WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:02.720 All right, let's get a drive time Monday afternoon style. 2 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:05.040 We're looking at about it eight minutes past the hour 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:07.879 of two o'clock, hot day, August Day. It's about eighty 4 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:11.119 eight degrees claire and sunny here in downtown. 5 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:12.519 Salt Lake City, Utah. 6 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:15.119 And as it is every single day, it's going to 7 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:16.359 have you along for the ride. 8 00:00:16.440 --> 00:00:17.000 Spence Check. 9 00:00:17.039 --> 00:00:18.879 It's back behind the mic after a little bit of 10 00:00:18.920 --> 00:00:21.440 time off. Last time we spoke with you live was 11 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:22.920 Wednesday of last week. 12 00:00:23.559 --> 00:00:24.559 Had a fun Thursday. 13 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:28.199 I'm seeing the golf tournament for our friends at Murdoch Chevrolet, 14 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:31.679 the Murdoc Auto Group, Murdock Hundai, Murdoch Genesis of Lyndon, 15 00:00:32.640 --> 00:00:35.479 my guy Blake Murdoch, Ben, the brothers. It was good 16 00:00:35.520 --> 00:00:37.399 time up there at Balley View and all the people 17 00:00:37.399 --> 00:00:37.960 that showed up. 18 00:00:38.000 --> 00:00:39.000 Appreciate you guys. 19 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:44.840 And then spent the weekend in Middle America, in Indianapolis, 20 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.479 in Indiana and Carmel, Indiana, hanging out with my brother 21 00:00:47.520 --> 00:00:50.119 and his wife and their six children. For any of 22 00:00:50.200 --> 00:00:53.399 you that have that many children, God bless you. 23 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:54.719 You are doing the Lord's work. 24 00:00:54.759 --> 00:00:56.600 I'll tell you what a lot of fun to be 25 00:00:56.679 --> 00:00:59.640 back there though, celebrated my son's birthday. Shout out to 26 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:02.079 Connor turned twenty four over the weekend. That's right, I 27 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:04.879 have a twenty four year old son. My son is 28 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:06.799 twenty four and he's such a good kid. Could not 29 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:09.840 be proud of him. But good weekend, Great to be back. 30 00:01:09.879 --> 00:01:12.359 Hopefully you guys had a great weekend. Happy Monday to you. 31 00:01:12.400 --> 00:01:14.719 Hopefully you're off to a great start to that work week. 32 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:17.840 And it is almost time. It is almost time for 33 00:01:17.879 --> 00:01:20.840 college football. We are in game week for week zero. 34 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:23.599 We have college football this weekend and then the following 35 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.319 the weekend, our local teams will kick off as Utah 36 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:28.640 will be at the Rose Bold to take on the 37 00:01:28.719 --> 00:01:33.239 UCLA Bruins byu host Portland State. Utah State is taking 38 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:35.359 on Utah. A shout out to the Utah State players 39 00:01:35.359 --> 00:01:38.400 for earning their numbers. It's been a while since we've 40 00:01:38.400 --> 00:01:40.799 got Bronco Mendenhall and State. I forgot how corny this 41 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:44.680 stuff gets with him, respectfully, the man's a great coach, 42 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:47.519 and everybody who knows Bronco seems to like him and 43 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:52.040 respect him. It's the dumbest thing. It's so cheesy, but congratulations, 44 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:54.560 So I guess I should say the portion of the 45 00:01:54.640 --> 00:01:58.680 Utah state roster who's earned their numbers, so all of yeah, yeah. 46 00:01:58.560 --> 00:01:59.760 Yeah, that's my bad. I forget. 47 00:01:59.840 --> 00:02:02.560 Yeah, you got to earn your number. Are they doing 48 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:05.159 the what did he have the BYU players wear on 49 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.400 the back of the It was like spirit, tradition and 50 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:08.400 honor or something. 51 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.960 Hey, spirit tradition and honor. 52 00:02:11.919 --> 00:02:13.439 Don't don't spit it down. 53 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:18.039 Those are our three staples I think of this program, 54 00:02:18.199 --> 00:02:19.319 this program. 55 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:21.919 This the Afternoon Drive. You're on ESPN seven hundred. We 56 00:02:21.960 --> 00:02:24.560 are known for spirit, tradition and honor. You know what, 57 00:02:24.599 --> 00:02:26.240 that's actually not bad And. 58 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.080 I couldn't say that without like, here's the deal. 59 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.319 Before the end of the show, I'm going to decide 60 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:31.960 whether or not you've earned that roan. 61 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:33.919 Shirt you're wearing. Oh no, you might have to take 62 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:34.319 it off. 63 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.960 I don't know if they're a sponsor anymore, so. 64 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:39.439 Not technically, but you and I wear it every day, 65 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:40.360 so kind of they are. 66 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.840 That's they provide free clothing. That's port reproduced of the show. 67 00:02:43.919 --> 00:02:45.039 My name is Spence Checkets. 68 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:45.759 I host the show. 69 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:47.639 It's good to have you guys with us on this Monday, 70 00:02:48.280 --> 00:02:49.319 and we are jam packed. 71 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:50.000 We have Week. 72 00:02:49.840 --> 00:02:53.360 Three of the NFL preseason in the rearview mirror. Some 73 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.560 of our local players solidify and roster spots. A lot 74 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.879 of utes on the Broncos roster saw some action of 75 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:02.639 the weekend. Caleb Lander had to catch Karene Reid had 76 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.479 a couple of tackles. Jona Ellis cosm chaos in the backfield, 77 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:10.319 Jackson Dark continues to impress for the New York Giants. 78 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:11.919 He's not going to get that starting job. 79 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.960 And a lot of NFL players, a lot of local 80 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:17.039 NFL players trying to make their in roads. Look like 81 00:03:17.120 --> 00:03:19.080 Zach Wilson is going to lock in that QB two 82 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.639 spot in Miami. Feels like BYU as a starting quarterback, 83 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:26.439 they're kind of playing in a little KOI A Rod 84 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:30.280 and Klaude and having announced and officially that bear Bachmeyers 85 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.520 are starting quarterback in Provo, but it feels like that's 86 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.080 kind of the deal. Speaking of Provo, our friends at 87 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:37.599 the Salt Lake Tribune, Kevin Reynolds with a good piece 88 00:03:37.599 --> 00:03:41.639 today about a topic we've discussed quite a bit since 89 00:03:41.719 --> 00:03:43.919 nil became a reality. And I told you five years 90 00:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.280 ago this stuff was going to be very beneficial for 91 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.479 BYU and here we are. But they will not say 92 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:51.680 the quiet part out loud. They will not tell the truth. 93 00:03:51.759 --> 00:03:56.039 It's disingenuous, it's inauthentic, and quite frankly, it's insulting when 94 00:03:56.039 --> 00:03:58.759 we all know the deal, yet they hide behind this cloak. 95 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:01.599 And Kevin did a good job today. A sltrip dot 96 00:04:01.599 --> 00:04:03.039 com is where you go. So we'll dig into some 97 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:06.759 of that stuff. When it comes to BYU's ability to 98 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:10.639 compete with the highest bidders in college athletics to pay 99 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:12.840 their players to play for their school. 100 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:14.080 And yes, that's what they're doing. 101 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:17.399 And by the way, there's nothing wrong with it. 102 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:18.920 It's the weirdest thing. 103 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:22.720 I think it's a microcosm of several weird elements down there. 104 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.319 But whatever, Kevin did a good job today with that, 105 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.560 so we'll get into it. So college football on the 106 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.000 program today will get you ready for game day, which 107 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:33.839 is under two weeks away now. Ohio State has a 108 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:37.079 starting quarterback as well a couple of positional battles with 109 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.120 the University of Utah scrimmage up on the Hill over 110 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:41.040 the weekend that we'll get into as well. Get you 111 00:04:41.040 --> 00:04:44.720 guys ready for game day for the Utes. RSL another 112 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:49.399 tough night. When it comes to the officials. I am 113 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:51.759 not a soccer expert. We do cover the club on 114 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:54.040 the show, as you guys know, and I always will 115 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:55.920 because they're my friends and I want them to succeed 116 00:04:55.959 --> 00:04:58.199 and do well. 117 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:00.120 But that looked like a handball. 118 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:03.920 Well because the excuse me, the defender raised his arm 119 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:05.399 and touched the ball with his hand. 120 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:07.560 Again, not an expert over. 121 00:05:07.439 --> 00:05:11.399 Here me neither looked apparently like what happened to me. 122 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:13.079 But you know, yep, yep. 123 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.319 So RSL had a potential penalty kick taken away from them. 124 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:20.160 There was a very violent tackle at least in the 125 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.959 world of soccer at midfield where a Charlotte player probably 126 00:05:23.959 --> 00:05:26.920 should have been set off. Nonetheless, RSL two straight ls now, 127 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.160 and they're below the playoff line with only eight matches 128 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:32.000 to play. The good news is five of those matches 129 00:05:32.040 --> 00:05:35.120 are at home, starting on Saturday, and your boy will 130 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.759 be there. I'm heading to the game Saturday night. Have 131 00:05:37.839 --> 00:05:40.279 not been to an RSL match since early in the season. 132 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:44.439 So RSL trying to get across the playoff line to 133 00:05:44.480 --> 00:05:47.279 try to qualify for the MLS playoffs, because, as we've seen, 134 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:49.720 once you qualify for the playoffs. You never know what 135 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:53.319 could happen. Joe Flacco is your starter in Cleveland. Dylan 136 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.079 Gabriel with a comment over the weekend. A lot of 137 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:58.120 people are i think misconstruing as far as a shot 138 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.399 at should or Sanders. So we are inching closer and 139 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.879 closer to the NFL. You're probably preparing for some fantasy 140 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:03.800 football drafts. 141 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:05.720 So a lot of football on the show today. 142 00:06:05.759 --> 00:06:09.480 While we were gone of the Utah Jazz received their schedule. 143 00:06:10.639 --> 00:06:11.720 Do you give a rip? 144 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:14.800 They have one national televised game and it'll probably be 145 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.600 flexed out in January home opener October the twenty second 146 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:19.399 against the Clips. 147 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:21.480 New broadcast partners with. 148 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.399 The NBA means a bevy of new scheduling all call 149 00:06:24.439 --> 00:06:27.079 it complications. I'm not sure we're going to see the 150 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:30.319 inside guys until Christmas, which sucks in a lot of ways. 151 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:32.560 But we'll go over some stuff with the Jazz. 152 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:37.519 Lowry Markinen is absolutely crushing it at EuroBasket, just like 153 00:06:37.560 --> 00:06:40.120 he did a few years ago. And if you remember, 154 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:43.199 that was the summer prior to Lowry's first season here 155 00:06:43.279 --> 00:06:45.600 where he had grown ups playing on the roster with 156 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:46.480 him and he played well. 157 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.319 He made an All Star team, so. 158 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.480 A little NBA but mostly football on the show today, 159 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:52.959 Good guest List. Our first guest will be the former 160 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:56.040 athletic director at the University of Utah, good friend of 161 00:06:56.040 --> 00:06:58.560 the program, doctor Chris Hill, live in studio for an 162 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.879 entire hour. Excited to have doctor hillan today. We'll talk 163 00:07:01.920 --> 00:07:03.920 about kind of what's going on behind the scenes this 164 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:07.519 time of year and get his take on the future 165 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:08.399 of Utah football. 166 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:10.079 I want to talk a little college basketball. 167 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:14.360 Last live show we did was last Wednesday up at 168 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:16.959 the Red Zone store on campus, and let me mention, 169 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:21.800 I cannot but it does not look like the store 170 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.120 on campus when I was in school there in the nineties. 171 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.120 We called it the bookstore because that's what it was. 172 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:31.839 Brand new facility, new layout, great gear. They're gonna have 173 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.480 drops every single week prior to Utah football home games. 174 00:07:34.519 --> 00:07:36.639 Tead you guys excited and geared up, ready to go 175 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:37.600 for Utah football. 176 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:39.480 Head up to the campus store check it out. 177 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.920 But randon Alex Jensen and chatted with Alex for a minute, 178 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:45.319 and he was with Wes Wilcox, who's the general manager 179 00:07:45.920 --> 00:07:48.000 of the Utah men's basketball program. So I want to 180 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:52.240 talk to Doctor Hill about what we should expect from 181 00:07:52.279 --> 00:07:54.600 Alex year one as the head coach of the Utah 182 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:58.600 men's basketball team. The voice himself, Bill Riley joins us 183 00:07:58.600 --> 00:08:00.560 on a Monday afternoon. It talks to you camp, some 184 00:08:00.680 --> 00:08:05.160 camp Kyle scrimmage and Utah scrimmage. Maybe some positional battles, 185 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:09.439 namely along the defensive line, who's going to be cornerback 186 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:14.079 number two across from Scooby? And then we'll get into 187 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.879 some QB two talk and then how everything's looking shaping 188 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.600 up to the season opener against UCLA at the Rose 189 00:08:20.639 --> 00:08:22.399 Bowl coming up an under two weeks from now. So 190 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.120 Riles stop by today and then former RSL general manager 191 00:08:26.120 --> 00:08:28.600 Elliott Fall will roll by in studio for a hit. 192 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:31.480 Elliott, really, I think. 193 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.720 Deserves a lot of credit for the team he built 194 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.360 up that this current iteration decided to break down for 195 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:39.799 whatever reason. So we'll get with Elliott today, been wanting 196 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:41.480 to have him on the show for a while, and 197 00:08:41.519 --> 00:08:44.080 then we'll go from there. So Doctor Chris Hill, Bill Riley, 198 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.240 Elliott Fall, Me Spence check at all of you the 199 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:49.240 great listeners, Hello, how are you? Thanks for making us 200 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:52.000 a part of your Monday and him that guy Porter Larson, 201 00:08:52.039 --> 00:08:53.240 who produces the show. 202 00:08:53.320 --> 00:08:54.240 How was your weekend? Pal? 203 00:08:54.320 --> 00:08:54.879 It was good? 204 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:55.519 It was good. 205 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:56.440 How was your weekend? 206 00:08:56.799 --> 00:08:58.679 Well, you can't just say it's good. Give me one 207 00:08:58.759 --> 00:09:00.360 highlight from your weekend. What did did you do that 208 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:02.519 was fun? Give me one thing and it was well? 209 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:05.840 I drove a bunch. Unfortunately, that's not that. That's not 210 00:09:05.879 --> 00:09:08.879 a highlight. I kind of got my ass kicked by 211 00:09:08.879 --> 00:09:14.480 a large hoofed animal. That's somewhat of a highlight. But 212 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:17.039 I did uh, I did get outside. 213 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:21.679 I I did a little Central Utah exploring Severe Canyon area, 214 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.519 Big Rock, Candy Mountain area. You're familiar. That's probably one 215 00:09:25.519 --> 00:09:27.840 of the highlights. Do we hanging out on the river? 216 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:28.799 Do we swear on the show? 217 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:28.960 Now? 218 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:30.919 Is that something we do? Forgot about our well? I 219 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:31.240 was gone? 220 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:32.559 Is it forgot about our tenants? 221 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.919 Okay, I'm just saying, I mean spirit tradition on her 222 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:36.480 that's the that's what we do. 223 00:09:36.519 --> 00:09:37.240 And then you roll in. 224 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:40.080 You just start dropping dropping asses like there's nothing wrong 225 00:09:40.120 --> 00:09:40.360 with it. 226 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:42.840 I apologize for this. Be better or else you're not 227 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:43.879 gonna earn your own shirt. 228 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:45.720 Okay, I was talking about a mule. 229 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:49.240 Okay, that's fair, I kind of you know, as my 230 00:09:49.240 --> 00:09:51.399 grandma used to say, it's also in the Bible. My 231 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.600 grandma rest in Peace, had it like I used to 232 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:56.679 love it. She would swear up and down. But if 233 00:09:56.679 --> 00:09:58.519 it's in the Bible, the Bible swears, there you go. 234 00:09:58.679 --> 00:09:59.600 Not the bad swears. 235 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.039 Or if you're in the state of Utah one I 236 00:10:02.080 --> 00:10:05.840 hear very commonly. And my friends that sometimes listened to 237 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:07.759 the show. And you know, I played sports with me 238 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.360 back in the day. If you're between the lines, right, 239 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:13.080 if you're in the between the lines of the court 240 00:10:13.279 --> 00:10:14.360 or the field, doesn't count. 241 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:15.679 Doesn't count. 242 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:21.159 Okay, brother, one of your ex teammates has been texting 243 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.720 me quite a bit, dming me on social media. Oh really, 244 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:25.799 it seems like a nice guy just listens to the 245 00:10:25.840 --> 00:10:28.840 show as he knew you when you were a kid. Okay, 246 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.679 that's the end of the story. Some of them are 247 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.919 very very nice guys. Okay, what about the others. 248 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:39.200 Most of them the folk up in Camus, they are 249 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:39.600 my people. 250 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.360 S all to the earth people up in Camas. All right, 251 00:10:42.399 --> 00:10:44.000 A lot to do. Our first guest today live in 252 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.320 the studio will be doctor Chris Hill. But before we 253 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.080 get to doctor Hill, courtesy of our friends at Prize Fix. 254 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:51.799 It is Todd Now for your opening tip. 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It is the Monday 273 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:45.360 of Week zero, which will be highlighted by Iowa State 274 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:48.759 and k State. In Dublin, Ireland. Our buddy Chris Camaradnie 275 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:51.360 will be live on site. I'm sure we'll check in 276 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.639 with Ck next week about his experience. So that's coming 277 00:11:54.759 --> 00:11:57.519 up on Saturday. That will be your first game. Boise 278 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:01.279 State South Florida Thursday, and then we launch into an 279 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.480 entire slate big time college football. Some really good opening 280 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:09.200 day matchups for week one. LSU Clemson might be the 281 00:12:09.279 --> 00:12:13.440 highlight at Memorial Stadium in Clemson, South Carolina. A bunch 282 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.000 of other good non con games, and of course Big 283 00:12:16.039 --> 00:12:20.320 Twelve needing to show well in non con as a 284 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.440 lot of eyes on the Big Twelve conference this year. 285 00:12:22.480 --> 00:12:26.279 Can they get two teams in Notre Dame Miami will 286 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.919 culminate and essentially wrap up the weekend. That's going to 287 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:32.720 be a Sunday game on August to thirty first, But 288 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:35.879 of course Utah on the road taking on UCLA. 289 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.480 That's a nine o'clock kicktime on Fox. 290 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:41.200 By the way, I want to mention that the debut 291 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.320 of the Devin Dan Pier, a weekly interview on The 292 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:47.399 Sean O'Connell Show, will come your way on Thursday. So 293 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:49.039 a lot of you wanting to get to know Devin 294 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:51.080 a little bit better. We are your home with the Utes, 295 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:53.799 and so we will make sure that you guys are 296 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:55.679 able to kind of get a little bit of insight 297 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:57.840 on what makes them tick. Good kid, really nice kid, 298 00:12:57.840 --> 00:12:59.960 had a chance to kick the tires with them down 299 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:01.840 Big twelve Media Day. Of course, a lot of to 300 00:13:01.879 --> 00:13:04.919 be asked of him. Under center is Utah's QB one. 301 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:09.399 Utah remains essentially a touchdown favorite. That line's about six 302 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:11.679 point five points against UCLA. 303 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.559 So that will be your opener for the Utes. 304 00:13:13.559 --> 00:13:15.519 And you can hear the game on our radio station 305 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.120 with Bill and Scott and Slide in the gang a 306 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:19.399 ton of pregame coverage. 307 00:13:19.480 --> 00:13:20.919 Porter's gonna take care of you there. 308 00:13:21.600 --> 00:13:24.559 And then don't forget during home games this year, starting 309 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:28.559 on September the sixth against cal Poly and continuing all 310 00:13:28.840 --> 00:13:31.519 season long, come chill out with us at our tailgate. 311 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:33.679 We're right on Guardsman's right on the corner. It's like 312 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.360 the Primus location. It's right outside of the big Smith's setup. 313 00:13:37.399 --> 00:13:39.200 I guess I should check if Smith's is back with 314 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:42.360 the Utes this year, but that big setup on the corner. 315 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:45.000 Have a lot of fun there. Out Load Distillery is 316 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:47.720 gonna be serving some spirits. We all always have great 317 00:13:47.759 --> 00:13:50.240 food and it's a good time. I'd like to roll 318 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:51.639 through there when I go up there and kind of 319 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:54.159 say hi to my college buddies who have some tailgate 320 00:13:54.200 --> 00:13:57.080 spots up there. So Utah football is here, and I 321 00:13:57.120 --> 00:14:00.679 do think as I continue to talk about the piece 322 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:03.080 of optimism I continue to kind of latch onto for 323 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.960 the utes is that it doesn't appear to be really 324 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.519 a lot of issues. Now, that's what we see as 325 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:12.120 media members, it's what you kind of digest as fans. Obviously, 326 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:14.080 behind the scenes with the coaches and players, I'm sure 327 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:15.000 it's a little bit different. 328 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:16.559 But when your main. 329 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:19.519 Topics are like who's going to be the second cornerback 330 00:14:20.200 --> 00:14:22.320 for a defense that you never worry about, or who's 331 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:25.080 going to be the other defensive end outside of Logan Fano, 332 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:28.639 when those are the conversations, as opposed to is the 333 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.720 quarterback healthy? Who's your starting quarterback? What does that look like? 334 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.519 You got to feel really good as a fan. So 335 00:14:34.799 --> 00:14:37.639 I don't fully know what to expect this year when 336 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:39.720 it comes to the landscape with the Big twelve conference 337 00:14:40.279 --> 00:14:42.159 front of the show. Josh Pate was tuning in to 338 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:46.679 Josh's podcast earlier today and he did his conference picks 339 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:49.360 and Joel Klatt did his conference picks as well a 340 00:14:49.440 --> 00:14:51.960 couple of the college football voices I like to listen to, 341 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:56.279 and the consensus among the Big twelve is even more 342 00:14:56.320 --> 00:15:00.240 confusion than there typically is. You know, airs on a 343 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:03.240 state prohibitive favorite. You look at Vegas, Utah is right there. 344 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.440 There's some other teams. Of course, KSE State always seems 345 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:07.799 to be in the mix. A lot of people love 346 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:10.919 Texas Tech, Dave Brandon Baylor getting a lot of love BYU. 347 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:14.360 It really depends on who you listen to, and it 348 00:15:14.399 --> 00:15:17.039 comes down to whether or not you believe that that 349 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.080 staff can figure out the quarterback spot. They have not 350 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.480 announced it officially, but it does look like the bear 351 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:25.919 Bachmeyer kid, the true freshman who spent his spring football 352 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:29.000 at Stanford, is going to be the number one quarterback 353 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:31.639 for BYU. McKay Hillstead, who a lot of people just 354 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:33.159 kind of assumed who was going to get the job 355 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.639 because of his truncated experience up at Utah State where 356 00:15:36.639 --> 00:15:38.799 he received date starts, looks like he's going to be 357 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:41.559 the backup. And the tracing Borgay kid looks like he's 358 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.200 the odd man looking out or the odd man looking in, 359 00:15:44.279 --> 00:15:47.879 I should say, on the outside. So that continues to 360 00:15:47.879 --> 00:15:50.519 be the question that's percolating with the Cougars, not just 361 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.360 who the quarterback is going to be, but what is 362 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:54.679 the quarterback going to look like? Because no matter who 363 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.399 a Rod lands on, they will be taking their first 364 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:01.600 snaps for BYU and their first snaps on the Big 365 00:16:01.639 --> 00:16:05.360 twelve level, not necessarily college football for Trason and McKay, 366 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:09.399 but certainly it'll be bear Bachmeyer's first experience when it 367 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:13.279 comes to college football at that level, or college football 368 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:16.080 at all, because he is a true freshman. A Rod 369 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:20.600 during media availability last week discussed the dynamic and not 370 00:16:20.639 --> 00:16:26.559 really caring ultimately about whether or not as a freshman, sophomore, junior, senior, transfer, incumbent, 371 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:30.240 and a Rod keeps using the same phrase. The standard 372 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.320 is the standard at BYU when it comes to a 373 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:35.159 quarterback position. For me, if all things are equal, go 374 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:37.639 with the kid. If all things are equal, just go 375 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.480 with the kid. Might as well start building now, and ultimately, 376 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:45.080 in this era of college football, you just have to 377 00:16:45.120 --> 00:16:47.519 go with the guy you think is ready to play 378 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.840 right now. But if you can have some sort of assurance, 379 00:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.799 and I will not get on my collectively bargained soap 380 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:56.600 box today unionize and negotiate with the powers that be. 381 00:16:57.279 --> 00:16:59.039 But if you can get some sort of assurance from 382 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:00.639 Bear that he's going to be here for two or 383 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:03.559 three years, I just think you go with the kid. Now, 384 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:07.160 what happens these days in college football is you do 385 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:10.759 run the risk of the players you elected not to 386 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:14.960 name starters just to transfer. But they're working on more 387 00:17:15.279 --> 00:17:19.000 stringent guidelines in place to make sure that you know 388 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:21.559 when it comes to in season stuff. Yeah, you'll always 389 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:24.000 be able to withdraw and figure it out, but you 390 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:26.519 can't like officially enter the transfer portal. I mean Jake 391 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:29.880 Rhetz laugh who's now Tulane. That's not a situation where 392 00:17:29.880 --> 00:17:32.920 he entered the portal. It was too late, so Tulane 393 00:17:32.920 --> 00:17:35.200 officials couldn't even contact him. They had to go through 394 00:17:35.200 --> 00:17:37.640 his reps, even though the Tulane head coach recruited Jake 395 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.119 out of high school. So we'll see how it plays 396 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:41.880 out down in provo. I do think if you're a 397 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:44.519 ute fan, you should feel very confident they were not 398 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.960 hearing a lot of drama, both you know, front facing 399 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:50.559 or behind the scenes. As we prepare for UCLA coming 400 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.119 up on the thirtieth Saturday of next week. 401 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:54.759 And so college football is here. 402 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:57.599 Man, it's right around the corner, and I feel like 403 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.240 no matter who you listen to most ever, but he 404 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:02.279 is on the same page as far as not knowing 405 00:18:02.319 --> 00:18:05.960 what to expect. This is a sport, in my opinion 406 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.200 twenty years at this now, I think it's harder to 407 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:13.920 predict and analyze than any other sport on any other level. 