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Speaker 1: Hello, my friends, this is your PALZ from Warsaw, Indiana

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and you are listening to the Surely You Can't Be

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Serious Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Ye hello everybody, and welcome back to the shore That

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you Can't Be Serious Podcast. We are here to talk

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about Bush. I'm confused. We were on our ninety four

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nineteen ninety four albums. Why are we talking about a

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nineteen seventies jazz influenced Canadian rock band.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, not the Canadian Bush, the British Bush.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh crap. I did all that research. Well, you

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know what they say, one Bush feels like any other.

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Speaker 1: I knew the Bush shows that I come.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, guys, we will keep it PG. Thirteen. But

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the thirteen is gonna be heavy on this one heavy Bush.

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So we've been taed. We've been talking about pounding out

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some Bush for the last three weeks. It's it never

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is not funny.

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Speaker 1: This is gonna get me in trouble. I until already.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm super excited to talk about this album. This

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is the first of the nineteen ninety four albums that

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I owned the CD in nineteen probably ninety five, yeah,

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probably ninety five. Yeah, But I mean, heck, I wore

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that sucker out. I still own it. I had lost

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the one from the nineties, but I came across it

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again in the five dollars bin at Walmart, and I'm like, heck, yeah,

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physical media, baby, it's always better.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: You get the full sound. It's not that Spotify one

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hundred and twenty eight kilobyte junk. It's the full deal,

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and it is freaking awesome. I love this album.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad. This is kind of a new experience

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for me. I knew the hits, I mean they were

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really unavoidable on rock radio, right, but I didn't know

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the sort of off beaten track of songs.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, well there, we're gonna have some interesting things

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come back up from previous episodes. I'm excited to kind

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of blow your mind with some little tidbits. But I

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can tell you to start off with, and I'll give

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the details later. This British bush really is an American bush,

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if you will, and I'll explain that later on. But

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you typically when we start these episodes, you've got me,

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you give me some info about what's going on in

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ninety four, So you got something for me to Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, so not a lot really going on. In December

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of ninety four, I can tell you though Friends debuted

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that September. It was kind of the hot new TV

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show that fall. Yeah, And in December of ninety four,

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I can tell you exactly what I was doing. I

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took my mom, I took my roommate, I took my dad,

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and took my sister. We all went and saw Dumb

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and Dumber at the movie theater because that was the

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big movie at the theater.

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Speaker 2: Well, in December of ninety four, I was dropping out

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of college, is what I was doing. I can tell

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you that. Yes, I had just finished my first semester

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at the University of Arkansas, and I was like, this sucks.

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My grades are terrible. I'm gonna go do something.

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Speaker 1: Else in my world. In December of ninety four, I

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was like, well, let's give business a try, because this

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might be my last shot at this deal. So yeah,

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all right, well let's dive into this album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah heck yeah, let's open it up right now. First

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song out of the box. Hey, okay, so okay, you

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said let's go, and then you sad.

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Speaker 1: Before we jump into the album tracks, I just want

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to say this was released December sixth of ninety four.

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There's an interesting story. This album was ready to go

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in April of ninety four.

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Speaker 2: This is the story that I'm excited to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: Let's hold on to that. Okay, Well, let's dive in

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the first track on the album.

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Speaker 2: First track on the album, everything's in Okay, what do

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you think.

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Speaker 1: Man, first Killer Killer right out of the game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is fantastic. And you mentioned just a bit

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ago like that. This album was recorded in early ninety

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four and was ready to go by April. And there's

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a story there and it relates somewhat to these lyrics.

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So says, should I fly to Los Angeles find my

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toll brother Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow. That's

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going to be a confusing thing, right, Yeah, that's okay.

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So here's here is the story. I said they were

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an American bush because in their home country they were

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playing at shitty little pubs like fifty guy pubs and

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not having any success. And Gavin Rossdale, you know, we've

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talked about this pre episode of you know, he was

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in a different band. They had some success, but I

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mean it was really like they're scraping along and he's

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been doing it for several years now, but they finally

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get a break because somebody recognizes them in America. Right

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they are they are having no success in the UK, right,

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but they have a little bit of a hint of

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an idea of maybe this this band can work in

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America because they have an American sound.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they sound like the British version.

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Speaker 2: Of Nirvana kind of. Yeah. And there's a there's a

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reason for that, and I'll talk about that in a

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minute too. But what happens is this guy named Bob

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Kahane is with Hollywood Records, Okay, yep, and he recognizes

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them as having a bunch of potential. And so Bob

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Kahan goes to Disney Disney. Walt Disney, No, not Walt Disney,

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the company Disney. This is the nineties. Well, Walt's been

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buried under the Epcot Center for twenty years at this point. Yeah.

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So he goes to them, and the president of Disney,

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his name's Frank Wells. He's like, yeah, I think this

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is a good band. They've got potential, sounds great. Keep

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in mind, they're playing fifty guys over in the UK, right,

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and nobody's ever heard of them anywhere, and so he's

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got the backing of the President of Disney, and so

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he's good to go. This album is going to be

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a greenlit thing. We're good to go, right then. Easter

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nineteen ninety four, Okay, the album is finished, hasn't been

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released yet. Frank Wells, president of Disney, goes hella skiing

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with Clint Eastwood, like they're stop, they're hanging out their buddies.

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They're hanging out, I mean President Wow, of course, right,

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you know. And so they're out and they've done this

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helicopter skiing and the weather is starting to get a

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little dicey, and Clint Eastwood leaves and it takes about

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an hour before Frank Wells's helicopter is able to leave,

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but they leave kind of as the storm is coming

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up and they have to land not too much longer

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and try to wait the storm out. Well that's what

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they do. They wait the storm out. But because of

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all the snow fault that happens once they do take off,

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the engine freezes up. The helicopter crashes into the side

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of the mountain and Frank Wells and the pilot and

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another passenger are all killed. Whoa and so now the

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guy who was their guy, the president of Disney, saying yeah,

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we've got it, he's not backing it anymore. And all

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of the executives at Disney, this is what they say.

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No singles, no album tracks, and the album is killed

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before it even gets started.

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Speaker 1: Now, okay, see stop right there, because it's one thing

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to say you don't have any singles. It's another thing

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to say you don't have any singles. And also there's

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no good songs to put on an album.

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Speaker 2: What that's really terrible?

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Speaker 1: You have zero songs?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so that includes bang is that we know and love. Yeah.

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So I don't know in timing wise, how they've they've

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got this. Mickey Mouse has grown up a cow thing.

