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<v Speaker 1>In La, murder often becomes myth. No other place seems

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<v Speaker 1>to elevate its killings and killers the way Los Angeles does.

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<v Speaker 1>From Manson to Menendez, murders and murderers are often catapulted

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<v Speaker 1>into the American zeitgeist and find a permanent place in

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<v Speaker 1>the public conscious. The media baptizes them with monikers that

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<v Speaker 1>add to the longevity of their horror. The Nightstalker, the

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<v Speaker 1>Hillside Stranglers, the grim Sleeper. Perched at the top of

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<v Speaker 1>this dark pantheon of murder in the City of Angels

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<v Speaker 1>since Elizabeth Short, better known as the Black Dahlia, the

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<v Speaker 1>girl who was cut cleanly in two her unsolved murder, refuses,

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<v Speaker 1>even after almost eighty years, to diminish in the public imagination,

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<v Speaker 1>not just for how she was mercilessly tortured with a

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<v Speaker 1>clown smile cut into her face, then left naked and

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<v Speaker 1>into parts in a trash drewn lot, but for how

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<v Speaker 1>she lived. She had come to La, like so many others,

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<v Speaker 1>with a hope and a dream to find love, to

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<v Speaker 1>find happiness, to find home. Her end was the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the Hollywood dream. Over the decades, shorts horrific demise

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<v Speaker 1>has sparked the imagination of many in the fields of

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<v Speaker 1>entertainment and law enforcement, be it fiction or documentary. There

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<v Speaker 1>are uncounted versions of the story in book and screen form,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a competitive market, with champions of one suspect

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<v Speaker 1>tirelessly sniping at those of others. There has also been

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<v Speaker 1>no shortage of real life suspects brought forth. Calling a

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<v Speaker 1>cold case is a bit ironic when so many investigators

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<v Speaker 1>di amateur and professional alike have worked the bones of

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Short since the day her body was found in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven. Mitzi Roberts, who ran the Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 1>Police Department's cold case unit until her retirement last year,

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<v Speaker 1>says that not a week went by that she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>feeld inquiries and unsolicited solutions to the mystery of who

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<v Speaker 1>killed Elizabeth Short.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a hard case to keep because of the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of people that would call me on it and

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<v Speaker 2>want to have tips or want me to look into

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<v Speaker 2>a suspect that they developed, and some of them were

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<v Speaker 2>people of importance, I guess, and so the department would

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much order me to look into these various theories

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<v Speaker 2>and speak with some of these people. Authors, retired investigators

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, and it took a considerable amount of

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<v Speaker 2>my time. And at the time, this was just like

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<v Speaker 2>an ancillary case. It was sort of like a hobby case.

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<v Speaker 2>But it ended up taking a considerable amount of my

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<v Speaker 2>time just to fill all these different people that came

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<v Speaker 2>forward with information or wanting to solve the Black Dalua.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I would get correspondents from people would via

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<v Speaker 2>email or phone calls every week, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Every week. None of the theories or suspects helped promise.

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<v Speaker 1>Most were rejected by known facts of the case before

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<v Speaker 1>the phone call was even over. In Robert's view, the

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<v Speaker 1>case would never be solved and there would be no

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<v Speaker 1>justice for Elizabeth Short. That is until she met Alex Baber,

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<v Speaker 1>a self styled citizen sleuth who carries no badge and

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<v Speaker 1>no law enforcement training. Now, Roberts, perhaps the top living

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<v Speaker 1>expert on the Black Dalua case, says, the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>Elizabeth Short has been solved.

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<v Speaker 2>When he presented all of his evidence, and you look

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<v Speaker 2>at that and it fits so precisely into the case.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to think that this person is not the

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<v Speaker 2>person that was responsible for killing the Black Dallian. I

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<v Speaker 2>really believe that he's found the guy. Like he solved

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<v Speaker 2>the he solved the Black Dahlia.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only that, but the case was solved almost

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<v Speaker 1>by accident when Baber set out to investigate a different

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<v Speaker 1>case altogether, the Zodiac Murders of Northern California. I'm Michael

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<v Speaker 1>Connolly and this is killer in the Code solving the

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<v Speaker 1>Black Dahalia and Zodiac cases. Over the next several episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to detail how a quick spoken and

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<v Speaker 1>self proclaimed crime solving genius convinced some of the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>minds in murder and code breaking that he has solved

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<v Speaker 1>two of the most infamous crimes of the last century.

