1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. 2 00:00:04,919 --> 00:00:08,759 Today we're going to hear from another survivor of Glaine 3 00:00:08,839 --> 00:00:14,919 Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, and this survivor's name is Gretchen Rhodes. 4 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:20,800 Today's article is from I News and it's relatively lengthy, 5 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:24,640 so we're just going to dive right in headline, Glaine 6 00:00:24,719 --> 00:00:29,399 Maxwell survivor reveals for first time her abuse on Jeffrey 7 00:00:29,399 --> 00:00:33,520 Epstein's island and jet. Isn't that the jet that all 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:35,719 of his friends like to ride on? You know? Bill 9 00:00:35,719 --> 00:00:38,840 Clinton rode on it, Bill Gates, all of the Oh yeah, 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,479 that's right, that's the same jet. The author of this 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:48,920 article Rob Hastings. Gretchen Rhodes was a twenty four year 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,759 old massage therapist when Glaine Maxwell walked into her life 13 00:00:53,039 --> 00:00:56,359 and changed it forever. It was two thousand and one 14 00:00:56,679 --> 00:00:59,520 and Rhodes was working in a spa on the Caribbean 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,479 island of john when the socialite co conspirator General all 16 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:08,319 Around scuzbeg fellow child abuser and bipedal serpent entered the room, 17 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,560 spotted her, and made a beeline for her target. She 18 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:17,040 had a proposal clearly attracted by rhodes good looks, or 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,719 rather knowing they would appeal to her partner Jeffrey Epstein. 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,200 Maxwell wanted this young woman to work for her as 21 00:01:24,239 --> 00:01:28,560 a personal masseuse. And we've seen this how many times? 22 00:01:28,879 --> 00:01:32,200 This was them. Oh look, massage was critical to them. 23 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:35,280 It was a crucial function of everything that was going 24 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:39,239 on within the Epstein organization. And they would go out 25 00:01:39,239 --> 00:01:42,200 and recruit these massage therapists and they'd bring them in 26 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,079 under the guise of them being, you know, a massuse, 27 00:01:45,439 --> 00:01:48,159 but the reality is once they got on scene, the 28 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:54,439 abuse would begin. And it's also laughable that anyone would 29 00:01:54,519 --> 00:01:59,159 think that Virginia Roberts at sixteen, who is working not 30 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,439 as a messuse at the time, by the way, would 31 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,840 be recruited as a massus. If you have all the 32 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:07,640 money that Epstein and Maxwell has, why would you be 33 00:02:07,719 --> 00:02:11,680 recruiting a massus off the street or in a towel 34 00:02:11,759 --> 00:02:15,840 room when you could pay for top of the line 35 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:20,520 massage therapists from anywhere in the world. It doesn't make 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:26,919 any sense, unless, of course, you have other desires. Rhoades 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,400 felt uneasy and politely turned her down, but Maxwell handed 38 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,520 over her business card and returned to the salon several 39 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,120 times over the next few weeks. She was persistent, she 40 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,319 was intense, she was going to get what she wanted, 41 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,879 and she wanted Rhodes again. This is part of the grooming, right, 42 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,479 This is all part of the reason why Glene Maxwell 43 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,919 is in prison. Oh well, she was being tried for 44 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,479 Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. She's the one out here recruiting these girls. 45 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:57,319 She was the one who walked them directly into the 46 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:01,960 pit of the viper. So don't tell me she's being 47 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,960 held as some sort of scapegoat. That is so weak 48 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,719 when people say stuff like that, and it shows how 49 00:03:07,719 --> 00:03:13,520 little they understand about what truly went on here. The 50 00:03:13,599 --> 00:03:16,960 Kansas born aspiring singer who had trained in massaging to 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,680 pay her bills, eventually gave in and it was exciting. 52 00:03:21,719 --> 00:03:24,680 She admits to be picked up by boat and taken 53 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:27,879 on the fifteen minute voyage to Epstein's private island of 54 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:33,080 Little Saint James. Look, if you don't know what's going on, right, 55 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:36,319 say you're just some young massage therapist or young man 56 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,599 or woman whatever, and you have this opportunity to go 57 00:03:39,639 --> 00:03:42,879 and work with these super rich people and perhaps launch 58 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:46,680 your career into the stratosphere. That's a big deal. And 59 00:03:46,719 --> 00:03:48,120 I know a lot of you out there have been 60 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:50,719 in positions like that before. You've been on the cusp 61 00:03:50,759 --> 00:03:53,800 of breaking through in your industry. You get invited to 62 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,280 a party, maybe with colleagues, and boom, before you know it, 63 00:03:57,319 --> 00:04:01,000 you made some contacts and you're off and running. And 64 00:04:01,039 --> 00:04:03,159 a lot of these girls who were over here as 65 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:07,599 massage therapists and from broken homes, that was the original intent. 66 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,400 They thought they were going to have a better life 67 00:04:10,039 --> 00:04:13,360 because of the circumstance of meeting Maxwell or Epstein. But 68 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,079 the reality is it made their lives a lot worse. 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,160 Only now does Rhodes finally feel able to publicly disclose 70 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:26,600 the sexual abuse that followed. And again, this is one 71 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:28,879 of the unnamed girls we talk about all the time. 72 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,120 Now Miss Rhodes is coming out and bravely telling her 73 00:04:32,199 --> 00:04:36,120 story and adding her voice to the chorus of those 74 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,199 who have had enough. But how many other women like 75 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,360 Ms Rhodes are there out there? My guess is hundreds, folks, 76 00:04:44,519 --> 00:04:50,720 if not thousands. I'm a victim and they are predators, 77 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:53,560 she tells I, speaking on a video call from Italy. 78 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,079 They manipulated me, and they did all these things to 79 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,800 make me feel like this stuff was normal. It was 80 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:02,600 not normal, and it should not have ever happened. I 81 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:05,079 should never have been put in that position. I went 82 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,519 through something horrific. These people targeted me and that Look 83 00:05:09,639 --> 00:05:11,959 how many times have I told you that the whole 84 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,319 point is for them to try and normalize this behavior. 