Speaker 1: My mind. When you're putting we got water or something
Speaker 1: frolls out here, I can't go. I know it.
Speaker 2: My venal light came on and I just happened and
Speaker 2: let the thing running across the yard.
Speaker 1: Not a good night man.
Speaker 3: Or something I look like to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was right across the yard.
Speaker 2: It means to me if they put leaning against the
Speaker 2: tree in a wooden area.
Speaker 1: I have seen many of people with big feet, but
Speaker 1: not big foot tree minks and rush. You see's about
Speaker 1: seven and seven and a half with two sat watch
Speaker 1: looking back at him. It kind of looks like a wolf,
Speaker 1: but not like a neighborhood dog.
Speaker 2: Pick these stores for what they are and hopes that
Speaker 2: maybe if it's.
Speaker 1: Out there, don't show me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and says he might have caught the mythical shoot
Speaker 2: of contract.
Speaker 1: Gad, you're terrorizing his chickens. Looks like a run and
Speaker 1: a knock on. I think there's kind of a cultural
Speaker 1: tendency for people to want to make big footpa quote
Speaker 1: unquote monster Welcome to ecb ro O Bigfoot Radio. Hey everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome to the ecbror Bigfoot Radio also Bigfoot Zone on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Sorry for a little bit a little bit late delay.
Speaker 1: I was actually waiting on one of my old panels
Speaker 1: to show up. But we're all here for now. I
Speaker 1: got David Melissa with us, and I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: have an interesting and fun chat tonight. We're watching the
Speaker 1: live chat. If you guys have questions, he feel free
Speaker 1: to ask away. I will try my best to pay
Speaker 1: attention to the live chat. However, one of the things
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about tonight is kind of give
Speaker 1: everybody a little background, a little uh well, let's fill
Speaker 1: them in on kind of like what we do when
Speaker 1: we do our group campouts with the ECBRO, because you know,
Speaker 1: I've been getting some feedback. I've you know, some of
Speaker 1: the people you know, question things and want to know
Speaker 1: what we do. I mean, not just some recent video uploads,
Speaker 1: but from the past. There's a lot of things I
Speaker 1: really want to touch based on and kind of give
Speaker 1: everybody an idea about what we do. I mean, our
Speaker 1: videos pretty much speak to themselves, you know, because I've
Speaker 1: had some a few other videos I uploaded from group
Speaker 1: campous and our research explorations, both from here in Virginia
Speaker 1: also in from Pennsylvania. If you guys seen those videos,
Speaker 1: shoot my Pennsylvania Bigfoot video documentary, and I can believe
Speaker 1: that one has got over thirteen thousands view right now.
Speaker 1: Our recent upload of our first episode commentary of Bigfoot Explorers,
Speaker 1: we just hit five thousand views, which is awesome. It's
Speaker 1: only been but what five days, four or five days now,
Speaker 1: so we're already up to five thousand views, which is awesome.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, so there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: positive feedback on that. There's been a couple of negative ones,
Speaker 1: which we will address that tonight as well. First of all,
Speaker 1: I want to welcome David and Melissa. Welcome a board. Guys.
Speaker 1: How you guys doing doing?
Speaker 3: Okay? How about you?
Speaker 1: I'm hanging in there, so give me a second here,
Speaker 1: let me get myself back on the screen. Here, let
Speaker 1: me remove that from you. Get this out of the
Speaker 1: way here. I want to remove this. Oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: not trying to play that again. I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: rid of that. So I guess all right, there we go.
Speaker 1: That's more like it. So all right, so yeah, a
Speaker 1: little saying hey David and Melissa. So yeah, so guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: feel free to chat away on the chat. Like I said,
Speaker 1: I am gonna try my vest. Uh, pay attentions to
Speaker 1: the chat because right now, even though my cameras turned
Speaker 1: off where I'm at, I'm actually walking back and forth,
Speaker 1: pacing back and forth. That's what I do. Eventually, you
Speaker 1: I'll let my phone charge up, so right now you
Speaker 1: will see my face. After a while, I'll put it
Speaker 1: up on the tripod because I have it laid down
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: So but.
Speaker 1: David Melissa, I know you guys both view the most
Speaker 1: recent upload, and this question, this is this question. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna David and Melissa, anybody who's watched the recent upload
Speaker 1: of Bigfoot Explorers. I kind of want to get some
Speaker 1: feedback from any of you that have washed it. But
Speaker 1: you know, let's start off with a feedback on the
Speaker 1: video upload. I want to get some feedback. David Melissa,
Speaker 1: what's your take on that? I mean, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you think the video would put together for what it was?
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, was there something maybe I could have
Speaker 1: done better?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean be honest and open about it.
Speaker 1: And I mean, like I said, we're gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: improve from here and get better and better every time.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we've had some good positive feedback when
Speaker 1: you know, there was a couple negative ones. Again, we'll
Speaker 1: address that very shortly, but yeah, let's make a feedback
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: In my opinion on the first one, I thought you
Speaker 2: did a great job on that. Of course, you know,
Speaker 2: as time goes, you're gonna have more ideas and improve
Speaker 2: on many different things, like we all will. But keep
Speaker 2: in mind, we're not out there to do a production either,
Speaker 2: Like you said, right, we're out there.
Speaker 3: We're winging it.
Speaker 2: We're doing you're filming it, and some of us are
Speaker 2: filming it with to as we go and as things unfold.
Speaker 2: And in my mind, I think that's has with less structure,
Speaker 2: filming as you do it. I think in my mind
Speaker 2: it's more interesting for a lot of people because if
Speaker 2: you start staging stuff and whatnot, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people read into that and a lot of people
Speaker 2: may be turned off from it. So I say, just
Speaker 2: keep on the track you're going and just make it
Speaker 2: all flow naturally, capture what we do. If things happen,
Speaker 2: things happen, If things don't, they don't. If they do,
Speaker 2: we'll try to explain it. Right, that's my take on it.
Speaker 2: We're not a film crew out there with a bunch
Speaker 2: of people running around with lights and all that other stuff,
Speaker 2: trying to script everything.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to do that anyway. I don't
Speaker 3: want any script going on.
Speaker 1: No, no, no.
Speaker 3: Now, interviews are different.
Speaker 2: If we sit down for an interview, that's one thing,
Speaker 2: because you're talking one on one and one on two,
Speaker 2: whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: That's totally different. I'll talk about when we're out there
Speaker 3: running around.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah for sure. Uh yeah, definitely. I agree with
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent. Nothing about our video footage or
Speaker 1: anything that we're not going to stage nothing. We don't
Speaker 1: plan on doing that where you know how you know,
Speaker 1: I do believe in like in any documentary, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be organization. Everybody's gonna be on the same page,
Speaker 1: you know, especially when I like, for example, you know,
Speaker 1: i'm filming people, I'm filming what we're doing. I want
Speaker 1: people to see what we're doing out there, you know,
Speaker 1: and of course everything's natural, everything's for what it is,
Speaker 1: and they see what we do. Yeah, like the interviews
Speaker 1: and stuff. When I start recording people a couple of things,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll point in it there is Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: start recording somebody because somebody all of a sudden, from
Speaker 1: out of nowhere, we'll start telling about the story or
Speaker 1: their experience without warning. So I was like, okay, I'll
Speaker 1: start recording. I always try to have my camera with
Speaker 1: me to be prepared for that. Usually I would love
Speaker 1: to have somebody, hey, honest, tell give me a give
Speaker 1: me a little bit of a heads up, perhaps like hey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to start talking about my situation or something,
Speaker 1: and I'll start recording that. And with that being said,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure everybody else that's in the group,
Speaker 1: that's in the area, hey, everybody, Hey, someone soon wants
Speaker 1: to talk. Let's kind of have a respect for who's
Speaker 1: talking and stop trying not to talk over the top
Speaker 1: of them and let me record them because they want
Speaker 1: to share this with all of us. And plus me
Speaker 1: being you know, the producer and recording this, I want
Speaker 1: to make sure I capture all the details, you know,
Speaker 1: because the viewers who end up seeing this later such
Speaker 1: on YouTube, like what we just did, they want to
Speaker 1: hear things, They want to learn about things, and that's
Speaker 1: part of the documentary, you know, documenting everything that's possible,
Speaker 1: you know, everything that we know or experience. Like I,
Speaker 1: like I was telling you guys right before we went live.
Speaker 1: I do have a couple interviews scheduled, and I'm excited
Speaker 1: to have these few people on on camera because this
Speaker 1: is going on part two of Bigfoot Explorers. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: uh a Native American himself. For those who know William Knighthawk,
Speaker 1: I have an interview scheduled with him for next week.
Speaker 1: Of course that information. Uh, it's gonna be awesome because
Speaker 1: you know, again, for those who know William Knighthawk, you
Speaker 1: know that he's very knowledgeable with the subject of Bigfoot
Speaker 1: and the Native American background that he has, So that's
Speaker 1: something to look forward to as well.
Speaker 2: And then William is a walking dictionary, is what he is.
Speaker 2: With no big Foot, but all the different customs and
Speaker 2: stuff in Native American folklore and and things have been
Speaker 2: passed down from the ages.
Speaker 3: He's he's a walking.
Speaker 2: Dictionary when it comes to things, and plus all of
Speaker 2: the experiences he and his family has had over the
Speaker 2: years too.
Speaker 1: So for sure, absolutely, And not to mention that he
Speaker 1: just had a post, uh just another day ago that
Speaker 1: his wife actually had a mountain lion sighting in their backyard,
Speaker 1: so which I thought was very fascinating because I've never
Speaker 1: heard of him in that particular area. You know, I've
Speaker 1: heard reports and sightings maybe you know, southwest of area whatnot.
Speaker 1: But I thought that was pretty cool too. I may
Speaker 1: end up talking to him a little bit about that
Speaker 1: as well. Let's see what else. So, yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: you know, you know we've been David, how long have
Speaker 1: we been doing like you and Melissa? How long have
Speaker 1: you guys been joining me before? And we've been doing
Speaker 1: these group campus together. It's been at least for four
Speaker 1: or five years now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, between four and five, no more than five
Speaker 3: so far.
Speaker 2: I'd probably say, Well, we've been out to Lake Corn
Speaker 2: once year, twice to three fourth four.
Speaker 3: Years, so this year makes the fourth year.
Speaker 2: Okay years I went out to the lake Elkhorn Lake,
Speaker 2: and then last year and this year we went out
Speaker 2: to a select lake.
Speaker 1: Hmm okay, fun. Yeah. Back in twenty one, I guess
Speaker 1: I had seen one of the advertisements about your bigfoot Colin,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know anything about it the time, and
Speaker 1: I told him about it. Well, next thing I know,
Speaker 1: we were going, well you.
Speaker 2: Know, before that, we made him at them all yeah,
Speaker 2: place set up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I tell you, it really seems like it's
Speaker 1: been a lot longer than that, you know. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, seems like it's been years years, Like I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: four years and years, but it seems like a lot
Speaker 1: longer in years.
Speaker 2: Melissa has a tendency to make things feel longer than
Speaker 2: what it actually is.
Speaker 1: You get slapping them on camera day, It's okay, I
Speaker 1: figured should get you down. I'll get you later. We
Speaker 1: might as well get it out of the way. Oh man,
Speaker 1: that's awesome though, now. I mean, it's been a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. I want people to know when we're out
Speaker 1: there again, like we what we just talked about, none
Speaker 1: of what we do is scripted, none of its stage,
Speaker 1: you know, because you know, I got more and more
Speaker 1: people showing interest in wanting to join a group camp house,
Speaker 1: And I'm careful about who joins us too, because I
Speaker 1: want to get to know them. I want to trust them,
Speaker 1: because if we don't want people coming out there and
Speaker 1: stage and stuff, we don't want them pulling a fast
Speaker 1: one on us, you know, because if we find something
Speaker 1: we wanted, we want to feel that it's legit. Because
Speaker 1: we don't advertise where we go, We don't advertise where
Speaker 1: we're at, you know, stuff like that. I mean, we
Speaker 1: can give general locations in general areas and stuff, but
Speaker 1: we don't give you this specific So yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: we've had some interesting experiences which we we talked and
Speaker 1: showed that in the recent upload video. You know what
Speaker 1: we've experienced. I mean, it would have been better to
Speaker 1: capture that on camera, but you know, it's the way
Speaker 1: it goes, you know, such a light situation. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that's why John, hold on, they're actually messaging right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Ahead, it says it will not let him connect.
Speaker 3: Does you see the link on the messenger?
Speaker 1: You might have to send him the link like you
Speaker 1: sent us. Yeah, and I uh give me one second, guys, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well while he's doing that.
