Speaker 1: What is up everybody? Welcome to the Headless Giant Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Headless Giant, and I have two titans
Speaker 1: of the alternative research sphere joining me today. I've got
Speaker 1: writer Lee Raised by Giants and JJ Vance not the President.
Speaker 1: Why don't you boys introduce yourselves and then we'll talk
Speaker 1: about our topic.
Speaker 2: Well, damn, this is three dudes wearing some sunglasses on
Speaker 2: a live stream. Hell yeah, boy, I'm Ritter Lee. I
Speaker 2: host a podcast called Raised by Giants on YouTube and
Speaker 2: in you all podcast platforms. I'm also a filmmaker and
Speaker 2: a documentarian. I think that's a word. Documentarian. Have two
Speaker 2: documentaries on Amazon Prime, JFKX Solving the Crime of the
Speaker 2: Century and the brand new documentary of Clockwork Shining.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, writer, you change my dad's life.
Speaker 1: He's always looked into the topic of JFK for as
Speaker 1: long as I've been alive, and your documentary did it.
Speaker 1: It convinced them.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so much stuff that's going on there,
Speaker 2: and with like no one really talks about JD. Tippett
Speaker 2: that looked almost identical to JFK and was shot in
Speaker 2: the exact same places that JFK was shot and he's
Speaker 2: a dead ringer for JFK. His nickname was even JFK
Speaker 2: on the Dallas Police Force. So it's either a really
Speaker 2: similar coincidence or something way more is going on with
Speaker 2: the whole assassination.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and JJ Vance tell the people where they can find.
Speaker 3: You, head. Let's appreciate the invite.
Speaker 4: Writer, always great talking anciently and Cargo Cults with you there, sir,
Speaker 4: JJ Vance not the vice president, do not vote for me.
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty eight, Host.
Speaker 4: Of Operations GCD Podcasts Live Wednesday's Fridays do a lot
Speaker 4: of the epicenter of these de parpolitics and you know,
Speaker 4: Cargo Cults. And I'm a big fan of your JFK
Speaker 4: documentary there as well.
Speaker 3: Writer.
Speaker 4: I know we did discussion on that the cult rejects
Speaker 4: over there with Nick. It's a good, great conversation there.
Speaker 4: Thoroughly enjoyed it and I enjoy the things you all
Speaker 4: bring to light there in that film. And that situation
Speaker 4: is steeped in ancient Allien and Cargo could activity right
Speaker 4: with the folks preceding it, and a lot of the
Speaker 4: folks apparently involved in that, and one character being Carrie Thornley,
Speaker 4: one of these allegedly a port of Jim Garrison, the
Speaker 4: District Attorney of New Orleans, the Oswald double Well. I've
Speaker 4: recently been getting more into the Thornley situation, seeing his
Speaker 4: connections to the processed Church there in New Orleans at
Speaker 4: the very same time, some elements around the Garrison investigation
Speaker 4: revolving around the processed Church there at the very same time,
Speaker 4: including the suspect in the Garrison investigation being the attorney
Speaker 4: who incorporated the process. Only one of many connections. But
Speaker 4: Carrie Thornley himself is from every family. Every branch of
Speaker 4: his family tree is from a pioneering Mormon family. So
Speaker 4: he's very deep in ancient alien cargo cold activity as
Speaker 4: a result of that. So he's an interesting character when
Speaker 4: you look at the epicenter of parapolitics in these ancient
Speaker 4: alien cargo cults throughout time. It never ceases to amaze
Speaker 4: me because that was a that Thornly was a recent
Speaker 4: recent discovery of mine. I had no idea until we
Speaker 4: recently looking into some genealogy, but he's all up in
Speaker 4: that JFK situation as well as far as you know,
Speaker 4: the spooky activity surrounding you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Just for the audience, I want to go into
Speaker 1: a little bit of the basic definition of cargo cults. Now,
Speaker 1: during World War Two, there were lots of really really
Speaker 1: remote tribes that living on islands who then became host
Speaker 1: to the US government, and so the US government decided
Speaker 1: to bring all of their cargo, all their shipment, all
Speaker 1: of the stuff that they would need to you know,
Speaker 1: set up basis of operation in the South South Pacific.
Speaker 1: And what ended up happening was after they left, the
Speaker 1: natives looked back on that time that they were there
Speaker 1: with all that cargo and all that stuff, and they
Speaker 1: started a religious movement based off of getting those those
Speaker 1: you know, Westerners to come back. And this became the
Speaker 1: John from cult. And John Frum was this character that
Speaker 1: they created that was very similar to Jesus but also
Speaker 1: very American. And this John Frum character was the one
Speaker 1: in charge of all of these big ships and all
Speaker 1: of this cargo, and so they would pray to John
Speaker 1: Frum and the John From cult became more of a
Speaker 1: archetypal cult. So it's still around today. You can still
Speaker 1: go to Vana Watu and see the cargo cults from
Speaker 1: World War two and they're like yeah, we know that
Speaker 1: you're not the guys that you know we're worshiping here.
Speaker 1: This is more of a spiritual concept. So you can
Speaker 1: see each phase of how they transformed from you know,
Speaker 1: having sort of like this envy about all this stuff
Speaker 1: that we have, to then taking it to a spiritual level,
Speaker 1: and then taking it beyond the spiritual level into the
Speaker 1: arc tiple level. And when you can see that in
Speaker 1: these cargo cults there, you could start to apply that
Speaker 1: to some of the cargo cults from Europe, early America
Speaker 1: and all the rest of these sort of waiting for
Speaker 1: the ancient alien type cults to go on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the question then becomes how long has this
Speaker 2: been happening for? Right, we know the World War Two
Speaker 2: cargo cults and then up until like in the Vietnam
Speaker 2: War cargo cults, because that was happening then too, But
Speaker 2: how far back through our history, ancient history has that
Speaker 2: been going on. If it's happening in modern times, then
Speaker 2: it was definitely happening back then. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: as easy happening back then it isn't happening now, right,
Speaker 2: So how much of our fairy tales and like lore
Speaker 2: and legend has been steeped around the exact same type
Speaker 2: of situation that's going on with these cargo cults throughout history.
Speaker 2: I mean, all you need is a little bit more
Speaker 2: advanced civilization than other people around the Earth that would
Speaker 2: go and visit them, and then they would think that
Speaker 2: they were like extraterrestrial beings. I mean that's what they thought.
Speaker 2: In the John from they looked at John Frumm as
Speaker 2: like a god, when it was he was just a
Speaker 2: freaking US military delivering goods.
Speaker 1: A good example of that is the ancient Greeks. They
Speaker 1: get a lot of credit as conquerors, but really most
Speaker 1: of what they did was just plant themselves down next
Speaker 1: to another civilization, and then that other civilization saw what
Speaker 1: they were doing and they're like, well, we got to
Speaker 1: do something like that too, So they adopted the same gods,
Speaker 1: and they had this sort of cultural impact that was
Speaker 1: just from them being a little bit more advanced than
Speaker 1: their neighbors, and it basically changed the entire ancent world
Speaker 1: until about you know, zero AD.
Speaker 3: That's right, sure, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: Now I would actually in the same concepts as you're saying,
Speaker 4: they're writers as far as how how far long does
Speaker 4: this go back in the timeline here, you know, and
Speaker 4: what and what what have these kinds If you apply
Speaker 4: the same concepts of the ancient alien cargo cult and
Speaker 4: considering this historical perspective, you know, it makes you wonder what,
Speaker 4: you know, what what how they make how folks have
Speaker 4: made decisions, how some of these ideas have been formed
Speaker 4: over the years.
Speaker 3: You know, that is, those are all very important.
Speaker 4: But I also look to take those same thought processes
Speaker 4: and apply them to the United States government in America.
Speaker 3: That is, we're an ancient alien cargo cult.
Speaker 4: And you know, it makes me wonder the decisions we
Speaker 4: make as a government, because if you're applying these same
Speaker 4: concepts right this is they're making decisions, you know, for
Speaker 4: you know, to achieve an ends that may not even
Speaker 4: be an end that you can even achieve. Right there
Speaker 4: from John Colt. You know, they're in the Pacific Islands.
