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the Pekanona show. Jaryl Cooper's back, Darryl. What's happening?

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Speaker 2: Man? What's up? Brother? Always good to talk to.

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Speaker 1: You, Good to talk to you. Uh, let's talk about

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making a podcast, man. I've I've listened three times to

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the first episode of Enemy the Germans War.

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Speaker 2: It's uh, that's pretty good considering a lot of it

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is quotes from a book you've probably read six times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's quotes from a

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book that yeah. Yeah, but the Irish Gentleman. I did

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not that one I was not familiar with when Yeah,

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but I mean I'm not here, you know, podcasters or

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I don't know that podcasting is as popular as it is.

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We're still considered like load tier entertainment or load tier education,

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and you know, I don't want to stroke someone, but

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that's you know, it's pretty remarkable that you could you

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could pull that off, because describing war, and especially describing

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a war that's never going to happen again the way

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it happened, you know that we've we've gone beyond that.

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you know, Jim Jones and really that getting into your

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head and everything. Does that as someone who was in

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the military. Is that I mean, I don't. I know,

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you you've said you didn't see combat, but still you

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have to look at that and talk to you know,

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this is like a lower layer, a level of hell

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that like none of us could imagine. Nobody. I don't

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think anyone who was in the thick of this shit

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in Kandahar or you know, in in Iraq could could

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time by that point, and you know, these guys tell stories.

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a smell coming from the basement and they go down

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first lieutenants or or you know, young captains. These were

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they're their sons will be in the Wehrmont. You know,

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that's that's who these people are. And you have to

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in this situation, and that's all that's going on. I'm

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soldier at war and that's you know, And that's how

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just sort of going along, and then the Archduke gets killed.

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single person you know are at war. Like watching people

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get killed, getting killed, yourselves, all these things, and so

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much as the acute traumatic experiences you know of seeing

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your friend get blown up or you know, these like

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those horrible things, as much as those are worth I mean,

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they're definitely worth remembering and talking about, and you have

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to to understand, you know, these guys really Like what

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Baghdad and your base safe, and maybe you hear some

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out on patrol and then it's dangerous. This was just

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you know, an assault on the senses, an assault on

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the mind twenty four to seven, when you were in

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those trenches and you know, and people say, you know,

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front line. That's not as nice as it sounds. A

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lot of times the artillery would focus on, you know,

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the lines further back, because you know, if there were

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if they had reconnaissance troops, or if they were, you know,

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mounting some kind of an assault, their own troops were

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too close to the front line. So being in the

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reserve lines was not a safe place. And so to

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just to live under those conditions for years, and to

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watching the uh Tucker interview with Nick Fline the other

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day here, yesterday, whenever it was. And one of the

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things that struck me about it, and this strikes me

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every time I come across it, because I've come across

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it a million times now, and it never ceases to

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like smack me up the head to remember that, like

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his cohort, Nick's cohort, their first experience of politics was

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the twenty sixteen election. Trump rallies getting mobbed by Mexican gangsters.

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House of Representatives, people in the media, just the whole

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nine yeard that was their first ever experience of politics,

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so to them, like this is how politics works, Like

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this is how it is, This is what's normal. You know,

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this is the world they spent their young adulthood learning from.

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but you know that's accounting for older officers and everything else,

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like a lot of your frontline just privates. I mean,

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these are eighteen nineteen twenty year old kids who, if

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they survived the war, spent three four years under these conditions,

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and this was like three of three or four of

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and how the world works. And yeah, you really have

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how the Second World War could have come about.

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the American men who went over there and fought. But

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easier for them. I mean there was still the amount

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were there for three or four years. And to throw

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another thing into it, is, you're the United States isn't

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suffering their homeland being under attack, being just torn apart

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by war and you know, by poison gas. At a

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certain these people are watching their homes and many of

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them consider themselves to be you know, they consider themselves

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to be Germans, but they also considered themselves to be

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broadly more European and they're just watching there this this

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small piece of land that the that the hunt backed

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them into, you know, you know, millennia before you know,

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and it's just being torn to shreds. And I think

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that people have a t as bad as it was

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for men of those men, American men coming home from

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the war, and the stories they told. There were people

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the Americans, you know, because the other thing too is

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like the Americans. And don't get me wrong, not to

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get to jingoistic or whatever, but our boys represented themselves. Well.

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in there with a lot of naive courage, because all right,

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we're here to save the day. And you know, both

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they're tired, you know, all this. The Americans just barge

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like we did in nineteen fourteen, you know. And so

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they acquitted themselves very well. But yeah, I mean it

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the Battle of the Somme, where the British lost six

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or not debt not killed, but took sixty thousand casualties

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on the first freaking day, dude, Like and then and

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then the battle went on for like months and months

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after that, and we didn't participate in anything like that,

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like you said, though, I mean we we lost you know,

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over one hundred thousand soldiers killed, a lot more wounded

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really in the space of a few months, which, when

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you consider our last u our last experience with with

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real war.

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Speaker 1: Is still.

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Speaker 2: To this day, the deadliest conflict in American history, the

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Civil War, that was six seven hundred thousand guys. You know,

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I know the number moves around a little bit now

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with new research, but six or seven hundred thousand killed

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in four years. You know, we lost one hundred somewhere

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thousand guys killed in a few months here, you know,

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and we got our first taste of like what that

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really is like. But yeah, the guys who were in there,

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you know, there's just there's a lot of the stuff

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that the yeah that we are, our American guys just

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did not have to think about. I mean, just take

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think there was just a lot of dishonesty and duplicitousness

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involved with the Treaty of Versailles, but sort of the

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a lot of the the arguments that were made to

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justify the punitive terms that were imposed on Germany after

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the war, where they would point out like, you know,

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look at what look at these atrocities they committed, you know,

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here they they they imposed a collective punishment regime on

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this village or that town or whatever. And some of

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that obviously there's a huge amount of exaggeration. There was

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a lot of propaganda, you know, especially in the early

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days in Belgium. But I mean, these things did happen,

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and you know, and it's and it's not because the

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Allies were sort of more righteous in their conduct of warfare.

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It's that the Allies never stepped foot on German soil.

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and so in the initial push when the Russians came

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into East Prussia and you know, before the Germans sant

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Ludendorf and Hindenburg to the east to go kind of

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get things in order. The Russians pushed into east. There

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were a lot of atrocities there. It's just because you know,

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think about how strange it is not only for the

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people undergoing it, but for the occupier too. You know,

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the German lines had French and Belgian people on both

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sides of them. You know, there were French towns behind

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you and French soldiers in front of you, and so

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to control a situation like that, it's very complicated, you know,

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we associate just the total destruction of large cities and

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stuff with the bombing runs of the Second World War,

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but there was, you know, there was more than people

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think in the First World War two, Like there was

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a lot of just infrastructure destruction, obviously landscape destruction. I mean,

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to this day, there's still an ongoing program every year

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in France. It's an industrial scale program where they're still

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going out and digging up old unexploded munitions from the

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First World War and every year a few people still

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killed by them to this day. And you know, it's just,

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you know, you took an individual, and you threw them

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into a conflict that was so titanic and so mechanical

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in the way that it you know, that it that

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that that it operated. And so you know, like World

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War One was mass warfare in a way that no

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other war in history has been, you know. And and

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so you took an individual and threw them into this

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situation where, for all of these different reasons, an individual

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life had almost no value. You know, Like you go

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to the Iraq War, and if somebody you know, like

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Jocko were to go down wounded or killed and be

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taken out of the war, that's the problem for us,

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like the Americans, the Sealed Team, that they'd really have

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to like figure out how to like work around that

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and replace that leadership and that experience and all that

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kind of thing. Over here, you take just a you know,

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a superhero warrior, Ernst Younger or something, and he if

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he's killed, it doesn't affect anything, you know, It's just

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this you're talking about mass numbers and losing the value

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of individual life to an extreme degree.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the one of the points you

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made towards the end of the episode that can't be

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ignored was you talked about the Spanish flu showing up. Now,

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whether that came out of Kansas or not, you know,

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well we can argue, we can argue another day, but yeah,

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that took a toll. When you read about the Spanish flu,

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you you see just how much damage that did. But

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then you segue that into Bolshevism, you know, you this

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rising tide that it almost seems like something I noticed

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in like with a lot of the Gwatt guys. A

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lot of the GWAT guys who came out of g Watt,

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they who realized just how bullshit that whole thing was

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a lot of them became libertarians. A lot of them

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became commis, I mean became like, well, i'll say commis,

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but they started talking about communism, they supported Bernie Sanders,

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they went in another direction. And it almost seems like

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the reason this tide was growing not only because of

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the Bolshevik influence and how they took over in Russia

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and everything, but because when you recognize that something, if

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you think something isn't working, you want a very human tendency,

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especially for people who just saw everything that they did

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would be okay, the only way we're going to defeat

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what caused this is to absolutely destroy everything. And I

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think maybe you agree with me. A lot of them

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just looked at Bolshevism as a way to absolutely kill

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everything that came before them, and caused them to be

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there and caused the destruction and the horror that they

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saw and then their families saw at home.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely a huge part of it. I mean, you know,

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you had the elites before and after the war, even

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for years after the war. You'd have a lot of

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the elites in say Germany, just to take one example,

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who they blamed the French and the Russians for the war,

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you know, and the British kind of came into it

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and they should have stayed out in the American ship.

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But it's like the French wanted Alsace Lorraine back, you know,

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the Russians had been spoiling for a fight over the Balkans.

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You know, for all these kind of things. Okay, fine,

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you talk to the you talk to the French.

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Speaker 1: It's all the.

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Speaker 2: Kaiser's fault, you know, it's that German military and blah

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blah blah blah blah. It got to a point though,

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for just millions and millions of the people in Europe,

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especially the guys in the trenches that they were just

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they didn't want to hear that shit anymore. They're like, no,

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I don't want to hear how it was those elites

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and not our elites. All of you did this to

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all of us, you know, you people up there, your system,

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your way of doing things resulted in this, and it

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just totally delegitimized. I mean even in the even in

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the victorious countries, you know, you had where you would expect,

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like winning a war of that significance in scale would

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reinforce the legitimacy of the ruling regime, like in one

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sense maybe some of the institutions and stuff. Sure, but

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it also ushered in a time where you know, the

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people were much more assertive about, you know, having their

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say and the government and all these kind of things

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because they just weren't going to accept the same ratification

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of hierarchy that they had always been accustomed to after that,

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you know, and it's especially amplified when you think about

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the fact a lot of these guys had It's a

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different thing when you know, you're in the trenches for

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a few years and you've got a captain who's there

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because you know, his dad's a prince or because whatever,

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you know, because there was the officer ranks much more

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class differentiated than they are now. And you watch this

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guy and maybe you know that guy might be a coward,

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and you just watch this guy who you're supposed to

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step off the sidewalk for when he passes you back home.

