Speaker 1: I'm here with mister Pete Kenyona's it's been a while
since you've been on the show Man. How have you
been doing?
Speaker 2: Doing good? Tommy? How are you? I'm doing well, doing well.
I'm excited to get into this.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I feel like I want
to start the conversation off with because I find this
to be important, is you know, I kind of like
float between worlds here. You know, I'm friends with like
you and Matt Erickson and Jason Mernchuck and all these
guys that are kind of more of the dissident right,
you know, so to speak. And then I'm still like
kind of floating within the libertarian space in ways. You know,
I'm still real close with a lot of them guys,
and I kind of have my I wouldn't say I
have a split perspective. I want to say that, like,
I don't necessarily one hundred percent agree with any of
any of y'all, but you know, I enjoy the conversations.
And the thing that's so interesting about having conversations with
those of y'all from the right is it's a perspective
that a lot of people have never heard before. And
we're getting we're gathering information like from like Tom lu
Wongo and from Stormy Waters, and some of these guys
in looking at at the world in a different way.
Speaker 2: Well, I guess one of the things that happened recently
was I was just like, of course, talking about the
Federal Reserve. You know, we were making the point that
ending the Federal Reserve right now would be dangerous to
most people. And people immediately started when they responded to that.
They were responsing and responding to what I called the
very religious way. And what I mean by that is
they're inside a bubble and they they're not taking into
consideration the fact that they have an ideology. The ideology
is within a bubble, and when they hear something, they
automatically they revert their thinking, reverts a certain way and
just has a pat answer for that. And it's like, well,
you know, we can't really, we can't end the Federal
Reserve right now, because you know, the globalists will just
swoop right in take over. And it's like, no, we
have to end the Federal Reserve now. We end the
Federal Reserve, that's what we have to do. And it's
like that's very religious thinking because you're not even asking
for a explanation. You're not asking, well, why do you
think it would be dangerous? Why do you think globalism
it would just empower globalism to end the Federal Reserve.
Right now, you're just going off, You're just reacting. And
what's funny is is people like me are accused of
being a reactionary, which okay, proud proudly, proudly from if
you understand the historical definition of that. Sure. But you
know what I saw was when Tom said that on
my show and I put that on Twitter, people reacted
to it in in a way that it's like, Okay, no,
I'm in this bubble, my bubble. The people inside this
bubble and the people who inform this bubble, the quote
unquote thought leaders inside this bubble say this. I'm not
going to listen to anything outside of that, and I
will here, I'll listen to it, but I'm not going
to hear it. I'm not going to take it into consideration,
and I'm not going to try to understand it. One
of the things that I try to do is I
try to understand everybody's you know, where everyone's coming from.
It's one of the reasons why I've studied Marxism so deeply,
and why I've studied, why I've tried to study as
much as I can, because I want to understand where
everyone's coming from. I'm reading a book right now on
my show called The Demon and Democracy, and it shows
how liberalism and even classical liberalism matches up with community,
with communism and Marxism in certain in one distinct way
in that it's promising. It's we're on the path to
as perfect as we can get. And I needed to
understand that. And that was one of the first books.
Actually I read that book in twenty twenty one, and
that was a book that actually Daniel McAdams actually recommended
that book, and it really turned my thinking around, and
especially as I was coming back to the church. And
you know, when I came back to the church, I
came back to the Protestant Church. And then when we
moved to where we live now, there was a small
Catholic church and I grew up Catholic. I was baptized,
baptized as a baby, brought up in the Catholic church,
graduated Catholic school, and you know, I just went My
family has been My dad was a Southern Baptist preacher,
but you know he was born into His ancestors are
all Catholic. My mother's ancestors are all Catholic. That's who
I am basically, so I wanted to when I went
back to the church, I was like, Okay, this makes
sense to me. All the questions I had about Protestantism
when I was even in a Protestant seminary and arguing
with the with the professors, going this doesn't make any
sense to me. Why how do you know this? What's
your authority upon this? And really that's what informs me
now is like, what's your authority? What's your authority to
tell me that we need to end the Federal Reserve
right now? Oh? Well, theft, fractionalization of money, Sure, I
understand all of that, Okay, but I'm telling you, if
you end the Federal Reserve right now, it's going to
hurt the majority of the population. It's going to impoverish them,
and it's going to people will die. And it's like, well,
and no one wants to ask me why why that
would happen? Why we'd have insane deflation, which would help
a lot of people, but it would also a lot
of people would are going to lose jobs because a
lot of people are going to be forced to shut
their businesses down. I mean, there are all these there
are all these variables that are real life that are
happening right now. What drome pal has been doing at
the FED for the last four years by basically destroying
the euro dollar system bringing our interest rates were an
interest rate on a credit card that was issued in Austin, Texas.
The rate on that was being determined by someone overseas
wasn't even American. He destroyed all of that. He brought
it home. So when I look at when I look
at like just and I'm just using the Federal Reserve
as a as a jumping off point, because that was
one of the things you asked me when we talked,
well we talked before we recorded the other day. I
was like, okay, well they're all these there are all
these things. People are like, oh, you know, we can
go to bitcoin right now. I'm like, can we Who
how I'm talking about? Because he has people around him
who are like, well, we need to make it an
M one reserve. We're gonna have an M one reserve
of bitcoin. Okay, Well, what does that mean? That means
that people are gonna be able to borrow money off
of it. Who is stopping them from borrowing money off
of it at four to five to six to seven times.
Who to fractionalize it? Not fractionalizing bitcoin, but fractionalizing the reserve,
the reserve element behind it, you know. So it's like
you could say, oh, we know, we have a trillion
dollars worth of bitcoin sitting here in an M one reserve. Okay,
We're going to lend ten trillion off of that, right okay,
So and they can do that, why because they're in charge.
So you can say, oh, if we just go to bitcoin,
everything will be great, you know, we just have bitcoin
as a reserve as the bitcoin standard. Okay, Well, who's
going to be the one to police how? Because bitcoin
is not going to be an M two currency. Most
bitcoin people say that. So if it's just who's going
to do this? So it's I'm listening to people talk
and they're not looking and understanding exactly how the global
economy works right now. They don't understand that the US
dollar is the most powerful currency in the world right now,
above pretty much all others, even Russia's ruble has started
to fall. But you don't quit a game when you're winning,
especially when you're like kicking your opponent's ass. You don't
quit a game. And if you do quit that game,
like Chesterton's fence, if you're going to tear this down,
why are you tearing it down? And what's on the
other side of it? Is it going to be worse
than it is right now? And if your only answer
to that is well, I'm being stolen from and that's immoral,
that's not enough for me. That's not enough for me
because your grandmother, what are you doing to your grandparents?
What are you doing to old people who have no
idea what this bitcoin stuff is who in a deflationary situation,
they might do They may actually do well because prices
may drop, but also there may be things that aren't
available to them anymore. So really, it's it's when I
look at how I used to think when when Chris
and Robert and I were writing The Monopoly on Violence,
the documentary, we were so inside a box and not
considering what what else there was. We're saying, we need
to tear this down, we need to tear this down,
we need to tear this down, This isn't a moral.
This is a moral. This is a moral. Okay, Well,
what's on the other side of that? What's waiting? And
do you have people on the other side ready to
save people? Because I know a lot of people other
people who say, oh, well, I'm just waiting for everything
that's collapse. Okay. Do you know who's going to be
in charge after a collapse? The person who can feed people?
Can you feed people? I mean, it's all it is.
It's religion. And as somebody who is religious and somebody
who has a catechism and goes this is what I believe.
It's right here. I understand that, but this isn't. But
you know, this is personal over here between me and
my church. We're talking about all that we're talking about
all the people and people that I care about too,
people that I share values with. I don't want to
see them hurt because somebody is. And I know these
people don't desire power. I know they're no danger at all,
but they could influence. They could influence something one day
without understanding what's on the other side of that, and
they may think, oh, I'm you know, and really it
I'll bring up communism again. I've actually talked to people
who were like, yeah, I don't care if other people
have to die. Other people are going to have to
die in order for us to in order for us
to get through this. Well, I mean that just sounds
like Lenin or Trotsky to me. M hm. So you
know why I had somebody the other day tell me.
I told him, I said, we're always going to have
to have someone there who is above the law to
decide the exception when it comes to you know, he said, Oh,
if somebody breaks into my house, I'll just shoot them
visual aanting justice. And I'm like, okay, but what if
that guy didn't break into your house. What if you
guys were playing cards and he beat you and you
shot him. Somebody asked be there to make that decision,
so well, somebody else can do it. And this person
is just advocating for vigilanti justice and he's not doing
it like in as, he doesn't sound like an insane person.
He's doing this politely and we're just having a conversation.
