1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,480 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 I Daily show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free, rite to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,719 smartphone or tablet, And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:34,240 your support. North Carolina lawmakers attempt to get rid of 10 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,280 the state's concealed carrie laws. That's not wrel Oh my gosh, 11 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:44,280 Will Duran at Wil's. They're not repealing all of the 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,159 concealed carry laws. You're still going to be allowed to 13 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,759 have a concealed carry permit. It's just not going to 14 00:00:50,799 --> 00:00:55,640 be required to conceal carry you. If you are a 15 00:00:55,799 --> 00:01:01,280 legal purchaser in other words, not a prohibited purchaser, then 16 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,560 you would be allowed to conceal carry like twenty nine 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:11,519 other states allow. I really wish that some of these 18 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:16,719 reporters that cover these issues would talk to somebody that 19 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:21,439 knows conceal carry law, but they never do. They just 20 00:01:21,519 --> 00:01:26,200 talk to lawmakers who make speeches about I'm against it 21 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,159 or even I'm for it. Go talk to somebody who 22 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:34,319 does a concealed carry class. Those people know the law. 23 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,319 You have to right. They know the process because they 24 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:43,760 have to. They're in it every day. Talk to somebody 25 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:49,159 who has a concealed carry permit. I'm someone who has 26 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:53,239 a concealed carry permit. I will continue to maintain my 27 00:01:53,319 --> 00:01:57,200 concealed carry permit. Why in case I go to a 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,519 state that requires said, mine will be up to date 29 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,959 and I don't have to worry if I'm in a 30 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,840 state that requires it or not. I will always have it. 31 00:02:09,199 --> 00:02:12,360 To me, that's worth it. Now, you don't have to. 32 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,280 I'm not telling you to go out and do it, 33 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,879 but to me, it makes sense. Now. Part of the 34 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:22,680 problem here is that some sheriffs, like Mecklenburg County Sheriff 35 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:28,159 Gary not my fault. McFadden has taken steps and made 36 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:33,120 efforts to obstruct people's abilities to get concealed carry permits 37 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:35,479 or to get them renewed. He's been doing it ever 38 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,000 since he got into office, and that creates this agitation 39 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,800 among Second Amendment activists and advocates as well as concealed 40 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,319 carry permit holders. So this is also referred to as 41 00:02:51,439 --> 00:02:58,319 constitutional carry because the Constitution says Congress shall make no 42 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,120 laws right to a briak, the right to keep in 43 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:06,639 bare arms. So it stands to reason that if you 44 00:03:06,759 --> 00:03:09,719 go through your background check when you purchase your firearm, 45 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:11,960 which people do by the way, which a lot of 46 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,120 reporters and a lot of anti gun activists are not 47 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:19,120 aware of, but they do run your name through the 48 00:03:19,159 --> 00:03:23,319 federal database. In the federal database is supposed to flag 49 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:31,360 people who are prohibited purchasers. Now, if you are not flagged, 50 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,080 you get to buy the gun. So then the question becomes, 51 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,840 how do you transport that gun? When are you allowed 52 00:03:40,879 --> 00:03:44,319 to walk around with that gun? And so in this 53 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:48,560 state you're allowed to actually open carry. Once you get 54 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:51,879 a firearm, you're allowed to open carry. What does that mean? 55 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:55,280 It means I can have the gun on the outside 56 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,240 of my belt with my shirt tucked in so you 57 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,680 can see that I have the gun. And there are 58 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,800 some people who prefer to do that. I am not 59 00:04:05,919 --> 00:04:09,039 one of them. I am not a person that open carries. 60 00:04:09,759 --> 00:04:14,240 Why several reasons. Number one, I recognize that there are 61 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:18,160 a lot of people that are uncomfortable around guns. I 62 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,959 get it, and I'm not looking to be antagonistic towards them, 63 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:26,160 So I conceal carry so they never know and it 64 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,199 makes them at ease. Now, the other side of that argument, 65 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:32,720 which I understand as well, which is that, well, if 66 00:04:32,879 --> 00:04:36,639 more people open carried, then it would be less offensive. 