408 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:16.960 And I think it's even more so now as a 409 00:18:17.000 --> 00:18:20.000 result of roster changeover. I mean, at the very least 410 00:18:20.160 --> 00:18:23.119 you have thirty five to forty new players. At the 411 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.319 very most, you have eighty new players up in logan 412 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.200 like Bronco Menenhall is breaking in with only a portion 413 00:18:28.279 --> 00:18:32.440 of them earning their numbers so far. We got Ryles 414 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:35.599 today voice the Ute, so stop by. We'll talk some 415 00:18:35.759 --> 00:18:39.599 Utah football scrimmage over the weekends. It is week three 416 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:42.720 of four weeks for fall camp for the Utes before 417 00:18:42.720 --> 00:18:44.799 they go to the Rose Bowl to take on UCLA 418 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:46.480 College basketball. 419 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:48.559 Right around the corner. Had a chance to catch up. 420 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:51.680 With Alex Jensen last week up at the Red Zone 421 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:53.960 store on campus. If you're an old Ute like me, 422 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:58.000 we used to call it the bookstore. It is definitely 423 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:01.039 not just the bookstore anymore. It is a very nice facility. 424 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.160 It looks a lot different than it did once upon 425 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:07.319 a time when I was causing chaos on campus. I 426 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.640 want to tell you about my friends at IFA country stores, 427 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:11.279 like any good coach at the top, and update the 428 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:13.920 game plan for a healthy green lawn. As the hot 429 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:17.200 weather continues this month, make sure you're using IFA Step 430 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:19.680 three Summer lawn food for healthy turf that stays green 431 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:22.759 and every season IFA Step three lawn Food. It's the 432 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:27.559 ultimate lawn owner power move at IFA. Speaking of old Utes, 433 00:19:27.599 --> 00:19:30.039 I'm not calling him old, but when I was on campus, 434 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:32.599 the athletic director of the University of Utah was doctor 435 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:35.200 Chris Hill, and he joins me live in studio, doctor Hill. 436 00:19:35.079 --> 00:19:36.279 How are you, sir? I'm doing well. 437 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.200 There's probably two generations that were there, but I'm doing well. 438 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.200 Can't complain. Great to see, a great time of year. 439 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:48.400 So as we approach football and basketball, what are some 440 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:51.920 of the boxes that you wanted checked before the football 441 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:52.559 was kicked off? 442 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.119 Well, I think that you know, I'm by no means 443 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:58.839 close to it. You know, I live near a collocation 444 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:02.119 or whatever, but s I kind of like some things 445 00:20:02.119 --> 00:20:05.039 I hear, you know. I mean, I'm probably going to 446 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:06.599 try to go to practice in a week or two 447 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.519 from now just to say hello. 448 00:20:09.160 --> 00:20:11.200 But I don't do that often, maybe once a year. 449 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:12.920 But I kind of like what I hear. 450 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.079 You know, it does take a genius to say the 451 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:16.880 quarterback's got to do well and that get hurt. 452 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:18.079 I mean, everybody knows that. 453 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.119 One of the things I really like hearing it's about 454 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.079 this offensive line. Yeah, and you know, to me, a 455 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:28.640 good quarterback can become very good with the good line, 456 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:31.400 for sure. I mean, it can't change the quarterback's ability, 457 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:33.319 but you've got a little bit more time to throw. 458 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:36.119 And this guy seems like a runner, you know, a 459 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.680 defense I you know, I just kind of take it 460 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:41.519 for granted, and maybe I shouldn't, but you know, I'll 461 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:43.640 do the running back, I don't, you know, know, so 462 00:20:43.799 --> 00:20:46.200 I think when you have that kind of offensive line, 463 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.759 when I'm here, one guy like projected is you know, 464 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:52.960 top twelve picks or something, you know, so final from 465 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:55.480 my chair, it's similar to yours. And you know, but 466 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:57.200 I kind of like hearing that stuff, you know, and 467 00:20:57.240 --> 00:21:00.440 I think that you know, Harding's are really good coach 468 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:04.200 on the line. So I think that though that'll happen, 469 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:05.079 that'll be good for him. 470 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:08.359 Yeah, all five starters return, and you know, one of 471 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:10.519 the players we don't even hear about much is Michael 472 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:14.559 Mokafici who has thirty three starts. No, everybody talks about 473 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:17.960 Spencer Fano and cayleb Blomo, the two tackles, but michaelast 474 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.599 thirty three starts, Jaron is a captain, and the Tongia 475 00:21:22.799 --> 00:21:24.119 kid is returning as well. 476 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:27.279 I mean, all five of those starters return. I wonder 477 00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:28.240 if you. 478 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:32.400 Ever had experience when it comes to like last year 479 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:35.160 was a disappointment. It was a disappointment for all of 480 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:37.000 us that expected something different. 481 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.119 It was certainly disappointment for Kyle himself. 482 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:43.240 Yeah, and he spoke about that during Big twelve media day. 483 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:45.680 It feels like you taught football is so in trench 484 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:48.599 now that you don't need to quote win anybody back. Yeah, 485 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.759 but what do you look for after a season like 486 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:52.759 last year that just didn't go the way any of 487 00:21:52.839 --> 00:21:53.640 us were expecting. 488 00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:56.720 Well, I just hope they start off well in b UCLA, 489 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.000 the first one because then the next two. I can 490 00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:00.400 say this now is an ad I don't have to 491 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.039 act like they're easy games. But we did schedule some 492 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:05.680 of those for that reason. But I like what I hear, 493 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:09.480 the thing that you don't worry about it, but just 494 00:22:09.480 --> 00:22:12.759 think now, our expectations are good, and that's really good. Yeah, 495 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:14.759 that's cool. Yeah, Like we don't go in with our 496 00:22:14.799 --> 00:22:16.680 tail between our legs and we don't say, oh, last year, 497 00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:17.519 that's where it's going to be. 498 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:19.880 I don't think anybody feels that way. You know. 499 00:22:19.920 --> 00:22:23.160 I don't know how people's expectations are, but you know, 500 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:25.119 I think they're in line to have a very good 501 00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:29.559 year again, and the fans I think are still interested 502 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:34.960 in coming, and so I'm optimistic about just the whole 503 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:38.279 place they have in the pecking order of the Big Twelve. 504 00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:40.640 You know, it was interesting to hear Kyle a Big 505 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:44.400 Twelve media day, and he said this on Sean Show 506 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:49.000 last offseason, but he was more adamant about the fact 507 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:53.039 that his decision to come back was colored in the 508 00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.640 context of how rough last year was, And I honestly 509 00:22:56.680 --> 00:22:59.960 wondered if that was even a factor. Because he's He's 510 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:02.960 one of a handful of coaches in college football whose 511 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:05.960 legacy is cemented at the institution where he's at there's 512 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.400 nothing about last year that changes the thirty thousand foot 513 00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:11.480 view of what Kyle has done with the program. 514 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.400 But knowing him the way you do is the competitor. 515 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.880 What are your thoughts on what that must have been 516 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:19.839 like for him and him really admitting front facing, like, yeah, 517 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:21.640 it wasn't good enough, And that's one of the reasons 518 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:22.680 I decided to come back. 519 00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:27.240 Kyle's really tough on himself, and he's tough on everybody, 520 00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:30.079 you know, So I would imagine it was grinding pretty 521 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.920 hard at him, you know, and especially because he got 522 00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:37.279 halfway through season and kind of going, oh, you know, 523 00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.319 I don't know how we're gonna get where I think 524 00:23:39.359 --> 00:23:42.279 we can get. So it made for and I'm just guessing, 525 00:23:42.319 --> 00:23:43.960 but it would make for a long season for me 526 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.440 if I kind of knew that I had nobody to 527 00:23:46.519 --> 00:23:48.880 really come in and make it happen. And you don't 528 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:51.559 want to think about the next year when you're sitting there. 529 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.720 So it had to be really, really tough because he's 530 00:23:55.759 --> 00:24:00.319 done so well and kind of has control of things, 531 00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:04.119 and that's football coaches are all coaches are control flaps, 532 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:08.200 and things were out of its control and that's not 533 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.119 a pleasant thing for a coach like. 534 00:24:10.079 --> 00:24:13.920 That, what are the characteristics that make I mean, your 535 00:24:14.119 --> 00:24:16.880 hiring record, and I'm not buttering you up, sure, but 536 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:20.880 your hiring record was very good, both on the football 537 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:22.839 and basketball side and other sports as well, you know, 538 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:26.799 the Red Rocks obviously. So when it comes to the 539 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.720 process of looking for the right person to lead a 540 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.599 program of football, basketball, gymnastics, whatever it is, what are 541 00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:34.400 those traits? 542 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:38.400 Well, for me, you know, it's most of the really 543 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:42.160 good coaches we had very smart, you know, and you 544 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:43.839 know people might think you just roll the ball out 545 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:45.839 and play and that's not the case. How to build 546 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:48.599 a team, how to get kids to play together, you know, 547 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.160 that's important. And for me personally, it was where somebody 548 00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:54.359 had the chance to put the pederalal metal. That was 549 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.119 a mark in their career. They knew if they did 550 00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.640 well at Utah they'd either could run it out or 551 00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:02.799 they can had a bigger job, you know. So I 552 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:06.519 like the people that were doing well, but they were 553 00:25:06.559 --> 00:25:08.799 just ready and this was their mark, you know. So 554 00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.000 I think they have to be smart, you know, they 555 00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:14.200 have to be around winning too. That you know, that's 556 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.559 not obvious, but that is obvious. But I think the 557 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.839 qualities are the personal qualities in this day and age, 558 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:25.359 how to interact with people. You know, obviously team, but 559 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.640 I think it's also I kept thinking in my mind 560 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.519 and maybe that's because what Chase Peterson told me about 561 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.359 when he hired me when I was just a kid. 562 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:35.720 That it wasn't your make or break for you right now. 563 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:39.240 I mean, if Kyle didn't do well, I mean, you know, 564 00:25:39.480 --> 00:25:42.519 and there's no slowing down for a guy like that. 565 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:44.880 You know, he's just after this is his deal and 566 00:25:44.920 --> 00:25:45.680 he made it happen. 567 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.119 Yeah, yeah, what did you Let's go back for a 568 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:49.480 little bit. 569 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:50.880 What did you see in urban. 570 00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:56.359 Well, I knew a lot of knew some things about him, 571 00:25:56.400 --> 00:26:00.200 and also there's there's other people you talk to, and 572 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.279 and you know, it's interesting thing when a staff gets 573 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.920 fired or moves on and they keep a guy that 574 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:08.480 says something. And at Colorado State they kept him. Ye, well, 575 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:10.359 because he was the best recruiter. He was this, he 576 00:26:10.480 --> 00:26:13.279 was that, you know when I met him, he was 577 00:26:13.880 --> 00:26:19.319 so enthusiastic, was organized as all hell, was a disciplinarian, 578 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:21.359 and he had the guts of a burglar. 579 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:22.200 You know. 580 00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:28.039 So, uh, I think he could do and we needed juice. 581 00:26:28.400 --> 00:26:30.640 We needed juice, and he was not afraid of doing that. 582 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.680 And he wasn't afraid of anything, you know. And you know, 583 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:36.799 he was fortunate enough to get Kylon. But when I 584 00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:38.680 looked at him, and I'm not a genius, it's always 585 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:41.440 a crapshoot. I tell people, you know, you hire ten people, 586 00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.680 if you're right seven times, that's a hell of a job. 587 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:45.839 Of course, go to recruiting the same thing. Got an 588 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:47.720 eighteen year old guy, you're right seven out of ten, 589 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.799 that's crazy. But he had those quites so organized, so enthusiastic, 590 00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:56.920 very bright, you know, and this was really his mark. 591 00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:58.839 And you know, I told him when we hired him, 592 00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:00.519 I got it. You know, try to go on to you, 593 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:02.359 but you hit the greatest, the greats, We'll give you 594 00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.200 a hug and becush you goodbye, and no, we'll be better. 595 00:27:04.880 --> 00:27:07.240 So you know, all those things ended up and I 596 00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:08.920 enjoined it personally. I think we got the best of 597 00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:10.359 urban What. 598 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:10.759 Was it like? 599 00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:13.720 And I have a little bit of experience that with 600 00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:17.599 this through the prism of my father's career. The best 601 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.880 example was learning pat Riley away from NBC to coach 602 00:27:21.920 --> 00:27:24.480 the Knicks, and there were a lot of questions about 603 00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:27.200 whether or not pat had the juice left that he 604 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:31.200 had in La, And it became really apparent very quickly 605 00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.359 that he did. And it's funny as you're describing your 606 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:35.559 Urban Meyer, pat Riley is coming in my mind. Sure 607 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.920 organized guts of a burglar, which is a great line. 608 00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.240 You know, didn't take anything from anybody, knew exactly what 609 00:27:42.319 --> 00:27:44.000 he wanted and knew how to communicate that. 610 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:44.839 With his players. 611 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:49.240 What was it like to watch your decision to hire Urban? 612 00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.519 Because I say this all the time, Coach Mac deserves 613 00:27:51.559 --> 00:27:54.839 credit for laying the foundation. Urban built the mansion, and 614 00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.599 then Kyle expanded it right. So, sitting back and watching 615 00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:02.880 that two year peer in Utah football, that doctor Hall 616 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:05.119 changed the landscape of everything around here? What was it 617 00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.759 like to sit back and watch your decision manifest itself 618 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:08.319 the way it did? 619 00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.039 Oh? It was you know, it was great. I mean 620 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.839 I got off the hook a lot quicker, you know. 621 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:17.119 I mean, when you let somebody go and you hire somebody, 622 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:20.680 they're two different decisions, but they're inextricably linked. 623 00:28:21.160 --> 00:28:21.359 You know. 624 00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.640 So if the new guy comes in and wins right away, 625 00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:26.000 all of a sudden, you're a smart guy. Yeah, if 626 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:27.960 it takes two or three years, you're getting beat up for. 627 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:29.039 Two or three years. 628 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.200 So he got me off the hook pretty quick, and 629 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.480 you enjoyed our our favorite game, which we thought was 630 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.599 a turning point. We both agreed upon this independently. Was 631 00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.440 his first year, and when they played cow third game 632 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:46.200 of the year, packed house, We go down the field perfectly, 633 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:50.440 Alex scores and a place goes crazy, and Urban's out 634 00:28:50.440 --> 00:28:53.119 in the crowd after that, and the town and you know, 635 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:55.839 whipping people up, and we win the league and then 636 00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:56.920 it's like Nirvana. 637 00:28:57.839 --> 00:29:03.160 How much off field credit deserving get for the creation 638 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:05.960 of Because the musk wasn't a thing when I was 639 00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:10.000 in school. The student section was barely a thing when 640 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.279 I was in school, And so every time I'm up 641 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:14.519 there for a home game, I take none of it 642 00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:16.480 for granted. I turn around to look at the musk, 643 00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:19.200 like this is wild to me. Still, Yeah, I haven't 644 00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:22.400 been in school, you know, twenty for twenty five, twenty 645 00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:23.000 six years now. 646 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:24.960 It's just everything is different. 647 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.920 And it felt like there was the on field tangible 648 00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.960 stuff that we all saw the winning Alex the number 649 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:35.400 one pick in the NFL draft. We all could see 650 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.119 that but as far as the endeavors off the field 651 00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.960 to create the culture that still permeates today. 652 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:42.480 How much credit deserving. 653 00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:44.200 Get for that? Well, he gets a lot. He tireless, 654 00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:47.480 you know, tireless. And you know, we all know this. 655 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.160 You know, we won, and we won in a big way. 656 00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:54.079 We were exciting. But he was fired up all the time. 657 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.599 You know, I knew that I'd win a discussion with him. 658 00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.240 I I just was fired up about whatever he was doing. Chris, 659 00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:00.960 we got to do it. Yeah, yeah, and we may 660 00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.400 not have done it, but still, you know, so I 661 00:30:03.400 --> 00:30:05.359 think he deserves a lot of credit. A lot of people, 662 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:08.200 which rightfully so worked hard at getting the Musco. But 663 00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:11.240 let's be honest, he got it on fire and then 664 00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:14.400 it's continued. But he he you know, the winning he 665 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.599 won Saint Urban. As time goes on, but you know 666 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:21.759 when he was here, it happened. Yeah, and you can't 667 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:22.200 deny it. 668 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.160 And Frank Layden, who passed recently at the age of 669 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:26.960 ninety three, had this great saying. 670 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:29.759 He said, winning cures a myriad of sense. Yes it does. 671 00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.519 Frank always used to say that, So winning is the 672 00:30:31.559 --> 00:30:34.039 secrets I speaking of which, while we're in this space, 673 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:36.680 I would imagine you had several interactions with Frank over 674 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:37.039 the years. 675 00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:38.519 Oh yeah, I'm glad. You know. 676 00:30:38.559 --> 00:30:41.400 We were on our trip and Frank and I two 677 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.880 wise guy East Coast guys, gostlers, you know, and he 678 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.079 and I would get together early on about once a 679 00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.039 month at the one of the coffee shops right near 680 00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.039 to the university and just solve all the world's problems. 681 00:30:55.079 --> 00:30:57.000 He would kind of do that with me and whatever. 682 00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.519 And as time went on, it was kind of fun 683 00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:01.240 for me to have him. After as he retired and 684 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:04.480 getting older, we'd still do the same thing. And you know, 685 00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:08.680 I got everybody. Everybody was a mentor by Frank. You know, 686 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:10.400 there's like if I lined up and said I was 687 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.720 he was my mentor, they'd say, yeah, here's thirty seven 688 00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:14.839 hundred guys that he was a mentor. It gives me 689 00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:19.039 chills thinking about him. But you know, he got He 690 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:21.880 had every one of his faculties. But people I wish 691 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:26.039 understood that are you know younger, what he did for 692 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:29.559 the city, what he made it good. He taught me 693 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.960 one of the best things ever. He said, it takes 694 00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.519 a lot less energy to be good to people than 695 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.039 to be me. And I never forgot Denny, and he 696 00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.160 taught me a lot of things. But you know, I'm 697 00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.240 glad you asked me because I wasn't here when it 698 00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:47.599 all happened. I mean I spent time visiting the hospital 699 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.680 and everything. So it was fun when we used to 700 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:51.720 meet with those things and Barbara and was really good 701 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.519 with Kathy, and we went out at dinner once in 702 00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.400 a while. I love the coffee session, and of course 703 00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:59.839 I'd be there and they go, here's Frank Layton. I'm going, hey, 704 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:03.200 what about me, I'm somebody too. Nah, that was Frank Layton. 705 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:05.519 I was just his I was just his boy, carrying 706 00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.799 his coffee around. So I'm glad you bring it up. 707 00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:10.519 I mean, who doesn't like Frank find somebody? 708 00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:10.920 Yeah? 709 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.440 Yeah, no, it's uh. He was almost like a second father. 710 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.799 So I did an entire show dedicated to him. We 711 00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:17.839 had Coach Mac hop on. 712 00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:18.319 Yeah. 713 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:22.319 Coach Mack was actually in Hawaii, uh, doing a football camp, 714 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.079 and Richard Smith had texted him saying, Spence is doing 715 00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:27.000 a show about Frank today, and Max said, when can 716 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:27.480 I hop on? 717 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.160 And when Max says can I hop on? You say yes? 718 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.079 Obviously, So he hopped on and Obviously, Frank's spirit will 719 00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:38.279 continue to permeate throughout the the marketplace. And it is 720 00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:42.079 interesting to consider both of you growing up back east 721 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.839 in the Tri State area and landing here and making 722 00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:45.240 it home. 723 00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:47.960 Yeah, I mean it was Frank's home, and you know, 724 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.039 he had chances of going the same with me, and 725 00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:53.960 people would say, well, you're so loyal. Well, it's a 726 00:32:54.079 --> 00:32:56.599 nice place to be. I got good people, I can win. 727 00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:58.880 I mean, yeah, I guess I'm loyal, but not really. 728 00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.799 It was a good job. I got paid, right, that 729 00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.279 was it, you know, And I just happened to like 730 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.960 living here. Was like Frank was kind of was so 731 00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:10.039 interesting that way for me because I thought he validated 732 00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.799 here's a guy from the you know, New York and 733 00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.480 he loved it here and we had the accents. I 734 00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:18.359 tease him that he still kept his accent. I said, 735 00:33:18.559 --> 00:33:20.519 for sure, I said, who are you talking about? Man 736 00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.960 a couple of coffee, I could do that too, you know. 737 00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.400 But anyway, but he was great. I'm glad. I'm so 738 00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.319 glad you mentioned it. Not you know, everybody loves Frank. 