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hearing the sound of treating and no one cares where
he's coming from my ears and no riding feeding and
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Speaker 5: Hello, Hello and welcome hello everyone out there.
Speaker 3: It's been a weird day today. And toldians, I just
got a call that Vet's father was in a rollover
smart rollover accident up in Canada and he walked away
on scathe but everybody else serious. Oh that's terrible, like
body cast. Serious. So and I know you had some
bad news today too. Yeah. Yeah, so not fun, not
fun at all. But anyhow, we'll we'll carry on. It's uh,
what episode three or seven? Three? Seven? Yeah, on this
very sultry, hot, humid night, and he's probably hot everywhere.
Speaker 5: It's gross outside. I haven't gone outside hardly at all
a couple of days. It's no fun.
Speaker 3: Well, I can see you haven't shaved.
Speaker 5: I have not shaved in I don't know about three
weeks now. I think it's a three week beard. Three
weeks today too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a lifetime beard for me.
Speaker 5: Not hard for me to grow a beard.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yeah I can. I can grow in, but
it comes out like all different colors.
Speaker 5: It's like, well it used to be black. I miss
that used to have black hair and not anymore. Pretty
pretty young.
Speaker 3: Well that's what happens, you've lost the coloring.
Speaker 5: I guess it just leaves one day. Yeah, I started going,
I started getting pretty great. Yeah, fifty four now for
me it was eighteen yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's like eighteen all right, So we have
two great guests. We have Scott Brush and Bill Chappi
on tonight. Both yeah, both our Midwestern researches. Research research researches.
And I say that researchers who focus, Yeah, they focus
on something kind of especially unsettling in that strange encounters
in our own backyard, like in urban areas, the edge
of our parks, the back at the backside of Walmart,
you know what I mean. So the suburbs. So we're
going to be talking about strange encounters in and around
urban areas. Their research takes them into reports of bigfoot,
dog man, and other unexplained creatures. There you go. Yeah,
so if you have a big foot sighting near highways businesses,
you're not crazy. It's it's a real thing. They punch in.
I think, uh, monsters and creatures feel safer in the suburbs.
There's no guns. There's no guns. No, there's no no hunting.
Speaker 5: No hunting dogs, yeah.
Speaker 3: Dogs around leashes. So there you go. What else you've got? So,
I guess we're just gonna do. I've got Tech Breakdown.
We don't have clips tonight, but we do have Tech Breakdown.
We have our weird and Fast news and weird fact. Yeah,
yeah it is. I don't know why, but we've been
smoked out. My lungs are still burning from me other
today it was a little better. Yeah today, then yesterday
was okay, but the day before it was bad. I
had to work out in that crap and my lungs
literally we're just burning, like you could feel a burn.
It was not fun. So I'm still a little bit
kind of weird. And we're not the only ones. I mean,
they've been getting it all.
Speaker 6: Here.
Speaker 3: I was in luth early this week and it was
really bad. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, folks are up on the range, up on the range,
on the Iron Range, Minnesota's Iron Range for those what
I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Well, it makes for pretty sunsets, but yeah, it's not
good for our lungs, all right, So you're definitely gonna
want to grab a comfy chair, gymer, the lights, definitely,
lock the doors, double check them, all the doors, the windows,
lock them, and to get ready for a few chills
and goosebumps. I think tonight with these your squatch bait
out side too, yes and ready, oh man, I I do.
And I think about the the urban encounters that I
have with wildlife it's shocking. We literally had a battle
off a big wild turkey the other day.
Speaker 5: Get aggressive, Yeah, they do aggressive.
Speaker 3: It's like park right on the bike trail going you're
not passing without a fight. Yeah. And you know, we've
got bears running around all over our neighborhood and things
of channed coyotes. Things have changed.
Speaker 5: Oh, it aren't even remarkable anymore.
Speaker 3: It's just you just oh my god, I think we
see a rabbit like every fifteen foot chuff.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, they're everywhere I live. I live in the city,
I live in a Noka and it's as rabbits everywhere
in town. What do you think has happened with the rabbits?
Rabbits they're good at making more rabbits, and there's.
Speaker 3: Been plenty of hawks and eagles to prey, you know,
on the rabbits. So I don't know, somethings out of balance,
seems like it. Yeah, let's see, well, I think I
covered everything. Let's let's hit it. When they're weird and fasts.
Speaker 2: It's time for weird and fast knees.
Speaker 3: First off, scientists build a poop clock for monkeys. What
the hell is a poop clock?
Speaker 5: Poop clock? I don't have one of those, No, you.
Speaker 3: Need one, I'll buy you one. Scientists can now estimate
the biological age of wild monkeys without catching them or
drying blood. They only need fresh droppings. Researchers studying monkeys
in Costa Rica develop up to fecal and you can
say the word eigen epigenetic clock. See, that's what we're
gonna get you. You just pooping it and tells you
how hold you are every day. An epigenetic clock.
Speaker 5: That reminds me what's what's brown and sounds like a
bell dung dung god.
Speaker 3: Sorrysts, I heard a funny joke today, but I cannot
repeat it. It says this method could reveal whether drought,
habitat loss, stress, or poor nutrition causes wild animals to
age faster. It may eventually lead or let conservative and
concern conservationists to monitor the health of entire populations by
walking through the forest with collection bags instead of tranquilizer darts.
That's a good thing. So that's that's so.
Speaker 5: Now if you're if you're an intern on a field
where that's what you're going to be doing now, is collecting.
Speaker 3: Poop. Yeah, Well, I think it's cool that they can
tell no, obviously, not only what species, but how old
they are by the poop.
Speaker 5: Yep, who would have thought, well, you can tell a lot.
That's that's a yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 3: So, if we ever ever get our DNA results back,
maybe they can age the animal through DNA. Yeah, that
would be nice, all right. Next next, the air filter
knows who was in the room. This is This is
an article that appeared July sixteen, three days ago. Ordinary
air filters are turning out to be an accidental DNA
collection machine. Researchers can recover environmental DNA from trapped pollen,
bungle spores, viruses, animal cells, and microscopic flakes. So maybe
all we have to do is put in a filter
out in the forest. No no, no, no no no.
The dust, the body dust. But my body, my buddy, buddy,
my buddy calls body dust. That we go. We go
into it like an older bar and he always goes, man,
this place is full of a lot of body dust.
Speaker 5: That's what most household dust is a lot of it is.
Speaker 3: Oh god, okay, it says. Anyhow, animal cells, microscopic flakes
of human skin create what amounts to a genetic record
of everything that recently passed through the air. This could
help scientists detect endangered animals, monitor pathogens, and survey biodiversity
without seeing or capturing a single creature, but it also
creates a creepy privacy question. The buildings of ventilation filter
may quietly collect human genetic information from everyone that yeah,
that's that's interesting. Be careful where you go if you're
a criminal. And then apparently an orange lipped monkey roared
into science here on July sixteenth. This is a brand
new officially identified as a striking new monkey species in
the Democratic Republic of Congo called Colabus. And it's the
second part is congenious or lickwilly, lickwillie. That's it. Disagree
with me, Joff absolutely to say you pronounce that really good,
doug perfect. Apparently this thing has been collected by local communities.
It has like a bigfoot. It's got glossy black fur,
vivid orange lips, in a vocal repertoire that includes deep roarers, grunts,
and pig like snorts. DNA analysis indicates it's an evolutionary
line separated from its closest known relative roughly five million
years ago. The monkey appears to occupy only a limited
region of the Lomani National Park. So how did it
stay hidden all these years? It's a big place. Well,
I know, but it's got orange lips that But I
just wonder how many people reported it before it was
actually documented? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 5: And would you believe it? I probably wouldn't.
Speaker 3: How many you know? For it was this like a
thirty year thing where people are reporting orange lipped monkeys
and nobody ever you know it, said oh yeah, right, whatever,
yeah whatever. So apparently the monkey appears to occupy only
a limited region, like I mentioned, so researchers are already
recommending that it'd be considered an endangered species because of
hunting and habitat loss. So there you go. Interesting. Yeah,
that's the first African monkey I think discovered in a long, long,
long long time. Yeah, I think so, Like how long
do you think, Jeff? Upwards of three years? Three? I
think it's thirty while all right, next, kidneys and livers
printed in outer space? Nice pictured, Jeff?
Speaker 5: That you was up there this morning?
Speaker 3: Yeah that you took? Did you? Whose ear? Is it?
Land on that Petrie dish? I can't say. Vincent Vangell
could be a bioprinter. Think about this, a bioprinter, It's
like a three D printer. Aboard the International Space Station
reportedly produced kidney and liver tissue in orbit, the first
time those multiple tissue types have been manufactured away from Earth.
The system also produced cartilage samples and twenty eight experimental
nerve repair implants before the materials were returned to board
space x It says micro gravity allows cells to assemble
without collapsing, and I could see a weightless condition would
would help that.
Speaker 5: Uh definitely, Yeah, that would definitely help three D printing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially for soft you know, really soft tissue. Yeah.
It said that they didn't collapse under their own weight,
potentially creating smoother and more uniform tissue, so they can
be they'll be making hot dogs up in space soon.
Speaker 5: You think, let's not think about it too much.
Speaker 3: Oh, all right, enough of that crap. Gross it is gross. Um.
Apparently African DNA survived fifty thousand years Oh that's interesting. Yeah,
scientists recovered genetic material that from roughly fifty thousand year
old mountain reed buck tooth discovered in South Africa's boom
Plaz Cave. All right, boom pla cave. It maybe the
old your thanks Jeff for your support, your your pronunciator
pronunciation support, and said it may be the oldest DNA
yet recovered from the sub Saharan African or sub Saharan Africa,
where heat and moisture were long assumed to destroy ancient
genetic material. Researchers also obtained DNA from other ice age animals,
including ancient buffalo and will thebeast. The discovery suggests that
African caves and high altitude sites may hold far more
recoverable ancient DNA than previously believed. So there we go. Oh,
you can be a to We're gonna be able to
bring back everything.
Speaker 5: Comic from Eric here, fifty thousand year old DNA is
not uncommon, true, but that's mostly stuff from northern climates.
This is the difference here, Eric, is that if I'm
understanding that's right, is that it's coming from subsrd Africa,
which yes, yeah, so yeah, like d and A from U.
Speaker 3: Wellhy even I even said that it says researchers obtained
DNA from other ice age animals, including ancient buffalo and
well deebeeves blah blah blah. So I mean that's been
around for a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just distressing Eric's comment there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. Eric.
Speaker 5: You're wrong, Eric, you're wrong.
Speaker 3: You're just you're always wrong.
Speaker 5: You're wrong.
Speaker 3: No, just joking. Eric's smart guy.
Speaker 5: He's a very smart guy, and he's usually right.
Speaker 3: I'd say half the time. All right. Number eight Lonely
A lonely toad returns after sixty five years. So apparently
a male woodhouse toad has suddenly appeared at the Springs
Preserve in Las Vegas. Now, what the hell is a
toad doing in Las Vegas to begin with? For the
first time since a approximately nineteen sixty two, cameras recorded
this toad calling repeatedly for a mate. Where did they
come from? Jeff? How do they declare something extinct in
nineteen sixty two and then suddenly it reappears.
Speaker 5: It's amazing that's happened so many times.
Speaker 3: There's a name for that. What do they call it again?
There's a name. It starts with an L. Lazarus, the
lazareuth animal. All Right, I said, this toad maybe the
first pioneer of returning population or simply the loneliest bachelor
in Nevada. Either way, his arrivals suggests that habitat restoration
at the preserve maybe recreating conditions suitable for wildlife that vanished.
I don't get it. Come from.
Speaker 5: Somewhere in the Come on there.
Speaker 3: I mean, they had to be a breeding population. Do
you think there's like a gen bank the aliens have
and they just like, oh, let's just drop one off again.
Speaker 5: A couple of lots just had to be an isolated
breeding population.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know, but what about my theory? Sure?
Speaker 5: Why not?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why not? Mine's way more fun. I'm not gonna
tell you're rock could be yeah, okay, next one is
really interesting, and I know you took this picture. You
did a great job. A bottle cap becomes a floating
Noah's ark. This is pretty cool. I know this is cool.
Scientists examining a single plastic bottle cap found near southern
Japan discovered, in astonishing listen to this, three hundred and
seven marine organisms living on or around it. The tiny
pas messengers included barnacles, crustaceans, worms, including one go ahead, Jeff,
poly polycat worm species. I could be wrong. I think
you're wrong, but that's good. I like it. I like
the way you like the way you said it a
polykeet worm species that has never ever previously been recorded
in Japanese waters. The discovery shows the ocean trash does
more than pollute beaches. Floating plastic can become a miniature
traveling ecosystem, carrying animals across huge distances and possibly introducing
invasive invasive species. So there you go. I can see
that a bottle, stuff swims in.
Speaker 5: It, a piece of wood. It could happen to anything,
but that picture is amazing. It is I was south
southern Japan this morning. Yeah, flew up to the space
dist that last picture, and yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 3: I love it. Yeah, it's been busy, and of course
I went to the the Lost City. You went to Japan.
I went to the Lost City to take this picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It says a hidden furnace feeds the Lost City oceans
and extreme life is about And this was just published
two days ago. Scientists drilled approximately one point three kilometers
beneath the Atlantic sea floor near the Lost City's hydro
thermal field and found extremely hot, hydrogen rich water that
may be powering one of our strangers ecosystems. Unlike from
familiar black smoker vents, lost cities, tall pale towers support
organisms using chemical energy rather than sunlight. The discovery suggests
a hidden underground reservoir that's been feeding the vents from
deep inside the earth. And I don't really give a
crap because I ain't going down there. Oh hello to Jeff.
Speaker 5: It's completely unique stuff down there, and alien company doesn't
come to the surface, and it's yeah, it's uh, it's
a completely different type of life.
Speaker 3: It's crazy alien style ecosystem.
Speaker 5: For sure, life finds a way, as they say it does.
Speaker 3: All right, that's it for the news. Let's just do
where a quick, very very weird fact of the weird
fact of the week.
Speaker 7: It's now time for untold radio weird fact of the week.
Speaker 1: That is kind of weird.
