WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.640 What is up everybody? Welcome to the Headless Giant Podcast. 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.639 I'm your host, Headless Giant, and I have two titans 3 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:11.080 of the alternative research sphere joining me today. I've got 4 00:00:11.119 --> 00:00:15.480 writer Lee Raised by Giants and JJ Vance not the President. 5 00:00:15.919 --> 00:00:18.480 Why don't you boys introduce yourselves and then we'll talk 6 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:19.280 about our topic. 7 00:00:20.679 --> 00:00:24.280 Well, damn, this is three dudes wearing some sunglasses on 8 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:30.559 a live stream. Hell yeah, boy, I'm Ritter Lee. I 9 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:34.119 host a podcast called Raised by Giants on YouTube and 10 00:00:34.159 --> 00:00:36.759 in you all podcast platforms. I'm also a filmmaker and 11 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:42.200 a documentarian. I think that's a word. Documentarian. Have two 12 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:46.159 documentaries on Amazon Prime, JFKX Solving the Crime of the 13 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.600 Century and the brand new documentary of Clockwork Shining. 14 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.079 I gotta tell you, writer, you change my dad's life. 15 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:56.200 He's always looked into the topic of JFK for as 16 00:00:56.240 --> 00:01:00.039 long as I've been alive, and your documentary did it. 17 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:00.840 It convinced them. 18 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:01.960 Yeah. 19 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:03.840 I mean, there's so much stuff that's going on there, 20 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:07.200 and with like no one really talks about JD. Tippett 21 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:11.280 that looked almost identical to JFK and was shot in 22 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:15.480 the exact same places that JFK was shot and he's 23 00:01:15.519 --> 00:01:18.120 a dead ringer for JFK. His nickname was even JFK 24 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:22.359 on the Dallas Police Force. So it's either a really 25 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:25.680 similar coincidence or something way more is going on with 26 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:26.719 the whole assassination. 27 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.760 Absolutely, and JJ Vance tell the people where they can find. 28 00:01:30.599 --> 00:01:33.879 You, head. Let's appreciate the invite. 29 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:37.000 Writer, always great talking anciently and Cargo Cults with you there, sir, 30 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:41.120 JJ Vance not the vice president, do not vote for me. 31 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:43.159 In twenty twenty eight, Host. 32 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:48.400 Of Operations GCD Podcasts Live Wednesday's Fridays do a lot 33 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:52.000 of the epicenter of these de parpolitics and you know, 34 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:54.280 Cargo Cults. And I'm a big fan of your JFK 35 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:55.480 documentary there as well. 36 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:55.680 Writer. 37 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:59.000 I know we did discussion on that the cult rejects 38 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.959 over there with Nick. It's a good, great conversation there. 39 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:04.519 Thoroughly enjoyed it and I enjoy the things you all 40 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:08.479 bring to light there in that film. And that situation 41 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:11.639 is steeped in ancient Allien and Cargo could activity right 42 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:13.840 with the folks preceding it, and a lot of the 43 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:18.599 folks apparently involved in that, and one character being Carrie Thornley, 44 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:21.879 one of these allegedly a port of Jim Garrison, the 45 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:25.199 District Attorney of New Orleans, the Oswald double Well. I've 46 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:29.000 recently been getting more into the Thornley situation, seeing his 47 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:32.039 connections to the processed Church there in New Orleans at 48 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.800 the very same time, some elements around the Garrison investigation 49 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:38.639 revolving around the processed Church there at the very same time, 50 00:02:39.039 --> 00:02:42.960 including the suspect in the Garrison investigation being the attorney 51 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:45.960 who incorporated the process. Only one of many connections. But 52 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:51.240 Carrie Thornley himself is from every family. Every branch of 53 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:54.240 his family tree is from a pioneering Mormon family. So 54 00:02:54.719 --> 00:02:57.360 he's very deep in ancient alien cargo cold activity as 55 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.680 a result of that. So he's an interesting character when 56 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:02.240 you look at the epicenter of parapolitics in these ancient 57 00:03:02.280 --> 00:03:05.800 alien cargo