739 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:29.720 Sure. 740 00:33:30.079 --> 00:33:32.000 It's just like I was going to write a letter 741 00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:34.599 to the editor that I said finally we have some 742 00:33:34.720 --> 00:33:38.200 nonpartisan things in the states. Yeah, you know, we got 743 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.359 one guy that you know whatever. So anyway, thank you 744 00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:41.799 for sure. 745 00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.599 Yeah, the East Coast came out on him when he 746 00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.200 was fired up. You know, if there's something that got 747 00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.119 under his skin, then he went full like Brooklyn. You know, 748 00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:53.079 I wish I was enjoyed speaking of letter to the 749 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.200 editor The Tribune today with an interesting piece about the 750 00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:01.039 nil and economic endeavors of Brigham Young. Keep up with 751 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:05.839 the sure other football programs, basketball programs across the landscape 752 00:34:05.839 --> 00:34:09.480 of college athletics. I've never fully understood why there's this 753 00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:14.840 clandestine cloak that they use to cover their NIL endeavors. 754 00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.360 Like we have the reports. We know what you're paying 755 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:20.119 these players. You're paying them an exorbitant amount of money. 756 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:22.039 Kevin Young is one of the highest paid coaches in 757 00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.679 the Big twelve. Klinie got a new extension. I don't 758 00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:28.599 understand why the messaging isn't more authentic and honest about 759 00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.400 what they're doing, because there's nothing wrong with what they're doing. 760 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.039 Oh no, no, no, have I talked to you since 761 00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:34.360 I played golf with Tomhomo? 762 00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:35.159 You have not? Oh? 763 00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.320 Okay, So I texted them after because a lot of 764 00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.559 people don't know we used to sit together at meetings 765 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.519 and we had so much more in common in people. Sure, 766 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.440 you know, I had my rough spots, but so I said, 767 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.519 I'm gonna take you out to golf when you want to. 768 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.440 And this was just when the thing happened with their quarterback, 769 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:52.639 and then we talked about a lot of that stuff, 770 00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:55.280 and he says, now, I got somebody that wants to 771 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.400 give X million dollars and the people at you know, uncomfortable, 772 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.519 you know, in the board of trustees the LDS church. 773 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:05.360 And he's saying, so you only take this guy that's 774 00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:09.920 worth billions and contributing ten percent here, and I'm going 775 00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.559 to tell him no, you know. So it's kind of like, 776 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.159 you what do you do if people have that passion? 777 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:18.639 You know, you do it? And you know what the 778 00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:20.559 numbers are. I don't pay attention to it, but I 779 00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:23.840 know they're big. But you know, there's no shame, just 780 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:25.519 do it, and that's okay. 781 00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.519 Yeah, yeah, And you know, it does feel like there's 782 00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:31.599 a messaging issue when it comes to the following, which 783 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.800 is we all understand that the church is not writing 784 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:37.079 these checks. These are alumni, right, these are boosters. But 785 00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.440 even with that caveat, even with that disclaimer, there appears 786 00:35:40.440 --> 00:35:43.000 to be a big portion of the culture and the 787 00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:46.519 fan base that's really uncomfortable. And maybe it's just steeped 788 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.440 in the fact that we're all used to this being 789 00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.679 amateur right in college athletics, and this is new for 790 00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.960 all of us. But I just don't understand why the 791 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.400 refusal to say the thing out loud seems to exist 792 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.800 down there's no they want the b YU experience. Guess 793 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.119 what aj Debonsa did not want the b YU experience. 794 00:36:04.119 --> 00:36:06.320 He took five million dollars. Okay, I can agree with 795 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.079 you now. I couldn't like ten years ago, but I 796 00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:08.880 can agree with you now. 797 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:09.199 Yeah. 798 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.320 I mean, I'm not saying they didn't treat them well. 799 00:36:11.400 --> 00:36:12.960 He's not gonna have a great time and have friends. 800 00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:15.519 Kevin's a good coach. Yeah, yeah, so they'll be fine. 801 00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:18.159 But you know, you wonder where a little bit is 802 00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:21.480 you know, if we're if we don't spend quite much 803 00:36:21.519 --> 00:36:23.519 money as the other school, we're a little more pure, 804 00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.440 or we're you know, I don't know, I'm guessing, but 805 00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.840 you know, people want to be the they don't want 806 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.159 to be Texas and Alabama, but they want to be 807 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.559 Texas in Alabama, right, So it's kind of like you 808 00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:36.960 can't have it both ways. And you know, I just 809 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.920 think they just got admit it going and do what 810 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:40.719 they can do. 811 00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.639 Do you think this new era of college athletics would 812 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.360 have been something that would have juiced you up if 813 00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:48.880 you were in that seat, or something that would have 814 00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:50.559 brought tremendous challengers or maybe a bit. 815 00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:51.880 Of both, a bit of both. 816 00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:53.800 I mean, you know, when you're in the chair, you 817 00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:56.719 do whatever you have to do legally to win. I mean, 818 00:36:56.760 --> 00:36:59.440 you know, but some of it I got in a 819 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.400 while ago, a long time ago, and you know, you 820 00:37:02.880 --> 00:37:05.039 got to feel a little bit more like you were 821 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:07.880 close to the school and close to the players. And 822 00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.159 you know, I was telling somebody the other day, they're 823 00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:13.559 worried about it, especially in basketball that you know, it's 824 00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:15.239 not the NBA, so you don't go to see the 825 00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.800 greatest players ever, you know, but you fall in love 826 00:37:17.840 --> 00:37:19.960 with a freshman and he's coming back next year, and 827 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:22.320 all there's mom said's over there, and you know what 828 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:25.199 would our experience be without Andre? 829 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:26.000 For four years? 830 00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.559 Falling in love with him and you're buy season tickets 831 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.679 and he's here and he's that. Now I'm not I 832 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:33.440 understand intellectually why it's all happened, But if you ask me, 833 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.079 I said that that wouldn't have been much fun, you know, 834 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.199 because you really can't get attached to people. I got 835 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.039 to know, you know, Alex's mom and dad got to 836 00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:43.320 know them. I mean, he passed, but we knew them, 837 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:46.320 and it was just fun, you know. So there was 838 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.360 a combination of fun and whatever came down the pipe 839 00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.239 and you had but you had to just so maybe 840 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.559 maybe wouldn't have been as enthusiastic about it by any means, 841 00:37:56.840 --> 00:37:58.880 but you just would have had to, you know. But 842 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.679 you know, and there's people that are like thirty years 843 00:38:01.679 --> 00:38:03.400 and thirty years old in the business and they don't 844 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.400 see anything else. So they're in the business for that, 845 00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.360 so God bless them too. But it was just not 846 00:38:09.440 --> 00:38:14.000 it was just losing players that you like, you know, 847 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:17.960 and that is difficult, you know, but you can't. I mean, 848 00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:19.119 if it's money, it's money. 849 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.039 Well, and you know, I hate to beat this over 850 00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:26.000 the head. I'm looking something up real quick. I just 851 00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:30.599 because to your point about familiarity with players, it's one 852 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:33.440 of the things that has always been in Now in 853 00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.840 the pros, it's kind of the same deal where these 854 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.440 days there's more player movement in the NBA that there 855 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.519 used to be. And certainly we got spoiled with John 856 00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:45.280 and Carl and Frank and Terry. Sure, but one of 857 00:38:45.320 --> 00:38:49.360 the nice things about, you know, college athletics is getting 858 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:51.960 to know these young people to play at the school. 859 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.480 And if they're transferring every year, it makes it hard 860 00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:57.840 to a build a program. Like if I'm a college 861 00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:00.440 coach these days, and if I don't have tex Tech 862 00:39:00.760 --> 00:39:03.960 money or t Boon Pickens or whatever it is, I'm 863 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:05.599 not even sure I'd want to stay in the endeavor 864 00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:06.800 because you can't even keep up. 865 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.440 But do you think at least a little bit. And 866 00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:12.119 I'm sure my listeners are so sick of this. 867 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.159 I said this years ago, like, Okay, if this is 868 00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:17.920 where we're going, we need to lean into it. Yes, 869 00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:20.559 and we need to allow these players to unionize and 870 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.559 collectively bargain, which I know brings a myriad of challenges, 871 00:39:24.159 --> 00:39:26.039 but if we can get some sort of agreement, and 872 00:39:26.239 --> 00:39:28.760 in this area, I'm mostly talking about football, I think 873 00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.280 there's space for basketball, but football, of course drives the 874 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:33.760 whole thing because if you get in, Look, there are 875 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:35.840 so many powerful lawyers that would love to take this 876 00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:38.679 endeavor on the best business if you're an attorney right 877 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:41.440 now is being on the other side of the NCAA everything. 878 00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:43.519 Right, there's a name there, a lawyer, and I wish 879 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.119 I could bring back his name, but he's been making 880 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:46.440 money for fifteen to twenty years. 881 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:47.960 Sure on this whole deal. Sure. 882 00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.039 Whenever I hear people say, well, they wouldn't be able 883 00:39:50.079 --> 00:39:51.599 to figure it out, I say, yeah, they would. These 884 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:54.000 lawyers would step up to the plate and line up 885 00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.159 for this opportunity because if you can collectively bargain and 886 00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.760 come up with sipulations and guidelines. 887 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:01.719 Players signed contracts and. 888 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:03.800 You say, okay, you're here for two to three years, right, 889 00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:08.280 Sure that and that at least eliminates the whole nefarious 890 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:10.119 I'm not playing or I don't like my coach, so 891 00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.320 I'm and you can you know, if you're an NFL 892 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.079 guy and you get a feedback in the off season 893 00:40:16.119 --> 00:40:18.480 from the pros that you're a first round scout, Okay, 894 00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.039 exercise your third year option, go to the league, but 895 00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.559 as long as you're in college, you're here. 896 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:26.159 Well yeah, and for me, one of the things are 897 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:31.519 frustrating both about you know, universities moving very slow, you know, 898 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.239 and and athletics is an emergency business. You know, your 899 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:36.599 quarterback has a need problem. I'm sorry, you're going to 900 00:40:36.639 --> 00:40:39.880 get the MRI this afternoon, and Joey juke Bops is 901 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:41.320 not going to be able to get in right away, right, 902 00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:44.719 And so it's an emergency business. It's something that happens fast. 903 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:47.840 But I get tired of, like we all know where 904 00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.920 we need to be, all right. They're employees now, okay, 905 00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.960 now they meet you, and I can argue about that. 906 00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:54.239 They need to be students. 907 00:40:54.519 --> 00:40:57.000 And because I've seen too many and I know everybody 908 00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:59.719 in the radio now is rolling their eyes, but I've 909 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:03.679 seen too many students that and players that were great players, 910 00:41:03.880 --> 00:41:05.880 even those who went to the NBA, I mean NFL. 911 00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:07.679 They didn't have the money when they left, or they 912 00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:10.559 it's gone. Everybody thinks a million dollars is like the 913 00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:12.280 end of your world and you can live till seventy 914 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.320 five with that. No no, no, no no. As soon 915 00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.360 as you don't work, it's out the window. But you know, 916 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:21.079 for me, I just wish they'd say they're student workers. 917 00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:25.119 Or football workers and collect the bargaining. That's where we 918 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:25.480 need to be. 919 00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:26.000 We all know that. 920 00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.480 And they need contracts that they have contracts, then they 921 00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:33.039 have security too. You know, if you get a contract, 922 00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.280 you come in and you know you're really not what 923 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.519 the coach expected. They've got to pay your tradere Yeah, 924 00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.559 you know. And so I think there's benefits all the 925 00:41:41.559 --> 00:41:44.679 way around. And you know, I don't know enough about 926 00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:47.039 the NFL money with the players, but I'm sure they 927 00:41:47.079 --> 00:41:49.320 do a lot of They do do a lot of commercials. 928 00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:52.719 I see them, but they seem legit. I don't know. 929 00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.400 I mean, so I don't get why we can't at 930 00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.119 least understand where we are and then figure out how 931 00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.000 to get there, to put roadblocks in the way before 932 00:42:02.039 --> 00:42:05.400 we Okay, do we all agree this, Yes, we agree this. Okay, 933 00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.280 that's what we agree, right, Okay, now we can start 934 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.000 doing things. Yeah, but don't have these Oh well, they 935 00:42:11.039 --> 00:42:13.360 can't do this because it is and no, if we 936 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.360 all agree this is where we need to be, put that. 937 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:18.559 In a bank and try to get there. Yeah. 938 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:22.559 Not, you know, I was gonna say no, not mess 939 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:25.360 around and do it, you know, just get it done. 940 00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.840 But university has moved very slowly, and you know, university presidence. 941 00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:30.920 I want to pick on them, but you know you 942 00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:34.920 got to you know, chemistry professor, you know, being a 943 00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:38.880 president has you know, billions of budget and they don't 944 00:42:38.880 --> 00:42:40.760 have experience in athletics. 945 00:42:40.199 --> 00:42:43.880 Which is just athletics is a weird part of the university. 946 00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.639 Do you feel like and we'll catch a break because 947 00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:49.199 I do want to talk a little basketball coming up. 948 00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:54.639 On the other side, I've always sensed and you obviously 949 00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:55.679 have first had experience. 950 00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.199 I don't know if jealousy is the right term. They're 951 00:42:58.280 --> 00:42:58.800 just friction. 952 00:42:58.960 --> 00:43:01.639 I'll use the term friction in between academia and athletics 953 00:43:01.639 --> 00:43:02.840 states institutions. 954 00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.360 Yeah, there's that. Yeah, there's three types. 955 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:08.760 There's the ones that really really like you and sometimes 956 00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:11.320 that's not healthy in a way. Then there's the ones 957 00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:15.599 in between that accept it, understand it and don't whine 958 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.840 about it. And then there's a group that just can't 959 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:18.199 stand you. 960 00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:18.480 Yeah. 961 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:20.760 I always told everybody, well, CAYL. Berkeley's is seventy five 962 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:23.679 percent can't stand you. But we had a kind of 963 00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:25.880 that's how it is. And you know there are people 964 00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:29.360 that just don't like it, and you know they talk 965 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:32.480 about the academic stuff and all this, and I said, well, 966 00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.559 wait a minute, don't don't call the office and say 967 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:38.000 this player cheated, just flunk them like anybody else. 968 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.599 Oh, I don't know if I can do that, you know. 969 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:41.840 And so it gets kind of to the point where 970 00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:44.679 you understand where one group is, you're not going to 971 00:43:44.840 --> 00:43:47.599 change it, and you just have to kind of gut 972 00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:48.559 it up and get through that. 973 00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:50.119 The ones in the middle are the ones that can 974 00:43:50.159 --> 00:43:51.639 hold you accountable. Yep, you know. 975 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:54.559 They're the ones that are care enough to hold you accountable. 976 00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.320 Understand when we got into pect well what it meant 977 00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.719 to their pool of applicants they could have for Professor 978 00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.920 Ja and all that. And the ones on the other 979 00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:03.639 then were the ones just scare me a little bit too, 980 00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:05.440 because I'm thinking, oh, they're going to give these players 981 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:07.519 favors and I'm not going to do that. Yeah, oh 982 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:11.440 my god. So you know so that that's my experience. Yeah, yeah, 983 00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.199 it's real. And to your point, there are several layers. 984 00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:17.000 Certainly with the public you know, public institution like the 985 00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:19.519 University of Utah b YU operates a little bit differently 986 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:22.440 because they're privately owned. I just think the issues that 987 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.360 everybody brings up. I think it's a smoke screen and 988 00:44:25.400 --> 00:44:27.880 a distraction from where we need land to make sure 989 00:44:28.039 --> 00:44:30.920 that these sports continue to be the types of products 990 00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:31.400 that we want. 991 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:31.760 Yeah. 992 00:44:31.840 --> 00:44:35.119 Yeah, I think we just got to accept where it's going, 993 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:37.320 you know, and get there. 994 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.440 Yeah. I mean that's all you can do now, I'm 995 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:40.679 with you. 996 00:44:40.960 --> 00:44:43.440 Yeah, And you know, and we do have to take 997 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.159 a look at how we're spending our money and all 998 00:44:45.199 --> 00:44:46.559 that stuff, and we could be smarter. 999 00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:50.360 Sure, I mean I don't want to. You know, Greg 1000 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:51.480 Mars and I used to talk about it. 1001 00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.920 Now, you can have twenty people on gymnastics team, why 1002 00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.360 you're going to have you know, eight spoiled kids are 1003 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.039 going to be mom and dad are going to be 1004 00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:02.480 let the coach like Crease. 1005 00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:04.800 Yeah, you know. So there in football, did they really 1006 00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:07.880 need one hundred and five people? Yeah? When fifty three 1007 00:45:07.960 --> 00:45:10.840 play a game, that's the efforts. Yeah, that's fair point. 1008 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:11.519 All right. 1009 00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.199 We're gonna be joined by Bill Riley today to voice 1010 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.320 of the util stop by Elliott Fall later on. But we 1011 00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:18.679 got one more segment with doctor Hill. One of my 1012 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:21.400 favorite guests live in studio, that is doctor Chris Hill. 1013 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.920 It is a mediocre. Pleasure to have Bill Riley on 1014 00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:28.559 the show. Coming up at three point thirty today, Kitty Ryles, 1015 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:31.079 we love you, Bud Elliott Fall rolls by later on 1016 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:34.159 Week three of the NFL preseason. In the books, we 1017 00:45:34.239 --> 00:45:36.280 are less than two weeks away for kickoff for the 1018 00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:39.559 University of Utah Week zero this week including a game 1019 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:43.199 in Dublin, so that should be fun, Doctor Hill. 1020 00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:45.480 Alex Jensen's first year. 1021 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.400 As head coach of the Utah men's basketball program. 1022 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.519 I'm a big al guy. Oh yeah, you know, have 1023 00:45:50.599 --> 00:45:51.360 been for years. 1024 00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:53.840 Got to know him really well when he was with 1025 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:55.880 the Jazz when I and I was over there, he 1026 00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.400 was Quinn's lead assistant. 1027 00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:59.760 I always thought he would be an NBA head coach. 1028 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:02.760 I don't know how much of his decision to take 1029 00:46:02.760 --> 00:46:05.920 the Utah job was colored in the calculation he did 1030 00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.199 and maybe came to the conclusion like, if I was 1031 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:09.719 going to be an NBA coach, I would have had 1032 00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:13.840 an offer by now. First time around, when Larry was fired, 1033 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:16.800 Larry Skoviak, who was always good to me and I 1034 00:46:16.840 --> 00:46:19.559 really liked as well, I thought they'd land on him, 1035 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.079 and they landed on Craig, who's a really nice guy 1036 00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:23.920 and a really good coach. Hopefully he lands on his 1037 00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.760 feet somewhere else. But you know, al well, I continued 1038 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:30.760 just to temper expectations because this conference is such a bear, 1039 00:46:31.320 --> 00:46:33.480 and I think the Utah Athletic Department has some work 1040 00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:35.199 to do to keep up with the Joneses to give 1041 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:37.639 out the supporting needs. But what are you expecting year 1042 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.159 one for out? 1043 00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:44.199 I expect that he'll have some good players because he 1044 00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:47.440 was very strategic about how he was recruiting guys. And 1045 00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.320 when I was in the I told you Ara, when 1046 00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:52.000 I had lunch with him, when he just I was 1047 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.079 on my bike and he said, let's go eat, and 1048 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:56.159 some of the guys were coming in, and I liked 1049 00:46:56.199 --> 00:47:00.679 him looking at him, and I really appreciate him keeping 1050 00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:03.960 the dogs kid. I thought he was the player, you know. 1051 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:06.800 So you know, I don't know what kind of players have. 1052 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.880 It's so hard with guys like we had at Utah, 1053 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.599 like Rick and Kyle and Urban and you know, all 1054 00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:19.599 those coaches could coach him, and Alex can coach him. Yeah, 1055 00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:21.360 now he's got to keep him. As we talked fifteen 1056 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:24.559 to twenty minutes ago. But I'm a little blind with 1057 00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:27.000 Alex you know. I mean, I told him when I 1058 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.679 saw him, I said, the only thing you're missing is 1059 00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:33.360 most coaches are rugged on the administration or on a 1060 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:35.840 lot of people, and you're not nasty enough. So you've 1061 00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:38.599 got to find somebody that's going to push him, because 1062 00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.440 you've got to push him. That's just natural tension between 1063 00:47:41.440 --> 00:47:42.800 coaches and administrations. 1064 00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:43.679 So you know. 1065 00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:45.920 But he just laughed and I said, no, but he's 1066 00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:49.239 a long story short. I just can't really see straight 1067 00:47:49.239 --> 00:47:50.800 because I like him so much and I think he's 1068 00:47:50.800 --> 00:47:53.360 got all the qualities. And we called him Saint Alex. 1069 00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:53.920 Yeah. 1070 00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.440 Yeah, And that's the thing because the coaching pedigree is there. 1071 00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.320 He was a g lead coach of the Year. I 1072 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.440 watched him. I'm telling you, and Dennis Lindsay, the Utah 1073 00:48:03.519 --> 00:48:06.760 Jazz general manager, the piece together the team that Alex 1074 00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:12.000 and Quinn coached. When Rudy Gobert was at the NBA 1075 00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:16.440 Draft combine, Dennis on my show said he was treated 1076 00:48:16.519 --> 00:48:19.159 like a circus clown. No one knew what to do 1077 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:24.280 with him, and Rudy's rookie year it looked awful. I mean, 1078 00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:26.159 I didn't think he had a chance spend a lot 1079 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:27.920 of time in the G League. I had a front 1080 00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:30.360 row seat watching Alex coach him up. And look, the 1081 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.039 bulk of the credit always goes to the player, but 1082 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.280 the work Alex did with Rudy and then later on 1083 00:48:36.519 --> 00:48:39.800 Walker Kessler's rookie year where he became second Rookie the year, 1084 00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:43.440 voting Dallas Mavericks, Luka, Doncic, Donovan Mitchell. 