Speaker 4: They're doing rituals and dances. But that's not going to
Speaker 4: bring another C one thirty down there, you know, you know,
Speaker 4: dropping dropping cargo on their island. Right So you know,
Speaker 4: so I apply these same concepts. So the way we
Speaker 4: look I look at some of the American history decisions
Speaker 4: and whatnot. Because American again, the American government, the Secret
Speaker 4: Society started America, the Mormons, who were very much an
Speaker 4: offshoot of that, even this offshoot of the Society really
Speaker 4: not just Freemasonry. These people are all steeped in these
Speaker 4: ancient alien cargo cold belief systems. So ultimately, speaking from
Speaker 4: a strategic level, at least, they're making decisions, you know,
Speaker 4: contingent upon those belief systems, right, whether it's trying to
Speaker 4: erupt themselves to another planet, whether it's other you know,
Speaker 4: other more socio.
Speaker 3: Political you know, impact visions. But these are the way
Speaker 3: I try to, you know, the perspective. I try to
Speaker 3: look at some of the some of the you know,
Speaker 3: what impacts have these cults had on even throughout moral history,
Speaker 3: but also just American history.
Speaker 1: Right, So a good example would be the sixty eighth
Speaker 1: Convocation with the Rose Cross Order, the Rosicrucians out of Pennsylvania,
Speaker 1: They've always sort of had their their feet in this
Speaker 1: sort of place between worlds, kind of like this hermetic concept.
Speaker 1: And I believe that the Rosicrucians in Pennsylvania go back
Speaker 1: before the founding of the country, with the cult of
Speaker 1: the Woman in the Wilderness. And if you look at
Speaker 1: the if you look at the main guy for the
Speaker 1: Cult of the Woman in the Wilderness, he looks like
Speaker 1: some kind of an alien gray figure. And this is
Speaker 1: the first portrait ever taken in the United States. They
Speaker 1: say that's what it's claim to fame is. But this
Speaker 1: guy really did maybe look a little bit like their gods.
Speaker 1: I mean, how long have they been doing the head
Speaker 1: binding and the you know, all the all the rest
Speaker 1: of that stuff. With the mummies in uh, you know,
Speaker 1: South America. They're trying to make them look like aliens,
Speaker 1: or at least the popular conception of aliens today. So
Speaker 1: why wouldn't that be still existing in the West as
Speaker 1: opposed to just the natives in the North and South
Speaker 1: American continents.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you think of it like if you're secluded,
Speaker 2: and like we have secluded people right now, like in
Speaker 2: the Amazon Rainforest, like tribes of people that have never
Speaker 2: seen really any kind of life outside of their island. Okay,
Speaker 2: And that's crazy to think about in like this day
Speaker 2: and age, that there are groups of people that don't
Speaker 2: know anything about civilization. Like we're here and we have
Speaker 2: all this technology and all this stuff and they're living
Speaker 2: like back like cavemen. Okay, so if you take let's
Speaker 2: just go back like two thousand years or however long
Speaker 2: you want to make it, and those exact same people exist, okay,
Speaker 2: and they never seen anybody outside of the people that
Speaker 2: they know on their island. This is just hyperbole, right,
Speaker 2: So a person that does not look like them has
Speaker 2: wearing different clothes, they have no idea who they are.
Speaker 2: They're going to mistake them for being some kind of god.
Speaker 2: And that's where I think that these Nordic et depictions
Speaker 2: and stuff, like if you're of a completely different race
Speaker 2: and you've never seen somebody with white skin before, and
Speaker 2: they show up on your island, and they may be
Speaker 2: wearing all this gold and like all this jewelry, like
Speaker 2: a freaking ancient Egyptian or something, or you know, I'm
Speaker 2: sure we looked very different from a lot of these people, right,
Speaker 2: and you show up there, they're gonna be like, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, they came from the sky.
Speaker 2: They were the They're the Nordic extraterrestrials for sure. And
Speaker 2: then they ride about them and then they draw them
Speaker 2: on their caves and then it's the exact same thing
Speaker 2: like with these cults, like with the cargo cults of
Speaker 2: like modern day and like the nineteen hundreds, you know,
Speaker 2: and then that gets spread out through mythology, and then
Speaker 2: that turns into something completely different one hundred years, two
Speaker 2: hundred years, three hundred years, a thousand years down the line,
Speaker 2: and then that's how we've established this mythology of like
Speaker 2: these races of extraterrestrial beans, they're not extraterrestrial beans. They're
Speaker 2: just people from other parts of the world that others
Speaker 2: didn't know that they even existed.
Speaker 1: Right, there could be some sort of deep psychological, kind
Speaker 1: of subconscious thing going on with the image of the
Speaker 1: alien gray, and something in our own consciousness that would
Speaker 1: make us see that sort of like all the time,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean at least recently. I don't know
Speaker 1: how far back these people who have been seeing the
Speaker 1: alien grays are going, but there's definitely an uptick and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I wanted to complete the thought for
Speaker 1: Tara Jackson, She's asking, wait, so there were men calling
Speaker 1: themselves women? So the Woman in the Wilderness refers to
Speaker 1: a group of German priests who settled in the Wissahickon
Speaker 1: Valley near Philadelphia in sixteen ninety four, led by Johannes Kelpie.
Speaker 1: That's the guy who I was talking about. If you
Speaker 1: kind of look at that image right there, right, that's
Speaker 1: what they say is that was the first portrait ever
Speaker 1: taken in the United States. And that guy looks like
Speaker 1: a fucking gray I mean sixteen sixteen ninety four and
Speaker 1: he died at forty years old. He was on the
Speaker 1: fortieth parallel. It was a lot of forties and they
Speaker 1: were a end times type cult who believed that.
Speaker 3: That's what That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Yep, you know, go ahead, Well that's the thing is
Speaker 1: like you get a lot of the mix between the
Speaker 1: ancient alien cargo cults and the end of the world cults.
Speaker 3: It's always they're always the same.
Speaker 4: They're always doing weird sax stuff, weird alien stuff, and
Speaker 4: the world's going to end tomorrow, yeah right.
Speaker 2: And the extratreustrills are going to come and save us.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting about that whistle Hicken Valley is that
Speaker 1: that is where the im cult started, is right there
Speaker 1: in that whissle Hicken Valley in Philadelphia.
Speaker 3: That's where it all started.
Speaker 4: What's that That's where it all started for America, right,
Speaker 4: because the Campbell Light movement comes out of this region
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 3: Right, yep, I.
Speaker 2: Thought the IM call started in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Well, they've got one of their I think that's their
Speaker 1: headquarters building right there. Michael Waughd did an investigation out
Speaker 1: at this whistle Hicken and a bunch of these I
Speaker 1: AM cult this came out and they're like, why don't
Speaker 1: you guys come on in. He didn't know what he
Speaker 1: was dealing with, but they talked through the IM spiel
Speaker 1: and everything.
Speaker 2: Because that's where the and the Ballard had a bookstore.
Speaker 2: They kind of, you know, created their entire backbone of
Speaker 2: their cult. And then Guy Ballard went to California around
Speaker 2: the Mount Shasta and that's where he claimed that he
Speaker 2: met h Saint Jermaine, and Saint Jermaine gave him all
Speaker 2: these wisdom teachings and then took them all over the
Speaker 2: world and had to meet the white hats in Washington,
Speaker 2: DC that was going to take down the government and
Speaker 2: he's going to have a government uprising and then it
Speaker 2: was going to restore the currency. And the Saint Jermaine
Speaker 2: had this giant trust that everybody was going to get.
Speaker 2: It's essentially the Q it's the Q cult before Q
Speaker 2: was even a thing, like a long time ago. This
Speaker 2: is in the thirties that the Cult of i Am started,
Speaker 2: but other cults out of Chicago also popped up as well,
Speaker 2: which is the Seekers UFO cult with Dorothy Martin that
Speaker 2: started in nineteen fifty three, which she had many predictions.
Speaker 2: That's another thing with all of the UFO cults as well,
Speaker 2: is that the UFO cults always have predictions that like
Speaker 2: never come true. Like that's one of the things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: hallmark of being a cult is that you got to
Speaker 2: make lots and lots of predictions that never happened and
Speaker 2: then you know, use different excuses as to the reason
Speaker 2: why it didn't happen. But the Seekers UFO.
