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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to That's Not Metal. We are

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your weekly rock and heavy metal podcast, and we are

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here once again at the end of the month round

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at the end of the month, lately before four the

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review show for the fourth month of the year, April.

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We have got a pretty nice little selection albums that

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have come out about to come out that we want

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to talk to you about, and so we're going to

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get into that over the next couple of hours. But

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first off, let's do the usual, the intro stuff. Hello,

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my name is Parenhish with me as usual for the reviews,

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We've got Elliot Paisley and Sam Dignon. Sam Elliott, Hello,

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how are we doing? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Good, I mean, I'm excited for reviews this We're We've

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got some of my like fite realms of the year

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so far, sort of like not good to spoilery, but

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there are some big ones this month.

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Speaker 1: It's a pretty good one for Sam.

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Speaker 2: I think, yeah, like, yeah, I'm read, I'm excited to

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chaut about these albums and there's some real good stuff

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to talk about this month.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think after last month, which did have some

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good stuff in it, but obviously had that pretty arduous

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metalcor Gordler at the beginning, this is like.

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Speaker 2: Oh well I've left that behind.

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Speaker 3: That that is like it's memories, Like yeah, this is

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like the Alca the Alca Celts after the hangover. It's

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just it's we're free now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because like, obviously the albums

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that I am still listening to from like the previous

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couple of months are my favorite ones, you know, and

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like my favorite stuff that we did towards the end

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of that reviews episode last month is still basically like

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my favorite stuff that I'm like absolutely like, you know,

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kind of still on the brain with this year. But

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this is I think a much cozier selection. From top

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to bottom. We have got to talk about the new

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Death Heaven album reviews also from Scowl Employed to Serve

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in Human Nature, Messa, and Final Dose. We've got a

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little bit of news to start off with, and I

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guess we can just do the little kind of round

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up of rock at Code Shell, which you know, not

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always the top story, and I guess it wouldn't be

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the top top story, but there was enough to talk about.

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The Misfits played. It's not really newsworthy, but I just

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always take notice of when they go.

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Speaker 2: They didn't humiliate us Danzig like was on good? Was

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was well behaved? Yeah, like, I mean that's worth noting

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his Danzig was well behaved.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fair, No no strange merch or anything there.

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Courtney of Plumt came out with Meghan the Stallion to

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do her little spot. The only clips I could see.

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her out at the back of the stage like a goon.

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But you know, nice to see her appearing and making

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the most of that little cool Megan.

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Speaker 2: This sound did shout out like Courtney from fucking Spirit Bods. Yeah,

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like you got the proper acknowledgment. Lest that's nice.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I wonder how many people in the crowd knew

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who the fuck that was still, but you know, nonetheless

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good to see it. David Drayman wants to talk to

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Billy Armstrong and tell him why bombing kids is good. Actually,

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after Billy der Armstrong changed the lyrics of Jesus s

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Burbia to be a reference to the Palestinian genocide, which

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I feel like it's only fair. After we did rag

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on a New Green Day song last week to you know. Also,

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you know, give our Jews when they do something, you

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know kind of legit and cool, so yeah, good on you, billy. Elsewhere,

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people on Twitter were surprised that people at Speed couldn't

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like mosh properly and weren't busting out their full on,

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you know, fucking sound and fury developed mosh move. It's like,

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what do you expect?

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, oh, is this really?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 2: I know, we have to have our late like most

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discourse every month, but come on, cochill. At the very least,

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it's cool to see a co chiller crowd actually get

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involved in a hardcore band like Speed and try and

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like try and wash and try and stage dive like

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fuck it. If the fore main good like they're taking

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part in that rocks, well it's good for.

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Speaker 3: Me because I I think I can mosh And then

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a story like this comes out and go, oh I've

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been doing it right so something yeah eatly like it's

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it's an education for all.

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Speaker 1: Of us, absolutely, But I think the main takeaway from Coachella,

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I think for us should be a Weezer who a

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how bizarre newsworthy thing? Is this already? That the story

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is already Weezer played Coachella several days after Scott Shriner's

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wife is shot, Like that is already something going on.

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But apparently Rivers Cuomo at Coachella has stated that in

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you know, recent weeks whatever, they have been out there

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in La making a Weezer movie. Now do we a

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believe Rivers Cuomo? And he's not just decided to say

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that on the day which would be on form, but

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b a Weezer I mean, obviously we're all buying our

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tickets day one, Like whatever fucking that is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm seeing it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But what the hell do we make of the

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news that there could be a Weezer movie motion picture event? Like?

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Speaker 2: What? What? What? What is it going to be? Is it? Is

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it like a band documentary? Is it a like it's

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like semi autobiographical story about the rise of Weezer? Are

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they like playing themselves? Like there's so many possibilities that

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a Weezer movie could take that I'm like fascinated by it,

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and I'm like this, like I don't know if it

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would be good, but I kind of just like it

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is enticing as a prospect, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Like what? This is particularly funny because the last six months,

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I've seen like Weezer forums and that sort of thing.

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People are going, where are Weeze? It's been over two

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years since you've had any new music, and god, like, yeah,

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well that's they're all going, well, maybe they're sort of

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taking it seriously and they're going to finally take some

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time and release. And then this news has come out

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and they go, oh, well, for fuck's sake, yeah, maybe.

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Speaker 1: There will be a soundtrack for the movie, Like absolutely,

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it'll be all like fucking wild Stallion Ship, like that

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song they did for Bill and Ted. The first movie

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that popped into my head is like a reference point

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for this is that weird al movie that came out

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with Daniel Radcliffe. I can imagine it being like a

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you know, a tongue in cheek kind of by opic

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like that. Maybe Weeze will play themselves. I wouldn't be

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surprised if they had, like, you know, again, almost Daniel

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Raagliff scenario of.

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Speaker 2: Like you I could see Daniel Radliff.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll do it again. But yeah, but like I

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can imagine them doing some kind of biopic. And remember again,

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this is like pulling a morsel out of the depths

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of my brain from when we did the full length

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Weezer special, when I dug up every bit of stupid

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internet history that we have ever done. But when they

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appeared in that Fred video and it was just like

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them and it's like, oh my god, it's Weezer and

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he met them. I can imagine some kind of biopic

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like that happening. And then weez Are themselves appear for

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like a scene there was like.

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Speaker 2: Like really shitty Christmas movie from like two years ago

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that weeze were in just as like a guy's band,

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and they were just and they played like a Weezer

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song at the end. I was like, the fuck are

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you doing Weezer? Like this is like the real like

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low point of being a Weezer fan post weez Yeah,

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my exhaustion with that band. And then in this terror

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movie I was like, oh god, it's not a good time.

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Speaker 1: Like I say, my my my instinct is a a

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comedic you know, tongue in cheeks or of postmodern you know,

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faux biopic. But maybe it will be really really serious

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and that will be the thing that took us all

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off guard. Maybe it will actually be like you know,

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Rivers really pouring his heart into something, the most he's

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done since Pinkton Pinks in the movie Oh God.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, now that you've you've just said that, I

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have heard rumors that Weeza the next time is they're

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reworking some songs from songs in the black Hole. Could

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this be the movie musical? Oh rock opera? Holy shit,

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that's an idea.

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Speaker 1: Wow, hell, it's gonna be the full on the Weezer

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space Opera. I mean, matter if we got like, you know,

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Weezer's version of the Wall or something, but like in space.

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three minutes and we've already thrown out so many good ideas.

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I can't wait to see all of them be ignored,

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but hopefully some of them. So yeah, absolutely the top

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story of the week. Weezer movie. Fuck off Leek Token,

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it's no really sleep Token UK top ten hit with

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their single Caramel that came out recently. It's doing, you know,

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similarly pretty damn well in like, you know, the US

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Billboard charts you would expect. There's a YouTube show that

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I watch of a guy who like rounds up the

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Billboard one hundred because it's some of the only way

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actually like enormous, but nothing rock ever ever gets in there.

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to where it's been like, oh, you know one of

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and that got into like you know, the billboard and

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all that. You know, a new band like sleep Token,

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Speaker 2: There's a blast beat at one point, isn't there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But I think this is just one of those

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like fucking hell another like you know, Notch on the Belt,

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another record fucking you know, smashed. At this stage, it

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feels pretty almost uncontroversial to say that Sleep Token are

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the most popular breakthrough bands since I mean, at least

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bring the horizon. But certainly I think in terms of

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immediately short time, yeah, like like clip my chemical Romance

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really is what we're talking about. Last like actual cultural

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event of a band like that, so fucking a yeah,

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Speaker 2: Said, I think it was what it was. It was

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that selling out the O two in a day. I

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was like, yeah, don't better get sleep Token. Like whatever

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my feelings are on them, like that, I've decided like

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the Bents and Boon of metal at this point, like

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that's that is how I view them, and that like

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they are identical, but yeah, fuck it, they're huge, Like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, to give them some credit. I

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listened to the song, and I do think it's maybe

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the first time that I've a sleep Token song and

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that thing people say where our pop fans will like

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it will be this crossover thing. It's the first time

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that that makes sense, and that seems to be back

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to by the numbers and the fact that I have

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something nice to say about it makes it maybe the

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greatest sleeptoken song to date. So if one of them

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is going to go in top ten, it might as

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well be my favorites.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't share those feelings necessarily, but again

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in terms of them breaking through every conceivable thing, and

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I think just acknowledging as we said, the scale that

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as ever, you know they are where they are. Let's

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move on to The Dirty Nil who have also pretty

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rapidly got another album coming out. Their album can be

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called The Lash, which I hope is about just like

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I know, a pub crawl or something, but it's going

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to be out on the twenty fifth of July twenty

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twenty five. I was really I was taken aback by this.

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I was like, wasn't there any one just like last

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Speaker 1: Yet absolutely so you know, they churn them out as well.

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they want to at least appear as a heavy metal band.

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kind of like heavy metals touches in there, Like I mean,

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it was away a bit more Metallica, i'd say, but

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this is the person there's kind of like iron made

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in Leeds in the kind of the Dirty Nails melodic

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punk thing, and I'm like, yeah, cool like that. They're

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the band with the characters of that. Of all the

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melodic punk bands that I love, they're the one with

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the character to pull off Gaga behavior Metals if they

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they lean into that, I'm excited. Yeah.

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than so many the other melodic punk bands of their

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milk is that heavy metal thing. And I mean seeing

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the album cover for the first time, it just it

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speaks to me a lot a sort of spiritual level,

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that sort of look that make it look like an

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old tape.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the way it actually looks like a

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cassette te where you've got like the trap list down

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Speaker 3: Is yeah yeah yeah, and the song like you say,

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like a bit more unmaide in there. It's a cool

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switch by guess, because often the dirty Hill end of

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is a coolot, especially because the last record, which you know,

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more like a a continuation from FUNCKR than the previous records.

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so if this one is the heavy metal one as

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a characteristic, it's definitely something to be excited about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so when that comes out in July, I'm

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sure that many many people listening will be all the

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fuck over it. So there you go, the new Nil album.

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A few tour announcements. Over in the US, Alice Cooper

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and Judith Priest have announced a big old co headline tour,

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which is a you know, very nice evening for fans

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of the nineteen seventies and early eighties, I suppose, but

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you know, in a huge US tour, bringing Corrosiona Conformity

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along as I Sport Act as well, which is certainly

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sweetens the deal. Over Here in the UK, some smaller

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tours but perhaps no that's exciting better. Lovers have announced

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a full on, you know, European but also you know,

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a UK tour. They're bringing along sixty eight and gray

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Haven and they are playing in you know, kind of

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a various few cities around the UK, including some smaller places,

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like they're playing in Liverpool, they're playing in Torquie, Portsmouth, Bournemouth,

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so you know, nicely better lovers kind of getting out

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Speaker 2: Kind of guys, this isn't coming near my way, but

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it's it's cool to see them sort of come back around.

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There's like very good live and if it is coming

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to you, I would recommend going to see them.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even take notice of the fact that there

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is a London date on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not a London date on this one night, which

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I'm I'm fine with you and know they've played London.

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I've seen him a bunch of times. Yeah, they've played

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London a load, So like it's fine. I won't be selfish,

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but yeah, if it's coming there, you go see them

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because they are really good live.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never seen a Josh Scoggin band, so so

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maybe this would be, you know, the time to go

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and see six.

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Speaker 2: Six year are good kind of pairing as well with

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them and that there's an there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Into Armor have announced a handful of UK dates around

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their appearance at arp Tangent Festival, so if you would

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like see inter Arma and you're not going to Art

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Tangent Festival, then you have a few opportunity to do so.

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They're playing in London, Glasgow, Somerset obviously some actually is

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Arttangent Festival, and also Leicester, which I'm really annoyed that

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after my planned trip to Leicester earlier this year fell

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through because not enough people bought tickets. Now another band

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I would absolutely go and see. I have played Leicester

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instead of anywhere actually closer to me. I want to

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fucking see inter Armor again, particularly headlining, but you know,

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a few chances to see them. I know that their

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last album was actually maybe the most popular to date

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amongst the you know, the t and M audience. So

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new into Armor tour dates in the UK and also

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something that I can make and I'm very excited about

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is Portal have announced their first European and UK dates.

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I think these their first UK dates in a decade.

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They haven't been here since I think it was Temple's

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Festival twenty and fifteen, which is a marker of an era,

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isn't it. But I actually a good handful of UK

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dates London, Glass Go, then they're hopping over to Ireland

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for Dublin, coming back to the UK for Manchester. I

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have my ticket to go and see him in Manchester,

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So gonna see the big Clock or the big tentacle

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or whatever he is. Elliott, you are a tempted to

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go and pay your respects to the Clock?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was thinking of it anywhere, and

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then when I saw the thing about being the first

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shows in the deck, which someone has completely passed me by.

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I don't know where that's got it. I smiled in

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my head they'd been more recently than that, but I

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should have been looking at the clock.

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Speaker 1: He Yeah, I think that the Loon the London date

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has vacuous opening, and I'm actually very jealous of that.

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I wish they were doing the whole thing because you

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know that Vaculo's album review couple monthsgo still very very

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good doing. Courage people go and check that one out.

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And then we're going to end the news just paying

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our respects really to another you know, kind of icon

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of heavy metal to have have passed away this last week.

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The classic nineteen seventies period drummer for the one and

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Only Judas priest Les Binks passed away, who Lesbinks, you know,

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only played on two Judas Priest records. He played on

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Stained Class and Killing Machine, and the drumming position is

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the one that Judas Priests kind of most regularly swapped,

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you know, over the years. I tell they got Scott Travis.

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obviously has had thirty years in that band, Les Binks

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is maybe like the the name of a drummer in

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Judas Priest who you would hear name dropped the most.

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on Stained Class and that drum intro and exciter is

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one of those moments that is kind of like heavy

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metal drumming being pushed forward a little notch a song

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like Excited. So I regularly kind of cited as like

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kind of the almost like the og speed metal tune

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to the point that maybe the greatest speed metal band

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just lifted their name from it, and that was the band,

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but as a performance on a record, and then go

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into the Killer Machine as well. That's the period where

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Judas Priest most clearly lock into the like chrome steel

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metallic far lost zone that we sort of know Jews

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Priest to be in and you gotta imagine them getting

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a dumber like Les Banks on that record was kind

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of part of what helped spur that on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, like, to me, he is the guy

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that pioneered that double bass thing. I feel like every

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time you watch a sort of documentary with heavy metal,

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they look to overkill. But that came out a year

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later when size and it's basically like it's the same

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sort of thing. And I struggled to think of many

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people in the history of heavy metal who have had

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like as densely classic a run with a band because

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he's in the band for what two years, and the

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terms he puts out our staying class killing machine and

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lest we forget unleashed in the East fucking right, Yeah,

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is a contender for like arguably one of the most

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classic metal live albums there's ever been. And you know

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he's the guy on that. And you know, Scott Travisty's

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had thirty five years in the band, He's had like

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more time to sort of established himself in that sense,

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But in just two years, Les Binks was able to

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mark himself as, like you say, maybe the sort of

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silver medal position in the Judas Priest thing in terms

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of the one you're going to like you to name

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job and those records as them transitioning into like you say,

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that more heavy metal chrome thing. He brings so much

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like excitement if you're part of the part to those records,

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Like there's so much more explosive and fun and frantic

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than the records that came before. And even though he

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was only on those two, you can tell that on

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the records afterwards. He's sort of the one that laid

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maybe laid the blueprint for the sort of drummer that

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Judas Priest required to make that leap forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you could look at the you know,

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the drumming intro on Painkiller as almost just being like

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a decade a long from what the intro of Stained Glass,

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you know, kind of set out there, and I think

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you've got a writing credit and beyond the Realms of

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Death as well, which you know, like one of the

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great all time certainly of that era, you know, metal ballads.

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And I know he was actually kind of active until

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you know, relatively recent recently doing appearances with Kk's Priest

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as well, so he was kind of still you know,

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appearing and make himself known. So as said, you know,

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like I think Elli's put it very well. There very

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little dense period of the records that he's most known for,

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but they are records that really and his you know

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contribution to them specifically really helped forge the DNA of

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heavy metal as a whole. So I listened to Stained

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class this morning. I recommend everyone else go out and

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do the same, and then slap on killing Machine while

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you're at it. So yeah, rest in peace, Les Binks.

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Let us very quickly mention what we have got going

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on in TNM land right now. First of all, last

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week we embarked on a brand new band special that

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we are doing that we are gonna, you know, kind

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of get wrapped up downe and dust within a sort

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of a month or so. But we started on the new

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special on one of the fight first and final words

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in metalcore none of them poison the well, and our

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first part we spoke about their origins and their first

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to most centrally pivotal to the DNA of metalcore and

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the trajectory of albums that was being opposite of December

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and tear Slash. Here we couldn't quite work out, but

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we think it's Teir Tear from the Red Sam this

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was a special that you were, you know, chomping at

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the bit, very very giddy getting into It's been a

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beautiful thing listening to those records. I'm looking forward to

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in a you know, a couple of weeks time when

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we get into the latter half and we've got like

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at least one more like regularly name dropped sort of

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classic album, but also some very underdiscussed stuff which I'm

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look forward to getting to as well. But when we

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look at the part we've just done, the first leg

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of the Poison the World career, what are your sort

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of reflections on that podcast that we did.

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Speaker 2: I mean, to me, it was just a bit like

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excited flailing about talking about those two albums and just

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kind of be like, yeah, but that drum and that

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snare sound and that breakdown and that bit and the

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lyrics and just all of these things are kind of

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coming to me like it's all so good, Like obviously

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have December is the one where again just like that

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snare sound like is just perfect that album, Like I

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listened to the album so regularly at this point because

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it's just such an easy twenty eight minutes of like

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perfect like completely flawless metalcore, but just kind of like

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as well just talking about like the debut, going back

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the EP and and the kind of like how much

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they've already got figured out on that EP and just

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again like metalcore for all its you know, real metalcore

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discords right now, like them reinventing a sort of a

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like a sort of growing new genre and then kind

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of just like defining the sound of it for the

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next how many years to come. It's such a like

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cool kind of like Journey to Track and again just

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two like timeless classic Metalcorp albums that like. And it's

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been really nice to Savio see people in the discord

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coming like you know, I've ne reaction listen to Poison

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in the World before opposite of December Snare sound.

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as said we said Born announced it, and we said

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on the special itself, it's a band who are very

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very regularly name dropped. They are a band who their

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influence is almost spoken about more often than I know

475
00:21:49,519 --> 00:21:51,920
people maybe knowing the records to a degree, And so

476
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,400
if you know, you kind of need that impossible, Okay,

477
00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,079
I actually finally need to go and check out those

478
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,960
early Pointon and Wild records and see what they did.

479
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,279
I really hope that's something that we can and you know,

480
00:22:00,519 --> 00:22:03,440
encouraged through the special. But as we said, talking about,

481
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,200
you know, what they actually did for Metalcore, what are

482
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:10,200
the specifics of what they changed, because Metalcore does exist

483
00:22:10,319 --> 00:22:13,000
before Poison, well we speak about you know, Integrity and

484
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,319
Earth Crisis and Coalesce, all these bands exist, right, but

485
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,960
what do on you know, that first EP and the

486
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,440
Office December and then what do they quite heavily expand

487
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:22,680
on Tear from the Red as well, which wuld be

488
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,480
one of the highlights of at least that first leg

489
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,079
for me, being like Dan, there is a leap between

490
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,640
those two records alone, you know, just dialing into what

491
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,359
did Poison the World do differently that made them so

492
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,839
important and made them kind of the blueprint for the

493
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following twenty five years is the good conversation that we

494
00:22:38,279 --> 00:22:40,599
were having all over there. So that has just gone

495
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up on the that stile. Patreon as said, you know,

496
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,680
kind of in a couple of weeks will come around

497
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,440
and we'll finish it off and do the next part.

498
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,000
But before then, as is, you know, usually customary. We've

499
00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,640
got a review show right here, so therefore we've also

500
00:22:52,759 --> 00:22:55,599
got an album club pack coming up, and so I'm

501
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:57,519
gonna let you know what is going to be, you know,

502
00:22:57,599 --> 00:22:59,960
discussions that are going to becoming very vers in. It

503
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,319
feels like it hasn't even been a month since, you know,

504
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,039
the last one where we were speak about, you know,

505
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:06,279
integrity to mention them, but also Heaven and Hell and

506
00:23:06,319 --> 00:23:08,839
these other great things. But we do have always we've

507
00:23:08,839 --> 00:23:13,240
always got more records to talk about. So firstly, something

508
00:23:13,279 --> 00:23:16,440
that was suggested by Elliott here as like we do

509
00:23:16,559 --> 00:23:18,240
have to do the big dogs every now and then,

510
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,519
the albums that are everyone does know them, but sometimes

511
00:23:21,519 --> 00:23:24,480
you've just got to go, damn, this shit is really

512
00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:27,279
worth everything that people say about it. We're gonna talk

513
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:33,039
about Megadeths nineteen ninety thrash metal masterpiece rust In Peace,

514
00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:36,680
and Sam's pulling a face, but you know, Rusting Piece.

515
00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 2: Is doing I know, I know, I know, you know.

516
00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: And I like making you suck it up and talk

517
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,880
about how great Megadeth actually were sometimes. So you know,

518
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,119
Elliott was like, has Rusted Peace never been an album club?

519
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,039
And I was like, that seems wrong. You might be right,

520
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:55,359
so we're gonna do it. Then we are going to

521
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,400
talk about one of the angriest, heaviest records for one

522
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,039
of the all time great heavy bands, Killing Jokes two

523
00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:08,519
thousand and three self titled record. It's going to be

524
00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:12,160
a hoot, even though it's actually really fucking miserable for

525
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:17,319
very very good reasons. But what a record. Then ahead

526
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,799
of an appearance at Outbreak this summer, it's about that

527
00:24:20,839 --> 00:24:22,680
time where we kind of preview something going on there

528
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:25,319
and as it was the thing in the very first

529
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,599
announcement that I think people were like, oh my god,

530
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,720
they're coming back to the UK. We're going to be

531
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:35,240
doing Sunny Day real Estates, Emo Landmark record Diary. And

532
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:40,200
then in the underground slot we are going to be

533
00:24:40,319 --> 00:24:44,880
talking about one of the almost like the it's a

534
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,839
comeback album, but it's also a standard setter for what

535
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,119
the new thing was going to be. We're going to

536
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:55,200
be talking about Gore Guts, one of the ultimate progressive

537
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:59,160
technical avant garde even death metal bands, and they're twenty

538
00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:04,160
thirteen album colored Sands, one of the heaviest fucking between

539
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,799
that in killinge it's a heavy episode, but there we

540
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,359
go those are going to be the album club discussions

541
00:25:10,559 --> 00:25:13,519
coming up next week if we, you know, are our

542
00:25:13,559 --> 00:25:15,119
own time, which we bloody well should be, so there

543
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,400
you go. That will be what happens That is going

544
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,759
to be on patron dot com slash That's None Matter,

545
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:21,839
along with the current Poison the World Special and the

546
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recently completed you know, Black Sabbath non ads years. Everything

547
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we've done is over there, and your support over there

548
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:29,400
is what keeps this podcast a float all these years,

549
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,000
So thank you very much. Let us get into what

550
00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:35,680
we're actually here to properly do, which is the reviews

551
00:25:35,799 --> 00:25:38,920
episode for April, starting off with an album that came

552
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,839
out at the end of March because March was too

553
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,920
damn busy on its own, right, Butts, we've got some

554
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,559
good stuff to talk about, and we're going to start off,

555
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,240
as said very different energy on these first couple of

556
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:52,279
reviews at the Gate in the last reviews episode we did.

557
00:25:52,279 --> 00:25:54,039
We've got a couple of hot, hot, hot records. We're

558
00:25:54,039 --> 00:25:56,839
gonna start with Death Heaven and their album Lonely People

559
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:00,799
with Power, released through Roadrunner. Kind of surprisingly, we are,

560
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,319
you know, we're later on this than everyone else because,

561
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:05,079
as I said, March was so so busy we had

562
00:26:05,079 --> 00:26:07,920
to sit on something. But it means we have been

563
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,839
able to see that this album has actually gone down

564
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,480
with quite a bit of critical acclaim, and I'd always

565
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:17,079
expect that to a degree with Death Heaven. I don't

566
00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:20,839
think even though you know, Infinite Granite understandably split people.