cults throughout time. It never ceases to amaze 58 00:03:05.840 --> 00:03:08.120 me because that was a that Thornly was a recent 59 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:10.319 recent discovery of mine. I had no idea until we 60 00:03:10.520 --> 00:03:13.479 recently looking into some genealogy, but he's all up in 61 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:16.280 that JFK situation as well as far as you know, 62 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:17.919 the spooky activity surrounding you. 63 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:23.319 Absolutely. Just for the audience, I want to go into 64 00:03:23.360 --> 00:03:28.800 a little bit of the basic definition of cargo cults. Now, 65 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:32.639 during World War Two, there were lots of really really 66 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:38.800 remote tribes that living on islands who then became host 67 00:03:39.039 --> 00:03:42.639 to the US government, and so the US government decided 68 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:44.960 to bring all of their cargo, all their shipment, all 69 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.199 of the stuff that they would need to you know, 70 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:51.199 set up basis of operation in the South South Pacific. 71 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:55.199 And what ended up happening was after they left, the 72 00:03:55.319 --> 00:03:58.639 natives looked back on that time that they were there 73 00:03:58.680 --> 00:04:01.560 with all that cargo and all that stuff, and they 74 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:07.599 started a religious movement based off of getting those those 75 00:04:07.919 --> 00:04:10.960 you know, Westerners to come back. And this became the 76 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:15.879 John from cult. And John Frum was this character that 77 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:19.000 they created that was very similar to Jesus but also 78 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:22.959 very American. And this John Frum character was the one 79 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:25.439 in charge of all of these big ships and all 80 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:27.399 of this cargo, and so they would pray to John 81 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:32.279 Frum and the John From cult became more of a 82 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.439 archetypal cult. So it's still around today. You can still 83 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:38.120 go to Vana Watu and see the cargo cults from 84 00:04:38.120 --> 00:04:40.839 World War two and they're like yeah, we know that 85 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:44.279 you're not the guys that you know we're worshiping here. 86 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.839 This is more of a spiritual concept. So you can 87 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:51.040 see each phase of how they transformed from you know, 88 00:04:51.120 --> 00:04:53.560 having sort of like this envy about all this stuff 89 00:04:53.560 --> 00:04:57.160 that we have, to then taking it to a spiritual level, 90 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.720 and then taking it beyond the spiritual level into the 91 00:04:59.839 --> 00:05:03.120 arc tiple level. And when you can see that in 92 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:07.639 these cargo cults there, you could start to apply that 93 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:11.560 to some of the cargo cults from Europe, early America 94 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:14.439 and all the rest of these sort of waiting for 95 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:18.480 the ancient alien type cults to go on. 96 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:23.040 Yeah, And the question then becomes how long has this 97 00:05:23.120 --> 00:05:26.839 been happening for? Right, we know the World War Two 98 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.439 cargo cults and then up until like in the Vietnam 99 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.639 War cargo cults, because that was happening then too, But 100 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:39.240 how far back through our history, ancient history has that 101 00:05:39.399 --> 00:05:44.120 been going on. If it's happening in modern times, then 102 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.879 it was definitely happening back then. I mean, it's just 103 00:05:46.920 --> 00:05:50.160 as easy happening back then it isn't happening now, right, 104 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:53.800 So how much of our fairy tales and like lore 105 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.680 and legend has been steeped around the exact same type 106 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.439 of situation that's going on with these cargo cults throughout history. 107 00:06:01.759 --> 00:06:04.920 I mean, all you need is a little bit more 108 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:10.920 advanced civilization than other people around the Earth that would 109 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:12.800 go and visit them, and then they would think that 110 00:06:12.839 --> 00:06:16.000 they were like extraterrestrial beings. I mean that's what they thought. 111 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.920 In the John from they looked at John Frumm as 112 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:20.920 like a god, when it was he was just a 113 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:24.759 freaking US military delivering goods. 