67 00:04:36,639 --> 00:04:38,879 People would kind of get used to it, right, it 68 00:04:38,879 --> 00:04:42,920 would normalize it. And that's a fair argument. And maybe 69 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,439 at some point in the future if everybody's open carrying, 70 00:04:45,639 --> 00:04:47,920 but they're not right now, but at some point, maybe 71 00:04:47,959 --> 00:04:51,199 then that does become the norm, and maybe I then 72 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,560 open carry more often or at all. I doubt it 73 00:04:54,759 --> 00:04:57,920 because here's another reason I don't do it. I don't 74 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,360 want to be the guy that the criminal seas and 75 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:07,800 targets first. Right, So if I've got a firearm strapped 76 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,920 to the outside of my waistband and somebody is, you know, 77 00:05:12,959 --> 00:05:16,680 they if I'm standing in line at the QT, you know, 78 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,480 getting my Chica rones, my porkskins, and if I'm standing 79 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,079 in because it's just protein people, that's the great snack. 80 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:24,800 I love them anyway. So if you're just standing in 81 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,000 line and I'm waiting to you know, check out, I 82 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,560 don't want somebody behind me seeing the firearm and grabbing 83 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,879 it from me or shooting me before they rob the store. 84 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,560 You know, it just paints a target on your back. Now, 85 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,000 the counter argument to that I've heard is that, well, 86 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,319 it'll make people less likely to rob the place in 87 00:05:47,399 --> 00:05:51,399 the first place because they see you with firearms, So 88 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,680 now they're going to be less likely to engage in 89 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,399 the criminal activity. And I am not persuaded by that argument. 90 00:05:56,759 --> 00:06:00,199 I think it increases the risk by open caring. So 91 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,439 I prefer concealing. This way, nobody knows. And by the way, 92 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:07,720 when you have a population of you know, maybe two, three, 93 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:12,079 four or five percent that is concealed carrying, the criminals 94 00:06:12,079 --> 00:06:14,759 don't know who has a firearm, and now they have 95 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:18,240 to assume that anybody has the firearm because they don't 96 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:25,759 actually know, And that then helps to create more security 97 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,800 because you don't know who's armed and who isn't, So 98 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:31,639 you have to assume then that everybody may have a firearm, 99 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:35,879 and that may dissuade the criminal from hitting a certain target. Right, 100 00:06:37,199 --> 00:06:39,839 these are just my views. I am not demanding anybody 101 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:43,079 else follow my lead on any of that. You make 102 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:47,240 your own decisions. I'm a libertarian. I like I live 103 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:47,800 and let live. 104 00:06:47,879 --> 00:06:48,319 Speaker 2: You do you. 105 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life. 106 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:52,079 You know. That's why I don't even tell people have 107 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,759 a nice day, because I'm not trying to force you 108 00:06:54,759 --> 00:06:56,040 into anything. You want to have a bad day, you 109 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,720 go have a bad day. I don't care. Okay. North 110 00:06:58,759 --> 00:07:05,199 Carolina Republicans have passed constitutional carry. It's now going to 111 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:08,920 the Governor's desk where I fully expect him to veto this. 112 00:07:09,839 --> 00:07:12,800 The challenge is going to be for the Republicans is 113 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,519 that it's coming back. It would then come back for 114 00:07:17,639 --> 00:07:21,879 a veto override, and because of the vote count out 115 00:07:21,879 --> 00:07:25,600 of the House, they do not apparently have enough votes 116 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:31,160 to override the governor's veto because two Republicans voted against 117 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:38,360 this bill. North Carolina Republican's effort to get rid of 118 00:07:38,399 --> 00:07:40,879 the state again. It's not getting rid of the concealed 119 00:07:40,879 --> 00:07:44,319 carry laws. It's changing them to allow people who don't 120 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:47,639 want to get the concealed carry permit but still are 121 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,560 allowed to purchase the firearms. They are allowed to conceal 122 00:07:50,639 --> 00:07:55,360 carry because, by the way, spoiler, criminals conceal carry. Not 123 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:59,160 sure you're aware of that, Yeah, they do. Criminals conceal 124 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,480 carry their firearms, and a lot of times you may 125 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,920 want to sit down for this part too. They're not 126 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,240 allowed to buy the guns in the first place, so 127 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:11,759 they are an illegal, prohibited buyer in the first place, 128 00:08:12,439 --> 00:08:16,680 and because they are a prohibited buyer, they conceal carry. 129 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:19,040 So this way, if they do have any encounter with 130 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,399 law enforcement, the cop doesn't know they've got the gun 131 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,519 because they are a prohibited buyer, and they would get 132 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:25,879 in a lot more trouble if, of course, the DA 133 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,439 wants to prosecute that, which in some jurisdictions they don't. 134 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,879 So this is referred to in the news story at 135 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:39,320 WRAL as bipartisan opposition, because when two Republicans break ranks 136 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:44,639 from the fifty nine other Republicans, that's bipartisan. But if 137 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:48,000 you get two Democrats who break ranks, that is called 138 00:08:48,039 --> 00:08:52,200 a gop led bill. Okay, you don't get the bipartisan 139 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:57,200 classification or description when it's two Democrats joining Republicans, but 140 00:08:57,279 --> 00:09:01,159 if you get two Republicans joining Democrats, then it is bipartisan. 