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reference to these executives going, I don't hear anything good

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on this album at all. Like, it's not album tracks,

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it's not singles, it's nothing. We're gonna kill it. But

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as it turns out, Bob Kahane is friends with a

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guy named Kevin Weatherley, and that may be somebody that

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most of our listeners have never heard of, but he

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was the head of a little radio station called KRO

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in La, and so Bob Kahane still has a couple

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of these demo tracks, including Everything's in this song we're

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listening to now and Little Things I Believe was the

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other one. Kevin Weatherley Bob Khayan, another mutual friend, have

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dinner one night and Bob Kahane says, here's you know,

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here's two tracks from this album, and he gives them

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some other artists to listen to. He says, I think

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they've got a lot of potential. I'd love it if

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you listened to him. Well, Kevin Weatherley doesn't even remember

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what other group was, but he thinks, okay, this has

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got potential, and then he plays it in his office

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the next day, and then plays it in his office

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the next day again, and he's like, you know what,

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this is good stuff. We're putting this into the rotation

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at k Rock in La. I'm so excited to wear this.

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This is going right. Okay, Okay, So, because k Rock

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is so influential, all of the alternative stations hear this

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and they're like, well, heck, if they're playing it, we

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should be playing it. And that's when this little magic

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thing happens. Now, keep in mind these guys all thought, hey,

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we got signed to Hollywood Records. We're finally going to

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have a record deal. Maybe we're going to get out

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of playing these crappy little cubs. And then they find

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out our record deal is dead. They go back to

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working menial labor jobs. Levin Rozdell was going to be

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a painter. Yeah. For three months, they're they're blue collaring it, right,

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that's right, and playing again, playing clubs on the weekends. Right,

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you know. It's just scraping by as a musician in

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the UK. And so even though Hollywood Records has killed

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their deal, the music starts to play, it starts to

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catch on, and this guy who I've talked about in

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a recent episode happens to hear their music on k Rock.

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His name is Ted Fields. Recognize that name?

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Speaker 1: No?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, well I'm going to refresh your memory. He

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started off doing Formula one racing and then he decided, Hey,

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I'm going to start a company called Interscope Communications that's

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going to make movies. And his finances come from the

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fact that he's an heir to a newspaper fortune out

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of Chicago. And the big hit that he has with

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Interscope Communications is a little movie we just covered called

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Revenge of the Nerds. So Ted Field, the same guy

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who hits it big with Revenge of the Nerds. Ten

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years later, nineteen ninety four, hears Bush on k Rock

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and says, Interscope Records, my new company that I formed

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in eighty nine, which is now a big deal, will

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be the one that distributes this album. And because of that,

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that's how the world knows who Bush is.

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Speaker 1: The same guy gave us Revenge of the Nerds basically

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is responsible for Bush as well. You've got it, We've

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got Bush. That is fantastic. Yeah, that's fantastic. Hey, I

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did find this up. I mean, just to go along

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with your story, Bush was featured on k Rock as

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Catch of the Day, right, and which that was a

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big deal. When you're named catch of the day on

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kay Rock, that's a big deal. Do you remember the

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last time we talked about a song that was catch

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of the day.

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Speaker 2: On k Rock? No, I remember talking about kay Rock,

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but I don't remember catch of the Day.

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Speaker 1: It was how Great White got their big start. Oh yes,

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that's right, So there you go. They were originally going

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to drop this in April of ninety four. They killed

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the record. Then they said, okay, we're going to give

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you a January of ninety five release, But because this

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song was so popular, they're like, well, let's push it

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up before Christmas. December of ninety four.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: I've got something for you on this though. This is

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the cool thing. Okay, So this is the first single.

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The lyrics of this song reference a David Bowie song

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Life on Mars. Tom Waite, do you remember when we

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talked about him, I do Jane's addiction. There's a song

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called ted Just Admit It where it says her sex

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is violent.

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Speaker 2: Saxon Vis.

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Speaker 1: Smells Saxon, and that's where you get the line there's

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no sex in your violence, right Alison Chains's Wood, which

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we've broken down before.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and Elvis Presley is mentioned in that song Fantastic.

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Before we move on from this song. In nineteen ninety six,

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there's a little band that starts opening for Bush and

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they open for him for three months.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: They're called No Doubt.

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Speaker 1: They're going to play a bigger part in the story

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here in just a minute. Yes, But the lead singer

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of No Doubt, it's this cute little girl named Gwen Stefani. Yes, well,

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she and Gavin Rostelle start up a relationship. Yes, And

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in order to tease them, the people in the band

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changed this name from Everything Zen to Everything.

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Speaker 2: Gwenn Subtle and they live happily ever after clever, Yeah,

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happily ever after for quite a while. All right, next song,

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next song on the album swim. Okay, So this was

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not a single, but I gotta say I love this song.

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This is very worthy of a number two spot on

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this album. It's got almost a jazz feel to the

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breakdown of the song, where it's you know, you've just

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got the drum and the singing, and then you get

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a little blast, like a bluesy blast of guitar, although

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this is the heavily distorted guitar of hard rock music.

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Speaker 2: Heck, yeah, so this one is another example of the

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quiet loud quiet effect.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, that's definitely right.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's because Gavin Rosdale is a huge Pixies fan, right.

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That is actually how he and Nigel Pulsford first hit

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it off in their conversations where they started talking about

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the Pixies.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I gotta stop you right there. Do you know

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where they met? No, tell me, Yeah, they met at

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a Brian Adams concert in Wimbley Stadium in nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, that's that's right around the time he was with

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Tina Turner. Right.

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But there's at least a one in twenty chance that

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they met while Ryan Adams was playing Everything I Do

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for You fantastic.

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Speaker 2: That is fantastic. Just on that note, he mentioned in

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an interview that I was listening to that he you know,

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back in those days, people bought albums sometimes just because

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of the album cover. And he says he can remember

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buying the Pixies album. You know, that dancing woman that's

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on the front of it just kind of caught of

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his attention and he just fell in love with the album.

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And then he said something that I thought was crazy,

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an album was he would open it up to the

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thanks page, you know where the band thanks all their people. Yeah,

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because he was like, I want to know who they're thinking.

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I've obviously have no idea who those are? People are either,

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but they're the people who are hanging out with the

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people that I want to hang out with, so I

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want to know more about them, right, Okay, So then

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that brought around the idea of well, who did you

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think on sixteen stone? Well, one of the people that

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he thinks is a girl named Lindsay, who was his

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first girlfriend, Yes, and the love of his life as

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he describes it, you know those those first girlfriends frequently

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are what he says. And the thanks is giving a

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thanks to miss Thurno because he thought that would be cute,

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like he took time, he and apparently she called him

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up after it and was like, what the hell is

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that supposed to me? Really? Yes, he was like, I

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don't what why are you mad? Like I thought this,

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I thought this was a sweet, sweet thing. And she's like, no,

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what the pick are you thinking? Putting thanks and putting

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miss Thurno on there, And he says, well, probably nobody's

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gonna listen to his album many probably nobody will buy it.