Speaker 2: Until we met him, we really didn't do any big
Speaker 2: put investigations. I've been through two careers that Melissa was
Speaker 2: with me on stuff like us, we really didn't have
Speaker 2: the time. We had a lot of paranormal stuff happened
Speaker 2: over the years, so that's a whole different story. But
Speaker 2: we finally met up with Daniel after we retired from
Speaker 2: After I retired from a couple of careers where we
Speaker 2: had more time to be able to get involved with
Speaker 2: stuff and we've always had the interest and from there
Speaker 2: just took off with them, and plus meeting other great
Speaker 2: people to come out and camp out with us and
Speaker 2: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Like minded people.
Speaker 2: We'd like to go out camp, have fun, enjoy the camaraderie,
Speaker 2: come up with ideas while we're there. Have we're going
Speaker 2: to approach things and let things unfold from there, right
Speaker 2: we have. We have yet to see our own big
Speaker 2: foot encounter. We talked to those that have, like Daniel,
Speaker 2: which opened my eyes a little bit. But again, I
Speaker 2: think something's out there, but I need to have my
Speaker 2: own proof. That's why we're there looking. Not every shadow
Speaker 2: you see or a wooden knock, Well I'm gonna talk
Speaker 2: about wood knocks, and every shadow you see or sound
Speaker 2: you hear, it's going to be a big foot. Like
Speaker 2: a lot of people think the structures debatable. A lot
Speaker 2: of them could be natural, but when you start looking
Speaker 2: at the physics of a lot of them, to where
Speaker 2: two or three things falling in a tepee pattern, yeah,
Speaker 2: that could have been natural falling, especially if the branches
Speaker 2: came from the same location with the trees around it.
Speaker 2: But when you start looking at four or five, six
Speaker 2: or more, the physics behind it. There's no way that
Speaker 2: stuff like that could be natural. Right, they were placed there.
Speaker 2: Something had to have a thumb to put it there.
Speaker 2: So we'll start looking at that point of fine telltale
Speaker 2: signs of any people that could have been in the area,
Speaker 2: like hunters. For one, Hunters like to make blinds. I mean,
Speaker 2: I can't see them making a tepee structure. They'll make
Speaker 2: ground blinds like turkey hunters, and a lot of them will.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of variables involved like that to try
Speaker 2: to find answers. Many times we'll walk away having more
Speaker 2: questions than we have answers for right, which makes it interesting.
Speaker 2: For that, how did it go with John to be
Speaker 2: able to connect? Yet I don't see them.
Speaker 1: I just sent them. I just we sent them to link.
Speaker 1: See see what it what it does, because if it's
Speaker 1: not giving them permission, they need to Usually the device,
Speaker 1: their device, whatever they're trying to get on, you should
Speaker 1: ask them for permission. Normally you have to accept it,
Speaker 1: well grant click on it where allow you know, But
Speaker 1: I don't know what it looks like on their end,
Speaker 1: so it's kind of hard to say.
Speaker 2: Probably like mine allow this time. All the time you
Speaker 2: get a couple of options. They're to be able to
Speaker 2: do that. I click allowed this time, but not all
Speaker 2: the time. I want to Yeah, control that aspect of it, right,
Speaker 2: and once.
Speaker 1: You get it allowed for this particular network, it should
Speaker 1: allow you to jump on any time on this on
Speaker 1: this platform.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What that did?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 3: You pumped right up?
Speaker 1: Awesome? Okay? Uh. But you know, for those who watched
Speaker 1: our recent upload of the first episode documentary of Bigfoot Explorers,
Speaker 1: now we talked about the light. I know, I know
Speaker 1: John wants to talk of that light, even though he
Speaker 1: wasn't present when me and you saw that. So for
Speaker 1: the record, for those who did not watch it yet,
Speaker 1: Damon was the very first one to ever notice it
Speaker 1: and see that light that we seen. It was a
Speaker 1: very strange light. He brought it up to my attention.
Speaker 1: I was only about within, you know, so many feet
Speaker 1: away from him when I walk over and looked out
Speaker 1: where he was putting it, and bam, there it was.
Speaker 1: I saw it for myself, you know, clear as could be.
Speaker 1: That light did not illuminate nothing.
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't all from the distance either. It was
Speaker 2: probably thirty to forty yards from us. It was real close.
Speaker 2: It's about maybe four foot off the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah, at the most.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it experiences. I've heard about lights in
Speaker 2: the woods and stuff like that, but I've never experienced it.
Speaker 2: And most of the things I've heard about they're off
Speaker 2: in the distance on the ridge line or crossing a
Speaker 2: field like gas or something like that. But this here
Speaker 2: didn't resemble anything that I've seen on TV.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: It around crisp sphere, white.
Speaker 2: In color, and it looked like it's if you was
Speaker 2: looking at a flashlight head on, but just did not
Speaker 2: emit any beam that did not light up the surrounding area.
Speaker 3: And from where Daniel.
Speaker 2: And I were standing, if it was a flashlight somebody
Speaker 2: standing forty feet from us, it would have let everybody up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it would have Yeah, exactly, it would have beamed
Speaker 1: on us. We would have seen and plus we would
Speaker 1: have seen a glare, the beam of glare, and we
Speaker 1: never seen none of that. And what was interesting was that,
Speaker 1: you know, Mike Ferma was in my backpack, Terror was
Speaker 1: right behind me. I say, hey, I would hold my
Speaker 1: camp quarter, Hey, grab my phone cause my phone was
Speaker 1: attached and set up for my Fermal. She got it
Speaker 1: to me right away. I started looking in that area.
Speaker 1: I did not pick nothing up, and you walk further
Speaker 1: up ahead. I stayed put. You walked up ahead with Luna,
Speaker 1: pulled your firm out try to catch her, you know,
Speaker 1: look in from a different angle.
Speaker 2: You didn't pick nothing up. So well, that's what I
Speaker 2: was trying to do on that walk. I tried to
Speaker 2: keep myself from Luna walking ahead of you all, and
Speaker 2: I rarely turned on my flashlight or my body came.
Speaker 3: I really turned that on, so I wanted to walk
Speaker 3: in the dark that way. Anything would have been stirred up.
Speaker 2: From you all walking behind, and maybe we could have
Speaker 2: seen or heard something at that point, But it's because
Speaker 2: of that. When I was walking ahead of you there,
Speaker 2: I didn't see anything. While I was walking down the
Speaker 2: springs up another point, there was four of us walking
Speaker 2: along a gravel road. If that was the person in
Speaker 2: the woods with a flashlight, they'd heard us coming along
Speaker 2: before we got to that point, long before we got
Speaker 2: to at one point, and if they didn't want to
Speaker 2: be seen or smelled by a dog, they would have
Speaker 2: either took off in another direction or just laid low
Speaker 2: and turned the light out so they wouldn't be seen
Speaker 2: at all, Right, I didn't see it until a lot
Speaker 2: of the brush on my left finally passed by to
Speaker 2: where it started to open up into the woods, and
Speaker 2: then that's when I seen it, about thirty five or
Speaker 2: forty yards away on average. And as soon as I
Speaker 2: seen it, I looked at it for about two seconds,
Speaker 2: and then I got Daniel's attention, and about a second
Speaker 2: or two after that, Daniel was looking over and he's
Speaker 2: seen the thing.
Speaker 3: The moment he looked over and seen it.
Speaker 2: About one or two seconds after that, it sort of
Speaker 2: flirted up a little bit and then it just vanished
Speaker 2: right there in mid air, which I found all of its.
Speaker 3: Strange, Like, Yeah, I can't explain that.
Speaker 2: I've not seen anything like it before, especially with my
Speaker 2: background to careers. I've always heard about stuff like that,
Speaker 2: but until that night, I don't have an answer for it.
Speaker 2: No thermals picked up any body heat, and if there
Speaker 2: was any heat in the area, it's gonna leave residual heat,
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to thermal and if anybody would
Speaker 2: have land down trying not to be seen, we'd have
Speaker 2: seen that.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And what I mean by residual heat if you have
Speaker 2: a thermal camera and you go up and put your
Speaker 2: hand on the wall and you take your hand off,
Speaker 2: just touch the wall, turn on the thermal. You're gonna
Speaker 2: see that handprint on the wall and it takes a
Speaker 2: while for it to dissipate. But we've seen nothing that
Speaker 2: deer know, nothing in there that would indicate that something
Speaker 2: artificial was there making that light.
Speaker 3: We don't have an answer.
Speaker 1: As well. You know you are David. You recall that
Speaker 1: that podcast I shared to you from Sasquar's Theory, Uh,
Speaker 1: the one I came the one I came across on YouTube.
Speaker 1: I was looking. I was at work, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was looking up podcasts to listen to while I work,
Speaker 1: you know, because I got my earbuds I bring, you know,
Speaker 1: I bring to work and I usually listen to music.
Speaker 1: I decided, hey, I'm gonna listen to a podcast. Even
Speaker 1: though I host and do podcasts myself, I never hardly,
Speaker 1: rarely ever to listen to them. But I wanted to
Speaker 1: look up other situations in Virginia and I found one
Speaker 1: that I shared with you. It was from Sasquatch Theory,
Speaker 1: and uh, he's got a lot of great podcasts. By
Speaker 1: the way, if you're if you're not a fan of
Speaker 1: Sasquatched Theory. Check them out and know he does not
Speaker 1: know that I'm promoting and putting his podcasts out there,
Speaker 1: but check it out there. Sasquatch Theory his names the
Speaker 1: host that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't mean to interrupt, but oh no, you're fine.
Speaker 2: It seemed to me that the person that he was interviewing, Uh,
Speaker 2: I think they were over talking over the are they
Speaker 2: wasn't sitting side beside. It was like a rad type things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it sounded elderly a little bit and sounded sincere in
Speaker 2: what they were telling. What they were telling him about. Uh,
Speaker 2: a lot of people you could tell if they're embellishing
Speaker 2: things or whatnot, for the most part is not guaranteed.
Speaker 3: But that person's sounded secere.
Speaker 2: And then they talked about a lot of different subjects
Speaker 2: that took situations and subject matter that took place here
Speaker 2: in the state of Virginia. Yeah, a lot of it
Speaker 2: I wasn't familiar with. But then he's they talked about
Speaker 2: lights too.
Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, that's when he I didn't know they were
Speaker 1: going to talk about that.
Speaker 2: It was a different description of the lights they seen. Uh,
Speaker 2: but again, the light is a light. There's no set
Speaker 2: pattern or rhyme or reason, uh to say it's one
Speaker 2: thing or another, because when people give different accounts of
Speaker 2: what they've seen, they've got different experiences, and they've seen
Speaker 2: different types of light, either gas ball, a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff to be a electrical Some of that's been scientifically
Speaker 2: proven coming from tatonic plates. But what we've seen was
Speaker 2: nothing like that. They had no kind of gas to it,
Speaker 2: no kind of electricity, nothing. It was just Chris sphere
Speaker 2: that it didn't hurt your eyes and we're looking at it.
Speaker 3: I mean, they were just there. I can't explain it.
Speaker 1: Oh well, what what I'll add on to that is
Speaker 1: a lot of people say orbs. A lot of people
Speaker 1: I here talking about orbs. They float and move this
Speaker 1: as you've seen and as I seen, this did not
Speaker 1: move one bit. It was stationary yep, as as if
Speaker 1: it was a person there. But we didn't pick up
Speaker 1: no heat. Now the gentleman on the episode which I
Speaker 1: was surprised again, he was talking about his big foot experiences.
Speaker 1: He talked about actual orbs, seeing very different, various different
Speaker 1: colors of light move around on the on the individual's
Speaker 1: property where he had his big qut encounter in citing
Speaker 1: now you know, and also he goes on to share
Speaker 1: because it's a two hour this was for those who
Speaker 1: don't know about this particular episode. It was a good
Speaker 1: two hours. And he did mention because he did a
Speaker 1: lot of research and studies on the surrounding area. There
Speaker 1: was actually this area had Civil War battle history. And
Speaker 1: he goes on to talk about seeing the different colors
Speaker 1: of orbs. They were actually he actually seeing them moving
Speaker 1: and floating across throughout the property. Now, as far as
Speaker 1: what me and David witnessed an experienced here in Virginia,
Speaker 1: I've experienced strange lights just less than two years ago
Speaker 1: up in Pennsylvania. Those strange lights didn't move. I mean
Speaker 1: I seen the first set of lights I talked about,
Speaker 1: was seeing some strange what up here to be starring
Speaker 1: flashing in the woods of various colors. But a month
Speaker 1: or so later, in a different area up in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: I've seen what I described as the size of softballs,
Speaker 1: maybe a little bigger, something smaller, And there were both
Speaker 1: four of them spread apart like a light, dim bluish color, stationary.
