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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right

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back to the interview given by a corrections officer, Michael Thomas,

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who ended up getting charged after he says he fell

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asleep the night that Jeffrey Epstein met his demise. And

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in our last episode we went to a break. Now

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they're back from the break and the questions are coming

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in again from the redacted investigator. Question some of those questions,

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then you might not know the answers to who are

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the MCC supervisors on duty with responsibility for overseeing the

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shoe on August nineteen, tenth, twenty nineteen. I'll actually provide

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you with this duty agent roster to help. So this

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is an MCC New York Delhi as Simon roster for

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August Friday, August ninth, twenty nineteen. Thomas the tenth question Saturday,

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August tenth, twenty nineteen. So were the MCC supervisors on

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duty with the responsibility for overseeing the shoe on August

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ninth and tenth, twenty nineteen? So who would have is

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it true that the shoe lieutenant If the shoe lieutenant

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is out of the office. Mitchell, I'm sorry, can we

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do one question at a time because you jumped to

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the second and he didn't answer it. Question, Well, it's

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because I wanted to explain that the shoe lieutenant was

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out Mitchell, okay. Question, so, who then would be responsible

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to oversee the shoe if the shoe lieutenant is out? Thomas?

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I WHOA. If the shoe lieutenant's out, who would be responsible? Question?

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Would it be the ops or activities lieutenant Thomas? For

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my shift or for the shift that I was on

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at the time, that would be? He gets cut off.

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Question just what's your understanding? So for August ninth, who

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would be like, for instance, and we can start from

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when you worked on August ninth, who on August ninth

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would have been responsible for overseeing the shoe if the

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shoe lieutenant is not there? Thomas? I guess the operations lieutenant.

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Question okay, and what does it say? Thomas? Oh? He

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gets cut off. And then after redacted gets off, it

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looks like her duty was from I think that they

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were a little different, but it shows on this that

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it was midnight to eight am. I believe they actually

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worked ten pm to six am. But after she would

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leave at either six am or eight am. Who would

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then become the person with oversight in the shoe? Thomas,

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I guess it's either he gets cut off. Question would

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it be redacted or redacted? Thomas? It would be both

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redacted and redacted. That's operations and the activities lieutenant. Question okay,

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and then after them it would be redacted and redacted Thomas. Oh, yes,

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question okay? Thomas? Well, actually, well, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Question,

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So is this how it works? These people up here,

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these are the operations lieutenant or activities lieutenant would have

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oversight of the shu mister Thomas, Well, if I'm not mistaken.

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If I'm not mistaken, I think, as I said, the

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captain is the shoe's house. So I would say, well,

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direct supervisor would be first line super would be the

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operations lieutenant and activities lieutenant. Question okay, and would it

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be he gets cut off by Thomas that goes for redacted?

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Question one or the other? Would it be that one? Typically? Thomas, Well,

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operations are a head of the whole building. Question. So

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if you had an issue with the shoe, who would

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you contact? Thomas? The operations lieutenant question? Not the activities

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Lieutenant Thomas, Well, activities doesn't come in until six in

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the morning. Question, So if the activity is lieutenant and

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both operations, Lieutenant are both present and there was I

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know you weren't working this day during that time, but

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if someone when they're both on duty, who would be

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contacted activities or operations or is it either? Thomas? You

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would just say whatever shoe needed, You say operations, you

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say operations. It really depends on the situation. Depends on

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the situation whether you would call the activities or the operations.

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But nine out of ten times mostly with this you

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call operations. Question and does activities Lieutenant sit in operations? Thomas,

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what do you mean? Question? So how does it work? Thomas?

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They can be anywhere in the building? Question? Are those

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two individuals together? Thomas, No, normally not together. They can

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be anywhere in the building. Question, So would you ever

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call on say activities Thomas? There could be an instance

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where you call and say activities when you don't want

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to bother. It depends, like I said, depending on the situation. Question. Okay,

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And when you were in the shoe on August tenth,

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who would have been who would have been or had

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oversight as lieutenant on August tenth, Thomas redacted question redacted Thomas, Yeah, question,

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Lieutenant redacted Thomas, lieutenant sir. Question, okay, great, and then

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I think that she left at six am. Who would

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have taken over that responsibility? Would it have been redacted Thomas? Uh? Yeah? Question? Okay?