Speaker 3: How about a sea slug that cuts its own head off,
it's own head, It just takes it off and grows
a new body. Could you imagine?
Speaker 5: That's strange?
Speaker 3: That is weird, weird.
Speaker 5: That's a weird fact.
Speaker 3: That is a weird fact heard this week. Oh my god.
Or is it the body growing a new head? Or
is it the head growing a new body. We're gonna
find out, all right, The sea slug cuts its own
head and grows a new body. Two subspecies of the
Oh my god, these words. These scientists say it again,
second glosson. Yes, it's the old Saca gloss and sea
slug that we all know about and lovely. Apparently it
can deliberately detach their own heads from their bodies. How
they do it, I have no idea. The severed head
remains alive, crawls around, begins feeding again, and then grows
an entirely new body, including a new heart, new internal organs,
and researchers think the extreme self amputation may help the
slugs escape internal parasites. So that's what you do. You
get diarrhea. Younger slugs regenerate successfully and roughly three weeks,
while the discarded headless bodies never grew new heads. So
heads grow bodies, bodies do not grow heads. Scientists suspect
the head survives partly by using stolen chloroplasts from LGA,
allowing it to temporarily gain energy from sunlight while rebuilding itself.
So it cuts its own hand off, girls a new body,
and somehow avoids any hospital bills. That's crazy, none, Oh
my goodness.
Speaker 5: That's a weird fact. A very weird fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was very weird. And then for our tech breakdown,
I want to talk about a new, a new old
kind of radio. Do you remember the old next cell phones?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 3: And you could push a button and just like I
remember we all had him at the office and I
could just call, like I have one of my sales
guys and just like bug them in the middle of
the night, just like a walkie talkie. Yep. But it
was clear, you know, I was free of interference. Well,
once again I want to bring to your attention which
was brought to my attention again by Michael Waldy, the
great Michael Waldy from Texas. He called and we were
talking about technology, and he was talking about great these
radios were, and I said, can I do it for
my tech breakdown? He said yeah. So, anyhow, this is
a what's called a rapid radio. And why would you
want to use a rapid radio over a walkie talkie?
So it says rapid radios are basically nationwide walkie talkies
powered by cellular networks. There's no dialing, no ringing, and
no cell phone app. You press the button instantly talk
privately to one person or broadcast to everybody that's got
one in your group, which would be great for an expedition.
It says they can connect users thousands of miles apart,
automatically search for major cellular learn networks, and they will
support groups up to two hundred people. They delivered five
days of standby bower and a two radio set currently
lists four sit down. It's not cheap three ninety nine,
but the first year of service included though, So you
get two radios three ninety nine and you get the
service for free for the one year. Otherwise I believe
it's like fifty bucks a year for each radio, so
it would be one hundred dollars.
Speaker 5: And per Yeah, you really need to have a lot
of use.
Speaker 3: For it to spend, Yeah, I think so. I think
what the advantages are is it's obviously a cell phone
you kind of need to call somebody, and this avoids
that I could see. This would be you know, for
a little higher end expedition where everybody's early organized. This
would be a nice addition.
Speaker 5: We when I was up in Or a couple of
weeks ago with Brendan, we experimented with a mesh network.
You had talked about that tech breakdown a while ago
just we use little just their tiny little gadgets smaller
than a cell phone. You just text on them. But
they don't need self you know, they need they need
a wireless mesh network, which yeah we did with the
Wi Fi stuff and percent yet but they were I mean,
we communicated and it doesn't you cell phone doesn't you
sell doesn't.
Speaker 3: Use radio waves.
Speaker 5: But we were able to text back and forth across
the network for free.
Speaker 3: And how far away could you be? You have to
be within the wireless service.
Speaker 5: The wireless yeah, yeah, within the wireless but it's pretty
easy to uh maybe Brendan well, I can't remember the
details about it, but it's pretty easy to get take
stend that network.
Speaker 3: Very cool, very cool. Anyhow, so if you, uh I
have an interest in this, you know they do work good.
Michael Waldy loves them.
Speaker 5: Pretty cool.
Speaker 3: And uh I see they have bottom of this crap
o meter eight twenty percent cellular dependent. So there you go.
Mm hm ah, what do we got now? We have
I think we have Scott.
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Speaker 3: All right, and we are back, and there's dog Im
back too. It looks like we have Scott in the
backstage area. And let me just quickly introduce Scott. Scott
Brush is from Michigan. Same incredible environment as kind of Minnesota.
In Wisconsin, the northern part. It's it's a very highly
productive environment. Scott is an aspiring author, US Air Force veteran,
He's a jim rat, he's a big foot field researcher,
in an amateur poet. Cool. And he is from Monroe, Michigan.
I don't know, I don't know exactly. I think it's
upper Michigan. Maybe do you know where Mini was? We'll
ask him. Anyhow, let's welcome Scott.
Speaker 5: Welcome Scott here he is.
Speaker 4: Scott, Hey, guys, how's it going good?
Speaker 3: Good, good to meet you.
Speaker 10: You too, Thank you for the opportunity. I was like,
no way, Doug Heichak just said come on my show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. I am. I'm excited to have excited
to have you on. I I feel that, uh, there's
probably maybe only one percent of the people I know
nowadays and big for research. There was a time I
knew everybody, like everybody, and you know, he started at
the top, guys like John Green and you know, uh,
you know Rick Nole and all kinds of the people
that were in it before I was Matt Moneymaker.
Speaker 6: Guys like that.
Speaker 3: But there were so few and now there's just a
lot of people, which is great, but.
Speaker 5: Talented, hard working, just really smart people. There are really
really high quality people lots.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I am so. I was excited to meet you. Scott. Okay,
so you're from Michigan. Are you in the upper part
or the lower?
Speaker 4: Monroe was actually the lower part.
Speaker 10: I'm about fifteen miles from the Toledo, Ohio border.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, and Ohio is also a good bigfoot area.
Tell me, yes, yeah, So just tell me about the
area that you kind of focus on.
Speaker 10: Honestly, I've always been a believer, you don't get me wrong.
I've always thought Bigfoot can exist in mountains and all
that stuff. It's it's not hard to fathom something living
way out in the middle of the woods somewhere when
I had an experience like in more of like a
city environment, like the back of the local park six
or seven hiking all that connects to all the green
ways of the farmers and stuff in the area. Semon
Roe is like surrounded by plots of major land where
a lot of overs are own for generations. So a
lot of that land all connects to Lake Erie, which
connects to a lot of old trails that were used
during the war. So these things can get around, yeah,
relatively effortlessly.
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm kind of I'm really with you
on this because there's so many advantages to be on
the edges of you know, the urban areas. It's more food,
it's more prey. And I always tell people when I
go out on like floatplane trips where I get dropped
off in the middle of the wilderness, you never see
any animals. I mean, it's a thrill to see a seagull,
one seagull on a ten day trip, or maybe you
might see a pine martin maybe every third trip, but
general you don't see anything. But I go on a
bike ride around the city around the suburbs. And let's see,
I got Oh there was twenty deer herd. There's like
a bunch of wild turkeys. Oh there's a fox. Tons
of rabbits, not deer, yeah, weird deer, tons of raptors,
tons of oh. I mean, just it's crazy.
Speaker 10: Forget the dumpsters, you know, late at night going behind
McDonald's and breaking into the dumpsters and all that kind
of stuff too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people just have to realize that you don't
need to go out in the middle of nowhere to
do research. You just have to get in the right corridors.
Power line cuts, streams, creeks, railroad tracks are great for research.
Speaker 10: Tons of those here, Lots of swampy areas, you know,
for cart fishing. I mean, there was just a sighting
here in May thirteenth of twenty twenty five, and the
BFRO credited as legit. So I mean not that I
need to bfr road to tell me what I already
believe in and no, but it's just cool to have
an accredited, you know, relatively accredited group be like, yeah,
something was there.
Speaker 3: Well, I've had two sidings that were really good. One
was definitely in an urban area. I was driving down
a fairly busy highway, a non divided highway through the woods,
but it separates this road separates two wilderness areas. But
yet it's still only six miles from restaurants, gas stations,
blah blah blah. And there's a bigfoot walking alongside the road.
Obviously it was taking a shortcut to get into this
wilderness area on the Rice Creek watershed area. And it
didn't give it. Damn. It just didn't give a dam
And it was it was just plowing over alders and
small sapling just to get into that area and disappeared
into the swamp basically. But I'll bet you no less
than twenty cars saw that creature if they were observing
even a little bit.
Speaker 10: It's crazy to think, Yeah, they can just drive down
the road to the little park and I'm more likely
to have a sighting than I am padding over to
like the Rocky.
Speaker 3: Mountains, yeah, or taking a real expensive trip into the
you know, being dropped off, or trying to four wheel
into a very remote area. I actually do. I do.
And even in a remote area, they tend to kind
of come towards whatever civilized like we go to cell road,
which is the most remote area that I go to
on a regular basis. You get dropped off by a
flow plane. There's no roads in there. The only way
to get in there is plane. You get dropped off.
And yet the creatures come around the cabin, the one
man made object there. Why because every six days people
throw out all of the perishable food that they bring up.
We all just bring two much food up there, and
it's you know, and you can just you dump it
all out behind the cabin, you know, fifty yards behind
the cabin, and they know that. So every six days
there's a grocery store laid out there of exotic food
and fruit and meat and you know, eggs and you know,
things are not going to find in the wilderness very easy.
Speaker 10: And I love how you said, you know, pretty much
every six days, because I really think these things operate
on a pattern in a lot of the behaviors in
their lives. Yeah, you can almost guarantee a time of
day if you're in an active area where where you're
gonna encounter them. And for me, I'm going to say
that's probably one in the afternoon, Like I've had between
one and seven just loaded with activity.
Speaker 3: Well, you bring Okay, that brings up a really cool
topic because they're probably not gonna have the same kind
of patterns living in these urban areas, or at least
punching into these urban areas. They're gonna be up at
two in the afternoon, They're gonna be doing all sorts
of weird you know things. They're not gonna be predictably
like between you know, uh, midnight and four in the morning.
There they may you may have a run in in
the middle of the afternoon, you know, because.
Speaker 10: It's like their TV. You know, they're watching people play soccer.
You know, the softball fields are there, they're watching from
the tree lines. I mean, I would think they probably
can pick up on broken English that way too.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you bring up a really good point, Scott.
I mean, we're we're definitely on the same wave length, Okay.
Because the day that we saw our sasquatch walking along
the road, there happened to be a little hometown little
water ski show on a lake. There's never anybody on
it's a desolate lake, nobody lives on it. They put
on this little water ski show and guess what was
there on the shore? Probably twenty children, and this thing
we believed. Our theory was it came to spy on
these kids. Was it a mother? I don't you know.
I don't know, but they're really attracted to little groups
of people, especially little ones.
Speaker 10: And that's why I think my park is such a
hotbed because there's so much going on there at any
given time, especially in the summer. You know, kids are
out of school, softball teams, we got the bike, the
skating rink, and everything is right there. Yeah, so there's
a lot going on. So it's like, why not we
have a visual feast. We can't hunt back there, and
it connects to other people's properties where you know they
can hunt. Many used game trails also culverts, massive eight
foot nine foot wide ten foots all culverts like the drains,
which I think they use a travel from tree line
to tree line unseen as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's probably true. But the power line cuts are
like usually bordered by thick forests and they can just
zip right through these these open areas and there's seems
to be more like swamp land a lot of times,
green belts. There's bike pass a lot of times they'll
use those for travel walkways at night. We even find
we find shelters. Do you ever find shelters near the park? Yes?
Speaker 10: And these things, and I'm like, how is nobody else
questioning why there's teepee structures twenty feet off the path?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
Speaker 10: I'm looking at it like nobody's going out of their
way to do that, especially with the size of some
of the logs and length of the sticks.
Speaker 3: Gee, I follow one was it today? I think it
was today that was wedged a lot did not come
from anywhere near, and it wasn't there the other day,
and it was lodged. There was a huge log that
was wedged into another tree. And that tree that was
wedged in there came from nowhere like there's nowhere near there,
was carried there and it was what would it weigh
I'm guessing about nine hundred pounds.
Speaker 4: That's like warm up weight for a sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Jeez. Yeah, It's like and I've seen in the same
area eighty foot tall, sixty foot tall structures, teepees that tall.
Next day they're gone and then I don't know if
the Forest services taking them down, and then they'll be
back again. It'll be rebuilt. And I'm like, what.
Speaker 10: Makes sense that you say, the forest Service or even
like the park personnel part out, Yeah, the parkers. Suddenly
we have all these strange, pretty decently and engineered structures.
A lot of them intersect at the top, like do
you know what they're doing? And then suddenly they're gone,
and you're like, are they trying to take our attention
away from them?
Speaker 4: That's why the.
Speaker 10: Staff are kind of crap. We got to get in
here and break these down.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I it's it's just a whole nother world. Okay,
So what do you think that they're Do you think
they're sleeping there? Do you think they're kind of punching
in during the daytime?
Speaker 4: I think they're sleeping.
Speaker 10: Basically, we have a runway, there's like a little airport,
and just to the left of that airport is a
real thick, like few acres of trees. You can watch
them in the tree line during the day, just chilling,
just sitting there watching. I wonder if they're watching the
planes going by, and then they'll go in the culverts,
is my theory, go all the way across that field.
Speaker 4: Boom.
Speaker 10: They're righting this orange trail loop at this park and
that's immediately pops out where all the hunting.
Speaker 4: Trails are, where the deer and stuff.
Speaker 3: You do.
Speaker 10: Like, so, I think they have an engineered plan of
how they travel to eat, to you know, relatively be
unspotted all those things.
Speaker 3: Now, if people can put up comments like somebody had
put up a comment about there was a sighting right
by a disc golf course, Yeah, which most of those,
like those disc golf courses are forested. We've got one
near our home that's just surrounded by forest, and uh,
that's this perfect habitat. You know. Often I wonder a
lot why there's so damn much wildlife on these suburban edges.
I mean it's kind of insane. I think about how
much wildlife is hanging around, so the food prey wouldn't
be a problem. I mean, the deer are tend to
be a little more I would say, ignorant of upright people.
They're more used to it, and they don't run and flee,
so they'd be easier to hunt.
