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<v Speaker 1>Pasha, this is the seventy seven WABC Mini cast. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>go back to Alice in Ohio. Alice, thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your patients, and you're right. This woman is troubling. And

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<v Speaker 1>what scares me, Alice, is how many more are like

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<v Speaker 1>this woman? She went from, she said, super patriotic, a

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<v Speaker 1>woman growing up in a patriotic household, to somehow becoming

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<v Speaker 1>radicalized and willing to carry out a very serious plot

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<v Speaker 1>that she was damned and determined to try to do.

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<v Speaker 1>That's scary, It is scary.

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<v Speaker 2>You read my mind. Where are the people on the right,

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<v Speaker 2>Independence and Republicans? Why can't we talk back to people

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<v Speaker 2>like this man? The words that he used made my

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<v Speaker 2>blood run cold, the hate he has for this country

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<v Speaker 2>and all of us. Why can't people see through it?

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<v Speaker 2>Why are we not talking back to be like that?

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<v Speaker 2>That woman deserves the firing squad. This is treason. In

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<v Speaker 2>twenty years, that's that's too little time. If they put

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<v Speaker 2>her in jail, then they need to put her in solitary.

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<v Speaker 2>Social code nuts even nuttier than she is now.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the problem is, and you know the problem is,

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<v Speaker 1>it's attempted planning. Because obviously, thank goodness, we didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>her to carry out the act, so obviously you want

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<v Speaker 1>to stop her obviously prior to, but also have enough

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<v Speaker 1>to make the case against her. It's that balance, which

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<v Speaker 1>clearly it sounds. You know, obviously everybody's innocent until proven guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>But it sure seems like they've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>information on her, and they have a lot of her

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<v Speaker 1>tapes and a lot of her comments. But I agree

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<v Speaker 1>with you, you know, the other thing that needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be found, Alice, is who was inspiring her, Who was

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<v Speaker 1>planning this, who was plotting this, Who's radicalizing her? Who's

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<v Speaker 1>how is she finding these sites online to get radicalized?

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<v Speaker 1>Was there a hand that was bringing her there? Was

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<v Speaker 1>there something? I just think there's a lot more to

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<v Speaker 1>the story that we need to know. Is there some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of chain or group of people that are getting

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<v Speaker 1>radicalized or that are coming through some particular means. Was

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<v Speaker 1>she just kind of looking Was she like a lonely,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, person sitting in her basement and then suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>somewhat upon an isis website. I don't know. I think

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<v Speaker 1>there's more to the story. What do you think, Alice?

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<v Speaker 2>I think you're right because I was thinking of the

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<v Speaker 2>same thing with someone romancing her. Have you heard the

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<v Speaker 2>way some of these uh, these people from the Middle

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<v Speaker 2>East speak, is this very flowery language. Yes, with they

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<v Speaker 2>romancing her and then they and then they drew her in.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something. Something smells, Yeah, something.

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<v Speaker 1>Smells like like how did she first have the encounter?

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? Was that, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>was it? You know, I thought about that too. Was

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<v Speaker 1>it a guy a love interest or was it or

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<v Speaker 1>was it somebody at some group who said, hey, you

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<v Speaker 1>know you take a look at this a colleague gora.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a lot of weird things going on

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<v Speaker 1>here that you don't just suddenly say, hey, can you

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<v Speaker 1>took a look at this isis website? And then you're

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<v Speaker 1>ready to blow up a building.

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<v Speaker 2>She was an easy target, I think, and this might

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<v Speaker 2>have hit at just the right point in her life

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<v Speaker 2>when she was lonely. Someone knew how to approach her,

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<v Speaker 2>and they just worked and worked and worked until they

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<v Speaker 2>finally got her. And you know, I hope she gets

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<v Speaker 2>everything she deserves, you know, Rita, I've been in parts

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<v Speaker 2>of this world that are creepy, and you just feel

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<v Speaker 2>scared just to be where.

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<v Speaker 1>You are now. Alice, you were a flight attendant, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And I'll tell you I've been in some crazy places

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<v Speaker 1>as a journalist. But I want to hear about your experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Where did you Where did you go? What part of

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<v Speaker 1>the world did you go where you felt uncomfortable? What

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<v Speaker 1>was some of the scared I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think one of the creepiest places I've ever been in Morocco.

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<v Speaker 2>There's just something there, you know. And this was many

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, Alice.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been to Syria. I've been. I've been in some.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy I haven't been there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Morocco looked. Morocco actually to me, look like Disney

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<v Speaker 1>World compared to Syria.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I haven't been to Syria.