114 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:28.560 A good example of that is the ancient Greeks. They 115 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.240 get a lot of credit as conquerors, but really most 116 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.079 of what they did was just plant themselves down next 117 00:06:35.079 --> 00:06:38.439 to another civilization, and then that other civilization saw what 118 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:39.959 they were doing and they're like, well, we got to 119 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.759 do something like that too, So they adopted the same gods, 120 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.959 and they had this sort of cultural impact that was 121 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:49.240 just from them being a little bit more advanced than 122 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:52.879 their neighbors, and it basically changed the entire ancent world 123 00:06:52.920 --> 00:06:54.920 until about you know, zero AD. 124 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:59.759 That's right, sure, yeah, for sure. 125 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:03.240 Now I would actually in the same concepts as you're saying, 126 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:05.920 they're writers as far as how how far long does 127 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.439 this go back in the timeline here, you know, and 128 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:10.879 what and what what have these kinds If you apply 129 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:14.040 the same concepts of the ancient alien cargo cult and 130 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:18.240 considering this historical perspective, you know, it makes you wonder what, 131 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:21.519 you know, what what how they make how folks have 132 00:07:21.560 --> 00:07:23.600 made decisions, how some of these ideas have been formed 133 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:24.240 over the years. 134 00:07:24.759 --> 00:07:26.279 You know, that is, those are all very important. 135 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.120 But I also look to take those same thought processes 136 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:32.360 and apply them to the United States government in America. 137 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:34.439 That is, we're an ancient alien cargo cult. 138 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:38.360 And you know, it makes me wonder the decisions we 139 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.360 make as a government, because if you're applying these same 140 00:07:41.399 --> 00:07:45.519 concepts right this is they're making decisions, you know, for 141 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:48.720 you know, to achieve an ends that may not even 142 00:07:48.759 --> 00:07:51.519 be an end that you can even achieve. Right there 143 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.120 from John Colt. You know, they're in the Pacific Islands. 144 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:56.120 They're doing rituals and dances. But that's not going to 145 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.399 bring another C one thirty down there, you know, you know, 146 00:07:59.519 --> 00:08:02.519 dropping dropping cargo on their island. Right So you know, 147 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:04.759 so I apply these same concepts. So the way we 148 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.160 look I look at some of the American history decisions 149 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:10.759 and whatnot. Because American again, the American government, the Secret 150 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.240 Society started America, the Mormons, who were very much an 151 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:16.839 offshoot of that, even this offshoot of the Society really 152 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.120 not just Freemasonry. These people are all steeped in these 153 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:23.480 ancient alien cargo cold belief systems. So ultimately, speaking from 154 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:26.639 a strategic level, at least, they're making decisions, you know, 155 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:29.639 contingent upon those belief systems, right, whether it's trying to 156 00:08:29.800 --> 00:08:32.200 erupt themselves to another planet, whether it's other you know, 157 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:33.600 other more socio. 158 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:36.240 Political you know, impact visions. But these are the way 159 00:08:36.279 --> 00:08:38.159 I try to, you know, the perspective. I try to 160 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.320 look at some of the some of the you know, 161 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:44.039 what impacts have these cults had on even throughout moral history, 162 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.240 but also just American history. 163 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.200 Right, So a good example would be the sixty eighth 164 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:57.679 Convocation with the Rose Cross Order, the Rosicrucians out of Pennsylvania, 165 00:08:58.240 --> 00:09:01.360 They've always sort of had their their feet in this 166 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:06.600 sort of place between worlds, kind of like this hermetic concept. 