Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
Today we're going to hear from another survivor of Glaine
Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein, and this survivor's name is Gretchen Rhodes.
Today's article is from I News and it's relatively lengthy,
so we're just going to dive right in headline, Glaine
Maxwell survivor reveals for first time her abuse on Jeffrey
Epstein's island and jet. Isn't that the jet that all
of his friends like to ride on? You know? Bill
Clinton rode on it, Bill Gates, all of the Oh yeah,
that's right, that's the same jet. The author of this
article Rob Hastings. Gretchen Rhodes was a twenty four year
old massage therapist when Glaine Maxwell walked into her life
and changed it forever. It was two thousand and one
and Rhodes was working in a spa on the Caribbean
island of john when the socialite co conspirator General all
Around scuzbeg fellow child abuser and bipedal serpent entered the room,
spotted her, and made a beeline for her target. She
had a proposal clearly attracted by rhodes good looks, or
rather knowing they would appeal to her partner Jeffrey Epstein.
Maxwell wanted this young woman to work for her as
a personal masseuse. And we've seen this how many times?
This was them. Oh look, massage was critical to them.
It was a crucial function of everything that was going
on within the Epstein organization. And they would go out
and recruit these massage therapists and they'd bring them in
under the guise of them being, you know, a massuse,
but the reality is once they got on scene, the
abuse would begin. And it's also laughable that anyone would
think that Virginia Roberts at sixteen, who is working not
as a messuse at the time, by the way, would
be recruited as a massus. If you have all the
money that Epstein and Maxwell has, why would you be
recruiting a massus off the street or in a towel
room when you could pay for top of the line
massage therapists from anywhere in the world. It doesn't make
any sense, unless, of course, you have other desires. Rhoades
felt uneasy and politely turned her down, but Maxwell handed
over her business card and returned to the salon several
times over the next few weeks. She was persistent, she
was intense, she was going to get what she wanted,
and she wanted Rhodes again. This is part of the grooming, right,
This is all part of the reason why Glene Maxwell
is in prison. Oh well, she was being tried for
Jeffrey Epstein's crimes. She's the one out here recruiting these girls.
She was the one who walked them directly into the
pit of the viper. So don't tell me she's being
held as some sort of scapegoat. That is so weak
when people say stuff like that, and it shows how
little they understand about what truly went on here. The
Kansas born aspiring singer who had trained in massaging to
pay her bills, eventually gave in and it was exciting.
She admits to be picked up by boat and taken
on the fifteen minute voyage to Epstein's private island of
Little Saint James. Look, if you don't know what's going on, right,
say you're just some young massage therapist or young man
or woman whatever, and you have this opportunity to go
and work with these super rich people and perhaps launch
your career into the stratosphere. That's a big deal. And
I know a lot of you out there have been
in positions like that before. You've been on the cusp
of breaking through in your industry. You get invited to
a party, maybe with colleagues, and boom, before you know it,
you made some contacts and you're off and running. And
a lot of these girls who were over here as
massage therapists and from broken homes, that was the original intent.
They thought they were going to have a better life
because of the circumstance of meeting Maxwell or Epstein. But
the reality is it made their lives a lot worse.
Only now does Rhodes finally feel able to publicly disclose
the sexual abuse that followed. And again, this is one
of the unnamed girls we talk about all the time.
Now Miss Rhodes is coming out and bravely telling her
story and adding her voice to the chorus of those
who have had enough. But how many other women like
Ms Rhodes are there out there? My guess is hundreds, folks,
if not thousands. I'm a victim and they are predators,
she tells I, speaking on a video call from Italy.
They manipulated me, and they did all these things to
make me feel like this stuff was normal. It was
not normal, and it should not have ever happened. I
should never have been put in that position. I went
through something horrific. These people targeted me and that Look
how many times have I told you that the whole
point is for them to try and normalize this behavior.
And when it's normalized, then it's a lot easier for
the girls that they're just bringing in to get groomed
and molded in the correct way. Because if everybody else
is doing it around you, you think, hell, this is
the way the rich people live. I gotta get on board.