Speaker 1: Call about the i Am cult and how they tie
Speaker 1: back into this whole sort of hermetic movement is this guy,
Speaker 1: Saint Germaine was supposed to be an alchemist, some say,
Speaker 1: some say he was a vampire. But the idea there
Speaker 1: is that he's like their connection to the past, so
Speaker 1: he's got all the memories that he's transmitting through them
Speaker 1: that sort of take them back to the ancient times
Speaker 1: as well as their connection with whatever these these new
Speaker 1: UFOs are, so it's kind of an interesting crossover there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they actually ended up getting sued by a
Speaker 2: gentleman that wrote a book called Dweller Between Two Planets,
Speaker 2: and well, they really ripped off like everybody, they ripped off,
Speaker 2: Edgar Casey, Elena Brovlowski, Rudolph Steiner, this gentleman that I
Speaker 2: was talking about that that wrote that book. And then
Speaker 2: they ended up getting into a lot of trouble with
Speaker 2: fraud as well. They were conducting a lot of mail fraud,
Speaker 2: like millions of dollars of mail fraud. They were sending
Speaker 2: in these pamphlets to people in the mail and telling
Speaker 2: them that they're going to ascend into the fifth dimension
Speaker 2: of all their ailments and everything is going to be
Speaker 2: healed and all the stuff. That all they needed to
Speaker 2: do was send them money.
Speaker 4: You got to finance that some way, right. That's not
Speaker 4: an easy dimensional deleep, is it? That's finances right there?
Speaker 2: That's right. To do this work, you're going to have
Speaker 2: to have a lot of money, and you need a
Speaker 2: lot of money. Has a lot of money?
Speaker 1: Would you say that the I Am cult became the
Speaker 1: template that all the rest of the UFO cults kind
Speaker 1: of followed to some degree or another.
Speaker 2: Yes, the influences can be seen throughout. It's literally the
Speaker 2: original Sended Master teachings and the basis for the New
Speaker 2: Age community belief systems. I mean, how many people do
Speaker 2: we hear talking I am all the time in the
Speaker 2: spiritual New Age community? I am that I am. It's
Speaker 2: in the Bible, you know, and they repeat that mantra
Speaker 2: over and over again, you know, do the mirror work.
Speaker 2: Stand in front of the mirror and say, I am
Speaker 2: that I am, I am the I am essentially God, right.
Speaker 3: And well, that's what it is, right, It's secular humanism, right,
Speaker 3: That's what it is. You nailed it. It's I am God.
Speaker 3: That's what the I am is, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know it was also a patriotic cult.
Speaker 2: It was, you know, a Christian based that they believe that,
Speaker 2: you know, Jesus was also an ascended Master. And then
Speaker 2: other people throughout the years have like compiled upon that
Speaker 2: and said that Jesus is you know, from Venus, and
Speaker 2: Chrishna's from Venus and that there that there Venus is
Speaker 2: the love planet and all that. And then they came
Speaker 2: down from Venus and that's another thing.
Speaker 3: Is that.
Speaker 2: You know, Guy Ballard was also a supposedly a psychic
Speaker 2: medium and like a hypnotist, like you were just mentioning,
Speaker 2: and you know, they essentially got all of this information
Speaker 2: because Edna had a cult bookstore that she worked at.
Speaker 2: You know, forget what in the I Think nook or
Speaker 2: something like that, and she wrote the Philosopher's Nook. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and but this this took on in like a life
Speaker 2: of its own, and like many people were influenced by
Speaker 2: this cult later on with that that lady, uh shit,
Speaker 2: I'm blanket on her name. She was like the doomsday
Speaker 2: cultist that had the church that had the under ground
Speaker 2: bunkers and everything in like the nineties. Elizabeth Claire Prophet.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Claire Prophet basically took all of their teachings and
Speaker 2: then developed it into her own church. And she even
Speaker 2: had like a big picture of Saint Jermaine in the
Speaker 2: behind her whenever she was up there preaching and everything.
Speaker 2: So she basically took all of the I Am Cult teachings.
Speaker 2: One of her relatives actually had access to all of
Speaker 2: their literature and like all of their work, so she
Speaker 2: just took all that and then created her own quasi
Speaker 2: Christian religious cult.
Speaker 1: And then General Flynn took it from her.
Speaker 3: That was more Theosophy, right, I mean it's almost the
Speaker 3: same same, but right, almost the same same, right.
Speaker 1: Well, Theosophy is a very much Northwestern or northeastern United
Speaker 1: States movement. You know, you get a lot of influence
Speaker 1: at Theosophy all over the East coast, but I think
Speaker 1: the im cult definitely had a large uh yeah contribution
Speaker 1: from them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the manly p Hall Theosophical business going down there
Speaker 4: in Los Angeles, right.
Speaker 1: Right, but you know he kind of moved out there.
Speaker 1: But Theosophy as a movement.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying it became a hub, became a hub.
Speaker 4: That library in the research centers up out there and
Speaker 4: became a hob right, like Kenneth Anger would hang out
Speaker 4: there a lot apparently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that La Center has been really kind of
Speaker 1: I've I've heard people mentioned that on like entertainment TV
Speaker 1: shows for years. It's like that's where I go, that's
Speaker 1: my spiritual center.
Speaker 3: So it is double sur Haan went there, yep, Haines
Speaker 3: sir hands, Oh, good.
Speaker 2: Old sur Hans hands. But so much of the stuff,
Speaker 2: like even like the Twin Flame stuff all comes from
Speaker 2: the cult of I am like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you guys are familiar with the twin flame cult. Netflix
Speaker 2: did a huge docu series on the twin Flame cult
Speaker 2: where it's insane. I probably need to do a video
Speaker 2: on that. That cult. Well, they essentially it's like, you
Speaker 2: know what a twin flame is, Well, what they call
Speaker 2: what a twin flame is is like whenever you're reincarnated,
Speaker 2: your soul is separated into another being or another person,
Speaker 2: and then whenever like you're only meant to be with
Speaker 2: that person, so like you got to go out and
Speaker 2: search and look for your other half, your your twin flame. Well,
Speaker 2: the called of Im had that same type of concept,
Speaker 2: but they called it twin rays. Okay, So then later
Speaker 2: on with the Heaven's Gate called that's what they kind
Speaker 2: of got into as well, with the you know, the
Speaker 2: androgynous nature and you know, making everyone dress the same,
Speaker 2: eat the same things, have the same and change the
Speaker 2: meanings and the names of words to fit their cult.
Speaker 2: But the twin flame called is so they essentially it's
Speaker 2: a newer cult. It started in like twenty twenty I think.
Speaker 3: Or maybe a little bit earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a little bit earlier than that. But they
Speaker 2: would essentially like have like this group of people that
Speaker 2: were involved in this cult, and then they would essentially
Speaker 2: pair them all up together and like make them believe
Speaker 2: that they're supposed to be with that person.
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a great mind control. It's acting great. That's
Speaker 5: exactly what it is. And they ended up getting super rich,
Speaker 5: having millions of dollars and like all this stuff, because
Speaker 5: you know, that's what people want. People want meaning, and
Speaker 5: people want to have answers. And whenever they put their
Speaker 5: their trust and these people that have no idea what
Speaker 5: they're doing, then they easily fall for whatever it is
Speaker 5: that they're seeing. And the I Am called also had
Speaker 5: this thing called Violet Flame. It's so so much of
Speaker 5: the stuff like it can all be traced back to
Speaker 5: the Cult of I Am. And I really think that
Speaker 5: more people need to look into the Cult of I Am.
Speaker 5: And because when you do, you realize that one a
Speaker 5: lot of the stuff is complete and utter garbage that
Speaker 5: has been tossed around today. And too you realize like
Speaker 5: where the source of the information is coming from, and
Speaker 5: a lot of it comes the New Age stuff comes
Speaker 5: from this call of I Am. But really quickly I've
Speaker 5: been talking for a second. But the seekers UFO called
Speaker 5: is really important, and that's another cult that really needs
Speaker 5: to be dissected and examined.
Speaker 2: And it was these that was also in Chicago, and
Speaker 2: it was headed up by this lady named Dorothy Martin
Speaker 2: and George Loghead. So some psychiatrists infiltrated into the cult
Speaker 2: and to examine how they were going to react whenever
Speaker 2: their predictions didn't come true. Like what I was mentioning earlier,
Speaker 2: they always got to have predictions that never come true.