567
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,440
I don't think Death Heaven have ever had like a

568
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,319
poorly reviewed album. But as I say, at least critically,

569
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:31,400
there seems to be almost a renewed burst of enthusias

570
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,319
for Death Heaven that I've observed as as this one

571
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:34,720
has come out, like a lot of people throwing out,

572
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,160
you like the album of the Dimensions or whatever. This album,

573
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,480
you know, a good two three weeks on from its release,

574
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:43,160
seems to have really kind of lit a fire into people.

575
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,559
Speaker 2: I mean I can vouch for that. Like again, I

576
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,160
liked Infinite Granite, but it was kind of like a

577
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,839
like okay, kind of hinges on where did they go

578
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:55,200
following on from this? But when I got this and

579
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,960
I was like, ah, Death Heaven are a special band,

580
00:26:58,319 --> 00:27:00,319
Like they are one of like the genuinely kind of

581
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,359
like high marks of like what artistic heavy music should be.

582
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,240
This album has completely gone, like we we we really

583
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,359
got to like appreciate that we're in a time where

584
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,519
death Evan are active, because I think this is fucking spectacular,

585
00:27:12,599 --> 00:27:14,920
this record, and it has made me appreciate Infinite Grantite

586
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,200
even more as a kind of like interesting. And I

587
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,319
guess because because they did, you know, incat they went

588
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,680
pure shoe gays on that, it's meant them coming back

589
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,440
with this album. It's felt even more exciting because I've

590
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:26,799
kind of like we've kind of had a few years

591
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:30,440
without this kind of Death Heaven sounds, so I kind

592
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,599
of fully get why everyone is fully just like salivating

593
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,039
over this.

594
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:35,319
Speaker 1: Well.

595
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 3: I mean that Death Heaven released four fucking brilliant sort

596
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,240
of post black metal records in seven years, and it's

597
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,799
been that much time since the last one in that

598
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,039
style like Infinite Granted, I have warm sort of overtime.

599
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,960
I was pretty disappointed by it when it came out,

600
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:55,119
and I think it's mainly because that scene feels fairly oversaturated.

601
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,640
So even though Death Heaven came along and did a

602
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:01,000
really good job of doing it, yeah, I was reserving

603
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,400
judgment on that record to see what they did next.

604
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,799
And you know, three and a half four years later

605
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,880
them coming back with this, it does feel like in

606
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,680
terms of critical acclaim aspects, everything sort of lines up perfectly.

607
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:16,720
It's like you come back with an exceptional record that

608
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,680
you know, takes the best stuff from your controversial record

609
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:25,759
and you know, shapes it into something new, in something

610
00:28:25,759 --> 00:28:29,279
where fans new and old. I kind of I find

611
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,319
it hard to believe that you would like Death Heaven

612
00:28:31,599 --> 00:28:32,640
and not this record.

613
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, I still like to hold

614
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,720
some level of ownership over them as an extreme band,

615
00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:39,240
because I do think they, you know, are I think

616
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,680
this record gets pretty metal. They're playing Damnation at the

617
00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:43,880
end of the year. But we are still talking about

618
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,839
a band who this album has been reviewed in Forbes

619
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,200
alongside like us, right, they are still in like a

620
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,680
bit of a field of one, and I think we're

621
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,559
at the stage where we are, you know, sort of

622
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,559
Death Heaven, you know, eleven twelve years ago, whenever they

623
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,000
might have been in the midst of some kind of

624
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,680
like black metal culture war or whatever where. Even though

625
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,079
they were the most critically acclaimed heavy band on the

626
00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:08,119
planet in twenty thirteen, their name also seemed to come

627
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:09,720
with like, oh, do you love them or hate them

628
00:29:09,759 --> 00:29:13,279
whatever fifteen years in. Now they basically outlasted all of that.

629
00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:14,880
They've got six albums under their beout now, and I

630
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,960
think we can just talk about them being like one

631
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,160
of the modern grapes, which has Sam you know, very

632
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,200
much led in with you know they are and you know,

633
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,319
we appreciate those bands while they're here being that great.

634
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,079
I think this album is as much a kind of know,

635
00:29:27,119 --> 00:29:30,000
a cementation of where Death Heaven, of what Death Heaven

636
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,799
are and you know, what they have been over all

637
00:29:31,839 --> 00:29:34,200
these years as well as much as it is anything else.

638
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,200
And it's like it's funny. I don't think Death Heaven

639
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,599
have like I don't think they would do a self

640
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,039
titled album. I think they're two, like know, concerned with

641
00:29:43,079 --> 00:29:45,920
poetry and exploring their individual ideas one to one. But

642
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,599
it's almost like an album that just off the sound

643
00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:50,839
of it and how it feels. I could imagine this

644
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,079
being Death Heaven's self titled album. You know, like there

645
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:56,519
are you know, there are surprises and kind of alarming

646
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:59,839
passages and stuff as we'll get into. But I put

647
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:01,920
on this record, and maybe more so than any other

648
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,519
Death Heaven record, I felt just a sense of sort

649
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:08,799
of assurance about it, like you know, Infinite Granite is

650
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:13,160
or even all very correct. Human love is kind of comforting,

651
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,680
and it is cushiony, lovely kind of sounds. But it

652
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,880
was almost more like knowing where I'm kind of at

653
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,920
with it, I suppose, more so than maybe some previous records,

654
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,640
which felt more and the discovery to a degree. I

655
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:26,960
was gonna do a little bit of a you know,

656
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,920
sort of a show of hands on who liked Infinite Granite,

657
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,440
who didn't. I really like that album. I think, you know,

658
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:33,799
for as much as you could say about them moving

659
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:36,839
into a you know, something that is less distinct and

660
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,480
is more overcrowded or whatever, I still think there was

661
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:41,640
tons of you know, immediately identifiable Death Heaven in it.

662
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,000
It wasn't like they just went and made like a

663
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:46,400
narrow Head album or something like there was it's full on, yeah.

664
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,759
I mean even at the end when you know, mom

665
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:50,920
baster happens and stuff that's only happening from from Death Heaven.

666
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640
I really loved seeing them touring that album and then

667
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,440
seeing the different side of Death Heaven in the live

668
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:58,920
environment when they're performing, like you know, like great Massive

669
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,279
Color and those songs which I think are fantastic. I

670
00:31:01,319 --> 00:31:04,759
think it is. You know, it's like Alcest Shelter or

671
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,039
Wolven the Throoms, Celestite or whatever. Like you know, albums

672
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,680
I'm happy to have in the catalog, even if they're

673
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,480
not going to be positioned as like the definitive article.

674
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,400
I also wasn't really at all surprise when the follow

675
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,640
up would go a bit more metal, because as those

676
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,799
precedents demonstrate, I think of these bands kind of do

677
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,279
a lot of the time right as part of the creativity.

678
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:26,960
And the band who released Black Brick right before Infinite Granite,

679
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,839
like you know, they were going to be both and

680
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:30,559
as said the infant Grant even had that little bit

681
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,519
of kind of black metally taste at the end. With

682
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:36,119
that in mind, I wasn't going into this album with

683
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:38,680
what I've seen from a you know, a limited but

684
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,799
still out there group of people are like, oh thank god,

685
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,079
it's so much better than Infinite Granite. It was more

686
00:31:43,119 --> 00:31:45,240
like a you know, what have we got? And yeah,

687
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,640
I mean I think we can all agree. I think

688
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,559
they're for me. There's six for six on the albums.

689
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,599
I thought Infinite Granite was great, I think this one

690
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,440
is great, whether it is, you know, the top end

691
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,319
of the Death Heaving catalog is a different question maybe,

692
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:58,720
but I think we are just fundamentally we're fifteen years

693
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,359
into a continue, really very rewarding journey that we're going

694
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,599
on with them.

695
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I like the things. I don't

696
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,839
want to like the sparage in Phinic Grantwe because I

697
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,200
do think the album is like really great. It was

698
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,599
just kind of like a and again I wasn't I

699
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,039
wasn't saying like death and when they were definitely want

700
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:14,440
to band in the sort but it was kind of

701
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,559
like a if they do, do do we kind of

702
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,039
lose like like a special band to just being like

703
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,960
a really great band. But I just think the thing

704
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,599
is that thing about them as well, is it's not

705
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,400
just a kind of like we're back to doing someun

706
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,799
bay forrig and whatever. It's I mean, you're right, is

707
00:32:28,839 --> 00:32:30,559
it in the sort of self type like this is

708
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,920
the most Deaf Heaven album where it's kind of covering

709
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:36,680
all of the sort of like because again, each of

710
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,720
the previous albums has a kind of distinct over to

711
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,240
it because like ordinary Coruption Human Love, whilst's still kind

712
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,720
of in the sort of black best thing. It's way

713
00:32:43,759 --> 00:32:46,480
more kind of like floaty and kind of like has

714
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:50,000
weird kind of like album Yeah, and then yeah, there's

715
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,799
the indie stuff. There's you know, the Brian May style

716
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,079
guitar lead work and all that sort of like things

717
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,920
things like that on there. So like they they've they've

718
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,480
got distinct characteristics of each albums, and this some kind

719
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,920
of like takes bits from all of them and it

720
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,440
seems like sort of sows all together in like really

721
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,440
cohesive package whilst bringing in kind of new experimentations as well.

722
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:09,799
And I just think it just creates such a like

723
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,960
immersive and rewarding listen.

724
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Death Heaven I think are one of

725
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:18,400
those bands who, in some ways in a slightly funny

726
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,440
position because their second album is long cemented as a classic,

727
00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,200
so they no longer have to chase that thing anymore,

728
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,839
in the sense that whatever Death Heaven do, they'll always

729
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,599
have that and I suspect they won't ever release something

730
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,759
which surpasses it as the classic Death Heaven record. But

731
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:39,519
in many ways, like you've both said, this is the

732
00:33:39,559 --> 00:33:42,640
most definitive Death Heaven record because all the things they

733
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,839
try across their records they're all present here, and I mean,

734
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,799
we're all going to start, you know, frocking out brilliant.

735
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:51,480
This album is, I'll be honest. First few listens I

736
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,079
liked it, but I wasn't head over heels from the

737
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:58,279
old and it was kind of torture trying to get

738
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,920
my thoughts straight, because when Infinite Granite came out, I went, ah, well,

739
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,079
you know, I like this. They're good at it, but

740
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:06,440
it's not quite as special as what they were doing before.

741
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,199
With this one, it was like, you've got the recipe perfect.

742
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,159
But for whatever reason, I wasn't connecting with it in

743
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:13,400
the way I connected with the first four. And I

744
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,679
don't know why, because I've not had some Eureka moment.

745
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,440
It's not like it's had to click with me. I'm

746
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,280
already familiar with their sound. I already like it. But

747
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:26,119
forever reason four to five listens in, it totally cemented itself.

748
00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:30,199
And now i'd give Infinite grant it maybe a seven.

749
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,480
Everything else is at least a nine. This is in

750
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:36,599
that echelon, like the echelon of the Nines. Plus I

751
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,400
associate it in that sort of company.

752
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,599
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, I'm maybe sort of similar in terms of like,

753
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:45,480
you know, it has continually you know, impressed me on

754
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:49,039
repeat listens, and maybe part of it is it was

755
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:51,199
quite a surprise seeing so many tracks on a Death

756
00:34:51,199 --> 00:34:53,800
Heaven album, because I know, obviously there are the three

757
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:57,760
incidental interlude tracks, but even that that leaves nine songs

758
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:01,199
and the standard or Death Heaven, you know, what's a

759
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,039
heavier black metal influenced one is more like kind of

760
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:06,800
five to seven songs, you know, and we've not got

761
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,719
any songs over ten minutes, which is maybe something that

762
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,679
they are, you know, carrying on that approach of infinite granite,

763
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,559
that sort of conciseness, but the amount of the song

764
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,920
still it turns into I think it's their longest album.

765
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,400
And so the digesting process was different than me when

766
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,239
I put on you know, the breakthrough Days of some

767
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,559
Bathe into New Bermuda, It's like I've got four to

768
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:27,719
five huge pieces to get my head around. Yeah, this

769
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,480
was almost more like, so what is every single song here? Like,

770
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,400
what does every track kind of do and offer to

771
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:36,079
the you know, the overall kind of parcel, And you know,

772
00:35:36,119 --> 00:35:38,119
we get quite a lot is you know, it spreads

773
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:39,800
its wings a decent bit and you know, the thought

774
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,639
was when we got Magnolia that it would be their

775
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:46,039
most metallic album, certainly since New Bermuda. And there is

776
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,000
something about this coming on like the tenth anniversary of

777
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,639
New Bermuda that feels quite fitting. But there's also much

778
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,000
more to it around that kind of parameter, and it

779
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,519
does feel like, you know, basically the the the compositional

780
00:35:57,559 --> 00:35:59,840
lessons and stuff and the things that they've developed across

781
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,679
every album since sun Batha all kind of like you know,

782
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,960
pop up here in some you know shape, shape or form.

783
00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:08,880
I do like just to go into the metal side.

784
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:11,800
It's from you know, New Bermuda on. When they do

785
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,840
metal riffs, they have this real just like compact punchiness

786
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,920
to it, which is different to you know, some Batha

787
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,880
and certainly Roads supposed to Doda, and you know, it's

788
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,039
not even the most brutal example of it, which comes

789
00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:24,159
later on, but like just the opening riff on Doberman

790
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,280
when it starts is expressive and it's got a sonic

791
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,400
depth to it, but it's also really like a wallop

792
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,360
and just that you know, throughout the rest of the

793
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,760
album is I think just one of the best sounds

794
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,239
that a metal band has at the moment.

795
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,039
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. Is the thing that opening

796
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:40,440
guitar part on Dobman, I was like, ah, I mean

797
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,760
it was so just immediately like this is what I

798
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,840
want from death and the sort of the river that

799
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,840
begins Magnolia is the one for me in terms of

800
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,599
just like smacking on the face and just sounding so nasty,

801
00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:53,840
but like, is that kind of like intermit between the

802
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,760
receunding nasty and then beautiful and uplifting kind of all

803
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,920
at the same time. And I think it's it's the

804
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,599
sound that that like the best Evan really hits on

805
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,159
for me, is is that like making black metal sound

806
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,960
like the most gorgeous, like life affirming music ever, like

807
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:11,880
which again I wouldn't be saying many other black metal

808
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,159
bands do that for me, but Death Heaven have that

809
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:18,039
magic and they do it so many times across this album.

810
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,159
Speaker 3: Which the way they slalom between those two things because Doberman,

811
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,159
you know, as much as the beautiful, serene end of

812
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,840
Black Melt is sort of Death Heaven's calling card, this

813
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,760
is so ferocious, like it's so hard hitting and but

814
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,159
you know when it goes in that sort of downbeat, rolling,

815
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000
lasting thing it's as good as black metal this stripe gets,

816
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,840
and there's just a real punchiness to it, which contrasts

817
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,360
so nicely with so much sort of post black metal

818
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,320
or black metal, black gaze, or whatever you choose to

819
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,400
call it. It could almost feel so ethereal to the

820
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,119
point of almost feeling like ambient music. And it's so

821
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,440
shapeless that even when the hard hitting moments come, they

822
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:05,280
don't really land anything. Whereas in a quite different way

823
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,079
but not too dissimilar, sometimes this will hit in a

824
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:10,840
way that doesn't feel that feels related to something not

825
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,800
loose you. I mean, like it's that sort of in

826
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,239
your chest. Yeah, I mean, and that sounds a bit

827
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,760
mad on paper, but you listen to this record and

828
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,840
you remember the stuff they were doing on New Bermuda,

829
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,679
and suddenly it makes a whole heap of sense. And

830
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:27,840
the way that it's not just you know, heavy song

831
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,519
lights on heavy song, lights song. The songs themselves offer

832
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:35,639
up both sides and Doberman as the first track proper

833
00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:38,880
if you are to be excited by a Death Heaven record,

834
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:42,719
I struggled to think of what would be a more affirming,

835
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:47,079
comforting sound than something that both nasty and beautiful.

836
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,639
Speaker 2: There's like before like the bit where it goes like

837
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,400
really dreamy and soft. In Dobman, there's a bit like

838
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,480
it's like like actually like stompying heavy and light. That's

839
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,440
like the not loose sort comparison to come through because

840
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,480
you hit that and then it just drops out into

841
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:01,679
full sort of dream part and then you know that's

842
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,559
kind of just gonna build to this like final crescendo,

843
00:39:04,639 --> 00:39:07,360
and it's like, yep, over like one song, you kind

844
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,519
of you hit everything I want from from Death Evan,

845
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,639
and I know there's still gonna be so much more

846
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:13,519
for this album to offer. But it was like Doberman

847
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:16,719
Interomagnoda was just kind of like such a assuring like

848
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:19,280
I'm in for the long haul with this album. I

849
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,719
know it's an hour long and there's a lot of songs,

850
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,960
but those two just sort of they just set me

851
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,159
in the mood, and I was like, I'm just gonna,

852
00:39:24,199 --> 00:39:25,800
you know, just sit back and let the album to

853
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,360
kind of wash over me now and just take in

854
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:29,760
every little treat that there is.

855
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Magnolia has pretty much cemented itself as

856
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,039
like everybody just fucking loves that song and immediately like

857
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:37,440
is rabid. To see it live, it reminds me of

858
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,639
you know, Brought to the Water, reminded me of like,

859
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,239
you know, from the Catworm to the Coil, but in

860
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,239
even tighter like four minutes right, which again you compare

861
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,360
this to a new Bermuda, for example, that has the

862
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,039
reputation of being in their most kind of metallic album.

863
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,679
But it's more the extremes of like you will get

864
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,079
either end in one song right this again, look at

865
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:56,880
the structure of the album. It's maybe a little more

866
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,159
defined track to track. I think maybe when you hit

867
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:02,840
a track you an't going to get an insane surprise

868
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,280
at the end of it so often, but it's more

869
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:05,920
about how they interact with the songs around it. So

870
00:40:06,159 --> 00:40:09,000
Magnolia is pretty wholly a metal song. There are other

871
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,360
songs that a little bit more wholly kind of pretty songs,

872
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:13,280
and Magnolia is a case where it just pays off

873
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,360
brilliantly because the rift power in it. Uh you know,

874
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,679
I already when it came out as a single, went

875
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,960
crazy over that middle section drop in it, which is

876
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,760
a riff so good. I have been listening to other

877
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,119
songs and just thinking wouldn't it be good if that

878
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,039
Magnolia middle riff just came in here, like you know,

879
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,320
it's just like it's one of the best, Just like

880
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,559
riff moments in heavy metal this year, Daniel Tracy is

881
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,719
still the fucking man. Like that kind of opening fill

882
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,920
that he comes in with its equal parts kind of

883
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,920
like enslaved and converge. And I like when you can

884
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,679
hear a bit of thrash in Death Evans guitars, because

885
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:46,559
I think that, you know, they have this reputation of like, oh,

886
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:48,400
it's you know, it's it's black metal played by indie

887
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,280
kids or whatever, but they're also so clearly fucking metal

888
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,920
kids like that that's Metallica in stuff like that. You know,

889
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,480
the peak of Dobam, which I think is what you're

890
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:57,920
talking about, is the kind of the you know, like

891
00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,360
my Iris only has black views in that part and

892
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,159
it is, you know it. Kerry mccauy's special talent is

893
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,400
maybe being as good a metal guitarist as he is

894
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:12,760
an indie one. The Garden Route really flips into that again,

895
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,400
slightly more indie touch of that little softer approach on

896
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,800
the drums and stuff like that, and you know, hearing

897
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,320
specifically Daniel Tracy switched from Magnolia into that approach and

898
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,440
not miss a beat is just like, you know, sublime,

899
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:29,320
but on that you can hear some of those like

900
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:33,440
h more like almost like goth influences that were on

901
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:35,880
a very correct human love and that kind of glistening

902
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,239
element kind of moves into that.

903
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the gun there's a few songs on there

904
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,280
that have that really kind of like glistening yeah Goth

905
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,599
aspect to it. But the guy Reson was like, the

906
00:41:45,679 --> 00:41:47,639
driving on that is so good. The way he kind

907
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,199
of just like shifts around on those beats, it's like

908
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:52,440
you're not like playing Shapada. And it is one of

909
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,159
the more kind of like slightly shoegayzy or indie songs,

910
00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,639
but it's there's just such a like energy to the

911
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,199
drums that propels it forward. And like this is a

912
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,119
like again, if when they're not playing the most heavy stuff,

913
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,800
it feels like there's a metal band playing these songs

914
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,440
in just the enngine in the attack on them. That

915
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,360
means it never feels kind of lethargic or like a

916
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,320
bit soft to the touch. It's always got that kind

917
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:16,639
of engine rumbling in it.

918
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, one of the bands that Deaf Heaven

919
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:21,519
have always reminded me of, and they grasped one of

920
00:42:21,559 --> 00:42:23,639
my favorite elements of the band in question is Moguay,

921
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,760
and so many people just they rip off Maguay by

922
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,480
going right quite part loud, quite loud, quite loud, nice nasty,

923
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,400
that sort of thing. Death Evans seems to really understand

924
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:39,679
that band's use of tension, and this song, this one

925
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,000
in particularly, it really reminded me of something like Common

926
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:45,599
Die Young, which that whole record is basically bracing for

927
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:50,440
the lost. Yeah is it? I think it's punk rock

928
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,320
and cody yeah like, which is like the first two songs. Yeah,

929
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,800
so completely forgot that that might be the connection I'm making.

930
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:01,960
But the way that album goes noisy, Death Heaven are

931
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,000
willing to employ that here. And you know, it's a

932
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:07,000
bit of a cliche people going, oh, post rocks actually

933
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,360
the heaviest style of music in the world, but Death

934
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,440
Heaven as a band can make it feel that way

935
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,159
because on the following song Heathen, where they exaggerate that

936
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,400
dynamic even more, it sounds furious.

937
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:20,599
Speaker 1: Yeah. I would also say that in the Garden, Root

938
00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:24,880
and Heathen are like almost like verse chorus structured more

939
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,239
than you Know, So I think again that's something they've

940
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,360
taken almost from Infinite Granite, where all the correct human

941
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,320
love and certainly Before you Know is much more that

942
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,800
kind of linear approach, whereas these songs do have, like

943
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,840
you know, Heathen is like a banger in a way

944
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,159
that only Death Heaven would put together a you know

945
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:43,880
kind of a banger.

946
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 2: I love that on Heaven. The melody it's the guitars

947
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,400
of the chorus melody like yeah, because you're just screaming

948
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,480
on those choruses and it's nice, but you've you've got

949
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,960
that guitar line just playing through that chorus, which is

950
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,000
so catchy and kind of uplifting, and I think that's

951
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,280
such a like cool trick. And again, like when sort

952
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:01,400
of the back end of that track, when it like

953
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,719
doubles down on the metal side after the sort of

954
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,679
the pushing pow of like the indie and the metal

955
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,159
on the first half and it just kind of let's rip.

956
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,440
It's again, just such a satisfying thrill when they do that.

957
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:12,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and another song kind of later on into the

958
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:14,840
track list, but sort of following in that similar sort

959
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,440
of style, is body behavior, which it kind of is

960
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:20,960
quite upbeat in terms of how it skips along. But

961
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,119
George on it vocally, he sounds a little bit like

962
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:24,760
Mic from inter Armor when he does that real kind

963
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,039
of like kind of curling edge, you know, developing the

964
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:29,960
vocal thing. And the lyrics seem to be more of

965
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:32,880
like a almost like a character based story than what

966
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,199
we're used to from Death Heaven. It's you know, it

967
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:36,840
seems to be about some kind of like grooming or something,

968
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,679
and it reads more like a pig destroyer song, and

969
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,519
it really has this kind of you know, it's got

970
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,880
a tension and a sickliness within that, like you know,

971
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:46,719
you could call it a more lightweight kind of thing

972
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,679
they're doing, but it doesn't feel that way. I think

973
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,320
some of those songs are you know, they're they're very

974
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,599
compact and immediate and stirring are in a way that

975
00:44:56,639 --> 00:44:58,280
some of the other songs are more stretched out.

976
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:01,679
Speaker 3: Especially I mean we've lightly skips over like especially next

977
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,440
to Revelator, I mean, it sounds even more light footed

978
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,920
and you know, more of a soft touch compares that one,

979
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,519
because that is as much as that Magnolia Riff is

980
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:14,559
one of those great heavy metal rifts of the year,

981
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:16,800
Revelator might be the one better than it.

982
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: Revelator's fucking nuts.

983
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,599
Speaker 3: It sounds like frost Bit and Gojira, Like it is

984
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:30,119
so out there and so just almost obnoxious in a

985
00:45:30,119 --> 00:45:32,599
way that Death Heaven basically never are.

986
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it. It's like two notes, isn't it.

987
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:38,840
It's like a full on just tornado metal rift. The

988
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:40,960
tone on it is fucking crazy. It's like there's three

989
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,920
of that riff, like almost like you know, coming at

990
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,960
you at once from different angles. But the note, the

991
00:45:45,039 --> 00:45:49,119
riff itself is just that super insistent black metal, and

992
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,039
uh yeah, I think it mighttually be the most kind

993
00:45:51,079 --> 00:45:54,239
of you know, blast beat heavy like fast one. It's

994
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,000
that I hope that one is really going to make

995
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,400
it into live sets.