85 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,360 And when it's normalized, then it's a lot easier for 86 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,000 the girls that they're just bringing in to get groomed 87 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,879 and molded in the correct way. Because if everybody else 88 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,319 is doing it around you, you think, hell, this is 89 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,360 the way the rich people live. I gotta get on board. 90 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:35,279 How many of you would know the protocol if you 91 00:05:35,319 --> 00:05:37,680 were at some chooree in the Upper East Side of 92 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,439 New York Not many of us. First of all, I 93 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:42,839 wouldn't even be invited. I wouldn't get by the guards 94 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,439 because I'm showing up in a T shirt, probably a 95 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,879 Rancid T shirt, maybe a Bad Religion T shirt, a 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,319 pair of jeans, and some Chuck Taylor's That's how I'm 97 00:05:51,319 --> 00:05:53,680 showing up. So I'm not even getting through the front door. 98 00:05:57,079 --> 00:06:01,519 On Maxwell's sentencing last week for five counts of the 99 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,560 countless girls and young women she tricked and groomed into 100 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:09,040 becoming Epstein's victims. Rhoades says, in my eyes, honestly, twenty 101 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,040 years is being let off. That's nothing. I was really 102 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,800 upset about it. I was very angry. And look, every 103 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:18,480 single one of these women who were abused or going 104 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:21,199 to have their own emotions about this. They're not just 105 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,319 one giant, you know, one group. You could paint with 106 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:26,399 a broad brush and say, well, all of the survivors 107 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:28,639 feel one way or the other. That's not the case. 108 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:34,079 Everybody's a unique individual. Everybody experienced their own pain and suffering, 109 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,680 and everyone's going to look at the situation differently. But 110 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,519 I tend to agree with Ms Rhodes. Twenty years is 111 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,040 certainly not enough in my opinion, especially when you understand 112 00:06:44,079 --> 00:06:46,480 that she's going to be able to Scooch and Scotch. 113 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:54,360 Opening up more than two decades after first encountering the couple, 114 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,040 Rhodes is preparing for her life to change again. She 115 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:01,279 is among the survivors revealing what happened to them in 116 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,399 the new Channel four documentary series Gallainne Maxwell Making of 117 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:10,079 a Monster, which begins tomorrow night. I need to concentrate 118 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,240 on speaking out the documentary, being out doing interviews, and 119 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,000 then I can see what the next phase is. I 120 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,480 would love to be able to start a nonprofit for 121 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,000 all the people that go through this and don't have 122 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,399 a voice, she says. And I would think as a 123 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:29,879 survivor of this sort of horrible abuse, it would be 124 00:07:29,959 --> 00:07:33,480 very cathartic to do something like that, start a nonprofit 125 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,959 to help other people, help battered women, children, boys, whatever. 126 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,439 But trying to give back because you know what this 127 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,600 pain is like, right, you know what it is. And unfortunately, 128 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:47,800 if you're someone who has been abused, you're part of 129 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,000 a club nobody ever wants to be a part of. 130 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,920 But the reality is there's a lot of people who 131 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,439 have been abused, and there's a lot of people who 132 00:07:55,439 --> 00:08:01,920 are suffering trauma because of it. It's about empowering people 133 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,519 for the future. Even if I just helped one person 134 00:08:04,759 --> 00:08:07,519 to be able to have the confidence and the love 135 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:10,519 and the worth and the value for themselves to be 136 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,519 able to get themselves out of a really terrible situation. 137 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,600 If I bring that to just one person, then this 138 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:21,319 will have been worth everything. Look very brave. I don't 139 00:08:21,319 --> 00:08:23,199 know how many times I can say it. This is 140 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,279 some of the bravest shit you can do. Putting yourself 141 00:08:25,319 --> 00:08:28,120 on display for the whole entire world to dissect you 142 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,080 certainly not easy, and especially if you've suffered trauma, because 143 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:38,080 you're reliving it every time you talk about it. What 144 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:41,440 happened to Gretchen Rhodes. For the first three or four 145 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:44,279 months that Rhodes worked on Little Saint James, she was 146 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:48,679 solely asked to massage Maxwell. Once she was considered trustworthy 147 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,559 and ready, the British woman led her down to Epstein's 148 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,200 room and instructed that whatever happen next must remain confidential. 149 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,399 Epstein entered and laid down Maxwell's stripped take it to 150 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:04,120 change your clothes, while Rhodes tried not to look. And 151 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:07,720 then she was left alone with the millionaire in need 152 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,600 of a rubdown. You mean, the pedophile animal who was 153 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:13,559 in need of a rubdown, right. It still amazes me 154 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,360 that they call him, you know, the millionaire or the financier. 