Speaker 1: They weren't floating and moving, but they were stationary. Now,
Speaker 1: Forbes State Forest. The first set of lights was in
Speaker 1: the in the Blue Hoole Division. Second set of lights
Speaker 1: that I saw that were stationary spread apart that were
Speaker 1: you know, they were like that was over in Mount Davis,
Speaker 1: the division of the Forb State Forest. Never seen anything
Speaker 1: like this in a day of my life, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've only heard Pennsylvania had a lot of strangeness,
Speaker 1: which you know, I I just took note of that
Speaker 1: and it's kind of implanted in my mind. And then
Speaker 1: all the years I spent in Virginia and you know,
Speaker 1: independently own or with others, not once have I ever
Speaker 1: seen any kind of strange lights in the woods uptil
Speaker 1: this last last time back in up it was what May, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was in May and with David. So this area
Speaker 1: that we we were working in right now, it's got
Speaker 1: a history of you know, big foot sightings and mountain
Speaker 1: lion sightings, but I never I don't know. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to do. I've tried to do some other research in
Speaker 1: this area if after there's been any other strange things
Speaker 1: happened in this therea I can't find anything. But now
Speaker 1: as far as strange lights in Virginia, besides the podcast
Speaker 1: I've heard prior to hearing this podcast, from this individual
Speaker 1: named theatre Or who was eyewitnessed to seeing strange lights
Speaker 1: and big foot sightings. His name is Theodore on Set.
Speaker 1: He was a guest on Sasquatch Theory. You know, he
Speaker 1: had a big fort sighting. He had some experiences I've
Speaker 1: seen the strange lights that he actually referred to as
Speaker 1: being orbs, but they were moving, it floating around. So
Speaker 1: but prior to that, I think coup across I didn't
Speaker 1: really read into it or look into it quite yet,
Speaker 1: which I will be. But there is something around I
Speaker 1: don't even don't quote me on this. I believe it
Speaker 1: was called the Brown Mountain Lights or something like that.
Speaker 1: Somewhere along the line there were something about there was
Speaker 1: an article or a post if you could do some
Speaker 1: research on it. Virginia does have a history of weird, strange,
Speaker 1: unexplainable lights in the woods. Now, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that particular article that I'm thinking on in my head
Speaker 1: has anything to do with what we've seen, you know,
Speaker 1: because yeah, as David talked about, there is a lot
Speaker 1: of natural phenomenons, you know, scientifically proven reasons why lights appeared.
Speaker 1: But this does not make no sense. I've actually done things,
Speaker 1: you know, I've asked questions with others. A lot of
Speaker 1: people think there's a bigfoot involved with this. You know.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to jump on board with that, but
Speaker 1: I'm not going to deny that because I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to understand if people believe that.
Speaker 1: What is it between the lights and bigfoot? Is it
Speaker 1: bigfoot giving off energy? I've heard that before. Was that
Speaker 1: light some type of portal going out? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't really believe in portal, But.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to jump off the bandwagon.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna jump off the cliff cliff and join
Speaker 2: that bandwagon right off the bat. I mean, I'm keeping
Speaker 2: in an open mind about that kind of stuff too,
Speaker 2: based on they won't send that light itself. But when
Speaker 2: we did see it, we tried to debunk it as
Speaker 2: much as we could at that point because I called
Speaker 2: on the radio to Milissam her John Mary is back
Speaker 2: at base camp and just to make sure and no cords,
Speaker 2: which is about maybe a quarter mile away from where
Speaker 2: we were at that point, maybe a little further, and
Speaker 2: just to make sure and no cars was driving along
Speaker 2: the gravel road back there. Just by chance it might
Speaker 2: have been part of a headlight we might have seen.
Speaker 2: But we were basically the only ones back our camp
Speaker 2: and they said no cars had even come by that
Speaker 2: evening at all as far as that so that was quiet.
Speaker 2: So that ruled that out as far as to being
Speaker 2: a light gleaming through the brush maybe. But then we
Speaker 2: went back in research it the next day. I was
Speaker 2: looking at the layout of the ground with all the
Speaker 2: woods vegetation three to four foot high, and the layout
Speaker 2: of the ground it wasn't totally flat. I mean it
Speaker 2: have a little bridges in it, and to go up
Speaker 2: and down stuff like that. You wouldn't have a direct
Speaker 2: line of sight from where we were at to the
Speaker 2: camp anyway, if there was a vehicle or a car
Speaker 2: passed through there, plus headlights light up the area bright anyway.
Speaker 3: You'd have seen.
Speaker 2: Lights ambient light coming from headlights anyway, if a car
Speaker 2: would have been driving around. But you know, we would
Speaker 2: try to debunk it as much as we can right
Speaker 2: off the bat, But we went back the next day.
Speaker 2: We couldn't come up with any answers either. But one
Speaker 2: last point on that part. Two things besides that light
Speaker 2: we had Drew they had his encounter about twenty minutes prior.
Speaker 2: Twenty five minutes prior, about two hundred yards from that spot,
Speaker 2: seen a couple of what he described as entities, he could.
Speaker 3: Not make out what they were.
Speaker 2: And then last fall, couple from Pennsylvania that came down
Speaker 2: to camp with us after we was getting ready to
Speaker 2: leave thereby the gate, maybe another two or three hundred
Speaker 2: yards up from where we seen the orb. Basically, she's
Speaker 2: seen what she thought was a bear that cross the
Speaker 2: road running on two legs, but we know bears don't
Speaker 2: run like that on two legs. We got to talk
Speaker 2: about it, and we're pretty confident, well, she's seen something
Speaker 2: she could not readily identify at that point in her mind.
Speaker 2: She was convinced with the bear until we got to
Speaker 2: talking to her, but it could have been a big
Speaker 2: foot running on two legs across the road and turned
Speaker 2: the husband's pulling up to the gate, and so you
Speaker 2: got that incident. We had Drew had his incident, and
Speaker 2: then we've seen that or all that in the same
Speaker 2: general location bigfoot possible incident last fall, Drew incident about
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five minutes prior. That's why we're heading back
Speaker 2: to camp because Drew was scared to death. So we
Speaker 2: started heading back to camp. That's when we encountered that
Speaker 2: white Are they connected? Are they connected? We can't say
Speaker 2: the art. We can't say the art. It just raises
Speaker 2: another possibility of what was going on. Maybe God it's
Speaker 2: it has added more questions to our toolbox for us
Speaker 2: to go back see if we can have the same
Speaker 2: type of experience and or come up with answers. Hopefully
Speaker 2: we'll see something like I had. Again, there's no guarantee
Speaker 2: on that. I mean, it's got me bat, I mean,
Speaker 2: how many I just can't.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well real quick, hey, John, Welcome John to
Speaker 1: the podcast. John finally made it on thanks to Mary.
Speaker 1: I figured it out.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you Mary.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, John, I know you had messaged me and
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk, wanted us to get together and
Speaker 1: talk about that light. Now we're actually we pretty much
Speaker 1: just started. We started talking and discussing that. I know
Speaker 1: you weren't part of that, but you've seen you've seen
Speaker 1: the video illustration, I mean the video that I uploaded
Speaker 1: with the illustration involved, and you know, I know you
Speaker 1: wanted to share some input on that. And talk about that.
Speaker 1: It was kind of we just started talking about that
Speaker 1: and getting others in on the live chat about their input.
Speaker 1: I just wondering was there anything that you wanted to
Speaker 1: share or bring up on that.
Speaker 5: Well, I want to I want to apologize to start
Speaker 5: with Let's start with that, because I did not realize
Speaker 5: that the light that you saw looked like that because
Speaker 5: it had like a Yeah, it was just like a
Speaker 5: a complete not like a complete circle. And it was
Speaker 5: not illuminating out the back. It was not illuminating out
Speaker 5: the front.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it did not go around the edge.
Speaker 4: That did not go around the edge. It was just
Speaker 4: like a big glowing through the sphere.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've seen that before. I wish I'd been
Speaker 4: able to see it.
Speaker 1: Now now John, you said you've seen that before, like
Speaker 1: you want to tell us about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've seen that before, but that's been uh huh man,
Speaker 5: that's I don't.
Speaker 4: Know that that would be in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Was that here in Virginia? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, right around
Speaker 1: where I live at Okay, Yeah, give us a rundown
Speaker 1: on that. Yeah.
Speaker 4: We were it was being a buddy of mine and
Speaker 4: we were in a.
Speaker 1: Car and what started it all.
Speaker 4: We was just riding around talking.
Speaker 5: And uh, we turned down this road and we turned
Speaker 5: down this road and stopped, and you know you could
Speaker 5: see it in the distance, and you know, well we
Speaker 5: you know, we really didn't know what it was or
Speaker 5: what was going on. So, you know, we just sitting there.
Speaker 1: Hanging out and talking.
Speaker 5: And then when it was all said and done, you know,
Speaker 5: that was that weekend. So the next weekend and I
Speaker 5: don't know, two or three weekends after that, we tried
Speaker 5: to find that road. That was, Like I said, that
Speaker 5: was in the nineties. So let me if I get
Speaker 5: this right now. And me and Mary met in ninety eight.
Speaker 5: My big foot sighting was in ninety seven, so you're
Speaker 5: looking at you know, ninety four ninety five.
Speaker 4: We ain't found that rod. I've never found that road since.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And yeah, we wasn't.
Speaker 5: It wasn't it wasn't like we were, you know, in
Speaker 5: another county.
Speaker 1: We were, you know, we were around here.
Speaker 5: I don't know whether he would remember, you know, I
Speaker 5: don't know that he would remember that that or not.
Speaker 4: But it's pretty interested that, you know, you.
Speaker 1: Cut all that one time.
Speaker 4: I can't tell you where.
Speaker 1: The roads at.
Speaker 4: I hain't never seen it. I ain't seen it since.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I didn't mention about the light of
Speaker 2: Manor Daniels saying, I can't remember if you mentioned or not.
Speaker 2: As close as it was about thirty five or forty yards,
Speaker 2: and that's that's just an estimate. It couldn't have been
Speaker 2: about maybe a six six inchir comference.
Speaker 3: It wasn't huge.
Speaker 2: I mean it was maybe about six inchir comforts is
Speaker 2: about all as big as it was, and which I
Speaker 2: found amazing too.
Speaker 3: As far as that.
Speaker 2: That's why the front my first thought was a flashlight,
Speaker 2: but it gave no indications of being a flashlight.
Speaker 3: No admitting of a beam.
Speaker 2: It did not glow around the edges, It was not moving,
Speaker 2: It did not light up the area. It didn't light
Speaker 2: us up because we were looking right at it. Where
Speaker 2: flashlight's going to do that. I don't know if any
Speaker 2: lights this is going to stop right there and not illuminate.
Speaker 3: Now that's what just blew remind on that. I mean,
Speaker 3: we can't explain what it was.
Speaker 1: I have I have one the light, one flashlight that
Speaker 1: would imitate that what we saw, But again that would
Speaker 1: if I was a stand at the distance in the
Speaker 1: same general area and terms that one particular light go
Speaker 1: on that I have that would imitate that you would
Speaker 1: see a major glare around that. Plus again, my lights,
Speaker 1: you know, we have between all of us, we all
Speaker 1: have some pretty bright lights. But this one particular light,
Speaker 1: it's a rechargeable light and it's also a power bank
Speaker 1: at the same time. But it's a handheld flashlight. And
Speaker 1: I didn't have it with me at the time. But
Speaker 1: if I was, if we were to imitate that with
Speaker 1: that light, you would see a similar light with the
Speaker 1: shape of it, even though the beam of the light
Speaker 1: the lens was only about maybe three to four inches brown.
Speaker 1: If I was saying to this, and you would see
Speaker 1: a bright, big light. But again, what we did not
Speaker 1: see is the illumination around it or a projection of
Speaker 1: a beam that projected from it, un like you would
Speaker 1: see from any other light.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right, Nata did wait, but the one that
Speaker 4: we saw was making enough.
Speaker 1: You to walk through. Yeah, this is you know if
Speaker 1: you don't right, yeah, because this particular light, I mean
Speaker 1: just from off from my view and my memory, I
Speaker 1: mean almost like the illustration that I put together, I
Speaker 1: enlarged that light because that's how about the side, even
Speaker 1: though it was a good thirty to forty yards away
Speaker 1: from us. That's about the size of what I recall,
Speaker 1: almost like like a size of a basketball. It's not
Speaker 1: a little larger. But maybe maybe that's exaggerating. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but in my view and my memory.