996
00:45:58,159 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: Is that blastbe that come after like the sort of

997
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,119
the acoustic passage in the middle where it's all drops out,

998
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:05,880
goes quiet, and then that blastby hits as a fucking

999
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,559
jumps girl. I was like, ah, fucking hell, that's so

1000
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:10,679
like so powerful.

1001
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was gonna bring up that song maybe

1002
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:13,880
later on because in terms of it relates to the

1003
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,480
sort of interview tracks, but we should point out in

1004
00:46:16,559 --> 00:46:20,000
the middle. There is the song Anmethyst, which is the

1005
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,880
longest song on the album, certainly the centerpiece of it.

1006
00:46:23,079 --> 00:46:27,119
And uh, that is almost where I go, like, that

1007
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,800
is what if you want to show someone what Death

1008
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,320
Heaven do. It's like from the moment that sort of

1009
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,360
looping you know, like slow divy but more goth and

1010
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,400
more heavy you know intro that then obviously developed into

1011
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,119
a full on, you know, post black metal song. It's

1012
00:46:42,119 --> 00:46:44,920
like that is that's the Death Heaven thing. That just

1013
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,960
feels like magic.

1014
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the song where again like just the sort

1015
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,239
of immersive, slow burning that like main guitar melody that

1016
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,800
they kind of loop back to again that where they

1017
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,119
put it all they put out all the right times.

1018
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,599
When it goes in the middle with the blast beat,

1019
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,280
it is breathtaking. There's like the spoken word bits and

1020
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:06,679
and there's all the kind of all the different elements

1021
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,119
of Death Heaven, like we said, they're all over this album.

1022
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,519
This this song is like kind of like condensed it

1023
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:13,880
into like I saw what a perfect eight minute package

1024
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:17,159
that like outside of you know, dreamhouses are kind of like, well,

1025
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:19,079
here's your first death Evan song that you need to hear.

1026
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,599
Atheist is in that kind of caliber of like, if

1027
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:23,840
you want to showcase this band, here you go.

1028
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think this is the best song on the record,

1029
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:32,239
both in theory, in printle and in actuality because in

1030
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,119
eight minutes it captures everything that Death Heaven a gold

1031
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:37,920
standard at and why they are one of that defining

1032
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,920
one of the defining rock and metal bands sort of

1033
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,679
their generation across all sub genres. When you think of

1034
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,440
this time in the future, you'll look back and think

1035
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,719
of Death Heaven, and I think it's stuff like this.

1036
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:50,920
It's it's not just that they were doing stuff that

1037
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,199
you know, very few people have thoughts to even do before,

1038
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,079
but do it to such a standard that it's kind

1039
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:59,400
of impossible to ignore or denight. And like, first listen

1040
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,320
to this, like you don't know when it's going to

1041
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,199
hold a blow torch up to your face or if

1042
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,440
it's gonna let you breathe, and just alternates between those

1043
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,519
two things. The eight minutes just disappear, and I think

1044
00:48:10,519 --> 00:48:14,239
itscause and everyone on the song is on unbelievable form.

1045
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,719
But the leads are made my favorite sets of leads

1046
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,760
on the record. The vocals just an out of this

1047
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,000
world's performance. The rhythm section being that tightly wound. It

1048
00:48:23,159 --> 00:48:28,559
just whether it's going slow or fast, it just moves

1049
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:29,880
through with.

1050
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: I don't know it.

1051
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: It's so natural that you're you're not conscious of how

1052
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,400
many parts you're actually listening to, which is with songs

1053
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:38,519
like this, that's really the trick.

1054
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think of the the incidental tracks? See,

1055
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:42,360
there's three interludes.

1056
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:45,519
Speaker 2: I think the fact there's three of them and where

1057
00:48:45,519 --> 00:48:47,559
they're placed they become like an essential part of the

1058
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,360
fabric of the record. Like I think they're like really,

1059
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,800
I think the second one is kind of like the

1060
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,760
most significantly in life fleshed out because.

1061
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,119
Speaker 1: That one with is Boy Matthews from Boy Harsher.

1062
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so they do those kind of things like

1063
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,599
because that again that kind of comes out of amathere,

1064
00:49:05,679 --> 00:49:08,280
so it kind of takes me into the next chunk

1065
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,000
of the record. It's but like even they're core, they're

1066
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,239
they're like they're kind of the more experiment or like

1067
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,400
playing with soundscapes and atmosphere. This one has that kind

1068
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,159
of the eerie sort of spoken vocal and then that

1069
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,559
horrible kind of noise section towards the end. It's it's

1070
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,000
a really coold, and then the other two aren't as

1071
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,199
kind of like because it's kind of been a through

1072
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,119
line through the album, they feel necessary as kind of

1073
00:49:30,119 --> 00:49:30,920
stringing it all together.

1074
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think they're different enough despite all sharing

1075
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,679
the same name, they're different enough from one another where

1076
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,159
each one warrants its place, like if sometimes with albums

1077
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:43,039
like these, where they put intoludes about the record, they

1078
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,719
kind of all just do the same job, whereas this

1079
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,079
was very deliberate in that you can tell that they

1080
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:51,360
had they knew what they were setting up with each

1081
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,239
of these interludes, and they knew where they had to

1082
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,480
arrive by the end of it. And it means that,

1083
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,159
you know, other records, you might just go, oh, you know,

1084
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:02,239
I've heard them a few times. I don't really need them.

1085
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,199
I can't. I can't see myself listening to this record

1086
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:06,599
and skipping them.

1087
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:07,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1088
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,039
Speaker 1: I mean it's different to so Somebaye that has three

1089
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:14,920
interlude tracks on it, and those feel like almost like

1090
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:19,119
continuous tail ends of the songs themselves, that it makes

1091
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,440
the album kind of feel like one continuous piece to

1092
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,440
a degree, And like I'll be listening to somebody sometimes

1093
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,599
and I'll forget when one of the big songs has

1094
00:50:26,639 --> 00:50:29,000
actually ended, and that I'm like two minutes deep into

1095
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:32,880
the interlude. Right, These are more like act breaks, like

1096
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,599
they do feel like they announce themselves a little bit more.

1097
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:37,000
I got to be curious to seeing on like a

1098
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:38,760
on like an LP, like you know, to presume like

1099
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,639
a double LP, which you know where they end up,

1100
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,800
but they do. They more like act breaks, and two

1101
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,159
is the most you know, elaborate one and we get

1102
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:51,880
a full on like industrial harsh, more like something you'd

1103
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,000
expect on a Full of Hell album, like a really

1104
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,159
harsh industrial thing. It's more aggressive than I would expect

1105
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,960
an interlude to be. And again, like on my first look,

1106
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,039
the other previous bunch of songs are largely sort of lighter,

1107
00:51:03,079 --> 00:51:05,800
prettier songs, And on my first listen, I was like, okay,

1108
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:09,239
I need something, you know, basically that came in at

1109
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,639
the exact moment I needed it, particularly then when it

1110
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:15,480
follows up with Revelator, which just completely that's the exact

1111
00:51:15,519 --> 00:51:17,480
moment in the app where I needed that level of like,

1112
00:51:17,519 --> 00:51:23,360
oh yes, you know, just completely unhinged Revelator again, really demonic,

1113
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,400
horrible song. And then on the other side of you know,

1114
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,000
you've got body behavior after that, and then the third

1115
00:51:28,039 --> 00:51:32,719
interlude there's Wenonah, which it doesn't sound exactly like it

1116
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,760
there are you know, there's difference in how they write riffs,

1117
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,360
how they're recorded, whatever, from the last like twelve years.

1118
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,320
But were Noona is I think perhaps the closest to

1119
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:46,360
the Sunbathea sound they have gotten since Sunbatha because it

1120
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:51,840
is exaggerated, pronounced light speed kind of bliss. It is,

1121
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,960
you know, a seven minute burst of you know, fireworks

1122
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,840
and sustained kind of sunrays beaming down in your face.

1123
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:02,480
It is that you know, my blood Valentine on steroids.

1124
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:05,320
Huge that you know, like when the guitar sound opens up,

1125
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,320
when it really goes, it's like such a cacophonously loud,

1126
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:14,039
inhuman but bright wall of sound. And I didn't expect

1127
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:16,119
the album, you know, on the album at that point,

1128
00:52:16,199 --> 00:52:18,519
after you know, several albums between you know, some bather

1129
00:52:18,639 --> 00:52:21,719
in this to suddenly get this like almost like last

1130
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,440
tip of the hat to you know, that thing that

1131
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,679
really started it off with them having filtered in all

1132
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,039
these other influences. It was nice to just be like,

1133
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:30,920
oh and have that burst at the end.

1134
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 2: I mean like when it was I was like, oh, cool,

1135
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,239
slow build, yet building, and then it comes in almost

1136
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:37,679
like other than a minute or star like build. You

1137
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,280
are just hit with that like big crescendo almost right away,

1138
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:43,440
and I'm like, oh, yeah, no, this this just sparkles.

1139
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,960
This is that that bright, uplifting and just life affirming

1140
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,360
kind of like I love music when it sounds like this,

1141
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,400
when it just kind of like hits me like a

1142
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,440
wall and all my emotions come pouring out, and I'm

1143
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,159
like few bands can kind of just do that, and

1144
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:59,519
there is a magic to win definitely, and it is

1145
00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:02,119
just like like Black Gays post Black met Wabit, it's

1146
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:06,760
just the most blissful, like just like wonderful version of that.

1147
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,480
And it's and it's just it's such a great trick

1148
00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:11,719
that they can put out like this like second to

1149
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,400
last track on the record, and they're going to go like, yeah,

1150
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,599
here you go, here's you know, you're going to feel

1151
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:17,400
all the emotions on this one. It's so good.

1152
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's They're one of the only bands

1153
00:53:21,079 --> 00:53:24,159
who I feel really evoked that thing of what must

1154
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,159
have been like to hear Loveless in like nineteen ninety one,

1155
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,440
because melodically, it's so happy and major key, but it's

1156
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,519
so devastatingly loud and abrasive. Yeah, that is almost too

1157
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:36,760
much to bear. And it's sort of how do you

1158
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,760
step that up? Where you have to start? You have

1159
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,199
to leave jangle pop and alt rock and go into

1160
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,760
extreme metal to really maximize that. And when this shifts

1161
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,840
into the major key territory towards the end, it's it's

1162
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,039
the only word for it is euphoric. It's like you say,

1163
00:53:51,079 --> 00:53:57,840
it's fireworks. It's big, dazzling universe explosions before your eyes.

1164
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,199
It it's that sort of thing where it's you almost

1165
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,039
can't describe it. You do just have to listen to

1166
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:05,880
and hear it for yourself.

1167
00:54:06,039 --> 00:54:09,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's a song the Marvelous Orange Tree

1168
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:11,400
at the end, which I'm always surprised as another song

1169
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,320
after the Fat right, because we Ona feels like such

1170
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,559
a you know, pecan tree sort of moment. But the

1171
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,320
Marvel's orangery is almost just like the kind of cherry

1172
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,159
on top of what we've kind of achieved with you

1173
00:54:20,159 --> 00:54:22,480
know when, I'd be surprised if they played that song

1174
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,719
without playing Winona immediately before it. You know what, I

1175
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,119
mean in terms of, like, you know, the great critical

1176
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:30,440
acclaim for this album, I, you know, Elliott similar to you.

1177
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,920
I mean, obviously I liked it, but on my first

1178
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,400
goes of this, I was like, this is very very good.

1179
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:37,880
I don't necessarily know if I'm seeing the you know,

1180
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:40,639
like best since Sunbather or whatever sort of appeal, and

1181
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,239
I don't necessarily feel that way, but they are, you know,

1182
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:46,480
six albums in and they've already transformed several times over.

1183
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,320
This is like bringing everything they've you know, kind of

1184
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,159
undergone over these years almost up to speed. And it's

1185
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:55,320
like this is almost like the new Death Heavan model.

1186
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,119
You know, It's like this could well be a you know,

1187
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,960
it's a reset from where they or on Infinite Granite,

1188
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:02,920
but in a way that it's just like a foundation

1189
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,840
of everything that can then go from kind of here

1190
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:08,440
on out.

1191
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:10,639
Speaker 3: Well, that's what's so exciting about this record is it

1192
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,800
could be there. It could be them going, you know,

1193
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,480
we learn all these lessons over the first five album six,

1194
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,320
it all comes together. Let's see where we go next,

1195
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:23,960
or into them going this is like the coder the book. Yeah,

1196
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,800
on the first half of our career, and maybe we'll

1197
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,159
throw all of it out next time, maybe won't be

1198
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:32,599
able to recognize anything that's here. And at this point,

1199
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:36,000
even though I have my reservations by Infinite Granite, I

1200
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:38,239
trust them and I'm fascinated to see what comes next.

1201
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:42,280
And if either way, I love this record. I mean,

1202
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:45,320
if this is the end of Death Heaven in this guise,

1203
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,559
then what a hell of a way to bow out

1204
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,320
doing this thing. And if it's kind of them opening

1205
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,320
up the doors of the brave new world. You know

1206
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:57,679
how many bands can boast having a sound that feels

1207
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:58,239
totally theirs.

1208
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, it was maybe the least

1209
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,440
revelatory Death EAVN album. To me, it was the least

1210
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,199
like I've had a real again the transformation that they've

1211
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,960
undergone kind of time and turn again. But this has

1212
00:56:09,039 --> 00:56:11,800
the you know, it's got the structural and kind of

1213
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,559
melodic directness of Infinite Granite, even if it is obviously

1214
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,400
heavier than Infinite Granite. It's got the sharp, pointy edges

1215
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,559
back from New Bermuda. It's got that kind of gothy

1216
00:56:20,639 --> 00:56:23,480
sort of disconcombobulation, sort of experimentation that you had on

1217
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:25,599
bits of ordinary Carprema Love And as we said, even

1218
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:28,079
that little bit of taste of some bath at the end,

1219
00:56:28,159 --> 00:56:31,199
and I am, you know, I'm liking it more and

1220
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,360
more and more. And it's pretty obvious that at this stage,

1221
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,400
you know, Death Heavan they aren't putting anything out that

1222
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,880
they really haven't really you know, put their all into.

1223
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is probably they're just a band

1224
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:45,480
I trust to like, Like again, it's like I guess

1225
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,280
infinite grantite, So it's one of them, like whatever does

1226
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,360
to make I have absolute faith that there's going to

1227
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,320
be something rewarding to get for me, even if it

1228
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:57,400
comes four years later, whether that reward like truly hits

1229
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:00,320
Like I'm just so like willing to let Death Heaven

1230
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:02,239
go off into whatever ventures they want to do now

1231
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:03,400
and I'm along for the ride.

1232
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's you know, it's it's still an extreme

1233
00:57:05,519 --> 00:57:07,280
out extreme metal album, if you want to say, it

1234
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,840
kind of belongs to that that will immediately impress you know,

1235
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,199
the largest amount of people more than basically anything else

1236
00:57:14,199 --> 00:57:16,239
in it's lane. And it's almost like it's kind of

1237
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,199
only in competition with you know, their own works rather

1238
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:22,159
than you know, anyone else. It's just like, you know,

1239
00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:23,639
it's an album from the Big Boys. So there you go,

1240
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:26,519
Death Heaven, Lonely, People with Power, our other you know.

1241
00:57:26,599 --> 00:57:30,119
Lead review comes from Scowl. It's an album called Are

1242
00:57:30,119 --> 00:57:34,599
We All Angels. It's their second album, and it feels

1243
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:36,320
more and more like with every release. I mean, this

1244
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:41,559
is the third major, you know, kind of significantly publicized release.

1245
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,840
Scowl have been positioned as a big deal and this

1246
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,679
album after you know, the the places they started appearing

1247
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:52,199
after the first album and then the psychic dance routine

1248
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,480
kind of be built on that. This is where we've

1249
00:57:55,519 --> 00:57:58,800
been like, oh yeah, this is like being positioned as

1250
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,599
one of the real, like breakout albums of this year.

1251
00:58:01,639 --> 00:58:03,800
They've just done their you know, the other week, their

1252
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:08,000
late night TV debut or was it Stephen Colbert? So, Sam,

1253
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,880
what is it about Scowl that you think has taken

1254
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:13,760
them very quickly? Right?

1255
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 2: You know?

1256
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: Back to twenty twenty one is when the fifteen minute

1257
00:58:16,519 --> 00:58:19,920
long album How Flowers Grow came out, and at that

1258
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,679
point in time, they were you know, one of a

1259
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:25,800
number of hardcore bands with like little short, catchy names

1260
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:29,000
who could go on to do something. And now they

1261
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,360
seem to be you know, sniffing some of the rare

1262
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,719
air of your you know, Turnstiles, et cetera. They got

1263
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,519
pushed to the moon really quickly that they were playing

1264
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,599
Coachella and you know, appearing on a tack of bell

1265
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:42,800
and all these kind of things, and you know, it

1266
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:45,360
is a nonsense attitude. But that's why there are some

1267
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:47,800
people out there who have been like you know, industry

1268
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,039
plant whatever, even if they're largely just suspicious of colorful

1269
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:53,760
haired women, like you know, the idea that Scowl appeared

1270
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,159
and then got pushed them move very very quickly in

1271
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,639
terms of that push. Why do you think Scowl have

1272
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:01,280
been the one who have kind of like you know,

1273
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:02,199
been given that baton.

1274
00:59:03,119 --> 00:59:05,599
Speaker 2: Well, I think like because it's like easying with that.

1275
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:08,079
The whole intro pars like that so comes up. You

1276
00:59:08,119 --> 00:59:09,800
get people from like the hardcore scene, they're like no

1277
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:11,880
scale of being fucking legit from day one that they

1278
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,599
came up through the scene. So like there's that, but

1279
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,519
for me, it was and it almost immune because of

1280
00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:21,519
like ambition beyond hardcore that they that right away like

1281
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:24,400
they did. You know, I love the Holthous Grower album,

1282
00:59:24,559 --> 00:59:27,719
but it's you know, just a fifteen minute, ferocious hardcore

1283
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:30,320
punk album with like one song that kind of like

1284
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,440
shows like, oh, you know, we're doing a few little

1285
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:35,800
different things, but it was on that side diction. They

1286
00:59:35,800 --> 00:59:38,079
showed quite early, and they're like, Okay, we don't want

1287
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:40,320
to be confined, we don't want to be constrained by hardcore.

1288
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:42,119
We don't want to be seen as just a hardcore band,

1289
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:46,159
so we're gonna show our ambition early and again, like

1290
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,880
maybe the greenhead vocalist like, is you know a marketable

1291
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:52,000
thing like that? There's that That's maybe why some people

1292
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:55,199
who wouldn't necessarily latch onto hardcore have latched on to

1293
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:57,079
scal so quickly. But I think it's a combination of

1294
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:00,920
just showing ambition, showing a kind of like savviness to

1295
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,440
like still be true to hardcore, but push yourself well

1296
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,280
beyond those spaces that But they've been able to very

1297
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,400
quickly on album to step into spaces well beyond hardcore,

1298
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,320
Like Turnstarle It took a couple of albums. Scowl have

1299
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,760
kind of gone not like shortcuted to it, but they

1300
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:20,320
they've kind of shown that, like we want to, you know,

1301
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,159
show that straight away while still being true to who

1302
01:00:23,159 --> 01:00:23,519
they are.

1303
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, Elliott, you know i'd go to Sam first on

1304
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,719
the scale stuff, but you were very keen on psychic

1305
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,000
dance routine as well, and then you had it like

1306
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:32,880
your EP of the year or something. So, you know,

1307
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,639
when we were talking back then a couple of years

1308
01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:38,960
ago about what you would like or imagine seeing on

1309
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:41,840
a you know, a follow up, just to recap, we

1310
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,440
had one album of pretty out and out, bloodthirsty hardcore,

1311
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,719
just all screaming two step stuff. Then we had an

1312
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,760
EP that very suddenly unveiled this kind of whole potential

1313
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,400
of them to tap into this kind of melodic alternative side,

1314
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,840
and that very quickly turned them into one of the

1315
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:59,679
most kind of like hotly tip coolest bands in the world.

1316
01:01:00,199 --> 01:01:02,280
What were you thinking or expecting in terms of, like,

1317
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:05,440
you know, a second album follow up to the EP

1318
01:01:05,639 --> 01:01:10,199
that really kind of broke them in that way.

1319
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,639
Speaker 3: One of the things I loved about that EP, wash

1320
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:13,960
and I think I said this at the time, was

1321
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,199
they did what basically all bands should do when they

1322
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,079
releasing EP, which is it's a free hit, try some

1323
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:24,079
stuff out. If it works, go further if not, nothing lost. Yeah,

1324
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,559
and seeing them explore alt rock and power pop and

1325
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:30,559
how good is it they were? I definitely wanted to

1326
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:34,400
see more of that, but I also I wanted whatever

1327
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,280
came next to Harness that sort of free spirited energy

1328
01:01:38,519 --> 01:01:40,920
that that EP has where you put it on the

1329
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:43,320
first time and you don't know from ten seconds to

1330
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,760
the next where they're going to go. And could they

1331
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,320
sustain that over the course of a record. Maybe not,

1332
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:54,119
but the prospect of them doing that was so appealing.

1333
01:01:54,239 --> 01:01:55,840
That's kind of what I was hoping for. But what

1334
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,400
I was expecting was kind of what we have here,

1335
01:01:59,559 --> 01:02:02,920
which is a record that makes me, you know, I

1336
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:06,239
find myself asking are they still a hardcore band?

1337
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:07,159
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1338
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 3: And I don't even say that as a criticism, but

1339
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,039
just as a you know, as a mark of how

1340
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:14,320
different this is from the first record. You're questioning if

1341
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:15,079
it's the same genre.

1342
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:17,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put a pin in an particular question for

1343
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:18,840
a moment. Could we will come back to it in

1344
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:22,840
just a second. But yeah, Like in terms of I think,

1345
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,880
you know, psychic dance routine, the surprise is kind of done.

1346
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,159
They're like, oh my god, Scour are doing this right.

1347
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,320
They are like they have fucking like you know, radio

1348
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:34,840
hit standard songs in them, which you didn't see coming

1349
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,840
on the first album. That's the surprise at the way

1350
01:02:38,119 --> 01:02:40,239
and what you were saying, like, are they able to

1351
01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:44,599
you know, reinvent themselves over? I mean this is like

1352
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:47,199
a you know, over thirty minute album that's basically twice

1353
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:49,599
as long as any release they put out before, right.

1354
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: All their life music beforehand and then some.

1355
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first album and the Psychic Dance Routine EP

1356
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,840
together is shorter than a thirty minute album, right, So

1357
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:00,440
there is slightly stretching how much they could realisticly reinvent

1358
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,920
themselves over the course of something like this. So I

1359
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,960
don't think this has that about it in the way

1360
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,400
that the EP did, but in terms of just like,

1361
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:11,760
you know, realizing what you wanted that to be there,

1362
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,079
I guess you know, has this happened? Done it?

1363
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,599
Speaker 3: Yes, I'll tell you I think this record is very good.

1364
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:22,639
I wouldn't go as fars say that I think it's

1365
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:25,840
great as a record. There's stuff that they develop on

1366
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:27,840
this record that I'm really keen on, and there are

1367
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,920
moments on here that made me go that might be

1368
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:33,159
the best stuff you've released so far. But I do

1369
01:03:33,199 --> 01:03:36,000
think that quality dimension, which is maybe too much for

1370
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,159
a herculean task to put on any band to sustain

1371
01:03:38,239 --> 01:03:42,360
that level of excitement over thirty minutes. I don't think

1372
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,159
they've quite brought that feeling over.

1373
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1374
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,079
Speaker 3: If I can see if they decided, well, let's exchange

1375
01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:53,159
that and write some fully fleshed out songs that really

1376
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:56,079
explore each of these individual ideas, I can see why

1377
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:59,679
they've made that swap. But for me, it's not quite

1378
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:01,239
as sort of visually exciting.

1379
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I generally sort of agree. I think this album

1380
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,000
is really really fun, it's really really strong. I don't

1381
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:10,480
think it quite blows my hair back the way that

1382
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:11,559
the EP did.

1383
01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:15,159
Speaker 3: But let's go back to the hardcore question.

1384
01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: I suppose. Yeah, we speak of Scowl in terms of

1385
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:21,320
hardcore because that's where they come from. Hardcore bands are

1386
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,199
very hard to separate from their roots culturally, even when

1387
01:04:25,239 --> 01:04:29,039
they actually start to sound different. And I think there

1388
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:30,840
are bits on this where you go, oh, that spit

1389
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,920
that like moment. There is so hardcore. More so, I

1390
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:36,400
think it's just an out and out punk rock record. Yeah,

1391
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:40,000
it has, you know, sharper mushier moments at times, maybe,

1392
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,639
but it's a suns out punk rock record, and you

1393
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:45,920
know there are bits of that again. Psycho Dancer Uteen

1394
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:48,960
has those like kind of nineties harder end of Green

1395
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:51,440
Day moments on it, which I love and I think,

1396
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,159
you know, hardcore releases. I think this is a pretty

1397
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:56,360
fun thing to come out of that world this year

1398
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,880
in terms of like punk rock, hard hard edged but

1399
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:06,719
melodic rock. This year clearly one of the very best

1400
01:05:06,719 --> 01:05:09,239
things that will will will happen in that world. And

1401
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,639
you know, kind of looking at it just as what

1402
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:14,079
it is. Here is a set of like you know again,

1403
01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:16,800
thirty minutes of songs that will have bits that will

1404
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:18,440
make you kind of two step and marsh, but more

1405
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,280
so they're just gonna make you kind of, you know,

1406
01:05:20,519 --> 01:05:24,840
bubbily jump around in a funny, sunny frenzy. It's it's

1407
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,599
a great time. And Sam, this is where I imagine

1408
01:05:26,639 --> 01:05:28,079
you'll probably like absolutely love it.

