Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right
back to the interview given by a corrections officer, Michael Thomas,
who ended up getting charged after he says he fell
asleep the night that Jeffrey Epstein met his demise. And
in our last episode we went to a break. Now
they're back from the break and the questions are coming
in again from the redacted investigator. Question some of those questions,
then you might not know the answers to who are
the MCC supervisors on duty with responsibility for overseeing the
shoe on August nineteen, tenth, twenty nineteen. I'll actually provide
you with this duty agent roster to help. So this
is an MCC New York Delhi as Simon roster for
August Friday, August ninth, twenty nineteen. Thomas the tenth question Saturday,
August tenth, twenty nineteen. So were the MCC supervisors on
duty with the responsibility for overseeing the shoe on August
ninth and tenth, twenty nineteen? So who would have is
it true that the shoe lieutenant If the shoe lieutenant
is out of the office. Mitchell, I'm sorry, can we
do one question at a time because you jumped to
the second and he didn't answer it. Question, Well, it's
because I wanted to explain that the shoe lieutenant was
out Mitchell, okay. Question, so, who then would be responsible
to oversee the shoe if the shoe lieutenant is out? Thomas?
I WHOA. If the shoe lieutenant's out, who would be responsible? Question?
Would it be the ops or activities lieutenant Thomas? For
my shift or for the shift that I was on
at the time, that would be? He gets cut off.
Question just what's your understanding? So for August ninth, who
would be like, for instance, and we can start from
when you worked on August ninth, who on August ninth
would have been responsible for overseeing the shoe if the
shoe lieutenant is not there? Thomas? I guess the operations lieutenant.
Question okay, and what does it say? Thomas? Oh? He
gets cut off. And then after redacted gets off, it
looks like her duty was from I think that they
were a little different, but it shows on this that
it was midnight to eight am. I believe they actually
worked ten pm to six am. But after she would
leave at either six am or eight am. Who would
then become the person with oversight in the shoe? Thomas,
I guess it's either he gets cut off. Question would
it be redacted or redacted? Thomas? It would be both
redacted and redacted. That's operations and the activities lieutenant. Question okay,
and then after them it would be redacted and redacted Thomas. Oh, yes,
question okay? Thomas? Well, actually, well, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Question,
So is this how it works? These people up here,
these are the operations lieutenant or activities lieutenant would have
oversight of the shu mister Thomas, Well, if I'm not mistaken.
If I'm not mistaken, I think, as I said, the
captain is the shoe's house. So I would say, well,
direct supervisor would be first line super would be the
operations lieutenant and activities lieutenant. Question okay, and would it
be he gets cut off by Thomas that goes for redacted?
Question one or the other? Would it be that one? Typically? Thomas, Well,
operations are a head of the whole building. Question. So
if you had an issue with the shoe, who would
you contact? Thomas? The operations lieutenant question? Not the activities
Lieutenant Thomas, Well, activities doesn't come in until six in
the morning. Question, So if the activity is lieutenant and
both operations, Lieutenant are both present and there was I
know you weren't working this day during that time, but
if someone when they're both on duty, who would be
contacted activities or operations or is it either? Thomas? You
would just say whatever shoe needed, You say operations, you
say operations. It really depends on the situation. Depends on
the situation whether you would call the activities or the operations.
But nine out of ten times mostly with this you
call operations. Question and does activities Lieutenant sit in operations? Thomas,
what do you mean? Question? So how does it work? Thomas?
They can be anywhere in the building? Question? Are those
two individuals together? Thomas, No, normally not together. They can
be anywhere in the building. Question, So would you ever
call on say activities Thomas? There could be an instance
where you call and say activities when you don't want
to bother. It depends, like I said, depending on the situation. Question. Okay,
And when you were in the shoe on August tenth,
who would have been who would have been or had
oversight as lieutenant on August tenth, Thomas redacted question redacted Thomas, Yeah, question,
Lieutenant redacted Thomas, lieutenant sir. Question, okay, great, and then
I think that she left at six am. Who would
have taken over that responsibility? Would it have been redacted Thomas? Uh? Yeah? Question? Okay?
