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Speaker 3: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time
Speaker 3: for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. I'm
Speaker 3: your host, as always, George Hobbes. As we record it
Speaker 3: is Monday, April twenty eighth, twenty twenty five. We've had
Speaker 3: beautiful spring weather and we've commenced fishing. As I was
Speaker 3: talking to our guests before we got started, just a
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Speaker 3: Everyone has one, and without any further ado, we're going
Speaker 3: to hear Matt's story and Matt is joining us from
Speaker 3: the Show Me State. And Matt, again, thank you so
Speaker 3: much for taking the time out to join us tonight.
Speaker 1: How are you, sir, I'm good, sir. Thank you for
Speaker 1: having me.
Speaker 3: It's a pleasure to have you and I love that
Speaker 3: part of the country. And without any further ado, please
Speaker 3: feel free to introduce yourself.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm Matt, and like you said, I'm from the
Speaker 4: Show Me State. I've always been a conspiracy guy. My
Speaker 4: father was the one who introduced me to conspiracies, you know,
Speaker 4: at a young age, starting with Fast Watch, and it
Speaker 4: just they just grew from there. I've always questioned everything,
Speaker 4: from government to just to everything. One thing I never
Speaker 4: questioned was the shape of the earth. It's just one
Speaker 4: of those ones that eluded me. And then when I
Speaker 4: did finally start to kind of gain some traction to
Speaker 4: look into it, I fell cook line and singer for
Speaker 4: the documentary on there on Netflix that behind the kind
Speaker 4: of yep, kind of steered me wrong for a bit,
Speaker 4: but I got back on track in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 4: and I know now I can't believe it. It's just one
Speaker 4: of those things when you when it finally hits you,
Speaker 4: it's like, seriously, how did I miss all this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And that's I just wrote an article today on
Speaker 3: my website talking about Gatekeeping one oh one and how
Speaker 3: many of these people or many of these documentaries are
Speaker 3: put in place to almost get you there, and then
Speaker 3: they they hang a quick left and get you away
Speaker 3: from from the real truth.
Speaker 1: Yep, for sure.
Speaker 3: And it's funny you mentioned Sasquatch because this weekend I
Speaker 3: was talking with a relative and Sasquatch bigfoot that was
Speaker 3: kind of a big deal in the late seventies and
Speaker 3: early eighties. It was very mainstream, and I know there
Speaker 3: is a very popular podcast that covers it, but I
Speaker 3: feel like that it was more of a llure back
Speaker 3: in the seventies and eighties than it is today. What's
Speaker 3: your thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: I'm along the lines of the nephelum, believing that if
Speaker 4: there's out there, that's what they are.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's many people have said that, and I'm starting
Speaker 3: to believe that's a great point. Once again gatekeeping. They
Speaker 3: want you to believe that there's this conspiracy theory that
Speaker 3: there's this one or two, you know, unidentified walking mammals
Speaker 3: that's nine feet tall, hairy, long arms. But then you
Speaker 3: start to do further research and you know, maybe the
Speaker 3: pyramids were done by these people. Maybe Sasquatch is actually
Speaker 3: this person, and so on and so forth, and the
Speaker 3: other thing. I wanted to ask you maybe a little
Speaker 3: early in delving into this, but we're already here. You
Speaker 3: mentioned behind the curve, and that is very much gatekeeping.
Speaker 3: One oh one, right, what was your thoughts on the
Speaker 3: final experiment?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, wow, that's that's that's loaded there, man.
Speaker 4: I'm just I don't think that was the end all.
Speaker 4: First off, there's there's too many other things, you know.
Speaker 1: I know that.
Speaker 4: There's other models out there of the flat Earth that
Speaker 4: show at twenty four hours son and Antarctic Alonzo's Stephen
Speaker 4: Alonzo's model.
Speaker 1: Does I think?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 4: And the or I can't remember the other guy's name
Speaker 4: who who has a working model with a twenty four
Speaker 4: hours son, So you know it was.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's fake. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's real. It's a lot of divided the community, which
Speaker 4: was the sad part of it.
Speaker 1: That's what I took away from the most from it,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm sure that was one of I'm sure
Speaker 3: they had several goals. One was to revert flat earthers
Speaker 3: back to the globe. But number two was, like anything else,
Speaker 3: infiltrate a movement, whether you know, whatever the case may be. Sorry,
Speaker 3: I have a large piece of farming equipment just went by.
Speaker 3: But to infiltrate these movements, these truth movements or anti
Speaker 3: government movements, insert that, they infiltrate it and they ruin it.
Speaker 3: And you may be the first or maybe the second
Speaker 3: person to mention doctor Alonzo. I think he's a Canadian guy,
Speaker 3: if I'm not mistaken. Maybe he's English, but.
Speaker 1: He lives and believe or believe.
Speaker 3: Oh so he's down in Central America. Now yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: but I think he. I think he's a well educated person,
Speaker 3: and I think he has the self proclaimed Flattereth University.
Speaker 3: Am I right there?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes he does.
Speaker 3: I may have. He calls it geocentric, cosmology. He does.
Speaker 3: One thing I do think is interesting is he puts
Speaker 3: a lot of time and effort into the firmament. Yes,
Speaker 3: he does, and that's very interesting.
Speaker 1: He even he.
Speaker 4: Even had an app for a while where you could
Speaker 4: like be part of it and like take pictures and
Speaker 4: document so as he was building that model, No kid,
Speaker 4: I loved into it and tried to be a part
Speaker 4: of it, but I wasn't selected.
Speaker 1: But oh, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, that's interesting. Why don't we get a little
Speaker 3: bit into your journey to the truth. You know, you
Speaker 3: had mentioned in your intro that you were conspiracy minded
Speaker 3: at an early age. But what kind of led you
Speaker 3: to believe that, you know, all of this history and
Speaker 3: architecture and the moon landing is presented that is being
Speaker 3: presented to us as fake? When did you start to
Speaker 3: notice that this world we live in is not what
Speaker 3: they say it is.
Speaker 4: I I was pretty quick to the nine to eleven,
Speaker 4: you know, after that had happened, and even though I
Speaker 4: didn't know everything that was going on like I do today,
Speaker 4: I knew it wasn't what we were told. I mean,
Speaker 4: I was watching live on television when that happened, you know, and.
Speaker 1: It's awful. Whatever happened happened, but it's not what we're told.
Speaker 4: And you know from there it was just the moon
Speaker 4: landing for example, that you know, my dad told me
Speaker 4: that never happened, you know, and I've watched several things
Speaker 4: on that, and you know, I'm an agree on so
Speaker 4: you know, just didn't happen. It couldn't get past the
Speaker 4: van ael and radiation man built back then, if that's
Speaker 4: what you believe, you know, that's just metals. I work
Speaker 4: with metal, and it is there's certain temperatures that you know,
Speaker 4: make or break it, and it would have never made
Speaker 4: it past the temperatures that they fed, you know, anything
Speaker 4: we had built at that time. So I know it's
Speaker 4: a no go, one hundred percent no goo on that flatters.
Speaker 4: I started hearing some rumblings, you know, and then it
Speaker 4: came out some basketball star was talking about it, and
Speaker 4: I'm not a basketball fan, so but I heard him mentioning,
Speaker 4: you know, and so I kind of started diving into
Speaker 4: it a little bit. Unfortunately, at that time, I didn't
Speaker 4: really know where to look.
Speaker 1: I wasn't into a.
Speaker 4: Huge podcast at that time, so that's kind of that
Speaker 4: didn't come along until twenty twenty two, when I started
Speaker 4: conspiracy podcasting.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad that you brought up the NBA player.
Speaker 3: His name is Kyrie Irving, and that did get a
Speaker 3: lot of attention. And then that's when they hijacked the
Speaker 3: narrative and pardon me, Shaquille O'Neill jumped in and they
Speaker 3: started making a big joke out of it. But I'm
Speaker 3: going to post this article in the show notes because
Speaker 3: on the NBA's actual website, Kyrie Irving on flat Earth
Speaker 3: comments I'm sorry, so oh again, and it starts out
Speaker 3: saying Kyrie sorry. Kyrie Irving offered a simple message to
Speaker 3: science teachers Monday, I'm sorry, and with that he made
Speaker 3: clear that he regrets publicly saying that the Earth is flat.
Speaker 3: And this wasn't just done at any event. This was
Speaker 3: at the Forbes Under thirty summit in Boston. And again
Speaker 3: they were very quick. And you know, we also talk
Speaker 3: about that how many podcasts like you can find this
Speaker 3: podcast of mind Flat Earth files fairly easy, but you
Speaker 3: can't find the fact hunner as easy. However, if it
Speaker 3: does start to get out there, they are quick to
Speaker 3: rein it in because they understand the repercussions if the
Speaker 3: truth got out about this? What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: When your podcast popped up, which is there's a whole
Speaker 4: backstory to that, it was literally the first flat Earth
Speaker 4: podcast I came across, and you only had one episode,
Speaker 4: and I was like, hmm, well, maybe a there'll be
Speaker 4: more to come.
Speaker 1: I'll just kind of keep an eye on that.
Speaker 4: Well, then I found Crow Triple seven and I just
Speaker 4: wasn't feeling it, and at that time that's the only
Speaker 4: two I found. So but as you're started picking up
Speaker 4: and dropping episodes, I just kept following along and I
Speaker 4: listened to everyone since, including this morning's download with David.
Speaker 1: I believe.
Speaker 3: My wife and I listened to that as we were
Speaker 3: traveling this weekend. I really enjoyed that conversation. He really
Speaker 3: did a good job. What was the backstory to finding
Speaker 3: the Flat Earth Files podcast?
Speaker 1: So, my.
Speaker 4: Father, who I'd mentioned as my conspiratorial best friend, best
Speaker 4: friend in life, got sick and of October twenty nine,
Speaker 4: right twenty nineteen, okay, and super to the point to
Speaker 4: where he was in a coma goods and well, he
Speaker 4: came out of it, but he couldn't speak. He couldn't communicate.