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You watched him piss his pants every time like a

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shell struck for you know, four years what you and

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your guys had to bail him out or like keep

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him from his own mistakes. And so it just broke

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down that hierarchy that it always existed, and that opened

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the door for something like like Bolshevism, you know where

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it's especially when you consider like after the war, you know,

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the Bolsheviks were the only ones who were really talking

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in a way that at least that most people were hearing,

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that were really talking in a way that seemed to

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speak to the true like insanity of the situation, like

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that this has to go period, like we're not interested

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in reforming this thing or like whatever did this to us,

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like it absolutely just has to be swept away. And

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you didn't have you know, mass right wing movements yet

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put together or even just whatever liberal movements or something

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that were really speaking to these people and on a

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level that that that that that I guess honored the

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the the the level of emotion that they had given

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their experiences, you know, in the Bolsheviks were and they

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held sway for a while. I mean really it took

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several years before right wing movements and you know across

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Europe were really able to kind of gather and coalesce

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and and start opposing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess we would say the first real right

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wing movement, let's come up against it was the White

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Army and you know, the Black Hundreds, and they're the

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cities have already. You know, in Russia, if you don't

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have the cities, you're done. You're it's over. You can

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have all the towns you want, but if you don't

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have the cities, you know, you're basically going to try

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to probably get as far away as you can from

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the east and h and hide. And I mean I

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think that almost mirrors what we have now. Is if

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we don't have if you don't have political power, if

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you people don't have political power in the cities, you're

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pretty much screwed and you're going to have to figure

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out a way to get that back. And you know,

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we're in a different time now, and you know, the

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bulsh Ticks were able to hold onto power for a

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very long time because just that they solidified the centers,

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the centers of commerce.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, it's so interesting when one of

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the things I mentioned in the episode, and it's one

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of those things that anybody who's basically familiar with the

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history of the period that you know, but then when

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you actually stop for five seconds and think about what

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it means, is like really hits you. It's just the

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fact that over the course of maybe eighteen months, every

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government from the Rhine to Siberia evaporated. You know, you

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have all these you read diaries from like guy like

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like Klemperer's diary and the Munich Revolution, and he talks

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in an almost like comical way sometimes about how like

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people would be talking on the streets or or you know,

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at the university where he was teaching it, they'd be like,

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where's the government, Like who is the government? They don't know,

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and there would be rumors that, oh, they had left

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for Leipzig or you know, and they're still they're still

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in charge. And you know, nobody better try to you know,

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assert themselves as an alternative whatever, but nobody knows that

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that's even true, and there's just nobody's in charge, dude, like,

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and so so when you have a situation like that,

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you really open a door for you know what, what

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first happened in Russia and almost happened in Eastern and

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Central Europe, which is just the most ruthless you know,

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band of people who are not going to wait around

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for you to finish your argument are the ones who

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are gonna are going to end up on top, you know.

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And that's this It's one of the main lessons that

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not just soldier everybody kind of took from the war

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itself actually, but also you know, definitely the Bolshevik Revolution

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is that you know, at the end of the day,

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like we like, force really does trump everything else. Like, yeah,

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we Germans feel like we, you know, we're backed into

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this corner by French and German Russian aggression and all

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these kind of things, and that we never wanted this war.

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And they have a good argument for that. But they

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you know, they they really felt that way. But it

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didn't matter. They lost. They they they got beaten in

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the war and that's the end of the story. Now

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they're responsible for it, they're the bad guys, and they're

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paying for it. And so that's like, that's one. But

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then the Bolshevik Revolutionary you had this little band of

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nerds from like Swiss coffee shops and you know, just

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people from Manhattan, like Brooklyn, like coming back, and they

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overthrew this centuries old dynasty that you know, it seemed

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like if any you know, if any dynasty in Europe

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was the sort of you know, the representative of the

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old regime, it was that, and it collapsed like nothing,

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00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,319
you know, just evaporated. And people really took the lesson

477
00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:40,279
that if we want to create a new world, you know,

478
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,359
maybe it'll be ugly, maybe it'll be tough or whatever,

479
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,799
but when it's over, we'll have that new world and

480
00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:48,279
it'll be better for everybody. You just have to do

481
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,200
whatever you must do to make it happen. And that's

482
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:54,559
the lesson that because if you don't, somebody else will,

483
00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:57,119
you know, And that's just the lesson that they took.

484
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: So a couple of the individuals that you concentrated on

485
00:28:02,079 --> 00:28:04,759
in there, I guess the first we'll talk about is

486
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:09,119
Ernest Younger who I have a Alexander Adams Lino cut

487
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,799
right up there looking up on the wall of him

488
00:28:12,839 --> 00:28:23,200
in uniform, and I mean it we know anyone who

489
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,039
knows about the life of Younger, And I mean really,

490
00:28:26,079 --> 00:28:29,279
I mean it's hard not to call him a renaissance

491
00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:33,279
man considering what the things he like, the all the

492
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:37,839
things he wrote, the things he could do. But I mean,

493
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,680
what a fucking badass dude.

494
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know the thing is, you know,

495
00:28:46,359 --> 00:28:48,440
I just because I mentioned him in the episode, and

496
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,119
I mentioned him earlier here, like I'll talk about somebody

497
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:55,759
like Jocko. Jocko is like in our modern you know,

498
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,000
American world, like you're going to struggle to find a

499
00:28:59,039 --> 00:29:02,799
harder more like just just a guy who is more

500
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:05,720
of a soldier down to his core than that dude. Right,

501
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:09,720
He's one of those people who, you know, a lot

502
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:11,359
of us we're sort of like, you know, we get

503
00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:12,880
out of high school and we have to figure out

504
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,799
what we want to major in or what job we

505
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,319
want to do, and we're kind of just you know,

506
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,119
just thrown along in our lives. And then sometime in

507
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160
like our maybe early twenties, if we're lucky. Maybe later

508
00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,920
if we're not, we sort of like almost kind of

509
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,279
wake up a little bit and be like, oh, I

510
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,119
have to start actually like becoming something. I need to

511
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,720
actually like figure out where this whole thing is going,

512
00:29:32,759 --> 00:29:34,839
and like start working towards that. He's just one of

513
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,039
those dudes who graduated from high school and he's like,

514
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,200
I want to be a commando. That's what I want

515
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,200
to be. And ever since then and even before then,

516
00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:47,160
he spent his time learning and training about leadership and combat.

517
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,519
That's just who he is, right, So he's a very

518
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,319
very like he's a person who can bring his focus

519
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:54,960
down to a single point in a really admirable way.

520
00:29:55,519 --> 00:30:00,440
But take somebody like Younger and put a into a

521
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:05,039
situation of where where uh, just the daily grind of

522
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:08,359
being in the war is so stressful and so depressing

523
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,160
and just so overwhelming for even a strong psychology, and

524
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,480
to still have that same mentality to literally the last

525
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,160
moment of the war, I mean, where he is surrounded

526
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:22,480
and he and his men start shooting and he manages

527
00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:25,599
to crawl away, he gets shot up, somebody picks him,

528
00:30:25,599 --> 00:30:27,960
one of his guys picks him up, starts dragging him away.

529
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,440
He gets shot, another guy picks him. I mean, this

530
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,839
is like he was fighting to the very very end

531
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,599
with the same intensity that he had in that first rush,

532
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,880
you know, through through Flanders, and it's what it's it's

533
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,240
what sets him apart from like just so many other

534
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,000
people and really like in a way that you only

535
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,200
could have that only could have been replicated in World

536
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:50,880
War One. I mean, maybe maybe you have like some

537
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,480
old like Green Beret guys from Vietnam and stuff who

538
00:30:54,519 --> 00:30:57,200
were spending all their time behind you know, enemy lines,

539
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,480
and they were just they were in the war and

540
00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:02,720
that was that. You know that you had some of that,

541
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,640
But man, you had guys like Younger. The thing is

542
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
like he's a brilliant writer. So we all know about

543
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,160
Ernest Younger, and yeah, he was remarkable. I don't want

544
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,440
to pretend that everybody in the trenches was like him.

545
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:17,480
But if you do go through like the volunteers, there's books.

546
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,720
There's there's a book. It's only an okay book. I

547
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,759
think it's it's by George MOSSI. Maybe we kind of

548
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,839
goes through his brutalization thesis, but he has this chapter

549
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,480
on the volunteers in the war and just their psychology

550
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:35,400
and how different they were. And you know, among those guys,

551
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,359
and even among a lot of the conscripts, I mean,

552
00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,319
you had people who shifted their mentality into that war

553
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:43,039
mode and they were able to live there and actually

554
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,000
preserve their sanity in conditions that you know, again would

555
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:51,200
wreck the sanity of even strong minded people. You in

556
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,359
a lot of ways, like our soldiers today are almost

557
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,759
like combat athletes, you know, like it's like it's just

558
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:05,440
they go into acute confrontations for a short period of time,

559
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,359
you know, they overwhelm the enemy with technology and skill

560
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,079
and training and all those kind of things, and then

561
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:13,680
they then they go back to you know, playing call

562
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,839
of duty back at base or something for a little while.

563
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:20,200
These guys, you know, Ernst Junger was not that dude,

564
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,880
he was he was just a guy, just like all

565
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,000
these du like these guy like Hitler, just a guy.

566
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,400
But you take guys who are just a guy in

567
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,039
their normal lives and you throw them into a situation

568
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,799
like that, and you find out what's what you know

569
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:35,279
and it's not always who you think either. I mean,

570
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:39,599
this is a not really an exactly comparable situation, but

571
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:42,960
when I was in the Navy, Back in two thousand

572
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,440
and four, I was part of We had this just

573
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,640
really terrible bus crash where we were on our way

574
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,759
out as a crew together and the bus there were

575
00:32:55,759 --> 00:32:57,559
two buses, and the one that was in front just

576
00:32:57,559 --> 00:33:00,720
took a semi completely head on and it was just

577
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:05,200
total chaos, and you know, people lost limbs, people die,

578
00:33:05,319 --> 00:33:08,720
just horrible And one of the things that always remember

579
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:11,599
from that is that the people who kept their head

580
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880
and we're going around helping and the people who were

581
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,240
just in a corner, like completely paralyzed were not the

582
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:22,559
people you'd necessarily expect, you know, and and you you know,

583
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,480
really comes out in situations like that, and especially if

584
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,920
it's something that you know, you have to not just

585
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,680
be able to kind of steal yourself for a for

586
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,160
an acute situation, but you have to have like the

587
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,200
sort of the just the mental strength and the continuity

588
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,319
of that strength to get you through something that uh,

589
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,720
you know, just just goes on and on and on.

590
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,519
Speaker 1: Well, I guess the other guy that you have to

591
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:55,119
concentrate on is Adolf Hitler. And I think obviously people

592
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,319
like you and I who read books and you know,

593
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,000
watch movies about this stuff know that a messenger in

594
00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:07,400
World War One was not a was not a safe job.

595
00:34:07,559 --> 00:34:10,679
I think the mean, it's not the greatest movie, but

596
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:14,320
I'm able to watch movies and dismiss, you know, the

597
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,679
propaganda that's in them. But nineteen seventeen was a movie

598
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:22,079
that just showed exactly how dangerous a the life of

599
00:34:22,119 --> 00:34:26,039
a messenger was, the job of a messenger was, and

600
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,159
for him to be able to, I mean pull off

601
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,760
some heroic shit while he's doing that, I mean, stuff

602
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:37,960
that is not in a messenger's you know, job, job description,

603
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:44,599
you know it just yeah, it's just wild to know

604
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:50,079
that what he did, how he did it, and also

605
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,559
to see that attitude that he had while doing it,

606
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,800
where I mean, this is a this isn't only a job,

607
00:34:57,159 --> 00:34:58,679
but I mean this is where I want to be,

608
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,480
This is where I belong, and I can't believe people aren't.

609
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,840
He had that kind of attitude of why aren't people

610
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,599
as serious about this as I am?

611
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he took the attitude afterward, maybe with with

612
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,719
some justice that if they had been that serious then

613
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,199
the war might have gone differently, you know, but yet

614
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,920
to talk about the messenger thing real quick? You see

615
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,519
this so annoying. Like even in you know, like mainstream

616
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,519
scholarly biographies of Hitler, they'll talk about it in a

617
00:35:30,559 --> 00:35:33,280
way because every single thing that they say about him

618
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,480
has to be said with a sort of cynicism or

619
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:38,400
kind of reading into it some kind of you know, negative,

620
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:44,199
negative connotation that they'll present it as if being oh,

621
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,719
he was just a messenger. You know, he slept back

622
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,039
at regimental headquarters, like you know, he wasn't like now.