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 10: And I think that animals in general, especially ones that
are hunted all the time, start to learn where hunting
doesn't really take place. And that's why a lot of
these relatively urbanized environments like parks have such a collective
habitat of creatures. They know, Hey, we're pretty safe here.
Speaker 3: By the way, Scott, Bill Chappie is in the back room.
Let's just bring Bill on. He's from Delafield, Wisconsin, not
terribly far from you, and maybe he can just he's
got some of the things he wants to talk about. Well,
let's hopefully he can just add to the conversation here.
Speaker 4: Let's do it Bill.
Speaker 5: Welcome Bill.
Speaker 4: How's it going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you guys are using phones, to make
sure your volume's down low so we don't get an echo,
that's all. Uh. But I just think that most people,
also in a suburban area are not going to report it.
They drive by, like the people that were behind us,
some of them, I'm sure saw that backfoot, and they're
just looking at each other going, did you do you
know what? I mean? I didn't know, stee what I
didn't know? There's no way and they just kept driving.
You know.
Speaker 10: Well, Monroe was the sighting of the original nineteen sixty
five Monroe Monster, so we have a lot of lore
that goes back and also the bloodiest battle of the
War of eighteen twelve took here, took place here, the
battle for the River Raising. Yeah, and during that time
and the soldiers diaries and journals and stuff, they talk
about eight LA like creatures climbing the walls taking.
Speaker 4: The rations during combat. Yeah, so it goes back quite
a way here.
Speaker 3: So Bill, do you do you kind of concur that
we have monsters that are literally living on the edge
of the urban areas and these green space.
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And what what are your thoughts? What? Why
do you think they are?
Speaker 6: Great question, isn't it? I just don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just, uh, it's all very at this point, it is.
Speaker 6: It's so interesting.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 6: I saw my first big foot footprint when I was
six years old, almost sixteen years ago up sixty five now,
and uh, and later that summer I saw the Gimblin
Patterson film down in the basement at a Fourth of
July party with his Black Party. And ever since then
it's been like a deep guy down the rabbit hole
to find out what's going on.
Speaker 3: So did you have your sighting Bill near town? Basically, well,
I never saw one. I just wasted footprint. I'm at
the footprint.
Speaker 6: No, it was out in the country where I lived
close to my home.
Speaker 3: Okay, but okay, but you say in the country there's
houses out in the country and farms. Correct. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I was probably three hundred feet from the neighborhood, and
at that time, it was very very out in the country.
But I remember seeing the footprint. It was twenty you know,
like twenty inches long. And I ran up to tell
my mom and dad, you know, and I told my
dad and mom' and there both my mom's cooking dinner,
and my dad just he looked at me and just
looked at my mom and said, Bev, what's for dinner?
You know, like you could care less, you know. But
I remember it. I recall it to this day, and
I really never left my mind.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, this is the topic that we're going to
continue to hammer tonight. And if anybody has any comments
or sightings they know about that happened next to urban
areas and what I mean urban. Don't get me wrong,
I'm talking to the inner city of you know, skyscrapers.
We're not talking about that. We're talking about the suburban
spall that we have going on, all the green corridors
that come very near gas stations. Uh, you know, even malls,
but there could be hundreds of acres of wilderness right
behind them. All. That's the kind of setting that we're
talking about. So okay, so we don't I don't know
much about either of you guys, So I want to both.
Why don't you talk a little bit Scott and you know,
did you see a creature? And what did you see?
And what happened?
Speaker 4: Like you start from the beginning, Yeah, well yeah I did.
Speaker 3: Don't drag it out too long, but no.
Speaker 10: No, I like to I like to cut to the
meat and potato of the story. My first I don't,
like I said, I've always believe I've researched a subject
for about thirty years. I've always been a believer. But
in July of twenty twenty three, mom my fiance and
I decided to get a Airbnb off brid to kind
of get away from the city because it's nothing but
sirens and stuff here and I'm like, we're gonna get
this in a kind of a squatchy area. I'm going
to kind of make this half research half get away
from it all. And obviously, Athens, Ohio was about twenty
seven to thirty miles away from Hawking Hills, which is
already a known hotspot. So we're sitting around the fire
and I just decided to grab a piece of the
cord from the firewood and just do a few tree knocks,
and not ten seconds later I heard something back. Of course,
I didn't jump right to conclusions thinking that's what it
would be, but I'm like, okay, what are the odds.
And then throughout the night, sitting around the fire, you know,
roast and hot dogs and stuff. Obviously we're creating a
lot of scent cones and stuff like that, and we.
Speaker 4: Started to hear things moving in the woods.
Speaker 10: And it's not that I immediately jumped to the fact that
they were bigfoot, but I still didn't want to wait
around if it were something else. So we decided to
go inside of the cabin, which was basically like a
super heavy duty yurt on top of like a deck.
There was a solar crank to like flush the toilet
and everything. You had to hike about a mile in
on this guy's property, which is a farm, and we're
sitting around the fire. Like I said, I start hearing stuff.
I'm like, let's go in the house. We are sitting
there in the bed and three a four am something ran.
Speaker 4: Into the side of that cabin.
Speaker 10: I kid you, not, like it was trying, We're talking
kool Aid guys style, trying to run through the side
of the cabin. It didn't come through, but it definitely moved.
And I'm like, we're not leaving. We're not leaving until morning, man,
We're not leaving.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 4: It was like.
Speaker 10: If you had like a car thrown into a brick wall,
like at high speed, like during a storm or something.
At least that's how I perceived it to be. Out
of a dead sleep, and it was absolutely insane. And
I'm like, clearly I didn't say what they wanted me
to with that log I must have said something wrong.
Maybe I didn't introduce myself properly.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 10: And then it was this kind of like gradual harassment
throughout the night, trying to open up the door, which
clearly something with opposable thumbs would need to do that
based on the kind of door this was. And then
my fiance, who is a skeptic, open minded mind you,
She's like, show me the proof and I'll believe. And
she kind of is more towards belief now. But the
window to the bed was about nine feet off the ground,
and I had fallen asleep and she was still awake,
and she said something was walking towards that window, bipedal
two really really heavy feet. And when she woke me
up and I said, what, the footsteps just stopped like
they just zipped off into nowhere, which is that's a
whole other category I can get into with that. And
that's how I got to believe. And after that, I'm like,
there's got to be a lot more out there. And
then when I had my first encounter, which all that
stuff could be found on my page the Urban Bigfoot
on Facebook. All the evidence is on there. That's when
we actually were face to face with one was probably
forty or fifty feet from the camera. The whole minute
and ten second video is right on Facebook. I've got
some stills extracted from the video that we've enhanced. It's
got like an ape and a canine type look to
the face with about five or six inches of ice facing.
Speaker 3: Interesting And was this kind of in a semi rural area, I.
Speaker 10: Would say about three quarters of a mile from the
park parking lot is when it has happened just into
the woods and it was it was right there, just
right around where there's a known game trill, and we
must have caught it hunting. It was probably nine thirty
ten o'clock at night when we encountered that one, and
we probably just were out there at the same time
it was doing its thing.
Speaker 3: By the way, Scott, did everybody tell you that you
saw like Richard Driver Us?
Speaker 4: No, but actually they did. Just now, thank you.
Speaker 3: You do. You remind me of the voice of Richard
Driver US.
Speaker 10: Nobody has ever given me a compliment like that in
any of the podcasts I've ever been on.
Speaker 3: Oh there you go. Why is my my eye is
twitching from something? It's not twitching. It's something to do
with the studio here, the lighting. It's kind of weird.
It looks like my eyes going level and it's not.
It's not. I assure you, I'll have.
Speaker 4: To you're not having a stroke on.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm gonna turn my light up a
little bit. Maybe I'll make it go away. There we go.
My light was too low. So, okay, this thing hit
And I've been in cabins that have been hit so
hard that it felt like a semi truck ran into
him or a big ram Dodge truck to drove right
into the wall. And it's impossible, you know what I mean.
It's just like, well, no human could do that if
they were gonna hoax you. There was no damage on
the cabin, the first cabin that I was in that
hit at hard that the bed that we were in
actually moved away from the wall. Whoa, whoa. Yeah. And
it was the first time I heard my daughter, my
youngest daughter. I'd never taken her on expedition, and she
sat up and said the F word. She said, well,
you know, and.
Speaker 4: I'd say, that's one of them free pastimes.
Speaker 3: Yeah it was. And I thought, and you know, explained
to her. I'm like, well, they're just trying to intimidate
us or something, you know. We don't know. Maybe they're
trying to get us to walk out of the cabin.
Maybe they're just doing it on a frustration, maybe the
kid they resent the cabin. Possibly, I don't know, but
it seems very angry. And then every night after that
it would attack another wall. So it did my wall first,
and then it did Joe's wall second, then Blaine's wall.
The third night.
Speaker 4: It's targeting all of you, like ken individually.
Speaker 3: It was weird, like how did it even know? But
the fact that it would attack a different wall every
night was quite fascinating. And then and then after that happened,
then each night it threw something at each wall versus
the big gadget, you know, the giant like truck hit.
It did more of a subtle like it would it
found Ah, it was a push room that we had
left out, and it threw one of those against the
wall and it bounced off, and then a rock on
another one, and you know, it was that kind of
a progression. If you ever felt in danger when that,
I mean, did you feel like you were in some
kind of danger when that big impact hit.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing.
Speaker 10: I was in such a dead sleep, thank god, that
I don't think I fully processed just how serious of
a moment it was.
Speaker 4: Had I been like a week when it happened.
Speaker 10: I think that I was protected by that r em
sleep or something for a minute. But it shocked me
so much that I'm still half asleep trying to process
with took place. Yeah, I'm like she my fiances like
we gotta go. I'm like, where are you gonna go?
We're a mile from the car. We're not leaving until
daylight at the very least if we survive the night.
Speaker 4: That is exactly you know what I mean.
Speaker 10: Like, there's a few tracks and stuff that I had
from there, but the fact that and I'm sure this
gets you too, Doug. The tracks ways leading to nowhere
or all of a sudden you'll hear them, then they
go away. I mean that's where the woo factor for
me comes into play a little bit.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it still it still throws you off, you know.
Speaker 3: And I know I have a problem talking about the
woot the wolf factor. It's just I have no idea
what these things are. Bill, I don't think you know
what these things are. I know you don't either, Scott.
And so all we can do is just collect the
data and not come to any solid conclusions. Theories are great,
you know, they make them out of this, make them
out We just don't know. But yeah, we've all experienced
things that didn't make any sense. All of us have,
probably Bill, don't. I'm not ignoring you. Have you had
any kind of sighting or anything, or has it just
been more a real keen interest into the topic.
Speaker 6: I'm no sighting, just the real keen interest in the subject,
the place that they had the Monster Quest sighting of
the season four, episode nine. I went over there. I
was just going out one night to get a gallon
of milk.
Speaker 3: Well, tell us what that sighting was, bill before you.
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, it was the one where the the werewolf
or the bear squatch had taken a deer off the
back of the d NR pickup truck at two o'clock.
Speaker 3: In the morning, right where they were picking up road.
Speaker 6: Killed deer right right, and it's the guy was had
put the deer in the back of the pickup truck
and then went in to do its paperwork in side
of the truck and heard a bump and didn't think
anything of it, heard another bump, and then looked in
your ear and saw like a bear type sasquatch. Yeah,
taking the deer out of the back of the truck,
and he took off in the truck, came back five
minutes later. The ramp was gone and the deer was gone,
and it was all over the news in Milwaukee, and
there was quite a few newspaper all that. So it
was really close to my house. So I went over
there many times to to you know, see where the
situation happened. And it happened right in front of this
church that we call Holy Hill. So one night I
went out just to get a gallon of milk, and
I noticed that there was a full blood moon and
it was Halloween, and I thought, if I go up
to Holy Hit and get some mixed pictures of you know,
the moon behind the church, it would be really a
great picture. So I went up there and I took
some pictures in front of the church, and then I
went down to where this encounter happened and I took
some more pictures, and it just gave me the creepiest
feeling I've ever had. I couldn't even describe it. I
got out of the truck to take these three pictures,
and I couldn't get back in the truck fast enough.
And I've you know, driven all over the United States
for work, and I'm really not afraid too much, but
this was the creepiest thing that's really ever happened to me.
I think just made the hair stand up on the
back of my neck. And I got out of the
truck to take those pictures, and you know, I took
these three pictures really quick and they're quite blurred. But
when I got home, I noticed the orbs in these pictures,
which I didn't see at the time. So I still
don't know what that is. And if anybody knows, i'd
like to hear their expertise on it.
Speaker 3: But like I remember, you heard a bunch of.
Speaker 6: Whistles, yes, now one mile north of that encounter. That
one happened in two thousand and six. There was another
BFRRO report that happened in twenty twenty one where a
kid was driving down the road and saw they asked
about hanging on the side of a tree as he went,
and he went home told his dad and they got
the dog, came back. The dog didn't want anything to
do with it, and they filed the report with the BFRRO.
They called the police, and I talked to the dad
a couple months after that, and by then he really
didn't want anything, you know, to do with anybody else
talking to him. But I went up there one night
about a year after this happened, and I had just
drove down there. It was two o'clock in the morning.
I drove down this road and I didn't see anything.
I turned around and came back up and it felt
like I had driven over like an eight inch rock.
It lifted the truck off the ground about eight inches.
And I didn't see anything in the road, and I
thought I had hit a raccoon. So I turned around
and came back, and I expected to see a dead
animal in the road, and there was nothing there, so
that was really strange. And then later the night, I
went down the road and I had my flashlight toward
this encounter area, and I was scanning the swamp with
a high powered delysium light and I wasn't seeing anything.
And then I heard something whistling at me like this
for three minutes, and it was only within twenty five
feet of me, down in the Cattaills. And this is
July eighteenth at night, at eleven o'clock at night, in
the middle of summer, and nobody in the right mind
is going to be down in the swamp doing that.
And I was so dumbfounded. I had my one foot
on the brake, one on the gas. I had to
light out, and I was searching right for where this
was to make sure it wasn't a human or anything else.
But I couldn't see anything. And the creep Factory there was.
It was just beyond description.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the creep factor. Do you, Scott, how brave are you?