Speaker 4: He was just pretty much a vegetable. It was just
Speaker 4: the oddest thing. They couldn't explain it. And then time
Speaker 4: kept moving on and Christmas came around and he's on
Speaker 4: dialysis because his body just quit working and he's pretty
Speaker 4: much coma toased.
Speaker 1: So during his dialysis.
Speaker 4: He died on Christmas Day of that year, twenty nineteen,
Speaker 4: And despite being dn R do not resuscitate, they started
Speaker 4: working on him and they got him to the hospital
Speaker 4: and they brought him back.
Speaker 1: Wow, and he was himself again.
Speaker 4: He could talk immediately when he woke up, and he
Speaker 4: didn't remember the past three months, you know. And it
Speaker 4: all started with a serious cold that he had at
Speaker 4: that time, which was of all things odd because you
Speaker 4: know that led up to you know, COVID in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so amazing.
Speaker 4: He anyway, he got out of the nursing home from
Speaker 4: rehabilitation the day the lockdowns began, so we lucked out there.
Speaker 4: Well luckily I had him for another two years. I
Speaker 4: had time with for another two years, and then I
Speaker 4: was deer hunting the week before you started your podcast,
Speaker 4: and I got the call out and the deer blind.
Speaker 1: That he was gone. Wow. So it was kind of
Speaker 1: a his tough time, you know, and.
Speaker 4: Being my little conspiratory buddy, I prayed, you know, it's like, Dad, hey,
Speaker 4: give me some of these answers. You know what you're
Speaker 4: up there, you know all now you're with the God,
Speaker 4: you know, tell me something, show me something.
Speaker 1: And that's when your podcast popped up the next day
Speaker 1: in my.
Speaker 4: In my Apple store of or not Apple store, my
Speaker 4: little podcast thing I was using at time to search
Speaker 4: for podcasts.
Speaker 1: It was like, you may be interested in this incredible like,
Speaker 1: I thank you only had one.
Speaker 4: I'm like interesting, So I credited to him. I really do, wow,
Speaker 4: you know, because I don't know what else to say.
Speaker 4: I you know, I said I wanted some answers, and.
Speaker 1: I got one.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. That's uh, that is something. And your dad
Speaker 3: sounds sounds like an amazing man. And I'm sure he's
Speaker 3: extremely proud of you and your continued search for the truth. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I did some research on the on the fall of
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, and I think a lot of people forget,
Speaker 3: you know, everybody talks about Wuhan and some people talk
Speaker 3: about Durham and raleyg where it came from. But I
Speaker 3: think people forget that Fort Dietrich was shut down at
Speaker 3: the very end of July early August of twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: And there's a little town around Fort Dietrich. It's Frederick, Maryland.
Speaker 3: And you can find hundreds of videos and articles online
Speaker 3: talking about how many people got sick during the summer
Speaker 3: and into the fall in that area, and then it
Speaker 3: kind of spread out from there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was another podcaster that had gotten thick and
Speaker 4: was in a severe that I was listening to the
Speaker 4: Expanded Perspectives. Okay, one of the hosts there had gotten
Speaker 4: thick about that same time. Yeah, unexplained, you know, after
Speaker 4: a hunting trip.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my guess had always been for Dietrich, because you know,
Speaker 3: anything that happens in this world, HiT's from us. No
Speaker 3: matter where it is, it seems to be where they
Speaker 3: went in the control. That true for sure. So you
Speaker 3: find the podcast, you start listening. I guess now as
Speaker 3: good as time as any to get into the silver bullets.
Speaker 3: What were the pieces of evidence that led you to
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly believe that, you know, we're not living on a
Speaker 3: spinning ball.
Speaker 1: Well, the first one is the Bible.
Speaker 4: Like I've always been a Christian, I'd read the Bible
Speaker 4: when I was younger. I grew up in a pretty
Speaker 4: strict church. My grandparents actually raised me in a pretty
Speaker 4: strict church. You know, they didn't even have TVs in
Speaker 4: their house and just above them in the night probably,
Speaker 4: And so i'd read my Bible as a young child.
Speaker 1: But then when I was reading about hearing about.
Speaker 4: Bible versus, no way, I've read the Bible, So I
Speaker 4: dug out my King Kings version, and I mean play
Speaker 4: a day firmament.
Speaker 1: You know, wow, kind of hit me, you know right
Speaker 1: there all along?
Speaker 4: How did they explain this away? Oh, expanses, Come on,
Speaker 4: give me a break. That's not what the word translates
Speaker 4: to you. You know, rakiya does not mean expanse or heavens.
Speaker 4: So I had a strong as accordance. I started referencing
Speaker 4: certain verses and certain words, like the word ball. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a word for ball, there's a word for circle,
Speaker 4: and they're used in different verses, you know, to represent
Speaker 4: a ball and one to represent that the circle of
Speaker 4: the earth. Just there's no way around it unless you
Speaker 4: twist the Bible. And not going to do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's something I learned again on Sunday. So
Speaker 3: I always take my King James version to me to
Speaker 3: the local church I currently go to because I know
Speaker 3: the pastor. I've known him for forty years. He's retiring
Speaker 3: in May, so we'll see what goes from there. But
Speaker 3: I'm I've got my King James right. It says in
Speaker 3: the you know, we're going to read from John twenty four,
Speaker 3: verses nine through thirteen, whatever it was, and as the
Speaker 3: person is reading the scripture, it is completely like in
Speaker 3: some cases not even close. The NIV says something about
Speaker 3: a week, and the actual King James says eight days. Well,
Speaker 3: what's the big deal? One week in eight days? It's
Speaker 3: basically the same thing. That is just one minute example
Speaker 3: of all the examples out there of the differences between
Speaker 3: the two, and anytime he translates something it loses meaning.
Speaker 3: And then I've mentioned it five hundred times. There are
Speaker 3: plenty of in the New Testament verses that have been
Speaker 3: completely removed from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John Acts and Romans,
Speaker 3: completely removed from the NIV, the ESV, you know, all
Speaker 3: of those Bibles. So while you know, you know we
Speaker 3: were told when we were younger, well, just you know,
Speaker 3: read this one it's easier to read well when you're
Speaker 3: following along with someone who's reading an NIVY, you're like,
Speaker 3: that's not what it says.
Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I have a men's group that I tend on Saturday mornings,
Speaker 4: and I typically follow along in my King James version,
Speaker 4: just to pick up on some of the differences. Yeah,
Speaker 4: me too, you know, as they read from the SV
Speaker 4: typically Yep, it's just and and the group knows my
Speaker 4: feelings on the shape of the earth, although none of
Speaker 4: them really concur with me, but I'm working on them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you there's one or two that are
Speaker 3: pretty convinced. They just don't want to step out there
Speaker 3: and put themselves out there and be called Yeah, hey guys,
Speaker 3: a flat earther.
Speaker 4: Right, I don't mind taking it.
Speaker 1: It's all right.
Speaker 3: I don't mind either. I actually reached out this morning
Speaker 3: to some billboard people to get some pricing. Interesting, Yeah,
Speaker 3: just to see. The only thing is the one I
Speaker 3: want to do, the one that's affordable and is digital,
Speaker 3: is right across from another church. And I'm afraid I
Speaker 3: don't want to put them in the position to where
Speaker 3: everybody thinks that they put it up there.
Speaker 1: Right, there's.
Speaker 4: A gentleman out of Arkansas that I met up with
Speaker 4: here recently, and he's looking at dude in billboards as well.
Speaker 1: Bona fide truth. I think that's what his name is.
Speaker 3: I've heard of that.
Speaker 1: I met him through Nathan Thompson. You know that.
Speaker 3: Name rings a bell, but I can't. I can't. He's
Speaker 3: pretty out there.
Speaker 4: I think he's the one that mctoone was like calling
Speaker 4: out on the video down and there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Nathan travels around the country and doing me up.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: People getting people together.
Speaker 3: That's awesome and that's what we need, no matter what
Speaker 3: your passion is, if it's nine to eleven, if it's
Speaker 3: flat earth, or if it's just bringing people together to
Speaker 3: share the gospel of Jesus Christ. You know, online it's fantastic,
Speaker 3: but there is a whole different feeling, a sense of
Speaker 3: accomplishment when you can meet in person like that. When
Speaker 3: I did my live shows last April in Oklahoma City
Speaker 3: and Waco, just amazing to meet with like minded people
Speaker 3: and it's everybody gets so, you know, passionate, and because
Speaker 3: for most of us, we can't have that conversation with
Speaker 3: people around our house where our friends or our neighbors,
Speaker 3: they'll never talk to you again.
Speaker 1: Right, So.
Speaker 4: Every intention on going to the Oklahoma one meet up
Speaker 4: with you, and life happens.
Speaker 3: It happens, brother, Fortunately it happens. I wanted to do
Speaker 3: it this year until I realize, well, that's it's Easter weekend.
Speaker 3: That's not going to work out. So yeah, that's okay. Well,
Speaker 3: you know, at this point, I think the next conference,
Speaker 3: I'd like to do something this fall. You know, it
Speaker 3: can be a general truth conference, but I'd like to
Speaker 3: focus to be flat Earth. Because the older I get,
Speaker 3: the more I've been doing this, the more I realize
Speaker 3: exactly how important this is.
Speaker 4: I seen Rob Skiva's son is holding some kind of
Speaker 4: truth conference in Dallas.
Speaker 1: And end of October.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, he's got some kind of booth getting set
Speaker 4: up and he's going over the fine details.
Speaker 1: Now I think something.
Speaker 3: I will be completely anxious with. Honest with you, I
Speaker 3: had no idea. That is his name, Jeremiah Sciba.
Speaker 1: I believe that's it there.
Speaker 3: It is host of Sciba News Nation, the son of
Speaker 3: Rob Sciba. I have never Now that I see his face,
Speaker 3: I know who he is. That's right, I know who
Speaker 3: he is. I'm going to reach out to him. Thanks
Speaker 3: for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's.
Speaker 3: Good to know. What else is? Oh, I got a
Speaker 3: couple of your silver bullets. Let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: Have you ever taken the time to test something out yourself,
Speaker 3: whether it's curvature or the moon temperature, things of that nature.