And I'm like, well, that's insane, first of all, and
why would I want to be associated with people who
were sharing ideas like that? And then people and then
somebody will say like, well, no, just listen to the leaders.
Listen to the leaders of the movement. You know, why
are you listening to a nons on Twitter? Listen to
the leaders of the movement. What are the leaders of
the movement saying, what are their recommendations, where are their answers?
I mean, especially if you start making a living off
of this, and you make a good living off of
being a quote unquote content creator. M hm, how much
of the boat do you want to rock right?
Speaker 1: Where the incentives like driving you?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I can understand poor people who are
just like, I'm desperate here, I'm willing to do desperate things.
But then again, that person doesn't have any doesn't really
have a following or people listening to them or anything
like that. But still, these ideas are just ridiculous. I mean,
to not be able to have a conversation, to default
to morality, especially people who want to preach morality to
me who I know are atheists. It's like, yeah, I mean, sorry,
your argumentation, ethics and your private this is an ideology
about private property. That's not morality. Sorry, morality is not
don't hurt people, don't take their stuff Okay, there there
There are a lot of things that can destroy a
community and destroy a culture in a community where you're
not people, where people aren't getting hurt, people aren't having
their stuff taken from them, And see a lot of
advocating for that too. I mean, if you are somebody
who says, you know, prostitution should just be legal, it
should be everywhere. You're my enemy, You're my enemy in
your God's enemy. Yeah, your God's enemy.
Speaker 1: I well, can I let let me back this up
just the tad bit, because I have I have a
couple of questions because I noticed something like whenever I
discovered Orthodoxy and I started getting more involved with the
church and I started going down that path becoming a
catechumen and becoming orthodox, I noticed a lot of my
mindset changed, and the way I looked at at politics
and just the way I engage with the world that
all changed, like my like just the structure of who
I was and the way I view things changed. So
how much was the rediscovering of your Catholic origins, Like
how much did that influence the change in your thinking
and then change in the way that you approach these subjects?
Speaker 2: Well, it was just a way to go. It was
once you figure out that something is not working, Once
you figure out that something is not workable. You know,
I think a lot of us, maybe including yourself, went
through twenty twenty orre like. People don't want to be free.
People want to be told what to do. You know,
people are just sheep and they're waiting to be told
what to do. Well, where does order come from? If
you want order, people are going to have to be orderly.
People are going to have to desire order, or there's
going to have to be a mechanism in place that
inrces order. Well, where does that come from? Is what
is the basis behind that? Is it private property rights?
Is it good economics? I think it goes beyond that,
and I think it goes to that which cannot be
seen and cannot be cannot be felt. I mean, which
well can be felt, be felt on the inside, but
it's not something you can reach out and touch. Everybody
wants something that they can they can say, this is
the exact way that this is going to work, you know,
And Sam Francis said that, you said, every ideology works
great in theory until it gets introduced to reality. And
then as soon as it gets into reality, it's no
longer in ideology. It just gets totally torn apart. And
I think even like somebody like in the Libertarian party,
you're seeing that with Angela mccardal, you know, being able
to having aligned tomorrow lago and talking to people within
the administration. You see libertarians, even libertarians that have like
pot you know pretty you know, halfway popular podcasts, attacking
her for getting in bed with getting in bed with
evil or whatever. That you're not allowed to do that.
You're not allowed to seek power. You're not allowed to
you know, use power, or they'll do this thing that
that's absolutely that. That's because people are so afraid, afraid
of failure, and people don't want to look bad. They'll say, oh,
you're just going to sidle up and he's just and
he's just going to tell you what he wants to
hear leads you down the path and you're not going
to get anything. Okay. So if that happens, so what
so what right? What do you or what? Okay? What
are you gonna die of embarrassment because you thought something
was gonna happen that didn't. Are you gonna look foolish? No?
That's how politics works. And it's just sometimes you're gonna
get what You're gonna get your way. Sometimes you're gonna
be able to leverage, leverage things in your direction. That's
the way life works. That's the way you know, if
you're if you're talking to somebody and you're trying to
talk down the price of a car you're trying to
buy or something like that, you may I mean, these
are the kind of people who are like, if you go, look,
I can't go below twenty three I can't go below
twenty three thousand, And you're like, I'm sorry, I'm not
gonna go below twenty three five. And then you're like,
all right, I'll do twenty three five. These people look
at you like you're a loser or something like that
because you wanted it a certain way and you didn't
get it right. That's fucking that's life. That's life. Get
out there and live it. Get out there and fail,
Get out there and fail over and over again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I completely agree with that. It's like what
Matt Erickson was said for you know, a long time
there in twenty twenty twenty twenty one. You know, don't
let the perfect be the enemy of the good, you know,
like you didn't. The United States did not end up
in the situation that it's in today politically all at once.
It was one step at a time, and you're only
going to be able to chip away at it one
step at a time. You're not going to be able
to chip out. And I'll talk to some of my
friends that are are Libertarians, and you know, I love
these guys and we've been friends for years now, and
they're like, yeah, but Trump's bad on Israel. And I'm like, look, dude,
look at the political likener. They're all, yeah. I was
like I told him. I was like, I've come to
the conclusion that Israel is going to be the last
cancer that gets cut out of the United States. Like
and if you just accept that and you're like, okay,
like what can we do, Like where can we start
making like changes and what can we accept, you know,
and just start looking at it from that perspective, then
it kind of changes the way that you view the landscape.
You're like, none of these people are going to be
like my best friends. They're all billionaires. They all have
power that they don't think about people like me whenever
they go in you know, day in and day out,
I'm not like at top of at the top of
their mind. But at the same time, if they if
they are more focused on my enemies than they are
on me, then I'm like, Okay, well, at least we
have something in common and I can kind of get
behind them, you know. And I had the same idea
with Peter Teel. I was like, yeah, maybe, like I've
been saying it for years, like maybe tomorrow he'll do
something that I just despise and I can't live with.
But at this moment, he's my friend as far as
I'm concerned, because like he's he's got his power focused
in the right direction to destroy the things in the
government that are actually harming me and harming my family. Right, So, yeah,
I get exactly what you what you're saying. As far
as you know, you can't you can't just go all in.
You can't expect to get everything all at one time.
Now with the federal.
Speaker 2: Results, well, well, let mean, can can I answer Can
I answer address one thing you said? There? So you
said that you know I can support Peter Tiel right
now and then he may do something until you know
that will make you abandon him, you know later, there's
a lot of people who can't deal with that. They're
just not willing to deal with that because they it's
more important that they're right than anything else. It's more
important that they that they or they appear to themselves
and so they're you know, the group chat, that they're right,
that they don't make it, that they never make a mistake,
that they never go out on a limb, that they
never make a prediction. You know, one thing I learned
from Matt Erickson was, you know, I said, I don't
really like to make predictions. And one of the reasons
I really don't like to make predictions is because I'm
just bad at it. I mean, I'm you know, I'm
pretty bad at it. And it's like and I'd rather
wait and see. And Matt said, it's great to make
predictions because now you have skin in the game and
now you're there. You know. It's like it's like, you know,
you've you've watched sports. Is sports more interesting when you're
watching it or when you have a bet on the game? Right?
You know? And these people are just a lot of
these people are just cowards because they don't want They're
not willing to if they leave theory, if they leave
the theory that they're that they're so beholden to that
if we just do this, I know that it'll make
that it'll work, and you know, and I think a
lot of that has to do with the fact that
they know that it will never be implemented and it
will never be tested in the world, so they always
get to be right quote unquote right. But you know,
I'm one of those people now who's just like, well,
I mean, I'm gonna go off the deep end and say, yeah,
I mean, I think I think there's a chance that
Trump could really do some damage to the administrative state.
I think that with people like the VEC there and
with the Elon there, you know, and everybody's like, oh,
Miriam Adelson gave him one hundred million dollars, Elon gave
him two hundred and sixty million mm. Hm, Elon's expecting
something back for that? Yeah, yeah, and well what is that?