141 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Those are the rules. Do not make these rules. This 142 00:09:04,159 --> 00:09:09,000 is the rules of Journalisming the concealed Carry Repeal Senate 143 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,159 Bill fifty passed the States Senate in a party line 144 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,000 vote in March, but it was held up in the 145 00:09:14,039 --> 00:09:17,399 House of Representatives for the last several months. During Wednesday's debate, 146 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,519 Representative Keith Kidwell, Republican, dismissed concealed carry permits as an 147 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:28,120 unconstitutional infringement on people's rights. Representative Phil Rubin, Democrat from Wake, 148 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,120 said the permits require people to pass training and a 149 00:09:31,159 --> 00:09:34,840 background check and help improve public safety. Other states have 150 00:09:34,879 --> 00:09:38,639 already gotten rid of their concealed carry rules, Rubin said, 151 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,519 and gun violence has since risen in all those states. 152 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,759 Kidwell replied that many of those states still have lower 153 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,759 murder rates than states with strict gun control rules. 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Here's the thing, though, 181 00:11:29,039 --> 00:11:35,519 I don't need to denigrate other people's view on on 182 00:11:35,759 --> 00:11:39,440 gun laws and open carry, concealed carry, whatever this is. 183 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:46,360 And I've had these arguments with I don't like the term, 184 00:11:46,399 --> 00:11:49,399 but you know, gun guys, but people who really love guns. 185 00:11:49,399 --> 00:11:51,960 And I have friends who really love guns, like a 186 00:11:52,039 --> 00:11:56,720 dear friend of ours up in Ashville. The guy has 187 00:11:56,759 --> 00:12:00,480 an arsenal okay, and he would buy, he would buy 188 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:04,039 guns and never fire them. He would buy them because 189 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:05,799 he liked them, and then he would put him in 190 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:08,279 his safe and then a couple of years ago buy 191 00:12:08,279 --> 00:12:09,879 and then he sells them and he buys another gun 192 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,759 with it. Just he loves doing the trading and the 193 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:14,960 collecting and the buying and the selling and all of that. Okay. 194 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:17,519 So like I don't dan agree, but one of the 195 00:12:17,519 --> 00:12:22,279 biggest issues, uh, And I would encounter this hopefully by 196 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:26,759 now you know my views on guns, and I would 197 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:32,919 get savaged by quote unquote gun guys if I would 198 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:40,159 use any term that wasn't precisely you know, uh, descriptive 199 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,360 of the thing. Here's the big one. Clips versus magazines, 200 00:12:45,039 --> 00:12:47,080 that's the big one. It's always been the big one. 201 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,559 I don't understand why this one, no pun intended trips 202 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,639 people's triggers like none other. Well, I shouldn't say that 203 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,879 semi automatic is the other one, but that one actually 204 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,840 is useful. When you're in a debate with a gun 205 00:13:00,039 --> 00:13:04,320 grabber and they start talking about, oh, semi automatic rifle, 206 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,399 I always ask, can you just define for me what 207 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:12,240 is semi automatic? Because that one question, preferably at the 208 00:13:12,279 --> 00:13:14,919 beginning of a conversation that you're having with somebody who 209 00:13:15,039 --> 00:13:17,519 is of the gun control crowd. If you ask them 210 00:13:17,519 --> 00:13:20,799 what a semi automatic is and they cannot define what 211 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:24,639 that is for you, that's a really big definition. And 212 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,799 I will just tell you it means one bullet per trigger. 213 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:31,240 Pull right, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. 214 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:35,480 That's it. It's around pete. No, I'm kidding, but like 215 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:40,519 one pull one bullet, right, that's it. And automatic is 216 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:44,080 pull the trigger, hold the trigger and it just goes 217 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,840 boom boom boom bom boom boom bom boom, right and 218 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:50,840 just keeps firing. Semi Automatic is basically every gun on 219 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:53,159 the market. So I usually ask that question in the 220 00:13:53,159 --> 00:13:55,559 beginning of the conversation. Just to find out what kind 221 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,039 of level of knowledge the person has when they are 222 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:05,000 trying to take my gun. So that's all, but a 223 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,320 lot of times it does more damage to the effort, right, 224 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:13,039 to the political effort, to the movement to get hung 225 00:14:13,159 --> 00:14:19,440 up on certain things and to make some to make 226 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,200 the fight about this one thing, and that's not the fight, right. 