Speaker 1: No, not necessarily, like other than.
Speaker 4: Using binoculars and a phone and zooming in, like when
Speaker 4: I'm out on the lake and just seeing a bridge
Speaker 4: that I know, like it's way too far out there.
Speaker 4: I mean, other than that, I haven't got into all
Speaker 4: that because, like I said.
Speaker 1: I've got my Bible, you know. Yeah, it's the word.
Speaker 3: It is it. You know, he is the Way, is
Speaker 3: the truth, and he is the life. Right and with that.
Speaker 4: I do keep my eyes upward. And sunspots would be
Speaker 4: another one that, you know, seeing the sun of there
Speaker 4: and just like why is it so bright? And just
Speaker 4: that one area above you you know, and the clouds,
Speaker 4: you know, and if it was so far away, why
Speaker 4: is it localized?
Speaker 1: That's always one that's got me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, whether it's the cloud rays, the crepuscular rays, or
Speaker 3: like you mentioned, as.
Speaker 1: A kid, how many times did we draw a picture?
Speaker 1: Of a son with rays.
Speaker 3: Coming off coming out that like seriously, but you know what, Matt,
Speaker 3: I've mentioned this before. I think many of us during
Speaker 3: science class, at some point in our life we had
Speaker 3: questioned the silliness of water sticking to a ball, and
Speaker 3: even those of us who were courageous enough to ask
Speaker 3: our science teacher whatever he retorted with, we just believed
Speaker 3: it because he's the guy who went to college for
Speaker 3: four years. He must have the answers, right. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: And then you get older and you realize, wow, college teachers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but not just that, it's it's also that's the way
Speaker 3: the education system set up. You're told this is how
Speaker 3: it works, and you memorize it, and that's just that's it, right.
Speaker 3: I think most science teachers don't necessarily have any ill will.
Speaker 3: It's just that's what they're taught and that's what they believe, right.
Speaker 4: I I got lucky enough that I got in a
Speaker 4: trade when I was younger, and I have no college
Speaker 4: degree whatsoever. But I got called upon by a college
Speaker 4: to teach because of my knowledge of the trade, and
Speaker 4: they're a trade college, and that's what it is. I
Speaker 4: went in there, I told them something. They regurgitated it
Speaker 4: and there they go. You know, that's just what school is,
Speaker 4: that's urgitation everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep. But having a skill like that, that's awesome
Speaker 3: because I too in high school, I went to a
Speaker 3: trade school, and I had something I could always fall
Speaker 3: back on. Right, I could always laybrick, I could always
Speaker 3: pour concrete, I could do carpentry. All those things I
Speaker 3: learned both during my time in high school and construction,
Speaker 3: and then even in the military. I was a combat
Speaker 3: heavy engineer and we did a lot of construction there
Speaker 3: as well. It's great to have a trade to number one,
Speaker 3: to be able to do things around your house yourself.
Speaker 3: And number two, it's always great to have something to
Speaker 3: fall back on because you know, in this day and age,
Speaker 3: you're either going to be a coder working for Amazon,
Speaker 3: where you're going to be doing some type of trade.
Speaker 1: I have my thedl I did some over the road driving.
Speaker 1: That's my fallback.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 1: When I get replaced by computers and machines that do
Speaker 1: my job.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're only a few years away from
Speaker 3: a lot of us being replaced. And I always say
Speaker 3: we seem to champion our own demise, whether we're paying
Speaker 3: for Netflix, or you know, going to the movies to
Speaker 3: have our mind brainwash, or championing AI and three D printers,
Speaker 3: and you know, all of these things are double edged sword.
Speaker 3: In many cases, they make our life easier. Or I
Speaker 3: can have a conversation. I'm in Delaware, you're in Missouri,
Speaker 3: and we're having this conversation, but at the same time
Speaker 3: we know what's coming down the road, right.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yep, you championed our demise. Like you said,
Speaker 4: I've been begging for a new machine in Miles shop,
Speaker 4: which is going to take away part of my job,
Speaker 4: but at the same time it's going to help me.
Speaker 1: So it's like you said, champion our demise.
Speaker 3: You know you had mentioned in your email that you
Speaker 3: learned of young creation theory in twenty fifteen. Did you
Speaker 3: learn that from the folks down in Kentucky, Kenhaan, Oh, yes.
Speaker 4: I worked with a gentleman and he had loaned me
Speaker 4: a set of DVDs and that was kind of my
Speaker 4: first I guess it wasn't you know, obviously not flattered
Speaker 4: because that's not what he believes. But he was onto
Speaker 4: the water canopy, and which is he explains as the firmament.
Speaker 4: I guess, so I had heard about young creation. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't think the Earth is old as we think
Speaker 4: it is, so there's too many carbon dating that's wrong.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I just seen an article the other day about finding
Speaker 4: some pair of tennis shoes that dated back nine hundred
Speaker 4: years ago, you know, or it's like they were nikes.
Speaker 1: You know, how the hell is that unless there's time travel.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, the one thing that got me and
Speaker 3: obviously the listeners are gonna be able to see this.
Speaker 3: I really recommend everybody to get this book. It's Martin
Speaker 3: Luther Genesis Commentary, chapters one through four. And in Genesis
Speaker 3: he commented, you know, he does commentary on the four chapters,
Speaker 3: but one of the first things that he mentions is
Speaker 3: very eye opening. And remember this was his writings were
Speaker 3: from the early sixteenth century, so anywhere you know, from
Speaker 3: the Reformation until I think he passed fifteen forty ish.
Speaker 3: From Moses. However, we know that six thousand years ago
Speaker 3: the world did not exist. Martin Luther was around five
Speaker 3: hundred years ago, so sixty five hundred years and that's
Speaker 3: something that we talk about. And then I pick up
Speaker 3: this book and from Martin Luther's writing. He's telling you, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the Earth is about sixty five hundred years old.
Speaker 1: Interesting. You have to put that in your show notes
Speaker 1: for that book.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I certainly will. It's an eye opener. I've got
Speaker 3: that thing highlighted all over the place because it's amazing.
Speaker 3: And again, you know, for me, someone who is a Protestant,
Speaker 3: you know, he is the founder of Protestantism. And you know,
Speaker 3: I could do five hours on how lost most denominations are,
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to go there. But I will
Speaker 3: leave this. I really encourage to get Martin Luther. There's
Speaker 3: Genesis commentary. It's it's amazing, and it also, I mean,
Speaker 3: how many books like this end up being a flatter
Speaker 3: Earth commentary. I didn't expect to go into this book, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, being or a young Earth, I should say
Speaker 3: in this case, But he also did. Yeah, I purchased
Speaker 3: this year ago. But he also did during that meal
Speaker 3: call Copernicus a heretic.
Speaker 1: Right, yep.
Speaker 4: It's it's funny you bring up books. I'm a pretty
Speaker 4: avid reader. I've read a lot of books over the years.
Speaker 4: Back in the day when all the left ghinds were huge,
Speaker 4: I was into those just just anything I could read.
Speaker 4: I enjoy fantasy, some fantasy. I've read that, all the
Speaker 4: Hobbits and the gosh just everything. But the latest one
Speaker 4: I'm reading is called The Epic of Ethow and it's
Speaker 4: The Birthright and the Seed War by Justin Doc Brown.
Speaker 4: And it it proposes that Ethol is the Bigfoot, he
Speaker 4: was born from the Seed War, you know, because it
Speaker 4: talks about him coming out covered in hair, red hair.
Speaker 4: And it's an interesting book, needless to say. Take it
Speaker 4: for what it's worth. It's a book, but he's got
Speaker 4: some pretty interesting stuff in there.
Speaker 3: Justin Doc Brown, the Epic of the Birthright and Seed War.
Speaker 4: He's he's got his own podcast that I just started
Speaker 4: reading since I found his book.
Speaker 1: Prometheus Limbs, I believe that's what it's called.
Speaker 3: That's right. He came out red, covered in hair from
Speaker 3: head to toe like a hairy cloak.
Speaker 4: And there's so much more than just that verse in
Speaker 4: there that he gets to But I'm not going to
Speaker 4: spoil his book.
Speaker 1: He did a great job.
Speaker 4: It's made me think about the Bible even more in
Speaker 4: different ways than I had in the past, without changing
Speaker 4: what the Bible says, you know, he just points to things,
Speaker 4: and it's like, hmm, and I've thought about it like that.
Speaker 3: You know, my wife gets mad every time I do
Speaker 3: an interview. I buy a book because somebody mentions the book,
Speaker 3: so I have it in the cart because I can't
Speaker 3: not read it now. But it's cool. It says the
Speaker 3: tail reveals Esau's connections to the nepheline and his genealogies
Speaker 3: role in the end time, it looks like an interesting read.
Speaker 3: Another twenty bucks spent, But listen, if you can support
Speaker 3: fellow truthers, and most people will pay bucks for a
Speaker 3: you know, a lot, say mocha from from Starbucks, you
Speaker 3: can certainly spend twenty bucks on something physical so I
Speaker 3: can have when Amazon eventually pulls all the books that
Speaker 3: go against the nWo narrative, right right, Oh, I take
Speaker 3: down all the podcasts. Yeah, it is a continuous rabbit hole,
Speaker 3: you know. I think out of all the rabbit holes
Speaker 3: I've spent between Flat Earth nine to eleven Oklahoma City,
Speaker 3: I'd say that that's the three big ones that I
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time in, although recently I've also
Speaker 3: gone back in Have you ever researched twa flight eight hundred?
Speaker 3: I have none, So it's interesting how we and me included.
Speaker 3: That was my seventh podcast I ever did. It was
Speaker 3: five years ago. I was like, I haven't done it
Speaker 3: in five years, so I went back and revisited. It
Speaker 3: was about three and a half months before the nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety six election, and it was July seventeenth and nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety six TWA flight eight hundred took off from JFK
Speaker 3: Airport and after I I think it was twelve minutes
Speaker 3: of flight, hundreds of witnesses saw a missile go up
Speaker 3: and take out this plane which had over two hundred
Speaker 3: passengers all dead, and all the reports early was terrorists.
Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden, you know, it just turned
Speaker 3: into similar to what the challenger was. It was a
Speaker 3: leak and then there was a spark and it just
Speaker 3: blew up. It was just an accident. But the truth
Speaker 3: was they were testing a new military system that was
Speaker 3: I think created by Raytheon and I don't remember the
Speaker 3: name of the system off the top of my head,
Speaker 3: but the original testing was done in New Jersey, so
Speaker 3: it all makes sense. It's just sad to see the
Speaker 3: cover up and the family members who just get a
Speaker 3: shoot and how the big takeaway from me from TWA
Speaker 3: flight eight hundred was how the government controls the talking
Speaker 3: heads in this world and they can just make something
Speaker 3: go away like that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, the Operation Walkingbird, that the control of
Speaker 4: the media, yes, sir. Oh, my family gave me a
Speaker 4: heck about that for the longest time. But here lately,
Speaker 4: with all the repetitive heads just fan the same thing
Speaker 4: over and over, and I show him video after video,
Speaker 4: I think they're they're finally starting to catch on.
Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sorry, go ahead, Oh, but there.
Speaker 4: Is something going on other than what everybody's saying.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I'm sure you saw that little documentary during
Speaker 3: COVID that guy used to be a stuntman in California
Speaker 3: and then he made it this truth or movie. But
Speaker 3: the one part I always took away was how they
Speaker 3: took clips from every local news from around the country
Speaker 3: and they were saying the exact same thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 3: And that's that's the proof in the pudding right there.
Speaker 3: And they can literally, I guess, between the money and information,
Speaker 3: those are the two things that they can control. They
Speaker 3: can basically do whatever they want.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, money, our money they take for things like
Speaker 4: Natha which is totally scam and it's just to turn
Speaker 4: into a big flush fund, you know, to control for
Speaker 4: all their little black ops.
Speaker 3: Of what I believe that's a big part of it.
Speaker 3: How do we get people to care about this? Like
Speaker 3: you and I we understand the repercussions, the spiritual things,
Speaker 3: how they're hiding God, but also, like you just mentioned,
Speaker 3: the things where our tax dollars are going to to
Speaker 3: actually work against God. And again, the people who work
Speaker 3: for NASA, ninety eight percent of them have no clue
Speaker 3: what's going on because of compartmentalization. How do you get
Speaker 3: people passionate about the truth and off the I'm not
Speaker 3: saying we can't have hobbies, but how do we get
Speaker 3: people to reorganize their priorities and understand the realm we're
Speaker 3: actually living in.
Speaker 4: That is a great question and one we need to
Speaker 4: full because I still can't even get my own family
Speaker 4: on board with the flatness. You know, they go along
Speaker 4: with me. It costs quite the stir at first. I
Speaker 4: mean to the point of the word divorce thrown out,
Speaker 4: you know, like if you become a flat eartherer, I'm
Speaker 4: going to divorce you. And I'm like, well, you better
Speaker 4: write papers up. Unfortunately there's I'm there. But we've worked
Speaker 4: through that even so much that she's joined me at
Speaker 4: the last meet up, So she's opening up to it.
Speaker 4: She's starting to see what I show her and starting
Speaker 4: to take some of in. She's but like you're we
Speaker 4: were saying, why does it matter? That's what I get.
Speaker 4: Why does it matter? And for that answer is I
Speaker 4: mean the high dogged. I mean, that's I think that's
Speaker 4: the biggest, the biggest whyett matters? And people start goddly
Speaker 4: in many moore like we used to be. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's kind of fallen through the wayside. Unfortunately. As sad
Speaker 4: as that may.
Speaker 3: Be, it's sad but true. And someone had made an inadverted,
Speaker 3: inadvertent comment to me, the gentleman who runs the radio
Speaker 3: station where I do my weekly show. We were having
Speaker 3: a conversation on Friday afternoon and I showed him the
Speaker 3: article that I'm sure you probably saw that in the
Speaker 3: UK they signed off on running these tests where they are,
Speaker 3: they're coming out saying we are going to be doing
Speaker 3: these tests and we're going to be spraying the sky
Speaker 3: and it was all in the name of you know,
Speaker 3: climate change and all of this other nonsense. But he
Speaker 3: made an excellent comment and I don't think he realized
Speaker 3: it because he's I think he's now at the point
Speaker 3: now where he questions it. But he's not a full
Speaker 3: out flat earther. He said simply, he just said anything
Speaker 3: to disconnect us from God.
Speaker 1: But with that, the stuff that they named like acronym
Speaker 1: to Satan.
Speaker 3: It may have been.
Speaker 4: It was like I've seen an article about and like
Speaker 4: the acronym was S A T A N. And I
Speaker 4: was like, are you kidding me? I mean, we already
Speaker 4: got to beat A A L for the barium and aluminum.
Speaker 4: They've been spraying the ball, but just flat out saying
Speaker 4: as it is now, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So uh wow. Yeah, stratospheric aerosol transport and nucleation. And
Speaker 3: again this is focusing on the ongoing commercialization attempts to
Speaker 3: make sunsets in the form of cooling credits, and a
Speaker 3: lot of this has to do you know, England is
Speaker 3: leading the charge on this. These are British researchers who
Speaker 3: were running with this. And by the way, this is
Speaker 3: straight out. This isn't like Jim's conspiracy page. This is
Speaker 3: the National Library of Medicine and biotechnology. This is the
Speaker 3: NIH this is a dot gov website. I'm reading this from,
Speaker 3: and I'll put that in the show notes as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in your faith.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the other thing that frustrates me, Matt, is
Speaker 3: they're not hiding this anymore. And to me, the more
Speaker 3: I think about it, I think nine to eleven was
Speaker 3: a ritual and it was their way of saying, they're
Speaker 3: not hiding their evil anymore, Come and get us. I
Speaker 3: truly feel that's what that was. Because now it's easy
Speaker 3: to say the world has never been the same since
Speaker 3: nine to eleven, because well, duh, the world has never
Speaker 3: been the same since nine to eleven. However, I don't
Speaker 3: mean it just in the fact that we lost three
Speaker 3: thousand people and the World Trade Centers are no longer
Speaker 3: in New York City. It felt like a mass satanic
Speaker 3: ritual that ushered in a new age. Now. Some people
Speaker 3: like to argue that, you know, that's the thing if
Speaker 3: people say, if that's the end of the millennial rain,
Speaker 3: We're supposed to have peace for a thousand years, and
Speaker 3: we had world wars, so you know, whatever it was,
Speaker 3: it felt like an evil ritual to me that just
Speaker 3: led them into this whole past mockery, just into them
Speaker 3: being in our face saying I'm here, I'm Satan, and
Speaker 3: I'm here, and you're not going to stop my plan.
Speaker 3: And now in the end we know how this all
Speaker 3: works out, right, Yeah, but I feel like right now
Speaker 3: maybe Satan is pushing for for Jesus to come back
Speaker 3: with all of the things that are going on right
Speaker 3: I mean, if you think over the last twenty five years,
Speaker 3: with nine to eleven, the destruction of the monetary system,
Speaker 3: with with COVID twenty twenty, with Afghanistan, with Iraq forced inoculations,
Speaker 3: I mean, brother, we've had an awful lot of evil
Speaker 3: in the last twenty five years. And I was talking
Speaker 3: to I interviewed a guy who was thirty five years old,
Speaker 3: and I just thought to myself, you know, all of
Speaker 3: this has happened since you were ten years old. This
Speaker 3: is normal for you. And at least in my reflection,
Speaker 3: I had the seventies and eighties, and yeah there were things,
Speaker 3: but nothing like we see today.
Speaker 4: No, not at all. I mean, I'm I'm right there
Speaker 4: at the fifty so I you know, I I was
Speaker 4: old enough to understand when that happened. You know, what
Speaker 4: was going on, you know, and it's just wow, Yeah, no,
Speaker 4: it's I guess that's a hell. I hate to think
Speaker 4: of it like that, but it is. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: I know you had some struggles internally with like your family,
Speaker 3: and what a blessing that your wife has come around.
Speaker 3: But that also speaks to, you know, how potent and
Speaker 3: how much time and effort that they put into when
Speaker 3: you get a reaction like that from somebody. Because if
Speaker 3: you went up to your wife and you said there
Speaker 3: is no way we went to the moon, and she'd
Speaker 3: probably say, yeah, maybe you're probably right and go about
Speaker 3: her day, Versus I think the world is flat to
Speaker 3: what you just explained. I don't think people understand the psychological, psycholomical,
Speaker 3: psychological ramifications of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't just come flat out and like, hey, well
Speaker 4: I'm flat earth her sure, you know, she knows that
Speaker 4: I'm in realm of conspiracy. And you know, the first
Speaker 4: little bit I introduced her to was the moon landing
Speaker 4: and we watched I don't remember which one it was.
Speaker 4: It might have been with the the guy with the
Speaker 4: CIA that tried to knock him off after he was
Speaker 4: interviewing one of the astronauts. He had a documentary out
Speaker 4: and I can't remember what it's called now, but we
Speaker 4: watched that and she's like, I don't know, I could
Speaker 4: see somebody's point, but just like unfortunately, some of us
Speaker 4: just buy more into, you know, the news of the government,
Speaker 4: and I say, buy him of the news.
Speaker 1: She doesn't even watch news. You know.
Speaker 4: What news she gets is from me, you know. And
Speaker 4: even I don't watch a whole lot of news. I
Speaker 4: got my little few things, but I don't watch anything mainstream,
Speaker 4: getting nothing get off of there.
Speaker 3: So no, I think it's okay. I think we do
Speaker 3: have to cognizant of what's going on. But isn't it
Speaker 3: funny if you go back to, you know, March of
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, every single night at five pm Eastern time,
Speaker 3: I would venture to say that ninety percent of the
Speaker 3: people in this country were tuned into the news and
Speaker 3: they were getting their mk ultra, their daily dose of
Speaker 3: mk ultra.
Speaker 1: On the day of nine to eleven, I have I
Speaker 1: had three TVs. I had one TV on CNN, one
Speaker 1: TV on Fox, and.
Speaker 4: Then I had a TV I was playing video games
Speaker 4: on when nine to eleven went down.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know, because I was a news junkie.
Speaker 4: That's all I wanted to I loved the news back then,
Speaker 4: you know, and I wanted to hear both sides at
Speaker 4: all times, you know. That's why I had CNN on
Speaker 4: one and Fox on another. But uh, like I said,
Speaker 4: and then when it did happen, I was already tuned
Speaker 4: in live you know, that morning And at that point
Speaker 4: in my life, I was a manager for a gas station.
Speaker 4: So soon as that went down, I got the call
Speaker 4: to go on into because it was going to be
Speaker 4: a busy day, they told me.
Speaker 1: And they were right.
Speaker 4: I'd never seen a craze like that before in my life.
Speaker 4: I remember hearing about it when I was younger. Was
Speaker 4: it late seventies where they had the gas craze?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was actually like seventy three, was that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there was a short parent must have spoke about it,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, it was just miles and miles of traffic everywhere
Speaker 4: trying to get gas, you know, people with barrels in
Speaker 4: the back of their vehicles, pumping.
Speaker 1: At full yep.
Speaker 3: We thought we were under attack.
Speaker 1: It was, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the first thing people do here in
Speaker 3: the mid Atlantic region. If we're told if the weather
Speaker 3: Man says, we're getting two inches of snow tomorrow tonight
Speaker 3: by six pm. And you can ask anybody who lives
Speaker 3: in Delaware. There'll be no bread, no milk. It's like
Speaker 3: we're getting two inches of snow. There's no meteorite coming.
Speaker 3: And it's funny how people have been programmed to anytime
Speaker 3: there's some kind of diversity, not diversity, that's not the
Speaker 3: right word to use. You know, anytime that there's adversity,
Speaker 3: thank you, adversity in their life, that they just have
Speaker 3: to stop everything and go into panic mode. And that's
Speaker 3: kind of where we after COVID were like, we need
Speaker 3: to be We're not preppers, right, we don't have fox
Speaker 3: holes in the backyard, but we stay ready so when
Speaker 3: things do happen like nine to eleven or you know,
Speaker 3: gas issues or financial crisis, that we're already kind of
Speaker 3: still operating. We're still cognizant and a little worried about things.
Speaker 3: By the way, I don't know about your neck of
Speaker 3: the woods, but they're on social media. We're seeing all
Speaker 3: types of photos of empty shelves. So I guess the
Speaker 3: issues with the tariffs are already hitting and once people
Speaker 3: go into panic mode, then panic buying starts and then
Speaker 3: supplying demand, and you saw something in twenty twenty you stalled.
Speaker 3: Do you remember how empty some of those shelves were
Speaker 3: back then?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, the toilet paper crazy that.
Speaker 3: Never I knew there was something else, the toilet paper
Speaker 3: out of all.
Speaker 1: Now I'm good.
Speaker 3: What's that?
Speaker 1: I got a bidet.
Speaker 3: Now, fancy you must be a plumber. No, no, a
Speaker 3: bid day. I was introduced to them in Saudi Arabia
Speaker 3: about thirty years ago. I was like, why is there
Speaker 3: a water fountain in the toilet?
Speaker 1: I read that the house that had one, and I
Speaker 1: was like, what in the world. Fifth thing?
Speaker 4: Well, they were from South America, the people that owned
Speaker 4: the house, and they had one installed. Well after this
Speaker 4: last toilet paper crazing, you know, I'm like, maybe it's
Speaker 4: not such a crazy idea.
Speaker 1: You be nice to have.
Speaker 3: Handy, I will tell you. As humans were good about
Speaker 3: adapting and overcoming right.
Speaker 4: Yeap, and being on a septic k I can if
Speaker 4: I can help my septic out a little bit, why not?
Speaker 3: That's right? All septic I think we do we do
Speaker 3: ours about every two years.
Speaker 1: I think I just just had my done in the winter.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, as it was starting to come up all through
Speaker 4: the house.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's time.
Speaker 4: We just bought this last spring and oh the guy
Speaker 4: said it was going to be good for another year
Speaker 4: or two for the inspection and he was wrong.
Speaker 1: He was wrong.
Speaker 3: Somebody didn't do their job.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I found out the hard way and got the
Speaker 4: emergency call and uh charge and of course, but I
Speaker 4: went and trade this place. It's kind of our it's
Speaker 4: just an acre. But I've started chickens. I've got chickens
Speaker 4: out there. I got twenty five of chickens now and nice.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: Last year we had a little small garden. This year,
Speaker 4: I'm afraid I'm missed out on that. Had some things
Speaker 4: come up and as they always do, and I had
Speaker 4: to dedicate some time elsewhere, which is taken from the gardening.
Speaker 4: I might get a little something in here sooner than later,
Speaker 4: but it's not.
Speaker 1: Going to be the spread like we had last year. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Life happens.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was just like I have a lot
Speaker 4: of tree work work I've been working on. But you know,
Speaker 4: I'm only working on that because I broke my leg
Speaker 4: last fall trying to do the other tree.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Wow, So it's one of those things where you just
Speaker 4: always something happening, you.
Speaker 3: Know, absolutely, there's always something to do there as well.
Speaker 3: You had mentioned earlier I think you were talking about
Speaker 3: Bart Sebrel when you're watching that documentary. Was it a
Speaker 3: funny thing happened on the way to the Moon. Yes,
Speaker 3: I will put that in the show notes too. It's
Speaker 3: been a while since I've included this. By the way.
Speaker 3: His website is Sebrel dot com and there's a lot
Speaker 3: of things on there, and it's funny. Once again, here's
Speaker 3: a guy who was completely all over the target with
Speaker 3: the moon landing being fake, the astronauts being frauds. But
Speaker 3: and again he believes something called planet X or something
Speaker 3: like that. Not only is he not a flat earth
Speaker 3: or he thinks there's this planet X out there and
Speaker 3: I don't want to I don't remember what it is,
Speaker 3: so I don't. I'm not trying to make fun of
Speaker 3: him or anything.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, I get that.
Speaker 3: It's interesting. The connection's not there.
Speaker 1: He's so close. Yes, come on, buddy, you're just right there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like you're you're watching your your ten year
Speaker 3: old do their homework and they almost you're just like,
Speaker 3: just you almost got it. You almost got it and
Speaker 3: then uh planet X Oh jeez.
Speaker 4: Well that's like for example or not. I'm not making
Speaker 4: front of the guy. He does a great job for him, absolutely,
Speaker 4: absolutely community, But Dave flatter Dave, he's not.
Speaker 1: What is he not? Believe Jesus? Is that what it is?
Speaker 3: To be fair? He's come around, He's gone, I would.
Speaker 3: I think it's fair to say he's gone from being
Speaker 3: a complete atheist to realizing there's a creator. But as
Speaker 3: far as I know, I haven't talked to him in
Speaker 3: a while. But that's where it stops for him. I
Speaker 3: pray that eventually he does come around to Christ.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh absolutely, I said, he does great things.
Speaker 3: For this amazing and he's a nice human being. I've
Speaker 3: talked to him many times offline and in person for
Speaker 3: as far as I know, and I can tell and
Speaker 3: people can say whatever about him, he's a genuine nice person.
Speaker 3: I have no problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I use app.
Speaker 4: I've used it to locate friends and you know, and
Speaker 4: and it's great and I'm glad what he does for
Speaker 4: the community.
Speaker 1: He really puts himself out there. He's not afraid of that.
Speaker 4: But like, yeah, if we're on this realm, that we
Speaker 4: say we are that the Bible says we are.
Speaker 1: There's only one answer to that, and you're right, it's
Speaker 1: a creator, yeap, you know.
Speaker 3: And that'll be my next avenue of approach once you
Speaker 3: again you said there's no way that's true. I've read
Speaker 3: the Bible all my life. And then you start to
Speaker 3: understand how did it change the way that you read
Speaker 3: the Bible?
Speaker 1: Oh, just the whole.
Speaker 4: Coming to things and looking at them like, okay, so
Speaker 4: it says this, but what does it really fail it?
Speaker 4: It's like they don't dive deep into this. But so
Speaker 4: then you go into looking into wording that that was used,
Speaker 4: and it's just like you can't just read it anymore,
Speaker 4: you know. I like, before I just read, I read
Speaker 4: to say I'm reading the Bible. I've read through the Bible.
Speaker 4: Now it's more of a studying the Bible. It's not
Speaker 4: reading anymore, you know. So it's little things like, for example,
Speaker 4: the whole garment issue.
Speaker 1: So, uh, I'll go back to the Seaboard book I
Speaker 1: was mentioning earlier.
Speaker 4: He talks about the garments of Adam and Eve and
Speaker 4: and how potentially they're mentioned later on in the Bible,
Speaker 4: and he and he kind of draws the link that
Speaker 4: links them all together, and it's just amazing hearing this stuff,
Speaker 4: but then going back and reading that in your Bible,
Speaker 4: and he even brings it up to the point where.
Speaker 1: They're mentioned in the movie Noah.
Speaker 4: I don't remember if you remember the the was it
Speaker 4: Russell Crow Noah?
Speaker 1: He had mentioned like a garment in the movie, a
Speaker 1: shining garment, And it was like, at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the I had to go back and watch the movie
Speaker 1: again and it was like, at the very beginning, he's
Speaker 1: wrapping his arm with like a some kind of garment,
Speaker 1: shining garment, and it's like, is that the To me?
Speaker 4: It looked like skape snake skin? So is that the
Speaker 4: snake that's mentioned in the Garden of you know what
Speaker 4: I mean?
Speaker 1: Of Eden?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that in Genesis was it three? You know,
Speaker 3: where they are wearing skin. I always just associated that
Speaker 3: with it was their shame of sin, and you know,
Speaker 3: basically an animal had to be sacrificed for them to
Speaker 3: wear this. But I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 3: That's interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, so, oh.
Speaker 4: My gosh, ergo, I'm gonna draw another conclusion from the
Speaker 4: book here. So he goes on to mention, you know,
Speaker 4: the story of Ethol in this book, he mentions the
Speaker 4: whole giving his birth right away for just a bowl
Speaker 4: of soup. But if you look back into the Book
Speaker 4: of Gesture, which is not Cannon, and how much truth
Speaker 4: is there in it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But it gives the whole backstory, you know, of why
Speaker 4: he was able to why he treated it for that
Speaker 4: bowl of soup, and and it just makes the It
Speaker 4: gives so much more context to the whole, the whole
Speaker 4: why he did it, and you know, and but it
Speaker 4: mentions the garments once again. You know in the Book
Speaker 4: of Jesture that he had taken the garments from Nimrod,
Speaker 4: who Nimrod was the son of was it Cush Cush
Speaker 4: you know, which all dates back to like Noah, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So it's just crazy seeing these little bitty connections that
Speaker 4: you miss when you read them because it is Yes,
Speaker 4: it's a collection of sixty six books. Some of the
Speaker 4: order is just here and there and for somebody else
Speaker 4: to kind of link something here to another story there,
Speaker 4: it helps complete a full you know, helps you to
Speaker 4: understand something more. And where I'm not great at that,
Speaker 4: I may be great at looking at other things and
Speaker 4: assembling things and disassembling things in my head and fixing
Speaker 4: things that way. But when it comes to like stuff
Speaker 4: like that, man, I'm glad other people are out there
Speaker 4: doing that and able to relay it to me so
Speaker 4: that I can understand that better.
Speaker 3: Amen. And you know it is something I always think about. Right.
Speaker 3: You go from the Reformation to the Geneva Bible, and
Speaker 3: then in forty years King James has, you know, taking
Speaker 3: out fourteen books of the Bible, and in retrospect, it's like, well, geez,
Speaker 3: and I'm just spitballing here. I'm just being honest. You know,
Speaker 3: if these books were in the Bible, I think I
Speaker 3: would have connected many of these dots before. And when
Speaker 3: you read the Book of Enoch et cetera, you do
Speaker 3: understand like a Genesis six, there's a verse about the Nephilum.
Speaker 3: But you know, when you read Enoch, there's the whole.
Speaker 3: Many of these books have the backstory, and Enoch was
Speaker 3: a very important figure. He was one of just a
Speaker 3: couple of people who didn't die physically and went into heaven.
Speaker 3: And the Book of Joshu. Yeah, to me, it's just
Speaker 3: and I know there's a lot of people who say,
Speaker 3: you know, God protects it. But I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: put anything past man. I think if he tried to
Speaker 3: completely outright just get rid of the Bible, he'd been overthrown.
Speaker 3: But you know, if him and his buddy partner in crime,
Speaker 3: Francis Bacon, say listen, if we're going to push this
Speaker 3: Copernicus narrative, we can't have these books in the Bible.
Speaker 3: You can't have Enoch, you can't have Jasher two easy
Speaker 3: to connect the dots. And again this is I'm just
Speaker 3: being honest here. This is this is the things that
Speaker 3: I think about. I never met, uh, you know, King
Speaker 3: James from you know, it was five hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: I don't know what his true intentions were, and you know,
Speaker 3: just from I can only go by what I know today.
Speaker 3: And I know most people in power, whether you're a
Speaker 3: king or a president, you're a corrupt Maybe maybe just
Speaker 3: maybe five hundred years ago there was noble leaders. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I look around the world today. Can you
Speaker 3: find me one?
Speaker 1: Definitely not?
Speaker 3: I mean, am I out of bound here? Or am
Speaker 3: I making a decent argument?
Speaker 1: Oh? You you don't have to convinced me.
Speaker 4: I mean I look at her our own leader, and
Speaker 4: it's like, did I vote this time?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did? And did I want to?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 4: Are they going to make a difference? Probably not, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think so. It's one of those
Speaker 4: tough bills to swallow. When I wrote my vote, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm like, I don't want the man, I don't want
Speaker 4: this woman. Yeah, And even though I don't know that
Speaker 4: it made a difference or will make a difference, my
Speaker 4: vote doesn't count, does count? You know? It's just I'm
Speaker 4: not bought on the elections anymore. You know, the grame stage.
Speaker 3: And even if you try to make a statement and
Speaker 3: go write somebody in only you are really going to
Speaker 3: know that, right, It's it'll never be known. And it's
Speaker 3: a shame that we can't get past all the division
Speaker 3: that they create amongst us, because I think we could
Speaker 3: truly do great things in this world if we could
Speaker 3: get past that, you know, zero point zero five percent
Speaker 3: of people who truly control things and make our lives miserable.
Speaker 3: And hey, this happens, so all of you are going
Speaker 3: to go over to this country and fight to the death,
Speaker 3: and five years later we'll create a new diversion and
Speaker 3: say that this country needs to go. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's when you when you think about these things, it's
Speaker 3: very frustrating that people still bind in the narrative and
Speaker 3: are quick to send loved ones off. And again, I
Speaker 3: was part of that. I'm not being a hypocrite here whatsoever,
Speaker 3: but I'm just saying we need at some point to
Speaker 3: break the matrix if we're going to make a change.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got family, that's that's part of that as well.
Speaker 4: And it was part of it until he retired here
Speaker 4: last year. And you know, I got my nephew who's
Speaker 4: deployed currently, you know, and it's just pray for him
Speaker 4: every day, just hope, you know, bring them home safe.
Speaker 4: And yeah, even though they're not in any real danger,
Speaker 4: it's just why, you know, it's tough. It's stop being
Speaker 4: awake and seeing your family like that.
Speaker 3: Yep. And uh, you know, I guess to a certain extent,
Speaker 3: I'm you know, this is probably gonna come off awkward,
Speaker 3: but could you imagine being awake during your time in
Speaker 3: the military. And I also think about by the way,
Speaker 3: we pray for those deployed all the time, and I
Speaker 3: know people they are away from their loved ones, their family,
Speaker 3: and it's a noble profefs.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: They do it under the guise of protecting the people
Speaker 3: of this country. Unfortunately, they don't make their own decisions
Speaker 3: when it comes to what they are going to do.
Speaker 3: And that's really the bottom line. But the aspect of
Speaker 3: giving up you are, let's make something perfectly clear from
Speaker 3: someone who spent twenty four years in the military. You
Speaker 3: give up your freedoms when you join the military. It's
Speaker 3: a noble cause. And I pray for everyone who is
Speaker 3: in the military. The problem, like everything else, it's the
Speaker 3: very top, the corrupt people who and they use them
Speaker 3: like chess pieces.
Speaker 4: I was a you know, choices in the military. I mean,
Speaker 4: I see my brother in law got got gabby Gabby
Speaker 4: if I can say that word, yeah, And I hate
Speaker 4: it for him because you know, I've seen what it
Speaker 4: did to him for a while and he's you know,
Speaker 4: and I was. I was just fortunate that I didn't
Speaker 4: have to do that, you know, I had that option
Speaker 4: with my career and my job's or Unfortunately, my wife
Speaker 4: didn't have that option. And as much as she wanted
Speaker 4: and to quit, she couldn't done for you know, so.
Speaker 1: She accepted that the.
Speaker 4: Lesser of the ones will be believed at the time,
Speaker 4: you know, the one and done. And I know she's
Speaker 4: having some medical issues.
Speaker 1: Now I'll pray it's not linked to that, and that
Speaker 1: we just get through those.
Speaker 3: You know, we'll pray for your wife and her healing.
Speaker 3: And it was very evil. And again, you know, I
Speaker 3: go back to everything past nine to eleven and how
Speaker 3: evil that era was, even simple things like and just
Speaker 3: because I'm saying Biden doesn't mean that I'm holding him
Speaker 3: just a fault, because Trump was the godfather of the
Speaker 3: job as well. But when Biden came out in November
Speaker 3: of twenty twenty one and looked at the Cameron said,
Speaker 3: the unvaccinated are looking at a long, dark winter of death.
Speaker 3: I mean, in what world do we live in that
Speaker 3: the person who is charged with protecting the country is
Speaker 3: basically telling people who choose not to get the vaccine
Speaker 3: that they're going to die. I mean, I I was
Speaker 3: flabberg acid for days. I just like, there's no way
Speaker 3: I had to go back rewind every time. Did he
Speaker 3: really say that? Did he really say that? I lived
Speaker 3: just despite it, you know, just so I could fight him.
Speaker 3: That's right, why I'm still here. I'm gonna live to
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unvaccinated.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: The whole thing, one of.
Speaker 4: The rabbit holes being in the conspiracy world that I
Speaker 4: went down with with the straw Man. You know, I
Speaker 4: read some straw Man books and potentially leaving the system completely.
Speaker 4: And as much as I would have liked to have
Speaker 4: gotten on board with that, what good does that do
Speaker 4: as well?
Speaker 1: I mean, I.
Speaker 4: Don't have to pay taxes. That's not going to happen.
Speaker 4: They're always gonna find Joe Yep. I mean I don't
Speaker 4: know where. Oh that film guy who did the flat
Speaker 4: Earth documentary, what's.
Speaker 3: His name, Sean Hibbert Hibbler, Yes, but he.
Speaker 4: Was on a streak of eight or nine years from
Speaker 4: not doing it. Lucky man, how did he get away?
Speaker 4: I went two years and they were knocking on my door.
Speaker 4: So back to being in the real world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know the strong Man series. It has
Speaker 3: to do with your name. Just for instance, I think
Speaker 3: you can go on YouTube and there if I can
Speaker 3: find it, folks, I'll put it in the show notes.
Speaker 3: But I got to put a note to remember to
Speaker 3: look for this.
Speaker 1: Brandon.
Speaker 4: Joe Williams is a big one that I followed for
Speaker 4: a while.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I get his email still.
Speaker 1: Yeh.
Speaker 3: His f the system or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I may have had him on my podcast one time
Speaker 3: a while ago. I think that's how I got started
Speaker 3: with it. But fact I think so. It's been a
Speaker 3: couple of years, but I think that's how I got
Speaker 3: into him. He's a big one. But yeah, the whole
Speaker 3: Organic Act of eighteen seventy one, when America or was
Speaker 3: it the Organic Act of eighteen seventy one, and then
Speaker 3: America became a corporation. That's why instead of the United
Speaker 3: States of America it's it's all caps now. And I
Speaker 3: think that has something to do with your name too,
Speaker 3: when it's in all caps with the straw men, right.