I'm a complete chicken. I'm will brave when I'm with somebody,
but if I'm alone, forget it.
Speaker 10: I prefer I mean, it's safer to go at lease
with two people, you know, just before rule of thumb
or anything these days. But I've been out there a
couple of times at two three am by myself on
some independent investigations. I think that it's necessary to further
research when you when we start to do with things
that aren't that common. So me being out there by
myself is going to be listed different phenomena than me
and my buddy going out there together. So he'll go
out there by himself. Sometimes I'll go out there by myself.
Or we're doing like a leap frog tactic and we've
both gotten a lot of different responses trying different things.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the key is not to get eaten.
Speaker 10: Yes, I mean I can run fast, but forty five
forty five I don't think I can do forty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bill, you don't want to get eaten, but you
get the feeling you're about to be eaten. What is
that feeling. Do do you think that, like, do you
think Bill was zapped was something or do you think
it's just a natural instinct for us to be afraid
of the dark and knowing because we're in the know, right,
we know monsters are real, and a lot of people don't,
but we do know. We're in the know that way.
We don't know what they are, but we know they're real,
and it does something to us. You know. It's my
head's on a swivel. I've seen way too much not
buy on all, even if I'm with somebody.
Speaker 10: Oh for sure, I think he probably got in for sounded.
I believe infrasound is something that's pretty common, and I
think there's different degrees of severity. I don't think that
it's something that a sasquatch or any other crypti or
even normal creatures like tigers utilize it to paralyze their prey.
But I don't think it's something that happens all the time.
I think that maybe there's juveniles nearby and that's kind
of like a get out of here, this is your
only warning. I think it's sometimes it gets part of
a time. It's time for you to go now, sort
of levels that they have when you're overstay, you're welcome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jeff, have you ever felt that creepy feeling ever,
like even at Brendan's.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been the ones by myself. And yeah, when
you when you hear strange things and you don't know
what it is, Yeah, that's that's unsettling, it's definitely unsettling.
And even if you know what it is, it's unsettling.
I definitely get a feeling where you can't get out
of the woods fast enough.
Speaker 3: But Bill, okay, but what's your goal? Bill? Are you
hoping to see something? Bill? Yes, you are okay? And
and why why do you want to see something? This curiosity?
I guess.
Speaker 6: That was have the dash cam going, and okay, it's
curious about the area, and I go up there quite frequently.
I was up there a couple of times this last week.
And I think I told you about the owls that
were There was an owl right in the middle of
the road when I went up toward this place, and
he's a screech owl. He's just sitting in the middle
of the road back to me, really kind of bizarre.
And he flew up onto a mailbox and I pulled
up next to him, and he was within hteenth from
the car, just screeching for.
Speaker 4: For several minutes.
Speaker 6: And then I went to the other side of where
the encounter happened, and three black cats crossing front of my.
Speaker 4: Three black cats.
Speaker 6: What this is the creepiest area. It's it's up and down,
it's kettles and moraines, it's steep gulches, hunter foot drops,
and then it comes up and they made roads on
the crest of the hills. But this place, it is
just the creepiest place I've ever been to.
Speaker 3: How far do you think you are? How far apart
are you two guys? Do you think he's in? Jeff?
Can you find a map where Bill lives in Delafield, Wisconsin?
And then Scott is from Monroe, Michigan. How far right?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Ish ish Yeah, we Toledo.
Speaker 3: That's probably five hundred. Yeah. Okay, guys are far enough.
You're far enough a part. You're not going to hang out.
Speaker 4: You don't know that you change numbers.
Speaker 3: You guys would be dangerous together. Oh my god. Okay,
so we always you know, there's so munch of us
do research, but we don't really have any goals we're
just curious, just general general curiosity. Do you have a
specific goal, Scott? Why do? I?
Speaker 10: Personally like all of my research comes from a biblical perspective.
I think these things go all the way back to
before the flood.
Speaker 4: So I like to follow.
Speaker 10: I'm big and I researched the Book of Enoch extensively,
the Book of Giants, a lot of the a lot
of that thing, and that's litose sorts of texts. And
I think that our Bigfoot, in all of our sirens
and the creatures are ultimately due to the incursion from
the fallen angels. So I I hope to continue my research.
What I think?
Speaker 3: Are you trying to? Yeah, are you trying to, like
maybe even kind of prove out that theory.
Speaker 4: I would love to prove that theory. Oh, you know,
it's I don't know what it is. We all have
to have our own.
Speaker 10: Line of research, and your research has to support your
beliefs to a certain degree, you know. Yeah, I don't
want to be rich, you know, but I'd like to
go around and talk about it because I like to
provide a different perspective on things. That's about keeping the
wonder of the wonder alive to me, it's the mystery.
Speaker 4: You know, Bigfoot.
Speaker 10: We know he's real, but the idea of him being
real is almost exciting, is you know, it's it's just
the whole idea.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, what what what gets you? And how
did you even get interested? Bill? I don't think I
asked you that. Did you get interested because of shows
like Monster Quest? Or was it the Patterson Gimblin film
that got you interested?
Speaker 6: It was the Footprint and then it was the film
of the Gimlin Patterson film that's started at all and
it's been just relentless after that. It is a great topic.
It's it's so interesting and the more you look at it,
the weirder it gets. But now, Scott about the religious
aspect of it. And what I find interesting in this
whole thing is all of these encounters I'm talking about
take place right at this Holy Hill Church, this Basilica.
Speaker 3: Church there, Scott, and.
Speaker 6: There has been golden seen there, There's been tragic accidents,
There's been a lot of good things that have happened
to this church. Just a lot of spooky stories that
I've heard ever since I was a kid.
Speaker 3: Is the church still open and active? Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes, oh okay, all.
Speaker 3: Right, so there's still parishioners that go there. It's not
it's not abandoned or anything.
Speaker 4: Being around a church.
Speaker 10: I mean there's our bigfoots that they call the ancient ones,
and those tend to be the more guardian protector types.
And I think that if you have sasquatch around a church,
they're probably just keeping an eye on it.
Speaker 4: So you see them as cemeteries.
Speaker 10: A lot of encounters of them being spotted in cemeteries
just going down the road.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 10: It's I think they're guardians of the kind of that
liminal space between life and death to a degree.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh okay, So you have this theory, are you
also open to it? It's just uh, flesh and blood,
you know, whatever creature that's adapted to just hide and seek.
Speaker 10: Oh for sure, I would shaken any one of us
that proves our theory true.
Speaker 4: That's a win for the entire community.
Speaker 10: I'll shake the hand of anybody whose research ultimately becomes
what bigfoot is. But we still have two hundred other
cryptids so that the jurity continues.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. And now we're dealing with the government
releasing trickle feeding us disclosure on UFOs, So at least
we know that, you know, they weren't ignoring them like
they said they were, and they're they've been hinting, as
some of the journalists have been hinting, going, there's some religious,
spiritual aspect to this whole thing. And what do you
think about that, Scott? Are you kind of.
Speaker 4: Under that person? Certain?
Speaker 10: I think that they could be they could be demonic entities. Yeah,
simply based off of the pattern that they follow. I mean,
when you when you even go back to the Bible,
when they speak about UFO, is there there's always a
sinister here's the bare minimum. I'm going to let you
know that this is something weird, but I'm not going
to tell you anything beyond that. What the capacity You're
eighty thousand feet in the air and suddenly like the
tic tac ufo drops. Nothing exists from this this dimension
that has the ability to do that without falling out
of the sky. It's got to be next world technology.
Do I think the government has tech? Yes, but not
to that, you know, independent energy balls and all that
kind of stuff. Like No, they could either an advance
civilization in an adjacent or parallel dimension, or they are
maybe even possible fallen angels. But I think there's a
lot more to it than just what people think aliens
are the general public.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure it's a complex issue and God knows.
I hope, I hope we know. What do you think
Bill about all the religious aspect to this stuff and
the alien tie in? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 6: It could be demonic the alien type stuff. What I've
tried to find out is about this church area, is
what's really going on there now? I spoke to a lady,
Sheila out in Vermont about this and she said, these
creatures are coming from the ground. And and then later
on a few years ago, I watched this show called
Dead Files.
Speaker 3: On the Channel or HBO.
Speaker 6: It's all absorbed, and this was about a horse farm
that was two thousand feet from this church, and basically
they said that there's whatever these things are, they're coming
from the soil or the dirt, or from underground. I
do think that a lot of these things are coming
from underground.
Speaker 3: Underground good, that's my theory. Or Scott, what do you
think about that? I mean the underground, the caves and
all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Oh, for sure, I mean there's a so much like mass.
Speaker 10: We haven't discovered leonol Let alone the ocean subterranean though.
I mean, obviously they have found civilizations of that has
suddenly moved into the earth, you know, ten thousand years ago,
and nobody knows why. And who's to say that there
aren't still some remnant things living down there. And well,
we know the government has bases and stuff going on
down there for research and everything too, So who knows
what's a natural like grays and cohabitation or whatever, or
if it's just some sort of military experiment.
Speaker 3: And do you ever consider that there's a you know,
this whole phenomenon, all of these cryptids, all of these aliens, bigfoot,
dog men are all connected, Mothman, do you think they're
all kind of under one big umbrella of of fallen
angels or whatever?
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 6: I do?
Speaker 4: I do? I think that it changes though, because think
about it.
Speaker 10: Let's say let's say Sasquatch has powers, just for the
sake of discussion. As the bloodline, obviously there's breeding population.
As the bloodline continues.
Speaker 4: It would become diluted.
Speaker 10: We would just have essentially normal flesh and blood specimens
versus ones that have the ability to mind speak and
all that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: In all honesty, so I think that.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm sorry I had my mic off. You've brought
up mind speak? Is that anything, Bill Scott? Have you
ever experienced anything like that?
Speaker 10: I've never personally had mine speak happen to me. I'm
kind of hoping it does. That would kind of round
healthy experience as a whole. But I've talked to many
people who aren't even really Bigfoot enthusiasts who have claimed
to have mind speak and then had an encounter.
Speaker 4: So maybe some people are chosen, you know.
Speaker 3: Fascinating. I've never I experienced mind speak or some kind
of weird telepathy message that came into my head. Well,
I was driving many many years ago, back in the eighties,
in the mid eighties. I had just gotten into the television.
I had a show on television and I had it
was just like a year and a half earlier. That
was my dream, and I already I had this show
on the TV, and I had really good, talented people,
and everything was going great, and I was thinking about that,
asking myself, this seemed to all work out so easy,
you know, it just seemed to become so natural and
I heard a voice go, somebody, you'll understand, and it's
all like a man in my back seat. Literally I
could hear it, you know, like there was a dude.
I spun around to look to see if there was
some dude sitting in my back seat. And I remember
I was driving under the I hadn't been Avenue Bridge,
and I kept looking in the back seat because I
was so weirded out by it. But I've never had
that happen ever again. So it was a one time event,
and so that's that's my mind. I guess it'd be
what you'd go mine speak, right, it makes sense.
Speaker 4: We don't know what it was, but it's definitely mine speed.
Speaker 3: I keep wondering, well, what was it? You know, I
was it Monster Quest? Was that you know, because you know,
in those days I had I had a it was
like an outdoor show that I was doing. And that
outdoor show is still still on the air, which is great.
It's been going on fifty years now.
Speaker 4: That Monster Quest episode alone, Doug that won in Canada,
where I kept on attacking the cabin when they sell. Yes,
that one that alone woke up so many people to
getting interested in big big foottery and cripus Wallery.
Speaker 10: In general, your show is probably the last I would say,
real wholesome like about the subject matter out there.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of good ones, but they don't quite
hit what you did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's good. Well maybe that was what the
voice meant, you know what I mean, or maybe it
was albs and I didn't really hear it, but I'll
not tell you when you're looking in your back seat
for a man. That's how clear I heard it. And
I've always asked. I mean, I've never forgotten that that
phrase that I heard. Someday you will understand. And now
I'm old, and I guess I'm kind of you know,
you become at some point a washed up producer. Yeah,
I'm still working on twenty episodes of Legimate Science too,
still hoping for some big breakthroughs that can happen from that.
But I don't know what else would it be. I
guess cryptozoology. That was the message, and I do know
that it monster class a legitimate science definitely had an
effect on some people, a profound effect. But it's not
something you think about when you're on it, right, No,
you just you just make you make the episode. You
do the best you can. And but lately I keep
meeting new people that come to me and go that
changed my life man, And I'm like, whoa, wow.
Speaker 5: It's legend meed science.
Speaker 3: Is what got me interested really for sure.
Speaker 5: And that's it. That's the first time I thought of
it seriously, got really interested in the subject. Was was
basically like legendmed science. So that the book in the
documentary both Yeah, that.
Speaker 4: Was such a well rounded book, you know what I mean,
Like it didn't touch it's usually most books way heavy
on one side of things. That was so even keeled.
I loved it.
Speaker 5: You know, he's written by a scientist. I mean, he's
a real scientist. Alber knew he was doing.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen Legend meed Science of the the
documentary that the book is based on.
Speaker 4: I have not what.
Speaker 3: Okay, we got it. I'm sure you can think of
a player somewhere.
Speaker 4: Don't send me the great room.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no no. Will you make sure he gets
one free? Sure we'll get we'll get one out to you.
Speaker 4: Awesome, thank you. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get you legimed science. But that was that
was the doc that ran on Discovery Channel for many, many,
many years. For almost twenty years they ran that. And
the book is based on uh, the dock, and then
it goes deeper. Of course Jeff went deeper. But that
was the idea that he would write the book and
I would do the doc and and then we would
you know, try to market them together. But yeah, the
whole thing with Legended Science certainly was you know, one
of the first scientific looks at you know, at the
at the pen or the mystery and Bill, what was
the first did you? I mean you saw a monster
quest obviously at some point you saw the one episode.
Speaker 6: Oh, I saw all of them. That really changed my
life too. I mean, it's just very well, I'll put
together in always.
Speaker 3: Well it's good, that's good. Well here we all are together.
Now what can we what can we do to to
inspire more people and more young people.
Speaker 10: Maybe that's the someday you will understand, Doug bringing all
bringing all of us together into the same you know,
kind of creating a family unit in.