1085 00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:44.920 He So you know. 1086 00:48:45.079 --> 00:48:47.800 Kevin Young down a BYU was a coach with the Sons, 1087 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:49.679 and so his whole thing is like I coached Devin 1088 00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.800 Booker and Chris Paul and Kevin Durant. Alex has that 1089 00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:57.239 same pedigree. But to your point, most of the successful coaches, 1090 00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.599 at least I know of, have a little bit of, 1091 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:04.599 for lack of a better term, jerk in them, you 1092 00:49:04.639 --> 00:49:05.440 know what I mean, They. 1093 00:49:05.360 --> 00:49:06.679 Just can't do I don't know. 1094 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:09.639 I don't know if I would describe Kyle as a jerk, 1095 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:12.239 but he has bites, he has. 1096 00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:13.480 I said, they got an edge, you know. 1097 00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:16.159 And yes, what our mentor said that every coach breaks 1098 00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:19.800 your heart sometimes I understand that, but you know, and. 1099 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:22.639 You had the ultimate jerk and Rick, who we all love. 1100 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.840 But at the same time, some complications seemed to rise 1101 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:26.760 from time to time. 1102 00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.800 Yeah, it was, but it was when I add it 1103 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.639 all up for sure. Yeah, you add it all up 1104 00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:36.320 and you get someplace. But uh yeah, you know, you 1105 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.960 know more about his teaching with the pros and you 1106 00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:40.880 were there, you watch. I don't profess to do that. 1107 00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:43.880 I talked to have talked to some friends of people 1108 00:49:43.880 --> 00:49:47.079 who knew that and everything. So I can't guarantee did that, 1109 00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:48.719 but I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one 1110 00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:50.840 that helped those guys with the fundamentals and to get this, 1111 00:49:51.239 --> 00:49:55.280 to get that, because he's very measured, you know, he's 1112 00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.719 let's be honest, he's Rick's favorite guy. Yeah, and Alex 1113 00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.880 is dumb, you know, except when he came back from 1114 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.079 his mission and Rick said, oh my gosh, she's pudgy. 1115 00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:08.719 Right now, I think that's a made up story. 1116 00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.440 But you think you have to ask? Alex said, well, 1117 00:50:11.679 --> 00:50:13.159 it's It's really interesting. 1118 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.440 The Rick thing has always fascinated me because for about 1119 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:18.840 six years I did Jazz per Off and Post Game 1120 00:50:18.880 --> 00:50:22.679 with Brittain Britten Johnson. Oh yes, And whether you talk 1121 00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:25.239 to britt or any of the players that were on 1122 00:50:25.320 --> 00:50:28.639 those teams with Rick, they all had the same thing. 1123 00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:30.960 With Alex, which was he was the only one that 1124 00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:34.159 Rick seemed to like genuinely, like you know, like he 1125 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:37.800 was we were all he and Andre Andre and ye 1126 00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:40.599 were like the two guys there were two of Rick's favorites. 1127 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:43.079 And look, I love my guy, Britt, but at times 1128 00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.000 he probably didn't do himself any favors because he's a 1129 00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.480 little bit of a kid at heart, which I love 1130 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:48.679 about him. But what does that say to you that 1131 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.719 Rick seemed to really like and respect Alex as just 1132 00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:54.119 a person, not one of his players. 1133 00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:56.000 I mean he went on coach with them at Saint Louis. 1134 00:50:56.079 --> 00:51:00.000 Yeah, yeah, I you know, it's I think BRIT's right. 1135 00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:01.519 You know what a good guy he is. 1136 00:51:01.559 --> 00:51:03.960 By the way, and his brother Jeff and his parents, 1137 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:06.320 I know his dad was ill, but they I really 1138 00:51:06.400 --> 00:51:08.800 liked them a lot. They were they were fabulous and 1139 00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:10.960 so whatever he sailed to him when you see. 1140 00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.119 But yeah, Rick was rugged. He was. 1141 00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:17.920 He was an equal opportunity rugged guy except for those two, 1142 00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:20.639 you know, so it was what he was. But you know, 1143 00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:24.280 he he he had him define at what their job 1144 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:28.440 was and sometimes people didn't like it. You know, Alex 1145 00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.199 could do the rebound, could shoot, could do that, you know. 1146 00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:33.039 I remember I watched Rick practice one time, and I 1147 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:34.840 won't remember that guy's name, but he was one of 1148 00:51:34.840 --> 00:51:37.840 our scorers early on in the game, early on when 1149 00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:40.920 I was there and I sat a practice, Uh, and 1150 00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:44.920 all of a sudden, our best shooter gives up a shot. Well, 1151 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:48.800 Rick golos Off talking about role playing, Well, you are 1152 00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:52.920 the most selfish, freaking guy on the team. You're terrible, 1153 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:54.880 that's what you think. You're here to play defensive rebound. 1154 00:51:55.199 --> 00:51:57.719 And then he talks about this guy set the screen, 1155 00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.000 this guy did the where and all the kids there 1156 00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.679 getting their role. And I'm convinced to this day he 1157 00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:04.519 was one of the best and nobody could do it 1158 00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.880 his way. But he defined their role. Sometimes that didn't 1159 00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:09.880 like it, Yeah, but they knew if they were going 1160 00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:12.400 to play because that was his other great answer. When 1161 00:52:12.440 --> 00:52:15.000 the NTA Tournament they said, hey, how come your team 1162 00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:16.559 so disciplined the bench? 1163 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.400 That was his answer. That's when he's ever given. Yeah. 1164 00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:21.400 Plus it was shorts. I didn't worry about him going 1165 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:23.000 on and on and saying something would rive to be 1166 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:25.679 crazy anyway, That's that's what we got there. 1167 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.159 Yeah, yeah, do you I can't believe I'm gonna ask 1168 00:52:29.199 --> 00:52:31.360 you this question because I'm quite sure the answer is 1169 00:52:31.360 --> 00:52:34.519 emphatically know, do you see any of Rick and ol 1170 00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:36.840 like the way they approach the game, the way they 1171 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.239 look at the game? Obviously personalities, they could not be different, 1172 00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:42.719 more different, they cannot be more polar opposites. Is there 1173 00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:46.039 anything about Rick that reminds you of Out or or 1174 00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:47.840 anything about Out that they'll remind you of Rick? 1175 00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:49.719 Is what I should say? Well, it'd be hard. 1176 00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:53.280 I think the approach to the game in terms of 1177 00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:56.159 a different, different personality, but you know they have the 1178 00:52:56.199 --> 00:52:58.760 same values in putting a team together. I mean, you know, 1179 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:00.559 I mean the guys that went to pro said the 1180 00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:02.400 best coach say that was Ricked. I mean, even though 1181 00:53:02.440 --> 00:53:06.000 they had some scars on them. But you know, I 1182 00:53:06.039 --> 00:53:09.559 can't imagine now. No, they're not like at all. No, 1183 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:14.000 I'm trying to answer a question, try to put something 1184 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.079 together about similarity. 1185 00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:18.320 But you know, the way they'll teach the game will 1186 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:19.440 be similar. 1187 00:53:20.159 --> 00:53:23.519 So I'm pulling up the Big Twelve here, and last 1188 00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:27.760 year the SEC was the best basketball conference. They you know, 1189 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:32.559 all we have here is prognostications, and this year it 1190 00:53:32.599 --> 00:53:34.039 will either be the SEC or. 1191 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:34.559 The Big twelve. 1192 00:53:34.639 --> 00:53:37.840 So I reference the article that the Trip did on 1193 00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.400 BYU earlier. The average Big twelve roster is projected to 1194 00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:44.039 have cost about twelve to thirteen million dollars this year. 1195 00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:48.360 BYU's projection is over fifteen. That puts them on par 1196 00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:52.440 with Kansas when it comes to the Big twelve landscape. 1197 00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:58.159 So until Alex gets that kind of financial commitment, I 1198 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:01.239 think it's going to be tough to expect right out 1199 00:54:01.239 --> 00:54:04.159 of the gates. What does in your opinion year, what 1200 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.000 does success look like for al you're one of the 1201 00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:06.840 Big twelve. 1202 00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.119 I think finishing in the top half of the league 1203 00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:12.000 be really nice, really nice. I mean, I you know, 1204 00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:14.480 what we think of is that, yeah, there's going to 1205 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.119 be some schools that are ten twelve million dollars, but 1206 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.480 that's not the whole league. Yeah, and you can be 1207 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.599 fourth or fifth in that league and be seated very 1208 00:54:22.639 --> 00:54:26.119 high in the nca tournament. That's a grand slang. Yeah, 1209 00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:27.719 So maybe in a couple of years from now that 1210 00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:29.639 might happen. I mean, I don't know. I mean I 1211 00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:32.519 always think that, you know, they have some schools in 1212 00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:35.679 the league that don't have that same support, you know, 1213 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.159 as the top guys there, so you know he's gonna 1214 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:39.920 have to battle them. But you know, I'm hoping that 1215 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:41.360 if we can get someone in the middle of the 1216 00:54:41.400 --> 00:54:42.840 league this year, that'd be fantastic. 1217 00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:45.920 Yeah, a top five finished year one for ABS. Oh, 1218 00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:47.719 that'd be ridiculous. That'd be crazy. 1219 00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:49.880 And it's hard for me to analyze because I you know, 1220 00:54:50.239 --> 00:54:52.599 I'm out there are several people that do my job 1221 00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:54.960 that will pull up the Utah Rosterbick. Yeah, I watched 1222 00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:57.119 this guy at Southern. No, you didn't stop lying. I 1223 00:54:57.119 --> 00:54:59.920 don't know enough about these plays. You're right about Kian, 1224 00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.039 especially after Craig was let go the final like ten 1225 00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:08.719 games of the season when coach Eilert started Keanu. I 1226 00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:11.159 think he had eight double doubles the final twelve games. 1227 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:13.760 I mean easy, not easy, but not just ten and 1228 00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:14.719 ten right right? 1229 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:18.360 Yeah, an athletic, you know, because this is a different conference, 1230 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:21.400 Like you need athletes. Kansas has is Darren Peterson kid 1231 00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:23.679 that might be the number one pick in the draft 1232 00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:24.199 next year. 1233 00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:27.519 If it's not AJ, I tell you what it just 1234 00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:30.679 made me. I'm sorry I interrupted you. I was just 1235 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:33.840 thinking something that when Al talked about he wanted to 1236 00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:38.039 model some of his program against Houston and that Houston 1237 00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:41.079 is long and defensive, and that reminds me. 1238 00:55:41.360 --> 00:55:44.320 And nasty and they have to be that way. Yeah. 1239 00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:48.199 So anyway, back to your question about by you, I 1240 00:55:48.199 --> 00:55:49.360 think so, you. 1241 00:55:49.320 --> 00:55:52.599 Know, you know b yu as Aj, and then Kansas 1242 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.400 has Darren Peterson, and then there's the Boozer kid who's 1243 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:57.840 going to be a duke. Those are the three players, 1244 00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:01.000 and everybody's talking about the number one overall pick. But 1245 00:56:01.079 --> 00:56:03.800 do you think Al's getting the support that he needs 1246 00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:07.000 in order to build the roster to to stay competitive. 1247 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.800 You know, he's not getting a sup support you mean financially. 1248 00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:17.320 There's billionaires at BYU. Yeah, and so I think people 1249 00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:20.159 are digging as hard as they can, you know, and 1250 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:23.119 I think they're going to be in pretty good shape. 1251 00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.280 But you know, I'm not close of it, and I 1252 00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.199 don't mean to defer anybody else. But for me, I 1253 00:56:28.679 --> 00:56:30.400 don't know what their budget is. I don't know how 1254 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:33.000 much money they have, and that would be totally arrogant 1255 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.679 for me to make something up and act like I do. 1256 00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:36.159 Yeah, No, I understand. 1257 00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:38.599 It just leads to a larger question that we continue 1258 00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.239 to debate on the show because the information I've received 1259 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.519 is that BYU has at least and this is about 1260 00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:45.360 a year old. 1261 00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:47.440 This information is a little bit dated. 1262 00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.519 But last year I was told BYU has nine seven 1263 00:56:50.559 --> 00:56:54.960 figure donors and Utah is too. Yeah, yeah, so your 1264 00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:58.559 connections in the community, does it feel like there's so 1265 00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:01.519 The way I've phrased it, doctor is last year BYU football, 1266 00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.079 excuse me, Utah football had the pressure of being the 1267 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:06.440 team that everybody thought was going to. 1268 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:07.159 Win the conference. 1269 00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.199 I feel like the pressure this year is steeped in 1270 00:57:10.320 --> 00:57:14.119 a community that is wondering whether or not Utah athletics 1271 00:57:14.159 --> 00:57:18.360 has evolved and can keep up with the new reality 1272 00:57:18.400 --> 00:57:21.400 of the sport, and a lot of that is deep pockets. 1273 00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:23.239 Does it feel like in our community up here in 1274 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.440 Salt Lake people have confidence that there's enough money flowing 1275 00:57:26.480 --> 00:57:28.960 through the university athletic department, like there is about forty 1276 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:29.639 miles down south. 1277 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:30.280 Well, I'll tell you what. 1278 00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.800 One of the challenges I always tell nobody really followed 1279 00:57:32.840 --> 00:57:34.920 it much is that, first of all, we have a 1280 00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.800 medical center, So you can have one hundred million dollars 1281 00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.519 to cancer research or a one. 1282 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:41.480 Hundred million dollars to basketball, fair enough. 1283 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.239 So we have that we Also, there are three schools 1284 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.519 in the state that are the top divisions in the West. 1285 00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:49.480 I don't know who else has that but California. And 1286 00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:52.760 there's Colorado, Colorio State, Arizona, Arizona State. Here we got three. 1287 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:53.079 Yeah. 1288 00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:56.280 Sure, so the money gets thin. And not to make light, 1289 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.199 a lot of people give a percentage of their money away. 1290 00:57:59.280 --> 00:57:59.519 Yep. 1291 00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.800 And uh, and we used to tease that when we 1292 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:06.039 played our schedule, we got we got our fans given 1293 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.840 both to air Force into b y U and those. 1294 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.719 So part of it is I think there's uh, some 1295 00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:17.480 challenges inherent in Utah with uh where do you put 1296 00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:18.000 your money? 1297 00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:22.039 You know? And and I don't I don't see us US. 1298 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:25.679 I mean the Union. I'm done us anymore. But there's 1299 00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:28.360 just a lot of money from what I understanding, Silicon 1300 00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:30.679 slopes and when you add up when you divide, I 1301 00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.239 was a Afican. When you divide the billion if if 1302 00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.320 every mile were every inch or a mile, if you're 1303 00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.119 a millionaire, you can go to sand you can go 1304 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.719 to holiday. If you're a billionaire, you can go to Seattle. Okay, 1305 00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:48.000 how's that? Yeah, it does a little bit, a little bit, 1306 00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:51.199 so you know, I mean, it's it's hard when somebody 1307 00:58:51.199 --> 00:58:53.599 can just do that and they can still give to 1308 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:54.559 their other causes. 1309 00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:55.840 Yeah, yeah, now you're right. 1310 00:58:56.000 --> 00:58:59.159 Yeah, you you were the steward over a program, You 1311 00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:02.199 resided over a pro that for a number of different 1312 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.559 years had elite football and elite basketball. And you know, 1313 00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:10.000 there's this conversation that's taking place because I cannot believe, 1314 00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.440 and truly this is steeped in my own experience, and 1315 00:59:13.480 --> 00:59:15.960 we're all, you know, we're all in our own echo chamber. 1316 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:18.519 You know, we all kind of approach this from our 1317 00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:23.079 own prism and the fact that as a student at 1318 00:59:23.199 --> 00:59:25.840 Utah in the nineties that I say into this microphone, 1319 00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:30.280 as of this year, it has been ten years since 1320 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.480 we've made the NCAA Tournament. 1321 00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.320 As a basketball program. That blows my mind. 1322 00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:38.880 And so the conversation has kind of been like, well, 1323 00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:42.000 you know, what's it like to strike that balance to 1324 00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:45.079 make sure your football program and your basketball program are 1325 00:59:45.119 --> 00:59:47.639 receiving the support they need in order to both be elite, 1326 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.480 because schools across the country do it. I think BYU's 1327 00:59:50.519 --> 00:59:53.800 on the precipice, Bama is there. I mean, Bama's basketball 1328 00:59:53.800 --> 00:59:55.840 program is very good, and I could keep going Florida 1329 00:59:55.880 --> 00:59:58.400 won a national championship. They're a top fifteen football team 1330 00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.199 this year. What are the ch challenges of striking that 1331 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:03.679 balance to make sure that you have football and basketball 1332 01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:04.280 top shelf. 1333 01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.440 Yeah, I don't think they're impossible by any means. I mean, 1334 01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:10.199 we were fortunate enough to have that experience on several occasions, 1335 01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:14.320 you know. And you know, with with football, it's it's, well, 1336 01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.639 both sports are really money, money money. But you know, 1337 01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:21.280 if you in basketball that head coach coaches a lot 1338 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.639 and doesn't have as many people around. And in football, 1339 01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:26.960 once you establish it, it feels like it's harder to 1340 01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:30.599 fall apart. Where basketball it's it's difficult to build that 1341 01:00:30.679 --> 01:00:33.880 kind of tradition. And you know, to have a long 1342 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:36.199 standing coaches that helps. You know, you look at that 1343 01:00:36.239 --> 01:00:38.719 and you see who's who's been at school X for 1344 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.920 a long time, and you know that really helps. But 1345 01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:45.039 it's you know, I don't understand why it's so hard. 1346 01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:47.599 You know, because your your community is the same one. 1347 01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:51.400 And maybe now people are more interested because of the 1348 01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:54.440 visibility of football and how big it is and TV 1349 01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.280 and all that that, maybe people are inclined to more 1350 01:00:57.360 --> 01:01:00.719 spend more money on football. You know which they do. 1351 01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:02.840 And that's the way it's always going to be. But 1352 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:05.639 it's hard. But if you get good coaches, I'm still 1353 01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.480 notive enough to think you can get in the tournament, 1354 01:01:07.519 --> 01:01:10.199 win some games, do some damage. Now you might not 1355 01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:12.800 be winning championships, but I mean once you get in 1356 01:01:12.800 --> 01:01:15.480 the NSA tournament, you can win games. You know, as 1357 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:18.480 you all know. And when you talk to the number 1358 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:22.039 one draft choices this year, the guy Cooper fly, Cooper 1359 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:23.960 flag right, Cooper Fly. Yeah, I mean he brought them 1360 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:27.000 to the Promised Land. But how many guys have brought 1361 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.880 their team to Rutgers ma Alma Monter. Those two guys 1362 01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:34.760 didn't bring them to the promises and they had two 1363 01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:38.800 of them, not even so, how many guys have there 1364 01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:40.280 have brought them to the Promised Land? 1365 01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:40.639 Yeah? 1366 01:01:40.960 --> 01:01:42.679 You know, And you look at the number one draft 1367 01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:44.559 choices and you can go through them when you get 1368 01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:47.599 a chance, you'll say, huh, oh they lost in sixteen. Oh, 1369 01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:50.880 the guy at LSU didn't make the NCA tournament, So 1370 01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:53.639 that may be naivel When you only have them for 1371 01:01:53.639 --> 01:01:55.400 five or six months, you've got to hope they're what 1372 01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:57.480 you thought they were. And the guys around them got 1373 01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.440 to do that, and they're gonna be players, not like 1374 01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:02.599 this aj because I understand he's really a solid guy. 1375 01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:05.760 He's yeah kid and a really good player. Yeah, I mean, 1376 01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:08.199 I've heard nothing but good things. So he'll fit in. 1377 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:10.280 Like I said earlier too, he'll fit in great in school. 1378 01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:13.159 But there are guys that want to be that way. 1379 01:02:13.199 --> 01:02:15.039 And I don't know what the Records guy were like, 1380 01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:16.960 but maybe they were like just watching out for their own. 1381 01:02:17.159 --> 01:02:19.239 Yeah, I don't know. I'm not so sure to play 1382 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:20.800 for the Jazz. Yeah, I'm not so sure. 1383 01:02:21.039 --> 01:02:23.119 You know, I want to set the screen for this 1384 01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.920 other guy, but you know I'm gonna I can take 1385 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:28.000 it one on one. So you know, you're going to 1386 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.039 have so many these promise Land guys that don't bring 1387 01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:30.440 him there. 1388 01:02:32.199 --> 01:02:36.360 It might not be mutually exclusive, but did the evolution 1389 01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:40.880 of the football program, you know, coach mac Urban obviously Kyle, 1390 01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:42.280 with the. 1391 01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:44.519 Way the football program kind of shot to the moon? 1392 01:02:44.840 --> 01:02:48.079 Is there anything there as far as the basketball program 1393 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:48.920 going the other way? 1394 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:50.360 Are they related at all? 1395 01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:50.760 That? 1396 01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.920 It was funny though, And I'm glad Rick Rick couldn't 1397 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:56.000 you know, I'm not glad he's gone, But you know, 1398 01:02:56.039 --> 01:02:58.639 when we were hot in the in the in football, 1399 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:02.559 in basketball, the years we siphoned the money off the football. 1400 01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.280 You know, you look at what we didn't have a 1401 01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:07.840 lot of facilities in basketball that were different and everything. 1402 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.079 But that was my deep dark secret with him. But 1403 01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:13.360 you know, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard, yeah, 1404 01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:16.360 and I think if we can, you know, do well 1405 01:03:16.400 --> 01:03:19.039 and people but everywhere I go, people want so bad 1406 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:20.239 for that guy to win. 1407 01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:24.880 For sure. I mean I sound like champion. Maybe not. 1408 01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:27.960 I don't want to seem like I'm in love with Alex, 1409 01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.519 but I just really got optimistic that maybe he can 1410 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.719 build a little bit and get there, you know. But again, 1411 01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.960 everybody thinks he's going to stay forever. Well, he's late forties, right, 1412 01:03:38.039 --> 01:03:41.400 you know that, And you know, I mean, they better 1413 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:43.159 take care of him, does well, and I better start 1414 01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:45.400 supporting him. And I think there are people that are 1415 01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:47.039 I've talked to some people that say, hey, we got 1416 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:49.639 to make sure, you know, we come back. And we 1417 01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.159 talked off air that you know, with John Hunchman Senior 1418 01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:54.559 left that was that was a big deal, you know, 1419 01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:56.559 left him and he passed away because he had a 1420 01:03:56.559 --> 01:03:59.239 lot of juice and he encouraged others to help, So 1421 01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:01.039 I'm hoping they can have some real champions. 1422 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.519 I agree with you, And what's not to like about 1423 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:06.119 al Al's It's like we were talking about Franklyton earlier. 1424 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.480 If you don't like Alex Jensen, it's a you problem. Yeah. 1425 01:04:08.480 --> 01:04:10.559 If you walk around the state and walk around for 1426 01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.039 days and days and days, if you find somebody that 1427 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:17.000 doesn't like Frank or Alex, let me know. Yeah, I'll 1428 01:04:17.039 --> 01:04:18.280 call you in a month and you let me know. 1429 01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:22.480 How's the golf game I've earned my handicaps? 1430 01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:25.039 Not good? All right? I went a lot in my handicap. 1431 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:29.719 No, no, no, no, it's I've got the shortest backswing 1432 01:04:30.119 --> 01:04:30.760 in America. 1433 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.920 That's good. Though I don't practice. That's not good. Doctor. 