155 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:18,759 Bro was one of the sickest fucking dudes in the 156 00:09:18,799 --> 00:09:20,960 history of the world. Let's call him what he is. 157 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,799 What followed on this occasion was just a regular massage, 158 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:30,159 like so many others were While the situation on Little 159 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,639 Saint James was creepy, Rhodes was reassured that before I 160 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,840 started massaging Jeffrey, he had a sixty five year old 161 00:09:36,879 --> 00:09:40,559 dude massaging him, which made me feel very safe. Looking 162 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,639 at the harmless older man she was replacing, it was 163 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:48,159 hard to believe anything bad what happened to her. And again, look, 164 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,519 you gotta remember, we're looking at this as people who 165 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:53,840 have the knowledge of what happened, of who Epstein was, 166 00:09:53,879 --> 00:09:56,840 of who Maxwell was. These girls didn't know that. They 167 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,360 thought they were getting the opportunity of a lifetime, and 168 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:03,039 instead that opportunity was flipped on its head and turned 169 00:10:03,039 --> 00:10:09,519 into a life shattering situation. And what about Epstein himself? 170 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:14,240 What was he like? Oh my god, he was so engaging, 171 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:17,320 she tells me. He was enjoyable to be around, which 172 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:20,480 is so fucked sounding. When he wanted to talk, he 173 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,080 wanted to know everything about everything, everything about music because 174 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:27,679 he was a pianist. He wanted me to sing for him. 175 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,279 He wanted to know everything about my family. He wanted 176 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:33,399 to know about how I was living on a sailboat. 177 00:10:34,159 --> 00:10:37,120 Then he would talk about himself too, He would talk 178 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:39,639 about how much he loved his mother, how he had 179 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,120 bought her a bionic heart and it would probably last 180 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,519 for longer than her body. There was a big conversation 181 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,840 about mensa and being involved in all of these scientific 182 00:10:49,919 --> 00:10:55,039 foundations and projects. He was articulate and extremely smart. He 183 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,279 was good at making me feel like I wanted to 184 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:59,840 be around him, and that certainly was part of his charm. 185 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,000 The dude had some charm. There's no doubt as far 186 00:11:03,039 --> 00:11:06,240 as being smart, I find that laughable at best. But 187 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:10,159 the charming part, there's no doubt that he had some 188 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,080 charisma and that people wanted to hang out with him. 189 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:15,639 I don't know if that's, you know, just the money, 190 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,840 or if the dude actually had, you know, a bit 191 00:11:17,879 --> 00:11:20,759 of charm. I've never met the guy, but the fact 192 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:23,840 is everybody tells the same story. He was an engaging guy, 193 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:27,399 and most of these scumbags are right. They'll get you 194 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,159 to lower your guard. You'll got comfortable around them. Oh, 195 00:11:30,159 --> 00:11:32,399 it was just a nice old guy. Look, he loves 196 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,000 his mom, and before you know it, he's engaging in 197 00:11:35,039 --> 00:11:40,879 all kinds of abuse. She recognizes now how his energetic 198 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,159 charm contributed to a Stockholm syndrome kind of feel leading 199 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,799 her to stay working for the man who became her 200 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,720 abuser on this sordid island. For five years. She lived 201 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,879 on the island of Saint Thomas and would be picked 202 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,919 up whenever Maxwell and Epstein were staying on Little Saint 203 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,639 James in between their visits to Florida, New York, London, 204 00:12:01,879 --> 00:12:05,440 and wherever else their glamorous lives took them. Let's not 205 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,080 forget zoro Ranch. Guess what, I am never gonna stop 206 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,519 talking about Zoro Ranch. Sorry, It's just never gonna stop 207 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,559 until something happens about Zoro Ranch, until someone raids the place, 208 00:12:18,639 --> 00:12:22,919 until there's an actual investigation about what went down there. Sorry, 209 00:12:23,039 --> 00:12:27,240 I'm gonna keep talking about it, because what secrets does 210 00:12:27,399 --> 00:12:32,879 Zoro Ranch continue to hide? It was Epstein's interest in 211 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,639 Rhodes' dreams of singing for a living that led to 212 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,600 the first violation. With seemingly limitless connections, the financier Pedophile 213 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,440 offered the fly Roads to New York on his private 214 00:12:44,519 --> 00:12:48,480 jet dubbed the Lolita Express to meet with executives from 215 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:53,000 the music labels em I and Universal. Oh that's nice. 216 00:12:53,799 --> 00:12:57,799 Record execs being used as parts and pieces of Jeffrey 217 00:12:57,799 --> 00:13:01,080 Epstein's plots and schemes. You know what's so funny about that. 218 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:05,120 If your friend was engaging in a criminal conspiracy and 219 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:08,879 he got slapped with RICO, and you were setting up 220 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:11,519 meetings and being involved in business with them, you'd be 221 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,080 part of that RICO case. But if you're the head 222 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,960 of you know, EMI or Universal or anybody else who 223 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,080 has a little bit of a sway, forget it. That 224 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,080 doesn't that doesn't apply to you. And it's very transparent 225 00:13:25,159 --> 00:13:28,000 at this point that that's the reason RICO wasn't used. 226 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,120 They didn't want the wide ranging scope. They wanted it 227 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,840 to be narrow in scope so they can act like, hey, look, 228 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,840 we gave you guys a little bit of a victory here, 229 00:13:37,039 --> 00:13:39,759 let's move on. But the fact is this, that's not 230 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:42,399 going to happen. Sure, it's a good victory. It's nice 231 00:13:42,399 --> 00:13:45,759 to have Maxwell locked up forever or hopefully close to forever, 232 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,200 but it's not over. What about all these other scumbags. 233 00:13:51,159 --> 00:13:53,639 On the flight back with Maxwell and a group of 234 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,039 scientists among her fellow passengers, Rhodes was told to give 235 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:02,440 Epstein a massage. I had to massages nipples while he masturbated, 236 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,679 she reveals in the Channel four documentary, looking like she 237 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,240 can barely find it within herself to say the words. 