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<v Speaker 1>Dux Favor is fifty years old. He grew up in

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<v Speaker 1>rural Florida. He said he learned at an early age

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<v Speaker 1>that his grandfather was likely a serial killer who went

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<v Speaker 1>undetected because he preyed upon migrant workers who registered no

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<v Speaker 1>standing in society or importance with law enforcement, who backwoods Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Bab says it was his family's dark secret that set

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<v Speaker 1>him on a path toward redemption through finding answers for

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<v Speaker 1>victims and their families.

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<v Speaker 3>I can recall vividly how my mother and her siblings

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<v Speaker 3>would often speak quietly a FEMA gatherings discussing details surrounding

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<v Speaker 3>my grandfather and just crimes from their childhood to instance

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<v Speaker 3>stand out to me in particular. And what about any

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<v Speaker 3>plantation workers or hired hands that work the fields for

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<v Speaker 3>my grandfather and been constructed not to speak to my

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<v Speaker 3>aunt and make interpropriate comments. Apparently this happened on a

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<v Speaker 3>few occasions, and the individuals involved did not return to

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<v Speaker 3>work or were never seen again, so these were always present.

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<v Speaker 3>I can remember verse far back is is five years

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<v Speaker 3>of age hearing the first story, and then over the

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<v Speaker 3>years as I grew up, we would get more details

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<v Speaker 3>and more insight into the events as I grew older.

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<v Speaker 1>Diagnosed at age twelve with autistic disorder, Baber didn't fit

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<v Speaker 1>in at school and was bullied and beaten until he

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<v Speaker 1>dropped out. He later picked up a GED without needing

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<v Speaker 1>to study for it. By then, he says his IQ

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<v Speaker 1>had been tested at above one point sixty on both

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<v Speaker 1>the Wexler and Stanford Bennet intelligence scales. Baber has a

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<v Speaker 1>fast moving mind and no filter when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>believing himself and his efforts. He talked fast and confidently

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<v Speaker 1>about his skills. His personality can be and often has been,

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<v Speaker 1>read the wrong way. The first time I spoke to him,

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<v Speaker 1>he introduced himself as an autodidact holymath. That's a fancy

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<v Speaker 1>way of saying he was a self taught expert in

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<v Speaker 1>many fields. He told me focused on unsolved crimes because

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<v Speaker 1>he had the ability to find the hidden beneath the hidden.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to admit I was put off at first

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<v Speaker 1>and skeptical about his claims.

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<v Speaker 3>My confidence is often mistaken for arrogance, but my focus

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<v Speaker 3>has always been on purpose, not an ego. I work fast,

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<v Speaker 3>I speak directly because uncovering trees requires both my self

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<v Speaker 3>taught background spans numerous disciplines that help reveal what owners

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<v Speaker 3>might miss or overlook. It's never about claiming to know everything,

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<v Speaker 3>only about finding results where others have stopped looking. I

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<v Speaker 3>tend to dig a little bit deeper because of my

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<v Speaker 3>autistic disorder, and it's hard for me to let go

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<v Speaker 3>once I find something that is intriguing or interest to me,

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<v Speaker 3>and I will dig until I find an answer, one

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<v Speaker 3>way or another.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no shortage to the number of Internet denizens who

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<v Speaker 1>have taken the aim at Babe before his blessed during Bravado.

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<v Speaker 1>Four years ago, he started a company called Cold Case

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<v Speaker 1>Consultants of America. He built a website complete with claims

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<v Speaker 1>of crime solving genius and a photo of the founder

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<v Speaker 1>wearing leather suspenders that look a lot like a shoulder ulster.