623
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,400
And you know, i'd say, first of all, during one

624
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,800
of the most intense parts of the war, when the

625
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,800
Germans were on their initial salt through Flanders, he was

626
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,280
right at the tip of the spear on that assault,

627
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,039
so he saw that combat. He was made a messenger.

628
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,639
But what a messenger basically did?

629
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: I mean?

630
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,199
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, it's not that a messenger

631
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,880
is a dangerous job too. In a lot of ways,

632
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,159
it was one of the most dangerous jobs and one

633
00:36:18,159 --> 00:36:21,280
of the most difficult, just because you were alone most

634
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,079
of the time. Maybe you were with one other person,

635
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,119
but very often you were alone, and you look around

636
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:27,400
and you'd see this pockmark landscape, and every one of

637
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,440
those shell holes out there might have a few enemy

638
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,119
soldiers in there like standing reconnaissance, and you got to

639
00:36:34,159 --> 00:36:35,960
pick your way through it to find your way to

640
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,199
the line, and you're by yourself. You know, That's one

641
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,119
aspect of it. But then also during like the really

642
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:48,920
heavy artillery bombardments, frontline soldiers got out of the they

643
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,760
would get out of the trenches and they'd go into

644
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,519
their dugouts, these deep dugouts to protect themselves from the shelling,

645
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,280
and they would stay down there until it was all

646
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,840
over with. That's how, you know, it makes no sense

647
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,360
unless you know that. How you know, an assault like

648
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,239
the German assault in nineteen eighteen, one of them, you know,

649
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,480
they fired two million artillery shells in four and a

650
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:14,639
half hours along like a forty mile front. You know,

651
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:18,400
they just completely saturated it, and you're like, how does

652
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,199
a flea survive that? Well, this is how they spread

653
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:23,760
themselves out and they go into these real deep dug out. Well,

654
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,079
during those things that one of the first things that

655
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,760
would often happen as a result of those artillery bombardments

656
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,599
is all the telephone lines would get cut because they

657
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,199
didn't really have like reliable radio communication yet.

658
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: If they moved.

659
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: Forward or if they were doing something they were literally

660
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,239
had guys with spools running out miles and connecting telephone lines. Well,

661
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,400
those things would all just get annihilated as soon as

662
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,079
the bombardment started. And you still have to be able

663
00:37:47,119 --> 00:37:49,480
to communicate. And so while everybody else is out of

664
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,599
the trench, down in their dugouts, waiting out the artillery bombardment,

665
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,400
the messengers are out there running back and forth going

666
00:37:55,519 --> 00:38:01,760
finding you know, people incredibly dangerous, you know, And so,

667
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:04,840
you know, one of the things I always like to

668
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:10,079
do when I make any of these episodes, and I

669
00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:12,079
almost wish I had emphasized this a little more.

670
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: I did.

671
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: I did emphasize it, but I wish I almost would

672
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,679
have done a little bit more. Maybe I'll figure out

673
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:17,760
a way to to do the same thing in the

674
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:23,119
next episode, is to just try to understand, like the

675
00:38:23,159 --> 00:38:26,599
mentality of a person who does a certain thing, you know,

676
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,639
Like in my Jonestown series, I talked about like, you know,

677
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:33,280
this very kind of thing that's not one of the

678
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,559
big crazy things they did or whatever, but it really

679
00:38:35,559 --> 00:38:38,760
gives you some insight into like what these people's mentality

680
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,039
was where when they first moved from Indianapolis out to

681
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,599
this really conservative town in northern California because it used

682
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,159
to be like cowboy towns up there and stuff. They

683
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:50,480
go in there and it is all pro Vietnam War,

684
00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:55,400
you know, anti civil rights, conservative, hardcore conservative town. And

685
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:58,880
like two weeks in the Jonestown people who just moved

686
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,079
to town do this demonstration down main Street against the

687
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,840
Vietnam War, and like just it's just sort of like

688
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,199
gives you just a view into their mentality. It's very confrontational.

689
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,519
Just let you know something about them. Well, I like

690
00:39:12,599 --> 00:39:14,079
to do that all the time. And when you think

691
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,039
about like Hitler the time that he came back, it

692
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,960
happened twice. But the second time he comes walking back

693
00:39:21,039 --> 00:39:25,559
from his message rounds with two maybe three, there's some

694
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:30,079
like differing report two or three French soldiers and their

695
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:33,280
weapons that he's carrying, and they're prisoners of his and

696
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,920
he's marching them back. Now, if you're out doing your

697
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,400
rounds right, and you happen to see because obviously he

698
00:39:40,559 --> 00:39:44,559
got the drop on them, he saw them first. You

699
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:47,159
see three French soldiers, all of them armed, all of

700
00:39:47,159 --> 00:39:51,440
them you know, carrying their weapons, and you would be

701
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,800
you would be actually you could easily justify to yourself

702
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,760
just leaving that situation alone. Just I'm just gonna work

703
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:01,960
my around because i have a message to deliver, you know,

704
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,960
that's my mission here and this is not. And so

705
00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:07,639
I'm gonna work my way around this confrontation, and you know,

706
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,960
sort of take a wide route. But for a guy

707
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,079
who says no, fuck no, like I'm not doing that,

708
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:16,159
Like these are the enemy and my mission really is

709
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:18,719
to win the war, and so I'm going to go

710
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:20,679
take these prisoners because I got to drop on them.

711
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:24,280
And so to rush these guys and yet multiple armed

712
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,639
soldiers from the other side to put their hands up,

713
00:40:26,679 --> 00:40:29,960
handy their weapons and then march back as prisoners with you.

714
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,599
I mean, that's just a certain kind of person. You know,

715
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:35,320
there are a lot of super courageous, badass dudes in

716
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,360
World War One who would not have done that. You know.

717
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,960
It's just it really does take a certain kind of

718
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,840
human being, and it's the you know, it's indicative of

719
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,639
traits that we'll see in Hitler as this story continues

720
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,800
to develop. You know, where he's just he was not,

721
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:54,679
to say the least, he was not a man who

722
00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:57,360
for half measures. You know, if he's going to do

723
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,000
something he's gonna do it, and he's going to be

724
00:40:59,000 --> 00:40:59,719
fully committed.

725
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:06,079
Speaker 1: So let's talk about this. The at the end of

726
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:12,239
the war, they time to go home. And I've heard

727
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,440
people say, like, you know, the people the soldiers who

728
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,280
came home from World War Two, because they had a

729
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,360
two months to decompress and they were on a ship

730
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,440
for a while, as compared to like those coming back

731
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,599
from Vietnam, we were just stepping off of a plane.

732
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,800
That the obvious PTS the PTSD wasn't obvious. They had

733
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:36,039
a time to really, they had a time to decompressed

734
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:41,400
before they were sent back into society. That didn't happen here.

735
00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:43,840
They just, I mean a lot of them, I assume,

736
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:49,199
walked home because I mean, what what what else is

737
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,239
there to do? Your army, you've been you've been absolutely devastated,

738
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,119
and not only that, you may have been there for

739
00:41:55,199 --> 00:42:01,320
two three four years in the worst conditions possible that

740
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,400
any human being has seen up until this point. And

741
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,039
we'll never see again, you know. I mean, even if

742
00:42:08,039 --> 00:42:09,800
we have a nuclear war, it's not going to be

743
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,320
like it's not gonna be like that. It'll be hopefully

744
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:17,639
it's over in a second. And these men who just

745
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:21,960
saw the worst possible thing. Come back to a society

746
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:27,079
that is in chaos. I mean, there's no Germany doesn't

747
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:32,280
really have a government and society. In the streets are

748
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,440
people they don't know who are seeking to take over

749
00:42:36,599 --> 00:42:40,800
their country by force. It's like, how do you even

750
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:45,119
begin to imagine what they were going through? And what

751
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,840
the mentality of someone who just saw that for even

752
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,960
if they only saw it for two years, they walk

753
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,400
home and they walk into this. I mean that it's

754
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,119
something that we can't even fathom. And we, you know,

755
00:42:58,119 --> 00:42:59,679
we like to think that we can look back and

756
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:07,360
we can judge these men. I mean, what what do.

757
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,559
Speaker 2: You we have? We have no standing. We have no

758
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:14,079
standing whatsoever to judge these guys, you know, because yeah,

759
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:19,320
you know, imagine you're you're at war. You go home,

760
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,440
like after this, this, this ordeal has come to an end, uh,

761
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,239
and not in your favor. You get home and you

762
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:30,840
find your mother, your father, your little sister on the

763
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:36,039
brink of starving to death. People who are like you know,

764
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,360
I mean German civilians and troops on the front. By

765
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,719
the end of the war, they were eating cats and dogs.

766
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,880
They were just they were, you know, wandering through fields

767
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,159
looking for any edible route they could dig up. There

768
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:48,880
was no food, and so you come home and you

769
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,159
find your family in that state and you want to

770
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,159
look around and say, well what do we do about this? Well,

771
00:43:54,159 --> 00:43:57,760
there's no government, so you know, don't look don't look

772
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,480
over there, there's nobody to look to. And then it's

773
00:44:00,519 --> 00:44:02,079
as you said, you look around. This is really going

774
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:04,679
to be the you know, one of the big themes

775
00:44:04,679 --> 00:44:06,480
in parts of the of the next episode. I was

776
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,920
going to include it more in this one, but it

777
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,880
just kind of got out of hand. Is that, Yeah,

778
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,800
you come home, and it's not just that there are

779
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,559
revolutions kicking off and that cities are popping up and

780
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:22,280
declaring themselves independent or regions are doing that. It's not

781
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,599
just that, it's that, as you said, like a lot

782
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:27,199
of these people, these aren't my fellow soldiers who are

783
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,400
leading these revolutions, Like these are people who stayed behind,

784
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,679
you know, maybe people who had rear echelon jobs, or

785
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,400
you know, they were sailors. You know, it's obviously the

786
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,360
keel Uprising that kind of kicked it off. There's a

787
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,519
lot of sailors who've been sitting in port with nothing

788
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:48,159
to do, and you don't want to leave sailors sitting

789
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,320
around with nothing to do except for complain and talk

790
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,320
to themselves, you know, for four years, because you'll have trouble.

791
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:57,480
I say that as a Navy guy. And yeah, you

792
00:44:57,519 --> 00:44:59,920
come home and it's not only the rear Echelan people

793
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:04,440
and the people who you know just didn't fight very often.

794
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,760
It's people from who recently come over here, from like

795
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,039
Poland and other places, and you have these things kicking

796
00:45:11,079 --> 00:45:13,400
off where, you know, one of the things that I

797
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:16,559
can't remember if I was talking to, but somebody who is.

798
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,760
He's not like us. He's sort of much more normally conservative,

799
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:26,079
you know. I was talking to him about the the

800
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,239
article that Churchill wrote in nineteen twenty Zionism Versus Bolshevism,

801
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:32,960
where if you go through and read that thing, and it's, dude,

802
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,480
it's like a Daily Stormer article. I mean it's like

803
00:45:35,599 --> 00:45:40,639
literally they are responsible for every revolution and civil disruption

804
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,480
since the French Revolution. Like they just go, you know,

805
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,199
just as hardcore as you can go. You get banned

806
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,599
on Twitter in the era of Elon for like writing

807
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:52,599
what Churchill wrote in that thing, right, okay, but like

808
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:56,559
so now the war's over. Russia's way over there. We're

809
00:45:56,599 --> 00:45:59,199
on our little island. We just kicked ass. We've got

810
00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:02,360
our navy in act and all that. And yeah, communism

811
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,719
sucks and it's awful and evil, but it's really like

812
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,559
a geopolitical problem. It's not a social problem in your

813
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,079
own country. You know, they didn't have anything like that. Well,

814
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:12,920
if you take that mentality that Churchill had when he

815
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,559
wrote that article, and you just take it out of

816
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,480
that safe, victorious, you know, environment, and you put it

817
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,559
over in central and eastern Europe where millions of people

818
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:26,480
are being killed right over there, you know, where after

819
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:30,599
the war, you know, you have like one of the

820
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,719
actually one of the interesting things about like Hitler's anti Semitism,

821
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,159
and he sort of alludes to this and talks about

822
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:40,320
it in mind comf although I think like he maybe

823
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:44,599
like you get the impression right, because he talks about

824
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:46,679
how in Vienna before the war, when he was there,

825
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:51,199
that was like his first confrontation with like like real

826
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:55,000
like ostudent. You know. He if he said, if you know,

827
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,079
if we had if we had Jews and Lens, they

828
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,559
were just assimilated German Jews. I didn't know they were

829
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:03,519
Jewish or anything. They're just Germans whatever. Well, here he's

830
00:47:03,519 --> 00:47:05,840
got like real Jews. Then he's confronted with them, and

831
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,000
he sees them and he talks about in mind comf

832
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,639
how like that's when his anti Semitism really started to

833
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,239
sort of percolate and he started to read and come

834
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,679
to these ideas. And that's probably true. But an interesting

835
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,800
thing is that all the people who knew him back then,

836
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,039
and the people who knew him in the trenches, they

837
00:47:21,079 --> 00:47:24,320
all said he never talked about it, like it almost

838
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,960
as if it was this thing that like was interesting

839
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,559
and he was following it and he's learning more about it,

840
00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:33,280
and maybe these feelings and ideas are starting to, you know,

841
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,400
become more fully formed in his mind, but he's really

842
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,559
still in like the lurking four chan phase of the

843
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:43,519
whole thing, you know. But then the war ends and

844
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:49,639
these people watch as Berlin, Munich, the city he was

845
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:51,639
in at the time, you know, all these cities in Germany,

846
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:54,719
people wear in red armbands and declaring for the Soviet Union,

847
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:58,480
you know, declaring Soviet republics in different parts of Germany,

848
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:01,400
and they're breaking away, and all of them are led

849
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,320
by Jews and doesn't mean all of the supporters and

850
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,840
all the people in the streets were That was a

851
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,480
different story. But even still, it's like and then Bela

852
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:13,519
Kun in Hungary there's a revolution, him and his whole

853
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:18,400
government are Jewish. Revolution in Austria communist revolution there, the

854
00:48:18,519 --> 00:48:21,880
whole government is Jewish. And of course, like you know,

855
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,320
as Churchill says in that nineteen twenty article, you know, well,

856
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,239
I mean he actually Churchill actually says in that article

857
00:48:29,599 --> 00:48:33,039
that Germany like was attempted, a bunch of radical Jews

858
00:48:33,039 --> 00:48:35,360
attempted to take over Germany after the war, you know,

859
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,119
and that they did take over Russia. And so if

860
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,800
you take that mentality and then transfer it over to

861
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,360
central or Eastern Europe where where they're watching all of

862
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,360
this happen like out their window, where this is their country,

863
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:54,599
that they know that if these people win, then we're

864
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:57,079
going to be facing what's going on in Russia right

865
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:00,840
now with just you know, yeah, we'll get into that

866
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,239
next series. Your listeners know, well what was going on

867
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:07,159
by this point. What you get is Adolf Hitler. That's

868
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,440
what you get. You take Churchill's mentality, put it in

869
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,599
this much more real, much more pressurized situation where the

870
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,840
threat is an actual threat, and what you get is

871
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,000
somebody like Hitler, like that's that's really what it is,

872
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:21,639
you know, And these people were trying to deal with

873
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:27,159
a threat and a situation that I mean, it's it's

874
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:30,039
hard to comprehend the consequences where you lose. You don't

875
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,639
just lose a war, you don't just lose your country.

876
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:37,079
Millions and millions of you were gonna be enslaved and killed,

877
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,320
you know that, that's what the stakes were for these people.

878
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,519
And when you're in when you're facing something like that

879
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,639
and you don't have a government, and you don't have

880
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:50,039
an intact army or police force or anything like that,

881
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,320
you start to come to some pretty radical conclusions about

882
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,159
the things that have to be done to preserve your

883
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:58,679
own life, your family, your country, and and these people,

884
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,320
these are the cit to serve ccumstances, these people were

885
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,519
working with, you know. It's just it's it's really like,

886
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,519
you couldn't you really couldn't even imagine like a scenario

887
00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:13,639
in the modern world that would put people in a

888
00:50:13,679 --> 00:50:17,119
similar situation, you know, where things have fallen apart to

889
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:21,679
that degree, and you're facing a threat of this severity

890
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,960
like on your horizon, you know, and so it's just

891
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:28,480
intensely pressurized, and you know, and I often tell people like, look,

892
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,360
you know, you can there's a there's a lot of

893
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:39,599
sort of uh explanations, historical explanations for the Jewish leadership

894
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:44,280
of all these revolutionary movements that even Ben Shapiro wouldn't

895
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,119
have a problem with. Like you can, there's there's a

896
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:48,360
bunch of social factors, a bunch of things going on

897
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:50,440
that you can say, well, this is why all of

898
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,239
these things happened, and you could teach it in the

899
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,239
university class good good professors sometimes do. But for the

900
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,840
people who are in that situation, who just went through

901
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,559
this this insane war, who are now coming back and finding,

902
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:07,519
you know, there's artillery being fired outside their window on

903
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,320
their streets, and people being shot and killed on their doorstep,

904
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,280
and this is what they come home to. And then

905
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,159
they look around and all they know is that all

906
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:18,480
of these movements that are kicking all this off are

907
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:21,000
all led by Jews and declaring for the Soviet Union,

908
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,000
which everybody, including Churchill knows is a Jewish you know,

909
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:29,719
takeover of Russia. They're going to come to the obvious conclusion,

910
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,920
and they're going to respond to that in a predictable way.

911
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,639
And you know, the way I often put it to

912
00:51:34,679 --> 00:51:36,960
people who are skeptical about that is, like, you just

913
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,159
imagine America. We lose a major war, like a real war,

914
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,440
to the point that it breaks our society down economically

915
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,639
and politically and socially, so that the government completely collapses

916
00:51:46,639 --> 00:51:48,960
and everything like that, and all of a sudden, different

917
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,840
regions of the country start breaking away and declaring themselves

918
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,960
communist republics, and all of them are led by ethnic Chinese.

919
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,079
It's just not something you'd be able to ignore. You

920
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,960
you have to take that into account and and sort

921
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,239
of draw again, just completely rational conclusions from it, you know,

922
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:12,280
forgetting like whether the responses to that information, you know,

923
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,880
we're rational or not or whatever. But like we'll talk

924
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,679
about that later in the series. But to see that

925
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,440
and to understand it the way that they did completely natural.

926
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,679
You know, you do almost have to be a crazy

927
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,639
person or completely blind to not have that response, you know.

928
00:52:29,519 --> 00:52:34,599
Speaker 1: So Ernst Noltzy describes nineteen fourteen through nineteen forty five

929
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:45,039
as a European civil war. It's accurate, but were what

930
00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:48,760
was the war. You know, that's always the question is

931
00:52:49,119 --> 00:52:55,519
what was the war? Were were Brits so angry at

932
00:52:55,639 --> 00:53:00,840
Germans that they just they had to give Poland a guarantee?

933
00:53:02,039 --> 00:53:10,159
Were it? I think it's when you understand everything you

934
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,880
just said, and like, like the Churchill article is what

935
00:53:13,159 --> 00:53:15,039
takes you to three minutes? Is that a three minute

936
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:18,960
read to a four minute read? Anyone? Anyone could read it?

937
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,800
And you know, he basically argues Zionism, it is better

938
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,039
to push Jews to Zionism than it is to Bolshevism

939
00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:31,599
because Bolshevism is going to basically destroy Europe. And when

940
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:36,559
you look at this European civil war, you know, you

941
00:53:36,639 --> 00:53:38,760
have to come to the conclusion. And I guess that

942
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:43,239
is one of the reasons why Germany is considered the

943
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,400
enemy is because they came to the conclusion and a

944
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:52,440
lot of their a lot of their comrades there, you know,

945
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:57,880
came to the conclusion that this really isn't a war

946
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:01,679
amongst Europeans. It's a war of of we've been infiltrated

947
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:08,000
by this, by this power, and we this this outside power,

948
00:54:08,119 --> 00:54:14,480
this this organized international jewelry, and we're going to be

949
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:18,159
torn apart unless we do something about it, and it

950
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:25,360
just unfortunately it was you know, you could talk about

951
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,400
the focus in Europe in England, which I'm sure that'll

952
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,280
be a part of the series, and everything, talk about

953
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:38,000
FDR getting involved here, talk about Russia, what what the

954
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:43,440
bulsh of, what the power that was that was underway there,

955
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:46,960
and then of course Stalin Stalin takes it a step further.

956
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,079
I mean, this this this European Civil War as Nulty

957
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:56,000
calls it. Yeah, it was a civil war. But you

958
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,599
have to wonder if it wasn't for this outside influence,

959
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:00,760
whether that war would have existed that at all, or

960
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,920
if it would have been as bad as it was.

961
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:11,679
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, you know, certainly the discourse that preceded

962
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:14,760
it and like contributed to its outbreak would have been

963
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,639
would have would have been different, obviously. You know. The

964
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:22,199
thing is like, if you go to nineteen fourteen, you know,

965
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,920
there were powerful Jewish bankers, there were just prominent, wealthy

966
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,079
Jewish activists and things like that. The end of the day,

967
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:33,320
I mean, you still had kings and queens in Europe,

968
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,679
you had kaiser as, you had czars, and those are

969
00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:38,679
the people that started the European Civil War, you know,

970
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,880
and now all of them thought they were getting into

971
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,679
a war of eighteen seventy seventy one. You know, between

972
00:55:44,679 --> 00:55:47,000
the Prussians and the French, they didn't understand what they

973
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,800
were getting into. And once they were in it, you know,

974
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:54,000
just the same old human tendency that kept us in

975
00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:57,119
Afghanistan for twenty years doing nothing, you know, kicks in

976
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,119
where you know, just one more year and maybe you

977
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,280
can change it, or the next battle and now we'll

978
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:04,480
you know, make a breakthrough, or I don't want to

979
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,719
be the prime minister or the president who's in office

980
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:08,519
when this all goes to shit or whatever, and so

981
00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:12,800
they just keep doing it. But over the course of

982
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,440
those thirty years, you do start to see that become

983
00:56:15,519 --> 00:56:17,920
like more a more prominent issue, and you know, you

984
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,360
could say maybe part of that is because of, you know,

985
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,719
the the response that people in interwar Europe had to

986
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:29,639
Jewish influence that brought it to the center. But you know,

987
00:56:29,679 --> 00:56:31,440
you don't have this is one of the things that

988
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:37,559
again it's it's it's really hard to to to quantify

989
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:40,239
this and put this down to like, you know in

990
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,320
ways that are just like it like like it's not

991
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,760
an idea you can necessarily prove, but it's one that

992
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,920
proves itself to common sense that you don't just have

993
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:55,679
or it's possible, but you don't usually just have millions

994
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,880
and millions and millions of people in different countries, speaking

995
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,599
different languages coming to the same conclusion about something that's

996
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:05,199
just completely made up in a fantasy in their own

997
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,800
head that they you know, just in their fever dream.