227 00:14:23,759 --> 00:14:28,360 You know, it's been very helpful in the Second Amendment arguments, 228 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,039 is well, besides the looting and the rioting that we're 229 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:34,960 seeing by the left, one of the things that's very 230 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:40,799 helpful in these discussions has been Donald Trump. Because the 231 00:14:40,919 --> 00:14:43,279 very same people that want to take your firearm away 232 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,559 are also saying that Donald Trump wants to impose tyranny 233 00:14:47,799 --> 00:14:54,200 and authoritarian despotism, right, And so I usually ask, so 234 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:57,840 you believe Donald Trump is a threat to the democracy, Right, 235 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,600 He's going to come round up people, He's going to 236 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:02,080 take over everything. He's going to be the next Hitler, 237 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,120 blah blah blah. Right. Well, if that's the case, wouldn't 238 00:15:06,159 --> 00:15:11,399 you want some protection against that? And I have yet 239 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,879 to hear a cojed answer to this question. So you know, 240 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:17,639 put that in your back pocket if you ever need it. 241 00:15:17,639 --> 00:15:22,159 It's a very helpful argument to me, Dan, welcome to 242 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,759 the program. Hello Dan, how are you? 243 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 3: I'm fine, How are you? 244 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,159 Speaker 1: I'm doing good? What's going on? 245 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:34,879 Speaker 3: Well, I am a concealed carry instructor, and I got 246 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:40,399 to tell you, I'm not real comfortable with this whatever 247 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,720 you want to call it, constitutional carry or whatever, because 248 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:49,639 ninety nine percent of my students before they take my class, 249 00:15:50,559 --> 00:15:56,879 they cannot define deadly force, They cannot define when deadly 250 00:15:57,039 --> 00:16:01,399 force is allowed in the state of North Carolina, and 251 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,360 many of them have never fired a gun in their life. 252 00:16:05,519 --> 00:16:05,759 Speaker 1: Yep. 253 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:13,360 Speaker 3: And you know, make concealed carry permits free. I don't care. 254 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,320 That's okay, But there should be some minimum amount of 255 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:26,080 training in both the law and firearms safety and marksmanship 256 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:31,000 for somebody to be able to carry a gun concealed. Well, 257 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:33,679 if that's really ought to have that for open carry too. 258 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, I mean, 259 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,519 that's what I was going to say. If that's the standard, 260 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:40,480 then why would it only apply to concealed carry holders. 261 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: It doesn't. But at least at least with open carry, 262 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,919 you can see the guy and maybe go, I don't know, 263 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,039 maybe he's an idiot. Maybe he's not well. 264 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: But but then that standard would apply to everybody I 265 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,320 owe it. Like for me, my default position is everybody 266 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,360 around me, particularly on the roads, is an idiot. Oh yeah, right, 267 00:17:01,399 --> 00:17:01,840 So if I. 268 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 3: Don't disagree with you, but but you know, I hear 269 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,200 all too often about you know, you read somebody broke 270 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,200 into my shed last night. They better not break in 271 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,839 tonight because I'll shoot their butts. Well, then you're going 272 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,960 to go to prison for the rest of your life. 273 00:17:20,079 --> 00:17:20,279 Speaker 1: Yeah. 274 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:23,839 Speaker 3: See, this is not legal in North Carolina. 275 00:17:24,119 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: And that's the importance of getting the training. And that's 276 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,440 why I will always get the conceal carry permit is 277 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,759 because you do get the level of training and you 278 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:36,519 do get those I mean I went through the class twice. 279 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,960 I did it twice and so right, because it's good 280 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,160 to get a refresher and you know, laws change and stuff, 281 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:45,880 and you get different examples with different instructors and you 282 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,519 hear these, you know, these different stories of you know, 283 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:51,480 like all the both of the instructors I had would 284 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,519 they would tell a story and then say, okay, you know, 285 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,519 what's the what do you think is the outcome kind 286 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,599 of a thing, and then they walk through why it's legal, 287 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,359 or why that shoot was not legal? And those are 288 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:06,160 very helpful because if you don't have any expertise in 289 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,720 this manner in the matter, then yeah, you may end 290 00:18:08,799 --> 00:18:12,440 up in prison. That's a very real possibility if you 291 00:18:12,559 --> 00:18:15,880 don't follow the law when you go through and get 292 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,559 your firearm and you start carrying concealed yep. 293 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 3: Well, maybe this conversation will convince people that they just 294 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,799 buying something doesn't mean you know how to use it. 295 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very fair point, Dan. I appreciate the call, buddy, 296 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,440 thank you, thank you. All right, take care. Here's another 297 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,960 here's a message from russ. Having the permit is also helpful. 