1409
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:30,559
Speaker 2: I mean maybe I am just a mark for this

1410
01:05:30,639 --> 01:05:33,280
band or this sound. I just fucking love everything about

1411
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,679
this album. This is what I want rock albums to sound. Yeah,

1412
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:38,039
it's really good because because here's the thing, Like Ie,

1413
01:05:38,119 --> 01:05:41,840
it's not a hard album, but it's rock music played

1414
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,079
by a hardcore band. You can still tell they're a

1415
01:05:44,159 --> 01:05:47,320
fucking hardcore band from the drums from the guitar tone,

1416
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,119
from the way they attack the risks, even on the

1417
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:52,320
sort of the mold parts, Like like even on songs

1418
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,239
you know, like whether it's slower, there'll be that switch

1419
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,079
up where you're can go like ah, that's a fucking

1420
01:05:56,119 --> 01:05:59,480
hardcore band locking in right there, Like yeah, this is

1421
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:01,800
this is me music. This is like because it has

1422
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,800
got that bubblegum power pop mix with kind of like

1423
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:07,519
bounce around punk rock mix with kind of like just

1424
01:06:07,639 --> 01:06:10,559
ragged hardcore in there. Mix with the kind of like

1425
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:13,719
cool nineties or rock grungey sort of stuff in there

1426
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:18,320
as well. It's it's so me this album, And I'm like, again,

1427
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,079
I can recognize that maybe like it's not as kind

1428
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:23,599
of revltory as Psychic Dance Routine was, But I hit

1429
01:06:23,639 --> 01:06:26,599
play on this and I'm just so happy the entire time,

1430
01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:29,000
and I want to listen to it again immediately afterwards.

1431
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,840
I can't, like again, like this is gonna be a

1432
01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,840
very bias, Like I'm just too much for a mark

1433
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:34,280
for this to.

1434
01:06:34,519 --> 01:06:37,039
Speaker 1: To be too critical about it. Only it is biased

1435
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:38,800
because they do it very very fucking well. Well.

1436
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,039
Speaker 2: I do think I like, I agree, I think that

1437
01:06:41,039 --> 01:06:42,880
there is that, but I think you'll be able to

1438
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:44,559
offer some a bit more of like the critical kind

1439
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:48,440
of like nuances. Well, I'm just like, yeah, but the

1440
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:50,920
bit in tonight, I'm afraid where it goes fast at

1441
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,360
the end is fucking electrifying, and it's like one of

1442
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,000
my favorite things to happen this year. Yeah.

1443
01:06:55,079 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 1: No, I mean in terms of criticisms, again, I don't

1444
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,320
really have many. All I'm saying is that I think

1445
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,800
if you put the next the bands who are like

1446
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,079
at that tip of the hardcore mountain, whether it be

1447
01:07:03,559 --> 01:07:07,880
Turnstile or not Loose or whatever, maybe Scowl seem like

1448
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,719
they play with a more certain set of limitations and

1449
01:07:10,719 --> 01:07:15,880
building blocks, right, but they are for a godsend for

1450
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:18,400
like punk rock with catchy.

1451
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: Pop hooks, right, you know, yeah, that is a whole heart.

1452
01:07:22,679 --> 01:07:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's nice to have something doing that that

1453
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:28,320
comes with those tangible hardcore ethics and as you say,

1454
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,559
that real spark of danger still you know throughout it,

1455
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,239
And you know, I would compare them more so to

1456
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,000
you know, some of the definitive TNM bands often ones

1457
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,519
that we've either lost or haven't been too active recently.

1458
01:07:41,559 --> 01:07:43,960
I was obviously we've mentioned Milk Teeth before in relation

1459
01:07:44,119 --> 01:07:47,679
to you know, I think they did a thing in

1460
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:50,079
the UK that no one else has come close to

1461
01:07:50,239 --> 01:07:54,519
in their absence. When this album goes really spiky, it's

1462
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:56,239
one of the only things to have come along since

1463
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,960
that has tapped into a little bit maybe what Marmosettes

1464
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,079
were bringing ten years go. It's that level of like

1465
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,679
spiky energy but also pop blood command as well, who

1466
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:06,920
happily are still around, you know, killing it today.

1467
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:09,199
Speaker 2: But I mean, like you did just send these bands

1468
01:08:09,199 --> 01:08:11,960
that are like just some of my like fair yeah,

1469
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:13,760
just doing that, like.

1470
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:15,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot to put the new bloo amand single

1471
01:08:15,519 --> 01:08:16,800
in the news earlier, but like you know, they're still

1472
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,920
around doing that thing great but just lively punk rock

1473
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,119
you don't have to think about them too hard kind

1474
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,520
of songs, and they aren't afraid to kind of clay

1475
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:26,680
your eyes out like a cat. This is a strong

1476
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,520
set of them. I think Special was a very clear

1477
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,199
lead off track. Like I think for all of this

1478
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,560
album is that in terms of immediate uh you know,

1479
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:38,840
kind of like almost like dollar signs in your Eyes

1480
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:42,119
melody is a bit of a step up above most else.

1481
01:08:42,159 --> 01:08:46,239
I think that really like beautiful wash Over you Hook

1482
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:49,039
that's still pacy and energetic, and the way it feeds

1483
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:52,399
in the little bounce off kind of ear worm backing

1484
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:56,079
vocal is really well done. But even that has like

1485
01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:00,840
you know, uh, it's a two step pace. Even though

1486
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:05,680
it it feels sort of melancholic, it is rattling at you.

1487
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:08,119
I almost feel like that needs like a Queens of

1488
01:09:08,159 --> 01:09:11,439
Stone Age slash turba Negro style one note piano hammering

1489
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:13,760
that chorus just to pop it off really, you know,

1490
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:14,760
make it perfect.

1491
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: I mean that thing is that I love it, like

1492
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:19,640
because Cat when she's singing, she's quite like laid back

1493
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,720
and sort of reserving the thing she's belting out. A

1494
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,039
lot of the melodies, it's quite like quiet and almost

1495
01:09:24,159 --> 01:09:26,880
to me whispered. But it just plays so brilliant against

1496
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,840
the band where it never feels low energy, even if

1497
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,680
she's not, you know, screaming, and then and then like again,

1498
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:34,039
the moments where she does go like that, that build

1499
01:09:34,079 --> 01:09:36,520
of tension and sort of the bridge of special is wicked.

1500
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,239
I think Babe is like the closest thing you'd say

1501
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:42,800
to what like scour beforehand when that song comes in

1502
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:45,479
and it's just this ragged punk rock with a screaming

1503
01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:47,800
and then a sort of bouncy bubblegum chorus. I'm like that,

1504
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:49,800
that's the sort of you could put that quite nicely

1505
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:51,920
alongside some of the stuff on the Psychic Dancery TDP.

1506
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:54,359
But it all just can like the way the album

1507
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:56,239
begins with that, that that one two punch of like

1508
01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,399
this is kind of like big nineties rock. You could

1509
01:09:59,399 --> 01:10:01,960
put this on a to like there are songs that

1510
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,039
it's coulda be on the fucking coolest soundtrack and movies

1511
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:06,319
like that. It's got that vibe to it, but with

1512
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:09,119
that element of danger, and that just I fucking love that.

1513
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the level of chorus, particularly in the

1514
01:10:12,159 --> 01:10:13,800
first half of the record, even though my favorite course

1515
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:17,199
isn't in this section but special Babe, not Heaven, not

1516
01:10:17,239 --> 01:10:20,680
Hell or not Hell, not Heaven Tonight. I'm afraid they

1517
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,359
don't make a habit of wasting them And basically all

1518
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:24,520
of them have been stuck in my head at one

1519
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:27,119
time or another, and I think, you know, I think

1520
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:31,319
you're right, pund that may be compared to their direct competition,

1521
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:33,359
for lack of a better word, like maybe they do

1522
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,319
have more obvious limitations or at least play within the

1523
01:10:36,359 --> 01:10:39,199
limitations a bit more, but they might be one of

1524
01:10:39,199 --> 01:10:43,760
the better ones at that pop hook songwriting like turnstile

1525
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,319
off a cop with some a lot underwater boy, you know,

1526
01:10:45,359 --> 01:10:47,520
I mean where that could be an MGMT song and

1527
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,840
none of bat an eyelid. But in terms of hooky,

1528
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:58,039
you know, milk teeth akin melodic songwriting, they absolutely smash it.

1529
01:10:58,439 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sam, you used to wear bubblegum In regards

1530
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,840
to the specifically the chorus on Babe and I have

1531
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,960
the exact same word written down, because that does like

1532
01:11:06,039 --> 01:11:09,159
you're saying that the riff in that is scowl from

1533
01:11:09,159 --> 01:11:11,319
five years ago, right, But when it comes in with

1534
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:14,880
the just that that does feel like, oh ship, you know,

1535
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:19,520
you're you're really exploring like the little, tiny little pockets

1536
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:23,560
where you can almost effortlessly bounce along something like even

1537
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:26,079
Tho when they start putting a looking like ooh ooh,

1538
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:29,279
just those like little you know, with like just hummable

1539
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:31,359
little things in there.

1540
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:38,119
Speaker 2: Like that that's all over them? How high is all

1541
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:38,359
like that?

1542
01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 1: Hey?

1543
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,159
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, that's They're all across this record, and they're

1544
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:44,199
just these great little earworms that they just sort of

1545
01:11:44,239 --> 01:11:47,800
tuck into these songs and then they're concise, like punchy,

1546
01:11:48,039 --> 01:11:52,000
like songs that are not wasting time, but they're all catchy.

1547
01:11:52,119 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to go back to you were saying

1548
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,840
that Kat as a singer, she almost like she doesn't

1549
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,840
actually sing very hard, like she doesn't overly say things.

1550
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,960
She does exist in a like, uh, you know, almost

1551
01:12:06,039 --> 01:12:08,880
like effortless, too cool for school sort of tone. And

1552
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:12,439
I think on my first listens, my instinct maybe is

1553
01:12:12,520 --> 01:12:14,399
I connect a little bit more with singers who are

1554
01:12:14,399 --> 01:12:17,439
gonna fucking throw it at you. And there are points

1555
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:19,000
where I almost wanted to, like I wanted to coax

1556
01:12:19,039 --> 01:12:21,800
her out of that little shell a little bit. But

1557
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,399
on repeat listens again, just the way they're they're like

1558
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:27,720
placed in the songs, whether it be that little popping

1559
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:31,880
part in Babe or whatever. You know, I can't deny

1560
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:34,039
she does it well and she finds the pockets to

1561
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:38,000
utilize that style well. And it means there are little

1562
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:42,039
moments when she actually does go slightly beyond that. Like

1563
01:12:42,079 --> 01:12:45,479
there's the song let You Down, where about about six

1564
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,960
or seven songs in it's like at that point I

1565
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,399
was like, Okay, I need to slightly sell this beyond.

1566
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:53,279
And that's the point Ice again. It was like saying

1567
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:55,000
fucking Revelator on the death of an album. It comes in,

1568
01:12:55,039 --> 01:12:57,479
it's like, oh shit, you're she's moving higher into the

1569
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,680
fucking like, you know, into into the zone and puts

1570
01:12:59,680 --> 01:13:02,359
a little bit more air into it. And I like

1571
01:13:02,399 --> 01:13:05,199
that they're not adverse to, you know, doing that, so

1572
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:07,239
it's not every single chorus delivered in that exacting kind

1573
01:13:07,239 --> 01:13:08,760
of way.

1574
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,359
Speaker 3: That's my favorite song on the record, comfortably. I mean,

1575
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,199
for a lot of this record, I am sort of

1576
01:13:15,319 --> 01:13:18,840
oh that sort of sounds like Navana smashing Pumpkins, Green Day, Turnstile, whoever.

1577
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,359
And you know, they're great at all those things. That

1578
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:25,119
song reminded me of and that we've covered recently on

1579
01:13:25,119 --> 01:13:26,600
one of the album swaps and one of the best

1580
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,560
old rock albums of the last decade plus, Crying Beyond

1581
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,000
the Fleet and Gales, And there has been nothing quite

1582
01:13:33,039 --> 01:13:36,199
in that style in nine years or in the eighties

1583
01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:39,000
since that band broke up, and that sort of sunshine

1584
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:42,800
on your face, euphoric, fizzy pop songwriting.

1585
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: I've got again fizzy in my notes written about that

1586
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:48,960
exact song, like they're cliches, but like Scout hit those

1587
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,800
cliche marks that you make you want to say these

1588
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:51,560
things it is.

1589
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:55,279
Speaker 3: It's just when that comes in that to me is

1590
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,439
like as good as this record is, that's the clear

1591
01:13:58,520 --> 01:14:01,720
standout and it's the moment on the record that made

1592
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,239
me feel most like the Psychic Dance Routine EP did

1593
01:14:04,359 --> 01:14:09,119
not because it is as wild and free spirited in

1594
01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:11,079
you know, it has compared one song to a Holy EP,

1595
01:14:11,640 --> 01:14:15,840
but it captures that same sort of anything's possible. I

1596
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,439
mean it just it just puts you in a good

1597
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:18,239
mood listening to it.

1598
01:14:18,399 --> 01:14:20,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again it's not it's not one of my

1599
01:14:20,079 --> 01:14:21,520
favorite songs on the record, but the hey, how hig

1600
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:23,800
are you think? Just the alliteration of it feels like

1601
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,159
it's designed to plant itself on your head. There are

1602
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:32,159
again those slightly weird uh you know, alternative rock, but

1603
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:34,800
not just the boring thing that we will imagine with that,

1604
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,079
Like it's slightly more off the you know, Beaaten track

1605
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:39,760
kind of pulls with stuff like fleshed Out, where they

1606
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,399
have this like weird discordant side to them. I again,

1607
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:44,199
you think about riffins like it dance routine right that

1608
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,880
and it's strange thing fleshed Out is like unsane slash

1609
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,720
helmet goes bubblegum pop, and you know it's like.

1610
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:54,720
Speaker 2: It's like sleazy bubblegum pop. Yeah, like the riff can

1611
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,199
like SLINKs along in like a mocking way. But again,

1612
01:14:57,239 --> 01:14:59,640
it's just got these like fun sort of like poppy

1613
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:00,560
vibe and it's.

1614
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:04,079
Speaker 1: Got this weird robot monotonous hook, which is obviously what

1615
01:15:04,119 --> 01:15:06,359
they're aiming for their They're not doing a sing along

1616
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:08,760
pop punk thing there. It is a quite harsh alien

1617
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:13,600
approach to pop punk and I like that. And you

1618
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:15,520
can kind of feel the California coming off with them

1619
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,039
with that kind of you know, like sunny surf energy

1620
01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:21,319
of maybe what like drain doing like out and out

1621
01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:24,920
you know, heavy hardcore and that kind of slightly airy,

1622
01:15:25,039 --> 01:15:28,000
breathy California accent that she has again on like how

1623
01:15:28,079 --> 01:15:30,319
high are You and stuff like that. But I think

1624
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:35,159
it's just commendable. I think how much they have naturally

1625
01:15:35,279 --> 01:15:39,199
integrated that, like having the clean vocal and that melody

1626
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:41,720
as an arsenal even when they are basically playing hardcore

1627
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:46,239
songs right again, like Babe and the first songs we're mentioning, like,

1628
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:48,520
you know the way that they have after that kind

1629
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:51,079
of first pull of psychic dance routine. Basically, what you

1630
01:15:51,159 --> 01:15:53,000
want to do is go like, kay, can you you know,

1631
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,159
utilize that more consistently over something like this? And in

1632
01:15:56,199 --> 01:15:58,960
that sense, I think that they they do that, and

1633
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:00,319
I think you can expec from this point. You know,

1634
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:03,319
when they do fast punk songs, you could just as

1635
01:16:03,359 --> 01:16:06,800
easily expect them to be all sung as they are

1636
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:09,560
all you know, screamed, and they will kind of you know,

1637
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:13,359
flip between both in that regard.

1638
01:16:14,039 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: But I love a song like Cellophane, which is like

1639
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,880
got a big OLC and like ignorant hardcore riff. It's

1640
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,000
one of those sort of like more like if you

1641
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:23,920
change the vocals, this would be a pure hard.

1642
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,319
Speaker 1: That's the most hard bit of the record. That sounds

1643
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:26,439
like Madal picking up.

1644
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's got a beat down sort of

1645
01:16:29,039 --> 01:16:32,199
moment in it, but again it's just got those bubblegum

1646
01:16:32,319 --> 01:16:34,920
pop vocals and it's again that's somethings like I don't

1647
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,359
get enough of that, and I'm like, I love that

1648
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:38,960
kind of like like contrast between like I say, it

1649
01:16:39,039 --> 01:16:43,920
just a fi swinging like like ignorant hardcore song with fun,

1650
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:46,039
catchy pop melodies and then to me, I'm just like

1651
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:48,119
this is this more bad? Should do this? It's so

1652
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:50,560
much it's so cool when it's done right. And I

1653
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,439
mean that those are the sort of moment where I'm

1654
01:16:52,479 --> 01:16:54,720
like this where Scout have that kind of X factor

1655
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,600
for me that has kind of just mark the matters

1656
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:00,600
of the wave of you know, the one word sort

1657
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:03,079
of snappy hardcore sounding bands. They have been the one

1658
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:05,359
I've latched onto the most because they they're the one

1659
01:17:05,399 --> 01:17:06,239
pulling out songs like.

1660
01:17:06,159 --> 01:17:08,199
Speaker 1: This, yeah and the last song and there's a couple

1661
01:17:08,199 --> 01:17:10,239
of like slightly woozier songs in a row towards the end,

1662
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:12,359
but then the last one they go, you know, here

1663
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:15,760
fucking the circle jerks, just fast hardcore. I like that

1664
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,720
Scale have that in them.

1665
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:18,239
Speaker 3: I agree.

1666
01:17:18,279 --> 01:17:19,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I think, you know, the fact that they

1667
01:17:19,239 --> 01:17:20,800
are doing what they're doing so kind of kind of

1668
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:24,920
clearly speaks for itself. I think of the the really

1669
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,560
big hardcore bands that we mentioned a lot, most of

1670
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,720
them got their start in the twenty tens. Even if

1671
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:31,960
they're reaching new heights in the twenties, Scowl are pretty

1672
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,920
clearly the you know, popular, definitive band of this particular

1673
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,479
you know, last couple of years generation.

1674
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:40,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd put it like them in speed and kind

1675
01:17:40,199 --> 01:17:43,359
of like other to that are clearly really stepy.

1676
01:17:43,399 --> 01:17:47,039
Speaker 1: I think Scowl a lot more more to them, more

1677
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,119
star powers and speed.

1678
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 2: And that's why I would say is I think like speed,

1679
01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:52,319
if you just want the pure hardcore, you know, you

1680
01:17:52,319 --> 01:17:54,159
can just go go down for speed, but Scout have

1681
01:17:54,279 --> 01:17:56,520
like a higher ceiling where I think they could go

1682
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,760
to some really cool places.

1683
01:17:59,399 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think this record is I've said

1684
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,600
I think this is really good, and if they can

1685
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,239
harness that thing, that's maybe it's just not possible to

1686
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:11,439
stretch that over thirty minutes. I'm totally open to that.

1687
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,079
But to be honest, I kind of realized during this

1688
01:18:15,079 --> 01:18:19,319
review I'm being a little Lord font Law. Again. It's

1689
01:18:19,319 --> 01:18:23,640
another batch of fucking great punk rock songs and it's

1690
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,760
like with bubblegum choruses and bits that remind us of

1691
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:29,800
unsane and I'm complaining that it's not odd and surprising enough,

1692
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,439
so I'll shut up. This is like like really hard

1693
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:37,000
again for a sophomore record, a really bold step and

1694
01:18:37,039 --> 01:18:40,119
again proof of my theory that when you do an EP,

1695
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,800
do some weird shit because it will give you the

1696
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,479
guts to take a leap like this, and I think

1697
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,880
this is substantially better than the first record.

1698
01:18:48,079 --> 01:18:50,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with what you were saying in terms

1699
01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:51,920
of like almost ple having to take a fort as

1700
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:53,720
and being like, yeah, cool, that's fucking great. Clearly, Like

1701
01:18:54,079 --> 01:18:57,399
even if you know, of the three releases, the psychoedantyuteene

1702
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:00,359
Ep right now is clearly my favorite one. But I

1703
01:19:00,359 --> 01:19:02,399
look at this and I go, well, what we wanted

1704
01:19:02,399 --> 01:19:04,279
you to do really was take those lessons and kind

1705
01:19:04,319 --> 01:19:07,680
of meld them just into your identity. And in terms

1706
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,319
of like going, this is you know, album number two,

1707
01:19:10,399 --> 01:19:13,239
major release number three, this is what Scourly is, this

1708
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:15,279
is what we do altogether. This does it, and it

1709
01:19:15,319 --> 01:19:18,079
does it in a you know, it's still pretty snappy, fun,

1710
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:22,319
you know, made for just repeat lessens kind of way.

1711
01:19:22,399 --> 01:19:25,880
And considering like we we barely review most of what

1712
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:29,279
counts as mainstream rock, Like what are radio songs in

1713
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,840
twenty five if the radio even exists, right, but the

1714
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,840
kind of rock songs that should fill that role. You know,

1715
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:36,439
we are more removed from that A T and M

1716
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,479
than maybe we've ever been. But here is something that

1717
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:42,439
is right on that vanguard of hardcore visibility, but you

1718
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,840
also don't even really have to like hardcore that much

1719
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:47,520
to like it. You can, you know, just have fun

1720
01:19:47,840 --> 01:19:48,159
with this.

1721
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,079
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean again I said, this is what

1722
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:54,000
I wish more rock music sound like I wish it had.

1723
01:19:54,079 --> 01:19:57,079
This melody is just fun. But a band to are

1724
01:19:57,159 --> 01:19:59,720
this sort of dialed in and like again a gatata

1725
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,000
in that has a bit of like grip to it

1726
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:04,520
and a drum sound that is like a proper drum

1727
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,239
sound and doesn't feel like it's been programmed by a

1728
01:20:07,279 --> 01:20:10,039
million computers to sound as big as possible.

1729
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:13,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so new scal album. You probably really heard it,

1730
01:20:13,119 --> 01:20:15,119
but there's our take on it. Are we all angels?

1731
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:17,600
We're gonna move on to a band that I hope

1732
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:21,000
everyone is very familiar with by this point, Employed to Serve,

1733
01:20:21,159 --> 01:20:22,680
we're going to talk about and their new album is

1734
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,079
called Fallen Star. It's coming out this coming Friday, ahead

1735
01:20:26,079 --> 01:20:29,159
of when we've released this episode, the fifth album from

1736
01:20:29,159 --> 01:20:31,680
Employee to Serve. It's ten years this year since the

1737
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:36,279
first one. Greater than you remember, We are definitely old,

1738
01:20:36,359 --> 01:20:39,520
We're definitely grayer that we remember at this point. But

1739
01:20:40,079 --> 01:20:41,319
I think this is a moment where we can look

1740
01:20:41,319 --> 01:20:44,000
at that ten years, we can go what a cracking

1741
01:20:44,119 --> 01:20:46,800
decade that has been for this band, because I think

1742
01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,920
there's something about Employed to Serve where, you know, they're

1743
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,600
very familiar to us here in the UK right, like

1744
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:55,159
we've there've been such a staple presence for so long.

1745
01:20:55,399 --> 01:20:58,199
I think a lot of us probably feel like we

1746
01:20:58,279 --> 01:21:01,039
know what Employed to Serve do, even though they have changed,

1747
01:21:01,079 --> 01:21:04,279
because you know, in that decade they have mastered mathcore,

1748
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:07,640
they have gone into like kind of more progressive leaning,

1749
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,039
you could even call it like slightly post hardcore territory.

1750
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,079
They've gone all out moshmode, pitstir and metal and now

1751
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:16,079
here on album five, on the cusp of you know,

1752
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:18,600
like a new decade for them, we've got some new

1753
01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,760
flavors again. And I think whatever your favorite Employed to

1754
01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:23,880
Serve record or era is, I think a lot of

1755
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,640
us will maybe have different ones that we most feel

1756
01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:29,319
that sense of like this is my one, and whatever

1757
01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:30,560
you may think of what they end up doing on

1758
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,960
this new one, there's something to admire there, and I

1759
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,239
think this is a moment where we can just look

1760
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:37,279
at that and appreciate just what a consistently engaging band

1761
01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:37,920
that they have been.