167 00:09:06.879 --> 00:09:11.600 And I believe that the Rosicrucians in Pennsylvania go back 168 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:15.120 before the founding of the country, with the cult of 169 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.720 the Woman in the Wilderness. And if you look at 170 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:19.960 the if you look at the main guy for the 171 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:22.320 Cult of the Woman in the Wilderness, he looks like 172 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.480 some kind of an alien gray figure. And this is 173 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.480 the first portrait ever taken in the United States. They 174 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:33.320 say that's what it's claim to fame is. But this 175 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.519 guy really did maybe look a little bit like their gods. 176 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:39.759 I mean, how long have they been doing the head 177 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:42.759 binding and the you know, all the all the rest 178 00:09:42.799 --> 00:09:45.600 of that stuff. With the mummies in uh, you know, 179 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:48.679 South America. They're trying to make them look like aliens, 180 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.600 or at least the popular conception of aliens today. So 181 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:55.159 why wouldn't that be still existing in the West as 182 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:57.960 opposed to just the natives in the North and South 183 00:09:57.960 --> 00:09:58.919 American continents. 184 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.559 Well, I mean, you think of it like if you're secluded, 185 00:10:02.799 --> 00:10:05.799 and like we have secluded people right now, like in 186 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:09.200 the Amazon Rainforest, like tribes of people that have never 187 00:10:09.279 --> 00:10:14.480 seen really any kind of life outside of their island. Okay, 188 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:17.360 And that's crazy to think about in like this day 189 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:21.399 and age, that there are groups of people that don't 190 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:25.320 know anything about civilization. Like we're here and we have 191 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:27.840 all this technology and all this stuff and they're living 192 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:33.559 like back like cavemen. Okay, so if you take let's 193 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:36.360 just go back like two thousand years or however long 194 00:10:36.399 --> 00:10:41.720 you want to make it, and those exact same people exist, okay, 195 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.240 and they never seen anybody outside of the people that 196 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:49.879 they know on their island. This is just hyperbole, right, 197 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:55.519 So a person that does not look like them has 198 00:10:55.600 --> 00:10:58.279 wearing different clothes, they have no idea who they are. 199 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:02.200 They're going to mistake them for being some kind of god. 200 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:07.799 And that's where I think that these Nordic et depictions 201 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:10.679 and stuff, like if you're of a completely different race 202 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:16.360 and you've never seen somebody with white skin before, and 203 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.639 they show up on your island, and they may be 204 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:22.440 wearing all this gold and like all this jewelry, like 205 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:27.320 a freaking ancient Egyptian or something, or you know, I'm 206 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:30.759 sure we looked very different from a lot of these people, right, 207 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.320 and you show up there, they're gonna be like, oh. 208 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:35.799 My god, they came from the sky. 209 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.799 They were the They're the Nordic extraterrestrials for sure. And 210 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.159 then they ride about them and then they draw them 211 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.519 on their caves and then it's the exact same thing 212 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.519 like with these cults, like with the cargo cults of 213 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:54.000 like modern day and like the nineteen hundreds, you know, 214 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.519 and then that gets spread out through mythology, and then 215 00:11:57.559 --> 00:12:01.080 that turns into something completely different one hundred years, two 216 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.799 hundred years, three hundred years, a thousand years down the line, 217 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:09.120 and then that's how we've established this mythology of like 218 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:13.519 these races of extraterrestrial beans, they're not extraterrestrial beans. They're 219 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:16.759 just people from other parts of the world that others 220 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:18.360 didn't know that they even existed. 