298 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:42,480 God forbid if you ever have to use your weapon. 299 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,279 Case law in constitutional carry jurisdictions around the country is 300 00:18:47,319 --> 00:18:50,200 shaping up to give a slight benefit of the doubt 301 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,640 edge to permit holders compared to those who are not. 302 00:18:55,519 --> 00:18:57,720 Something to keep in mind to all right, if you're 303 00:18:57,759 --> 00:18:59,519 listening to this show, you know I try to keep 304 00:18:59,559 --> 00:19:01,319 up with those sorts of current events, and I know 305 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:03,799 you do too, and you've probably heard me say get 306 00:19:03,839 --> 00:19:07,799 your news from multiple sources. Why, well, because it's how 307 00:19:07,799 --> 00:19:10,400 you detect media bias, which is why I've been so 308 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,759 impressed with ground News. It's an app, and it's a website, 309 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:17,519 and it combines news from around the world in one place, 310 00:19:17,559 --> 00:19:20,839 so you can compare coverage and verify information. You can 311 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:25,640 check it out at check dot ground, dot news slash pete. 312 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,319 I put the link in the podcast description too. I 313 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,920 started using ground News a few months ago and more 314 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,559 recently chose to work with them as an affiliate because 315 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:36,839 it lets me see clearly how stories get covered and 316 00:19:37,000 --> 00:19:40,119 by whom. The blind spot feature shows you which stories 317 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,160 get ignored by the left and the right. See for yourself. 318 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,960 Check dot ground, dot news slash pete. Subscribe through that 319 00:19:48,039 --> 00:19:50,960 link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I 320 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:54,400 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 321 00:19:54,599 --> 00:19:57,359 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 322 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,000 also supports ground News as they make the media line 323 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:06,240 landscape more transparent. The House passed Senate Bill fifty yesterday. 324 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:10,920 This is the freedom to carry. It's a constitutional carry bill. 325 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,960 It does not get rid of the concealed carry permit process. 326 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,039 It actually on a second, let me pull it up here. 327 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,200 It says right there, while General Statute fourteen four to 328 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,680 fifteen thirty five makes it lawful to carry a concealed 329 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,559 weapon in the state without obtaining a concealed handgun permit. 330 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,559 It is often convenient to have a concealed handgun permit 331 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:36,039 for the purpose of reciprocity when traveling in another state, 332 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,480 to make the purchase of firearms more efficient, or for 333 00:20:39,599 --> 00:20:43,519 various other reasons. Therefore, the State of North Carolina shall 334 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:46,880 continue to make a concealed handgun permit available to any 335 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,160 person who applies for it and is eligible to receive it, 336 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:53,880 pursuing to this article. For the avoidance of doubt, the 337 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,200 concealed handgun permit system maintained pursu into this article does 338 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:02,559 not prevent a person from carrying concealed according to this chapter, 339 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,440 so in other words, it remains the perch. The concealed 340 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,640 handgun permit process remains for people who want to take 341 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,319 advantage of it. You can still do it, and there 342 00:21:14,319 --> 00:21:17,400 are reasons to still do it, and I would still 343 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:22,200 do it, but me personally, I would The bill passed 344 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,640 fifty nine to forty eight in the vote, and some 345 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,200 Republicans voted against. The two of them did and other 346 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,920 Republicans skip the vote. They took a walk as it's 347 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,079 called in legislative terms. They took a walk rather than 348 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,480 having to vote one way or the other on the bill. 349 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,319 So obviously this is causing some heartburn for some Republicans, 350 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,119 probably because they don't want to get tagged with, you know, 351 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,160 any kind of connection to a contribution in violent crime 352 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,400 rates rising or something like that. For the next election cycle. 