Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen. What's going to happen?
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode, I got a
Speaker 2: special guest. I got another person from North Carolina on,
Speaker 2: so this is very exciting for me. But before we
Speaker 2: do get to the guests, then let me introduce the
Speaker 2: rest of the rejects on the show. Julia. What is
Speaker 2: going on? Julia from Cosmic Peach. Please let everybody know
Speaker 2: what your deal is.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me again, Nick, looking forward to this
Speaker 3: one Cosmic Peach podcast. Wherever you listen to podcasts, this
Speaker 3: one is right up my ali, Illa Fair, normal stuff.
Speaker 3: Glad to be here.
Speaker 2: Of course, Hell yeah, and thank you for coming on.
Speaker 2: And we got Brooke from Dark Florida coming on with us.
Speaker 2: You know, obviously if I got the paranormal, we got
Speaker 2: to get her own with us. So what is going on? Broke?
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for joining us.
Speaker 4: How are you hi? I'm happy to be here with
Speaker 4: all the fellow rejects. I'm excited. You can also find.
Speaker 5: Darkford podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts, and really excited
Speaker 5: to get into some of his stories. North Carolina is
Speaker 5: a spooky place.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm honestly, I'm looking forward to hear about
Speaker 2: places I could possibly go to myself now, because I
Speaker 2: don't know much about this state at all, So this
Speaker 2: is like research for me. And we got the Headless Giant.
Speaker 2: What is going on? My man? Thank you very much
Speaker 2: for being here as usual, and you're muted, just to
Speaker 2: let you know real quick. Thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm the Headless Giant. You can find me
Speaker 6: on x and YouTube and if you want, if you've
Speaker 6: got any paranormal stories, I'd like to get them from
Speaker 6: you and put them on my show on Thursday nights.
Speaker 6: You can email me your paranormal stories at the Headless
Speaker 6: Giant podcast at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you very much. And finally to the guest himself, Jason,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm sorry to ask you this. I play
Speaker 2: should ask you before. Is it's spooky CLT or spooky Charlotte?
Speaker 2: Is the celt just short for Charlotte? How do you
Speaker 2: pronounce it?
Speaker 1: I say CLT, But spooky Charlotte is the message I'm
Speaker 1: communicating by saying that. It's the airport code for it.
Speaker 1: And it's like one of those things that you'll see
Speaker 1: on a T shirts and hats. It's just part of
Speaker 1: our identity.
Speaker 2: Now, that's okay, all right, So yeah, after I screw
Speaker 2: that up, it's spooky CLT. Please let everybody know where
Speaker 2: they can find like your stuff, you know, or anything
Speaker 2: you want to advertise, all the shows you've even been
Speaker 2: on if you want to plug it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you look for spooky CLT, that's me.
Speaker 1: No one else is doing it. So I'm primarily on
Speaker 1: Instagram at spooky clt, and then there is a spooky
Speaker 1: clt dot com as well. That's more so event postings.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I did not even know that. I'll have
Speaker 2: to go check that out.
Speaker 1: It's not as active. It's kind of my archive for
Speaker 1: like when I've been on the like different segments and stuff,
Speaker 1: I usually post about it there. Ok, just have a
Speaker 1: list going on.
Speaker 2: Very nice and I will include all those links in
Speaker 2: the bottom when the show drops. I guess, you know,
Speaker 2: just to get into it. What even got you into
Speaker 2: the paranormal?
Speaker 1: I've always been into the paranormal to you know, I
Speaker 1: say spooky because spooky is such like a broad term
Speaker 1: a versus the paranormal, and it's definitely a focus. But
Speaker 1: that's not it, you know, aspects of just real history
Speaker 1: are are spooky true crime. I consider spooky folklore spooky.
Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of everything. And I know
Speaker 1: paranormal covers that as well, but yeah, I think I've
Speaker 1: just always been into that now. The reason i started
Speaker 1: Spooky Charlotte specifically was because I'm not from Charlotte. I
Speaker 1: am a transplant. Sounds like you're a transplant in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: We are not alone. I grew up in Connecticut, predominantly York,
Speaker 1: although I was a Navy brat, so that had a
Speaker 1: part of to do with it. My family on my
Speaker 1: dad's side has deep, deep connections and roots in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: So when I went to when I was deciding where
Speaker 1: to go to school, I went to U and C
Speaker 1: Wilmington and I've just been here since, except for I
Speaker 1: was in Florida for a bit working for Disney. I
Speaker 1: did their college program. But I moved to Charlotte coming
Speaker 1: up on ten years. It was twenty sixteen, and they
Speaker 1: instantly I understood that the culture, and like the personality,
Speaker 1: the reputation it had was like Charlotte has no culture.
Speaker 1: It's brand new in the eyes of a lot of people.
Speaker 1: But that's because there's a lot of like you know,
Speaker 1: skyscrapers that have just gone up in the past twenty years.
Speaker 1: It's just grown in a way that not a lot
Speaker 1: of other cities can. And because of that, we have
Speaker 1: lost a lot of our older buildings. There are still
Speaker 1: a lot around, but I'm doing my best to show
Speaker 1: people that shar it does have history, it does have culture,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing it the only way I know I
Speaker 1: can do it well, and that's by doing it through
Speaker 1: telling ghost stories and that includes true crimes Charlotte, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and I've been collecting folklore things that you won't find
Speaker 1: in you know, history books, like the Urban Legends per
Speaker 1: se or we do have some like area specific cryptids.
Speaker 1: So I'm just trying to be a source for people
Speaker 1: who are into that. So they they're interested in spooky
Speaker 1: stuff and they want to know more about Charlotte, they
Speaker 1: can do both at the same time. And it's the
Speaker 1: page became what it is is because I was trying
Speaker 1: to be the account that I was looking for when
Speaker 1: I was learning about Charlotte, and that's how I did it.
Speaker 1: And almost ten years later, I've been having the account
Speaker 1: for eight years. I've learned so much, but also realized that,
Speaker 1: like I have not skimmed the surface, there's a lot
Speaker 1: more to go, and I'm going to be doing this
Speaker 1: for as long as i want to. I'm learning something new.
Speaker 1: So that was my long winded explanation of what spooky
Speaker 1: clt is.
Speaker 2: Oh that's awesome, Just really real quick to ask you.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you happen to know. Have you
Speaker 2: ever been to Greenville in North Carolina?
Speaker 1: But you know that area where ECUs?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's where my brother went to school,
Speaker 1: so I visited him there before, so I'm familiar with
Speaker 1: the college bars and that's about it.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even know which ones to go to.
Speaker 1: Ten plus years ago, so I'm sure they're all different.
Speaker 2: Now, would you say that's would you say Charlotte's more
Speaker 2: more of a city than Greenville? Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: Okay, I thought, because when you said skyscrapers, I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't think of Charlotte.
Speaker 1: Charlotte's always within like the top fifteen places of where
Speaker 1: people are moving toast twenty years.
Speaker 2: Like going to city? Yeah, like how dare you? No?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: I like Greenville because he said it's less population. That's
Speaker 2: just be totally honest with you or it seems like it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but uh so, like all right, uh, I know cemeteries
Speaker 2: is a big thing. He goes when you go to
Speaker 2: that about any of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've gotten super involved with cemetery preservation just
Speaker 1: because if you're into spooky stuff, that's where you're inevitably
Speaker 1: gonna kinna end up. So luckily, our Historic Landmarks Commission
Speaker 1: has been doing events every like probably once a year,
Speaker 1: headstone cleaning events where you can like learn and we'll
Speaker 1: provide the equipment, like you know, and clean these historic headstones.
Speaker 1: And I love that idea so much. I've kind of
Speaker 1: rolled with it, and I've been brokering, like the Landmarks
Speaker 1: Commission with other cemeteries to get them to do it there.
Speaker 1: The last one we had was just I think in March,
Speaker 1: and we are cleaning this two and fifty year old cemetery.