221 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:23.200 Right, there could be some sort of deep psychological, kind 222 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.360 of subconscious thing going on with the image of the 223 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.879 alien gray, and something in our own consciousness that would 224 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:35.279 make us see that sort of like all the time, 225 00:12:35.480 --> 00:12:37.679 you know, I mean at least recently. I don't know 226 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:40.679 how far back these people who have been seeing the 227 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:43.960 alien grays are going, but there's definitely an uptick and 228 00:12:44.039 --> 00:12:46.080 all that stuff. I wanted to complete the thought for 229 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:49.320 Tara Jackson, She's asking, wait, so there were men calling 230 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.679 themselves women? So the Woman in the Wilderness refers to 231 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:55.559 a group of German priests who settled in the Wissahickon 232 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:59.919 Valley near Philadelphia in sixteen ninety four, led by Johannes Kelpie. 233 00:13:00.879 --> 00:13:04.080 That's the guy who I was talking about. If you 234 00:13:04.200 --> 00:13:08.759 kind of look at that image right there, right, that's 235 00:13:09.279 --> 00:13:11.519 what they say is that was the first portrait ever 236 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.000 taken in the United States. And that guy looks like 237 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:18.480 a fucking gray I mean sixteen sixteen ninety four and 238 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.879 he died at forty years old. He was on the 239 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.960 fortieth parallel. It was a lot of forties and they 240 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:29.080 were a end times type cult who believed that. 241 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.240 That's what That's what I was gonna say. 242 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:34.639 Yep, you know, go ahead, Well that's the thing is 243 00:13:34.720 --> 00:13:37.279 like you get a lot of the mix between the 244 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:40.279 ancient alien cargo cults and the end of the world cults. 245 00:13:40.879 --> 00:13:41.960 It's always they're always the same. 246 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.320 They're always doing weird sax stuff, weird alien stuff, and 247 00:13:44.320 --> 00:13:46.840 the world's going to end tomorrow, yeah right. 248 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.919 And the extratreustrills are going to come and save us. 249 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:53.000 And what's interesting about that whistle Hicken Valley is that 250 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.360 that is where the im cult started, is right there 251 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.440 in that whissle Hicken Valley in Philadelphia. 252 00:13:58.960 --> 00:13:59.960 That's where it all started. 253 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.360 What's that That's where it all started for America, right, 254 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.480 because the Campbell Light movement comes out of this region 255 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:05.879 as well. 256 00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:08.440 Right, yep, I. 257 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.360 Thought the IM call started in Chicago. 258 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:12.840 Well, they've got one of their I think that's their 259 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.879 headquarters building right there. Michael Waughd did an investigation out 260 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:19.080 at this whistle Hicken and a bunch of these I 261 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:21.360 AM cult this came out and they're like, why don't 262 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:23.360 you guys come on in. He didn't know what he 263 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:26.639 was dealing with, but they talked through the IM spiel 264 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:27.279 and everything. 265 00:14:28.679 --> 00:14:33.799 Because that's where the and the Ballard had a bookstore. 266 00:14:33.879 --> 00:14:37.639 They kind of, you know, created their entire backbone of 267 00:14:38.039 --> 00:14:41.960 their cult. And then Guy Ballard went to California around 268 00:14:42.080 --> 00:14:46.080 the Mount Shasta and that's where he claimed that he 269 00:14:46.200 --> 00:14:52.679 met h Saint Jermaine, and Saint Jermaine gave him all 270 00:14:52.759 --> 00:14:55.399 these wisdom teachings and then took them all over the 271 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:59.600 world and had to meet the white hats in Washington, 272 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:02.600 DC that was going to take down the government and 273 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:05.399 he's going to have a government uprising and then it 274 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:10.759 was going to restore the currency. And the Saint Jermaine 275 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.639 had this giant trust that everybody was going to get. 276 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.480 It's essentially the Q it's the Q cult before Q 277 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:21.960 was even a thing, like a long time ago. This 278 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:26.080 is in the thirties that the Cult of i Am started, 279 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:30.240 but other cults out of Chicago also popped up as well, 280 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:34.000 which is the Seekers UFO cult with Dorothy Martin that 281 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:39.360 started in nineteen fifty three, which she had many predictions. 