1434 01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:36.760 I don't want to take a lesson. I'm sick of 1435 01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:40.000 being coached and all that. So I just go out 1436 01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.039 and play so short backswing and one day it's the 1437 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.000 drive works, and the next day you'd stub it. 1438 01:04:45.119 --> 01:04:48.119 Yeah, we know. I practice a lot. I like lessons, 1439 01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:49.079 and that's the same with me. 1440 01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:50.880 See when you practice, I read something the other day, 1441 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:53.159 you don't do it right, you get on it. 1442 01:04:53.199 --> 01:04:53.639 What do you do? 1443 01:04:53.719 --> 01:04:56.039 You get there and hit your wedge twenty in a row. 1444 01:04:56.679 --> 01:04:58.480 Well on a golf course. How many times you do that? 1445 01:04:58.480 --> 01:04:58.920 That's fair? 1446 01:04:59.000 --> 01:05:01.880 So the person said, put you driver there, put your wedge, 1447 01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:05.280 put your eight iron and your sandwich. Hit a drive, 1448 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:08.440 then hit your eight iron, then hit you with the way. 1449 01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:11.800 I'm firing myself. See if you got four in a row. 1450 01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.360 I like it on different clubs. Are you interested in 1451 01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:16.920 giving me lessons? You want to coach me at all? 1452 01:05:17.000 --> 01:05:18.639 I don't want to be a rental lesson. I don't 1453 01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:22.159 want to coach. I just want to play and hang out. 1454 01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:24.519 Well, look, it's always great to say thank you, Frevan, 1455 01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:25.360 thanks so much for the time. 1456 01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:27.440 Okay, we'll get doing it soon. 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Now they back away from now. 1496 01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.599 They bring a safety of four man runs, risk looking surveying, 1497 01:07:16.719 --> 01:07:18.000 throwing down the field and. 1498 01:07:18.039 --> 01:07:22.679 It's intercepted at the forty, at the fifty, at the forty, 1499 01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.199 at the thirty, a convoy to the end. 1500 01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:29.360 Zone and a touchdown. It's a Via Vaughn with a 1501 01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:32.199 pick six and his final game as a ute. 1502 01:07:32.480 --> 01:07:35.519 Zamayah Vaughan was on the field for the Vikings this weekend, 1503 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.000 trying to make the roster as an undrafted free agent. 1504 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:43.599 The man behind that magical call joins us now. The 1505 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:47.639 voice himself a talent I discovered long ago and have 1506 01:07:47.800 --> 01:07:49.840 mentors to this stage in his career. 1507 01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:51.800 Bill Riley, Hello, Ryles, how are you? 1508 01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:58.199 It's the greatest MC in ESPN seven hundred VIP lunch 1509 01:07:58.239 --> 01:07:59.159 and history. How are you? 1510 01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:01.920 Spatt Thank you, sir, because that I think includes two people, 1511 01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:02.800 and that would be me and you. 1512 01:08:02.920 --> 01:08:03.360 Is that right? 1513 01:08:06.119 --> 01:08:08.239 Well, it was great to see you last week. Thanks 1514 01:08:08.239 --> 01:08:10.599 for stopping by. It's always fun to catch up with you. 1515 01:08:10.679 --> 01:08:13.559 And it was great to see Coach mac. Hall of 1516 01:08:13.599 --> 01:08:16.920 Famer coach Mack. Yeah, well deserved excited to watch that 1517 01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:17.439 this year. 1518 01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.239 That'll be fun to see him and Roy Jefferson, a 1519 01:08:21.279 --> 01:08:23.520 couple of Utah legends go up on the Ring of 1520 01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:26.359 Honor with Alex Smith in that game against cal Pauli 1521 01:08:26.399 --> 01:08:26.880 on the sixth? 1522 01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:29.800 Was I considered for the Ring of Honor this year? 1523 01:08:29.960 --> 01:08:30.880 Did my name come up? 1524 01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:34.880 I think that you were in the running for the 1525 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:39.000 Sigma Kai Ring of Honor, but you were not accepted 1526 01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:41.720 this year. I think next year's your final year on 1527 01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:44.199 the ballot, so you better hope that the Veterans Committee 1528 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:44.479 likes you. 1529 01:08:44.800 --> 01:08:47.439 Sadly, I don't think I'll ever be named a significant 1530 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:51.279 SIG despite my great success and leadership in that House. 1531 01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:52.800 But I'll move on from that bill. 1532 01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:57.399 Here's my first question, most intriguing positional battle less than 1533 01:08:57.399 --> 01:08:58.399 two weeks away from. 1534 01:08:58.319 --> 01:09:06.000 Kick most intriguing positional battle, I will say the corner 1535 01:09:06.079 --> 01:09:10.960 spot opposite that of Scooby Davis. I know that Kyle 1536 01:09:11.000 --> 01:09:16.800 Whittingham said that Blake Cotton had had a good camp 1537 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:18.680 and had kind of maybe taken a little bit of 1538 01:09:18.680 --> 01:09:20.880 the lead. But I'm gonna I'm gonna see if that 1539 01:09:21.079 --> 01:09:25.439 holds up over the next twelve days before the UCLA game, 1540 01:09:25.520 --> 01:09:30.000 because I think Cotton, Saunders, and Caldwell of all had 1541 01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.279 really good fall camp. So I would say that's one battle. 1542 01:09:34.079 --> 01:09:37.039 I think the receivers they kind of know who their 1543 01:09:37.079 --> 01:09:40.359 top six or seven guys are. In what order those 1544 01:09:40.359 --> 01:09:43.840 guys fall out spence, I think remains to be seen, 1545 01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:46.479 but I think they know who that group is. But 1546 01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.960 for me, because it is a starting position, it's a 1547 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:52.720 corner that's a starter. That's probably the one I've got 1548 01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:53.119 my eye on. 1549 01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:57.399 Any any thoughts on who the number one wide receiver 1550 01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:59.399 is or maybe one or two. I know you said 1551 01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:01.439 we've got a win and see how it plays out, 1552 01:10:01.479 --> 01:10:03.600 but if do you have a best guess as far 1553 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:04.960 as what that looks like right now? 1554 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:10.239 When I asked Kyle Whittingham about guys. On Saturday at FanFest, 1555 01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:14.600 the first two receivers he mentioned were Tobias Meryweather and 1556 01:10:14.720 --> 01:10:17.800 Larry Simmons. So I don't know if that in his 1557 01:10:18.039 --> 01:10:21.119 mind means those are one and two, But I can 1558 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:23.760 tell you those guys that both had very good fall camps, 1559 01:10:23.840 --> 01:10:27.119 especially considering you know, they weren't really part of everything 1560 01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:30.800 in the spring since they were late rivals. So I 1561 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:33.479 think Zipper, who's been here, has had had some moments. 1562 01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.479 I think Ryan Davis has had some moments too, But 1563 01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.760 based on the comments I got from Kyle Whittingham at FanFest, 1564 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:44.479 kind of sounds like Merriweather and and Simmons have had 1565 01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:46.479 really good falls. So we'll find out. 1566 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:49.880 I'm kind of conflicted because I do think a bell 1567 01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:52.760 cow running back indicate you really love the guy that 1568 01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:57.039 you have, But it does also behoove any program to 1569 01:10:57.079 --> 01:10:59.640 have more than one back that you trust, and you 1570 01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:01.079 need death at every position. 1571 01:11:01.119 --> 01:11:03.279 How's that running back room shaping out? As of now? 1572 01:11:04.439 --> 01:11:06.560 I think they've got a good one in two. Then 1573 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.720 they've got a couple of youngsters behind those guys. After that. 1574 01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:13.439 I think the way Sean Parker and the Kirie Rodgers 1575 01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:17.399 are probably your one and two running backs. Wayshawn had 1576 01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:20.319 great production a year ago at Washington State, and he 1577 01:11:20.359 --> 01:11:22.800 didn't have an offensive line anywhere near what he's got 1578 01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:26.000 this year. And Rodgers obviously was a guy who was 1579 01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:29.199 in the offense with Beck and Dan Pierre last year 1580 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.319 as the number two running back last year, so I 1581 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:35.159 think they feel pretty good about that. Then you've got 1582 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:40.159 guys like Green and Bray and gil Roy as the 1583 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:42.520 backups to those guys. So I think they've got a 1584 01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:46.439 good room. But I don't know that anybody is. I 1585 01:11:46.479 --> 01:11:50.239 just think Spence the days of you know, John White 1586 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:55.640 and DeVante Booker and Zach Moss getting thirty carries a game, 1587 01:11:56.479 --> 01:11:58.720 I think those are days gone by. I think you're 1588 01:11:58.720 --> 01:12:02.800 gonna see guys get, you know, fifteen to seventeen carries 1589 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:05.560 if you're the lead back, maybe catch a few balls too, 1590 01:12:05.720 --> 01:12:08.359 and then the backup running back, the number two guy, 1591 01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:11.720 gets twelve to thirteen to fourteen carries, and then they 1592 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.560 split it after that. Now, maybe I'm wrong, Maybe somehow 1593 01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:17.800 way Shawn Parker becomes that guy, but I think the 1594 01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:20.199 way that and again that was in the Andy Ludwicksie. 1595 01:12:20.560 --> 01:12:22.920 Maybe Jason Beck's a little bit different, but I think 1596 01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:27.800 you'll probably see him divide the carries, you know, one, two, three, 1597 01:12:28.000 --> 01:12:31.279 four teams, teams and then single digits after that. 1598 01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:35.119 Feels like it's been a very low drama fall camp. 1599 01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.439 Would you cooborate that and what does that say to 1600 01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.760 you about just kind of the mentality state of the 1601 01:12:39.800 --> 01:12:41.560 team leading into the season. 1602 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:44.920 I think that's a good thing because I've always said 1603 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:47.359 if you're breaking a lot of news in fall camp, 1604 01:12:47.479 --> 01:12:50.079 one it means you've probably got a quarterback battle which 1605 01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:52.239 you thought does not or two you've had a lot 1606 01:12:52.279 --> 01:12:55.319 of injuries, which to this point at least you thought 1607 01:12:55.359 --> 01:12:58.560 does not either. So I think that's good. Yeah, they've 1608 01:12:58.560 --> 01:13:01.800 had some position battles to the corner spot, you know, 1609 01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:04.520 the wide receivers, but again they've they've known who their 1610 01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:07.479 group is. It's just kind of settling the hierarchy there. 1611 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:10.279 And kind of the same thing along the defensive line too. 1612 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:13.079 You've got a lot of good, young, talented players who 1613 01:13:13.079 --> 01:13:15.800 didn't have a lot of reps coming into fall camp, 1614 01:13:15.840 --> 01:13:18.880 so they're getting those guys reps. But I think when 1615 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:22.439 you I don't I think the word drama in of itself, 1616 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:24.319 you don't want any of that but they just haven't. 1617 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:26.479 There hasn't been a ton out there. I think they've 1618 01:13:26.840 --> 01:13:29.159 they've just kind of known who they are coming out 1619 01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:31.199 of the spring and into the summer and now into 1620 01:13:31.279 --> 01:13:33.960 the ball and now they're tweaking it just a little bit. 1621 01:13:34.159 --> 01:13:37.159 A lot of reports with the scrimmages, and you know, 1622 01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:38.880 we kind of heard this a little bit last year 1623 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:42.079 as well, and I completely understand the approach as a 1624 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:45.399 result of the PTSD that everybody has because of the 1625 01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:47.760 myriad of injuries that this program. 1626 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:49.079 Has suffered over the past couple of years. 1627 01:13:49.399 --> 01:13:51.960 But the reports are maybe not as physical, maybe not 1628 01:13:52.039 --> 01:13:55.000 as live wanting to keep the ones on ice. Have 1629 01:13:55.119 --> 01:13:57.079 you kind of sensed that as well and seen it. 1630 01:13:58.279 --> 01:14:01.239 Yeah. The thing that kind of how Whitningham's talked about 1631 01:14:01.239 --> 01:14:03.119 this fall is taking a little bit more of an 1632 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:07.439 NFL model to his training camp, and the NFL is 1633 01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:12.840 nearly as physical as it once was. I would say 1634 01:14:12.880 --> 01:14:15.840 that Kyle Whittingham still probably runs one of the more 1635 01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:19.640 physical college football camps, but I think they've even dialed 1636 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:21.479 it back a little bit from where they were, and 1637 01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:23.439 some of the NCAA rules kind of force you to 1638 01:14:23.439 --> 01:14:26.199 do that. Deucepench you're not allowed to have as many 1639 01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:28.760 two a day practices as you us. They don't really 1640 01:14:28.800 --> 01:14:33.079 do two a day practices anymore, so it's just it's different. 1641 01:14:33.119 --> 01:14:35.840 I still think Kyle runs a physical camp kind of 1642 01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:38.359 the same way and Andy Reid does in the NFL 1643 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:40.800 with the Chiefs, but it's just not to the same 1644 01:14:40.920 --> 01:14:43.279 level it was five, ten, twenty years ago. 1645 01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:47.680 And yeah, you know, ultimately that brings up an interest 1646 01:14:48.279 --> 01:14:52.159 interesting question about balancing the dynamic of wanting to make 1647 01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:54.920 sure your players are healthy what should be priority number one, 1648 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:57.680 but also being ready for live football bill in less 1649 01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.439 than two weeks. How do you think they're doing with 1650 01:14:59.479 --> 01:15:01.479 that type of the dichotomy and balance. 1651 01:15:02.560 --> 01:15:05.319 I think because college doesn't have preseason games like the 1652 01:15:05.439 --> 01:15:08.119 NFL does, I think the way that Kyle Whittingham runs 1653 01:15:08.199 --> 01:15:11.359 it with a still a physical camp is probably the 1654 01:15:11.399 --> 01:15:13.319 best way to do it. Until we get to that 1655 01:15:13.439 --> 01:15:16.840 day where you can scrimmage a Utah State or a 1656 01:15:16.840 --> 01:15:20.039 Weber State or even a junior college that's in your state. 1657 01:15:21.520 --> 01:15:23.479 The best way to do it is to have your 1658 01:15:23.560 --> 01:15:26.720 handful of physical practices. And you know, when you talk 1659 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:30.000 to the guys, they'll tell you these practices are still 1660 01:15:30.119 --> 01:15:33.319 very physical, even towing back from where they were maybe 1661 01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:37.199 a few years ago. So if you're right, it is 1662 01:15:37.479 --> 01:15:40.199 spent striking the balance and trying to find that great 1663 01:15:40.199 --> 01:15:43.279 because again, the college football season is longer now. Back 1664 01:15:43.319 --> 01:15:45.479 in the day it was eleven games plus twelve game 1665 01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:48.520 as a bowl game. Well now it's twelve games, and 1666 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.640 then if you play in a conference championship, it's thirteen games. 1667 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:54.640 If you make the college football playoff, it's fourteen fifteen, 1668 01:15:55.039 --> 01:15:58.600 maybe sixteen games. And I know Utah's a programmed the 1669 01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:01.520 plans to play in the post season and maybe make 1670 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:03.720 a run of the postseason. So I think you begin 1671 01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:07.520 that mentality and mindset in August. The good news is 1672 01:16:07.560 --> 01:16:10.800 you've got, you know, multiple bye weeks in some cases 1673 01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:14.359 built into your schedule, so you can get some rest 1674 01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:17.960 and rehab in season. But if you're approaching it and 1675 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:19.800 you think you're a team that's going to maybe be 1676 01:16:19.880 --> 01:16:23.560 a conference championship or a playoff team, you've got to 1677 01:16:23.600 --> 01:16:25.159 take that approach starting in August. 1678 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:28.279 In years past, and certainly in years past, we were 1679 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:30.840 able to, you know, witness practice in a way that 1680 01:16:30.880 --> 01:16:33.920 we don't now. But you would hear a lot of 1681 01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:37.079 reports and This isn't a surprise. This is a program 1682 01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:40.640 that is built on the DNA and the blueprint of 1683 01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:44.000 being defense first, and the numbers bear that out over 1684 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:44.439 the years. 1685 01:16:44.439 --> 01:16:48.279 Certainly it was very easy to see a year ago, 1686 01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:49.600 but in. 1687 01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:52.680 Practice it felt like oftentimes it was the defense dominating 1688 01:16:52.720 --> 01:16:54.920 the offense. Has it been a little bit more balanced 1689 01:16:54.920 --> 01:16:58.199 with a new group of offensive personnel and a new 1690 01:16:58.199 --> 01:17:01.640 offensive coordinator throughout the course to spring and fall, I 1691 01:17:01.680 --> 01:17:02.560 think it's fair. 1692 01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:05.159 To say both have had their moments. I've been to 1693 01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:11.119 some practices where the offense looked really, really sharp, and 1694 01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:14.319 you and I both know Morgan scally. He doesn't like 1695 01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.079 his defense to lose on a regular basis. So I've 1696 01:17:17.079 --> 01:17:20.920 been to some practices where they've turned up the they've 1697 01:17:20.920 --> 01:17:23.520 turned up the intensity and had their way as well. 1698 01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.920 But the one thing I will say is the new 1699 01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:30.680 offense that Jason Beck has brought in has done a 1700 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:34.039 good job at times of keeping the defense a little 1701 01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:37.920 off balance. I just think he gives you so many 1702 01:17:37.960 --> 01:17:41.439 different looks, and there's a good energy about this offense too. 1703 01:17:42.039 --> 01:17:44.760 That they've had some you know, despite the fact they're 1704 01:17:44.800 --> 01:17:47.520 installing it for the first time, they've had some practices 1705 01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:48.600 where they've looked really good. 1706 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:53.079 All right, So in years past, both coach Witt and 1707 01:17:53.199 --> 01:17:59.159 Colonie have been very clandestaied about injuries, and it leads 1708 01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:02.520 to another debate when it comes to which college coach 1709 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:04.600 you listen to about whether or not it actually gives 1710 01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:08.840 you a competitive advantage. Lane Kiffin in the past has 1711 01:18:08.960 --> 01:18:10.880 kind of mocked the idea, so. 1712 01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:11.800 Is Lincoln Riley. 1713 01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:14.800 That you know, keeping the injuries secret gives you an 1714 01:18:14.800 --> 01:18:16.880 advantage that you know, there's some people that scoff at 1715 01:18:16.920 --> 01:18:19.640 the notion. And look, as Kyle has always said, like 1716 01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:22.600 I don't have to do this, and until I do, 1717 01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:25.000 I'm just not going to because why tip your hand? 1718 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:27.600 And you understand that logic as well. Well. 1719 01:18:27.640 --> 01:18:31.039 The Big twelve Riles has now joined the ACC the 1720 01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:34.319 Big ten and in addition to the SEC, so all 1721 01:18:34.359 --> 01:18:38.079 P four conferences are required to give injury reports three 1722 01:18:38.159 --> 01:18:40.720 days prior to the game and then ninety minutes prior 1723 01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:44.359 to kick our buddy Chris Comroddie equipped that he's excited 1724 01:18:44.359 --> 01:18:47.000 to have Coach Wit list every player is either probable 1725 01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:50.840 or questionable. And you know they ultimately mandate this in 1726 01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:53.039 the pros and that doesn't stop the pros from kind 1727 01:18:53.039 --> 01:18:55.920 of finding a way to circumvent the process either. 1728 01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:58.279 But what's the bill Riley take on? 1729 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:03.600 Now every conference in every member institution being mandated to 1730 01:19:03.760 --> 01:19:06.039 report injuries, I, you. 1731 01:19:06.000 --> 01:19:08.279 Know, to be To back up on what you said 1732 01:19:08.279 --> 01:19:12.279 about Kyle, he's always been in favor of injury reports 1733 01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:15.239 if it was uniform, because he's always had kind of 1734 01:19:15.279 --> 01:19:18.800 a pro mentality about things. But he said, if everybody's 1735 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:20.560 not going to be required to do it, I'm not 1736 01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:23.399 going to do it either. Well, now that everybody's required 1737 01:19:23.439 --> 01:19:25.560 to do it, Kyle's probably going to do it just 1738 01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:29.119 to lay everybody else is too. So I think it's 1739 01:19:29.199 --> 01:19:31.880 I don't think it's a bad thing in you know, 1740 01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:34.680 I you know, I don't you know, being true, how 1741 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:36.960 how serious they report that's going to be up to 1742 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:39.720 the institution and things like that. But I can just 1743 01:19:39.800 --> 01:19:42.880 tell you I asked Kyle about it years ago. He's like, Hey, 1744 01:19:42.880 --> 01:19:45.239 I'm happy to do it if everybody else in college 1745 01:19:45.279 --> 01:19:47.800 football is doing the same thing too, because I just 1746 01:19:47.800 --> 01:19:50.560 don't think anybody should get a competitive advantage. I think 1747 01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.600 it's tougher spense in college because these kids are still 1748 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:57.880 going to class to hide injuries if they're serious injuries. 1749 01:19:57.920 --> 01:20:00.800 And you know, muscle pools are one thing, but you know, 1750 01:20:00.880 --> 01:20:03.680 when the star running backs going to history class and 1751 01:20:03.720 --> 01:20:06.479 he's got a boot on his foot, in the day 1752 01:20:06.479 --> 01:20:09.439 and age of social media, his classmates are probably somebody's 1753 01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:12.159 going to probably post that. It's a little bit easier 1754 01:20:12.199 --> 01:20:15.119 in pro football, where you can hide players and they're 1755 01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.479 you know, they're not walking around a campus where a 1756 01:20:17.520 --> 01:20:19.520 lot of people have cameras that can hide themselves in 1757 01:20:19.560 --> 01:20:22.720 their houses. So I've always said it's tougher to do 1758 01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:25.840 on a college campus, just because if these kids are 1759 01:20:25.840 --> 01:20:28.640 truly required to go to class, and they are, although 1760 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:30.600 some of them have a lot of you know, computer classes, 1761 01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:33.279 online classes, now it's a lot harder to hide those injuries. 1762 01:20:34.119 --> 01:20:36.399 I think the other dynamic here, and I want to 1763 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:39.359 be clear, I'm not, you know, throwing anybody under the bus. 1764 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:47.279 The widespread acceptance slash promotion of gambling has put these 1765 01:20:47.600 --> 01:20:51.640 young men in a very precarious spot. The Athletic did 1766 01:20:51.640 --> 01:20:55.920 a really interesting deep dive on all the direct messages 1767 01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:00.840 that football players get from degenerate gamblers that just sacrifice 1768 01:21:00.880 --> 01:21:03.239 their mortgage on a game line. Then the player sits 1769 01:21:03.279 --> 01:21:06.359 and it's their fault that they're getting divorced now, and 1770 01:21:06.439 --> 01:21:09.000 obviously it's not. But people are idiots, and when it 1771 01:21:09.000 --> 01:21:12.359 comes to the ability via social media to access somebody's 1772 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:16.199 direct messages, I can't, like, I can't imagine the toll 1773 01:21:16.279 --> 01:21:20.000 that that has to take. It you're no longer able 1774 01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:23.840 to insulate these kids from the inundation of information. Once 1775 01:21:23.920 --> 01:21:26.399 upon a time, you're just saying, like, don't go to 1776 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:28.680 the trip website or the Deseret News website or what 1777 01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.199 like they're two daily periodicals or maybe a couple of 1778 01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:32.439 sports socc radio stations. 1779 01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:33.479 Don't read or don't listen. 1780 01:21:34.079 --> 01:21:37.319 Now, I mean NBA coaches have stories of going into 1781 01:21:37.359 --> 01:21:38.680 halftime to address their team. 1782 01:21:39.159 --> 01:21:40.279 These are adults. 1783 01:21:40.319 --> 01:21:43.520 These are pros that have their heads down checking their 1784 01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:46.680 direct messages, checking their social media at halftime of. 1785 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:47.399 A pro game. 1786 01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:52.800 I think what this does bill in addition to transparency 1787 01:21:52.840 --> 01:21:55.079 from programs, it probably takes some of the pressure off 1788 01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:57.399 these kids and maybe these morons that like to attack 1789 01:21:57.439 --> 01:21:58.000 them all the time. 1790 01:21:58.039 --> 01:21:59.359 We'll kind of take it easy. 1791 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:03.840 I hope so, because you and I both know it's 1792 01:22:03.880 --> 01:22:07.880 the dark side of our of sports fandom is where 1793 01:22:07.920 --> 01:22:11.359 these kids and you know, they're kids to a point, 1794 01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:13.640 but they are still in a lot of ways younger 1795 01:22:13.960 --> 01:22:17.439 and experiencing these things for the first time. Having to 1796 01:22:17.520 --> 01:22:20.520 deal with these people that are just out of their minds, 1797 01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:23.319 and then you throw the gambling component in there, it's tough. 1798 01:22:23.399 --> 01:22:26.880 So I will say this now that I'm working, you know, 1799 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.359 on the university side of things, I can tell you 1800 01:22:29.840 --> 01:22:34.039 they do a really good job of lecturing and telling 1801 01:22:34.079 --> 01:22:37.920 these kids and educating these kids on all these things 1802 01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:40.800 that you were just talking about the dark side of 1803 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:43.880 it all. Now you hope that it takes. There's no 1804 01:22:43.920 --> 01:22:46.159 guarantee it does, but I could tell you, at least 1805 01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:50.199 at Utah where I work, the education process on this 1806 01:22:50.279 --> 01:22:54.359 stuff is really good and off the charts, and I'm 1807 01:22:54.359 --> 01:22:58.000 going to guess most power institutions especially do a good 1808 01:22:58.079 --> 01:23:01.800 job with that too. And you know, it's like everything 1809 01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:04.720 in life, whether it's your kids, somebody else's kids, whether 1810 01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:07.720 you're in a work, you can only educate people, whether 1811 01:23:07.720 --> 01:23:10.359 they're student athletes or people that are working for you 1812 01:23:11.079 --> 01:23:13.479 to here's the right way to do it, here's what 1813 01:23:13.520 --> 01:23:15.199 we need you to do, and provide them with all 1814 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:18.880 the information. So but I do know that Utah does 1815 01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:19.840 a really good job with it. 1816 01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:24.640 What does success against UCLA look like to you? Game one, 1817 01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:29.079 flying home from the Rose Bowl, players, coach is feeling good, 1818 01:23:29.079 --> 01:23:29.800 What does that look like? 1819 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:34.760 I think a number one is a win, whatever that 1820 01:23:34.840 --> 01:23:38.039 might happen to be, because you know, road wins in 1821 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:41.239 college football against power programs are not easy to do. 1822 01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:44.239 So it's coming out of there with a w. I 1823 01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:46.680 think it's coming out of there with the offense looking 1824 01:23:47.159 --> 01:23:50.000 pretty close to what you wanted to look like with 1825 01:23:50.079 --> 01:23:52.840 Devin dan Pierre, you know, not turning the football over 1826 01:23:52.920 --> 01:23:54.880 in Utah, being able to kind of win at the 1827 01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:59.159 line of scrimmage. And then I think probably defensively, you 1828 01:23:59.159 --> 01:24:02.439 know you're you're gonna want to hold nico I Amaliava 1829 01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:04.319 in check just a little bit. I think you want 1830 01:24:04.359 --> 01:24:07.479 to avoid giving up big plays in week one, even 1831 01:24:07.479 --> 01:24:10.159 though it's your first game of the season, So getting 1832 01:24:10.159 --> 01:24:14.039 the win one, having that offense look really similar to 1833 01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:17.000 what you think it should look like with dam Pierre 1834 01:24:17.000 --> 01:24:20.920 in the offensive line, and probably preventing iam Aliava from 1835 01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:24.760 having a big day because I don't think Ucla yet 1836 01:24:24.800 --> 01:24:28.159 in year two of Deshaun Foster is quite where they 1837 01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:30.920 want to be, or need to be from a talent standpoint, 1838 01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:34.399 But they had some moments last year Spence. They got 1839 01:24:34.439 --> 01:24:36.319 better as the year went along. It's going to be 1840 01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:39.319 year number two. It is a first year quarterback in 1841 01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:41.960 the system. He wasn't there in the spring. But I 1842 01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:44.479 think that that, you know, UCLA is always going to 1843 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:46.920 be able to attract talent. But I think you still 1844 01:24:46.920 --> 01:24:49.119 need to take advantage of that talent while you can 1845 01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:51.960 if you're Utah, because I think the two programs are 1846 01:24:51.960 --> 01:24:53.359 in a little bit different places. 1847 01:24:53.640 --> 01:24:57.640 What are you hearing about, you know, road fan attendance 1848 01:24:57.680 --> 01:24:59.880 this year, if anything at all, I mean Ucla. 1849 01:25:00.079 --> 01:25:02.279 The Rose Bowl is the Rose Bowl. The venue is 1850 01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:02.800 the venue. 1851 01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:06.439 I do feel like with UCLA football maybe not being 1852 01:25:06.479 --> 01:25:09.039 what it once was. Oftentimes I'll fire up my TV 1853 01:25:09.199 --> 01:25:13.560 and wonder where everybody is. But atmosphere on the road game? One, 1854 01:25:13.600 --> 01:25:15.640 are we expecting a large youth fan contingent. 