How many of you would know the protocol if you
were at some chooree in the Upper East Side of
New York Not many of us. First of all, I
wouldn't even be invited. I wouldn't get by the guards
because I'm showing up in a T shirt, probably a
Rancid T shirt, maybe a Bad Religion T shirt, a
pair of jeans, and some Chuck Taylor's That's how I'm
showing up. So I'm not even getting through the front door.
On Maxwell's sentencing last week for five counts of the
countless girls and young women she tricked and groomed into
becoming Epstein's victims. Rhoades says, in my eyes, honestly, twenty
years is being let off. That's nothing. I was really
upset about it. I was very angry. And look, every
single one of these women who were abused or going
to have their own emotions about this. They're not just
one giant, you know, one group. You could paint with
a broad brush and say, well, all of the survivors
feel one way or the other. That's not the case.
Everybody's a unique individual. Everybody experienced their own pain and suffering,
and everyone's going to look at the situation differently. But
I tend to agree with Ms Rhodes. Twenty years is
certainly not enough in my opinion, especially when you understand
that she's going to be able to Scooch and Scotch.
Opening up more than two decades after first encountering the couple,
Rhodes is preparing for her life to change again. She
is among the survivors revealing what happened to them in
the new Channel four documentary series Gallainne Maxwell Making of
a Monster, which begins tomorrow night. I need to concentrate
on speaking out the documentary, being out doing interviews, and
then I can see what the next phase is. I
would love to be able to start a nonprofit for
all the people that go through this and don't have
a voice, she says. And I would think as a
survivor of this sort of horrible abuse, it would be
very cathartic to do something like that, start a nonprofit
to help other people, help battered women, children, boys, whatever.
But trying to give back because you know what this
pain is like, right, you know what it is. And unfortunately,
if you're someone who has been abused, you're part of
a club nobody ever wants to be a part of.
But the reality is there's a lot of people who
have been abused, and there's a lot of people who
are suffering trauma because of it. It's about empowering people
for the future. Even if I just helped one person
to be able to have the confidence and the love
and the worth and the value for themselves to be
able to get themselves out of a really terrible situation.
If I bring that to just one person, then this
will have been worth everything. Look very brave. I don't
know how many times I can say it. This is
some of the bravest shit you can do. Putting yourself
on display for the whole entire world to dissect you
certainly not easy, and especially if you've suffered trauma, because
you're reliving it every time you talk about it. What
happened to Gretchen Rhodes. For the first three or four
months that Rhodes worked on Little Saint James, she was
solely asked to massage Maxwell. Once she was considered trustworthy
and ready, the British woman led her down to Epstein's
room and instructed that whatever happen next must remain confidential.
Epstein entered and laid down Maxwell's stripped take it to
change your clothes, while Rhodes tried not to look. And
then she was left alone with the millionaire in need
of a rubdown. You mean, the pedophile animal who was
in need of a rubdown, right. It still amazes me
that they call him, you know, the millionaire or the financier.
Bro was one of the sickest fucking dudes in the
history of the world. Let's call him what he is.
What followed on this occasion was just a regular massage,
like so many others were While the situation on Little
Saint James was creepy, Rhodes was reassured that before I
started massaging Jeffrey, he had a sixty five year old
dude massaging him, which made me feel very safe. Looking
at the harmless older man she was replacing, it was
hard to believe anything bad what happened to her. And again, look,
you gotta remember, we're looking at this as people who
have the knowledge of what happened, of who Epstein was,
of who Maxwell was. These girls didn't know that. They
thought they were getting the opportunity of a lifetime, and
instead that opportunity was flipped on its head and turned
into a life shattering situation. And what about Epstein himself?
What was he like? Oh my god, he was so engaging,
she tells me. He was enjoyable to be around, which
is so fucked sounding. When he wanted to talk, he
wanted to know everything about everything, everything about music because
he was a pianist. He wanted me to sing for him.
He wanted to know everything about my family. He wanted
to know about how I was living on a sailboat.
