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Speaker 2: So some breaking.

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Speaker 1: News today that could affect the North Carolina General Assembly

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and the ability to override the governor's vetos, at least

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in the short term. So the story is that a

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North Carolina state lawmaker representing Guildford County has been charged

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within decent liberties with a child as well as statutory rape.

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The representative is Cecil Brockman. I have interviewed Cecil Brockman

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in the past. He was one of the very few

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republic or Democrats. Rather, he's a Democrat. He is one

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of the very few Democrats that would ever cross over

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to vote with Republicans, specifically on school choice issues. He

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was a proponent of school vouchers, the opportunity scholarship program

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more competition, and so he was arrested yesterday charged and

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he makes his first court appearance today at two pm.

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The county's detention center website says he lays out the

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charges he was picked up yesterday, and that is from

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w XII twelve dot com. So the reaction is now

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pouring in in the last couple of hours here as

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people became aware of his arrest after the news broke

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a few hours ago. This from the McClatchy papers, The

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News and Observer, the Charlotte Observer, and the Durham Herald's Son,

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all owned by McClatchy. This story is by Avi Bajpai,

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who is he's the politics state politics reporter for the papers.

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Top North Carolina Democrats and Republicans called on Representative Cecil Brockman,

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a Democrat, to immediately resign after he was arrested and

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charged Wednesday with taking indecent liberties with a child and

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statutory rape. I believe he's facing two charges in each

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of those categories. North Carolina Democratic Party chair Anderson Clayton,

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who's Breezy, said in a social media post this morning

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that Brockman should resign effective immediately. I am as surprised

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as anybody, but kind of not really. I will explain

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why Democrats are dare, i say, seizing on the opportunity

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here to call for him to resign. She said the

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profound seriousness of these criminal charges makes it impossible to

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represent his community. House Speaker Destin Hall said that the

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charges against Brockman are shocking and extremely serious. Given the

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evidence that's publicly known, he should resign immediately, so these

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charges do not distract from the work of the North

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Carolina House. Then there is this statement from the House

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Minority Leader Robert Reeves, the top Democrat in the House.

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He said that the allegations against Brockman are serious and

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if true, would disqualify him from public office. He added

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that this is a developing situation and it's important to

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let the legal process unfold. So he I mean, he

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kind of pulled up short there. It sounds like, right,

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he didn't say he should step down. He's saying they're

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serious charges and if true, would disqualify him. Well, you

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know what's your standard to determine if they are true? Well,

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that would be the criminal court proceedings, a trial, right,

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And so it's not an outright immediate call for him

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to resign right now. He is being held at the

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County jail in High Point. A magistrate denied Brockman pre

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trial release, saying that he has access to abundant resources

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to aid in his flight from prosecution. So we found

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a magistrate in North Carolina who will not release somebody

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like this back out onto the streets. So like baby

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steps here, I think that's progress.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 1: The magistrate also said in an order that Brockman quote,

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now this like this to me.

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Speaker 2: Is bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously the charges are really bad, but this

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supporting evidence because we don't know really the details here,

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and you've got a minor involved, because the victim was

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thirteen to fifteen years old, and from what I understand,

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the victim was fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: Old, and the crime allegedly occurred.

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Speaker 1: I'm guessing there were molt there were at least two

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instances of this that occurred, and apparently it was like

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in August of this year, and I believe they were fifteen.

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The victim was fifteen, so their identity is being obviously withheld.

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We don't know a lot of the details of what

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the you know, the nature of the allegations. We just

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have the charges, but in making the decision not to

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release Brockman or even give them bail, the magistrate also

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said in the order to hold him that Brockman quote

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has made attempts to contact the victim in this case

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and has gone as far as attempting to locate the

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juvenile in the hospital and attempting to use his status

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to gain information on the whereabouts of the victim. Okay,

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so like that's all I know at this point, and

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I don't know, like I don't know if Brockman does

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work with kids or something. I don't know if he's

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like part of some you know, private school or charter

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school or something like that. I don't know his background.