282 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.480 That's another thing with all of the UFO cults as well, 283 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:47.720 is that the UFO cults always have predictions that like 284 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:52.799 never come true. Like that's one of the things. Yeah, 285 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.240 hallmark of being a cult is that you got to 286 00:15:56.279 --> 00:16:00.080 make lots and lots of predictions that never happened and 287 00:16:00.320 --> 00:16:05.639 then you know, use different excuses as to the reason 288 00:16:05.639 --> 00:16:09.320 why it didn't happen. But the Seekers UFO. 289 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:13.559 Call about the i Am cult and how they tie 290 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:17.399 back into this whole sort of hermetic movement is this guy, 291 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:20.759 Saint Germaine was supposed to be an alchemist, some say, 292 00:16:20.879 --> 00:16:23.039 some say he was a vampire. But the idea there 293 00:16:23.120 --> 00:16:25.480 is that he's like their connection to the past, so 294 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:28.720 he's got all the memories that he's transmitting through them 295 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.559 that sort of take them back to the ancient times 296 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:35.200 as well as their connection with whatever these these new 297 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:39.120 UFOs are, so it's kind of an interesting crossover there. 298 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.559 Yeah, And they actually ended up getting sued by a 299 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:48.840 gentleman that wrote a book called Dweller Between Two Planets, 300 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:53.360 and well, they really ripped off like everybody, they ripped off, 301 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:57.559 Edgar Casey, Elena Brovlowski, Rudolph Steiner, this gentleman that I 302 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:59.840 was talking about that that wrote that book. And then 303 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:01.679 they ended up getting into a lot of trouble with 304 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:04.799 fraud as well. They were conducting a lot of mail fraud, 305 00:17:05.359 --> 00:17:08.240 like millions of dollars of mail fraud. They were sending 306 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:10.720 in these pamphlets to people in the mail and telling 307 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.400 them that they're going to ascend into the fifth dimension 308 00:17:13.440 --> 00:17:15.559 of all their ailments and everything is going to be 309 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.960 healed and all the stuff. That all they needed to 310 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.039 do was send them money. 311 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:21.559 You got to finance that some way, right. That's not 312 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:25.599 an easy dimensional deleep, is it? That's finances right there? 313 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:28.440 That's right. To do this work, you're going to have 314 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:29.880 to have a lot of money, and you need a 315 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.680 lot of money. Has a lot of money? 316 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.759 Would you say that the I Am cult became the 317 00:17:35.799 --> 00:17:38.480 template that all the rest of the UFO cults kind 318 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:39.920 of followed to some degree or another. 319 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:45.319 Yes, the influences can be seen throughout. It's literally the 320 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:52.200 original Sended Master teachings and the basis for the New 321 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.319 Age community belief systems. I mean, how many people do 322 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.680 we hear talking I am all the time in the 323 00:17:57.720 --> 00:18:01.200 spiritual New Age community? I am that I am. It's 324 00:18:01.240 --> 00:18:04.960 in the Bible, you know, and they repeat that mantra 325 00:18:05.079 --> 00:18:07.359 over and over again, you know, do the mirror work. 326 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:09.200 Stand in front of the mirror and say, I am 327 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.519 that I am, I am the I am essentially God, right. 328 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.519 And well, that's what it is, right, It's secular humanism, right, 329 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:17.400 That's what it is. You nailed it. It's I am God. 330 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:18.799 That's what the I am is, right. 331 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:24.519 Yeah, And you know it was also a patriotic cult. 332 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:29.440 It was, you know, a Christian based that they believe that, 333 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:33.160 you know, Jesus was also an ascended Master. And then 334 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:37.039 other people throughout the years have like compiled upon that 335 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:39.640 and said that Jesus is you know, from Venus, and 336 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:45.279 Chrishna's from Venus and that there that there Venus is 337 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.839 the love planet and all that. And then they came 338 00:18:48.920 --> 00:18:52.319 down from Venus and that's another thing. 