1762
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: I think that's it. They've never released the same album

1763
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:44,319
twice like they they They've always had a unique flavor

1764
01:21:44,359 --> 01:21:46,840
to each album. It's been each album always been exciting

1765
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:48,520
to listen to because we're like, so what are we

1766
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,399
getting this time? You know, like are we getting? Like no,

1767
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,840
it's allful emotion. That was just the most like dulled in,

1768
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:57,000
just like here are Moss songs that you are going

1769
01:21:57,079 --> 01:22:01,079
to stomp about to, and then you know, we're like, well,

1770
01:22:01,079 --> 01:22:03,680
here's just big riffers. Here is just like big metal

1771
01:22:03,720 --> 01:22:05,640
songs that you can bang your head to, and I'm like,

1772
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:07,920
there's not the biggestep between them, but they're still different

1773
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:10,359
flavors of it, and it's always just a nice sort

1774
01:22:10,359 --> 01:22:11,720
of fun thing to be like, so what have you

1775
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,520
got for me this time? Employed to serve? Yeah?

1776
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,319
Speaker 3: I mean, I think of all the bands of the

1777
01:22:17,399 --> 01:22:19,479
T and m Era, I can't think of many that

1778
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,880
I have an artistic trajectory that I think is cooler

1779
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,479
than theirs in the sense that most bands of their

1780
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:29,560
sort of this is that first record, that sort of panic,

1781
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:33,000
calld frantic hardcore scene. Most of those of those bands

1782
01:22:33,079 --> 01:22:36,840
don't have the imagination or the will to even attempt

1783
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,199
let Let's alone succeed at crossing over that arena metal

1784
01:22:40,279 --> 01:22:42,079
thing the eventually they do on the last couple of records.

1785
01:22:43,159 --> 01:22:44,800
A lot of those bands, even if they're great, they

1786
01:22:44,840 --> 01:22:46,840
don't sort of keep the listener on their toes all

1787
01:22:46,920 --> 01:22:49,279
that much. And like you're saying part about everyone's got

1788
01:22:49,319 --> 01:22:52,319
their their own favorites, those are actually the bands I

1789
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,520
typically prefer. I prefer when bands don't have one. You know,

1790
01:22:56,039 --> 01:22:58,119
this is the thing we do. We have one classic

1791
01:22:58,159 --> 01:23:00,680
album of that and the rest is just variations on

1792
01:23:00,760 --> 01:23:05,399
that theme. Whatever your taste lends you towards, you'll have

1793
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,039
a different favorite employee to serve record and any and

1794
01:23:09,119 --> 01:23:13,119
all of them I think are as credible and justifiable

1795
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:13,840
as the others.

1796
01:23:14,079 --> 01:23:16,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the fact that they've actually been able

1797
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,920
to still be around to achieve that because so many

1798
01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:22,039
of the crop of UK bands that I would see

1799
01:23:22,079 --> 01:23:25,039
employed to serve alongside, you know, eight ten years ago

1800
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,960
we Lament, you know, Black Peaks and Heck and you

1801
01:23:29,039 --> 01:23:31,600
know Palm Reader have just gone. Bands that have come

1802
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:34,760
through since employed Survey and Ithaca are gone, and it's

1803
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:38,760
nice to have someone from that scene actually been like

1804
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,840
be able to undergo the evolution that some of those

1805
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,399
other bands, we can only imagine what they could have

1806
01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:47,840
gone through. Right Whereas it's like themn's Svalbard really who

1807
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:49,680
you know fittingly Serena has a spot on this album.

1808
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:51,840
They're like almost like the survivors of that generation of

1809
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:53,840
UK bands who have been able to endure and actually

1810
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,560
blossom in the way that we would hope for all

1811
01:23:56,600 --> 01:23:58,800
of them. And I think for that reason a lot

1812
01:23:58,840 --> 01:24:01,359
of us feel you know, affection for them. I feel

1813
01:24:01,359 --> 01:24:03,439
such admiration for them in that regard. And when it

1814
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:09,760
comes to the you know, quite polished, pretty accessible, groovy

1815
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,960
metal records that employed to serve in their current incarnation

1816
01:24:13,239 --> 01:24:16,159
have been making. They're one of the only band honestly

1817
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:17,880
doing that at the moment in the whole world who

1818
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:20,760
I would consistently look to as like something I actually

1819
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:23,439
care about, you know, because it's like, yeah, we have

1820
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:25,960
something to talk about with an employer to serve record

1821
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,119
when even in that kind of you know, like big

1822
01:24:28,199 --> 01:24:31,319
arena metal thing, it's not boring, it's not just you know,

1823
01:24:31,399 --> 01:24:35,279
cookie cutter. Conquering. Their last album is fucking brilliant. A

1824
01:24:35,359 --> 01:24:37,800
Turner Forward Motion was great. Conquering I think was greater.

1825
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:41,159
And there was something about that Damnation performance last year

1826
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,640
and they played it that felt like it was like

1827
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:46,760
wrapping up the cycle for that in a bow, which

1828
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,199
had taken them, you know, supporting Kajira, you know, festival

1829
01:24:49,239 --> 01:24:53,039
may stages or whatever, all these things. I almost felt

1830
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:54,439
at the end of that it's like Employed to Serve

1831
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:57,800
have completed that sort of like Lamb of God, Machine

1832
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,239
Heady new wave of American heavy metal via Woking hardcore,

1833
01:25:01,359 --> 01:25:04,960
you know, thing that they developed there and I don't

1834
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:06,840
know if they're making an album of just that thing

1835
01:25:07,119 --> 01:25:09,840
that is better than that one. So yeah, where next?

1836
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,479
And I guess that is the question that Fall and

1837
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,600
Star asks, and it does so in some you know,

1838
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,239
uh familiar but also enough surprising ways.

1839
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one again, like because you know we

1840
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:23,479
had you know that that first single, and we will

1841
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,000
kind of be like this is this is different. This

1842
01:25:26,199 --> 01:25:29,520
is doing new things that we didn't really expect Fromployed Service.

1843
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,560
So asking like, is this employed shot at the casuals

1844
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,760
to try and like capture some of that audience, because

1845
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:38,560
I want to see the counts. I mean, like they

1846
01:25:39,000 --> 01:25:42,359
this is them doing because I think at points you

1847
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:45,319
can say, this is them doing commercial metalcore that we

1848
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:49,560
rag on so much, and so that that's that should

1849
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,079
like in theory set off alarm bell, shouldn't it if

1850
01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:55,279
we're saying employed are are doing that? But I don't

1851
01:25:55,279 --> 01:25:56,600
think it is just that. I mean there is again,

1852
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,640
there's so much more on this album there. There's there's

1853
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:01,239
so many kind of like other flavors they put on

1854
01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:03,399
this album. I think it's a really interesting This has

1855
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,359
been the longest the moment that like the hardest employee

1856
01:26:06,359 --> 01:26:07,720
to about for me to wrap my head around in

1857
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:10,039
terms of like not hahim planning, but like, yeah, this

1858
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:13,640
is so fucking gonna love this. I'm kind of like, hmm, okay, cool,

1859
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,600
I need to you know, mull over this for a

1860
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:18,600
little bit and taking what you're doing, which again I

1861
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:20,880
think is actually in a way a positive to the

1862
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:24,039
album because it's it was not something I necessarily expected

1863
01:26:24,079 --> 01:26:25,960
from them, and and it's gonna take a little while

1864
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,479
to again still fully figure out my my thoughts this album.

1865
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,840
But it's good. That's why we're here, you know. It's

1866
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,439
more interesting I'm to discuss as a result.

1867
01:26:33,279 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 3: I mean, for me, the last two records took a

1868
01:26:35,720 --> 01:26:37,319
little bit of a while for me to get my

1869
01:26:37,359 --> 01:26:41,119
head around, particularly Conquering, which I really wasn't sure about

1870
01:26:41,159 --> 01:26:42,600
until I saw them with Good Year, and then suddenly

1871
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,000
it all clicked somewhere back to that record and liked

1872
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:47,279
it much more. But at least with those records, there's

1873
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:51,199
a pretty succinct elevator pitch some you basically did at

1874
01:26:51,199 --> 01:26:52,680
the beginning. It was like, you know, there's the Marsha

1875
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,760
one and then the big one, like you can you

1876
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,399
can sum up quite nicely. Whereas this one it's like

1877
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,800
you say, it's it's is that there shot of the casuals. No,

1878
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:05,039
but it's also got the most heavy metal leaves they've

1879
01:27:05,039 --> 01:27:07,239
ever had in it. Obvious chorus that I thought sounded

1880
01:27:07,279 --> 01:27:10,960
a bit like a data Remember, it's just the combination

1881
01:27:11,039 --> 01:27:15,199
of things is not as clear cut and maybe like

1882
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:17,840
decisive as it had been on the previous records, where

1883
01:27:18,359 --> 01:27:20,880
that's the vision, has it fulfilled or not? Yes or no?

1884
01:27:22,119 --> 01:27:24,399
You know we all think the answer is yes. This

1885
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:27,520
time it's like I don't know exactly what the thing

1886
01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:30,399
if they if they had you know, a north star,

1887
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:33,399
if you will, for this record, I don't know exactly

1888
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,960
what that is. And I find that kind of fascinating.

1889
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a similar way, I don't like if you know,

1890
01:27:40,279 --> 01:27:42,520
if they had something written on a blackboard in the

1891
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,920
studio while that they would look to, I don't know

1892
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,600
what that is written on, you know, On this record,

1893
01:27:48,319 --> 01:27:50,760
it feels more like they've just kind of gone, what

1894
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:53,039
if we tried this? And then over here, what if

1895
01:27:53,079 --> 01:27:55,479
we you know, I've had this idea, what if.

1896
01:27:55,119 --> 01:27:55,520
Speaker 2: We did this?

1897
01:27:56,039 --> 01:27:59,399
Speaker 1: And that could be very very messy, But there is

1898
01:27:59,439 --> 01:28:01,560
something about this way, Like I say, there are parts

1899
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,800
in this which are almost like the most well clearly

1900
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:08,279
the most accessible to your everyday random whatever, the you know,

1901
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,159
kind of average center of the ven diagram metal Head

1902
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:14,800
in twenty twenty five is. But there's also the weirdest

1903
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,079
stuff maybe they've ever done that I can't, I can't

1904
01:28:17,199 --> 01:28:20,159
you know call it that. Yeah, I agree. It's the

1905
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:22,680
first employee to have album that I haven't like, immediately

1906
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,520
loved all the way through, and like, you know, it's

1907
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:27,800
in this like when I got Conquering, I got the promo,

1908
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:30,640
I was fucking hollering and cackling the whole way through

1909
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:32,680
from my first listen because of so many bits in it.

1910
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:35,279
This is not quite hot in the same way. It

1911
01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:39,359
feels more like it is again just surprising, and you know,

1912
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:41,960
at various points that are delighted by it as well.

1913
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,800
And when we got a tonguement, you know, we were

1914
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:49,239
were more pronounced sentive melody. There are bits on this.

1915
01:28:49,319 --> 01:28:52,560
I think they're putting more emphasis on texture, you know,

1916
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:54,439
than the last two albums. I was kind of expecting

1917
01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:57,760
that it did. You know, when we got Treachery at

1918
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,880
the start, I did I for goo, Oh yeah, hang on,

1919
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:02,199
we are still talking about a fucking metal band because like,

1920
01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:05,000
not a second to settle in it, just a single

1921
01:29:05,039 --> 01:29:07,279
snare hit, bam, you're off. And then what I can

1922
01:29:07,399 --> 01:29:11,640
only assume is Sammy directly aping and doing his own

1923
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,359
version of the Angel of Death scream.

1924
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,119
Speaker 2: Like things because I listened to was doing seeing what

1925
01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:20,439
I listened to like prior to Lisa's album. So I

1926
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:23,039
was like, that was kind of okay, I thieve that,

1927
01:29:23,279 --> 01:29:25,199
And then I hit playing and got Treachery and I

1928
01:29:25,319 --> 01:29:28,720
cackled like I could not stop laughing at that riff

1929
01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:34,319
with like Sammy doing that scream. I was like, oh cool, No,

1930
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,680
you haven't mellowed out too much. You're still employees.

1931
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:41,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that scream moment, which is just it's it's

1932
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:44,680
so it's funny right in a good way, because it

1933
01:29:45,119 --> 01:29:47,640
reminded me of, like you know it, it's a marker

1934
01:29:47,680 --> 01:29:50,079
of their character. I think it's free spirited. Yeah, it's

1935
01:29:50,199 --> 01:29:53,840
joyous and free spirited. I think the fun that has

1936
01:29:54,079 --> 01:29:56,960
shone through him employed to serve, particularly since they started

1937
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,760
playing you know out and help metal come through great.

1938
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:04,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you said, the only song i'd

1939
01:30:04,800 --> 01:30:06,880
heard from this before I was Atonement, which was the

1940
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:09,239
one that I thought sounded a bit like A Day's

1941
01:30:09,279 --> 01:30:11,960
Remember at points, and then Treachery kicking off like that.

1942
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:16,039
I mean with that snare tone, it's just shit. It's

1943
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:20,399
so fucking loud, like it's so in your face, it's

1944
01:30:20,720 --> 01:30:23,800
so at it. And yet somehow that the whole thing

1945
01:30:23,880 --> 01:30:26,239
sounds like it could fit in an arena setting. They

1946
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:29,880
just sound at this point, they sound so confident doing

1947
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:32,840
this sort of thing. It's it harks back enough to

1948
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,039
those early records in terms of approach, because it's just

1949
01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:39,319
so like white hot aggressive, but taking the lesson of

1950
01:30:39,359 --> 01:30:41,720
the last couple of records and having that real muscled

1951
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:44,680
up sound, it it touches on that thing that Lamb

1952
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:47,239
of God had pre sacrament like before they sort of

1953
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,600
setled into those liquid grooves and they just sounded like

1954
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:56,680
an insane, unhinged metal band. And getting that as your

1955
01:30:56,720 --> 01:30:59,880
track one is such like a statement of intent even

1956
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:03,520
then doesn't necessarily follow that path it's carved.

1957
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think one of them maybe the key

1958
01:31:06,319 --> 01:31:08,039
thing that has kept me to engage with employe to

1959
01:31:08,039 --> 01:31:10,199
serve when a lot of what counts for like more

1960
01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:12,239
mass appeal heavy metal has kind of fallen off in

1961
01:31:12,319 --> 01:31:15,960
my interest is I can hear how enthusiastic the people

1962
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:18,039
in this band are for you know, like the history

1963
01:31:18,039 --> 01:31:20,279
of their art form. And yeah, a lot of you know,

1964
01:31:20,359 --> 01:31:24,079
heavy music in this kind of lane have a very

1965
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:26,960
heavy tone. It will have heavy parts, it will have

1966
01:31:27,119 --> 01:31:30,199
the drops and stuff, not a lot of actual riffs.

1967
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:35,119
Like I feel like rifts are less important today than

1968
01:31:35,159 --> 01:31:39,079
they have maybe ever been employed to serve big riffers.

1969
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,039
And yeah, I think the way that they do like

1970
01:31:42,199 --> 01:31:45,600
the modern chuggy heavy thing, but also with the flare

1971
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:47,560
of heavy metal, I think I don't think people quite

1972
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,840
recognize what a difficult balance that is because so few

1973
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,279
bands have actually done that right, actually using like the

1974
01:31:53,399 --> 01:31:55,199
whole threat board, like you know, doing those little runs

1975
01:31:55,199 --> 01:31:58,000
that Sammy does, and that's just a big, you know,

1976
01:31:58,079 --> 01:31:59,960
selling point all the way through it, as it had

1977
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:02,119
been for the last you know, several records. When I

1978
01:32:02,159 --> 01:32:05,000
think about the slightly broader side of Employed to Serve,

1979
01:32:05,079 --> 01:32:06,840
I think on one rung of that, you have the

1980
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:09,640
Warmth of a Dying Sun, which feels like a maybe

1981
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:11,560
a bit of a standalone record in their catalog that

1982
01:32:11,560 --> 01:32:13,239
the things that they were doing there in regards to

1983
01:32:13,439 --> 01:32:17,359
like building crescendos and stuff like that, like the more patient,

1984
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,119
long form bits of what they tapped into there. And

1985
01:32:20,319 --> 01:32:22,399
you know, while like again I've praised plenty of what

1986
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,119
they've done since, I think if there's one thing in

1987
01:32:24,199 --> 01:32:26,840
their music that I do miss a bit, is that

1988
01:32:27,039 --> 01:32:29,239
thing that they did on that specifically that one record.

1989
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:34,359
This has more emphasis again on like texture and you know,

1990
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:37,399
like yeah, quiet and loud, harsh and soft and stuff

1991
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:39,800
then the two albums they've done prior to this one,

1992
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:41,760
But it's not going back to what that Warmth of

1993
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,439
a Dying Sun thing was. It is a little bit

1994
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,640
more like you know, stuff like the title track and

1995
01:32:45,720 --> 01:32:48,680
on Break Me Down, they are more out and out

1996
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:53,159
clean passages and more kind of overtly melodic. And again

1997
01:32:53,159 --> 01:32:54,720
that's some of the stuff where like I don't necessarily

1998
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,359
know if I am like fully in yet on like

1999
01:32:58,000 --> 01:32:59,880
let's say the minute or soo intro of the song.

2000
01:33:00,199 --> 01:33:02,840
Me down right, I don't know if I'm fully there

2001
01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:05,960
with it yet, but they feel like again that they're

2002
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:10,279
like deliberately trying to go we've not added that into

2003
01:33:10,319 --> 01:33:12,640
our music yet. Can we kind of eke out a

2004
01:33:12,720 --> 01:33:16,119
little bit of, you know, something something fresh kind of

2005
01:33:16,199 --> 01:33:17,279
from moving into those alleys.

2006
01:33:18,159 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 2: I mean that's things like the title track. I was

2007
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,239
kind of like that is doing you know, the sort

2008
01:33:22,279 --> 01:33:27,000
of the soft, clean kind of verse, bigger course thing

2009
01:33:27,039 --> 01:33:29,600
that that. Again, I do a social of law contemporary meticals,

2010
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,199
and I was like, do I like employees of doing this?

2011
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:34,640
I mean I think first, I mean, you get that

2012
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,840
like intro where you get this piano, but then that

2013
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:39,119
riff hits and Sammy's doing those like pinches all over

2014
01:33:39,159 --> 01:33:40,880
that riff and kind of like, yeah, they are just

2015
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,039
frying better rifts to kind of like punctuate the heavy

2016
01:33:43,079 --> 01:33:45,800
moments more. And then like it does it does do

2017
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,800
something that I'm fair we shouldn't like, but just by

2018
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,640
the way employees of go at it, and they managed to.

2019
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:54,119
It's a tricky balancing act of trying to do something

2020
01:33:54,119 --> 01:33:56,840
that can be you know, more commercial, without it sounding

2021
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,479
too water down into the shit we rag on like

2022
01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:02,479
all of you know last month's reviews ragging on, but.

2023
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:03,520
Speaker 3: Like the riffs.

2024
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:06,119
Speaker 2: If the song on the title track had the fucking

2025
01:34:06,199 --> 01:34:08,479
stop gent riff that all these bands have, I think

2026
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:11,920
I would hate it. But they are employees are better

2027
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:15,159
than that, and they are writing proper rifts that are

2028
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:18,399
metal rips, as you say, that are just way more

2029
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:22,119
interesting and are way more inventive and creative and fun

2030
01:34:22,319 --> 01:34:24,319
and just nice to listen to.

2031
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:30,439
Speaker 3: Well, this, to me reveals what makes those medical bands

2032
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:33,560
who rag on so much worse because, like you say,

2033
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,279
on paper, this shares some similarities with it, but you

2034
01:34:37,399 --> 01:34:41,960
listen to this and the production isn't stale and static.

2035
01:34:42,079 --> 01:34:44,920
It sounds like a band. The riff is interesting. It's

2036
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,680
not just that stock gent riff that could be copied

2037
01:34:47,680 --> 01:34:48,720
and pasted from anywhere else.

2038
01:34:49,439 --> 01:34:49,600
Speaker 1: You know.

2039
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:53,359
Speaker 3: The two vocalists have personality and you know, sound like

2040
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:57,199
they care, do you know what I mean? It's fairly

2041
01:34:57,319 --> 01:35:00,840
basic fundamental things But it makes a difference, doesn't It

2042
01:35:01,239 --> 01:35:03,319
makes all the difference because when I listen to stuff

2043
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,359
like the title track, which, like we say on paper,

2044
01:35:06,399 --> 01:35:08,039
has a lot in common with the stuff we rag on,

2045
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,079
I don't get that same feeling.

2046
01:35:10,359 --> 01:35:10,479
Speaker 2: Now.

2047
01:35:11,239 --> 01:35:12,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if I like it as much as

2048
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:15,479
the stuff on this record that is perhaps more attuned

2049
01:35:15,479 --> 01:35:17,279
to the stuff that I typically like, the stuff that

2050
01:35:17,319 --> 01:35:20,000
depends on hardcore and extreme metal and that sort of thing.

2051
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:25,239
But if that thing they if that came out as

2052
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:27,000
the mission statement of this is the sort of thing

2053
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,279
employees of a folding into the recipe this time that

2054
01:35:30,359 --> 01:35:32,880
should set off alarm bells. And the fact that upon

2055
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:36,840
listening to the record, it doesn't really I mean, that's

2056
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:38,800
that's worth applauding in and of itself.

2057
01:35:39,039 --> 01:35:40,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And even though like you know, break Me Down

2058
01:35:41,039 --> 01:35:44,800
has like a weird kind of looping percussive electronic element

2059
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:47,039
in there, and there are bits of like you know,

2060
01:35:47,159 --> 01:35:49,560
full like almost like eight string kind of sounds on there,

2061
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:52,079
but at least I go, yeah, it comes on a

2062
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:54,880
vikingdom come as well, and I can hear that. I'm like,

2063
01:35:54,920 --> 01:35:57,439
you've actually heard at least nothing by my sugar, right,

2064
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,560
as in the album not nothing. It's not just the

2065
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,319
xerox of the xerox, you know, And I think the

2066
01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:08,800
experimentation feels genuine and it hasn't come at the expense

2067
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:10,800
of the power that you're here for. Like if this

2068
01:36:11,039 --> 01:36:13,119
was like, you know, the last Ghost in Side album

2069
01:36:13,199 --> 01:36:15,720
or something, you got a song like Familiar Pain, which

2070
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:18,039
is just like classic that's it.

2071
01:36:18,199 --> 01:36:21,479
Speaker 2: You go from break Break Breaks Me Down into Familiar Pain,

2072
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,000
which is all out frashing with blast beats and again

2073
01:36:25,399 --> 01:36:28,039
bits of black metal and two step riffs, like it's

2074
01:36:28,079 --> 01:36:30,159
all there, like you just you're hearing all those beats.

2075
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:33,359
I'm like when they're making the deviations again like has

2076
01:36:33,399 --> 01:36:35,039
symps to have like that sounds like you could be

2077
01:36:35,039 --> 01:36:36,680
on an a heavy metal album at points, Like some

2078
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:37,800
of the simple stuff on that, like.

2079
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,199
Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm I'm impressed with a restraint that they

2080
01:36:42,279 --> 01:36:46,880
haven't just basically borrowed Rainbow and the darks keyboard. It's like,

2081
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,319
you know, it's happening there.

2082
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:51,239
Speaker 2: Simps that do sound The only thing that was like

2083
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:53,960
they don't sound that kind of like opening sim that

2084
01:36:54,079 --> 01:36:57,680
is on Holy Diver, that song like basically the very

2085
01:36:57,720 --> 01:37:01,560
modern metal core version of Yeah. It's relatable and that

2086
01:37:01,640 --> 01:37:02,840
that makes it more interesting.

2087
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:06,039
Speaker 1: And Atonement was like a bit of a curve when

2088
01:37:06,039 --> 01:37:07,640
we heard it at first, but it's so clearly one

2089
01:37:07,640 --> 01:37:09,079
of the metal ear worms of the year, Like that

2090
01:37:09,159 --> 01:37:12,840
chorus pops into my head. Yeah, it's all the time.

2091
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:14,880
And you know the bit with Will Ramos at the end,

2092
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:17,279
maybe he's got a little bit of the kind of

2093
01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:19,079
like the throw all, kind of a teeny bit of

2094
01:37:19,119 --> 01:37:21,399
the sleep, a teeny bit of the sleep tokens or something.

2095
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:23,319
But I think on you know, in a vacuum on

2096
01:37:23,319 --> 01:37:25,199
its own merits, I probably wouldn't have you noticed or

2097
01:37:25,239 --> 01:37:28,479
pulled that out at all. And speaking about how still

2098
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:34,079
unmistakably heavy metal, it is actual fucking guitar solo that

2099
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:36,560
feels like, you know, like the sun kissing your ears

2100
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:37,560
at that point, it's great.

2101
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 3: I do.

2102
01:37:38,640 --> 01:37:39,920
Speaker 1: I like the bit in the middle of just like

2103
01:37:40,039 --> 01:37:42,439
reading the track list when I can feel the man

2104
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:45,640
o war rippling off of Brother stand beside Me until

2105
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,279
now or by Kingdom Come, like have I put fighting

2106
01:37:48,359 --> 01:37:52,720
the world on, not against it? It's great and you know,

2107
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:57,319
I think it's fun. How I often lament Conquering should

2108
01:37:57,359 --> 01:37:59,560
have really been like their kind of big international breakthrough

2109
01:37:59,560 --> 01:38:01,359
album on the level that we've seen from and I

2110
01:38:01,399 --> 01:38:03,000
can not loose or someone on their last album, like

2111
01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:05,479
the songs and the riffs are certainly in the same canyon.

