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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>What a great segue by Nicole Davis. Nicole, as always,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. I am the aforementioned Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Ready to rock and roll all the way until midnight tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>or just a couple of minutes short of midnight, about

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<v Speaker 2>eleven fifty eight. We have guests lined up, a guest

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<v Speaker 2>lined up. We have many guests this hour for in fact,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have some great topics. We will talk with

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<v Speaker 2>the Biden administration Regional administrator for the EPA here in

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<v Speaker 2>New England about old power itch issues, power options here

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<v Speaker 2>in New England for all of us, as we've just

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<v Speaker 2>gone through a very cold winter, which is still kind

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<v Speaker 2>of cold for late March in my opinion. Baseball just

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<v Speaker 2>around the corner tomorrow the Red Sox open up. The

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<v Speaker 2>season actually underway already with the with the games over

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<v Speaker 2>in Japan, so we got We will talk with David Cash,

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Cash, former Regional Administrator the EPA here in what's

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<v Speaker 2>called Region one, New England under the Biden administration. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>also continue our conversation about.

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<v Speaker 3>The Yemen signal chat.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of the controversy that that has generated. I

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<v Speaker 2>have strong opinions on it, and I'd like to share

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<v Speaker 2>them with you, but more importantly, I want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>your opinions. However, we have a four very interesting guest coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Up on a variety of topics.

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<v Speaker 2>Here, a little bit of financial planning, and we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about weight, drugs, Willgovie and zip Bound and

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about some budget tips for a budget

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<v Speaker 2>friendly vacation this summer, and also a little bit about gardening.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to start it off Chris Carosa. Chris

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<v Speaker 2>is a certified trust and fiduciary advisor, senior contributor to Forbes,

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<v Speaker 2>and author of Hey What's My Number? How to improve

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<v Speaker 2>the odds You'll retire in comfort? That is a question

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<v Speaker 2>that if all of us, at some point during our

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<v Speaker 2>life have to think about.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris corros So, Welcome to night, Satt How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, I'm doing great over here.

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<v Speaker 3>How are you just fine?

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<v Speaker 2>I certainly do understand we're talking about the idea if

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<v Speaker 2>there's a recession on the horizon. I'm not someone who

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<v Speaker 2>anticipates a recession, but recessions do occur in our economy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have always thought that the cruelest tax on

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<v Speaker 2>retired people seniors is the inflation tax, which of course

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<v Speaker 2>is not a tax per se, but when an inflation

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<v Speaker 2>hits and the cost of everything goes up, people who

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<v Speaker 2>are in fixed incomes, who have worked all their lives,

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<v Speaker 2>they feel the front of it. The corollary of that is,

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<v Speaker 2>can retirees perhaps have a little bit of a benefit

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<v Speaker 2>from a recession? And most people probably would not look

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<v Speaker 2>at it that way, But we're asking you to look

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<v Speaker 2>at it that way, and I suspect that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to probably say, yes, what's your thought on that?

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<v Speaker 4>There are a couple of ways that you can benefit

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<v Speaker 4>from a recession if you're retired again, it depends on

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<v Speaker 4>your circumstances. If you're going into recession carrying a debt load, Generally,

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<v Speaker 4>in recessions, interest rates go down, so it gives you

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<v Speaker 4>an opportunity to refinance. Even on the inflation side, you

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<v Speaker 4>do have some discretion on what you're doing with your spending,

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<v Speaker 4>and probably a little bit more than if you're working. So,

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<v Speaker 4>for example, if you're working, you're going to have to

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<v Speaker 4>travel to work, and that costs energy to do, and

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<v Speaker 4>energy generally is inflation hits the hardest lot. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>anybody who buys gas will see that. So that's something

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<v Speaker 4>you don't have to do you're in retirement. But there

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<v Speaker 4>is one thing that I see more and more popping

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<v Speaker 4>up at least interest in it, and I have done

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<v Speaker 4>articles on this too. I know it's a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>different than what you're talking about, but the way that

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<v Speaker 4>seniors will tackle inflation or just the need for extra

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<v Speaker 4>money is by turning some other hobbies into maybe sort

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<v Speaker 4>of like a side hustle.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not a real, like the intensive type of business

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<v Speaker 4>where you have all the strategic planning and all that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really something like, you know, selling food on a

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<v Speaker 4>fruit stand, the equivalent of that. It's easy to do.

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<v Speaker 4>The markets are usually something that the person's very familiar with.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I say, if it's a hobby, they know what

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<v Speaker 4>other hobbyists like, and they've probably got the experience where

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<v Speaker 4>they can come up with ideas on how to turn

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<v Speaker 4>that experience into some sort of product or service that

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<v Speaker 4>other hobbyists would pay them to do. Well. I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's certainly an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think the distinction you're making is someone once

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<v Speaker 2>said to me, find your passion in life. Find to

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<v Speaker 2>find a way to work in your career and do

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<v Speaker 2>something that you really like, and therefore you'll never really

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<v Speaker 2>work a day in your life because I come to

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<v Speaker 2>work every day.