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<v Speaker 1>When Baber dipped into an unsolved case, famous or not,

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<v Speaker 1>he was often viewed as a carpetbagger looking to make

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<v Speaker 1>money off of people haunted and desperate for answers in

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<v Speaker 1>their missing, their murdered loved ones cases. Baber insists his

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<v Speaker 1>intentions were misunderstood.

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<v Speaker 3>So that I am clear, I nor my company has

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<v Speaker 3>ever received a single pinion from a cold case review.

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<v Speaker 3>My work has always been conducted independently, without conversation or

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<v Speaker 3>financial involvement from any victims family. My goal has never

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<v Speaker 3>been a profit from the tragedy of others, but rather progress.

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<v Speaker 3>My company's efforts were financed by financial inheritance and advocate investors.

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<v Speaker 3>Not one cent has ever been received from a victim's

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<v Speaker 3>family for any case that my agency has worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Along the way, Baber ad an idea he would collect

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<v Speaker 1>all the known writings of serial killers and mass murderers

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<v Speaker 1>into a digital database. Through which comparisons could be made

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of word choices and phrasing, misspellings, penmanship, syntax,

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<v Speaker 1>and even psychological tell He thought it might be a

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<v Speaker 1>way of finding the hidden beneath the hidden.

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<v Speaker 3>The Frenchic Linguistic database served a valuable purpose for oursentifiing

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<v Speaker 3>linguistic and behavioral parallels between previously unrelated cases. Beyond that,

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<v Speaker 3>it offered deeper psychological insight into criminal mind or viewing

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<v Speaker 3>similar patterns of thought amongst various cases with connective tissue.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was able to identify similarities between the wording

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<v Speaker 3>and the choice of words between the Black Value Avenger letters,

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<v Speaker 3>which some people said about crank letters, we now know

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<v Speaker 3>that they weren't, as well as the twenty two plus

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<v Speaker 3>letters of Zodiac mailed in between nineteen sixty nine and

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>Included in his database were the many letters sent to

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement in agencies and newspapers by the self named

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<v Speaker 1>Zodiac Killer in northern California. The Zodiacs reign of terror

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<v Speaker 1>began in December of nineteen sixty eight, when he shot

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<v Speaker 1>to death a young man and woman in a lover's

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<v Speaker 1>lane in Solano County over the next ten months, the

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<v Speaker 1>same man attacked two more couples, killing two more women,

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<v Speaker 1>and then murdered of San Francisco cab driver. In a

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<v Speaker 1>series of messages sent to newspapers and law enforcement agencies,

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<v Speaker 1>he took credit for the killings, often beginning with the

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<v Speaker 1>ominous greeting, this is the Zodiac speaking. The letters threatened

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<v Speaker 1>more killings, including a plan to pick off children getting

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<v Speaker 1>off a school bus, Though the five murders during the

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<v Speaker 1>ten months free were the only slayings officially credited to

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac, he claimed that various times in various messages,

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<v Speaker 1>to have taken seven, then twelve, then fourteen, then seventeen,

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<v Speaker 1>and then finally thirty seven lives, stating that he was

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<v Speaker 1>accumulating slaves for the afterlife. In four of the messages,

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<v Speaker 1>the Zodiac included ciphers composed of letters and hand drawn

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<v Speaker 1>symbols in a grid pattern. The first one was the longest,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was sent in three parts to three different

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers for publication. His code was broken quickly and rather easily,

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<v Speaker 1>by a high school teacher and his wife. The next

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<v Speaker 1>three ciphers were far more difficult and withstood the efforts

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<v Speaker 1>of would be codebreakers and cryptographers for decades until the

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<v Speaker 1>year twenty twenty, when the Z three forty cipher, so

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<v Speaker 1>named for the number of characters that included in the grid,

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<v Speaker 1>was broken by an international team of amateur cryptography enthusiasts.

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<v Speaker 1>The remaining two ciphers were much shorter and therefore more

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<v Speaker 1>of characters, making them harder to crack because fewer characters

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<v Speaker 1>meant fewer patterns, reducing the effectiveness of traditional decryption methods.