238 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:13,440 I mean, for real, bro, you're on your plane and 239 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:16,919 you have to have this girl touch you while you 240 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,600 diddle your own nipples. It just shows you the sort 241 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,000 of sick duty is. You know, most people can hang 242 00:14:23,039 --> 00:14:25,440 on and wait till they get home, have their wife 243 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,919 or their girlfriend, you know, get down with whatever they 244 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,960 want to get down with. Like I said, whatever you 245 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:32,960 do in your bedroom with your wife, your husband, your girlfriend, 246 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:36,639 any consenting adult. I do not care if you want 247 00:14:36,639 --> 00:14:39,000 to rub your nipples and honey and run around the 248 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,519 house and call yourself Scott, go for it. Not my business. 249 00:14:43,879 --> 00:14:47,080 But when these sick bastards like Jeffrey Epstein pray on 250 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,320 these young girls and get do all this disgusting shit, 251 00:14:50,639 --> 00:14:53,159 it just goes to show you the sort of people 252 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:56,200 that they really were. And the fact that some people 253 00:14:56,279 --> 00:14:59,600 are still refusing to believe the scope of what went 254 00:14:59,639 --> 00:15:07,279 on here is just beyond me. Shocked at what was 255 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,360 going on, she asked herself, what the fuck is happening 256 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,480 right now? She tried to avert her eyes. I just 257 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:17,399 wasn't looking at his face. I was looking beyond him. 258 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:21,000 Trying to separate myself, take myself out of my body. 259 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,120 It was my payment payment from having been flown up 260 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:28,519 from New York and given these opportunities on such a 261 00:15:28,639 --> 00:15:32,720 high and then such a low. And it's the thousand 262 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:35,600 Yard Stare. How many people come home from war and 263 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,480 they have something called the thousand Yard Stare where they 264 00:15:38,559 --> 00:15:41,279 just basically stare through people. And a lot of that 265 00:15:41,399 --> 00:15:44,440 has to do with, you know, trauma that was suffered 266 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,480 while in the war, and it's no different here. When 267 00:15:47,519 --> 00:15:50,559 you suffer this kind of trauma, there is no doubt 268 00:15:50,799 --> 00:15:53,279 the gigantic toll it's going to take on you for 269 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:58,120 the rest of your life. And unfortunately we're seeing that 270 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:02,200 with Gretchen here with miss Votes, she is certainly certainly 271 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,120 gonna feel this for the rest of her life and 272 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,159 have to deal with these emotions and feelings. And it's 273 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:13,440 all because Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell were allowed to continue. 274 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:18,320 They're spree of crime, disgusting, this human trafficking, rape and 275 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,320 the rest of it right under the noses of the 276 00:16:21,399 --> 00:16:24,559 SDN Y. You know, the same jerkofs who get on 277 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:27,879 the Twitter all the time or on the TV and 278 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,159 start running their mouths about this, that or the other 279 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,440 thing when they let one of the most prolific human 280 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,480 trafficking rings of all time just run rampant in their district. 281 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,639 So when I bag on the SDN Y, that's why 282 00:16:42,679 --> 00:16:46,159 I do it. This stuff was happening right under their eyes, 283 00:16:46,279 --> 00:16:48,759 right under their noses, and they didn't do a thing 284 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,399 about it. All right, folks, that's gonna end episode one, 285 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:59,639 Part one for this two part story. Part two is 286 00:16:59,639 --> 00:17:02,519 certainly on its way. If you'd like to contact me, 287 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:06,000 you can do that at Bobby Kapuci at ProtonMail dot com. 288 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:12,000 That's bo bb Y c apu Cci at ProtonMail dot com. 289 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,519 You can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Underscore 290 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:20,519 c ap use Cci. The link that I discussed can 291 00:17:20,559 --> 00:17:23,839 be found in the description box. All right, folks, Like 292 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:28,039 I said, part two on its way. What's up everyone, 293 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:32,480 and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick 294 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:35,359 right up where we left off talking about what happened 295 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,119 to Gretchen Rhodes at the hands of Glen Maxwell and 296 00:17:39,279 --> 00:17:45,400 Jeffrey Epstein. Always I would feel horrible after Jeffrey Epstein 297 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,240 had carried out such a disgusting exploitation of an employee. 298 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,200 This jeckl and hyed Man would revert to the warm 299 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,200 and kind person he had been before. Rhoades chooses not 300 00:17:56,279 --> 00:18:00,000 to describe any more specific incidents on camera and tells 301 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:05,319 and tells, I totally understandably that I'm not super into 302 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:08,640 talking about that, but she makes clear that this wasn't 303 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,200 the only incident. It definitely happened more than that time. 304 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,440 So look, nobody can force anybody to talk about things 305 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,920 that are traumatizing to them. Whenever these women are ready 306 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,680 to come out and talk about their story or what 307 00:18:23,799 --> 00:18:26,000 happened to them at the hands of Epstein, then they'll 308 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,680 do so. And if they never decide to tell their story, 309 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:34,079 that is certainly their prerogative as well. I can't imagine 310 00:18:34,079 --> 00:18:38,160 going through my life with this hanging over my head. 311 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,359 Further abuses were sporadic, she explains. It was the normality 312 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,039 of his behavior the rest of the time, normal for 313 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,079 any rich businessman staying on his own paradise island at least, 314 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,359 that made the situation such a mind fuck, said Rhodes. 