2112
01:38:06,000 --> 01:38:09,720
But I like on this you can see like over

2113
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:12,479
a decade of grind they started to tap into some

2114
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:14,800
places and so they've got you know, here's Will Ramos

2115
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,439
and here's Jesse Leach right like they're you know, they're

2116
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:19,439
collecting them like power stones a little bit, and they're

2117
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,479
you know, commanding a bit of respect from these like

2118
01:38:22,039 --> 01:38:24,680
serious pillars in the likes of Jesse Leach and the

2119
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:26,840
thrash on that Jesse track when it starts that intro

2120
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:28,479
is absolutely nails. It's brilliant.

2121
01:38:29,199 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 2: Yeah no, like Jesse EAT's song. It sounds like exactly

2122
01:38:33,039 --> 01:38:34,920
what imployed on with Jesse to do. Is that them

2123
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,119
kind of doing the sort of the frashier end of

2124
01:38:37,199 --> 01:38:40,399
naughties metalcore, which like fuck yeah, please just give me

2125
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,760
more of that. I think the Will Ramos guest spot

2126
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:44,560
is the one that's kind of gonna do the most

2127
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,199
for them. I was going with you gonna go oh,

2128
01:38:46,199 --> 01:38:47,800
I came here for Will Ramas and I discovered this

2129
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,439
band house cool, Like, that's great. Justified the guest spot

2130
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:54,039
on that alone. If more people arecovering played Serf because

2131
01:38:54,239 --> 01:38:55,800
there was like Jesse Leet's guesting with this album not

2132
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:58,279
my favorite guest spot on the album. I like, that's

2133
01:38:58,279 --> 01:39:01,640
a really tray one. I think that song it's fucking outstanding,

2134
01:39:01,680 --> 01:39:04,239
And it's the moment like the Big soor Devate's experiments

2135
01:39:04,279 --> 01:39:06,399
on the album that I think is my favorite moment.

2136
01:39:06,560 --> 01:39:09,600
Speaker 1: I completely agree. And I feel like I'm having a

2137
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,239
weird Daja vou thing with this because right when we

2138
01:39:13,359 --> 01:39:16,800
got you know, Atonement coming out and Okay, we're gonna

2139
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,680
be a more textured melodic record whatever, stuff Like the

2140
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,520
type of track fall and Start is maybe what I

2141
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,399
could you know, I could expect coming through. Following on

2142
01:39:24,479 --> 01:39:28,239
in that regard, when we get that song, right, we've

2143
01:39:28,279 --> 01:39:31,279
had Gate Creeper doing their surprise Paradise Lost song.

2144
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 2: I didn't know we were gonna.

2145
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:34,399
Speaker 1: Get one here. Why have we got an employee to

2146
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:37,039
serve goth metal song? I'm very here for it?

2147
01:39:37,199 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 3: What the hell?

2148
01:39:37,800 --> 01:39:41,079
Speaker 2: I love that those gothic clean guitars though they are

2149
01:39:41,239 --> 01:39:44,119
like just again, they have that shimmering like again someldone

2150
01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:45,399
were saying one that The Death have an album withou

2151
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:47,319
those kind of gothic moments. It reminded me of that.

2152
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,760
Or there's that kind of like lush, like clean guitar sound.

2153
01:39:52,439 --> 01:39:55,119
It just like listens. It's such a creative swing that

2154
01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:57,199
I'm like, I'm so glad employed to have took this

2155
01:39:57,279 --> 01:39:59,119
on again on an album that has, you know, some

2156
01:39:59,239 --> 01:40:02,039
of their most commerc minded sort of metal songs. You've

2157
01:40:02,079 --> 01:40:04,439
got this, this, this tucked in there and it's amazing.

2158
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:07,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got those draconian times vibes, it's got those

2159
01:40:08,439 --> 01:40:11,079
nocturnal clean guitars that you know, you'd expect one like

2160
01:40:11,079 --> 01:40:14,199
an unto others song, and it works, and it's it's

2161
01:40:14,279 --> 01:40:16,279
got that still kind of hammer swing of employee to

2162
01:40:16,319 --> 01:40:19,199
serve but through this kind of like sparkly starlight filter

2163
01:40:19,840 --> 01:40:21,239
on an album where as we say, a few songs

2164
01:40:21,279 --> 01:40:23,399
before they were doing the kind of low gent you know,

2165
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:25,560
eight string thing. It's a bit mad how much of

2166
01:40:25,600 --> 01:40:28,319
this album actually does like come together and work considering

2167
01:40:28,359 --> 01:40:29,479
and that's the part near the end of the record

2168
01:40:29,479 --> 01:40:31,199
where I went, I didn't fucking see this coming, and

2169
01:40:31,319 --> 01:40:33,880
I'm you've you know, you've tapped into my Heart on

2170
01:40:33,960 --> 01:40:35,640
that particular record, and again.

2171
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:40,239
Speaker 2: Serena song guests spot being that like angelic crystalline vocal

2172
01:40:40,319 --> 01:40:42,319
she died that just sounds so pretty and I'm like

2173
01:40:42,840 --> 01:40:44,680
it again just adds to the text of that song

2174
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:47,199
in a way that feels like just a great use.

2175
01:40:47,079 --> 01:40:49,319
Speaker 1: Of her vocal. Yeah, I think Serena she fits that.

2176
01:40:49,359 --> 01:40:51,039
There's quite a lot of songs out there actually which

2177
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,960
have you Serena Sherry guest spots now and quite a

2178
01:40:53,960 --> 01:40:55,640
lot of time it's almost like it stops dead and

2179
01:40:56,119 --> 01:40:58,479
go now we're in like a Starbard song. She's very

2180
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,880
integrated into the mood here. It is that, you know.

2181
01:41:01,199 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just that that they are like clearly

2182
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:04,960
like just great friends and they've kind of just bounced

2183
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:06,640
off each other like let's let's make this work.

2184
01:41:06,680 --> 01:41:08,319
Speaker 1: The chemistry is there, yeah, but they've really written a

2185
01:41:08,359 --> 01:41:09,520
song that makes it work.

2186
01:41:10,399 --> 01:41:13,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, like we've spoken about it quite a

2187
01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:14,600
lot now, But if there isn't that's going to define

2188
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:17,039
this record for me. In the Employees of Canada, is

2189
01:41:17,159 --> 01:41:21,840
that word texture, Because it's not just maybe the most

2190
01:41:22,039 --> 01:41:27,319
interesting collection of textures they've tried, but it's they managed

2191
01:41:27,319 --> 01:41:30,079
to weave in really interesting ways because we sort of haven't.

2192
01:41:30,399 --> 01:41:31,840
We didn't touch it all that much. But that Jesse

2193
01:41:31,960 --> 01:41:34,880
Leach song, which feels a bit like a victory lap

2194
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:38,239
for the band. There's a slightly symphonic edge to that

2195
01:41:38,359 --> 01:41:40,319
song where it's not you know, it's not going all

2196
01:41:40,399 --> 01:41:42,399
night Wish or Flesh Gold of Poplyps or anything like that,

2197
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:48,520
but there's a sort of dramatic undercurrent of synth on

2198
01:41:48,600 --> 01:41:51,720
that track, which again I just think it's it's the

2199
01:41:51,800 --> 01:41:54,159
sort of thing that even on the last record it

2200
01:41:54,199 --> 01:41:59,119
seems would seem like a bold move, and them arriving

2201
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:02,920
at that thing here with Jesse Leach into it, just

2202
01:42:04,520 --> 01:42:06,800
it shows a boldness and a willingness to along with

2203
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:11,000
the Paradise Lost tune like try new things, even on

2204
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:14,600
the record that is ostensibly reaching out to people who

2205
01:42:15,039 --> 01:42:18,000
might have no connection to those those scenes whatsoever.

2206
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it feels like an album mainly of just

2207
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:23,920
trying to keep themselves on their toes, Like it feels

2208
01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,600
like it's just challenging themselves off again, like what if

2209
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:27,760
we were to try that, what if we're to go

2210
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,399
here and cool that it's this way and it's got

2211
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:34,520
that different energy about them and I think there's probably

2212
01:42:34,520 --> 01:42:37,800
going to be people who you know, maybe certainly aren't

2213
01:42:38,119 --> 01:42:39,960
blown away by it on first less because it doesn't

2214
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:41,840
do the thing that they have expected employees serve to do.

2215
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,159
But you know, give it a few goes and I

2216
01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:44,560
think there will be some them, you know again, some

2217
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:50,239
satisfying and you know, rewarding experiments and stuff that they're

2218
01:42:50,239 --> 01:42:52,079
going on within it, while still I think, fundamentally all

2219
01:42:52,159 --> 01:42:53,600
the time just ripping your head off the way they

2220
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:55,920
have done. So they employed Serve record Fall and Start

2221
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:58,760
that is coming out this Friday, and as well as

2222
01:42:58,760 --> 01:43:00,600
employed to Serve, we've also got a you know, a

2223
01:43:00,680 --> 01:43:02,680
UK band who are on their label releasing an album

2224
01:43:02,680 --> 01:43:06,159
the same day this coming Friday, Inhuman Nature on Church

2225
01:43:06,279 --> 01:43:10,079
Road Record. Their album is called Greater than Death. We're

2226
01:43:10,119 --> 01:43:12,600
coming hot off the heels of the Warbringer album last month,

2227
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:14,640
which that album rips so much. I think that might

2228
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:16,640
have thrash album of the ear tied up. But if

2229
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:19,000
you are wanting more and you need, you know, your

2230
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:21,960
need for thrash cannot be sated. We hear in Human

2231
01:43:22,079 --> 01:43:24,119
Nature Greater than Death. This band had been around for

2232
01:43:24,319 --> 01:43:26,960
a little while. They released one album actually just before

2233
01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:29,840
the pandemic. We've spoken them about them a couple of times,

2234
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:34,319
mainly appearing at festivals like Bloodstark or Damnation, and I

2235
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:35,920
you know, when I came across them, I thought, oh,

2236
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:37,520
you know, cool, We've got this kind of new wave

2237
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:41,279
of like, you know, crossover leaning thrash bands that have

2238
01:43:41,359 --> 01:43:45,239
come through after Power Trip, High Command, in Forced, Vicious Blade,

2239
01:43:45,279 --> 01:43:47,239
you know, all good bands. We've reviewed all those bands before.

2240
01:43:47,960 --> 01:43:50,039
Here's you know, someone doing that in the UK, hoping

2241
01:43:50,079 --> 01:43:51,560
maybe they can kind of compete on a similar sort

2242
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:54,000
of level. They're a fun live band. The first time

2243
01:43:54,039 --> 01:43:56,600
I saw them, they did a crossover thrashified color of

2244
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,520
Breaking the Law and that won me over completely. And

2245
01:43:59,680 --> 01:44:01,199
as you can tell from that, a lot of heavy

2246
01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:02,720
metal going on. If you like the sound of the

2247
01:44:02,720 --> 01:44:05,680
word steel, then you know there's probably something in here

2248
01:44:05,720 --> 01:44:08,960
for you. They have been you know, releasing EPs and

2249
01:44:09,039 --> 01:44:11,199
splits and stuff for the last bunch of years, but

2250
01:44:11,359 --> 01:44:14,399
now we've actually finally got a second full length album

2251
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:18,279
after that first pre pandemic. One greater than death metal,

2252
01:44:18,359 --> 01:44:18,600
isn't it.

2253
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. This is just like Crush Killed Destroy, just all

2254
01:44:22,039 --> 01:44:26,600
out fresh, attacking it like that. It doesn't do anything

2255
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:28,760
you probably haven't heard before. But you know what, I

2256
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:30,479
saw a song called Possessed it. I was like, I

2257
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:35,319
hope the course of that is then guess what it

2258
01:44:35,399 --> 01:44:39,399
fucking was. And I was like, there we go. Anything else.

2259
01:44:39,520 --> 01:44:40,359
It fucking rocks.

2260
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:44,359
Speaker 3: Like you know, in six years have passed in reality,

2261
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,520
but six years have not passed in the land of

2262
01:44:46,680 --> 01:44:50,159
in human nature. If the last album was nineteen eighty five,

2263
01:44:51,079 --> 01:44:53,319
this is also nineteen eighty five. We have not been

2264
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:55,840
flown into the nineties from there, like, we are still

2265
01:44:55,920 --> 01:44:59,079
firmly in old school crossover terchill with that heavy metal flare,

2266
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:04,239
and if you're anything like me, that's absolutely fine. Everything

2267
01:45:04,279 --> 01:45:07,720
he has present and correct Slayer riffs, Anthrex Gang vocals,

2268
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:12,520
dri speed, some shred not you know, nothing's out of place,

2269
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,520
nothing's amiss, And for the thing that it is, I

2270
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:16,880
think it's very high quality.

2271
01:45:17,239 --> 01:45:20,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, raisor pointed thrash metal. I do

2272
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:22,159
like that again, continue on the Man of War thing.

2273
01:45:22,239 --> 01:45:25,840
It's got a distorted voice, epic voiceover intro like it's

2274
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:29,239
gonna be a tremendous taiale and spoilers it's not really

2275
01:45:29,279 --> 01:45:35,399
a tremendous tale. But you know into you know, dawn

2276
01:45:35,479 --> 01:45:39,800
of inhuman Nature. It's such a cannonade like racing drum

2277
01:45:40,640 --> 01:45:41,439
opening blast.

2278
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:44,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, here we go, Like I really.

2279
01:45:44,319 --> 01:45:47,319
Speaker 1: Fucked up guitar toe. Of these crossover records that we've

2280
01:45:47,359 --> 01:45:49,640
reviewed this last couple of years, this might have like

2281
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:53,800
the ugliest oldest guitar tone. Like it's really it sounds like,

2282
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,039
you know, the walls of the underworld toilets. Like it's

2283
01:45:56,119 --> 01:45:58,840
just a particularly scummy kind of version of what that

2284
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:01,840
thing is. The snare drub is just really like fat

2285
01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:03,680
and low rather than like have that more sort of

2286
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:06,079
tinny crack thing. It's just it's a low gut punch

2287
01:46:06,159 --> 01:46:06,840
every time instead.

2288
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:10,560
Speaker 3: I to me, it speaks to that thing doing the

2289
01:46:10,600 --> 01:46:14,279
sepulcher a special not that long ago where those early

2290
01:46:14,399 --> 01:46:16,800
extreme bands where they're kind of working out the outer

2291
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:19,479
limits and they're still teenagers, and you just get these

2292
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:23,760
really eccentric production styles that maybe weren't even intended by

2293
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,640
the bands, but it was just the nature of what

2294
01:46:25,720 --> 01:46:28,359
they came out with. I love the inhuman nature who

2295
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:33,359
probably have the wherewithal an understanding to technically do something

2296
01:46:33,399 --> 01:46:35,760
a bit more polished, but they don't. They go for

2297
01:46:35,840 --> 01:46:40,399
something that's scummy and weird and totally their own, and

2298
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:45,039
it just means if it was so much more alive

2299
01:46:45,359 --> 01:46:47,399
behind the eyes, Like it sounds like a bunch of

2300
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:50,359
people who've got together and gone, let's make the craziest

2301
01:46:50,359 --> 01:46:57,119
metal record we can and if to me again, that's

2302
01:46:57,279 --> 01:46:58,640
just a recipe for greatness.

2303
01:47:01,000 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean for me, like this is this is again.

2304
01:47:03,039 --> 01:47:05,600
It's got that element of danger to it. It feels

2305
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:09,159
a bit live wire and just like a bit like

2306
01:47:10,039 --> 01:47:12,079
like just really at it again, like the wather the

2307
01:47:12,159 --> 01:47:14,199
rifts come at you when they when they do slow down,

2308
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:18,000
it's meaty and chunky and like throwing its weight around.

2309
01:47:18,720 --> 01:47:21,359
Like Sermons for Annihilation is just riff after rift and

2310
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:23,640
dive bombs, and it's all just kind of like, yeah,

2311
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:25,760
just keep doing this thing. I mean, I was laughing

2312
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:28,479
when like you get like fortss Delusion, which is like

2313
01:47:28,920 --> 01:47:31,119
on the longer tracks. It's like it's a longer track

2314
01:47:31,159 --> 01:47:32,760
because the first two minutes is just kind of like

2315
01:47:33,159 --> 01:47:35,359
there's one big riff and they just ride out for

2316
01:47:35,439 --> 01:47:37,279
like two minutes and then just go into a normal

2317
01:47:37,399 --> 01:47:39,560
kind of track from there. I was kind of like

2318
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:41,720
that's fine, you know, you're a five minute track. Why

2319
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,000
not just do a sick riff for two minutes and

2320
01:47:44,079 --> 01:47:46,159
then just do your normal song. I mean that was

2321
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:47,960
really fun and it made me laugh when it happened.

2322
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:49,159
Speaker 1: That made me laugh as well. It's like, is this

2323
01:47:49,239 --> 01:47:50,840
gonna be like, you know, your like thing that should

2324
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:53,000
not be all something like Nope, it's again you mentioned

2325
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,159
the secultary. This gave me sort of like a Rig's

2326
01:47:55,159 --> 01:47:57,000
Belieth Remain sort of energy. But it's just like, let's

2327
01:47:57,039 --> 01:47:59,319
just do a stupid riff for two minutes at the

2328
01:47:59,399 --> 01:48:01,159
start before going fast.

2329
01:48:01,279 --> 01:48:01,640
Speaker 3: That will do.

2330
01:48:02,119 --> 01:48:05,520
Speaker 1: Sure fine? I really again go and Possessed a Die,

2331
01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:08,199
which I think maybe is the standout like actual song

2332
01:48:08,359 --> 01:48:12,159
on the record because it's got those like you know,

2333
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:17,479
authentic nineteen eighty five Exodus destruction, that little up and

2334
01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:20,560
now threat ball thing like the gang shouts. It's it's

2335
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:23,039
a song that's straight off of like the mid pace

2336
01:48:23,119 --> 01:48:25,760
sections of Bonded by Blood and like I'm all about that,

2337
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,479
And then they land on the breakdown bit of that

2338
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:28,039
song and.

2339
01:48:28,079 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 3: It's just like what if we've what if?

2340
01:48:30,279 --> 01:48:30,600
Speaker 2: What if?

2341
01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:34,039
Speaker 1: It's like so dumb, very very heavy, you know, it's

2342
01:48:34,039 --> 01:48:35,680
a pritty nuts and bolts record for the most part,

2343
01:48:35,880 --> 01:48:39,119
like Observatceivennhilation has one almost like sort of slightly pointed

2344
01:48:39,239 --> 01:48:42,039
schildern irish sort of melodic solo which does stand out

2345
01:48:42,039 --> 01:48:43,760
a little bit because there's not a lot like it

2346
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:47,840
really on the record. It's a pretty satisfying groove that

2347
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,119
it just sits into for a lot of the time.

2348
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:56,439
Madman's Cage the most over Slayriism song, which like it's

2349
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:58,960
not like every single song is a Slayriism song, and

2350
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,119
the way that we talk about like you know, Spirit World,

2351
01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:03,279
Last Time or Enforced or whatever, like you feel like, yeah,

2352
01:49:05,479 --> 01:49:07,880
exactly like that song comes in, it's like goes ah, okay,

2353
01:49:07,960 --> 01:49:09,760
this is the Slayer one, and it's got a full on,

2354
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,359
like you know, a kind of Slayery breakdown type part.

2355
01:49:14,079 --> 01:49:16,920
The production, like you were saying, it is raw in

2356
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:18,960
a like you know, it serve I'd be more than

2357
01:49:19,039 --> 01:49:21,720
like it's not like fucking morbid visions out of tune

2358
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:25,560
or something like. It is competent, but yeah, the vocals

2359
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:27,600
are very echoing in the mix. I was thinking about

2360
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:29,279
that again. The last Thrash record we reviewed is the

2361
01:49:29,319 --> 01:49:32,880
war Bringer one, and that has this very charismatic vocal personality,

2362
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:34,680
and you get moments like that, kind of like swing

2363
01:49:34,840 --> 01:49:38,600
the hammer away drop in that record. There's something a

2364
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:41,119
little bit like that before the solo in Dawn of

2365
01:49:41,199 --> 01:49:43,399
a Human Man, but you don't really know what he's

2366
01:49:43,439 --> 01:49:45,880
saying what he's doing because he's kind of a mile

2367
01:49:45,920 --> 01:49:48,079
away and it's pretty obviouscated, I go, well, maybe you're

2368
01:49:48,119 --> 01:49:50,760
slightly hampering your ability to really sell a hook there,

2369
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:55,239
but it is, you know best, Jill, And in Lines

2370
01:49:55,279 --> 01:49:56,920
of the Sand there is a gang vocal chant of

2371
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:59,560
their own band names. That's an immediate, guaranteed live pop.

2372
01:50:00,479 --> 01:50:03,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was what I was like, Hey, that popped

2373
01:50:03,880 --> 01:50:05,840
me on the record, so like thumbs up there.

2374
01:50:07,239 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2375
01:50:07,680 --> 01:50:09,960
Speaker 3: I think if we're comparing this that will Bringer record,

2376
01:50:10,000 --> 01:50:12,880
that's more like nineteen ninety one rust and priest practice

2377
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:17,840
what you preach a bit more intellectual, yealy proficient, like

2378
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:22,079
well realized thrash metal. This is much more nineteen eighty

2379
01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:25,079
five and probably not even from the Bay Area, do

2380
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:26,439
you know what I mean? This is maybe from like

2381
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:31,880
Minnesota or something. I'll tell you what. That has a

2382
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:35,000
charm of its own and the way this combines, like

2383
01:50:35,119 --> 01:50:38,039
say Slayer, that slow riff in forested delusion sounding like

2384
01:50:38,159 --> 01:50:40,880
candle Mass or something like when it gets a bit

2385
01:50:41,279 --> 01:50:44,560
speed metally almost like Helloween in the melodic department, and

2386
01:50:44,680 --> 01:50:48,439
like you mentioned death but spiritual healing Era a bit

2387
01:50:48,479 --> 01:50:50,560
of that folding into the mix. It's hit a lot

2388
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:53,560
of touch points that just happened to appeal to me.

2389
01:50:54,199 --> 01:50:57,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, judging it very harshly, it's

2390
01:50:57,720 --> 01:51:00,760
a little rudimentary, like is it the best or most

2391
01:51:00,880 --> 01:51:03,880
distinct crossover the record that we've had of Like, I

2392
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,000
don't think so. I know, I think this is more

2393
01:51:06,079 --> 01:51:08,760
that kind of like upstairs room of a Camden pub,

2394
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:13,439
just blood and beer sloshing about energy. It's not necessarily

2395
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:15,760
as like you know, like when I think about like

2396
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:18,680
the Vicious Blade album from last year that's really like charismatic,

2397
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:21,880
you know, and gripping or high command are actually quite

2398
01:51:22,359 --> 01:51:25,319
involved and compositionally kind of engaged. Yeah, when they do

2399
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:28,159
those longer songs and stuff. But this is like fast

2400
01:51:28,319 --> 01:51:30,680
and scummy and it pumps your blood up, which might

2401
01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:33,159
just be what you need. Dead and Bury the final

2402
01:51:33,239 --> 01:51:35,479
song of the record also like you know, bang a good.

2403
01:51:35,920 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 2: Again gang vocal shout of the of the of Dead

2404
01:51:37,960 --> 01:51:39,840
and Buried, Like, I think this is a very hard

2405
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:43,720
album to dislike. Yes, it is quite basic, but it's infectious.

2406
01:51:43,800 --> 01:51:46,279
It's just kind of like it's a nice like you

2407
01:51:46,319 --> 01:51:47,640
don't have to think much when you put it on,

2408
01:51:47,920 --> 01:51:50,520
but you will smile if you have any interest in

2409
01:51:50,720 --> 01:51:53,479
kind of like fresh music. It just it just hits

2410
01:51:53,640 --> 01:51:55,479
the right sort of spots and I think that's nice.

2411
01:51:56,119 --> 01:51:59,760
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I don't think there's gonna be like if

2412
01:51:59,800 --> 01:52:02,960
you massive crossover appeal for this band, but it is like,

2413
01:52:03,079 --> 01:52:07,119
if you like the thing, it does have crossover appeal

2414
01:52:07,319 --> 01:52:12,279
if you see whatever. Yes, anyway, So I for me

2415
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:14,520
it works like it's something's going to set the world

2416
01:52:14,560 --> 01:52:16,359
on fire. But if you have an appetite for this

2417
01:52:16,439 --> 01:52:18,119
sort of thing, I think it will associate you.

2418
01:52:18,520 --> 01:52:21,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, firmly that in human nature greater than death. Let's

2419
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:25,039
move on to going. I think it's that's like slightly

2420
01:52:25,039 --> 01:52:26,840
bigger than human nature, but I feel that we're going

2421
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:29,840
into the slightly artsier underground realms. We're gonna talk about

2422
01:52:29,880 --> 01:52:32,920
a band called Messa and their album is called The Spin.

2423
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:37,399
First time review for us Messa, I was quite surprised.