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<v Speaker 3>I like what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, some days are tougher than others, I will admit,

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<v Speaker 2>but I like what I do, and I feel that

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<v Speaker 2>I've been blessed with a career in both television and radio,

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<v Speaker 2>which you know has has carried me for more years

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<v Speaker 2>than I care to admit. And if if a senior,

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<v Speaker 2>you know the idea of retirement. When I was young,

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<v Speaker 2>back as a baby boomer, you got to sixty five,

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<v Speaker 2>you get the wristwatch from the company you worked for,

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<v Speaker 2>and you had your sol security check and it was

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<v Speaker 2>you were all set. Well. I figured out sometime in

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<v Speaker 2>my twenties that so security wasn't probably going to do

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<v Speaker 2>it for me.

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<v Speaker 3>So I I and a lot of other people did

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<v Speaker 3>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm working well past sixty five by choice. I could

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<v Speaker 2>retire if I want to, but I enjoy the stimulation.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's if you do have a side hustle, even

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<v Speaker 2>if you are now retired from that nine to five

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<v Speaker 2>job or that forty hour week job, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>a side hustle, even if it's something like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>being sort of a handyman that can help some neighbors

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<v Speaker 2>save some money.

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<v Speaker 3>So when they have a small.

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<v Speaker 2>Problem, instead of instead of calling a carpenter or plumber,

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<v Speaker 2>you could be the handyman of the street who could

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<v Speaker 2>get around and make a few dollars and save your

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<v Speaker 2>neighbors some money. Something like that, I think is what

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, a lot of it is planning ahead,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'll tell you just to piking back off what

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<v Speaker 4>you said. I opened my book Hey What's My Number

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<v Speaker 4>with a story about what I did when I felt

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<v Speaker 4>when I was a kid, I would see people retire

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<v Speaker 4>and then they would die very soon after they retired.

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<v Speaker 4>So I decided very early when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, I'm going to try to figure it

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<v Speaker 4>out a way not to retire. Maybe it'll prog along

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<v Speaker 4>my life. So I did exactly what you did. I

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<v Speaker 4>picked a profession that I would enjoy doing that is

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<v Speaker 4>more mental than physical, so I won't have that to

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<v Speaker 4>worry too much about. But it's something that I could

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<v Speaker 4>do well into really my seventies if I chose to

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<v Speaker 4>and that's the sort of thing that I would like

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<v Speaker 4>to do. But there's enough I already.

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<v Speaker 2>I will confess to you, Chris, I am well into

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<v Speaker 2>my seventies, okay, and I still enjoy what I do.

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you. When I was very young, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it'd be kind of cool to be a lumberjack.

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<v Speaker 2>Took me about three days to figure out what a

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<v Speaker 2>lumberjack does, so I kind of gave up on that dream.

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<v Speaker 3>You know a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like you, I I talk for a living,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know that, and I have to think and talk,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know that you have to think and calculate

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<v Speaker 2>for a living.

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<v Speaker 3>And so you know you're not developing callouses on.

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<v Speaker 2>Your hands, you and you're keeping your brain active. So

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<v Speaker 2>that's tell us about your book. Here is your book

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<v Speaker 2>available at this point it's the author is hey. I

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<v Speaker 2>like that reminds me of Willie Mays to say, hey kid,

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<v Speaker 2>what's my number? How to improve the odds you will

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<v Speaker 2>retire and comfort? Where can folks get that?

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<v Speaker 4>So you can get it anywhere any bookstore, Amazon, wherever

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<v Speaker 4>you go. The way I remember it isn't with baseball,

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<v Speaker 4>it's actually with a Broadway. You know that song. Hey,

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<v Speaker 4>look me over. It's like, hey, what's my number?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sure, lend me an ear right? Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that's good. Now I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally, I totally get what you're saying. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>really enjoyed this. And folks, can they get in touch

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<v Speaker 2>with you? Some of my guests, they say they give

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<v Speaker 2>out a website where people.

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<v Speaker 3>Can reach them. Are you willing to do that?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, it's really easy. It's my name rosa dot com.

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<v Speaker 4>Just go there and you'll see what I write about.

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<v Speaker 4>And if you want to get a hold of me,

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<v Speaker 4>there's ways to do that through that website.

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<v Speaker 2>So simply Chris C H R I S. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>Corosa C A R O s A dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, that's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate the time, Chris. I'd love to have you back.

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<v Speaker 2>I enjoyed talking with you. Thanks, thank you so.