1855 01:25:16.880 --> 01:25:18.520 I know a lot of fans that are going down 1856 01:25:18.600 --> 01:25:22.880 one because it's Labor Day weekend. Two, it's easy to 1857 01:25:22.960 --> 01:25:25.680 get to in LA You've got the beach and Newport 1858 01:25:25.720 --> 01:25:27.880 and stuff, and you know, Three, there's a lot of 1859 01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.520 good memories down there, So I you know, I think 1860 01:25:30.920 --> 01:25:32.479 there's gonna be I think there's gonna be a fair 1861 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:34.640 contingent of Utah fan to go to this first game. 1862 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:35.880 I've talked to a lot of my friends that they're 1863 01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:37.640 going to go down for the weekend, especially because it's 1864 01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:41.319 Labor Day weekend. So yeah, I think there'll be a 1865 01:25:41.319 --> 01:25:44.520 good contingent of Utah fan. UCLA always has to fight it. 1866 01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.760 I mean, Westwood in there camp it's beautiful, but the 1867 01:25:47.840 --> 01:25:51.720 Rose Bowl and anything you spent you've spent time in LA, 1868 01:25:51.840 --> 01:25:54.520 it's just it's not easy to get to from where 1869 01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.520 the campus and where all the students are, and that 1870 01:25:57.640 --> 01:26:00.319 game's late at night on a Saturday night. It's Labor 1871 01:26:00.399 --> 01:26:03.800 Day weekend. So there's some challenges certainly they'll face, but 1872 01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:05.600 I think Utah it's gonna have a good traveling party 1873 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:06.000 down there. 1874 01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:07.600 And then you know Wyoming. 1875 01:26:07.680 --> 01:26:09.840 I know it's Laramie, but you got to take advantage 1876 01:26:09.880 --> 01:26:13.640 of the proximity because I mean, obviously they're at BYU two. 1877 01:26:13.680 --> 01:26:16.239 That's another road game that's close by. But you know, 1878 01:26:16.319 --> 01:26:18.560 you're at West Virginia, you're at Baylor. And then the 1879 01:26:18.600 --> 01:26:20.760 final game, of course, is you're all my mater at Kansas. 1880 01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:24.039 I would imagine the ability to go on the road 1881 01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:26.239 with games that are close. You got three of them 1882 01:26:26.239 --> 01:26:28.359 this year, which is a benefit because you're not going 1883 01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:29.760 to see that most most years. 1884 01:26:29.800 --> 01:26:33.119 You know, no, You're absolutely right, And you know Wyoming 1885 01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:34.960 is you know, you can hop in. You can leave 1886 01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:38.039 in the morning and be there kickoffs at like six 1887 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:40.279 I think so, I mean they're seven, so you could 1888 01:26:40.279 --> 01:26:42.039 be there. You could leave at noon and be to 1889 01:26:42.079 --> 01:26:44.199 the game and then drive back home after the game, 1890 01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:47.520 kind of relive those old Whack and Mountain West Conference days. 1891 01:26:47.520 --> 01:26:50.479 The BYU games not too far away. West Virginia is 1892 01:26:50.479 --> 01:26:52.239 not an easy place to get to, but I do 1893 01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:54.039 know there's I've talked to some fans are going to 1894 01:26:54.119 --> 01:26:57.439 make that trip, and I've heard things great things about 1895 01:26:57.520 --> 01:26:59.760 Morgantown in the fall. I was there in the winter. 1896 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:02.479 It was it was a little bleak for basketball, but 1897 01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:04.479 I've heard great things about the fall, So I think 1898 01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:06.560 there might be some fans. But it's not easy to 1899 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.680 get to. It's you know, fly to Pittsburgh and drive 1900 01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:09.760 an hour hour and a half. 1901 01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:11.319 Well, and the road trip to Laramie. 1902 01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:13.239 You can enjoy a nice hard boiled egg at a 1903 01:27:13.279 --> 01:27:16.000 flying Jay on your way, so it's a win win. 1904 01:27:16.920 --> 01:27:18.680 Or maybe get a you know what are they now? 1905 01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:21.119 They used to be ten tent cones at Little America. 1906 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:23.840 Maybe they're thirty five cent or fifty cent cones now 1907 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:24.279 on the west. 1908 01:27:24.600 --> 01:27:25.479 Yeah. Absolutely. 1909 01:27:25.520 --> 01:27:27.720 I mean, if you're worried about your budget, that's the 1910 01:27:27.760 --> 01:27:28.600 trip you should take. 1911 01:27:29.439 --> 01:27:30.880 All right, let's move over here. 1912 01:27:31.199 --> 01:27:33.000 Oh I actually real quick, I wanted to ask you 1913 01:27:33.000 --> 01:27:35.439 a QB two seems like that's and I love that 1914 01:27:35.479 --> 01:27:38.239 we're not talking QB one. It's such a great sign. 1915 01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:40.960 But QB two, riles, how's that battle shaping up? 1916 01:27:42.039 --> 01:27:44.600 It's you know, it's been up and down Bird Fickland 1917 01:27:44.640 --> 01:27:46.760 will have a good day of practice and Isaac will 1918 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.199 have a struggling practice. Then they'll turn right back around 1919 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.920 and Isaac will look great and he's made I'll tell 1920 01:27:51.920 --> 01:27:54.239 you what. Isaac Wilson has made some great brows in 1921 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:56.600 fall camp. And then Fickland, because he's a freshman, will 1922 01:27:56.600 --> 01:28:00.000 have some days. I think that's probably the one that's 1923 01:28:00.079 --> 01:28:02.239 going to go down to the very end. May not 1924 01:28:02.319 --> 01:28:05.840 be decided till next week sometime. Hopefully we don't need 1925 01:28:05.880 --> 01:28:08.720 to find out who QB two is on the field. 1926 01:28:09.399 --> 01:28:12.720 Right away, But I think that's still to be determined. 1927 01:28:12.840 --> 01:28:14.760 You know, it's just picking up a new offense for 1928 01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:17.039 both guys, and like I said, both guys have had 1929 01:28:17.079 --> 01:28:19.720 great moments and both guys have had some struggles in 1930 01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:22.039 fall camp. So I don't know that I can give 1931 01:28:22.079 --> 01:28:23.960 you a definitive leader right now on that one. 1932 01:28:24.039 --> 01:28:26.840 S Bence, what are you willing to say about the 1933 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:29.800 first six games of the season prior to the road 1934 01:28:29.800 --> 01:28:33.079 trip down to Provo? So at UCLA, home cow Poly 1935 01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:37.479 at Laramie, home Texas Tech, on the road Morgantown, then 1936 01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:40.359 home Arizona State. Like the nice thing about this schedule, 1937 01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:42.800 even though it's ranked as the top three, you know, 1938 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:44.600 one of the top three hardest schedules in the Big 1939 01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:48.479 twelve is the top twenty five teams in your conference 1940 01:28:48.479 --> 01:28:50.760 are all in Salt Lake City. But what are you 1941 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:53.439 willing to say about the first riles? You're nothing if 1942 01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:56.760 not bold, So prior to the BYU game, what are 1943 01:28:56.760 --> 01:28:58.439 you willing to say about what you think you talking 1944 01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:00.920 to during those first six games? 1945 01:29:01.319 --> 01:29:04.920 I think if Devin dan Pier is what we think 1946 01:29:04.960 --> 01:29:07.920 he is and he can stay healthy, I can foresee 1947 01:29:08.079 --> 01:29:13.640 Utah going to Provo undefeated. I really can if Devn 1948 01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:16.279 or the offense, maybe the and I don't even think 1949 01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:18.840 it's Devon. I think it would be more maybe the 1950 01:29:18.880 --> 01:29:22.880 surrounding cast playmakers aren't maybe of all to the point 1951 01:29:22.880 --> 01:29:25.399 where they need to be. I think that they might 1952 01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:27.840 have a loss in their back pocket. But I think 1953 01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:32.319 Utah could very easily be undefeated going to Provo. I 1954 01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:34.680 could also see him being maybe five and one going 1955 01:29:34.720 --> 01:29:37.479 to Provo too, because as you mentioned, they've got Texas 1956 01:29:37.520 --> 01:29:39.520 Tech who's going to be very good. They've also got 1957 01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:42.560 Arizona State who's going to be very good as well. 1958 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:45.119 On that trip to Morgantown is not going to be easy. 1959 01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:48.119 They should be better with rich Rod there, and it's 1960 01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:51.079 a tough place to play. But I think this team 1961 01:29:51.359 --> 01:29:55.800 Spence is talented enough certainly to be undefeated. But I 1962 01:29:55.800 --> 01:29:58.039 could see a five and one team going to Provo 1963 01:29:58.119 --> 01:29:58.439 as well. 1964 01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:00.600 I want to sneak in a basketball quote real quick 1965 01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:03.239 Solid Tribune today with a good piece on the spend 1966 01:30:03.479 --> 01:30:07.840 that BYU has made on both football and basketball. Their 1967 01:30:07.880 --> 01:30:11.600 reports are the average Big twelve basketball roster this year 1968 01:30:11.680 --> 01:30:15.960 costs about twelve million bucks. BYU's is about fifteen million dollars. 1969 01:30:16.640 --> 01:30:18.960 I don't know what Alex has. It is disposal ran 1970 01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:21.239 into him last week at the Red Zone Store. Definitely 1971 01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:23.600 check out the Red Zone Store prior to football season. 1972 01:30:24.039 --> 01:30:27.680 So what in your estimation does success look like? Ye're 1973 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:30.119 one for Alex Jensen and the running youths. 1974 01:30:30.560 --> 01:30:34.439 I think it's a buy into Alex's philosophy, style and culture, 1975 01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:38.319 because you've got to set that in place if anything's 1976 01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:41.600 going to happen. Saw I'm Saturday night at Vanfest. He's 1977 01:30:41.640 --> 01:30:44.800 really happy with where things are, and then you know 1978 01:30:45.000 --> 01:30:47.960 from there. I think this team's going to be competitive. 1979 01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:50.680 I think the athleticism is going to be really really good. 1980 01:30:51.119 --> 01:30:53.680 Do they have enough shooting? We'll see that once they 1981 01:30:53.760 --> 01:30:55.560 kind of get on the floor just a little bit. 1982 01:30:55.600 --> 01:30:59.600 But I think success this year for Alex is instilling 1983 01:30:59.720 --> 01:31:03.359 his philosophy and culture and being competitive and a lot 1984 01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:05.680 of big you're gonna win games. That's not like Utah, 1985 01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.760 They're gonna win games. Can you be competitive and pull 1986 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.840 off a few upsets this year, whether it's in Provo, 1987 01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:14.680 or it's in Lawrence, or it's in Waco, wherever those 1988 01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:16.960 might happen to be. Do you do you have a 1989 01:31:17.000 --> 01:31:20.399 couple of Hey, we're gonna plant our flag. See, you know, 1990 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:23.319 we're competitive in this league and we've pulled off an 1991 01:31:23.359 --> 01:31:27.319 upset or two as well. Utah was competitive with Craig Smith. 1992 01:31:27.680 --> 01:31:30.000 They just in the biggest games they came up just 1993 01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:32.600 a little bit short. I think it's being competitive but 1994 01:31:32.720 --> 01:31:34.640 also being able to pull off an upset here and 1995 01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:35.079 there too. 1996 01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:37.760 All right, Ryles, before I said you loose, tell us 1997 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:39.520 about what we have going on with our good friends 1998 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:40.560 over at Handy and Handy. 1999 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.079 Well, they're they're kind of of Spence. They're great partners 2000 01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:46.600 at ESPN seven under the sponsor this segment with you, 2001 01:31:46.640 --> 01:31:49.399 and they want to do with Sean every week. You know, 2002 01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:53.079 they say it big, big firm, experience, small firm. Uh, 2003 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:57.000 you know, attention. 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We've been working on this for a 2030 01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:06.960 little while. 2031 01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:12.199 Former RSL general manager and good friend Elliott Falls live 2032 01:33:12.239 --> 01:33:12.800 in studio. 2033 01:33:12.880 --> 01:33:14.760 Elliot, good to see you, man, How are you great? 2034 01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:16.000 I'm great, great to see you. 2035 01:33:16.239 --> 01:33:19.119 I know you're great now because we had a little 2036 01:33:19.239 --> 01:33:22.079 Ed Sheeran bumping us in so that that's used juff. 2037 01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:24.239 Yeah, oh that was I mean, and it was it 2038 01:33:24.279 --> 01:33:26.800 was perfect. That's a good one. It's a that's a banger. 2039 01:33:27.119 --> 01:33:27.640 So for our. 2040 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.039 Listeners that have no clue. Elliot and I play golf 2041 01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:32.399 together from time to time. He is a very good player. 2042 01:33:32.439 --> 01:33:34.840 I've learned a lot just watching him play. And we 2043 01:33:34.920 --> 01:33:37.399 both have our like speakers going to the same time, 2044 01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:41.199 so it's like rival music and we have pretty similar 2045 01:33:41.239 --> 01:33:45.680 tastes in music. But occasionally I'll notice, like a shaggy 2046 01:33:45.760 --> 01:33:47.359 song or something. 2047 01:33:47.359 --> 01:33:49.199 I don't think you've ever heard a shaggy song. But 2048 01:33:49.680 --> 01:33:51.840 that was when Trey's phone started ringing. 2049 01:33:51.920 --> 01:33:54.159 It happened. Oh that would be so sick if that 2050 01:33:54.199 --> 01:33:54.800 was his rent town. 2051 01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:57.199 But one day I'm getting ready to tee off and 2052 01:33:57.239 --> 01:33:59.680 I'm like, is that edg Shearon in the background? 2053 01:33:59.760 --> 01:34:00.439 Cast on hill? 2054 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:02.039 And let me be clear, that's a banger. It's a 2055 01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:03.560 good song. I just didn't know you were an D shirt. 2056 01:34:03.720 --> 01:34:03.880 Nah. 2057 01:34:04.000 --> 01:34:06.880 You know, you find us, you find some space, and honestly, 2058 01:34:06.920 --> 01:34:08.399 when you're when you're out on the golf course for 2059 01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:10.479 a while, you gotta you gotta change it up. 2060 01:34:10.479 --> 01:34:12.960 You can't just have the same, same old, same old. 2061 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:13.760 Oh this is true. 2062 01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:17.239 And you can't give Trey the the control. You can 2063 01:34:17.319 --> 01:34:19.359 never give Tray the control. Let's be clear about that. 2064 01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:24.039 How good do you think you are golf? Not very 2065 01:34:24.079 --> 01:34:26.720 good right now? I haven't been playing well lately, that's 2066 01:34:26.760 --> 01:34:30.880 not true. Like do you think if you allocated time 2067 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:35.439 and energy to just you get a great coach. 2068 01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:37.840 You're playing every day, which you kind of do anyway, 2069 01:34:38.279 --> 01:34:39.760 you're hitting balls all the time. 2070 01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:43.199 Some people think so you're but but you genuinely try 2071 01:34:43.279 --> 01:34:45.960 to be as good as you possibly can. Sure, how 2072 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:47.560 good do you think you could be? Because you're close 2073 01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:49.119 to a scratch? I know you say you're not, but 2074 01:34:49.199 --> 01:34:49.479 you are. 2075 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:55.560 Uh yeah, I don't know. I think I could get 2076 01:34:55.640 --> 01:35:01.439 to a plus handicap, but I don't, you know, certainly 2077 01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:06.239 nowhere near you know the the great players you see, 2078 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:09.399 you know in some places I've played, I've played around. 2079 01:35:09.920 --> 01:35:12.920 I mean, it's always humbling when you play with really 2080 01:35:12.960 --> 01:35:14.640 good golfers and I played around. 2081 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:16.880 You know this. 2082 01:35:17.359 --> 01:35:20.239 A few of us like to play the Nibley Men's League, indeed, 2083 01:35:20.479 --> 01:35:23.359 and Nibley's a fun place and you know, shout out 2084 01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:25.439 to Andrew Meacham and he the pro there. He does 2085 01:35:25.439 --> 01:35:29.239 an unbelievable job. It's a lot of fun, cool men's league. Fridays, 2086 01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:31.960 we go out in the club Championship. None of my 2087 01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:33.720 friends played with me, so I had to play. I 2088 01:35:33.720 --> 01:35:35.479 got paired up by myself for a couple of us 2089 01:35:35.680 --> 01:35:36.239 have jobs. 2090 01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:38.640 Elliott. It was a Saturday and Sunday. 2091 01:35:38.840 --> 01:35:42.159 Your job does but to qualify for that after play 2092 01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:44.079 on Fridays, and I did the best I could. 2093 01:35:44.760 --> 01:35:46.000 I'm not even talking about you. 2094 01:35:46.000 --> 01:35:48.439 You're okay, Well I think friends, I hurt my feelings, 2095 01:35:48.439 --> 01:35:50.760 but you retired early and we'll get there. 2096 01:35:51.359 --> 01:35:52.760 But anyway, as you were a club. 2097 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:54.960 Championship anyway, you know, I got paired with a couple 2098 01:35:54.960 --> 01:35:58.960 of guys and you know they they clean the clean 2099 01:35:59.039 --> 01:36:01.560 my clock and there in the club Championship, I mean, 2100 01:36:02.039 --> 01:36:04.479 you know, and I've actually played with with him a 2101 01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:06.520 couple of times since. And you know, the one guy 2102 01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:09.479 went out and shot five under this week at Nibbley. 2103 01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:13.880 Who are these people? They're just good golfers, like college guys. College. 2104 01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:18.359 No, they're they're about my age. Yeah. 2105 01:36:18.920 --> 01:36:21.479 See, it always depresses me every time I feel like 2106 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:23.399 I'm improving a little bit to hear that there are 2107 01:36:23.399 --> 01:36:25.239 so many people that are so much better at this time. 2108 01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:28.279 Yeah, there's there's there's a lot of good golfers out there. 2109 01:36:28.279 --> 01:36:30.079 There's a lot of good golfers in the state of Utah, 2110 01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.239 there is. I'm better now than I was when we 2111 01:36:32.319 --> 01:36:34.880 first started playing together. At least give me that, certainly. Okay, 2112 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:37.279 you're not a bad golfer. I don't think I'm a 2113 01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:39.920 bad golfer. You're a good golf Sorry, I should I 2114 01:36:39.960 --> 01:36:41.960 should be I should be more clear you were a 2115 01:36:42.000 --> 01:36:42.520 good golfer. 2116 01:36:42.560 --> 01:36:45.000 Well, that's kind of you to say. But you know, 2117 01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:47.359 just when you think you're good, you play with somebody 2118 01:36:47.520 --> 01:36:49.399 like our guys steal the Walt my guy. 2119 01:36:49.560 --> 01:36:51.760 Sure. Yeah. And did you play against him when you 2120 01:36:51.760 --> 01:36:52.039 were a. 2121 01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:55.640 Judge Yeah, no, I think no, I think he was 2122 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:57.800 the same. I mean, I think I think we over 2123 01:36:57.920 --> 01:36:59.720 I mean, I only played two years at Judge, but 2124 01:36:59.760 --> 01:37:02.840 I'm pretty sure because he went to Park City. I'm 2125 01:37:03.039 --> 01:37:06.720 ninety nine per sure. I think we overlapped at least 2126 01:37:06.720 --> 01:37:08.600 one year, if not, if not both years. 2127 01:37:08.800 --> 01:37:12.319 It was wild watching him play and watching and watching 2128 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:17.039 you like watching golfers like him like problem solve. It's yeah, 2129 01:37:17.079 --> 01:37:19.199 they think of things that you would even would not 2130 01:37:19.279 --> 01:37:19.960 even consider. 2131 01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:21.880 Yeah, there's so many aspects of the game that are 2132 01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:25.079 to challenge you, right and like that. If you're not 2133 01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:29.000 if you're not proficient at you're you're gonna fall apart. 2134 01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:31.800 Like you if you sure you can have a great swing, 2135 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:35.840 If you can't chip a ball, you're done. If you 2136 01:37:35.880 --> 01:37:39.760 can't make a five footer, you're done. You you undo 2137 01:37:39.800 --> 01:37:43.199 all the good work you do get in there. It's 2138 01:37:43.199 --> 01:37:45.239 a tough game, man. It humbles you, it really does. 2139 01:37:45.319 --> 01:37:48.079 And you know, at least for me, and I think 2140 01:37:48.119 --> 01:37:50.920 this this goes for most golfers. As soon as you 2141 01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:54.079 as soon as you feel like you've found something you've 2142 01:37:54.359 --> 01:37:56.199 you lose it. You lose whatever it is, or you 2143 01:37:56.239 --> 01:37:58.840 lose something else. I mean, it's it's a it's a 2144 01:37:58.840 --> 01:38:00.000 tough game, but that's what makes a fun. 2145 01:38:00.119 --> 01:38:02.000 Yeah. Yeah, it's it's quite a challenge. 2146 01:38:02.199 --> 01:38:02.319 Uh. 2147 01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:04.960 This weekend, I was back in Indianapolis with my brother 2148 01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:07.920 and we played this great track. Four of the holes 2149 01:38:07.920 --> 01:38:10.439 are actually in the Indy five hundred racetrack. 2150 01:38:10.680 --> 01:38:11.279 I've heard of that. 2151 01:38:11.439 --> 01:38:14.560 It's really cool Front nine and I'm not sure i've 2152 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:15.359 ever done this before. 2153 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:17.840 A birdie two of the first five holes. 2154 01:38:17.880 --> 01:38:20.239 All right, then we're on a par three, We're about 2155 01:38:20.239 --> 01:38:24.279 one seventy eight out. I wrote my seven iron. I'm like, 2156 01:38:24.319 --> 01:38:27.159 that is all over it hit it within three feet. 2157 01:38:27.239 --> 01:38:29.000 I'm like, okay, this could be your third BIRDI in 2158 01:38:29.039 --> 01:38:30.560 the first six holes. I don't know I've ever shouldn't 2159 01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:34.239 have thought that correct because what I did was I 2160 01:38:34.279 --> 01:38:36.119 pulled a two and a half foot or for birdie, 2161 01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:38.000 tapped in for part, and then I melted down. I 2162 01:38:38.000 --> 01:38:39.840 think I shot a I think I shot a thirty 2163 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:41.800 eight on the front and then a forty eight on 2164 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:43.680 the back because I was in my head about that 2165 01:38:43.720 --> 01:38:44.359 birdie putt. 2166 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:49.079 It's yeah, it's I mean, the best thing it needs 2167 01:38:49.079 --> 01:38:52.199 impossible to do, but certainly all the time. But the 2168 01:38:52.199 --> 01:38:53.640 best thing you can do for your score is to 2169 01:38:53.680 --> 01:38:56.720 not know what your score is. I mean, it's if 2170 01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:59.239 you know where you are, that's when it gets in 2171 01:38:59.279 --> 01:39:01.520 your head and you start playing defensive and yeah, you're 2172 01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:03.520 toast and like, like you said, you got a three 2173 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:05.720 footer and you're like, oh man, I just got to 2174 01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:09.520 make this day, and it's you know, and you know what, 2175 01:39:09.640 --> 01:39:12.479 you know, what's what's crazy about it is we talk 2176 01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:14.640 about this and then you watch the pros. 2177 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:16.680 On the weekend some of them do the same thing. 2178 01:39:17.039 --> 01:39:20.119 And like we talk about how going out, you know, 2179 01:39:20.199 --> 01:39:22.279 you end up playing with a with a great player. 2180 01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:25.560 Don't you think all the PGA Tour guys who end 2181 01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:27.960 up getting paired with with Scotty Scheffler these days feel 2182 01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:28.439 the same way. 2183 01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:28.800 Yeah. 2184 01:39:29.039 --> 01:39:31.159 It's like, oh, I'm feeling good about myself. I just 2185 01:39:31.199 --> 01:39:33.800 won a tournament. Oh, now I gotta play Scotty Schefler. 2186 01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:34.079 Yeah. 2187 01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:35.760 And now it's funny you reference Scotty because I just 2188 01:39:35.760 --> 01:39:38.560 pulled this up because you know I didn't used to. 2189 01:39:38.720 --> 01:39:40.479 Well, I never played golf growing up. 2190 01:39:40.520 --> 01:39:42.159 I got into it over the past few years and 2191 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:45.399 playing with people like you and getting better equipment and 2192 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.319 taking lessons has helped. But I never really covered it either. 2193 01:39:48.439 --> 01:39:51.800 But it's it's such a behemoth. Now if you're in 2194 01:39:51.880 --> 01:39:54.520 this space, you better become familiar a little bit at 2195 01:39:54.600 --> 01:39:56.359 least with what's going on in the world of golf. 2196 01:39:56.840 --> 01:39:58.000 And so I covered it in a way that I 2197 01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:00.960 used to and bring it up in this context. I 2198 01:40:00.960 --> 01:40:05.199 didn't cover it when Tiger was Tiger, which honestly depresses 2199 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:07.039 me because I've read I've read the book, and I've 2200 01:40:07.039 --> 01:40:09.800 watched the documentary like ten times, and if the Golf 2201 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:12.760 Channel ever shows like hey, Tiger highlights coming up, I'm 2202 01:40:13.119 --> 01:40:15.159 recording it and I'm watching all of it. I really 2203 01:40:15.159 --> 01:40:17.720 wish I was watching and covering it when Tiger was Tiger, 2204 01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:20.640 But because I didn't, and now I'm covering it in 2205 01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:22.640 a different way, I do this thing where I'm like, 2206 01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:25.640 it feels like Scotty's having this Tiger like run, and 2207 01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:27.319 then you pull up these stats. 2208 01:40:27.760 --> 01:40:29.920 So I was going to say something like you're going 2209 01:40:29.960 --> 01:40:31.600 with heading tours, go ahead, well, and. 2210 01:40:31.560 --> 01:40:33.359 I actually honestly want your thoughts. 2211 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:38.479 So Scotty just became the first golfer since Tiger to 2212 01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:42.399 have two straight seasons of five wins or more on tour. Sure, 2213 01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:45.479 and it's only Scotty and Tiger over the past forty years. 2214 01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:48.279 So Scotty has done it once, yeah, twenty twenty four 2215 01:40:48.319 --> 01:40:50.800 and twenty twenty five. So I heard, like, oh, first 2216 01:40:50.840 --> 01:40:53.319 since Tiger. Okay, well, then he's having this Tiger like run. 2217 01:40:53.760 --> 01:40:56.640 Tiger did it in ninety nine, two thousand, two thousand, 2218 01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:58.640 two thousand and one, two thousand and one, two thousand 2219 01:40:58.640 --> 01:41:00.880 and two, two thousand and three, two two thousand and two, 2220 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:03.399 two thousand and three, two thousand and five, two thousand 2221 01:41:03.399 --> 01:41:05.359 and six, two thousand and six, two thousand and seven. 2222 01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:09.880 He did it six times. He's back to back seasons 2223 01:41:09.880 --> 01:41:12.199 with five or more wins on toy. Tiger did it 2224 01:41:12.279 --> 01:41:15.000 six times. Scott he's done it once. They're the only 2225 01:41:15.000 --> 01:41:16.520 golfers in forty years to do it. 2226 01:41:16.600 --> 01:41:19.520 If you want to, if you wanna, if you're feeling 2227 01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:21.399 good about yourself on the golf course, go read some 2228 01:41:21.479 --> 01:41:23.640 Tiger stats and you will really humble yourself. 2229 01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:25.079 Yeah, but I. 2230 01:41:25.039 --> 01:41:29.079 Mean they're just the most unbelievable, the one about you know, 2231 01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:31.920 Scotty's been number one in the world for what three 2232 01:41:31.960 --> 01:41:35.479 straight years that nobody's even coming close to him, right, 2233 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:37.760 He'd have to be number one in the world till 2234 01:41:37.880 --> 01:41:40.920 like twenty thirty six to match Tiger's streak. 2235 01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:43.159 That's just wild. It's I mean, Tiger. 2236 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:46.800 You know, you see the shot Scotty hit yesterday to 2237 01:41:46.840 --> 01:41:50.319 win the tournament, yep effectively on seventeen. You sit there 2238 01:41:50.359 --> 01:41:52.119 and you're like, that's one of the greatest shots you've 2239 01:41:52.119 --> 01:41:55.479 ever seen, and then you think about the natural like 2240 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:58.920 comparison is Tiger's shot on sixteen in the Master in 2241 01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:06.359 like yeah, yeah, and and like that shot makes makes 2242 01:42:06.640 --> 01:42:08.640 Scotty's shot look like a three foot pott. 2243 01:42:08.720 --> 01:42:12.840 Yeah. And it's just the things Tiger was able to do. 2244 01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:16.039 And what what's crazy about Tiger is he's probably the 2245 01:42:16.079 --> 01:42:18.520 best iron player of all time. Like he so he come, 2246 01:42:18.680 --> 01:42:21.039 he comes into golf, right, and he hits it a mile, 2247 01:42:21.159 --> 01:42:24.680 and he's overpowering courses and like everybody's heard it. You know, 2248 01:42:24.720 --> 01:42:26.720 oh you got a Tiger proof golf courses. That's why 2249 01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:30.560 they started lengthening them. All this stuff. It's not even 2250 01:42:30.680 --> 01:42:32.359 close to what the best part of his game was. 2251 01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:35.479 He's maybe the best iron player of all time. His 2252 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:40.479 short name is outrageous, as displayed by the you know, 2253 01:42:40.520 --> 01:42:43.079 the shot on sixteen that the Master's among a million 2254 01:42:43.119 --> 01:42:46.359 other shots. And then he was probably the best potter 2255 01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:49.159 maybe to ever live. Yeah, I mean I saw a 2256 01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:53.479 stat recently where it was like in I'm gonna I'm 2257 01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:56.119 just making this up, but it's something like this where 2258 01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:02.279 he had he had like eighteen hundreds inside four feet 2259 01:43:02.359 --> 01:43:06.960 in two years and he missed two of them. 2260 01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:10.399 It's just unfathomable. Now you give me eighteen hundred putts 2261 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:12.880 inside four inches. I think I'd missed two of them. 2262 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:16.359 It's I mean, it blows the mind in a different 2263 01:43:16.359 --> 01:43:18.079 way when you actually try to be good at it, 2264 01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:19.560 when you try to play the game, and then you 2265 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:22.520 realize like how hard it is to be good and consistent, 2266 01:43:23.039 --> 01:43:25.600 and how wild it is that he did what he did. 2267 01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:27.359 Now, he's not gonna get Jack's record. 2268 01:43:28.199 --> 01:43:31.760 Injuries and then proclivity for Perkins waitresses and such kind 2269 01:43:31.760 --> 01:43:32.640 of threw him off the rails. 