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your support. North Carolina lawmakers attempt to get rid of
the state's concealed carrie laws. That's not wrel Oh my gosh,
Will Duran at Wil's. They're not repealing all of the
concealed carry laws. You're still going to be allowed to
have a concealed carry permit. It's just not going to
be required to conceal carry you. If you are a
legal purchaser in other words, not a prohibited purchaser, then
you would be allowed to conceal carry like twenty nine
other states allow. I really wish that some of these
reporters that cover these issues would talk to somebody that
knows conceal carry law, but they never do. They just
talk to lawmakers who make speeches about I'm against it
or even I'm for it. Go talk to somebody who
does a concealed carry class. Those people know the law.
You have to right. They know the process because they
have to. They're in it every day. Talk to somebody
who has a concealed carry permit. I'm someone who has
a concealed carry permit. I will continue to maintain my
concealed carry permit. Why in case I go to a
state that requires said, mine will be up to date
and I don't have to worry if I'm in a
state that requires it or not. I will always have it.
To me, that's worth it. Now, you don't have to.
I'm not telling you to go out and do it,
but to me, it makes sense. Now. Part of the
problem here is that some sheriffs, like Mecklenburg County Sheriff
Gary not my fault. McFadden has taken steps and made
efforts to obstruct people's abilities to get concealed carry permits
or to get them renewed. He's been doing it ever
since he got into office, and that creates this agitation
among Second Amendment activists and advocates as well as concealed
carry permit holders. So this is also referred to as
constitutional carry because the Constitution says Congress shall make no
laws right to a briak, the right to keep in
bare arms. So it stands to reason that if you
go through your background check when you purchase your firearm,
which people do by the way, which a lot of
reporters and a lot of anti gun activists are not
aware of, but they do run your name through the
federal database. In the federal database is supposed to flag
people who are prohibited purchasers. Now, if you are not flagged,
you get to buy the gun. So then the question becomes,
how do you transport that gun? When are you allowed
to walk around with that gun? And so in this
state you're allowed to actually open carry. Once you get
a firearm, you're allowed to open carry. What does that mean?
It means I can have the gun on the outside
of my belt with my shirt tucked in so you
can see that I have the gun. And there are
some people who prefer to do that. I am not
one of them. I am not a person that open carries.
Why several reasons. Number one, I recognize that there are
a lot of people that are uncomfortable around guns. I
get it, and I'm not looking to be antagonistic towards them,
So I conceal carry so they never know and it
makes them at ease. Now, the other side of that argument,
which I understand as well, which is that, well, if
more people open carried, then it would be less offensive.
People would kind of get used to it, right, it
would normalize it. And that's a fair argument. And maybe
at some point in the future if everybody's open carrying,
but they're not right now, but at some point, maybe
then that does become the norm, and maybe I then
open carry more often or at all. I doubt it
because here's another reason I don't do it. I don't
want to be the guy that the criminal seas and
targets first. Right, So if I've got a firearm strapped
to the outside of my waistband and somebody is, you know,
they if I'm standing in line at the QT, you know,
getting my Chica rones, my porkskins, and if I'm standing
in because it's just protein people, that's the great snack.
I love them anyway. So if you're just standing in
line and I'm waiting to you know, check out, I
don't want somebody behind me seeing the firearm and grabbing
it from me or shooting me before they rob the store.
You know, it just paints a target on your back. Now,
the counter argument to that I've heard is that, well,
it'll make people less likely to rob the place in
the first place because they see you with firearms, So
now they're going to be less likely to engage in
the criminal activity. And I am not persuaded by that argument.
I think it increases the risk by open caring. So
I prefer concealing. This way, nobody knows. And by the way,
when you have a population of you know, maybe two, three,
four or five percent that is concealed carrying, the criminals
don't know who has a firearm, and now they have
to assume that anybody has the firearm because they don't
actually know, And that then helps to create more security
because you don't know who's armed and who isn't, So
you have to assume then that everybody may have a firearm,
and that may dissuade the criminal from hitting a certain target. Right,
these are just my views. I am not demanding anybody
else follow my lead on any of that. You make
your own decisions. I'm a libertarian. I like I live
and let live.
Speaker 2: You do you.
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to tell you how to live your life.