315 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,000 She apologizes for swearing like a pirate, but it is 316 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:01,519 the only way she can get across what she was 317 00:19:01,519 --> 00:19:05,880 subjected to, Oh, that's right, you know, swearing like a pirate, 318 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,680 cursing like a pirate. That's right in my wheelhouse. I 319 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,319 have to really control myself on the podcast. I try 320 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,680 not to curse too much here because I know that 321 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,640 you know a wide variety of people who listen, people 322 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,240 who are you know, religious or so I try to 323 00:19:19,279 --> 00:19:22,279 respect that. But every now and then I can't help it. 324 00:19:22,319 --> 00:19:24,480 And you have to remember, at least for me, your 325 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,759 boy speaks New York Italian. That means every other word 326 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,599 basically is an F bomb in my real life, so 327 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:35,519 I understand completely miss roads. Normally it was such a 328 00:19:35,599 --> 00:19:38,200 run of the mill massage, and then every once in 329 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,839 a while it would happen. Always I would feel horrible 330 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,680 in the scope of how many times I massaged him. 331 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,160 It wasn't that many times, but also none of it 332 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,799 was okay. One time is too many. This dude touching 333 00:19:51,839 --> 00:19:56,319 you one time, fondling you one time, rubbing you, groping you, 334 00:19:56,400 --> 00:20:03,000 whatever it is, one time is way too many. Prince 335 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:05,599 Andrew is believed to have visited Little Saint James in 336 00:20:05,599 --> 00:20:09,319 February of nineteen ninety nine. According to flight logs. He 337 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,000 is thought to have flown there once more on Good 338 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:15,440 Friday two thousand and one and stayed for forty eight hours. 339 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,039 This was weeks after the infamous photo of him with 340 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,839 Maxwell and Virginia Roberts, who accuses the Royal of sexually 341 00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:25,759 assaulting her three times, is thought to have been taken. 342 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,519 Roberts has claimed that later in two thousand and one, 343 00:20:29,799 --> 00:20:32,240 she had to take part in an open air orgy 344 00:20:32,279 --> 00:20:34,839 on the island with the Prince, involving up to eight 345 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,839 other teenage girls, though she has given conflicting accounts of this. 346 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,319 In March, she settled a civil lawsuit with Andrew, who 347 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,160 was always denied wrongdoing. Oh yeah, well, of course, he has. 348 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,160 Rhodes was never asked to massage celebrity guests and does 349 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,200 not believe her time on the island coincided with any 350 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,599 of Prince Andrew's visits. But it was very much as 351 00:20:58,599 --> 00:21:01,920 speak when spoken to situation over there, she says, so 352 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,480 it was hard to know what others were going through. 353 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:08,400 Epstein and Maxwell managed to create an environment where nobody 354 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,119 felt able to confront themselves with what was happening, let 355 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,119 alone tell others. So they fomented an environment where the 356 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,880 girls weren't really to interact with one another. It was 357 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,880 you're here to do a job, not hang out with 358 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,960 your friends and socialize. That was what you know. Maxwell 359 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,799 and Epstein were running on these girls. There were always 360 00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:32,599 different groups of girls. He would have different people that 361 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,920 would stay with them. One of them could have caught 362 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,440 me on my way back to the kitchen or before 363 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,559 I was taken back to the other island where I live, 364 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,160 and been like, we have to tell we have to 365 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,559 tell somebody, you have to help me or get me 366 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,839 off of here. But there was none of that. Everybody 367 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,519 was always laughing and joking and and having wonderful dinners 368 00:21:51,559 --> 00:21:54,240 and bouncing up and down on the little trampoline that 369 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,640 was out in the cove. No one was ever like, 370 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,279 oh my god, get me out of here. I'm sure 371 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:02,319 there were things that were happening, one hundred percent, but 372 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,200 no one ever acted like they were in distress. Ever. 373 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:08,960 But did I I didn't either. I was just full 374 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,920 of shame. So maybe these people were full of shame 375 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,720 and embarrassed as well and didn't want to admit what 376 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:17,799 was happening to them. I can only assume. Well for me, 377 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,519 and again, this is just my opinion the outside view. 378 00:22:22,279 --> 00:22:24,359 A lot of it has to do with it being normalized. 379 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,000 If everybody else is doing it around you, then it's 380 00:22:27,039 --> 00:22:31,200 just normal behavior. When all of your friends are heroin addicts, 381 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,359 then it's not out of the norm to walk into 382 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:37,799 a room and see people pop in mainline, just like 383 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,720 it's not out of the norm if you're on the 384 00:22:39,759 --> 00:22:43,839 island with a pedophile and a sick women abuser to 385 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,480 have a bunch of women around who might look like 386 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:51,599 they're not in distress because in their minds they might 387 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,279 not be. It was all part of it, you see. 388 00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,200 This wasn't just girls that were brought in for one 389 00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:58,880 day or two days. These girls were groomed over a 390 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,200 period of time, and they were groomed not only to 391 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:08,240 the sexual abuse, but to the normal sea of it. 392 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,519 It was only years after she left the island that 393 00:23:10,599 --> 00:23:13,880 Rhodes learnt the terrible truth of what others had to endure. 