Then he would talk about himself too, He would talk
about how much he loved his mother, how he had
bought her a bionic heart and it would probably last
for longer than her body. There was a big conversation
about mensa and being involved in all of these scientific
foundations and projects. He was articulate and extremely smart. He
was good at making me feel like I wanted to
be around him, and that certainly was part of his charm.
The dude had some charm. There's no doubt as far
as being smart, I find that laughable at best. But
the charming part, there's no doubt that he had some
charisma and that people wanted to hang out with him.
I don't know if that's, you know, just the money,
or if the dude actually had, you know, a bit
of charm. I've never met the guy, but the fact
is everybody tells the same story. He was an engaging guy,
and most of these scumbags are right. They'll get you
to lower your guard. You'll got comfortable around them. Oh,
it was just a nice old guy. Look, he loves
his mom, and before you know it, he's engaging in
all kinds of abuse. She recognizes now how his energetic
charm contributed to a Stockholm syndrome kind of feel leading
her to stay working for the man who became her
abuser on this sordid island. For five years. She lived
on the island of Saint Thomas and would be picked
up whenever Maxwell and Epstein were staying on Little Saint
James in between their visits to Florida, New York, London,
and wherever else their glamorous lives took them. Let's not
forget zoro Ranch. Guess what, I am never gonna stop
talking about Zoro Ranch. Sorry, It's just never gonna stop
until something happens about Zoro Ranch, until someone raids the place,
until there's an actual investigation about what went down there. Sorry,
I'm gonna keep talking about it, because what secrets does
Zoro Ranch continue to hide? It was Epstein's interest in
Rhodes' dreams of singing for a living that led to
the first violation. With seemingly limitless connections, the financier Pedophile
offered the fly Roads to New York on his private
jet dubbed the Lolita Express to meet with executives from
the music labels em I and Universal. Oh that's nice.
Record execs being used as parts and pieces of Jeffrey
Epstein's plots and schemes. You know what's so funny about that.
If your friend was engaging in a criminal conspiracy and
he got slapped with RICO, and you were setting up
meetings and being involved in business with them, you'd be
part of that RICO case. But if you're the head
of you know, EMI or Universal or anybody else who
has a little bit of a sway, forget it. That
doesn't that doesn't apply to you. And it's very transparent
at this point that that's the reason RICO wasn't used.
They didn't want the wide ranging scope. They wanted it
to be narrow in scope so they can act like, hey, look,
we gave you guys a little bit of a victory here,
let's move on. But the fact is this, that's not
going to happen. Sure, it's a good victory. It's nice
to have Maxwell locked up forever or hopefully close to forever,
but it's not over. What about all these other scumbags.
On the flight back with Maxwell and a group of
scientists among her fellow passengers, Rhodes was told to give
Epstein a massage. I had to massages nipples while he masturbated,
she reveals in the Channel four documentary, looking like she
can barely find it within herself to say the words.
I mean, for real, bro, you're on your plane and
you have to have this girl touch you while you
diddle your own nipples. It just shows you the sort
of sick duty is. You know, most people can hang
on and wait till they get home, have their wife
or their girlfriend, you know, get down with whatever they
want to get down with. Like I said, whatever you
do in your bedroom with your wife, your husband, your girlfriend,
any consenting adult. I do not care if you want
to rub your nipples and honey and run around the
house and call yourself Scott, go for it. Not my business.
But when these sick bastards like Jeffrey Epstein pray on
these young girls and get do all this disgusting shit,
it just goes to show you the sort of people
that they really were. And the fact that some people
are still refusing to believe the scope of what went
on here is just beyond me. Shocked at what was
going on, she asked herself, what the fuck is happening
right now? She tried to avert her eyes. I just
wasn't looking at his face. I was looking beyond him.
Trying to separate myself, take myself out of my body.