You know? And also Silicon Valley, how about how about
what's his name from the Mellon family? He gave him
one hundred and seventy million, right, Okay, so is he
expecting something? And this is a you know, this is
a wasp elite, you know, who's not like one of
the black sheep in the family who was like pushing
degeneracy in the sixties and pushing the hip movement and
LSD and things like that. You know, this is this
guy is like, you know, he's just a banker. That's
all he is. He's a banker. Kill him, Kill the bankers. Well,
I mean some of these bankers are trying to do
their best to make the dollar worth more than it
is right now. I mean, I can give you the
names of people. Well, let's start with Private Equity, Powell
at the Federal Reserve, Timothy Mellon, Jamie Diamond. Now these guys,
and any libertarian should understand this. These guys may not
be doing it for you. They're doing it for their
self interest. But I remember when I read economics, it
said that the reason why, well, you know, sometimes people
are going to start a business because they want to
get rich. But what whatever they produce their self interest
could help you because what they produce could make your
life easier, could make your life more prosperous. Right, so,
but you but you're not allowed to deal with that
because central banking bad Federal Reserve bad, and you know,
and and the way I look at it is and
Tom Luongo feels the same way about this. If the
next person who gets into the Federal Reserve is you know,
one of the old, Yeah, somebody who's not somebody who's
not in eighth generation Virginian, maybe someone who's a second
generation Ukrainian. If you know what I'm saying, then well
then the Federal Reserve is our enemy again and we
need to figure something else out. But right now, right now,
things are looking really really good. And you don't you
don't quit if you're winning seventy to nothing, you don't
quit well.
Speaker 1: And I was interesting because in that clip that so
many people had had responded to, and I listened to
that whole podcast, and I mean that was a very
small segment of the podcast. It's not like that was
the entire podcast. But and I find Tom to be
very interesting. I like listening to him. I always learned
something listening to him. He always makes me think. And
so but I clearly remember in that little clip that
he said it's not because he doesn't think that the
Federal Reserve should eventually be gotten rid of and he's
all about backing you know, backing the dollar with gold
and the traditional libertarian view on money. He's just saying,
at this moment, it's not the right time. You can't
do it right now. And and I was like, well,
that's a reasonable perspective, you know, there's you know, it's
not like he's saying it's not like he's saying, no,
the dollar's perfect, and the way that the Federal Reserve
interacts with the with the United States is and the
world is absolutely perfect. I mean, that's not what he said.
He was he was making the point that at this time,
it's not the right time to do that, because if
you do that, it's going to cause a lot of damage,
a lot of pain, and it's not going to be
good for the United States, ultimately weakening the United States
in the long run. And I thought that was just
a reasonable way to look at that, that you know,
that point of view and say, okay, well maybe there's
a way to go about it, and to set something
else up in the background while you're dismantling it from
the inside and not just throwing the throwing the baby
out with the bathwater.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I like that you mentioned there that
you're setting something up at something You're like a parallel structure, right, Okay,
well I know bitcoin is that bitcoin exists. I'm going
to go by what the bitcoin experts that I respect
the most, like car camp It people like that say
that it's a bulletproof technology. Okay, well, how are you
going to get everyone to use it? How are you
how are you going to make it the how are
you going to make it? As the book calls it,
the bitcoin standard? You're going to well what is it? Well,
eventually things are going to get so bad that, you know,
governments are going to want to use it. Okay, how
are they going to use it? As I mentioned before,
So you have a trillion dollar reserve of bitcoin, what
is stopping people who are not your people from lending
twenty trillion off of that trillion or thirty trillion off
of that trillion, Just like the Bank of London does
with you know, with with a with a hundred tons
of gold, with you know, with a with a one hundred
million dollars worth of goal, they lend one hundred trillion
against that. What's stopping them from doing that? The only
what can and stop them from doing that is you
taking over, You becoming the government. You becoming the state,
and you directing that and saying no, it's going to
be dollar for dollar with bitcoin. And until you're willing
to do that, shut up, because that's the way things work.
My buddy Charlie Charlemagne had a great tweet two years
ago or something like that. He said, libertarians are one
hundred percent correct when they say that the government is
organized crime. What libertarians don't understand is is that you
want to be the mobsters. You have to be the
mobsters or else you're never going to get your way.
And there were mobsters out there who did good things,
took care of their neighbors, took care of their neighborhoods
quote unquote mobsters, but there were people in charge who
took care of things. Look at Boukelly right now. I mean,
I'm sure there are podcast as in El Salvador who
five years ago were saying the country can ever be
turned around? You know, we need to get out of here.
There's murders every day. Where the murder capital of the world.
This is the worst place to live. And then as
soon as bou Kelly started coming up and started doing things,
they were like they didn't change their tune because they
couldn't because they only had one way of thinking. And
then you know it's probably like oh boo Kelly. You
know bou Kelly's doing But but somebody has to be
controlling him, somebody and maybe someone is I don't know,
somebody has to be controlling him. The other shoe is
going to drop. His wife is half Jewish. Okay, something
something's going to go wrong here. They can never allow
themselves to change their minds on things. That's the way
most people are. It's most people's nature is they get
stuck in something, and especially if they get stuck in something,
especially if they have I'll bring it back to this,
if they have no religion, they're looking for some kind
of system that allows them to have morality. For a
lot of people on the left, it is the state,
you know, like like type Kazinski talked about over socialization,
people becoming reliant upon the state, becoming activists. Seems like
a lot of people who are attracted to libertarianism or
attracted to libertarianism because it allows for them to replace
sky Daddy with a system of books in a library
down in Auburn, Alabama, an hour and a half south
of me.
Speaker 1: I had talked to Mark Claire about this a couple
of years ago about how he had viewed Ron Paul
much like the Christian's view Christ and that it was
a very it was very distressing to him to come
to the conclusion that Ron Paul was not a savior,
that he.
Speaker 2: Was just a man.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean, Ron Paul was a very
religious man. You know, he's very faithful in his Christians
and I guarantee you he would never want anybody to
look at him that way.
Speaker 2: And the.
Speaker 1: To know that that's how people look at the SYSM.
Part of what attracted me to libertarianism whenever I first
got into it was the fact that there there was
no state worship. Like the one thing I identified most
more than anything was people are worshiping like Obama, people
worship the politicians like that's like gods to them, and
it's weird, you know, And I just it gave me
the creeps, right, And even at that time, I was
calling myself agnostic, and because I was, and it was
just it was just it was creepy to me. I
just found it so creepy, and so that pulled me
into libertarianism. But then I saw with the in libertarianism.
There are many factions of libertarianism, and it doesn't go
for everybody, Like I have some great friends that are libertarians,
but there are some some factions of libertarianism that then
want to put on high a little you know, like
a Tom Woods or someone like that. And I'm not
saying that anybody worships Tom Woods. I'm just making this
point that they're trying. They're always looking for somebody to
put on the on the top of the mountain and
to you know, bow at the feet of And it's like, well,
you're just replacing God, that's all you're doing. And it
is disturbing to see that happen. And so when you attack,
you know, one of their core tenants, like destroying the
Federal Reserve today, and they have that knee jerk reaction.
You're right, it is a very religious way.
Speaker 2: Of looking at it.
Speaker 1: Instead of sitting there and saying, okay, what what exactly
would happen today? Maybe you can start answering some of this,
you know, just by some of the calculations you've done.
If we if we went in and we destroyed the
Federal Reserve today, there's no federal Reserve tomorrow?
Speaker 2: What happened? And what are they?
Speaker 1: What are the good positives? What are the negatives? And
we got to you know, everybody's got to look at
that and we have to weigh that out.
Speaker 2: Okay, the question is, okay, you destroy the Federal Reserve tomorrow,
what what replaces the dollar? Nothing? The dollar still exists. Okay. Now,
who's in charge of the dollar? The Treasury? Janet Yellen?
Janet Yellen, who her her thesis, her pH d thesis
was on Marxist, was on labor theory of value? Or
are you going to send it back to Congress? Congress
who everyone has an APAC handler except for Thomas Massey.
So who's going to be in charge of the dollar. Basically,
who's going to be in charge of the dollar? Is
It's going to be the International Bank of Settlements. It's
I mean, the same people.
Speaker 1: That control Congress right now. And that's what they don't look,
they're not looking. They're not the people that control the Senate,
that buy the Senate. These lobbyists, Big Pharma, Israel, you know,
through APAC, all these all these lobbyists are going to
now control the dollar. You know, they already have enough
control over how money's spent. We don't want to give
them control over the printing of the money because it's
already a big enough issue that most of the time,
when money is printed, it's given to the wealthy individuals
before inflation hits. And by the time it trickles down
to us peons working out in the streets and doing
the hard labor, inflation is already hitting and it's already
devalued the dollars. So that's already an issue, and it
would just escalate that issue. It would be worse, It
would get much worse.
Speaker 2: Well, the good question to ask is, okay, so if
Jerome pal is at the FED, he's an eighth generation
Virginian and he is basically has gone to war with
the City of London. And I'm not talking about London,
you know, bad Teeth and Big ben There's this little
one square mile of the city called the City of
London in the middle, which is its own independent where
all the banks are. This is where like all the
bank is, where Lloyd's of London is. It's where all
the banks are. And it was settled a thousand years
ago by Kazarian Jews, and they still own it today. Okay,
and they still run it today. Okay. He's been at
war with them. He's been at war with the world
economic for him, he's been at war with the International
Bank of Settlements. He's been at war with lib Ar.