394 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,559 Sarah Ransom, who gave a survivor impact statement at Maxwell's 395 00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:21,680 sentencing in New York last week, told Sky News before 396 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,559 the hearing, I have spent the last seventeen years in 397 00:23:24,599 --> 00:23:28,319 my own prison for what she Jeffrey and all the 398 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,079 co conspirators did to me. I was raped repetialy. I 399 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,119 was raped three times a day sometimes. And I was 400 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:37,319 not the only girl on that island. There was a 401 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,039 constant stream of girls being raped over and over again 402 00:23:41,559 --> 00:23:44,599 and again. That locks right into what we were just said, 403 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,599 that's what they do. Once it's normalized, then they can 404 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,359 do whatever they want because it doesn't seem weird or 405 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:58,599 out of the box. Right. Escape from Little Saint James. Somehow, 406 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:01,839 Roads lasted five years working on the island, which Ransom 407 00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:05,599 has described as a dungeon of sexual hell. It was 408 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,880 meeting the man who would become her husband on a 409 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,759 flight in Europe that led her to finally breaking free. 410 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,440 In two thousand and six, she moved thousands of miles 411 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,599 away to the Hawaiian island of Maui. Now, if you're 412 00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:19,680 gonna go and heal somewhere, and you got to go 413 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,440 and get your mind right, I can think of a 414 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,039 lot worse places to go than Maui. And you see 415 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:30,240 the comparison here with Virginia. Virginia met a good guy, Robert, 416 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,079 and he helped her. And Miss Rhodes she met a 417 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:37,759 good man and he helped her as well. The moral 418 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:39,839 of the story there is, well, not all men are 419 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,799 pieces of shit right. By then, an investigation into Epstein 420 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:48,079 was finally under way. In two thousand and eight, he 421 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,319 pleaded guilty to soliciting a fourteen year old girl who 422 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,559 he had molested in Palm Beach. His sentence was just 423 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,000 eighteen months, of which he served thirteen, and he was 424 00:24:58,039 --> 00:25:00,920 allowed to travel to his office on work release for 425 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:05,680 twelve hours a day, six days a week. Must be nice, huh, 426 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:08,599 next time you get in trouble. Hopefully you don't, but 427 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,839 next time you do, if you do, just tell the 428 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,279 judge I'm looking for the Jeffrey Epstein plans, Sir. I'd 429 00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:17,000 like to just I'd like to be sentenced to eighteen months, 430 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,880 but I'll only serve thirteen of those. But I get 431 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,559 to do work release six days a week. And let's 432 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,720 see what the judge has to say to you. In 433 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:28,599 many ways, life has been good to Road since leaving 434 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,640 the Caribbean. She and her husband have a daughter. She 435 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,599 had dreamed her She achieved her dream of singing for 436 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,799 a living, performing blues and rock in a local band 437 00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:41,279 with Mick Fleetwood, the co founder and drummer of Fleetwood 438 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,839 mag and she did her best to compartmentalize what had 439 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,680 happened with Maxwell and Epstein. That's what a lot of 440 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,640 people do with trauma. You compartmentalize it, right, You try 441 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,000 and bury it so it doesn't ever come back and 442 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:58,880 rear its ugly head. If I really scratched the surface 443 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,160 and I went into it, there were always going to 444 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,400 be huge amounts of shame and embarrassment, she says. But 445 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,759 pushing forward in her music career also meant empowering myself 446 00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:13,039 by not ever letting anybody fuck with me again. I'm 447 00:26:13,079 --> 00:26:14,759 taking the reins of what I want to do with 448 00:26:14,799 --> 00:26:18,240 my life. No one's handing it to me, and for 449 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,640 my money, that's the best way to do it. You 450 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,720 have to go out and take whatever you want. You 451 00:26:23,759 --> 00:26:25,559 have to go and do it. And let me tell 452 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:29,240 you something, folks, all right, you gotta believe in yourself 453 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:35,759 and you better not back down ever, because if you 454 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:39,279 don't believe in yourself, nobody's ever going to believe in you. 455 00:26:40,759 --> 00:26:42,839 And you can talk the talk all you want, but 456 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:48,079 you better damn well walk the walk. Unbeknownst to Rhodes, however, 457 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:51,519 her name had been listed in Epstein's contacts. I can't 458 00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:53,359 get away from it because my name is in that 459 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,519 black book, she says. And speaking of the black book, 460 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,240 you know everybody wants names and the list and all 461 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,599 of that. Folks dig into that black book. Take a 462 00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:06,559 look at those names. People weren't in that black book 463 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,160 just because that wasn't like when you were growing up. 464 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:12,200 If you were growing up in the eighties and the nineties, Yeah, 465 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,759 you know your little black book of phone numbers, all 466 00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:16,680 the girls that you met during the weekend when you 467 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,720 were hanging out on the strip with your boys or 468 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,079 up it went and wild. It's not the same kind 469 00:27:21,079 --> 00:27:23,960 of black book, folks. So all of those names in there. 470 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,880 If your name is in that black book, now, it 471 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,640 doesn't automatically mean that you were engaged in something fed up. 472 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,839 But I'll tell you this much. You got my attention 473 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:40,519 and you should be looked at. Reporters attained this and 474 00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,759 she was eight months pregnant when a journalist first contacted her. 475 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,599 He kept calling and calling and calling, saying, I'm here 476 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,160 on Maui and I came to your house, she says. 477 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,000 Her husband, who knew Roads had worked for Epstein but 478 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,400 did not know he had abused her, warned the reporter away, 479 00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,039 but then she was contacted by a Britainish journalist who 480 00:28:01,079 --> 00:28:04,640 was very understanding and explained she had been included in 481 00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,000 Epstein's address book. You know, the thing is, these jerk 482 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:11,319 off reporters, this isn't your story where you go and 483 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,960 kick in someone's door, bro, and you go and harass 484 00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:17,839 people at their home. These girls suffered severe trauma. They 485 00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:21,319 don't need some jerk off from some ragass publications showing 486 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,759 up at their house. And it's like the people who 487 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:28,240 tag these girls in everything they do on Twitter so weird. 