It was my payment payment from having been flown up
from New York and given these opportunities on such a
high and then such a low. And it's the thousand
Yard Stare. How many people come home from war and
they have something called the thousand Yard Stare where they
just basically stare through people. And a lot of that
has to do with, you know, trauma that was suffered
while in the war, and it's no different here. When
you suffer this kind of trauma, there is no doubt
the gigantic toll it's going to take on you for
the rest of your life. And unfortunately we're seeing that
with Gretchen here with miss Votes, she is certainly certainly
gonna feel this for the rest of her life and
have to deal with these emotions and feelings. And it's
all because Jeffrey Epstein and Glene Maxwell were allowed to continue.
They're spree of crime, disgusting, this human trafficking, rape and
the rest of it right under the noses of the
SDN Y. You know, the same jerkofs who get on
the Twitter all the time or on the TV and
start running their mouths about this, that or the other
thing when they let one of the most prolific human
trafficking rings of all time just run rampant in their district.
So when I bag on the SDN Y, that's why
I do it. This stuff was happening right under their eyes,
right under their noses, and they didn't do a thing
about it. All right, folks, that's gonna end episode one,
Part one for this two part story. Part two is
certainly on its way. If you'd like to contact me,
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be found in the description box. All right, folks, Like
I said, part two on its way. What's up everyone,
and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. We're gonna pick
right up where we left off talking about what happened
to Gretchen Rhodes at the hands of Glen Maxwell and
Jeffrey Epstein. Always I would feel horrible after Jeffrey Epstein
had carried out such a disgusting exploitation of an employee.
This jeckl and hyed Man would revert to the warm
and kind person he had been before. Rhoades chooses not
to describe any more specific incidents on camera and tells
and tells, I totally understandably that I'm not super into
talking about that, but she makes clear that this wasn't
the only incident. It definitely happened more than that time.
So look, nobody can force anybody to talk about things
that are traumatizing to them. Whenever these women are ready
to come out and talk about their story or what
happened to them at the hands of Epstein, then they'll
do so. And if they never decide to tell their story,
that is certainly their prerogative as well. I can't imagine
going through my life with this hanging over my head.
Further abuses were sporadic, she explains. It was the normality
of his behavior the rest of the time, normal for
any rich businessman staying on his own paradise island at least,
that made the situation such a mind fuck, said Rhodes.
She apologizes for swearing like a pirate, but it is
the only way she can get across what she was
subjected to, Oh, that's right, you know, swearing like a pirate,
cursing like a pirate. That's right in my wheelhouse. I
have to really control myself on the podcast. I try
not to curse too much here because I know that
you know a wide variety of people who listen, people
who are you know, religious or so I try to
respect that. But every now and then I can't help it.
And you have to remember, at least for me, your
boy speaks New York Italian. That means every other word
basically is an F bomb in my real life, so
I understand completely miss roads. Normally it was such a
run of the mill massage, and then every once in
a while it would happen. Always I would feel horrible
in the scope of how many times I massaged him.
It wasn't that many times, but also none of it
was okay. One time is too many. This dude touching
you one time, fondling you one time, rubbing you, groping you,
whatever it is, one time is way too many. Prince
Andrew is believed to have visited Little Saint James in
February of nineteen ninety nine. According to flight logs. He
is thought to have flown there once more on Good
Friday two thousand and one and stayed for forty eight hours.
This was weeks after the infamous photo of him with
Maxwell and Virginia Roberts, who accuses the Royal of sexually
assaulting her three times, is thought to have been taken.
Roberts has claimed that later in two thousand and one,
she had to take part in an open air orgy
on the island with the Prince, involving up to eight
other teenage girls, though she has given conflicting accounts of this.
In March, she settled a civil lawsuit with Andrew, who
was always denied wrongdoing. Oh yeah, well, of course, he has.
Rhodes was never asked to massage celebrity guests and does
not believe her time on the island coincided with any
of Prince Andrew's visits. But it was very much as
speak when spoken to situation over there, she says, so
it was hard to know what others were going through.