He got Libar completely. Libor was what was controlling interest rates,
our interest rates from overseas. He got a sense of
Chicago where it's now. It's so for and the United
States controls says interest rates. So here's a good question.
If anyone controls Jerome Powell, who controls Jerome Pale investment banking?
I mean he's private equity, pal investment banks. Wall Street? Okay,
what do we know about Wall Street? Will Wall Street
exist if there is ever a central bank digital currency? No,
no commercial banking goes away. So Wall Street doesn't want
a central bank digital currency. I'm sure most libertarians don't
want a central bank digital currency. But isn't that what sometimes.
Speaker 1: Point would become if you replace the dollar with bitcoin.
Wouldn't it just be a CBDC.
Speaker 2: Who's going to do that?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm not saying anybody's got to do it. What
I'm saying is it wouldn't it. It wouldn't it if
you if you turn bitcoin into a fractional currency, then
wouldn't it just become a central bank digital currency.
Speaker 2: Well, it's from what I understand, bitcoin itself, the technology
and the and the current, the the technology itself cannot
be fractionalized. That's what I've been told this what it's
been explained to me that they can't. So I'm going
upon that that can't happen. But what can happen is
what I've what I've already described, is it can become
a reserve. And what bitcoin people are hoping on is
preying on, is that that won't be fractionalized. You can't
fractionalize bitcoin because bitcoin is not going to be your currency.
The lightning network, even the adventure of the lightning networks
is the lightning network doesn't work. It's not going to work.
It does work, I mean, but it's not going to
work for commerce the way they want it to work.
So you're going to have to have you're going to
have to have a proxy. Like yeah, how we were
on the gold standard at once. When we were on
the gold Standard, the proxy was the dollar and would
only you were only allowed a certain amount of dollars
to every once a goal. Well, that's the way it
should be for bitcoin. But the problem is is who's
going to regulate that. If you want the bitcoin to
be the reserve and there's only twenty one million bitcoins,
who's going to regulate how that if that gets are
you're only going to have twenty one million, say let's
say that it's not called the dollar anymore, it's called
the satoshi, You're only going to have twenty one million
SATs just called SATs out there. That sounds kind of
that's interesting, Okay, So that means that probably everything now
will be the equivalent most things will be the equivalent
of pennies unless you fractionalize it or maybe the bitcoin
guys have a better way of doing that, and I'm
willing to listen to it, but the way that But
that still does not change the fact that they're going
to have to be in charge. Who's going to be
in charge of If bitcoin is the only m one
reserve on the plant in the United States, who's going
to be in charge of that? Somebody has to be
in charge of that. Who is sympathetic to the bitcoin
bros And to libertarians who are promoting this is a currency,
or are promoting it as as a reserve. Well, there's
only one way that's going to happen is you're going
to have to be in charge. How are you going
to be How do you get in charge? How do
you how are you going to be in charge of it?
When it's not against the interests of the managerial state.
This this this insane state, the system of government that's
existed for about one hundred years. Now, well, first of all,
how do you tear it down? And second of all,
once you do tear it down, who's gonna if you do?
Who's going to tear it down?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: Are you going to? I mean, these are people who
say that you're like voting is violence? That voting You
know that that if you're a politician, you know you're
you're a thief, You're you're all you're doing is you're
robbing people's wealth. Okay, So how do you expect this
to happen? There is a practical side to everything. Okay,
you know, I think you and I both believe that
the Eucharist is the is the body of Christ. If
we don't go take the Eucharist, we can believe that
all we want, right, but we still have to go
to church, and we still have to get it right.
So we have to get off our ass and do
something right. Okay, well, I mean who's doing anything? What podcasting,
giving speeches, writing books? Great? You know, me and my
friends have decided to you know, we started something two
years ago this November eleventh where we're raising up young
getting young people and raising them up and showing them
what being an elite is all about. What being in
a natural elite is all about, getting into positions of
what getting into positions a power of book like so
that you reward your friends and you punish your enemies. Okay,
that's what politics is. Once you understand that politics is
rewarding your friends and punishing your enemies, that's it. There
is no we're all going to get along. Everyone knows this.
Even if you have even if you were to declare,
if you were to take over a town and declare,
we are going to run this now, like in Capistan,
You're going to have people who are going to revolt.
You're going to have people who are going to organize.
You are going to have people who are going to
put together military, a militia. You're going to have people
who are going to put together a government. You know,
that's one of the reasons why it's like I'm not
an anarchist, because it's like, okay, you know, you can
anarchists can say all they want that you know, if
you did tear down the government, government's inevitable. Great, okay,
if you understand that a government is inevitable, that people
are going to want a government, just do that now,
make it look like you want it to look like.
And when you consider that with what with what people
like Jerome Power have been doing, they've been weakening global
the global people who want globalism, who want there to
be like a one world government whatever I mean. I
know it sounds Alex jonesy and everything, but that is
really what they want. They want every they want all
governments to be the same. If you understand that that's
been weakened and then it's weakening, and that you understand
that we're going towards what Happa talks about more like
central is like a localized, decentralized kind of government. To
start building that now, because if even if you do
get it to even if collapsitarians get their collapse and
the government collapses, you want to have your infrastructure in place, right,
the best way to do that is to do that locally,
and that you know, that's I don't like to call
that libertarian because it's not a libertarian idea. I mean,
this is Hansiatically was before the term libertarian ever came out.
The Hansiatic League was very libertarian. It was very decentralized.
But if you don't have a plan, if you're not
if you don't have a plan and you don't understand
people's incentives, this is another term that the libertarian store
around all the time. They're like people who tell me,
you know, when I talk about how much degeneracy there
is in the culture and how much how much damage
that does, They're like, well, you know, if we had bitcoin,
it would people's incentsives would change. I'm like, okay, so
what you're what you're saying is okay, so people would
be wealthier, so people would have more and wealthy people
aren't degenerate. You think their incentives would change. Look at
all the people who like win the lottery. Now, all
of a sudden, they went from you know, living in
a very small home to having twenty million dollars. How
many of them does that work out? For knowing. Why. Yeah,
and I'm not saying that, you know, I want everybody
to be poor and everything things like that. But when
you have when you have a cohesive culture, when you
have people who share values, when you have people who
speak the same language, it's easier to organize. People are more.
Sweden famously had a very free market economy up until
a certain point in the middle of the twentieth century,
and then they decided that they were going to basically
become this huge welfare state, and people complained about it.
But on in mass people didn't complain about it. People
do not complain about the welfare state in like Iceland.
Why don't people complain about the welfare state in Iceland?
I mean you might get one or two outliers, or
maybe a hundred or even a thousand, but still when
you consider that the percent of the population, most people
are perfectly fine with the welfare state in Iceland. Well,
why because everyone there's like seventh cousins. The same with
Sweden until they started importing every you know, mentally ill
African and Middle Eastern are into the country. And then
people are like, well, I mean this probably should only
be for people who are from Sweden. You know, that's
the way we designed it at first. That's the way
I've actually heard them talk about that too. H that's
the way you that's the way you get you know,
this is one thing I've always said this, if libertarians
ever get their way, it's going to look exactly like
the kind of world I want to live in. Because
the kind of world I want to live in is
the only way you're going to have libertarianism where it
is there, where it's a small group of people and
they all share that they share the same values. And
people can say, oh, well, that's just a covenant. You're
just talking about how covenant communities where you can have
a communist community over here, and you can have a
conservative community over here and you have a narco capitalist
community over there. That's not gonna work. First of all,
you have a communist community over there. When of communists
ever left anybody alone? Okay, I mean it's just it's
just a matter of time, Okay. So reward your friends,
punish your enemies, build what you want. I mean, I
don't but understand how the world works, and understand how
it works now and not and don't understand that if
you were to just all of a sudden overnight. I
know Rothbard's about this. Oh if you could, if you
was a snap your finger or something. But yeah, push
a button. Oh, I'd break my finger pushing that button.
Do you know how many people would die? Do you have?
Many people would starve to death? Do you know how
many people? I mean, what's waiting? You know what's waiting
The same exact people who are in charge now, is
there anything, is going to be the only ones who
are going to be equipped to feed anyone. They're the
only ones who would even have the infrastructure to do that.
You don't have any infrastructure at least the agorist talk
about building, you know, parallel infrastructure even though heavy industry
is never one thing that they could they could deal with.
And you know, I mean, how do you know the
only way to do banking is to do it privately?
And is your you know, how's your grandmother doing with
her bitcoin wallet? Things like that? But now you're okay,
say well, I'll just take care of my family. I'll
take care of my grandmother. Now you're speaking my language.
