1 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: What is up, fellowstick goes, I am at Dana Valley, 2 00:00:18,879 --> 00:00:21,039 coming at you solo this time to talk a little 3 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,440 bit about Giannis. Attend to Koupo, who is in the 4 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:26,320 news again, not because of anything he said, but because 5 00:00:26,359 --> 00:00:29,640 a report from CBS Sports is Bill Ryder about his 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:33,280 future or other people speculating about his future. So yes, 7 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,719 we're going to get into trades. Sorry to ruin anybody's 8 00:00:35,759 --> 00:00:37,679 day who doesn't want to talk trades, just jet. We're 9 00:00:37,679 --> 00:00:39,399 also gonna get into the reality of what Joannis and 10 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:41,799 Milwaukee Bucks are doing before we do. So though you 11 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:44,079 know what you're gonna do. 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Another top 21 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:16,959 executive of a team that could be in the mix said, 22 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:19,959 I wouldn't be surprised if a trade happened by the 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,959 trade deadline. And finally, he cites an Eastern Conference NBA 24 00:01:24,079 --> 00:01:26,560 exec who has already heard that the places believed to 25 00:01:26,599 --> 00:01:30,159 be Gianni's would be preferred destination. Quote, the teams I've 26 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:32,920 heard are Miami and New York the Nets, not the Knicks. 27 00:01:33,239 --> 00:01:35,079 He can't go to the Knicks. They have nothing to trade, 28 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,359 so that makes sense. I want to know from everybody 29 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:41,040 in the comments, what team you think would be the 30 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:42,879 best fit for the honest or what you think would 31 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:44,640 be the best package, or where you think he ultimately 32 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,879 should go if he's leaving. I do think, however, that 33 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,560 we kind of need to get into. Would the Bucks 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,959 even make a move like this in the middle of 35 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,719 the season. I think if Giannis went and asked for out, 36 00:01:57,239 --> 00:01:59,920 they would absolutely move him. I think that's the cachet 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,840 he has in the organization, And if you know a 38 00:02:01,879 --> 00:02:04,560 player like that is unhappy, you're going to move them. 39 00:02:04,599 --> 00:02:07,120 He has three years and one hundred and seventy five 40 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:10,639 point four million dollars left on his contract, the final 41 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,719 of which is a player option in twenty twenty seven 42 00:02:12,759 --> 00:02:15,599 twenty twenty eight, that would be his age thirty three season. 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,280 He's making fifty four point one million this year. Teams 44 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,080 will absolutely trade for that and you can make look, 45 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:23,240 you can make the math work their second Apron team, 46 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,719 they'll take back less money. It's not I won't say 47 00:02:25,759 --> 00:02:28,919 it's easy, but it can be done when you start 48 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,719 to go through whether it would happen in the middle 49 00:02:30,719 --> 00:02:33,680 of the year, though, it's just so complicated because of 50 00:02:33,719 --> 00:02:36,319 the way teams rosters are structured, the lack of cap 51 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,479 flexibility floating around. If you're going to trade Giannis, you're 52 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,000 probably gonna want to get out of the tacks. The 53 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,319 bucks are like twenty five million dollars past that luxury 54 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:46,680 tax line, not quite that much, but over it, you're 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:49,639 not gonna shed that much money in one trade in 56 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,240 the middle of the year. Again, though, if if Yannis 57 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:55,159 asked for a trade, they would grant it to him. 58 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,199 And I think a lot of people have since latched 59 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,639 onto and I'll throw it up on screen for Renny 60 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,199 watching it on YouTube. The quote that he gave to 61 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:05,520 Sam Amick over the summer when he was kind of 62 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,159 joking to a Bucks staffer or reference to a Buck 63 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:12,599 staffer that I could be traded if we don't win 64 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,479 the championship. So there's that element of this, And there's 65 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,080 also this part of the article that's not receiving as 66 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:24,560 much run, but Bill Rider basically reported that Doc has 67 00:03:24,599 --> 00:03:27,439 more power within the organization. Now, the exact quote is, 68 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,879 this is from someone familiar with the Bucks' front office. 69 00:03:32,159 --> 00:03:34,039 They tell me it's up to Doc now, that they're 70 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,560 going to wait twenty games and then see what Doc wants. 71 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,479 That would shock me if that were true. And if 72 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:43,120 that's the case, if Doc has that much power after 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,479 coaching the Bucks to a sub mediocre record for what 74 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:52,080 amounts to basically half a season in total, I want 75 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:54,240 to know what's going on in Milwaukee? Why what has 76 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,960 he done that shows you he has this much power? 77 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,639 So I don't buy into the Doc rivers of it all, 78 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:01,800 At least him, He is not going to be the 79 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,560 one that decides whether Yannis gets traded or not. That 80 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,120 to me, will ultimately be up to Yannis. And personally, 81 00:04:08,719 --> 00:04:11,280 while nothing tends to shock me shock me anymore, I 82 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,439 would be fairly surprised if Jannis turned around and said 83 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,279 I want out in the middle of this season. That 84 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:19,920 just feels like an offseason matter, which still makes this 85 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,199 a big deal if you think that he's going to 86 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,560 shake loose or that after two seasons with Damian Lillard 87 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,759 and seeing the core around him age and brook Lopez 88 00:04:27,879 --> 00:04:31,000 entering free agency, that Giannis isn't gonna feel confident in 89 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,000 the future. And so now we get into well, which 90 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:37,000 teams make sense to trade for Yannis and for people 91 00:04:37,079 --> 00:04:38,920 that don't like trades, We're gonna get into more of 92 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:43,480 specific Buck stuff in a little bit. He he apparently 93 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:46,839 wants Miami in Brooklyn. Miami's tough. They can trade up 94 00:04:46,879 --> 00:04:49,519 to two first round picks right now, and they'll have 95 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,000 some swaps. They do have Jim Hawkez Junior that they 96 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,519 can include. They have Nikola Jovich khalil Ware. They have 97 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,040 a package, but this is I don't know, They're not 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:01,560 going to be at the top of the line. If 99 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,279 you're the Bucks, and I think if you're a Milwaukee 100 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:05,480 and Yiannis gives you a list, okay, you take it 101 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:07,439 under advisement, but if you're not going to get the 102 00:05:07,439 --> 00:05:10,639 best package from that team, you don't send Jannis to 103 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:12,480 that team. If you're moving him with so much time 104 00:05:12,519 --> 00:05:15,480 lift on his deal, you're already going above and beyond 105 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,199 in that regard. You don't owe it to him to 106 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,199 send him to this these one or two teams if 107 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:23,600 if again one of them doesn't have the best package. 108 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,279 I can't imagine Miami will have the best package for 109 00:05:26,639 --> 00:05:28,680 Johannis if they threw Bam on the table. Maybe, but 110 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,720 I don't know why you're doing that at this point. 111 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,360 There's also Brooklyn that Giannis probably wants to go to. 112 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,879 They have a ton of picks now after trading, you know, 113 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:40,199 having traded Kevin Durant, having traded mchal Bridges. I would 114 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,759 be curious to see is that a route they would go. 115 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:47,040 What's interesting about them is if you don't have to 116 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,160 give up your twenty twenty five pick to get him, 117 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,560 Let's say this happened mid season, offseason, whatever, If you 118 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,800 don't have to give up what ends up being a 119 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,120 top five pick to get him, and you decide we're 120 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,600 comfortable going with Yiannis and this top five prop and 121 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:03,040 then still maybe having some picks left over in the chamber. 122 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,800 That's that is certainly an avenue worth exploring. It's essentially 123 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:10,600 or especially because you don't control your own pick in 124 00:06:10,639 --> 00:06:13,800 twenty twenty one, twenty seven. Excuse me, but you are 125 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,959 going to run in to another issue, which is Milwaukee's 126 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:20,040 gonna want back actual players in any deal because they 127 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,079 don't control most of their draft future moving forward. And 128 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,920 so a team like the Nets, Yeah, from a salary perspective, 129 00:06:25,959 --> 00:06:29,040 it's easy, and they might have some players that interest Milwaukee, 130 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,639 They're not going to the Mowa. Bucks are not gonna 131 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:34,519 view Cam Johnson as a building block. They're not gonna 132 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,839 view Nicholas Claxton as a building block, and Giannie's absence, 133 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:39,600 and certainly neither of those guys are on an all 134 00:06:39,639 --> 00:06:43,000 star level right now. So that I don't want to 135 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:44,680 say rules out the Nets. If you're willing to give 136 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:47,519 up this year's pick and the Bucks know that's a 137 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,920 top five pick, maybe that I mean, it doesn't It 138 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:54,399 definitely makes their package more attractive. I just don't as 139 00:06:54,439 --> 00:06:57,240 the Bucks, you're going to prioritize probably getting it back. Yes, 140 00:06:57,319 --> 00:07:00,680 you want draft equity and of course blue chain prospects, 141 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,920 but you might want someone who's just more immediately really good, 142 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,079 because do we know if you're gonna trade Dame If 143 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:10,439 Jannis is being moved as well. I mean, maybe he 144 00:07:10,519 --> 00:07:12,160 asked her out, but are you trying to float open 145 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,079 that window while just re restocking some of your asset cupboard? 146 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,360 The Nets, I would say, I deem more likely than 147 00:07:18,399 --> 00:07:20,439 the Heat, just because if they really went into it, 148 00:07:20,639 --> 00:07:23,399 their tippy top offer can include way more draft equity. 149 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:26,439 And I don't think if Miami throws him Hawkas as 150 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,399 I would say, is their best blue chip prospect as 151 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:31,560 of right now, I don't think that he would be 152 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,399 the difference between oh, we got this immediate guy in 153 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:35,839 a little bit of draft equity versus the Nets overloaded 154 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,560 us with with draft equity, and so after that we've 155 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,279 apparently moved beyond Giannis's preferred destinations list. I understand why 156 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:44,600 those would be interesting places to live. I don't view 157 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,160 either of those teams as having like a decided the 158 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,680 open ended window. Though a team that would be interesting, 159 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,920 I don't know if they're being mentioned enough in this exercise. 160 00:07:53,519 --> 00:07:56,680 Is the Pelicans. I don't love the spacing with Zion 161 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,040 and Giannis on the floor, but Zion has also made 162 00:07:59,079 --> 00:08:02,240 it work with nonspace fives or you know, he's played 163 00:08:02,279 --> 00:08:05,079 with Jonas Manchunus, but he's he has some stretch. He's 164 00:08:05,079 --> 00:08:08,240 not taken five three pointers per game, and defenses aren't 165 00:08:08,279 --> 00:08:11,439 overreacting to him on the perimeter. He's played with Steven Adams, 166 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:12,959 so if you were just gonna use those as your 167 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:17,720 two bigs, it could work. They're interesting because if Milwaukee 168 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,519 wants to regain control of its own draft, their picks 169 00:08:20,519 --> 00:08:22,879 are kind of scattered around right now, and some of 170 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,319 them are provisional. They could go to one team or another, 171 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:30,360 but the Pelicans essentially control. The Bucks is twenty twenty six, 172 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:34,720 twenty seven draft picks for now. If you include those 173 00:08:34,759 --> 00:08:36,919 on the table on top of other stuff, maybe some 174 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,799 of your own draft picks moving forward, and you can 175 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,519 go pretty far out. If you're the Pelicans, you give 176 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,399 up some draft equity and the Jehan Dee Murray trade, 177 00:08:43,399 --> 00:08:47,480 but not a ton, and you could also finago packages 178 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:49,720 around Brandon Ingram if it's happening mid season. If this 179 00:08:49,759 --> 00:08:52,120 is happening over the offseason, you still have other money. 180 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,879 Maybe a Trey Murphy is that someone who would interest 181 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:58,080 the Bucks, but the appeal of that trade would be 182 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:00,440 and especially if it's happening mid sea, he's in a 183 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Milwaukee there might be some merit to Okay, we're getting 184 00:09:03,159 --> 00:09:06,440 this all star caliberish guy in Brandon Ingram. We're gonna 185 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,799 have to pay him, but he's not super old, so 186 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,919 we're getting him back. We could still be maybe good 187 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,120 right away, and then we're also getting back control essentially 188 00:09:14,159 --> 00:09:18,320 over our next two draft picks. What gets interesting about that, though, 189 00:09:18,519 --> 00:09:20,720 If you're getting back control over the twenty six and 190 00:09:20,759 --> 00:09:22,879 twenty seven drafts, you have to write off this year. Again, 191 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:24,519 maybe this trade is happening in the off season. I 192 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:26,440 would argue it's more likely to happen in the off season. 193 00:09:26,919 --> 00:09:28,399 Do the Bucks want to be good at that point? 194 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,559 Would they go to the net s rout off we 195 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,519 need to be really bad for two years and capitalize 196 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:34,159 on this window when we have our draft equity, in 197 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:37,360 which case getting Brandon Ingram back is not as important. 198 00:09:37,399 --> 00:09:41,320 I don't think he's someone who would ruin a rebuilding effort. 199 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:43,799 He probably would pick you up a few couple extra 200 00:09:43,879 --> 00:09:46,480 victories if he's not. If you're gonna have him and 201 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,559 Damian Lillard in tandem, okay, it makes sense for the 202 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:51,039 rest of this half season. You won't control your draft 203 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:53,559 pick this coming summer, but for the next two summers, 204 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:55,679 that's when it gets weird. They still would be an 205 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,320 interesting team to watch. Another team that just has to 206 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,759 be mentioned is the Thunder. They can do everything that 207 00:10:03,879 --> 00:10:07,120 Milwaukee wants. They can give them good players, They can 208 00:10:07,159 --> 00:10:09,399 give them someone who is both you can consider a 209 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,480 blue chip prospect, but he's already kind of all star caliber. Now. 210 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:14,240 I know he hasn't had the cleanest start to the 211 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:16,919 season so far, but Jaln Williams you could throw in there. 212 00:10:16,919 --> 00:10:18,759 I don't think chet Holmgrin to me, wouldn't be on 213 00:10:18,799 --> 00:10:21,360 the table just because he would be mission critical to 214 00:10:21,399 --> 00:10:25,279 making it work or preserving as much of OKC spacing 215 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,480 as possible around Giannis attend to Kompo. So if you're 216 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:30,879 going to put Jalen Williams on the table while throwing 217 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,480 just I mean, you got picks on picks on picks 218 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,320 from all these different teams, including all of your own 219 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,240 picks as well. If you're going multiple firsts on top 220 00:10:38,279 --> 00:10:42,279 of Jaln Williams, making the money work gets a little tight. 221 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:45,600 It gets because they don't they're not They don't have 222 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:47,919 a ton of these larger contracts that will make the 223 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,519 math work in these situations. But they do have Isaiah Hartenstein. 224 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:54,320 And so if you're gonna have Chet Holmgren and Giannis, 225 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,159 do you still need Isaiah Hartenstein. That's a very short 226 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,639 term deal. It's it's effectively a two plus one. There's 227 00:10:59,639 --> 00:11:02,639 a team option on year three once his trade restriction 228 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:07,000 lifts in December. You could use him as the primary anchor. 229 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:10,600 And so now you're building things around Isaiah Hartenstein Jalen Williams, 230 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,639 and this could be done over the offseason too. I'm 231 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:17,200 just framing everything out that's possible. You have lou Dort's contract, 232 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,399 which is sixteen and a half million this year, goes 233 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,000 up to seventeen point seven next year. That's a number 234 00:11:22,039 --> 00:11:24,480 you could work with. You're gonna get to a point 235 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:26,639 like in Aaron Wiggins or in Isaiah Joe is an 236 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:28,879 interesting salary matching tool. If the Bucks are still trying 237 00:11:28,919 --> 00:11:32,000 to be good after all of this, that's a route 238 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,519 that you can explore. There are so many different permutations 239 00:11:34,639 --> 00:11:38,080 that you can build. I think the primary framework though, 240 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,240 is if you're willing to give up Ja dubb in theory, 241 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,440 okay see has enough draft assets to say, hey, here's 242 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,480 a bunch of draft assets, some good contracts on good players, 243 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,000 and they can keep Jayn Williams, chet Home, Grin, Shake 244 00:11:49,039 --> 00:11:51,559 Gil just Alexander and yet you, honest, I think the 245 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,639 Bucks are going to want someone who has All Star 246 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,480 potential if not, isn't a present day All Star as 247 00:11:57,519 --> 00:11:59,840 part of any deal when they're not getting back a 248 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,919 couple of their own draft picks, you know. Pointing back 249 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,559 to that New Orleans Pelican sceario, I just outlined, I 250 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,080 don't if I'm the Thunder. I honestly don't know if 251 00:12:08,159 --> 00:12:10,519 I would trade Free honest, which is a weird thing 252 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,440 to say. I think he's one of the three best 253 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,039 players in basketball, even with the uneven start to the season, 254 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,919 but his contract, he's gonna be age thirty three at 255 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,159 the end of it. I guess you have to do it. 256 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,600 But adding him to this defense is just insane. By 257 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,320 the way, they might have the best defense of all time. 258 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,440 You probably have to do it. It's just Jalen Williams 259 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:34,200 first and salary that is a lot, and it's it 260 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,639 would really speak to the Thunder acknowledging we might be 261 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,840 the best or second best team in the league during 262 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,519 the regular season, but we're trying to give us give 263 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:45,879 ourselves that extra in the playoffs. I just don't know. Yes, 264 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:48,399 Giannis is a play finisher, and just going downhill in 265 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,799 that spacing can be devastating. Their biggest need really seems 266 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,879 to be okay, high volume, consistent three point shooting, and 267 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:57,200 someone who can generate their own shots at a high level, 268 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,639 an efficient level. That's not Yannis. And we're certain seeing 269 00:13:00,919 --> 00:13:03,440 you know, some of the ladder in play with Milwaukee 270 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,120 right now. If you're okay, you have to have a 271 00:13:06,159 --> 00:13:09,720 conversation about it. That's not even that part isn't debatable. 272 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:13,120 If Jannis becomes available, you're going to call. You're going 273 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,559 to be involved in some respect. When you go beyond okase, 274 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,799 it gets more interesting just because there are teams with assets. 275 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,799 The one I would single out is Houston. They have 276 00:13:23,879 --> 00:13:25,840 a bunch of the you know, they could trade their 277 00:13:25,879 --> 00:13:28,240 own draft picks. They're going to have this offseason that 278 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,159 Jayen Green sizeable salary. So if you're Milwaukee saying, all right, 279 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,159 we're not getting our own picks back, but if we're 280 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:36,399 getting Jayen Green another one or two of Houston's young 281 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,759 players in first round picks for Yannis, that you would 282 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:42,840 have to think would interest them. And I would be 283 00:13:42,879 --> 00:13:44,960 curious to see though, if you had to single out 284 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,000 which player, if you could have any young player off 285 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,600 of Houston, who would you want? And I'm just having 286 00:13:50,639 --> 00:13:52,840 the open discussion here and I'm viewing this more in 287 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,159 an offseason lens for Houston. Would the Bucks want Alprin 288 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,480 Shangoun if the goals to be as good as possible 289 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:01,759 are you're just going with who is probably Houston's best player, 290 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:04,600 should be Houston's best player? Or do you go with 291 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:08,480 someone who is maybe more plug and play boom or 292 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,000 bust in Jalen Green just because you don't have to 293 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,000 funnel the entire offense through him. Would you value something 294 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,639 like Jalen Green and aman Thompson over getting just Al 295 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,519 prinshang Gun? Is Houston want to give up aman Thompson 296 00:14:20,519 --> 00:14:22,600 if they're getting back Yiannis because they're gonna have spacing 297 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:25,480 concerns Anyway, That's another team where it gets really interesting 298 00:14:25,559 --> 00:14:28,639 where what the defense would be speaks for herself. It 299 00:14:28,639 --> 00:14:30,559 would be terrifying. I don't care who he used to 300 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,679 gives up quite frankly, but if you're gonna have I 301 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,480 mean two, let alone three of Yannis, aman Thompson, alprinshang 302 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,159 Gun on the same team. I don't know how that 303 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,120 works Offensively. There'd be heavy staggering there. I don't love 304 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,320 necessarily the fit with all three of them on the 305 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,519 court if you're trying to get minutes that way. Again, 306 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:51,519 the defense with Giannis and Amn Thompson on the court 307 00:14:51,519 --> 00:14:54,240 would be ridiculous. And they still got Tariston there After 308 00:14:54,279 --> 00:14:57,799 all of this, I would assume that one of aman 309 00:14:57,799 --> 00:15:00,279 Thompson or Alprin Shangud would be sent out as part 310 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,799 of the deal. And then you also you have a 311 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,320 Cam Whitmore I mentioned Easton, you have your Bari Smith junior. 312 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,759 So if the Bucks want players over draft equity that 313 00:15:06,799 --> 00:15:09,840 can help them. Now you've got the ability to satisfy 314 00:15:09,879 --> 00:15:13,519 all those needs. I think they might be able in 315 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:16,279 theory if the Bucks's goal really is to get a 316 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,440 player who is so good right now that they view 317 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,799 themselves as having a window maybe not to contend, but 318 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,679 to not be terrible, to the point where they're sending 319 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,519 out really primetime draft picks while also restocking their own 320 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:31,039 draft pick cover. I think Houston has the better trade 321 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:34,559 package than Okay s even will I go back and 322 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,200 forth just because Okac has more of the I might 323 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,399 prefer j dub over any of the names from Houston 324 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,000 I just mentioned. But when you get into just the 325 00:15:43,039 --> 00:15:46,440 secondary pieces, it gets a little interesting. Because I love 326 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,440 Isaiah Joe, I really like Ludor Cason Wallace and Okac. 327 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:53,840 It's comparable for sure. I guess okay Se is more 328 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,399 attractive if Jaylen Williams is on the table because I 329 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,879 think he's the single most intriguing player to me, with 330 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,000 all due respect to Alprin schangun off that bunch, But 331 00:16:02,039 --> 00:16:05,600 that's a that's probably a separate debate to have. So Houston, Okay, see, 332 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,000 you feel like teams that could get involved. I think 333 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:11,159 Golden State will certainly try to enter the running. And 334 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,200 they have Kminga, they have pods they can give up 335 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,399 like a couple first round picks. You're still not going 336 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,600 to have the best offer for Giannis. It would take 337 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,120 a lot of posturing on his part to want to 338 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,399 go to the Warriors. It'd be an interesting discussion where 339 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,639 if Milwaukee said, hey, picks young players Draymond Green, would 340 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:32,000 you do it? That'd be something that does Golden State 341 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,279 do it? I think part of the appeal is play 342 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,320 Draymond with Giannis, that defense becomes generational. But if that, 343 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,960 if that's just if that's the scenario you're presented with 344 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,480 and you're a Golden State, do you do it? I 345 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,480 feel like you almost have to. And again, it's tough. 346 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:51,039 It's tough to view Milwaukee wanting or it's tough to 347 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:53,240 think that Milwaukee would want Draymond Green when looking at 348 00:16:53,279 --> 00:16:55,200 his own timeline. But if they're just married to making 349 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,679 the most of now while they have these draft picks 350 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:01,480 going out to New Orleans and Poland one, I think 351 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:06,000 this year's is going to Brooklyn, So could that be feasible? 352 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:09,079 I would say it's it's feasible. I don't think Golden 353 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:11,000 State is ever going to have the best package though, 354 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:13,319 And it'll be funny that this will be the framing 355 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,440 that the front office will probably justify. We didn't make 356 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,640 a move to try and maximize this season because we 357 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,680 wanted to wait out the Honist Attent Tokupo sweepstakes, which 358 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,920 we knew we were going to have like the fourth 359 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:27,440 or seventh best offer for anyway, after that, I don't 360 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,759 really you can find teams where he might be a 361 00:17:29,759 --> 00:17:32,960 super interesting fit. I don't really know where you go. 362 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,960 I mean, New York would have been interesting before the 363 00:17:35,079 --> 00:17:38,119 Michael Bridges trade. That's just completely off the table now. 364 00:17:38,599 --> 00:17:41,319 I don't think Orlando probably has the assets to get 365 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,599 involved here. I don't see the not that I don't 366 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,960 see the appeal, but if we're talking over the offseason 367 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:50,039 and you have Franz, Wagner, you have Jail and Suggs 368 00:17:50,039 --> 00:17:51,960 on those new deals, so you could include one of 369 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,799 them and then flesh out with draft equity and young 370 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:56,880 players from there. I don't know that I love a 371 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,880 core built around either Giannis, Franz and I mean that's 372 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,519 a over front court of is yallow Giannis, Franz and 373 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:06,759 Paulo or if it's Jayleen Suggs, Giannis and Manco. So 374 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,519 maybe they could talk to themselves into going after Giannis. 375 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:12,640 They're just not an organization that tends to take these 376 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,119 bigger time risks. San Antonio would be interesting. I think 377 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,359 you say at that point, everybody but Wemby is on 378 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:23,480 the table, and the primary Okay, there's draft equity you 379 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,880 could give up. You have those Timberwolves picks aren't interesting. 380 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,039 You have a swap with Boston, you have your own first. 381 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,759 You have this year Chicago's first that you can give. 382 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,920 You have the Sacramento Kings swap that you can include. 383 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,960 There's a whole bunch on top of young player. Steph 384 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:41,880 Castle's there. Jeremy Sohan still as well. But I think 385 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,240 the if you're the Bucks again and you're prioritizing stocking 386 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,680 yourself for the future but also being competitive now, it 387 00:18:49,799 --> 00:18:51,799 kind of begins and ends with Devin Vessel. And so 388 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,079 if the Spurs aren't including Devin Vessel, yeah, they could 389 00:18:54,079 --> 00:19:00,759 probably cobble together the draft equity necessary to go after Ni. Anyway, 390 00:19:01,079 --> 00:19:03,759 if the Bucks are prioritizing only young players in draft equity, 391 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:07,440 is Devin Vessel flashy enough as a player to get 392 00:19:07,519 --> 00:19:09,720 them over the hump? And just what do you Yeah, Okay, 393 00:19:09,759 --> 00:19:12,400 the defense with Wemby and Victor wemen Yama would be absurd, 394 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:14,799 But what does the offense look like at that point? 395 00:19:14,839 --> 00:19:17,079 Because the offense is no great shakes right now, and 396 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,160 Giannis isn't gonna help your spacing. He's only I won't 397 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,920 say he'll hurt it, but your spacing is going to 398 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,240 be hurt if you're sending out Devin Vessel, who I 399 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:26,039 know is you have to play this season and then 400 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,440 bringing back Giannis. You probably still have to do it 401 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,240 just because Gannison Webby would be mind melting. Another team 402 00:19:33,279 --> 00:19:36,240 that I think stands out Utah. They just have all 403 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:39,640 these picks, and it's you have Larry Marketing and Giannis. 404 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,720 It's tough to build a better front court compliment to 405 00:19:42,799 --> 00:19:45,440 Jiannis and Larry market In. At this point, you're not 406 00:19:45,519 --> 00:19:47,359 playing either one of them at the five, so maybe 407 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,319 that's of a concern. If Teler Hendricks never gets injured, 408 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,720 he would be one an interesting trade piece in this discussion. 409 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,680 Or two, do you just play him and say, Okay, 410 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,039 we don't have necessarily a center, but Hendrix and Giannis 411 00:19:58,079 --> 00:20:00,839 and even Marketing can all pitch in on that front. 412 00:20:01,079 --> 00:20:04,720 But the Jazz have interesting young players Cody Williams, Keante 413 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:07,480 George and then just they have salary matching tools. You 414 00:20:07,519 --> 00:20:10,480 look at Colin Sexton, that would help the Bucks remain competitive, 415 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:12,920 and you could throw John Collins. Even then you could 416 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,279 throw in a ton of draft equity and overload the 417 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:18,319 Bucks with picks. They're another team, though kind of similar 418 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,039 in the vein of San Antonio or even Miami. When 419 00:20:22,039 --> 00:20:24,839 you're looking at the immediate players, the actual players, rather 420 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,799 than the draft picks that are going out. Do they 421 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,039 have enough to satisfy what the Bucks would want? And 422 00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:31,200 I honestly just I don't know, And there are other 423 00:20:31,279 --> 00:20:33,680 teams that would probably be like, could Detroit really enter 424 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:37,400 the running here? Would Charlotte like to get reckless? Would 425 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,799 you include Brendon Miller for Giannis if you're Charlotte with 426 00:20:39,799 --> 00:20:42,400 the way LaMelo balls playing, and then flush flush out 427 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,559 the package with draft equity from there? That's kind of tough. 428 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,920 I mean, Boston has the contracts to get involved if 429 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,279 they wanted to. That's a joke. I don't think Atlanta 430 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,359 had they have some immediate players they could send out 431 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,240 that would make it interesting, especially Jalen Johnson if he 432 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:58,759 rebounds off his poor start and you want to include 433 00:20:58,839 --> 00:21:02,079 him and Reese Shay and pick that's an offseason trade, 434 00:21:02,079 --> 00:21:04,640 of course. I don't know if they have enough picks 435 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,480 to go out the Milwaukee though to make that work. 436 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,519 Could Chicago do something reckless here? I just don't think 437 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:13,200 they have the draft equity. And it's with the challenge 438 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:14,880 trade at that point, be okay, we're gonna give you 439 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:19,599 Levine any will give you modest Buzellis any player that 440 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,279 you want, and then picks what we have with Zach Lavine. 441 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:27,039 I guess, like, is that appealing to a Milwaukee team 442 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:29,400 that's gonna want to be competitive Dame and Zach Levine 443 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:33,039 on the same roster. Probably? Probably not. Dallas does not 444 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:35,440 have the juice to get in here. They just don't 445 00:21:35,519 --> 00:21:37,480 have the picks. Even if you think that the Bucks 446 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:40,359 would view they're not gonna view Kyrie Irving as the 447 00:21:40,519 --> 00:21:42,240 the and you're not trading Luca. Even if you think 448 00:21:42,279 --> 00:21:46,119 the Bucks would view like Derek Lively in that vein 449 00:21:46,519 --> 00:21:49,039 which I just don't think he's great. I just don't 450 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,039 think they would count him as, Oh, we're getting kind 451 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:53,240 of a current or future All Star in here. And 452 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:54,799 even if he's an All Star, he's probably not the 453 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,559 type of one that you build out your entire team around. 454 00:21:58,839 --> 00:22:02,359 That being said Eric Lively with Dame. But Brook Lopez 455 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,799 is still milwauking this situation. Are we're just assuming he's gone. 456 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:10,000 Dallas is too complicated. I don't think no Denver can't 457 00:22:10,039 --> 00:22:11,799 get in there. But I'm just saying, put all your 458 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,079 young players you have, you'll be like, you have no 459 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,480 draft picks to trade at the moment. They would have 460 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:18,519 to The Bucks would have to love Jamal Murray and 461 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,599 or Michael Porter junior and or Aaron Gordon for some reason. 462 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,279 So that's a no from them. I really think the 463 00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:27,359 teams that I would monitor here, and I'm sure the 464 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,359 Clippers and the Lakers will get mentioned. I just those 465 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:32,319 these are not teams that have the the assets us 466 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,160 to get them. I don't think even if the Lakers 467 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:37,599 they have more draft equity available, but Austin Reevees and 468 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,119 Dalton connect and all your picks and then we're flushing 469 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,400 that out with Ruby Haachimura other salary that's not doing it. 470 00:22:44,319 --> 00:22:47,359 Would Memphis trade Jaron Jackson Junior? And would that do it? 471 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,920 For the Bucks? They would probably, I mean they would 472 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:53,599 probably consider trading Desmond Bayne or Jaron Jackson Junior for Giannis. 473 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,279 Maybe they're a sleeper here. How do you feel about 474 00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:00,799 tying your window to Giannis and John Morant? Those guys 475 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,960 feel like they're athletic primes. Could be a little bit. 476 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,039 Jannest's athletic prime has been pretty long as it is, 477 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,599 but Brants battled availability issues and is how available is 478 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,880 he gonna be moving forward? How much longer is he 479 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,400 going to be this athletic? The same question for Yiannis. 480 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,039 That'd be a hell of a league. Pass standem though 481 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,200 they're the teams that I kind of yeah, you have 482 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:21,440 to mention Brooklyn to Miami again because Jannis wants to 483 00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:24,039 go there. I would just keep my eye on Oklahoma 484 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:27,119 City by default, Houston almost by default, and I really 485 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,759 do think New Orleans could get involved here. An interesting 486 00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:33,839 challenge trade would be like Embiid for Rannest at this 487 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:35,480 point as Philly, just like, oh, we're kind of done 488 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,119 with the load managing. Do the Bucks want to roll 489 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,559 the dice on this? I don't think Paul George. That'd 490 00:23:39,599 --> 00:23:41,359 be funny Paul George gets flipped in and a Yiannis 491 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,799 trade over the offseason or in December, you have Tyrese Maxi. 492 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,759 But when the Bucks have Dame, so you do have 493 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,000 if you wanted Giannis, you have picks, and you have 494 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,720 the you could trade player X one of your big 495 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:57,119 three with picks to get Yannis. I just I'm not 496 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,279 giving up Maxi, just because the idea of him is 497 00:23:59,319 --> 00:24:02,440 too important now and later. I don't know, like I 498 00:24:02,599 --> 00:24:05,799 don't know why the Bucks would want If Philly offered 499 00:24:05,880 --> 00:24:10,319 all their picks and Paul George for Giannis, would the 500 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,480 Bucks do that if Jannis wants I don't know. And 501 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,880 even if it's Embiid, how many picks need to be 502 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680 included in that. I think some people would argue that 503 00:24:17,759 --> 00:24:19,160 Philly would have to do like if you include the 504 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,359 Clippers pick an Embiid for Giannis, that would be the 505 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,519 other moving parts. I'm not looking at salaries right now. 506 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,680 That'd be so weird. I honestly think I just disgusted 507 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:30,039 myself even mentioning that. But the primary teams for me 508 00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:32,799 would be Houston, Okay, see, and I really I would 509 00:24:32,839 --> 00:24:34,640 throw New Orleans in there. They don't care about shooting 510 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,400 threes or spacing anyway, clearly, So I think those would 511 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:39,960 be the three teams to keep an eye on now. 512 00:24:41,079 --> 00:24:44,240 To kind of satisfy the more responsible part of this discussion. 513 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:45,799 I don't think that the Bucks should just go into 514 00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,920 this and say this is doomed. I don't trust reports. 515 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,400 Not that I don't trust. I'm not going to read 516 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,960 too much into reports that are just coming from national 517 00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,519 reporters who won don't seem to report this type of 518 00:24:56,559 --> 00:25:01,440 stuff all that often. And then two like, it's not 519 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,079 coming from a Buck source, it's coming from teams that 520 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,960 want Giannis go. Figure that they're gonna think that he 521 00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:09,880 wants out. That kind of just like sets the fire 522 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:12,759 or tries to set the fire of the rumor mill. 523 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:15,759 But I don't know what leverage you're necessarily trying to gain. 524 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,720 I really think it comes down to does Giannis want out? 525 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,160 And if he wants out, the Bucks will move him. 526 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:25,559 We just haven't seen or heard enough to believe that 527 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,160 he's going to want out, or that's he's even that 528 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,160 close to wanting out. The state of things in milwalking 529 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,440 on great Giannis has been part of it a little bit. 530 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,400 I haven't loved the way he's played so far. That 531 00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:39,759 the numbers are gaga, they're always gaga, but more of 532 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:43,279 his baskets are going unassisted. You look at just the 533 00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:47,480 number of dribbles he's using on average for his shot attempts, 534 00:25:47,759 --> 00:25:49,799 they have gone up. I don't know how much of 535 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,519 that is his isolation frequency is through the roof compared 536 00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:55,400 to last season. I don't know how much of that 537 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,880 is Doc Rivers related. I don't know how much of 538 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,640 that is by design. I don't know how much of 539 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,480 that has to do with Chris Middleton's apposts, and so 540 00:26:01,559 --> 00:26:05,200 you're in theory down a creator, but like I don't 541 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,759 want to see him doing as much creation on the 542 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,200 I don't want, I don't need him to be just 543 00:26:09,279 --> 00:26:10,720 a playfin as Shore. I want to make that clear. 544 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:14,119 But his role on offense is far more complicated than 545 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,119 it needs to be or should be right now. I 546 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:17,599 don't and I don't know who to blame it on. 547 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,440 Is it him, is it the Bucks themselves? And I don't. 548 00:26:20,599 --> 00:26:22,839 Is he been a problem of their transition? Defense is 549 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,480 pretty bad again. They're off Their rebounding has been all 550 00:26:25,519 --> 00:26:29,160 over the place too. Teams are just grabbing offensive rebounds 551 00:26:29,319 --> 00:26:31,480 off of a miss corner threes against them like Candy 552 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,400 at this point as well. He's part of that a 553 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,480 little bit. I haven't had a huge problem with his defense. 554 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:38,880 He's had a couple of just like, not great moments 555 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,200 as he tired from all he's doing on offense. Giannis 556 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:42,720 is still one of the three best players in the league. 557 00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:44,279 But I think that you have to if you're a 558 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,279 team interested, you have to have a real conversation. Okay, 559 00:26:46,319 --> 00:26:48,960 This dude is in going into his thirties. This contract 560 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,359 right now takes him through age thirty three. His next 561 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,279 deal that he's gonna want in a couple of years 562 00:26:53,759 --> 00:26:55,680 that's going to take him into his mid and late thirties. 563 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,359 You have the real conversation about what you're wanting to 564 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,440 give up for him. It's not that I've seen I'm 565 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,759 not spot regression to where I think that Giannis is 566 00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,279 worth less today than he was before the start of 567 00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:06,720 the season. But that's something to consider in all this 568 00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:10,079 as well, is that what is Janice's level of blame 569 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,759 in where the Bucks are heading into their Thursday night 570 00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:17,279 matchup against the Boston Celtics, and he deserves some of 571 00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:20,279 the blame. Again, I can't imagine he's g honist at 572 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,480 at the Koupa. I can't imagine that he doesn't have 573 00:27:22,599 --> 00:27:25,400 a huge say over the offense. My biggest takeaway from 574 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,160 this is that the league is at least where people 575 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:29,640 around in the league are trying to put pressure on 576 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,880 Milwaukee and they're attempting to read the teav he's of. 577 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:35,359 This situation really is in a level of turmoil. It 578 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,960 might be how they feel about even Damian Lillard. Where 579 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:39,880 if things don't go and he's been fine this season, 580 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:42,279 if things don't go according to plant Milwaukee, how much 581 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:43,920 longer is he going to want to be there? And 582 00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:46,279 so they're kind of trying to project four or five 583 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,119 moves ahead here. I say all this fully believing that 584 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,559 I don't think Giannis is going to be moved this season. 585 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,599 It wouldn't shock me if he's moved before the end 586 00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,079 of this contract. More So, my bigger, larger point here 587 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,880 is the Bucks are not I don't view them as 588 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,519 doomed right now. They're old. They need to be more 589 00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:09,559 athletic outside of Joannis Tentha Cumbo. It'd be nice to 590 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:12,160 see better moments from Bobby Portis this year. Brook Lopez 591 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,440 will start dropping threes more frequently. I'm confident in that, 592 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:16,839 let's see what they look like when Chris Middleton is 593 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,640 ready to rock. They could still be a really good team. 594 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,880 I don't know if I see it necessarily. Defensively is 595 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,319 where the concern might lie. I still believe that their 596 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:29,279 core lineups, you know, their two or three most used lineups, 597 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,039 should be able to have enough of the Brook Lopez, 598 00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:35,240 Giannis Tenthan Cumbo, even Gary Trent junior personnel in it 599 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,319 to be better than they have been defensively, and we're 600 00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:40,039 seeing a lot of the same issues from last year, 601 00:28:40,039 --> 00:28:42,200 at least I think early on. Where the things that 602 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:46,559 might stand out are transitioned inconsistent would be the the 603 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,559 kindest word to put it. They're still just not defense. 604 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,440 They're getting behind them too easily after Milwaukee misses a shot, 605 00:28:51,839 --> 00:28:54,359 and then ball containment in general at the top, which 606 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,680 also played them last year. I don't know that they 607 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,960 definitely have the talent to fix the first one because 608 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,960 a lot of that is I'm not going to go 609 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:02,440 the effort route, but a lot of that is just 610 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,960 playing smartly and making sure that you're getting back, you know, 611 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,920 after you're taking these shots. And look, we see teams 612 00:29:10,319 --> 00:29:11,640 I don't want to say we see teams all the 613 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,640 time do this. But if you want to be committed 614 00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,799 to hitting the offensive glass and getting back in transition, 615 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:19,759 those things don't have to be mutually exclusive. But the 616 00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,880 Bucks aren't committed to hitting the offensive class, which is 617 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,680 their twenty ninth in offensive rebounding rate, which is why 618 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,839 it's inexcusable to me that their transition defense is still 619 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,920 as porous as it is, at least in terms of 620 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,200 the frequency with which they let opponents get behind them. 621 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,680 I don't know how much of their most damning issues 622 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,359 are solvable, but I do think this is a way 623 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,759 better team than we've seen, and this really does feel 624 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:44,640 like a lot of early season noise more than anything. 625 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,400 And I would reiterate that, even though we went through 626 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,519 the exercise, I think it's Newsworthy of the teams that 627 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:51,640 could trade for him. I really would just reiterate that 628 00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:56,559 until this comes from someone who's more one, until something 629 00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,599 comes from Giannis himself, or until the rumblings start coming 630 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,119 out of the you know, Sham Sharania department, or even 631 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,000 the athletics department where you're starting to hear those reporters 632 00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:09,640 say so, or if Jake Fisher winds up reporting something 633 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,640 on it, that's when you know that there might be 634 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,279 a five alarm fire here. If and when that happens, 635 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,759 I really don't think it's gonna be the middle of 636 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,680 the year, and I think it's going to be Yiannest 637 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:23,319 will have to be the one to terminate their relationship. 638 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,680 I guess kind of similar. You know, the Portland Damian 639 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,319 Lillard waiting game was just painful, and the writing was 640 00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,720 on the wall. The Bucks aren't there in part because 641 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,240 they're not gonna have this high lottery pick since they 642 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,759 don't control their own draft pick. But I also just 643 00:30:34,799 --> 00:30:36,519 think that the bigger thing here is they're going to 644 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400 give it to me. I mean again, it wouldn't shock me. 645 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,839 I guess again, I'm never too shocked. It would surprise 646 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,920 me if they made a yansin Tentakoople trade the season 647 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,960 orphy x for out this season the offseason that's the 648 00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,559 other year goes, and then maybe anything can go. But 649 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960 I still have higher hope for the Bucks than they 650 00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,200 have showed right now, Like this is a you know, 651 00:30:56,319 --> 00:30:58,519 we are four or five games into the season. This 652 00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,440 is a team that still has plenty of time to 653 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:03,480 write the ship. If shit continues to go sideways, then yeah, 654 00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:06,319 that's when we need to dig more into Janisten Tookoopo's future. 655 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:07,799 But as of now, I think it's good to know 656 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,279 like kind of the lay of the land in which 657 00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:12,480 teams could be interested, all while acknowledging that, hey, the 658 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:14,599 Bucks can still be better than this, even if you 659 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,880 don't view them as the inner circle of contenders, which 660 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,559 right and now looks like it's Dallas, Cleveland, and Boston 661 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,480 and then kind of like everybody else below them. Hope 662 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,680 you enjoyed this, if you bonus content, if you've not already, 663 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,759 we're out here pumping it. We're pumping out content. 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