998
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,519
There's always almost always like there's something behind it that

999
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,639
they're that they're playing off of, and you know, whether

1000
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:17,239
it gets exaggerated or whether their response to it is

1001
00:57:17,559 --> 00:57:19,719
out of whatever. Like those are all separate questions, but

1002
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,559
in terms of how they're understanding the historical events that

1003
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:27,440
doesn't just happen, you know. And you know, I think also,

1004
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:32,000
and this is like, you know, I tend to think

1005
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:37,440
of these things a lot in terms of just broader

1006
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,599
historical like maybe you know, I know, you had a

1007
00:57:41,639 --> 00:57:44,480
great series with Thomas where you guys were going through

1008
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:47,280
the thought of Eric hobbs Bomb. I'm a big hobbs

1009
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:53,039
Bomb guy looking at like the broader historical forces that

1010
00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:58,079
were bringing these various tensions in Europe to a single head,

1011
00:57:58,119 --> 00:58:00,000
you know, and really like in the in the industry

1012
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,480
realized world where in a very very very short period

1013
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:09,000
of time, a couple of decades in many cases, you

1014
00:58:09,039 --> 00:58:14,400
went from having societies that were basically traditional agricultural societies

1015
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,480
where most people lived in the countryside and worked, you know,

1016
00:58:17,519 --> 00:58:22,719
in workshops or worked in agriculture, to very very quickly

1017
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,840
just having these cities of millions and millions of working

1018
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:30,880
men and families packed up in tenement houses and everybody

1019
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,000
living hand to mouth in a way that you know,

1020
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:36,920
it's not like it was back in the a few

1021
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,800
decades back, where you're at your workshop, but nobody needs

1022
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:42,760
shoes right now. Well, you know, you've got a couple

1023
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,039
pigs at home, and you've got a garden and all

1024
00:58:45,039 --> 00:58:47,000
these kind of things, and you kind of, you know,

1025
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:49,679
it kind of patches you over through, you know, the

1026
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:52,159
down part of the cycle. It wasn't like that. It

1027
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:55,320
was just you're completely at the mercy of these larger forces.

1028
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:57,800
Your factory decides to fire you, or you get hurt

1029
00:58:57,800 --> 00:58:59,920
on the job or something. You're just your family does

1030
00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:01,679
have food, and that's just how it is, you know.

1031
00:59:01,719 --> 00:59:04,079
And to Germany's credit, actually they were one of the

1032
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,639
pioneers and beginning like to try to do something about that,

1033
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:11,960
you know, on a policy level. So you have like

1034
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,679
these millions of people and the formation of this new

1035
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,559
thing called the public, you know, in public opinion that

1036
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:20,800
really had not been a thing before that was becoming

1037
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,079
not only becoming a political force, but by the time

1038
00:59:23,079 --> 00:59:25,320
you get up to nineteen fourteen, was really becoming like

1039
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,840
the dominant political force that kings and kaisers had to

1040
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,079
kowtow to, but one that I mean, you know, as

1041
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:38,239
we see like to this day, very mercurial, let's say,

1042
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,440
you know, like public opinion, how the public moves. And

1043
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:44,239
so you have like all of these people too who

1044
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,440
came from a rural situation or a more traditional situation

1045
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,519
where you know, they probably lived near extended family, they

1046
00:59:52,559 --> 00:59:54,960
probably grew up and died around people who knew them

1047
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,639
their whole lives. To being in a place where you

1048
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:03,360
have like your your basic sense of social identity and

1049
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:07,320
individual identity is being sort of shaken down to its core,

1050
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,519
and all of these kind of things that are that

1051
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:17,360
are happening that really created like a public in all

1052
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,400
of these developed countries that was very ready to embrace

1053
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,199
anything that's sort of gosh, there's this do I have

1054
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:31,679
that quote anyway, embrace something that would sort of re

1055
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,440
solidify that sense of identity and cohesion and connection that

1056
01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:38,079
they had lost. You know. And I'm not even talking

1057
01:00:38,079 --> 01:00:40,320
about like the radical movements of the Inner War period.

1058
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,239
I'm talking about leading up to World War One. And

1059
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,280
this goes to how you get. I mean, Hitler is

1060
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:47,920
a perfect example because you know, Younger is a little

1061
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:50,400
bit different because he came from a more stable background.

1062
01:00:50,679 --> 01:00:52,880
But Hitler is just a perfect example of a guy

1063
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,599
who you know, he came from what was essentially middle class.

1064
01:00:55,679 --> 01:01:00,119
His dad was a civil servant. The whole middle class

1065
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:03,840
back then was extremely nationalistic, you know, like you go

1066
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,800
to the schools they sent their sons to and it's

1067
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,400
part of the curriculum. I mean, they were very very

1068
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:12,239
hardcore nationalists. But then you know, he's an artist living

1069
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,760
in Vienna and you know, living in Munich, and he's

1070
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,159
around these working class people who are not nationalistic because

1071
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:25,039
nobody's really selling them on the idea very effectively, and

1072
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:27,239
who are just in a lot of ways very dissolute

1073
01:01:27,239 --> 01:01:29,519
and kind of a mess. And he sort of lives

1074
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,119
in both of these worlds sort of uniquely, and so

1075
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,760
and he ends up as a guy who you know,

1076
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,320
he didn't hate his father or anything like that, but

1077
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,400
his father was very upset that he didn't want to

1078
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:42,000
follow in his footsteps as a civil servant, and they

1079
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,840
had their falling out and Hitler. By the time the

1080
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,920
war comes, it's kind of one of these guys milling

1081
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,000
about in the cities, sort of living hand to mouth

1082
01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:55,840
and trying to figure out what he's a part of,

1083
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,880
Like what is it that you know that my what's

1084
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,960
the larger narrative that my life is? You know, is

1085
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,440
a page in and that was millions and millions of people,

1086
01:02:06,519 --> 01:02:11,920
and so you know, it allowed these governments to you know,

1087
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:13,760
World War One in a lot of ways is like

1088
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:17,199
it World War two also, but it's just different because

1089
01:02:17,239 --> 01:02:19,519
of the level of technology. World War one is so

1090
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:23,599
interesting to me because you know, if you go back

1091
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:27,480
really like throughout most of human history, unless you're talking

1092
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:30,519
about the Romans or something, and they're remarkable, exactly for

1093
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:32,880
this fact, if you send your army out in the

1094
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,280
field and it gets beat then that's it. You got conquered,

1095
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,800
Like that's how that's what happened, you know, like through

1096
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,800
a lot of human history because you didn't have societies

1097
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:48,440
that were as efficiently constructed and that had enough control,

1098
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:53,440
whether totalitarian or authoritarian or just sort of cultural social

1099
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:58,360
control over their populations that would sustain a long war

1100
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,679
where just millions of people are being killed and like

1101
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:02,719
guys are being pulled off their jobs and sent to

1102
01:03:02,760 --> 01:03:04,960
the field and die and doing it again like they

1103
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,159
just you didn't have a social and political system in

1104
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,360
place that could have could have achieved something like that.

1105
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,960
And by the time you get up to World War One,

1106
01:03:11,039 --> 01:03:15,119
this new political formation it's not so new anymore. But

1107
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:18,800
the if you take human history as a whole, it

1108
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,800
is you know, the nation state had reached really like

1109
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,280
its apagey, Like it's just max level of efficiency where

1110
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:27,599
you know, these countries were able to bring to bear.

1111
01:03:29,719 --> 01:03:34,159
I mean just they were able to gear their entire society,

1112
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:37,920
their entire economy, everything toward the conduct of a war

1113
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:42,159
that went on, you know, for years, with without apparent

1114
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:45,039
purpose like to the that was obvious to people a

1115
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,679
lot of the time. And that takes like a very strong,

1116
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,960
very efficient state to do that. And so the nation

1117
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:54,639
state kind of reached that apogee. And that's something again

1118
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,800
I think that only was possible when you have this

1119
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,239
this sort of malleable urban mass of men, you know,

1120
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,559
who are in this in this situation where they're susceptible

1121
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:09,719
to the state's propaganda pro and anti you know, but

1122
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,000
again it makes them susceptible the Bolshevik propaganda and things

1123
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:17,440
like that later too, And you know, yeah, the First

1124
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,360
World War, I mean is you've mentioned a couple of times,

1125
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,880
how like that's it's really not a replicable experience, and

1126
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,400
it's that's true for so many reasons. I mean, the

1127
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,800
battlefield technology obviously makes a trench war like that, you know,

1128
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:35,639
really kind of difficult to imagine over long periods of time,

1129
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:38,519
and nuclear weapons all that. But really also, you know,

1130
01:04:38,719 --> 01:04:41,880
we just you couldn't, you couldn't just keep pulling up

1131
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,679
a Maria, like we almost pulled this country apart in

1132
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:48,559
the nineteen sixties over Vietnam. The idea that you could just,

1133
01:04:48,719 --> 01:04:50,480
you know, in this day and age, or in any

1134
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:55,320
perceivable time going forward, just be pulling millions of people

1135
01:04:55,400 --> 01:04:57,599
off their jobs and just sending them into the meat

1136
01:04:57,639 --> 01:04:59,519
grinder to the point where they're being killed by a

1137
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:02,360
dozen or to a minute, twenty four hours a day,

1138
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,920
three hundred and sixty five days a year, you know,

1139
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,639
in nineteen sixteen and seventy they're just usually they just

1140
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:10,320
couldn't do it. We don't have the kind of commitment

1141
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,519
to our political institutions and the faith in our leadership

1142
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:18,880
to be able to do that. And you know, all

1143
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:22,840
of these things came together back then and and really

1144
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,360
made it possible, you know, where you had all of

1145
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,880
the you know, we were in this bridge phase where

1146
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,920
you had the the you know, the old regimes were

1147
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:37,760
mostly still in control of Europe, but they had at

1148
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:42,159
their disposal these hyper efficient nation states that really like

1149
01:05:42,199 --> 01:05:45,159
in a lot of ways were being influenced and controlled

1150
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:48,199
by forces these monarchs couldn't understand and really didn't know

1151
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,119
about even you know, because they were so so new

1152
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:56,400
and had emerged so recently. Yeah, so it Yeah, anyway,

1153
01:05:56,760 --> 01:05:59,679
I don't even remember what the initial prompt was on that,

1154
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,119
but ranting.

1155
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,159
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that you said a little while ago

1156
01:06:06,519 --> 01:06:11,840
was that what was happening on the streets in Germany

1157
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:18,519
and Berlin and Munich were it's basically war. Basically, you

1158
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:23,679
came there were literally there were gunfights, there were battles,

1159
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:31,960
there was shelling. Can that happen today? Well? Here, let

1160
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:39,400
me ask you this here, I mean highly unlikely. Maybe

1161
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,599
if we do have what some people are calling a

1162
01:06:42,599 --> 01:06:45,440
civil war here, it'll be little pockets here, little pockets

1163
01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:50,880
there of urban versus suburban and ex surban or whatever.

1164
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:56,920
But when I look at something like England, where we

1165
01:06:57,079 --> 01:07:06,119
have this new in history, it was very rare for

1166
01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:10,519
somebody to wake up, somebody whose family lived on an

1167
01:07:10,599 --> 01:07:15,559
island for a thousand years, fifteen hundred years, to wake

1168
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:21,840
up and find that their government has not only declared

1169
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,920
war upon them, but is importing a foreign army to

1170
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:34,440
basically destroy them, displace them, and rape their daughters, rape

1171
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:40,559
their wives, rape their mothers, kill them. And when I

1172
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:44,519
think of what an England is going through right now,

1173
01:07:46,039 --> 01:07:49,960
I can't, you know. And Ireland is building very quickly.