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You'll be fine.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me sneak and kiss behind the gymnasium

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at school.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, yeah, there you go. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's cool.

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Speaker 2: That's a good story. Speaking of things is happening behind

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the gymnasium at the schoolhouse. The first lyrics of this song,

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could not believe came here today. Helmet was on you

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blew me Away? Houses on fire were naked again. Maybe

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all we need is water and friends. We think he's

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talking about there, I'm going sex. Yeah, blew him away? Yeah,

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good thing he's wearing a helmet. That's right. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Next song on the album is called bomb.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So this song they wrote back when they were

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still under their old band name. Yeah, they started out

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as Future Primitive terrible name. It is terrible. It is

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a terrible name. And I think I mentioned in an

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episode past that I went into guitar center and there

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was a couple of kids in there who started playing

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guitar together, and I was blown away and how good

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they were. Like I'm thinking they're teenagers, and they're like

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blowing my mind, Like, hey, teenagers still play music on

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real instruments. This is fantastic. And so I'm like, hey, guys,

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you have a band. They're like yeah, And I'm like, cool,

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tell me the name. I'm gonna go check you guys

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out and They're like, it's called Wet Muscles and I

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was like okay, and they're like, we know, it's a

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terrible name and I was like yeah, and they're like,

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but it's memorable, and I'm like, well, yeah, that's true.

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So guys, if you are in the Oklahoma City area,

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go check out Wet Muscles. Young band playing real music

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out there. And it was great because I'm listening to

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this guy kill this lead guitar thing and started talking

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to him. He's like, actually I'm the drummer. I'm like wow, wow, Okay,

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So anyway, yes, great band. But back to what I

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was saying on this one written while they're still called

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Future Primitive, which is a terrible name, and so fortunately

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they decided to change their name.

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Speaker 1: It was released as Future Primitive. How about that. Yeah,

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So I mean there's a song out in the world

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under the name Future Primitive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this song bomb. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, that name is not as bad as sixty wrong Sausages,

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which was Weezer's name at one point, right, right, right.

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This was on the soundtrack for tank Girl. Okay, there

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are three songs on this album that made soundtracks.

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Speaker 2: Zack Snyder's Tank Girl.

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Speaker 1: Right, I think so I have no idea. I know

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Lori Petty is in okay.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember the last song we talked about where

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it references a bomb.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was back in her Green Day episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, the song having a Blast that we

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talked about last week on the Dukie album.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the one I can remember back

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in the day that I was had this album, was

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listening to it, you know, chatting up a girl at

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the bar or whatever, and she was talking about how

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her boyfriend didn't like Bush because they sounded just like

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a yeah the band. He didn't like them because they

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sounded like a British knockoff of Pearl Jam and Nirvana

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and some of these other Seattle bands, right right. And

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she and her point, which I thought was very well taken.

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She's like, well, come on, Green Day is just a

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knockoff of all of the British punk bands, right, And

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I was like, okay, well, yeah, I mean even back

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in ninety four ninety five people had this idea, but

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this song Bomb is one of those ones that really

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has a very Nirvana sound. Absolutely well. If you'll go

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back to our first season when we covered Nevermind versus Ten,

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we talked about how Kurt Cobain also loved the Pixies.

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There you go, If the bands are influenced by the

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same band, then they're gonna have a similar sound of

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their songs.

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Speaker 1: Right, makes sense on that subject. There is another thing

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that Kurt Cobain loved that also, Gavin Rossdale loves.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's true. That is true.

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Speaker 1: I forgot about that, Courtney love. Yeah, was shared between

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these two men. Yeah, yeah, shoot, that dang, that's right.

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He had a little tryst with her obviously after Kurt's

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suicide ninety six. Yeah, So that's interesting that you you

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say ninety six because it was in ninety five that

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he started dating Gwen Stefani. So that means, oh, oh,

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I'm hearing ross here. They were on a break, not necessarily, yeah,

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and I think those lines were a little blurry there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Apparently they went out for about eight months in

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ninety five and ninety six. Courtney said, everyone gave me

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so much shit because Gavin sounded a lot like Kurt. Yeah.

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But yeah, obviously that ended and she he got back

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together with Gwen Stefani. They got married in two thousand

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and two. They have three sons together, born in May

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two thousand and six, August two thousand and eight, and

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February twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's hold that story for a bit later. I've

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got some more stuff for you on that, all right, Okay, okay, cool.

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Next song, next song.

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Speaker 2: On the album. Song you might have heard of before.

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The song's called Little Things the Banger. I love it.

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It is banger, and it does sound a lot like

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smells like teen Spirit as well. It kind of does, right,

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But it's so freaking good. You know, they even recognize

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now Pixies are an American band. He liked American music

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like he liked that sound, as do a lot of

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We've covered so many bands that they're like, the British

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guys are pulling from the American side, the American guys

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are pulling from the British side. And so I don't

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know why these guys seem to get more heat about

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it than anybody else. I mean, we talked about bon

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Jovi and Richie Sambora sitting on a box of tapes,

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listening to the tapes trying to figure out what licks

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they're going to steal and what melody they're going to

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steal for their next album. Right, it happens all of

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the time. But before they had recorded this record, realized

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that they had an American sound. They literally picked their producers,

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Clive Langer and Alan winstonly because they're British and they

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wanted to have a more British sound to their music. Now,

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these guys had produced a ton of stuff, including a

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lot of Elvis Costello stuff, and that's how the band

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ended up going with them. Clive Langer actually co wrote

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the Elvis Costello song Shipbuilding, which is huge. He had

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done all these Elvis Costello bands things he had composed.

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He ended up later on composing music for a couple

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of movies called Still Crazy about an old kind of

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washed up singer Okay, and this one's great. I really

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want to check this out. A movie called Brothers of

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the Head. It is a mockumentary about a rock band

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whose lead singer is a conjoined twin.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I want to check that one out.

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Speaker 2: It looked really good. He'd been a guitarist for the

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cult band Deaf School, where his punk name was Cliffhanger

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instead of Clive Langer. That's funny, and had played Yes

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and had played with Big in Japan, which of course

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we talked about when we did our Frankie Goes to

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Hollywood Patreon episode, So be sure, guys. If you want

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gets you a cup of coffee at Starbucks anymore, you

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can have access to every single one of our secret episodes.

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Speaker 1: So we got a big back catalog too. There are

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a lot of great stuff out there. Yeah, Okay, here's

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the thing that blew me away. Gavin Rossdale Bush is

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not his first band. No, it's not even his first

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signed band.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: He was in a band called Midnight Yeah in the eighties. Yeah,

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and I listened to their stuff. It sounds a lot

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like in Excess to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. That was even a comment that somebody made about

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Bush before Bush had recorded this album, was that they

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kind of sounded like a commercial in Excess band.