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<v Speaker 4>Much, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Good bye, all right, bye bye, we'll come back.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about something that is really of

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<v Speaker 2>interest to some of my listeners, and that is the

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<v Speaker 2>popular drugs used for weight loss.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going to talk with doctor Lydier Alexander. So,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have any thoughts about Wigovi or zep bound

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<v Speaker 2>you want to listen carefully. We'll be back on night

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<v Speaker 2>Side right after this. My name is Dan Ray. This

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on wb News Radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back, everyone. Delighted to introduce you to.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Lyda Alexander. She's currently the president of the Obesity

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<v Speaker 2>Medical Association OMA, a board certified expert in obesity medicine,

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<v Speaker 2>lifestyle medicine, and internal medicine. Doctor Alexander, welcome to Night's Side.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks for having me, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to talk I know a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>about some of these drugs. I'm familiar with with goovi,

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of zepbound. Is zep bound a goovy knockoff.

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<v Speaker 5>Zetbound is an FDAY approved medication from a different manufacturer.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a new kid on the black. It's been around

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<v Speaker 5>for about a year or so.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's late to the game here. WEGOVI has

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<v Speaker 2>been advertising so much. I mean, I think everybody knows

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<v Speaker 2>WEGOVI and zep bound is. When I say the word knockoff,

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<v Speaker 2>what I mean is something similar to wegov.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it's a it's the medication to treat obesity.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now, what is the problem that we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>to continue making versions. Uh these other versions of a

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<v Speaker 6>Language and and and rightfully so, because it is confusing

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<v Speaker 5>When govy and zep bound are both FDA approved medications

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<v Speaker 5>that have that have been researched and uh and and

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<v Speaker 5>rigorous testing. They're they're not they don't have FDA oversight,

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<v Speaker 5>and so buyer beware on those medications. So what's happened

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<v Speaker 4>And in fact.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a gray market now of of other UH you know,

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<v Speaker 2>If I can, and I know a little bit about

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<v Speaker 2>cannot be prescribed, as I understand it, for weight loss.

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<v Speaker 2>If weight loss is a sign.

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<v Speaker 3>Go ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>So what GOV is actually FDA approved for exactly that

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<v Speaker 5>condition to treat UH, to treat obesity, to treat for

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<v Speaker 5>sleep apnea and treating weight and UH and so they

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<v Speaker 5>so UH medical providers are allowed and should be prescribing

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, then let me let me let me change my

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<v Speaker 2>understanding that My understanding is that if it is prescribed

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<v Speaker 2>in one hundred percent capacity UH and they their ankles

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<v Speaker 2>become endemic H or endemic UH, that the doctors have

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<v Speaker 2>to make make it very clear for this to be

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<v Speaker 2>covered from an insurance point of view, that the primary

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<v Speaker 2>purpose here is not just weight loss, but it's medical benefit.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope I'm not wrong on that, because I think

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, you're yeah, you are correct on that. The issue

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<v Speaker 5>is really not so much that the FDA hasn't approved

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<v Speaker 5>zep bound and what go be to treat obesity and

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<v Speaker 5>also to treat all the common chronic conditions that come

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<v Speaker 5>failure and also other cardiovascular disease, improves when we treat weight.

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<v Speaker 5>So when we treat the root cause, which is way

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<v Speaker 5>all the fruits of obesity improved too. And the issue

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<v Speaker 5>we're having is that insurance companies. Only about half of

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<v Speaker 5>insurance companies are willing to cover obesity medications, and therein

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<v Speaker 3>So that's.

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<v Speaker 5>That is what insurance.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, doctor, that is what I was getting at that

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<v Speaker 2>many doctors, at least here in Massachusetts, which I know best,

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<v Speaker 2>cannot prescribe it for weight loss primarily for the patient

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<v Speaker 2>unless the patient is willing and prepared to pay through

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<v Speaker 2>prescribed it for heart related issues which include a dema

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<v Speaker 2>that that they get a little bit of a pushback.

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<v Speaker 2>The other problem with REGOVI and I want to address

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<v Speaker 2>this because I want people to know this. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>lost thirty five pounds ten years ago. I went from

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<v Speaker 2>ten years. I did it through a program called Awaken

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<v Speaker 2>one to eight, which I firmly believe in nothing to

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<v Speaker 2>do with medication, nothing to do with pills. My understanding

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<v Speaker 2>have side effects, including specifically nausea, and that they have

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<v Speaker 2>to once they're on MCGOVY. On some of these weight

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<v Speaker 2>loss drugs, it may sound like a pantas or initially,

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<v Speaker 2>but my understanding is once you lose the weight, you

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<v Speaker 2>you if you get off the drug. Am I right

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<v Speaker 2>on those points?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, First of all, I want to commend you that

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<v Speaker 5>that is absolutely wonderful to hear that you successfully lost

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<v Speaker 5>time and continue to do so. There's actually an ongoing

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<v Speaker 5>registry called the National Weight Control Registry that followed individuals

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<v Speaker 5>who have done exactly what you've done. And I lost

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<v Speaker 5>weight successfully and kept it off for more than a year.

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<v Speaker 3>Signing up, Sign me up because I weigh y?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah you should.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 3>I weigh in.