You know. That's why I don't even tell people have
a nice day, because I'm not trying to force you
into anything. You want to have a bad day, you
go have a bad day. I don't care. Okay. North
Carolina Republicans have passed constitutional carry. It's now going to
the Governor's desk where I fully expect him to veto this.
The challenge is going to be for the Republicans is
that it's coming back. It would then come back for
a veto override, and because of the vote count out
of the House, they do not apparently have enough votes
to override the governor's veto because two Republicans voted against
this bill. North Carolina Republican's effort to get rid of
the state again. It's not getting rid of the concealed
carry laws. It's changing them to allow people who don't
want to get the concealed carry permit but still are
allowed to purchase the firearms. They are allowed to conceal
carry because, by the way, spoiler, criminals conceal carry. Not
sure you're aware of that, Yeah, they do. Criminals conceal
carry their firearms, and a lot of times you may
want to sit down for this part too. They're not
allowed to buy the guns in the first place, so
they are an illegal, prohibited buyer in the first place,
and because they are a prohibited buyer, they conceal carry.
So this way, if they do have any encounter with
law enforcement, the cop doesn't know they've got the gun
because they are a prohibited buyer, and they would get
in a lot more trouble if, of course, the DA
wants to prosecute that, which in some jurisdictions they don't.
So this is referred to in the news story at
WRAL as bipartisan opposition, because when two Republicans break ranks
from the fifty nine other Republicans, that's bipartisan. But if
you get two Democrats who break ranks, that is called
a gop led bill. Okay, you don't get the bipartisan
classification or description when it's two Democrats joining Republicans, but
if you get two Republicans joining Democrats, then it is bipartisan.
Those are the rules. Do not make these rules. This
is the rules of Journalisming the concealed Carry Repeal Senate
Bill fifty passed the States Senate in a party line
vote in March, but it was held up in the
House of Representatives for the last several months. During Wednesday's debate,
Representative Keith Kidwell, Republican, dismissed concealed carry permits as an
unconstitutional infringement on people's rights. Representative Phil Rubin, Democrat from Wake,
said the permits require people to pass training and a
background check and help improve public safety. Other states have
already gotten rid of their concealed carry rules, Rubin said,
and gun violence has since risen in all those states.
Kidwell replied that many of those states still have lower
murder rates than states with strict gun control rules. And
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open carry people being uncomfortable with open carry is ignorance
is bliss. Yeah, look, yeah, that's fine. Here's the thing, though,
I don't need to denigrate other people's view on on
gun laws and open carry, concealed carry, whatever this is.
And I've had these arguments with I don't like the term,
but you know, gun guys, but people who really love guns.
And I have friends who really love guns, like a
dear friend of ours up in Ashville. The guy has
an arsenal okay, and he would buy, he would buy
guns and never fire them. He would buy them because
he liked them, and then he would put him in
his safe and then a couple of years ago buy
and then he sells them and he buys another gun
with it. Just he loves doing the trading and the
collecting and the buying and the selling and all of that. Okay.
So like I don't dan agree, but one of the
biggest issues, uh, And I would encounter this hopefully by
now you know my views on guns, and I would
get savaged by quote unquote gun guys if I would
use any term that wasn't precisely you know, uh, descriptive
of the thing. Here's the big one. Clips versus magazines,
that's the big one. It's always been the big one.
I don't understand why this one, no pun intended trips
people's triggers like none other. Well, I shouldn't say that
semi automatic is the other one, but that one actually
is useful. When you're in a debate with a gun
grabber and they start talking about, oh, semi automatic rifle,
I always ask, can you just define for me what
is semi automatic? Because that one question, preferably at the
beginning of a conversation that you're having with somebody who
is of the gun control crowd. If you ask them
what a semi automatic is and they cannot define what
that is for you, that's a really big definition. And
I will just tell you it means one bullet per trigger.
Pull right, you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out.
That's it. It's around pete. No, I'm kidding, but like
one pull one bullet, right, that's it. And automatic is
pull the trigger, hold the trigger and it just goes
boom boom boom bom boom boom bom boom, right and
just keeps firing. Semi Automatic is basically every gun on
the market. So I usually ask that question in the
beginning of the conversation. Just to find out what kind
of level of knowledge the person has when they are
trying to take my gun. So that's all, but a
lot of times it does more damage to the effort, right,
to the political effort, to the movement to get hung
up on certain things and to make some to make
the fight about this one thing, and that's not the fight, right.