Speaker 4: This this field.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that could have been that could have been the
reason kind of bringing people together to the common things.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, some of the new some of the new
things that I wanted to ask for sure. You Scott,
have you ever heard any kind of of a like
a hum or, a buzz Well, you've been out in
the field. We've been collecting these recordings. Jeff can play one, sure,
and every time we do a podcast and talk about it,
more people come forward. I can tell by the look
on your face. Cut your drawn a blank, drawing a blank.
But Jeff gouladn't.
Speaker 5: Play it yet.
Speaker 3: Thirty seconds. But it's it's a weird It's just a
weird sound. It sounds like a hummingbird wings, but kind
of overdriven, almost like you're hearing infra sound on the
stuff above twenty hurts and the stuff below it here
goes yah.
Speaker 11: Yah, you're all played again. It's a crazy h.
Speaker 3: M hm.
Speaker 6: M m.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's nuts. There's and there's there's more.
Speaker 4: Sounds like a grunt to me. It almost sounds more
like a vocal a vocalization to me than like a.
Speaker 3: Well yeah yeah yeah, we're thinking that. You know, we've
been Me and David Ellis have been calling it the
humbuzz Per because we can't quite categorize it.
Speaker 4: It's definitely changed that name.
Speaker 10: You should matter of fact, you should put that on
T shirts.
Speaker 3: Humbuzz per exactly. Uh, and you know humans hum right,
we hummed our kids when they're little. I don't know
if you've got kids, Scott, but you know I didn't.
You know mothers hummed to their children to put them
to sleep. Apparently they've come out with scientific papers. There
are uh proof that it helps heal you if you
hum at boost your immune system. And so this has
been recorded by many researchers, but they always blew it off.
Speaker 5: Well here, let me so that first one I played
was from Texas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was sexist from forty Yeah. Matt Langford right
now is using the hum in his research.
Speaker 5: So just for context, this is from This is the
Snail Grove.
Speaker 3: One grove, yep. I recorded this up and Snell.
Speaker 5: This is a loop, So this is a this this
isn't it's a loop of the recording. But this is
you know, forty years apart, you know, opposite sides of
the continent. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: Is that we singing?
Speaker 3: Maybe it's kind of like a did you red? Like that? Yeah?
Throat singing. Yeah, it's all of those qualities.
Speaker 4: Like there's there's definitely like double sets of vocal cords there.
Speaker 3: It seems like it doesn't it. Yeah, I kind of
just get that sense. Obviously we haven't proven it, but
it's yeah, Carl's like, it's not a frog. U it said.
The audio is modulated between sixteen herts and eighteen point
five hurts. And then Carl had just bumped that one
up into the audible range. The first one that was
Carl SUPs recording that was recorded down in at a
ranch on a vhstape in the eighties, in the eighties.
Anybody but we've recorded We've collected now eighty five recordings. Wow,
so we kind of think it's something.
Speaker 4: Do these hums always occur in like the same similar locations, Well.
Speaker 3: They occur in relationship to bigfoot research, Yeah, all from
bigfoot research. Tristan Yelton was the first. He I'm not
sure he noticed the hum, but he played a recording
of what he believed would be a sasquatch eating food
to him and his mother had left out with a
recorder and there was this that same kind of hum
in the background, and I went, whoa, whoa, whoa, back
it up, you know, and I thought that's something, and
you know, so I kind of made a big deal
out of this tommying I heard.
Speaker 4: I wonder if they all vibrated that same hurts. Frequency
don't know.
Speaker 3: Obviously they're all going to have different body masks, you know,
Well there's if there if there's eight vooters, there's got
to be a one footer, you know. You know, they're
all different body sizes, females and versus males. Why they
do it, I don't know. But we recorded quite bit
of it up and snow a lots of it, and
I can't, for the life of me, come up with
any other animal that would do that.
Speaker 4: I haven't had anything with the buzzes or the hums
or anything, but I have had it where like my.
Speaker 10: Ears will be like I'm up in a plane. The
pressure okay, something happens.
Speaker 3: Okay, like like the air pressure drops. Yes, I've experienced
it too, and I don't know what it is. It's
creepy as hell. It's like you almost hear the whistle,
you almost hear the you know, this kind of a
it's like a dropping feeling, yeah, like you're dropping in altitude.
Speaker 10: You get dizzy for a second on some occasions too,
it's almost like a quick case of vertigo.
Speaker 3: It's weird, Bill, anything like that.
Speaker 6: Never. I've heard of it from other reports, but no,
not myself.
Speaker 3: Let's see here. Oh, I see, we've got trust in here,
he says. The first initial humnoise on my recording really
made me interested. I don't know if we have Tristan's hum.
I have some videos of his. I don't know, Tristan,
could you isolate that hum and mail it to Jeff
p at Untold Radio AM dot com. Yeah, yeah, he'll
put it, and he'll put the email if you want
to send that one and play that. But anyhow, it's
it's just one of those new things, and we don't
get often new things in bigfoot research. And the newest
things are fingerprints. By analyzing them, there should be DNA
in there, there should be chemical compounds in the surface
skin lipids, because all great apes have a different chemical formula.
So that's kind of an new thing. And then, uh,
the forensics of the fingerprints. You know, obviously we've all
seen them. I'm sure Bill, you've seen them, fingerprints on
cars from expeditions and people. I mean you could just
type in bigfoot fingerprints and find hundreds of pictures online.
It's the thing. But no, one's ever really analyzed them.
Speaker 4: And some of them are like this and you're just like.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, So I'm I'm working on analyzing all that
stuff because I think that's a new category of study.
That and obviously the different types of audios like the
HUM I think are important DNA is, but yeah, the
technology for E DNA, it's like, why do we why
work on the DNA when we have blood? We have that,
we have so many things that we can test directly for.
The morphology doesn't fit. Like a hair very different than
any other animal hair. They're very primate, very human like,
they're thinner, they have maybe less scales, but they have
human scaling. Why do E DNA when we can examine
a hair uh or or fingerprints, you know, the sloughed
off skin cells and fingerprints. So is great and I
hope somebody works on it. I like the air filter
idea of you know, putting an air filter in an
area and collecting all the body dust from all the
different animals. Think about all the bigfoot skin cells are
sloughed off and out in the or.
Speaker 10: It's a similar idea to use a mirror, like sticking
a mirror out in a known sight and then happen
like the camera face the mirror.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's been a that's been a thing because that's
how a lot of footage was gotten in Texas. And
it was funny when we were talking about it. We
had a guest on I think it was Mike Angular
and he goes, well, that's weird because I had a dream.
They had a bigfoot come to me in a dream
and said, if you want to see us, you have
to look at us through a mirror. Well that's kind
of interesting, Tommy. So one of the things, if Adam
would ever get his butt back from Colorado, We're gonna
draw up and three D print out these holders for
mears for surveillance cameras, so they could be manufactured kind
of on a real easy level and built and deployed,
because I think, yeah, I think mirrors are Why not,
what do we have to lose? Yeah, Matt goes surface
skin Olympic seebum. Yes, But Matt is using the hum
in his research, and I don't know if he's having
much luck yet. And I was supposed to edit some
more tapes that he was going to use and I
just didn't have time yet. Matt, So forgive me. I
will get at it yet this week. You will get
your tapes, so anyhow, but those are kind of the
newer things, I guess, But to me still, you know,
you guys are on a journey to get your own info,
you know, to have your own sighting, and so you've
had a sighting. But one sighting is never enough. No,
I've never seen one from the front. I've almost seen
them walking away from me or standing with their back
turned to me. I've been I've been snuffed, you know,
just like I want to see the face because to me,
without the face, it's not even hardly real.
Speaker 10: I think, like if you put a go pro camera
on your that's a great way to get a face shot,
because a lot of times they'll they'll.
Speaker 4: Pop on a cover when we walk past.
Speaker 10: Sure, I mean Scott Carpenter pretty much affected that method
and caught so much great evidence during his time.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's still though a lot of blur, you
know stuff. Nobody has really gotten the nat GEO. You know,
I hear great evidence, but man, nothing.
Speaker 10: Why though, I mean, do they do they vibrate at
a different frequency than we do, so technology naturally is distorted.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you got to remember Roger and Bob
they had a film camera spring Wind, not electrical, and
it was a film camera and it was instant on
fixed focus in an iPhone. There's a joke compared to
a sixteen millimeter camera. And yet you can still buy
film cameras. You can still get the film stock and
Walmart will still develop. That's sixteen millimeters. Aren't that expensive?
I've got like, oh, I bet I've got one hundred
and twenty hundred and fifty of them. Then I was
just buying them up because I was a collector of
film film. You know, I started buying stuff just for
a collection because it was I could get it for
dirt cheap. I could get it for five bucks, ten bucks.
You know, all these film cameras because nobody wanted them.
They didn't work, most of More Frozen, and I would,
you know, restore them. And so that would restore them
and put them on the tub. I don't know what
I'm going to do with them all, but you could
still use it as a research tool. Why not? What
do you got there? Job?
Speaker 5: This is this is a this is a three times
loop that David made of Tristan's hut.
Speaker 3: Oh Okay, this is this is what started at all. Yep,
this is yep Tristan stuff. You're that low frequency right here,
right here fw frequence.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that is something else, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 10: I wonder if I could run that through a translator,
if any of it would be picked up in any
known language or pick up any like similarities.
Speaker 3: That's all like something Richard Drivers would say.
Speaker 4: Well, there's that second compliments.
Speaker 3: I oh my god, you need to rent Jaws and
watch it.
Speaker 5: I just watched a couple of weeks ago. What a
great movie.
Speaker 3: And it's silly like K doesn't necessarily mean better, and
no it doesn't because you know, one the lenses they
put on these iPhones are great, but they're tiny, so
they're made for up close work. They're not made for
thirty forty feet away. There's just a dot, there's there's
not enough light gathering. You know, everything looks very disappointing
on a cell phone. And I'm not really familiar, i
should say, with the brand newest you know, iPhone fifty
nine that they have out or you know, the newest Android.
I'm not necessarily familiar with all those, but most of
those lenses are three point six millimeter. They're tiny, you know,
compared to a fifty millimeter lens on a film camera.
It's a big difference. So I definitely suggest people get
a film camera. In fact, one of the camera traps
that we used to sell was sixteen milimeter camera with
a that Eric turns and is find a trigger for me,
where it was like a piece of monofilament line you
ran out and it pulled a clip out if something
tripped and filmed with the sixteen millimeter film camera. And
we've had that deployed up a snow. I haven't gotten
anything yet, but that's that's the camera that Patterson used there. Yeah,
millimeter What was the main lens on the turret? What
I say, don't recall. It looks like thirty millimeter Maybe
I can't recall, but it's ten times better than a
three point six twenty five he used twenty five? Well,
that's still a lot.
Speaker 5: And that camera has you can swap different lenses in it.
But it's believed that he used the twenty five millimeter.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good idea. Take the old equipment out
for a new research.
Speaker 3: Why not because it's instant on so you can just
it's going I see a bigfoot and I'm walking with
my phone. I'm gonna get my phone out start, you know,
scrolling through to get to the phone thing and or
the video setting and hit that and then I got
a pick video. By then it's gone. But an instant
on film, camera pull, pull the trigger, you're shooting, and
Roger had practiced, you know. And of course now people
are calling that fake.
Speaker 10: I'm like, okay, somebody every few years the.
Speaker 3: Video, yeah, because you know, the only way you're gonna
prove the Patterson's fake is to duplicate it, even with
modern materials. Do that show me and I'd consider it.
But even with modern materials, they can't duplicate it. You know,
if you see a real animal, right, you see a
real bit in a movie, you know it's a real bear.
You see a cgi bear in a movie like the
Revenant where the bear, this animated bear is attacking DiCaprio
in this movie, if you and you know instantly it's
a it's animated. And if it's a guy in a
bear costume, you know for sure you cannot fake reality.
You can't fake a you cannot fake a real tire.
Yet you can say you can, but you know the
AI you can't. There's still is subtle difference as you
eye spots it. But when you see the Patterson Gimlan film,
the brain instantly, within a split second, goes it's a
real animal.
Speaker 10: Even though it's the seat, it's the mid tarcel break,
and you cannot mimic that kind of perfection with no arts,
you know what I mean, nobody, Most people don't have
that kind of size to even become close to Patty,
to even pull that off.
Speaker 3: Well, it's you get to realize, though, Scott, it's everything.
It's the hair, It's the way the light hits the hair.
It's the muscles, it's the stride, it's the weight you
know when it when it steps down in the and
it vibrates. It's everything. It's millions of data points, maybe
trillions of data points that are brain picks up that goes.
Speaker 10: People say there's more than one specimen in the Patti
film too, Well, you talk about that. I hear that
talked about a little bit. I'm like, I don't need it,
but it's still pretty cool, you know.
Speaker 3: I think I think Patty was protecting or leading away
those guys from a family or or a juvenile. I
think that's a very real possibility. Just like in the
Freeman footage. I think that they'll show themselves out in
the open and it's like, hey, follow me. They'll do
that to protect a young one. I don't think they
step out into the open like that in front of
two people and then instead of just going into the
forest to kind of lead them away. So I don't know,
but generally, when you see a real animal, it's a
it's a trillion points of data that your brain goes.
It's real. So I mean, don't you don't you guys
agree when you you look at a bear video, you
know it's a live bear, it's not a guy in
a bear suit. And you could try to pinpoint why,
but you don't need to explain it. Your brain is noah.
So anyhow, oh man, where where should we take this conversation?
What time is it? Now? We got plenty of time.
Where should we take this conversation? What would you like
to talk about? Scott and Bilton?
Speaker 10: Honestly, I'd like Doug just personally. I'd like to know
what you think Bigfoot is.
Speaker 4: Oh crap, Oh did I open up a can of
worms on this?
Speaker 3: Not at all. I don't know. That's the old crap.
I don't oh. I've been doing research since since the
nineties on this topic in a very very heavy way,
in a very full time way, and I don't have
I have less answers now than I did back then.
Back then it was more pure, you know. It's just
a creature that lived in the forest, and there weren't
many of them. They were rare. And that was my
conclusion back in like nineteen ninety one, That's what I thought.
I had an experience many years earlier, earlier with audio
and a smell. I was on a deer stand and
I heard before the sun came up, or right as
it was coming up, I heard chest beating and it
was definitely from a big animal. And it wasn't grouse.
You know, I was a grouse hunter. It wasn't grouse drumming,
grouse drumming. I was like always one pound. This sounded
like it weighed a thousand pounds. And then I got
hit with a stink. Great, you know, I'm a little
freaked out. I don't know what it is. And then
when we went all back to camp to meet at
for noon for lunch, everybody in the party had the
same experience. This thing had gone to each deerstand quarter
mile or a half mile away from each other and
put on this show of chest beating and stinking them out. Wow. Yeah,
and that was really interesting. And then I put it
out of my head. That was the end of it.
Nothing else happened. It was one time when I was
a kid, I heard a scream in the woods that
was very very loud. I suppose it could have been
a fox maybe, but it sounded like a thousand pound fox.
And that was kind of hit until I was up
in the Arctic and found footprints. They were crystal clear,
you know, with beautiful beach sand, wet damp beach sand,
and then up into the tundra and the pee gravel.
And then when the footprint was in front of a
tree trunk, and then there was another footprint directly behind
that tree trunk, and I knew that it had stepped
over that tree, over the top of the tree, you know, sapling.
But up there they're stunted. That might have been one
hundred year old tree, but it was very very stunted
and maybe only had like a three inch diameter to
the trunk, but it was still, you know, six foot tall,
the tree seven foot and it stepped over the tree
the only way you could put a footprint behind it
and exactly one exactly in a straight line in front
of it. And that's when like the guy that was
right up my side goes, we need to leave now
because he hit him too, and he's like, holy crap.
So that was my that was my thing. I couldn't
shake right because there were too many footprints all the
way you could. And then we went out beyond that
standard trees and they're off in the horizon. You could
see hundreds and hundreds of footprints going off into the tundra.
Though it was definitely real.
Speaker 5: It's interesting though, I'm I'm less certain now than I
used to be as well. I the longest time I was,
I was really committed to the gigantipithecus theory. Now I'm like,
it doesn't explain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we just have more choices nowadays, Right, nobody talks
a reasonable one, right.
Speaker 5: One of there's there's others that are not that are
just so plausible that one's plausible. Yeah, I'm kind of
I've grown to believe that they're way closer to humans
than that I think they're so close to human. They're
just a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of percentage from us.
They're almost human.
Speaker 3: I've had so many DNA tests done and they come
back and they're always human contamination, human Contamn. If I
hear that one more time. I did a show with
Scott Walter and we did a I gave him a
hair from the Freeman creature that Paul Freeman had collected,
and they tested that and he came back kind of like,
oh yeah, I got Doug. You know, this is a
gotcha moment because it's going to be human. And Scott
reads the paper on you know, the the DNA report
in front of you know, all the world audience, and
he's like, well, I got bad news. That's just a
human hair. And I'm like, well, I expected it to
come back human. And it wasn't a human hair. It
we've never been cut, had no madala in it, it
had a tapered worn end, it had human scaling. It
certainly was not anything other than from a primate. And
I expected it to come back human because how deep
did they go with that DNA test? But he thought
it was a big gotcha and I was happy. I
was like, that's exactly what I expected it would come
back as well.
Speaker 5: Just think of the range of known humans. I mean,
there's people that if you just just normal every day
modern human beings, you see him side by side, it's
hard to believe in the same species.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, of course, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean. So I just I just think
it's a little bit further out on the spectrum.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, we it's it's hard to believe that a
guy who's one of these huge basketball players, I can't
think Michael Jordan or whoever. Then compare that to an
actor who maybe experienced dwarphism. You know, it's like that's
night and day. Yeah, radically different, and we're still the
same species. So yeah, we are.
Speaker 5: That's kind of that's my most current thinking is that
it's just a little bit further out on the spectrum.
Speaker 3: No, Matt, he said, we have a ton of unverified crap.
Speaker 5: Yes, we do unverified.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is all unverified. Every one of our theories
is unverified. Yep.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we uh were humble. We know we know that
we don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh somebody you would say, Dane goes leave Hell, no
w test here when we have blood, Yes, and we do.
We've got blood samples that were collected very very fresh, frozen,
collected properly, and we're waiting for test back on that.
And I have a feeling that if they don't go
real deep, it's you're gonna go, oh, it's human blood.
Well sure, but they were found in seventeen inch footprints
on the left foot. It's probably not a human, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 4: And those are what eight inches wide?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's just yeah, you can you can
say it's human all day long, but that's gonna then
warrant it to go very deep. We need to go
very deep with the the DNA to try to get
the full genome and see what stands out. I mean,
it might be just just what what if there's no
differences because you take somebody with it, like hypertricknosis isn't
what's it called? You know, the disease that you get
covered with hair, hyper trick tricknosis?
Speaker 4: I think that's that's what it is.
Speaker 3: I think. So anyhow, there's no DNA difference. I did
a DNA test on those guys and there's none. Zero.
Speaker 10: I get here, here's my thing. Take a bigfoot. What
happens when you remove the hair. You have a primitive human.
We're looking at cro Magnan's, We're looking at you know,
Dina Sovin's.
Speaker 3: That guy's gonna that guy's gonna be able to walk
into any store and just be accepted as a big dude.
He might look Native American, he might look you know
what I mean, he might have a little bit of
my cheekbones. But other than that, I don't think anybody
would stare even so like, oh that was a big guy.
Speaker 10: That's why I thought, maybe the hair is an environmental adaptation,
like you know, over the years to adapt to the
climate change.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think that's reasonable, but just an environmental change?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely, It's just fascinating. The whole subject is
just fascinating.
Speaker 3: And I feel, look at Jeff, he's changing to his environment.
He's growing a beard. Yeah, there he goes. But no,
he easily could be that. I mean, it wouldn't take
I don't think evolution takes that long to make those
kind of little changes. You know.
Speaker 5: That adaptation, adaptation can take place in one generation.
Speaker 3: I mean there's humans that are really hairy, Like there's
regular dudes that don't even have hypertricknolysis or whatever the
hell that diseases I can't even think of it. That
are just really hairy. You know, we've all seen them
at the beach going, what the hell.
Speaker 4: What the what's the what is the razor budget in
that household?
Speaker 3: You know exactly, And I don't hyper hyper tricks. There
we go, Oh yeah, yeah, tricknosis. Sorry, I haven't thought
about that. But we did a Monster Quest episode, and
you know, I was curious that. I was really excited
about it because I wanted to do strength tests for
their weight because they were amazing gymnasts and it was
almost like a recidivism the gene that makes them here.
He could be not a disease, but more of a disease,
a gene that was just kind of dormant. Just like
a lot of humans are born every year with tales.
You don't hear about it, but there's a lot of
people born with tails. Did you know that, Scott? Look
it up. I think it's like one out of ten
thousand births. I have a tail.
Speaker 4: I would have a much better wardrobe if I had
a tail.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go, Well you don't have a tail.
Speaker 4: Deal, he's not talking. I can tell he's not talking.
Speaker 3: He's laughing because he's like, maybe I have a tail. No,
you don't have a tail, Bill any I just it's
one of those It's one of those genes that maybe
just even autism could be just a cert Bible gene.
Speaker 4: Speaking of autism, I had a clip somebody had uploaded
to the Untold Radio network where I talked about my
theories of sasquatch possibly having autistic or being on the
spectrum traits. And that's how I found your show. And
that thing got like one.
Speaker 10: Hundred and ninety six thousand views just sharing that, and
I was like, we need to talk to Doug.
Speaker 4: This is pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I've witnessed it myself, autistic behavior. The
first time I really really witnessed it was at a
cabin way off the beaten path. It was uh about
eleven miles down a logging road and it was bright
bordered on the Bounty Waters Canoe area, right, and so
we rented it and middle of the night, I hear
the lid of the glass. There was a recycling bin,
one for tint cans and one for glass on the
orch and I hear the lid the you have the
lid just pop open its spring do you have to
push down? It pops open over and over and over again,
and then it goes over and opens the lid on
the can one with the aluminum cans in it, over
and over like we're talking ten times on both and
then walked down played with the velcrow on a dodger
ram on the velcro tanu cover, and then walked back
up and did the glass one again, and did the
other one over and over and over, and that preluded
the wall attack that I mentioned. That's fell like a
semi truck hit it, and I regretted. Of course, my daughter,
bless her heart, had made me tape up a blanket
with duct tape, with great duct tape the blanket over
this open window that had no shade, because you know,
there's nobody lives out there. It's in the middle of
the forest, so why would you need curtains. Well, she
wanted curtains because we had heard a bigfoot scream that
afternoon while we were unpacking into the into the bringing
our gear into the cabin. We all heard this massive
scream right by us. And so she's like, Dad, she's
see that window. You're gonna put a blanket over that window,
and I'm like, okay, yeah, we'll find one, and.
Speaker 4: You can't gonna stop it from coming in.
Speaker 3: Well, but she didn't want to see. She didn't want
to see, and that thing was right by that window
numerous times when it was doing those things. And so
I'm like, okay, do I peel that tape away? And
and you know, I got my daughter with me and
scare this thing and then it puts its hand through
the window like in the legend of Boggy Creek? Or
do I just let sleeping dogs lie and hope it'll
go away? And so I didn't do anything. I didn't look.
I've missed numerous opportunities. Why know, I've had a big
foot right next to me out a window and just
either too afraid to look or or too smart to look.
One of the two. Bell Okay, So Belle, let me
throw this at you. You're in a cabin. You know
there's a bigfoot out there. There's a curtain. You can
just pull it open and you know it's right there.
Are you doing it or are you just going to
let it? Yes? Or no?
Speaker 4: For sure?
Speaker 6: I'm looking at it for sure?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, I couldn't live with myself that well.
Speaker 3: See, I can't live with myself. That's why I need
to go see a psychiatrist now, because I'm fast, have two, three,
four opportunities to just open the window and look. But
when you're but when you're in that situation, you're also thinking, well,
if I move the curtain, what if it sees that
and then it gets po Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 10: It's used to that pattern. And now suddenly and now
I can't see in the window.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, I look in them more
face to face. Do you think that's gonna go over? Well?
In face to face with a with a bigfoot like
two inches away from.
Speaker 4: Each other, maybe telling me sounds like Richard Dreyfus.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I could do that and I would sue them.
Oh my god. Not only do you sound like Richard,
you're I think you act like him.
Speaker 4: Dude, Scott, we can do a range of meeting. I
must confirm, yes, is he still around? I think so.
I don't.
Speaker 10: Obviously he's not his mainstream anymore, but he's still here.
Speaker 6: He is.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, I'll get you his number. You can call him.
Speaker 4: Now we're talking both encounters of the oh fifth kind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, am I the only one in? Okay? In chat?
Do you think Scott sounds like Richard when he was young? Yes?
Or no? To say yes, Jeff, do you think he does?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I didn't until you said something, but yeah, I
can hear that for sure.
Speaker 4: I didn't until you you brought it to my attention.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, mister Robbinson says, yes, we got one. Yes,
it's too no, so there you go. Oh, another one, yes,
another one, yes, confirmation he is Richard in disguised. Yes,
there you go.
Speaker 4: Good lord, it's unanimous.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, there's I think a lot more people with
the other still coming in. Another one from Kenny.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was taking more of Burt Reynolds, but that's fine.
Speaker 3: No, No, it's not Burt, it's Richard.
Speaker 4: Even better.
Speaker 3: No, I'd say it's like exact. It's kind of freaky,
actually a freaking me out.
Speaker 4: Yes, whole other episode on that.
Speaker 3: Bruce Brown says, yes, he is a.
Speaker 4: Son that the man that myth, the legend, the.
Speaker 3: Coolest Bigfoot story from Michigan. I'm not sure what he means.
Is there a cool the coolest big Oh he wants
to hear the coolest bigfoot story from Michigan, Scott.
Speaker 4: Like the personal, like a personal line.
Speaker 3: No, it could be just one you've heard.
Speaker 10: The best bigfoot one that I heard in Michigan was
it flipping someone's canoe on the Assable River back in
the seventies.
Speaker 4: This wasn't one that was documented in the BFRO.
Speaker 10: This is where you're going to the local coffee shop
and the old timers that have lived there forever talk
about it that sort of thing.
Speaker 4: And he had just said that there was a bunch.
Speaker 10: Of drunk kids or something going through an area where
Sasquatch are known do an habit, and the Tasquatch shouldn't
like it, and it got in the water and they heard.
Speaker 4: Something swim up by I did when they just saw like.
Speaker 10: These hairy arms just push the canoe over, and I'm like,
I could see it happening. Like I said, that's just
kind of like one of those stories, ones that the
old timers will talk about. But yes, myle Michigan is
very much a Sasquatch hotspot, so nothing like that would
surprise me. There's a lot of untamed backwaters and stuff
out there.
Speaker 3: That was kind of a short story Scott.
Speaker 4: That's all. That's all I heard.
Speaker 6: You wonder why they do that though? Are they making
too much noise drinking beer?
Speaker 4: You know, That's what I'm guessing.
Speaker 10: I mean, because the Sado River in the in the
summertime is a massive tourist attraction for northern Michigan. So
naturally you're gonna get your people who want to relax
and just tube on the river, and you're gonna get
your people that want to party on and I think
that it even gets to be too much for the animals,
you know, Sasquatch especially, you know, the alpha males out
there are gonna definitely get upset at something like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, any other stories you've heard you guys, Bill, do
you have a story you want to a favorite bigfoot
encounter story? Doesn't that have to be yours? Just when
you've heard that sticks with you and haunt you.
Speaker 6: It's got to be the one over by Holy Hill
there and the dog man encounter there. Those are the
two big ones I've heard so many, I just can't
think of any other ones. Usually when I'm listening to
these reports on YouTube or whatever, very seldom do I
hear any from Wisconsin.
Speaker 5: So we've heard quite a few stories from Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: Wisconsin's got the Beast of Ray Road. They got a
big one out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's about fifty miles from this church and kind
of halfway in the middle between where I live. But
I know I used to drive down to Oklahoma a
lot and they really I know, you haven't had the
guy on that read through Cryptid and I've hurt so
many encounters down there in Oklahoma and Michigan too. I
mean they're everywhere. Illinois is like fourth on the bfr
O for the moment report, but they're really everywhere.