Speaker 1: There's hundreds of people buried there, but now it's right
Speaker 1: in the middle of the city, so it's gone through
Speaker 1: years of being around people. So there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of headstones left. There's probably one hundred or so, but
Speaker 1: we got out there and we cleaned them all. So
Speaker 1: we're using like a type of solution where it's going
Speaker 1: to keep making it look better over the next few years. Personally,
Speaker 1: my favorite thing about or lately that I've done with
Speaker 1: cemeteries is I've raised the money to fix the headstone
Speaker 1: of a man named Charlie Hawk, and he was killed
Speaker 1: by a lion. And that's what his headstone says. It
Speaker 1: says Charlie Hawk killed by a lion. Happens in Charlotte,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. So I wanted to fix this headstone because
Speaker 1: it's cool, you know, like it's a cool thing. Charlie
Speaker 1: doesn't have any family anymore. He died in the nineteen thirties.
Speaker 1: So I took it upon myself to raise the thirty
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. And the way that I raised that
Speaker 1: money was I won. I portrayed him at a living
Speaker 1: history event out there saying like, Hey, I'm Charlie Hawk,
Speaker 1: killed by a lion. I don't have an arm asking
Speaker 1: for money that way. Yeah, his arm got ripped off,
Speaker 1: that's how That's how the lion got him. He was
Speaker 1: the trainer for the circus and just one night it
Speaker 1: didn't go well. Way to die.
Speaker 2: Though, hopefully he was quick, Yeah right.
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't because he officially died of infection. So
Speaker 1: it happened over the course of a few days. But
Speaker 1: like his circus family who paid for the headstone, like
Speaker 1: they loved him enough to put on there, killed by
Speaker 1: a lion because they're like, people are gonna want to know,
Speaker 1: Like it's bad ass, you know, that's almost to be
Speaker 1: proud of, at least the way he was doing it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I got the headstone fixed by way
Speaker 1: of raising money. And another thing I did was I
Speaker 1: did a historic tour and a paranormal hunt of a
Speaker 1: historic building in Uptown Sharp And that's the other way
Speaker 1: that I raised money to do that. And that's kind
Speaker 1: of been my thing because this past Friday the thirteenth,
Speaker 1: I did something very similar. Now this one's crazy, and
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm talking, like interject with your own
Speaker 1: stories at any time or else I'll keep the appen.
Speaker 1: But so here in Charlotte, North Carolina, is a company
Speaker 1: called Morris Costumes. And Morris Costumes is pretty much like
Speaker 1: the what Spirit Halloween is a ripoff of? And I
Speaker 1: say that because you know Spirit Halloween seasonal, it's it's
Speaker 1: fast fashion of Halloween. Pretty much. Morris Costumes is all
Speaker 1: year round, and they're the ones supplying actual costumes for
Speaker 1: like movie sets, school plays, like theater productions. And over
Speaker 1: the years they've been doing that at a huge scale,
Speaker 1: like I'm talking like the Burton Batman movie scale. They're
Speaker 1: the ones applying the costuming for that all the way
Speaker 1: down to you know, like East mech High School and Charlotte.
Speaker 1: That's kind of their focus now. And they have this
Speaker 1: shop on Monroe Road in Charlotte, and they've been saying
Speaker 1: for a number of years that they believe that it
Speaker 1: is haunted by Philip Morris, who was the creator of
Speaker 1: Morris Costumes. He was a showman himself, like he was
Speaker 1: a ring master for the circus. He had his own
Speaker 1: like nighttime TV special movies like Elvira pretty much, but
Speaker 1: for like the entire East Coast, his name was doctor Evil.
Speaker 1: Like he was the greatest showman of Charlotte, North Carolina.
Speaker 1: But now they're saying that he's haunting that location. So
Speaker 1: we I use that as an opportunity to do my
Speaker 1: next fundraising event for Old Settlers Cemetery, which is that
Speaker 1: one that we just cleans, but now we're raising money
Speaker 1: to fix the headstones But what the crazy part is
Speaker 1: is you' all believe in Bigfoot, Okay, Bluff Creek, Patterson
Speaker 1: Gimlin film. Do you think that it is real? I do? Yes,
Speaker 1: you do? Okay, So Philip Morris would tell you that
Speaker 1: you're that's the one who created the suit for it.
Speaker 2: I posted on Twitter when people got.
Speaker 1: Mad, so that guy. People on the internet still get
Speaker 1: heated about this. But he said that he created the
Speaker 1: gorilla costume and then Patterson modified it from the original case,
Speaker 1: and that's that's the suit that they used. They did
Speaker 1: not tell Morris that they were using it for Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: They said they just needed a gorilla costume. But then
Speaker 1: Morris he recognized his suit and he put two and
Speaker 1: two together. And then ever since then he was claiming
Speaker 1: that he's the person who made the suit for the
Speaker 1: Patterson Gimlin film. So here we are going to the
Speaker 1: building he allegedly haunts. Figured let's ask him. So like
Speaker 1: the entire evening, you know, our groups, this was all
Speaker 1: part of the spiel because it's a fundraiser. We wanted
Speaker 1: to sell tickets and we did sell out at eighty five,
Speaker 1: which now seems small, but at the time it felt
Speaker 1: like very big but we asked him, and then across
Speaker 1: the board, whenever he was asked like are you Philip Morris,
Speaker 1: he would give a detail about himself, like you know,
Speaker 1: playing pranks, he pointed he or he had this group
Speaker 1: led to a specific magic trick box of like the rings,
Speaker 1: and that was like his main thing. And only his
Speaker 1: grandson who was there, who had not told anyone yet,
Speaker 1: shared with us after he said he loved whiskey, which
Speaker 1: the grandson like confirmed that was a problem he had.
Speaker 1: And then then when they were asking like did you
Speaker 1: do the costume for Patterson Gimlin, they had this like
Speaker 1: it's like an I've never seen it before. An EMF
Speaker 1: jump rope pretty much is like a one of those
Speaker 1: track things. So the idea is you can see kind
Speaker 1: of is it over here? Is it over here? The
Speaker 1: entire thing lit up for the first time when they
Speaker 1: asked him like, did do you make this suit? And
Speaker 1: it said yes pretty much. So long story short is,
Speaker 1: we asked the guy who claimed that he made the
Speaker 1: Bigfoot costume if he made it, and we did so
Speaker 1: while raising money for sanitary preservation.
Speaker 3: Double Spooky raising money to refurbish the headstones, all while
Speaker 3: making us all look like as is believing in the
Speaker 3: Bigfoot film and doing a paranormal investigation. That's I mean,
Speaker 3: because I always felt like that footage was the footage,
Speaker 3: like that was the Bigfoot, Like if you were ever
Speaker 3: gonna believe in Bigfoot, that was the video to watch.
Speaker 2: I just want to I.
Speaker 6: Just want to admire and thank you for putting the
Speaker 6: dead to work. They're always just loafing around, and now
Speaker 6: you're getting them to pay for restoration of headstones. That's perfect.
Speaker 1: I agree, it's we We asked him, you know while
Speaker 1: we were there, like, you know, are you okay with
Speaker 1: us being here and across the boards? It was yes,
Speaker 1: and we did connect with multiple There was other spirits
Speaker 1: things going on as well in the building in different parts.
Speaker 1: So it was just it was a crazy night. And
Speaker 1: it was on Friday the thirteenth. Like I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: doctor Evil, like he's a big part, Like he was
Speaker 1: like this big guy for spooky culture, and his roots
Speaker 1: were in Charlotte, North Carolina, Like what are the chances?
Speaker 1: So I did my best to teach the gospel of
Speaker 1: this guy a little bit, and I hope people walked
Speaker 1: away learning something as well as you know, at least
Speaker 1: hope they were spooked at one point.
Speaker 3: It sounds like a good time. I do have a
Speaker 3: question for you about the headstones though, I mean, you
Speaker 3: guys are spending a lot of time going I would
Speaker 3: imagine to go and clean them and like preserve them
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So I have I always get
Speaker 3: weird vibes when I go to a cemetery, and sometimes
Speaker 3: if it's a really old cemetery, if I'm driving past it,
Speaker 3: like in my car, i won't even look at it
Speaker 3: because I'm like, I don't want any passengers, like I
Speaker 3: don't want any hitchhikers. I don't know, I'm superstitious, But
Speaker 3: have you ever experienced anything spending like that much time
Speaker 3: around the dead bodies?