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<v Speaker 1>The shortest cipher, the Z thirteen, came after the Zodiac

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this is the Zodiac speaking. By the way, have

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<v Speaker 1>you cracked the last cipher I sent you? My name

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<v Speaker 1>is thirteen letters and symbols followed. Some believed that the

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<v Speaker 1>Zodiac was goaded into encrypting his name and sending it

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<v Speaker 1>to the San Francisco Chronicle because he had been called

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<v Speaker 1>out publicly by the president of the American Cryptogram Association.

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<v Speaker 1>He said the Zodiac was a rank amateur when it

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<v Speaker 1>came to encryption and would never dare put his name

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<v Speaker 1>out in a cipher.

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<v Speaker 3>Zodiac most certainly felt confident after his three forty cipher

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<v Speaker 3>made unbroken for six months, despite the best efforts of

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<v Speaker 3>topic photography experts across the nation. His ego couldn't allow

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement or the American Cryptogram Association to believe they

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<v Speaker 3>were smarter than him, so he answered their challenge directly

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<v Speaker 3>with the Z thirteam cipher.

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<v Speaker 1>With the advent of artificial intelligence beginning to infiltrate almost

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<v Speaker 1>to political campaigns, Alex Baber thought, why not law enforcement?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not code breaking? The Z three to forty cipher

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<v Speaker 1>had been broken two years earlier by identifying a dual

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<v Speaker 1>coding system similar to that used by cryptographers to secure

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<v Speaker 1>military messaging during World War Two.

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<v Speaker 3>They cracked the Z three forty by applying a layer approach,

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<v Speaker 3>II coding system, and then applying a substitution layer to

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<v Speaker 3>letter frequency and brute force, they systematically unravel as cipher

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<v Speaker 1>With this knowledge, Baber set a site in the Z

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<v Speaker 1>thirteen cipher, and using an AI program he designed, he

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<v Speaker 1>needle in a haystack. The list was seventy one million

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<v Speaker 1>names long, as it was originally written in the Zodiac letter,

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<v Speaker 1>the cipher was just one line, but the other ciphers

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<v Speaker 1>authored by the Zodiac were much longer and had been

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<v Speaker 1>presented in a grid. So Baber broke Z thirteen into

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<v Speaker 1>a two x seven grid, adding a fourteenth digit to

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<v Speaker 1>This added digit is called a knull in code speak,

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<v Speaker 1>This narrated the possibilities considerably, and employing other disqualifiers cut

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<v Speaker 1>started looking for a white male who would have been

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<v Speaker 1>of the Zodiac attacks. For nine months, he waited for

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<v Speaker 1>phone directories from the period, as well as US census data,

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<v Speaker 1>voting roles, property records, military archives, birth records, and arrest records,

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<v Speaker 1>and was finally able to whittle the list of seventy

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<v Speaker 1>one million names down to fourteen possibilities. He then had

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<v Speaker 1>he went through the final fourteen possibilities and eliminated thirteen

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<v Speaker 1>through disqualifying factors such as height, background, and proximity to

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<v Speaker 1>northern California. That left one name, Marvin Merrill. The name

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<v Speaker 1>belonged to a man who had several addresses in California

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<v Speaker 1>in the sixties, seventies, and eighties. He also had a

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<v Speaker 1>criminal record. Now, before we continue with Alex Baber's deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive into who Marvin Merrill was, I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>we will be taking a deep dive into his code

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<v Speaker 1>breaking methods in the later episode. There is also additional

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<v Speaker 1>information on our website Killerinthecode dot com about his investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>I happen to know very little about ciphers and cryptography,

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<v Speaker 1>but breaking the Z thirteen code is the foundation on

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<v Speaker 1>which this entire investigation stands. I had to independently confirm

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<v Speaker 1>or refute Baber's work before I took another step down

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<v Speaker 1>the path with him. I went to a code breaking

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<v Speaker 1>team headed by Ed Georgio, a legend in the world

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<v Speaker 1>of cryptography. Georgio spent thirty years in a national security

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<v Speaker 1>agency and to this day is the only man Everett

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<v Speaker 1>who have served as both NSA's chief codebreaker and code maker.