How about doing that now? How about starting now? How
about getting everything set up now for the world you
want to see, And I'll ask the question again, how
are you going to get to the world you want
to see other than wish casting, throwing your penny in
a wishing well, or just saying, oh, I hope everything
falls apart. Just believe me, if everything falls apart, no
one's going to be the only people who are going
to be begging to be an narco capitalist or people who
are a narco capitalist right now. I guarantee you a
lot of those people are not going to begging to
be an are not going to be a narcho capitalist anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, all right, let's I want to I
want to talk about doze a little bit before I
let you go, if you don't mind. So we we
were talking a little bit about you know, you check
and see why a fence was built before you tear
it down. And after seeing how Elon attacked Twitter whenever
he went in and by attack, I mean he just
taking it on head on and dealt with the problems
that were going on at Twitter before he was the
CEO and seeing him go in and cut like eighty
percent of the workforce and Twitter is actually functioning still
really well, if not a little bit better than it
was before, and it still seems like they're making quite
a bit of improvements. I'll get off of Twitter for
a few days and I'll get it back on and
I'll notice little tweaks here and there that I hadn't
seen before. So I feel like with him in Vivek
being very competent and successful business owners, understanding what it
takes to build a business, see that business thrive, and
cutting the fat off those businesses in order to be profitable,
I feel like they'll have like a very clear sense
and a view of how to attack the federal government
and look at all these different bureaucracies and agencies that
are existing and be able to consolidate agencies that do
duplicate work, like the FBI and the Federal Marshals, and
be able to consolidate those down to one agency and
things like that. And I think it'll it'll happen in
a very quick fashion, and that the United States, as
far as the citizenry, won't feel a lot of the
pain from this, and that most of the pain is
going to be government bureaucrats losing their jobs and actually
having to enter the private sector for the first time
in their lives. Am I missing anything in my assessment
and how I'm looking at this?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean the first thing you have to
realize is that if they do what needs to be done,
there's going to be a lot of people out of work.
I think the executive just the executive branch employees two
point eight million, so I mean most of those have
to go, and that's going to people are going to
be screaming about on all these employed people and everything.
I mean, at this point, just give them, give them
a year's worth of salary, let him go. I'd rather
just pay people off. It's like the whole reparations thing
for black people. I'm perfectly fine with that. As long
as you leave. You have to leave the country, you know,
and then we'll just destroy the dollar after that. And
you know, you want to have anything. But but what
you need to what people I think what people need
to understand is if they understand how the administrative state works,
you know, and really the best way to understand the
administrative state is to read like The Manager or Revolution
by James Burnham, and a lot of people will be like,
well he makes a lot of mistakes in there. Well, yeah,
he was making a lot of predictions. It just didn't
come true. And I actually heard somebody say today that
was criticizing Burnham because he said that Hitler was going
to win, And I'm like, in nineteen forty everyone thought
Hitler was gonna win. I mean, I mean, he just
basically I mean they walked, they walked into France backwards
and told them that they were leaving, and they took over.
I mean everyone thought that. But you know, Burnham shows
that what a managerial state looks like, what a managerial
state looks like is it's basically the deep state is
you have this state, a permanent state that's always in
charge and it doesn't matter if you get the most
ideologically possessed person in there, they're not in charge. And
from what I've seen and if they did an interview
this is a year ago, over a year ago on
the on the Sean Ryan podcast, by two and a
half three hours, and he really like lays out what
the what the managerial state is and how to dismantle it,
like how you would do it, and he understands. I mean,
there's a guy who's obviously read Burnham, obviously read elite theorists,
and he understands how this all works. So I think
one thing that's smart about him is he's not an anarchist,
so he's not looking to destroy the state. He's trying
to get the state to a point, the point where
one person can be in charge it was supposed to be.
You have the executive. The executive. The executive makes the decisions,
he has a cabinet, he has people around them, he
has advisors, but his is the last word. And that's
not always going to happen. You're always going to have people,
elites who are going to be speaking to you, whispering
in whoever's in charge his ear. Now we have Elon there,
we have a vake there, David Sachs is going to
be there. There's gonna be a lot of people there
who have own but it in February. In February of
this year, you know, and we we understood that if
these guys were going to go all in on Trump,
they weren't going to expect to get something out of it.
So we just started breaking down, what do we know
about these guys, Well, they do business with a lot
of them just got rich doing business with the government. Okay,
I didn done the same thing if I were them.
They all came out of almost all of them came
out of college at the same time nineteen ninety when
Pat Buchanan is saying the Soviet Union's falling, we need
to become the shining city on the hill. You know,
we get and you know, there was a time in
this country where the smartest and the brightest, and Elon
Musk would be working in the government. David Sacks would
be working in the government. Mark Andresen would be working
in the government. But they saw at that time that
the government doesn't want them. The government wants war. So
let's go, let's go make an enough money so that
maybe one day, you know, and I'm just I think
I've listened to them enough that I'm not like, this
isn't fanfic, that this is probably the way they were
thinking that. So we we're going to need the kind
of capital to do the kind of things we want
to do, to have the kind of life we want
to do. Is to see the kind of future we
want to do. Elon is obsessed with going to Mars.
Everything he does, those robots, those robots are designed to
work on Mars. I mean, yeah, sure, he may sell
them commercially to factories here or even to you know,
people people may buy him for their home, to become
like a maid or something like that. All that money
is for him to get to Mars. Why does he
want to get to Mars. I don't give a fuck.
I don't care. All I know is that that's what
his incentives are, okay, And in order for him to
be able to do that, we're going to have to
have a completely different kind of because they're not going
to allow it. I mean if when he was being
interviewed with Tucker by Tucker Carlson at the beginning of that,
he said they were laughing because they both went all
in on Trump, and they said, if Trump doesn't get elected,
we're going to jail. And they would have found some
way to put probably both of them in jail. They
would have taken his businesses away from him. They would
they would have destroyed him. So then you there was
a good episode called Little Tech Wars with Andresen and
Horowitz where they talked about why they were supporting Trump,
and then Horowitz at the last minute backed out and
endorsed Kamala. I guess Horowitz got the call, but Andresen
you know, kept going and supported supported come up and
supported Trump. These guys are in his ear. They're expecting
to get something for what they did. And the one
thing I know about these guys is they prize competence.
And if there is one thing that we haven't had
in government, it's competence. Yeah, there's no one competent there.
There's no one competent there. So what are they doing.
They're trying to put together teams that are the most competent.
Do I like Trump's? Do I like Trump's some picks
on his cabinet? Some of them, some of them might
absolutely despise and anyone who knows me knows why. But
the what I'm seeing them do, and especially with Doge,
to bring this all the way back to Doge, is
I think you're going to try and dismantle the administrative state,
the deep state? And can they do it? No? Idea,
I low probability. Do I want them to do it? Yeah?
Am I going to cheer them on? Yeah? If they fail?
And does that mean I'm a failure? No, means I
had hope something that seems to most people can't afford
these days. Either, they can't afford it, or they're embarrassed
to have it.
Speaker 1: Like the Patrick David Future looks bright type idea. Man,
you can't you can't be nihilistic about.
Speaker 2: All this stuff. We all have lives to live, we.
Speaker 1: Have families to take care of, people that depend on us.
You can't go through the world nihilistically, or you're ruining
multiple people's lives, not.
Speaker 2: Just your own. So well, you know, you remember when
I left libertarianism, and one of the things that they
that they said was, oh, you're just black pilled. Look, man,
there is nothing more black pill than a libertarian who
is just reading books and hoping you're you're not doing
anything to improve your life. Look, I I moved to
an area where the cost of living is very low.
I love a great I love a great life. I
have great friends. I've put together a great network of
people who I can rely upon, and people who know
that they can rely upon me, and people who know
that I'm going to sacrifice for them. And that's not
something I ever really heard people talk about when I
was a libertarian, right, you know, I remember there was
this meme going around I guess twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen,
and it was completely facetious. It was anarchists unite, and
people are making fun of it, as they should. Anarchists
are going to unite to do anything. Well. I mean,
you saw a bunch of anarchists, you know, join the
Libertarian Party. I mean I was there too in the
beginning when all that was happening.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 2: It's good to see that some libertarians are now getting it.
Some libertarians are like, they're living in the real world
and looking for real world solutions while still hoping that
there's something that their vision you can happen down the line.
But if you're not willing to, if you're not willing
to like take the little the little victories and build
towards something, that means you're just waiting for things to collapse,
or you're waiting for things to change overnight, and that's
not going to happen. I mean collapse. The people who
are in charge right now are living way too well,
way too high on the hog to let this collapse.
They're just not going to allow it. I mean, I
became a libertarian what twenty seven, two thousand and seven.