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Who is lieutenant? And I don't know exactly how to

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pronounce his name, but redacted Thomas, he's redacted? No on this?

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I'm sorry, who is he not looking at this? Do

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you know who he is? Lieutenant redacted Thomas. Question, Lieutenant Thomas,

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he's a lieutenant at MCC. I think he might be

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just a quarterly shoe lieutenant. I guess. Question he was

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the shoe you, Lieutenant Thomas, yeah, question, Okay, do you

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know if he was the shoe lieutenant in August of

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twenty nineteen? Thomas, I don't remember. I don't know. Question.

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So that's not something that you would know during the

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day Thomas during the day. Yeah, question, So that's nothing.

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He gets cut off by Thomas. But it's like from

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the roster. I'm sure they posted it. It's probably somewhere

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on the roster somewhere, But I mean, if he says

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he's a shoe lieutenant. He's the shoe lieutenant. If he

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was the shoe lieutenant, if it was his quarter to

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have it, then he's the shoe lieutenant redacted. Okay, do

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you know if he was off on August ninth, twenty nineteen, Thomas,

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I don't know. Question, you don't know, sure? Absolutely. Did

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you have any communication with Lieutenant redacted with regard to

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Epstein being housed within the MCC Thomas, no question? Or

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in the shoe Thomas, no question? Any kind of email

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or any kind of communication. When I say communication, I

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mean verbal Thomas, Oh question, emails anything, Thomas, not that

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I know of, No, not that I can recall. Question. Okay, So,

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did Lieutenant redacted ever provide you with any kind of

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special instruction with regard to Epstein? Thomas, no question. Did

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Lieutenant redacted ever tell you that Epstein was required to

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have a cellmate when he was assigned to the shoe Thomas,

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no question. Do you know who was operations lieutenant redacted?

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I guess he was the operations lieutenant Thomas, yeah. Question

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is he regularly the operations lieutenant? Thomas? It he gets

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cut off? Question at the time? Thomas it varies. You know,

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it's a rotating shift, so they could have switched shifts

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at that time. It varies. Question. Okay, So according to

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this August ninth, Thomas, this says that he comes in.

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Was it six and eight, eight to four or seven

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to ten, whichever one? Well, it says, so it would

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be eight to four. Question. Okay, I think that from

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my understanding, some of the lieutenants were actually working two

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hours before Thomas. Yeah. Question, so I think he was

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actually six am to two pm, although it's confusing on

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this by looking at the roster. So when he was on,

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would have been responsible for overall oversight of the shoe Thomas, Yeah,

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if he was the operation's lieutenant. Yeah. Question Okay. Did

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you have any communication with redacted in regard to Ebstein Thomas,

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no question, or the shoe Thomas, no question. No, so

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not even any kind of not even talking about Epstein

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with anything to do with your responsibility in the shoe

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with redacted Thomas, no question. Okay, And again I'm going

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to say these names just to try and change things

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around Thomas. Fine. Question. Did Lieutenant redacted ever provide you

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with special instruction with regard to Ebstein? Thomas, no question.

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Did Lieutenant redacted ever tell you that Epstein was required

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to have a cell mate while he was assigned to

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the Shoe? Thomas, no question. Who is Lieutenant redacted? You

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don't even know, Thomas. He just started there. I think

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I want to say he just started there just to transfer.

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remember him. Thomas. Do you know if any had involvement

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or oversight of the shoe? Thomas. I probably spoke to

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him twice redacted twice. Do you know what those communications entailed?

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Thomas time question, anything to do with Epstein? Thomas, no question. No,

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never provided with any special instruction with Epstein? Thomas, No,

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he never provided any special instruction with Epstein. Question. Never

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told you that Epstein was required to have a cell mate? Thomas,

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no question. Okay, what about senior officer specialist redacted? Thomas,

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Uh huh, I know her? Question? Yeah, so on August ninth,

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if you look at this, it looks like she was

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the activity's lieutenant. Thomas, yeah. Question from what appears to

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be it says two pm to ten pm. Obviously you

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weren't there at that time, correct Thomas? Uh huh? I

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wasn't there? Question? You weren't there at any time? Did

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you have any communication with SOS redacted as far as Epstein?

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Thomas nope. Question. Did she ever give you any special

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instruction with Epstein? Thomas, no question? Did she ever tell

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you that Epstein was required? Davis el Mate Thomas no question.

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While assigned to the shoe, No Thomas, no question. Now

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we're going to talk about the staff members in the

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shoe on August tenth when you were there, Thomas, okay. Question,

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all right? What BOP employees worked in the shoe on

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August tenth, twenty nineteen, from approximately twelve am to six

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thirty am, mister Thomas on miss Nowell. Question and yourself

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Thomas and myself? Question? Okay? And what was your role

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in the shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen. Thomas, I

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was shoe too. She was Shoe one. Question. And what

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does that mean? Thomas? It just means that it's just

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where you were assigned. It's just where I was assigned.

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I was assigned there for overtime. She was assigned there

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for overtime. Question. Is there a difference between Shoe one

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and Shoe two though? Like different responsibilities Thomas. I couldn't

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you have to read the past orders, the post orders.

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I couldn't tell you question, okay, Thomas, Uh, it depends.

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I mean it really really depends. That's definitely hard to

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explain because is there a hierarchy? No, remember, because she

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has well, it's no hierarchy. Question is the person with

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you the most experienced in the bop and command? Or

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how does it work when you're in there with another

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person there's only two of you? Is there someone that's

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in charge? Thomas? I'm going to say, they're going to say,

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shoe how it is the bop, how it is at

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the jail? They say, shoe is in charge? Question okay, Thomas.

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like if I have more time with Shoe one, how

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are you going to be in charge when you have

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more time? It depends. But then again on non custody,

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so it's all different dynamics when it comes to that.

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if you bid for shoe one. If you did a bid,

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they'll say shoe one is in charge of the shoe question. Okay,

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and you were shoe too that day, Thomas, I was

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shoe too that day. Yes, question okay, But because you

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had seniority, is that, Thomas? It doesn't play out like that.

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because she's Shoe two and I'm Shoe two. I mean,

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it really doesn't play out like that, redacted. So you're

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both serving the same role, Thomas, We're both serving the

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same roles, especially on morning watch. Question okay, question, same

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duties and responsibilities, Thomas, same duties and responsibilities. Well, because

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you can't do one thing without the other. Question okay,

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because pretty much everything you do requires two people. Is

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that why Thomas supposed to? Yes? Question okay, Thomas, Yes. Question.

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And did you replace redacted? Thomas? Redacted? Redacted? Did you

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replace him at twelve am? Thomas? Okay, I guess redacted? Yes.

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If I can't remember if they said it was redacted, yeah, okay,

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I couldn't remember. It was somebody I had to replace.

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I don't remember who it was. Question, do you remember

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having any interaction with redacted when you placed him. Thomas,

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I mean redacted is like me. He's both non custody

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so we work. He is trust fund like how I'm

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trust fund. He's a material handler specialist. Question Okay, like me,

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so I'll probably I couldn't remember the exact communications that

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I started. I probably said what's up, smacked him on

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the back of the head Redacted. Any kind of conversation

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question Thomas, No, I really don't remember. Question Okay, did

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you speak with him in regard to Epstein at all?

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Question no? Or answer no. Question anything to do with

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like Reys leaving the Epstein being alone? Thomas, no. Question.

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What conversation did you have with Noel during your ship

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with regard to Epstein on August tenth? Answer none? Question

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you don't remember talking about him? Thomas, I don't remember

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talking about him. Question do you recall if anyone else

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was present at any time at all in the shoe

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on August tenth, twenty nineteen, between the hours of twelve

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am and six thirty am. Thomas, I'm sure a lieutenant

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came up. I couldn't tell you when I'm sure lieutenant

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came up once or I'm sure the lieutenant came up

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redacted And who would have been the lieutenant that would

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have come up? Thomas A lieutenant redacted. Question Okay, and

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do you remember that interaction at all when the lieutenant

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came up? Answer? No, not really, question no Thomas, uh huh.

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All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and

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