Speaker 1: Yep, yeap.
Speaker 4: If you're part of the system, if your name's in
Speaker 4: all caps, then tell you break your long burth spertificate
Speaker 4: away from it and become free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I've heard people say they've never paid taxes.
Speaker 3: Then I hear people say that I paid taxes and
Speaker 3: I stopped paying, and two or three years later they
Speaker 3: got a letter they've had, you know, their wages attached.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the formula is. If it's random,
Speaker 3: and if there's so many people, they can't keep with
Speaker 3: all of them, they draw your name.
Speaker 4: I was at a movie theater and my card was declined,
Speaker 4: and like what a worrid oh rs can knot?
Speaker 5: Hey, yeah, and that thing was I didn't really owe them,
Speaker 5: you know, it was I had actually paid too much
Speaker 5: at some point in time, you know.
Speaker 1: But but penalties and all that they wanted.
Speaker 3: That's that's just uh in Yeah, taxationist theft. It just
Speaker 3: truly is. And of course when they finally did it
Speaker 3: was at the sixteenth Amendment. Hey listen, guys, just one percent.
Speaker 3: And here's the problem, and this is what people don't
Speaker 3: get is the wealthy people they would rather pay lawyers
Speaker 3: tens of thousands of dollars so they don't have to
Speaker 3: pay a diamond taxes. And that's why there will never
Speaker 3: be just straight tax If they just did everybody one percent,
Speaker 3: there would never be any refunds, they would never they
Speaker 3: wouldn't have a need for all the employees they have.
Speaker 3: Just that's it. But there are so many loopholes and
Speaker 3: you can be just unaware of how to do your taxes,
Speaker 3: and the fact that they make you go to someplace
Speaker 3: to pay to have them done is criminal in itself.
Speaker 4: Ah, it's it's a nightmare to try to do them
Speaker 4: on your own. It can't make it anymore. I mean
Speaker 4: they can, but you know it's not an easy thing.
Speaker 4: Not just everybody wants to tax. You know, one slip
Speaker 4: up and they'll come get you anyway, even if you
Speaker 4: did do them.
Speaker 3: And I don't know about you, but they didn't teach
Speaker 3: us how to do taxes in high school.
Speaker 1: I'd never had a glass on those for sure.
Speaker 3: So that's still the thing. I always say, maybe you
Speaker 3: know the answer to this question because I'd listened to
Speaker 3: Brandon Joe for a little while and it kind of
Speaker 3: fell off. He kind of fell off my radar. Where's
Speaker 3: the legal documentation? Where's the legal agreement that we have
Speaker 3: to pay taxes? Like? I never signed anything. I just
Speaker 3: turned eighteen and I got my first paycheck and I
Speaker 3: asked who fickle was? Who's this thick a guy that's
Speaker 3: taking my money? You know what I mean? Where is
Speaker 3: the legal Because here's the thing. Right when I bought
Speaker 3: this property four years ago, all kinds of paperwork, I
Speaker 3: understood the interest rate. Right when you buy a car,
Speaker 3: you understand the interest rate. There's a contract that is
Speaker 3: binding between the person. Anytime, anytime there's a financial transaction,
Speaker 3: there's an agreement, right, no matter what it is. Even
Speaker 3: when you go to the store, you give the money,
Speaker 3: they give you a receipt just showing proving you had
Speaker 3: to transaction. But with taxes, something that can literally land
Speaker 3: you in jail. It's just nothing. Not hey, you get
Speaker 3: a letter of the mal Hey, Matt, you're eighteen now,
Speaker 3: just to let you know you must file taxes every
Speaker 3: year using ten forty easy or if you have this
Speaker 3: blah blah blah blah blah. Just nothing. What kind of
Speaker 3: society is that? When you am I wrong?
Speaker 4: Here?
Speaker 1: No, No, you're not wrong.
Speaker 4: I mean honestly, I mean and we say this, the answer,
Speaker 4: isn't it When you fill out your employment paperwork is
Speaker 4: where it states the taxes. I think that's where everyone
Speaker 4: always points to that you're supposed to check mark a.
Speaker 3: Different gotcha, gotcha, gotcha, gotcha for that answer.
Speaker 4: And to me, I'm like, even the last job that
Speaker 4: I took, there was no what do you want to
Speaker 4: what do you want to claim?
Speaker 1: That was the only that was the only thing sign here,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, how many dependents you're claim in, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's again it's it's created that way so that rich
Speaker 3: people can have loopholes, and every person who is wealthy,
Speaker 3: not rich, but wealthy has a nonprofit that they can
Speaker 3: run their money through and they will take their like
Speaker 3: Bill Gates, he'll take his windfall and he'll put it
Speaker 3: all in the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. And on
Speaker 3: top of just being able to use that money to live,
Speaker 3: he can also sit in front of a camera and say,
Speaker 3: you know, we truly care about the people of India
Speaker 3: and we're going to take a polio in oral polio
Speaker 3: vaccine over there and help them out. So not only
Speaker 3: will they get millions and donations and money from the government,
Speaker 3: they can also you know, do the work of the
Speaker 3: first order of the Georgia Guidestones, and that's to get
Speaker 3: that population down with that oral Do you ever hear
Speaker 3: the story about that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, unfortunately that it's such a sad thing to
Speaker 4: see that destroyed and all the things that said on
Speaker 4: there about getting the population down?
Speaker 1: Was it five hundred million?
Speaker 3: Five hundred million were what eight billion?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: So are they're saying, yeah, I mean, what was it
Speaker 4: that was mentioned on that podcast that kind of goes
Speaker 4: along with us? This morning, I believe was talked about
Speaker 4: the timeframe that we're in, the thirty to the sixty.
Speaker 4: I meant to take note of it, but I was
Speaker 4: kind of busy, and I mean it kind of goes
Speaker 4: along with some of the people that have had their
Speaker 4: five or six sticks, you know, and are getting thick
Speaker 4: and these turbo cancers. I mean, we're we're we're in
Speaker 4: that frame of that thirty to sixty that was mentioned.
Speaker 1: We're right there. I mean, is the what is the number? Thing?
Speaker 3: Oh? That was with Okay, that was with Dan and
Speaker 3: it was was it like nine oh seven two hundred days?
Speaker 3: Nine hundred seven two hundred days? Is how you get that?
Speaker 3: Using the lunar calendar, not a solar calendar? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And that goes along with the the numbers that are
Speaker 4: prophesized for like twenty forty's and all that as well.
Speaker 1: You know, it kind of lines that all up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 1: And it's scary to think that way, but.
Speaker 4: There's days where I'm like, let's do this, you know,
Speaker 4: I'm ready. I mean, I'm ready to fight that good fight,
Speaker 4: you know. I mean, I know where I'm going. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 3: No, And I'm glad you mentioned numbers because numerology there's
Speaker 3: connections in every not just nine to eleven, but even
Speaker 3: in flat earth. You know, when I found out we're
Speaker 3: just looking at numbers, I'm reading Genesis again, and Adam
Speaker 3: lived to be nine hundred and thirty years old. I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: there's ninety three right, the original son of God, and
Speaker 3: then they're the Sun God ninety three million, nine hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty years old. It's all mockery.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
Speaker 4: That's something you know, hearing through all the podcasts is
Speaker 4: that that's just wild. There's no coincidence that you just
Speaker 4: can't keep having all these coincidences for these numbers equal
Speaker 4: that that's just nuts and the whole I remember when
Speaker 4: I got on board, it was like, we're traveling sixty
Speaker 4: six six hundred miles, you know, but now if you
Speaker 4: look it up so well they rounded it up, it's
Speaker 4: sixty six thousand, seven hundred miles. Yeah, it's funny how
Speaker 4: once things get caught onto they let's just bump the
Speaker 4: numbers a little bit you know, skew them from what
Speaker 4: they really what they really were telling us.
Speaker 1: But it's it's already a cat's out of the bag.
Speaker 4: I already seen that, you know, I know what what
Speaker 4: they were insinuating and what they were linking everything to.
Speaker 4: Like you said, the ninety three, the thirty three is
Speaker 4: the six six sixes just everywhere.
Speaker 1: It can't be.
Speaker 3: Not on purpose, you know, yeah, uh, you know once
Speaker 3: can once is a coincidence, anything more than two or three,
Speaker 3: it's intentional. And you know, Manley P. Hall was the
Speaker 3: one that said, you know, once you figure out, once
Speaker 3: you can read the signs and the numbers, then Availa
Speaker 3: will fall from the eyes of men and again for
Speaker 3: the million of time. That really is the story of
Speaker 3: they live trying to get people to see just the
Speaker 3: fight of just taking two seconds, would you look at this,
Speaker 3: for the love of Pete, it is life changing my life.
Speaker 3: I I you know, when I think back to the
Speaker 3: things that I focused on and spent time on, and
Speaker 3: how overnight when I finally and I'd been down other
Speaker 3: rabbit holes, but really Flat Earth was the one that
Speaker 3: put me over the hill that everything is a conspiracy. Indeed,
Speaker 3: it truly is, and very little of our world is organic.
Speaker 3: And you know it was Dave McGowan that helped me
Speaker 3: realize that with his book Weird Scenes. All these musical groups,
Speaker 3: all their parents were Cia and oss, from the police
Speaker 3: to the mamas and the papas everybody else. And you
Speaker 3: know George Morrison's dad, the Admiral of the USS Maddox,
Speaker 3: you know that led to Vietnam, all of these things.
Speaker 3: It's just like wow, like you know, if we can
Speaker 3: figure it out, how come? And it's because of the
Speaker 3: mockingbird media. I always say, how come these journalists we
Speaker 3: can never get a big journalist to put these things together. Well,
Speaker 3: it's because they're part of the club.
Speaker 1: Too, deal part of that club card. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to carry that card.