2270 01:43:32.640 --> 01:43:34.399 But do you think he's the greatest that's ever done it. 2271 01:43:35.800 --> 01:43:37.439 I think he's the greatest that's ever done it. But 2272 01:43:38.359 --> 01:43:41.760 I also think, you know, some day, I mean, he 2273 01:43:41.960 --> 01:43:45.239 he may never have this conversation, who knows, but like 2274 01:43:47.000 --> 01:43:49.039 he probably has to reckon a little bit with the 2275 01:43:49.079 --> 01:43:54.920 fact that it was him. It like the injuries were 2276 01:43:54.960 --> 01:43:57.199 even him in a lot of ways because it's the 2277 01:43:57.239 --> 01:44:01.079 swing change. Yeah, okay, the swing stuff is wild to me. 2278 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:03.079 I mean, he went out and he won, He won 2279 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:05.960 the Masters in record breaking fashion, won he won the 2280 01:44:06.039 --> 01:44:09.199 US Open Upebble Beach by a hundred shots, whatever it was. 2281 01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:11.760 I mean, and you know that story, right, I mean 2282 01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:14.680 that one's unbelieve he won that tournament by thirteen strokes 2283 01:44:14.760 --> 01:44:20.319 or something like that, and then he goes out and 2284 01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:24.760 completely changes his golf swing because he's and it's what 2285 01:44:24.840 --> 01:44:27.600 got him where he was. So I also understand how this, 2286 01:44:27.920 --> 01:44:30.680 like this is the mentality of an athlete, right, Like. 2287 01:44:31.760 --> 01:44:33.039 There's this. 2288 01:44:34.640 --> 01:44:38.039 There's this pursuit of perfection at least at the very 2289 01:44:38.119 --> 01:44:43.680 top ends of sports, where you're never satisfied. You never 2290 01:44:43.720 --> 01:44:45.800 think you're good enough, you never And of course the 2291 01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:47.880 irony is like you also go out and you believe 2292 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:50.720 you're the best every day you're out there. So it's 2293 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:55.960 this weird, you know, dichotomy in your head. But he 2294 01:44:56.199 --> 01:44:58.000 thought there was something to fix and so he went 2295 01:44:58.039 --> 01:45:00.279 out and completely read it his golf swing, and you know, 2296 01:45:00.359 --> 01:45:03.000 I think that led to some of the injuries. Obviously 2297 01:45:03.039 --> 01:45:06.319 there's other things that happened, but like he was winning 2298 01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:08.399 majors by fifteen strokes, Like what do you need to 2299 01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:09.039 go change? 2300 01:45:09.239 --> 01:45:12.680 Just go do it again, just keep keep at it. 2301 01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:15.079 Yeah, it's interesting you bring it out because I listened 2302 01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:17.439 to an interview or you know what this is actually 2303 01:45:17.520 --> 01:45:19.520 during one of the golf channels, Like, hey, this is 2304 01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:23.039 when Tiger was Tiger broadcast and they interviewed Wyndham Clark. 2305 01:45:24.520 --> 01:45:27.960 I'm trying to think when Wyndham said his swing was 2306 01:45:27.960 --> 01:45:30.920 at when Tiger's swing was at his best. Is there 2307 01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:33.319 an era where you felt like his swing was in 2308 01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:35.279 the best place and he never should have touched it? 2309 01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:37.680 I think it's hard to argue against that. 2310 01:45:37.800 --> 01:45:42.079 Like, you know, early twenty ninety eight to two thousand 2311 01:45:42.119 --> 01:45:44.359 and three, kind of like winn he won the Masters, 2312 01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:47.880 the first Masters, that that Pebble Beach US Open, when 2313 01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:49.800 he had the Tiger Slam where he held all the 2314 01:45:49.840 --> 01:45:54.039 majors at the same time, you know, I mean, and 2315 01:45:54.279 --> 01:45:56.439 but by the way, we haven't talked about his amateur career. 2316 01:45:56.560 --> 01:45:59.720 You know that you know that he won three consecutive 2317 01:45:59.800 --> 01:46:03.720 US Junior Amateurs and then won three consecutive US Amateurs. 2318 01:46:03.840 --> 01:46:07.520 Like that's mind blowing in and of itself. It's mind blowing, 2319 01:46:07.560 --> 01:46:09.439 mind blowing. Yeah, that he did that. 2320 01:46:09.560 --> 01:46:13.840 And also and again, yes, his career was derailed as 2321 01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:16.439 a result of some poor personal decisions and the health 2322 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:22.800 as you referenced with his swing change. But the other 2323 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:25.920 thing that's interesting about this sport to me is how 2324 01:46:25.960 --> 01:46:32.520 many great young golfers get derailed by fatigue, sure or 2325 01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:34.840 not wanting to live. It was interesting talking to Steel 2326 01:46:34.880 --> 01:46:39.079 about this because at the media tournament prior to the 2327 01:46:39.159 --> 01:46:41.920 Utah am they paired me with him, and they did 2328 01:46:41.920 --> 01:46:44.640 that intentionally because he's a pro now he's an amateur 2329 01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:47.239 now because he's trying to qualify, and I'm learning all 2330 01:46:47.279 --> 01:46:49.079 this stuff in real time, like can you qualify for 2331 01:46:49.119 --> 01:46:52.119 the Masters in the US Open in the amateur route? 2332 01:46:52.439 --> 01:46:56.079 And Steele has a very successful career, so he referenced 2333 01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:58.640 how like money was immaterial to him. He didn't need 2334 01:46:58.680 --> 01:47:00.359 to grind and make the money. But he tell me 2335 01:47:00.399 --> 01:47:03.680 about the lifestyle. The grind to just get your car 2336 01:47:03.800 --> 01:47:05.600 go to Q school is interesting. And I said during 2337 01:47:05.680 --> 01:47:08.279 Q school, who was the one golfer that you played 2338 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:10.159 with or against that you felt was to it? He said, 2339 01:47:10.239 --> 01:47:12.880 Xander said it was Xander. When he ran into Ander, 2340 01:47:12.960 --> 01:47:14.680 He's like, Okay, that's different. I'm not sure that I 2341 01:47:14.680 --> 01:47:17.560 can ever be that. But there are a myriad of 2342 01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:21.439 different things that derailed these golfers before they ever even 2343 01:47:21.520 --> 01:47:24.159 touched their apex. And again Tiger was derailed but after 2344 01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:27.119 an incredible apex, like the fact that everything fell in 2345 01:47:27.159 --> 01:47:28.159 the line the way that it did. 2346 01:47:28.199 --> 01:47:30.199 It's one of the most remarkable stories in the history 2347 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:31.279 of sport, It really is. 2348 01:47:31.359 --> 01:47:35.720 And then and then, by the way, the twenty nineteen Masters, 2349 01:47:36.159 --> 01:47:38.520 like are you kidding? The comeback? And I watched that live. 2350 01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:42.560 It was abelievable. Yeah, it was unbelievable. By the way. 2351 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:45.600 You know, you know our friend Matt who plays golf 2352 01:47:45.600 --> 01:47:46.560 with us, he was there. 2353 01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:47.560 Oh, he was at that. 2354 01:47:47.840 --> 01:47:51.479 He left on he left on Sunday morning, so he 2355 01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:53.039 wasn't there for the final round, but he was there. 2356 01:47:53.159 --> 01:47:55.600 Do you remember It's actually funny. Do you remember the 2357 01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:58.720 shot where Tiger hit a ball out of the trees 2358 01:47:58.880 --> 01:48:01.279 and had had to curl it around and together and 2359 01:48:01.319 --> 01:48:05.800 he had the gallery around him, and and that I 2360 01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:08.479 believe it was a It was one of the security 2361 01:48:08.479 --> 01:48:10.960 guards comes running by and slips on the wet grass 2362 01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:13.840 and almost takes Tiger's leg out. In the TV shot 2363 01:48:13.840 --> 01:48:15.680 you can see Matt. Oh really yeah. 2364 01:48:15.720 --> 01:48:17.600 And that was Father's Day too, by the way, right, 2365 01:48:17.720 --> 01:48:19.439 I believe no Father's Day is us open? 2366 01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:21.039 Oh, yes, he's right. 2367 01:48:21.279 --> 01:48:26.319 It might have been something about no because his father anyway, Yeah, 2368 01:48:26.359 --> 01:48:28.520 but there was something something about it. 2369 01:48:28.520 --> 01:48:31.079 It was an unbeliev I mean, just an unbelievable tournament. Well, 2370 01:48:31.119 --> 01:48:33.560 and then the relationship with his dad is so fascinating 2371 01:48:33.560 --> 01:48:33.800 to me. 2372 01:48:34.000 --> 01:48:36.119 It's yeah, you know, because the fact of the matter 2373 01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:39.199 is he's not Tiger without Earl. But there was still, 2374 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:42.000 you know, a lot of things about that relationship. 2375 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:44.000 It's not hard to make an argument it was an 2376 01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:45.119 unhealthy relationship. 2377 01:48:45.439 --> 01:48:48.560 And you just wonder how much of Tiger's ultimate downfall 2378 01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:51.439 was learned behavior, right, like all of the things we 2379 01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:54.920 learned about his dad later on in the womanizing And anyway, 2380 01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:58.079 all right, before we catch a break, I wanted to 2381 01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:01.000 have you in studio for a while now, and coming 2382 01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:03.600 up next, I want to talk about, uh, you know, 2383 01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:06.079 where you feel the club is at now, what it 2384 01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:08.199 was like to build what I perceived to be for 2385 01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:11.279 about eighteen to twenty matches last year. Is the best 2386 01:49:11.279 --> 01:49:13.600 team we've had here. I truly believe that. But before 2387 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.319 we catch a break, let's get to know you a 2388 01:49:15.359 --> 01:49:18.239 little bit. For our listeners who don't local kid, judge 2389 01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:21.119 high kid, you tak kid yep, and you're not You're 2390 01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:22.840 a little bit like me. You're not just like a 2391 01:49:22.840 --> 01:49:25.239 soccer guy like you love Utah football. You grew up 2392 01:49:25.239 --> 01:49:26.000 loving the jazz. 2393 01:49:26.079 --> 01:49:28.479 Like, oh, I was listening to you with doctor Chris 2394 01:49:28.520 --> 01:49:31.199 Hill today and you were talking about hiring Urban and 2395 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:33.319 the Muss. I was in the MUSS. I was in 2396 01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:37.359 the MUSS for both undefeated seasons. Unreal, like literally brought 2397 01:49:37.439 --> 01:49:38.920 chills to my down my spine. 2398 01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:41.239 So tell us about your path, like and then we'll 2399 01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:42.560 get to the rself stuff on the other. 2400 01:49:42.680 --> 01:49:46.359 Yeah, so you know, like you said, local local guy, 2401 01:49:46.479 --> 01:49:51.359 grew up you know, right within walking distance of Rice Ecles, 2402 01:49:52.479 --> 01:49:55.279 going to games as a kid, huge jazz fan as 2403 01:49:55.279 --> 01:49:58.520 a kid. I mean, you know, the Stockton to Malone 2404 01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:02.560 pick role in the in the you know, the ninety 2405 01:50:02.600 --> 01:50:06.199 six ninety seven finals runs are seared in my brain. 2406 01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:08.720 I mean that's like, that's that's sports fandom to me. 2407 01:50:08.880 --> 01:50:11.720 Like that is and then and then the utes going 2408 01:50:11.800 --> 01:50:14.319 to the to the final four, and then the championship 2409 01:50:14.359 --> 01:50:15.800 match and or championship game. 2410 01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:17.439 There's this there's the soccer. 2411 01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:22.680 Guy, you know, and you know, falling short against Kentime. 2412 01:50:22.680 --> 01:50:24.960 I mean I literally like I remember where I was 2413 01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:27.520 getting ready to like watch those games like. 2414 01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:29.840 That was you know, that was my fandom. 2415 01:50:30.000 --> 01:50:35.000 But yeah, I grew up, grew up playing soccer, played 2416 01:50:35.039 --> 01:50:37.880 golf in high school too. You know, I would say 2417 01:50:39.159 --> 01:50:43.520 it wasn't great at either one of them. I've I've 2418 01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:48.119 gotten better at golf since then because I worked. I 2419 01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:50.800 worked up at Mountain Dell for seven years and it was, 2420 01:50:51.279 --> 01:50:54.279 you know, I tell people the best job I ever had. 2421 01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:56.640 Uh it's tough when the best job. 2422 01:50:56.439 --> 01:50:57.840 You ever have is the first job you ever have. 2423 01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:01.640 But but yeah, so, you know, grew up in the area, 2424 01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:06.199 went to went to the U again, you know, was 2425 01:51:06.199 --> 01:51:10.479 was a student for both undefeated seasons, so that was 2426 01:51:10.560 --> 01:51:14.399 that was a special time. Got my degree in economics, 2427 01:51:14.439 --> 01:51:16.960 and was looking for an internship the summer before my 2428 01:51:17.039 --> 01:51:21.720 senior year and and got connected, you know with with RSL. 2429 01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:25.880 It was intern for Trey, which is just a lot 2430 01:51:25.920 --> 01:51:30.079 of coffee rooms. I mean, yeah, he still owes me 2431 01:51:30.119 --> 01:51:34.279 money for I'm sure twenty to thirty of them, but 2432 01:51:34.640 --> 01:51:35.960 you know, it is what it is. 2433 01:51:36.920 --> 01:51:37.319 But no. 2434 01:51:39.119 --> 01:51:43.359 Got in at such a fun time at RSL. So 2435 01:51:43.439 --> 01:51:45.680 I started in April of two thousand and seven. I mean, 2436 01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:48.840 you know that time really well, and it was It's 2437 01:51:49.039 --> 01:51:52.640 wild to see what the club and what the sport 2438 01:51:52.880 --> 01:51:55.600 and the landscape is now compared to back then. 2439 01:51:55.680 --> 01:51:57.079 It's just that you can't even compare it. 2440 01:51:57.119 --> 01:51:59.319 I mean it was you know, we were in our 2441 01:51:59.359 --> 01:52:04.600 offices at Trolley Corners and there had been groundbreaking of 2442 01:52:04.640 --> 01:52:08.479 the stadium, but it was still you know, and you 2443 01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:09.840 were right in the heart of it, you know, your 2444 01:52:09.920 --> 01:52:15.039 dad getting you know, just get making things happen, and 2445 01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:16.840 and the number of times that that was on the 2446 01:52:16.920 --> 01:52:22.239 verge of falling apart. And obviously MLS was a totally 2447 01:52:22.239 --> 01:52:25.039 different landscape then. So just got to be a part 2448 01:52:25.039 --> 01:52:27.680 of that and grow up in that. And then you know, 2449 01:52:27.840 --> 01:52:31.079 got lucky and was hired for a full time position 2450 01:52:31.199 --> 01:52:32.479 at the end of my internship. 2451 01:52:32.520 --> 01:52:35.079 And and where was your first full time Was it 2452 01:52:35.159 --> 01:52:36.800 team admin? No? It was PR? 2453 01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:40.319 So I so I came on the PR team full 2454 01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:45.319 time January two thousand and eight, and uh did that 2455 01:52:45.359 --> 01:52:45.960 for two years. 2456 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:46.279 So I was. 2457 01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:49.920 I was on the PR team through the through the 2458 01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:50.600 title run. 2459 01:52:50.920 --> 01:52:51.600 Uh. 2460 01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:54.520 In fact, I don't even know where I this is. 2461 01:52:54.640 --> 01:52:56.039 This is a bummer to say I don't know where 2462 01:52:56.039 --> 01:52:57.560 it is. I'd have to go, I'd really have to 2463 01:52:57.600 --> 01:52:59.520 dig and try to find it. But I was in 2464 01:52:59.560 --> 01:53:02.239 the locker room with a video cameraund my shoulder when 2465 01:53:02.319 --> 01:53:06.600 David Beckham came in after after the final to congratulate, 2466 01:53:07.439 --> 01:53:09.960 to congratulate the guys. Yea, And I mean I had 2467 01:53:10.000 --> 01:53:13.840 it on video as far away as you wo. Yeah, 2468 01:53:13.880 --> 01:53:17.640 I don't, I don't, I don't the I don't know 2469 01:53:17.640 --> 01:53:18.399 where I ended. 2470 01:53:18.279 --> 01:53:20.479 Up, but I feel like I've seen that footage. 2471 01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:23.319 It's I think it's somewhere like I don't think it's gone, 2472 01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:26.119 but I would not be that easy to find, but. 2473 01:53:26.800 --> 01:53:28.800 Someday I probably should because it was. It was a 2474 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:29.399 cool moment. 2475 01:53:29.439 --> 01:53:31.319 But yeah, so was on the PR team and then 2476 01:53:31.439 --> 01:53:33.479 and then Garth brought me on as the team admin 2477 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:36.800 the next year and then worked as a team admin 2478 01:53:36.840 --> 01:53:39.680 for several years and worked my way up from there. 2479 01:53:40.239 --> 01:53:42.520 When Garth left, Wibel took over. 2480 01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:43.600 Wible brought me. 2481 01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:47.239 In his assistant GM and did that while Weibbs was 2482 01:53:47.239 --> 01:53:50.279 there and you know, started the Monarchs and it was 2483 01:53:50.319 --> 01:53:52.960 the first GM of the Monarchs and and got to 2484 01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:55.880 got to you know, dip my toe in those waters there. 2485 01:53:56.000 --> 01:54:00.800 And then when when Wibbs left, because guy the gym, 2486 01:54:00.840 --> 01:54:01.159 you're the. 2487 01:54:01.159 --> 01:54:04.560 Guy and that and built a really good club and 2488 01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:06.560 we'll appreciate it. We'll leave it there for now and 2489 01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:08.479 we'll do more on this coming up on the other side. 2490 01:54:08.520 --> 01:54:11.560 Elliott is live in studio. Elliott fall Is live in studio. 2491 01:54:11.600 --> 01:54:15.560 Former RSL General manager. Alrighty, So we talked about kind 2492 01:54:15.560 --> 01:54:18.239 of your path before the break that led you to 2493 01:54:18.279 --> 01:54:21.079 becoming the GM, and for the kids out there, it 2494 01:54:21.199 --> 01:54:23.960 is quite a story. In turn two thousand and seven 2495 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:28.479 general manager climbed his way up the up the ranks. 2496 01:54:28.840 --> 01:54:32.359 What was your reaction when de Looy at the time 2497 01:54:32.800 --> 01:54:36.520 told you, like, okay, Gig's yours. Were you intimidated, were 2498 01:54:36.520 --> 01:54:39.359 you surprised, were you grateful? Were you nervous? 2499 01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:41.840 What were what were those emotions? 2500 01:54:42.560 --> 01:54:44.600 I don't I don't know if I've ever said this publicly, 2501 01:54:44.840 --> 01:54:48.479 I might have told you I said, I don't want it. 2502 01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:50.760 Initially you pushed back a little bit. 2503 01:54:50.840 --> 01:54:56.000 Yeah, interesting, I said, you know, look, I appreciate it 2504 01:54:56.000 --> 01:55:00.960 the Loy, but you know, I I would love to 2505 01:55:00.960 --> 01:55:03.760 have a conversation about expanding my role, you know, but 2506 01:55:04.239 --> 01:55:08.840 you know, i'd i'd like to look at what it's 2507 01:55:09.000 --> 01:55:11.520 like in a slightly different capacity or something like that. 2508 01:55:12.399 --> 01:55:16.600 And he said, no, that's not that's not what we're 2509 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:20.720 talking about. And I said, you know, and look, I 2510 01:55:20.800 --> 01:55:23.880 obviously I had been the GM of the Monarchs. I 2511 01:55:24.000 --> 01:55:26.159 was the assistant GM of RSL. So it's not like 2512 01:55:26.199 --> 01:55:29.439 it was a job that I didn't understand. Like I 2513 01:55:29.520 --> 01:55:33.239 knew what the job was. I knew, I knew the 2514 01:55:33.279 --> 01:55:37.920 demands of the job. And but truthfully, I think part 2515 01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:41.439 of it was I also knew that when you take 2516 01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:47.800 that job, you're starting a clock on your position. 2517 01:55:48.000 --> 01:55:48.680 Yep, and you. 2518 01:55:49.159 --> 01:55:53.159 You you don't necessarily know when that clock ends, but 2519 01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:54.479 it's gonna end. 2520 01:55:56.880 --> 01:55:59.600 And I don't know. 2521 01:55:59.680 --> 01:56:02.520 That's not what I was, you know, I didn't necessarily 2522 01:56:02.560 --> 01:56:07.600 want that. I wanted you know, I wanted to be 2523 01:56:07.600 --> 01:56:12.239 at the club long term. So uh, all that said, 2524 01:56:12.760 --> 01:56:15.960 I mean I said I don't want it. Was there 2525 01:56:16.000 --> 01:56:18.000 ever any part of me that wasn't gonna take it? No, 2526 01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:19.800 of course, like I was, I was going to take 2527 01:56:19.800 --> 01:56:21.319 the job. I was excited about that. I mean, I 2528 01:56:21.640 --> 01:56:25.079 loved the job. It was fun, it was I think 2529 01:56:25.119 --> 01:56:28.960 it's a dream job. It's it's you know, millions of people. 2530 01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:30.199 Want that job. 2531 01:56:30.399 --> 01:56:32.680 No, you started as a coffee runner in two thousand 2532 01:56:32.680 --> 01:56:34.439 and seven, you worked your way up to GM and 2533 01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:34.800 the team. 2534 01:56:34.840 --> 01:56:38.800 It's a wild I was tearing down downsizing banners, rice ecles, 2535 01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:41.239 You know, yeah, I know anywhere, but like, you know, 2536 01:56:41.399 --> 01:56:46.880 for free, that's what I was doing. And then it, yeah, 2537 01:56:47.159 --> 01:56:49.159 it turned into what it turned into, and it was 2538 01:56:49.279 --> 01:56:51.840 it was unbelievable. It was an incredible ride. Like I 2539 01:56:51.840 --> 01:56:57.239 wouldn't trade a single bit of it for anything. But yeah, 2540 01:56:57.279 --> 01:57:00.560 so that was kind of my initial reaction. That's you know. 2541 01:57:00.600 --> 01:57:01.920 I was also really excited, and. 2542 01:57:01.880 --> 01:57:06.119 It was it was fun to get to to lead 2543 01:57:06.199 --> 01:57:10.880 the soccer side of the organization, and and uh, you know, 2544 01:57:11.319 --> 01:57:12.359 it was it was a good time. 2545 01:57:12.680 --> 01:57:12.880 Yeah. 2546 01:57:12.920 --> 01:57:16.479 You can be a mediocre senior VP of comms, temperamental, 2547 01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:19.079 emotional angry and stay with the club for twenty years. 2548 01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:20.560 But if you're the GM or the coach, you are 2549 01:57:20.640 --> 01:57:21.920 hired to be fired. You just are. 2550 01:57:22.000 --> 01:57:25.119 That's pro sports, Yeah, exactly, And and and look I 2551 01:57:25.159 --> 01:57:27.840 knew that like it it it's it is what it is. 2552 01:57:28.079 --> 01:57:35.479 So it's also and and this may I certainly hope 2553 01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:40.399 that this doesn't come off as I don't know exactly 2554 01:57:40.439 --> 01:57:43.439 what you'd say it comes off as, but in me 2555 01:57:43.560 --> 01:57:46.119 complaining or anything like that, but it's a it's a 2556 01:57:46.159 --> 01:57:54.880 really exhausting job. And uh I I gained a real 2557 01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:59.119 perspective and and a real understanding of why, you know, 2558 01:57:59.399 --> 01:58:02.840 people who are in those jobs don't stay in those 2559 01:58:02.920 --> 01:58:10.079 jobs forever. It's just it's it's it's all consuming. So uh, 2560 01:58:10.159 --> 01:58:12.880 it was, yeah, it was. It was a blast. It 2561 01:58:12.880 --> 01:58:14.920 was unbelievable ride. But I you know, I think it 2562 01:58:15.000 --> 01:58:20.640 also it worked out and we'll get there. We'll get 2563 01:58:20.640 --> 01:58:21.239 there in a moment. 2564 01:58:21.359 --> 01:58:26.560 What was what was the first major decision personnel wise 2565 01:58:26.640 --> 01:58:29.800 you made? You remember the first big decision you have 2566 01:58:29.880 --> 01:58:31.680 to you had to make personnel wise? You remember what 2567 01:58:31.720 --> 01:58:34.039 that was? 2568 01:58:34.359 --> 01:58:35.319 Selling Savorno? 2569 01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:42.880 I think, I mean we so I took over, it 2570 01:58:42.960 --> 01:58:45.159 was like August or September or whatever it was of 2571 01:58:45.199 --> 01:58:46.000 twenty nineteen. 2572 01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:50.760 Obviously there wasn't much to do at that point. 2573 01:58:50.800 --> 01:58:52.840 I mean, you know, we were a good team, made 2574 01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:54.359 the playoffs, made a little bit of a run in 2575 01:58:54.359 --> 01:58:56.039 the one a game in the playoffs. 2576 01:58:57.119 --> 01:58:58.399 You know, I think we lost to. 2577 01:59:01.000 --> 01:59:07.840 Seattle that year on the road, So so I guess 2578 01:59:08.199 --> 01:59:11.600 so then yeah, so then fast forward to the next offseason, 2579 01:59:11.760 --> 01:59:15.760 which of course turned into the COVID season, which was 2580 01:59:16.119 --> 01:59:23.960 its own wild, you know situation. But we had we 2581 01:59:24.079 --> 01:59:28.159 did sell Sava before COVID hit, So I guess, I 2582 01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:31.680 guess I would say selling Sava as was my first 2583 01:59:31.880 --> 01:59:34.600 major decision as the GM. I was, you know, I 2584 01:59:34.640 --> 01:59:36.600 that said I was involved in you know, a lot 2585 01:59:36.600 --> 01:59:40.840 of major decisions before that, but like with my with 2586 01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:42.600 with my name on the line, or my you know, 2587 01:59:42.680 --> 01:59:44.920 my name in lights, whatever you want to say, it was. 2588 01:59:44.960 --> 01:59:47.399 I think it was selling Sava, So you were. I'm 2589 01:59:47.399 --> 01:59:48.319 trying to do the time I do. 2590 01:59:48.439 --> 01:59:50.359 I don't remember what had for breakfast this morning, but 2591 01:59:50.359 --> 01:59:52.199 I'm trying to do the timeline here I do. 2592 01:59:52.279 --> 01:59:55.319 It was an uncrustable because they're so good, they're amazing. 2593 01:59:55.439 --> 01:59:59.680 You were named the GM prior to the COVID the 2594 01:59:59.720 --> 02:00:03.960 law drum. Okay, okay, okay, because I was wondering if 2595 02:00:03.960 --> 02:00:07.720 any of your reservation was steeped in the information that 2596 02:00:07.760 --> 02:00:09.680 the league was about to run the team and what 2597 02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:12.239 that was like. But you were the GM prior to that. Okay, okay, 2598 02:00:12.239 --> 02:00:15.920 So let's move over to that timeline now, Okay, Yeah, 2599 02:00:15.960 --> 02:00:16.680 So we. 2600 02:00:17.000 --> 02:00:21.520 Might need our own we might need several shows set 2601 02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:23.000 aside for this, for sure, And. 2602 02:00:22.960 --> 02:00:26.000 You're welcome back anytime, as you know. But it's wild 2603 02:00:26.000 --> 02:00:29.600 because I can remember. So this show just turned six 2604 02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:31.880 last week. We've been doing this six years. Now, which 2605 02:00:31.920 --> 02:00:34.520 both feels like yesterday and forever. It's hard for me 2606 02:00:34.560 --> 02:00:38.359 to quantify. But when I first, you know, was back 2607 02:00:38.399 --> 02:00:41.159 on air, a lot of people ask like, do you 2608 02:00:41.159 --> 02:00:43.359 think Elliot's up to the task, and I said, well, 2609 02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:46.199 only results will tell the story, because that's the way 2610 02:00:46.199 --> 02:00:49.119 this thing goes. I mean, it is more than almost 2611 02:00:49.199 --> 02:00:52.319 anything else or results orientated business. Obviously, if you're in 2612 02:00:52.399 --> 02:00:54.680 other areas of commerce, you have to sell to make 2613 02:00:54.720 --> 02:00:58.159 money or whatever. But if it's a good team and 2614 02:00:58.199 --> 02:00:59.920 they win, then he's the guy. And if they go 2615 02:01:00.079 --> 02:01:02.680 the other way, then it was the wrong call. But 2616 02:01:04.079 --> 02:01:09.479 within three or four months of this show starting, Deloyd 2617 02:01:09.560 --> 02:01:13.960 goes on X ninety six in the morning and says 2618 02:01:14.000 --> 02:01:17.279 what he said, And there's this moment in time where 2619 02:01:17.920 --> 02:01:22.600 RSL employees are furloughed, MLS is canceled. They have the 2620 02:01:22.720 --> 02:01:25.239 MLS is Back Tournament, which is a name they actually 2621 02:01:25.239 --> 02:01:27.720 came up with and somebody approved, like the dumbest name 2622 02:01:27.760 --> 02:01:29.920 in the world. But suddenly we were gonna have an 2623 02:01:29.960 --> 02:01:32.800 RSL game. We know the deal. That was a summer 2624 02:01:32.840 --> 02:01:37.079 of real racial unrest and social justice and people expressing 2625 02:01:37.119 --> 02:01:40.000 themselves in a very specific way, no matter what side 2626 02:01:40.039 --> 02:01:41.279 of the aisle you're on. 2627 02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:43.800 That was a hot time in our country. 2628 02:01:43.800 --> 02:01:48.119 It was a passionate, heavy time where everybody was on 2629 02:01:48.319 --> 02:01:51.960 edge for a myriad of different reasons, whether it was 2630 02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:54.680 the person you didn't want in the White House being there, 2631 02:01:54.920 --> 02:01:59.479 a pandemic potentially killing people, or you know George Floyd 2632 02:01:59.560 --> 02:02:03.520 situation where everybody was really everything was heightened. 2633 02:02:03.600 --> 02:02:04.720 Okay, so you. 2634 02:02:04.680 --> 02:02:06.399 Want to throw you want to throw the earthquake in 2635 02:02:06.399 --> 02:02:09.039 there too, because it happened right around then, two earthquakes. 2636 02:02:09.159 --> 02:02:11.520 Yeah, I'm living downtown, man, I thought we were all dying. 2637 02:02:12.439 --> 02:02:15.720 So delay goes on X ninety six. You know I 2638 02:02:15.720 --> 02:02:22.000 should rewind. RSL game is canceled, Okay. Players decide to protest, right. 2639 02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:25.000 Yeah, to be clear, every game of the league. 2640 02:02:24.840 --> 02:02:27.720 Yes, RSL, along with every other team in the league, 2641 02:02:27.720 --> 02:02:31.000 decides to stand in solidarity with the message, and we're 2642 02:02:31.000 --> 02:02:34.279 not playing. Deloyde takes that as an affront, which, by 2643 02:02:34.279 --> 02:02:35.399 the way, I understood at the time. 2644 02:02:35.439 --> 02:02:35.880 I get it. 2645 02:02:35.960 --> 02:02:37.640 You know, all the work they put in to make 2646 02:02:37.680 --> 02:02:41.720 this event happen. Bringing employees back the we furloughed goes 2647 02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:45.439 on X ninety six. This expresses his disappointment. My phone 2648 02:02:45.720 --> 02:02:48.560 blows up in a way that it very rarely blows up. 2649 02:02:49.239 --> 02:02:51.720 And then an hour later it's decided he's coming on 2650 02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:56.600 this show to apologize, and I'm like, all right, I mean, 2651 02:02:57.079 --> 02:02:59.279 he owns the station, he owns the team. If this 2652 02:02:59.319 --> 02:03:02.680 is the deal, this is deal. Unfortunately damage was done 2653 02:03:02.680 --> 02:03:05.039 at that point. Did the best I could to give 2654 02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:08.039 Deloyd the space to express himself, which I thought he 2655 02:03:08.079 --> 02:03:12.159 did in a very deloy way, to try to walk 2656 02:03:12.239 --> 02:03:14.319 it back a little bit, but the damage was already done. 2657 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:18.880 And then Deloyd decides, this is something that's been lost 2658 02:03:18.880 --> 02:03:19.359 in history. 2659 02:03:19.680 --> 02:03:21.439 He was not forced to sell the soccer team. 2660 02:03:21.880 --> 02:03:25.600 He decided he did not want to have the headache 2661 02:03:25.600 --> 02:03:27.720 anymore and also was in an equity position to make 2662 02:03:27.760 --> 02:03:29.880 some money. Okay, so he made a calculated decision to 2663 02:03:29.880 --> 02:03:32.199 say what you want about Deloy's not dumb. Okay, sure 2664 02:03:32.800 --> 02:03:34.439 as far as his business actionment goes. 2665 02:03:34.760 --> 02:03:37.960 By the way, this is not to take us on attengent, 2666 02:03:38.119 --> 02:03:43.279 but this is this is something like the scenario you 2667 02:03:43.399 --> 02:03:47.520 just laid out is actually not really indifferent from nearly 2668 02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:50.960 every team in every professional sport that where the owner 2669 02:03:51.000 --> 02:03:53.760 has been seemingly pushed out of the league. Like people 2670 02:03:53.960 --> 02:03:56.960 people perceive the owner to have been forced out. They 2671 02:03:57.000 --> 02:04:00.239 almost always make that decision on their own. It's so 2672 02:04:00.239 --> 02:04:04.239 so so difficult to force somebody out in these situations, right, 2673 02:04:04.960 --> 02:04:06.119 It just it almost never happened. 2674 02:04:06.119 --> 02:04:07.560 Don't even know if it ever has happened. 2675 02:04:07.720 --> 02:04:09.800 Yeah, but I think that was the narrative, like, oh, no, 2676 02:04:09.880 --> 02:04:11.800 it is That's what I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, he said 2677 02:04:11.840 --> 02:04:16.000 some things that hurt some people's feelings and MLS said, okay, 2678 02:04:16.039 --> 02:04:16.880 you have to sell the team. 2679 02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:17.800 That's not how it went down. 2680 02:04:18.319 --> 02:04:21.319 And I sat with him before he decided to do 2681 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:23.079 it because we were talking about some other things. 2682 02:04:23.199 --> 02:04:25.079 He walked me through the process. Totally understood. 2683 02:04:25.520 --> 02:04:27.479 You know, was again in a position to make some 2684 02:04:27.520 --> 02:04:29.600 money and he has gone on to do some other 2685 02:04:29.640 --> 02:04:33.359 things with his life as opposed to dealing with, you know, 2686 02:04:33.520 --> 02:04:36.520 owning a soccer team, which comes with its own headaches, ye, 2687 02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:39.000 which I am uniquely familiar with. 2688 02:04:39.199 --> 02:04:40.720 Sure, But how was. 2689 02:04:40.760 --> 02:04:45.279 That situation digested by the front office of the club 2690 02:04:45.359 --> 02:04:48.319 when all that went down, and when you realized that 2691 02:04:48.359 --> 02:04:50.560 there was going to be an ownership transition and for 2692 02:04:50.600 --> 02:04:52.640 a moment in time you were going to report to 2693 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:54.479 the league because they were going to operate the team 2694 02:04:55.000 --> 02:04:56.239 while Deloy found a buyer. 