Immediately what did I start saying, Oh, the dollar's going
to crash, the dollars going to crash. Dollars is going
to crash any day. Dollars is going to crash any day.
Is what seventeen years later? Mm hmm, what am I
gonna sit around going, Oh, the dollars gonna crash when
the dollar is more is maybe it's purchasing power isn't
is as good as it needs to be. But when
you compare it to all the other currencies in the world,
it's number one right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it. Uh, it was like the beginning
of the year. I believe the euro was like a
dollar sixty five, maybe even closer to two dollars. And
now whenever I was because I just got back from
Namibia a few weeks ago, and uh whenever I was,
uh in at Heath where that was Namibia. It's south
southwestern Africa. Okay, you've heard of the Skeleton Coast. Not really, no, Okay,
well that's that. It's like South Africa and just a
little bit uh north northwest of South Africa is Namibia.
It's where Beatrix. Yeah, okay, yeah, it's where Beatrix stads from.
He's from Namibia. So I went, I went and met
him in South Africa and then we flew over to
Namibia and did like a two week road trip through Namibia.
That's cool that it was awesome, but but yeah, like
whenever I was in like a heath Row, it was like, uh,
the it was like a dollar twenty five the euro
was and that was I mean, that's down almost like
fifty percent since the beginning of the year.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll give you one even better. When I was
growing up and I'm I'm older than you, I'm probably
ten years older than you. When I was growing up,
the British pound was two dollars to one dollar. One
of our dollars, it's a dollar twenty five. Now it
was almost like for decades it was pegged at two
dollars to the American to one American dollar. And now
all of a sudden it's down a buck and a quarter.
And now it's down seventy five cents. I mean that's over.
It's over sixty six percent. Sixty six percent, yeah, roughly six.
I mean, there's something happening, and it's Jerome Palell. It's
what Powell's been doing. And to stop him from doing
that right now is basically saying, Okay, I want all
of these foreign nations, nations that have their sites set
on us to win. And you know, I mean, you
can be an anarchist and go, well, I don't even
believe in states. They're legal fictions, they don't even exist. Okay,
that doesn't change the fact that all of this exists,
All this infrastructure exists, the money what you use to
buy food unless you live in an area. And I
know there are probably a couple of people who live
in an area or listening to this who can use cryptocurrency.
I mean, but that's the outlier. Ninety nine point, you know,
percentage of people are relying upon the US dollar in
order to do this, you know, in order to live. Okay, well,
why would you want to see that go bad? And
I mean, yeah, and I understand, Oh, Pete, you're not
even thinking about Look at how much inflation went up.
And I completely understand that. You understand it could be worse, right, yeah,
you understand it could It could be a lot worse
if Pal didn't raise interest rates the way he did.
And he was like, well, he was just trying to
raise interest rates to fight inflation, Okay, maybe, or maybe
he was raising interest rates to make it impossible for
to make it harder for our enemies to buy our money.
Mm hmm, yeah, I mean it's right now. The City
of London is like going to like Saint going for
Saint Kitts and all these different places to try and
buy our debt. That selling just so that they can
have something that is worth something, you know, they're getting
money from They're getting gold from Argentina. Malays sending gold
to the City of London for you know, from Argentina,
so they can have money to lend it, they can
have collateral to lend against, you know. And Longo said
on the show that he thought that they set that
gold to buy the Falkland Islands. I'm sorry. I did
some research, and you know, I love Tom, but we
get we get stuff, you know, we're off on stuff often.
And I'm not finding any research showing especially since they
just found new uh they're doing new drilling there. I
don't think England's giving that up. So you got to wonder, well,
why did that gold go there? And I'm not saying
anything about Malay, I don't you know, I know a
lot of people are just all over that guy's dick,
but I don't trust. I don't trust someone I need
to see somebody like dramatically improving things over over a
couple of years. And I think, you know what we've seen,
Malay from all the numbers I've seen, as long as
you're true, he's improving things. And I hope that that
stays that way, because I think Argentina is a great
country and great people. But whether you believe it or not,
how has made our lives better by staving off these people,
these forces like the World Economic Forum and and the
Bank of London and you know these the ECB, the
European Central Bank, from taking over and doing great damage
to this country. When I say country, I mean people.
I'm no fan of the government of this country, especially
this regime, but I mean I care about the people,
and I know that that's even anathemata, that's even anathemat
to some libertarians. I had a a very popular libertarian economist,
you know, when I was talking one time, I had
talked about, you know, this will help people. He's like,
why are you looking to save people? Okay, Well, I mean.
Speaker 1: That's well, I'm certainly not looking to harm people, you know,
And yeah, I mean part of that perspective also comes
back to you know, our you know, our strengthening of
our faith in Christianity is because I know, like prior
to like stumbling headfirst into Orthodoxy as clumsily as I did,
that everything I looked at, every policy I looked at,
it was from my own lens. I didn't care about
anybody else. I wasn't worried about anybody else. And now
like now I find myself like like much more soft
hearted towards other people and how it affects other people
when when the when the government is you know, abusing
their power, and you know I would, I would do
stories on police violence and stuff like that, but it
was it was more out of selfish like I don't
want this to happen to me, you know, like more
than it was like I cared about what happened to
that person. And I feel like that is completely flipped
over the last like two years.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, if you're doing episodes on police violence,
you're basically showing how you're exposing how people are being
taken advantage of. And there's something good about that, you know,
something that my friend's Stormy Waters obviously not his real name,
talks about.
Speaker 1: Remember that my boss's name is stormy.
Speaker 2: Is it really that's amazing. But he the first time
he and I ever got on the phone, he had
like text, he had DM me like in February, and
then we didn't get on the phone with each other
until like, I guess July or August. And one of
the first things he asked me was he said, over
the last few years, have you found that you've been
like more emotional, Like it's almost like you're going through
like menopause or something like that. Like you'll see a
story in the news and it's not like you get weepy,
but you get like a righteous anger and that it
caused you to get misty and almost like you know
want And I was like, yeah, I've been. And what's
funny is we talked everyone. We talked to most of
the people guys are like, yeah, that's where I've been.
And I've gotten to the point where if you don't
if that hasn't been you, because I see that as
a shift in you know what Moran Chuck talks about
the spirit of the age where he talks about you're
going from like the age of the devouring mothers of
the vengeful son, and when that happens, when you have
these When you have these shifts, it's almost like a
shift in consciousness, and it causes people to their emotions
to be a lot more in tune with what's going on.
And you know, Stormy said this, he said this to
the other I think it was on our last panel
show that we're doing the inquisition. He said, if you're
somebody who hasn't really hasn't been experiencing that in the
last three or four years, is I don't really want
anything to do with you. You know, you're not helpful to me.
You're not You're not somebody who's going to help change
things for you know, in the direction you know, for
human flourishing. You're that's not you. You're if you can
look at like you know, it's like like we're recording
this on the day that the verdict came down to
Daniel Penny is not going to jail. Yes, I almost
started crying. I almost started crying. Yeah, and yeah. If
that's not yeah, if that's not If that doesn't elicit
that kind of emotion of you, then it tells me
that you're probably not in tune with what's been going
on in the world, especially since COVID. Maybe you don't
see maybe you see COVID as tyranny, where I just
see it as like an abstract evil force took over
and just you know, went after us, went after humanity
and unleashed, unleashed, you know, something on humanity that should
have opened a lot of people's eyes to where we're going,
but also should have understood that, you know, there are
people out there who really want you dead. And if
you're not taking that seriously, if the way you take
that seriously is by going I just need to read
more Rothbard, and I just need to get more people
to read Anatomy of the State. You're not going to
make it. I mean you're not, Yeah, you're not. I
definitely don't want you. I definitely don't want you on
my side because this is all spiritual warfare, all of it. Yeah,
and and not And to not recognize that, to be
so blind to that, then you know, the Bible says
that God will blind people and harden their hearts towards
certain things. And you can complain and say he's and
you know he shouldn't do that, but you know he
has a monarch and he's a king, and you can
do what he wants and especially if you're not willing
to come over in our director you know, come over
in the direction of people who actually see what's going
on in the world. Right now.
Speaker 1: I've heard Stormy ask that question before, and maybe it
was just the way he worded it. It didn't really
strike me the way that you just worded it it,
like the way you just put it.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: I always just thought that was just my conversion, right, Like,
I just thought that because I went from being like
kind of embittered and angry at the world for so
long and that's kind of what drove me into libertarianism
and agorism and all that, and then finding orthodoxy. I
just felt like the softening of my heart, like the uh,
like becoming more sympathetic and empathetic towards towards society and
towards the world. And I thought that was just my conversion.