2424
01:52:37,439 --> 01:52:39,680
It is actually the band's fourth album, that's my ignorance

2425
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:42,000
clearly there, because the first time I heard this band

2426
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:45,159
was their last album, Close, came out in twenty twenty two,

2427
01:52:45,399 --> 01:52:48,079
and it got quite a bit of underground acclaim. I

2428
01:52:48,119 --> 01:52:51,000
thought it was pretty good. I thought maybe a little

2429
01:52:51,039 --> 01:52:53,800
bit overemphasized for kind of the stage they had actually

2430
01:52:53,800 --> 01:52:56,119
gotten it too. Yeah, it's way too long, but I

2431
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:57,720
was like, there's something to keep an eye on there

2432
01:52:57,840 --> 01:53:01,359
of an interesting mix of styles. Elliott I wondered if

2433
01:53:01,399 --> 01:53:04,159
you maybe had, like, you know, more of an ongoing relationship,

2434
01:53:04,199 --> 01:53:06,760
and you suggested that prior to you know, doing this

2435
01:53:06,840 --> 01:53:08,600
with Mesa, you were also kind of, I guess slightly

2436
01:53:08,640 --> 01:53:10,640
similar to myself there in terms of like being about

2437
01:53:10,640 --> 01:53:14,359
that you hadn't fully gone in on. Yeah, they're a

2438
01:53:14,479 --> 01:53:16,720
band that I know a few people that are absolutely

2439
01:53:16,760 --> 01:53:18,880
mad for them, But for Damnation, there are a few

2440
01:53:18,880 --> 01:53:20,479
people going, oh, that's going to be one of the

2441
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:24,600
bands of the whole event. I think I was familiar

2442
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:26,359
with their name beforehand, but I soon wasn't familiar with

2443
01:53:26,399 --> 01:53:29,560
any of their music. So I'm going into this with

2444
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:34,039
I would feel comfortable saying call it no prior knowledge

2445
01:53:34,279 --> 01:53:36,880
apart from the passionate consistence of a select few people

2446
01:53:36,920 --> 01:53:38,039
in my life who think I'd love it.

2447
01:53:38,439 --> 01:53:39,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

2448
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:42,399
Speaker 1: And you know, with that in mind, the chat around

2449
01:53:42,439 --> 01:53:43,840
this album I thought was a little bit too much

2450
01:53:43,880 --> 01:53:45,800
to ignore at this point because I mean, just to

2451
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,520
demonstrate in you know, the the last twenty four hours

2452
01:53:48,560 --> 01:53:50,399
from us recording this, I think that's about at least

2453
01:53:50,439 --> 01:53:52,560
two different people have posted into the That's not my

2454
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:55,439
old Facebook group. It's clearly like going down well with people.

2455
01:53:55,520 --> 01:53:56,920
And I think particularly I was hearing some of the

2456
01:53:57,000 --> 01:53:59,319
talk about maybe the direction they decided to go in

2457
01:53:59,479 --> 01:54:02,279
on this record. They've moved from kind of sort of

2458
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:06,479
you know, like artsy underground labels Fart Records onto more

2459
01:54:06,640 --> 01:54:10,479
in the spotlight Metal Blade Records and Messer are an

2460
01:54:10,520 --> 01:54:12,520
Italian doom metal band, just to give them the sort

2461
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,680
of background with some sort of progressive leanings. And I

2462
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:17,560
could see why off the back of that album close

2463
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:20,000
like they would turn some heads because it's quite you know,

2464
01:54:20,640 --> 01:54:22,960
quite weird. You know, it's very lush, quite broad in

2465
01:54:23,079 --> 01:54:28,399
its stylistic reference points, and it's certainly ambitious, but some

2466
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:29,960
of the stuff that they were beginning to touch on

2467
01:54:30,079 --> 01:54:33,399
there in regards to doom, that's a bit more ethereal

2468
01:54:34,359 --> 01:54:36,359
washing over you in a sort of ambient capacity whatever.

2469
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:40,079
I think this album goes a lot further into like

2470
01:54:40,319 --> 01:54:45,000
developing a coherent identity for themselves and like realizing what

2471
01:54:45,079 --> 01:54:47,319
it is I think they're after, and in a more

2472
01:54:47,840 --> 01:54:51,119
appealing digestible package as well, because it's doom. But this

2473
01:54:51,239 --> 01:54:54,359
is also absolutely for the Goths. And when we say,

2474
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:56,920
you know, gothic doom, you might think of that, you know,

2475
01:54:57,159 --> 01:55:00,560
Paradise Lost My Dying Bride type thing. It's not really that,

2476
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,079
and it's not really you know, sort of type of

2477
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:05,479
negative either. It's more like Doom come from this, like

2478
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:09,760
fuzzier orange amp stoner doom the kind of foundation. But

2479
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,079
over the years, I guess, in particularly here, they've smothered

2480
01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:14,880
that in like the Cure and Susie the Banshees and stuff,

2481
01:55:15,039 --> 01:55:19,159
and on this it's made quite a a beguiling little

2482
01:55:19,239 --> 01:55:21,039
kind of flavor and world of an album. I think.

2483
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:25,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'd gone into this with the expectation

2484
01:55:25,159 --> 01:55:29,920
this was going to be some real glacial, patient doom metal,

2485
01:55:30,479 --> 01:55:32,560
but based on just maybe the name, the logo, I

2486
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:35,399
don't know, seeing them on the Damnation Bill, that was

2487
01:55:35,479 --> 01:55:39,159
the immediate scene and start that I would reach for.

2488
01:55:40,279 --> 01:55:42,479
This is as much as it's doom metal or even

2489
01:55:42,520 --> 01:55:47,640
stone metal. There's eighties post punk, there's goth dare I say,

2490
01:55:47,800 --> 01:55:51,880
like jangle pop bits of it, and I happen to

2491
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:56,479
love all that stuff, So I'm glad this is what

2492
01:55:56,680 --> 01:55:59,880
it is. I prefer getting this sort of record then

2493
01:56:00,159 --> 01:56:03,039
another Glacial Duma, which again is something that I'm into.

2494
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:08,199
But this was just purely enjoyable. I mean, it wasn't

2495
01:56:08,279 --> 01:56:11,119
like some of those bands, even the ones I love.

2496
01:56:12,279 --> 01:56:13,960
You have to be in the right head space to

2497
01:56:14,039 --> 01:56:16,359
sit with them putting this record on, as I've done

2498
01:56:16,359 --> 01:56:19,479
a few times now. It's just a treat because it

2499
01:56:19,640 --> 01:56:23,119
draws on so many things that I find effortlessly enjoyable.

2500
01:56:23,880 --> 01:56:26,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too in that regard. Sam, you know a

2501
01:56:27,039 --> 01:56:29,439
band who I think there are there are other records

2502
01:56:29,479 --> 01:56:31,840
in their catalog again are like maybe a little bit

2503
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:33,840
more like what Elliot's describing in terms of like you

2504
01:56:33,960 --> 01:56:36,560
gotta fucking sit with them for a bit. This, you know,

2505
01:56:36,600 --> 01:56:38,119
it's not it's not to say it's it's all just

2506
01:56:38,279 --> 01:56:43,079
like you know, the Scowl record, but that immediate goffy

2507
01:56:43,359 --> 01:56:45,720
edge and those kind of you know, almost like four

2508
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:47,520
on the floor, dance bits at points and those like

2509
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:50,520
guitar leads and stuff. Does that go a little bit

2510
01:56:50,520 --> 01:56:51,680
further in terms of selling it to you?

2511
01:56:52,640 --> 01:56:56,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really love parts of this record. I find

2512
01:56:56,199 --> 01:56:59,000
other parts of it a little tedious, but I do

2513
01:56:59,479 --> 01:57:02,520
generally have a good time listening to this good I think,

2514
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:05,479
like the first three songs are like fucking unreal, Like

2515
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:08,319
the album starts so strong with that opening run like

2516
01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,920
up too, fire on the roof. I'm just like, yeah,

2517
01:57:10,960 --> 01:57:12,920
this is so this is this is a bit of

2518
01:57:13,039 --> 01:57:16,439
me with that kind of like glacial like goths lickness,

2519
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:18,800
but were like like far those minds were like that

2520
01:57:20,720 --> 01:57:23,560
Magat was Magahart. Yeah, like that kind of like dancing

2521
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:25,359
kind of like post punk but with that kind of

2522
01:57:25,399 --> 01:57:28,199
like rougher attitude and golf and brab like there's there's

2523
01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:29,439
that sort of stuff on that, and I think it's

2524
01:57:29,640 --> 01:57:32,960
really cool. It does again, I think a few parts

2525
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:34,520
dos me a little bit, but the most part I'm like,

2526
01:57:35,159 --> 01:57:36,640
I'm never kind of like, oh, I don't even listen

2527
01:57:36,640 --> 01:57:38,479
to this because it's you know, it's forty minutes. It's

2528
01:57:38,600 --> 01:57:41,920
quite an easy digestible for the most part. Version of

2529
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:43,479
this sort of thing, which I do I do find

2530
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:44,079
quite nice.

2531
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,319
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the slow parts when they let

2532
01:57:46,359 --> 01:57:47,119
the brass take over?

2533
01:57:47,600 --> 01:57:50,439
Speaker 2: Yes, I am let the bass take over. I've become predictable.

2534
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,600
Speaker 3: I like those bits quite quite a lot.

2535
01:57:53,399 --> 01:57:56,920
Speaker 1: Just sticking with the earlier Gothy sections for a moment,

2536
01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:00,359
I think it's it's maybe less overtly mess than their

2537
01:58:00,439 --> 01:58:02,600
other records, but in a weird way makes it more

2538
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:04,800
direct because it does have that like kind of slight

2539
01:58:05,479 --> 01:58:07,920
dance floor energy to Yeah, I guess I think it

2540
01:58:08,079 --> 01:58:10,279
kind of picks up about you know, in the second

2541
01:58:10,319 --> 01:58:12,720
half of the opening track, Void Meridian, and then it

2542
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:15,239
carries over it at the races, which that riff sounds like,

2543
01:58:15,319 --> 01:58:15,479
you know.

2544
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:17,479
Speaker 3: Postman is so cool on that.

2545
01:58:17,680 --> 01:58:18,760
Speaker 2: I love that opening riff, Like.

2546
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, bands like Nought or Missiles or

2547
01:58:21,319 --> 01:58:22,640
whatever that we brought up of, like you know, a

2548
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:23,880
postmar manterer around at the moment.

2549
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:24,439
Speaker 3: It's totally that.

2550
01:58:24,479 --> 01:58:27,800
Speaker 1: School and it is it gives it an immediacy, which

2551
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:29,560
which works for them because I think again sometimes they

2552
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:32,079
have been a little bit more up in the air ephemeral,

2553
01:58:32,119 --> 01:58:33,600
but I feel like on this one they generally have

2554
01:58:33,680 --> 01:58:36,079
a central kind of pulse that kind of helps guide

2555
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:39,600
and anchor them. I do think like when they lean

2556
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:42,199
into the smokiness, it can really work as well. Like

2557
01:58:42,279 --> 01:58:44,680
the latter half about the races very much works in

2558
01:58:44,760 --> 01:58:47,520
that regard the singer, she you know, she's got a

2559
01:58:47,600 --> 01:58:50,199
kind of softer sort of delivery where she's somewhere between

2560
01:58:50,399 --> 01:58:54,800
that traditional like Jinx dawsony you know, Johannah from Lucifer

2561
01:58:54,880 --> 01:58:58,560
kind of witchy doom vocal and that you know MORSUSI sue, uh,

2562
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:02,920
you know, goth kind of vampires thing that's happening there.

2563
01:59:02,960 --> 01:59:06,359
And it's a cool kind of uh middle ground that

2564
01:59:06,399 --> 01:59:06,920
she finds there.

2565
01:59:07,600 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 3: I think she's got so much Morrissey in her voice,

2566
01:59:12,199 --> 01:59:14,000
and I think the way it plays into this band

2567
01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:16,600
is so interesting because the Smiths are They're a bit

2568
01:59:16,640 --> 01:59:18,840
like Death Tones for me in that I absolutely love

2569
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:21,600
the band themselves. Almost everyone who rips them off or

2570
01:59:21,600 --> 01:59:23,920
even attempts to sound like them or even covers their

2571
01:59:23,960 --> 01:59:29,439
songs sub human scum there. They're no good and Morrissey like.

2572
01:59:29,880 --> 01:59:31,319
Speaker 1: Maybe not the best choice of where as we're talking

2573
01:59:31,319 --> 01:59:36,800
about Morrissey, the.

2574
01:59:38,880 --> 01:59:41,920
Speaker 3: Magic of Morrissey, but that's the wind has been taken

2575
01:59:41,960 --> 01:59:47,039
out of Yeah, yeah, we know. The sort of the

2576
01:59:48,600 --> 01:59:52,600
utility of Morrissey, as I said, yes, is that when

2577
01:59:52,680 --> 01:59:55,880
like the music's really busy, he sort of manages to

2578
01:59:56,000 --> 01:59:59,760
soar over it and sort of a through line through stuff.

2579
01:59:59,760 --> 02:00:03,039
That's why, you know, angular and hard to skit your

2580
02:00:03,079 --> 02:00:06,680
head around. And then when it's really soft and gentle,

2581
02:00:07,560 --> 02:00:09,840
he's the kind of resonant quality that carries you through.

2582
02:00:10,279 --> 02:00:13,159
And she seems to have taken that element of his

2583
02:00:13,239 --> 02:00:17,399
singing and sometimes even adopting is like vocal mannerisms and

2584
02:00:18,279 --> 02:00:21,840
applying it here means that these, like I say, more

2585
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:25,960
dance floor filling goth rock songs, they just have this

2586
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:30,399
like errudite, dramatic quality to them that I think that

2587
02:00:30,520 --> 02:00:32,680
they would lack if it wasn't there absolutely.

2588
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 1: But then they also have led Zeppelin, and that's kind

2589
02:00:35,680 --> 02:00:37,680
of like another angle because I want to go back

2590
02:00:37,680 --> 02:00:39,920
to the song Fire on the Roof, which is again

2591
02:00:39,920 --> 02:00:42,680
a lot of this record is quite you know that

2592
02:00:42,800 --> 02:00:45,840
that sultry goth thing. Fire on the Roof is a

2593
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:48,760
seventies hard rock song that has like a kind of

2594
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:51,600
almost like a perturbatory John Carper to sort of like

2595
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:56,520
Bassynthia at the start, but then very much like a uh,

2596
02:00:56,960 --> 02:00:59,319
you know, it elects that kind of seventies rock soul

2597
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:02,079
takeover with the chorus, which is a really good fit

2598
02:01:02,199 --> 02:01:04,359
for them, where they put the vocal thrust right at

2599
02:01:04,399 --> 02:01:06,640
the center. It's got a really great seventies rock lead

2600
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:08,760
that perst in voy. Meridion has a bit of that

2601
02:01:08,840 --> 02:01:11,560
as well, and you know, it means a bit more

2602
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:14,000
business as like an actual tune that I'm used to

2603
02:01:14,079 --> 02:01:15,800
kind of Messa doing or who usually take their time

2604
02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:17,479
a lot lot more and I was into that.

2605
02:01:18,359 --> 02:01:20,279
Speaker 2: I mean those things. I was kind of like when

2606
02:01:20,319 --> 02:01:21,760
I got Fire on the Roof, like those first of

2607
02:01:21,760 --> 02:01:23,479
a single, was like, oh cool, and they was like,

2608
02:01:23,520 --> 02:01:25,640
oh this is you like just with a bang, because

2609
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:27,520
it's still got that kind of golf dancing, but it

2610
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:30,359
has got like big rocking guitars. I feel like Immolation,

2611
02:01:30,560 --> 02:01:32,640
which is you know, starts as a more kind of

2612
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:36,359
pure piano ballad. It then gets that big guitar solo

2613
02:01:36,600 --> 02:01:40,199
that is again properly rocking that comes out. It's very

2614
02:01:40,399 --> 02:01:42,880
grand sounding. I think they've got a real good, like

2615
02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:44,720
at their best on something. They've got a real good

2616
02:01:44,800 --> 02:01:47,439
command of drama, both in the vocals and the music

2617
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:49,680
that do that do make the best moments on this

2618
02:01:49,800 --> 02:01:50,359
really pop up.

2619
02:01:50,479 --> 02:01:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe Fire on the Roof wasn't one

2620
02:01:52,279 --> 02:01:53,920
of the kind of advanced single tracks from it. Like

2621
02:01:53,960 --> 02:01:55,680
I really hope they, like, you know, for example, Come

2622
02:01:55,720 --> 02:01:57,359
Dan Nation they put that in the set because that's

2623
02:01:57,399 --> 02:02:00,640
like clearly the obvious, like actual rock song on it,

2624
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:03,079
And I'm that wasn't a single. But yeah, the record

2625
02:02:03,319 --> 02:02:06,279
it's like forty minutes and that's about like twenty plus

2626
02:02:06,359 --> 02:02:08,840
minutes shorter than their last one, and it is to

2627
02:02:08,920 --> 02:02:13,000
me it feels more like, you know, seven songs that

2628
02:02:13,119 --> 02:02:16,199
really kind of make sense together and less like His

2629
02:02:16,439 --> 02:02:19,199
and a sprawling hour of music and you can kind

2630
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:21,079
of cherry pick the bits that best work, which is

2631
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:22,960
sort of how I felt about that last album. This

2632
02:02:24,239 --> 02:02:25,720
it feels like, here's like a you know, forty one

2633
02:02:25,760 --> 02:02:27,479
minutes or whatever it is. I can kind of I

2634
02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:29,600
want to return to it as like a mood and

2635
02:02:29,640 --> 02:02:32,479
a piece unto itself about it being kind of too

2636
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:36,600
strenuous or demanding. And again we're mentioning Doom. It's not

2637
02:02:36,760 --> 02:02:40,560
like that heavy an album sonically for what you think

2638
02:02:40,600 --> 02:02:43,000
of as Doom. It's just got tons of atmosphere and

2639
02:02:43,079 --> 02:02:45,079
tons of like you know, kind of noir gloom about it.

2640
02:02:46,560 --> 02:02:49,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think in that second half that thing

2641
02:02:49,640 --> 02:02:51,319
we were saying that was so cool about the first off,

2642
02:02:51,399 --> 02:02:53,680
like the efficiency of songwriting and the focus and the

2643
02:02:53,720 --> 02:02:58,479
atmospheric qualities. Even if the form of the songs changes,

2644
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,439
that's will carries through. I think, you know, something like

2645
02:03:02,600 --> 02:03:05,680
the Dress, which genuinely sounds like King Crimson, like it

2646
02:03:05,720 --> 02:03:07,159
sounds like it could be off Red. That's sort of

2647
02:03:07,159 --> 02:03:11,000
bleeding saxophone, those discordant riffs. You know, you compare this

2648
02:03:11,119 --> 02:03:14,079
song to something that's on that record, and it's half

2649
02:03:14,119 --> 02:03:17,520
as long. It's much easier to follow. It feels like

2650
02:03:17,640 --> 02:03:20,840
the band are super deliberate in what comes next to

2651
02:03:20,840 --> 02:03:23,520
It has a very natural song structure to it. So

2652
02:03:24,239 --> 02:03:27,039
even if it's not doing the same thing of filling

2653
02:03:27,119 --> 02:03:31,399
dance floors, it still feels like the approaches at least

2654
02:03:31,439 --> 02:03:33,279
somewhat comparable. So it doesn't just feel like a record

2655
02:03:33,279 --> 02:03:36,000
of two halves which you can easily separate and discard

2656
02:03:36,079 --> 02:03:39,520
one or the other. No, I think all seven songs

2657
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:43,399
here have like something they offer to the album. And again,

2658
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:45,359
maybe some of these are the ones that slightly test

2659
02:03:45,359 --> 02:03:48,479
Sam's patience a bit, but like I mean, Immolation with

2660
02:03:48,600 --> 02:03:50,880
the beginning with just having the piano is so like

2661
02:03:51,399 --> 02:03:54,640
Noirrish jazz lounge. Like the second it starts, I've got

2662
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:57,560
like a nineteen forty suit on and a cigarette in hand,

2663
02:03:58,079 --> 02:04:01,279
and like it is, you know, having that to their

2664
02:04:01,359 --> 02:04:03,560
advantage more than just being like a fuzzed out stone

2665
02:04:03,600 --> 02:04:05,279
of doom band works. And then you get into the Dress,

2666
02:04:05,600 --> 02:04:10,359
which does after that kind of gothy opening riff, goes

2667
02:04:10,720 --> 02:04:13,439
like legitimate like Loane trumpet on the balcony, that old

2668
02:04:13,479 --> 02:04:17,279
cliche going back and forth with like a legitimate jazz

2669
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:20,239
league guitar, and it's pretty you know. That's probably my

2670
02:04:20,279 --> 02:04:22,479
favorite bit of the song, more than actually the riffy section.

2671
02:04:22,600 --> 02:04:24,960
That's like the playoff between there is like pretty raptron.

2672
02:04:26,319 --> 02:04:27,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I think like the song, like the dress,

2673
02:04:27,880 --> 02:04:30,159
it was probably one of the moments I'm less kill

2674
02:04:30,199 --> 02:04:32,199
on the record. I'd feel a lot more negative about

2675
02:04:32,199 --> 02:04:34,159
it if this was, you know, an hour long album

2676
02:04:34,199 --> 02:04:35,319
and there were there was a lot more of this.

2677
02:04:35,439 --> 02:04:37,399
I'm like, I'm finally, you know, if you're gonna do

2678
02:04:37,439 --> 02:04:39,840
your eight minute songs on a four minute record, cool, fine.

2679
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:41,439
Speaker 1: You're allowed your one moment of noodling as a tree.

2680
02:04:42,119 --> 02:04:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, fine, and like like I tune out a

2681
02:04:45,399 --> 02:04:49,760
little bit, but like that that like Melbourne that comes

2682
02:04:49,800 --> 02:04:53,039
out of like the sort of the jazz solo trumpet bit,

2683
02:04:53,199 --> 02:04:55,479
Like that's really cool. After some like so you know,

2684
02:04:55,560 --> 02:04:58,880
you're still doing quite dynamic, interesting things within these aim

2685
02:04:58,880 --> 02:05:01,119
minute songs. And again then they follow with Reveal, which

2686
02:05:01,159 --> 02:05:04,720
is like them going kind of Western. Yeah, and I'm

2687
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:06,960
like cool, like fair enough, you're gonna sound was just

2688
02:05:07,039 --> 02:05:09,600
in between you two eight minute songs. I'm fine with that.

2689
02:05:09,720 --> 02:05:11,880
Like again, not crazy about those songs, but you you've

2690
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,119
sounded in between them a song that I find really

2691
02:05:14,279 --> 02:05:17,039
and again it's got This song was like sabbathy like

2692
02:05:17,279 --> 02:05:19,079
iron Man coded rifts in the middle of that this

2693
02:05:19,239 --> 02:05:21,720
kind of like Western song. So like that, there's tons

2694
02:05:21,760 --> 02:05:24,359
of like interesting ideas. So even if again not crazy

2695
02:05:24,399 --> 02:05:27,640
all of it, I can admire the the the approach

2696
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:28,920
and the swings they will take.

2697
02:05:29,039 --> 02:05:32,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Reveal, I want to remind you this band are Italian, right.

2698
02:05:32,399 --> 02:05:34,560
This isn't like you know, Wake Last Month, where it's

2699
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:36,279
like that's a band from you know, the deep South

2700
02:05:36,319 --> 02:05:39,159
of America. Why the fuck are we in the Bayou suddenly?

2701
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:43,399
Really and then it goes into the fast like it

2702
02:05:43,560 --> 02:05:46,439
it's like a blast beat doom rip of iron Man

2703
02:05:46,720 --> 02:05:49,880
slash Carnival Jesus Hitler riff like I swear to God,

2704
02:05:49,880 --> 02:05:52,439
it's crazy, Like.

2705
02:05:52,439 --> 02:05:55,319
Speaker 2: That is really iron Man codd like a unique spin

2706
02:05:55,399 --> 02:05:57,199
on it. I mean, that's like really cool.

2707
02:05:58,880 --> 02:06:02,479
Speaker 3: It manages to evoke Carnivore but still sounding like dramatic

2708
02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:06,359
and earnest. It still feels somewhat in keeping with, you know,

2709
02:06:06,720 --> 02:06:09,239
the reference once we're making earlier the Smiths and Susie

2710
02:06:09,239 --> 02:06:12,279
in the band she Is, it still feels like it's related.

2711
02:06:12,319 --> 02:06:15,960
It's the same band doing those two things. And I'm

2712
02:06:16,039 --> 02:06:18,199
much more interested in them doing that in a forty

2713
02:06:18,199 --> 02:06:22,479
minute package than a sprawling sixty minute package where they

2714
02:06:22,640 --> 02:06:24,680
sort of I haven't heard that record, but maybe sit

2715
02:06:24,760 --> 02:06:26,520
more in one zone now.

2716
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:30,560
Speaker 1: It's more that it's kind of sparser, I think in

2717
02:06:30,680 --> 02:06:32,520
terms of like where they're really drawing the stuff together.

2718
02:06:32,600 --> 02:06:35,000
This I think concentrates the mood a lot more and

2719
02:06:35,079 --> 02:06:37,600
the songs are more efficient and yeah, like you know,

2720
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:40,199
when I mentioning a song from Carnival's Retaliation, I would

2721
02:06:40,199 --> 02:06:42,199
expect that to be on the Human Nature album, not

2722
02:06:42,720 --> 02:06:44,720
this one. Yeah. I mean I've been at a play

2723
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:46,239
for this band where I kind of like the things

2724
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:48,239
they're playing with, but I felt like they should and

2725
02:06:48,359 --> 02:06:50,680
they're just maybe click a little bit more immediately and

2726
02:06:50,720 --> 02:06:54,000
emotionally than it does, because I mean, you know, like

2727
02:06:54,439 --> 02:06:56,359
my album of the Year last year was Chelsea Wolf.

2728
02:06:56,399 --> 02:06:59,640
This like's me written all over right, but this is

2729
02:06:59,680 --> 02:07:01,359
the first I've heard something of theirs and gone like,

2730
02:07:01,520 --> 02:07:05,159
that's really good. I should definitely like spend more time

2731
02:07:05,199 --> 02:07:07,840
with it, you know, easily for me, their best one today.

2732
02:07:08,359 --> 02:07:09,680
I would say, you know, if you like stuff like

2733
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:12,600
Kingwoman Hangman's Chair and it has that like Doom with

2734
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:16,640
a slightly more eccentric goth you know, tinge Windhand, if

2735
02:07:16,680 --> 02:07:18,800
they were from a moody European goth bar rather than

2736
02:07:18,840 --> 02:07:20,520
you know, the American South, even though as we said,

2737
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:23,560
there is a sudden Southern bit in there, as they're

2738
02:07:23,560 --> 02:07:24,960
playing Damnation at the end of this year, and I

2739
02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:26,960
would be tempted to see them off the back of this.

2740
02:07:27,119 --> 02:07:29,000
So and I know this record has you know, gotten

2741
02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:31,039
probably even more acclaim than we've given it just there.

2742
02:07:31,079 --> 02:07:33,600
So that's Messa with the spin, give it a bash,

2743
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:36,399
you may well really really like it. And finally our

2744
02:07:36,439 --> 02:07:38,960
last album we are going to go to Final Dose

2745
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:43,520
an album called Under the Eternal Shadow, another London based

2746
02:07:43,600 --> 02:07:45,640
band after In Human Nature, which would be a pretty

2747
02:07:45,880 --> 02:07:48,520
nasty bill, wouldn't it, But this one going even nastier.

2748
02:07:48,640 --> 02:07:50,399
And I put this one in because to end off,

2749
02:07:51,119 --> 02:07:53,239
I didn't necessarily know what we'd think of the Messer album.

2750
02:07:53,560 --> 02:07:55,239
I didn't necessarily know what people would make of you know,

2751
02:07:55,319 --> 02:07:57,479
the things on the Employed to Serve album they're doing differently.

2752
02:07:58,000 --> 02:08:00,279
But I heard this and thought, there's no chow answer.

2753
02:08:00,319 --> 02:08:03,840
We don't all like this. Like this just screamed something

2754
02:08:04,119 --> 02:08:05,239
that the three of us would all be.

2755
02:08:05,319 --> 02:08:06,359
Speaker 2: It got a bit of all of us in it,

2756
02:08:06,399 --> 02:08:08,439
hasn't It is like a bit of all of us.

2757
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:11,520
It's got you know, the nasty biscuits in black mal

2758
02:08:11,640 --> 02:08:13,520
are you pairing? It's got a load of raw like

2759
02:08:13,600 --> 02:08:15,319
punk energy, and then just a bunch of like weird

2760
02:08:15,399 --> 02:08:16,119
experiment to it.

2761
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:18,279
Speaker 3: When he loves hiss like virgin.

2762
02:08:18,159 --> 02:08:24,600
Speaker 2: Like one man. But yeah, no, I was like, yeah,

2763
02:08:24,640 --> 02:08:27,159
this is isn't it? I was like, again, a really

2764
02:08:27,199 --> 02:08:29,840
hard am to dislike. It's not reinventing the wielding andything

2765
02:08:29,920 --> 02:08:31,880
radically different. I haven't got loads of notes on this.

2766
02:08:32,159 --> 02:08:34,520
Just like I like that dB, I like that rif

2767
02:08:34,720 --> 02:08:38,520
it's nasty sounding, I'm being a good time, Like yeah,

2768
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:39,039
I mean, I.

2769
02:08:39,079 --> 02:08:41,680
Speaker 3: Said at the top of this that after the modern

2770
02:08:41,720 --> 02:08:43,840
metal called Gauntlet, this reviews packed, feeling like a bit

2771
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,279
of a fresh breath of fresh air. I don't know

2772
02:08:46,319 --> 02:08:49,439
if there's a fresher and breathier breath of fresh air

2773
02:08:49,479 --> 02:08:53,840
than settling down this twenty three minutes ten songs a

2774
02:08:53,960 --> 02:08:56,640
set of crusty black metal tunes under the name Under

2775
02:08:56,680 --> 02:09:00,479
the Eternal Shadow. The cover having like the ladding male

2776
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:05,239
and instead of studded leather gloves, he's holding an axe.

2777
02:09:06,279 --> 02:09:08,520
The frame around the picture looks like that, and the

2778
02:09:08,600 --> 02:09:12,560
band logo looks like that. It's you know, it's like

2779
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:14,920
a bottle of eye percac when you've swallowed poison. Like

2780
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:18,239
it's kind of grim, but you feel so much better

2781
02:09:18,319 --> 02:09:18,520
for it.

2782
02:09:18,720 --> 02:09:20,439
Speaker 1: You know. The best thing about that cover art, right,

2783
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:23,000
you can tell the guys wearing like a chain mail hood,

2784
02:09:23,199 --> 02:09:26,079
but he's also like barely visible in the darkness, like

2785
02:09:26,159 --> 02:09:28,960
he's fucking skinner rink or something like it's it's a

2786
02:09:29,199 --> 02:09:32,760
perfect image a chain mail wearing night terror in your

2787
02:09:32,840 --> 02:09:35,079
peripheral vision like that. I knew I would love this

2788
02:09:35,239 --> 02:09:38,239
straight from the cover art absolutely. Also it comes out

2789
02:09:38,279 --> 02:09:40,159
on Wolves of Hades, which is the label that gave

2790
02:09:40,239 --> 02:09:42,399
us Dodd's read, So I think you can expect that

2791
02:09:42,479 --> 02:09:44,560
kind of like you know, that meeting of like black

2792
02:09:44,600 --> 02:09:47,079
metal and hardcore from them usually that's what this is.

2793
02:09:47,159 --> 02:09:49,560
This is it's maybe a black metal record, but it's

2794
02:09:49,600 --> 02:09:52,239
also in equal parts really a punk record. It falls

2795
02:09:52,279 --> 02:09:56,319
into that crossover boundary of one of the most satisfyingly

2796
02:09:56,520 --> 02:09:59,199
evil and lively sounds when it is explored. And you know,

2797
02:09:59,359 --> 02:10:01,760
bands in that kind of realm as someone like Devil Master,

2798
02:10:01,840 --> 02:10:04,199
who I think do it with maybe more like flamboyance,

2799
02:10:04,680 --> 02:10:07,680
more eccentricity. Lamp of Murmur have a touch of that

2800
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:09,079
to them, but they've gone down the more kind of

2801
02:10:09,119 --> 02:10:11,520
like Epica more all Route, Final Dose just do it

2802
02:10:11,640 --> 02:10:13,760
with like you know, blood spat in your fucking face.

2803
02:10:13,880 --> 02:10:15,279
And there are I do think you know when you

2804
02:10:15,319 --> 02:10:20,279
say about the notes, there are flavors through this where

2805
02:10:20,399 --> 02:10:23,880
I think it actually like it. It's for like twenty

2806
02:10:23,960 --> 02:10:27,920
three minutes of like blackened punk or punkin black, whatever

2807
02:10:27,960 --> 02:10:30,159
the fuck you want to call it. It is actually

2808
02:10:30,239 --> 02:10:33,079
quite a colectic within what it does with that. But

2809
02:10:33,279 --> 02:10:37,880
you know, scattered, sprinkled over just a foundation of that

2810
02:10:38,279 --> 02:10:40,399
just comes together really fucking nicely.

2811
02:10:41,239 --> 02:10:43,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you say, like like right off Spring, for example,

2812
02:10:43,880 --> 02:10:45,600
has a bit of drama going on for like the

2813
02:10:45,680 --> 02:10:48,680
first forty seconds, and then it's d beats and then

2814
02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:51,479
you've got some weird hired vocals like like we're green vocals,

2815
02:10:51,560 --> 02:10:54,239
and then a riff. It kind of like just sprinkles

2816
02:10:54,239 --> 02:10:57,199
in these kind of like odd ideas amongst all the

2817
02:10:57,319 --> 02:11:00,199
kind of blast beats and D beats and nasty riffing,

2818
02:11:00,520 --> 02:11:02,600
and I'm like, cool, I'm fine with you throwing just

2819
02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:05,399
like odd little curveballs amongst the sound that he's just

2820
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,800
so like immediately like satisfying to listen to.

2821
02:11:07,920 --> 02:11:08,079
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2822
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:10,039
Speaker 1: I like bands who play with the energy of punk

2823
02:11:10,159 --> 02:11:14,199
music but are clearly you know, like ingrained in black

2824
02:11:14,239 --> 02:11:17,720
metal culture enough to beat into dungeon synth, which you know,

2825
02:11:17,800 --> 02:11:20,039
like like like Poison Ruin for example. I feel like

2826
02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:22,520
like dungeon punk is maybe the best term I can

2827
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:24,439
come up with to describe exactly what this is. Like

2828
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:27,960
crust or hardcore with dungeon synth and black metal textures.

2829
02:11:28,119 --> 02:11:29,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean poison Ruin was one of the first

2830
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:32,039
things you came to mind for me. Maybe it's just

2831
02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:33,119
the chain mail I was looking at.

2832
02:11:33,199 --> 02:11:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, even though they're nowhere here as like blackened as this,

2833
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:37,159
but it's again the dungeon punk thing.

2834
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:39,000
Speaker 3: No, no, it's the same thing.

2835
02:11:39,039 --> 02:11:39,199
Speaker 1: Word.

2836
02:11:39,399 --> 02:11:41,199
Speaker 3: You know, when someone first pitched that scene and they said, oh,

2837
02:11:41,239 --> 02:11:43,800
they're like an OI band, but with dungeon synth, you

2838
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:48,159
I can't even fathom side. And you know, just two

2839
02:11:48,239 --> 02:11:51,199
years later, seeing this and hearing that as a combination,

2840
02:11:51,600 --> 02:11:54,039
I have you know, I have no questions. I just go, Yeah,

2841
02:11:54,239 --> 02:11:56,840
sounds fantastic. Put all those things together, like three great

2842
02:11:56,880 --> 02:11:59,960
tastes that taste great together, like this sound will probably

2843
02:12:00,039 --> 02:12:02,199
a good review out of me, even if the songs

2844
02:12:02,239 --> 02:12:05,800
weren't good, because I just as a combination of things

2845
02:12:06,319 --> 02:12:10,039
that just so like intrinsically appeals. But there are so

2846
02:12:10,119 --> 02:12:11,960
many like standout moments on this record.

2847
02:12:12,279 --> 02:12:12,479
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2848
02:12:12,680 --> 02:12:14,840
Speaker 3: Sometimes if a band just puts together a kind of

2849
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:19,600
neat idea, that's theirs they can get by. I feel like,

2850
02:12:19,680 --> 02:12:21,479
especially within Black Mole, that you can get pretty far

2851
02:12:21,600 --> 02:12:23,319
on that I mean, if you have not, I wouldn't

2852
02:12:23,319 --> 02:12:26,439
say it goes fast like a novelty, but a selling point.

2853
02:12:26,840 --> 02:12:28,880
Sometimes that can be enough to sustain you for a

2854
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:32,319
certain record of this length. But listening to this, you

2855
02:12:32,439 --> 02:12:35,359
just you can rattle off the number of cool moments

2856
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:38,960
that make up this record. I'm thinking, I don't even

2857
02:12:39,079 --> 02:12:41,279
really know where to start, but like the second half

2858
02:12:41,319 --> 02:12:43,960
of where that acts, when it goes down tempo that

2859
02:12:44,119 --> 02:12:47,039
sounds like a Nails beat down, it goes so fucking hard,

2860
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:51,560
and it's that's on the record where just moments ago

2861
02:12:51,560 --> 02:12:53,640
we were saying, oh, it sounds a bit like you know,

2862
02:12:54,000 --> 02:12:56,359
Dungeons and Dragons like synth music.

2863
02:12:56,760 --> 02:12:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I make no mistake of the last

2864
02:12:58,840 --> 02:13:01,840
kind of thirty Days thing. This is the fucking ripper.

2865
02:13:02,039 --> 02:13:05,359
Like this album just absolutely will not calm down, even

2866
02:13:05,399 --> 02:13:09,239
when it is actually miserable, but it's scathing. The black

2867
02:13:09,279 --> 02:13:13,119
metal blasts in Eternal Winter is so full on, and

2868
02:13:13,239 --> 02:13:15,000
when the rift ships there's a lot of that kind

2869
02:13:15,039 --> 02:13:17,920
of like boo but that kind of punk tempo on

2870
02:13:18,000 --> 02:13:21,560
this it's just really like satisfying. And when they take

2871
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:24,199
that rift at about thirty seconds later, just lay into

2872
02:13:24,279 --> 02:13:26,560
it even more stupidly. That's the moment where I just

2873
02:13:26,600 --> 02:13:28,000
start hollering and then I'm just doing that for the

2874
02:13:28,039 --> 02:13:32,079
rest of the record. Basically, the rifts are simple, very graspable,

2875
02:13:32,720 --> 02:13:36,600
very again you can hear like genuine old fast hardcore

2876
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:40,640
in that, but with like black metal blood dripping off

2877
02:13:40,640 --> 02:13:43,239
the gata tone kind of applied to that, like those

2878
02:13:43,359 --> 02:13:46,279
slashing chords. I'm gonna highlight the song Revenge right near

2879
02:13:46,359 --> 02:13:48,960
the end, which those like punk toms like do do

2880
02:13:49,319 --> 02:13:52,119
with that rift coming in just absolutely gets me going

2881
02:13:52,159 --> 02:13:52,640
is right away.

2882
02:13:53,479 --> 02:13:56,279
Speaker 2: I mean I go back to Eternal Winter, there's literally

2883
02:13:56,359 --> 02:13:59,359
just the big howl before that rift comes in like that,

2884
02:13:59,520 --> 02:14:01,319
that's the character on this anwhere like you can have

2885
02:14:01,479 --> 02:14:03,840
like a wolf for playing that riff and it's so

2886
02:14:04,119 --> 02:14:06,720
fucking sick. Revenge is one where I'm like, that is

2887
02:14:06,840 --> 02:14:10,159
like the most is like bull doze you over, like

2888
02:14:10,800 --> 02:14:14,159
crosspunk hacking at the ribs. He's like vomiting out those

2889
02:14:14,279 --> 02:14:17,279
vocal lines, and the drums are just like get harder

2890
02:14:17,319 --> 02:14:20,159
and harder as the song goes on. I'm like trying

2891
02:14:20,199 --> 02:14:22,479
to destroy the drum kit by the end because it's

2892
02:14:22,560 --> 02:14:22,800
just that.

2893
02:14:23,000 --> 02:14:25,560
Speaker 3: Hard the drum pound on that song it's like he's

2894
02:14:25,600 --> 02:14:27,279
given up on the d be because he doesn't think

2895
02:14:27,319 --> 02:14:30,359
it is energizing enough. He just decides to hit the

2896
02:14:30,640 --> 02:14:33,760
high hat, the snare, and the bass drum all at once,

2897
02:14:33,880 --> 02:14:37,119
all at the same time. It's basically a gabber drum pattern.

2898
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:41,319
I mean the absolutely go and apologize to Trey as

2899
02:14:41,720 --> 02:14:43,920
because clearly that is a good idea, you know, like

2900
02:14:44,399 --> 02:14:46,239
it took a few years to really work out how

2901
02:14:46,319 --> 02:14:50,119
to use it. But it just sounds so aggressive mentioned

2902
02:14:50,199 --> 02:14:53,159
him again, But listen back to them like best your devastation,

2903
02:14:53,399 --> 02:14:55,520
and it's just a guy who he's so excited to

2904
02:14:55,560 --> 02:14:57,439
play the drums. He just has to hit everything as

2905
02:14:57,439 --> 02:14:59,600
hard as gain as fast as he can. That sort

2906
02:14:59,600 --> 02:15:01,960
of energy and something that is much more accomplished than that.

2907
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:05,399
It does just sort of like turn up to eleven

2908
02:15:05,600 --> 02:15:08,479
at the right moment. Yeah, and I'm quite impressed on

2909
02:15:08,479 --> 02:15:10,039
how much the songs do pack in. I think a

2910
02:15:10,119 --> 02:15:11,680
song like where that act fits in like a lot

2911
02:15:11,720 --> 02:15:14,720
of time changes and the final riff is legitimately quite

2912
02:15:14,760 --> 02:15:17,279
climactic because of that. And go back to the song

2913
02:15:17,399 --> 02:15:20,920
right a spring track three. You've had two basically punk

2914
02:15:21,000 --> 02:15:24,560
songs at the start. Suddenly we have a DSBM kick

2915
02:15:24,760 --> 02:15:29,119
like that goes into like slow depressive, Like it's got

2916
02:15:29,199 --> 02:15:32,239
that feel of like I'm like howling bleeding out in

2917
02:15:32,319 --> 02:15:34,520
a bath tub under a full moon, and the felt

2918
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:37,319
is just like really crying out in anguish. But then

2919
02:15:37,359 --> 02:15:39,239
it just doesn't sit in that for like too long

2920
02:15:39,279 --> 02:15:41,000
because it's spliced in with the punk, and you have

2921
02:15:41,119 --> 02:15:43,199
like Locked in the Black Dungeon, which again really goes

2922
02:15:43,239 --> 02:15:47,159
to that like DSBM misery and pain. They have like

2923
02:15:47,680 --> 02:15:50,520
slower you know, Celtic frost or dark throwne sort of breaks,

2924
02:15:50,560 --> 02:15:52,520
but then they'll top them off with like quite creepy

2925
02:15:52,640 --> 02:15:55,439
weaver the clean guitars, which is a nice touch.

2926
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:58,640
Speaker 1: And then you mentioned as well like that like slightly tuneless,

2927
02:15:58,920 --> 02:16:02,119
clean vocal, folky melody that comes in. There's a right

2928
02:16:02,159 --> 02:16:03,680
of spring and the song wretched as well, and it's

2929
02:16:03,720 --> 02:16:06,479
like something from like like an Eyes and Guard or

2930
02:16:06,520 --> 02:16:09,199
like an old night Gorgaroth record or something that kind

2931
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:11,680
of like kind of just teetering over the edge of

2932
02:16:11,760 --> 02:16:14,640
sanity on the punk, and I like that as an addition,

2933
02:16:14,680 --> 02:16:16,880
it's just a bit unhinged and a bit kind of cowalling,

2934
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:17,159
isn't it.

2935
02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:18,199
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2936
02:16:18,239 --> 02:16:20,199
Speaker 3: And I locked in the Black Dungeon, that sort of

2937
02:16:21,199 --> 02:16:24,720
borderline spoken words section. It feels so for an album

2938
02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:26,680
that's already pretty out of the art of the ordinary,

2939
02:16:27,279 --> 02:16:29,920
that bit feels out of the ordinary among the out

2940
02:16:29,960 --> 02:16:32,799
of the ordinary, and that just gives way to these

2941
02:16:33,000 --> 02:16:38,040
haunted house twin leads sections, and it's it just fallows

2942
02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:40,799
an internal logic that only this record and bands of

2943
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:44,200
a remotely similar style will been to or like Wretched

2944
02:16:44,559 --> 02:16:47,600
opening with a sort of bottom style drum fill and

2945
02:16:47,680 --> 02:16:50,440
then be interrupted by the song that it's introducing.

2946
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:52,479
Speaker 2: It's just little things like that.

2947
02:16:52,559 --> 02:16:54,959
Speaker 3: It just that they throw you off balance, and not

2948
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:56,440
in a way where it's trying to go, oh look

2949
02:16:56,440 --> 02:16:59,520
how wacky we are. It just makes it more exciting,

2950
02:17:00,280 --> 02:17:01,440
lively listening experience.

2951
02:17:01,719 --> 02:17:04,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has got like a harsh industrial interlude as well,

2952
02:17:04,120 --> 02:17:07,000
called Servant, which is very much like further drag you

2953
02:17:07,120 --> 02:17:09,319
into this sort of like torture Dungeon. Even I want

2954
02:17:09,319 --> 02:17:11,319
to have the fact that the full on Dungeon scent

2955
02:17:11,440 --> 02:17:14,760
interlude even that has the guy screaming on it, which

2956
02:17:14,879 --> 02:17:17,360
normally black metal does not happen normally actually at the break,

2957
02:17:17,559 --> 02:17:20,920
whereas this is just like a really like you know, sadistic,

2958
02:17:21,520 --> 02:17:23,440
cruel kind of record, and then it ends on a

2959
02:17:23,479 --> 02:17:25,479
folks song, you know, a little bit of acoustic guitar

2960
02:17:25,520 --> 02:17:27,399
at the end, and it's just a very tight run time.

2961
02:17:27,520 --> 02:17:31,040
Quite a few flavors, makes it deceptively eclectic, even though

2962
02:17:31,079 --> 02:17:33,959
it is actually packaged very cohesively together under this banner

2963
02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:37,120
of like what are things you could imagine being captured

2964
02:17:37,159 --> 02:17:40,479
by that album cover? They will appear over the course

2965
02:17:40,520 --> 02:17:42,920
of like the twenty three minutes of the album. It's

2966
02:17:42,959 --> 02:17:45,319
a fucking nasty little record. This it's a real pit

2967
02:17:45,399 --> 02:17:47,479
me up. I hope this band, you know, pop up

2968
02:17:47,479 --> 02:17:49,319
somewhere live this year. I'm kind of surprised I'm not

2969
02:17:49,319 --> 02:17:51,479
playing Incineration in a few weeks because London based, they'll

2970
02:17:51,479 --> 02:17:55,799
be perfect. There you go that. Yeah, but Final Dose

2971
02:17:55,920 --> 02:17:58,239
is his name of that band. Very fun, evil record

2972
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:00,840
under the Eternal Shadow, and that is the end. Are

2973
02:18:01,280 --> 02:18:03,639
maybe slightly the shorter than usual, but certainly won't be

2974
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:07,520
for long. Reviews bag for this month, Thank you very

2975
02:18:07,600 --> 02:18:09,440
much for listening. We say it won't be for long

2976
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:12,319
because obviously on this coming Friday, when you know those

2977
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:14,319
employ to serve and in human nature cup record comes

2978
02:18:14,360 --> 02:18:16,399
out is one of the biggest weeks of the year,

2979
02:18:16,440 --> 02:18:18,559
not only in terms of quantity, which the Hyperblast next

2980
02:18:18,559 --> 02:18:20,959
week is going to be fucking long, but got a

2981
02:18:20,959 --> 02:18:23,000
new Ghost album. We've got a new Machine Heead album

2982
02:18:23,079 --> 02:18:25,959
as well. There's all sorts coming out beyond that into

2983
02:18:26,079 --> 02:18:27,920
next month as well, that we will be talking about,

2984
02:18:28,239 --> 02:18:31,360
of course in depth on the next incoming reviews episode.

2985
02:18:31,399 --> 02:18:33,079
But those are a bunch of records that we want

2986
02:18:33,079 --> 02:18:35,200
to talk about this time. We recommend you go check

2987
02:18:35,239 --> 02:18:38,040
them out. Thanks everybody for being here and for listening.

2988
02:18:38,520 --> 02:18:40,760
Next up from us, as said, you know, next month

2989
02:18:40,799 --> 02:18:43,360
we'll have those reviews, but in the meantime, before then,

2990
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:46,639
we've got the first part of our Poison the Well Special.

2991
02:18:46,760 --> 02:18:48,399
We will have the second part of our Poison the

2992
02:18:48,399 --> 02:18:51,280
Well Special coming up fairly fairly soon. Right before that,

2993
02:18:51,520 --> 02:18:53,959
we have the album Club Pack that is coming up

2994
02:18:54,079 --> 02:18:57,760
with the likes of Rest in Peace, Diary, Colored Sands,

2995
02:18:58,120 --> 02:19:01,479
Killing Joke. That is going to be as usual as ever,

2996
02:19:01,840 --> 02:19:04,360
fun and just gonna be awesome talking about some of

2997
02:19:04,399 --> 02:19:06,440
those records. So if you want to get involved with that,

2998
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:08,600
then patron to Coom Slash That's not Metal is the

2999
02:19:08,639 --> 02:19:09,120
place to be.

3000
02:19:09,920 --> 02:19:12,959
Speaker 3: Otherwise we will be with you very very soon.

3001
02:19:13,319 --> 02:19:16,200
Speaker 1: I enjoy I know everyone who's seen Ghost. At the moment,

3002
02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:18,879
it looks like a great time. Yeah, and we'll be

3003
02:19:18,959 --> 02:19:19,959
back with all that cheers.

3004
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:20,319
Speaker 3: Bye bye.