Speaker 10: I guess, and if you go by documented reports, I
mean that's just documented. How many people just don't want
the ridicule that comes with reporting what they see and
what they hear, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, here's a good question from Kristen. What does Scott
and Bill think of dog Man?
Speaker 4: Dog Man is definitely out here. I have zero dells.
Speaker 10: I don't dabble with dog Man too much as far
as actively getting in the field, but I do research
that more like from a historical perspective, and I mean
the first dog Man siting here goes back to eighteen
eighty seven in Wexford, County. The only reason that the
attention was even brought to dog Man was because Steve Cook,
a DJ in Traverse City, had wrote a song for
Halloween about this dog man, and they called in and
people started calling him with their reports, and he was
just made He just wrote it as a as a joke,
and ever since then it's taken off. I couldn't tell
you what it is. It seems more engineered to me
than anything else, because they seem to be more on
a programmed sort of behavior sasquatch is more capable of
intelligent decision making. So I really don't know what they
are to be able to tell you. I have one
that I caught a picture of during a big foot hunt,
but even looking at it, it's like, why is there
a nine foot dog on two back legs standing up?
You know, I don't know where to go to further
my research on dog Man. It's a lot of that
ends with it.
Speaker 3: I don't know where they fit in. But boy, I've
sure met a lot of witnesses. I gave lot of
detecture tests to a bunch of them, and I think
they all passed. One was just inconclusive, but they all passed.
Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on dog Man?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's just like a pretty recent thing that's come up
in the last one thirty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's reason to you, Bill, relative the hell.
Speaker 6: Relatively, he said, But it seems like they're just coming
out of the woodwork. The reports from the encounters and
everywhere Ohio, Michigan.
Speaker 5: It does seem like that's on the rise. I I
just wasn't very interested in dog Man, but boy, we've
had some credible stories, really really credible story a discount.
Speaker 3: Do you do you want to see a dog man? Scott, Absolutely,
you don't.
Speaker 4: I'll be sure to bring the begging strips along and
we'll see what happens.
Speaker 3: Bill, Do you want to see it? Sure?
Speaker 10: I mean, if we're out here, we already know the
risks associated with looking for these things, So I mean,
whatever comes with it. As a researcher, that's just part
of the territory. We can only take take you know,
take our precautions the best we can. But if it's
your time, it's your time, you know, That's how I
look at it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree that though, when you're straight out of
your mind in the woods, but I'm.
Speaker 4: Not get it out of here anyway.
Speaker 10: So yeah, Well, the scariest encounter to the ones where
you don't even see what's terrifying you. You know what,
they're playing the mind games, just out of sight late
at night, you know, paralleling you, throwing sticks, just enough
to let you know that you're not the old they
went out here.
Speaker 4: That sort of thing.
Speaker 5: Definitely, So what's this squatch?
Speaker 3: Mama goes and there's a legendary spotted cow appearing everywhere.
Speaker 5: She's talking about, you know about the beer, spotted Beer's.
Speaker 3: I have a case of ANIMI refrigerator good stuff.
Speaker 5: You got to go to Wisconsin to get it.
Speaker 3: You can't get it. Guy brought me a case of
it and it's been at the condo in the fridge
all the stiff and me and Eric had one each.
Good stuff. Me and Eric had you just spotted cow
and it was good. And it's still sitting there and
Jeff's got your name on it.
Speaker 5: I have to commit it pretty soon.
Speaker 4: Bill's going to stock up on him for us.
Speaker 3: I can do that.
Speaker 6: I can.
Speaker 3: See.
Speaker 5: I'm not stupid.
Speaker 3: I new spotted cow. Yeah. The whole cryptid mystery, Yeah,
isn't going away. That's what I tell people. It's it's
being fueled constantly. The dog Man sightings are fueled, Bigfoot
sightings are fueled all the time. But yet I know
we're not getting Unicorn reports, We're not getting all sorts
of you know, reports of other mythical things. But we
are dog Man and Bigfoot, So then they're not going
to go away. It was the last thing we took
a unicorn report. Never.
Speaker 4: I'll be right back. I gotta go get that notebook
out of my drawer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shut up.
Speaker 5: The unicorn notebook.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's even sparkly covered. It could just stay in character.
Speaker 3: But that's my argument. You know, it's like the Bigfoot
is just fueled, like every day. I often wonder how
many real sightings happen every day. I'm sure it's in
the hundreds and.
Speaker 10: Hundreds I think is the US population alone of Bigfoot. Oh,
at least you guys can share however you think are here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least four or five thousand, it's my guest
at least it would be. That would be the minimum
four to five thousand, and from there. I wouldn't be
shocked if somebody said, if somebody told me eighty thousand,
I would go Okay, there we go, there's the news. Yeah,
I have that exact case in my in my refrigerator
and there's two beers missing on it. It's been there
for two months. It's so if you get through Wisconsin,
bring me a case of spoty go because some some
year that one's going to be gone. I don't know when.
What the hell are we talking about? I don't even know. Oh? Oh, population, Yeah,
I see like here Bruce is around two hundred thousand. Oh.
He can absolutely be right though, because.
Speaker 4: I think that's reasonable. I mean I do how many
how many babies do they have at a time, how
rapidly do they grow?
Speaker 3: I mean we're talking to fat North American, right, Yeah,
it's a big area. But how many black bears do
we have Minnesota? You know, twenty thousand about But I
think populations have been as I as thirty eight thousand
black bears in Minnesota. But do I think that's the
real number. No, I think there's fifty thousand black bears
in Minnesota. I think the numbers we're hearing are complete bs. Well,
the cougars, I'll bet you we have ten thousand cougars
in Minnesota. Yeah, I've seen two of them.
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, also, I don't think is on
top of the right now.
Speaker 3: There are just still bs. I know, we have way
more cougars, you know, in the area.
Speaker 5: They still say we don't have any. I mean, up
until very recently they were still that we didn't have any.
Speaker 3: I have gone to towns, whole towns, and just invited
like the whole town to come to be interviewed for
whatever reason, and I'll say, have you ever seen this
a bear? No? Seen a bigfoot? Yes? Next you ever
seen a bear? No bigfoot? Yes? You know what I mean.
Even in the town of Cougar in Washington, I interviewed,
I think the entire town, nobody had ever seen a cougar.
Everybody had seen a bigfoot at one time or another
in the town of Cougar, but nobody had ever seen
a cougar. No one person in the town said, yeah,
I've seen a cougar. Everybody had seen a bigfoot at
one time or another. So there you go, and that's
kind of shocking information. I think.
Speaker 4: Now I got a question, of course I do, right,
How could.
Speaker 3: I not have another? Well, Richard would yes, Richard, go ahead,
all right.
Speaker 10: Let's just for the sake of discussion. These things are
of supernatural origin, completely change.
Speaker 5: The entire.
Speaker 3: Richard. I love the way you frame stuff. Really, it's
a very healthy way. You really do a good job there,
you know. And I do want to compliment you on
that for sure. The Richards stuff's not really a compliment
you think it is that, but the way, but the
way you frame things is because I like the way
you do it. You you do it in a very
you know, uh open way. You're not throwing you're not
pushing theories on people, You're not saying you're right. You
just like to entertain. So go ahead and ask your question.
I'm sorry you've interrupted you to compliment you, ever redite.
Speaker 10: If these things are all supernatural, does that change the
course of the research game. I mean, if we take
them as fund and blood, it stays pretty much where
we're at with it now, I think. But if we
throw in supernatural now origin changes timeline might change.
Speaker 4: I mean, it would might throw a monkey wrench in
things a bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how would it change? And I guess we would
have to use different tools. We'd have to use things
like trimeters.
Speaker 5: And you know, uh.
Speaker 3: Geiger counters and you know, RF meters and all that
kind of crap. We'd be trying to get EVPs and
you know, basically the same stuff they use for ghosts,
because there's really not a lot new in that front.
I don't I don't follow ghost shows. I don't know.
Maybe there is some new stuff, mirrors, I mean, this
would be a lot of new things that you'd have
to try, and you could be absolutely right. I've I've
witnessed so many things that just kind of make you
scratch your head going home. What and you know, we've
had other things that we've seen. I was driving back
with Yvette down thirty five W a regular big freeway
coming through Moose Lake. We saw something just drop down
out of the sky on a clear night and it
just headed for my windshield. And as it got closer,
we both described what something that had wings that were
as wide as the freeway looked humanoid, and it swooped
at my car for a purpose to scare the living
crap out of it out of us. You know, she
ducked and I eventually ducked too. We thought it was
coming through the windshield. What was that?
Speaker 4: Where does that come from?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 4: Where?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 4: Way? Human noise?
Speaker 10: I mean, come on, now I can't even find a
starting point, let alone a place to start everything wrong
and that.
Speaker 3: Haunts us, Scott, It really does. It haunts us because
we know always saw, but yet it doesn't fit in
any flesh and blood category. It doesn't fit with deer
and bears or even bigfoot. It's just way out there.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: That was the hardest part for me, was like, I
see you right there, but you're not supposed to be real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 10: Trying to process that at first is like, Okay, now,
has everything I've ever been taught a lie at this point?
Speaker 4: But to a degree, I think we're at a point
where that's a yes.
Speaker 5: But Shelley has made a great comment. That's that's relevant too,
is I You know, if I see something like that,
my first instinct would be the question, doubt myself? You know,
I would question myself first. That's what shell Well you
do when you have a witness with you.
Speaker 3: If I would have been alone, for sure, I would have.
But with a witness and the kind of trauma that
we both went through, Nope, we didn't question it, and
I don't. What I do question is what was it?
Was it as big as we perceived it? What was
its purpose? Was it an illusion that we both saw,
you know, some kind of a not a hologram, but
like I don't know, I don't even know what to
put it. Just some kind of a spiritual experience. Or
was it just at that time a flesh and blood creature?
But it dived in my car, no other purpose. It
must have tried to scare us. But I found other
people that thing had done the same thing too. Write
in Minnesota, right.
Speaker 10: Every state seems to have kind of its own thing
and its own sort of an sort of style of encounters.
Speaker 3: I guess, Yeah, but where do I put that? I
don't know. It's still hanging out there. I don't know,
it's sitting on my desk. That experience. I don't know
what to do with it.
Speaker 4: Does it wing humanually classify as a cryptid?
Speaker 3: I wouldn't classify it as a CRYPTI I'd classify it more.
Speaker 4: As an alienrestrial life and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it had okay, it had wings, but
they were outstretched and dropped straight down, so that defied physics.
Speaker 12: Like the thing basically yeah, exactly exactly what it looked like,
but it dropped straight down with open wings and then
had it at a right angle and added for my
windshield without flapping its wings.
Speaker 3: So man, yeah, it was scary to this day. I
mean it's affected event in a great way. Like if
we got to drive in the woods that night, it main'thattening.
Speaker 5: Not knowing back to what Doug said about but Scott,
the way you framed that question, and that's just this
is a little bit of a tangent. But that's why
we really a brace the unverified crap because we're not
My identity is not attached to anyone theory. Neither is Dougs.
I find out that you know what, this is one
hundred percent supernatural. Okay, it's not gonna it's not gonna
hurt my reputation, it's not gonna hurt my feelings. I'm
not going to feel stupid.
Speaker 3: I just it is what it is.
Speaker 5: So we're extremely open minded and I don't know. If
we just listen to people, talk to them, we hear
some interesting stories. Some are really credible, lots of lots
of I should say, I should say lots are really credible. Yeah,
but that's that's I agree with Doug. I like to
use frame that question because we don't know.
Speaker 3: We don't know. Well, like Trisians asking did you think
it was? I don't know, and had like leathery, shiny
skin to it didn't have feathers. I thought monthman was
covered with some kind of feathers. It looked more like
a bat, a humanoid with bowings. But I'm not alone.
I mean I found tons of people that saw the
same thing. It's going on in Chicago right now. Lon
Strickler has been collecting tons of reports of the same
exact creature all around the O'Hare airport. You know, even
baggage handlers are seeing it. The scary part is, though,
that thing swooped out of the sky really quick, and
could you imagine walking alone along that same stretch of highway?
Would you be here anymore? Or would you become a
missing person? Or was it intention only to scare us?
Or was his intention was only to say hello?
Speaker 4: Because how I had first?
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. Isn't Richard getting witty as the night goes on?
He just keeps getting wittier and wittier. Well, you're welcome. Yes,
I just know that there could be a million reasons
why I swooped him here. But here's what happened. I
called my agent and I said, you remember that Mothman show.
You wanted me to do un Monster Quest and I
refused to do it because there was no physical evidence,
I said, And I told my agent when we in
e Vetsa, and I said, I'll do it. So I
agreed to do that episode only because I at that
point didn't think they were bs anymore. So I did
the show and found other witnesses. I was surprised so
many witnesses I found, including uh a father and son
literally due south where we saw ours, had it swoop
at their car. The only difference is they pulled over
and were throwing up. They got sick. Nice hand by
the way, bell, that was nice word. Yeah. The whole
world now is senior callouses.
Speaker 6: Fingerprints, Yeah, your fingerprints.
Speaker 3: All the stuff like this happens in live, live shows.
We love it.
Speaker 4: Andyhow what was your favorite episode.
Speaker 3: Of Oh, I don't know, I don't really have one.
The one that was done after I got them done.
There there was so much work and then you get
them done and that was my favorite. Yeah.
Speaker 4: That was so basically all of them after they were completely.
Speaker 3: After they were complete, they were all my favorite. I
loved them all and they all, you know, the ones
that were the least were things like that that I
felt I was bullied into making. Were things like chimps attacking,
you know, killer chimps and shows like that that I
that were non crypto zoology related. The squid I enjoyed.
And the shark, you know, the shark thing I enjoyed
because we had a chance to do a lot of
you know, cool exploring and we ended up filming a
you know, like the first Greenland shark and fresh water
and the Saint Lawrence way upstream almost in Illinois, right
above Illinois. That was cool anytime we could do that.