But it's very yeah, No, it's very possible that it's
just being in tune with the spiritual warfare that's going
on around us.
Speaker 2: It's either or in both. It's all of it. Yeah,
it's all of it. Uh Yeah, I mean you're you know,
you you have to find a way to fight it. Yeah,
I've I think I found a very comfortable way to
fight it, and well, if a way to fight it
that works for me. But you know, one of the things,
Stormy and I are going to start a new series
on Wednesday, and it's going to be all about in
the metaphysical and what can't be seen and mysticism and
how the government, how this government figured figured out how
to use metaphysics as a weapon against its enemies, and
how this has been declassified and how you once you
once you start reading those papers which I was reading
like ten years ago, but I wasn't ready for it.
It was papers that I had stumbled upon, declassified stuff
I'd stumbled upon ten years ago, and I just wasn't
ready for it. And now I'm and now I'm reading
it again and I'm like, oh wow, Wow, we can
actually fight this, and we we can actually fight this
and we don't need bullets. I mean, we can win
and we don't need bullets.
Speaker 1: Well, can I ask you something on kind of I mean,
it kind of runs parallel to this, at least in
my mind it does. Okay, So, so Tom had made
a comment on your podcast that anybody who's worried about
brick the bricks Nations is like basically half ass retarded.
They don't know what they're talking about. And they're they're
they they're just they're looking at it all wrong. When
I don't look at like what just happened in Syria
over the weekend. I'm looking at the Ukraine, Russia, you know, conflict.
I'm looking at China, you know, getting ready to annex Taiwan.
You see what's going on with the Israel and Gaza.
It really looks like there's the beginning of this global
world war like occurring a World War three, you know,
you might call it. And with America sticking its nose
all over the place and in financing a lot of
these wars. How much of this do you think is
is related to Jerome Powell and and his his kind
of like butting heads with the city of London. How
much do you find that this is spiritual? How much
of it is just the American hedgemon trying to you know,
you know, uh get full scale domination across the world.
Like what are we looking at as far as the conflicts,
the way that it uh coordinates with the money supply
and the and the spiritual war that we've been dealing with.
Speaker 2: I think we're looking at a dying regime, and it's
a regime that has controlled the whole of the West.
You know, what what people call the West, Western culture,
Western European culture hasn't existed in eighty years. Once they
split up, once the war ended, and you know, they
had to defeat those evil, evil Nazis. So let's give
half of Europe to the Communists. Once they split that up,
the western side of Europe and the United States needed
to become one. The whole goal was to tear everything
down so that there was no longer a such a
thing as a German or a Swede or a brit
And you know, a lot of that first started in
Britain with a lot of immigration, the wind Rush, the
wind Rush ships in nineteen forty eight coming in bringing
in Jamaicans and basically what you've seen and you see this.
The plan was actually laid out in a book called
The Authoritarian Personality. Was done by Theodore d'arnault and three
other guys from the Frankfurt School, and they basically said, okay,
so what makes someone a fascist? What potentially makes someone
a fascist? And how do we stop them? From becoming fascists,
and they basically said they needed to tear down the family,
they needed to stop getting prevent people from going to church. Basically,
anything that was traditional needed to be not only destroyed
but also delegitimized in the eyes of the public. You know.
And you will talk to a lot of libertarians who
find that to be you know, oh, that's that's in
our past, and it happened. And the way we know
that that book. First of all, then you go back
and you find out that the Frankfurt School was working
with the CIA, and you know, that's how that it was.
Like people are like, well, that just said that in
a book. It's like, well it came true, right, you know,
interesting that it actually came true. You know. It's like,
you know, the book Rules for Radicals. Yeah, that's just
a book, but we see, we see those rules played
out in everyday life all the time, and they worked.
So basically the West was destroyed. And the one thing
that they didn't rely upon, and this is something that
you saw. The turning point for me that I can
point to is October seventh. After October seventh, when you
read The Authoritarian Personality, you look at who wrote it.
There's four people who wrote it. It's kind of hard
to ignore that three of the names are from the
same tribe. And then you you look at like the
World Jewish Congress and they put out these videos that
say that we were responsible for the Civil Rights Act,
we were responsible for women voting, we were responsible for this,
we were responsible for that, we were responsible for gay rights.
And yeah, they use they actually use Harvey Milk, somebody
who like was known to be having a relationship, you know,
relations with fourteen year olds and fifteen year olds. They're
actually bragging about this. And you know, they took over
the universities too, you know. And what's funny is you'll
have Christopher Rufo just talked recently about how, you know,
how successful the Jewish people have been in academia, yet
he's somebody who attacks academia. After October seventh, they realized
some of the people who are the thought leaders in this,
the were the forebear.
Speaker 3: The the the people who are care on the tradition
of this of deurrascination and destroying the nuclear family and
destroying and seeking to get people to not be Americans,
not be Americans anymore, and not be Germans.
Speaker 2: It's more important to do it in Europe because you
know that's where the war was. People started. Well, all
these people who didn't grow up in church and weren't
taught that Israel is God's people and that they can
do what they want. And if Israel doesn't rebuild the
Second Temple, Jesus isn't going to come back. Well, you
have a whole generation of people now who didn't go
to church to learn that. Where would they possibly learn that?
And they started revolting on campuses and then when oh shit,
our gollums are turning on us, and you saw panic.
Anybody who remembers the Ben Shapiro videos, Dave Rubin who
had never even talked about being Jewish in the passing
Except in Passing, you saw all these people who, like
all of a sudden, they had this awakening of their identity,
or maybe they had their identity all the long, and
they were just all along and they were just hiding it,
and they felt like they had to bring it out now.
And people went and a lot of other people who
I mean I was already awakened to this. I was
awakened to this in nineteen ninety eight, went wait, a minute.
How do these people have so much How does this
one group have so much power? And I think it
caused insane panic within Jewish power left and right, especially
right wing Israel just started going nuts, started killing people randomly,
killing civilians didn't matter, just dropping bombs on them. And
you know, of course they get to say that everyone
they kill is Hamas, everyone we killed is a terrorist,
all four every two year old we killed as a
terrorist or a potential terrorist and hild yeah or yeah.
Human shield. That's that's always my favorite too. Masad headquarters
is right in the middle of a busy Tel Aviv neighborhood,
but that's not a human shield. I mean, if you
were if you were going to go to war with them,
and you wanted to take out their intelligence, you'd have
to take out a residential neighborhood. But that wouldn't be
considered a human shield. It wouldn't be considered using being
human shields. And I think they went into panic mode.
And I think that's what you're seeing. I think you're
seeing is crap. A bunch of people have started to
recognize that we have this overrepresented power in a lot
of different things. Thomas Massey coming out on Tucker's podcast
and saying that everyone, everyone, everyone in Congress has an
apac handler mm hm. Candice Owens starting to talk about things.
People just people talking about this and it becoming an
open conversation and people who are listening to this right
now who are like, this is complete anti Semitism. People's
talking pizza talking about because you're just not allowed. You're
not allowed to talk about this. If you talk about
black crime. Oh yeah, I mean that's that's racist, you know,
I mean, you shouldn't be taught, you know, you start
making socioeconomics, the economic arguments and excuses and everything. But
it's a special kind of evil if you talk about
these kind of people, when you talk about Jews, when
you bring up the fact that, oh, who started the
Ukraine War Victoria Newland and prosecuted Anthony Blincoln. How they're
all from one tribe and all of their ancestors come
from Ukraine. And there's more synagogues in Odessa than there
are in all of Israel.
Speaker 1: To the look what they're doing to the traditional Orthodox
Church in the Ukraine now, I mean, they're completely decimating it.
If you you can follow follow Father John Whiteford on
on his telegram, and he's got stories after story after story,
day after day after day, how they're completely desecrating the icons,
how they're completely desecrating the church, How they're like just
just you know, perversely, you know, going in there and
you know, putting on this liturgy and turning it into
like a clown mass type of situation like you.
Speaker 2: Had with the with the Catholics a while back.
Speaker 1: You know, and it's just this complete perversion of the
whole Orthodox faith. And it's like, what is happening and
why are we allowing this to happen?
Speaker 2: And what a Jewish president and a Jewish president is
doing it, you know, is presiding over it. And I
think that's what we're seeing. I think we're seeing. But
I mean, honestly, I think what happened over the weekend
is you know, it's like you said earlier, you said,
Israel is going to be the last domino to fall.
I think what happened over the weekend. This was my opinion.
On Saturday night when they called it, I said, they
went to Russia. I don't know who they is. It
could be the Trump administration, it could be the current administration,
it could be the incoming administration or the current administration,
or a combination of both, and said we will give
you what you want in Ukraine, wind everything down, and
went to Iran and said, we will leave you alone.
You just can't back Syria. You can't back Syria. And
what's happening right now. And I think somebody also got
a hold of the Syrian Arab Army, because the Syrian
Arab Army is one of the greatest armies on the planet,
and they stood down. So somehow this huge group, I mean,
there's no way, Okay, So anyone who knows anything about
the Syrian Arab Army knows that there is no way
any foreign force or any force within there. The quote
unquote moderate rebels al Qaeda whatever they're calling themselves now
could take that country in a week, in less than
a week. But they did, and it's because some kind
of deal was made and some kind of standing down
order was made. I'm just glad that Asad and his
family are in Russia and they're safe, because I did
not want to see that great man end up like
Paddafi in the streets. Yeah, and yeah, that's what I'm seeing.
I'm seeing. I think that they they managed to you
know Israel managed to pull a w out of all this.
Now what's happening now? I mean, looks like infrastructures being bombed.
It looks like the country is going to be left
to head shoppers, just like every other country gets left
to head schoppers everywhere. But what I think you're seeing
is is it, to go back to your question, is
it because of Pal Maybe a little bit, Maybe that's
a consideration, but I think it had I think it
has more to do with what happened on October seventh,
and that a lot of people's eyes were just opened,
and a lot of people's consciousness, even on the Israeli side,
were awakened. And you saw what you've been seeing since
October seventh, that you've basically been seeing. You've been seeing
a year of ideologies. I even think that I think
that left left uh liberal Jews and conservative Jews are
having a war with each other to this day. I
think that started on July, on on October seventh as well.
Speaker 1: Just a from the Russian perspective, I just wanted to ask,
so you think there was a deal cut with Russia
that they would take a sod and and give him
refuge in return, the Ukraine war winds down, they get
the don Bass and Crimea, but in exchange they give
up their naval base in Syria.
Speaker 2: Right, because if they get their naval if they get
don Bass, and if they get don Bass and Crimea,
they don't need they don't need a port. They don't
need that port in the Mediterranean anymore. Now they have
Now they have ports. Now they have port access to
the South. And you know, Iran obviously just wants to
be left alone. And the whole Iran thing was was
bluster anyway, because anyone who's studied this, and I've done
several episodes on this, you can't win a war with Iran. No,
you don't want to go to war with Iran and
Iran especially Yeah, yeah, I mean you can draw them out,
you can, you know, you can draw them out and
maybe fight them in Iraq or fight them get them
to come to Syria or something like that. But you
cannot win a war in Iran. First of all, you
have no place to stage. From the last war gaming
that I heard from a friend of mine who was
actually part of that war gaming, which has been declassified
now in the aughts, was they were going to stage
from Azerbaijan. They can't. You can't stage Azerbaijean isn't even
a good place to stage from. You can't. You're not
gonna be able to stage from Turkey. You're not gonna
be able to start stage from Afghanistan. You'd have to
re you'd have to reinvade Iraq to to go in Iraq.
It's just not a war that can be won. And
you can't even win that war from the air, right
because you because because of the I mean, the first
thing you want to do when you consider any kind
of war, even air war, is pull up a topographical
map of the area. It's all mountains, and you have s.
Four hundred systems, possibly s five hundred systems sitting behind
those mountains, and they can pretty much shoot anything down.
Speaker 1: So the only the only thing I consider is I
heard somebody talking about this the other day that if
the US were going to like declare war on Iran,
they wouldn't they wouldn't stage in Iserbaijan and and actually
go to kinetic war. What they would do is they
would just shut off all the imports of food going
into Iran because Iran can't really grow anything, and so
they depend on imports for food, and so they would
just starve them out.
Speaker 2: You'd have to You'd have to have Russia on your side. Yeah,
that would make sense. Yeah, you'd have to rush on
your side because Russia would figure out a way. Iran
has been such a great ally to Russia that they
would make sure that Russia Iran got taken care of.
So you'd have to find a way for Russia to
shut them out. Turkey is a wild card and all this.
Nobody even knows what Turkey is now. I mean, just
six months ago they were threatening to invade Israel and
then now they just helped to topple Syria. So who
the hell knows what's going on? Man, I mean, there's
so much to this, and I really just think it's
going towards the post war consensus is dying. You're seeing
more conservative leadership being elected in European countries, even when
they say like they just did in Romania where they
just said no, they made it, made it invalid. All
that does is just empower empower the right. You know what,
what you can call the right or what I would
call nationalists. It empowers nationalists more, and you're not gonna
be able to do that. You're not gonna be able
to stop them forever. It's like, you know, they're talking
about alternative for Deutschland a FD in Germany. Oh well,
you know, we just outlaw them. Okay, you're just gonna
make them stronger. You're just gonna make You're gonna there's
gonna be more people. You're gonna have smarter people who
are gonna Yeah. I mean, it's right now, we're in
that midpoint where the old world, this old regime, still
has a lot of power and it is doing a
lot of damage. But anybody who can see, and especially
if you look at it from a metaphysical lens, you
can see that it's dying. You can see that it's
being defeated. You can see, you know, if you know
your Bible, if you know your church history, you can
see what's happening with this regime and this ideology that's
taken over the West and basically destroyed it, and you
can see how it's phasing out and how you're going
to have this shift. Now, that shift can happen, That
shift can take fifty to one hundred years, but it's
obvious that it's happening. You know, I've said, I said
probably a year a year and a half ago, that
I thought that the spirit of the New Age was
going to be authoritarianism, either left or right authoritarianism. And
I don't think it's going to be left authoritarianism, because
that's basically what it's been for one hundred years. But
that's also not something that can normally happen overnight. People
are going to have to become accommodated to it. I
think the spirit of the age and I think Miranuk
when Maranchuk talks about, you know, the avengeful sun archetype
that points towards authoritarianism. And you know, given the choice
of a left or right, I would choose right, but
I'm ready for left too. So yeah, I'm just I'm
just realistic. I mean, what I like to live in
a you know, nice in a community that was so
tight knit and insular that it could be live like
a have a libertarian kind of sure, but that also
depends on it being monocultural and you know, people sharing
the same values or anything like that. I don't think
that happens. And I don't think you know, another thing
that I've said that I know a lot of people
you know, just haven't listened to me in a while,
but I've said that. Yeah, the reason Singapore works is
Singapore is not monocultural. People will look at it and go, well,
it's you know, Asians. There's different Asian groups, and Asian
groups hate each other. I mean, do you think the
Chinese and the Japanese like each other? Right? Do you
think the Chinese and the Vietnamese like each other? I
mean the reason they get along and why Singapore is
seen by I mean, I know libertarians, you know libertarians
who moved there, you know, bitcoin like people who've made
a ton of money off of bitcoin and they move there.
The reason why it's so orderly and why you can
drop your wallet and someone will pick it up and
chase you for six blocks to give it back to
you is because it's an authoritarian regime. You can't have
multiculturalism without the threat of without the threat of you know,
somebody of the state clamping down upon you, or someone
clamping down upon you and you know, whipping you, which
which they do they do lashes with I forget what
kind of they came people like publicly right, Well, that's
the way you if you want to have a multi
cultural society. To me, the only way I can see
that that works is by having that by having authoritarianism,
and by having that kind of threat hanging over people's heads.
The the only way you're going to have peace, you know,
when you go to you know, when people talk about
places in the world where there isn't a lot of crime,
well by El Salvador right now, it's El Salvador libertarian.
I think a lot of people would say that bou
Kelly is a dictator, benevolent dictator. Where do you have
you know, or like one of my other favorites is well,
you know, and those cities are so violent is because
they have Democrat mayors. Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine have
Democrat mayors all over the place, big cities. What three
states are in the top five of like least amount
of crime and violence in the country, Vermont, New Hampshire
and Maine. What do they have in common? Are they monoculture?
Are they multicultural? Maybe start taking that into consideration. And
then you look at places like New York City where
unless you have a cop on every other corner, which
they did when Giuliani cleaned up the city quote unquote
cleaned up the city, you're going to have violence. So yeah,
that's what I'm saying. That's what I've come to. That's
what a lot of people will say is just completely
racist and antisemitic and all sorts of phobics. And I
don't care because I know I'm right.
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Speaker 1: Pete, Man, I always appreciate that you're always willing to
come on and chat with me and just be open
and about how you feel about things. Man, It's always
fun to have these conversations.
Speaker 2: No, Man, I appreciate it. Tommy. I wish I last
time I was in Texas recently, I wish I could
have seen you, but you were I think that you
were traveling. That was when. That was when you were traveling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably I was. I was going most of October so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's so. Yeah, that's when we were there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I got I got back like middle of November,
so I was going about three three weeks.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you for inviting me on.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, man, I'm gonna stop the recording