Speaker 3: No, Nope, it's the.
Speaker 1: But it's it's it could be tough.
Speaker 4: I think it's one of those things where being awake
Speaker 4: is a curse but a blessing. And unless you have
Speaker 4: somebody to talk it through with and and have a
Speaker 4: friend that understands, even if they might not agree, you know,
Speaker 4: it's helpful, you know, sometimes get that off your chest
Speaker 4: and share things. You know, I'm quick to share things
Speaker 4: with my group, and I know they're not going to
Speaker 4: assarily agree, but.
Speaker 1: At least it's off my chest.
Speaker 4: I've talked to them about it, and it gives me
Speaker 4: a sense of relief.
Speaker 3: That's a great point, and that's something I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been able to do even seven or eight years ago maybe,
Speaker 3: But after twenty seventeen is when I really drop my curtain.
Speaker 3: I was willing, but now, I mean, I'll talk to
Speaker 3: anybody about anything now. And my daughter, who's fifteen, she'd
Speaker 3: be like, you don't know that person. Why are you
Speaker 3: talking to them? It's what old people do, honey. We
Speaker 3: just talk to everybody, you know. That's what I tell you.
Speaker 1: What's that I don't know? Stranger? My wife says, you
Speaker 1: don't know stranger? Do it?
Speaker 3: No? No, I'm happy to talk with everybody. And the
Speaker 3: thing that I try to get past people is, you know,
Speaker 3: most people don't want to evangelize or witness in public,
Speaker 3: and there's this thought that everybody is crazy. And I'm
Speaker 3: here to tell you now, sure there's people out there
Speaker 3: with issues, right There are people that are wound up
Speaker 3: and they have a camera with them and they want
Speaker 3: to get something or whatever the case may be. But
Speaker 3: most of the people are. They're like you and I
Speaker 3: and they may have different whether it's political beliefs or
Speaker 3: religious beliefs, but at the end of the day, most people,
Speaker 3: they have children, they've got a mortgage, they've got a
Speaker 3: car payment, they're trying to make it through the year
Speaker 3: with maybe the chance of having a vacation. And they know,
Speaker 3: even the most you know, worldly person who has their
Speaker 3: head in the ground that they have to after at
Speaker 3: least after twenty twenty, have a sniff to the fakeness
Speaker 3: of our world. And you never know. You don't know
Speaker 3: if you can change a person's life unless you try.
Speaker 3: And look, look if we all reflect, like and I'm
Speaker 3: talking everybody who's listening to this podcast, like Matt myself,
Speaker 3: there was one event in our life that changed our
Speaker 3: way of thinking. Maybe it was a podcast, Maybe it
Speaker 3: was a conversation with someone. You, the person listening, just
Speaker 3: a conversation with you. You can change the trajectory of
Speaker 3: someone's life. And through all the emails I've gotten, I
Speaker 3: can tell you can put them on a trajectory to
Speaker 3: walk with God. Matt, I'll throw it back to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean no, I agree.
Speaker 4: It just takes one person to plant that seed, you know,
Speaker 4: and maybe change a person's life forever.
Speaker 1: I mean, turn them to Jesus.
Speaker 4: You know. I'm happy to share my story with people
Speaker 4: for that reason. You know, if if I could affect
Speaker 4: one person's life, you know, hey, more power to that man.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. So I'm going to continue to do that.
Speaker 4: And even though I don't share it with some of
Speaker 4: my loved ones because they don't one hundred percent agree
Speaker 4: with that, and my my in laws by no means
Speaker 4: agree with my one. My one in law is a
Speaker 4: doctor and he oh boy, yeah right.
Speaker 1: I have to kind of keep things quiet from that aspect.
Speaker 3: So not a lot of conversations about vaccines.
Speaker 4: Not a vaccines, definitely not the flatters. Even though I
Speaker 4: heard that he he might be on to me, oh
Speaker 4: oh so yeah, something about Facebook seeing something on Facebook somewhere.
Speaker 3: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: And I look back in my comments.
Speaker 4: One day and I'm like, I only commented on Chris
Speaker 4: Bozog's page once, And uh, I can't imagine that that's
Speaker 4: the only thing that I commented on out there he's seen.
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, how would he would have seen that
Speaker 4: unless he was in that group? You know, I don't
Speaker 4: know it is what it is. It might kind of
Speaker 4: head one day, but yeah, for now, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: just keep low and just keep witnessing to some of
Speaker 4: the other people I know out here.
Speaker 1: And go from there.
Speaker 3: Outstanding. We're we're almost out of time. Was there any
Speaker 3: bullet notes or any other topics that you wanted to cover?
Speaker 4: I mean, we covered water. We covered all the fakes.
Speaker 4: That's I guess that's one of them. All the videos.
Speaker 4: Why do they have to fake all these videos? The harnesses,
Speaker 4: the green screens? If it's real up there? Why not
Speaker 4: just show us not? Why why fake it?
Speaker 3: One of my bullet that's a great one too, And
Speaker 3: you can just go to YouTube and you'll find them.
Speaker 3: You don't have to look hard. Just NASA fails. I
Speaker 3: think if you put those two words in, yeah, you'll
Speaker 3: find plenty of videos of them failing. Whether it's uh,
Speaker 3: what do you call that when they think they're doing
Speaker 3: something but they're not something reality, augmented reality, Yeah, is
Speaker 3: it screwed up? The harnesses? Yeah, and of course the hair.
Speaker 4: Oh my goshans Yeah, and oh boy.
Speaker 3: I had to go for a VA follow up the
Speaker 3: morning that they were going to rescue those two from
Speaker 3: the iss and it was man, you would have thought
Speaker 3: they were rescuing the folks from Gilligan's Island. Is passionate
Speaker 3: and it's hard for me. I'm sitting there in the
Speaker 3: wedding room and I just wanted to laugh and or
Speaker 3: you know, but.
Speaker 4: Where do you think they hide those to after nine months?
Speaker 1: Where do they go not to be seen? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean?
Speaker 3: I still think there is land, even in this realm,
Speaker 3: with even within these walls that people don't know about.
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't researched further. There's a few people
Speaker 3: that have floated it, but a lot of people believe
Speaker 3: that post Korean War, that North Korea became a CIA proxy,
Speaker 3: and there's a lot of CIA assets in North Korea
Speaker 3: and the whole King johm Oun and his dad and
Speaker 3: all that is really a CIA proxy. Is it true
Speaker 3: or not? I don't know, but I subscribe to the
Speaker 3: fact that there's probably land out there in the South Pacific.
Speaker 3: And remember the movie. Another listener brought this up, Dazed
Speaker 3: and Confused, a nineties movie The Globe. There's there's land
Speaker 3: just to the west of Australia on that globe.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's not really that way on a
Speaker 1: normal man, right right, Yeah, I didn't see something about that.
Speaker 3: So was that disclosure in mockery or was that just.
Speaker 1: Truth and plain sight.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever looked to see who directed
Speaker 3: or was part of that, because sometimes you can see
Speaker 3: who's part of a movie and go like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: that well, that explains a lot of it. Wrench Richard
Speaker 3: Link later, I'm not sure who this guy is. Hmm,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to do a deep dive. Oh well,
Speaker 3: you know what. Oh, he did a lot. He did
Speaker 3: a movie called Apollo ten and a half, a space
Speaker 3: age childhood. Oh that's interesting. He did a space.
Speaker 1: Movie and there we are down the hole.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding, that's very interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm that As far as that goes, I
Speaker 4: don't know if there's my belief. You know, I can't
Speaker 4: prove anything. I'm just I'm just Matt in Missouri.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't go out there and search the Antarctic.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't fly to the.
Speaker 4: You know, with Jeff Bezos, I don't have that kind
Speaker 4: of money, you know, to slide me.
Speaker 1: Up there and see.
Speaker 4: As far as the lands, I don't think there's anything
Speaker 4: beyond the permament, you know, I kind of subscribe to
Speaker 4: the whole. Maybe it is the square, but the but
Speaker 4: the dome cuts off some of the corners, and maybe
Speaker 4: that would be just slightly beyond, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good take.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I just I'm sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: I just just my Bible, man, I owe back to
Speaker 4: my Bible. I got the faith. That's what I'm supposed
Speaker 4: to have. It's the faith, and I believe the Bible,
Speaker 4: and here we have it.
Speaker 3: That's right. And by the way, when people ask me questions,
Speaker 3: I'm not ashamed to say I don't know, because.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. You know.
Speaker 4: My wife will ask me, and I'm like, God, I
Speaker 4: really have an answer for that, but I can look
Speaker 4: up something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But you know, at the same time, I also tell
Speaker 3: people I think it would be rather cocky of his,
Speaker 3: cocky of us to expect to understand God's creation fully.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he says we're not to know,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 3: So I'd rather just say I don't know than to say, well,
Speaker 3: let me see, we're we're on a ball, we're spinning,
Speaker 3: and just come up with some kind of craziness to
Speaker 3: explain something because you want to take away from God. Right,
Speaker 3: that's really what it is. Matt. It's been a real
Speaker 3: privilege enjoyed this to chat with you. Yeah, God bless you.
Speaker 3: And before we leave, as always, I like to leave
Speaker 3: our listeners with the final word, oh.
Speaker 4: My, I knew this was coming here. I am just
Speaker 4: uh once again, just have the faith I have near
Speaker 4: your bible, look deeper, do a little research, and I
Speaker 4: mean in the end, you know, we're all going to
Speaker 4: see him once once again, you know, and just stay
Speaker 4: strong and.
Speaker 1: Love him. Love everyone.
Speaker 3: Amen. Great closing words, and again, thank you for your
Speaker 3: time on this evening. God bless you and your family,
Speaker 3: and to all the listeners, thank you for your continued support.
Speaker 3: And again, if you'd like to join us like Matt
Speaker 3: did this evening, please do send us an email to
Speaker 3: fe files guest at gmail dot com. We'd love to
Speaker 3: hear your stories. For Matt. I'm George, God bless you all.
Speaker 3: Have a wonderful week and uh, until we meet again,
Speaker 3: my friends, we will see uh.
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