488 00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:30,720 Leave them alone, Go live your life, let them live 489 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:36,880 their life. In twenty fifteen, a redacted version of the 490 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,759 book was leaked online and Rhodes began being contacted more often. 491 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:44,599 I've had journalists calling me constantly trying to get information. 492 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:48,240 Because I hadn't spoken out to anybody. I was always deflecting, 493 00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:52,839 she says. A writer Leland Nahley tells Channel four how 494 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,759 we investigated Epstein by calling every number in his infamous 495 00:28:56,799 --> 00:29:00,400 black book. One former friend of Epstein told Nolly how 496 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,000 the hedge fund manager would interrupt ordinary conversations by asking, 497 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:06,920 what has that got to do with the P word? 498 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,720 He added that was his favorite expression. Now Leland Knolly 499 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,640 is the author from Mother Jones, the journalist who called 500 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,799 every name in the Black Book. You can find that 501 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,440 in the catalog as well. Just type into the search 502 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,279 function Black Book and it'll pop right up. But I 503 00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:28,400 did several different articles about that, saying that Epstein must 504 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:33,079 have suffered from satriasis, the male equivalent of niphomania. The 505 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,960 former friend added, probably a lot of men have that 506 00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,559 for all I know, except very few of them have 507 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,319 the money to treat themselves to sex three times a 508 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,319 day with young girls. He made an industry out of it. 509 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,240 Jeffrey was a very, very sick man. Yeah, no shit, 510 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:57,200 no shit. Confronting her past. By twenty nineteen, the only 511 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,440 person Rhodes had ever spoken to about her experience lliances 512 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:03,920 was her best friend when Epstein was arrested in July 513 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,720 that year and killed himself in his prison cell a 514 00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:10,440 month later. Allegedly, more and more allegations were still coming 515 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,319 to light. Though she worries it sounds horrible, Rhodes felt 516 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:16,799 a bit of relief in that, Okay, I'm not the 517 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:21,160 only person. The unavoidable media coverage made her secrecy about 518 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,559 what happened impossible to sustain while around her family. However, 519 00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,440 that must be difficult. You have all of this media 520 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,200 attention blowing up on Epstein and all of these people 521 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,559 who have been abused by them, and you have also 522 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,119 been abused by them, but you don't want to come forward. 523 00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:40,319 You know you're still repressing it. But finally it gets 524 00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,000 to a point where you know you can't do that anymore. 525 00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:47,759 And courageously, Miss Rhodes came out and she told her family. 526 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,400 It was on the news constantly. She recalls my dad. 527 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,440 He's passed since then, but he had Parkinson's and he 528 00:30:55,519 --> 00:30:57,920 had the news on all the time. It was the 529 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,119 only thing he could do. There was this constant listening 530 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,359 to this and that about him, about her all the time. 531 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,440 We were there for my mother's birthday, the whole family 532 00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:10,200 was there. At a certain point, I was like, I 533 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,720 can't keep burying my head in the sand. I can't 534 00:31:12,759 --> 00:31:16,279 keep hearing all these things without dealing with it. It 535 00:31:16,319 --> 00:31:19,640 was literally starting to make me feel sick. Every single 536 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,039 cell in my body was screaming, just face this so 537 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,440 that we can, so that we can have some relief. 538 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,599 And I can't. Again, I can't Imagine what it must 539 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,480 be like to have this kind of secret where you 540 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:32,759 can't even tell the people you love the most, The 541 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,440 people you know will not judge you, the people that 542 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,799 you know are there for you, but you can't tell 543 00:31:37,839 --> 00:31:40,880 them because you just can't find it within yourself to 544 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,599 do so. When the Netflix documentary Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich 545 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,960 was released in May twenty twenty, Rhodes decided to watch 546 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,359 the first episode. Then I watched all of them. I 547 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,759 read and watched everything that I could possibly get my 548 00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:58,039 hands on at that point, and then I had a 549 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:01,279 huge cry. We had a fan dinner. I put my 550 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,079 daughter to sleep, I fell asleep with her, and then 551 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,880 when I woke up, I saw my sister and my 552 00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,279 brother were still awake, and I told them. I told 553 00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,480 my husband two weeks after that. Now, think about that. 554 00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:17,119 Think about your loved one, your you know, husband, wife, 555 00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:21,640 whatever it is, whoever your person is. Imagine not being 556 00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,960 able to tell them such a secret like this the 557 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:29,119 shame and you shouldn't have that shame. But it's just 558 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,240 the way it works, right. You feel like you're less then, 559 00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,920 so you don't want to, you know, express your secrets 560 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,720 to people you don't want to talk about what happened. 