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<v Speaker 1>He accepted the challenge from me and analyzed and reworked

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<v Speaker 1>the steps Faber had taken. It took him three weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he had his work and conclusions peer reviewed by

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<v Speaker 1>two other top code breakers who formerly worked with the NSA.

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<v Speaker 1>This is what Ed Georgio told me.

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<v Speaker 4>It was one hell of a piece of work that

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<v Speaker 4>Alex and his team did. It was quite convincing.

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<v Speaker 5>I want to emphasize what an incredibly good job Alex

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<v Speaker 5>of candidates, he had to figure out what the cryptosystem

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<v Speaker 5>was to begin with.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked ed to read from the paper he and

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<v Speaker 1>his team were authoring on Alex Baber's investigation.

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<v Speaker 4>The Baker team has done an outstanding job identifying and

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<v Speaker 4>joining two infamous murders, the Black Volume Murder and the

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<v Speaker 4>Zodiac Murders. A central element of their work is the

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<v Speaker 4>proposed decryption of the Zodiac Z thirteen psycho, which the

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<v Speaker 4>Zodiac claimed would reveal his name. The Baby team combined

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<v Speaker 4>cryptanalytics and traditional investigative methods, first using a define set

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<v Speaker 4>of encryption assumptions, obfuscation, permutation, and substitution to reduce the

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<v Speaker 4>vast number of possible Z thirteen solutions to a manageable subset,

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<v Speaker 4>and then applied forensic reasoner to eliminate all but one candidate,

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<v Speaker 4>Marvin Merrill. Our independent validation confirmed the internal consistency of

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<v Speaker 4>the Baber Team's decryption method.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll hear more from Ed Georgio and his team in

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<v Speaker 1>upcoming episodes. For now, let's go back to Alex Paper's investigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Once he had the name Marvin Merrill, Baber started to

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<v Speaker 1>background the man he believes he had identified as the Zodiac.

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<v Speaker 1>He was able to place him in northern California at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of the Zodiac killings. He learned that in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy one, Merrill had been charged in Oceanside, California

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<v Speaker 1>with five counts of fraud and spent three years on probation,

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<v Speaker 1>a period of time that matched with a period of

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<v Speaker 1>time when the Zodiac had gone silent. He also learned

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<v Speaker 1>that Merrill had done to Santa Barbara in nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>He was sixty eight years old at the time. If

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<v Speaker 1>he was the Zodiac, then he had gotten away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But Baber also encountered a problem. He could find no

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<v Speaker 1>military property, voting, or census records with Merrill's name on

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<v Speaker 1>them before the nineteen sixties. Curious, Baber dubbed deeper. He

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<v Speaker 1>learned through Social Security Administration records that Merrill had a

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<v Speaker 1>history of using two different Social Security numbers, neither of

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<v Speaker 1>which were his. One belonged to a woman who lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Chicago. The other belonged to a man named Marvin Margolis,

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<v Speaker 1>also out of Chicago. Social Security records stated that Marvin

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<v Speaker 1>Merrill was an alias from Marvin Margolis. This was a puzzle.

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<v Speaker 1>Long before the Zodiac's murders, free Marvin Merrill was involved

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<v Speaker 1>in identity manipulation. The question was why did Marvin Margois

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<v Speaker 3>It's one of those Aha moments where you realize that

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<v Speaker 3>there's something to this guy that needs to be looked

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<v Speaker 3>at deeper. Because an individual, first off, doesn't use someone

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<v Speaker 3>else's security number and doesn't file legal documents under that,

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<v Speaker 3>and he surely doesn't use an alias in correlation with it.

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<v Speaker 3>There has to be a purpose to that. Either he's

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<v Speaker 3>running from something, hiding from something, or he's doing something illegal.

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<v Speaker 3>And at that moment, that was another Aha moment where

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<v Speaker 3>I realized I'm on the right road. I need to

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<v Speaker 3>dig deeper into his past, because this guy went from

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<v Speaker 3>being an entity or nobody to me right to actually

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<v Speaker 3>being a real world individual to being now a real

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<v Speaker 3>world individual who is shady that's doing some ille illegal activities.