Speaker 2: You're you're you're not wrong on that. When when you
Speaker 2: first looked at it, it's about the size I'm describing.
Speaker 2: But the instant it went out, it did glow up
Speaker 2: a little bit bigger, not much, but you've seen the sphere, Chris,
Speaker 2: and then went.
Speaker 1: Like that.
Speaker 3: You follow what I'm saying here, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: So that's probably what's sticking in your mind right there
Speaker 2: at the end of what we've seen. But it didn't
Speaker 2: get humongus maybe about the size of the basketball, volleyball,
Speaker 2: or wherever the case may be. But when we're first
Speaker 2: seen it couldn't have been any more sixth inter comference. Yeah,
Speaker 2: later when all of a sudden, done it, when it
Speaker 2: was gone, it just went gone linked down, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, will we ever see that again? Maybe
Speaker 1: maybe not. I mean I mean, I think regardless if
Speaker 1: we understand what it is not and I think it
Speaker 1: would still be cool to see that again, maybe some
Speaker 1: other colors, you know, and.
Speaker 3: What you don't know what it is? Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like I said, comparing that to what
Speaker 1: I've seen up in Pennsylvania just less than two years ago. Yah,
Speaker 1: there's no comparison that that. It's completely different. Those lights
Speaker 1: up in Pennsylvania where nowhere as part as what we saw.
Speaker 1: And I keep saying bright, but again, it was bright
Speaker 1: because it stood out to us and even though it
Speaker 1: didn't illuminate nothing on projective being, to me, it was
Speaker 1: still a bright round light in my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 1: but now with me getting some feedback from other individuals
Speaker 1: saying yeah, that's a form of energy or for that
Speaker 1: light has something to do with the presence of Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that is the truth, we don't know that.
Speaker 1: What do we have to go by it research exactly,
Speaker 1: And like you said, David, we go out there looking
Speaker 1: for answers, but we have more We end.
Speaker 3: Up leaving more questions for the most part, we do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: When people try to give their input on what it
Speaker 2: is or what it ain't and all this other stuff,
Speaker 2: but they're not out there experiencing what most of us
Speaker 2: are out there doing Yeah, and like I said, I
Speaker 2: don't jump off the deep end. Every shadow or sender
Speaker 2: here is a big foot or a double man or
Speaker 2: nothing like that.
Speaker 1: I will know what is.
Speaker 2: If we see her here's something out of the ordinary,
Speaker 2: I won't know what it is, and I ain't got
Speaker 2: admitting to I'm not going to commit until we find out.
Speaker 2: Either get an answer or walk away without an answer.
Speaker 2: Those are the only two scenarios I've had so far.
Speaker 2: Either get an answer debunket or you go walk away
Speaker 2: without answers. Which that's why I keep going back.
Speaker 1: Right now, regardless if we have answers or not. I
Speaker 1: mean for what we experience out there. And when we
Speaker 1: do experience things out there, I'm hoping somehow, some way
Speaker 1: that we do capture them on camera, and that I
Speaker 1: want to be able to share what we experience with people.
Speaker 1: That's why I started this documentary series. Yeah, I start.
Speaker 1: You know, over the years, I've always done bigfoot field
Speaker 1: videos and me exploring and looking for things and if
Speaker 1: I find things interesting, yes, I've always shared them. You know.
Speaker 1: I've always used my camera phone, you know, and you
Speaker 1: know I have come across some very interesting things and
Speaker 1: a lot of the most interesting things I've shared on
Speaker 1: my field videos. We're interesting odd tree structures, informations, and
Speaker 1: then some bigfoot tracks that I have come across over
Speaker 1: the years and right here in Virginia. Now the whole purpose,
Speaker 1: you know, I want people to understand why did I
Speaker 1: start Bigfoot Explorers, And it's a I plan on making
Speaker 1: this series. If I could do it every month, that'd
Speaker 1: be great, but I got to work. I don't have
Speaker 1: time to go out there and constantly be out there
Speaker 1: in nature as much as I would like to. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of information. There's a lot of work
Speaker 1: behind doing these documentaries because you know, we want to
Speaker 1: gather in our interviews from my witnesses and the knowledge
Speaker 1: from those who knows things as much as we want
Speaker 1: to share our research and what we do when we
Speaker 1: go out there exploring, which you're going to see a
Speaker 1: lot of that. People want to see that, and that's
Speaker 1: what we're going to show you. We're going to show
Speaker 1: you what we do and how we do and if
Speaker 1: we capture some kind of odd experience, a weird, strange
Speaker 1: phenomena vocals, hey, if we capture that on camera or audio,
Speaker 1: I promise you. You guys are gonna see it and
Speaker 1: hear it. We're not gonna hold back. There's no sense
Speaker 1: in that. We're not gonna leave it.
Speaker 2: That's why I would like to put out more recorders
Speaker 2: at night, like like I like to do, because I
Speaker 2: have yet I've never heard a tree knock down in
Speaker 2: the woods that everybody's talking about. But when I had
Speaker 2: one of my auto recorders out and I sent you
Speaker 2: part of that clip left or the recorder out overnight
Speaker 2: at about two thirty in the morning, you could hear
Speaker 2: what sounded like a knock. I mean it was it
Speaker 2: was either somebody. It was like somebody either took two
Speaker 2: rocks and hit them together, or it was a knock
Speaker 2: against the tree. There wasn't anything breaking or falling. There
Speaker 2: was no sound after that. There was no sound before
Speaker 2: it was there. It was sudden.
Speaker 3: You hear the impact and then it was gone. What
Speaker 3: called that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've had some interesting tree doctor experiences
Speaker 1: over the years. There's been very few that I've got
Speaker 1: to pick up on audio or camera. One of the
Speaker 1: ones that I have been able to capture. No, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, no, I take that back. I have had
Speaker 1: one captured on audio while I was filming many years
Speaker 1: ago when I was camping with my daughter when she
Speaker 1: was still a teenager. We were camping out and in the
Speaker 1: same location where I take Kayden when we and him
Speaker 1: go camping. That particular spot is up behind where we
Speaker 1: all first camp together. And it was one time I
Speaker 1: was there. I was doing a video. It was a
Speaker 1: nighttime and I was recording. I was talking to on
Speaker 1: the camera about something and Brianna, my daughter, she was
Speaker 1: sitting near in her chair that was up against the
Speaker 1: tent and in the middle of my just talking and discussing.
Speaker 1: You could hear it. The audio did pick it up.
Speaker 1: There was a clear wood on wood tree knock right
Speaker 1: behind our camp and it kind of stopped me in
Speaker 1: my tracks. It's the first time I've ever picked that
Speaker 1: up on camera in audio. Now another time which it
Speaker 1: did not get picked up on audio camera because I
Speaker 1: wasn't filming. It was the one reason I'll remember this
Speaker 1: one here was because you know, my father was camping
Speaker 1: with me. It was during one of my group camp outs.
Speaker 1: It was back in two thousand and sixteen, seventeen, I
Speaker 1: think it was seventeen. I want to say seventeen, and
Speaker 1: the group of us were sitting around the campfire kind
Speaker 1: of shooting the shit, you know, talking amongst ourselves. My
Speaker 1: father had just gone into his tent. You know, he
Speaker 1: was tired, and he was it was in the sixties.
Speaker 1: He was feeling pretty cold, you know, because you know,
Speaker 1: he was taking blood figers at the time, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: he was tired and very cold, and he went to
Speaker 1: go lay down. Of course, he didn't fall asleep right away,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't even in there like ten minutes, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're dead quiet. We're sitting there
Speaker 1: around the fire, and all of a sudden, it sounds
Speaker 1: like somebody took the Louisville Slugger. And this is the
Speaker 1: best way I know how to describe it, with full
Speaker 1: four swinging against one of those big giant bullpines right
Speaker 1: across from the camp and I guess Dad being laying
Speaker 1: down in this tent, and you could hear of scurrying
Speaker 1: out of his tent, unzipping his tent and jumps up. Pops.
Speaker 1: I was like, I heard that, and I'm like I'm
Speaker 1: a standing up and he's like, I'm excited, you know,
Speaker 1: he's I know why he was getting out of his tent.
Speaker 1: I knew everybody heard it, and he's like, I heard that,
Speaker 1: and I'm pointing over where it came from. I said,
Speaker 1: I told you, and I said the words I told you.
Speaker 1: Because he's always asked me every time I can't in
Speaker 1: this general area. I've always had experiences. I heard crazy
Speaker 1: things out there, and he's always asked every time I
Speaker 1: come back from camp, we're doing what I do? He
Speaker 1: always used to ask me if he said, did you
Speaker 1: see anything, did you hear anything? Blah blah blah whatever, etc.
Speaker 1: You know, and I would only share with it what
Speaker 1: I've heard or experience. But that tree knock of Roland
Speaker 1: was something he got the experience with me, which you know,
Speaker 1: he knew there was nobody else around. We were all there.
Speaker 1: He caught up, he saw where we all were, He
Speaker 1: heard the direction where the tree knock came from. And
Speaker 1: I will tell you for those who've heard me tell
Speaker 1: my story over and over and over, and it gets
Speaker 1: hold after a time, you know, after telling that story
Speaker 1: so many times. By twenty fourteen encounter and a twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen situation happened exactly where that tree knock came from.
Speaker 1: In the same section of woods. I mean, I've heard
Speaker 1: some other weird things and moans and weird sounds and
Speaker 1: screens out of those sections of woods over the years.
Speaker 1: But to hear that tree knock come from out of
Speaker 1: that area, you know, it didn't take much convince me
Speaker 1: because I know what I experienced and I know what
Speaker 1: I saw in twenty fourteen. Dad. Dad later on ruled Allison, Well,
Speaker 1: that could have been a big tree lamb falling out
Speaker 1: of it, you know, falling out and banging, which that's possible.
Speaker 1: But I know what I'm seeing out there.
Speaker 2: I can't see because I can't see that because nocous distinct.
Speaker 2: If it's gonna be a tree lamb, you're gonna hear
Speaker 2: other ambient noise around that breaking hitting something.
Speaker 3: Falling over. I think it's going to be more incorporated
Speaker 3: into a branch falling and making one.
Speaker 1: Knock right that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my thought process, anocous distinct.
Speaker 3: Nothing before and nothing after that one sound? What CAUs is?
Speaker 3: Mom's exactly? That's my question. I mean, people, yeah, it's a.
Speaker 2: Breaking limb or a falling limb, or or rock going
Speaker 2: down the bank, But the rock rolling down the bank
Speaker 2: and another rock you're going to hear that rock rolling
Speaker 2: down the bank to again with it's gonna hit stuff
Speaker 2: along the way.
Speaker 3: Right, That's my thought.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've had these talks with Dad, I said, Dad,
Speaker 1: I said, I don't believe everything I hear is from
Speaker 1: a tree, from a bigfoot or not. But I said,
Speaker 1: I'm Dad. I said, I'm the type of person I
Speaker 1: rolled things out. I'm very objective on a lot of things.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not convinced on the first thing just
Speaker 1: because somebody said, all that was a big foot. No,
Speaker 1: I don't jump on that train. I said, it's got,
Speaker 1: it's got. It's a lot more than that. You've got
Speaker 1: to really pay attention, attention to details. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: consider the circumstances, considering the temperatures, the weather, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I get it. I've had heard things
Speaker 1: fall from trees that just you know. I've heard numerous
Speaker 1: signs limbs fall over another tree.
Speaker 4: Hm.
Speaker 1: One thing I told that. I told the other of
Speaker 1: this too. As if you hear what you believe to
Speaker 1: be a tree knock, if you think it's a limb
Speaker 1: fall out of a tree nearby, you gotta keep listening,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna hear that, well, you're gonna hear something drop,
Speaker 1: you know, unless yeah, I get it, something's fallen, get
Speaker 1: hung up. I understand that too. But knowing the history
Speaker 1: and that particular section of woods where six of us
Speaker 1: seeing three together that you know, to me, that tells
Speaker 1: me something that Okay, they'll work in that area. They
Speaker 1: come down off of a high ground into this area.
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen, a year later after my twenty fourteen encounter,
Speaker 1: I was I was camping during the hunting season because
Speaker 1: I was hunting, but it was about ten o'clock at
Speaker 1: night where I decided to walk out in the middle
Speaker 1: of the road with a spotlight in total darkness. Before
Speaker 1: I decided to turn a spot light on, I sit
Speaker 1: there and listen in total darkness. And I've shared this
Speaker 1: numerous times too, and I'll share it again. But I
Speaker 1: have experienced hearing things very large and heavy and I
Speaker 1: quote repeat large, heavy, and in parentheses by the pedal.