Speaker 2: So some psychologists infiltrated in cozied up to the people
Speaker 2: and then they wanted to examine them for whenever like
Speaker 2: their prediction didn't come true, and how they handled that
Speaker 2: and how what they waite excuses they used to come
Speaker 2: up with that would explain why their prediction failed.
Speaker 1: Psychologists government connected in any way, shape or form. Because
Speaker 1: it sounds like it.
Speaker 2: I am blinking on his name, uh I, I can't
Speaker 2: remember his name. I got a lot of stuff to
Speaker 2: remember in my head.
Speaker 4: You need to tell me, writer that the world did
Speaker 4: not end December twenty first, nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 2: That's what they say. That's what they predicted. And then
Speaker 2: when that didn't happen, they moved it up a couple
Speaker 2: of days, and then when that one didn't happen, they
Speaker 2: moved it out a couple of years. But the psychologists,
Speaker 2: I would have to look more into the psychologists, but
Speaker 2: I would be guessing that he was at least government funded.
Speaker 2: I mean, most psychologists are at least working for some
Speaker 2: kind of college, which is in turn funded by the government.
Speaker 2: So he infiltrated in.
Speaker 4: What psychologists aren't funded by the government. You really think
Speaker 4: about it, right, that's a good point there.
Speaker 2: All of them. Yeah. Right, So whenever they got in there,
Speaker 2: they developed the term cognitive dissonance. So cognitive dissonance literally
Speaker 2: came from this psychologist examining this UFO cult. And I
Speaker 2: was talking about this back two to three years ago,
Speaker 2: and someone brought that up on one of these Netflix
Speaker 2: documentary series of Unexplained Mysteries or whatever, when it's revolving
Speaker 2: around colts, and I was like, this dude watched my
Speaker 2: series on these ufocals, because I have a giant series
Speaker 2: on them, like a playlist on my channel of like
Speaker 2: I think fourteen episodes of all these UFO cults. But
Speaker 2: I had never heard anyone ever mentioned that before until
Speaker 2: I mentioned it, and then it was mentioned on this
Speaker 2: this Netflix documentary, but they didn't go into it, like,
Speaker 2: you know, super deep. And it's just so interesting that
Speaker 2: the term cognitive dissonance was basically formed while studying this
Speaker 2: full group, and now the people that are in this
Speaker 2: community and is a part of upology use it to
Speaker 2: describe people that don't believe or that don't you know,
Speaker 2: that are all mainstream. They're like, oh, you got cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 2: You don't know what you're talking about, right, It's just
Speaker 2: so interesting, But I digress.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a big part of the whole conspiracy culture
Speaker 1: today is to accuse people of cognitive dissonance when they're
Speaker 1: faced with something that doesn't match the reality. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny the way that these things migrate,
Speaker 1: you know. So at first it was the fringe making
Speaker 1: or the mainstream making the allegation of cognitive dissonance against
Speaker 1: the fringe, and now it's the fringe making the accusation
Speaker 1: of cognitive dissonance against the mainstream. So you've kind of
Speaker 1: got to reverse polarities when it comes to these different
Speaker 1: ways of seeing the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, Well, I just looked up his name.
Speaker 2: His name's Leon Futzinger.
Speaker 3: That's quite a name.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had a little I wanted to share real quick.
Speaker 1: So this is the Prince Philip movement. A tribe in
Speaker 1: the South Pacific island of Tana Vanawatsu, which previously worshiped
Speaker 1: Prince Philip as a god, is expected to transfer their
Speaker 1: allegiance to Prince Charles following Prince Philip's death. This shift
Speaker 1: in veneration is due to Prince Charles's visit to Vanahwato
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, where he was given a grasskirt and
Speaker 1: a garland and was appointed an honorary chief. So he
Speaker 1: actually made his way out there to visit the people
Speaker 1: who are worshiping him.
Speaker 3: Prince hilarious. I mean that's hilarious.
Speaker 1: They're worshiping these people still to this day.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just look at pictures. They have frame photographs of
Speaker 4: them and stuff. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: This doesn't stop. And I guarantee you there's so many
Speaker 1: of these world leaders that would like nothing more than
Speaker 1: to have a cult follows their every word.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 4: Well, when you were talking about how all this stuff
Speaker 4: erupted in America, and I was referencing the secret Society
Speaker 4: that started America has these ancient alien cargo cult belief systems,
Speaker 4: and then they would spawn the Mormons, right at least
Speaker 4: in large part with Joseph Smith and a lot of
Speaker 4: the early members. For example, Joseph Smith's grandfather was a
Speaker 4: captain in the Massachusetts chapter of the Society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: one of the original officers in the Washington's Army there,
Speaker 4: and he would start the Mormon Church and Fayette, New York,
Speaker 4: which is named after General Lafayette, the French head of
Speaker 4: the Society of Cincinnati, and they you know, deep in
Speaker 4: mound business, including the golden plates in the mounds, etc.
Speaker 4: But what's interesting is, well he's doing that business migrating.
Speaker 4: In the late eighteen twenties, you have a movement kicking off.
Speaker 4: You know, he's coming across New York and he ends
Speaker 4: up meeting up with some of these folks in Courland, Ohio.
Speaker 4: But separate migration of these same belief systems coming from
Speaker 4: and around that area of Philadelphia with the Campbelllite movement.
Speaker 4: And in fact, one of the one of the major
Speaker 4: you know figures in that movement was a guy by
Speaker 4: the name of Sidney Rigdon and all basically all of
Speaker 4: the early Mormons that Joseph Smith had recruited. By the
Speaker 4: time they got to Carland, Ohio, we're all Sidney Riggin's
Speaker 4: congregation from one of these Campbellite churches. And it's very
Speaker 4: you know, apocalyptic, you know situation. They would spawn you
Speaker 4: know again mashed together with the Mormons, but they would
Speaker 4: spawn the Millerite Miller Rights, which would spawn the Jehovah's Witnesses,
Speaker 4: and all these people are declaring the end of the world, right,
Speaker 4: and when it doesn't happen, it seems like then that
Speaker 4: new leader, that old leader's out, the new leaders in
Speaker 4: and they have a new movement right that goes from
Speaker 4: the Miller Rights to the Jehovah's Witnesses and et cetera,
Speaker 4: et cetera. When they get the dates wrong, right, but
Speaker 4: it all seems erupped around this one geographical era area,
Speaker 4: you know, as you were me out with that with
Speaker 4: that gray looking fellow.
Speaker 1: And what's interesting too is if you look at a
Speaker 1: demographic map of the United States, you see that there
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of pockets of British bloodlines in the
Speaker 1: United States other than New England and Utah, Utah. There's
Speaker 1: nothing but yeah, Anglo Sacks and British people. So it's
Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting when you follow those families.
Speaker 4: You got that Harry Thornley, all of Kerry Thornley's pioneering
Speaker 4: Mormon families all got recruited in England and they all
Speaker 4: came over and migrated west.
Speaker 1: So there are deep ties that I think that goes
Speaker 1: back in these family lineages a lot more than people
Speaker 1: give it credit for. Because you think of Joseph Smith
Speaker 1: as some sort of poor farmer.
Speaker 3: Guy, but he was not, you know, no, no, not
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 4: But he did have an ancient alien cargo, cold belief system,
Speaker 4: it seems, right, seeped in magic and all sorts of
Speaker 4: weird sexual activities that they would later write off as
Speaker 4: simply as polagamy.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. That's interesting. So do you think you're required
Speaker 1: to have more than one wife or engage in orgies
Speaker 1: if you're ever gonna see the aliens?
Speaker 4: Well, I suspect that still goes on to day if
Speaker 4: that's what you're asking.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, everybody, bro.
Speaker 2: Well, it's the top thing of a cult, dude. You
Speaker 2: gotta you gotta be taking everyone's wives and then you
Speaker 2: gotta can you convince them that abstinence uh is of
Speaker 2: a godly order, that God wants you to be obstinate,
Speaker 2: So then the leader can go around and sleep with
Speaker 2: everyone's wives.