Epstein and Maxwell managed to create an environment where nobody
felt able to confront themselves with what was happening, let
alone tell others. So they fomented an environment where the
girls weren't really to interact with one another. It was
you're here to do a job, not hang out with
your friends and socialize. That was what you know. Maxwell
and Epstein were running on these girls. There were always
different groups of girls. He would have different people that
would stay with them. One of them could have caught
me on my way back to the kitchen or before
I was taken back to the other island where I live,
and been like, we have to tell we have to
tell somebody, you have to help me or get me
off of here. But there was none of that. Everybody
was always laughing and joking and and having wonderful dinners
and bouncing up and down on the little trampoline that
was out in the cove. No one was ever like,
oh my god, get me out of here. I'm sure
there were things that were happening, one hundred percent, but
no one ever acted like they were in distress. Ever.
But did I I didn't either. I was just full
of shame. So maybe these people were full of shame
and embarrassed as well and didn't want to admit what
was happening to them. I can only assume. Well for me,
and again, this is just my opinion the outside view.
A lot of it has to do with it being normalized.
If everybody else is doing it around you, then it's
just normal behavior. When all of your friends are heroin addicts,
then it's not out of the norm to walk into
a room and see people pop in mainline, just like
it's not out of the norm if you're on the
island with a pedophile and a sick women abuser to
have a bunch of women around who might look like
they're not in distress because in their minds they might
not be. It was all part of it, you see.
This wasn't just girls that were brought in for one
day or two days. These girls were groomed over a
period of time, and they were groomed not only to
the sexual abuse, but to the normal sea of it.
It was only years after she left the island that
Rhodes learnt the terrible truth of what others had to endure.
Sarah Ransom, who gave a survivor impact statement at Maxwell's
sentencing in New York last week, told Sky News before
the hearing, I have spent the last seventeen years in
my own prison for what she Jeffrey and all the
co conspirators did to me. I was raped repetialy. I
was raped three times a day sometimes. And I was
not the only girl on that island. There was a
constant stream of girls being raped over and over again
and again. That locks right into what we were just said,
that's what they do. Once it's normalized, then they can
do whatever they want because it doesn't seem weird or
out of the box. Right. Escape from Little Saint James. Somehow,
Roads lasted five years working on the island, which Ransom
has described as a dungeon of sexual hell. It was
meeting the man who would become her husband on a
flight in Europe that led her to finally breaking free.
In two thousand and six, she moved thousands of miles
away to the Hawaiian island of Maui. Now, if you're
gonna go and heal somewhere, and you got to go
and get your mind right, I can think of a
lot worse places to go than Maui. And you see
the comparison here with Virginia. Virginia met a good guy, Robert,
and he helped her. And Miss Rhodes she met a
good man and he helped her as well. The moral
of the story there is, well, not all men are
pieces of shit right. By then, an investigation into Epstein
was finally under way. In two thousand and eight, he
pleaded guilty to soliciting a fourteen year old girl who
he had molested in Palm Beach. His sentence was just
eighteen months, of which he served thirteen, and he was
allowed to travel to his office on work release for
twelve hours a day, six days a week. Must be nice, huh,
next time you get in trouble. Hopefully you don't, but
next time you do, if you do, just tell the
judge I'm looking for the Jeffrey Epstein plans, Sir. I'd
like to just I'd like to be sentenced to eighteen months,
but I'll only serve thirteen of those. But I get
to do work release six days a week. And let's
see what the judge has to say to you. In
many ways, life has been good to Road since leaving
the Caribbean. She and her husband have a daughter. She
had dreamed her She achieved her dream of singing for
a living, performing blues and rock in a local band
with Mick Fleetwood, the co founder and drummer of Fleetwood
mag and she did her best to compartmentalize what had
happened with Maxwell and Epstein. That's what a lot of
people do with trauma. You compartmentalize it, right, You try
and bury it so it doesn't ever come back and
rear its ugly head. If I really scratched the surface
and I went into it, there were always going to
be huge amounts of shame and embarrassment, she says. But
pushing forward in her music career also meant empowering myself
by not ever letting anybody fuck with me again. I'm
taking the reins of what I want to do with
my life. No one's handing it to me, and for
my money, that's the best way to do it. You
have to go out and take whatever you want. You
have to go and do it. And let me tell
you something, folks, all right, you gotta believe in yourself
and you better not back down ever, because if you
don't believe in yourself, nobody's ever going to believe in you.