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Speaker 1: They opened for Cindy Lauper and Big Country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the band Midnight he had started with a

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guy named Sascha Putman. Because I mean, we talked about it.

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Gavin Rossdale is a very pretty man, right, I mean,

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he's a good looking, a good looking guy, and so,

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like a lot of good looking kids back in the eighties,

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he would go to dance clubs and you know, try

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to hook up or whatever. And Sacha Putnam was another

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one of these dance club kids, and so they put

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together this band called Midnight. Now, Midnight had a not

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a successful song, but a decent hit. What was it called?

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Speaker 1: That song is called King of the Mountain, King of

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the Mountain. Let's listen to it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, King of the Mountain.

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Speaker 1: That's in excessy.

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00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:25,079
Speaker 2: It is very very similar to in excess And looking

471
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,119
at the album cover, it looked like he was kind

472
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,240
of borrowing that style as well, just like Michael Hutchins.

473
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,519
He did. He had the long hair, he had the

474
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,440
ear ring. It was. It was very much there. Now,

475
00:26:35,519 --> 00:26:39,039
what's interesting that that band was called Midnight. There's another

476
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359
song called King of the Mountain that's pretty popular by

477
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:46,559
Midnight Oil, which I think has to be Wow and.

478
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,519
Speaker 1: Well, you know eighty seven, that's when that came out.

479
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Wow. Little Things was such a powerhouse down

480
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,440
great song, such a powerhouse.

481
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,519
Speaker 1: All right, quick word on the music video d This

482
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,079
video was shot in January and February of ninety five

483
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,960
at an old mansion in Long Island, New York and

484
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,039
LA at the Band Studio. Video was directed by Matt Mhurran,

485
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:28,559
who also directed Everything's In. Did you know that Davin

486
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,839
Ross now goes on to do acting after this?

487
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: Like? He's been in several movies?

488
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: What? Oh?

489
00:27:34,279 --> 00:27:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? So he was in Constantine. He was Balthazar in Constantine.

490
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: Really Yep.

491
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 2: He was in the Blame Ring with Emma Watson.

492
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,079
Speaker 1: Emma Watson.

493
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 2: Yes, he was in an episode of Hawaii five. Oh,

494
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,559
not the old one, but the new one. Okay, he

495
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,039
was in an episode of Burn. Notice he was in

496
00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:54,240
an episode of Criminal Minds. I mean it's he's got

497
00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:56,000
a lot of acting credits to his name.

498
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Listen, this guy's a good looking guy, keeps himself in shape. No,

499
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,599
he's the product of a a doctor and a model.

500
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:03,839
Have you seen a picture of his mother? No? Huh?

501
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:09,680
Speaker 2: She beautiful so interestingly like his she's Scottish. His dad

502
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,839
is Russian Jewish. I'm thinking of Adam Sindler and his

503
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:17,000
song and his happy Hanika song talking about people you

504
00:28:17,079 --> 00:28:21,920
didn't know were half Jewish Gavin Rossdale because they changed

505
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,200
their name from Rosenthal to Rossdale. Oh how about that?

506
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,960
There you go? There you go. Things you only learn

507
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,880
on the Chirly podcast. Ladies and gentlemen. Okay, this song

508
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,319
is incredible, but we have to keep on moving. But

509
00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:40,480
good news. The next song is another banger. This is

510
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,319
the song come Down.

511
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:04,839
Speaker 1: It just come here, right back down the size good time.

512
00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,079
Speaker 2: Okay, Jason, I have to ask you this question. I

513
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,440
think if anybody's gonna be on the same page as

514
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,119
me for this, it's gonna be you.

515
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: Okay.

516
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,079
Speaker 2: When you hear this bass introduction, does it make you

517
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,720
think of any song from the eighties.

518
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,599
Speaker 1: It's a slowed down bass line from Living on a Prayer.

519
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: It's really like I remember back in ninety five hearing

520
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920
this song for the first time and thinking, dude, they

521
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:29,160
stole this riff from bon Jovi. But as far as

522
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,160
I know, I'm the only person who's made that connection.

523
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,200
I don't know anybody else who's said that. But man,

524
00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:38,200
unmistakable how close those two basslines are.

525
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: How about that?

526
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:39,759
Speaker 2: There you go?

527
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: All right? So come Down is to me, this is

528
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:43,640
the best song on the album.

529
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:46,279
Speaker 2: Oh nice, Yeah, I love this song.

530
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:53,359
Speaker 1: I mean it's a banger down down.

531
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 2: Okay. So in the late eighties, we've talked a little

532
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,200
bit about Gavin Rossdale's life, but i'll go love life.

533
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,759
But I'll go on here a little bit more. Why

534
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:21,319
not he dated a woman named Susie de Marchi. Yes,

535
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,240
she was the lead singer for a band called Baby Animals. Yes,

536
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,519
they had a hit called Early Warning. Obviously, probably a

537
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,359
much bigger band in Australia where they're from, okay than

538
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,240
they are here, right sure, just again trying to take

539
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,400
advantage of that in excess connection. She ends up leaving

540
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:43,599
him and ends up getting together with Nuno ben Incourt

541
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,000
from the band Extreme What. Yeah, So this song come

542
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:53,160
Down is about the end of his relationship with her.

543
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: Wow, that is a great nugget.

544
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:57,279
Speaker 2: We'll get to glitcer in here in a minute. It's

545
00:30:57,279 --> 00:30:57,960
gonna be the same thing.

546
00:30:58,079 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: Now, wait a minute. For those who don't know who

547
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:04,799
Nuno Bettencourt is, he is the electrifying guitarist for the

548
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,759
band Extreme.

549
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:06,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

550
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: Go back and listen to our best songs of nineteen

551
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,960
eighty nine episodes. Yep, Wow, okay, good one. By the way,

552
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,680
I've got a breakdown of Gavin Rosstill's a love life here.

553
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,880
In just a minute, we're gonna go through on the

554
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:23,920
song ex girlfriend.

555
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: All right, sounds good.

556
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:28,319
Speaker 1: So you talked about how this song was written about

557
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,559
his relationship with Susie Demarchie. Right. I saw him where

558
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:34,079
he was talking about how this song it's about her

559
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,440
and their relationship. It's in the context of half regret,

560
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:42,480
half celebration. It's experiencing something of great euphoria. You don't

561
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:45,519
want to end, and that, I mean, what a perfect

562
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,880
song and like sentiment in concert to play this one.

563
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,240
It's a banger and you're like, I'm having a ball.

564
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,599
I didn't want this name to end.

