Speaker 1: O, Hey, what's up.
Speaker 2: My name is Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening
Speaker 2: to Wicked and Grim.
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Speaker 2: Welcome, Hello, gohen, what's up?
Speaker 1: It feels a little different this time.
Speaker 2: It feels different. We have like some serious cool shit
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 1: We're like we probably like, I don't know what was it.
Speaker 1: We're probably at I'm seeing stumbling words. I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to say. Oh my god, like eighty ish
Speaker 1: to ninety ish listeners as of last episode, and as
Speaker 1: of releasing this one, we're at almost six hundred of
Speaker 1: you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it actually feels like a little bit. I'm almost
Speaker 2: a little nervous.
Speaker 1: Which is I mean, it's weird. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to say. I don't know how to act. I'm just like,
Speaker 1: you know, like buttoning up my shirt, making sure proper
Speaker 1: for everybody. Okay, I don't know, probably not, but we'll
Speaker 1: give your best.
Speaker 2: We also probably had like twenty five hundred listens I think, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we just hit twenty five hundred downloads, listens plays,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to say on the last episode.
Speaker 2: And and drum roll, please.
Speaker 1: Can I do a drum rollogoo?
Speaker 2: What are we at now?
Speaker 1: Ten thousand, ten thousand, two hundred and six, to be exact.
Speaker 2: That's freaking wild, It's crazy.
Speaker 1: You guys have blown us out of the water this week.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your support, and welcome to
Speaker 1: everyone else who's tuning in. We appreciate you guys. We've
Speaker 1: got messages comments of people actually binge listening listening days,
Speaker 1: which makes me like terrified because I can't imagine I
Speaker 1: should go back and listen to our first episodes.
Speaker 2: Oh you were going to?
Speaker 1: I haven't yet, but I can't imagine how we've changed
Speaker 1: since then.
Speaker 2: Already, Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: Remember those episodes where we had like bloopers left in
Speaker 1: by accident.
Speaker 2: There's only been a one, isn't there?
Speaker 1: I think there's like two, isn't there? And there was
Speaker 1: just one either way. All the new people went back
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Speaker 2: So yeah, oh okay there because there was my my
Speaker 2: complete shit shows.
Speaker 1: Fire all the episode five.
Speaker 2: In the Donals. I apologized about that. Oh that was
Speaker 2: just a rocky road, a rocky road. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 2: but honestly, they're binging. People are binging like seventeen episodes
Speaker 2: in two days, which I was like, or even twenty
Speaker 2: four hours.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah there was.
Speaker 2: People said you did it in one day, like good work, Yes,
Speaker 2: like you deserve a medal pat on the.
Speaker 1: Back at least cheers to you, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Our dog just loudly sighed she's tired.
Speaker 1: Of our shit. Yeah, she's like, you guys don't deserve them.
Speaker 2: Okay. And the other super cool thing, Ben, what are
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Speaker 1: I am drinking some juice from Cold Juicery.
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Speaker 1: Probably that's the only reason we became affiliates with Cold
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Speaker 1: Make sure you're Northern BC. Yes, for the month of June.
Speaker 2: For the month of June, I'm just gonna say we're
Speaker 2: drinking the Bold juice, which is actually one of my faves.
Speaker 2: Apparently Ben is really enjoying it.
Speaker 1: I kind of want to turn it into like a well, I'm.
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Speaker 1: noticed when I drank this juice, I had my pinky.
Speaker 2: In the air, you did. Yeah, So anyway, we'll put
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Speaker 1: great business. Okay, you ready for this?
Speaker 2: I am so ready because okay, this is like one
Speaker 2: of the requests. We have probably gotten the most to
Speaker 2: do this case.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is. And my mic is like sagging here,
Speaker 1: so I'm sorry, kind adjust a bit. I got a
Speaker 1: like actually I have a saggy mic. There's a pill
Speaker 1: for that.
Speaker 2: Oh god it I couldn't. I could not let that go.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we have a on our like highlights in
Speaker 2: our stories, a place where you can request cases that
Speaker 2: you think we would cover really well or just sweet cases,
Speaker 2: And this one like came up constantly, yes, and we're
Speaker 2: doing it so yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and I just want to give you guys that
Speaker 1: heads up. Like usually we like to tell the story
Speaker 1: from the perspective of the victims, like as much as
Speaker 1: possible we can, you know, because we don't want to
Speaker 1: help promote serial killers.
Speaker 2: And their ass whole life or an exactly.
Speaker 1: But the scenario is a little bit different. It's going
Speaker 1: to be from the other side of things. It is
Speaker 1: going to be from the killer's perspective. This is the
Speaker 1: case of Canada's worst random massacre in history. So we're
Speaker 1: going to look at the events leading up and what
Speaker 1: took place and like, what's in the account through his eyes?
Speaker 2: The worst?
Speaker 1: Did you say it is the most worst random massacre?
Speaker 2: Random?
Speaker 1: Yes, this is the story of the Shell Lake massacre. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys are ready for this,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. This is a tough one. So
Speaker 1: take our warning at the beginning of this podcast, very
Speaker 1: very seriously. Yeah, you consider yourself warned.
Speaker 2: Okay, you just got really serious. Now, I'm like, do
Speaker 2: I want to be.
Speaker 1: Well, it's I mean, of course it is a murder case,
Speaker 1: the massacre, but there is one specific spot in this
Speaker 1: where it gets a little extra heavy.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it.
Speaker 1: So the story begins in a small village called Leask
Speaker 1: I think that's how you say it, l e A
Speaker 1: s K. It's just north of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, and it
Speaker 1: takes place in nineteen forty six.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, I didn't realize this was quite that old.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a while ago. It's a while ago,
Speaker 1: but it's in the nineteen hundreds at least, so it's
Speaker 1: not too long ago.
Speaker 2: That's pretty long ago.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we were born like what forty two
Speaker 1: years after this guy.
Speaker 2: Was born, which is a long time.
Speaker 1: So anyways, it starts in nineteen forty six with a
Speaker 1: young boy named Victor Ernest Hoffman. He grew up in
Speaker 1: an ordinary family of devout Lutheran Christians. Like other farmers
Speaker 1: in the district, the Hoffman's practice mixed farming, which is
Speaker 1: a practice of both growing hay and raising cattle. It's
Speaker 1: kind of back and forth, right, Okay, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of that around here too. Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't know there was like a name to it.
Speaker 1: Well, now you know, you've done did learn something today.
Speaker 1: So they would follow the seasons, you know, the routine
Speaker 1: of the season, hanging in certain seasons and moving the
Speaker 1: cattle and all that sort of stuff. And it included
Speaker 1: the occasional holiday, just like anyone who works in nine
Speaker 1: to five, but it would usually revolve around the farm schedule. Right.
Speaker 1: They worked pretty hard and when the farm allowed then
Speaker 1: maybe they would take a little holiday if possible.
Speaker 2: Farming is like a really tough lifestyle.
Speaker 1: It is. You gotta be you got to be a
Speaker 1: hard worker and you got to be tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So now, of course, being religious, they also had Sundays
Speaker 1: which was the Lord's Day and was primarily used for
Speaker 1: church and worship. So it's your pretty standard family, especially
Speaker 1: for in the nineteen forties, you know, Northern Canadian farming
Speaker 1: family going to church, raising some kids, doing that whole
Speaker 1: yet to me, yep, it's pretty pretty standard. So everyone
Speaker 1: in this little district where they grew up in Leask,
Speaker 1: the village and the surrounding area, they were all like
Speaker 1: pretty much friends according to mister Hoffman, which.
Speaker 2: Was it was a small town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was considered a village, so it's pretty small.
Speaker 1: I'm not too sure what a village consists of. I
Speaker 1: think a village is like under four hundred people or
Speaker 1: something like that.
Speaker 2: That's pretty small.
Speaker 1: So according to Victor's parents, everyone in the area were
Speaker 1: civil and friends. And there's a quote here actually from
Speaker 1: the father. We live in a nice district and the
Speaker 1: people are very nice. We are well known here.
Speaker 2: Everyone just fucking nice.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows each other and everyone's just fucking nice. According
Speaker 1: to Nicole, it's a very tight knit community. Let's put
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: So to his parents, Victor was an excellent farmer, hard worker,
Speaker 1: and a responsible person. He didn't seem very different from
Speaker 1: and the other kids around his age. He seemed healthy.
Speaker 1: He was a bit quiet and shy, but he was
Speaker 1: able to amuse and entertain himself easily, just like any
Speaker 1: other kid going outside to play sort of thing. Right.
Speaker 1: He did have one close friend, but he mostly kept
Speaker 1: to himself. As I mentioned, he was kind of shy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so as he grew up, he did drink or smoke,
Speaker 1: and though he wasn't overly religious, he did occasionally attend church,
Speaker 1: mostly just to make his parents happy, mostly his dad. Okay,
Speaker 1: so in grade nine he did begin begin missing school
Speaker 1: a bit like many of us do, going through that
Speaker 1: rebalance stage of life. Exactly.
Speaker 2: I never had that.
Speaker 1: I skipped school I think twice. Once was to go
Speaker 1: the new system system of a down came.
Speaker 2: Remember I knew you then.
Speaker 1: And the other time was I wanted to go to
Speaker 1: the dollar store. I don't think you are goodie too, shoes.
Speaker 2: You're welcome to my parents. Really, I was amazing.
Speaker 1: We're both pretty good kids.
Speaker 2: Actually our parents. I feel like we're pretty lucky them.
Speaker 2: Not like that, like we had the same parents. We
Speaker 2: do not have the same parents.
Speaker 1: My parents and your parents are lucky.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: You're welcome, mom and dad. Anyways, moving on from that
Speaker 1: awkward conversation thing.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that was good.
Speaker 1: So he began missing in school a little bit, and
Speaker 1: the principal questioned why Victor wasn't coming to school when
Speaker 1: the odd time when he was missing it. His parents
Speaker 1: and principal talked, and the principal said, Victor is is
Speaker 1: no trouble. He's very good in school, or he behaves
Speaker 1: good in school at least okay, and he had no
Speaker 1: trouble and he would have no trouble going right up
Speaker 1: to grade twelve and graduating high school.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: But Victor didn't really progress like the principal had expected
Speaker 1: or his parents had expected. Around grade nine something went
Speaker 1: wrong and another. There's a lot of quotes through this,
Speaker 1: just so you.
Speaker 2: Know, I love that though.
Speaker 1: So here's a quote from his father. His father said,
Speaker 1: as far as being smart, he was just as smart
Speaker 1: as the rest of the boys. He used to work
Speaker 1: here and fix bicycles for the neighbor boys. In what
Speaker 1: they couldn't fix, he could.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's actually like a compliment and a half.
Speaker 1: It is. So he's he's he's got his head on straight.
Speaker 1: He's he's a smart kid, and he he can work
Speaker 1: with his hands. He's a hard worker. He's he's knowing
Speaker 1: what he's doing. He's very what's the word I'm looking for, competent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Victor continued to work in the farm and was
Speaker 1: extremely good at whatever work he would do, and so
Speaker 1: much so that he would even work on other farms occasionally.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, he got recruited.
Speaker 1: He did. He had a knack for figuring out a
Speaker 1: lot of issues on farms, like how to plant the
Speaker 1: seeds properly or hay the fields in a certain way,
Speaker 1: because it's like you got lots of ruts or wet
Speaker 1: spots and all this sort of thing, So figuring out
Speaker 1: the lay of the land sort of thing. He had
Speaker 1: no problem overcoming any obstacles out in the field like that,
Speaker 1: whereas a lot of people had issues problem solving.
Speaker 2: I've gone by farms and stuff, it's always really impressive,
Speaker 2: like you see little patches of like where it's probably
Speaker 2: too wet, and I'm like, oh, man, like they just
Speaker 2: know they're feeling so well, that's impressive.
Speaker 1: And Victor had no problem reading the field like that
Speaker 1: and was able to figure it out no problem. So
Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing when it came to
Speaker 1: the field work. Little did his parents know, though, Victor
Speaker 1: was struggling. And maybe it was because he was able
Speaker 1: to hide it well. Or maybe it was because his
Speaker 1: parents were distracted with the farm, or maybe it was
Speaker 1: because they had six other kids taking up their time
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: That was wrong.
Speaker 1: Well, either way, Victor, Victor was suffering alone. Let's put
Speaker 1: it that way.
Speaker 2: Mental health, we'll get into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll definitely get into it. Jumping ahead a little bit.
Speaker 1: According to medical reports, Victor had actually been suffering here
Speaker 1: it is from schizophrenic schizophrenia most of his life.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Victor recounted an event from his childhood that here you
Speaker 1: ready for this, that he saw the devil when he
Speaker 1: was just six years old.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, holy shit.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine being six years old face to face
Speaker 1: with a devil? Oh my parts, Nope, I'm out, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: And then on top of it, hiding.
Speaker 2: That from your parting that for that long and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, thanks, Well, yeah, like you probably wouldn't feel
Speaker 2: comfortable saying that, knowing that they were like religious and stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, I would think, I like, from my perspective,
Speaker 1: and I mean, I'm not schizophrenic by any idea or anything.
Speaker 1: Maybe I am, I don't know, maybe you're a figment
Speaker 1: of my imagination. Shit. Anyways, from my perspective, I would
Speaker 1: think that like going to my parents or the church
Speaker 1: or praying or something might be able to help me
Speaker 1: from the devil.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to tell your parents might be helpful. It's actually
Speaker 2: surprising at that age that he could hide it from them.
Speaker 2: I remember I would probably like kindergarten grade one, and
Speaker 2: I like prank called someone and I didn't last like
Speaker 2: a fuck an hour before I had to tell them,
Speaker 2: and I was freaking out.
Speaker 1: The guilt got to you.
Speaker 2: But I was just like bawling, Oh my gosh, I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't you have to tell us what the
Speaker 1: prank call involved. I've never heard the story before.
Speaker 2: Oh it was nothing like I literally just the phone
Speaker 2: and dialed numbers and then someone was like hello, hello,
Speaker 2: and then I hung up.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's not even a prank call. But then I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm a terrible person. Wow. That is yeah, Laine, underwhelming,
Speaker 2: it's very lame. But I couldn't even hold that in.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So there you go. I wouldn't be able to hold
Speaker 2: in that I saw the devil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. Anyways, let's get back to the story
Speaker 1: a bit here. I'm going to tell you what the
Speaker 1: devil actually looked like. Oh, I want to know the
Speaker 1: creature stood. I'm going to refer to his creature devil
Speaker 1: back and forth a little bit, depending on how I
Speaker 1: wrote this. I'm sorry, that's fine. I was tired when
Speaker 1: I wrote it, so that's fine. The creature or devil
Speaker 1: stood about six feet tall. He was black as night
Speaker 1: with a long tail. But this encounter wouldn't be the
Speaker 1: only encounter with the beast. He would also begin to feel,
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, at times of day,
Speaker 1: random places wherever, that he was being seduced by both
Speaker 1: Satan and God, being pulled one direction or the other.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah for a little six year old boy, and as
Speaker 1: he's grown up to feel this sort of.
Speaker 2: Shit, well yeah, that's like traumatizing.
Speaker 1: Rely Oh, it's brutal. Sometimes he would even hear tapping
Speaker 1: sounds and would wake up at night to a drumming
Speaker 1: sound that would get faster and faster.
Speaker 2: And that's the devil.
Speaker 1: Well, I would most likely think so. Either that or
Speaker 1: it's just some noisy neighbor with a drum.
Speaker 2: Set like you. You don't have a drum set, but you
Speaker 2: can be a noisy well, not even a neighbor to
Speaker 2: live with you. You're noisy.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love you too. Wow, I loved you too.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. So, when he was about ten, he began
Speaker 1: having strange experiences and daily impulses to quote unquote kill
Speaker 1: at ten at ten years old, okay, he would have
Speaker 1: impulses to kill strangers, oh, my neighbors and even friends
Speaker 1: when he would meet them.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, I that's so little. Yeah, you should be
Speaker 2: like making my pies.
Speaker 1: And stuff making.
Speaker 2: That's very specific, not like being visualized and killing people.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure ten year olds these days are playing
Speaker 1: fortnight and.
Speaker 2: Texting and sit well, ten year old back then wouldn't
Speaker 2: be doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no kidding. So, like I said, through all this,
Speaker 1: he never told his parents about it, not once. He
Speaker 1: didn't discuss any of his problems, and as far as
Speaker 1: anyone knew he had, he was a normal child. He
Speaker 1: had a normal childhood, and he was maybe just a
Speaker 1: little bit shy.
Speaker 2: I can't believe he could hold that shit in.
Speaker 1: Okay, I can't hold in a fart, let alone anything
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Oh well, maybe he was better at holden in his farts.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe, or no, he probably was worse at it.
Speaker 2: I mean, because he was so good.
Speaker 1: At this, oh one of the other who knows. Anyways,
Speaker 1: he's a better man than I am. That's all I know.
Speaker 1: So throughout all his impulses to kill, he never acted
Speaker 1: towards them.
Speaker 2: Well, at ten, I doubt he could even do it.
Speaker 2: But okay, well, I.
Speaker 1: Mean you never know. I mean, give a kid a gun,
Speaker 1: you never know what's going to happen, right, especially a
Speaker 1: farm kid. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he sounds smart and tough and stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what he did do is he did direct
Speaker 1: his impulses against animals.
Speaker 2: Shit, I should have saw that coming. I have a
Speaker 2: problem with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah you do.
Speaker 2: So my reaction was more intense.
Speaker 1: Book.
Speaker 2: Oh lord, I don't know if I want to hear
Speaker 2: any of that.
Speaker 1: But okay, once he caught a cat in a trap,
Speaker 1: and he threw the trap and the cat inside a smokehouse. Nice,
Speaker 1: and he left it there for three weeks.
Speaker 2: Oh god.
Speaker 1: Okay, but he did take it out and let it
Speaker 1: go because he did feel bad.
Speaker 2: What is a smokehouse? Okay, I thought that he was
Speaker 2: like smoking it.
Speaker 1: No, he didn't smoke. He just an inactive smokehouse.
Speaker 2: A smokehouse, so he's just like holding a captive.
Speaker 1: For three Yeah, he starved it, Oh my god, in
Speaker 1: a cage for three weeks. A smokehouse though, basically, picture
Speaker 1: like a little shed with like racks in it. You
Speaker 1: can light a little fire inside and like smoke salmon.
Speaker 2: Or something.
Speaker 1: No, he didn't smoke the cat, but he did put
Speaker 1: it in there without an active fire, So he did
Speaker 1: feel bad for the cat, and he did let it go.
Speaker 1: Even though he did let this one go though, because
Speaker 1: he felt bad for the extended torture of the animal,
Speaker 1: he did continue to kill. He would club cats, he
Speaker 1: would stomp on them, hurt them in other ways. He
Speaker 1: killed dogs, several hundred squirrels, and enjoyed hunting wild game.
Speaker 1: Killing animals just straight up made him happy.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I just want to address the hunting thing real quick,
Speaker 1: because I do know hunting is like a controversial topic
Speaker 1: for some people. I'm a hunter, I do hunt. I
Speaker 1: have pulled the trigger on animals. I'm going to say
Speaker 1: that right now. I do not enjoy killing animals.
Speaker 2: Well, and it's done in the most humane way possible. Yes,
Speaker 2: And I'm feeling like he probably well, I don't think
Speaker 2: he did it that way.
Speaker 1: Well, he may have done it in the most human
Speaker 1: way possible. But when you talk to most hunters, and
Speaker 1: I have had this conversation with hunters in the past,
Speaker 1: if you talk to a hunter, ninety nine point nine
Speaker 1: percent of the times, they're a decent human being. They
Speaker 1: enjoy going out hiking, they enjoy going out camping, they
Speaker 1: enjoy tracking the animal, calling the animal, the thrill of hunting,
Speaker 1: the pride even when you do get something. But that
Speaker 1: moment in having to pull the trigger and actually take
Speaker 1: the life of an animal is the hardest thing you'll
Speaker 1: ever have to do. It's not enjoyable. No hunter that
Speaker 1: I have ever spoken to likes that part. You actually
Speaker 1: asked me a few years ago how I can pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on an animal. Do you remember what I said?
Speaker 1: If I can think if I think about it, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to do it.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's not fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So but then okay, but honestly, going to the
Speaker 2: grocery store and stuff, like those animals still like died
Speaker 2: right for you to be able to like eat them
Speaker 2: and like nourish your body and stuff.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, it's hunting is more like a
Speaker 1: as far as hunter's perspective. Yeah, it's a more sustainable
Speaker 1: way of filling your freezer and a more humane way
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 2: And it's organic as shit because lord knows what.
Speaker 1: Yes, and like one animal can feed a family for
Speaker 1: a whole year, yeah, rather than multiple animals dying for
Speaker 1: a certain parts. Anyways, that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the hunting, okay, maybe that's fine, but the
Speaker 2: killing of the cats and the friggin dogs. Uh uh.
Speaker 1: Well, my point is not that the hunting's fine. It's
Speaker 1: hunt Like he enjoys killing the animals, so that's why
Speaker 1: he hunts.
Speaker 2: That's not tool Okay, that's not cool.
Speaker 1: Like he enjoys pulling the trigger.
Speaker 2: He enjoys t He's like satisfied by doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's not a hunter.
Speaker 2: Okay, I seehere, Okay, I see where we're going with this.
Speaker 1: So finally, after five minute conversation.
Speaker 2: Sorry, everyone was along for that ride.
Speaker 1: Once he did actually beat up a younger boy and
Speaker 1: he kept beating him like the fight's over, and he
Speaker 1: kept punching, cap kicking sort of thing, and Victor actually
Speaker 1: threatened the boy and told him not to tell anyone,
Speaker 1: and the boy being fearful of the situation, and Victor obliged.
Speaker 1: He didn't tell anyone about it.
Speaker 2: Well, like what he went to his parents? And what
Speaker 2: the hell did he say happened to him?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I ran into a door.
Speaker 2: So interesting.
Speaker 1: So one day, while having breakfast, Victor began to hear voices.
Speaker 1: He heard the devil calling to him, so he followed
Speaker 1: the voice, and he followed it out and to that
Speaker 1: he saw a figure standing before him that was about
Speaker 1: six foot six tall six foot sixty inches tall, sorry,
Speaker 1: that weighed about three hundred pounds and looked like a pig,
Speaker 1: and it had no clothes on. Is that the devil,
Speaker 1: I would assume. So he's described the devil a little
Speaker 1: bit differently a few times, but this is a very
Speaker 1: specific description that I have found. So the first one
Speaker 1: and this one are two different ways he has described
Speaker 1: the devil. Oh okay, it's a big pig like figure,
Speaker 1: basically weird, ugly. Yeah. When he saw the figure, it
Speaker 1: told him that he would have to that he could
Speaker 1: make him very rich if he would only just bow
Speaker 1: to him. Oh boy, like anyone. Though, Victor was reluctant.
Speaker 1: He didn't bow to the devil, but eventually he did
Speaker 1: kneel down on one knee, thinking this would make him
Speaker 1: half as rich and still please the devil.
Speaker 2: Oh goodness, he.
Speaker 1: Didn't become rich, of course, maybe because the devil wasn't
Speaker 1: real or but Victor thought it was because he refused
Speaker 1: to actually fully bow to the devil. Since then, he
Speaker 1: saw the devil about a total of twenty times. One time,
Speaker 1: the devil even helped them pick berries.
Speaker 2: Actually, oh my gosh, that's so random.
Speaker 1: But the devil wasn't very good at it. I guess I.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't be very good at picking berry either.
Speaker 1: No, you wouldn't, oh, not picking. I thought you said
Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to pick. I thought you were going
Speaker 1: different way with that. I thought you're gonna say you
Speaker 1: didn't want to pick berries with the devil. That's gonna
Speaker 1: be like what it's a nice Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 2: No, first, I'm not going to at picking berries, and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to pick them the devil.
Speaker 1: Could you imagine though, just like off in the field
Speaker 1: picking berries with the devil? Okay, what berries do you
Speaker 1: picture picking when you think of that. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but I just thought blueberries. All of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: was like blueberries, just picking blueberries with the devil.
Speaker 2: I think it went like strawberries. That's like really random
Speaker 2: and weird. It is, anyways, not a memory as a child.
Speaker 1: Well, if that's not unsettling enough, though, He also saw
Speaker 1: disembodied cold hands several times. They were floating and they
Speaker 1: would then feel and touch him on his neck and body.
Speaker 1: So just floating hands that would just grope him basically cool.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything about sexually, but it would like
Speaker 1: grope him.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: And not much can beat that. Oh gosh wow. Okay, anyways,
Speaker 1: Shortly after he saw the devil, when he was young,
Speaker 1: Victor also began to see what he would call angels.
Speaker 1: They looked like human beings and they were mostly dressed
Speaker 1: like women. One angel tried to actually protect him one
Speaker 1: day and told him many times that he needed to
Speaker 1: stop killing these animals, but then the devil attacked her,
Speaker 1: and oh, yeah, it's kind of fucked up and claim
Speaker 1: and he claims that he suddenly found himself standing there
Speaker 1: with a sword in his hands. So the devil is
Speaker 1: wrestling with an angel and Victor's standing there and with
Speaker 1: a sword in his.
Speaker 2: Hands, which is random.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did, Okay, let's move on.
Speaker 2: He would somehow probably described that sword somewhere.
Speaker 1: Well, if there even was one, okay, but whatever it was,
Speaker 1: if there was anything in his hands or not. He
Speaker 1: succumbed to the urge to attack another angel that was
Speaker 1: beside him.
Speaker 2: Oh he's attacking the angel.
Speaker 1: The angel he for whatever urge he had. He didn't
Speaker 1: want to, but that's the urge he had. Yeah. Occasionally,
Speaker 1: God and angels would tell him that he could not
Speaker 1: make plans because only God can do this for him.
Speaker 1: So we're dealing like these are the sort of things
Speaker 1: that's going through a young man's mind, like starting at
Speaker 1: the age of six, and he's bill in school at
Speaker 1: this point, like this.
Speaker 2: Is He's like, it doesn't have any outlet, outlet to
Speaker 2: be talking about this ship to anyone.
Speaker 1: With and like right around now he's he's about the
Speaker 1: age of fifteen, and he's also like, we're just getting
Speaker 1: into this, but he's also obsessed with guns. He's getting
Speaker 1: into guns now.
Speaker 2: It's perfect combination.
Speaker 1: So it's it's deep, it's dark, and it's it's.
Speaker 2: So messy because back then too, like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I feel like mental health or mountain illnesses is like
Speaker 2: more of a thing that's like you could openly be
Speaker 2: about now, yeah, and back then it's probably like even harder. Right, oh, definitely,
Speaker 2: like not like almost frowned upon or whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was your.
Speaker 2: Shit together or whatever. So it's come a long way, thankfully, thankfully,
Speaker 2: thankfully for sure.
Speaker 1: Holy So, like I said, Victor was obsessed with guns
Speaker 1: at this age, and he actually broke into a local
Speaker 1: store and stole several guns and ammunitions.
Speaker 2: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: He was never actually caught, though he got away with it,
Speaker 1: but his obsession got the better of him because at
Speaker 1: the age of seventeen, he broke into that same story
Speaker 1: again and a neighbor actually found ammunition that he had
Speaker 1: stole and reported it to the police. He didn't serve
Speaker 1: very long. He was only in jail for a couple
Speaker 1: of days he did. It was only like a couple
Speaker 1: of days of jail though, as far as I could find,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't very long.
Speaker 2: But they thought that he just still on ammunition, maybe
Speaker 2: not guns too. Wait what the guy that reported him
Speaker 2: did he say that he just stole like bullets and
Speaker 2: stuff or like guns.
Speaker 1: No, he found ammunition and reported him to be the thief,
Speaker 1: and so they like, sorry, I.
Speaker 2: Was not there. Okay.
Speaker 1: So throughout this whole time, the devil kept appearing and
Speaker 1: speaking to Victor, trying to get him to sell his
Speaker 1: soul and threatening him that if he didn't follow his advice,
Speaker 1: he would die a million deaths, like this is some
Speaker 1: dark shit.
Speaker 2: Well that's pretty terrifying.
Speaker 1: Well I can't I starting at the age of six,
Speaker 1: is what now been eleven years of this?
Speaker 2: Eleven years?
Speaker 1: Okay? So Victor also heard from like I said, God
Speaker 1: and angels, and God actually promised him that he would
Speaker 1: be taken to heaven if he could catch the devil.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Victor tried a few times to catch the devil and
Speaker 1: managed a few times, but the devil kept getting away.
Speaker 1: Once he even had the devil, but he had to
Speaker 1: let it go because apparently the stench was just so
Speaker 1: bad he couldn't stand it. So he never did end
Speaker 1: up actually catching that.
Speaker 2: That's like really interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when he was nineteen, he actually tried to
Speaker 1: shoot the devil and he was also unsuccessful, which is
Speaker 1: just messed.
Speaker 2: I'm just like actually feeling like really bad for him.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's going through so much.
Speaker 2: Like I feel like really bad, like he needed help
Speaker 2: that he wasn't getting definitely well.
Speaker 1: He even said at one of these times, when he
Speaker 1: tried to catch the devil and the devil escaped, the
Speaker 1: devil took away Victor's magic from him. Whatever that even means.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe it's like zest for life or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So anyways, on the morning of May
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, nineteen sixty seven, his mother heard a shot
Speaker 1: and then another shot. She went outside to the fields
Speaker 1: where Victor was and she was about halfway there and
Speaker 1: she hears him shouting, I shot the devil. She pleaded
Speaker 1: with him as she got closer. She's tried to get
Speaker 1: closer and closer to him, like don't shoot, don't shoot,
Speaker 1: And eventually she did get up to him, and she
Speaker 1: got the gun away and took Victor back to the house.
Speaker 1: That day was also a little bit different because he
Speaker 1: was feeling physically ill from some chemical treatment processes they
Speaker 1: would do to treating the grain on the farm. He
Speaker 1: had like some burns and stuff on him, so it
Speaker 1: could have made him even worse.
Speaker 2: Who knows, right, Okay, I thought that was going to
Speaker 2: go down worse, but okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems like she could have gotten shot.
Speaker 2: He was shooting his siblings or something and didn't realize
Speaker 2: or something.
Speaker 1: So anyways, a short while after they got back to
Speaker 1: the house and he took off in a car and
Speaker 1: just drove away.
Speaker 2: Oh man, yeah, she needs to stop him.
Speaker 1: Well she couldn't. Like she'd gone back to the house
Speaker 1: and he just peeled out.
Speaker 2: Oh boy.
Speaker 1: So immediately as soon as he was gone, though, his
Speaker 1: mother and father hid all the guns in the house
Speaker 1: because something something's not right at this point. Clearly they
Speaker 1: may have not known things are going wrong before, but
Speaker 1: now shouting in the middle of a field, I just
Speaker 1: shot the devil while firing shots off in the middle
Speaker 1: of the air. Something's fucked up.
Speaker 2: Something's not quite right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they hit all the guns, and thankfully they did,
Speaker 1: because half an hour later Victor returned asking where the
Speaker 1: guns are, saying, no one's going to get hurt, and
Speaker 1: they didn't give him the guns. And he left again
Speaker 1: and then came back again. And when he came back again,
Speaker 1: he said he wanted to speak to the local pastor.
Speaker 2: Oh geez, his poor parents are probably just like freaking out.
Speaker 1: Oh I can't imagine that situation.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that would be the most stressful shit to
Speaker 2: deal with.
Speaker 1: So the pastor came to see Victor that afternoon, amongst
Speaker 1: all this stress.
Speaker 2: I guess, well, of course, he probably fren sped his
Speaker 2: ass there. Well, yeah, like, let's get this down to
Speaker 2: business here.
Speaker 1: Well, and just to kind of get a perspective on
Speaker 1: the parents here, I do have a quote from the
Speaker 1: father again at this point in time, and he said
Speaker 1: that poor guy, I guess he called for help. I
Speaker 1: guess he didn't know which way to turn. So he
Speaker 1: just the pastor is where he.
Speaker 2: Was going, right, So he's going the right way at
Speaker 2: that point, yes, yes, So.
Speaker 1: While Victor was talking to the pastor, his mom tried
Speaker 1: to listen, but she couldn't hear much. The only thing
Speaker 1: she did manage to hear was right at the end
Speaker 1: of their conversation when the pastor was leaving, and Victor said,
Speaker 1: and I quote, I'd like to kill mom.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, that's shit that you don't want to hear
Speaker 2: from your son.
Speaker 1: No kidding, that's.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's terrifying.
Speaker 1: So the next day Victor was taken to the Saskatchewan
Speaker 1: Hospital at North Battleford, which is one hundred and twenty
Speaker 1: seven kilometers away. I mean, I props to them for
Speaker 1: making it through the night. Yeah, like the next day
Speaker 1: that I would have been like, yeah, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can stand next to my son who wants
Speaker 1: to shoot me. Yeah. So anyways, they made it there
Speaker 1: and the psychiatrist had found Victor to be quote unquote
Speaker 1: schizoid in the state of acute schizophrenic reaction, and that
Speaker 1: he needed to be hospitalized.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's good, though Victor.
Speaker 1: He was only getting worse at this point. He clearly
Speaker 1: understood his own condition and how bad he was getting
Speaker 1: because he voluntarily admitted himself, okay, to the clinic on
Speaker 1: May twenty ninth, nineteen sixty seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, awesome, that's good. That's a good step.
Speaker 1: It is definitely is so when he was admitted, his
Speaker 1: state became clear to psychiatrists quickly. He talked to himself periodically,
Speaker 1: he laughed when he was alone. He was concerned whether
Speaker 1: he was a boy or a girl, because he said
Speaker 1: the devil put another brain in his body as a
Speaker 1: special kind of punishment for refusing to sell his soul.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And the brain was said to belong to a girl
Speaker 1: named Denise, who now wanted to take over his body
Speaker 1: in order for her to become herself. Again.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's wild.
Speaker 1: He also complained of stomach cramps and burning sensations, and
Speaker 1: the hospital said he would masturbate daily, which I think
Speaker 1: that's just a young man's thing. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: anything to be concerned about. That's normal health, I think.
Speaker 2: Okay, no comment.
Speaker 1: Anyways, moving on. So, because of all this though, Victor
Speaker 1: said he wanted an I quote eternity of death. He
Speaker 1: just wanted it all to end.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh man, the poor thing. Really.
Speaker 1: Uh it's just crazy what he's going through.
Speaker 2: I can't that's so young because at this point, okay,
Speaker 2: is he like seventeen there? M not sure.
Speaker 1: Well, nineteen sixty seven are.
Speaker 2: Oh that's older.
Speaker 1: I think he might be twenty twenty one, somewhere in there.
Speaker 2: Still quite young. Yes, oh boy, that's like quite the life.
Speaker 1: It's I don't know if that is a life. Well yeah,
Speaker 1: frig So he reported his visions and encounters to the doctors,
Speaker 1: but he was told they weren't real and they were
Speaker 1: only in his head. But of course, you know, Victor
Speaker 1: fought that. He's like, no, like I fought the devil
Speaker 1: one point, I touched the angels and touched the devil
Speaker 1: like it's real.
Speaker 2: It feels so real to him.
Speaker 1: But he quickly came to realize that if he kept
Speaker 1: saying this, he would never get out of the hospital.
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh, so maybe they weren't handling this.
Speaker 1: Right then, Oh, the hospital definitely wasn't handling this right.
Speaker 1: We're getting into that. Don't worry, don't worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he was diagnosed with schizophrenic disorder, chronic with uncontrolled
Speaker 1: symptoms and severe social handicaps. He was started on a
Speaker 1: series of twelve ECT twelve etcs, tranquilizers, occupational therapy, and
Speaker 1: supportive psychotherapy. So to clarify, though, the ECT is electroconclude
Speaker 1: electroconvulsive therapy also referred to as electro electroshock therapy. What so,
Speaker 1: I did read up a little bit on electroshock, and
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as movies portray it to be. Okay,
Speaker 1: though it still is is not a good thing.
Speaker 2: It's not what he needed, that's for sure, right.
Speaker 1: Well, electroshock therapy it's a procedure to use to treat
Speaker 1: like depression and maybe use for people have symptoms symptoms
Speaker 1: of delusions, hallucinations, thoughts. It's electrical stimulation which lasts up
Speaker 1: to eight seconds that produces a short seizure, but because
Speaker 1: of anesthesia, the seizure actively doesn't like actually cause the convulsions.
Speaker 1: It's not known exactly how the brain stimulates the treatment
Speaker 1: like correlates between the two, but apparently it's like supposed
Speaker 1: to help the brain chemicals or neurotransmitters or something. But
Speaker 1: it's still it's usually like against people's will.
Speaker 2: And it's I wonder, I don't.
Speaker 1: Think so or if it is very rare cases, but
Speaker 1: it's very controversial treatment. But it doesn't sound as bad
Speaker 1: as movies make it seem. So sorry, I stumbled through
Speaker 1: that that was like medical copy and paste.
Speaker 2: Trying to read that we knew what you were saying
Speaker 2: there so after.
Speaker 1: His second etc. Treatment, there was improvement. He was more pleasant,
Speaker 1: less withdrawn, but still delusional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's faking it, not.
Speaker 1: Really, he's just not being as open and honest maybe,
Speaker 1: but he's definitely not faking anything. So after his fifth treatment,
Speaker 1: he was more cooperative and social and stated that his
Speaker 1: ideas of seeing the devil and talking to them were
Speaker 1: probably just his imagination. But he did say he still
Speaker 1: had magic powers.
Speaker 2: Those weren't going away.
Speaker 1: No, no, ect can't take away the magic.
Speaker 2: No, definitely magic powers. You're keeping those.
Speaker 1: Yep. Dance magic dance. Sorry. Anyways, after his ninth treatment,
Speaker 1: not much would changed, but he did claim like he
Speaker 1: was his usual self. So his twelfth treatment he was
Speaker 1: doubtful about all the devil and all the angel and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. He still believed that at times the
Speaker 1: Black Devil was with him, and he said that if
Speaker 1: he was discharged, he would try again to catch and
Speaker 1: destroy the devil.
Speaker 2: So that doesn't seem like he's really healed at all.
Speaker 1: Not really, he's not really at all.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, that doesn't seem like that's really healed at all. Yea,
Speaker 2: even remotely.
Speaker 1: But in Victor's mind, he'd never been more ready to
Speaker 1: go home and enjoy his life. So her main cooperative, pleasant, sociable,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. He was a little bit sclusive. Still,
Speaker 1: they did let him out, let him out. They did
Speaker 1: let him out.
Speaker 2: Even though he was still saying that he was seeing
Speaker 2: the devil.
Speaker 1: Yes, what okay, so we're a little bit ahead here,
Speaker 1: let me just catch up O. So killing was however,
Speaker 1: still in his mind he thought of siblings as being dead,
Speaker 1: killing his parents, classmates. To be clear, though, all these
Speaker 1: times that he does want to kill, he doesn't want
Speaker 1: to kill. It's just an urge to kill. It's not
Speaker 1: that these people deserve to die or he wants to
Speaker 1: kill him. It's just this overwhelming like sensation that he
Speaker 1: needs to kill.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of serial killers, yes, and murderers and stuff.
Speaker 2: They'd have this urge, yes, and they act on it.
Speaker 1: So he just knew he felt the urge to kill someone,
Speaker 1: but he had no reason too, but it was there.
Speaker 1: So the psychiatrist told Victor's father he was schizophrenic. Schizophrenic
Speaker 1: but not too bad.
Speaker 2: Fuck that yeah, holy frig he asked.
Speaker 1: He asked the doctor how long until Victor be able
Speaker 1: to come home? And the doctor said maybe a year
Speaker 1: or two and he'll be as good as ever. However,
Speaker 1: July twenty sixth, nineteen sixty seven, only two months after
Speaker 1: he was admitted, Victor was discharged to his family. Why
Speaker 1: I don't know, because the doctor's a dick.
Speaker 2: Two months when at one point he told his father
Speaker 2: that it was going to be like a year or two. Yep,
Speaker 2: they probably just didn't want to deal with him anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Probably I thought they couldn't do any better or whatever.
Speaker 1: That's baloney, But this seems like it's a common theme
Speaker 1: where just people aren't taken seriously, their conditions aren't taken seriously,
Speaker 1: whether they should be released sooner or later. It seems
Speaker 1: like just mental illness has never never taken as quite
Speaker 1: as serious as it should be.
Speaker 2: Well, especially back back in the day.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. So he was released with some medication though,
Speaker 1: to be clear, to help him recover. You know, just
Speaker 1: that little little good good in your system, right to go,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Oh exactly, a couple little you know, tic.
Speaker 2: TACs and you're good solid.
Speaker 1: So when he came home from the hospital, Victor knew
Speaker 1: something was going to happen to him. Oh, gosh, like
Speaker 1: right away.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, it's already just like a big mistake.
Speaker 1: In the hospital, a patient even told him that he
Speaker 1: was going to commit murder three weeks after being discharged.
Speaker 1: The boy Victor thought must have had visions or something,
Speaker 1: because Victor had visions and stuff too. Right, yeah, like
Speaker 1: this this guy knows something. He believed him. He's like,
Speaker 1: it's reading the future.
Speaker 2: What's in my head right now? I'm like, how many
Speaker 2: more cats are going to get.
Speaker 1: Well, we're not looking at cats.
Speaker 2: I know where we're done with the cats, but I
Speaker 2: still can't get over the cats.
Speaker 1: So he was glad to be home. It was hard
Speaker 1: to get used to the farming again. You know, he's
Speaker 1: a little bit weary entire, but he was. He was happy.
Speaker 1: He started being without his medication about August eighth. Victor
Speaker 1: felt like he was fine till August eleventh. Okay, and
Speaker 1: this is only like two weeks after being discharged.
Speaker 2: Right like that? Did they not say this medication was
Speaker 2: like life for life?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so. And I'm sure
Speaker 1: back then they probably didn't even care.
Speaker 2: No, no, you're good to go. If you feel okay,
Speaker 2: you're good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And around August eleventh, when things didn't quite feel right,
Speaker 1: Victor knew that something was up. He's like, I'm either
Speaker 1: going to go to jail or back to that hospital.
Speaker 1: And he didn't want to go back to that hospital
Speaker 1: because he didn't like that electric electric shock therapy. So anyways,
Speaker 1: every day after August eleventh, he would imagine killing someone again.
Speaker 1: Oh no, he just wanted to kill He wanted to
Speaker 1: kill his brothers.
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh no, you know, but he didn't so oh,
Speaker 2: I was just so, I just need to know who's
Speaker 2: going to die? Is that too much to ask?
Speaker 1: It's coming, It's coming. He confessed to his friends that
Speaker 1: day that he wanted to kill somebody, and you know,
Speaker 1: his friends are just like, you don't seem like the type.
Speaker 1: That's it. You don't seem like.
Speaker 2: The type, okay, but honestly, like, legitimately, your friends would
Speaker 2: probably never think that. You would, like, if I admitted
Speaker 2: something like that, I think my friends would be like, no,
Speaker 2: I mean some leading up ship to it. Yeah, he
Speaker 2: was in a mental facility.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he just came out of a mental facility
Speaker 1: and he's confessing to you he wants to kill someone,
Speaker 1: and you're like, nah, you're not the type.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're just in there for kind of having
Speaker 2: those urges and seeing the devil and weird shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little bit. That's a little bit sketch
Speaker 1: right there. So yeah, Victor couldn't sleep though killing was
Speaker 1: on his mind, thoughts that maybe he could kill might
Speaker 1: bring him closer to the devil. Why that thought was there.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to be closer to the devil, but
Speaker 1: that thought was there.
Speaker 2: So he couldn't get rid of it.
Speaker 1: He couldn't shake it, couldn't shake it. Victor spent the
Speaker 1: day of August fourteenth on the tractor, and at about
Speaker 1: nine thirty pm that day, he lay on the couch
Speaker 1: and fell asleep. His parents woke him up at about
Speaker 1: nine thirty to go to bed, you know, get off
Speaker 1: the couch, go to bed. But he couldn't fall asleep again,
Speaker 1: and he began to imagine things so to keep himself occupied.
Speaker 1: Instead of imagining these things and laying in bed, he
Speaker 1: went to the garage and worked in the garage for
Speaker 1: about an hour. Found he couldn't work anymore, you know,
Speaker 1: he was too preoccupied in his mind and physically tired.
Speaker 1: He's still recovering from the hospital. Right. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: about to say mental facility. That's not politically correct. My bad.
Speaker 1: He paced up and down when suddenly he had a
Speaker 1: strange feeling on the right side of his head. It
Speaker 1: felt as if his whole body he had been cut
Speaker 1: in half and something had left him. There was no pain, Wow,
Speaker 1: it was more pleasure. And there was a very strong
Speaker 1: impulse to kill.
Speaker 2: Okay, like even stronger than the shit.
Speaker 1: He was already dealing with, even stronger than before. With
Speaker 1: this like, oh my gosh, be cut in half feeling,
Speaker 1: it just overwhelmed him.
Speaker 2: Because I'm like, keep working in the garage. That's good,
Speaker 2: just keep your mind.
Speaker 1: He didn't keep working in the garage. He gassed up
Speaker 1: his car, Yeah, loaded up his twenty two caliber rifle,
Speaker 1: and drove off.
Speaker 2: Nice love it.
Speaker 1: As he drove past lots of houses, he felt the
Speaker 1: urge to stop at each one of them he passed,
Speaker 1: so those lucky molphos was lucky moos, And every house
Speaker 1: he passed, urge kept getting stronger. But he kept keeping
Speaker 1: kept driving.
Speaker 2: And this is like the night time, in the middle
Speaker 2: of the night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is about two in the morning.
Speaker 2: Or see, okay, it's poor people so he ended.
Speaker 1: Up coming to a farmhouse. Whether urge was particularly strong,
Speaker 1: and the voice in his head told him, this is it.
Speaker 1: This is where you have to go and do it.
Speaker 1: So unlike those other houses, Victor turned into the driveway,
Speaker 1: stopped his car, got out, picked up his gun, and
Speaker 1: went inside.
Speaker 2: I just had to like look away from you. It's
Speaker 2: like a horror movie that you have to like look away.
Speaker 1: From You're saying, I'm a horror movie, like a train wreck.
Speaker 2: You can't look at me than what you're presenting. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, I can't look. I can't look, even though
Speaker 2: I need to be covered my ears.
Speaker 1: So he approached the house of the gun, and when
Speaker 1: he entered the house, he recognized the kitchen.
Speaker 2: He recognized the kitchen he had seen it in a dream.
Speaker 2: Oh weird shit.
Speaker 1: But that thought was cut short. He was cut short
Speaker 1: by the sound of a man shouting who is it?
Speaker 1: Inside the house was the family known as the Peterson's.
Speaker 1: The man who is speaking was the father, James Peterson.
Speaker 1: And we're gonna end the episode here. We we're gonna
Speaker 1: do a second part for this boom. So if you
Speaker 1: want to hear the second part to this episode, we're
Speaker 1: gonna drop it. We like tomorrow. We're not gonna make it.
Speaker 2: Oh no, we can't make them wait a week.
Speaker 1: That would be mean, to be brutal.
Speaker 2: That'd be so rude.
Speaker 1: So that is the whole leading up to the massacre.
Speaker 1: Drop it on Thursday, Michelle Lake massacre.
Speaker 2: What we could drop it on Thursday?
Speaker 1: That's just me. We'll drop it tomorrow. We can do
Speaker 1: it tomorrow. You really want to make them wait an
Speaker 1: extra day?
Speaker 2: Wow, you're making me look like an asshole. You're like one.
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta get some Brownie points anyway I can. Right,
Speaker 1: you need points always. Brownie points are a good thing
Speaker 1: to collect. Okay, So the next episode will be tomorrow
Speaker 1: and it'll be the second part to this. And you
Speaker 1: learned all about the backstory. Now it's into the murder.
Speaker 2: Wow, shit's gonna go.
Speaker 1: Dang it is so you guys, Thank you for being here.
Speaker 1: Thank you for giving us so much support. The ten
Speaker 1: thousand downloads, the like six hundred of you who are
Speaker 1: actively listening. You guys are.
Speaker 2: Insane, amazing people it love it, love it. Appreciate you
Speaker 2: until Wednesday. Stay wicked. You