You know, it's been very helpful in the Second Amendment arguments,
is well, besides the looting and the rioting that we're
seeing by the left, one of the things that's very
helpful in these discussions has been Donald Trump. Because the
very same people that want to take your firearm away
are also saying that Donald Trump wants to impose tyranny
and authoritarian despotism, right, And so I usually ask, so
you believe Donald Trump is a threat to the democracy, Right,
He's going to come round up people, He's going to
take over everything. He's going to be the next Hitler,
blah blah blah. Right. Well, if that's the case, wouldn't
you want some protection against that? And I have yet
to hear a cojed answer to this question. So you know,
put that in your back pocket if you ever need it.
It's a very helpful argument to me, Dan, welcome to
the program. Hello Dan, how are you?
Speaker 3: I'm fine, How are you?
Speaker 1: I'm doing good? What's going on?
Speaker 3: Well, I am a concealed carry instructor, and I got
to tell you, I'm not real comfortable with this whatever
you want to call it, constitutional carry or whatever, because
ninety nine percent of my students before they take my class,
they cannot define deadly force, They cannot define when deadly
force is allowed in the state of North Carolina, and
many of them have never fired a gun in their life.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: And you know, make concealed carry permits free. I don't care.
That's okay, But there should be some minimum amount of
training in both the law and firearms safety and marksmanship
for somebody to be able to carry a gun concealed. Well,
if that's really ought to have that for open carry too.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. Yeah, I mean,
that's what I was going to say. If that's the standard,
then why would it only apply to concealed carry holders.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. But at least at least with open carry,
you can see the guy and maybe go, I don't know,
maybe he's an idiot. Maybe he's not well.
Speaker 1: But but then that standard would apply to everybody I
owe it. Like for me, my default position is everybody
around me, particularly on the roads, is an idiot. Oh yeah, right,
So if I.
Speaker 3: Don't disagree with you, but but you know, I hear
all too often about you know, you read somebody broke
into my shed last night. They better not break in
tonight because I'll shoot their butts. Well, then you're going
to go to prison for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: See, this is not legal in North Carolina.
Speaker 1: And that's the importance of getting the training. And that's
why I will always get the conceal carry permit is
because you do get the level of training and you
do get those I mean I went through the class twice.
I did it twice and so right, because it's good
to get a refresher and you know, laws change and stuff,
and you get different examples with different instructors and you
hear these, you know, these different stories of you know,
like all the both of the instructors I had would
they would tell a story and then say, okay, you know,
what's the what do you think is the outcome kind
of a thing, and then they walk through why it's legal,
or why that shoot was not legal? And those are
very helpful because if you don't have any expertise in
this manner in the matter, then yeah, you may end
up in prison. That's a very real possibility if you
don't follow the law when you go through and get
your firearm and you start carrying concealed yep.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe this conversation will convince people that they just
buying something doesn't mean you know how to use it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very fair point, Dan. I appreciate the call, buddy,
thank you, thank you. All right, take care. Here's another
here's a message from russ. Having the permit is also helpful.
God forbid if you ever have to use your weapon.
Case law in constitutional carry jurisdictions around the country is
shaping up to give a slight benefit of the doubt
edge to permit holders compared to those who are not.
Something to keep in mind to all right, if you're
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This is the freedom to carry. It's a constitutional carry bill.
It does not get rid of the concealed carry permit process.
It actually on a second, let me pull it up here.
It says right there, while General Statute fourteen four to
fifteen thirty five makes it lawful to carry a concealed
weapon in the state without obtaining a concealed handgun permit.
It is often convenient to have a concealed handgun permit
for the purpose of reciprocity when traveling in another state,
to make the purchase of firearms more efficient, or for
various other reasons. Therefore, the State of North Carolina shall
continue to make a concealed handgun permit available to any
person who applies for it and is eligible to receive it,
pursuing to this article. For the avoidance of doubt, the
concealed handgun permit system maintained pursu into this article does
not prevent a person from carrying concealed according to this chapter,
so in other words, it remains the perch. The concealed
handgun permit process remains for people who want to take
advantage of it. You can still do it, and there
are reasons to still do it, and I would still
do it, but me personally, I would The bill passed
fifty nine to forty eight in the vote, and some
Republicans voted against. The two of them did and other
Republicans skip the vote. They took a walk as it's
called in legislative terms. They took a walk rather than
having to vote one way or the other on the bill.
So obviously this is causing some heartburn for some Republicans,
probably because they don't want to get tagged with, you know,
any kind of connection to a contribution in violent crime
rates rising or something like that. For the next election cycle.
You can imagine the ads that will run. The two
Republicans that sided with the Democrats in opposing the bill,
former federal Prosecutor Ted Davis of Wilmington and Bladen County
Farmer Bill Briston. Davis indicated that his constituents were concerned
about the bill eliminating training requirements, and the bill also
lowers the age at which you can purchase a handgun
from twenty one down to eighteen. He also referenced how
the current permit system allows the state to proactively block
people from carrying guns if they are domestic abusers or
have other criminal or mental health issues. Those safeguards would
go away if Senate Bill fifty becomes law. You still
have to go through the background check, and it's still
against the law to purchase a firearm if you are
a prohibited purchaser, and there is a list. You are
not allowed to buy a gun or carry conceal if
you are ineligible to own it possess it right. If
you are under indictment for a felony, if you have
been adjudicated guilty in any court of a felony, if
you are a fugitive from justice, if you are an
unlawful user of, or addicted to marijuana, alcohol, or any depressant, stimulant,
or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance as defined
another law. If you've currently or been previously adjudicated by
a court to be lacking mental capacity or mentally ill.
If you've been discharged from the armed forces under dishonorable
conditions for one or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor.
So if you've been adjudicated guilty or received a prayer
for judgment continued PJC or a suspended sentence for one
or more crimes of violence constituting a misdemeanor. If you
same thing for crimes of violence under this other constituted
under this other law result to a conviction of a
misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. So if you have that
on your record, you can't buy, and you can't carry concealed. Right,
So there's a whole list of prohibitions. So if you
are attempting to follow the law, you would not be
allowed to do this. Oh but pete, what if they're
not following the law? Yeah, those are called criminals and
they're going to do it anyway. Like that's the point.
Let me go over and get Dan on. Hello, Dan,
welcome to the show. Hello, Hey, what's up?
Speaker 2: So my point was about this semi automatic and automatic weapon.
It's more about how the gun is.
Speaker 1: Fed than this is my point. This is what Dan,
this is exactly what I was talking about. You're going
to get in it right, right, You're right, you're going
to go in and describe the machinery of the of
the firearm. Right.
Speaker 2: Well, just the fact that a semi automatic pistol, the
fastest you can pull the trigger is fast you can
pull it, it will discharge a bullet until it's empty. Right,
But automatic weapon will you hold the trigger back and
it's going to empty it as quick as it possibly can.
And that makes one semi automatic and the other one automatic.
But a revolver, That's what I said. One bullet one trigger,
one bullet, one pull, one bullet, but it's still not
a semi automatic or an automatic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is I've seen this debate too, and like
the people want to split hairs, gun people want to
split hairs and they want to debate a revolver is
it a semi automatic or is it not or whatever?
And to me, it doesn't matter because when you're in
a discussion with a gun grabber, the only thing that
matters is do they understand the concept one bullet per
trigger pull versus lots of bullets just by holding down
the trigger. That's it. And if they don't even understand that,
there's no point. And honestly, there isn't any point in
the gun controlled debate between a revolver and a nine millimeter.
It's because those are they both do the same things right,
and the gung grabbers want all of them gone. So
that's what that's what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I certainly don't disagree with you on anything
you said. I just feel it's important that the feeding
of the bullet, how fast through. What makes everybody scared
to death is when you hear that there was a
semi automatic revolt or rifle used in some sort of
shooting that was you know, unfortunate, and they get to
how many bullets it'll it'll get out so fast. Well,
I've got some friends that got some pretty fast fingers. Yeah,
and they can get rid of thirty rounds and no
time at all.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they could actually compete with how fast an
automatic weapon of fire? So it's like, you know, there
isn't really that much difference between them. If you've got
a really good fast trigger finger. Me, I'm an old man.
Mine ain't that fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and also probably more record with the semi automatic.