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<v Speaker 3>So right there tells you there's some criminal element to him.

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<v Speaker 1>The deep dive continued. Now. Baber was pursuing Marvin Margolis

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<v Speaker 1>across time and building a biography of this mystery man.

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<v Speaker 1>He learned through military records that Margolis had served as

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<v Speaker 1>a hospital corpsman attached to a marine battalion that made

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<v Speaker 1>the first landing on Okinawa during World War Two. Baber

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<v Speaker 1>found a story in the archives of the Chicago newspaper

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<v Speaker 1>that hailed his return from the war. He posed for

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<v Speaker 1>a photo with the rifle he had taken off a

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<v Speaker 1>Japanese soldier he said he had killed. After the war,

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<v Speaker 1>Margolis was mustered out of the Navy in his hometown

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<v Speaker 1>of Chicago, but soon turned up in California. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty six, he was living in Hollywood and taking pre

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<v Speaker 1>med classes at the University of Southern California, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Baber made a startling discovery. Margolis's name was in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifty one grand jury report on the unsolved murder

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<v Speaker 1>of Elizabeth Short. The report said that Margois had been

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<v Speaker 1>one of the prime suspects in the killing of the

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<v Speaker 3>At that moment, I had another aha moment, like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 3>this guy that was Merril, that was Margolis, that used

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<v Speaker 3>a security number, is now the same individual. And the

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<v Speaker 3>reason I knew it was the same identical individual Michaels

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<v Speaker 3>because in the records they use this date of birth

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<v Speaker 3>in his hometown, which you've read in his military report.

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<v Speaker 3>So I knew, same birthday, same name, same on town.

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<v Speaker 4>We had the right guy.

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<v Speaker 3>How crazy is that?

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen forty nine, the two year old Black Dahia

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<v Speaker 1>case was still big news in Los Angeles, and despite

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<v Speaker 1>a massive effort to identify a suspect and make an arrest,

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<v Speaker 1>the LAPD had come up empty. A grand jury was

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<v Speaker 1>impaneled and for two years her testimony from witnesses, including

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<v Speaker 1>the lead investigators on the case. They provided the grand

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<v Speaker 1>jury with a list of twenty one possible suspects in

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of Elizabeth Short. The list was in no

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<v Speaker 1>particular order of importance. Number eleven on it was Marvin Margolis.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the grand jury reports, what brought Margolis to

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<v Speaker 1>the attention of the investigator was that he and Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>Short had shared an apartment in Hollywood for twelve days

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<v Speaker 1>in October, just three months before our murder. He was

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed twice by detectives in the weeks after the murder.

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<v Speaker 1>The detectives reported that he was deceitful both times, including

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<v Speaker 1>initially lying about knowing Elizabeth Short and denying that the

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<v Speaker 1>two had lived together briefly. He provided an alibi for

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<v Speaker 1>the time of Short's murder, and his wife, who he

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<v Speaker 1>had married a month after sharing the apartment, backed him

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<v Speaker 1>up on it. Investigators were not convinced by Margolis or

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<v Speaker 1>his wife. It had been the view of the detectives

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<v Speaker 1>on the case that someone with a near surgical skill

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<v Speaker 1>had performed the bisection of Elizabeth Schwort's body. They learned

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<v Speaker 1>that Margois had taken part in the dissection of a

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<v Speaker 1>human body at the USC Medical School three months before

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<v Speaker 1>the murder, and they learned that Margolis's wartime experiences had

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<v Speaker 1>a profoundly negative impact on him psychologically. According to the

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<v Speaker 1>grand jury reports, investigators uncovered of psychological report on Margolis

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<v Speaker 1>that was written in support of a fifty percent disability

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<v Speaker 1>being granted Margolis for battlefield neurosis that grew from his

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<v Speaker 1>experiences on Okinawa. This is from the report that was

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<v Speaker 1>dated for four months before Elizabeth Schwort's murder. In Okinawa,

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<v Speaker 1>Margolis was under bombing and strafing for twenty nine days.