353 00:21:52,599 --> 00:21:55,880 You can imagine the ads that will run. The two 354 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,440 Republicans that sided with the Democrats in opposing the bill, 355 00:22:00,039 --> 00:22:04,920 former federal Prosecutor Ted Davis of Wilmington and Bladen County 356 00:22:05,079 --> 00:22:11,279 Farmer Bill Briston. Davis indicated that his constituents were concerned 357 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:15,480 about the bill eliminating training requirements, and the bill also 358 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:20,119 lowers the age at which you can purchase a handgun 359 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,359 from twenty one down to eighteen. He also referenced how 360 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:28,319 the current permit system allows the state to proactively block 361 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,039 people from carrying guns if they are domestic abusers or 362 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,759 have other criminal or mental health issues. Those safeguards would 363 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:39,599 go away if Senate Bill fifty becomes law. You still 364 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,240 have to go through the background check, and it's still 365 00:22:42,279 --> 00:22:44,960 against the law to purchase a firearm if you are 366 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,839 a prohibited purchaser, and there is a list. You are 367 00:22:49,839 --> 00:22:53,400 not allowed to buy a gun or carry conceal if 368 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:58,200 you are ineligible to own it possess it right. If 369 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,400 you are under indictment for a felony, if you have 370 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:06,039 been adjudicated guilty in any court of a felony, if 371 00:23:06,079 --> 00:23:09,519 you are a fugitive from justice, if you are an 372 00:23:09,559 --> 00:23:15,440 unlawful user of, or addicted to marijuana, alcohol, or any depressant, stimulant, 373 00:23:15,519 --> 00:23:18,920 or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance as defined 374 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,960 another law. If you've currently or been previously adjudicated by 375 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,839 a court to be lacking mental capacity or mentally ill. 376 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,559 If you've been discharged from the armed forces under dishonorable 377 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:38,480 conditions for one or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor. 378 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:42,880 So if you've been adjudicated guilty or received a prayer 379 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:47,960 for judgment continued PJC or a suspended sentence for one 380 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,359 or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor. If you 381 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,279 same thing for crimes of violence under this other constituted 382 00:23:57,319 --> 00:24:00,920 under this other law result to a conviction of a 383 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,960 misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. So if you have that 384 00:24:04,079 --> 00:24:08,119 on your record, you can't buy, and you can't carry concealed. Right, 385 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,000 So there's a whole list of prohibitions. So if you 386 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:14,319 are attempting to follow the law, you would not be 387 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,200 allowed to do this. Oh but pete, what if they're 388 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,839 not following the law? Yeah, those are called criminals and 389 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,160 they're going to do it anyway. Like that's the point. 390 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:25,720 Let me go over and get Dan on. Hello, Dan, 391 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,799 welcome to the show. Hello, Hey, what's up? 392 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 2: So my point was about this semi automatic and automatic weapon. 393 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,480 It's more about how the gun is. 394 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,279 Speaker 1: Fed than this is my point. This is what Dan, 395 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,119 this is exactly what I was talking about. You're going 396 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,480 to get in it right, right, You're right, you're going 397 00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:50,079 to go in and describe the machinery of the of 398 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,000 the firearm. Right. 399 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 2: Well, just the fact that a semi automatic pistol, the 400 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,319 fastest you can pull the trigger is fast you can 401 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,519 pull it, it will discharge a bullet until it's empty. Right, 402 00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:07,759 But automatic weapon will you hold the trigger back and 403 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,160 it's going to empty it as quick as it possibly can. 404 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,480 And that makes one semi automatic and the other one automatic. 405 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,759 But a revolver, That's what I said. One bullet one trigger, 406 00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,079 one bullet, one pull, one bullet, but it's still not 407 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,119 a semi automatic or an automatic. 408 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:25,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I've seen this debate too, and like 409 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,680 the people want to split hairs, gun people want to 410 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,119 split hairs and they want to debate a revolver is 411 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,160 it a semi automatic or is it not or whatever? 412 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:35,400 And to me, it doesn't matter because when you're in 413 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,759 a discussion with a gun grabber, the only thing that 414 00:25:39,799 --> 00:25:42,759 matters is do they understand the concept one bullet per 415 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,920 trigger pull versus lots of bullets just by holding down 416 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,519 the trigger. That's it. And if they don't even understand that, 417 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,799 there's no point. And honestly, there isn't any point in 418 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,039 the gun controlled debate between a revolver and a nine millimeter. 