Speaker 1: Kind of goes back to John d a little bit.
Speaker 3: Don't you think, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Gotta swamp wives baby, that's the get the information from
Speaker 2: the Nordic aliens bro.
Speaker 4: As well, even Having's gates a sex cold, right, they're
Speaker 4: lopping their dicks off there, you know, they're you know,
Speaker 4: it's not a they're having sex cold but sexual orients
Speaker 4: and cold right style with their sex gold operation.
Speaker 1: Right, they were trying to make themselves into grays.
Speaker 2: That's why I think Marshall apple White was just super
Speaker 2: closet gay and he was ashamed of being gay, and
Speaker 2: so then he convinced people and his followers to get
Speaker 2: like chemically canstrated.
Speaker 1: But I mean it was more than that, because they
Speaker 1: had the whole brainwashing thing down. So you had to
Speaker 1: be smooth brain and smooth crotched to really fit into
Speaker 1: the Marshall apple White cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah for sure, Oh for sure.
Speaker 4: And and you know, I do think a lot of
Speaker 4: this stuff is far more We're pointing out some you know,
Speaker 4: some more recent elements havings Gate, but I think it's
Speaker 4: far more widespread than is publicly known. For example, when
Speaker 4: you consider things like why is an ancient alien cargo cult?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: You know, filled why is the cast of a show
Speaker 4: about ancient aliens? You know, a fictional show Smallville about
Speaker 4: you know, this ancient alien superman who came from this
Speaker 4: foreign planet with all these superpowers.
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: I would argue all these d C comics are a
Speaker 4: Marvel or both the limic and scientology fan fiction, but
Speaker 4: that you know, as in like Marvel Jack Parsons Marvel comics,
Speaker 4: you know his Suicide Squad d C Comics Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3: Right, So anyhow, but you know, you see that when
Speaker 3: you see these these cats, the whole cast of a
Speaker 3: show like this or.
Speaker 4: The Smallville based upon these ancient alien you know, probably
Speaker 4: thlemic fan fiction situations, it makes me wonder, why is
Speaker 4: this whole nexium cult on that cast?
Speaker 3: Why is this ancient alien cargo cult.
Speaker 4: The cast of this show about this whole ancient alien
Speaker 4: cargo cult belief system?
Speaker 1: Right? Well, in that case, I think I would probably
Speaker 1: go for they were targeting this cast, you know, they
Speaker 1: wanted to bring that kind of energy into their into
Speaker 1: their group.
Speaker 3: Well, I would look at it this way.
Speaker 4: I mean that's one way to look at I would
Speaker 4: look at it this way is how how organized is
Speaker 4: this effort? How how you know, how long did they
Speaker 4: plan that? You know what I mean? Was this like
Speaker 4: because you know, I think scientology they do, like you know,
Speaker 4: they're obviously pretty infamous ancient Ilian cargo cult, right, you know,
Speaker 4: with their whole uh xenu and UH belief system, you
Speaker 4: know whatnot but the prison planet, you know.
Speaker 3: Et cetera.
Speaker 4: But the they obviously could get credit for for films
Speaker 4: like Battlefield Earth, right where they're telling the story of uh,
Speaker 4: their their kind of their philosophy, right as el Ron
Speaker 4: Hubber would put it in his book Battlefield Earth, and
Speaker 4: it stars prominent scientologists. You got John Travolta, you got
Speaker 4: Barry Pepper, right, he was they thought he was gonna
Speaker 4: be a big.
Speaker 3: Star for him. Well, you know, they do other films
Speaker 3: I don't think they get credit for.
Speaker 4: You know, you look at a film like Enemy of
Speaker 4: the State, it's full of scientologists, right, So you know,
Speaker 4: I think there are these efforts. You know, when I
Speaker 4: say full of scientologists, will Smith, Jason Lee, Jack Black Body, Elfman,
Speaker 4: Barry Pepper, and the guy was just talking about you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of scientologists in there, right, so I
Speaker 4: think they I think there are organized efforts with these cults, right,
Speaker 4: and I think Small might have been one of those.
Speaker 1: Did you see the big giveaway that they had in
Speaker 1: Enemy of the State, the main guy the NSA had
Speaker 1: John Void, Yeah, John Boyd. They looked up his file
Speaker 1: on you know, the hackers computer right right as his
Speaker 1: birthday was nine to eleven forty four. Oh okay, and
Speaker 1: that was that was another nineteen ninety nine movie that
Speaker 1: had a reference to two thousand.
Speaker 3: And one, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean again, I think there's a lot, there's a
Speaker 4: lot of esoteric understanding of that film.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 4: It's, my opinion, is a scientology film. But it's you know,
Speaker 4: it's an effort. It's another example where they you know,
Speaker 4: you see all these It's not just Battlefield Earth, you know.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, In my opinion.
Speaker 4: Every actor who's done a Marvel or DC film as
Speaker 4: a star is a member of one of these ancient
Speaker 4: alien cargo cults. For another example, Wesley Snipes used all
Speaker 4: of his Blade money and he produced the Blade films
Speaker 4: and started I'm riting with this production company. That production
Speaker 4: company he used a finance an ancient alien cargo cult
Speaker 4: down in Mertle, Georgia, where he built a bunch of
Speaker 4: ancient you know, pyramid city on four hundred acres and
Speaker 4: they had this whole ancient alien belief system. They build
Speaker 4: it on these mounds, you know, always with the mounds.
Speaker 4: And you know, he financed that with the Blade money.
Speaker 3: So if technically speaking, I mean, I guess I'm guilty
Speaker 3: of this too. So but technically speaking, if.
Speaker 4: You went and saw the Blade films, you technically contributed
Speaker 4: to child sex trafficking because that cult was also child
Speaker 4: sex trafficking and the leader of which sits in prison
Speaker 4: the day in Florid Supermax. And that's what they got.
Speaker 4: That's why they got all Wesley for the tax evasion
Speaker 4: over those same films.
Speaker 2: They get in for anything else.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Yes, sir, they got them with the al capone.
Speaker 3: The prosecution is like to call it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a classic technique.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the name of that cult, because I
Speaker 1: think it had something similar to the other one.
Speaker 3: So this is the new Wabbian Nation.
Speaker 4: They're an interesting bunch because they're an official recognized lodge
Speaker 4: of the Prince Hall Freemasonry as well.
Speaker 3: Dwight York was their Grand Poohball or whatever they call it.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but.
Speaker 1: They still got that building in Brooklyn, right.
Speaker 4: They're very well financedcility. They destroyed the entire ancient Egyptian
Speaker 4: city on the mounds that's gone. Some some of their
Speaker 4: local adherents may or may not have committed a ritual
Speaker 4: human sacrifice of an elderly white couple on a mound,
Speaker 4: and then years subsequent to that destruction, so there's a
Speaker 4: lot of back and forestal going on, it seems.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, the tops seemed clueless about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have never seen never I don't even know
Speaker 4: what you're talking about. That's that's their story, right.
Speaker 1: It's pathetic. I mean, some of these cops stories is
Speaker 1: just I mean, it's getting more ridiculous. Like you were
Speaker 1: talking about with the Idaho for the judge had to pronounce, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: no more secrecy because it was just too dirty for
Speaker 1: him to even stomach.
Speaker 3: It's kind out of control.
Speaker 4: The train has left left the track, you know, breach
Speaker 4: for impact in that case, for sure, it's it's a
Speaker 4: ship show. So the the h I have this kind
Speaker 4: of generalized theory writer that all of these, you know,
Speaker 4: when we're saying that all of these things go back
Speaker 4: to I am right like and and they have these,
Speaker 4: you know, the Theosophical I am kind of you know,
Speaker 4: basist a lot of these, you know, these all these
Speaker 4: ancient cargo cults, you know, Mormons included obviously share a
Speaker 4: lot of things with them, you know, despite you know,
Speaker 4: wherever they get their ideas from. I have a lot
Speaker 4: of suggestions because again it's the Founding Fathers that they
Speaker 4: built these ideas from. By a guy like Elias Budeno,
Speaker 4: one of the Founding Fathers, member of the Society Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: he wrote a lot of these ideas that the belief
Speaker 4: systems of the Mormons in a book before, you know,
Speaker 4: years before Joseph Smith. So and again Joseph Smith being
Speaker 4: of these same people, you know, these are another example
Speaker 4: of these these anciently in cargo cult systems.