Speaker 1: I've heard the heavy steps walk away from me. It's
Speaker 1: twenty four and fifteen when I was camping when I
Speaker 1: I heard just prior to this, both situations. For the record,
Speaker 1: if you've never heard me tell the story, I've told
Speaker 1: it numerous times in podcasts, I've cut corners that I've
Speaker 1: told it so many times. It gets tired after a
Speaker 1: while when you tell the story over and over and
Speaker 1: over and over over me, So you try to get
Speaker 1: to the main parts, you know. But you know, hearing
Speaker 1: what I've heard and experiencing what I've heard, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's dear there was dear president prior to having both
Speaker 1: situations happened. So you know, excuse me a second. Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, I thought I thought the baby was trying
Speaker 1: to get in my room here that I heard banging
Speaker 1: on the door. Anyway. Uh, well, it's just like this
Speaker 1: area has history, that's you know, so you've got to
Speaker 1: consider the history and what's experienced there.
Speaker 2: And that's why investigative techniques come into play, like you
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about. Uh, and a lot of the
Speaker 2: techniques that people use and uh, Daniel getting what we
Speaker 2: do here in a minute, it comes from experience and
Speaker 2: getting out there in the woods. You don't go out
Speaker 2: there one night to come up with all these different
Speaker 2: ideas or ideas are always going to change terrain that's
Speaker 2: going to dictate how you what kind of technique you
Speaker 2: might use.
Speaker 3: Uh, what kind of equipment you might use.
Speaker 2: There's many things to take into account when it comes
Speaker 2: to uh, the up in your techniques, and a lot
Speaker 2: of times you're gonna wing it like we do based
Speaker 2: on given circumstances. What kind of weather you got, We're
Speaker 2: gonna go out in the day, we go out in
Speaker 2: the night. We're gonna do day and night. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do stakeouts. How we're gonna approach the situation. You got recorders,
Speaker 2: we got night vision, we got thermal I recently got
Speaker 2: me thanks to Daniel p.
Speaker 1: H.
Speaker 2: But again, there are tools to aid us in what
Speaker 2: we're doing to try to come up with answers. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm glad to catch anything which in my equipments, be
Speaker 2: it deer, rabbits, raccoons, whatever. To me, it's just fun
Speaker 2: doing it at all. But the main purpose is out
Speaker 2: there trying to catch something out of there normal. We
Speaker 2: all have ideas about techniques. Uh, Daniel wants to do
Speaker 2: something a little different one night coming up on the
Speaker 2: camp out.
Speaker 3: What was it you want to do, Daniel, Maybe go
Speaker 3: up to the lake.
Speaker 1: And oh so yeah, I mean there's a couple of
Speaker 1: things I want to do with this past group camp out.
Speaker 1: But I understand everybody wants to kind of kill you know,
Speaker 1: not everybody wants to go on.
Speaker 3: The hikes, which I get that, but people back at camp.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, we we have to have people. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: we have to have people that camp to keep on
Speaker 1: on things and because we know that things are heard
Speaker 1: and things happen around there too. So but but the
Speaker 1: thing is, uh, one of the things I really want
Speaker 1: to do, and is the lake. Anybody knows, I mean,
Speaker 1: our group knows the lake and we know what it
Speaker 1: looks like up around the lake. However, it's a perfect
Speaker 1: location to pick up audio and it has a lot
Speaker 1: of open area up there as well, so between fermals
Speaker 1: and audio, if anything's put out there, we should be
Speaker 1: able to pick up very clearly something. So my thing
Speaker 1: is when we go out there again in September, because
Speaker 1: I will you know, you guys know, I will be filming.
Speaker 1: I want I want a group of us whoever is
Speaker 1: dedicated and willing to go into the lake. And you
Speaker 1: even said it yourself when you reply back to me
Speaker 1: when I brought this up to your attention, and yeah,
Speaker 1: get up there while it was still daylight so we
Speaker 1: can get settled in and get set up. So I
Speaker 1: want somebody on audio because I'll have you know, between
Speaker 1: you or me, David, we both got we both have
Speaker 1: the same parabog mics. I want somebody working audio, you know, listening.
Speaker 1: I want somebody, you know, I mean, we're all gonna have.
Speaker 1: I mean, like me, you and David, we all have
Speaker 1: night vision. We we have you know, we have thermal.
Speaker 1: We have damn good thermal imagers. You know our cameras,
Speaker 1: I know for a fact mine, I know, I know
Speaker 1: yours does too, David. I mean, just sitting that camp
Speaker 1: looking across that huge field across from us, we can
Speaker 1: see the whole field and pick up I mean, I've
Speaker 1: picked up the deer moving behind behind the trees, in
Speaker 1: the behind the tree line. So I know if mine
Speaker 1: could do that, I know yours could do that. So
Speaker 1: imagine being up there at the top point, overlooking the
Speaker 1: lake and the surrounding area. We'll be able to pick
Speaker 1: up thermal I mean, and have good view of the
Speaker 1: whole area the audio. So I kind of want to
Speaker 1: do a stakeout and hang out there, you know, after
Speaker 1: you know, get gets that up there while it's still
Speaker 1: daylight and then hanging out there for a while, so
Speaker 1: some hours after dark, because you know around September between
Speaker 1: nine to midnight it is usually when things should start
Speaker 1: happening or hearing. I mean, then again, it's unpredictable, but
Speaker 1: I know, just based off my experiences in the past
Speaker 1: and in Elkhorn, you know, I've only picked up a
Speaker 1: lot of activity around certain hours between that type of
Speaker 1: that time of month or that time year. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely wanted to get up there and have a
Speaker 1: group of us kind of just sit and chill. I mean,
Speaker 1: bring chairs if you want to bring chairs, sit and
Speaker 1: listen and relax and document everything we can so and
Speaker 1: then of course hopefully we'll have radio communication with base
Speaker 1: that because I know that would be a little further
Speaker 1: from just going up to the lake to the gate.
Speaker 2: It's a ridgeline. It's a ridgeline. You got to take
Speaker 2: it to account. Yeah, yeah, that was what I was
Speaker 2: thinking about doing. Is uh based on that night that
Speaker 2: you want to do that.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: We went out slay licked again today to do some
Speaker 2: more walking around earlier today and uh, the stream beds
Speaker 2: that we walked by on the right hand side if
Speaker 2: you're going up to the lake before you cross the
Speaker 2: road that's got to run the water. There's a couple
Speaker 2: of wide open spots down along that stream bed that
Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind myself taking Luna and maybe one other
Speaker 2: person staking out that area where that waterway flows through there, right,
Speaker 2: and then you and whoever you take up to the
Speaker 2: lake to overlook the lake with a pair of bolic
Speaker 2: you can use a parabolic up there. Then I'll take
Speaker 2: my other equipment and set up down there along that
Speaker 2: pretty good sized waterway, and that way we got two
Speaker 2: areas saturated. And also maybe where I'll be and where
Speaker 2: you'll be and there's somebody back at camp, we might
Speaker 2: be able to establish that communication link.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think that while you're talking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, whoever goes up to the lake, if you
Speaker 2: don't have a direct line back to camp, distance ain't
Speaker 2: a problem there. It's getting through that ridge long. But
Speaker 2: that's something we're gonna have to look at when we
Speaker 2: get up there. I mean, I can set up where
Speaker 2: I'm talking about, and you all can handle it up
Speaker 2: to the lake, and then we'll try to communicate. If
Speaker 2: we can't commune, indicate where you're at, move around some
Speaker 2: until we can get that line of direct line for communication.
Speaker 2: That way, we got you where you're at, where I'm
Speaker 2: at it. We still got a link to where a
Speaker 2: base is, wherever it's back a base camp. That way,
Speaker 2: if something happens there, we know to get back or
Speaker 2: if we need additional assistance. If something would happen, God hope,
Speaker 2: hopefully no accidents would happen. Right, we can let them
Speaker 2: know to bring a vehicle, get a closer anot, maybe
Speaker 2: go call for help. Hopefully nothing like that would ever happen,
Speaker 2: because we're pretty careful when we're out there and what
Speaker 2: we're doing. We don't go out there like a bunch
Speaker 2: of cowboys and jumping from one bridge to the other
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. John, Mike, he might go out
Speaker 2: there to jump from one bridge to the other. But John,
Speaker 2: what kind of techniques are you interested in doing out there?
Speaker 2: Give us some ideas? Yeah, have you got your mute on?
Speaker 1: Are mute? Yeah? Yeah, you're muted. I hear we see
Speaker 1: in moth move but we don't hear audio. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't have he's not muted on my hand. I can hear, John, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're muted somehow.
Speaker 2: Gary that just had that post up there most of
Speaker 2: his encounters in the morning hours. Do you remember what
Speaker 2: about what time frames in the morning you may have
Speaker 2: had that your encounters for the most part.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, they think can hear us?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure John Garritter here us. I don't know
Speaker 1: what's going on with John. John you're home. Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: mighty muted somehow. I know. I didn't do nothing. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but uh, real quick, And we were
Speaker 1: talking about the lighting a little while ago. Uh in
Speaker 1: your ant venue. Have you thought of anything like? Have
Speaker 1: you like even though it could be proven and I
Speaker 1: do you have any conclusions or thoughts on what that
Speaker 1: might be? I mean, do you think that could be
Speaker 1: paranormal or do you think that could be a big
Speaker 1: lady in any shape or form.
Speaker 3: I can't speculate one way or the other. I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hmm.
Speaker 2: You know one thing I do have with my kid,
Speaker 2: then I might start bringing It's a detector. I don't
Speaker 2: know the specs on it. It's an EMF.
Speaker 3: Detector, right, I have one of them. Yeah, maybe we need.
Speaker 2: To start carrying that out there. If we do have
Speaker 2: a strange account, under turn that thing on and see
Speaker 2: if we pick up any strange readings.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 1: Now, I played around mine. I've had mine with me
Speaker 1: when we last came out. I played around with mine
Speaker 1: just around the camp.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 1: I get putting that up around camp.
Speaker 2: Whether we need to start carrying them with us that
Speaker 2: way of that or if something similar happens, we can
Speaker 2: see if we're picking anything up in the EMF range
Speaker 2: out of the ordinary. Absolutely, but doing that, you'll need
Speaker 2: to clear the area first. Like if you're going out
Speaker 2: to wherever you're hiking and stuff, pull it out occasionally
Speaker 2: just to get a reading of the area. And if
Speaker 2: everything stays neutral, and then coming back, all of a
Speaker 2: sudden something happens, pull it out if you get a
Speaker 2: different kind of reading.
Speaker 3: That stuff.
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, but I mean it's just another
Speaker 2: tool in the bag that we can use for one
Speaker 2: of our techniques that we have when we go out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it can't hurt.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. So I thought I had a couple of things.
Speaker 1: I don't have all my gigmo gadgets in front of me.
Speaker 1: I thought one of the things I would do is
Speaker 1: share with you guys what I filmed with. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: some of the filming I do use my phone. It
Speaker 1: depends on where I'm at, what I'm doing. I have
Speaker 1: had small sessions with my phone where I'll record off
Speaker 1: my phone. The phone that I use is a Samson
Speaker 1: Galaxy S twenty three Ultra. You know. So the majority
Speaker 1: of the latest upload that you've got seen if you
Speaker 1: have watched it Bigfoot Explorers, the first episode film, I
Speaker 1: have used my camp order. All right, So I bring
Speaker 1: that on camber here to show you guys. This is
Speaker 1: a cannon a at the A x one ten professional
Speaker 1: camp quarter. Uh, this is what I use to do
Speaker 1: a lot of my filming. I know, both me, David
Speaker 1: and John. We also have a very similar night vision
Speaker 1: monoculars that we use and compared to what I used
Speaker 1: to use years ago, this is like what we have
Speaker 1: is awesome because you could see a good, good field
Speaker 1: of view from our base camp and overlooking the field
Speaker 1: across from us. But this is mine right here. Uh,
Speaker 1: the ones that we have, they're probably different models or
Speaker 1: different makes, but they're all very similar and uh yeah
Speaker 1: they work amazing. Mine if you're here is a case.
Speaker 1: Like I said, they're all different brands, but they're all
Speaker 1: very similar together. But yeah, this is the one I
Speaker 1: call I use. It's called the Uh it's actually called
Speaker 1: low Sports. I mean, I've got to use it very little.
Speaker 1: I'm actually impressed with it. Of course, these night vision monoculars,
Speaker 1: they look like binoculars, but there's actually a monocular. However,
Speaker 1: they do have a pod a screw on the end
Speaker 1: where you can adapt him and put them on a tripod.