419 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,960 It's because those are they both do the same things right, 420 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,440 and the gung grabbers want all of them gone. So 421 00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:04,279 that's what that's what it is. 422 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I certainly don't disagree with you on anything 423 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,720 you said. I just feel it's important that the feeding 424 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,920 of the bullet, how fast through. What makes everybody scared 425 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,119 to death is when you hear that there was a 426 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,039 semi automatic revolt or rifle used in some sort of 427 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:25,839 shooting that was you know, unfortunate, and they get to 428 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,720 how many bullets it'll it'll get out so fast. Well, 429 00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:31,920 I've got some friends that got some pretty fast fingers. Yeah, 430 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,640 and they can get rid of thirty rounds and no 431 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,240 time at all. 432 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: Sure. 433 00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:38,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they could actually compete with how fast an 434 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:41,880 automatic weapon of fire? So it's like, you know, there 435 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,839 isn't really that much difference between them. If you've got 436 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,079 a really good fast trigger finger. Me, I'm an old man. 437 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:48,079 Mine ain't that fast. 438 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,759 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also probably more record with the semi automatic. 439 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:53,599 I think that it's the term semi automatic that makes 440 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,240 people more afraid. It's like the barrel shrouds. It's like, 441 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,240 oh my gosh, it looks scary. Yeah, but it doesn't 442 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,920 actually do anything like performance wise to make the gun 443 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,599 more lethal, right, It's just it's scary. So yeah, I 444 00:27:04,599 --> 00:27:07,680 appreciate the call, Danielle, and I mean that's it's what 445 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240 I said, like, that's the key distinction is just one 446 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,440 bullet per trigger pull. 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One last thing 475 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:49,200 here from Tim is an email regarding firearm training for 476 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,599 concealed carry. I do agree that someone who owns a 477 00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:54,960 firearm needs training, especially to carry. I used to be 478 00:28:55,000 --> 00:29:00,240 a match director of a uspsa iPSC match, which is 479 00:29:00,279 --> 00:29:04,119 competitive shooting. You would not believe some of the safety violation, 480 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,680 Oh I would I have seen over the years, usually 481 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,000 by newbies to the sport. Most regular people are woefully 482 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:13,880 undertrained to carry a concealed firearm. However, I'm a very 483 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,599 strong supporter of the Second Amendment. Yeah, and this is 484 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,599 the thing, Like, you're always going to have morons that 485 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,640 go out and get the gun and that's it. And 486 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:29,400 they think, now, I, you know, I have completed whatever 487 00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,799 I needed to complete in order to have this, But no, 488 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,640 you it's just like any other tool. You should train 489 00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:40,920 on it become familiar with it, and I've talked about 490 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,039 this on the air for years. When I was deciding, 491 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,440 you know what kind of gun, I did a lot 492 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,200 of research because the first thing was, okay, what kind 493 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,160 of gun do you get? You get a rifle or 494 00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:52,799 a pistol, and depends on what you needed for okay, 495 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,799 home defense, and so pistol or a rifle. And I 496 00:29:56,839 --> 00:29:59,440 looked at the various articles and the people you know 497 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,279 that were proponents and opponents of various weapons and such, 498 00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:10,000 and came down on the side of a revolver, which 499 00:30:10,039 --> 00:30:13,559 also doubles as a very handy, concealed carry firearm. This 500 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,720 was years ago, and the reason why it was that, 501 00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,039 like I remember having this discussion in this very seat 502 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,839 when I was on nine to Midnight years ago, and 503 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,680 I remember somebody saying, oh, it's you know, the worst 504 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,960 sound of a burglar rule here is the racking of 505 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,920 the shotgun or something like that. And my thought on 506 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,759 it was, I don't want them to hear me. I 507 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,880 have no desire to, you know, to make them scared 508 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,160 if they have a firearm, so then they start shooting 509 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,839 at me when I'm racking it. But also the main 510 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,200 thing was that the barrel on a long gun is 511 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,759 going to be harder to you know, you they can 512 00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:55,880 close the distance easier and grab the barrel, and if 513 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:59,279 I have to turn around a corner or something, then 514 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,680 that's a harder turn to make because there's a longer barrel. 