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<v Speaker 2>Every month, and I have weighed in every month one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty months nearly now, but it's about one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixteen months, always under one seventy with clothes on.

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<v Speaker 2>So but put that aside. Come back to the side

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<v Speaker 2>effects of we'll go over because I want people to

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<v Speaker 2>realize that that you can do it. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>different ways, but if you try to do it with pills,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not maybe as simple as it as it sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>And that there's also a difficulty of maintaining the weight

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<v Speaker 2>when you lose that with pills, because if you don't

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<v Speaker 2>stay with the pills, which can be expensive, the weight

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<v Speaker 2>in most cases are going to come back again. If

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<v Speaker 2>I'm wrong on this, I don't want to be giving

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<v Speaker 2>people bad advice. But I've learned this through friends of mine,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope that you can either confirm or correct me.

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<v Speaker 5>So the answer is that it is correct that weight

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<v Speaker 5>that weight loss and keeping it off for a long

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<v Speaker 5>period of time can be done without medication for some individuals.

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<v Speaker 5>Not everybody is able to achieve that, even if they've

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<v Speaker 5>been implementing all the different lifestyle interventions. And I'd like

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<v Speaker 5>to highlight here the lifestyle the importance of intensive lifestyle interventions,

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<v Speaker 5>similar to what you have been implementing over the course

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<v Speaker 5>of the last decade. It's really important to keep on

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<v Speaker 5>you're choosing to take medications. And the reason for that

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<v Speaker 5>is because it decreases the side effects of the medications,

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<v Speaker 5>and it also increases the lifespan of the results that

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<v Speaker 5>we're trying to achieve, which is to keep the weight

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<v Speaker 5>off for a long period of time. The difference here

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<v Speaker 5>for some people is that for many people, in fact,

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<v Speaker 5>their weight regulatory system can be broken, and it can

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<v Speaker 5>be it can be temporarily broken, or it can be

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<v Speaker 5>like permanently broken. And so when you you know, when

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<v Speaker 5>you unravel some of the you know, some of this

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<v Speaker 5>vicious cycle, reverse type two diabetes, treat sleep apnea, decrease stress,

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<v Speaker 5>and improve your lifestyle and weight comes off, there can

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<v Speaker 5>be a virtuous cycle where you're undoing some of that

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<v Speaker 5>damage to the weightness, to the weight mechanism, the bodies

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<v Speaker 5>innate innate weight mechanism system. And for some people that

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<v Speaker 5>works and then they are able to manage their weight

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<v Speaker 5>effectively with fewer medications. For other individuals, it's not possible.

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<v Speaker 5>And they have been trying for years. They've done they've

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<v Speaker 5>they've been to this, you know, to this rodeo many

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<v Speaker 5>many times, and then the weight comes on and it

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<v Speaker 5>feels so frustrating to them because they blame theirselves that

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<v Speaker 5>they are not trying hard enough. And they don't have

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<v Speaker 5>enough willpower to keep it off, when in fact, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we wouldn't blame the patient if their thyroid stopped working

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<v Speaker 5>and we had to give them thyroid medication. And this

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Alexander, I just want to get because I don't

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<v Speaker 2>often to get a chance to speak to an expert

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<v Speaker 3>There are side effects for MCGOVI, including nausea.

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<v Speaker 5>Correct, that's right, that's right. These medications do you have

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate that. And if you do lose the weight

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<v Speaker 2>through prescription medication, when you achieve whatever weight you would

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<v Speaker 2>like to get to, you have to stay on that

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<v Speaker 2>medication in order to stay where you got to. My

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<v Speaker 2>understanding is that some of the stuff you have this

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<v Speaker 5>Well the answer, the short answer to that is we

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<v Speaker 5>don't know. Okay, some individuals will need to be on

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<v Speaker 5>it for life, and some maybe may need to be

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<v Speaker 5>able to come off it sooner, But we don't know

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<v Speaker 5>the answers to that. If we think about obesity as

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<v Speaker 5>go yeah, with that, then we know, yeah, then we

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<v Speaker 5>know some people will be able to successfully come off

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<v Speaker 5>their their cpaths, or their blood pressure medicines, or their

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<v Speaker 5>or their antidepressants. Some people just need any depressants for

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<v Speaker 5>a few years, and some need them lifelong, Doctor.

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<v Speaker 3>Alix, I'd like to have you back for a longer segment.

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<v Speaker 2>We went over here about three minutes, which of my

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<v Speaker 2>I am fascinated by the subject. I'd like to maybe

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<v Speaker 2>one of our later hours. Is there a way people

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<v Speaker 2>can get in touch with you? Is do you have

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<v Speaker 2>a website that you'd like to tell us about?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, absolutely they can. They can find me on

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<v Speaker 5>on Instagram under doctor dr dot Lydia.

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<v Speaker 4>L y d i A.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm also the chief medical officer at Anara Health.

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<v Speaker 5>It based in the San Francisco Bay area, and they

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll get back at you and we'll have it

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get you back, and we'll have some listener questions

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<v Speaker 2>as well. I've been immersed in this stuff for ten years.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not a doctor, no do I play one on radio.

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<v Speaker 2>But I know my question is probably a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>more pointed than most people would expect under these circumstances.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just want to make sure people know the

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<v Speaker 2>pluses and the minuses. It's as simple as that. Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, they were. It's my pleasure, Dan, thank you, Thank

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<v Speaker 5>you very much.

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<v Speaker 3>We get back.

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<v Speaker 2>We are going to talk about twenty tips for a

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<v Speaker 2>budget friendly vacation. Vacation is just around the corner, you

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<v Speaker 2>know the song V A C A T I O N.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on Nightside with Dan Ray after this, It's.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome back.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm delighted to be joined by Alissa Giacoby. Alyssa, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 7>I'm good. Thanks, how are you great?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry I'm a couple of minutes late here. You

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<v Speaker 2>are a contributor to the Boston Globe magazine and you

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<v Speaker 2>have an article. I read the Globe, but I tend

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<v Speaker 2>probably not to. I pay more attention to the sports

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<v Speaker 2>page in the news than I do to the Globe magazine.

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<v Speaker 2>Has this article been out or said coming out this weekend?

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<v Speaker 7>Is that article is already out. It's been out actually

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<v Speaker 7>for a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's good, so people can still find it.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty tips or twenty or more tips for a budget

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<v Speaker 2>friendly vacation and five costly mistakes. We've all been on vacation,

434
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<v Speaker 2>and we're all at the end of the vacation, say,

435
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<v Speaker 2>I spent more money than I thought I was going

436
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<v Speaker 2>to spend there, what's going on? What are the tips

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<v Speaker 2>to make it more budget friendly? Give us a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of the week and hang our hat on Melissa.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean I think that the biggest takeaways for this,

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<v Speaker 7>especially right now, is price is are rising generally across

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<v Speaker 7>the board. To book as early as you can at

442
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<v Speaker 7>least three months out, so right now is when you

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<v Speaker 7>should be starting to think about summer already. You can

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<v Speaker 7>use booking trackers like Hopper, Kayak, dot Com. Google Flights

445
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<v Speaker 7>has some tracking apps so you can check flight prices.

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<v Speaker 7>And then it's also a little bit about avoiding the

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<v Speaker 7>peak times, which may seem obvious to some less obvious

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<v Speaker 7>to others. People who are sort of bound by school

449
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<v Speaker 7>vacations may not have that much may not have that

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<v Speaker 7>much choice. But otherwise, if you can not travel on

451
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<v Speaker 7>a Friday, Saturday, Sunday, either coming or going, you're gonna

452
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<v Speaker 7>save a lot of money. You can use something midweek

453
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<v Speaker 7>if you cannot travel the first you know minute the

454
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<v Speaker 7>kids get out of school in June, and instead save

455
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<v Speaker 7>that trip until the end of August, you're gonna do better.

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<v Speaker 2>The other thing that I've noticed is that whenever the

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<v Speaker 2>kids want to go get an ice cream, you better

458
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<v Speaker 2>bring a big amount of money with you because ice

459
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<v Speaker 2>cream cones are nine dollars, and I think it's much

460
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<v Speaker 2>more fun for the kids, depending upon their age, and

461
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<v Speaker 2>also a little more economical to buy some ice cream,

462
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<v Speaker 2>have it in the refrigerator wherever you're staying in some

463
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<v Speaker 2>ice cream cones, and have the kids make their own

464
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<v Speaker 2>ice creams. I think they will have more fun with it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that realistic in your opinion or no?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure. I think that that's one reason that a lot

468
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<v Speaker 7>of people are choosing to use vrbo or Airbnb short

469
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<v Speaker 7>term rentals is it allows you to not have to

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<v Speaker 7>eat all of your meals out and so you can

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<v Speaker 7>have the ice cream you can do breakfast at home,

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<v Speaker 7>you can have lunch at home. You also you have

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<v Speaker 7>access to a kitchen and a little bit more space,

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<v Speaker 7>and generally you can fit a face family or even

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<v Speaker 7>you know, a couple of couples in one space instead

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<v Speaker 7>of two hotel rooms.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, absolutely, and you can kind of relax when

478
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<v Speaker 2>you're in hotel rooms. You got to get out so

479
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<v Speaker 2>they make up the room for you and whatever. I

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<v Speaker 2>agree with you on that. So what about you said

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<v Speaker 2>this five costly mistakes. I don't know if we've hit

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<v Speaker 2>one of them already, but if we haven't hit all

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<v Speaker 2>of them, is there a couple more of costly mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>that we can learn from your article in the Boston

485
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<v Speaker 2>Globe magazine a couple of weeks from a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I think you know a lot of people wait

488
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<v Speaker 7>and bank on a last minute deal. They think that