And you can talk the talk all you want, but
you better damn well walk the walk. Unbeknownst to Rhodes, however,
her name had been listed in Epstein's contacts. I can't
get away from it because my name is in that
black book, she says. And speaking of the black book,
you know everybody wants names and the list and all
of that. Folks dig into that black book. Take a
look at those names. People weren't in that black book
just because that wasn't like when you were growing up.
If you were growing up in the eighties and the nineties, Yeah,
you know your little black book of phone numbers, all
the girls that you met during the weekend when you
were hanging out on the strip with your boys or
up it went and wild. It's not the same kind
of black book, folks. So all of those names in there.
If your name is in that black book, now, it
doesn't automatically mean that you were engaged in something fed up.
But I'll tell you this much. You got my attention
and you should be looked at. Reporters attained this and
she was eight months pregnant when a journalist first contacted her.
He kept calling and calling and calling, saying, I'm here
on Maui and I came to your house, she says.
Her husband, who knew Roads had worked for Epstein but
did not know he had abused her, warned the reporter away,
but then she was contacted by a Britainish journalist who
was very understanding and explained she had been included in
Epstein's address book. You know, the thing is, these jerk
off reporters, this isn't your story where you go and
kick in someone's door, bro, and you go and harass
people at their home. These girls suffered severe trauma. They
don't need some jerk off from some ragass publications showing
up at their house. And it's like the people who
tag these girls in everything they do on Twitter so weird.
Leave them alone, Go live your life, let them live
their life. In twenty fifteen, a redacted version of the
book was leaked online and Rhodes began being contacted more often.
I've had journalists calling me constantly trying to get information.
Because I hadn't spoken out to anybody. I was always deflecting,
she says. A writer Leland Nahley tells Channel four how
we investigated Epstein by calling every number in his infamous
black book. One former friend of Epstein told Nolly how
the hedge fund manager would interrupt ordinary conversations by asking,
what has that got to do with the P word?
He added that was his favorite expression. Now Leland Knolly
is the author from Mother Jones, the journalist who called
every name in the Black Book. You can find that
in the catalog as well. Just type into the search
function Black Book and it'll pop right up. But I
did several different articles about that, saying that Epstein must
have suffered from satriasis, the male equivalent of niphomania. The
former friend added, probably a lot of men have that
for all I know, except very few of them have
the money to treat themselves to sex three times a
day with young girls. He made an industry out of it.
Jeffrey was a very, very sick man. Yeah, no shit,
no shit. Confronting her past. By twenty nineteen, the only
person Rhodes had ever spoken to about her experience lliances
was her best friend when Epstein was arrested in July
that year and killed himself in his prison cell a
month later. Allegedly, more and more allegations were still coming
to light. Though she worries it sounds horrible, Rhodes felt
a bit of relief in that, Okay, I'm not the
only person. The unavoidable media coverage made her secrecy about
what happened impossible to sustain while around her family. However,
that must be difficult. You have all of this media
attention blowing up on Epstein and all of these people
who have been abused by them, and you have also
been abused by them, but you don't want to come forward.
You know you're still repressing it. But finally it gets
to a point where you know you can't do that anymore.
And courageously, Miss Rhodes came out and she told her family.
It was on the news constantly. She recalls my dad.
He's passed since then, but he had Parkinson's and he
had the news on all the time. It was the
only thing he could do. There was this constant listening
to this and that about him, about her all the time.
We were there for my mother's birthday, the whole family
was there. At a certain point, I was like, I
can't keep burying my head in the sand. I can't
keep hearing all these things without dealing with it. It
was literally starting to make me feel sick. Every single
cell in my body was screaming, just face this so
that we can, so that we can have some relief.