Speaker 3: But it all seemed would.
Speaker 4: Later at least agree with these I am in Theosophical
Speaker 4: movements and work hand at hand because the second President
Speaker 4: of the Theosophical Society was a member of the Society Cincinnati,
Speaker 4: the guy by the name of Abner Doubleday, the guy
Speaker 4: who allegedly invented baseball. And if you notice that game,
Speaker 4: it's focused around a mound. Just saying, so, you know.
Speaker 3: I have this, but I have this theory.
Speaker 4: Was you're saying that they have these philosophical agreements, like
Speaker 4: you know that I have this theory that all of
Speaker 4: these organizations are just working together and they're going to
Speaker 4: come together like Voltron, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 4: we've even as separate organizations, but like at the top
Speaker 4: of their organizations, like they.
Speaker 3: All know, you know what I mean, Like they all know.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the Mormon Church was founded in when was
Speaker 2: it founded.
Speaker 3: Eighteen thirty, Yeah, eighteen thirty.
Speaker 4: No, eighteen thirty, April eighteen thirty, April six, eighteen thirty.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was, Yeah, it was eighteen thirty. So, but
Speaker 2: it didn't become they didn't move to Utah until well,
Speaker 2: they didn't have their migration to Utah until eighteen forties,
Speaker 2: and then they didn't really start becoming widely popularized until
Speaker 2: like the mid like after World War Two. So that
Speaker 2: puts them I mean, I'm sure that they had their
Speaker 2: their thoughts and their ideas, but not large cultural influence
Speaker 2: until like after w War two.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, is what we call it
Speaker 4: cultural influence as far as population wise or.
Speaker 2: Well, the calt of I AM had thousands and thousands
Speaker 2: of people like already, like in like right after the
Speaker 2: they formed the cult in the early thirties, like they
Speaker 2: were going on like tours and speaking the thousands of
Speaker 2: people in giant auditoriums like all over the United States.
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just I just want to.
Speaker 3: See what you're saying by total volume wise, right, you're
Speaker 3: saying the total volume wise, I was thinking, I was
Speaker 3: thinking by the influential folks who were involved in the movement, right.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean I'm sure that they both like
Speaker 2: borrowed from each other and they both kind of like
Speaker 2: took from it, because that's a classic thing from like
Speaker 2: all these cults, like they just went around and figured
Speaker 2: out like they would go to spiritual centers, they would
Speaker 2: go to church, we go to Catholic churches. They would
Speaker 2: go to wherever any spiritual centers, gurus, and they would
Speaker 2: like talk to like all these people to like cultivate
Speaker 2: their own ideas and and wrap in all their stuff
Speaker 2: for the forming the basis of their cult. So definitely, yeah,
Speaker 2: the freaking cult ufo burrito dude, that's what it is.
Speaker 2: And for sure that they definitely got into Mormonism as well.
Speaker 2: And whenever you're exchanging ideas like that, just like I
Speaker 2: learned from you guys, you guys learned from me, and
Speaker 2: then we kind of you know, cultivate our own ideas
Speaker 2: and it brings up new things.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So definitely they had to have been you know, in
Speaker 2: contact with each other and talking with each other in
Speaker 2: order to you know, uh further there. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: they both took ideas from each other as well. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's the way that it works.
Speaker 3: That's how the Brito ufa brito system works. I for sure.
Speaker 4: I think Abner Doubleday is that character of like the
Speaker 4: epicenter of those agreements.
Speaker 3: Right Like he's the guy who, right like I.
Speaker 4: Was saying, the the Mormon all the Upper Mormons.
Speaker 3: And Original Mormons, they are all society guys.
Speaker 4: They based their philosophies off of books written by society
Speaker 4: members of the Society of Cincinnati. That is, so, you know,
Speaker 4: while it's attributed to Freemasonry going underground to me, it's
Speaker 4: really it's the Society Cincinnati belief system. Some of these
Speaker 4: folks happened to be Freemasons. They went underground at the
Speaker 4: same time and formed the Free the you know, the
Speaker 4: the Mormon Church to put a religious stamp on religious
Speaker 4: freedom at a time when Masony was being prosecuted. They
Speaker 4: didn't want to get wrapped up in that. And again,
Speaker 4: while some of them were Masons, the real storyline is
Speaker 4: they were Society Cincinnati men. So and it's it's you
Speaker 4: know when I say that those things intersect, I think
Speaker 4: they later in sect when you see the Society Cincinnati
Speaker 4: guy Abner Doubleday being.
Speaker 3: The president of the Theosophical Society. Right.
Speaker 2: But then also you have to think, like how much
Speaker 2: of the Mormonism ideology was actually out there for the
Speaker 2: public to actually understand, Like did you actually have to
Speaker 2: convert to be a Mormon in order to actually understand
Speaker 2: their entire belief systems back then?
Speaker 3: Like now?
Speaker 2: Like now you can get on the Internet and like
Speaker 2: search up like all the Mormon belief systems and if
Speaker 2: they come to your door, they'll hand you a pamphlet,
Speaker 2: they give you their basic outline of their religious philosophy,
Speaker 2: But how much of that was actually widely known back
Speaker 2: whenever they were first like starting up, And did you
Speaker 2: have to be a part of the church to kind
Speaker 2: of like scientology, Like did you again? Not like now
Speaker 2: like now you can figure out more things about Scientology
Speaker 2: and their belief systems, but back even forty fifty years ago,
Speaker 2: nobody knew anything about it. You had to pay money
Speaker 2: to the Scientologist Church to get in there to figure
Speaker 2: out the belief systems and rise up through the ranks.
Speaker 2: Now with the Cult of I Am, they were essentially
Speaker 2: out there doing like big, huge seminars. So you didn't
Speaker 2: even have to be a part of the I Am
Speaker 2: Cult to get to know the ideology of the I
Speaker 2: Am Cult. Just be like a regular person off the
Speaker 2: street that receives a pamphlet from the Cold of I
Speaker 2: Am that's going to do one of these traveling seminars
Speaker 2: and you show up to the auditorium and then you
Speaker 2: essentially hear all about it.
Speaker 3: So it's like this, Uh, I see you're saying, and
Speaker 3: I see you're saying.
Speaker 4: But when you were saying there like like scientology, I
Speaker 4: think that's a good correlation with with the way Mormons
Speaker 4: approach their PR game, right, So like you know, but
Speaker 4: you know, all these these cults have a strong PR game, right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I.
Speaker 4: You bring up a good point. I don't know how
Speaker 4: much you could learn about the Mormon Church back you know,
Speaker 4: let's say the eighteen thirties through even the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 4: like you're saying, you know, with even just periodicals. But
Speaker 4: I do know their missionary game was yeah, top, top,
Speaker 4: top notch.
Speaker 1: The j Mormons, they were always.
Speaker 3: Top JW's as well. Yeah, they'll knock on your door,
Speaker 3: they'll saylo the word tie. Well you said when Joseph
Speaker 3: Smith was murdered, he had already dispatched.
Speaker 4: Not just missionaries but diplomats around the world saying that
Speaker 4: he was gonna be the US, So you know he
Speaker 4: had a Again, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: I don't know to the extent which people could learn
Speaker 3: unless you you met with them.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't know what their periodical game was
Speaker 4: like back then, right, and their publications. But yeah, obviously
Speaker 4: the golden era of these colts definitely erupted at the
Speaker 4: time when I am was, you know, righting that way
Speaker 4: for sure, right, they definitely went on that PR tour
Speaker 4: right where the Mormons working on by the nineteen thirties,
Speaker 4: and Mormons were not that was not into their operations
Speaker 4: of pr So you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It can't be stated enough how much of an impact
Speaker 1: Rotary International has had on local communities all across the country.
Speaker 1: And that is basically like the Mormon Church's effort to
Speaker 1: marshal all the forces of these different churches into a
Speaker 1: single unit. And they sort of switch out which church
Speaker 1: runs the Rotary Club, but it's it's all the same
Speaker 1: sort of religious figures. Yeah, between all these different churches
Speaker 1: coming together at the Rotary Club to plan their strategies.
Speaker 2: And that might be what was going on with the
Speaker 2: Cult of im too. Maybe they were working quas with
Speaker 2: the Mormons, and then they knew that the im Call
Speaker 2: thing was going to eventually collapse because it was unsustainable
Speaker 2: and they were going to get sued for fraud and
Speaker 2: mail fraud and they were doing all this ridiculous stuff.
Speaker 2: So what happens to all of those followers of that
Speaker 2: cult whenever it completely collapses and destroys, Well, they're gonna
Speaker 2: they're going to go look for something that is similar
Speaker 2: to their belief system. So the Mormons could have grown
Speaker 2: their congregation just by the members the im call it
Speaker 2: essentially being disbanded. Then they all flocked to Mormonism or
Speaker 2: Jehovah's Witnesses or whatever seems like it's most similar or
Speaker 2: has the same type of structure as the religion or
Speaker 2: cult that they were in before.
Speaker 1: See, that's the thing about the process They seem like
Speaker 1: cult groupies, you know, the Processed Church. It's like that's
Speaker 1: all they want to do, is they just want to
Speaker 1: hang out with and be with cults all the time.
Speaker 4: I'm glad, but I'm glad both of you gents brought
Speaker 4: up these points because that is exactly what goes. And
Speaker 4: I have no doubt the Mothership in Salt Lake City
Speaker 4: has a whole department trying to recruit out of these
Speaker 4: other cults.
Speaker 3: When we even try to end these other cults, right,
Speaker 3: Like it's you know, cult warfare, right.
Speaker 4: But the U there was a fellow who was raised
Speaker 4: by the Processed Church and he's now a Mormon bishop.
Speaker 2: Oh and I saw this video. Not to interrupt you
Speaker 2: just really quickly, just.
Speaker 4: At that point is always wild, right, you get raised
Speaker 4: by the pressor it's no your Mormon bishop, right.
Speaker 2: That's it, that they're all like in exchangeable right right.
Speaker 2: Listen to this video the yesterday, which I don't I
Speaker 2: can't speak to the validity of it, but it was
Speaker 2: an order video of this gentleman talking about how he
Speaker 2: became a priestesst for the Satanic Church.
Speaker 3: Okay, which nice.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't know if it's I don't know if
Speaker 2: this guy is legitimate or whatever, but he essentially said
Speaker 2: the process of how he became a priest for the
Speaker 2: Satanic Church. He said, at first he had to join
Speaker 2: a Freemason organization. Then whenever he rose up through the
Speaker 2: ranks of the Freemason organization, then he had to become
Speaker 2: a Catholic priest, all right. So then after he became
Speaker 2: a Catholic priest, after rising up through the rings of freemasonry,
Speaker 2: then he was able to become a Satanic Church priest.
Speaker 3: Wandering Bishop, That's exactly what I was thinking to wandering bishops.
Speaker 3: Holy smokes, dude, that's exactly I was like, Wait a second,
Speaker 3: do you know about the wandering bishop that provides so much,
Speaker 3: that provides so much impetus behind the wandering bishop movement,
Speaker 3: that you know, just being a regular Spook movement doesn't
Speaker 3: make doesn't completely justify.
Speaker 1: Knights of Malta as well. I mean that they're all
Speaker 1: wandering bishops in the Night of Knights of Malta.
Speaker 4: They've got, dude, that's wild. I never really considered that
Speaker 4: that way. You know, David Ferry, all those dudes in
Speaker 4: the JFK situation right.
Speaker 1: Completely off the hook for any crimes they commit in
Speaker 1: the United States.
Speaker 4: Well yeah, but excuse why they're going after those credentials, right,
Speaker 4: why they want those bona fides? The one of these
Speaker 4: I don't know. I grew up Mormon, so whatever they do.
Speaker 4: One of these stamp some stuff. I don't know how
Speaker 4: they do these things.
Speaker 1: That's all they do.
Speaker 4: I know that it's very important the lineage of that
Speaker 4: hierarchy of your priesthood or whatever, and those dudes are
Speaker 4: always all about that stuff within this wandering bishop stuff.
Speaker 1: Do you know about that.
Speaker 2: Writer, I don't know anything about the wondering bishop.
Speaker 1: This is great. So the the Vatican extends to you
Speaker 1: sort of diplomatic status as a bishop, even though you're
Speaker 1: sort of separated from their organization.
Speaker 2: Is this where they get in trouble and then they
Speaker 2: just send them to a different truth. Yeah, I do
Speaker 2: know about that. I didn't know that that was the
Speaker 2: name of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, wandering bishops are like another form of moved
Speaker 1: from that. So they're not even really associated with the
Speaker 1: Vatican directly. So they've got some sort of deniability.
Speaker 2: But plausible deniability, you got to have that.
Speaker 1: So you've also got the Knights, which used to be
Speaker 1: the Knights Hospitality, so they're over eight hundred years old.
Speaker 1: They also call themselves the Knights of Saint John, but
Speaker 1: they have diplomatic immunity as well for the entire organization.
Speaker 1: And there are so many fucking Knights of Malta all
Speaker 1: over any of these conspiracies around JFK, around all this stuff.
Speaker 3: Administration is chock full of Knights of Malta.
Speaker 2: Well, it's just so interesting that you would need to
Speaker 2: become a Catholic priest before you're you're able to become
Speaker 2: a priest for the Satanic Church. Like, so, like, what
Speaker 2: are all these Catholic priests really doing? You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? And what what is uh? You know what
Speaker 2: what exactly is the Catholic Church? I mean when you
Speaker 2: look at like freaking midnight Mass, dude, it's pretty freaking satanic.
Speaker 1: Bro Right, what are they actually doing.
Speaker 2: In these churches whenever they're like not in operation because
Speaker 2: a lot of the old school Catholic priests would like
Speaker 2: live in a rectory like, right, but like are they
Speaker 2: doing like Satanic rituals inside of the church whenever the
Speaker 2: church is open for uh, you know regular mass?
Speaker 1: Who knows well there is.
Speaker 3: The link between right, you gotta make use of your time.
Speaker 1: Sabity and Frankism. Right, everybody focus focuses on Sabotaze Ebby,
Speaker 1: but hardly anybody focuses on Jacob Frank who infiltrated the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church and he was specifically an Antiinomian along the
Speaker 1: same lines as Satanism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's like frank that's like sabotine Frankism. Huh.
Speaker 4: Right, they're definitely like ritually human sacrifice within those elements.
Speaker 1: It's from my understanding, But in some ways I see
Speaker 1: the churches needing that. Right. The only way that you
Speaker 1: can progress history towards your eschatology is by controlling the
Speaker 1: negative forces, are the evil forces. That's why I think
Speaker 1: the processed Church is so important, is because that's their theology.
Speaker 3: Did the did the aliens say you did the aliens
Speaker 3: say you to say this?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Is this messages from the aliens?
Speaker 1: Not yet I can get to the aliens. They're out there.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a guy.
Speaker 4: There's a guy that floats around the interweb today or
Speaker 4: may or may not have ever existed, who the Church
Speaker 4: of the SubGenius. And then writers do some some shows
Speaker 4: on them as well.
Speaker 3: Bob Dobbs. He takes messages from aliens, an alien named Ion.
Speaker 1: That's the most fun of all of the ancient alien
Speaker 1: cargo cults.
Speaker 4: And as far as really the Church of the SubGenius,
Speaker 4: I know they played off is fun. I I don't.
Speaker 4: I take them just as I take Carry Thornley's Discordianism,
Speaker 4: you know, which SubGenius is kind of an offshoot of that.
Speaker 4: Robert Anton Wilson and Carry Thornley were both part of
Speaker 4: that movement.
Speaker 3: So I look at him very much the same way.
Speaker 4: But Bob Dobbs is tellegedly never existed, although I tell you,
Speaker 4: I think I would disagree.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he's quashes from Ion apparently. I don't know
Speaker 3: what that's about.
Speaker 1: They've got a movie on YouTube. It's it's the Church
Speaker 1: of the SubGenius movie and it is fucking phenomenal. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like an hour and a half of nothing
Speaker 1: but brainwashing. It's just like brainwashing.
Speaker 3: Everywhere is pee Wee Herman in it. He was a member.
Speaker 1: Probably, They've got everybody. They've got the main preacher characters
Speaker 1: and all the rest. The whole thing was like a
Speaker 1: big stage show. It's really a lot more like theater
Speaker 1: than it was.
Speaker 3: That's what they want. That's that's what Ion, the alien
Speaker 3: wants you to believe. Hadless. These are the messages Ions
Speaker 3: trying to deceive you.
Speaker 1: But you can see a lot of influences that came
Speaker 1: out of them, like Gar. I think Gar copied a
Speaker 1: lot from Church of the SubGenius, you know, eighties Devo.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 4: Lead Singer was a prominent member of the Church of
Speaker 4: the SubGenius. If I'm not mistaken. You can look at
Speaker 4: their whole stick and that's kind of the total Church
Speaker 4: of the SubGenius kind of philosophy right there.
Speaker 3: Weird, kind of kooky nature absolutely.
Speaker 4: But again, you know, that's what Ion wants you to believe.
Speaker 1: I've heard interviews with the guy who was I the
Speaker 1: guy who created it, said that he was just flipping
Speaker 1: through a bunch of free Masonic.
Speaker 3: Wits that his father had in.
Speaker 1: These free Masonic books. He's like, uh, yeah, I could,
Speaker 1: I could do something with this. So he just took
Speaker 1: all these free Masonic ideas and then mashed together with
Speaker 1: UFO cults and mash it together with nineteen fifties aesthetic.
Speaker 1: And that's what he claims the JR. Bob Dobbs cult
Speaker 1: came out of.
Speaker 4: But yeah, wait a second, here, this sounds like a
Speaker 4: message directly from Ion. So this fail you're talking about
Speaker 4: is this Ivan Spring. Yeah, I'm talking about the individual
Speaker 4: I know, Ivan Spring. So that's what I'm saying. He
Speaker 4: reports the storyline that Bob Dobbs never existed. I assure
Speaker 4: you Bob Dobbs does exist. Like water World, what water
Speaker 4: does exist? I've seen to You can go to a
Speaker 4: website called bobinion dot com and.
Speaker 3: See for yourself Bob exists.
Speaker 4: Right, and Ion being the alien in which he takes
Speaker 4: all of his messages from those messages I think are
Speaker 4: the ones that I even strang is purporting that you're
Speaker 4: claiming right there headless. In my opinion, you can actually
Speaker 4: I actually grocked it recently on the AI on Twister.
Speaker 4: I said to Bob Dobbs exists or who was Bob Dobbs,
Speaker 4: And he gave me the same narrative you just fed me.
Speaker 4: I think I think Grock is being deceived by Ion
Speaker 4: as well. Bob Dobbs does exist, he is a he
Speaker 4: has a website. I mean, I don't know what this
Speaker 4: this old Ivans I've heard. I've heard the bit you're
Speaker 4: talking about, Ivan Strang. I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't buy it because I've seen to the guy
Speaker 3: has those own websit. He's a real dude.
Speaker 1: Dude, Well, I mean they took him out of a catalog.
Speaker 1: That's the original image. Is they took this picture out
Speaker 1: of a catalog and they're like, we're going to use
Speaker 1: this image as JR.
Speaker 3: Bob Dobbs.
Speaker 1: They just start making masks and stuff. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: real guy and he exists. Is this an alternate timeline?
Speaker 3: This is real life. This is real life. So what
Speaker 3: you're saying is right.
Speaker 4: They took that that in that nineteen fifties telephone book
Speaker 4: Yellow Page's character and they kind.
Speaker 3: Of stylized a little bit right. Folks of the interwebs
Speaker 3: can see that on the album or the disc cover,
Speaker 3: not the album cover, the disccover of Sublimes forty Ounces
Speaker 3: of Freedom. That's Bob Dobbs, right.
Speaker 4: So yeah, this idea, that's what I'm saying. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to buy into IONS propaganda. You know, I've already
Speaker 4: I've already left the mothership with the Mormons. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not going to start subscribing to IONS nonsense.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I can see a whole other shenanigans outside of these all.
Speaker 4: We're just a friendly group. We're just a bunch of
Speaker 4: nice Mormons knocking on your door. We got some ties
Speaker 4: on you know. You know, it's the same it's the
Speaker 4: same stick. It's the you know, it's slightly more technological
Speaker 4: advanced and culturally advanced.
Speaker 3: You know, but it's the same stick. You know.
Speaker 1: You're saying, it's the same kind of cult under two
Speaker 1: or three layers of irony, and they're using the irony
Speaker 1: as bait to get you into their cult.
Speaker 4: One million percent, sir, Yes, And all of these cults
Speaker 4: are going to come together like Voltron only half way
Speaker 4: kidding when I say these things.
Speaker 3: But they all do the same things. You know. The
Speaker 3: I Am the theosophical stuff.
Speaker 1: That's what he based it on, Like in the interviews,
Speaker 1: he said, I wanted her to make it as culty
Speaker 1: as possible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's what Ion wants. I mean, that's of
Speaker 3: course he's gonna say.
Speaker 2: That Ion the old knowing God. But see the thing
Speaker 2: about the Church of the SubGenius, it really had like
Speaker 2: this cultural impact upon the followers as well, because they
Speaker 2: were essentially told to like sit back and do nothing. Right,
Speaker 2: I was one of the first types of cults that like,
Speaker 2: I think, what did they call it slack?
Speaker 3: And then they call it, yeah, slack.
Speaker 2: Like you gotta have slack, like you don't do anything,
Speaker 2: Like everything is going to be essentially handed to you,
Speaker 2: and you just do nothing like you don't And that's
Speaker 2: sort of the exact same kind of rhetoric with the
Speaker 2: I am called that's a exact same kind of rhetoric
Speaker 2: with the Q and on cold like sit back, do nothing.
Speaker 2: The the trust the plan, trust the plan, like all
Speaker 2: these other people are gonna take care of it for you. You
Speaker 2: don't need to do nothing, but listen to this. This
Speaker 2: this Q post, you.
Speaker 3: Know, sounds like something.
Speaker 1: So you just roasted the ship out of gen xers
Speaker 1: basically called them a bunch of uh you know, uh
Speaker 1: trust the player Q and honors. That doesn't play out
Speaker 1: well for gen X because gen X loved that ship,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that you showed that to a
Speaker 1: gen xer today and they'll be laughing their ass off
Speaker 1: for days.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was basically like you know, uh shun like,
Speaker 2: don't have like regular employment, stop working, you know, and
Speaker 2: that kind of represents the entire like slack off, like
Speaker 2: the slack thing. Don't do anything, don't work hard, set back,
Speaker 2: your dreams are going to come true, you know.
Speaker 3: Don't right, you gotta you don't want to expend too
Speaker 3: much slack.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're you know, you're in the good hands
Speaker 2: of what did they call one of them was they
Speaker 2: had many deities, like I think one of them was
Speaker 2: Jehovah one. You're in the good hands of Jehovah one.
Speaker 2: You know, don't worry, you don't need to do anything,
Speaker 2: just chill out, relax.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You kind of see that a lot through that
Speaker 1: sort of nineties resurgence of Hippiism. You know, that was
Speaker 1: the same kind of ideas, just like we could just
Speaker 1: slack off all day, and you got a lot of
Speaker 1: that in the modern leaf too.
Speaker 2: Oh and also they believe that people were descended from
Speaker 2: yetties and that like a sasquad. That makes sense, so
Speaker 2: and anyone there, and but there was a group of
Speaker 2: people that wasn't descended from the yetdies, okay, and then
Speaker 2: that they need to eliminate those people that wasn't descended
Speaker 2: from the yetties.
Speaker 3: The pink and yet warfare.
Speaker 4: Huh, the pink man.
Speaker 1: And you always have to be fighting the pink men. Jeez. Well,
Speaker 1: this has been great. I love having you guys on
Speaker 1: where we're right about an hour so thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us, everybody, and I'll see you again on Thursday
Speaker 1: with lots of new emails. If you have a paranormal
Speaker 1: experience or an alien experience or anything that you want
Speaker 1: to talk about that was kind of weird, email me
Speaker 1: at Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and I
Speaker 1: will read it on the air with Nick on Thursday.
Speaker 1: Thank you all for coming, guys, say goodbye. There you go.