489
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<v Speaker 7>they're going to wait and book their hotel, their flight

490
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<v Speaker 7>for the very last minute. But if you have your

491
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<v Speaker 7>heart set on going somewhere, it can be disappointing when

492
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<v Speaker 7>that doesn't pan out. Also, a lot of times you

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<v Speaker 7>won't be able to You might be able to fly

494
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<v Speaker 7>there for cheap, but won't be able to do the

495
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<v Speaker 7>things that you want to do. One trend that's happening

496
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<v Speaker 7>is people are doing sort of a reverse engineer of

497
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<v Speaker 7>a trip and they're backwards planning. And that just means

498
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<v Speaker 7>that booking a trip based on wherever you can fly

499
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<v Speaker 7>the cheapest and then sort of going back from there.

500
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<v Speaker 7>But you know, that might be a budget airfare, but

501
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<v Speaker 7>it also may not work out for you know, you

502
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<v Speaker 7>may have to pay extra for the places you want

503
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<v Speaker 7>to go, the tours you want to do. However, many

504
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<v Speaker 7>people you've got with you.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, what about what about this?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, those of us in New England, most of us,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, stick around New England. We might go to

508
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<v Speaker 2>the Cape, we might go to New Hampshire. Maybe we'll

509
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<v Speaker 2>go up to Maine. Some people like Vermont. Some people

510
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<v Speaker 2>go to the Berkshires.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's also beaches. There's a big coastline in Connecticut.

513
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<v Speaker 2>Is there a substantial cost differential one area a little

514
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<v Speaker 2>higher or another area a little lower and you can

515
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<v Speaker 2>still have the same thing. You can have the amusement

516
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<v Speaker 2>park nearby, you can have uh, you can get to

517
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<v Speaker 2>a beach. Uh. They're not all the same. I mean

518
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<v Speaker 2>the Cape gets a little pricey, right, I.

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<v Speaker 7>Think everywhere in New England gets a little pricey in

520
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<v Speaker 7>the summer. But certainly if you can make your way

521
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<v Speaker 7>inland and you're not necessarily drawn to drawn to the coast,

522
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<v Speaker 7>you can save a little bit of money. Generally, the

523
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<v Speaker 7>ocean front and ocean towns are going to be more

524
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<v Speaker 7>expensive than lakes, but there's a you know, there's many

525
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<v Speaker 7>great lakes and bodies of water that are going to

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<v Speaker 7>sort of give you that ocean feel without having to

527
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<v Speaker 7>do that. That's you're going to find that in the

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<v Speaker 7>north of Maine. You find that all throughout Vermont. New

529
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<v Speaker 7>Hampshire has got a bunch too, So I would say

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<v Speaker 7>that I'm just sort of thinking a little bit outside

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<v Speaker 7>the box and and also maybe also looking at a

532
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<v Speaker 7>lot of ski resorts. Generally what we think of as

533
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<v Speaker 7>ski towns are doing a lot in the summer months

534
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<v Speaker 7>to attract people and usually have just like in the

535
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<v Speaker 7>winter time.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure the Cape is a heck of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>less expensive than is the winner. That's that's some real

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<v Speaker 2>reverse engineering. Those are great advice, some great advice. Alyssa Giacoby,

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<v Speaker 2>Boston Globe Magazine writer, Alyssa, where can follow you? Can

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<v Speaker 2>they they check out some of the body of work

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<v Speaker 2>at the Globe of a website, we can we can

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<v Speaker 2>send people to or.

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<v Speaker 7>No, yep, so you can read this story at Globe

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<v Speaker 7>dot com Backslash magazine. It's recent. And then I have

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<v Speaker 7>a website. It's just a lista Jacoby dot com, but

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<v Speaker 7>you can you can read my work on the Globe

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<v Speaker 7>through the website.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great, Alyssa, thanks very much. We we got to

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<v Speaker 2>you a little bit later, so we stayed with you

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit longer, and I just want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for your patience and your time and

552
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:44.319
<v Speaker 2>your advice.

553
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<v Speaker 3>Great advice.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Alyssa, thanks for having Okay, welcome, all right, coming back,

555
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about if you're sticking around at home,

556
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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have a lot of fun in the backyard.

557
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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk about the twenty twenty five gardening

558
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<v Speaker 2>trends and basic gardening tips for beginners.

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<v Speaker 3>I need gardening tips.

560
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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever really gardened, and will answer

561
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<v Speaker 2>the time old question, when is it a good time

562
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<v Speaker 2>to start preparing your gardens in New England?

563
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<v Speaker 3>I suspect it's right around. Now we'll find out.

564
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<v Speaker 2>Katie Timony, chief marketing officer of Monrovia Plants, will join

565
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<v Speaker 2>us on the other side.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World,

567
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<v Speaker 1>Nice Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, our fourth and final guest, those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who are gardeners out there, and I'm not talking about

570
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<v Speaker 2>Chauncey Gardner. I'm talking about real gardeners. Let me introduce

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<v Speaker 2>Katie Timony. Katie, have I gotten your last name fairly close?

572
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<v Speaker 7>I hope it's pretty close. It's Tammany. I'm Katie, Tami.

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<v Speaker 4>Nice to be here.

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<v Speaker 3>So no relation to Tammany.

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<v Speaker 7>Hall right, No different from Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, So so gardening this is for me.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a challenge. I've never really I.

578
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<v Speaker 2>Have tried the garden, but without success. So if there's

579
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<v Speaker 2>people out there tonight, whether they live in the suburbs

580
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<v Speaker 2>or they live in a city, what can they do

581
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<v Speaker 2>with they'd like to cultivate a little bit of you know,

582
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<v Speaker 2>vegetation of some sort, maybe even a plant or two.

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<v Speaker 3>How do we start off with this? How do we

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<v Speaker 3>get going?

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<v Speaker 7>Sure, well, a lot of people are a little bit scared,

586
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<v Speaker 7>you know, it's over. It can be overwhelming. But I'd

587
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<v Speaker 7>say start with good quality plants. You know, make sure

588
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<v Speaker 7>you buy plants that are well rooted, they're a good shape,

589
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<v Speaker 7>you know, start with a plant that's in good condition

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<v Speaker 7>before you put it in the ground. That's step one.

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<v Speaker 7>And then now is a great time to think about

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<v Speaker 7>the condition of your soil, to really make sure that

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<v Speaker 7>where you plant something, you've got good quality soil. So

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<v Speaker 7>I'd start with those basics.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you figure that out?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm looking at soil and it looks looks like soil

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<v Speaker 2>to me. Can you do a test or something?

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<v Speaker 3>What can you do?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you can test the pH in your soil and

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<v Speaker 7>then go to your local garden center and say, you know,

601
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<v Speaker 7>I've got you know, a soil type that's more acidic

602
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<v Speaker 7>or more alkaline. What do I need to add to it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? How do you do that?

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<v Speaker 2>Though, I'm saying if you're talking to someone like me,

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<v Speaker 2>who I have no idea, I mean, how do I know?

606
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<v Speaker 3>If it's what do I do to have to that's?

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<v Speaker 3>I get a little chemical kit or something like that.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so there's a little there's little test kits that you

609
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<v Speaker 7>can pick up at your garden center or your hardware store.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's a really simple, you know, inexpensive tool.

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<v Speaker 3>That you how deep do you dig down to?

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<v Speaker 2>I assume as you take the soil off the top,

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<v Speaker 2>that might give you a false.

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<v Speaker 7>Reading, right, you want to you want to sort of

615
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<v Speaker 7>get a sample of your soil? Do you want to

616
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<v Speaker 7>dig a little bit deeper? You know, like the I

617
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<v Speaker 7>big about six inches to get a good soil sample.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So then when you when you bring the

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<v Speaker 2>sample back to the gardening center, they're going to say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is too acidic, or this it's alkali alkaline level

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever the phrase.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and they'll suggest amendments that's what we call them,

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<v Speaker 7>to improve the quality of your soil.

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<v Speaker 2>Kind of like the Constitution right in an Okay, that's.

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<v Speaker 7>Good, uh huh.

626
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<v Speaker 2>And so what's the easy stuff that people can You know,

627
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<v Speaker 2>right now here in New England, the weather hasn't quite turned.

628
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<v Speaker 2>We're still like thirty at night, forties. Okay, wait, can

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<v Speaker 2>you really start getting out there and start I guess

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<v Speaker 2>you can pull some soil up now and.

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<v Speaker 3>Take it to the god.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure, now it's a great time to look at your soil.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure that that's what you want to do now, But

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<v Speaker 7>you want to wait until at least mid April, when

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<v Speaker 7>the tempts are consistently above fifty degrees to start cleaning up. Yeah,

636
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<v Speaker 7>you want to wait to clean up your outdoor space

637
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<v Speaker 7>because actually you're even You know, the dead stuff right

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<v Speaker 7>out right now is protecting over winter. Bring pollinators. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>bees and other important insects are hanging out in dead

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<v Speaker 7>flower stems and underleaves. So don't prune anything, don't don't

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<v Speaker 7>dig anything up just yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, I have I have written that down because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the excuse I'll be using this weekend when my wife.

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<v Speaker 3>Say nope, it's a little too early.

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<v Speaker 2>The March madness is still on, and my friend, the

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<v Speaker 2>garden lady told me not to do it, So thank

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<v Speaker 2>you for that.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, what is the sort of stuff unless you love.

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<v Speaker 2>Tomatoes or you want cucumbers, what is some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a vegetable that you can grow in your garden where

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<v Speaker 2>you have at least a chance of having it become

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<v Speaker 2>real sometime in August or September or whenever it becomes real.

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<v Speaker 7>Tomatoes are pretty easy, you know, in a sunny spot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>tomatoes can be very easy. Herbs, you know, lots of

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<v Speaker 7>herbs are really easy. Basil is mary. But one vegetable

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<v Speaker 7>monrovia actually doesn't grow vegetables. But one vegetable that I

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<v Speaker 7>always used to grow with my kids that was very

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<v Speaker 7>easy is carrots. Okay, starting carrots from seed, that's a

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<v Speaker 7>super easy you know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, the rabbits won't be attacked. The rabbits won't be

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<v Speaker 2>attacking the cat.

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<v Speaker 7>You want to you want to protect your edible garden,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, with something you know again garden center or online,

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<v Speaker 7>you can buy you know, simple screening to protect your

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<v Speaker 7>edible garden from deer, from all kinds of critters that

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<v Speaker 7>want to get in there.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, electric fence.

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<v Speaker 7>Well I wouldn't got that far.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, barbed wire, nothing like that, right, but how tall

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<v Speaker 2>should the fence be?

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<v Speaker 3>At least three or four feet?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, you want to cover. You want to also if

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<v Speaker 7>you're trying to keep you know, you know, other critters out,

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<v Speaker 7>you want to cover the top of your edible garden.

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<v Speaker 7>If you're doing a raised bed. Yeah, so you can

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<v Speaker 7>even buy kind of a screening fabric to put over

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<v Speaker 7>your raised beds.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so yeah, and someone climbing up the fence and

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<v Speaker 2>then hopping over the fence.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, that's what you know, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Then to put up like a to put up a fence,

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<v Speaker 2>as you're probably gonna tell, I'm not the most mechanically

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<v Speaker 2>astute talk show host you're going to talk to this spring.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to buy some steaks, right and they yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And you're going to hook the fence onto the steaks,

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<v Speaker 2>and then surround the perimeter. You gotta surround. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>leave one side of the fence open, obviously, right right.

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<v Speaker 7>You have like a raised bed garden that's like three

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<v Speaker 7>to four feet you know, square, you would you would

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<v Speaker 7>just put like PVC pipe on the edges. You could

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<v Speaker 7>do that. You could put a tall kind of steak

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<v Speaker 7>on each corner and then just lay the sheeting over that.

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<v Speaker 7>But if you don't want to plant veggies, if you

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<v Speaker 7>want to plant fruit, which minrovia grows, I would suggest

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<v Speaker 7>blueberries would be great. That's an easy shrub. You just

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<v Speaker 7>need your soil to be a little bit acidic, and

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<v Speaker 7>the Sunshine blueberry or Bountiful blue great one to plant,

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<v Speaker 7>produces lots of juicy fruit, so you get wonderful yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>you get you get wonderful productive berries from those shrubs.

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<v Speaker 7>And you can plant those they stay compact. You can

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<v Speaker 7>put them in a container on your patio or in

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<v Speaker 7>the garden and they just need a lot of sun.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds great, sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>You said your Monrovia Plants.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you in Monrovia, Pennsylvania by any chance or no?

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<v Speaker 7>No, Actually the nursery was founded in Monrovia, Southern California,

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<v Speaker 7>Monrovia near Los Angeles. But now we have nurseries all

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<v Speaker 7>over the country, including in Connecticut and a.

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<v Speaker 3>Great we're heard in the eastern half of the US

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<v Speaker 3>right now. We got people listening everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>So how could people get more information from Rovia Plants.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the website?

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<v Speaker 7>So it's Monrovia dot com and we have a great

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<v Speaker 7>tool called my plant Finder where you can type in

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<v Speaker 7>your zip code and what you're looking for in a plant.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, maybe you want to attract bees and butterflies,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe you want to screen out the neighbors. You just

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<v Speaker 7>you just put in what you're looking for and you

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<v Speaker 7>up pops the plants that will grow well in your area.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's Monrovia dot com slash my plant Finder.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great, Katie Tammany, thank you so much. I got

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<v Speaker 2>that pronunciation the last time here.

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<v Speaker 7>You did you did you nail?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Thanks Katie, we'll talk again. I really enjoyed touchat

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<v Speaker 2>with your fun.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks, thanks, take the thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we're going to talk about where

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<v Speaker 2>we're going in New England in terms of climate and

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<v Speaker 2>what we can do. I've got a great guest. His

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<v Speaker 2>name is Dave Cash. He was the Regional Administrator for

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<v Speaker 2>the EPA up until UH President Trump took over in

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<v Speaker 2>January twentieth, and we're going to talk about clean energies

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<v Speaker 2>from a high school teacher. Is that he is a PhD.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to Yale and Kennedy School. The government is

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<v Speaker 2>a great guest.

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<v Speaker 3>Had him on before. Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about again energy in New England and what

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<v Speaker 2>we can do, how we can.

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<v Speaker 3>Strike that balance.

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<v Speaker 2>Very important conversation coming up right after the nine o'clock

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