2695 02:04:56.279 --> 02:05:02.600 What was that like for you because gave shot. 2696 02:05:03.439 --> 02:05:06.800 Yeah, certainly, and and look to take a step back 2697 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:08.600 on the on the Deloye side of this. I mean, 2698 02:05:11.039 --> 02:05:15.000 I am not like, I'm not defending the things that 2699 02:05:15.359 --> 02:05:16.560 you know that Deloy said. 2700 02:05:16.760 --> 02:05:17.079 I'm not. 2701 02:05:18.039 --> 02:05:24.359 I they weren't they weren't things that that can be said. 2702 02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:30.359 But I also kind of, like you alluded to, you 2703 02:05:30.439 --> 02:05:31.319 understood where he. 2704 02:05:31.319 --> 02:05:32.039 Was coming from. 2705 02:05:32.199 --> 02:05:35.359 It's it's I I'm not saying I understood where he 2706 02:05:35.399 --> 02:05:38.640 was coming from. But I think Deloy. I think Deloy 2707 02:05:38.800 --> 02:05:44.920 was a very complex Uh He's a very complex person. 2708 02:05:46.079 --> 02:05:50.560 And I think, you know, he said things that I 2709 02:05:50.640 --> 02:05:52.439 have no I've never spoken to him about it. I 2710 02:05:52.479 --> 02:05:54.119 don't know if he would, you know, I don't know 2711 02:05:54.119 --> 02:05:56.760 what he would say about what he said at this point. 2712 02:05:56.840 --> 02:06:02.479 But again, things that that, yeah, you can't say and 2713 02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:05.159 shouldn't have been said. But I also think that there 2714 02:06:05.199 --> 02:06:07.800 were you know, he he wanted to do right by 2715 02:06:07.840 --> 02:06:08.960 people at you know. 2716 02:06:08.960 --> 02:06:09.600 A lot of the time. 2717 02:06:09.680 --> 02:06:11.439 I mean, he he he did a lot of hard 2718 02:06:11.520 --> 02:06:14.800 work for a lot of people, and so it's it 2719 02:06:15.159 --> 02:06:18.319 is a complex situation. So I I that was a 2720 02:06:18.359 --> 02:06:22.920 wild That mean, that dynamic in and of itself was 2721 02:06:22.920 --> 02:06:26.119 was kind of wild. And and to your point, having 2722 02:06:26.159 --> 02:06:28.720 been given a chance by Deloy and all of those things, 2723 02:06:28.760 --> 02:06:30.680 and you know, so obviously I had I had a 2724 02:06:30.720 --> 02:06:37.520 relationship with Deloy. The that said, I mean, it was 2725 02:06:37.560 --> 02:06:41.800 the wildest time I can remember in my life. I mean, 2726 02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:47.159 it was that that forty eight hours or whatever it was. 2727 02:06:47.439 --> 02:06:52.159 I mean, it was sleepless, it was you know, on 2728 02:06:52.279 --> 02:06:55.560 the phone, constantly talking to people, like trying to trying 2729 02:06:55.560 --> 02:06:58.840 to even get a grasp for like what how to 2730 02:06:58.840 --> 02:07:00.479 handle it, what to do? I mean, it's just such 2731 02:07:00.479 --> 02:07:03.159 a unique situation that there's no preparing you for that. 2732 02:07:06.079 --> 02:07:10.439 There's you know, the kind of the firestorm of it all. 2733 02:07:10.560 --> 02:07:13.920 And uh, it was, it was a it was a 2734 02:07:13.920 --> 02:07:16.680 wild experience. I don't I don't even I don't know 2735 02:07:16.720 --> 02:07:21.439 how else to say it. I It's not something I'd 2736 02:07:21.439 --> 02:07:23.479 never want to go through again. I mean, it was, 2737 02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:29.920 it was emotional, it was challenging. And so yeah, did 2738 02:07:29.960 --> 02:07:32.159 he tell you personally that he was selling. 2739 02:07:33.720 --> 02:07:36.920 Yeah, to get that information, Yeah, he yeah, he did. 2740 02:07:38.399 --> 02:07:38.560 You know. 2741 02:07:38.760 --> 02:07:42.319 There was also and and I don't remember kind of 2742 02:07:42.359 --> 02:07:47.760 sequentially how things happened, but there in addition to you know, 2743 02:07:47.800 --> 02:07:53.399 I had I've probably like I probably had one conversation 2744 02:07:53.479 --> 02:08:01.199 with Deloye after the you know, that day. But it 2745 02:08:01.319 --> 02:08:03.439 was a conversation where he you know, kind of walked 2746 02:08:03.439 --> 02:08:06.520 me through what was happening. And then there was also 2747 02:08:07.359 --> 02:08:09.279 the league was stepping in, so the league was also 2748 02:08:09.680 --> 02:08:13.319 kind of giving us information and that's when John Kimball 2749 02:08:13.399 --> 02:08:16.399 came in, and so getting information from John. So I 2750 02:08:16.439 --> 02:08:19.880 don't remember kind of which, Yeah, I don't remember what 2751 02:08:20.079 --> 02:08:23.079 order it happened in, but you know I heard it 2752 02:08:23.119 --> 02:08:24.239 from from all those sides. 2753 02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:28.319 Yeah, and Deloitte compartmentalized in a very interesting way. 2754 02:08:28.359 --> 02:08:29.720 I mean when he was done, he was done. 2755 02:08:29.840 --> 02:08:32.239 You know, he's at my time and now it's time 2756 02:08:32.279 --> 02:08:33.720 for somebody else and I'm going to go on and 2757 02:08:33.760 --> 02:08:35.800 do some other things of my life, which he's done. 2758 02:08:36.399 --> 02:08:39.760 So then you're reporting to the league prior to the 2759 02:08:40.039 --> 02:08:44.359 official transition, what was who were you talking to and 2760 02:08:44.399 --> 02:08:45.880 when you went to make a decision? 2761 02:08:46.119 --> 02:08:55.039 How did that mechanism work? We weren't really talking to anybody. 2762 02:08:55.119 --> 02:08:56.039 You were just doing your thing. 2763 02:08:56.439 --> 02:09:03.199 Well, I mean the edict was this, eventually, here's you know, 2764 02:09:03.560 --> 02:09:07.920 here's your budget. Your budget is it was basically, here, 2765 02:09:08.039 --> 02:09:14.920 your budget is what it was. We're not changing things. Yeah, yeah, 2766 02:09:15.159 --> 02:09:17.800 it was yeah, if there's a major decision that needs 2767 02:09:17.800 --> 02:09:20.359 to be made, like we want to be clued in. 2768 02:09:21.920 --> 02:09:22.640 And that was. 2769 02:09:24.119 --> 02:09:27.359 More or less directly like with the Commissioner's office. It 2770 02:09:27.399 --> 02:09:30.800 wasn't with you know, down himself, but with his office, 2771 02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:35.119 and you know he works very closely so for me, 2772 02:09:35.720 --> 02:09:39.319 like on the player side, you know. 2773 02:09:39.520 --> 02:09:39.680 The. 2774 02:09:41.880 --> 02:09:44.760 Todd Durban who runs the player side of of MLS. 2775 02:09:46.159 --> 02:09:48.239 I had a few conversations with Todd here and there, 2776 02:09:48.359 --> 02:09:51.880 but again it wasn't they were they were great, and 2777 02:09:51.920 --> 02:09:53.640 they they let us do our thing. 2778 02:09:53.840 --> 02:09:54.680 They did, let. 2779 02:09:54.600 --> 02:10:00.479 Us just execute and in in some ways it was 2780 02:10:00.520 --> 02:10:07.479 the most rewarding time I had there because and this 2781 02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:09.520 isn't I really I don't really mean this as a 2782 02:10:09.560 --> 02:10:13.640 shot at any any of the ownership situations that we had, 2783 02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:18.239 but it was the one where we it was okay, 2784 02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:21.319 go ahead, do your thing. Like you guys have a plan, 2785 02:10:21.439 --> 02:10:24.159 you have a process, go ahead, execute the plan in 2786 02:10:24.199 --> 02:10:27.359 the process, and you know, we'll let you know if 2787 02:10:27.359 --> 02:10:28.439 anything's going to change. 2788 02:10:29.920 --> 02:10:31.760 And that's what we did. 2789 02:10:32.960 --> 02:10:34.920 And if you remember, you know, we made a run 2790 02:10:34.960 --> 02:10:38.000 to the conference finals so you know, and there were 2791 02:10:38.079 --> 02:10:41.479 ups and downs. I don't I'm not pretending that it was, 2792 02:10:41.800 --> 02:10:44.279 you know, the easiest thing ever, but it was. It 2793 02:10:44.319 --> 02:10:47.680 was rewarding then to have those successes and that was 2794 02:10:47.720 --> 02:10:48.560 a lot of fun. 2795 02:10:48.760 --> 02:10:50.520 Had to be a little bit liberating, not to be 2796 02:10:50.600 --> 02:10:53.720 micromanaged too. But right, maybe like you have a little freedom. 2797 02:10:54.159 --> 02:10:58.680 Yeah, I mean, no question about it. I think I 2798 02:10:58.680 --> 02:11:00.920 think I learned a lot from that time. I'm you know, 2799 02:11:02.319 --> 02:11:07.039 about what it takes to successfully lead as well. And 2800 02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:10.279 to your point, it is in a lot of cases 2801 02:11:11.319 --> 02:11:16.920 to step away and to say I hired you. I 2802 02:11:16.960 --> 02:11:19.119 hired you to do this job. Go do the job 2803 02:11:19.640 --> 02:11:23.880 and let me know if you need anything. I don't 2804 02:11:24.159 --> 02:11:26.079 need you to tell me every step of the way. 2805 02:11:26.279 --> 02:11:30.079 Obviously as things go, I want to just know what's happening. 2806 02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:34.880 But I don't, you know, And I think that is 2807 02:11:35.039 --> 02:11:41.640 how really successful organizations in any in sports, in business, 2808 02:11:41.760 --> 02:11:48.760 in anything, are built. That's that's that's how you you know, 2809 02:11:49.000 --> 02:11:52.279 that's true leadership to me, So I learned a lot 2810 02:11:52.279 --> 02:11:52.640 about it. 2811 02:11:52.920 --> 02:11:55.880 I learned a lot, all right. I thought we might 2812 02:11:55.880 --> 02:11:57.760 get long winded, so we got a couple of minutes here. 2813 02:11:57.920 --> 02:11:59.920 So it's a couple of different things. It goes fast 2814 02:12:00.000 --> 02:12:04.600 when you're talking about interesting things. So let's move over 2815 02:12:04.640 --> 02:12:06.600 to the space of the club that you built, and 2816 02:12:06.880 --> 02:12:07.560 it's interesting. 2817 02:12:08.000 --> 02:12:10.279 Soccer fans are just miserable people. They just are. 2818 02:12:10.960 --> 02:12:13.600 And you know, I think you took a lot of 2819 02:12:13.600 --> 02:12:16.840 flak from people that wondered if you were just a lackey. 2820 02:12:17.399 --> 02:12:19.319 I wondered if you were up to the task. 2821 02:12:20.399 --> 02:12:23.279 And I know you're not like actively on social media, 2822 02:12:23.920 --> 02:12:26.319 but in acdotally you and I went to watch an 2823 02:12:26.439 --> 02:12:30.720 RSL game a couple of years back after after you 2824 02:12:30.760 --> 02:12:33.279 were let go, and we went into beer bar and 2825 02:12:33.319 --> 02:12:36.279 they started booing, and I wondered if they were booing 2826 02:12:36.279 --> 02:12:38.119 you when we walked in. It turns out they were 2827 02:12:38.119 --> 02:12:40.680 booing the game. But I'm like, wait, did they say yeah? 2828 02:12:40.720 --> 02:12:43.199 I honestly thought they were booing you. But you took 2829 02:12:43.199 --> 02:12:46.039 a lot of flat during the course of the roster construct. 2830 02:12:46.279 --> 02:12:50.159 But really what it culminated in is and best laid 2831 02:12:50.159 --> 02:12:53.640 plans aside, because sports is so fickle. For a moment 2832 02:12:53.680 --> 02:12:55.800 in time, you may have built the best team we 2833 02:12:55.880 --> 02:12:58.039 had here, and I truly believe that to be true. 2834 02:12:58.760 --> 02:13:00.680 And I can remember when I heard about the chee 2835 02:13:00.720 --> 02:13:04.560 cho stuff, and I went, damn it, Like I had 2836 02:13:04.560 --> 02:13:10.960 this gut feeling that this could derail it, like derail everything, and. 2837 02:13:10.399 --> 02:13:12.840 In retrospect, it kind of did, right. 2838 02:13:12.920 --> 02:13:16.640 And obviously that's nothing that you could control or new ownership. 2839 02:13:16.800 --> 02:13:20.039 Dave Blitzer, Scott Chrace, Ryan Smith, nobody was able to 2840 02:13:20.079 --> 02:13:24.720 control the mitigating circumstances. But what was it like to 2841 02:13:25.039 --> 02:13:28.159 build that team that last year for a moment in time, 2842 02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:31.000 certainly the most entertaining soccer we've seen here and had 2843 02:13:31.039 --> 02:13:33.680 a chance to be really really special if things just 2844 02:13:33.720 --> 02:13:35.159 would have kind of stayed clean. 2845 02:13:35.479 --> 02:13:38.800 Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's a really kind of complex 2846 02:13:38.800 --> 02:13:43.960 set of emotions because on the one hand, it's rewarding 2847 02:13:43.960 --> 02:13:46.880 to look at it and say, yeah, like, look at 2848 02:13:46.920 --> 02:13:50.159 the decisions we made. And while I was there, I 2849 02:13:50.199 --> 02:13:52.600 think we were able to You don't get every decision right, 2850 02:13:52.640 --> 02:13:55.640 there's no there's no chance, of course, but I think 2851 02:13:55.680 --> 02:13:58.920 we were able to, you know, to hit for a 2852 02:13:58.920 --> 02:14:02.279 really good average and and put ourselves in a position where, 2853 02:14:02.880 --> 02:14:06.359 you know, we got a few major decisions right, and 2854 02:14:06.359 --> 02:14:08.840 and it felt like it was starting to snowball, and then, 2855 02:14:09.039 --> 02:14:11.640 you know, to your point, especially at the beginning of 2856 02:14:11.680 --> 02:14:18.319 the last year. It was looking really good. But there's 2857 02:14:18.359 --> 02:14:20.520 the flip side of that, which was, yeah, but I 2858 02:14:20.560 --> 02:14:23.399 didn't get to be there for for a part of that. 2859 02:14:23.720 --> 02:14:25.279 I mean, I was there for part of it. It's 2860 02:14:25.279 --> 02:14:29.319 not that I didn't get to experience any of it, 2861 02:14:29.359 --> 02:14:31.039 but I didn't get to be there for for a 2862 02:14:31.079 --> 02:14:33.119 part of it. And and that was you know that 2863 02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:37.640 it's kind of hard, but it's also sports miss the 2864 02:14:37.640 --> 02:14:40.239 way it is, it's it's fine. 2865 02:14:40.760 --> 02:14:41.239 So yeah, it was. 2866 02:14:41.479 --> 02:14:48.199 It was complex, but it was I I'm proud of 2867 02:14:48.239 --> 02:14:50.279 what we did while I was there, and and I 2868 02:14:50.319 --> 02:14:56.600 don't have too many regrets. I don't have, you know, 2869 02:14:57.520 --> 02:15:00.399 I'm not. I'm not bitter about it. I had I 2870 02:15:00.439 --> 02:15:02.840 had great experiences. I had a lot of good times. 2871 02:15:02.880 --> 02:15:06.960 And you know that chapter is basically over. 2872 02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:09.920 Do you have any regrets about the Chia show stuff, 2873 02:15:10.079 --> 02:15:14.199 because the interesting part of it is there there was 2874 02:15:14.239 --> 02:15:17.119 some baggage there, right, I mean, in fairness, there was 2875 02:15:17.159 --> 02:15:21.079 some baggage there. But when he was dialed in, when 2876 02:15:21.079 --> 02:15:24.279 he was when he was fit, when he was committed, 2877 02:15:24.399 --> 02:15:28.560 when he was doing cheat show things, you can the 2878 02:15:28.600 --> 02:15:31.720 talent is so obvious. So two part questions, do you 2879 02:15:31.760 --> 02:15:33.640 have any regrets about the chea show thing? And where 2880 02:15:33.640 --> 02:15:37.079 were you when you heard the suspension was coming? And 2881 02:15:37.359 --> 02:15:39.640 did you feel the same way I did, like this 2882 02:15:39.680 --> 02:15:41.439 could be a really ominous thing. 2883 02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:47.800 Do I have any regrets? Well, I'll answer the other 2884 02:15:47.880 --> 02:15:49.560 question first, because that's a little more start forward. 2885 02:15:49.760 --> 02:15:51.840 I don't. Actually I don't remember where I was. 2886 02:15:54.600 --> 02:15:59.279 You know, it's you know how sports are, like it's 2887 02:15:59.319 --> 02:16:04.680 all fickle and and you never know what can kind 2888 02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:05.800 of derail things. 2889 02:16:06.119 --> 02:16:09.640 So to be. 2890 02:16:09.600 --> 02:16:14.359 Completely honest, I wasn't paying close enough attention or dialed 2891 02:16:14.359 --> 02:16:18.279 in enough too, you know, and I didn't. I still 2892 02:16:18.359 --> 02:16:21.279 don't really know what happened, Like I don't, I don't know. 2893 02:16:22.439 --> 02:16:22.920 I don't know. 2894 02:16:23.760 --> 02:16:27.000 I just know kind of what has has come out publicly, 2895 02:16:27.119 --> 02:16:34.079 and so I you know, I would be lying if 2896 02:16:34.079 --> 02:16:36.280 I told you I knew why. I had a really 2897 02:16:36.280 --> 02:16:38.799 great feeling about what was going to happen. Either way, 2898 02:16:40.120 --> 02:16:45.760 as for regrets, like no, I don't have regrets. I mean, look, 2899 02:16:45.799 --> 02:16:48.520 you say there was baggage. I don't even kind of 2900 02:16:48.559 --> 02:16:52.040 don't even know what baggage you're referring to. Like when 2901 02:16:52.120 --> 02:16:55.000 we did background checks, when like he was fine, like 2902 02:16:55.600 --> 02:16:57.719 you talked to he talk to LAFC guys. 2903 02:16:57.479 --> 02:16:59.559 Like they adored him. 2904 02:16:59.680 --> 02:17:03.280 There were locker room issues, there weren't behavioral issues like 2905 02:17:03.360 --> 02:17:07.600 that wasn't that wasn't something that that wasn't something that 2906 02:17:07.639 --> 02:17:10.239 came up really at all. You had conversations with him, 2907 02:17:10.319 --> 02:17:15.719 he was engaged. Yeah, he's a personality, sure, and a 2908 02:17:15.760 --> 02:17:19.840 lot of guys are and you know, respectfully, like that's 2909 02:17:19.879 --> 02:17:23.799 where that the league is headed. Like as you get better, 2910 02:17:23.840 --> 02:17:26.639 you deal with bigger personalities. Like that's that's the nature 2911 02:17:26.680 --> 02:17:30.120 of sports, you know, when when you don't have the 2912 02:17:30.159 --> 02:17:32.440 top guys, you also don't have the top egos and 2913 02:17:32.479 --> 02:17:36.200 you don't have the top you know, personalities. 2914 02:17:37.840 --> 02:17:41.479 So yeah, no, I don't have regrets. I mean I don't. 2915 02:17:42.239 --> 02:17:44.440 You're never gonna get everything right and like, but I 2916 02:17:44.479 --> 02:17:46.840 look back on it, and I think we we checked 2917 02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:48.239 as many boxes as we could all. 2918 02:17:48.239 --> 02:17:50.319 Right before I said you loose went on this and 2919 02:17:50.399 --> 02:17:52.360 there's a lot of meat on this bone we haven't 2920 02:17:52.360 --> 02:17:58.879 even touched for sure. They elected to kind of break 2921 02:17:58.920 --> 02:18:01.760 it down brick by brick, and I'm sure they have 2922 02:18:01.840 --> 02:18:05.079 their reasons. I think andres was proof of concept. So 2923 02:18:05.120 --> 02:18:08.000 you go get your check. I get it. But you know, 2924 02:18:08.200 --> 02:18:11.520 chi Cho Matt Crooks and oh like, the majority of 2925 02:18:11.520 --> 02:18:15.639 the best attacking players were let go and the majority 2926 02:18:15.719 --> 02:18:18.360 of the money was not reinvested in talent. Now, we 2927 02:18:18.399 --> 02:18:20.840 don't need to get into MLS as a singularity to 2928 02:18:21.159 --> 02:18:23.040 educate our listeners as to what that means. 2929 02:18:23.040 --> 02:18:25.399 So it's not necessarily Yeah, I don't think that has 2930 02:18:25.399 --> 02:18:26.799 anything to do with it. But they did. 2931 02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:30.200 But they elected to break it down and get rid 2932 02:18:30.280 --> 02:18:33.719 of most of the attacking players and in my estimation, 2933 02:18:34.120 --> 02:18:35.959 did not do a good enough job at least to 2934 02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:38.280 this point at bringing in reinforcements. 2935 02:18:38.280 --> 02:18:41.399 We'll see what these new two players are able to bring. 2936 02:18:41.520 --> 02:18:43.360 But there are two points below the line with eight 2937 02:18:43.399 --> 02:18:45.040 matches to play, and it's gonna be tough for them 2938 02:18:45.079 --> 02:18:47.879 even to make the playoffs. So last thing, what do 2939 02:18:47.920 --> 02:18:49.559 you make of where the club finds itself now? 2940 02:18:50.879 --> 02:18:54.440 I you know, yeah, it's I mean, you never it'd 2941 02:18:54.479 --> 02:18:57.600 be hard to say, Oh, you got to feel awesome 2942 02:18:58.600 --> 02:19:01.159 when you're below the line. I'm late in the season. 2943 02:19:01.200 --> 02:19:03.479 I mean, that's always a hard place that we've been there. 2944 02:19:03.680 --> 02:19:06.120 I like, I know how that feels, and you don't 2945 02:19:06.120 --> 02:19:11.760 feel good about it. Kind of to your bigger question, Yeah, 2946 02:19:11.879 --> 02:19:14.120 I think and again, I'm not there. 2947 02:19:14.280 --> 02:19:14.920 I don't know. 2948 02:19:15.360 --> 02:19:17.440 I don't know all the reasons for the decisions that 2949 02:19:17.440 --> 02:19:19.680 were made. I don't you know, I can speculate just 2950 02:19:19.719 --> 02:19:22.239 like anybody else can. But if I've learned one thing 2951 02:19:22.319 --> 02:19:24.559 when you're like when you work in a front office 2952 02:19:24.639 --> 02:19:28.920 is like from the outside, you have ten percent of 2953 02:19:28.920 --> 02:19:30.399 the information if you're lucky. 2954 02:19:30.559 --> 02:19:32.760 Yeah, So like I don't. 2955 02:19:32.959 --> 02:19:35.319 I don't want to pretend to have information and be 2956 02:19:35.440 --> 02:19:38.520 able to say definitively, oh, this was the wrong thing 2957 02:19:38.559 --> 02:19:39.799 to do, or this was the right thing to do. 2958 02:19:40.200 --> 02:19:40.399 You know. 2959 02:19:40.520 --> 02:19:43.079 Yeah, the Andres one like that makes a lot of sense, 2960 02:19:43.200 --> 02:19:45.079 and it is proof of concept. And if you can, 2961 02:19:46.000 --> 02:19:49.719 you know, four x your investment in eighteen months, it 2962 02:19:49.760 --> 02:19:51.559 is proof of concept and it allows you to go 2963 02:19:51.600 --> 02:19:54.159 back and say, see, this is how we can you know, 2964 02:19:54.239 --> 02:19:56.079 this is how we can make money. That that was 2965 02:19:56.120 --> 02:20:00.079 the whole idea of signing Andres was to invest and 2966 02:20:00.159 --> 02:20:03.520 he you know, before he broke out and then and 2967 02:20:03.520 --> 02:20:05.559 and I think Chicho was a huge part of that 2968 02:20:05.879 --> 02:20:10.079 return because you know, a young guy like Andres who's dynamic, 2969 02:20:10.399 --> 02:20:13.159 has to have a somebody to teach him how to 2970 02:20:13.159 --> 02:20:15.440 be a pro on the field, and somebody to be 2971 02:20:15.479 --> 02:20:17.319 demanding of him on the field, and on top of that, 2972 02:20:18.319 --> 02:20:20.360 somebody to finish the chances that he's going to create. 2973 02:20:20.479 --> 02:20:23.440 And so I think I think that was you know, 2974 02:20:24.719 --> 02:20:27.159 to me, those are the things that that really kind 2975 02:20:27.200 --> 02:20:32.079 of became difficult to replace. And and yeah, I guess 2976 02:20:32.079 --> 02:20:36.159 you know, they haven't been replaced. I think all of 2977 02:20:36.200 --> 02:20:40.799 those individual situations, yeah, in a vacuum, like they probably 2978 02:20:40.879 --> 02:20:42.959 make some sense, but when you look at him on 2979 02:20:43.040 --> 02:20:46.040 the whole, it's, yeah, it's tough because you need to 2980 02:20:46.159 --> 02:20:50.760 then reinvest and you need like Diego has been unbelievable, right, 2981 02:20:50.879 --> 02:20:53.840 Like Diego's great, and you kind of knew when I 2982 02:20:53.879 --> 02:20:57.159 was there we signed Diego, Like you could tell he 2983 02:20:57.159 --> 02:20:59.399 he had something different about him, did you do you 2984 02:20:59.440 --> 02:21:02.000 know he's going to make it? No, but you know 2985 02:21:02.040 --> 02:21:04.120 you knew that, you knew there was something about him. 2986 02:21:04.239 --> 02:21:11.280 So he's he's flourished. But in this league, like you 2987 02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:13.680 you have to keep investing, and you have to keep 2988 02:21:14.680 --> 02:21:17.600 like the one thing I'll say is even the top 2989 02:21:17.639 --> 02:21:21.920 teams across the board almost like it's still a league 2990 02:21:21.920 --> 02:21:23.719 where it's hard to hold on to your best players. 2991 02:21:24.120 --> 02:21:27.520 Like they move around the league, they move, they move 2992 02:21:27.559 --> 02:21:30.920 to Europe. Like, to be really successful year in and 2993 02:21:31.040 --> 02:21:33.760 year out just requires you to be really disciplined in 2994 02:21:33.760 --> 02:21:38.719 your decision making process. And you know, I think for 2995 02:21:38.959 --> 02:21:42.360 any number of reasons, those things can be challenging. I think, 2996 02:21:42.440 --> 02:21:44.520 you know, it always starts at the top. It starts 2997 02:21:44.559 --> 02:21:47.719 with ownership, and it starts with you know, investment, and 2998 02:21:47.760 --> 02:21:51.799 then and then the structure underneath that. And and I'm like, 2999 02:21:52.760 --> 02:21:56.680 I'm not saying any individual part of that or collectively 3000 02:21:56.760 --> 02:21:58.639 it isn't there. I don't I don't know. I'm not 3001 02:21:58.719 --> 02:22:01.280 in the building. And like obviously it's a new ownership. 3002 02:22:01.280 --> 02:22:04.120 I don't even know the new owners right, it's you know, 3003 02:22:04.200 --> 02:22:07.040 it's it's a it's a totally different place than when 3004 02:22:07.040 --> 02:22:07.520 I left it. 3005 02:22:07.639 --> 02:22:09.799 Yep, there's no doubt. Look, there's a lot more we 3006 02:22:09.840 --> 02:22:11.959 could do, and we'll do it soon. So thanks for 3007 02:22:12.000 --> 02:22:14.520 the time, man, be good with chat. 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Going to 3063 02:25:02.399 --> 02:25:05.440 be back on air after a little time off. Great 3064 02:25:05.440 --> 02:25:07.079 time of year, a little bit of everything going on 3065 02:25:07.159 --> 02:25:09.719 of course, high speed out of college football. Monday Night 3066 02:25:09.719 --> 02:25:13.200 Football tonight is the Bengals and the Commanders, and then 3067 02:25:13.239 --> 02:25:15.879 week zero will start on Saturday with the big game 3068 02:25:15.920 --> 02:25:19.479 over in Dublin between Iowa State and k State. So 3069 02:25:19.559 --> 02:25:21.799 a lot of football on the show college football as 3070 02:25:21.840 --> 02:25:23.920 we move most of our coverage over to that space 3071 02:25:24.040 --> 02:25:25.799 in the coming weeks and months. 3072 02:25:26.319 --> 02:25:29.000 Poor to have a confession to make. Are you ready 3073 02:25:29.040 --> 02:25:29.280 for it? 3074 02:25:29.360 --> 02:25:32.520 I am open to confessions. 3075 02:25:32.600 --> 02:25:35.639 So I will disappoint some of my friends in the market. 3076 02:25:35.680 --> 02:25:39.399 I will disappoint some of my golf fan friends. Over 3077 02:25:39.440 --> 02:25:42.840 the weekend in Indianapolis, I had the opportunity to attend 3078 02:25:43.680 --> 02:25:46.520 a live golf event and you broke a club there too, 3079 02:25:46.639 --> 02:25:50.399 I did not break a club. I still okay, this 3080 02:25:50.479 --> 02:25:53.559 is actually good news. We are in essentially late August 3081 02:25:54.120 --> 02:25:55.000 and I've not broken a. 3082 02:25:55.000 --> 02:25:55.799 Golf club this year. 3083 02:25:56.319 --> 02:25:58.399 That's pretty good clubs. 3084 02:25:58.600 --> 02:26:00.840 The over one hundred, I did not say. 3085 02:26:00.840 --> 02:26:03.079 I have not thrown, and certainly over the weekend there 3086 02:26:03.159 --> 02:26:05.000 may have been a couple of chucks because I thought 3087 02:26:05.000 --> 02:26:06.559 I was going low and I very much did not. 3088 02:26:06.719 --> 02:26:09.959 But no breaks over under was set at one point five. 3089 02:26:09.959 --> 02:26:12.920 I'm gonna give myself one club break this year, but 3090 02:26:12.920 --> 02:26:15.879 I've not broken a club. But I'm a PGA tour guy. 3091 02:26:16.440 --> 02:26:18.680 But the CEO of Live Golf is a guy named 3092 02:26:18.680 --> 02:26:22.799 Scott O'Neil. Scott is a member of the LDS Church. 3093 02:26:23.040 --> 02:26:25.639 My family knows him. He worked at Madison Square Garden 3094 02:26:26.360 --> 02:26:28.399 and we reached out because we happened to be in 3095 02:26:28.399 --> 02:26:31.079 Indianapolis and said, hey, can you help us out getting 3096 02:26:31.120 --> 02:26:34.079 and he hooked us up with like the best access. 3097 02:26:34.680 --> 02:26:36.639 So I'm not a live goolf guy, never will be. 3098 02:26:36.840 --> 02:26:40.719 But saw Brooks, Kepka, Saw Bryson, Deshambeau, John and Rahm. 3099 02:26:40.719 --> 02:26:43.399 They've got some really good players and I am one 3100 02:26:43.440 --> 02:26:48.120 that is very rarely. Starstruck by celebrities does not happen 3101 02:26:48.239 --> 02:26:51.799 very often. Did you ever get starstruck by any celebrity? 3102 02:26:51.879 --> 02:26:53.360 Is there there have been a time where you saw 3103 02:26:53.399 --> 02:26:55.440 someone and you're like, oh, my gosh, that is that person. 3104 02:26:57.079 --> 02:26:59.360 Jordan is one that puts off a little bit of 3105 02:26:59.399 --> 02:27:02.360 an aura, right. I was around him enough that it 3106 02:27:02.479 --> 02:27:04.920 kind of faded off because he was kind of mean 3107 02:27:04.959 --> 02:27:10.280 to people. It's around, but not really outside of that, 3108 02:27:10.760 --> 02:27:14.600 especially not athletes. But when it comes to like maybe 3109 02:27:14.600 --> 02:27:18.000 a musician, right, Like I had the chance to say 3110 02:27:18.040 --> 02:27:20.719 one sentence to Willie Nelson and that was one of 3111 02:27:20.760 --> 02:27:24.719 the standouts of my entire life. So yeah, maybe that 3112 02:27:25.000 --> 02:27:27.000 maybe that, Like if I were ever to meet if 3113 02:27:27.000 --> 02:27:30.120 I were able to meet a Johnny Cash, that would 3114 02:27:30.120 --> 02:27:32.000 have been that would have been one of those moments. 3115 02:27:32.000 --> 02:27:35.399 But yeah, maybe there's something to that as well, folks 3116 02:27:35.399 --> 02:27:36.200 that aren't here anymore. 3117 02:27:36.280 --> 02:27:39.319 So we were sitting in they called the whole fifty 3118 02:27:39.360 --> 02:27:41.559 four to ten. It's the final hole of the tournament, 3119 02:27:41.600 --> 02:27:43.680 and you're there in the tent and it's a bunch 3120 02:27:43.719 --> 02:27:47.000 of like VIPs and we're sitting there watching the golf 3121 02:27:47.040 --> 02:27:49.079 and I turn around and I look over my shoulder, 3122 02:27:50.520 --> 02:27:53.159 and I turned to my son, I say, I think 3123 02:27:53.200 --> 02:27:57.360 that's Lauren Hill. Okay, who's one of my favorite hip 3124 02:27:57.399 --> 02:28:00.239 hop artists of all time. The Miseducation mis Education of 3125 02:28:00.319 --> 02:28:04.200 Lauren Hill. She was with the Fujis, and I didn't 3126 02:28:04.239 --> 02:28:06.159 know what to do. I was like frozen. Now, as 3127 02:28:06.159 --> 02:28:08.680 the story goes, Lauryn Hill left the music business because 3128 02:28:08.719 --> 02:28:12.120 she didn't like being famous, got a little trouble some taxes. 3129 02:28:12.159 --> 02:28:13.479 Our girl had to spend a lot of time in 3130 02:28:13.520 --> 02:28:14.840 the pen. Life goes on. 3131 02:28:15.879 --> 02:28:17.920 But I'd say to Connor, I'm like, you've got to 3132 02:28:18.000 --> 02:28:20.799 go around the other side and look behind me to 3133 02:28:20.840 --> 02:28:22.559 make sure that's her, And if it is, you got 3134 02:28:22.559 --> 02:28:25.319 to take a picture. Because she was literally standing three 3135 02:28:25.360 --> 02:28:29.639 feet over my left shoulder. So Connor walks down and 3136 02:28:29.799 --> 02:28:30.600 sees that it's her. 3137 02:28:31.280 --> 02:28:31.559 It is. 3138 02:28:31.680 --> 02:28:34.360 Lauryn Hill takes a picture, and the picture I have 3139 02:28:34.440 --> 02:28:37.239 honestly looks like we took it together. But I did 3140 02:28:37.280 --> 02:28:39.520 not have it inside of me to ask her to 3141 02:28:39.520 --> 02:28:42.559 take a picture or say hello. It was maybe the 3142 02:28:42.559 --> 02:28:44.879 first time in a long time that I was legitimately 3143 02:28:44.920 --> 02:28:48.639 starstruck that Lauren Hill had a golf tournament of all 3144 02:28:48.680 --> 02:28:51.399 people Lauren Hill is standing there and I didn't know 3145 02:28:51.440 --> 02:28:51.760 what to do. 3146 02:28:51.840 --> 02:28:52.840 I stopped in my tracks. 3147 02:28:52.959 --> 02:28:56.159 That actually is a good one, and it's funny I 3148 02:28:56.200 --> 02:29:00.840 mentioned Michael because there's something about like nineties culture where 3149 02:29:00.879 --> 02:29:04.479 there's a little mystique there. It's not the access you get. 3150 02:29:04.600 --> 02:29:08.840 Like for me, it wouldn't starstruck me to see Lebron 3151 02:29:09.520 --> 02:29:11.719 because I number one, we've seen him in person and 3152 02:29:11.760 --> 02:29:15.200 a bunch covering the jazz, but also because we know him, 3153 02:29:15.559 --> 02:29:18.239 we see everything he does, We see every Instagram thing, 3154 02:29:18.280 --> 02:29:21.079 we see all of it. Chris, Paul Russell, all these 3155 02:29:21.120 --> 02:29:25.200 guys we know kind of there's a mistique about the 3156 02:29:25.239 --> 02:29:29.399 Michael Jordan's obviously two POC guys that are not here anymore. 3157 02:29:29.600 --> 02:29:32.440 And Laura Hill along those lines, someone who had some 3158 02:29:32.479 --> 02:29:36.760 issues with the law. You know, she's got a little 3159 02:29:36.760 --> 02:29:37.639 bit of that mystique. 3160 02:29:37.639 --> 02:29:37.920 I think. 3161 02:29:37.920 --> 02:29:39.680 So I'm actually with you on that one. That one 3162 02:29:40.360 --> 02:29:41.559 would give me a little starstruck. 3163 02:29:41.559 --> 02:29:41.719 Two. 3164 02:29:41.760 --> 02:29:44.520 Yeah, such a talent and at a golf tournament of 3165 02:29:44.559 --> 02:29:46.559 all things. And the wildest part is she was close 3166 02:29:46.639 --> 02:29:49.120 enough that I could hear what she was saying. I 3167 02:29:49.159 --> 02:29:51.079 don't know if she plays, but she like knows golf. 3168 02:29:51.159 --> 02:29:53.920 Oh interesting, she was talking about like she's at that event, 3169 02:29:53.959 --> 02:29:55.600 she probably plays a little or. 3170 02:29:56.040 --> 02:29:57.680 I assume they like Peter or something. 3171 02:29:57.680 --> 02:29:59.319 But she was like, okay, John rom he's like one 3172 02:29:59.360 --> 02:30:01.239 hundred and seventy five yards out. This must be like 3173 02:30:01.239 --> 02:30:02.040 a pitching wedge fan. 3174 02:30:02.040 --> 02:30:04.520 I'm like, wait, Lauren Hill is like breaking down the 3175 02:30:04.559 --> 02:30:06.440 game of golf. It was. It was pretty wild. 3176 02:30:06.559 --> 02:30:09.280 So I did commit a cardinal sin for my friends 3177 02:30:09.280 --> 02:30:11.120 that loved the PGA Tour. I actually went to a 3178 02:30:11.159 --> 02:30:14.360 live golf event over the weekend. It's quite the atmosphere, 3179 02:30:14.399 --> 02:30:16.319 a lot of loud music, a lot of people having 3180 02:30:16.319 --> 02:30:18.239 a good time. They have a party hole as they 3181 02:30:18.319 --> 02:30:21.479 call it. So yeah, I had that opportunity over the weekend. 3182 02:30:21.840 --> 02:30:23.719 All right, let's get out of here for a Monday 3183 02:30:23.760 --> 02:30:25.920 afternoon fun show today. Good to be back on air. 3184 02:30:26.000 --> 02:30:27.879 Thank you guys for making us a part of your day. 3185 02:30:27.879 --> 02:30:30.319 Today port what comes our way on a Tuesday edition 3186 02:30:30.399 --> 02:30:30.879 of the show. 3187 02:30:30.959 --> 02:30:33.159 On a Tuesday edition of the show, we'll check in 3188 02:30:33.239 --> 02:30:35.399 with our guy Dave Fox, as we do each and 3189 02:30:35.719 --> 02:30:40.920 every week on the program, Scott Mitchell. On the program tomorrow, 3190 02:30:40.959 --> 02:30:44.559 we'll talk a little NFL with Sean Sayet of Sumer Sports, 3191 02:30:45.319 --> 02:30:48.680 a little RSL action on the show tomorrow, and we'll 3192 02:30:48.719 --> 02:30:51.680 hear from coach Witt after practice today, so we'll we'll 3193 02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:52.639 have some sound to play. 3194 02:30:52.799 --> 02:30:55.959 There you go, Week three of Camp Kyle rolls on. 3195 02:30:55.959 --> 02:30:58.239 Only one more week after this and then it's time 3196 02:30:58.319 --> 02:31:03.559 for college football Utah by U and Utstate special. Thank 3197 02:31:03.600 --> 02:31:06.159 you today, Doctor Chris Hill, Bill Riley and Elie Fall 3198 02:31:06.280 --> 02:31:07.840 for the sound you missed from the show today. 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