Speaker 1: So I have a story that I'll get into now
Speaker 1: because it's a bit of a whammy as well, But
Speaker 1: the answer is pretty much no. I'm not really sensitive
Speaker 1: in that way, Like I'm not the type of person
Speaker 1: that's gonna see apparitions very clearly. I have gotten vibes before,
Speaker 1: and like I can pick up on that type of stuff,
Speaker 1: But overall, and a lot of times when I'm going
Speaker 1: to cemeteries, like I feel like I'm going in like
Speaker 1: a like a contractor into a house that's not mine,
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm here on a mission, like I know
Speaker 1: where my business is. I'm going to stick to that.
Speaker 1: You know, don't bug me. I won't bug you. But anyways,
Speaker 1: here's my my next long winded story. Last summer, I
Speaker 1: get a DM on Instagram from this guy saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: there's a cemetery in this one of the neighborhoods called
Speaker 1: Biddleville and Charlotte. I've been getting told that they're doing
Speaker 1: construction nearby, and in the construction piles people have seen headstones.
Speaker 1: There's a cemetery nearby, So I'm like, ah, I should
Speaker 1: probably look into this. I went out to the cemetery.
Speaker 1: It was near where I worked, checked on in every
Speaker 1: everything I did. See the construction piles, there's nothing in there,
Speaker 1: but in the like the cemetery, it's next to a
Speaker 1: public park. It's gated off, and it was clear that
Speaker 1: half the grass was mode half the grass was not
Speaker 1: because of a huge branch had fallen, and it was
Speaker 1: clearly a few years We're talking like eight foot to
Speaker 1: alt bush. But there was headstones in there that you
Speaker 1: could kind of see, but like completely overgrown so I
Speaker 1: was like, man, like, all I would need is a
Speaker 1: couple of volunteers and I could get this cleared out.
Speaker 1: But like, do I have the bandwidth for this right now?
Speaker 1: You know, people do bring stuff like this to me,
Speaker 1: and like, I kind of have a bunch of projects
Speaker 1: on the back burner, so I didn't know if I
Speaker 1: was going to pursue this one. But that weekend was
Speaker 1: con Carolina's, which is just like a regular you know,
Speaker 1: convention more specific to Charlotte, but it's pretty popular in
Speaker 1: the region and there's a paranormal track and I was
Speaker 1: on the paranormal track, so I was there speaking on
Speaker 1: a bunch of different stuff, and the guest speaker was
Speaker 1: a guy named Brian Denhausen. No one knows him and
Speaker 1: that's okay. He's from up north. His son is a
Speaker 1: professional wrestler. He has mediumship abilities and he has his
Speaker 1: own stick that he does and he's got pretty popular
Speaker 1: from it. But his whole thing is that he'll do
Speaker 1: readings of you while talking to you, and like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like reading your tarot card, but he's painting
Speaker 1: it for you in that moment. So I had it
Speaker 1: done and it's not something that I typically do. But
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, i'll you know, have a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to the guy that it'll be fine.
Speaker 1: So here is the picture. Oh wow, And he was
Speaker 1: like what does this mean to you? And I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean that looks like Prometheus aliens
Speaker 1: to me, something something like that. And he's like, all right,
Speaker 1: here is here is a picture of like you in
Speaker 1: the center, like this is I'm the main guy, and
Speaker 1: there are intertimensional beings chatting with you, but you can't
Speaker 1: hear them. But you have the ability you too, but
Speaker 1: you can't hear them, so you just got to figure
Speaker 1: it out how to talk to them. And I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. But whatever, I'm all
Speaker 1: around all these tower readers, mediums. I'll bring it to
Speaker 1: them to see if they can explain. And they're all
Speaker 1: saying the same same type of stuff, like you know
Speaker 1: you have the ability to talk to them. They're telling
Speaker 1: you to do something. These white orbs are opportunities like
Speaker 1: do it. And I'm like, okay, but what is it?
Speaker 1: And then finally I talked to this one older lady
Speaker 1: and she said the same thing, but she stressed the
Speaker 1: importance of it's going to make an effect on the community.
Speaker 1: And when she said that, I'm like, damn Biddleville. Like
Speaker 1: there's literally a sign that said Biddleville Community, like right
Speaker 1: across the street from the cemetery. That's when it clicked.
Speaker 1: So I just, you know, made a flyer. Well, first
Speaker 1: I researched the cemetery, found out it was the Biddleville community.
Speaker 1: It's the first post emancipation Black cemetery and Charlotte over
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty people buried there. Only about twelve
Speaker 1: headstones are left, Like yeah, you can still see the
Speaker 1: indentations from people, Like it's very obvious to see indentations
Speaker 1: because it'll be in a clear road, but headstones nowhere
Speaker 1: to be found. You know.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna ask that real quick, just just
Speaker 2: like show was there pieces of headstones? Like these things
Speaker 2: fell over or are they just completely gone?
Speaker 1: That's what I wanted to have completely gone. But some
Speaker 1: stuff is scarried, some stuff is knocked over, Like there's
Speaker 1: these full, beautiful obelisks just like on the ground sideways,
Speaker 1: so like it's an abandon cemetery. But like I have
Speaker 1: found other articles where in the eighties someone founds it,
Speaker 1: cleans it up, said they're going to take care of it.
Speaker 1: And then again in twenty eighteen, someone founds it, said
Speaker 1: they're going to take care of it again. And now
Speaker 1: here I am founds it and now I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: care of it again. Learned about the cemetery. There's all
Speaker 1: these different like important people for that community, reverends, professors,
Speaker 1: like just people of prominence. But anyways, I've had two
Speaker 1: events now where I've had people go out and do
Speaker 1: the landscaping for it, and like, we are looking good,
Speaker 1: and it's the first time I did it. We were
Speaker 1: we'd whacking this one section and a lady came up
Speaker 1: and she was a medium, and she was like, hey,
Speaker 1: just want to let you know that there's this old
Speaker 1: black guy with a big, bushy white beard following you
Speaker 1: around and he looks pleased. So I'm like, great, I
Speaker 1: did it. You know, maybe these aliens will leave me alone. Now.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's like kind of spooky in and
Speaker 3: of itself, right, even though you're you're not picking up
Speaker 3: on it, just to have somebody walk up on you
Speaker 3: and say, hey, just so you know, there's a ghost
Speaker 3: on your six And he really likes what you've been doing.
Speaker 1: Keep it up. Yeah, And like I'm an I'm an
Speaker 1: anxious person to begin with, so like I had that
Speaker 1: Catholic guilt of like, man, I need to do something,
Speaker 1: it's my responsibility. And now I'm like, is that guilt
Speaker 1: or is it a ghost? Like now there's another layer
Speaker 1: to my anxiousness.
Speaker 5: And I love the respect that you take for those
Speaker 5: of who have already passed on. I think sometimes not
Speaker 5: enough respect is given to the dead.
Speaker 4: So you out here.
Speaker 5: Raising money and helping keep those headstones looking nice and
Speaker 5: showing them the respect and also telling their stories. And
Speaker 5: the passion for your city definitely shines through. I love
Speaker 5: when people get passionate about their communities because there's so
Speaker 5: much in life that we can't change, but the impact
Speaker 5: that we make right where we're at is felt far
Speaker 5: and wide. So I love that you're doing this for
Speaker 5: your for your city.
Speaker 1: I have I moved a lot overall, and like looking
Speaker 1: back at the places where I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: hated growing up in Connecticut, I'm like, I just didn't
Speaker 1: try to like it. It's the truth. I was just
Speaker 1: being a grumpy teen. So for wherever you are, I
Speaker 1: strongly recommend reading the history signs fine to some way
Speaker 1: to get like, you know, do something hyper niche in
Speaker 1: your community, and your community will get bigger.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome because if you you could have had
Speaker 3: the reverse thing happened to you, and you could have
Speaker 3: got poltergeisted with the way that the cemetery was being
Speaker 3: treated and have some kind of portal open up in
Speaker 3: your backyard. But I mean, I just wanted to throw
Speaker 3: this out there because it goes along to your point.
Speaker 3: I grew up, Well, I've lived a lot of places,
Speaker 3: but I grew up in Cleveland, Ohio, and there is
Speaker 3: a very famous cemetery there. It's called Lake View Cemetery.
Speaker 3: There's been presidents buried there. All the Rockefellers are buried there.
Speaker 3: Elliott Ness a lot of people are familiar with him.
Speaker 3: He's buried there and right right, yeah, yeah, Elliott. And
Speaker 3: that's this kind of like a famous detective kind of guy.
Speaker 3: And so you can go anytime they close it at
Speaker 3: night so people don't get weird and like go leave
Speaker 3: burning cruixes and stuff like that. But anytime during the
Speaker 3: day you can go and visit it. And it's actually
Speaker 3: really cool and of all places in the world for
Speaker 3: the Rockefellers to want to be buried.
Speaker 1: It's like not even a nice side of Cleveland, you know.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, uh, you better go with a
Speaker 3: friend and during the day and maybe I don't know, yeah,
Speaker 3: but it is like you were saying, though, if you look,
Speaker 3: there are some really cool, niche little things like wherever
Speaker 3: you live, even if it's like the crackheaded side of Cleveland,
Speaker 3: you will find something cool there. In President Garfields, he
Speaker 3: has like this big memorial built in that cemetery and
Speaker 3: it's like three floors and when you get to the
Speaker 3: top you can see all of Cleveland. It's it's actually
Speaker 3: kind of amazing. But cemeteries have always fascinated me. I
Speaker 3: do think you can get haunted though, if you fuck
Speaker 3: around and find out if you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Well, a little aspect to that, so, you know, being
Speaker 6: a Hellenist, I look at people in terms of like
Speaker 6: archetypes and how they relate to the gods. And you
Speaker 6: definitely have archetypes like different story characters and you know
Speaker 6: kind of the similarities between them, right, and you have
Speaker 6: a real Hades type energy and a lot of people
Speaker 6: don't realize it, but the Hades energy archetype is still
Speaker 6: highly respected and revered in our society. If you think
Speaker 6: about funeral home directors, they're usually adults. They're usually I mean,
Speaker 6: they're males, and they have that fatherly energy in one
Speaker 6: of the most destructive transition points, you know, and really
Speaker 6: having that ability to be calm in the storm. That's
Speaker 6: that's big because you know, even Polta guys say, no,
Speaker 6: I can't mess with that. You know, having the ability
Speaker 6: to to to be above the fray and on the
Speaker 6: outside is something that they really do respect.
Speaker 3: Hell, yeah, you want to what I wanted to be
Speaker 3: when I grew up. I wanted to be a funeral director.
Speaker 3: Isn't that weird? I wanted to be an embalmer. I
Speaker 3: wanted to cut open dead bodies.
Speaker 1: I hate the idea of embalming really, Oh god, people,
Speaker 1: but like the no, that ain't right. There's something very
Speaker 1: deeply wrong about that process.
Speaker 6: When I was when I was stationed in Virginia, I
Speaker 6: I got to do a bunch of military honors for
Speaker 6: funerals and it's just, you know, it feels like you're
Speaker 6: you're really honoring that person as you're performing the duties
Speaker 6: at the funeral. But you know, it's it's it's something
Speaker 6: that's seeing from the outside, you can actually add a
Speaker 6: lot just by your presence. It's it's kind of an
Speaker 6: interesting thing.
Speaker 3: Headless. I was not nearly as honorable as you'd think
Speaker 3: in my quest to become a mortician. I thought it
Speaker 3: was I thought it was creepy, and like, I'm obsessed
Speaker 3: with Halloween and I was. I was just wanting to
Speaker 3: be the creepiest thing I could imagine. And what's creepier
Speaker 3: than like embalming dead people? But I'm too much of
Speaker 3: a puss to be left alone in a funeral home
Speaker 3: by myself. I would have needed a team of advisors
Speaker 3: to stay with me in case when of them bitches
Speaker 3: came up out of the grave or some shit like that.
Speaker 2: And was.
Speaker 6: They like to hire female morticians, right?
Speaker 2: You know, I knew.
Speaker 3: I knew one actually because you know what I knew
Speaker 3: one is creepy.
Speaker 2: No, she was actually kind of When I found out
Speaker 2: that that's what she did, I was like, she was hot,
Speaker 2: wasn't she No, No, she wasn't actually, but no, she
Speaker 2: was like kind of normal. And I was just like, wait,
Speaker 2: what that's like? Wow, I never would have thought that's
Speaker 2: what you did. Yeah, not that there's anything wrong with it.
Speaker 2: I was just like, Wow, I just never would have guessed.
Speaker 1: Like you do that right.
Speaker 3: I do want to visit Charlotte at some point. I
Speaker 3: had a friend that lived there and she said it
Speaker 3: was one of the prettiest places she ever lived.
Speaker 1: Good. That's a great thing to say about it.
Speaker 5: Oh, I had a quod question for you, go for it.
Speaker 5: So when Julia was talking about having hitchhikers and things
Speaker 5: like that happen. I've done some investigations in this graveyards.
Speaker 4: And we've picked up on a vibe.
Speaker 5: I've been with other people who are more sensitive than
Speaker 5: I am, who have experienced some things, and we've set
Speaker 5: some protection prayers and things like that upon us leaving,
Speaker 5: just to make sure that we're safe, we're good, and
Speaker 5: that if anything did want to maybe come back with us,
Speaker 5: that it stayed there. Obviously, you're setting a good intention
Speaker 5: when you go in. You're not going in and desecrating
Speaker 5: the graves. You're doing quite the opposite, and you're in
Speaker 5: respect to these people. Do you do any other kind
Speaker 5: of spiritual protection for yourself? Do you carry any sort
Speaker 5: of crystals or say any sort of prayers or anything.
Speaker 1: Like that, just less. Yeah, so the answer is no,
Speaker 1: But I talk Dear Devil the entire time I am.
Speaker 2: There in case anybody's listening.
Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, like, I'm going in with
Speaker 1: the best intentions, So I don't do any like specific prayers,
Speaker 1: but I'll say hello and goodbye.
Speaker 2: Well. I also think like spirits in a sense, just
Speaker 2: like cats and dogs. I think they can tell like
Speaker 2: if you're a piece of shit or not when you're around.
Speaker 1: I like to think so too. So that is what
Speaker 1: I'll say about that. I have looked into it, but
Speaker 1: I'm not that type of person who who does a
Speaker 1: lot of that. Anyways, I respect it and I find
Speaker 1: it very interesting and like I do think there's that
Speaker 1: power of intention will work one way or the other.
Speaker 1: But I haven't found my thing yet.
Speaker 3: Oh god, when you were doing besides the guy? Oh sorry,
Speaker 3: go ahead and.
Speaker 2: Nick, just real real quick question. Uh. And I guess
Speaker 2: maybe from like whatever, Like I guess however, you look
Speaker 2: at things and see it was there any things that
Speaker 2: you cleaned up and you notice like tombstones with like
Speaker 2: a cult symbolism on it, or or like secret society
Speaker 2: like freemason stuff on it. I don't even know if
Speaker 2: you'd know if you were looking at it, if that
Speaker 2: was it. I'm just gonna be honest, you may not
Speaker 2: even know what.
Speaker 1: I haven't found anything like you written or weird like that.
Speaker 1: But in one cemetery I found rooms made out and
Speaker 1: flowers clear is so like whenever the wind blew, they
Speaker 1: were gonna be gone. So I just I was there
Speaker 1: at the right time. I guess that was interesting. One
Speaker 1: of the groundskeepers for the cemetery that I'm really involved with,
Speaker 1: he's told me about having to clean up a lot
Speaker 1: of chicken remains, Like chicken sacrifices are still huge, believe
Speaker 1: it or not. Then there was this one one October
Speaker 1: when an entire altar was set up in one of
Speaker 1: our city cemeteries. We're talking like lamps and mirrors, and
Speaker 1: there were shells and a miniature like pin up doll
Speaker 1: type thing with a bunch of stuff pinned into it.
Speaker 2: It was I guarantee you those mirrors were there to
Speaker 2: mind fuck some of the people that were there to
Speaker 2: actually believe something was going on that wasn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah something.
Speaker 1: I post a picture of it every now and then,
Speaker 1: and I always just got vastly different interpretations of it,
Speaker 1: so I don't have a nail down reason.
Speaker 2: That's interesting if you ever come across that. I look
Speaker 2: for a mercury and batteries. There was another culprits for
Speaker 2: people being shady and pulling off tricks that aren't real.
Speaker 2: Believe it or not, it sounds cheesy, but yeah, mercury
Speaker 2: batteries and uh in magnets. You'd be surprised. I'm mer
Speaker 2: I could put a magnet magnet on my wrist with
Speaker 2: a battery on the tip of it and hold the
Speaker 2: bottle cap in my hand. It will float. You guys
Speaker 2: will think I'm doing something. You gotta watch out for.
Speaker 6: Charlatan's My favorite is the Pepper's Ghost illusion, where you
Speaker 6: got the slanted glass inside of the container and then
Speaker 6: when you're looking at it, it looks like there's a
Speaker 6: hologram or some sort of hologram inside the space. So
Speaker 6: this is what they always refer to on you know,
Speaker 6: Scooby doing stuff where they've got the image shown through
Speaker 6: the mirror and then it's refracted through the thing. But
Speaker 6: the Pepper's Ghost illusion, if you catch somebody with one
Speaker 6: of those in the graveyard, you better get your camera out.
Speaker 1: So let me hit you with Charlotte specific a ghost story,
Speaker 1: a true crime story that encryptid.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Nice, I'm gonna blow through these for you. So you
Speaker 1: said you wanted to visit Charlotte. To do so, you
Speaker 1: would have to stay at a hotel. Luckily, we have
Speaker 1: a haunted one right on Shrion Street, which is like
Speaker 1: the street that goes straight through uptown. It was built
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen twenties, opens in the early nineteen
Speaker 1: thirties as like a condo building. It's called the Dunhill
Speaker 1: Hotel today, but back then it was called Mayfair Manor
Speaker 1: and it had a bad reputation because it opens during
Speaker 1: the Great Depression. The top floors were the hotels while
Speaker 1: the bottom of the condos. And Charlotte is a banking city,
Speaker 1: so during the Great Depression, people would loose their last
Speaker 1: dollar and then spend their last time on a hotel
Speaker 1: room and then jump. And it happened a number of times,
Speaker 1: and that has stayed with the hotel where it's a
Speaker 1: common ghost story where people will be in their room
Speaker 1: and they'll see through the window a shadow fall to
Speaker 1: the point where the staff at the hotel can't expect
Speaker 1: these calls and know how to walk a guests through it.
Speaker 1: If you were to go to the Dunhill today, they
Speaker 1: would tell you a number of different ghost stories. There
Speaker 1: is a woman in white who walks through the banquet
Speaker 1: holes who will disappear. When my friends investigated in the
Speaker 1: banquet hall, they actually hurt someone. Say hello on a
Speaker 1: Facebook live video during a typical both poltergeist activity that
Speaker 1: you'd find out a hotel, you know, people saying, doors
Speaker 1: slam behind them, lights flickering on and off. But the
Speaker 1: hotel always told the story of a ghost name Dusty,
Speaker 1: and they believed that Dusty was the spirit attached to
Speaker 1: a skeleton they found in the basement during their renovation
Speaker 1: in the eighties. So back in the eighties, the hotel
Speaker 1: is shifting hands. It was abandoned for ten years. When
Speaker 1: they were doing the renovations, they found that someone had
Speaker 1: decomposed at the bottom of the elevator shaft. And then
Speaker 1: to this day, when things were happening, they would say, oh,
Speaker 1: that's Dusty the elevator ghost. What's crazy, though, is you
Speaker 1: know that story has been told for decades. Back in
Speaker 1: the summer of twenty twenty three, there was a police
Speaker 1: report that went out that the Charlotte Mecklenberg Police Department
Speaker 1: was reopening cold cases because they got access to this
Speaker 1: whole different new database of DNA and they were running
Speaker 1: all these cold cases versus DNA. Well, they had Dusty
Speaker 1: the Dunhill ghosts bones. They ran it through this new
Speaker 1: DNA and they got a hit from Morrisville, which is
Speaker 1: a town like two towns over thirty minutes away, and
Speaker 1: we found out that the skeleton at the bottom of
Speaker 1: the elevator shaft was in fact his name was Odell Mundy.
Speaker 1: People called him Doc. He was a World War Two
Speaker 1: vet and even though he worked at a belk in
Speaker 1: uptown Charlotte, he was homeless and he would sleep in
Speaker 1: the Dunhill between his shifts and I don't know how
Speaker 1: he got in the elevator shaft or what happened, and
Speaker 1: forensics didn't really say there was a cause of death.
Speaker 1: That is where he died. And his family who was
Speaker 1: still around in Morrisville, they finally got some clothes sure
Speaker 1: about their family member who disappeared back in the eighties.
Speaker 3: He was in the elevator shaft.
Speaker 1: At the bottom of the elevator.
Speaker 3: Shaft, maybe the elevator fell on his ass, crushed in
Speaker 3: the bones.
Speaker 1: Weren't that crushed?
Speaker 4: Still, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: Just died from starvation or whatever.
Speaker 4: Either way, I'm taking the stairs.
Speaker 1: Part of the part of the renovations that they did
Speaker 1: change the stairwells. Now the stairs are where the elevator
Speaker 1: shaft was.
Speaker 5: Long as I'm not stuck in the elevator, I'm okay
Speaker 5: with that. I could deal with the ghost on the stairs.
Speaker 5: But if I'm stuck in the elevator with a ghost,
Speaker 5: I'm I'm so out.
Speaker 3: And Brooke, he was homeless, so you know, even homeless
Speaker 3: ghosts they stink you're gonna get all type of homeless
Speaker 3: booty hole up in that elevator and just stanking. But
Speaker 3: that is so crazy because it like you tested DNA
Speaker 3: and it was a real person. It wasn't Dusty, but
Speaker 3: it was doc which is closed right yeah yeah o.
Speaker 1: D yeah, So Dunhill. There's podcasts about it you can
Speaker 1: listen to, or you know, visit yourself and the staff
Speaker 1: will tell you their own experience.
Speaker 2: Is there any of that? To get off of the
Speaker 2: topic of a hotel, because I know you said, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're gonna go to Chelte, you're gonna need a hotel.
Speaker 2: Is there any known airbnbs that don't want it out there? Man,
Speaker 2: I'm sure I put you up.
Speaker 1: There. So there's an apartment complex. It was called Tryon House,
Speaker 1: and I know at one point that there were airbnbs
Speaker 1: ran out of it, but by no means is it
Speaker 1: a destination spot. The apartment itself is from the nineteen forties,
Speaker 1: and there was this big fire that same year and
Speaker 1: a bunch of people did die. And like the lore was,
Speaker 1: if you're sleeping there, some people would have like dreams
Speaker 1: of like blood coming from the wall, or like they
Speaker 1: would hear thumping on the other side. There was a
Speaker 1: story of like a woman who would come up and
Speaker 1: pray next to your bed. Try On House Apartments. They've
Speaker 1: changed the name. I'm wondering if it's because I was
Speaker 1: telling the story too much, Like like I was on
Speaker 1: the news talking about this apartment building that was actively leasing.
Speaker 1: So good on then.
Speaker 6: It's so strange out ghost ghost tourism simultaneously increases property
Speaker 6: values in some locations and decreases them in other locations.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can't remember.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the place. The place I stayed at
Speaker 2: but uh Brookenlle and so as headless. You both know
Speaker 2: Ron New England. When I went to go out by
Speaker 2: him to do like I guess our little ghost thing
Speaker 2: that it was fun, but we got nothing U When
Speaker 2: I went to his house, I stayed out at Airbnb.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the name of him, Like, I didn't
Speaker 2: even realize. I just booked the place and I told
Speaker 2: Ron and he's like, you know that place is known
Speaker 2: to be haunted, right, It was like, get the fuck Addy,
Speaker 2: And I looked it up and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 2: what's the odds of that?
Speaker 1: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking about setting up my equipment. I
Speaker 2: was like, maybe I'll get more something to get something
Speaker 2: out of here. I didn't have a rounds, but you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a really nice place though. It was pretty
Speaker 2: cool as shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah all right, so have my true crime story as well.
Speaker 1: Of course we're a big city, so of course we
Speaker 1: have a notorious serial killer. I don't want to do
Speaker 1: hold too much onto it because I feel like you
Speaker 1: kind of have to go into the weeds when you're
Speaker 1: telling these stories to make sure you're being respectful. But
Speaker 1: he was known as the Charlotte Stranger. Strangler, but also
Speaker 1: known as the Taco Bell Strangler. The reason for that
Speaker 1: is because he was working at fast food joints and
Speaker 1: he would like go home with his female coworkers and
Speaker 1: that's when he would did it. And he did in
Speaker 1: the means all black women. And it took police forever
Speaker 1: to admit that there was something going on because it
Speaker 1: was all apartment complex is very close to each other
Speaker 1: and they all were kind of connected. But he worked
Speaker 1: at bo Jangles and he worked at.
Speaker 2: Oh, there's Jangles of the Black for me. H, I
Speaker 2: love bo Jangles.
Speaker 3: It's so funny.
Speaker 6: Our buddy j J had a run in with a
Speaker 6: serial killer at a Hearty's.
Speaker 1: Another brand.
Speaker 6: H yeah, yeah, yeah, human Burgers.
Speaker 1: He doesn't know, Yeah, nothing like that. There have been
Speaker 1: documentaries about him called like one was called Bad Henry
Speaker 1: I think once on Netflix now but you know, sad story.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't know. These were women that he worked with. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was like not sorry, sorry to start asking.
Speaker 2: He just got me interested on how he was even
Speaker 2: pulling this off. You said into the teens, you know,
Speaker 2: like how he was learning, Like I'm just you know,
Speaker 2: just keeping a real was this guy? So I'm like
Speaker 2: just done. You know, whatever he's pulling, he's pulling bitches
Speaker 2: back to his house that easily. I mean, what's going
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 1: I think it was more of like how they felt
Speaker 1: bad for him, and he was like the pushy coworker, like, oh,
Speaker 1: let's hang.
Speaker 2: Out after what I'm just wondering, like just getting all.
Speaker 3: These cheesy Gordia crunch in some cinnamon twists. He would
Speaker 3: have it, I would have to cause a rita, yes.
Speaker 1: But he is still alive in a prison in Raleigh,
Speaker 1: North Carolina. So he's still out there. And that's something
Speaker 1: I like to remember when I posture I don't piss
Speaker 1: any active serial killers off.
Speaker 2: And you said you said a lot of them are coming, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll go on.
Speaker 1: Well sorry what you're saying, Well.
Speaker 2: You said a lot of them were also coming from
Speaker 2: the same area as well, the same apartment complexes.
Speaker 1: Too, right, yeah, same, like same neighborhood.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, look at that. Actually all right, thank you peace.
Speaker 1: But then a Charlotte cryptid story. So in Charlotte, right
Speaker 1: on the outskirts, there's Lake Norman technically Morrisville, but it's
Speaker 1: the largest man made lake in North Carolina. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if y'all know this, but pretty much every
Speaker 1: lake we have in America is man made, all for
Speaker 1: the dams. That's why they do it, so they can
Speaker 1: get their power. But Lake Norman is the largest in
Speaker 1: North Carolina, and since its creation in the nineteen sixties,
Speaker 1: there have been sightings of a lake monster. Of course,
Speaker 1: I am if he on the idea of lake monsters.
Speaker 1: I think that there's probably a lot of huge things
Speaker 1: in there, but I think it's all things that are normal,
Speaker 1: Like if you've seen gar terrifying, yeah they have. They
Speaker 1: were dinosaurs. They get up to six feet, and catfish
Speaker 1: can be freaking huge. But it brings up a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons why there could be ENCRYPTID is number one.
Speaker 1: There is a nuclear power pant attached to the lake
Speaker 1: that uses the water to cool honest reactors. If you
Speaker 1: go on that reactors like website and you go through
Speaker 1: a labyrinth, you can finally find the reports that they're
Speaker 1: legally required to share. And there are leaks all the time,
Speaker 1: all the time, and there are like sewage leaks into
Speaker 1: the lake to the point where like there are these
Speaker 1: massive like announcements don't go in the water. And from
Speaker 1: this date to this date, and then of course it
Speaker 1: clears up for the fourth of July, and then of
Speaker 1: course it comes back right after the fourth of July.
Speaker 1: And then also you know, like naturally blocking a giant river,
Speaker 1: the Cataba, there's gotta be some type of now consequences
Speaker 1: for that. I mean, we're messing with the way the
Speaker 1: world works. So whenever the lake and Roman monsters discuss,
Speaker 1: these are like kind of the fears that are attached
Speaker 1: with the lore and why people think that that's why
Speaker 1: we have a lake monster. Now I won't dwell on
Speaker 1: that too much because you know, everyone has their lake monsters,
Speaker 1: but that's ours. But another cryptid we possibly have. And
Speaker 1: this is just one of those wacky happenstances where I
Speaker 1: went to a live podcast recording at a deli, the
Speaker 1: fun types of events you'll find in Charlotte. And in
Speaker 1: that live podcast recording at a Delhi, the lady host
Speaker 1: was asking questions to the crowd because it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a game show and she had two different
Speaker 1: guests that day, and each guest they would she would
Speaker 1: ask them like, have you ever experienced anything weird the
Speaker 1: unexpected that you couldn't explain. The two guests they did
Speaker 1: not know each other. One was speaking like forty five
Speaker 1: minutes after the other, but they both answered the same way,
Speaker 1: saying the first guy said he was in the Starmonnt
Speaker 1: neighbor of South Or area of South Ends, which is
Speaker 1: a neighborhood in Charlotte, and he was driving down a
Speaker 1: road and he saw a cat walking into the middle
Speaker 1: of the street, and when the cat wouldn't move out
Speaker 1: of their way, they were honking at it. They tried
Speaker 1: to like skirt up to scare it, and when they
Speaker 1: did that, it sprouted wings and started attacking them and
Speaker 1: looked more like an owl. That happened, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I still can't explain it to the day. Yes, we
Speaker 1: were smoking, but like we understand reality, and they just
Speaker 1: couldn't explain it. Then forty five minutes the next guest
Speaker 1: is talking, did not know the first person, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't thought about it in years, but that guy
Speaker 1: reminded me. When I was walking down the Metropolitan area
Speaker 1: of town there was an active construction site. It was
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and I was walking by
Speaker 1: a fence and I saw an owl on it, just
Speaker 1: creeping on it into the whole like you know, neck
Speaker 1: is going to follow you the whole one eighty And
Speaker 1: as he got further past it, it went down on
Speaker 1: all fours and started walking along the fence with him
Speaker 1: with his tail sprout it up, so it went from
Speaker 1: like full bird to full cat. And he was like,
Speaker 1: I've never been able to explain it. So I had
Speaker 1: just happened to be in the room when two people
Speaker 1: were talking about a cat owl hybrid and Charlotte and
Speaker 1: I've been talking about it and I post about it
Speaker 1: and I try to get people to tell me if
Speaker 1: they have seen it. On TikTok, a few people said
Speaker 1: that they've heard Appalachian lore about it, but on Instagram nothing,
Speaker 1: so I may So I've just been calling it to
Speaker 1: Charlotte cat owl, and I like that name cat.
Speaker 4: Cat owl, pat owl, bird puss.
Speaker 1: I guess in like Dungeons and Dragons or something, there's
Speaker 1: something like something called like the me owl. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. I want to be taking in the
Speaker 1: crypti community.
Speaker 2: Yeah so yeah, I guess you're not going to use that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, foco pops that they make of it will
Speaker 1: be called.
Speaker 6: The owl or the Charlotte Hoots.
Speaker 1: The Charlotte Hoots Charlotte Cowl.
Speaker 2: And then at least that explains exactly what you're talking about,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. At least the name. You
Speaker 2: know what you're being told about the category.
Speaker 1: And it's from Charlotte. You know, I gotta get it
Speaker 1: to stick. It's all about the branding, you know.
Speaker 5: Well, one thing about me is I'm big into cryptids,
Speaker 5: big into bigfoot. I do research here in Florida, and
Speaker 5: I go other places and research as well, And of
Speaker 5: course with the territory comes other cryptids.
Speaker 4: And that's the first time I've heard.
Speaker 1: Of anything like that.
Speaker 5: When you were talking about the Lake Monster, it did
Speaker 5: remind me of a couple of things. One the Lake
Speaker 5: and the Simpsons that has like the three eyed fish.
Speaker 1: It kind of running me of that.
Speaker 4: And also you do hear a correlation.
Speaker 5: In Washington. It's called the klick a cat ape cat
Speaker 5: I'm probably saying that wrong, but it's outside of a
Speaker 5: nuclear facility that's up there, and it's been reported by
Speaker 5: the locals as something that has a product of the
Speaker 5: nuclear waste in the water ways up there. So I
Speaker 5: have heard stories of those two things coexisting. But I'm
Speaker 5: going to have to look into this owl cat thing
Speaker 5: that's really intriguing to me.
Speaker 4: I want to see if I can find anything on it.
Speaker 1: Please do I being completely honest, Like when it comes
Speaker 1: to cryptids, I think of them. I look at them
Speaker 1: more through the lens of like folklore. For most of them,
Speaker 1: like Bigfoot, I understand a lot of it, and I
Speaker 1: think there's aspects that we don't understand. But like the
Speaker 1: other ones like Mothman, like wampus, catchy, but copper, those
Speaker 1: are modern day folklore. Those are no longer cryptids. No
Speaker 1: one is thinking that that's a specific species there. You know,
Speaker 1: we're talking about them like they're superheroes almost.
Speaker 6: Well nature spirits.
Speaker 1: That's part of the conversation. So I'm saying, like, the
Speaker 1: way that we talk about them shows more about us
Speaker 1: than about them, and I think it really reflects on
Speaker 1: like what our fears are so like the new like
Speaker 1: being affected by the nuclear power plant is a real thing,
Speaker 1: and we talk about it, but by way of saying like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if a fish is too affect it, it's going to
Speaker 1: turn into a monster, while also being like, yeah, of
Speaker 1: course I will swim in like Norman when I'm six
Speaker 1: beers deep on the fourth of July, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: the same with like, yeah, that's my spiel is like
Speaker 1: the cryptids, it comes from a place of like you're
Speaker 1: going to learn about that society who's coming up with
Speaker 1: these legends.
Speaker 6: Well, I think even nature spirits are intensely influenced by
Speaker 6: the type of people around them, too, so that it's
Speaker 6: only a certain type of person that usually interacts with
Speaker 6: these things, and they usually have multiple experiences. Not necessarily
Speaker 6: downplaying their experiences, but it seems like they're attracted to
Speaker 6: certain types of people. I mean, you see this with
Speaker 6: the bigfoot phenomena all the time. They're sort of, you know,
Speaker 6: drawn to I don't know, there might be a classification
Speaker 6: for that if people actually studied this seriously. But I
Speaker 6: think actually headless.
Speaker 3: I agree with you because my brother's one of those people.
Speaker 3: Like if there's a UFO within five miles, that asshole
Speaker 3: sees it every single time. I've never met a person
Speaker 3: who has had more UFO encounters than my brother, and
Speaker 3: I have seen maybe one suspicious thing in the sky,
Speaker 3: but nothing like it's like these. There are certain people
Speaker 3: that just weird shit happens to them all the time,
Speaker 3: and it's easy for people to say well, yeah.
Speaker 1: It happened to him. Whoo, he's fucking crazy.
Speaker 3: But like I do, I think you're right. There's like
Speaker 3: some people are more sensitive to seeing ghosts and some
Speaker 3: people are more I would love to see because it
Speaker 3: reminds me of The Fourth Kind.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: They talk about the owl turning into something and it
Speaker 3: ended up being extraterrestrial in nature. But I would be
Speaker 3: interested to see something like that for myself. I think
Speaker 3: it's curious.
Speaker 2: Oh was the owl and not in the Fourth Kind?
Speaker 1: Was?
Speaker 2: I didn't know Whitney Striver's thing, Yeah, what was that.
Speaker 4: In the It's all throughout UFO alien lore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I could be getting confused, but I think
Speaker 2: it might have been that Whitley Streamer movie as well.
Speaker 2: I can't remember the fuck that's true it was yeh yeah.
Speaker 6: Got the phenomena of owls being associated with bigfoots as well.
Speaker 6: There's like that that's sort of like crossover between bigfoot
Speaker 6: and aliens. Is this owl kind of image that usually
Speaker 6: it's larger than average and it's got really creepy eyes,
Speaker 6: but you know, it's slightly different from a normal owl.
Speaker 4: But never turning into a cat.
Speaker 3: So that's what makes this so interesting right, I've never
Speaker 3: heard that before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've definitely got to have to trademark
Speaker 2: that one exactly right.
Speaker 1: See, here's the thing.
Speaker 6: Nature spirits know who's who's been smoking, they know who's
Speaker 6: been taking LSD, and they know who they can get
Speaker 6: away with popping up in front of.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 2: Think, so that just sometimes they just troll people at
Speaker 2: a stone with somebody. Oh, I know, if I you,
Speaker 2: probably I would.
Speaker 5: I mean, I tend to think that those types of
Speaker 5: things do help, when taken in the appropriate amounts, help
Speaker 5: people connect with nature better. I personally believe that, you know,
Speaker 5: what heightens some of your senses. You were to go
Speaker 5: take a microdose and maybe go out in the forest
Speaker 5: or something, I think you might feel a little bit
Speaker 5: more you know, connected spiritualated things. So I could totally
Speaker 5: see that it enhancing that experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: There is also a lake monster where I grew up,
Speaker 3: called Bessie to Lake Erie, which is one of the
Speaker 3: Great Lakes. It wasn't like created or anything, So I
Speaker 3: tend to think maybe sometimes people see shit Besides dead
Speaker 3: bodies in Lake Erie, there is a lot of stuff
Speaker 3: that pops up that's weird that's coming out of Lake erie.
Speaker 3: So there could be. I mean everybody, it's like you said,
Speaker 3: everybody's got their lake monster or whatever.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I tend to like to do like paranormal investigations and stuff.
Speaker 3: I don't even know how you would go about do
Speaker 3: an investigation to see if there was a lake monster.
Speaker 3: I feel like you'd need like equipment from the Discovery
Speaker 3: Channel or something like that to even prove that that
Speaker 3: was a thing.
Speaker 1: That's the goal. That's the goal is to get a
Speaker 1: real expedition our boy Josh to come to Lake Norman.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I know you're talking about it nice. That'd
Speaker 2: be wild. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, if you can find something, then then I'm a
Speaker 1: true believer.
Speaker 6: I think there is something to the idea that genus loci.
Speaker 6: That's what the Romans called it. It was the spirit
Speaker 6: of a place, you know, and that spirit of a
Speaker 6: place comes through and the images that you sort of
Speaker 6: see in front of you.
Speaker 1: So it's got Well, here, let me hit you with
Speaker 1: something spooky that will probably I feel like you'll think
Speaker 1: it's a connection with that, but this will also close
Speaker 1: us close us out. But North Carolina, Charlotte, North Carolina,
Speaker 1: that area Mecklenberg County is the site of the first
Speaker 1: gold rush before California, and it happened because the teenager's
Speaker 1: name with Conrad Reid was bow hunting in a river
Speaker 1: behind his house and he found a fourteen pound nugget
Speaker 1: of gold and he didn't know what it was that
Speaker 1: his family used it as a doorstop for three years
Speaker 1: before finally they were like, you know, it's shiny, we
Speaker 1: need money. Let's go over to Fayetteville see if we
Speaker 1: can sell it. And after being swindled and then bringing
Speaker 1: guns and their money, they got like thousands of dollars
Speaker 1: for this gold nugget, and that kicked off this giant
Speaker 1: gold rush in North Carolina is specifically the Charlotte area,
Speaker 1: and in Mecklinberg County there were seventy five active mines
Speaker 1: that are now abandoned underneath city limits. So we're sitting
Speaker 1: on top of Swiss cheese. But also that gold community
Speaker 1: was the reason why we had the mint moved to
Speaker 1: Charlotte during the Civil War because we were printing money
Speaker 1: for the bad guys. And then now we are literally
Speaker 1: like the second Wall Street in the United States right
Speaker 1: underneath New York. Like if nine to eleven happens and
Speaker 1: Wall Street shuts down in New York. They're coming to Charlotte.
Speaker 1: We have Bank of America, we have Wells Fargo for
Speaker 1: just these huge power powerhouses of banks. And so it's
Speaker 1: kind of said that because of our history of gold,
Speaker 1: there is a like spirit of greed in Charlotte that
Speaker 1: has that's like the spirit of the place. Like what
Speaker 1: you're saying, I don't feel that.
Speaker 6: But it's so agre is below a zeitgeist. The zeitgeist
Speaker 6: would be like a spirit of an age, and then
Speaker 6: an is kind of like a thought form that's created
Speaker 6: by different groups of people.
Speaker 2: This podcast, that.
Speaker 6: Idea that there could be this Judas Loki agrigor of greed,
Speaker 6: I can totally buy into that.
Speaker 3: A lot, by the way, right, but the.
Speaker 6: First thing they did with this chunk of gold is
Speaker 6: trying to swindle them. That leaves the mark.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they brought it. They brought it to Fayetville and
Speaker 1: they were given fourteen dollars for it, and instantly and
Speaker 1: instantly the guy was like no, no, no, go back
Speaker 1: in there with a gun and demands more. And then
Speaker 1: he walked out with like thousands. So history would have
Speaker 1: been very different.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that kind of goes into our buddy Mike Wand's
Speaker 6: theory is that the first stories of a place about
Speaker 6: certain stuff generally have an impact on the rest of
Speaker 6: how how that place is seen.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: When you add that folklore as an aspect to culture,
Speaker 6: you end up finding that it influences a lot more
Speaker 6: than just the mindset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, i'll hit you. I'll hit you with one
Speaker 1: more thing that I'll hold on to. But when the
Speaker 1: British came into town during the Revolutionary War, they there
Speaker 1: was the Battle of Charlotte. They went into uptown and
Speaker 1: like everyone, the militia fought back, survived three volleys even
Speaker 1: with like the minimal people. But then when they took
Speaker 1: over Charlotte, everyone in town was so hostile to them,
Speaker 1: like constantly just bombarding them with ship, not being like
Speaker 1: cooperative during any of you know, they're trying to set
Speaker 1: up camp where corn Wallace, which if you saw the Patriot,
Speaker 1: he was like the main head honcho of the civil
Speaker 1: ar of the Revolutionary War, but he called Charlotte a
Speaker 1: hornet's nest of rebellion because he was ready to get
Speaker 1: out because he was pissed off. How unwelcome. He was there,
Speaker 1: and now we have the Charlotte Hornets basketball team. And
Speaker 1: then also we are no strangers to rioting, so that
Speaker 1: spirit of rebellion has stuck with us. So I'll take
Speaker 1: that over the greed one any day.
Speaker 6: Well, it's the perfect dichotomy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, that's all you need to know about
Speaker 1: Charlotte Spooking. Make sure to make sure to follow the
Speaker 1: page Spooky Colt. If you haven't our, that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll try to teach about history like if even if
Speaker 1: you're if you don't like Charlotte, Like, if you keep
Speaker 1: up with my posts, you're gonna know a bunch of
Speaker 1: ship and it's a good thing.
Speaker 2: No, it's definitely interesting. Like I said, you had you
Speaker 2: do have a lot of like even the history, there
Speaker 2: was things that I didn't know about wanted to go
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: So you just need to have someone super passionate about
Speaker 1: making it sound interesting. And the cheat code is making
Speaker 1: it a ghost story.
Speaker 2: That's that always helps. I agree real quick before we
Speaker 2: wrap it up, what like, I know you said before
Speaker 2: you want to get you know, expedition out there. But
Speaker 2: what all like some of your goals are going forward?
Speaker 2: You have, like anythings that you're trying to do.
Speaker 1: Or want to write a book, for sure. I just
Speaker 1: supplied this afternoon to be on the Historic Landmarks Commission.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to get more work involved with local government.
Speaker 1: I'm already the board of I'm on the board of
Speaker 1: the cemetery that I'm always helping out at. So just
Speaker 1: trying to get more involved, get more people involved. Lately,
Speaker 1: I have been seeing more accounts that are Charlotte based,
Speaker 1: doing videos about Charlotte history and ghost stories, and I'm like, great,
Speaker 1: this will make my work easy for me. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to as my whole thing is as long
Speaker 1: as I have having fun, I'm going to keep doing this.
Speaker 1: I'm still having fun, and I have fundraising goals for
Speaker 1: certain things. My October is already booked up for events
Speaker 1: with what I can handle, so I'm keep them busy.
Speaker 1: It's just the goal is to always be just be
Speaker 1: having fun while I'm doing this, because once it's not
Speaker 1: fun anymore, I'm not gonna not gonna want to do it.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, No, I totally know what you mean, man,
Speaker 2: I totally know what you mean. That's awesome. Yeah, as
Speaker 2: long as it stays fun. I think you're kind of
Speaker 2: doing like your willingness. Yea, real quick, do you want
Speaker 2: to remind everybody where they can find your stuff?
Speaker 1: Out again spookyclt dot com or as spooky clt on
Speaker 1: Instagram And I have been on a number of podcast
Speaker 1: episodes and I try to tell different stuff, but sometimes
Speaker 1: it gets hard. If you just look on Spotify for
Speaker 1: spooky clt, you'll find interviews.
Speaker 2: Awesome, awesome, and then real quick, let just let everybody
Speaker 2: plug their stuff as well, Julia, real quick, you want
Speaker 2: to remind everybody where they can find your amazing work. Please?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me Nick, Yeah, this was a really
Speaker 3: interesting one. I love all the creepy spooky stuff Cosmic
Speaker 3: Beach podcasts wherever you listen to podcasts, and yeah, thanks
Speaker 3: for having me of.
Speaker 2: Course, no, thank you for coming on and broke from
Speaker 2: Dark Florida. Please let everybody know where they can find
Speaker 2: your amazing stuff.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can find me on Instagram at Dark Florida
Speaker 5: podcast And this was an absolute pleasure. Thanks for having
Speaker 5: me on, and I got to learn so much and
Speaker 5: I can't wait to look into more of what we
Speaker 5: talked about. And keep doing what you're doing. I highly
Speaker 5: respect the work that you're doing up there and how
Speaker 5: you're honoring the dead and people who have passed on.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you so much for coming on, Brooke. I
Speaker 2: always appreciate when you can make it real.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, of.
Speaker 2: Course and less join sure.
Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Spooky. I love the work you're doing.
Speaker 6: Historical preservation in a town that's you know, bank or
Speaker 6: focused is one of the more important things you could
Speaker 6: be doing because it's only so long until they get
Speaker 6: hungry for a new spot to set up shops. It's
Speaker 6: really easy to keep you are not kidding, easy to
Speaker 6: keep history preserved out here in places like Black River Falls.
Speaker 6: We're known for the Wisconsin Death Trip. Have you ever
Speaker 6: heard of that? But uh static X album. He called
Speaker 6: his album Wiscod's the Death Trip because his friend had
Speaker 6: a book on the table that was documenting the troubles
Speaker 6: and around the nineteen tens, and so it was a
Speaker 6: book all about these people who were starving to out
Speaker 6: and shooting each other in the face because there was
Speaker 6: no more logging industry. It was horrible. It's kind of
Speaker 6: stayed that way ever since.
Speaker 3: Seems like a good reason to shoot someone in the face.
Speaker 2: No more logs seems just yeah, but thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: He liss yo, you want to remind everybody about your
Speaker 2: Thursday show one more time?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 6: Absolutely yeah. You can message. You can email me your
Speaker 6: spooky stories and we'll analyze them on the show on
Speaker 6: Thursday nights. You can email me at Headless Giant Podcast
Speaker 6: at gmail dot com.
Speaker 2: Thank you, awesome, Thank you so much, Hellis, thank you
Speaker 2: so much, Broking, thank you so much. Julia and Jason
Speaker 2: from Spooky CLT. Thank you so much for coming on. Man,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. That was an awesome time for me. Yes,
Speaker 2: and please, uh the listeners go check out his stuff.
Speaker 2: His links are in the bottom and his Instagram tag.
Speaker 2: And that is the end of another Recult Rejects and
Speaker 2: until the next one, everybody be well.