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But usually when you know you've got when you've got

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a Democrat who's crossing over to vote with Republicans on

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the school choice issue, they generally have some sort of,

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you know, personal knowledge of the way the public school

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system has been failing kids. And before we know any

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more of the details here, I would just point out

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that when you know, if he was some sort of

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an educator and this was a student kind of a relationship, right, Like,

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we don't know if he's trying to locate this kid,

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or he's trying to talk to the kid because he's

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trying to you know, obviously influence the kid to drop

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the charges or something, right, trying to intimidate a witness,

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but although he's not charged with that, but or intimidate

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a victim. Right, that's obviously like that's where my mind

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goes immediately. But I also have to consider the possibility

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that he's wrongfully accused and he's trying to you know,

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reach the kid to say, what are you doing, Like,

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stop doing this. This is going to hurt me, it's

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going to hurt you, this is not worth it.

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Speaker 2: Whatever. So we don't know, waiting for more of the details.

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Speaker 1: To emerge, but I will point that out just to

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kind of keep it out there.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: There are political implications here because he is a North

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Carolina Democrat.

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Speaker 2: He's in the House, and.

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Speaker 1: He has in the past voted with Republicans on certain

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issues like school choice that angered a lot of the

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Democrat party leadership. Right, they and the like the Young

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Democrats of North Carolina Caucus and like those organizations, like

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there are a lot of these Democrats have like I

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think a billion caucuses now, and so they they have

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all these different groups, and they had targeted Brockman among

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others that would ever cross over to vote with Republicans

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on anything. So they would go out and they would

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field primary candidates to try to knock off these these

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incumbent Democrats because they were trying to, you know, protect

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a Democrat voting block right. So I suspect that the

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call I mean, I would like to believe that they

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would immediately well, that they should call for him to

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resign based on the seriousness of the charges. Destin Hall

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did that he's a Republican though, well, what is the

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political motivation there? Well, if Brockman resigns his seat, say immediately,

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the local party can't step in and make a recommendation.

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Speaker 2: They can't replace him.

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Speaker 1: Yet they have to run through a process, which means

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Republicans could try to bring back all of those governor

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vetos and override them before Democrats get somebody into that seat.

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Speaker 2: I do have a message from John.

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Speaker 1: He points out that a Republican state representative, Jared Lowry,

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resigned last week to take a position with the Trump administration.

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His brother John Lowry, who is also chairman of the

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Lumbee Indian Tribe, was elected by the Robinson County Republican

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Executive Committee to take his place. But I don't know

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if he has been sworn in yet. I don't know either,

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So losing this Democrat pervert representative, does that really change

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the balance of the total votes for a veto override

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until the Republican has actually sworn in. I don't know

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if the governor has approved Lowry yet, right, So if

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we're waiting on the governor to approve Lowry then, which

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is usually just a formality. Stein Governor Stein, who, by

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the way, just within the last hour I think, also

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is now called for Cecil Brockman to step down to

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resign after he was arrested and charged with statutory rape

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and taking in decent liberties with a minor. He may

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slow walk the appointment the you know, the final approval

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or something for the Republican because if he were to

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appoint him, maybe he already has I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'll have to.

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Speaker 1: Check if he because if you end up with Lowry

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getting into the seat before Brockman's replacement can be put

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into their seat, then you end up overcoming that that

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one vote deficit that Republicans need in order to override Vetos.

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Speaker 2: So like all of these.

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Speaker 1: Kind of machinations and like that, that stuff is going on.

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People are now getting you know, the lay of the land,

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and they're looking at calendars and how do we get

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somebody into this seat very quickly?

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Speaker 2: How do we get a vote together?

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Speaker 1: Like all of this stuff is now happening, but it's

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still it depends on whether Brockman steps down on his own.

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If he doesn't, the House could try to remove him.

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in like the eighties or something, but there's not really

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there's not any recent history of this. I mean, the

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last time would have been I think it was in

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like eighty but maybe not. I may be a mistaken

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on that. But they can't I think they can do it.

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They could try to expel somebody from the from the body,

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So I don't know, I don't know. We shall see,

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but yeah, the timing of this is going to be

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critical and I suspect Democrats are going to you know,

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lay the groundwork as they need to in order to

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protect this seat and to protect that that one vote

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in order to prevent an override of some of the

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vetos that Governor Josh Stein has signed that are kind

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of waiting right now that the Senate has already overridden,

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and Republicans have been clear, they've said, like, if we

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you know, we're in session, we're we're in the building,

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and we you know, do a head count and see

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that Democrats haven't shown up in sufficient enough numbers, We're

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going to call for a veto override vote on these

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remaining bills. It's what they did, It's what they always do.

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They have the bills sitting there waiting, and if Democrats

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don't show up one day, then the Republicans say, move to,

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you know, override this veto.

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Speaker 2: Boom, the vote is held, boom, veto's overridden.

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Speaker 1: So it requires Democrats to actually be in the chamber

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every single day all the time, which they don't really

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they don't really appreciate all the time. Danny says, I

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sure hope this is not a false accusation. Democrat unaffiliated

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or Republican it's no good, whether true or false. I

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really don't like that these things happen. I really don't

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like false accusations. Either is not a win. Yeah, I

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mean like, but it's something that you have to keep

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in mind. Particularly and again I don't know, I'm trying

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to remember what Brockman's line of work is or if

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he was working with troubled youth like that would be

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something to keep an eye on, like if he's dealing

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with like there was or there is. I believe it

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was Quentin Miller, the sheriff up in Bunkholm County, and

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Republicans tried to make a big deal about these police

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reports that were that were filed against him by minors,

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and they tried to make a big deal about it.

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he was false. He was a foster parent. He and

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his wife were fostering kids, and sometimes you get kids

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in there that have troubles and one of them ran

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away from home and you know, he went and got them,

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and they, you know, accused him of abuse or something

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and nothing ever came of it. So like that stuff

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does happen, So I again, I don't know that to

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: These are very serious charges, and you know, we need

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to know what the what the details are, I mean

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Speaker 2: I don't need to know all of them.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know all of them, but in

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order to sort of make a better informed judgment. And

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like we haven't heard from Brockmann. He could very well

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get out and say like this is all false accusation,

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this is a troubled kid or whatever, and then he

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could be lying about that too.

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Speaker 2: Like keep that in mind as well.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't the legislature go ahead with the veto override since

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the guy is in jail and cannot be there to vote.

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so you're still at a one one vote, one vote deficit,

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so it would be equal basically, So you would need

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to wait to see if Lowry. I'll do a search

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and see if Lowery got appointed. I don't think he

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has because I think that story was last week, so

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I don't think he has been formally approved yet, and I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if there's a timeline on that.

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Speaker 1: I also see Steven Wiley who Stephen Wiley, who is

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a partner at nc Folkrum. But he was also longtime

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campaign guy for the North Carolina House of Representatives, the Republicans.

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and stuff. And he's got some info on Brockman, which

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seems to indicate a man who is spiraling. So when

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I was a kid, my grandpa died with Alzheimer's, and

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before he died, my mom and my dad took care

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of him as he got worse. Forty years ago, there

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were no treatments and not much support for caregivers and family.

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so many people, including the Alzheimer's Association of Western Carolina.

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I've been a supporter for twenty five years. This cause

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means a lot to me. I participate in the annual

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Walk to End Alzheimer's and I'm leading a Charlotte team

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again this year, and it's called once Again Pete's Pack.

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You can sign up and you can join the team

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and walk with us. It's on October eighteenth that truest

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Field sign up at alz dot org slash Walk and

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then you can search for my team name, Pete's Pack.

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There's also a link at thepetepod dot com. There's also

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a link in the description of this podcast. Also, I'll

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be am seeing the Gastonia Walk on October eleventh then,

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so you can make a team and join that one too,

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or make a donation and help me hit my goal

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of five thousand dollars. If you do, I really appreciate it.

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There are a bunch of other walks all over the Carolinas.

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You can go to alz dot org slash walk for

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all the dates and locations. We're closer than ever to

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stopping Alzheimer's. Can you help us get there? Will you

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walk with me? For a different future, for families, for

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more time for treatments.

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Speaker 2: This is why we walk, all.

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Speaker 1: Righty, So went and looked up the process here and

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this is according to Brave the Brave Browser, their AI

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search results, their summarization that they offer, and they've got

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footnotes and such which check out. So Cecil Brockman is

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the Democrat now charged with these, you know, crimes against

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a child, and he's got a court appearance at two

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o'clock today being called on to resign by Democrats. The

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governor called on him to resign, the state Democrat party

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chair called on.

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Speaker 2: Him to resign.

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Speaker 1: The Republican Speaker of the House has called on him

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to resign. So it's all coming, you know, coming from

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all quarters. Does this effect the balance of power in

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the House, because right now Republicans have a one seat majority. However,

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Jared Lowry resigned to take a position in the Trump administration.

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Jared Lowery represents part of Robinson County, and so that

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meant that it was an even split. Then because they

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lost that that representative not an even split, It's not even.

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So the Republicans have a one seat majority necessary to

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override vetos. They have a large majority in the House. Okay,

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they have a large majority, but if they want to

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override the governor's vetos, they are one seat short of

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having that super.

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Speaker 2: Majority to do so.

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Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, So they lost that that that one seat,

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then it became two seats basically that they had they

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had to peel away two Democrats. But now with Brockman

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in this legal trouble, if he is out, then it

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becomes even easier for Republicans than to override the governor's

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vetos which are sitting there in the House waiting for votes. Okay,

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so Jared Lowry resigns and he is then replaced he

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had He was replaced by his older brother John, selected

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by the Robinson County Republican Party Executive Committee to replace

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his brother. The committee unanimously recommended John Lowry to the

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governor to fill the vacancy that was created. That took

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effect the vacancy I guess takes effect or took effect yesterday.

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State law requires the governor to appoint the individual recommended

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by the departing legislatorwards political party, and Governor Stein has

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seven days to formalize the appointment.

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Speaker 2: So Stein can slow.

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Speaker 1: Walk that for a week in order to give the

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North Carolina Democrats time to put somebody else in Brockman's

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seat and then do them at the same time, and

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then everything remains the same. I suspect that's what he'll do.

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he doesn't step aside, if he doesn't resign his seat

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amid these charges, then things become more difficult for the Democrats. Right,

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So we got a week, So today's Thursday, so a

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week from today, we'll see what happens. Let me get

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to I mentioned that Brockman seems to have been spiraling somewhat.

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Stephen Wiley, I mentioned him before the break, used to

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work with the House Republicans, recruiting candidates, helping them with

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their campaigns, doing oppo research, doing media buys and stuff.

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I've interviewed him several times over the years. He posted

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up on Twitter formerly known as x that the detail.

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Speaker 2: He says the.

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Speaker 1: Details are abhorrent and if true, Brockman must resign immediately.

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It seems like Brockman may also misrepresented living in his district,

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getting evicted from an apartment earlier this year that is

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in House District fifty nine. Brockman has claimed to live

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at eleven sixty six Roberts Lane, which is owned by

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his mom. So he has claimed to be living at

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the home with his mother, But he just got evicted

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from an apartment in a different district.

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Speaker 2: That's a problem.

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Speaker 1: That means he wasn't living with his mom, he had

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a different apartment, he wasn't living in his district. And

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apparently she was also sued this week by a plaintiff

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represented by Chris Anglin. Does that name ring a Belle

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Chris Anglin lawyer, Yeah, that guy Chris Anglin who registered

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as a Republican to run in the state Supreme Court

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race so he could siphon votes away from the incumbent

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Republican Supreme Court justice and she lost to Anita Earls.

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That Chris Anglin, he is representing somebody suing Brockman's mother.

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See what I mean, Like these are like there's some

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stuff going on. I'm not sure what's going on, but

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it's like this when you start seeing some of these

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stories come down the pike all together, it's like, this

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looks like a guy whose life is unraveling.

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Speaker 2: You know what else?

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Speaker 1: Chris Cooper, professor at Western Carolina Full Disclosure, former fraternity

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brother of mine. It went through. He says, the General

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Assembly does have the power to remove sitting legislators, but

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there is no set clear process to governing the rules

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or the criteria. Essentially, they create new rules every time

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they want to do it. The one thing that is

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clear is what happens to a vacant seat. The incumbent

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candidate's party nominates somebody to fill the unexpired term, and

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then the governor approves it, same process. If somebody dies

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or resigns their post, the last member of the General

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Assembly to be expelled. Okay, so I got this wrong.

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Was Thomas right in two thousand and eight, so it's

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a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit more recent. I thought it was in the eighties.

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Speaker 1: But anybody who is convicted of or pleads guilty to

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a felony is disqualified from serving according to the state constitution.

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How that would play out not really sure, but filing

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Guilford County, arrested yesterday. He's got a court appearance in

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about an hour. Indecent liberties with a minor and statutory

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rape charges I believe two charges of each. The victim,

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reportedly of fifteen year old was The fifteen year old

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was at a hospital and Brockman, allegedly, according to the

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McClatchy reporting, tried to get access to the victim. Tried

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to It sounds like he pulled one of the do

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you know who I am? Or maybe he flashed some

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sort of I don't want to say badge, but like

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maybe his legislative ID or something, you know, try to

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use his credentials to get in. That's what it seems

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like it's not the exact reporting, but that's what it

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kind of sounds like occurred that he tried to tried

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to use his position in order to gain access to

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the victim. I would imagine it would be to get

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the victim to drop the charges to recant. Whether that's

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because they were you know, false allegations or true, we

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don't know. We haven't heard from him at all, but

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obviously the state Democrat Party, the leadership of the Republican Party,

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basically everybody's calling for him to resign.

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Speaker 2: Stepped down.

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Speaker 1: And there was a comment made by our friend Andrew Dunn,

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who is the publisher of Long Leave Politics. We talked

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to Andrew every Tuesday here on the program him and

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he's also a contributing columnist for the Charlotte Observer and

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used to be the comms guy for Lieutenant Governor Dan

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Forrest in his campaign. So Andrew posted onto Twitter number one,

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the allegations are horrifying. Number two. Democrats are going to

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be privately ecstatic about this. Brockman was one of the

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Democrat House members who would occasionally vote with Republicans. I

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imagine he'll resign, and then the Guildford County Democratic Party

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would get to pick a replacement who will tow the

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party line. And I think I think Andrew is exactly right,

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Like I can separate these two things in my head

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that there is like this awful crime, right if he's

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guilty of like this, this horrendous act, and yeah, obviously

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punish that guy, you know, put him under the jail,

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like don't ever want to hear from him again, Like

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your life is now ruined, just like you scarred this

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poor child. Then there is the second component, which is

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the politics of the matter, because he is a politician,

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and most importantly, he is a Democrat that has crossed

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over to vote with Republicans. That has angered Democrats for

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years years they put candidates up against their own to

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try to primary him. He has talked about the bouts

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of depression that he has gone through. I want to

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say that he is I believe I think he was

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the first openly gay state representative in North Carolina. And

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he has talked about like the abuse he has taken,

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like in his like long before he got into politics,

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but then the abuse he has taken since he's been

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in politics, and is battles with depression and such and

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so they've been going after him for a while. So

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like them rising up immediately to say he needs to

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step down. Yes, that's the right call, but sometimes doing

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the right thing is also good politics for you, you know,

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and in this case for Democrats, it is saying he

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should step aside immediately, he should resign his post. That's

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the right thing to call for, but it's also good

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politics for the Democrats because now they don't have to

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primary him. They can just get him out and then

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put the person up there and replace him with whoever

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it was that ran against him in the Democrat primary

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last year. Right, they basically won the election. They got

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rid of this guy who would work with Republicans on

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a couple of issues. And it is just a couple

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like you're gonna hear, and well, here you go. We

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have in the response on Twitter, this is from somebody

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with a ridiculously long last name. I don't think it's accurate.

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I don't think it's an actual name, but it's this

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is what they say. It's a great day when someone

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who hurts a child is held accountable. Number two, it's

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no surprise that another pedophile was aligned with the GOP. Wait,

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excuse me, Brockman is aligned with the GOP. Really Democrat

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lawmaker elected multiple times to Guildford County safe blue seat.

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He is aligned with the GOP because he voted with

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them on the on the on the school voucher issue,

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like but this is And then there was a response

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from a guy who used to work here at the

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City of Charlotte. He says, I don't think anybody is

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privately ecstatic about someone allegedly committing horrible crimes because it

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may change a house seat. I think they're just horrified.

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And I pointed out, like six weeks ago, I may

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have agreed with you on that, but since then I've

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seen the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination, So yeah, I'm

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not so sure anymore. All Right, that'll do it for

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this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while i'm gone,