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<v Speaker 1>He was then ordered to set up a hospital there.

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<v Speaker 1>He worked long hours with little sleep, under frequent air raids,

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<v Speaker 1>saw many bodies in mangled shape. He cared for two

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<v Speaker 1>companies where there were many casualties. His setup was in

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<v Speaker 1>a small cave. A rain caused the sides to cave in.

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<v Speaker 1>He was buried all but his head, which was held

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<v Speaker 1>tight like a vice. The next morning he dug out.

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<v Speaker 1>He became amnesic, emotional, with depression and instability. The psychiatric

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosis is as follows. The subject is calm, quiet and

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<v Speaker 1>a resentful individual who shows ample evidence of open aggression

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<v Speaker 1>at present. This man shows a lack of interests, aims,

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<v Speaker 1>and ability to concentrate. Margos is sullen. His personality is

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<v Speaker 1>not pleasing, apathetic, inclined to sarcasm. He said that the

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<v Speaker 1>next time there is a war, two of us are

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<v Speaker 1>not going, the one who comes after me and myself.

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<v Speaker 3>So this individual was obviously troubled by his wartime on

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<v Speaker 3>that he experience and coming back and was identified as

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<v Speaker 3>fifty percent mentally disabled, which at that point was like

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<v Speaker 3>mos to shell shock. In today's terminology, he will be

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<v Speaker 1>Blake galex Favor would do. Seventy five years later, the

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<v Speaker 1>detectives did a deep dive on Marvin Margolis. They learned

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<v Speaker 1>that when he lived at the Guardian Arms on Hollywood Boulevard,

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<v Speaker 1>he had a roommate named Bill Robinson, a former cryptographer

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<v Speaker 1>and Signal Corps officer during the war. He too was

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<v Speaker 1>deemed untruthful when interviewed by detectives and asked about Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>shore stay at the apartment he shared with Margolis, But

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<v Speaker 1>everything they gathered was circumstantial at best. There was no

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<v Speaker 1>direct evidence against Margolis. He was never arrested, and soon

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<v Speaker 1>after the murder moved back to Chicago. Efforts by the

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<v Speaker 1>LAPD and Chicago police to find him for a third

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<v Speaker 1>interview failed. He was in the wind and would soon

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<v Speaker 1>be adopting a false identity before returning to California. As

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<v Speaker 1>one detective would testify about Margolis to the grand jury

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<v Speaker 1>in December of nineteen forty nine, it was impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>throw him out as a suspect. It was impossible to

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<v Speaker 1>tie him in as a suspect. Now, all these years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Baber had seemingly tied Margolis to two of the

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<v Speaker 1>last century's most infamous unsolved crimes. But was it too

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<v Speaker 1>late to go beyond the circumstantial and find the direct

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that eluded police for so long. We're willing to

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<v Speaker 1>find out in the episodes ahead, as Baber enlists a

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<v Speaker 1>high level team of cold case investigators and uncovers a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of evidence he calls the smoking gun. This is

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<v Speaker 1>just one of those investigators take on Baber's work and

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<v Speaker 1>his conclusions.

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<v Speaker 6>I have no doubt this is the person. I have

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<v Speaker 6>no doubt at all. And it adds a lot to

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<v Speaker 6>stake your reputation on it, but I feel it's totally overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 6>circumstantial evidence, and now it has become mixed in with

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<v Speaker 6>some physical evidence that supports Alex's suspect as being the

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<v Speaker 6>Dahlia and Zodiac killers. It's overwhelming evidence that connects this

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<v Speaker 6>man to these murders.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Michael Connolly and you have been listening to

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<v Speaker 1>Kill Her in the Code Solving the Black Dahlia and

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<v Speaker 1>Zodiac Cases. For more information about these cases and the investigation,

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<v Speaker 1>go to Kill Her Inthecode dot com. This podcast was

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<v Speaker 1>written and produced by Michael Connolly. It was edited by Teroll,

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<v Speaker 1>Lee Langford and Mark Henry Phillips, with sound design and

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<v Speaker 1>scoring by Mark Henry Phillips as well. Thank you for listening.