561 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,759 And then she finally tells her her brother and sister, 562 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,599 and it still takes two weeks after that to tell 563 00:32:44,599 --> 00:32:48,119 her husband. That just shows you the trauma right there alone. 564 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,880 What let her to go public was an email from 565 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,279 Kathy Haywood, the series producer of Channel four. Is Glaine 566 00:32:56,359 --> 00:33:00,440 Maxwell making of a monster It felt different, It felt 567 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,920 like it wasn't pushing, pushing, pushing. She also wanted to 568 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,640 explain how it was because of Glenn Maxwell that I 569 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,559 was abused by Jeffrey. This person is a sociopath, a narcissist, 570 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:14,759 she says, of Maxwell, I don't think she even recognizes 571 00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,599 the fact that she's the cause of all these victims, 572 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,839 these people that have gone through these horrible, horrible things 573 00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:24,319 in their lives. Yeah, it's because of him, one hundred percent, 574 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,319 but it's also because of her. I don't see any 575 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:29,720 kind of remorse that she played any part in it. 576 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,160 That's insane. That is one hundred percent correct, No remorse, 577 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,240 But what do you expect from a bipedal serpent? She 578 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,720 might not even be a human being, right, I don't 579 00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,079 even know if she's human at this point. Now I'm 580 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,440 obviously just kidding. I'm not one of these people who 581 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,480 believes in all that other you know, lizard people and 582 00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:49,759 all the rest of it. But I mean, how can 583 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:52,519 you be a human, a real human, and conduct yourself 584 00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:58,279 the way Maxwell did? Living in Italy with her husband's family, 585 00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:01,720 for now, Rhodes is continuing to sing and write music, 586 00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:05,359 but she is also teaching music classes. Well, I'll tell 587 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,839 you what, Pretty sure nobody's going to f with her 588 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:11,079 if her family's in Italy. Pretty sure her husband, if 589 00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:14,039 he grew up in Italy, ah might know a crooked 590 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:17,480 noser too. That would make sure no bs would happen. 591 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,400 It's more about using the strength of one's voice. I 592 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,159 started with a woman's group and it's evolved now into 593 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,920 kindergarteners and first grader. She explains. It's about being strong 594 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,960 in yourself and if you don't like something that's happening, 595 00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,639 if your friend is being mean, stick up for yourself. 596 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,320 Little things like that there, Look, don't back down, folks, 597 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,840 do not back down. Don't back down to bullies, don't 598 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,599 back down to big mouths, don't give ground, stand up 599 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:54,920 for yourself. It's very important to do that. I developed 600 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,199 this mantra from thinking about what I would have liked 601 00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,480 to hear in my own head as I was going 602 00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:03,039 through this experience with these people Epstein and Maxwell. We 603 00:35:03,079 --> 00:35:05,840 say it three times. We begin class with it, we 604 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,960 end class with it. I'm good enough, I'm worthy, I'm confident, 605 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:12,880 and I love myself. Hey, you know what, there's nothing 606 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,199 wrong with some self affirmation, hopping in the mirror and 607 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,559 letting yourself know what the deal is. Look at Alexander Volkanovsky, 608 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,280 champ for the UFC. He was giving himself self affirmation 609 00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:26,960 while he was in the ring a few seconds before 610 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,400 he was getting ready to fight. I'm the greatest, I'm 611 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,159 the best, I'm the champ. That shit works. Psyching yourself 612 00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:35,639 out works. I know it sounds like it doesn't, but 613 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,480 it does. So there's nothing wrong with, you know, giving 614 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,679 yourself a little bit of love. Folks, try it out. 615 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,320 Because we sure can be hard on ourselves, can't we. 616 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,880 So every now and then we have to do the 617 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,320 reverse and give ourselves a little bit of a pat 618 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,360 on the back, and self affirmation certainly is a good 619 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,320 way to get there. Now for the story, it's brave 620 00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,679 that Miss Rhodes finally came out and she felt comfortable 621 00:35:59,679 --> 00:36:02,800 talking about what happened and I had I've said it 622 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,239 before and I'll say it again. We're gonna see plenty 623 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,559 more people like Miss Rhodes come out in the future because, folks, 624 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,159 what happened here didn't happen in just a ten year period. 625 00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:17,880 It didn't just happen in one place. It happened for decades, 626 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,480 and it spanned continents. So all of the other people 627 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,039 who were involved, I'd be sleeping with one eye open 628 00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:31,800 because this is far from over all. Right, folks, that 629 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,840 is going to do it. If you'd like to contact me, 630 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,519 you can do that at Bobby Kopuci at ProtonMail dot com. 631 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:42,480 That's bo b b y c A p u Cci 632 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,840 at ProtonMail dot com. 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