Speaker 1: I do recommend using them on a tripod. You'll have
Speaker 1: better steady video footage if you're recording. So that's one
Speaker 1: of one of a couple of things we use. The
Speaker 1: other thing, uh, my thermal image. Now, David has a
Speaker 1: really cool thermal imager he just got. My thermal imager
Speaker 1: is known as the X Infrared T two Prove. Of course,
Speaker 1: it comes with the adapt to mount your phone in
Speaker 1: a handle, you know, a handle, and uh, the camera itself,
Speaker 1: this little device right here, which I'm gonna unzip and
Speaker 1: open up very clearly, very carefully here and if you
Speaker 1: guys can see this, it's a little camera. It's a
Speaker 1: little bit bigger than a quarter, not much not much
Speaker 1: bigger than a quarter. So of course I gotta you
Speaker 1: take the lens off. But there's a camera lens and
Speaker 1: the adapter right here is a little wire that comes
Speaker 1: with it. It's a type c uh a USB cord.
Speaker 1: You plug from the camera directly into your phone and
Speaker 1: you have to have the app download the course. This
Speaker 1: is my type. It's called the T Yeah. The x
Speaker 1: Infra red T two pro picks up thermal images and
Speaker 1: it works really well. Now David has one. It's more
Speaker 1: of a monocular style that's similar to the other thermal
Speaker 1: I have. I have the thermal t K Scout. His
Speaker 1: is a different brand but works amazing. Uh. They're around
Speaker 1: the same price as what you would pay for on
Speaker 1: TK scout, but yeah, these devices work amazing. These to
Speaker 1: kind of give you a Jeff Jones rough idea of
Speaker 1: what we use out in the field when we are
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, but yeah, we learn more and more
Speaker 1: as we go, and yeah, it's pretty cool. John. You
Speaker 1: still have you still have no audio? I guess you heard?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah I can hear you?
Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Oh? There we go? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wonder what happened to you?
Speaker 4: It's my phone. Oh it's time for a new one.
Speaker 4: It's older than I am.
Speaker 1: It's time for a new phone.
Speaker 4: It's older than I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I ask you earlier, did you go out
Speaker 3: camping with us.
Speaker 2: Have you got any other ideas on different techniques that
Speaker 2: you might want to try, or any kind of ideas.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: Like I said, I like the idea that you had
Speaker 5: about you know, like so you can leave somebody at
Speaker 5: base camp and then you go up to the open
Speaker 5: spot the stream and then what you and somebody else
Speaker 5: then you seend somebody, then somebody else goes up to
Speaker 5: the to the opening where the lake is at. Like
Speaker 5: you say, maybe maybe you can between the lake and
Speaker 5: that open at your stream and the camp, you've got
Speaker 5: communication all the way around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't get up on that. Hopefully that works
Speaker 3: provided you know the ridgeline. Yeah, well that's why I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's why you pacillated in between, like playing tag is
Speaker 2: what it is, But we won't know till we got
Speaker 2: there and try. Uh yeah, I mean, I mean, if
Speaker 2: we don't don't establish communication, we're still gonna go ahead
Speaker 2: and do what we're doing stuff, but.
Speaker 3: We're not gonna know what we got.
Speaker 4: Come here right here, here, baby, look right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm in the process of upgrading my trill cams too.
Speaker 2: I'm not too happy with the cheaper ones and uh
Speaker 2: ordered me another one today.
Speaker 3: I got that one.
Speaker 2: Show Daniels a couple of pictures from I tried to
Speaker 2: do a video, but that's hard to do on Facebook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, another one today.
Speaker 1: I got a couple more.
Speaker 4: I got a couple more of those power banks coming.
Speaker 4: I have a couple more of those power banks coming.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: And I got a I hope it's gonna be a
Speaker 5: good spotlight, but it should be an excellent spotlight. Y'all
Speaker 5: need to stop buying stuff, you know, if.
Speaker 1: You want to If you want a good spotlight, that's very,
Speaker 1: very inexpensive. I use the term my camera and say,
Speaker 1: maybe sure it's bigger, but uh, hold on, let me
Speaker 1: turn it back the other way. So I have this year.
Speaker 1: It's actually from Walmart. I don't use that at often.
Speaker 1: But this one here is the ever Start Max and
Speaker 1: it's uh it's pretty bright right though, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and I did not bring this with me last time,
Speaker 1: but it's good to have on hands as a backup anyway.
Speaker 1: Nice little spotlight. Doesn't mean you need to go out
Speaker 1: and get one.
Speaker 3: Okay, No, I ain't get spotlight.
Speaker 4: This is off of each other.
Speaker 1: Well, this is inexpensive. I've had this for a while
Speaker 1: this is from Walmart.
Speaker 3: So but I ain't carrying no spot light out in
Speaker 3: the woods.
Speaker 1: No, No, I mean it's good for a backup light
Speaker 1: when you if you need to see your way out anywhere.
Speaker 3: So flash flight of my pockets before I carry a
Speaker 3: flash flight to me.
Speaker 2: To me, it's all personal choice. To me that out
Speaker 2: on out in the woods, hiking after dark, that's burdensome.
Speaker 2: So i'might have loan in one hand, I might have
Speaker 2: a spotlight in the other. No, that that ain't gonna happen, No,
Speaker 2: because I'm not. I don't walk around with the one
Speaker 2: half the time.
Speaker 1: Well I have something. I have something from both Melissa
Speaker 1: and Mary. So John, you'll have to show Marry this.
Speaker 1: So when you guys come out to the next camp out.
Speaker 1: Oh boy, it's a cookie cutter, a big foot shape
Speaker 1: cookie good god, oh my, make brownie's and cookies. Come
Speaker 1: on now, get these off Amazon. So you want like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean it all goes down the same way. So
Speaker 1: either way, I mean that's you. Whoever wants to whoever
Speaker 1: wants to make the brownie of cookies, go ahead, big Foot.
Speaker 2: Could I've got a better idea? Those those fried biscuits
Speaker 2: that Mary likes to make. She can make him in
Speaker 2: shape of a big foot.
Speaker 3: Through that screen that smack you.
Speaker 1: Oh lord looks like John wyn m I A yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmmmm. But you're not eliminated, you know.
Speaker 1: Like oh Jo, he's changing his underwear. Ah. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to find a better signal. Go there you are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I need I need a new phone.
Speaker 1: I'm walking around here.
Speaker 4: Baby here, baby, there they are see them, you see them?
Speaker 1: Huh he here's y'all talking.
Speaker 4: Here's y'all.
Speaker 1: He's looking for you. Oh over here in my house.
Speaker 1: I'm believing or not that was Believe it or not?
Speaker 1: That was the baby.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, I know what Diaz means on here
Speaker 2: about the family bills come first there.
Speaker 3: Trust us.
Speaker 2: The equipment that we have, we did not go out
Speaker 2: and buy. That took several years to accumulate. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then from there, based on what we're doing, we might
Speaker 2: upgrade here and there. Like I am a trail Caemis
Speaker 2: right now, I can't go out and buy everything under
Speaker 2: the sun without doing research, finding someone that's got to
Speaker 2: see how it works first.
Speaker 3: Because people waste a lot of money doing that.
Speaker 2: They want to buy stuff, and then we're not really
Speaker 2: liking then there sitting back and not doing any good.
Speaker 3: To me, that's wasting money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he showed me what the trail cameras you're updating
Speaker 1: to and you're changing to. When I was at work
Speaker 1: earlier today, I started prowsing off on you know, just
Speaker 1: checking out different trail cameras, and I found one very
Speaker 1: similar to what you described. I don't it's probably most
Speaker 1: likely it's not the same one, but it had the
Speaker 1: same inspects that you described and shared. Yeah, and this
Speaker 1: one had some very good reviews on it, so I
Speaker 1: was like, well, it's a good price, and I put
Speaker 1: it in my safe for later list.
Speaker 3: So don't go buy the reviews on Amazon and stuff.
Speaker 3: Don't do that. Yeah, down the mardele.
Speaker 2: Go on YouTube and pull up videos to people that
Speaker 2: actually have that product. Right, Oh yeah, they say they
Speaker 2: will show examples from that us see if it's gonna
Speaker 2: fitt your needs. Because I'm here to tell you if
Speaker 2: people think because it's got sixty four megapixel camera, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a banger of a diagone picture taker,
Speaker 2: that's not the case. People don't understand that kind of
Speaker 2: stuff when it comes to pixels and You got to
Speaker 2: remember these trail cams, it's very little sensors in them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I guarantee you you could take that same size
Speaker 2: sensor that's an eight megapixel. I'm going to give you
Speaker 2: better quality pictures than a sixty four because the dialds
Speaker 2: are bigger. There's a few others. There's less of them
Speaker 2: on and they're bigger to gather. Like you cram sixty
Speaker 2: four megapixels, million million of them megapixels. When a little
Speaker 2: bitty sensor, it's gonna be good for the initial picture taking.
Speaker 2: If you try to crop in, it's gonna pixelate like that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not gonna pixelate because of the small sensor.
Speaker 3: So go on YouTube.
Speaker 2: Make sure the initial picture that these people have the product.
Speaker 2: They'll show you what it looks like and otherwise you're
Speaker 2: gonna wait. Stay off of reviews on Amazon because people
Speaker 2: are paid to do that kind of stuf up to
Speaker 2: people know that that they write their own reviews. People
Speaker 2: are paid to write reviews to try to sell the product.
Speaker 2: I don't trust Amazon when it comes all the order stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do my own reviews. I'll go to YouTube
Speaker 2: get actual video to people that bought that product and
Speaker 2: they will show you what's what's.
Speaker 3: Capable of doing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't don't put it in your
Speaker 2: wish list. Just write it down on a piece of blay.
Speaker 2: You put it in the wish list, remember the name.
Speaker 2: But go on YouTube and do do your own research.
Speaker 1: Yeah. People type of cameras I like to use, if
Speaker 1: and it's hard to come across them, but the cameras
Speaker 1: I like to use a lot of cameras, game cameras,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people know this, A lot of.
Speaker 3: Them to use that.
Speaker 1: I are the infrared. But I've come to find that
Speaker 1: the ones that use what they call the no glow
Speaker 1: or the invisible flash, those there tend to do really well.
Speaker 1: So those are the ones that try to look at Do.
Speaker 3: You know the difference between no glow and uh, the glow?
Speaker 1: Well, the no glow does not use it like all right.
Speaker 1: For example, infrared, I've always used infrared. You can you
Speaker 1: can have an infrared camera set up in the woods
Speaker 1: and you walk by it and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you see the infrared. Therefore, if you see it, the
Speaker 1: wildlife see it. I can walk by same thing with
Speaker 1: a no glow and you can walk by it, it's
Speaker 1: taking your picture or video, or you're not seeing no
Speaker 1: glow off of it.
Speaker 3: But it's still infrared. It's called black light.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's using a different type of technology though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, still infrared. It's just a black light.
Speaker 2: It's non detectable but human eyes, right, And depending on
Speaker 2: the glow, you get different. You got the ones to
Speaker 2: put out a real good glow for taking pictures out
Speaker 2: the dark, and then you got those on down to
Speaker 2: like minimal glow to where you hardly ever see it
Speaker 2: unless you're looking directly at the camera.
Speaker 3: I mean, you got right on.
Speaker 2: And that's why people people by stuff without really not
Speaker 2: understanding of how that product works, and then they wonder
Speaker 2: why they don't.
Speaker 3: Get results or it's not meeting their expectations.
Speaker 2: People do the research, see what people say that have
Speaker 2: the equipment that does reviews on the equipment.
Speaker 3: You've you've got to do that, don't don't don't waste
Speaker 3: your money.
Speaker 1: Right Hey let's uh no, no, I agree, I totally
Speaker 1: get that. I want to switch gears real real quick.
Speaker 1: I want to I want to cover something else, and
Speaker 1: I shared I've sent you a screenshot of one of
Speaker 1: the comments. Uh comments from one of the uh uh
Speaker 1: comments I had on the recent uploading, So it was
Speaker 1: only one individual that said anything like this. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know who this individual is. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know take on things. I don't know what makes him
Speaker 1: an expert or not it all on all this. But
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if he watched the whole video.
Speaker 1: I really don't know. He's probably just seeing enough of
Speaker 1: the I don't know. I really don't know how much
Speaker 1: of the video of this individual watch. But he left
Speaker 1: the comment regarding what we do and what we did
Speaker 1: out there according to what I uploaded, and in the video,
Speaker 1: he went on to say that he called us. I'll
Speaker 1: say it right here. He said, oh, this is such
Speaker 1: a joke. He said, you go out there with a
Speaker 1: group of people, go out there with German shepherds, and
Speaker 1: then he went on to say some other stuff. I
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what he said, but he says, that's
Speaker 1: no way to hunt anything. For one thing, hunting anything, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's people that take dogs out to go hunt bears,
Speaker 1: but that ain't what we were doing anyway. You know,
Speaker 1: we you know, we always welcome Luna. We love having
Speaker 1: Luna there, you know, I've actually picked up and learned
Speaker 1: a few things from observing her. I mean, she's still
Speaker 1: a pup. She's still learning the outdoors and the senses
Speaker 1: of things. She you know, a lot of it's new
Speaker 1: to her, you know. So you know, you pay attention
Speaker 1: to a dog when you're out there in the woods,
Speaker 1: you know, regardless they're trained to pick up certain things
Speaker 1: or not. They're alerted to things, They sense things, things
Speaker 1: that we don't pick up, you know, things that we
Speaker 1: can't pick up. But you know, so you know, I
Speaker 1: don't understand why people want to be negative or I
Speaker 1: should say more ignorant.
Speaker 2: Well, because the things out there don't do anything to
Speaker 2: fill us. They're not an expert. There's snow set technique
Speaker 2: that anybody can use. It's fool proof. Everybody does things
Speaker 2: different to try to give results. And for somebody to
Speaker 2: set back to take a bunch of people out there.
Speaker 2: You're doing this, you're doing that, you got a dog
Speaker 2: with you. That don't mean we're wrong in what we're doing.
Speaker 2: We're doing a little different than what other people do.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't understand the mindset of some people.
Speaker 2: It's like they want to get people's feathers in the
Speaker 2: rough for no reason at all. There's no set, nobody's
Speaker 2: an expert. Nothing's been really proven or disproven on any
Speaker 2: of this that we're out there looking at. We'd have
Speaker 2: encounters that people have had. We've had what's called the
Speaker 2: noors that's actually seen it. I have not, but that's
Speaker 2: because the way we do it, we're wrong from what
Speaker 2: other people do. Now it's he criticizing those that go
Speaker 2: out there with a full camera crew to put on TV.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't understand people's mindset. Just like they're
Speaker 2: out there, they're running around making noise. They got people
Speaker 2: with them, they got guards with them, they got a
Speaker 2: bare guards the case they run into a bear carrying
Speaker 2: weapons and stuff like that. I mean, that's the way
Speaker 2: they do it for what they're trying to do for
Speaker 2: their program. We go out different with different techniques. You've
Speaker 2: done this for years without even taking a dog out there.
Speaker 3: Then we met you.
Speaker 2: We went out about a year or so without a dog,
Speaker 2: and then I got looted. Then we incorporate and corporates
Speaker 2: are into it. Because I wanted her out there. For one,
Speaker 2: it's maybe early warning for something dangerous. Two to see
Speaker 2: how she were accing in to give a situation, and three.
Speaker 2: Sometimes dogs may be able to make something happen.
Speaker 3: Maybe we're not going to know until we do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't understand anyone's mindset to try to
Speaker 2: criticize or put down the way certain groups do what
Speaker 2: they do.
Speaker 3: I challenge that person to come out there and do
Speaker 3: what we do.
Speaker 1: Do they.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2: If you go out what do they do, elaborate on
Speaker 2: what they do, give share it, share of their knowledge
Speaker 2: on why they think it should be or not be.
Speaker 2: You just go out there and put somebody down or
Speaker 2: group down on what they're doing, just just to try
Speaker 2: to make their point. All that does is turn people off.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't hurt my feelings any I could
Speaker 2: care less what anybody thinks. We're out there doing what
Speaker 2: we're doing. I'm enjoin what we're doing. We've come across
Speaker 2: things you can't explain, and and so far she has
Speaker 2: been any deterred on any of that. Because we don't
Speaker 2: know how anything's gonna respond right, And there's gonna be
Speaker 2: times we're gonna split up, Like if we do that
Speaker 2: camp out coming up, I'm gonna be in one spot,
Speaker 2: you're gonna go about maybe another quarter mile left the
Speaker 2: road to get on the ridge line. So we're not
Speaker 2: even gonna be together by me doing that to cast
Speaker 2: activity to.
Speaker 3: Come your way.
Speaker 2: You're going up there and may call it that activity
Speaker 2: come my way. There's no set pattern on what we
Speaker 2: do out there. We'll continue doing I mean, that's sure.
Speaker 3: Nobody's gonna sway me one way or the other. As
Speaker 3: far as that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as far as I cern, like we talked.
Speaker 2: About, group has that kind of mindset. I mean, oh yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: everybody's open minded. We'll go out, we have fun. We
Speaker 2: don't have ideas and what we're going to do. John
Speaker 2: America comes out with prejus Well, I mean I want
Speaker 2: them to keep doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's right. I mean yeah, like like you
Speaker 1: said yourself, I mean, and I talked about this on
Speaker 1: walks in the past, we have a good enough connection.
Speaker 1: There's no right way or wrong way to conduct research.
Speaker 1: I mean we're, like I said, we go out there
Speaker 1: to have a good time and you know, explore. You know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter if you have a dog or not.
Speaker 1: I can't hear them. It doesn't It does not prevent
Speaker 1: you from finding things, you know, or more experiences the connection.
Speaker 1: Today when we were out of water, it's mind to
Speaker 1: them with them to me. We hear you gone, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't John, can you hear us? You're talking on
Speaker 1: the top of h David, we can hear you. Need
Speaker 1: to go.
Speaker 3: To my biggest phone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, John, we hear you.
Speaker 2: We hear talking.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Here's something strange that happened today. While we were out
Speaker 2: of slate. Lake was coming back from trying to find
Speaker 2: her head bands. She's lost out there the last time
Speaker 2: we were out there. But we were coming back walking
Speaker 2: back to the truck. It was about maybe a quarter
Speaker 2: mile away from it, and for no reason, Luna went
Speaker 2: for a couple of times, she stopped, looked at us
Speaker 2: and whimpered.
Speaker 1: A couple of times.
Speaker 3: She's never done that before. I was weird. Why does
Speaker 3: she do that? I have no idea.
Speaker 2: She wasn't hurting, she's walking fine. She that's irrelevant adult sniff.
Speaker 2: But why did she whimper? Could she send something out
Speaker 2: of the ordinary at that point in time to make
Speaker 2: her uneasy?
Speaker 4: And also the birds stopped?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the birds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was quiet, except.
Speaker 3: And during that time frame it was quiet. Yeah, quiet.
Speaker 2: I got well, I got quiet before then, but we
Speaker 2: really noticed the quietness after she stopped and whimpered a
Speaker 2: couple of times. She's never done that before, so that
Speaker 2: raises another question. She sent something out of the ordinary, right,
Speaker 2: I don't know, something, something that put her on edge
Speaker 2: a little bit. I can't answer that.
Speaker 1: And see when when that's noticed, when we noticed that
Speaker 1: she's alerted to something. We don't see or hear things
Speaker 1: that they hear, so that gives us that extra incentive
Speaker 1: to really stop and pay you know, try to become
Speaker 1: alert and maybe look around and perhaps experience something.
Speaker 3: But see, that's what anything about it. I mean that
Speaker 3: when you get a dog, you get to know one.
Speaker 2: We've seen her alert on things before, catches her attention
Speaker 2: and stuff like I guess you'll hear something. She's looking
Speaker 2: in that direction and wanted to go to her for
Speaker 2: the most part, but she wasn't doing that during this timeframe.
Speaker 2: She stopped, she was looking at us, and she whimpered.
Speaker 3: Nothing. She wasn't trying to sense anything around the area.
Speaker 3: You follow what I'm trying to say?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And then a few seconds later I just
Speaker 2: said something to her, and then we just started walking
Speaker 2: and everything was fine for that moment.
Speaker 4: I don't know because I don't think they can hear me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can hear you, John, We hear you, hear me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we've been hearing you.
Speaker 5: Hear Mary too, yeahead, Yeah, my signal is is awful.
Speaker 5: I can hear every second or third words, y'all say.
Speaker 4: Then it clears up. It's my phone.
Speaker 1: I know it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you look at it chopping.
Speaker 1: Mary. Give him my new phone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I was trying to get it connected to
Speaker 5: the laptop and it wouldn't let me on.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't let me on on the laptop.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. Yeah, get a new phone. You
Speaker 1: would afford it. Stop.
Speaker 4: We also know you can afford a new phone, so
Speaker 4: I can stop buying stuff. I give me a new phone.
Speaker 4: That's all Damon's fault.
Speaker 3: Yeah my phone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can't have.
Speaker 1: That to you. Well, we're gonna upgrade next time and stay.
Speaker 1: Not just bring a Luna, but we're gonna bring John's
Speaker 1: gonna bring off the cats.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's trying to eat John's phone cord.
Speaker 4: A dog.
Speaker 2: But that's another reason why I like taking Luna or
Speaker 2: anybody else that takes a dog something, and the dog
Speaker 2: alerts you to something based on any given circumstances. That
Speaker 2: puts you in a right frame of mind. It changes
Speaker 2: your frame of mind to where it makes you more
Speaker 2: aware of what's going around you, to where it eliminates
Speaker 2: or reduces the possibility of you getting caught off guard.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be something for what we're out
Speaker 2: there looking for. It could be a bear in the
Speaker 2: area that we don't know that's there. That she made sense,
Speaker 2: It makes you more aware to where maybe you're not
Speaker 2: gonna get caught off guard. You're gonna be better prepared
Speaker 2: for a possible encounter of some type. Not that that
Speaker 2: will happened. It just put you in that mindset going
Speaker 2: down to spind a few times too.
Speaker 3: You never know.
Speaker 2: But I mean, it didn't me, but it just it
Speaker 2: just she whimpered a couple of times. I don't know
Speaker 2: why she did that. I don't know, but it did.
Speaker 2: It did make us pay more attention to our surroundings
Speaker 2: as we was walking back to the truck. Why would
Speaker 2: she whimper? Nothing else caught her attention. She was looking
Speaker 2: at us as she whimpered twice. I can't explain it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, she picked up on something, that's
Speaker 1: for sure. She definitely did something made her uneasy. I mean,
Speaker 1: if we don't know what now, I've heard just a
Speaker 1: couple of rare stories from an individual I use to
Speaker 1: associate with that where he used to talk about bear
Speaker 1: hunters in his area. Their dogs used to be running
Speaker 1: out there in the woods and they would be coming
Speaker 1: back there was after a period of time, they would
Speaker 1: running back cowardly back to their owner, you know, like
Speaker 1: need the dogs that are trained to hunt down and
Speaker 1: track down bear. I mean it makes you wonder every
Speaker 1: what's scaring him out in those woods, you know. But
Speaker 1: he makes you really.
Speaker 2: Wonder people too, just like Dave came out and met
Speaker 2: with you last summer, had that strange happening that him
Speaker 2: and his group could not understand, and he had to
Speaker 2: come out and talk to you. Yeah, come out and
Speaker 2: talk to you at camp, remember that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I definitely appreciate you. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: and they heard that vocal worried above them. Uh. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: we got to.
Speaker 3: Get out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I believe he would.
Speaker 5: I believe he believes everything. I believe he saw and
Speaker 5: saint and heard what he said that he did. You know,
Speaker 5: he to me it didn't seem like he was making
Speaker 5: a thing.
Speaker 2: And for him to make the trip to us, yeah
Speaker 2: from come on, Yeah, that that that's credibility to it.
Speaker 2: I mean he had to get it off his tests.
Speaker 2: And you could tell in the affection in his voice
Speaker 2: that he was uneasy about what he could not explain.
Speaker 2: We couldn't give him answers. We don't give him ideas, right,
Speaker 2: but I don't know, John.
Speaker 3: Oh and here's uh, what did you do? Take Mary's phone?
Speaker 4: You can he no, mind is cleared up. Don't worrybody, Ante.
Speaker 3: Got mind of his own.
Speaker 4: Well, hers is not a whole lot better than mine.
Speaker 1: We need a couple of new funds there you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I guess that's what we'll do tomorrow.
Speaker 4: Go go buy new phones.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because sometimes when you have a phone for so long,
Speaker 1: you can only update it so many times, so it
Speaker 1: needs so the updates. And no not you know, don't
Speaker 1: work on the phone anymore, ye.
Speaker 4: Think, Yeah, well the phones are about ten years old, so.
Speaker 3: Wow, yeah, you need not break Yeah, I think it's time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are your comments on here. Yeah, you got
Speaker 2: to get to know the woods in the surrounding areas. Uh,
Speaker 2: So you don't give rid because the woods can be
Speaker 2: unforgiving when you're out there. Not saying that don't go
Speaker 2: out and enjoy yourself, but if if you're going to
Speaker 2: get off the beaten path and to get out there
Speaker 2: and ruffle a little bit, try to go with people
Speaker 2: that's been out there before. Uh yeah, especially if you
Speaker 2: you at it. Don't take a needless chances because it's
Speaker 2: something because like where we're at, half of them think
Speaker 2: our cell phone service, So you got to you got
Speaker 2: to take that into account too. If you need help,
Speaker 2: you may not have a way to even call for help,
Speaker 2: So you got to have a backup for that. Let
Speaker 2: people know you're going, what time you're planning on being
Speaker 2: back for one. That way, if you're not back by
Speaker 2: the specified specified time, they know where to come look
Speaker 2: to see if you need any help.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My other thing is too, You got to know, I
Speaker 1: like to keep kidding out to the woods and stuff too,
Speaker 1: and and and not just having him with me, but
Speaker 1: myself in general, you know. And this this fought should
Speaker 1: be in everybody's head because especially this time of year,
Speaker 1: the warm weather. Uh. And I followed these certain Facebook groups.
Speaker 2: And even though.
Speaker 1: What I've been seeing from these posts, they're coming from
Speaker 1: several different states. But you know, we both know here
Speaker 1: in Virginia we got a lot of venomous snakes, rattlesnakes comprehends,
Speaker 1: and see like the rattle states are becoming more common
Speaker 1: as far as sightings go to, you know, Pennsylvania. I
Speaker 1: was up in Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania's got a lot of rail states.
Speaker 1: But but you know, it's just that's something that concerned
Speaker 1: me too, is uh, you know, And I know David,
Speaker 1: you you know, you were you know, snake boots, which
Speaker 1: you know I've actually been looking into getting some or
Speaker 1: you know some other gator you know, some high you know,
Speaker 1: some put on.
Speaker 4: But but.
Speaker 1: That's one thing I'm very cautious about when I go
Speaker 1: out there. Like when I went last went out the
Speaker 1: Slate Lake to go pick up my cameras, you know,
Speaker 1: I was like it along and yeah, I saw, showed
Speaker 1: you that picture of the rattlesnake I came across. He
Speaker 1: was just showing in the woods that was up behind
Speaker 1: the field, just inside the tree line.
Speaker 3: And then when we.
Speaker 1: Get across, his rattle was not out. It was fuck
Speaker 1: underneath of them, you know.
Speaker 2: And then there were the timber rattler we've seen uh
Speaker 2: last year at Elkhorn, Yeah, year before last.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're out there, they're all over the place. They're
Speaker 3: more common.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But again, the rattlesnakes of copperhends, they're not aggressive snakes.
Speaker 1: You don't want, we don't want to piss one off.
Speaker 3: They're not.
Speaker 2: They're they're not going to chase you down. You could
Speaker 2: walk right by him as long as you don't post
Speaker 2: a threat to them. Nine times out of ten, they're
Speaker 2: not gonna do nothing.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you disturbed one like a rattlesnake, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: gonna probably hear the tail rattle. For the most part,
Speaker 2: that's under guaranteed. But people need to understand the behavior.
Speaker 2: Not only have snakes, but any wild animals in the
Speaker 2: environment you're going in. And we've we've talked about this before,
Speaker 2: but again we've talked.
Speaker 3: About you all wearing snake boots.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I hate to see somebody gets accidentally get a bit
Speaker 2: while you're out there, especially in the terrain you go
Speaker 2: that's over boots. I got the tall ones that come
Speaker 2: up to my knees. But again, even snake boots, and
Speaker 2: I to guarantee they're okay for ground snakes that's on
Speaker 2: the ground. If you're stepping up and over logs, rocks,
Speaker 2: they climb trees. You gotta be aware of everything, but
Speaker 2: you also got to take care of, primarily not a
Speaker 2: percent of time.
Speaker 3: Where your feet's going, and then be where everything. But
Speaker 3: I wear them.
Speaker 2: I'm always gonna wear them because I gotta go slow anyway.
Speaker 2: And I gotta keep an eye on Luna because I
Speaker 2: don't want.
Speaker 3: To get her bit.
Speaker 2: I gotta pay attention ahead of her best I can
Speaker 2: to keep her from getting bit with anything. But and
Speaker 2: then Melista, she just wears her dag on ankle boots.
Speaker 2: I got chaps for her to put on.
Speaker 3: But she doesn't do it.
Speaker 1: I mean.
Speaker 3: Safety, safety, safety, safety where we go. Nothing to guarantee.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 2: Medical bills, woman, don't fund enough medical bills. But yeah,
Speaker 2: just misting as much as you're out there, Daniel, you
Speaker 2: need to get you something to wear for that party,
Speaker 2: because we all get distracted when we're walking through the wood,
Speaker 2: we all get distracted. At least protect yourself the best
Speaker 2: you can, because trust me, a sixty dollars pair of
Speaker 2: snake boots might save you a two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: medical bills, right because anti venomous walt cheap.
Speaker 3: If you need it.
Speaker 2: Because most fights are dry, anyw like eight for one
Speaker 2: small It depends on that's very suspending on where you're at.
Speaker 2: But granted a lot of steak bites and dry bikes,
Speaker 2: but that's not guarantee. If you need to innovate them,
Speaker 2: that's gonna be one hell of a doctor's film.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I don't think I would ever want to
Speaker 1: get a bit by any stake.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I wouldn't either. I mean, that's minimized it
Speaker 2: the best I can. But you take care of the
Speaker 2: ground stuff. But you still gotta be aware of like
Speaker 2: I said, logs, rocks, all that other stuff, copperhends, like
Speaker 2: the kind trees going after cicadas and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: You gotta be worried, you know. I mean, we're making
Speaker 2: it sound like people need to be paranoid. That's not
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Just all you gotta do is just be.
Speaker 2: Comfortable and aware of your surroundings and know all the
Speaker 2: wildlife that's in.
Speaker 3: That area and how they are, how how how they behave,
Speaker 3: how they react or the bears.
Speaker 2: How you gonna approach the bear snakes walk around, you know,
Speaker 2: carry a good walk of stick. You can move them
Speaker 2: out of the way if you need to, or go
Speaker 2: back the other way, the choice. But you got to
Speaker 2: know the area. And you said that many times yourself, Daniel.
Speaker 2: You gotta know the known before you go out for
Speaker 2: the unknown to try to get answer for that. So,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, everything hand in hand.
Speaker 3: When you're out there.
Speaker 2: People they take too much for granted, they get too comfortable,
Speaker 2: and then that's when things happen.
Speaker 3: Them back.
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I've been a lot trying to watch
Speaker 1: a lot of shot mm hmmm. So yeah, I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward to September. It's just a round. It's just right
Speaker 1: around the corner. I mean, we're or almost done here
Speaker 1: in July. August is approaching here within the next week.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I got some stuff. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm already got scheduled the film, you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of interviews that's going to be going towards the next
Speaker 1: uh you know session, the next video upload I'll be
Speaker 1: working on. And so but yeah, we're gonna, like I
Speaker 1: definitely want to go out there, Like we'll talk more
Speaker 1: about a few things offline. You know, Like I said,
Speaker 1: you know, it's very important that we're all in sync together,
Speaker 1: organized and all that good stuff like you know, and
Speaker 1: as we talked about earlier in this lot of stream,
Speaker 1: and we want people to know what we're working on,
Speaker 1: what we're put what we're putting together. We're we're not
Speaker 1: staging nothing. We're not you know, we're not a film crew.
Speaker 1: We're not you know, I do record and film and
Speaker 1: you know, and put the film and the footage together,
Speaker 1: you know, things where everything fits into place. You know.
Speaker 1: So we want you guys, the viewers, to be a
Speaker 1: part of what we're doing because you know, everybody lets
Speaker 1: a good field video, I mean, and we're just making
Speaker 1: it more of a you know, yeah, it's going to
Speaker 1: be you know, these documentaries there, it's going to be
Speaker 1: a field video. But you know, we want to make
Speaker 1: it informative, educational, you know, for those who don't get
Speaker 1: don't get to get out there. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: people that you know that can't make it out there.
Speaker 1: I mean I've been contacted by people, well, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to get out there with your group, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to be up to you know, if you
Speaker 1: guys have a good time, you know, they know we
Speaker 1: experience things and see things sometimes, but you know, and
Speaker 1: they want to be a part of that and hope
Speaker 1: that they get to experience something too. I encourage it,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, like I said, we've had we
Speaker 1: have our ainatd group, which you know, we've all come
Speaker 1: to trust each other and you know, and so you know,
Speaker 1: I do try to be careful. You know, if somebody
Speaker 1: new comes along, you know, if we do allow them
Speaker 1: to come along, we're taking a chance, and we don't
Speaker 1: know who they are. We really don't know much about them.
Speaker 1: You know. We don't want nobody coming out there hoaxing
Speaker 1: or trying to pull a fast one, you know, because
Speaker 1: we do try to pay attention to detail. And if
Speaker 1: somebody wants to pull a fast one, you know, most
Speaker 1: likely we will probably pick up on that.
Speaker 2: That could be easily rectified. But we're glad to get
Speaker 2: new members. I don't like to get new members. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: more hands and more we could do out there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if anybody wants to show their butt, per se, that's
Speaker 2: easily picked up one, and then we just eliminated them
Speaker 2: from the group. I mean, we we we don't need it.
Speaker 2: We don't need that kind of bs going around stuff
Speaker 2: like that. We want credibility.
Speaker 3: It's what we want. Let it happen. Let it happen
Speaker 3: will show what we do. Whether we get something or not,
Speaker 3: We're gonna keep it real.
Speaker 2: I got to keep it real. I have from my
Speaker 2: own peace of mind. I got to keep it real
Speaker 2: because I want my own answers.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: And if we never find any good answers, I'm having
Speaker 2: fun just being out there with the people will go
Speaker 2: with and that's part of it. Yeah, but we've already
Speaker 2: had some strange things happen, and I'm ready to get
Speaker 2: back out there again.
Speaker 3: So I was September is right around the corner.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's only a month and a half away from
Speaker 1: being out there again. And you know, so, I'm definitely
Speaker 1: looking forward to it. So with five five five biscuits
Speaker 1: and anything else want to want to contribute.
Speaker 3: You heard her laughing in the background.
Speaker 1: Some more homemad some if you want, Mary she wants
Speaker 1: to go. Now, we'll get those biscuits going and some
Speaker 1: more homemade chili will be good. I'm retired, I'll retired.
Speaker 3: I can meet her out there if she wants to go.
Speaker 1: But yeah, guys, I mean we can probably go on
Speaker 1: and shot more and more and more. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a you know, they said, you know, in in the
Speaker 1: near future before the group camp out or even at
Speaker 1: the camp out. I mean, there's a few things we'll
Speaker 1: talk and discuss and go over and you know, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I do believe I need to touch space with him.
Speaker 1: But Craig and his wife, I know they want. The
Speaker 1: last time I talked to them, they were talking about
Speaker 1: when they come back out again. So we'll see how
Speaker 1: that goes. We may possibly have a new you know,
Speaker 1: you know, a new new person or so we'll see
Speaker 1: how that turns out, or who wants to. Like I
Speaker 1: don't talked to Pete. I don't know Pete wants to
Speaker 1: come back out or not, so you know, kind of
Speaker 1: see how that turns out. But you know, it was
Speaker 1: great having everybody that came out to the last group
Speaker 1: camp out there. It was a lot of fun, you know,
Speaker 1: And yeah we had a little bit of rain, but
Speaker 1: you know, hey, that's part of campaign. I like, I
Speaker 1: like that's actually kind of cool though, especially if if
Speaker 1: you're sleeping in your tin of night and raining out.
Speaker 1: I sleep good in the rain.
Speaker 2: Well, you guys have the different elements different dynamics about
Speaker 2: camping when you came to me, that's just as to
Speaker 2: the research.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, h yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh my Melissa's got to get up at three are
Speaker 2: what time is it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was getting ready to come to a
Speaker 1: clothes anyway, because uh yeah, I know my my daughter.
Speaker 3: Is staying here.
Speaker 1: So we got my daughter and a little and and
Speaker 1: the little baby Liam, my my youngest grandson. They're both
Speaker 1: staying here right now, so I'll go see what they're up.
Speaker 3: To keep them out of trouble.
Speaker 1: Absolutely so. But hey guys, we're gonna call it a night.
Speaker 1: I want to thank you guys for jumping on here
Speaker 1: and we will all talk soon you're here in the
Speaker 1: near future.
Speaker 3: But thank you everybody like that.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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