565
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,799
Speaker 2: Say what you will like. I think that the people

566
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,720
in the UK thought that this was a manufactured band,

567
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,119
which is pat false. They just were an unsuccessful in

568
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:06,200
the UK band that happened to blow up in the

569
00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:10,279
US in nineteen ninety six. They played to more people

570
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:13,400
in the United States than any other band. That's how

571
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,640
big they were. It was huge. But Gavin Rossdale is

572
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:19,400
a not just a good looking guy. He is a

573
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,640
talented musician and a talented songwriter. I mean, let's let's

574
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,599
do let me just talk the lyrics here love and hate,

575
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,799
get it wrong. She cut me right back down to size.

576
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,839
Sleep the day, let it fade. Who was there to

577
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,640
take your place? No one knows, never will, mostly me,

578
00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:38,920
but mostly you. What do you say? What do you

579
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,240
do when it all comes down? Because I don't want

580
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,359
to come back down from this cloud. That's poetry, bro,

581
00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:47,000
I love it.

582
00:32:47,559 --> 00:32:49,799
Speaker 1: See I'm having a ball today. I don't want to

583
00:32:49,880 --> 00:33:03,039
come down from this. Wow. Good stuff, Yeah, good stuff.

584
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:03,599
Speaker 2: This to me.

585
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,799
Speaker 1: I hate to leave this one so early. The way

586
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:10,079
this song ends, it's just repeating that, this pumping chorus

587
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,319
and just I just I could feel this way of

588
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:12,720
the crowd.

589
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: It is an emotional delivery of emotional lyrics. Great, great song,

590
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,599
definitely worthy of being your favorite.

591
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: On the album, Yavin Rostel talks about how when he

592
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,119
plays this song and concert, it's electrifying to him to

593
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,799
watch people sing his lyrics back to him.

594
00:33:28,799 --> 00:33:29,599
Speaker 2: It's just one of those.

595
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: Where he lets the crowd do the work, you know.

596
00:33:32,039 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

597
00:33:32,799 --> 00:33:34,599
Speaker 1: By the way, this song was in the movie Fear.

598
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,519
I asked you earlier, had you seen the movie Fear?

599
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: Marky Mark before he was Mark Wahlberg again, right, Micky Mark? Yeah,

600
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:45,079
and Reese Witherspoon. I think I saw it either on

601
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,759
VHS or like in the theater or something, But I

602
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,920
just I kind of remember Mark Wahlberg pound in his

603
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:55,160
chest because he was this obsessive high school boyfriend. Seemed

604
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,640
like maybe a gender reversal on the Fatal Attraction movie.

605
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: I know my college buddy, Scott Foster, the guy that

606
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:04,519
did our intro to the Green Day episode last Yeah, yes,

607
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
he saw this with him. It was him, his girlfriend

608
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,599
and her parents, and he said it may be like

609
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,039
the most uncomfortable he's ever been in a movie setting.

610
00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I'm going to go to the

611
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:22,159
movie about a psychotic boyfriend with my girlfriend and her parents.

612
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Exactly great, exactly great. Okay, we ready to move on.

613
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,119
Speaker 1: Moving on to the next song. That song is called Body.

614
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: This is an unstung, absolute single worthy song off of

615
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:55,920
this album.

616
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,039
Speaker 1: I dig this one man.

617
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,119
Speaker 2: This is such a great song.

618
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a fantastic song. This is one I

619
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,360
didn't know before it was not a single, but I'm

620
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,880
on board with you. This could have been a single

621
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,360
and it could have been very successful.

622
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: I can remember loving this song back in the day,

623
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,039
totally expecting it to be released as a single never

624
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,199
was may have been the kind of record deal that

625
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,880
you talked about with Dookie and with the Blue album,

626
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,639
where they were like, some of these songs want people

627
00:35:18,639 --> 00:35:20,559
to go buy the album to get that's right. But

628
00:35:20,679 --> 00:35:25,119
this one is definitely single worthy. Has a Sound Garden

629
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,199
sound to it. It's got a kind of like Rusty Cage.

630
00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:28,679
I would say.

631
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: I saw a magazine said this is the perfect mix

632
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:33,599
of Sound Garden and Black Sabbath.

633
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 2: Nice. Nice, Yeah, that one. I love it. I love it.

634
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,119
Will you come again? Will we stay friends? Oh you paralyze?

635
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Oh you paralyze?

636
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: I love this song, man, It's really good.

637
00:35:57,880 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: A great song. D hit stop on your tape, play

638
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:03,000
kick it out, flip it over for side too, and

639
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:05,159
we start off with Machinehead.

640
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: Well we've reached my favorite song on the album.

641
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,199
Speaker 1: Okay, this is your favorite?

642
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 2: Gosh. I love this song. My band used to cover

643
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,360
this back in nineteen ninety five ninety six. Loved covering

644
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,360
this song, loved doing that guitar intro. I mentioned this

645
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:36,760
to James Buckley a couple of weeks ago, and within

646
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,199
a few days he sends me a video where he

647
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:42,599
and Hidden Tracks are covering this song and they did

648
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,079
a killer job on It's such a great song, such

649
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:49,639
a great cover, that guitar intro and then him coming

650
00:36:49,679 --> 00:36:52,239
in with the breathe in, breathe out. I mean, it's

651
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:53,559
just intense.

652
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: It's like a very heavy metal version of aerobics.

653
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: So it's kind of funny. I don't I have nothing

654
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,599
that tells me that there's some inside information on what

655
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,480
this song is about. I'm just guessing. This is a

656
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,920
total guess for me. Do you have info I've got.

657
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,039
Speaker 1: I mean, he's vague when he talks about what this

658
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:25,079
is about. I mean, machine head is a guitar item.

659
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: I don't even know what it is, Okay, So just

660
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,840
to simplify as best I can, you probably have seen

661
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,840
on the bridge on the top part of the guitar

662
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,880
where the tuning are sometimes there'll be a little like

663
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:38,599
metal piece that goes across there. The reason that metal

664
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,039
piece is there is because when you use the whammy bar,

665
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,679
it bends the strings and it'll make him go out

666
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,280
of tune. But if you have that little metal piece

667
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,519
on the top, it keeps them from going out of tune.

668
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,400
And that little metal piece is called a machine head.

669
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,360
He's got a machinehead there you go, it's better than

670
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,639
the rest Green to Red.

671
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: I did see him say that the song is about

672
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,880
survival and triumph. It's about the Maverick spirit and energy

673
00:38:15,039 --> 00:38:17,119
and refusal to be compromised.

674
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of vague terms like that.

675
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:20,079
Speaker 1: I don't care. It's a great song.

676
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,760
Speaker 2: So at this point, like he's been doing this musician

677
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,400
thing for several years, right, he's he's no longer twenty one,

678
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,800
twenty two, he's now twenty four, pushing twenty five and

679
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:32,320
play in these clubs in the UK that are small

680
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,480
and wondering, you know, did I make the wrong career choice?

681
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,480
So he I mean, if you just look at these lyrics,

682
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,400
I spin on a whim, I slide to the right.

683
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:44,719
I felt you like electric light for our love, for

684
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,599
our fear, for our rise against the years and years

685
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,360
and years. Like it sounds to me like this is

686
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,599
his kind of disappointment at the performance on stage going

687
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,039
on as long as it has in him not seeing

688
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,440
any success, Deaf, dumb and thirty, starting to deserve this

689
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:06,159
leaning on my conscience, wall Blood is like wine, unconscious

690
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:08,440
all the time. If I had it all again, I'd

691
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,639
change it all, Like I think he's feeling regret in

692
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,599
this song with his music choice. It's just odd that

693
00:39:14,679 --> 00:39:17,880
it turns out to be an absolute smash hit for

694
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,320
the band.

695
00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 1: Well, and keep in mind these songs were dead. He

696
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,400
had no idea that this was going to be a hit.

697
00:39:23,559 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

698
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: By the way, This was the fifth single, released April

699
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,920
ninth of ninety six. I told you. It peaks out

700
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,880
at number forty three on the Billboard Hot one hundred

701
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:32,920
on May fourth of nineteen ninety six.

702
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: Happy birthday, Yeah, my twenty third birthday. Yeah nice, May

703
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,639
the fourth be with you.

704
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:42,119
Speaker 1: In the video, Gavin Rossdale's dog Winston, makes an appearance.

705
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,679
Speaker 2: I have a cat named Winston. Yes, you do game

706
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,079
after Winston Churchill. There you go. We're all a little British.

707
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 1: I guess I did hear how when he wrote this

708
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,800
song he would take walks and he would try to

709
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:57,480
imagine lyrics and kind of think about and he had

710
00:39:57,519 --> 00:39:59,400
the riff in his head and he was like walking

711
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:03,079
around Park which is in England, and he's like, holy crap,

712
00:40:03,159 --> 00:40:05,400
that's good. That's good. I gotta remember this. I gotta

713
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:07,760
remember this. And he said when he got back, he's like, Okay,

714
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,360
you got something good. Don't screw it up by messing

715
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,360
up the lyrics. And that's why I do think it

716
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,360
is a little bit vague about what it is actually about.

717
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,039
All right, let's move on from that one. Let's go

718
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:21,800
to the next song. The next song is called test Toosterone.

719
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:36,320
Speaker 2: Another single worthy song. Man, it's good, It's so freaking good.

720
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:37,159
Speaker 1: It's good.

721
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:42,119
Speaker 2: So the intro drum on this I saw that their drummer,

722
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,119
Robin Goodrich, he said that he was using inspiration from

723
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,000
Peat Best and John Bonham from led Zeppelin. The intro

724
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:55,679
drum beat to this is obviously influenced by when the

725
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,760
Levy Breaks from led Zeppelin, definitely very which is MY

726
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,280
favorite intro drum of all time, of all songs. So

727
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,079
I was very happy to hear it being used for

728
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,760
something new and exciting in this one. And then I

729
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,800
love I mean, he's challenging the MAO machismo. I got

730
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,239
a big gold gun, got a big gold gun that

731
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,440
is prevalent. Now it's interesting that he should make that challenge.

732
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,079
As we mentioned, this song came out or the even

733
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:27,440
this album came out in December of ninety four. Yes,

734
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,280
in nineteen ninety five, when this album was huge, Boy

735
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:35,960
George released a book, Yes he did. Interestingly, he made

736
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,000
some allegations in there that were initially denied. You got

737
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:39,840
the story on this one.

738
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so boy George said, Gavin Rossdale, take it like

739
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,599
a man. And apparently a good friend of boy George

740
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,719
and a good friend of Gavin Rossdale a person named Marylyn. Yeah,

741
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,159
Peter Robinson is his given name, but yes, who goes

742
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:01,239
by Marylyn. And I guess Gavin still had a sexual

743
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,119
relationship with this person for like five years.

744
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Initially, when when boy George's autobiography came out, like

745
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,159
you said, it's called Take It Like a Man, he

746
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:15,360
mentioned this and the initial reaction of Gavin Rossdale was,

747
00:42:15,679 --> 00:42:18,559
that's George's take. He doesn't know me. There's a queue

748
00:42:18,559 --> 00:42:20,960
of people going to their lawyers about the stuff in

749
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:23,360
his book. I hope he manages to sell some books

750
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,800
by putting my name in there. But but a little

751
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,920
later on he confessed.

752
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, so boy George is like, oh, yeah, well assume

753
00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:36,239
me then if it's wrong, you know. But apparently, Gavin Rossdale,

754
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,119
you know, your your career's taken off. You're in the

755
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,119
you're in the rock world where it's pretty heavily mail.

756
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,679
You don't want to scare off anybody, and so he

757
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,880
denied it, and he asked Marylyn, who he was still

758
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,039
good friends with, hey, can you bury this for me?

759
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,400
And later on he was basically forced to admit that

760
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:54,119
it happened.

761
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 2: So Yeah. Two thousand and three, Maryland had a single

762
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:02,039
called hold On Tight that he dedicated to Gavin Rossdale,

763
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:08,199
exiting you the years of their passionate relationship and featuring

764
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,280
a photo of him and ross Dale on the cover.

765
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:13,639
He said they had been together for five years and

766
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,679
referred to him as the love of his life, the

767
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:21,760
love of his life. But hey, he's shocking. Yeah, he

768
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,639
had several loves of his life. Apparently he did, he

769
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,920
really did. We will go on to talk about those

770
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:28,800
just a moment.

771
00:43:29,159 --> 00:43:32,079
Speaker 1: Next song on the album is called monkey.

772
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 2: Okay in my opinion and I love this album. This

773
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,599
is the first skipper on the album for minute, Oh okay,

774
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,159
how do you feel about it? Just kind of noisy,

775
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,000
It's not it doesn't grab me. Yeah, I mean, the

776
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:53,199
lyrics don't make any sense to me. The music isn't

777
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,760
super great. But here's an opportunity to talk about the

778
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,599
fact that they couldn't release this album in Canada. Because,

779
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,199
as I mentioned at the intro of this episode, there

780
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,480
was already a Canadian band called Bush. They were a

781
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,119
nineteen seventies jazz influenced rock band out of Canada who

782
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,199
like opened up for Three Dog Night, I mean just

783
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:16,719
hadn't really wow. Like Three Dog Night kind of threw

784
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,599
them a bone Pardney right there by giving them a

785
00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:24,880
B side on one of their singles. But they just

786
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,679
never really had much success. But they were still around

787
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,760
and they still owned the rights to the name when

788
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,360
Bush tried to release sixteen Stone, so if you got

789
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,880
the album in Canada, the name of the band was

790
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:37,840
Bush X.

791
00:44:38,679 --> 00:44:40,559
Speaker 1: Really yeah, I have not heard this story.

792
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:44,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. So ultimately they were like, well, guys, we got

793
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,280
to find a work around here. And according to Gavin Rossdale,

794
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,119
and the lead singer for the Canadian Bush, they were

795
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,639
agreeable to like work things out. They're like, let's do it,

796
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,159
but the lawyers, you know, stupid lawyers get involved, everybody's

797
00:44:56,159 --> 00:44:58,719
fighting about stuff. What ends up happening is they agree

798
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,079
that if like all all of the band members, all

799
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:05,880
four band members, donate twenty thousand dollars to the Starlight

800
00:45:06,039 --> 00:45:09,159
Children's Foundation, that they'll allow them to use the name

801
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,639
in Canada. And I mean that's a no brainer, right.

802
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,000
Your album is selling millions and millions. It's easy to

803
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,519
give up eighty thousand dollars, especially to a good cause,

804
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,039
to get the right to use your use your name,

805
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:21,760
to use your name.

806
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

807
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah.

808
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,639
Speaker 1: By the way, you know where they chose the name bush?

809
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,079
Speaker 2: I do, but you can tell us the story.

810
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,559
Speaker 1: Well, so there's different stories. Yeah, I think bush is

811
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:33,920
kind of a short and memorable word like kiss might

812
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,679
be right, right, But apparently there's a place in and

813
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,800
around London called Shepherd Bush, Shepherd's Bush, Shepherd's Bush, which

814
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,920
is where they're from. But I'm not sure that there's

815
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:44,400
not a double entendre there.

816
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:48,559
Speaker 2: Well obviously. Yeah, Okay, so we know how the band

817
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:50,559
got its name. Now you're gonna have to stay tuned

818
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:53,360
to find out how the album got its name. That's

819
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,360
been a mystery for a while. But I think I

820
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,320
may have the answer for you.

821
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 1: But before we get I don't know that information for you.

822
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,679
Speaker 2: I'm going to give it to you. I'm gonna give

823
00:46:00,679 --> 00:46:01,960
it to you, but you're gonna have to wait. You're

824
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,519
gonna have to wait. You're gonna have to keep stay

825
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:07,159
tuned in for our next song on the album Glycerine,

826
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:32,639
a beautiful ballad again dedicated to ex girlfriend Susie Marchie.

827
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,599
Speaker 1: How many people lost their virginity to this song in

828
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,480
the mid nineties, Ah.

829
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: Man, I mean it's just if you know that this

830
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,920
is a song about a breakup, it just tears your

831
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:46,559
heart up. Man. I mean everything's gone white, everything's gray.

832
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,719
Now you're here, now you're away. I don't want this.

833
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,119
Speaker 1: Remember that, I'll never forget where you're at. Don't let

834
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,039
the days go by. He talked about when he played

835
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,119
this for the band. Initially he said it was I

836
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:02,840
was like a conduit. This song was bigger than days.

837
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: Kisser rain, gisser.

838
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,639
Speaker 1: You know we've talked about how some artists believe they

839
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,400
download the song right from the heavens. That was this

840
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,719
song for him. Yeah, by the way, I loved I

841
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:24,679
love this little nugget.

842
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 2: Here.

843
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: Desmond Child when he heard this song for the first time,

844
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:32,039
he thought he was saying kiss the rain, Oh right,

845
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:36,280
really instead of glycerin, instead of glycerine, kiss the rain.

846
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,280
And then when he found out he wasn't using the

847
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,960
words kiss the rain, he started writing a song called

848
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:45,000
kiss the Rain for Billy Myers, and it became her

849
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,519
first single to hit the number fifteen chart in the US.

850
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:49,880
It's crazy, how about that?

851
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: That's fantastic.

852
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: Also, there's a reference to the song Strawberry Fields Forever

853
00:47:55,159 --> 00:47:56,000
Yep in this song.

854
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, strawberry Fields is a place in the UK. I mean,

855
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,679
it's like Penny Lane and Strawberry Fields are Paul and

856
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,760
John's songs about the place that they grew up, right right,

857
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,800
Strawberry Fields being where John Lennon grew up in what

858
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,840
they call the place in Central Park now where he's

859
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,639
got a little altar to his presence.

860
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that line says, we live in a wheel where

861
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,679
everyone steals, but when we rise, it's like Strawberry Fields.

862
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,360
This was the fourth single released November of ninety five.

863
00:48:27,159 --> 00:48:29,800
Speaker 2: Okay, this one is too sad and too beautiful and

864
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,159
too wonderful for me to disturb with what the meaning

865
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,039
of sixteen stone is. So we're going to have to

866
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,639
be bop on to the next song. Okay, let's go

867
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:39,920
on to the next one, all right.

868
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: That song is called Alien.

869
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 2: This is a song that I can totally see in

870
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:28,719
concert being the if you will come down of you know,

871
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,199
like we've just banged and thrashed ferociously to machine head.

872
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:35,599
Time for us to chill and just kind of bob

873
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,239
instead of banging our head, We're gonna bob our head

874
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,599
and just kind of live in the moment. It's a long,

875
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:45,400
it's like over six minute long song that's very chill,

876
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:47,679
very atmospheric. Almost.

877
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,039
Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. I read online a lot

878
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:52,800
of people mark this as their favorite song. Yeah, it's

879
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,800
not mine, but I think you have to be.

880
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 2: If you're gonna be listening to this on the album,

881
00:49:57,199 --> 00:49:59,800
it has to be that situation where you're really just

882
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:17,000
listening to the album, like you're laid out on the couch,

883
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,519
you're totally vibing. You know, the lights are dimmed, you know,

884
00:50:20,639 --> 00:50:24,480
you've got something to drink or some something enjoyable going

885
00:50:24,599 --> 00:50:26,960
on in the room where you're just able to just

886
00:50:27,079 --> 00:50:29,239
soak it in. But listening to it in the car

887
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,360
on the way to work probably not so good. Yeah, okay,

888
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,800
here's the story sixteen stone.

889
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, all right, I'm ready for this.

890
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: So there was He didn't elaborate on what the meaning

891
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,960
of this was for quite some time, and there was

892
00:50:42,039 --> 00:50:44,840
talk that somehow it related to his that he liked

893
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:50,480
math and numerical things and spiritualism and that kind of thing.

894
00:50:50,519 --> 00:50:51,519
Speaker 1: Math and spiritualism.

895
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but as you pointed out when you were like,

896
00:50:56,039 --> 00:50:58,519
what is sixteen stone mean? I don't know, and you're like,

897
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:00,639
it seems like it'd be a measurement or weight of

898
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,920
some kind, and okay, So he had a buddy. Apparently

899
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:09,079
catfishing was a thing before we had social media and

900
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,760
all of these other things. You could catfish somebody back

901
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,119
in the nineties through classified ads. Oh wow, remember I

902
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,119
mean like the Pina Colada song, right, you know, like

903
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,719
he was right reading the ad let's meet up, all

904
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,960
this other stuff, and you toy somebody, right, you would

905
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,599
toy somebody along pretending to be somebody who you were not. Wow.

906
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,400
Apparently Gavin Rosdale had a buddy who this happened to.

907
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:36,480
He got catfished, and this song is a reference to

908
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,400
when he found out that she was not the slim

909
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:45,639
model esque person but instead weighed sixteen stones, which translate

910
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,159
to two hundred and twenty four pounds deuce deuce and

911
00:51:50,159 --> 00:51:53,840
a half. He was catfished by a heavier chick in

912
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:56,960
the in the classified ads, and so that apparently is

913
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:02,239
where we get the name stone wow or spiritual numerical

914
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:06,039
blah blah blah. No, it's I like this story much.

915
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Better catfishon Ain't Cool Kids? All right, last song on

916
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,440
the album songs called ex Girlfriend.

917
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,599
Speaker 2: That was rather quick. Here's a forty four second song

918
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:32,039
for you, I inspired via we count off in German.

919
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,880
And then the only lyric which is repeated over and

920
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,440
over again is you only call me when you're down.

921
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: This sounds like a hidden song. It's not hidden, right right, Yes,

922
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,480
this deserves to be like unnamed at the end of

923
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:46,920
the album.

924
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this one's called ex girlfriend. And we've talked

925
00:52:50,159 --> 00:52:53,440
about when Stefanie who's who got herself to ex wife.

926
00:52:53,639 --> 00:52:56,159
Actually there's a great story with that, but keep going, okay.

927
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,320
And then we've talked about Susie Demarchi yep. And we've

928
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,920
talked about Marilyn Yeah. And we've talked about Courtney Love.

929
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:07,239
Yeah that's four right there. And I know that he

930
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,000
had a child with someone back in the late eighties.

931
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah he did, So I've got a kind of a

932
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,800
breakdown for it, okay. Yeah, And we already talked about

933
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,960
how Gavin Rossdale doesn't have any trouble grabbing the ladies, right, right.

934
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,960
So he had a child with a lady named Pearl Lowe,

935
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,360
who is an interior decorator. She had a daughter named

936
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,000
Daisy low Right that you may have heard of.

937
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 2: She's a model.

938
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And they had to go to court and they

939
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found out that yes, she was actually the love child

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of Gavin Rossdale. And Pearl Lowe was also a singer

941
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in a band for a while, if I remember correctly.

942
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Speaker 2: That's right.

943
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: He also, I think we kind of need to get

944
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into the Gwen Stefani thing here. So he was married

945
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to Gwen Stefani for fifteen years, long time, long into

946
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:57,760
the relationship, like twenty fifteen, maybe thirteen years in nanny

947
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,400
discovered an iPad that was hooked up to his cell phone,

948
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and a nanny noticed that there was inappropriate texts coming

949
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from a different nanny. Her name is Mindy Mann.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

951
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 1: She was sending sexually suggestive texts along with intimate pictures

952
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,199
if you will, Okay. And of course that was a

953
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,760
big betrayal because you not only did Gwyn lose her husband,

954
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but she also lost a friend and a trusted employee,

955
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and that was kind of the big scandal there in

956
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the mid twenty and tens for.

957
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Speaker 2: A little bit. Absolutely Thankfully Gwinn ends up with Made

958
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of Oklahoma and Blake Shelton.

959
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Speaker 1: Yes, she comes down to tishuminga quite a little bit. Yeah,

960
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:39,280
but I do have a list of Gavin Rossdale's ex girlfriends. Okay,

961
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:40,000
are you ready for this?

962
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Go for it? All right.

963
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:43,679
Speaker 1: We already talked about Susie Demarchie. We've talked about Courtney Love,

964
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,480
we talked about Prolo, we talked about Marylyn. But he

965
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:50,400
also dated Gwyn Singer. You know that is no majors.

966
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Speaker 2: Okay.

967
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: You know who Natalie Golba is, no majors. Okay, you

968
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:58,840
know who Sophia Tamala is, no majors. All right. His

969
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,599
current girlfriend is Zoanna Zenetti, majors.

970
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Speaker 2: Like I said, he is all right. He's a handsome

971
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man and given the kind of breadth of his love life.

972
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I'll give you another short little tidbet Now, I mentioned

973
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that Rob Kahane was the guy from Hollywood Records who

974
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first discovered Bush. If you will, they're playing in these

975
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,239
flea pits. They weren't getting any attention from any of

976
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the UK record labels, and in ninety three, a guy

977
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named Gary Crowley of Capitol Radio. It was a disc

978
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jockey for them. He gave a copy of their demo

979
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,079
to a friend of his who was on the American

980
00:55:38,159 --> 00:55:42,119
label Trauma at the time, and that friend was Rob Kahane,

981
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who I talked about being from Hollywood Records. Right. It

982
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:49,440
was very fortunate that Rob Khan had gotten this album

983
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,280
because he had just stopped working with the guy who

984
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:56,280
he had been managing for several years, who we've covered

985
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:03,239
a couple of times, a guy named George Michael. Really yes,

986
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and so had George Michael not dumped Rob Kahane, we

987
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might never have gotten introduced to Bush.

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Speaker 1: Oh fascinating.

989
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Speaker 2: That's good stuff.

990
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Speaker 1: There you go, all right. That brings us to the

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end of the album.

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Speaker 2: YEP.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you real quick, real quick. We've

994
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,800
covered Weezer Weezer, We've covered Dooky by Green Day Green Day, YEP,

995
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,320
and we've covered sixteen Stone by Bush yep.

996
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Speaker 2: That's three.

997
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 1: I'm not going to ask you to rank them, but

998
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what's your favorite one we've covered so far?

999
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Speaker 2: I'm not telling you. You have to tune in for

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the next two episodes and then I will give you

1001
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all five ranked in order. Guys, just hit that follow

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00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,960
button on your podcast app and you could see if

1003
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you agree with me or if you agree with Jason,

1004
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:48,599
or we're both idiots. But tune in next two albums.

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We're going to have a couple of guests host with us.

1006
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We've got Brad Moore coming.

1007
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Speaker 1: In and we've got Dayton Johnson coming in.

1008
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: They are going to Brad Moore is going to help

1009
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,719
us cover Live Throwing Copper, which is another album I

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00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,400
had at the time and absolutely loved. And Dayton Johnson

1011
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:05,440
is going to help us cover Collective Soul at the

1012
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,480
Blue album Yes, which I'm excited to talk about. That

1013
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,559
one is well, that's one of your favorites. I know,

1014
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:11,079
I love it.

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's gonna be fun. We'll see you guys back

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here next week.