Who is lieutenant? And I don't know exactly how to
pronounce his name, but redacted Thomas, he's redacted? No on this?
I'm sorry, who is he not looking at this? Do
you know who he is? Lieutenant redacted Thomas. Question, Lieutenant Thomas,
he's a lieutenant at MCC. I think he might be
just a quarterly shoe lieutenant. I guess. Question he was
the shoe you, Lieutenant Thomas, yeah, question, Okay, do you
know if he was the shoe lieutenant in August of
twenty nineteen? Thomas, I don't remember. I don't know. Question.
So that's not something that you would know during the
day Thomas during the day. Yeah, question, So that's nothing.
He gets cut off by Thomas. But it's like from
the roster. I'm sure they posted it. It's probably somewhere
on the roster somewhere, But I mean, if he says
he's a shoe lieutenant. He's the shoe lieutenant. If he
was the shoe lieutenant, if it was his quarter to
have it, then he's the shoe lieutenant redacted. Okay, do
you know if he was off on August ninth, twenty nineteen, Thomas,
I don't know. Question, you don't know, sure? Absolutely. Did
you have any communication with Lieutenant redacted with regard to
Epstein being housed within the MCC Thomas, no question? Or
in the shoe Thomas, no question? Any kind of email
or any kind of communication. When I say communication, I
mean verbal Thomas, Oh question, emails anything, Thomas, not that
I know of, No, not that I can recall. Question. Okay, So,
did Lieutenant redacted ever provide you with any kind of
special instruction with regard to Epstein? Thomas, no question. Did
Lieutenant redacted ever tell you that Epstein was required to
have a cellmate when he was assigned to the shoe Thomas,
no question. Do you know who was operations lieutenant redacted?
I guess he was the operations lieutenant Thomas, yeah. Question
is he regularly the operations lieutenant? Thomas? It he gets
cut off? Question at the time? Thomas it varies. You know,
it's a rotating shift, so they could have switched shifts
at that time. It varies. Question. Okay, So according to
this August ninth, Thomas, this says that he comes in.
Was it six and eight, eight to four or seven
to ten, whichever one? Well, it says, so it would
be eight to four. Question. Okay, I think that from
my understanding, some of the lieutenants were actually working two
hours before Thomas. Yeah. Question, so I think he was
actually six am to two pm, although it's confusing on
this by looking at the roster. So when he was on,
would have been responsible for overall oversight of the shoe Thomas, Yeah,
if he was the operation's lieutenant. Yeah. Question Okay. Did
you have any communication with redacted in regard to Ebstein Thomas,
no question, or the shoe Thomas, no question. No, so
not even any kind of not even talking about Epstein
with anything to do with your responsibility in the shoe
with redacted Thomas, no question. Okay, And again I'm going
to say these names just to try and change things
around Thomas. Fine. Question. Did Lieutenant redacted ever provide you
with special instruction with regard to Ebstein? Thomas, no question.
Did Lieutenant redacted ever tell you that Epstein was required
to have a cell mate while he was assigned to
the Shoe? Thomas, no question. Who is Lieutenant redacted? You
don't even know, Thomas. He just started there. I think
I want to say he just started there just to transfer.
He probably was there two months. I think I vaguely
remember him. Thomas. Do you know if any had involvement
or oversight of the shoe? Thomas. I probably spoke to
him twice redacted twice. Do you know what those communications entailed?
Thomas time question, anything to do with Epstein? Thomas, no question. No,
never provided with any special instruction with Epstein? Thomas, No,
he never provided any special instruction with Epstein. Question. Never
told you that Epstein was required to have a cell mate? Thomas,
no question. Okay, what about senior officer specialist redacted? Thomas,
Uh huh, I know her? Question? Yeah, so on August ninth,
if you look at this, it looks like she was
the activity's lieutenant. Thomas, yeah. Question from what appears to
be it says two pm to ten pm. Obviously you
weren't there at that time, correct Thomas? Uh huh? I
wasn't there? Question? You weren't there at any time? Did
you have any communication with SOS redacted as far as Epstein?
Thomas nope. Question. Did she ever give you any special
instruction with Epstein? Thomas, no question? Did she ever tell
you that Epstein was required? Davis el Mate Thomas no question.
While assigned to the shoe, No Thomas, no question. Now
we're going to talk about the staff members in the
shoe on August tenth when you were there, Thomas, okay. Question,
all right? What BOP employees worked in the shoe on
August tenth, twenty nineteen, from approximately twelve am to six
thirty am, mister Thomas on miss Nowell. Question and yourself
Thomas and myself? Question? Okay? And what was your role
in the shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen. Thomas, I
was shoe too. She was Shoe one. Question. And what
does that mean? Thomas? It just means that it's just
where you were assigned. It's just where I was assigned.
I was assigned there for overtime. She was assigned there
for overtime. Question. Is there a difference between Shoe one
and Shoe two though? Like different responsibilities Thomas. I couldn't
you have to read the past orders, the post orders.
I couldn't tell you question, okay, Thomas, Uh, it depends.
I mean it really really depends. That's definitely hard to
explain because is there a hierarchy? No, remember, because she
has well, it's no hierarchy. Question is the person with
you the most experienced in the bop and command? Or
how does it work when you're in there with another
person there's only two of you? Is there someone that's
in charge? Thomas? I'm going to say, they're going to say,
shoe how it is the bop, how it is at
the jail? They say, shoe is in charge? Question okay, Thomas.
But then with Shoe one or somebody with more time,
like if I have more time with Shoe one, how
are you going to be in charge when you have
more time? It depends. But then again on non custody,
so it's all different dynamics when it comes to that.
But they will say shoe one is usually in charge
if you bid for shoe one. If you did a bid,
they'll say shoe one is in charge of the shoe question. Okay,
and you were shoe too that day, Thomas, I was
shoe too that day. Yes, question okay, But because you
had seniority, is that, Thomas? It doesn't play out like that.
It doesn't play like that in a black and white sense.
It doesn't play out like that. You're both equally responsible
because she's Shoe two and I'm Shoe two. I mean,
it doesn't And on paper it plays out that she's
Shoe one, she's in charge, and I'm shoe too, But
it really doesn't play out like that, redacted. So you're
both serving the same role, Thomas, We're both serving the
same roles, especially on morning watch. Question okay, question, same
duties and responsibilities, Thomas, same duties and responsibilities. Well, because
you can't do one thing without the other. Question okay,
because pretty much everything you do requires two people. Is
that why Thomas supposed to? Yes? Question okay, Thomas, Yes. Question.
And did you replace redacted? Thomas? Redacted? Redacted? Did you
replace him at twelve am? Thomas? Okay, I guess redacted? Yes.
If I can't remember if they said it was redacted, yeah, okay,
I couldn't remember. It was somebody I had to replace.
I don't remember who it was. Question, do you remember
having any interaction with redacted when you placed him. Thomas,
I mean redacted is like me. He's both non custody
so we work. He is trust fund like how I'm
trust fund. He's a material handler specialist. Question Okay, like me,
so I'll probably I couldn't remember the exact communications that
I started. I probably said what's up, smacked him on
the back of the head Redacted. Any kind of conversation
question Thomas, No, I really don't remember. Question Okay, did
you speak with him in regard to Epstein at all?
Question no? Or answer no. Question anything to do with
like Reys leaving the Epstein being alone? Thomas, no. Question.
What conversation did you have with Noel during your ship
with regard to Epstein on August tenth? Answer none? Question
you don't remember talking about him? Thomas, I don't remember
talking about him. Question do you recall if anyone else
was present at any time at all in the shoe
on August tenth, twenty nineteen, between the hours of twelve
am and six thirty am. Thomas, I'm sure a lieutenant
came up. I couldn't tell you when I'm sure lieutenant
came up once or I'm sure the lieutenant came up
redacted And who would have been the lieutenant that would
have come up? Thomas A lieutenant redacted. Question Okay, and
do you remember that interaction at all when the lieutenant
came up? Answer? No, not really, question no Thomas, uh huh.
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
then the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna
pick up where we left off. All the information that
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