339 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:52.759 Is that. 340 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:57.240 You know, Guy Ballard was also a supposedly a psychic 341 00:18:57.319 --> 00:18:59.759 medium and like a hypnotist, like you were just mentioning, 342 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.559 and you know, they essentially got all of this information 343 00:19:04.640 --> 00:19:09.359 because Edna had a cult bookstore that she worked at. 344 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:15.119 You know, forget what in the I Think nook or 345 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:22.000 something like that, and she wrote the Philosopher's Nook. Yeah, 346 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:25.799 and but this this took on in like a life 347 00:19:25.799 --> 00:19:29.680 of its own, and like many people were influenced by 348 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:34.440 this cult later on with that that lady, uh shit, 349 00:19:35.160 --> 00:19:39.640 I'm blanket on her name. She was like the doomsday 350 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:43.039 cultist that had the church that had the under ground 351 00:19:43.039 --> 00:19:46.960 bunkers and everything in like the nineties. Elizabeth Claire Prophet. 352 00:19:48.279 --> 00:19:52.680 Elizabeth Claire Prophet basically took all of their teachings and 353 00:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.200 then developed it into her own church. And she even 354 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.319 had like a big picture of Saint Jermaine in the 355 00:20:00.839 --> 00:20:04.079 behind her whenever she was up there preaching and everything. 356 00:20:04.640 --> 00:20:08.079 So she basically took all of the I Am Cult teachings. 357 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.319 One of her relatives actually had access to all of 358 00:20:11.359 --> 00:20:13.839 their literature and like all of their work, so she 359 00:20:14.000 --> 00:20:18.240 just took all that and then created her own quasi 360 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:21.599 Christian religious cult. 361 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:22.960 And then General Flynn took it from her. 362 00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:29.240 That was more Theosophy, right, I mean it's almost the 363 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:32.119 same same, but right, almost the same same, right. 364 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:36.200 Well, Theosophy is a very much Northwestern or northeastern United 365 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.119 States movement. You know, you get a lot of influence 366 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.440 at Theosophy all over the East coast, but I think 367 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.960 the im cult definitely had a large uh yeah contribution 368 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:46.519 from them. 369 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:50.440 Yeah, the manly p Hall Theosophical business going down there 370 00:20:50.440 --> 00:20:51.640 in Los Angeles, right. 371 00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:54.400 Right, but you know he kind of moved out there. 372 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.319 But Theosophy as a movement. 373 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.240 I'm not saying it became a hub, became a hub. 374 00:20:58.279 --> 00:21:00.519 That library in the research centers up out there and 375 00:21:00.559 --> 00:21:03.480 became a hob right, like Kenneth Anger would hang out 376 00:21:03.519 --> 00:21:04.319 there a lot apparently. 377 00:21:05.200 --> 00:21:08.200 Yeah, that that La Center has been really kind of 378 00:21:08.839 --> 00:21:13.359 I've I've heard people mentioned that on like entertainment TV 379 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:15.720 shows for years. It's like that's where I go, that's 380 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:16.799 my spiritual center. 381 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:22.160 So it is double sur Haan went there, yep, Haines 382 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.160 sir hands, Oh, good. 383 00:21:23.960 --> 00:21:28.039 Old sur Hans hands. But so much of the stuff, 384 00:21:28.079 --> 00:21:30.440 like even like the Twin Flame stuff all comes from 385 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:32.960 the cult of I am like, I don't know if 386 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:35.880 you guys are familiar with the twin flame cult. Netflix 387 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.799 did a huge docu series on the twin Flame cult 388 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:42.440 where it's insane. I probably need to do a video 389 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:48.720 on that. That cult. Well, they essentially it's like, you 390 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:51.119 know what a twin flame is, Well, what they call 391 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.559 what a twin flame is is like whenever you're reincarnated, 392 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:58.359 your soul is separated into another being or another person, 393 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:01.319 and then whenever like you're only meant to be with 394 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:04.039 that person, so like you got to go out and 395 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:08.720 search and look for your other half, your your twin flame. Well, 396 00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:13.680 the called of Im had that same type of concept, 397 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:18.319 but they called it twin rays. Okay, So then later 398 00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:23.799 on with the Heaven's Gate called that's what they kind 399 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.440 of got into as well, with the you know, the 400 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:34.480 androgynous nature and you know, making everyone dress the same, 401 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:37.240