I think that it's the term semi automatic that makes
people more afraid. It's like the barrel shrouds. It's like,
oh my gosh, it looks scary. Yeah, but it doesn't
actually do anything like performance wise to make the gun
more lethal, right, It's just it's scary. So yeah, I
appreciate the call, Danielle, and I mean that's it's what
I said, like, that's the key distinction is just one
bullet per trigger pull. And if you're in a discussion
with a gun control advocate, if they don't know that
and you hear them use that word semi automatic, it's
always helpful to just take a pause and say, what
does semi automatic mean? Can you define what that means
for me? And if they can, good, then you both
understand what you're talking about. You can proceed in the discussion.
But if they don't understand the difference, then you know,
right then and there they don't really know what they're
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here from Tim is an email regarding firearm training for
concealed carry. I do agree that someone who owns a
firearm needs training, especially to carry. I used to be
a match director of a uspsa iPSC match, which is
competitive shooting. You would not believe some of the safety violation,
Oh I would I have seen over the years, usually
by newbies to the sport. Most regular people are woefully
undertrained to carry a concealed firearm. However, I'm a very
strong supporter of the Second Amendment. Yeah, and this is
the thing, Like, you're always going to have morons that
go out and get the gun and that's it. And
they think, now, I, you know, I have completed whatever
I needed to complete in order to have this, But no,
you it's just like any other tool. You should train
on it become familiar with it, and I've talked about
this on the air for years. When I was deciding,
you know what kind of gun, I did a lot
of research because the first thing was, okay, what kind
of gun do you get? You get a rifle or
a pistol, and depends on what you needed for okay,
home defense, and so pistol or a rifle. And I
looked at the various articles and the people you know
that were proponents and opponents of various weapons and such,
and came down on the side of a revolver, which
also doubles as a very handy, concealed carry firearm. This
was years ago, and the reason why it was that,
like I remember having this discussion in this very seat
when I was on nine to Midnight years ago, and
I remember somebody saying, oh, it's you know, the worst
sound of a burglar rule here is the racking of
the shotgun or something like that. And my thought on
it was, I don't want them to hear me. I
have no desire to, you know, to make them scared
if they have a firearm, so then they start shooting
at me when I'm racking it. But also the main
thing was that the barrel on a long gun is
going to be harder to you know, you they can
close the distance easier and grab the barrel, and if
I have to turn around a corner or something, then
that's a harder turn to make because there's a longer barrel.
But also I knew I wanted to get a concealed
carry permit, and so I opted for the pistols. So
it's just one gun that I have to train on.
I don't have to worry about training on multiple firearms.
And the reason why I went revolver was simply because
I wanted to be able to point and shoot and
not have to worry about anything going wrong with it
if the jams pull the trigger. Again, like, there's a
reason it was the service weapon for law enforcement for
like one hundred years, right, So it's an easy weapon.
So that was our first choice. Right, So I did
the research. But I also know that a lot of guys,
a lot of people girls too, But a lot of
people are not going to do that kind of research.
They're not going to take it as seriously as they
probably should. And so I get that. I get that
criticism and the concern I do. I understand. In the House,
representatives debated the bill for roughly an hour, with Democrats
speaking out against the bill, pointing to various statistics like
the Stanford study. This one is the one that they
always rely on that shows permitless carry or constitutional carry
states face a thirteen to fifteen percent violent crime increase
over the next decade, which, like, I'm not so sure
that's the big takeaway that it's a violent crime increase.
Why would there be an increase in violent crime when
you don't have the permits any longer Because the criminals
who are engaging in the violent crime, we're not getting
the permits in the first place. They're con stilled carrying
in the first place. They're doing that already. Countering what
he called cherry picked statistics, Representative Kidwell said, eighty three
percent of states with permitless carry have homicide rates below
the national average, while eighty four percent of states have
lower violent crime rates than they did prior to permitless carry.
So I went, I looked at the Stanford study. I
saw some other stuff too. I looked at John Lott's stuff,
and then the analysis of the lot. It was a
lot and mustard I think was his name in the
library with the candlestick. But they were going back and
forth and I started reading through it and that I
read a meta analysis of all of this stuff, and
it's basically like there are so many variables they cannot
determine the like you can't draw a line. It seems
between a connection between Hey, we went constitutional carry and
because of that we saw this bad thing, this negative
result the you know was it. Correlation is not causation,
and so that's where we are left. And so absent
any kind of causation effect that's proven, then I think
we joined the twenty nine other states and to prove it. Now,
I don't know if they're going to have the votes
in the House to do so, but we shall see.
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