1174
01:07:50,639 --> 01:07:53,480
I listen every podcast I can about Ireland what's going

1175
01:07:53,519 --> 01:08:00,000
on over there. It's not hard for me to believe

1176
01:08:00,079 --> 01:08:05,800
eve that in England and maybe even in Germany's future,

1177
01:08:06,480 --> 01:08:11,760
we're going to see something that is going to be

1178
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,480
similar to what happened then. And you know, it's like people,

1179
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:18,800
when I talk about this, I say, you know, Enoch

1180
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,840
Powell talked about this in the sixties and he had

1181
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:25,359
a very famous speech, and it seems more and more

1182
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:31,840
like in order for the English to solve this problem,

1183
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:38,199
you're going to see some kind of version of his

1184
01:08:38,359 --> 01:08:44,000
most famous speech, like actually happen, because it doesn't seem like.

1185
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,800
I know, some of the English people I talk to say, well,

1186
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:51,960
you know our parliament. Our parliament is sovereign, so if

1187
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,319
we can get our own people elected, they can from

1188
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:58,560
a sovereign spot, you know, be able to say, Okay,

1189
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,920
we're getting rid of all these people and we're going

1190
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,479
to have a massive reset, to which I say, there

1191
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:12,279
is no political solution. There is. Your political solutions are

1192
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:15,800
band aids to get you to the next spot. And

1193
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:19,439
in many cases, like Charles Spidiel says, it's going to

1194
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:24,560
be worse than if you handled it now. And I

1195
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:33,680
see very I see England and Ireland and Europe. If

1196
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:39,920
a miracle does not happen, their future can be a

1197
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,279
modern version. It's not going to look exactly like it,

1198
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:44,479
but it's going to be a modern version of that

1199
01:09:45,119 --> 01:09:49,800
unless they want basically Europe to cease to exist as

1200
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:55,760
it has existed for you know, a thousand years or more.

1201
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, I think the I really worry

1202
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:03,000
about I mean, look, these countries are going to reach

1203
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,199
a point very soon, and a lot of them are

1204
01:10:05,239 --> 01:10:08,920
working toward it now in the face of tremendous opposition,

1205
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,119
again from their own rulers. But they're going to have

1206
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:19,039
to reach a point where everybody knows we're going to

1207
01:10:19,119 --> 01:10:22,439
lose our country, like and are we going to be

1208
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:26,399
willing to do the things that are necessary to keep

1209
01:10:26,479 --> 01:10:29,840
that from happening. And all of those things they make

1210
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,159
us squeamish, They make us uncomfortable, you know. But the

1211
01:10:33,199 --> 01:10:37,840
thing is, I mean there's something look like I get

1212
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,760
in trouble for a lot of from a lot of

1213
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,079
my buddies on the right when I talk about America

1214
01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:46,039
and our history of immigration and everything, you know, and

1215
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:50,000
because for obvious reasons, they don't like the phrase that

1216
01:10:50,039 --> 01:10:52,560
we're a nation of immigrants because of the way it's weaponized.

1217
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,520
But I mean, if you look at our history, it's

1218
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:57,840
it's obviously true. We just you know, we were populated

1219
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,840
by wave after wave of increasingly form or in immigrants,

1220
01:11:02,319 --> 01:11:04,319
and that's how we populate the United States and work

1221
01:11:04,319 --> 01:11:06,960
people in and what that's done, like leaving aside whether

1222
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,000
that has anything to do with immigration today or whatever.

1223
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:11,159
What it has done is it's made it so that

1224
01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,920
American identity is more fluid. You know, we're kind of

1225
01:11:14,039 --> 01:11:17,279
used to having to renegotiate it once a generation or two.

1226
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:19,720
You know, the Anglos had to sort of figure out

1227
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,720
a compromise with the Irish and you know, in the Germans,

1228
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:25,520
and then those guys had to come up with a

1229
01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:28,439
compromise with the Italians and the Jews or whatever. Like

1230
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:31,319
we're kind of just that's part of the process in

1231
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:34,000
America and we kind of take that for granted. And

1232
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:36,119
it makes it so that I think a lot of

1233
01:11:36,119 --> 01:11:40,920
Americans really don't they don't understand how much different it

1234
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:45,199
is to say that Ireland is going to be minority

1235
01:11:45,279 --> 01:11:47,760
Irish in a few decades. I mean, that's a totally

1236
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:52,239
It's just and what kind of a I mean, if

1237
01:11:52,279 --> 01:11:54,920
you think about it, and this was true for somebody

1238
01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:58,479
like Hitler, but it should be true for everybody. Like

1239
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:01,800
losing your country, like that's not something that gets reversed,

1240
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,960
Like you know, once that happens and something else is

1241
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,520
in control and you're a minority, and I mean that

1242
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:11,439
that's not something that you roll back once it accomplishes. Oh,

1243
01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,560
we'll fix it in two hundred years or something when

1244
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:17,399
things change. No, No, that's look at I mean, look

1245
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,119
at the Middle East. It used to be Christian, now

1246
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:23,560
it's not. That's what happens, you know, and these people

1247
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,239
are facing the reality of what is really like the

1248
01:12:27,279 --> 01:12:29,520
worst possible thing that can happen to.

1249
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,119
Speaker 1: A people is you.

1250
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 2: You lose that one little spot in the world that

1251
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:39,239
is yours for you and your people to work out

1252
01:12:39,279 --> 01:12:43,920
your destiny together. And that's you know, I mean, you know,

1253
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:46,359
I take like people talk about Japan and how they're

1254
01:12:46,359 --> 01:12:49,399
all you know, their their demographics are going to collapse

1255
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,920
and you know, all their pension systems are going to

1256
01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,159
be destroyed. It's gonna be chaos. And you'll see people say, well,

1257
01:12:54,159 --> 01:12:55,840
they're gonna have no choice but to bring in a

1258
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,640
bunch of immigrants. And it's like if you talk to

1259
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:03,399
Japanese people, a that's not happening and be you know, like, Okay,

1260
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,840
so maybe they'll go through one hundred years of just

1261
01:13:07,079 --> 01:13:10,920
economic deprivation and social chaos and all these things, but

1262
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,760
guess what, when that hundred years is over, Japan will

1263
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,920
still be Japanese and those people will still be there

1264
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:20,039
together able to work out their destiny, you know, in

1265
01:13:20,079 --> 01:13:24,720
their own way, and that's uh, you know, it's a

1266
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:28,880
it's a it's very difficult when you know Christian people,

1267
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,439
and I don't just mean dedicated Christians, but anybody you

1268
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,560
know who grows up in a Western Christian country has

1269
01:13:36,079 --> 01:13:39,680
even if they don't even if they've abandoned the transcendent elements,

1270
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:44,960
have you know, version of the of the morality still

1271
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:49,119
imbued in them. That it's very hard for people to

1272
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:58,479
you know, we're very uncomfortable with the idea of being unjust,

1273
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,159
whether that's towards somebody who we consider one of our

1274
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,000
own or not. And we don't like being you know,

1275
01:14:04,039 --> 01:14:06,880
we just you know, it genuinely like afflicts our conscience

1276
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,680
to think that we've been unjust towards somebody, and it

1277
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:17,720
makes it so that, you know, you can put it

1278
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:20,880
this way, actually like uh, you know, if like like

1279
01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:25,039
if Ireland had been rolled over and conquered, right or

1280
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:27,720
England had been rolled over and conquered and now somebody

1281
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,079
else is in charge, and then the English rise up

1282
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:35,800
and you know they start fighting back. The spirit of

1283
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,520
the English, like the war spirit that they would bring

1284
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:42,560
to that fight would not be nearly as intense as

1285
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:47,279
as it is when a people wakes up and realizes

1286
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:51,880
that their own best impulses, that their own compassion, their

1287
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:55,000
own patience, their own sense of mercy and justice, that

1288
01:14:55,199 --> 01:14:58,079
all of these things have been wielded against them and to,

1289
01:14:58,279 --> 01:15:00,239
you know, in an attempt to really destroy the them.

1290
01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:05,000
And when people kind of realize that there's no you know,

1291
01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:07,560
when the fight comes after that, there's no room for

1292
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,199
any of those things anymore. You know, people put them

1293
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:17,039
aside and they don't you know. It's yeah, it's the

1294
01:15:17,039 --> 01:15:19,000
saddest thing that's going on in the world right now.

1295
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:21,119
And I don't just say that because I'm a European myself.

1296
01:15:21,159 --> 01:15:22,920
I mean I would say it if it was Japan,

1297
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:26,720
you know, like if Japan or China, any other country

1298
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,920
that's not in Europe or in the Anglo sphere, like

1299
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,760
anywhere in the world, if their government just started against

1300
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:37,119
the consistent will of their people, just importing in one

1301
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,560
importing enough radically foreign people of a different religion, different race,

1302
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:44,439
all these things that in sufficient numbers that they were

1303
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:46,800
going to be a minority in their own country in

1304
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,000
one generation. We would all say, even liberals, everybody would

1305
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:53,239
say Oh, that country's clearly lost its mind. And when

1306
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:56,319
those people rose up and cut their leaders fucking heads off,

1307
01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:59,800
everybody would say, well, that makes sense, you know. I mean,

1308
01:16:00,079 --> 01:16:04,359
that's like no monarch, no European monarch in history, would

1309
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:08,079
have dared due to his people the things that our

1310
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:11,199
rulers are doing to us. He might brutally put down

1311
01:16:11,239 --> 01:16:15,640
an uprising and you know, just massacre of village because

1312
01:16:15,680 --> 01:16:18,479
that's where the uprising came at. Whatever, like, those things

1313
01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:22,159
could happen. But the idea that he's just going to voluntarily,

1314
01:16:22,199 --> 01:16:23,920
I mean, you have like the you know, the Danes

1315
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:25,520
in England and stuff, but they didn't really have much

1316
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:28,520
of a choice there. Obviously, the idea he was just

1317
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:30,720
going to replace his own people and deprive them of

1318
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,279
their homeland like that, they would have they would have

1319
01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:36,760
cut his head off, you know, and anybody reading that

1320
01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:38,880
history book would have thought that those people behaved in

1321
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,760
a perfectly rational way. And Europeans are fast reaching the

1322
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:47,560
point where, well, I guess another way to put it

1323
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:51,760
would be, uh, they're already at the point where if

1324
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,680
nothing happens, then they're going to lose their continent. They're

1325
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:59,079
going to lose their country and every day that goes

1326
01:16:59,119 --> 01:17:00,960
by the measure that are going to have to be

1327
01:17:01,039 --> 01:17:04,359
taken to prevent that get more and more and more

1328
01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:09,319
difficult to stomach. And you just hope it happens sooner

1329
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:10,159
rather than later.

1330
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, as somebody who's both sides of my family have

1331
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:21,960
been here, have been you know, American citizens for you know,

1332
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,319
one hundred, one hundred and twenty, you know years. You know,

1333
01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:29,760
just it's interesting when I what I see people ask

1334
01:17:29,840 --> 01:17:35,359
the question, well, what is an American? And inevitably somebody

1335
01:17:35,399 --> 01:17:38,520
who is a heritage American whose family goes back all

1336
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:40,239
you know, all the way, and you know, these are

1337
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,720
the people that I love and I align with, will

1338
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,560
like hold up, be like, oh look, here's a seventeen

1339
01:17:46,720 --> 01:17:50,399
ninety here's here, here's the Immigration Act of seventeen ninety

1340
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:56,600
saying it's you know, white people. And when they do that,

1341
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:59,399
and I know, I'm going to piss people off. Now,

1342
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:03,239
all I see is conservatives waiving the Constitution as all

1343
01:18:03,279 --> 01:18:07,239
of their rights are being taken away. That's not the answer, bro.

1344
01:18:08,279 --> 01:18:10,479
The answer is who the fuck is going to stand

1345
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:14,039
side by side with you to take you know, to

1346
01:18:14,079 --> 01:18:17,560
stop this this shit. You know, some of them are

1347
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,079
not going to look like you. Some of them are

1348
01:18:20,119 --> 01:18:22,640
not going to be Their families are not going to

1349
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,279
be here. As long as you stop waving pieces of paper,

1350
01:18:26,359 --> 01:18:30,279
stop stop thinking paper is going to solve your problems.

1351
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:35,319
The problems are so existential now that you know saying oh, well,

1352
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:37,359
you know seventeen nights. I mean, these are the same

1353
01:18:37,359 --> 01:18:39,840
people who will say the Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore,

1354
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,520
but then they hold up a piece of paper when

1355
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,399
they want to talk about is what is an American?

1356
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,600
You know? And yeah, I think that people just know

1357
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,239
who an American is. This is all they have. There's

1358
01:18:52,279 --> 01:18:55,159
nowhere else for them to go, and they just they

1359
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:58,520
look at people who come here and use this as

1360
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:03,159
useless place, as a you know, just an economic zone,

1361
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:06,960
and the money exits and it gets sent somewhere else,

1362
01:19:07,399 --> 01:19:10,439
and they're just like, fuck, man, why did my people

1363
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:13,119
come here? Why did my grandfather fight in World War two?

1364
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,840
You know? Why did I Why did why did my

1365
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:18,560
grandfather fight on the wrong side in World War two?

1366
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:21,920
You know, it's like, you know, the Americans shouldn't have

1367
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:23,960
had anything to do with World War two. This, this

1368
01:19:24,279 --> 01:19:33,039
wasn't our fight. And watching people like something you said

1369
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:35,640
a couple of years ago. I think about all the

1370
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:40,239
time you said when Jeffrey Epstein died in his cell

1371
01:19:43,119 --> 01:19:47,159
because the basically the people of the United States didn't

1372
01:19:47,239 --> 01:19:50,000
rise up and overthrow their government at that point is

1373
01:19:50,039 --> 01:19:55,640
basically proof that we're done that that no one's going

1374
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:59,560
to do anything anymore, because it was the most obvious

1375
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,760
thing in the world world what happened there. And yeah,

1376
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:11,079
I mean, I'm yeah, I don't know that fighting what

1377
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,640
fighting is going to solve this anymore. It may it

1378
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,399
may come down to it, but is it you know,

1379
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:24,199
even if you did try to, you know, this is

1380
01:20:24,239 --> 01:20:26,640
in I don't think people realize that this is an

1381
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:31,479
existential fight. That Another thing that really upsets me is

1382
01:20:31,479 --> 01:20:34,399
when people like they look at oh man, do you

1383
01:20:34,439 --> 01:20:37,840
see all the based Lord of the Rings memes a

1384
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:43,039
DHS accounts is putting out there. They're gonna they're gonna

1385
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:46,479
get rid of all the immigrants They're look at they're

1386
01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:52,359
preparing for war. No they're not. They're just placating you.

1387
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:57,079
I mean, they're just they're entertaining you. You're they're making

1388
01:20:57,119 --> 01:20:59,880
you feel I mean, this is to think that it

1389
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,560
was it was the hope of a lot of people,

1390
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:06,439
including myself, that we see a lot of deportations of

1391
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:10,680
people who don't belong obviously don't belong here, the economic zone,

1392
01:21:10,720 --> 01:21:17,720
people that don't belong here. You start there, but it

1393
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:21,840
was never real, you know, it was it was how

1394
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,760
are how are we just kicking the can a little

1395
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:29,159
bit down the road so we figure out a way

1396
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:35,640
through this? And I don't. I mean, I have hope

1397
01:21:35,640 --> 01:21:41,560
that we'll our you know, our posterity will thrive, will

1398
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,359
keep thriving. But it gets to a point where it's

1399
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:48,880
just not it's gonna it's gonna be hard. It's gonna

1400
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,520
be hard. It's you know, when you have AI, when

1401
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,359
you have technology, when you have all this. You know,

1402
01:21:53,399 --> 01:21:56,439
it's like the libertarians used to be like, oh everybody,

1403
01:21:56,880 --> 01:22:00,439
when you say that AI will replace jobs, that you

1404
01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,680
sound like you know, the people who said, oh no,

1405
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:08,239
we need to ban cars because the know the horse

1406
01:22:08,279 --> 01:22:11,359
and buggy, the pors and buggy people. I have people

1407
01:22:11,359 --> 01:22:13,279
who contact me all the time and say, is there

1408
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:16,079
any way do you know anybody who's looking to hire

1409
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,960
like a software somebody's a coder right now. And I'll

1410
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,039
contact people I know and they'll be like, sorry, man

1411
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:25,720
what he wants to do, AI does for me in

1412
01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,600
five minutes, and it does it for twenty dollars a month,

1413
01:22:28,720 --> 01:22:32,920
a twenty dollars a month of description. So I don't

1414
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:37,800
think people realize if I thought things were getting better,

1415
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,520
if I thought things were that Trump was going to

1416
01:22:42,439 --> 01:22:44,600
that we were going to have a savior in government,

1417
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:46,319
I wouldn't be a part of the old Glory Club.

1418
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:52,800
I wouldn't be you know, organizing with people off you know,

1419
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:57,720
off the internet. And I mean, I just I don't

1420
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,680
know how to wake people up to the fact that

1421
01:23:00,840 --> 01:23:06,000
thinking that the government or thinking that, you know, referring

1422
01:23:06,039 --> 01:23:09,039
to documents from two hundred and fifty years ago is

1423
01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:13,359
somehow going to change people's minds. I don't know how

1424
01:23:13,359 --> 01:23:15,000
to convince some otherwise at this point.

1425
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I think about those Heritage Americans

1426
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:24,159
who are waving around the Naturalization Act as if it's

1427
01:23:24,159 --> 01:23:28,720
holy writ, very similarly to like they're making the exact

1428
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:31,560
same mistakes that the whites made during the Russian Revolution.

1429
01:23:32,199 --> 01:23:34,720
Like you just you can't understand that there is an

1430
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,760
existential fight in front of you right now, and that

1431
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,239
you know, you don't you don't have to agree with

1432
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:42,640
that guy about everything over there, the other white army.

1433
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:45,359
But you can hash that out when the Reds are done,

1434
01:23:45,439 --> 01:23:47,720
have finished, you know, and they're just not willing to

1435
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:52,279
do that. And yeah, fortunately, I think, you know, we

1436
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,239
see a lot of those people because they're on our

1437
01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:56,880
side and you know, they're in our social media spheres

1438
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,199
and stuff. But I think the American people in general

1439
01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:02,439
like that. It's they don't think that way. They understand that. Like,

1440
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:06,880
you know, I made this point to uh uh somebody.

1441
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,760
We were talking about race, heritage, American stuff, and I

1442
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,600
told him, I said, look, man, if your movement, if

1443
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:14,920
your idea for where this is going and how we're

1444
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:20,199
going to win involves getting American Christians to think of

1445
01:24:20,239 --> 01:24:25,239
you as their brother because you have the same you know,

1446
01:24:26,159 --> 01:24:29,720
white skin, and that the duskier guy sitting next to

1447
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,199
them in the pew at church is their enemy, then

1448
01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:34,680
you're not going anywhere. That is not going to happen.

1449
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:39,520
And if it does, then you've you've ruined what this

1450
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:43,159
country like, what what makes it, what makes our people good? Anyway,

1451
01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:46,760
you know, it's just a you know, you again, you

1452
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:50,560
have to be able to stand with people who like you,

1453
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:53,680
and this is a crisis moment, you know, like we're

1454
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:56,600
in this point. You asked, like why haven't we done

1455
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,199
anything yet? Or why haven't people risen up? Or if

1456
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:01,239
they haven't by now, then when will they ever? And

1457
01:25:01,279 --> 01:25:03,640
it's it's the same answers in Europe. Is the people

1458
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:08,199
are looking around, they're hoping there surely must be another

1459
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:10,159
way out of this, right, other than the one that

1460
01:25:10,199 --> 01:25:13,520
we all know there must be, right, like don't make

1461
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:16,640
us do that. Please, don't make us do that. And

1462
01:25:17,319 --> 01:25:20,199
you know the forces that are pushing it, they you know,

1463
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:23,640
they want that confrontation. They want to make you do that,

1464
01:25:23,720 --> 01:25:26,520
and they want that confrontation. See see how it shakes out.

1465
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:32,560
I mean, I think, you know it really there's another actually,

1466
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,479
so there's another element to it too, like that really

1467
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,760
I think maybe is even like prior to the political

1468
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,600
and social considerations, or I guess it is sort of

1469
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,600
a social consideration. But you know, you know, I was

1470
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:50,600
thinking the other day, I was my off time, I

1471
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:55,720
was rereading an old essay that I wrote about one

1472
01:25:55,760 --> 01:26:02,039
of the French philosopher to Loses old S on schizophrenia

1473
01:26:02,039 --> 01:26:04,920
and capitalism, and he kind of makes this point that

1474
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,039
I saw somebody make talk about this on Twitter. That's

1475
01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:11,039
why it's fresh in my mind the other day about

1476
01:26:11,039 --> 01:26:13,800
how you know, capitalism is this force. These guys were

1477
01:26:13,840 --> 01:26:17,479
Marxist to lose in his partner guitar, you know, they

1478
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:20,439
were Marxists, but they were very cynical Marxist who didn't

1479
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,119
expect the revolution anytime soon. One of the things that

1480
01:26:23,159 --> 01:26:26,279
they said is that it's completely unrealistic to expect that

1481
01:26:26,319 --> 01:26:30,439
the working class is going to have the ability to

1482
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,359
resist all of the libidinal temptations that are thrown at

1483
01:26:33,399 --> 01:26:36,319
him by capitalism. And that's just true, like you know,

1484
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:39,600
like it is especially now. I mean, just think about this, dude,

1485
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:42,159
like we are. I was talking to a coder about

1486
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:44,359
this who's very much into the AI stuff, which is

1487
01:26:44,399 --> 01:26:46,319
something that's all over my head. But I was asking

1488
01:26:46,399 --> 01:26:49,079
him questions, and I said, how far are we away

1489
01:26:50,039 --> 01:26:56,439
from like VR pornography, where the woman can interact and

1490
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:59,199
respond to you with like her speech and her actions

1491
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:02,199
the way chatgy can talk to you like fully formed

1492
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:05,039
like language models, and you can He said, well, we

1493
01:27:05,039 --> 01:27:07,359
can do that now, just nobody's done it yet. There's

1494
01:27:07,359 --> 01:27:09,239
probably people working on but we could do that. Now

1495
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,479
you get to that point, you see already with you know,

1496
01:27:14,159 --> 01:27:19,039
the legalization of weed and the I mean, back during COVID,

1497
01:27:19,039 --> 01:27:21,279
if you lived in California at the time, like I did,

1498
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,159
you know, your church was closed, your school was closed,

1499
01:27:24,199 --> 01:27:28,199
the weed and liquor stores were all still open. You

1500
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,840
see stuff like that, and you start to realize that,

1501
01:27:32,039 --> 01:27:33,600
you know, in a lot of ways, like Brave New

1502
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:36,600
World is a more realistic dystopia than nineteen eighty four,

1503
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,159
at least for our world, you know. And so for

1504
01:27:39,199 --> 01:27:42,199
the people who want to resist this. And I know

1505
01:27:42,279 --> 01:27:45,720
this sounds like a slogan, like a trite slogan or something,

1506
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:48,479
but dude, it has to start like with you. You have

1507
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,079
to harden yourself against these influences and actually make yourself

1508
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:56,479
like a useful adult human being, you know, because everything

1509
01:27:56,560 --> 01:27:59,000
in our society is trying to draw you into this

1510
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:03,880
morale of you know, hedonic impulses that you know, all

1511
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,439
of life is consumed with fulfilling and everybody around You're

1512
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:09,279
going to look around, everybody around you is sort of

1513
01:28:09,319 --> 01:28:14,760
doing that, and it's incredibly difficult to resist on your own,

1514
01:28:15,399 --> 01:28:18,920
you know, and really like the only way that people

1515
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:22,439
throughout history have because you know, Obviously, throughout most of history,

1516
01:28:22,479 --> 01:28:26,079
the mass of the population didn't have the opportunity to

1517
01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:28,319
just give themselves over to pleasure or something because they

1518
01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:31,520
were too busy farming or whatever. But the aristocracy did,

1519
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:34,840
you know, the wealthy aristocracy did. And what you saw

1520
01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:37,520
is as long as there was like an intact cult

1521
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:41,079
of honor among the aristocracy, it really was like a

1522
01:28:41,119 --> 01:28:44,439
religion to them. They held out against that, but once

1523
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,279
that lost its hold on them, they gave in, you know,

1524
01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:49,720
to the pleasures of the moment. They became degenerate and

1525
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:53,159
fell apart. And that's something that now that you know,

1526
01:28:53,880 --> 01:28:56,920
we have just a level of economic plenty and technology

1527
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:59,840
that can provide, you know, any pleasure you can think of,

1528
01:29:00,199 --> 01:29:03,359
call to virtually everybody in society is something that everybody

1529
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:06,159
is now in the position of. And if you look around,

1530
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:09,000
I mean it's really only people who are part of

1531
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,880
what a lot of outsiders would look at as cults,

1532
01:29:13,039 --> 01:29:15,560
whether it's the Amish or the Mormons or something, who

1533
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:19,239
are having any success whatsoever and resisting that. And so

1534
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,520
the lesson there is not to go start a cult

1535
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:24,399
or join one, but it's to get with your people.

1536
01:29:24,760 --> 01:29:26,960
You need to find out who your people are. You

1537
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:29,479
need to come together with them. You need to hold

1538
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:31,720
each other accountable, and you need to think of that

1539
01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:37,159
as your primary identity because this whole big project, like

1540
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:41,960
you know, I identity has to be and loyalty have

1541
01:29:42,039 --> 01:29:43,960
to work from the inside out, you know what I mean.

1542
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:48,319
Like I have my immediate family, and I love my

1543
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:52,159
extended family. But if my extended family is you know,

1544
01:29:52,359 --> 01:29:56,399
a hostile to my immediate family, then you know, my

1545
01:29:56,479 --> 01:29:59,319
loyalty to them extends so far as they nourish and

1546
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:02,359
support or you know, my more immediate family, and then

1547
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:04,600
my community, and all the way on out to your country.

1548
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,920
You know, your country, the nation state of America. That's

1549
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,239
that shape on the map we all are familiar with.

1550
01:30:11,319 --> 01:30:14,159
That's a that's that's not something that you're going to

1551
01:30:14,239 --> 01:30:16,439
find like in the Holy Bible. You know, that's a

1552
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:21,159
political configuration that came together very often in chaotic circumstances

1553
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:24,479
and by random chance the way things happen, and it's

1554
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:27,720
probably going to change over time. Our system of government

1555
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:30,159
is going to radically change over time. Like you know,

1556
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:32,840
we can't imagine that we've reached the end of history,

1557
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,039
and like this is something that has to be preserved

1558
01:30:35,039 --> 01:30:37,560
at all costs. When we're in a situation like this

1559
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:40,439
where the ruling powers are literally, as you said, at

1560
01:30:40,479 --> 01:30:44,399
war with their own people, trying to destroy us, trying

1561
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:50,079
to replace their own people, you know, trying to devalue

1562
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,760
everything that's important to them and has ever been important

1563
01:30:52,760 --> 01:30:55,359
to their ancestors, you have to realize that you're in

1564
01:30:55,399 --> 01:30:58,680
a situation where those larger things that you want to

1565
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,880
give your loyalty over to probably don't deserve them anymore,

1566
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,399
and maybe one day they will, but in the meantime,

1567
01:31:04,439 --> 01:31:07,439
you need to start here and then build out, you know.

1568
01:31:07,560 --> 01:31:11,880
And so you need to treat that the your your

1569
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:15,000
your local community, whether it's I don't just mean your neighbors,

1570
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,000
but your people, you know, the old Glory Club. I

1571
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,159
love what you guys are doing. I think it's I

1572
01:31:20,159 --> 01:31:21,960
don't know, I don't even think it's a good idea.

1573
01:31:22,079 --> 01:31:24,680
I really think that that path is the only idea

1574
01:31:25,079 --> 01:31:27,800
right now that anybody should really be thinking about. And

1575
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:33,399
you have to treat that thing not like a and again,

1576
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,079
like I don't I'm not saying you should like go

1577
01:31:35,359 --> 01:31:38,680
all crazy Jim Jones or something, but you know, you

1578
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:41,079
have to. You have to treat it almost with a

1579
01:31:41,159 --> 01:31:43,960
cult like mentality and the sense that you know this,

1580
01:31:44,319 --> 01:31:48,880
these are my people, and I have more loyalty to

1581
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:51,880
them into this structure and too, you know this this

1582
01:31:51,960 --> 01:31:54,680
group than I do to any of these larger projects

1583
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:58,279
that are failing me right now. And when you do that,

1584
01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,399
then you have a firm base to then and kind

1585
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:02,640
of work out from and try to and try to

1586
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:06,000
expand larger problem try to solve larger problems.

1587
01:32:06,399 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: But you have to have that base.

1588
01:32:07,520 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 2: Nobody. You can't accomplish anything on your own. Somebody who's

1589
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,640
just out there on his own with nobody holding him

1590
01:32:12,640 --> 01:32:16,359
accountable on a regular basis, nobody that he's afraid of disappointing.

1591
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:21,319
You know that dude is inevitably he's going to reach

1592
01:32:21,359 --> 01:32:24,479
a period in his life where he gets overwhelmed by

1593
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,119
the stress of that particular moment or whatever it is,

1594
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,479
and he's going to become dissolute and fall apart. You

1595
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:34,680
have to have other people around you that you know otherwise,

1596
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,239
you know, like like having our people around us is

1597
01:32:37,239 --> 01:32:40,000
what sort of packs us in and keeps us from

1598
01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:43,720
just dissolving, you know, into nothing. And so it's the

1599
01:32:43,720 --> 01:32:48,439
most important thing and and it's very urgent because, as

1600
01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:50,720
you said, I mean, we're we're already at the point

1601
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:55,520
where things that are going to be very uncomfortable for

1602
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:59,199
even right wing people, you know, because we're all still

1603
01:32:59,239 --> 01:33:02,039
good Christians, you know, in our hearts, are going to

1604
01:33:02,079 --> 01:33:05,520
be very uncomfortable at times. That's already where we're at

1605
01:33:05,680 --> 01:33:08,239
if we're going to turn any of this around, and

1606
01:33:08,800 --> 01:33:11,840
every day that goes by, you know, those measures get

1607
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:17,159
get more intense. So yeah, and oh, you know what,

1608
01:33:17,239 --> 01:33:20,279
let me make one more point. Pares sorry, just because

1609
01:33:20,279 --> 01:33:22,199
it has to do with just exactly this too, and

1610
01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:28,199
it's from personal experience. I was talking to I was

1611
01:33:28,199 --> 01:33:32,199
talking to Dave Smith the other day about just sort

1612
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:35,479
of our experiences of being under fire, like I was

1613
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,560
after the Tucker interview last year, and how as he's

1614
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,199
been at various times. And one of the things that

1615
01:33:40,239 --> 01:33:43,720
we both just sort of spontaneously, you know, spat out,

1616
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:50,960
was that believe it or not, if you've got like

1617
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:55,920
loyal friends and a loyal family, then honestly, like the

1618
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,439
New York Times and the White House Press secretary denouncing

1619
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:02,399
you by name, it all is just noise, Like it

1620
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:06,279
really just is this far away thing that like you

1621
01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:09,359
know it, it doesn't affect you if you have that

1622
01:34:09,479 --> 01:34:13,199
strong base. And so, you know, build your relationships with

1623
01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:15,960
people who are worth building them with and really pour

1624
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,680
yourself into them. Take the initiative, you know, do the

1625
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:23,199
things that are necessary, and understand that strong relationships are

1626
01:34:23,199 --> 01:34:28,119
not something that that just develop because you know, two

1627
01:34:28,199 --> 01:34:30,560
people happen to be compatible with each other or whatever else.

1628
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,720
They take work, go out of your way for your

1629
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:34,880
friends and your family and make sure that they're doing

1630
01:34:34,920 --> 01:34:36,760
the same for everybody else. Like, that's how you build

1631
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,239
that loyalty that is going to stand the test when

1632
01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:40,000
it really matters.

1633
01:34:40,279 --> 01:34:43,800
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to add to that. So

1634
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,199
tell people where they can subscribe to the Martyr Maaide podcast.

1635
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:52,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have a substack. It is at subscribe

1636
01:34:52,159 --> 01:34:55,399
dot martymade dot com. The history show, the one we've

1637
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:59,800
been talking about here, is just free to everybody on iTunes, Spotify,

1638
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:02,800
et cetera. The sub stack is five bucks a month

1639
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,760
or fifty bucks a year. There's a lot of long

1640
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:09,079
essays and exclusive podcasts and all that kind of stuff.

1641
01:35:09,560 --> 01:35:11,760
But I always tell people, you know, if five bucks

1642
01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:14,520
a month is a lot. Right now, I've been there before.

1643
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:16,159
I know what that's like. So just shoot me an

1644
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:19,560
email martyr made at gmail dot com and we'll just

1645
01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:21,439
get you set up because I want everybody to check

1646
01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:24,880
it out if they want to. And then every Friday

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at eight pm Eastern five pm Pacific, me and our

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good friends Scott Horton do our show Provoked Live and

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we take questions and talk about sort of more immediate things.

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Speaker 1: That reminded me of listening to episode one of Enemy

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and you talking about in the beginning, how yeah, I

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just have to stop taking you know, all these invites

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to talk about current events and everything as you start

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a current events podcast that you're doing. Yeah, well, so

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that's true.

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Speaker 2: And our our sort of understanding when we when he

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brought that idea to me, was that this is kind

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of this is something that I show up for an

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hour and uh, we have a chat. I'm not spending

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all week working on the episode or something. He does

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a lot of that work in the research and setting up,

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and I'm kind of there to, uh, you know, witness

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Scott do his thing.

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Speaker 1: But that is true.

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Speaker 2: And I want to say too obviously as you know,

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you already know this, but you know that I was

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talking to my wife about this the other day, because

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I do need to stop letting things like that distract

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me so much. But you know that doesn't have anything

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to do with coming on with my friends. You know,

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you and the guys who have been there and been

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through the ship with me and supported me and just

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just been cool throughout you know that that will always

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be a priority.

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate that. Daryl, thank you, thanks for your time,

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and get to work on part two.

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Speaker 2: Yep, thanks brother.

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Speaker 1: Take care. By S.