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<v Speaker 1>Another place, I'm in Afghanistan, Alice, that was not a

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<v Speaker 1>I have been. I've been in the remote regions of Afghanistan.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you think you know, if you think

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<v Speaker 1>there's a god looking over you, that's the time you

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<v Speaker 1>call his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you've been in war zones. I haven't been in

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<v Speaker 2>war zones. But these are places that I would go

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<v Speaker 2>on my free time. I could hardly wait to get

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<v Speaker 2>out of there. There's some places just to go if

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<v Speaker 2>you're just traveling the bizarre in Cairo. It's been in

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<v Speaker 2>the same place for thousands of Khali Bazaar I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know it well. The Khali Bazars are great bazaarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's creepy. I was symbol where you have all

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<v Speaker 2>that's it's called Upper Egypt. Okay, that's a creepy place.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's probably improved, but you have to remember,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm eighty four years old. I was doing this maybe

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<v Speaker 2>you know, thirty years and forty years ago, and there

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a lot of improvements in these places. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>some places that's just creepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and many of the places very you know, third world.

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<v Speaker 1>And I by the way, Alice, you you were certainly

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<v Speaker 1>there ahead of me. And I will say, how courageous

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<v Speaker 1>of you as as a woman going to those spots

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<v Speaker 1>you were. I remember you telling me that you worked

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<v Speaker 1>with the airlines and did the airlines do any extra

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<v Speaker 1>security for you when you were in these places or

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<v Speaker 1>how did you How did you feel, you know, thirty

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<v Speaker 1>forty years ago going to some of these spots.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know at that time, you know, I started

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<v Speaker 2>out when I was in my early well I was,

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<v Speaker 2>I was twenty four years old and at that time,

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<v Speaker 2>you have no fear of anything. I would walk into

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<v Speaker 2>a bus saw I still will, but a little flower

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<v Speaker 2>than I would then. And you don't know. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>know until you're right in the middle of it. But

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<v Speaker 2>at the same time, we were trained to have eyes

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<v Speaker 2>all around our head, be careful of where you are,

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<v Speaker 2>be aware of your surroundings, don't take chances. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>just going to my dream. And this was when Generalissimo

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<v Speaker 2>Franco was the was in charge. Women could not go

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<v Speaker 2>out alone. Women would not go out alone after dark.

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<v Speaker 2>You would not do that. If you did, you have

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<v Speaker 2>someone approached you to say ah, And that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>good word from what I understand, But you weren't afraid.

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<v Speaker 2>You were safe. But a lot of times people get

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble because they do not they do not educate

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<v Speaker 2>themselves on the customs of a country.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, and that's an important thing. And you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back with that, because Alice, that's if you

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<v Speaker 1>come to this country on the flip side, you should assimilate,

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<v Speaker 1>you should appreciate this country. And when I see these people,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what's so troubling in this particular case, to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you come to this country you have to love this country.

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<v Speaker 1>And this person was born in this country. She's an

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<v Speaker 1>American and it sounds like, you know, as far as

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<v Speaker 1>we know, came from a decent family. I mean to

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<v Speaker 1>go through all of that, and then you hear, now

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on, and you hear that she got radicalized,

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<v Speaker 1>and you hear that she was, you know, just saying

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<v Speaker 1>despicable things about nine to eleven, cheering on what happened

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven. Is we're heading to the twenty fifth anniversary.

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<v Speaker 1>It breaks my heart because you have to love this country.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to love what we represent to the world.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think you know, after what you just talked about, Alice,

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<v Speaker 1>these are incredible places you've been to and what you've

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<v Speaker 1>seen in experience. You know when you when you go

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<v Speaker 1>away and every place is different, by the way, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every country is different and people are different, and I

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<v Speaker 1>love learning from different people and places. But every time

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<v Speaker 1>I come back, I said, thank God, I'm back in America.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the greatest place in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes you know, oh, yes, you know what, Rita. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a time when our reunion had we had to

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<v Speaker 2>be carried right back to our base. I was based

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<v Speaker 2>at JFK. We landed at Newark and the old New

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<v Speaker 2>York Airways helicopter had to take us from Newark to JFK.

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<v Speaker 2>That route, this is something I'll never forget. That route

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<v Speaker 2>from Newark to JFK. What I got on, he said, Alice,

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<v Speaker 2>sit over there, I knew, I knew the pilots yep,

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<v Speaker 2>and we went. We went eye to eye with a

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<v Speaker 2>statue of liberty. I will never forget that.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Wow, Alice, what what a beautiful, beautiful message. You're

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<v Speaker 1>right when you look at that beautiful statue and what

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<v Speaker 1>it represents. And you know, my parents talked about what

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<v Speaker 1>it meant coming into the harbor and seeing the Statue

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<v Speaker 1>of Liberty, and they cried because they knew it meant freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>And for you to see it ony eye, what a great,

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<v Speaker 1>great thing. Alice. You're terrific and I love you hearing

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<v Speaker 1>your stories and sharing your stories and your love of

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<v Speaker 1>our great country too. Especially Alice. Thank you.