And I can't. Again, I can't Imagine what it must
be like to have this kind of secret where you
can't even tell the people you love the most, The
people you know will not judge you, the people that
you know are there for you, but you can't tell
them because you just can't find it within yourself to
do so. When the Netflix documentary Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich
was released in May twenty twenty, Rhodes decided to watch
the first episode. Then I watched all of them. I
read and watched everything that I could possibly get my
hands on at that point, and then I had a
huge cry. We had a fan dinner. I put my
daughter to sleep, I fell asleep with her, and then
when I woke up, I saw my sister and my
brother were still awake, and I told them. I told
my husband two weeks after that. Now, think about that.
Think about your loved one, your you know, husband, wife,
whatever it is, whoever your person is. Imagine not being
able to tell them such a secret like this the
shame and you shouldn't have that shame. But it's just
the way it works, right. You feel like you're less then,
so you don't want to, you know, express your secrets
to people you don't want to talk about what happened.
And then she finally tells her her brother and sister,
and it still takes two weeks after that to tell
her husband. That just shows you the trauma right there alone.
What let her to go public was an email from
Kathy Haywood, the series producer of Channel four. Is Glaine
Maxwell making of a monster It felt different, It felt
like it wasn't pushing, pushing, pushing. She also wanted to
explain how it was because of Glenn Maxwell that I
was abused by Jeffrey. This person is a sociopath, a narcissist,
she says, of Maxwell, I don't think she even recognizes
the fact that she's the cause of all these victims,
these people that have gone through these horrible, horrible things
in their lives. Yeah, it's because of him, one hundred percent,
but it's also because of her. I don't see any
kind of remorse that she played any part in it.
That's insane. That is one hundred percent correct, No remorse,
But what do you expect from a bipedal serpent? She
might not even be a human being, right, I don't
even know if she's human at this point. Now I'm
obviously just kidding. I'm not one of these people who
believes in all that other you know, lizard people and
all the rest of it. But I mean, how can
you be a human, a real human, and conduct yourself
the way Maxwell did? Living in Italy with her husband's family,
for now, Rhodes is continuing to sing and write music,
but she is also teaching music classes. Well, I'll tell
you what, Pretty sure nobody's going to f with her
if her family's in Italy. Pretty sure her husband, if
he grew up in Italy, ah might know a crooked
noser too. That would make sure no bs would happen.
It's more about using the strength of one's voice. I
started with a woman's group and it's evolved now into
kindergarteners and first grader. She explains. It's about being strong
in yourself and if you don't like something that's happening,
if your friend is being mean, stick up for yourself.
Little things like that there, Look, don't back down, folks,
do not back down. Don't back down to bullies, don't
back down to big mouths, don't give ground, stand up
for yourself. It's very important to do that. I developed
this mantra from thinking about what I would have liked
to hear in my own head as I was going
through this experience with these people Epstein and Maxwell. We
say it three times. We begin class with it, we
end class with it. I'm good enough, I'm worthy, I'm confident,
and I love myself. Hey, you know what, there's nothing
wrong with some self affirmation, hopping in the mirror and
letting yourself know what the deal is. Look at Alexander Volkanovsky,
champ for the UFC. He was giving himself self affirmation
while he was in the ring a few seconds before
he was getting ready to fight. I'm the greatest, I'm
the best, I'm the champ. That shit works. Psyching yourself
out works. I know it sounds like it doesn't, but
it does. So there's nothing wrong with, you know, giving
yourself a little bit of love. Folks, try it out.
Because we sure can be hard on ourselves, can't we.
So every now and then we have to do the
reverse and give ourselves a little bit of a pat
on the back, and self affirmation certainly is a good
way to get there. Now for the story, it's brave
that Miss Rhodes finally came out and she felt comfortable
talking about what happened and I had I've said it
before and I'll say it again. We're gonna see plenty
more people like Miss Rhodes come out in the future because, folks,
what happened here didn't happen in just a ten year period.
It didn't just happen in one place. It happened for decades,
and it spanned continents. So all of the other people
who were involved, I'd be sleeping with one eye open
because this is far from over all. Right, folks, that
is going to do it. If you'd like to contact me,
you can do that at Bobby Kopuci at ProtonMail dot com.
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