515 00:31:03,799 --> 00:31:06,400 But also I knew I wanted to get a concealed 516 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,319 carry permit, and so I opted for the pistols. So 517 00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:12,160 it's just one gun that I have to train on. 518 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,279 I don't have to worry about training on multiple firearms. 519 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:17,799 And the reason why I went revolver was simply because 520 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,960 I wanted to be able to point and shoot and 521 00:31:22,039 --> 00:31:24,400 not have to worry about anything going wrong with it 522 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,880 if the jams pull the trigger. Again, like, there's a 523 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,200 reason it was the service weapon for law enforcement for 524 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,839 like one hundred years, right, So it's an easy weapon. 525 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,720 So that was our first choice. Right, So I did 526 00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:38,640 the research. But I also know that a lot of guys, 527 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,759 a lot of people girls too, But a lot of 528 00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:44,759 people are not going to do that kind of research. 529 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,519 They're not going to take it as seriously as they 530 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:51,160 probably should. And so I get that. I get that 531 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:58,039 criticism and the concern I do. I understand. In the House, 532 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:02,960 representatives debated the bill for roughly an hour, with Democrats 533 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,519 speaking out against the bill, pointing to various statistics like 534 00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,200 the Stanford study. This one is the one that they 535 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,960 always rely on that shows permitless carry or constitutional carry 536 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:18,680 states face a thirteen to fifteen percent violent crime increase 537 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:25,079 over the next decade, which, like, I'm not so sure 538 00:32:25,119 --> 00:32:27,880 that's the big takeaway that it's a violent crime increase. 539 00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:31,319 Why would there be an increase in violent crime when 540 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:35,559 you don't have the permits any longer Because the criminals 541 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,079 who are engaging in the violent crime, we're not getting 542 00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,880 the permits in the first place. They're con stilled carrying 543 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:47,559 in the first place. They're doing that already. Countering what 544 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,519 he called cherry picked statistics, Representative Kidwell said, eighty three 545 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:56,799 percent of states with permitless carry have homicide rates below 546 00:32:56,839 --> 00:33:00,440 the national average, while eighty four percent of states have 547 00:33:00,519 --> 00:33:05,240 lower violent crime rates than they did prior to permitless carry. 548 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,000 So I went, I looked at the Stanford study. I 549 00:33:09,039 --> 00:33:11,960 saw some other stuff too. I looked at John Lott's stuff, 550 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,279 and then the analysis of the lot. It was a 551 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,000 lot and mustard I think was his name in the 552 00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:23,839 library with the candlestick. But they were going back and 553 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:26,400 forth and I started reading through it and that I 554 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,400 read a meta analysis of all of this stuff, and 555 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,160 it's basically like there are so many variables they cannot 556 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:38,200 determine the like you can't draw a line. It seems 557 00:33:38,279 --> 00:33:43,000 between a connection between Hey, we went constitutional carry and 558 00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:47,680 because of that we saw this bad thing, this negative 559 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,960 result the you know was it. Correlation is not causation, 560 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,839 and so that's where we are left. And so absent 561 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:03,799 any kind of causation effect that's proven, then I think 562 00:34:03,799 --> 00:34:06,640 we joined the twenty nine other states and to prove it. Now, 563 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,720 I don't know if they're going to have the votes 564 00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,239 in the House to do so, but we shall see. 565 00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:14,000 All Right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you 566 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:16,039 so much for listening. I could not do the show 567 00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:18,599 without your support and the support of the businesses that 568 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,760 advertise on the podcast, So if you'd like, please support 569 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,440 them too and tell them you heard it here. You 570 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,119 can also become a patron at my Patreon page or 571 00:34:26,199 --> 00:34:29,840 go to thepetecleanershow dot com. Again, thank you so much 572 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:36,679 for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone.