Speaker 1: Night.
Speaker 2: Can. I'm seven hundred WLW on this Tuesday evening, March eighteenth,
Speaker 2: recovering from Saint Patrick's Day. I hope to feel better now,
Speaker 2: and here's some more news that will make you feel
Speaker 2: even better, I hope. Unless you're still convinced that man
Speaker 2: made climate change is going to kill the planet in
Speaker 2: the next twenty years, we have with this old friend,
Speaker 2: Executive director of the Climate Science Coalition of America, author
Speaker 2: of four books on energy, climate change, sustainable development, over
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand copies in print. The latest, of course,
Speaker 2: is Green Breakdown, last year's book about the coming renewable
Speaker 2: energy failure. It is still out there, it is still relevant.
Speaker 2: And man, the breakneck pace we are going at reversing
Speaker 2: all the bad policies of the previous four years in
Speaker 2: this country, to mark some of those and talk about
Speaker 2: what is going on again, a really just incredible pace.
Speaker 2: Steve Gorham, Steve, how are you.
Speaker 3: Gary, Jeff, I'm doing great, Great to join you again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it is astonishing what's going on right now with the
Speaker 3: Trump administration. Far beyond my expectations. He's turned climate change
Speaker 3: policy upside down, actually just removing it. It's the terms
Speaker 3: climate change are being removed from all federal websites right now,
Speaker 3: and really big, big changes.
Speaker 2: Well, you wonder how many of those executive orders Joe
Speaker 2: Biden signed with an auto pen that staffer actually signed,
Speaker 2: you know, interns, we're signing executive orders apparently during the
Speaker 2: last administration. But you're right, that's another one. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: refreshing to see these turnabouts, especially in primary. We'll lead
Speaker 2: off talking about the Department of Defense. The new Secretary
Speaker 2: of Defense, Pete Hagseth, who I was rooting for. I
Speaker 2: know they really, really, the left really politicked against this
Speaker 2: guy getting better back into the military mindset that needs
Speaker 2: to exist to properly defend our country. Lethality and all
Speaker 2: the rest. And some of his other changes that he's
Speaker 2: already been making and he's getting kicked back from in
Speaker 2: courts and on the left, you know, are very important.
Speaker 2: Uniforms are called uniform because they're all the same, and
Speaker 2: grooming and all these other kinds of things have come
Speaker 2: into form real early on in the Peak Headset administration.
Speaker 2: There the Secretary of Department of Defense says the DoD
Speaker 2: does not do climate change. Crap. I couldn't have said
Speaker 2: it any more. Succinctly, So talk about the changes that
Speaker 2: are coming to the US military because of this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is more than terminology. This is really a big,
Speaker 3: big change. And for about the last fourteen fifteen years,
Speaker 3: the US military has been pushing this climate change stuff.
Speaker 3: An example is now down. The military is the biggest
Speaker 3: user of petroleum fuel in the world, about four point
Speaker 3: six billion gallons of.
Speaker 4: Fuel each here and back.
Speaker 3: During the Obama administration, the US Navy announced plans to
Speaker 3: get rid of reduce hydridcarbon fuels. US Secretary of the
Speaker 3: Navy Ray Mabis said that by twenty twenty, at least
Speaker 3: half of all energy that the Navy uses both a
Speaker 3: float and the shore will come from non fossil fuel sources.
Speaker 3: They called it the Great Green Fleet Initiative. And so
Speaker 3: the Navy spent by twenty seventeen fifty seven billion dollars
Speaker 3: to try and put biofuels into all the ships. And
Speaker 3: the bioflows are very, very expensive. They started out about
Speaker 3: twenty seven dollars a gallon, got down to fourteen dollars
Speaker 3: a gallon, but you know, regular fuel is about two
Speaker 3: dollars a gallon. They also were proposing these green destroyers
Speaker 3: thirty four of them that would have electric engines in
Speaker 3: them as well as fuel engines. But these things all
Speaker 3: were terrible ideas. The green destroyers, for example, couldn't keep
Speaker 3: up with the carriers when they were in the fleet,
Speaker 3: the nuclear carriers, so that was a big waste. They
Speaker 3: found out with bibles, they couldn't really get enough of it,
Speaker 3: and when they went overseas the ports they couldn't be refueled.
Speaker 3: So by twenty twenty two, less than one percent of
Speaker 3: the Navy was using biofuels, despite Mabi's proposal it was
Speaker 3: going to be fifty percent.
Speaker 5: So in totally the US military has.
Speaker 3: Probably spent over one hundred billion dollars of complete waste
Speaker 3: the last fourteen or fifteen years on all this stuff,
Speaker 3: and talk about things like electric tanks.
Speaker 6: And all sorts of other things just goofy stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, mister Hicksth is putting a stop to that, and
Speaker 3: it's just one of the huge changes that are going
Speaker 3: on in the Trump government right now.
Speaker 2: Well, what you talk about the green Fleet initiative failing
Speaker 2: miserably because it wasn't practically, it didn't work, doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense. So many of those things happened during
Speaker 2: the previous administration, and I don't know who was leading it,
Speaker 2: because I don't think it was Joe Biden or any
Speaker 2: of the department heads or secretaries of the different cabinets.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I mean we had the you talk about
Speaker 2: only one percent had finished after they'd undergone all of
Speaker 2: this expense and intensive kind of movement. That way. It
Speaker 2: reminded me of the eight billion dollars that were spent
Speaker 2: on building electric charging stations and they managed to build
Speaker 2: seven of them. It's all kinds of craziness like this.
Speaker 2: There have been all kinds of cuts, obviously, with doze
Speaker 2: and redundancies made to the staffs of almost all the
Speaker 2: almost all the agencies in Washington, d C. Which I'd
Speaker 2: love to see and didn't think it'd be moving at
Speaker 2: this faster pace either. NOAH is one of those agencies.
Speaker 2: The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration tell me what's happening
Speaker 2: at NOAH and the EPA specifically Steve Yeah.
Speaker 3: So NOAH has about thirteen thousand employees, and about one
Speaker 3: thousand have already been laid off and another thousand are
Speaker 3: targeted now. NOAH runs two of the climate models that
Speaker 3: have been forecasting climate out decades. There are also climate
Speaker 3: models at the Department of Energy, which is also experiencing cuts.
Speaker 3: There are climate models. Well let's see where is the
Speaker 3: other one. Oh so at NASA as well, the National
Speaker 3: Aeronautic and Space Administration, and they've been given the task
Speaker 3: that they're going to work on space and quit working
Speaker 3: on climate. So I'm waiting to see if all these
Speaker 3: climate models are cut. There's just there's at least six
Speaker 3: of them at US agencies, and then there's a bunch
Speaker 3: more that are getting federal money around the country. And
Speaker 3: these are things that have been that generating climate scare
Speaker 3: for a long long time.
Speaker 2: Well, they're flawed, the environmental they're flawed climate model is
Speaker 2: what you're talking about here. And people think, well, no,
Speaker 2: this you don't want to eliminate something that's science and
Speaker 2: something that's you know, settled science, Steve, because you know,
Speaker 2: don't want this this monster to sneak up on us
Speaker 2: and kill us all in the next ten years because
Speaker 2: we're using fossil fuels. But these models that you're referring
Speaker 2: to have all been proven to be unscientific and flawed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're very They all give different outputs, they don't
Speaker 3: correspond to past history. They cost twenty million dollars to
Speaker 3: run a climate modeling team a year, running it on
Speaker 3: a supercomputer. So there's literally billions of dollars out there
Speaker 3: with all these models. There's something like more than thirty
Speaker 3: models around the world. Jeez, but Trump is maybe cutting
Speaker 3: those necks. I'm looking to see if that's happening the
Speaker 3: Environmental Protection Agency. You know, twenty billion dollars that went
Speaker 3: to a New York to be tributed to environmental groups
Speaker 3: last year out of the Biden administration just kind of
Speaker 3: again crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: And well leez Elden has put a hold to that.
Speaker 2: I was going to say, lee Zelden has I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's clawed been able to plow any of
Speaker 2: that money back that's already out the door. This is
Speaker 2: the other issue, and judges may side. In fact, the
Speaker 2: Supreme Court already cited that contracts that were signed before
Speaker 2: January twentieth or twenty twenty five, legal contracts, if they're
Speaker 2: in good faith, have to be fulfilled. But anything going forward,
Speaker 2: and I think I don't know how much in retrospect
Speaker 2: we can do to the money that's already been misappropriated
Speaker 2: or you know, ferried out or laundered can be gotten back.
Speaker 2: But it's what happens from this point forward that's most important. Right.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And the other issue is that a lot of this
Speaker 3: money was allocated under the Inflation Reduction Act, an Act
Speaker 3: of Congress, and Miss Trump's gonna have trouble getting that money.
Speaker 3: He's frozen a lot of it. But he the next steps.
Speaker 3: You know, they got the budget bill passed. The next
Speaker 3: step is to go in and see if they can
Speaker 3: cut a lot of that funding that's coming out of
Speaker 3: the Inflation Reduction Act in other areas that is not needed.
Speaker 3: So that's gonna be a big, big thing. But if
Speaker 3: Congress is successful in doing that, then then a lot
Speaker 3: of that other money can be blocked as well. Again,
Speaker 3: these things are under the Inflation Reduction Act. There was
Speaker 3: something like two trillion dollars over ten years that's going
Speaker 3: to and almost all of that is going to win
Speaker 3: solar and biofuels and carbon diox i capture, ev charging stations,
Speaker 3: green hydrogen, all these green programs that would not exist
Speaker 3: without all his federal and state money. So if he's
Speaker 3: able to stop that, that's a big part of just
Speaker 3: stopping the green energy movement's tracks in.
Speaker 2: The United States. Well, FEMA is another agency that also
Speaker 2: had all kinds of green climate initiatives or models, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call them. And FEMA itself may be
Speaker 2: on its last legs and just be absorbed into the
Speaker 2: Department of Homeland Security permanently, and then you know.
Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, the Federal Energy Management Agency, they react to
Speaker 3: disasters and a lot of that is good work. But
Speaker 3: they also have a climate department in there too, and
Speaker 3: I think that's where the big cuts are going to
Speaker 3: be from that climate department. But it is remarkable right
Speaker 3: now the amount of funding cuts and a lot of
Speaker 3: these folks now when the courts rule that they can't
Speaker 3: fire them, then what they've done is they've taken them
Speaker 3: and put them on paid administrative leave, which means they're
Speaker 3: out of the job until the time comes that they
Speaker 3: can get rid of them, which will come in it,
Speaker 3: you know, in a few months or so. So, by
Speaker 3: the way, an example with all this money being shut
Speaker 3: off is the General Services Administration, which is in charge
Speaker 3: of all the buildings in the federal government, and that
Speaker 3: the GSA has just said they're gonna they're going to
Speaker 3: dismantle eight thousand EV chargers that they were building, and
Speaker 3: they're going to offload all their electric vehicles that they
Speaker 3: were going to have because there's just no money for
Speaker 3: it anymore. It's just disappeared.
Speaker 2: Uh Now, people are people are always making the case,
Speaker 2: Steve Gorm that global temperatures are abnormally warm. That's what
Speaker 2: the UN says. What's the real truth about that?
Speaker 3: Well, you and said not too long ago that we
Speaker 3: were in the age of global boiling, which is very poetic.
Speaker 3: But but if you, if you look at history and
Speaker 3: you look at the actual data, you find out that
Speaker 3: today's climate is not historically warm. We've had many periods
Speaker 3: in the past a couple thousand years when it's been
Speaker 3: much warmer than today.
Speaker 2: We're still we're still coming out of and warming up
Speaker 2: from a many many ice age three hundred years ago.
Speaker 3: We've had a little bit of warming, a very gentle warming,
Speaker 3: about a little more than one degree celsia since eighteen eighty,
Speaker 3: one hundred and forty years. But there are many, many, many, many,
Speaker 3: a lot of data it was warmer in the past.
Speaker 3: An example is the Rhone Glacier in Switzerland, a mountainside
Speaker 3: and mountainside glacier and the Rhone River flows out of it,
Speaker 3: goes into France down in the Mediterranean, and that glacier
Speaker 3: has been receding for more than a century. But underneath it,
Speaker 3: when it pulls back, they find wagon wheels and horse bridles,
Speaker 3: and they find wood that's four thousand years old, a.
Speaker 4: Year old wood.
Speaker 3: And the scientists have pointed out this valley where there's
Speaker 3: a glacier today has been ice free for most of
Speaker 3: the last ten thousand years. So what the UN is
Speaker 3: telling you about it being abnormally warm.
Speaker 7: Is just crazy.
Speaker 3: And by the way, all those warm periods in the
Speaker 3: past were when we didn't have power plants or sup
Speaker 3: utility vehicles. That was just nature doing all of that.
Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, I love this graphic
Speaker 2: that you sent me about this melting glacier uncovers four
Speaker 2: thousand year old wood. The planet in the climate is
Speaker 2: constantly changing, is the point. And man's contribution to that
Speaker 2: is relatively insignificant, isn't it. It's pretty small.
Speaker 3: Actually, if you break down the greenhouse effect, which is
Speaker 3: blamed for trapping out going infra red radiation and when
Speaker 3: we emit stuff in our industry it adds to the
Speaker 3: greenhouse effect. But if you break down the effect, the
Speaker 3: first thing you find out is that about seventy to
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the greenhouse effect is good to water, vapor,
Speaker 3: and clouds. And then if you take the last quarter,
Speaker 3: that's mostly carbon dioxide and little methane. But then most
Speaker 3: of that carbon dioxide is from nature. Every day, nature
Speaker 3: puts carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from oceans and from
Speaker 3: the biosphere, and nature puts twenty times as much into
Speaker 3: the atmosphere every day as all of our industries and
Speaker 3: are moved about the same amount.
Speaker 2: So when you really go through the greenhouse.
Speaker 3: Effect, you find out that human industry is responsible for
Speaker 3: one or two percent of the effect.
Speaker 2: It's very, very.
Speaker 3: Small, and we would not be able to even if
Speaker 3: we eliminate all greenhouse gases, we wouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: measure that difference in global temperatures.
Speaker 6: It's so small.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Climate change is dominated by nature, not man made emissions.
Speaker 3: And the world spending two billion dollars a year trying
Speaker 3: to stop the oceans from rising.
Speaker 5: That's a complete waste of money.
Speaker 2: CO two is not poison. It's not a pollutant. It
Speaker 2: is necessary for life on Earth. We know that CO
Speaker 2: two is green. In a recent article, you were pointing
Speaker 2: out that localities, towns, and cities and in many states
Speaker 2: pushing back against green energy. It's so weird that how
Speaker 2: this is flipped on its head, Steve, just in a
Speaker 2: few short months and the last couple of years ago
Speaker 2: when they saw the green energy was not efficient or
Speaker 2: cost effective. There's a bill bounding eminent domain for wind
Speaker 2: and solar in Oklahoma. There's a bill in Arizona that
Speaker 2: would ban wind systems on more than ninety percent of
Speaker 2: state land. We've gone from banning drilling for the natural
Speaker 2: resources that we have to banning these so called sustainable
Speaker 2: projects that don't necessarily fit our needs or work.
Speaker 3: Now, this is the other side of the coin. We
Speaker 3: got Trump on one side. Now we have states and
Speaker 3: cities blocking things. A USA Today did a study at
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and found that there are four hundred
Speaker 3: counties now in the United States that are blocking wind systems,
Speaker 3: and that number has risen in the last year and
Speaker 3: a half to over five hundred counties. That's about sixteen
Speaker 3: percent of US counties that restrict wind systems. About one
Speaker 3: hundred counties are restricting wind and solar, and the data
Speaker 3: show that we're getting more and more wind and solar
Speaker 3: rejections in the US. One of the big reasons is
Speaker 3: that wind takes about one hundred times wind and solo
Speaker 3: take one hundred times the land area as a traditional
Speaker 3: nuclear or coal or natural gas power plants. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then also they're in remote areas, are up on ridges,
Speaker 3: they are far from cities, so you have to build
Speaker 3: all this transmission, and you have to build two or
Speaker 3: three times the transmission powers that you would with a
Speaker 3: traditional power plant. You got to build out the remote areas,
Speaker 3: and people don't like transmission powers next to their property.
Speaker 3: So we have states and counties and towns pushing back.
Speaker 2: Now, well, I don't personally, I don't like to look
Speaker 2: at the arrays of bird killers, and I really am
Speaker 2: not a big fan of seeing beautiful farmland swallowed up
Speaker 2: with solar panels. Steve Gorham as always enlightening and a
Speaker 2: great chance to discuss some of this green breakdowns. Still
Speaker 2: out here is still going strong. Have you got any
Speaker 2: more books and the works now?
Speaker 8: Right now?
Speaker 3: I need a good idea. Well, maybe I'll write another
Speaker 3: one we'll see. But uh again, Green Green Breakdowns a
Speaker 3: lot of fun. It's a complete discussion of the energy
Speaker 3: transition from power plants, home appliances, dbs, everything else. And
Speaker 3: it's got a whole bunch of color sidebars. One for example, Uh,
Speaker 3: these are real headlines Britain's advice to stop showering to
Speaker 3: conserve energy. And there were even some people saying that
Speaker 3: you should shower with a friend in England to uh
Speaker 3: to keep to serve save energy.
Speaker 2: But listen, you you know what you're saying. Listen, Steve,
Speaker 2: you do you, I'll do me and and we'll figure
Speaker 2: out what's what's the best for our showering habits. Uh.
Speaker 2: Can you find the books anywhere, Steve.
Speaker 3: Or yeah, my website Steve Gorham dot com.
Speaker 2: G O R E H A M.
Speaker 3: I'll send him a signed copy of Green Breakdown and
Speaker 3: my other books like The Madman, Mad World of Climatism
Speaker 3: or the ebooks as well, and you can get them
Speaker 3: on the Amazon.
Speaker 2: All right, fantastic, Thank you for your time tonight. Steve Gorham,
Speaker 2: Executive director of the Client Science Climate Science Coalition of
Speaker 2: American author of Green Breakdown, out right now in available
Speaker 2: as you heard the Nightcap continues in mere moments after
Speaker 2: a break on seven hundred Wlwrick conversants. If that's a
Speaker 2: word it Guy Doomsday, Dave the tech Guru Dave Hatter
Speaker 2: is back for a nightcap conversation. Man, it's good to
Speaker 2: talk to you, always is, and I wish you could
Speaker 2: have been there for the Saturday Morning edition party this
Speaker 2: past weekend. It was a great, great gathering and I'll
Speaker 2: have to send you a group picture. Maybe we can
Speaker 2: find one of you and photoshop you in Dave.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there you go. We can use some deep bay technology. Well.
Speaker 5: First off, care Jeff as all we thanks for having
Speaker 5: me on. You know I feel the same way about you,
Speaker 5: and I'm sorry I didn't make it Saturday to either
Speaker 5: the event or down of the bar. Saturday morning, I
Speaker 5: was doing the Kent and County Mayors group meeting. It's
Speaker 5: one of the most exciting and riveting experiences you could
Speaker 5: ever have in your life.
Speaker 2: Tell you, I got to tell you this. When I
Speaker 2: first started in radio as an intern, they had me
Speaker 2: and then one of my first jobs, along with being
Speaker 2: a disc jockey, was to go and cover the local
Speaker 2: school board meeting and take notes for the news department.
Speaker 2: I fell asleep in the middle of the meeting and
Speaker 2: had to get notes from somebody else. When the meeting
Speaker 2: was over and they woke me up. I was You're right,
Speaker 2: I understand how riveting those those mayor's meetings can be.
Speaker 5: Dave, I'm not shocked by that, Gary, I'm not shocked.
Speaker 2: We have been warning people and warning people, and they
Speaker 2: still don't listen. They keep on talking to their alexa,
Speaker 2: to their echo, and it's it's too late to do
Speaker 2: anything about what you said to your echo in the
Speaker 2: last six months, but you might want to watch your
Speaker 2: tongue for the next week or so because everything you
Speaker 2: say to your echo will be sent to Amazon starting
Speaker 2: on March twenty eighth. Now, what is the reason they're
Speaker 2: sending everything you say to your echo to Amazon. I'm
Speaker 2: unclear on this, Dave.
Speaker 5: Well, there's their ostensible reason and then there's you know,
Speaker 5: what I would suggest is the real reason. But before
Speaker 5: I forgets Garry, Jeff, if I could real quick, I
Speaker 5: just want to give a shout out to my oldest son, Samuel.
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Speaker 5: Love you buddy, proud of you, good job. So this's
Speaker 5: Amazon thing, you know, Gary Jeff, I have my issues
Speaker 5: with Amazon, like all these big tech companies, and it's
Speaker 5: mostly because A, I don't believe that consumers that use
Speaker 5: these products use them with full informed consent. Be the
Speaker 5: business model of these companies is heavily plated in their favor,
Speaker 5: and you know, you are their product, not their customer,
Speaker 5: which kind of leads back to my first point. And
Speaker 5: then see their whole business model guarantees that they are
Speaker 5: delivering these so called smart products, devices intern out of things,
Speaker 5: devices that are really geared towards feed the market, ease
Speaker 5: of use, the market share at the expense of your
Speaker 5: privacy and security, so Amazon claims. And then email they
Speaker 5: send out to their customers. Now, I want to be clear,
Speaker 5: Gary Jeff, I don't have an Amazon Echo or any
Speaker 5: sort of these so called smart home personal assistance, digital
Speaker 5: assistance whatever they go by today. Even on my Apple phone,
Speaker 5: I have SERI turned off. Yeah, I'm the sort of
Speaker 5: lud eyed who just types on the phone because I
Speaker 5: don't want these things listening to me. And there's two
Speaker 5: reasons both the point you're asking about in this article
Speaker 5: and a study was done a couple of years ago
Speaker 5: where they took a bunch of these devices Amazon, Echo,
Speaker 5: Google Home or whatever they call it, and a bunch
Speaker 5: of these things and put them in a room with
Speaker 5: a TV and let it play for twenty four hours
Speaker 5: to see how often these things will activate versus when
Speaker 5: they should activate. Because you say they're activation phrase, wake phrase,
Speaker 5: hot word or whatever they call it, right, everybody called
Speaker 5: it something difference, And while I wasn't shocked, I think
Speaker 5: most people if they went and saw how often these
Speaker 5: things activate when you haven't said hey, Alexa or hay
Speaker 5: theory or whatever it is, right, And it'll be funny
Speaker 5: how many of these we probably just set off by
Speaker 5: saying that. It's pretty surprising. And again it's because they're
Speaker 5: going to err on the side of making it easy
Speaker 5: for consumers to use. If you have to keep talking
Speaker 5: to the thing and it doesn't do what you ask
Speaker 5: it too, it's going to get really frustrated. Right. Kind
Speaker 5: of reminds me Gary, Jeff, do you remember in Star
Speaker 5: Trek four, the one where they're coming back to get
Speaker 5: the whales and Scotty's trying to talk to the computer.
Speaker 5: Now it's quite hilarious. And the guy's like, no, you
Speaker 5: use it like this, and he puts it down on Scotty.
Speaker 5: He's like, oh, how quaint. Anyhow, you know it's a classic,
Speaker 5: that's one of the funniest Star Trek movies. But anyhow,
Speaker 5: you know, they claim they're doing this. In the old
Speaker 5: version of this thing, you had a way. Now you
Speaker 5: had to turn it on again. This kind of gets
Speaker 5: back to the privacy washing angle, where these companies don't
Speaker 5: give you good advice, don't want you to talk off features,
Speaker 5: want to collect your data, want to violate your privacy.
Speaker 5: You'd have to turn it on and basically say I
Speaker 5: don't want my recordings send to Amazon servers. I want
Speaker 5: them processed locally on the device, well, per this email.
Speaker 5: And ostensibly because they're only out some AI features and
Speaker 5: you're going to get all this additional capability, which requires
Speaker 5: the amazing power of their AI servers, you now have
Speaker 5: to send all your recordings to Amazon, whether you want
Speaker 5: to or not, if you want to be able to
Speaker 5: utilize the device. So in theory, it's because they're bringing
Speaker 5: you more power, more convenience, more capabilities, you know, I
Speaker 5: would argue it's because they just want more of your data.
Speaker 5: And I would also suggest that people look into some
Speaker 5: of the previous complaints about these devices in general, as
Speaker 5: well as Echo and Alex in particular around what they're
Speaker 5: doing with your data, who can access it, who can
Speaker 5: listen to those recordings, et cetera. And then finally, Gary Jeff,
Speaker 5: it's well documented that these things have been used in
Speaker 5: court cases before, so you know, buyer beware.
Speaker 2: Well, I wanted to change gears real quick here Dave
Speaker 2: and talk about a not so pleasant experience I had
Speaker 2: with my provider of my cell phone and my Outlook
Speaker 2: email service whatever I use my phone for, and it's
Speaker 2: very little, but anyway, I don't remember and I cannot
Speaker 2: even think of what my Apple idea is. So I
Speaker 2: wanted to take advantage of a promotion that was going
Speaker 2: on with my provider where I could trade in my
Speaker 2: own my old iPhone for a new iPhone. They were
Speaker 2: going to just give it to me for trading in
Speaker 2: my phone, and you know, I have service with them,
Speaker 2: So I go down there and again it is the
Speaker 2: the bait and switch. They get you into the brick
Speaker 2: and mortar store with these deals that aren't everything they're advertised,
Speaker 2: except maybe in the small print on your television and screen,
Speaker 2: which nobody reads that. Uh, and found out that my
Speaker 2: Apple iPhone my se was too old. It didn't fit
Speaker 2: the qualifications for the swamp. And then and then they
Speaker 2: were going to say, well, we can't get you the
Speaker 2: I sixteen. The iPhone sixteen will get you the iPhone
Speaker 2: fourteen for six hundred dollars spread out over you know,
Speaker 2: two years time whatever not. I said, okay, And but
Speaker 2: you know how they used to at these cell phone places,
Speaker 2: they just changed the SIM card in your new phone,
Speaker 2: they transfer all of your stuff. No, now you have
Speaker 2: to do it yourself at this at this particular office.
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, that's ridiculous. Just six months ago.
Speaker 2: Said well, yeah, that's the way we used to do it.
Speaker 2: We just started doing it this way this month. And
Speaker 2: since I don't know my Apple, id's what's the best.
Speaker 2: And then they finished the conversation without me getting a
Speaker 2: phone at all and walking away with the old phone,
Speaker 2: which I really need to upgrade, and said you may
Speaker 2: want to call Apple, as aid, oh, great, any any
Speaker 2: advice at all for me in this day?
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you have to call Apple. That's probably gonna
Speaker 5: get real tricky, because you know, these large tech companies
Speaker 5: are usually very difficult to get on the phone. And
Speaker 5: from the security perspective, I would remind folks the likelihood
Speaker 5: of Apple, Google, Microsoft, Oracle, IBM fill in the blank
Speaker 5: calling Amazon calling you on the phone to tell you
Speaker 5: you have a security problem is about as great as
Speaker 5: a meteor wiping us both out at this very instant.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know they're not great. Hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: hold on, Dave, We're still here. Thank god, we've dodged another.
Speaker 5: At least for at least for now. Okay, but you know,
Speaker 5: you can try to recover your Apple idea. Apples has
Speaker 5: through their website, you know, various recovery processes to try
Speaker 5: to like reset your password to try to recover your
Speaker 5: you know, use your name to try to recover your
Speaker 5: Apple ID. My suggestion, and we can talk about this
Speaker 5: offline if you want, is to start with the website
Speaker 5: and see if you can get logged in in any way,
Speaker 5: shape or form. You should be able to try to
Speaker 5: recover it through there. You know, Also, as a piece
Speaker 5: of advice, it may be too late for you now,
Speaker 5: but Apple has built in some fairly handy features. And
Speaker 5: this is not because I'm an Apple fanboy. I just
Speaker 5: they tend to be more privacy and security friendly than
Speaker 5: a lot of the other tech providers. So my whole
Speaker 5: family has Apple phones, and you can set up these
Speaker 5: family features so that, like you know, you can recover
Speaker 5: an account from another trusted device. So you know, if
Speaker 5: you want to, for anyone listening to this, if you
Speaker 5: want to try to avoid these kind of problems yourself,
Speaker 5: because you know this happens to people all the time,
Speaker 5: Gary Jef, you know you may want to look into
Speaker 5: some of these family oriented features, assuming you trust your
Speaker 5: family members, and turn some of this stuff on, because
Speaker 5: it can help you recover accounts and do things with
Speaker 5: a lot less grief. Because one of the most problematic
Speaker 5: things for people if they've taken advice nerds like me,
Speaker 5: you're given all the time to turn on multi facture
Speaker 5: authentication and all this other stuff. You get all that
Speaker 5: set up, and then you lose your phone. If all
Speaker 5: those codes are going to the phone, whether it's an
Speaker 5: authenticator app or just the text messages, it can make
Speaker 5: it very difficult to get into your accounts, especially if
Speaker 5: you don't have some of these commergency recovered things set up. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so yeah, you may ultimately have to call Apple. I
Speaker 5: hope you don't have to go down that path because
Speaker 5: that will probably be even more frustrating. But hopefully if
Speaker 5: you go to Apple's website, you'll be able to get
Speaker 5: logged in there and try to recover the account without
Speaker 5: the need to get on the phone, because I suspect
Speaker 5: that might be time consuming.
Speaker 2: And painful for you if you have to do that. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it only gets worse from here. Talking to
Speaker 2: Dave Hatter on the Nightcap on this Tuesday night on
Speaker 2: seven under WLW. All Right, so we've talked about iPhones,
Speaker 2: let's talk about its ugly brother, the Android, because they're
Speaker 2: really really many many problems with Android's devices that aren't
Speaker 2: you don't see generally with the iPhones, including this. The
Speaker 2: title of this is Android devices track you before you
Speaker 2: even sign in? How is that possible?
Speaker 5: Dave? So this particular article is from malay Bites. They
Speaker 5: make security software pretty well in pretty well respected company,
Speaker 5: and you know they look they had they're reporting on
Speaker 5: some research that's basically showing one of the reasons why
Speaker 5: I'm always suggesting to people that when you think about
Speaker 5: these large tech companies and you know who is more
Speaker 5: privacy friendly and security friendly than others? You know, Apple
Speaker 5: seems to be a lot more privacy and security friendly.
Speaker 5: That's not to say they don't have their flaws, but
Speaker 5: this is a perfect example. You know, Google is considered
Speaker 5: constantly being They're having allegations made that they are not
Speaker 5: your friends when it comes to privacy and security, and
Speaker 5: you have to remember the whole business model is around
Speaker 5: collecting your data. Other than androids, the Android operating system,
Speaker 5: and the pixel phone from Google, what can you really
Speaker 5: buy from them as consumer? The answer is almost nothing
Speaker 5: because they give everything away to collect your data. That's
Speaker 5: their business model. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just
Speaker 5: saying that is the business model. And in order to
Speaker 5: maximize the amount of money they can make off of you,
Speaker 5: they want to track you everywhere, all the time, across
Speaker 5: all your devices. You know, they've recently come under fire
Speaker 5: beyond this for backing off the idea that they wouldn't
Speaker 5: use fingerprinting to track you because cookies can be blocked.
Speaker 5: Fingerprinting is a more unique way to track you across
Speaker 5: multiple devices. They were going to not do it now
Speaker 5: they're back to it again. You know, people can make
Speaker 5: their own decisions. But the point they make in this
Speaker 5: article is that if you are using an Android device,
Speaker 5: basically here's a direct quote. Researchers found that multiple identifiers
Speaker 5: are used to track the user of an Android handset
Speaker 5: even before they have opened the Google app or signed
Speaker 5: into their Google account. Pre installed afflict. The Google Plate
Speaker 5: services and Google Play stores send cookies, identifiers, and other
Speaker 5: data to Google servers without user consent. The researchers flag
Speaker 5: that leaves five types of identifiers, advertising analytics, tookise tracking cookies,
Speaker 5: the Google Android ID analytics, cookies used for AP testing,
Speaker 5: multiple other cookies and identifiers which can uniquely identify the handset.
Speaker 5: And then they want to say, since there's no ask
Speaker 5: for consent, there's no way to opt out. And to me,
Speaker 5: that's always the issue with these things, scary Jeff. Even
Speaker 5: if you can't opt out, they often use dark patterns
Speaker 5: and privacy washing to make it difficult to try to
Speaker 5: tell you why you shouldn't opt out. And it's because
Speaker 5: of this whole crazy surveillance capitalism model we're in where
Speaker 5: your data is worth more than the devices themselves. And
Speaker 5: you know, they want and need to collect as much
Speaker 5: as possible to maintain their huge profit margins.
Speaker 2: Till people, what's that? And till people what?
Speaker 5: I just can say until people realize that it would
Speaker 5: be better for them and then there and then their
Speaker 5: own interest to pay a small amount of money for
Speaker 5: things rather than these so called free services. I don't
Speaker 5: know how we're we're going to stop this, because you know,
Speaker 5: people will maintain this mentality of well, why do I
Speaker 5: care about that? You know, I have no privacy, I
Speaker 5: got nothing to hide. But they don't think about the
Speaker 5: long term consequences of all this data and how it
Speaker 5: should be used to manipulate you tell you more stuff,
Speaker 5: and used, you know, like to get around the Fourth Amendment.
Speaker 5: The government just go to these companies and buys this data.
Speaker 2: Well here's here's another and this is kind of associated
Speaker 2: with what we were just talking about. Dave. There's a
Speaker 2: new Android feature scanning your photos for sensitive content. How
Speaker 2: do you stop that? Nip that in the bud and
Speaker 2: what exactly is sensitive content? We got a couple of minutes,
Speaker 2: so if you want to address.
Speaker 5: That, net yeah, I'll it send it real quick. Then
Speaker 5: sensitive content typically you know that's sort of a more
Speaker 5: fuzzy turn for things like child sexual and I can't
Speaker 5: think it a term. It's got a specific legal term,
Speaker 5: but basically you know, whether it's new photos or child
Speaker 5: pornography or whatever. You know. The idea that they rolled
Speaker 5: out a new feature called Android System Safety Core. And
Speaker 5: the good news is in this particular case you can
Speaker 5: disable it, and there are well documented instructions online to
Speaker 5: walk you through the steps on an Android phone if
Speaker 5: you have this in the in the later versions of
Speaker 5: the operating system. But the bottom line is it theoretically
Speaker 5: is going to run in the background on your device
Speaker 5: and look for sensitive content quote unquote. They don't necessarily
Speaker 5: describe that as specific detail, but again it usually for
Speaker 5: child sexual abuse. Again, I thought I had it anyhow,
Speaker 5: see Sam, you can look up the specific definition. It's
Speaker 5: looking for stuff like that. And now there is a
Speaker 5: theoretical benefit. You know, before you upload a nude photo
Speaker 5: or something like that, I could warn you. And again,
Speaker 5: most of this stuff cuts both ways, right, it's not
Speaker 5: always nefarious, But do you really trust Google to scan
Speaker 5: this content and then make decisions about whether it's good
Speaker 5: or bad? You know, could they potentially report you to
Speaker 5: the police for something you inadvert You know, if I
Speaker 5: text you some kind of photo that's illegal, right if
Speaker 5: it finds that on your phone and then you delete it,
Speaker 5: but it's already founded and it's reported you to some authorities.
Speaker 5: Is that a crime? You didn't ask for it, you
Speaker 5: didn't go find it. I send it to you. You
Speaker 5: can't necessarily stop me from sending you something until you
Speaker 5: block me. This just gets into a very gray area
Speaker 5: in my mind and the idea that this thing is
Speaker 5: going to be scanning the content of my device and
Speaker 5: making any kind of decisions about that to the extent
Speaker 5: that it might be beneficial. Yeah, I'm just going to say
Speaker 5: a hard no on that, and you can go online.
Speaker 2: I just want to read sure you I will not
Speaker 2: be sending you any nude photos, I promise normal. Jeff Good,
Speaker 2: it's that I think. I think that is a perfect
Speaker 2: place in the conversation tonight, Dave, and I appreciate your
Speaker 2: time as always, my friend. Thank you very much, David.
Speaker 2: All right, I have more of the Nightcap coming of
Speaker 2: the Nightcap here on seven hundred WLW. You know it
Speaker 2: is the home of the best Bengals coverage and the
Speaker 2: home of the Reds, but it's also the home of
Speaker 2: the Nightcap, which is what you're listening to now. And
Speaker 2: up next is my old friend. And I emphasize old
Speaker 2: but also the friend part because I feel like he
Speaker 2: is a friend. He is the one and only fer
Speaker 2: Ball Andy Furman, and we will discuss something. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. But we didn't plan this sound,
Speaker 2: did we, Andy.
Speaker 7: We never do not, really, we never usually do so.
Speaker 8: And this is the home of the best nightcap coverage too,
Speaker 8: it really is. And so and I want to say
Speaker 8: Psyche once again. By the way, I wish you a
Speaker 8: happy anniversary. You your big party Saturday a Huddles which
Speaker 8: I couldn't make for family reasons, but again I wish
Speaker 8: you so much success and been here a long time,
Speaker 8: over a quarter century.
Speaker 2: And we had a sec We had a seat in
Speaker 2: the group picture reserved just for you, which didn't get filled,
Speaker 2: next to the seven foot cardboard cutout of Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: You would have been right at home. You would have
Speaker 2: been right there, baby. And it was a bit. It
Speaker 2: was a huge party and we're hoping to have some
Speaker 2: photos out soon as soon as keepsake. Kim, who is
Speaker 2: my uh my favorite unofficial official photographer of the Saturday
Speaker 2: morning edition at keep Seek Photography there, uh, and I
Speaker 2: believe it's whit Where is it? I'm not sure, but anyway,
Speaker 2: she came out and did the uh, did the photos
Speaker 2: for the event. And there were some stunners there, including
Speaker 2: Dick from Dayton. And you know, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've ever had the chance to talk to I'm Fox
Speaker 2: Sports thirteen sixty on your Sunday morning show, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he's quite the celebrity these days, and it's all because
Speaker 2: of my show. Anyway.
Speaker 8: And you know what, I will say this about that
Speaker 8: party because I was there last year. Yeah, there was
Speaker 8: no promotion except you behind the microphone on seven hundred.
Speaker 7: Think about that.
Speaker 8: There was no advertisements, There was no promo on the
Speaker 8: station except if they listened to you on Saturday morning
Speaker 8: they showed up.
Speaker 5: Was the credit to you? Because there was one heck
Speaker 5: of an audience there.
Speaker 2: There's only one reason that that is successful, and it
Speaker 2: is all the people who listened to that show on
Speaker 2: Saturday morning and participate in that show. And you're right,
Speaker 2: no station promotions of it or anything else, no sponsor connections,
Speaker 2: just getting together for a good time to celebrate our
Speaker 2: little family on Saturday mornings. And it was lovely to
Speaker 2: have you there.
Speaker 7: And you know what, people are always.
Speaker 8: Celebrating from your party. They still celebrate for your party
Speaker 8: on Saturday. After what happened yesterday with the Bengals with
Speaker 8: Chase and t Higgins signing their contract, which I had
Speaker 8: no doubt that was going to happen, because I'll tell
Speaker 8: you why, the Bengals had all the cards. Why would
Speaker 8: the Bengals rushing to anything like that. It was going
Speaker 8: to happen, although there was some naysayers saying that it
Speaker 8: would never happen. I think those people, be immediate people
Speaker 8: and fans or people that call the station, they need
Speaker 8: to seriously, they need to step up and apologize and
Speaker 8: say to Mike Brown, all call up on Lance mccallon's show, whatever.
Speaker 7: It may be, say you know what we were wrong.
Speaker 8: I give credit to Mike Brown and the Cinnati Bengals,
Speaker 8: the organization.
Speaker 5: They did the right thing. They signed these guys.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you said you knew right away. I
Speaker 2: would rather on any news story, whether it's superstar athletes
Speaker 2: or important news stuff that's really important, you know, I
Speaker 2: would rather get it right than get it first. So
Speaker 2: there's this.
Speaker 8: You know, I knew I didn't go public with it.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't go even on social media with it. But
Speaker 8: I keeople remembering those wise words of Phil Castellini to president.
Speaker 5: So the Society writes three years ago, he said, where
Speaker 5: a you're gonna go? Where you're gonna go? Where was
Speaker 5: Higgins and.
Speaker 8: Chase going to go? Chase is still signed for this year.
Speaker 8: They're not going to go anywhere. They wanted to be here.
Speaker 8: They basically said they'd be here, and Duke Tobin said
Speaker 8: they were going to sign these guys to long term deals.
Speaker 8: Bengals had the money, you know, and there were people
Speaker 8: calling up saying that Thingals achieved.
Speaker 5: They have the money, They're not going to do it.
Speaker 7: They got the money.
Speaker 8: I mean, this is the National Football League. I mean,
Speaker 8: come on, really, there is a multi billion dollar business.
Speaker 8: They have the money, they got it done, and where
Speaker 8: were they going to go? Bengals have all the cards
Speaker 8: and they played it right and that's what they did.
Speaker 8: And they probably could have signed Troy Hendrickson too.
Speaker 2: But you know how how all these organization news organizations
Speaker 2: and sports talk organizations and even as social media, they're
Speaker 2: always trying to get the scoop, trying to get it first,
Speaker 2: and many times they get it horribly wrong because they're
Speaker 2: rushing to judgment on anonymous sources and things they really
Speaker 2: don't know whe're going to happen. You though, you said
Speaker 2: you knew all along, Chase and Higgins, we're going to
Speaker 2: be signed up. I didn't go to.
Speaker 7: Public with it.
Speaker 8: I mean, I even have a radio show on the
Speaker 8: weekends on Fox Sports Radio, and Ashley I said, I
Speaker 8: think they go. It wasn't a done deal. I would
Speaker 8: never say that because I wasn't sure. I didn't check
Speaker 8: any facts. I didn't call anybody. You know, it's not
Speaker 8: my job. I'm not a reporter, you know, I'm sort
Speaker 8: of like a columnist on the radio.
Speaker 5: I have an opinion.
Speaker 7: That's what I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes you've got some really, really weird and
Speaker 2: wild opinions, which is why I like having you on.
Speaker 8: You know, and I do, and this is March madness
Speaker 8: in my opinions are coming up fairly strong right now
Speaker 8: because I'm thinking about the University of Cincinnati basketball program
Speaker 8: and I feel it hurts me where they've been and
Speaker 8: basically where they are right now. And if you look
Speaker 8: at the basketball carousel of coaches that have been let
Speaker 8: go Villanova today, let Kyle Neptune Gon after three years
Speaker 8: he made the n i T. Once University of Minnesota
Speaker 8: fire their basketball coach Ben Johnson last Thursday.
Speaker 5: This guy was.
Speaker 8: There what for four years with one trip to the
Speaker 8: NIT and only one winning season, and the University of
Speaker 8: Cincinnati Wes Miller four years, no postseason, with no nc
Speaker 8: the LA onto n T last year. And I think
Speaker 8: the saving grace is not so much that he's liked
Speaker 8: by the athletic director. There's the athletic director's call, there's
Speaker 8: his pit. I think the saving grace is the agents.
Speaker 8: And what do I mean by that? These guys have
Speaker 8: such tremendous buyout clauses in that contracts. Schools like the
Speaker 8: University of Cincinnati don't have the wherewith all of the
Speaker 8: finances to pay.
Speaker 5: This guy off and let him go. Bus Why he
Speaker 5: was saved.
Speaker 2: I believe you're right about that. That's the only reason
Speaker 2: that Wes Miller is still at the University of Cincinnati
Speaker 2: heading up the basketball program, because you see, is not
Speaker 2: going to pay you know, double figure million dollar payoffs
Speaker 2: payouts just to get rid of him, and then you know,
Speaker 2: you incur the expense and it's going to take a
Speaker 2: lot of money to hire the next U see coach
Speaker 2: if they're worth their salt and can deliver results in
Speaker 2: the Big twelve. I don't think that you're going to
Speaker 2: find another I don't know, uh, stepping stone kind of
Speaker 2: coach if you want the program to be successful at
Speaker 2: that level. Now, let's look beyond Wes Miller, because whether
Speaker 2: it's you know, he's not going anywhere this year next season,
Speaker 2: that buyout is like cut in half. And I think
Speaker 2: you see would consider it if we have another bad
Speaker 2: bear cat year on the on the court right under him.
Speaker 2: But let's look at who the next one could be
Speaker 2: and who the next one, the next coach could come for.
Speaker 2: I mean, is you see is there status now? Is
Speaker 2: a Big twelve program a little bit higher echelon than
Speaker 2: being in the ACT or Conference USA, you know whatever
Speaker 2: these previous lesser conferences. Do you think you can attract
Speaker 2: the talented coach, not necessarily the one on the way up,
Speaker 2: but one that has an established record. You know what?
Speaker 7: You bring up an excellent point.
Speaker 8: I discussed this the other morning on Fox Sports Ready
Speaker 8: with my partner Bucket Brooks and here's the situation years ago.
Speaker 2: So I think.
Speaker 5: Coaches looked at the conference that they're.
Speaker 8: In, maybe how many games they're televised, because when you're
Speaker 8: on TV, so it's like a recruiting tool, and basically
Speaker 8: you know how much money you're going to get paid.
Speaker 8: I think nowadays, I think the first thing a coach
Speaker 8: looks at is his nil situation and the alums, how
Speaker 8: big their wallets are. I gotta believe that because you
Speaker 8: are nothing without people buying players for you.
Speaker 7: And I don't know what.
Speaker 8: The deal is at the University of Cincinnati how strong
Speaker 8: it is.
Speaker 5: And I will tell you this much.
Speaker 8: I think that you may be better served as a
Speaker 8: college coach going to a school like a Xavier or
Speaker 8: coaching a school like a Marquette that does not have
Speaker 8: football because all the energies and moneys are funneled into
Speaker 8: basketball rather than football and basketball. Maybe I'm crazy, but
Speaker 8: Xavier's got it right.
Speaker 7: They really do.
Speaker 5: You don't need football.
Speaker 8: They're very successful in basketball because every alum there is
Speaker 8: for one thing or one thing only basketball.
Speaker 2: Well, but on the other hand, of football program brings
Speaker 2: in a lot of revenue in and of itself, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know it's maul male mole, as we like to say.
Speaker 2: But you know the thing too about what you were
Speaker 2: you're bringing up about Xavier and Marquette and teams that
Speaker 2: can solely focus on basketball. I don't know if it's
Speaker 2: if it's not an I don't know if it's not
Speaker 2: a concerted effort all the way around. It's you come
Speaker 2: down to not how many teams that you're putting out there,
Speaker 2: but you come down to the athletic department, that president
Speaker 2: of the athletic school there at UC. And I think
Speaker 2: that that's always one of those situations that have to
Speaker 2: be looked at. You know, who's who's the head guy,
Speaker 2: who's the athletic director, Who's the one hiring the Wes
Speaker 2: Millers of the world. And I don't think that has
Speaker 2: anything to do with the fact that you see as
Speaker 2: a football program.
Speaker 7: Do you Well, I will tell you this much.
Speaker 8: Wes Miller right now based was one two for the
Speaker 8: North Carolina job. How do I know that Because Bucky Brooks,
Speaker 8: who my partner is, he played football in the NFL
Speaker 8: for five years, but he played football at the University
Speaker 8: of North Carolina. He's very, very close to the program.
Speaker 8: He told me that many alums wanted Wes Millers the coach.
Speaker 8: He didn't get it, you know, but right now with
Speaker 8: their coach, luckily they made the NCAA in the play
Speaker 8: in North Carolina. There's a good chance that if Wes
Speaker 8: Miller has let go, he could very well be the
Speaker 8: next coach at the University of North Carolina. He's very
Speaker 8: well respected there. And I think that you talked about
Speaker 8: an alumni base that is hungry for basketball, hungry for
Speaker 8: a winner, a great tradition. I think they got the
Speaker 8: money for Nil. Now all of a sudden, he could
Speaker 8: turn it around the next thing.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 8: Wes Miller's does say he's a great coach. Well, he's
Speaker 8: a great coach because he got that financial support. That's
Speaker 8: what you need, you know. A Villanovo Jay Wright did
Speaker 8: great things and he left, and he left. There was
Speaker 8: no coincidence he left when Nil came into vogue. Why
Speaker 8: he said, an old school kind of guy and he
Speaker 8: didn't want to get involved going out there, going and
Speaker 8: begging and paying players. So they're bringing Kyle Neptune, who
Speaker 8: I know. Kyle Neptune played for Villanova, but he's a
Speaker 8: Brooklyn guy played for Brooklyn Prepp and even Brooklyn, New York.
Speaker 8: He's there for three years and they let him go.
Speaker 8: This the other day and right now there's some talk,
Speaker 8: believe it or not, that Mit Cronin's on the short
Speaker 8: list to get the coaching job at Villanova. Less of
Speaker 8: a pressure cooker, I would think than UCLA for more
Speaker 8: than that. You're not going to compete with anybody. Who
Speaker 8: does Villanova really compete with in the Big five schools? LaSalle,
Speaker 8: They're terrible, Temple is no good anymore.
Speaker 5: So it's just.
Speaker 8: Villanova, and I think the people who work at Villanova
Speaker 8: really want to see that program go back to where
Speaker 8: it was was.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about another coach that has proven time and
Speaker 2: time again, school after school after school that he has,
Speaker 2: if not the best college coach of his era, certainly
Speaker 2: one of the top three. Rick Patino and the job
Speaker 2: he has done at Saint John's. You go from Providence,
Speaker 2: where you win like like nobody expected. You go to Kentucky.
Speaker 2: He's won everywhere but at the pro level and even
Speaker 2: had some success.
Speaker 5: So he won the here's some success with the Knicks,
Speaker 5: with the.
Speaker 2: New York Knicks. Yeah, so is he not the best
Speaker 2: college coach today? Is it Tom Izzo? Is it Rick Patino?
Speaker 2: Who's your short list?
Speaker 8: I would say that tom Izzo maybe the most consistent
Speaker 8: because he did it in one place for so many years.
Speaker 8: But I think that when you took of it old time,
Speaker 8: he may be the old time. And again, like people
Speaker 8: judge success even like going to the Hall of Fame
Speaker 8: with rings and championships, and yes, it's tough to win
Speaker 8: a championship. I'm just saying what he has done was
Speaker 8: he accomplished. And you talk about all the schools that
Speaker 8: he took to the NC Double A. I think his
Speaker 8: biggest success story was two years ago when he took
Speaker 8: Iona College NCY Double A. I mean, really, they just
Speaker 8: fired the coach yesterday at Iona. I mean that's what
Speaker 8: he does. When you follow, and I call them a legend,
Speaker 8: when you follow a legend, and that's what basically Kyle
Speaker 8: left Tune did it. J Jay Wright of Villanova, You
Speaker 8: file it's expected. You know, people are spoiled, they're expecting winners.
Speaker 8: That happened, and you see, you know with Bob Huggins,
Speaker 8: you know mid Crona to some extent, I mean you
Speaker 8: follow these guys, they create what they call. I guess
Speaker 8: the mode, the method, the brand, you know, just the
Speaker 8: way it is a culture, that's what it is. And
Speaker 8: if you don't stay at that level, you're gone to
Speaker 8: These coaches are it's thinnit. They make good money, but
Speaker 8: they earn that money.
Speaker 7: They really do well.
Speaker 2: We will see how the Xavier Musketeers fare and their
Speaker 2: play in game. It will be on here tomorrow night
Speaker 2: at this time in that very.
Speaker 8: First amount of money that I heard, like something like
Speaker 8: eighty five to two.
Speaker 5: Hundred and fifty bucks a ticket. Did you hear that?
Speaker 5: It's done?
Speaker 4: Real?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 7: I can't believe it.
Speaker 2: It's part of the NCAA tournament. Whether we like the
Speaker 2: play in game or not. I've never been particularly a
Speaker 2: fan of it. I like the sixty four field and
Speaker 2: thought it should have stayed stayed at that point. You know,
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about your friend Buck, your
Speaker 2: partner on your Sunday, But I.
Speaker 7: Want to sell you why why I hate the tournament? Okay,
Speaker 7: you want to know why?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 8: Because I can't find where true TV is. I hate
Speaker 8: this time of year. They got these freaking games on
Speaker 8: channels I never watched.
Speaker 7: I never heard of.
Speaker 5: It's going to take me a half a day to
Speaker 5: find True TV.
Speaker 7: That's all. Let's tell you know, all.
Speaker 5: Right, do you ever watch True TV?
Speaker 2: And iball, I know exactly where it is on the
Speaker 2: spectrum plan, so I.
Speaker 7: Think it's channel forty one.
Speaker 2: That's correct, that's correct one right spectrum. So so your
Speaker 2: problems are over. Now, what I was going to ask
Speaker 2: you about your friend Buck played football at North Carolina
Speaker 2: before he played in the NFL, and you were talking
Speaker 2: about how Wes Miller was like a one or two
Speaker 2: choice for the head coaching job last time around, and
Speaker 2: he what does Bucks say about Bill Belichick and Michael
Speaker 2: Lombardi being in charge of North Carolina football?
Speaker 8: He loves it. I mean, he just he puts North
Speaker 8: Carolina on them out. But he was shocked because, you know,
Speaker 8: the previous.
Speaker 7: Coach was as old or older than.
Speaker 8: Bill Belichick, and everybody said they need to go younger
Speaker 8: to relate to these players with the nil but you know,
Speaker 8: and there was he said there was a tougal war
Speaker 8: because the athletics a rat didn't want Belichick, but the
Speaker 8: alums did. And the alums went out and basically the
Speaker 8: alums have the wallet and the pocketbook and the money
Speaker 8: and the cash and they speak, and you know, money talks,
Speaker 8: So they wanted Belichick.
Speaker 5: It's going to be really interesting to see.
Speaker 8: You know, if he could take his mode of coaching
Speaker 8: from the NFL to the college level. I think the
Speaker 8: game is the same basically, but can you relate to
Speaker 8: those players? But if he can't do it, his girlfriend can.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Bill Belichick's girlfriend instantly makes him younger. Andy,
Speaker 2: just no doubt. You know, you plug into that fountain
Speaker 2: of youths and I'm telling you what it makes the
Speaker 2: world of difference. Not that I would know.
Speaker 7: Well, that's what I did.
Speaker 5: And when I married, I married in the cradle, you know.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean my wife is a little bit more
Speaker 2: than eight years younger than me, so I guess she.
Speaker 5: She with you.
Speaker 2: When people call me a cradle robber, she says, no,
Speaker 2: I'm the grave robber, which.
Speaker 5: Is oh my goodness, I know, wow wow.
Speaker 2: As long as she's looking over me, I guess I'm okay.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 8: No, I know your wife was tremendous doing the picks
Speaker 8: during the football season on Sundays.
Speaker 5: You know she did those pictures. Does she have any
Speaker 5: outside information?
Speaker 8: Well, basically inside information what she thinks with the NCAA
Speaker 8: basketball She hates basketball.
Speaker 2: The only the only time it's on in our house
Speaker 2: is either when she's taking a nap or I get
Speaker 2: special dispensation from her. Okay, you can turn it on
Speaker 2: for a little while, but we're not watching it all day.
Speaker 7: She's got a quick question for you. I know we're
Speaker 7: running out of time, surely, but if you went to.
Speaker 8: Pick the five biggest sports days of the year, I'm
Speaker 8: going to run of these by you and tell you mine, Okay,
Speaker 8: because it was like this past Sunday selection. Sunday is
Speaker 8: one of the biggest ones of the year, and the
Speaker 8: Monday Night NT double A basketball final, New Year's Eve,
Speaker 8: the NT double A football final.
Speaker 7: Those are three, the.
Speaker 8: NFL Draft and maybe Opening Day for the NFL. To me,
Speaker 8: those are the five biggest sports days of the year.
Speaker 8: Baseball is not even one of them, not even maybe
Speaker 8: in Cincinnati Opening Day. Other than that, nationally the five
Speaker 8: biggest sports days of the.
Speaker 2: Year, it's the Super Bowls number one, and everything else
Speaker 2: pales in comparison.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't even think I put the super
Speaker 5: Bowl in there.
Speaker 8: I should have put the super Bowl in the year,
Speaker 8: not in an opening the NFL, not just not.
Speaker 2: The stupid halftime show either, just the game. I just
Speaker 2: want to watch the game, Andy, I don't need all
Speaker 2: the puna.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 8: I don't know why they waste so much time, energy
Speaker 8: and money trying to get a guess for the halftime show,
Speaker 8: no matter who it may be, because people want to
Speaker 8: just walk around and stretch a little bit, maybe get
Speaker 8: a drink or go to the toilet. Forget about halftime shows.
Speaker 8: And if players hate it, I'll tell you why, only
Speaker 8: because it's so much longer. It's a real long half time.
Speaker 8: The only time players that have told me they've taken
Speaker 8: showers and changed their uniform at halftime.
Speaker 2: The only way I'm going to be excited about a
Speaker 2: super Bowl halftime show is when you're the guest, Dandy,
Speaker 2: and you've been mine and you've been lovely, Thank.
Speaker 5: You so much, and a little stand up at halftime.
Speaker 2: Well not for too long, then your back will get out,
Speaker 2: all right, Thank you, Furman, thank you, Take care, God blessed.
Speaker 2: I appreciate see you sports for the out of sorts.
Speaker 2: How about the wild Man, the sports Commando, the original
Speaker 2: billboard sitter and now our our pontificator and sooth and
Speaker 2: seeker of sports wisdom. Wild Man, Walker, wild Man, what's
Speaker 2: going on? And the words of Johnny Carson in a
Speaker 2: solid bim, the great Kardak returns. So what have we got?
Speaker 4: What are you? Weller?
Speaker 2: What things?
Speaker 10: But a lot of things pergolating, but one of it
Speaker 10: has has my dander up? Are the Cincinnati Reds are
Speaker 10: going to have as entertainment this year? One snoop dog
Speaker 10: come to a great American ballpark. Now, let me tell
Speaker 10: you something about this guy. He's a cop hater. Okay,
Speaker 10: he's got a rap sheet a mile long. Okay, he's
Speaker 10: brained dead from smoking pot. And this is family entertainment.
Speaker 10: Bring a snoop dog to the ballpark. And here's something else, Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 10: are they going to turn a deaf ear to all
Speaker 10: the pots smoking going down at the ballpark when it's
Speaker 10: illegal to smoke in the ballpark that day?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is just idiotic.
Speaker 10: Who's signed off on that, the thinking that this was
Speaker 10: a smart idea?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, wild Man, I will tell you, as
Speaker 2: a former marijuana smoker, I don't anymore, because why I
Speaker 2: like being present in my life and not being clouded
Speaker 2: over by just some funk that misdirects my attention to
Speaker 2: the right places. Uh So, I have noticed ever since
Speaker 2: they legalized recreational weed. Anytime I'm in Cincinnati or Ohio,
Speaker 2: which is rare, thankfully, the pervasive smell of pot smoke
Speaker 2: everywhere just about knock you down. And I can't stand it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: I understand I heard that. I've heard that from a
Speaker 2: lot of people. But to be in the ballpark. Number one,
Speaker 2: you can't smoke cigarettes or cigars. Why would you be
Speaker 2: able to Why would you think you'd be able to
Speaker 2: smoke pots? Simply because Snoop Dogg is performing at GABP.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that's gonna happen? I think a
Speaker 2: lot of I think a lot of people. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people are gonna get thrown out if
Speaker 2: they if they do that, and they should.
Speaker 10: If the police an'll turn it, that bear to it.
Speaker 10: Who knows, who knows what's going on down there? And
Speaker 10: of course the media in this town hasn't hasn't pushed
Speaker 10: the button on anybody there at city Hall about the
Speaker 10: situation coming up? Are you going to force the law
Speaker 10: or are you gonna look the other way? Because it's
Speaker 10: Snoop Dogg, who again, who again is a cop hater.
Speaker 4: He's a cop hater. He's got to rap.
Speaker 10: Sheet a mile long. I couldn't I couldn't tell you
Speaker 10: what songs he did know because I don't listen to
Speaker 10: that crap.
Speaker 4: But he's really it's not. Nobody cares about him anymore.
Speaker 7: Okay.
Speaker 10: And then, and like I said, he's got to rap
Speaker 10: sheet a mile long. And Gary, Jeff, did you did
Speaker 10: you see him?
Speaker 2: He's become a wild man. You're forgetting something. He has
Speaker 2: become in many circles of media darling over the last
Speaker 2: few years. And you know what it really it really
Speaker 2: started with his uh, with his participation in the Olympics
Speaker 2: coverage in these last summer Olympics, Snoop was he does.
Speaker 4: Nothing for me. And I think it's a stupid decision
Speaker 4: by the Reds.
Speaker 10: I think it's a stupid decision. They had to rethink
Speaker 10: it and just bag it. Because again that pot smoking.
Speaker 10: I just want to know, are they going to enforce
Speaker 10: the law? And I like smoking pot now and then
Speaker 10: it's been a while, but are they going to force
Speaker 10: the law because you can't smoke cigarettes there, you can't
Speaker 10: smoke cigars there.
Speaker 4: You can't vait there. Are they going to enforce the law?
Speaker 2: I'm sure they will. I mean, I don't know any
Speaker 2: reason why they would not. It is the law after all.
Speaker 2: And if you're so worried about Snoop being a police hater,
Speaker 2: why do you think the police would turn a blind
Speaker 2: eye if he inspired or incited some kind of lawbreaking
Speaker 2: while he's performing at GABP.
Speaker 10: I don't think there's as the police hater, because I
Speaker 10: heard him saying, I've a few years ago a crowd
Speaker 10: that law riled up af the police after the police
Speaker 10: come on, join with me, up the police, up the police.
Speaker 7: I heard it.
Speaker 2: I think there's been way too much of that in
Speaker 2: our society over the last five to ten years, you know,
Speaker 2: going back to like Ferguson and the Michael Brown thing,
Speaker 2: the hands up, don't shoot lie that they told and
Speaker 2: convinced people that the police murdered this young, large sized
Speaker 2: black man just for being black, when in fact he
Speaker 2: was attacking and trying to get the officer's gun away.
Speaker 2: And the George Floyd thing. We had three times as
Speaker 2: much fentanyl in his system as a lethal dose and
Speaker 2: wound up not being able to breathe, and it was
Speaker 2: proven that it wasn't because of the chokehold that Derek
Speaker 2: Shauvin had on this guy who was another rap sheet,
Speaker 2: a mile long kind of person. Timothy Thomas and Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: You know, the seventeen year old with as many warrants
Speaker 2: his years under his belt and he's running away from
Speaker 2: the cops and it looks like he's pulling out something
Speaker 2: from his waistband. It wasn't a gun, but you know
Speaker 2: that caused all the riots and everything, and they had
Speaker 2: anti cop sentiment that you're talking about. I am so
Speaker 2: glad that we still have dedicated police officers. We don't
Speaker 2: have as many as we need on the streets. And
Speaker 2: part of that, I don't know who.
Speaker 10: We'd want to be a Cincinnati police officer to put
Speaker 10: up with the crap they got to put.
Speaker 4: Up with today.
Speaker 2: You know, I agree, And.
Speaker 10: Those guys, those guys, those guys deserve to be paid
Speaker 10: twice what they're getting.
Speaker 2: Any public figure that is going around saying f the police,
Speaker 2: you're right, doesn't need to be honored or highlighted or celebrated.
Speaker 2: But I'm just telling you.
Speaker 10: And the reds are highlighting this guy. That's all I'm saying,
Speaker 10: that's all I'm saying. I think it's a stupid move.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you it's going to be a wildly successful
Speaker 2: night at GABP because now it's not good.
Speaker 10: So I'm gonna go to church every day that week
Speaker 10: and pray that it rains cats of dogs and molasses.
Speaker 2: And molasses too. Yeah, the cats and dogs are one thing,
Speaker 2: But are you gonna throw that that sticky stuff in there?
Speaker 2: Then nobody will be able to get around to anything
Speaker 2: that week.
Speaker 10: All right, all right, let's let's move on to the
Speaker 10: NCAA tournament. Well, LA fourteen fourteen SEC tournaments. Teams are
Speaker 10: in the tournament.
Speaker 2: That's a record.
Speaker 10: Of course, I can't. I can't tell you exactly my
Speaker 10: final four because I couldn't. I can't print out something
Speaker 10: on my phone. I don't have the capability. But I'll
Speaker 10: give you the two the two teams to play with
Speaker 10: the title, Duke and Michigan State, and Duke to win
Speaker 10: the national title.
Speaker 4: Duke to win the national title.
Speaker 10: And also, well, when we're talking about this, Rick Pattino,
Speaker 10: he becomes the first head coach, all right, to lead
Speaker 10: six different schools to the nc Double A Tournament and Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 10: I don't know if you remember this or not. Back
Speaker 10: in twenty twenty one, when when you see got rid
Speaker 10: of John Brannon, I was the first to say Bearcat
Speaker 10: should hire Rick Patino, They should hire Rick Patino right
Speaker 10: now because he had not signed yet with Iona.
Speaker 4: Of course, you see, has no vision, They have no guts.
Speaker 4: That would have been the greatest thing for that for
Speaker 4: that school.
Speaker 2: Could they have afforded Could they have afforded Could they
Speaker 2: have afforded Rick Patino?
Speaker 4: Oh, they could afford it. They could afford it. Now,
Speaker 4: don't get me.
Speaker 2: They could afford it.
Speaker 10: What I'm what I ownA wasn't paying him that much.
Speaker 10: There's no way Iona was paying him anything.
Speaker 4: And they had the chance. And this goes back to
Speaker 4: the same thing.
Speaker 2: With the Bengals.
Speaker 4: When the when the Red when the Reds.
Speaker 10: Could have hired Terry Francona, they had Terry Francona out
Speaker 10: there waiting in the wings when they decided to go
Speaker 10: with Dustin Baker and I didn't win nothing.
Speaker 4: They could have hired Terry frank Combe.
Speaker 10: This town has no vision when it comes to in
Speaker 10: the sports business. I don't know what what it is
Speaker 10: that they always like they're afraid of all either gonna
Speaker 10: offend somebody or you know, like Trevor Bauer. Okay, Trevor Bauer.
Speaker 10: I can't believe that guy hasn't got a job.
Speaker 4: You're gonna tell me that.
Speaker 10: He couldn't help some of these teams, and we know
Speaker 10: he's blackballed, but still you can't tell me that Trevor
Speaker 10: Bauer couldn't help couldn't help some of.
Speaker 2: These kings in the case. In the case of Trevor Bauer,
Speaker 2: it turns out that many of these allegations simply weren't
Speaker 2: what they were billed to be, and he wasn't really
Speaker 2: guilty of any crime at all. But he got black
Speaker 2: balled by the me too movement or the I call
Speaker 2: it the uh the pounds the commissioner.
Speaker 4: He came out ripped on the commissioner.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I forgot, I forgot, I forgot the name here
Speaker 10: for you. The Bearcats had a chance to hire one
Speaker 10: Dion Sanders, who was out there. Can you imagine the
Speaker 10: the children the football program and they able to brought
Speaker 10: key on Sanders here, but no, they looked looked the
Speaker 10: other way. We probably can't bring it in here. It'd
Speaker 10: be too controversial.
Speaker 4: Let's a trouble with this town.
Speaker 10: They're always worried about controversy instead of learning about winning
Speaker 10: or seeking outside the box. The Reds have thought outside
Speaker 10: the box for years. Well, thought outside the box for years.
Speaker 2: They finally got I finally got Terry Francona though as
Speaker 2: the manager, so maybe.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it only took him. How many years?
Speaker 2: She only took him? How many years? All right, wild Man,
Speaker 2: hang on, let's do Let's do another segment and we'll
Speaker 2: get final thoughts on Bengals signings that have happened now, Yes,
Speaker 2: from we'll get to that from the wild next on
Speaker 2: the nightcap on SEVENLW about how people are so fired
Speaker 2: up about or some people are really really thinking that
Speaker 2: Cincinnati needs to build that new arena to replace the
Speaker 2: one downtown and the one downtown on the river. I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: whatever it's called is really not suitable for NCAA tournament
Speaker 2: action or anything else other than minor league hockey and
Speaker 2: the occasional circus. But you were talking about how some
Speaker 2: people think that if you build this new arena, then
Speaker 2: we'll have an NBA franchise in Cincinnati again. And you
Speaker 2: were just detailing how many cities have been the NBA
Speaker 2: has left, and how many they had gone back to
Speaker 2: I think the answer is zero. Is that correct? That's correct?
Speaker 10: And the Royal's left here in the seventy two thanks
Speaker 10: to Joe Addlson and Bob Coosey who ruined a franchise.
Speaker 10: We'll never get an NBA team here.
Speaker 4: Number one.
Speaker 10: It would be it would be an expansion team and
Speaker 10: we've in the basement and the fans would get all
Speaker 10: mad because they couldn't win for the next twenty years.
Speaker 10: I may look at the Pacers. I mean they've been
Speaker 10: around forever. They haven't won anything. They've been the finals,
Speaker 10: They've been to the finals once because of Larry Bird.
Speaker 10: They're not going to get an NBA franchise. Ant how
Speaker 10: much tickets would cost Gary?
Speaker 4: You have you have any idea how much tickets would cost?
Speaker 4: You go to an NBA NBA game here and Cincinna.
Speaker 10: It's not going to happen. You've got three good college
Speaker 10: programs in town. It's never ever happened. I mean, you
Speaker 10: want to build the arena, Hey have at it with
Speaker 10: your own money, not with one dime for me, Pow,
Speaker 10: not with one dime for me.
Speaker 4: And because I live in Hamlet County. Yeah, you've given
Speaker 4: them one dime. If it's one damn dime.
Speaker 2: If it's such a good business idea, then come up
Speaker 2: with the money yourself and don't expect any public funds.
Speaker 2: I agree, absolutely, Well, the problem is with with the
Speaker 2: new any new construction like that, you've got to develop
Speaker 2: the infrastructure around it, roads and the like, crosswalks, sidewalks,
Speaker 2: all of that, and the city would have to pay
Speaker 2: for some of that if they decided.
Speaker 10: Well, and I agree that, you know, I think that
Speaker 10: if they're going to ever they're going to do it,
Speaker 10: you tear down the building, the cyclones go away for
Speaker 10: a year, or go try to play somewhere else where.
Speaker 4: I don't know where where they would play.
Speaker 10: And just you know, build it down on the river,
Speaker 10: because I think that's where it should be, down on
Speaker 10: the river, not out in the west Ent or something
Speaker 10: like that. But I'll believe it when I see it
Speaker 10: will probably be all dead and gone and we really
Speaker 10: won't matter.
Speaker 4: Now let's get onto the Bengals.
Speaker 2: Let let's get on and the signings this week that
Speaker 2: we're expected by.
Speaker 10: I love the signings. I love the signings of T.
Speaker 10: Higgins and Jamar Chase. They got what they wanted. The
Speaker 10: Bengals here. You know Joe Burrow, and I know I've
Speaker 10: heard people say that Joe Burrow held them hostage or
Speaker 10: Joe Burrow. Joe Burrow wants to win, okay, and then
Speaker 10: the Bengals want to win.
Speaker 4: And they thought this out.
Speaker 10: We may have to score forty points every game, okay
Speaker 10: because of the defense. But now the Bengals can focus
Speaker 10: on fix and the defense because we've got an off
Speaker 10: The Bengals got an offense, got to maybe tinker with
Speaker 10: the offensive line. But I'm I'm so happy that they
Speaker 10: got these two guys under contract, and I knew they
Speaker 10: were going to do it. Of course, there's the critics
Speaker 10: of Bengal fans. They wouldn't be happy we won the
Speaker 10: Super One by forty eight to nothing. We find fault
Speaker 10: in at some of those people, but you know what,
Speaker 10: I'm so glad that the Begals got this done. Now
Speaker 10: we can focus on maybe getting another lignement up front
Speaker 10: to protect Joe and also work on the defense. I
Speaker 10: think it's a great, great, great, great, great move for
Speaker 10: the city, great move for the city.
Speaker 2: Do you think that the injuries, uh specifically to t
Speaker 2: Higgins last year were tied to the fact that the
Speaker 2: contract was unsettled. Do you think that that might have been?
Speaker 10: That might have been and then he only got you know,
Speaker 10: he only got two years guaranteed two years guaranteed money.
Speaker 10: But you know that that goes on with behind closed doors.
Speaker 4: And I don't really care about that, And.
Speaker 10: Most fans don't understand the nuts and bolts of negotiations
Speaker 10: and the salary cap and why they've got them signed. Gary, Jeff,
Speaker 10: Let's move on. They're signing their ear not going anywhere.
Speaker 10: We got just Secy as a tight end. We got
Speaker 10: another tight end we signed up. We got a good
Speaker 10: running game. We may score forty points a game. We
Speaker 10: may have the best offense and the natal Football league,
Speaker 10: but we got to fix the defense. Fix the defense.
Speaker 2: Let's look elsewhere in the NFL real quickly with the
Speaker 2: signings that have happened here during the offseason. Wild Man,
Speaker 2: do you think Josh Allen is worth two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars guaranteed for the Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 10: Oh, I don't know if you can say anybody's worth
Speaker 10: that kind of money, But if they're going to offer
Speaker 10: it to you, are you gonna turn it down? Does
Speaker 10: any movie star? Is any movie star worth fifty million
Speaker 10: dollars of film? I mean, come on, I mean, if
Speaker 10: they're gonna pay it, you take it. And they love
Speaker 10: Josh Allen and Buffalo I love. They've got problems there too,
Speaker 10: and they're not Have they ever won a Super Bowl?
Speaker 4: No, they're four.
Speaker 10: Times lost, But they they love Josh Allen. They got
Speaker 10: a good offense, they got the money to pay it.
Speaker 10: So you sign up, sign and you keep Josh Allen around.
Speaker 2: What about Aaron Rodgers with the Steelers wild Man.
Speaker 10: Well, that is really yeah, that was a big time
Speaker 10: Right now he's in the limbo. He may go to Minnesota.
Speaker 10: Who knows where he's gonna go. He's gonna play somewhere.
Speaker 10: He's gonna play some more. Well, and that's gonna be
Speaker 10: a shame. I know, I know, because this is a
Speaker 10: guy who just doesn't realize that his career was over
Speaker 10: about three years ago, and he needs to.
Speaker 2: You've got an.
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers, don't you. Even though he threw for almost three.
Speaker 10: Thousand yards with a lousy with with a lousy football team,
Speaker 10: You've got an end for him for some reason. I
Speaker 10: mean he's only a four time MVP, but you did
Speaker 10: he did he like turn you down for an autograph
Speaker 10: or something all the way.
Speaker 2: No, listen, this this happens way too often with great
Speaker 2: players who've already established themselves as Hall of Famers and
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champs and the like. You just can't.
Speaker 4: They don't know. They don't know when to colchy, when
Speaker 4: to quit.
Speaker 2: And that's all I've got against Aaron Rodgers. The guy
Speaker 2: needs to.
Speaker 6: Not you.
Speaker 10: He'll decide when he does not want to, but he
Speaker 10: feels he can still play. Gu Yet I just told
Speaker 10: you you'll have a through for three thousand yards.
Speaker 2: I think with the lousy New York Yets, the defensive
Speaker 2: pass rushers and uh and the ends, the defensive ends
Speaker 2: will decide for Aaron Rodgers, and it will happen very
Speaker 2: very quickly. Believe me, it's not meided.
Speaker 10: Oh God, before I let you go, I've got to
Speaker 10: give this shout out here? Can I do this personal
Speaker 10: shout out? You're really gonna like this? I want to
Speaker 10: think A grets the ud Football Flyers freshman Paul Kelly
Speaker 10: for making All American as a punt returner. Now Paul
Speaker 10: Kelly is the grandson of a great UC athlete. His
Speaker 10: name is on the Ring of Honor at Nippert Stadium,
Speaker 10: Jim Kelly Senior. And he's the nephew of current you
Speaker 10: see football analyst Jim Kelly Junior. Now, this kid obviously
Speaker 10: has some great athletic bloodlines pedigree. But congrats to UD
Speaker 10: football Flyers freshman Paul Kelly from making All American as
Speaker 10: a punt returner. Maybe the UC Bearcats should look at
Speaker 10: him and possibly bring him down here and have him
Speaker 10: blame for UC.
Speaker 2: Well, that would be symmetry, that would be full circle.
Speaker 2: I'd love it. That's a good idea. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: all right, wild man, gear up. We've got at least
Speaker 2: one more week of Nightcaps coming and then the Reds
Speaker 2: usurpa all summer long, pretty much. So I look forward
Speaker 2: to our conversation next week and day.
Speaker 10: Yeah that we should have a firm hand on how
Speaker 10: the Reds are shaping up.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll just be three days out from opening day
Speaker 2: on next Monday or Tuesday night, so yeah, absolutely, all right,
Speaker 2: Wi amya Walker on the Nightcap. Thank you so much,
Speaker 2: my friend, and we will talk to you soon. Twenty
Speaker 2: five Here a jet as we head into the last hour.
Speaker 2: Our next guest is an anti feminist attorney, and that
Speaker 2: grabbed my ear right there. And I like that author
Speaker 2: and columnist who is the author of, among other things,
Speaker 2: the book Silent Suffering Poems of Pain and Purpose. And Leslie,
Speaker 2: I think we have spoken before, but it's good to
Speaker 2: have you back on the show for a few minutes
Speaker 2: tonight to talk about the poison auto pin of the
Speaker 2: Biden administration and it's legality. I know that the auto
Speaker 2: pin goes back as far as the Truman administration, and
Speaker 2: there was some law there was created during the Bush
Speaker 2: administration in two thousand and five which says the autopin
Speaker 2: essentially is a perfectly legal way to sign executive orders
Speaker 2: and the like in certain cases. But it's great to
Speaker 2: having the show.
Speaker 6: How are you doing well? Thanks so much for.
Speaker 2: Having me You bet so? Can President Trump legally void
Speaker 2: any of Joe Biden's pardons or any of the things
Speaker 2: he signed or didn't sign with an auto pen? What
Speaker 2: do we know about this from a legal standpoint?
Speaker 11: Sure so, from a legal standpoint, I kind of what
Speaker 11: you mentioned is more or less correct. That it is
Speaker 11: true that using the use of autopen states back quite
Speaker 11: a number of years now, there is a distinction. I
Speaker 11: think Alanders who has actually made this point, that there's
Speaker 11: a distinction between signing actual bills like legislation rather than
Speaker 11: other documents. But I think the bigger issue, frankly that's
Speaker 11: much more live here, is related to Biden's mental capacity
Speaker 11: at the time of signing some of these documents. So
Speaker 11: as his presidency continued for the four years, I don't
Speaker 11: think there's very many people who now would argue that
Speaker 11: he was the same mental capacity even in twenty twenty
Speaker 11: that he was in twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 11: or after he withdrew from running for the presidency again.
Speaker 11: So I think the real concern, bigger, broader concern, is
Speaker 11: did did Joe Biden his use of auto pen for example?
Speaker 11: Was that ever done without really his knowledge as to
Speaker 11: what he was signing? I believe was Mike Johnsons You
Speaker 11: mentioned there were some documents that was unclear that Biden
Speaker 11: remembered he had signed. The Attorney General for the state
Speaker 11: of Missouri is also concerned about this. You know, sign
Speaker 11: signing executive orders or other papers have legal effect without
Speaker 11: an awareness, you know, I mean, you have had the
Speaker 11: mental capacity to sign off on these things. And I
Speaker 11: think that's the deeper issue at play here. I don't
Speaker 11: think it'll be being brought up, you know, and it
Speaker 11: hasn't for you know, the decades that it's been in place.
Speaker 2: Well, I think with the Biden presidency, we saw an
Speaker 2: example of what America had seen previously with the Woodrow
Speaker 2: Wilson administration, where his wife, basically Edith, was in charge
Speaker 2: of the government. Edith was never elected because of his incapacitation,
Speaker 2: Wilson could not really be considered to be a cognizant
Speaker 2: or president president. And you're right twenty twenty, I mean,
Speaker 2: before the election, this this point was being made by
Speaker 2: Donald Trump and by people who knew that old Joe
Speaker 2: had rounded the corner already. The fact, the fact that
Speaker 2: he in fact leslie when Joe Biden when it was
Speaker 2: announced that he had been appointed president because I don't
Speaker 2: want to say elected, but anyway, when it was announced
Speaker 2: that he was going to be president, my bet was
Speaker 2: he wouldn't make it past twenty two or twenty three.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't think it would be dragged out
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty four when he finally dropped out of
Speaker 2: the race and became a persona non grata everywhere in
Speaker 2: the media and in the White House and in every
Speaker 2: other respect. They were still hiding him basically in the
Speaker 2: basement or in Delaware or in that Rehobas Beach. And
Speaker 2: the fact that there's no way that he had the
Speaker 2: mental faculties to know certain things that are nuanced and
Speaker 2: complicated that he was signing. I think that's although being
Speaker 2: the family guy, the head of the Biden crime family,
Speaker 2: he definitely wanted his relative's pardons, so he might have
Speaker 2: known he was signing.
Speaker 11: Those right, quite quite likely, And you know, I guess
Speaker 11: that's something that's gone on for quite quite a long
Speaker 11: time in his career. But again, it's very I think,
Speaker 11: very distressing, and it should really disturb the public that
Speaker 11: for a number of years it really is unclear to
Speaker 11: what degree the president had the literally the cognitive capacity
Speaker 11: to govern.
Speaker 5: That's very just should distress the public.
Speaker 11: And I think that that that's where that line of questioning,
Speaker 11: in my opinion, will go. Was the appoint in his
Speaker 11: presidency where he had declined so you know, so dramatically
Speaker 11: as to be incapable of faithfully executing the duties of
Speaker 11: the presidency and is there any way Obviously, when you
Speaker 11: get into more technical issues that are very difficult, you know,
Speaker 11: is there any way to prove this? These are the
Speaker 11: type of things that are very difficult to make a
Speaker 11: legal showing of, but are in the court of public
Speaker 11: opinion something that I think should absolutely be raised, not
Speaker 11: that they should be raised in a court of law,
Speaker 11: and I would suspect that that's likely at that is
Speaker 11: something that appears a Trump administration is pursuing. But you know,
Speaker 11: I think the court of public opinion is also somewhere
Speaker 11: that that Trump is waging. Is more that that's actually
Speaker 11: very important to the public be aware of. Frankly, the
Speaker 11: fact that Democratic Party, I mean really could not care
Speaker 11: less whether or not the individual representative party and was
Speaker 11: the president was actually capable in any way to perform
Speaker 11: a you know.
Speaker 2: What I think. Actually it's more to the point that
Speaker 2: they were they were welcoming someone who wasn't capable, so
Speaker 2: they could move him anywhere on the chessboard they wanted
Speaker 2: at any time, and he just got her altbing it is.
Speaker 2: It's extremely disturbing. Well, Leslie Corbly, we need to set
Speaker 2: up a date to talk some more, because I really
Speaker 2: enjoyed speaking with you for a few minutes tonight.
Speaker 5: Thanks so much.
Speaker 11: I'd love you anytime, all right, fantast Leslie krbly offer,
Speaker 11: author of Silent Suffering, and maybe we'll talk a little
Speaker 11: bit about the book next time, too fantastic thinks so much.
Speaker 2: Thank you. The nightcap continues with some tax advice and
Speaker 2: this guy says, pay zero taxes. Got my attention. Mark
Speaker 2: Kwan up next, So I'm eating this delicious?
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Speaker 2: any taxes. And on that topic, we have a financial expert,
Speaker 2: author of four books, including the latest, Be Smart, Pay
Speaker 2: Zero Taxes, Mark Kwan. Welcome to the show. How are you.
Speaker 2: I'm great, man.
Speaker 6: I'm sitting in Tennessee, beautiful day, enjoying the day and
Speaker 6: joying a couple of coffees.
Speaker 2: So I'm doing great man. Thanks for us. We're at
Speaker 2: in Tennessee because I live for years in the Nashville
Speaker 2: and Middle Tennessee area, and I love it.
Speaker 6: I left the state of California about a year a
Speaker 6: year ago or so and got out of that mess
Speaker 6: and moved to Knoxville, Tennessee. So absolutly love Knoxville. What
Speaker 6: a great place to live.
Speaker 2: Actually, well, yeah, you're you're there in the Smokies in
Speaker 2: the eastern part of the state. I always tell people,
Speaker 2: and we'll get to the topic. I swear. I always
Speaker 2: tell people that Tennessee is really three different states geographically
Speaker 2: and topography. You know, in the topography the West is
Speaker 2: all flat and bluffs. Middle Tennessee is rolling hills kind
Speaker 2: of like here in the Ohio River basin where I
Speaker 2: live now, and East Tennessee beautiful smoky mountains. The Appalachians
Speaker 2: are just gorgeous and you're right in the heart of them. Okay, so,
Speaker 2: how do you be smart and pay zero taxes? That's
Speaker 2: a loaded question, gives a lot of answers, but go.
Speaker 6: Ahead, Okay, good, Well, I guess maybe I'll tell you
Speaker 6: a lot about my background. Is I'm I was.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 6: I'm actually officially a high school and college dropout. Was
Speaker 6: I left Canada twenty five years ago. I was in
Speaker 6: business and finance school for business and financial advisor. I
Speaker 6: left Canada and I came to United States for the
Speaker 6: American dream with a penny in my pocket. Spent some
Speaker 6: time as a private investigator in Los Angeles, UH, and
Speaker 6: then got into finances heavily, and I was a financial
Speaker 6: advisor and investment advisor. I was training financial advisors like
Speaker 6: i'd be a guy talking on stage training financial advisors.
Speaker 6: And I was actually the financial advisor for a number
Speaker 6: of CPAs. So spent a lot of time in the industry.
Speaker 6: And it was coronavirus when I just a lot used
Speaker 6: to do a lot of seaking engagements, and during coronavirus
Speaker 6: they all got canceled. So I was sitting down and saying,
Speaker 6: what am I going to do now? So some friends said,
Speaker 6: you should start a financial education company. You're passionate about that.
Speaker 6: So I said, oh, that sounds good. So we started,
Speaker 6: and we started going down the rabbit hole of tax avoidance,
Speaker 6: but specifically something that any any ordinary American can do right,
Speaker 6: just because my family are brick layers and that's sort
Speaker 6: of like hard, hard working people. And yeah, we came
Speaker 6: across the strategies called it's the subtitle is used to buy, borrow,
Speaker 6: dye strategy to get rich and stay rich. And the
Speaker 6: very wealthy people they just buy assets. They never sell
Speaker 6: them or other than sell them which would trigger the taxes.
Speaker 6: They take loans from each asset to buy other assets.
Speaker 6: By taking loans, they don't have to work for the money.
Speaker 6: They just continue to do this buying and borrowing, and
Speaker 6: then when they die, they pass all those assets to
Speaker 6: their family with no taxes. So it's a way to
Speaker 6: circums the US tax system. It's not a new strategy
Speaker 6: spur around for decades. It just I've spent the last
Speaker 6: four years teaching this to ordinary Americans. We've caught it
Speaker 6: over for over five hundred different Americans, mostly ordinary Americans,
Speaker 6: and we've proven it weren't work. And you can actually
Speaker 6: start it with one hundred dollars in a brokerage account,
Speaker 6: So anybody can do it.
Speaker 2: Wow, one hundred bucks in a brokerage account and can
Speaker 2: be on your way. Now you're talking about to buy,
Speaker 2: borrow and die strategy that leads to not having to
Speaker 2: pay any taxes. Essentially, so you buy a property or
Speaker 2: you buy whatever, you buy an asset, and instead of
Speaker 2: selling that asset at a profit, which would trigger the taxes,
Speaker 2: you borrow against that and buy something else. And how
Speaker 2: long can you continue this? I guess as long as
Speaker 2: you've got a credit line somewhere, you can continue to
Speaker 2: do this, and of course you make your payments. But
Speaker 2: the interesting, the intriguing thing to me mark this strategy
Speaker 2: is that the estate taxes that are usually passed on
Speaker 2: to the heirs of someone who dies uh in many
Speaker 2: states kick in. And it I mean, it can be
Speaker 2: very very costly to have you know, your relative with
Speaker 2: all these assets pass on. But you're saying you're avoiding
Speaker 2: estate taxes as well. With this one hundred because you
Speaker 2: die with the assets are leveraged. Is that how or why?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, just general tax law. Some states do
Speaker 6: you do have taxes like you don't want to die
Speaker 6: in you know, certain states it's expensive. But currently under
Speaker 6: tax code, you can die with up to twenty six
Speaker 6: million dollars and not pay a diamond taxes both federal
Speaker 6: and state. Not in all states, but most of them
Speaker 6: you actually can. So it's a thirteen million per person.
Speaker 6: So you can die with twenty six million no taxes.
Speaker 6: All your real estate, business, stocks, ets, life insurance, cryptocurrency,
Speaker 6: all that can be passed to your family tax free
Speaker 6: due to a step up basis.
Speaker 2: Well, I would love to see the estate tax completely
Speaker 2: wiped out, whether we're following your strategy or not. I
Speaker 2: always found that the death tax, as I rightfully call it,
Speaker 2: I think, is one of the most egregious taxes that
Speaker 2: we face in this country. And hopefully when they either
Speaker 2: secure President Trump's tax bill, there's been talk about eliminating
Speaker 2: it completely. And I just think because all that money's
Speaker 2: been taxed the entire time the person has been alive,
Speaker 2: it's been you know, singularly, doubly and triplely taxed, and
Speaker 2: then it's taxed again when the person dies. It just
Speaker 2: seems like such a shame and such a sham your
Speaker 2: thoughts on that.
Speaker 6: Actually, that can be true. In some cases, it's not true.
Speaker 6: Let's say, for example, we both inherited ten million dollars
Speaker 6: because we had rich families. Right, I didn't inherit a
Speaker 6: dime like we were broke for four generations on both
Speaker 6: sides of my family, and not a penny. But let's say,
Speaker 6: why hypothetically you both inherited ten million dollars and I said, hey, here,
Speaker 6: I got a plan. Let's never work and never pay taxes.
Speaker 6: All right, if we put ten million, you got ten million.
Speaker 6: Let's just go buy ten stocks we use every day.
Speaker 6: We say, I use Google, I use Microsoft, I use Amazon,
Speaker 6: I used Exon, I need some oil, I need whatever.
Speaker 2: Ten stocks apple Phone.
Speaker 6: Just picked ten stocks use every day, and you put
Speaker 6: ten ten million dollars. Well, if that portfolio just makes
Speaker 6: ten percent rate of return, it'll double every seven years.
Speaker 6: So we just did nothing. Seven years later, we'd have
Speaker 6: twenty million seven years later, forty million seven years later,
Speaker 6: eighty million seven years later, one hundred and sixty million, dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 6: what if we just took it a margin loan for
Speaker 6: twenty thousand dollars a month, We just sent a took
Speaker 6: a low interest loan, sent it to our bank account,
Speaker 6: and lived off twenty thousand dollars a month. We'd never
Speaker 6: work and we'd never pay taxes.
Speaker 2: I could definitely do that. I mean, I got to
Speaker 2: start with I got to start with the ten million
Speaker 2: though first Mark, And I'm like, you know, no, there's
Speaker 2: no major inheritance waiting on me. I think my parents
Speaker 2: have estates in each of the brothers' names, which will
Speaker 2: all be subject to taxes if we wanted to use them,
Speaker 2: and any other way than reinvesting as you're talking about.
Speaker 2: So the key here basically is invest borrow against that
Speaker 2: investment with the low interest loans, live off that money,
Speaker 2: and just continue to accrue the assets until you die. Now,
Speaker 2: when you die again, because of the way you've positioned this,
Speaker 2: your heirs, the people who are going to inherit this,
Speaker 2: are not going to have to pay taxes on them.
Speaker 7: Correct.
Speaker 6: It's a stepped up basis. You can do it with stocks, ETFs,
Speaker 6: life insurance, cryptocurrency, or real estate, artwork, all those things
Speaker 6: got to stepped up basis. It's currently around approximately thirteen
Speaker 6: million per person. So you can pass twenty six million
Speaker 6: to your family if you're in as long as you're
Speaker 6: not in a state that has those those taxes. It's
Speaker 6: all federally in state attacks free hunt up to twenty
Speaker 6: six million.
Speaker 2: Well, you want to make sure the assets actually accrue
Speaker 2: well then and aren't losing money. I mean, like, for example,
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden's art work, who just dramatically dropped in value.
Speaker 2: Probably not a great investment for anyone.
Speaker 6: I'm just yeah, a Hunter had to sell the artwork
Speaker 6: because or because nobody would have lent him money against it,
Speaker 6: because no bank's going to fall for that sham, of course.
Speaker 6: But now the rich will actually do that. They'll actually
Speaker 6: take a brokerage account. Let's say they got a bunch
Speaker 6: of stocks, They'll take a low interest loan. They'll go
Speaker 6: buy the artwork. They'll throw the artwork on their wall,
Speaker 6: and then they'll actually take a loan from the artwork,
Speaker 6: and then they'll go buy some some bitcoin, and then
Speaker 6: they'll take a loan from the bitcoin, and they'll go
Speaker 6: buy real estate. I mean, that's what they're doing. It's
Speaker 6: a pretty simple strategy. Again, it's normally been something that
Speaker 6: billionaires use. We start people with one hundred dollars in
Speaker 6: a brokerage account. It's all in the book, all right.
Speaker 6: I've got a YouTube channel called the Perfect Portfolio. You
Speaker 6: can actually go look at my portfolios. You can learn
Speaker 6: the strategy and anyone can do it.
Speaker 2: Mark Kwan. A joy to talk to you, especially as
Speaker 2: we are closer and closer to tax time. Maybe nothing
Speaker 2: we can do about twenty twenty four, but let's work
Speaker 2: on twenty twenty five, right and beyond. Yeah, we can't.
Speaker 2: We don't.
Speaker 6: We don't have a magic one to do this, but
Speaker 6: I do. My books are very simple and easy to understand.
Speaker 6: I've spent years doing this all for of my books.
Speaker 6: This one's no different. It's big, it's a thick book,
Speaker 6: four hundred pages, but it's actually fun to read. We're
Speaker 6: getting reviews that it's simple, easy to understand, fun to read.
Speaker 6: We've got some good jokes in there, and we make
Speaker 6: it entertaining.
Speaker 2: Be smart, Pay zero taxes by Mark J. Kwan. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for your time, my friend.
Speaker 6: Awesome, alridy great, haven't you look forward talking again soon?
Speaker 2: Okay? Great? Mark Kwan good. I'm just trying to figure
Speaker 2: out where I'm going to get that first ten mil
Speaker 2: so I can start the ball rolling. But he says,
Speaker 2: all you need is one hundred bucks in a brokerage account.
Speaker 2: It's the nightcap And we continue in moments on seven hundred.
Speaker 2: WLW Biller, author of The Most Dangerous Man in Washington,
Speaker 2: and it's a story about his journey as a pediatric
Speaker 2: doctor to a hero during a global crisis, and he
Speaker 2: faced all kinds of professional blowback for his stances and
Speaker 2: what he knew about COVID nineteen And to talk about
Speaker 2: that for a few minutes once again, Scott Miller, how
Speaker 2: are you doing.
Speaker 1: Doctor, I'm actually a PA. I just had my own
Speaker 1: medical my own pediatric practice.
Speaker 5: But it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Well, it's great to have you. So tell me a
Speaker 2: little bit about what happened at the We're talking about
Speaker 2: May of twenty, which is the earliest signs of COVID
Speaker 2: and the infection in the United States, and how you
Speaker 2: were treating your patients, and how you were being told
Speaker 2: to treat your patients, and how you got into trouble.
Speaker 1: Over all of that, I'll try and keep it brief.
Speaker 5: It's a fairly convoluted story.
Speaker 1: But you know, interestingly, apart from just being told by
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Fauci deubah Burke's the CDC that there
Speaker 1: were no treatments, there weren't No one was really coming
Speaker 1: after providers that were treating is unless they were prescribing hydroxychloroquin.
Speaker 1: So early on we were pretty much free to do
Speaker 1: what we wanted. And although I had a pediatric practice,
Speaker 1: I had parents that were coming in in the end
Speaker 1: of January, you know, beginning of February that were quite sick,
Speaker 1: and they had these prolonged cops and they a lot
Speaker 1: of them were saying the same thing, I just don't
Speaker 1: feel like I can get a full breath of air
Speaker 1: and I can't fill my lungs. And they're good to
Speaker 1: the er and they'd be sent home with you know,
Speaker 1: a rescue and hailer and really nothing else. And I'm
Speaker 1: a curious guy, so I app okay, if we do
Speaker 1: a trial of some some different types of meds, and
Speaker 1: almost across the board, when I would have them nebulize
Speaker 1: a medication called DDS, and they would say that they
Speaker 1: started to feel better, like their their lung sell better,
Speaker 1: they could breathe better, and again not knowing what we
Speaker 1: were dealing with. And then all of a sudden, on
Speaker 1: March twelfth or twenty twenty, which was my birthday, everything
Speaker 1: shut down. They you know, fact she came on and
Speaker 1: you know the news about you know, COVID and and
Speaker 1: everything felt wrong. And I called my brother, who's an
Speaker 1: ear nose throat surgeon, and I asked him what his
Speaker 1: thoughts were, and he said, it's all political, bs, this
Speaker 1: is crazy. I'm like, okay, cool, that's what I felt.
Speaker 1: And my wife, My wife looked at me, She's like, well,
Speaker 1: can you figure this out? And h which I thought
Speaker 1: was it was cool for her to think that I
Speaker 1: be able to do that. But I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's let's start diving into the research of Stars one
Speaker 1: and mrs and the you know, just looking at how
Speaker 1: this is impacting the immune system. And within within about
Speaker 1: three days, I came across information out of out of
Speaker 1: Italy Taiwan, where it just started leading me down these
Speaker 1: rabbit trails and uh, you know, the thing that was
Speaker 1: really the most devastating early on was the impact on
Speaker 1: the kids, closing schools, taking away all of the I
Speaker 1: took care of a lot of children with special needs,
Speaker 1: and all of their all of their physical therapy and
Speaker 1: occupational therapy and speech therapy was instantly gone. And you know,
Speaker 1: they're being told their vectors of disease and they couldn't
Speaker 1: hang out with their friends. I was seeing a pandemic
Speaker 1: of depression and anxiety and there was nothing I.
Speaker 5: Could do to fix it.
Speaker 1: It was really crippling, and so I started speaking out
Speaker 1: about it and was then asked if I would speak
Speaker 1: at the capital at a medical freedom rally or just
Speaker 1: a freedom rally to talk about the medical side of it.
Speaker 1: I was in May of twenty twenty, which I did,
Speaker 1: and shortly after that the state the state started coming
Speaker 1: after me, which led to this kind of downward spiral.
Speaker 1: But you know, but the book is it really it's
Speaker 1: it's not really about COVID. It's not political. It's just
Speaker 1: my my personal journey or my family's journey navigating through
Speaker 1: It's a it's a journey into the insights of what
Speaker 1: it was like because we were doing something that no
Speaker 1: one else was doing, at least in our state. I
Speaker 1: didn't close my practice. I did inpatient care. We didn't
Speaker 1: we didn't have social distancing. We didn't make families wear masks.
Speaker 7: We do.
Speaker 1: It was as though there was no such thing apart
Speaker 1: from you know, hand washing, and and so we were
Speaker 1: coming on fire from a lot of different areas.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I wrote mass exemptions to open up private Christian schools,
Speaker 1: and magazine exemptions to allow student kids to go back
Speaker 1: to college without being mandated to get an experimental shot.
Speaker 1: So the state at a certain point literally considered me
Speaker 1: to be and called me the most dangerous man in
Speaker 1: Washington for using my license to perpetuate the spread of
Speaker 1: a virus during a worldwide pandemic.
Speaker 2: Well, you saw that patients who went into the hospital
Speaker 2: were dying, and you tried everything you could to keep
Speaker 2: patients from going into the hospital, and then for lack
Speaker 2: of a better word, rescuing some patients and letting them
Speaker 2: escape from the hospital because the approved standard of care
Speaker 2: was killing people, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: It was decimating people. I talked to I see you
Speaker 1: critical care nurses, and in two of our our hospitals
Speaker 1: in Vancouver, Washington, it was you know between a you know,
Speaker 1: at a six or seven percent survival rate if they
Speaker 1: went into the ICU, especially if they're ventilated, which I
Speaker 1: found to be unacceptable because I was going into homes
Speaker 1: with people that had been sent home from the hospital,
Speaker 1: like from the er and said to come back when
Speaker 1: they you know, when they're having a harder time breathing.
Speaker 5: And a lot of.
Speaker 1: People were like, I'm not going back to the hospital.
Speaker 1: And by the time I would, I would walk in
Speaker 1: their home, they were you know, their oxygen saturation would
Speaker 1: be in the sixties seventies, So that would be a
Speaker 1: person that would be ventilated immediately, and and I would
Speaker 1: treat them and we could get even without supplemental oxygen,
Speaker 1: like we would order it that even in that interim
Speaker 1: of waiting to get the oxygen we could get, I
Speaker 1: could get somebody that was you know, oxygen at seventy
Speaker 1: percent to ninety percent and forty five minutes just using
Speaker 1: what they considered unapproved FDA approved but not approof for
Speaker 1: COVID rep his medications. And across the board, these people
Speaker 1: were like, huh, why won't they do this in the hospital,
Speaker 1: and you know, money, they made so much money.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were incentivized by by I mean, they
Speaker 2: were actually getting paid for people dying as long as
Speaker 2: they listed them as COVID deaths. We know this. It
Speaker 2: is so evil. I can't even begin to wrap my
Speaker 2: head around it. Still, Scott Well in the Dogs.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize until I did an interview with Daniel
Speaker 1: Horowitz with with Blaze's TV, and we were he had
Speaker 1: reached out to me to help do some hospital rescues
Speaker 1: for people that were calling into his show, and so
Speaker 1: he started sending me the bills that these patients had
Speaker 1: gotten or what you know, insurance or aghs had paid out.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was thinking, you know, one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty two hundred thousand, I'm looking at five hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five eight hundred and fifty thousand, one point
Speaker 1: two million. A friend of mine's husband it was over
Speaker 1: two million dollars that the hospital got reimbursed. So that's
Speaker 1: a huge incentive to withhold therapies that would allow somebody
Speaker 1: to go home and.
Speaker 2: To keep people sick or kill them. Yes, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: The most dangerous man in Washington that would be Washington State.
Speaker 2: A physical Uh, you're a you're a physician's assistant.
Speaker 5: Correct, Yeah, have position assistant.
Speaker 2: Scott Miller, thank you for your time tonight. An interesting
Speaker 2: story I'd like to follow up some more at some
Speaker 2: point if you have the time.
Speaker 1: All right, absolutely, and yeah, you can get it on Amazon.
Speaker 1: And I've been told it's not boring. I've been told it,
Speaker 1: so that's pretty pretty it's been. I call it an
Speaker 1: entertaining read, and it's insight that even people that were
Speaker 1: close to me, that were kind of in the inner circle,
Speaker 1: had no idea. My wife had, even she.
Speaker 5: Was a nurse and she had worked with me and
Speaker 5: some of it.
Speaker 1: She came up after reading some chapters and she's like, Scott,
Speaker 1: I had no idea you were doing this. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you didn't want to know.
Speaker 5: It's getting steady.
Speaker 1: But it's a pretty fun read.
Speaker 2: I look forward to checking it out. Scott Miller, thank
Speaker 2: you very much. It's the nightcap and we're not done.
Speaker 2: Not even Klok we had the opportunity to talk to.
Speaker 2: But I have the pleasure tonight of speaking to Rhinier Zeidelmann.
Speaker 2: And I hope I'm pronouncing the name correctly. Am I absolutely?
Speaker 2: Randier Zeidelman author of the Origins of Poverty and Wealth,
Speaker 2: and he argues that economic freedom, not socialism, lifts nations
Speaker 2: from poverty. Using global case studies to show how in
Speaker 2: centerves drive wealth and happiness. People aren't necessarily just born
Speaker 2: into wealth and that's why they are wealthy. And I
Speaker 2: think that's one of the points you make. You're suggesting
Speaker 2: you're in You're in Berlin, Germany right now, and I
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time all across across the globe
Speaker 2: here to talk to us. But you're talking about a
Speaker 2: liberty road trip that everyone should take. What does that
Speaker 2: consist of? In here? This liberty road?
Speaker 9: What I did in two years I traveled through the
Speaker 9: early countries all over the world. I've been in Latin America,
Speaker 9: in a lot of countries, in Asia, of course, in
Speaker 9: the United States, and in sixty European countries, and to
Speaker 9: study economic freedom or economic repression. And you know, it's
Speaker 9: not a book about theory. It's a mixture between travel experience.
Speaker 9: And I spoke with entrepreneurs, with economists, with politicians, with
Speaker 9: all the people in all of this countries. I studied
Speaker 9: why are some people some countries become richer and some
Speaker 9: are very poor? And I'll give you one example. One
Speaker 9: examples is Vietnam. Vietnam was in the nineties the foorst country,
Speaker 9: the poorer than all African countries because of you know,
Speaker 9: the war, not only in the United States, with trends
Speaker 9: with Japan, with China, and what was not destroyed by
Speaker 9: the war was destroyed later by the crazy plant economy.
Speaker 9: And then they started with economic reforms, introducing private property,
Speaker 9: three market reforms. They call them the socialists, but I
Speaker 9: don't think that there are real socialists. But the results
Speaker 9: from more economic freedom was that the number of people
Speaker 9: living in poverty in Vietnam decreased from eighty percent in
Speaker 9: ninety ninety to three percent today. And I think this
Speaker 9: is amazing, and I had a lot of examples, and
Speaker 9: to bottom up, it is all this way. If you
Speaker 9: add more economic freedom, people become wealth there, and if
Speaker 9: you add more government, people become pride. I give you
Speaker 9: an example from one country that became very poor because
Speaker 9: of small government business, argent I've sat in however, every
Speaker 9: year in Argentina in the last three years. Argentina was
Speaker 9: one hundred years ago, one of the richest countries in
Speaker 9: the world, as rich as the United States one hundred
Speaker 9: years ago. And then they made all this crazy left
Speaker 9: wing right wing attism, socialism alway, small government, and the
Speaker 9: result was that they became so poor and they had
Speaker 9: every single year since ninety forty five and inflation, duppytities,
Speaker 9: in sat rate, doup petition every single year. And now
Speaker 9: you see now they have now Yabi in malays as
Speaker 9: libertarian president, and I hope you will be successful in
Speaker 9: tiding against So it's the same story. I traveled to
Speaker 9: so many countries, but in the end, it's always the
Speaker 9: same story.
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like things are turning around in Argentina
Speaker 2: because of the new administration there understanding exactly what you're
Speaker 2: talking about. In countries like India though, because of the
Speaker 2: caste system that still exists there that keeps people in
Speaker 2: a certain class poorer than others. Does it not.
Speaker 5: To be honest?
Speaker 9: For I've been not in India. I've been in a
Speaker 9: lot of Asian countries in China, Vietnam, Naple sous who
Speaker 9: you're not in India, so I can't say so much
Speaker 9: about it. But I can say something about Nepal. It's
Speaker 9: the neighbor of India and Nepal it's one of the
Speaker 9: fust clanses in the world today. It's the second purse
Speaker 9: in Asia.
Speaker 2: And why is that?
Speaker 9: Because almost everything is forbidden. It's forbidden to make a
Speaker 9: profit of more than twenty percent. I spoke there with
Speaker 9: entrepreneurs and they told me if I produce anything, for example,
Speaker 9: my book, they can make only a profit of twenty percent.
Speaker 9: Otherwise they are punished by the government. And then they
Speaker 9: have long lists. What is forbidden for foreign investors. You're
Speaker 9: not allowed to invest in this and that and that.
Speaker 9: Oh it's red tape, a lot of regulation. It's forbidden,
Speaker 9: and in the end they are poor. I spoke about
Speaker 9: Vietnam before. It is the difference. In Vietnam they embrace
Speaker 9: towering dances, even Americans, and I doubt before maybe they
Speaker 9: hate Americans because of the war. No, they laugh Americans
Speaker 9: and they open the economy for the world, and so
Speaker 9: they it's a very entrepreneur country. And if you compare
Speaker 9: these countries like Nepal on the one hand and Vietnam
Speaker 9: on the other hand, you see it's always about economic freedom.
Speaker 2: In the end, how is your home country of Germany
Speaker 2: doing on this prospect right here?
Speaker 9: It's the state is a sad story. You know, we
Speaker 9: were so successful in Germany because essence World War two,
Speaker 9: we introduced a free market economy with our with our
Speaker 9: minutes of economy with the Airheart and now in the
Speaker 9: last year it started with Andrew Americas, they've started to
Speaker 9: go mall and mall in the direction of the planned economy.
Speaker 9: For example, to face out nuclear power plants. What is
Speaker 9: a crazy idea. They speak about climate change as the
Speaker 9: biggest threat, but if you believe in this, you should
Speaker 9: have more nuclear power plans then have to phase out.
Speaker 9: So they paced out nuclear power plants. They're past dot
Speaker 9: cold power plants. They wanted to make do everything with
Speaker 9: windmills and solar energy, what is of course not possible.
Speaker 9: And now we have the highest energy prices in the
Speaker 9: world and companies go, for example to the United States
Speaker 9: or some even go to China. As the biggest chemical
Speaker 9: company in the world. They said, okay, we go more
Speaker 9: to China now because there's less bureaucracy in China than
Speaker 9: in Germany and not so high energy price. So it's
Speaker 9: a it's a sad story because you know, the Clean
Speaker 9: Party in Germany, they wanted to prove that they wanted
Speaker 9: to do the role models for the rest of the world.
Speaker 9: If you set them. Germany is only responsible for two
Speaker 9: percent of zero two emissions on the world if you
Speaker 9: would cut them to zero, it wouldn't change anything. Then
Speaker 9: they replied, yes, maybe, but we will be the role
Speaker 9: models for the whole world and everyone will like to
Speaker 9: do it as we do it in Germany. Now exactly
Speaker 9: the opposite happened. We have zero crows. Now we are
Speaker 9: in the third years of recession. And you know this
Speaker 9: is this is another example that planned economy does not work.
Speaker 9: They don't call it a plan economies. But let's maybe
Speaker 9: say on in two centers, what is the difference between
Speaker 9: a planned economy on the one hand and capitalism on
Speaker 9: the other hand. In capitalism, entrepreneurs and consumer decide.
Speaker 5: What to produce.
Speaker 9: It's every day the decision of millions of companies and consumers.
Speaker 9: In a planned economy, politicians divide. Walter produced. And so
Speaker 9: if you think that politeerians are smarter than millions of
Speaker 9: consumers and entrepreneurs, wealth per socialists. But I don't believe
Speaker 9: this that the politicians are the smartest people in the world.
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't. I don't either, reneer Zeidelmann, thank
Speaker 2: you so much. The Origins of Poverty and Wealth is
Speaker 2: the book, and we appreciate your time this evening. That
Speaker 2: is all for us. We end with the national anthems,
Speaker 2: star Spangled banner to honor America. On seven hundred WLW