But they were all great, except the ones that I
didn't want to do, which were the jump even the
bear one I didn't really want to do because I
don't think of bears as monsters, you know.
Speaker 10: I'll tell you what was scared the hell out of
me was the huge gators and the sewer one possibility.
Speaker 3: Yeah that was okay, Yeah, probably that wasn't my favorite one. Yeah,
but my brother, my brother used to tell me there's
gaters in the sewer and he would tell me these
stories when I was a kid, the alligators that would
turn white and they'd live in the sewers because I
was a sewer explorer when I was a kid. We
would go into the sewer and the now that you know,
in the fresh water, the drainage sewers, which were quite big,
and I had maps of the entire area, and I
went definitely subterranean, and I would introduce my friends to
this subterranean world the door. I never saw anything weird
in those sewers, but man, we could trigger it around
secretly and in the wintertime, the water would freeze and
you could propel yourself to these tunnels, you know, really
quick because it was smooth glare ice because there's no wind.
When the ice would freeze, it would be just super nice.
The coefficient would be solow. You could just poosh. You
could travel really fast in the wintertime in these sewers.
And yeah, I think about it now, I would never
even go down in one, but yeah, we that was
kind of a big thing for us, the sewers. And
the more the more I think about it, the more
I have neighbors. Yeah, why would I do that? Why
would I do that? Okay, any questions for these these guys,
Bill you can just butt in, you know, you can
just start teasing Scott on might behalf if you want.
Speaker 4: That needs to be half, so you're you're home free.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have any teasing you like to give Scott?
Speaker 6: Well, we want to maybe hear something from Jaws from Dreyfus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Do you don't e the lines?
Speaker 10: I don't right off not off hand. It's been probably
thirty years since I watched Jaws.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need to watch it again, and you need
to repeat every line. Now, I'm telling your voice is
like exacted a voice, and your smile I'm so swear
to god. Yeah, I got to think you guys are
freaking related.
Speaker 4: I mean, it wouldn't be all bad. No, no, it'd
be an interesting dude to talk to.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yes, yeah, super he was. He was definitely,
I thought, one of the one of the best actors
out there. And he did Close Encounters too, right, Yeah, yeah,
it was great in that movie.
Speaker 10: That was one of my favorite extraterrestrial contact movies of
all time because I really think he did a great
job of getting a lot of the details down of
what a lot of the victims of abduction and stuff.
Speaker 4: Okay, so now it really was on that to a degree.
Speaker 3: Right, But let's talk about the new one. The Disclosure movie.
I went and saw that was all pumped up, and
it was the biggest pile of steaming crap I had
ever seen in my life for a film. It was
basically two hours of a chase scene with a guy
with a thumb drive.
Speaker 4: Really he us watch the boring identity.
Speaker 3: It was two hours of not only the chasings, but
not even good chase scenes of a guy with a
fancy thumb drive that had all the alien disclosure crap,
and one scene of a newscaster who kind of acted
like an alien.
Speaker 6: That was it.
Speaker 3: That was. They missed the entire boat on that whole movie.
Speaker 4: And anything good that they captured nothing zero.
Speaker 3: I'd give that movie a negative twenty out out of
you know, if you had a rating of ten, it
would be a negative twenty. It was that bad, especially
that movie, especially when you consider who did it right
in the great movies he did once. Yeah, I don't
know who talked him into a two hour chase scene.
But if you like that movie, I'm sorry, then you
liked the Marvel movies too. You know, it's just constant
crazy cars blowing up and crap like that. And this
is not me. I like stories. I'm a story guy,
and there was no story in the movie. They couldn't
even get Oh my god, and their government agents pictures
like a whole bunch of government agents one scene and
the guy's hiding with his Girlve and behind us Dick
Trea Sapling, And I'm thinking, then the government agents are
like twenty feet away, and I'm thinking, this is like
the biggest pile of garbage movie I've ever seen.
Speaker 4: Just like seventy percent of the shootouts and the TV
shows and the movies, like, you.
Speaker 10: Guys are unloading full magazines at like fifteen feet nobody's
connecting with any of exactly.
Speaker 4: It's like, are you serious right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, needless to say, I thought it was horrible. Yeah,
so I'd give it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just about Signs. I thought Signs was fantastic.
Speaker 3: Signs was one of my favorite movies. This is a
great story. That was an m Night Charloman movie, and
that was I'm not how slow it was a slow burn.
It was a great movie. The genius of the scene
with the mirror or the knife reflection looking at the
alien and seeing that that was brilliant. It really was,
And it wasn't it wasn't really high budget, but the
whole story was great. It was fun, it was entertaining,
a comedy in it, and it was some real serious drama. Yeah. No,
it was a great movie. I'd give that ten out
of ten signs. There were other movies that I liked
on the topic, not many. I thought The Fire in
the Sky was a good movie with.
Speaker 4: Travis Walton was yeah, based on.
Speaker 3: Travis Walton with DV. Sweeney is the actor.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: It's funny because I became I became friends with dB
Sweeney and oh no, no, TB. Sweety he played he
played Travis in the movie, and because he narrated my
series Mysterious Encounters, and he was so great. He was
so cool to work with because he you could call
him up in the middle of the night and he'd
pick up, but he'd get to a studio if I
needed something at the studio, never bitched. He was awesome
to work with. DV. Sweeney. And then I became friends
with another actor in the movie. I met him buying
a car, which is a long story, but anyhow, we
became good friends. I ended up meeting two of the
guys that were in that movie, and you know, ended
up actually kind of hanging out with these guys, so
it's fun. That was a great movie. Fire in the Guy,
I love it. You haven't seen that?
Speaker 4: The Fourth Kind?
Speaker 10: I really liked the Fourth kind too, where all the
abductions are taking place in Noam, Alaska.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, that was just creepy. Yeah that was good.
I mean, for what they spent in the movie, it
was a little disappointing. I expected a little more at
the end, but it was a good movie. Yes, I agree.
It definitely was creepy. It had a very high creep level.
But there's one Bigfoot movie I like, not one.
Speaker 4: No, The only one I liked was relatively something. I
can't remember.
Speaker 10: His last name was Ford, and it was called Something
in the Woods. It's like set in the sixties where
this boy catches a sasquatch on the farm.
Speaker 4: I think he chases him home and you know, the
dad doesn't believe him.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it.
Speaker 4: What's it called something in the Woods?
Speaker 3: Something?
Speaker 4: Actually, let me look it.
Speaker 3: Up real quick. Boy.
Speaker 5: That la the newest big movie that Doug and I
went on the theater.
Speaker 3: Oh god, that was The Sunset. I fell asleep with five.
Speaker 5: Minutes and I woke him up and we left before
it was over.
Speaker 3: It was so bad.
Speaker 5: I wasn't gonna let him sleep. And I'm like, no,
we got we got to get take out of here.
Speaker 3: That movie was terrible. I was out like a light.
It's terrible. Yeah, And I think we went with Adam,
didn't we? Yeah, and you and Adam watched that whole
piece of Adam Stade.
Speaker 5: You and I laugh, remember, oh that's right.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, let's get We went over to Sammy's Pizza. Yeah, Adam,
We're like, yeah, Hearing Henderson's was a good movie. It
was well produced. It was a movie.
Speaker 4: Did they make a series after that too? With the
same cast for a little while.
Speaker 3: Letters from the Big Man was interesting, but it was
a little too. There wasn't much content to that, Scott.
Speaker 5: I don't know about to answer your question, Scott, I'm
not familiar with that. Okay, you could be right. I'm
just not familiar with No.
Speaker 3: Are you a movie fan or no more less?
Speaker 6: I like the real stuff, the documentary stuff.
Speaker 3: Okay, find that stuff. I'm not really okay. Can we
see the pall in your hand again? Thank you? That's good.
I'm just I'm just giving you guys grap I love
it your fun. I'm in that moon today. I don't
know why. I think I had too much sleep. I
get I get streaky when I I get like I'd
like to play platical jokes on people when I get
too much sleep. For some reason, I can't. I just
become like the smart ascid. Yeah you're streaky today, Michael.
Speaker 5: They're twisted. Answer your question. So they'd make a TV show.
But none of the human cast return.
Speaker 4: Okay, see no, John Lithgow, I did.
Speaker 5: Not know that.
Speaker 3: Oh but that movie.
Speaker 5: That was a fun movie.
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. Yeah, the ancient alien documentaries are good
after you've seen one, though you've seen them all. If
I hear the narrator go, what's his line? Is it possible?
Is it possible? The narrator says all the time.
Speaker 5: And what according to ancient aliens?
Speaker 3: Theorists? Yeah, that's yeah. It's like really they have these
little it's that's it's too uh it's too uh uh
formula driven. And I don't really like formula driven things
that they go like, uh, this, what's that oak Island?
Is it oak Island? I take it look, if you
watched beyond two episodes, I actually pity you a bit.
If you watch beyond two episodes of that, maybe even
Skinwalker Ranch. You go me on three episodes of that
after they start launching skyrockets in the air, and it's
the same Trifield meter in every show, and I've kind
of like, this episode is kind of just like this
one and this one and this one. There's no variety,
it's no creative thinking. It's just line on a formula,
the exact formula. I never thought that way, you know.
I like that was pretty good. Yeah, they at least
traveled to different spots, and they did. It was always
a new spot, and I thought some of their stuff,
you know, it was pretty good. Some of it was
kind of form you know, formula driven, but they at
least want to do new areas, investigated new cases, and
they did try like I remember them using thinking. I
think they used lighter radar on the site in Texas
of that nineteen twenty four UFO trash. I can't remember,
but they used the light ar at the graveyard, you know,
where they said the towns people buried.
Speaker 4: The groundbreaking stuff for that time.
Speaker 3: So Kenny goes I couldn't handle Oak Island. Oak Island.
It's like, yeah, it's kind of good, but you know,
you gotta have to be kind of gullible thinking because
each episode they ended with a new toothpick they found,
and so you're almost it's like, I guess, being in
the TV business, I knew the trick.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, yeah, it's like it's such an interesting topic.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 5: I agree, and that's what they They keep dragging it out.
Speaker 3: And it's still going it's still going.
Speaker 5: Out a schedule.
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I always I don't want to
I don't mean to offend anybody, but if you watch
that show, you're a very gullible person because you've done
You've fallen into their manipulation.
Speaker 4: What about blind Frog Rane, What do you think of
that one?
Speaker 3: I have not seen it. Okay, it couldn't. It's got
to be better than skin Walker. And once again, the
formula for skin Walker is fine, but it can't. You
can't drag it on forever just cause it's a popular show.
You can't do that. If you have any integrity, you
just can't keep saying the same crap over and over
and over again. There's no integrity, you know what I
mean to be like me doing a monster Quest episode
on Squid looking for a giant squid, like thirty forty, fifty, sixty,
seventy eighty times. You know, at some point people are
gonna go what you know? And then there's other people go,
oh my god, you ever see that Giant Squid show?
It's over, you know, and they get used to that
same routine because some people love the repeatability, they look
forward to the same formula. Maybe it's a way to relax.
I don't know, but I just personally would never produce
crap like that. Yeah, you know, it's just not my style.
But yeah, Doug make a Snell grow series. Yeah yeah,
we'll always be this close to getting the images of Bigfoot.
We'll leave it with a cliff inger every episode. Next season,
next season, yes, next season will hint.
Speaker 4: At so like when's the next season coming out?
Speaker 3: Exactly? So I just yeah, you know, I just I
have a bone to pick with some of those shows.
And I'm like, if you do want a couple of
creative ideas, I can get you through at least some
new stuff. But because it's the same thing, I was
like ten years of gone by and they're still launching
rockets in the air.
Speaker 4: What do you think they should have done it, Skinwalker,
that they didn't do Doug Skinwalker. Yeah, have taken it
from just a redundant fire and rockets into.
Speaker 3: The first thing you were You would take Richard Dreyfus
and you would tie them to a pole and put
honey all over them and leave.
Speaker 4: Them there for Richard three weeks.
Speaker 6: I would you would? You would? You would?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you would do that. I don't know. I've got
some ideas, But Walk you're dealing with probably pure normal.
Once you've established in said it's pureenormal, what really can
you do beyond a couple of nights investigation, You're not
going to get anything great. Anything you're gonna get that's
gonna be really amazing, you're just gonna exaggerate it and
exaggerate it.
Speaker 10: And it's just that I think when it was a
Bigelow era Skinwalker Ranches, when it was its most fascinating.
Speaker 3: It was discovery. Yes, they were still in the process
of discovering some of the new stuff. And now it's
just kind of the same, repeat, repeat, repeat of the
old stuff.
Speaker 4: There's munch of money off the same ideas.
Speaker 3: Like somebody's calling me during the show. Who is it?
I don't know. Is it Richard Dreyfus, it is, actually
it's it's it's Bull's mother telling me he's get the bed.
Speaker 4: And it's well, sorry, mom, I'll be there shortly.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. All right, all right, let's wind this up.
Thank you so much guys for coming on. It was
just fun.
Speaker 4: Absolute Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll never have you on again, but we're gonna
definitely have Scott. No, I'm joking. No, just if anything,
if anything happens out there, Bill, definitely come on back
on you. You know, you can always come on for
like five minutes. Just tell give us an update on
your little d we I love that stuff. Give us
an update. If something weird happens, I have you on
even you don't have to sit here for the whole
damn show. You want to, yes, which is involves something
to do with fish cuts probably chum. I what happens,
It could happen, It could happen. But now you guys
are both a joy to have on. We really appreciate it.
Let's do our wisdom. Hang tight, everybody, Yep.
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Speaker 3: Did you guys notice that very realistic Bigfoot in the middle.
Speaker 4: Of that one tale? Was absolutely it was amazing.
Speaker 3: You could hardly tell it from real.
Speaker 4: I saw some eyeshine personally.
Speaker 3: Exactly. It sounds like people had We had kind of
a different show tonight. So it's fun talking about movies like.
Speaker 4: These, and you're all the weird stuff too, so it's great.
Speaker 3: He's like, no, I don't watch any movies it.
Speaker 4: Feels like the only weird thing is me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I think we I think we covered ground.
And I finally got to say how much I disliked
Disclosure Day. I'd platform did anybody else see Disclosure Day?
I didn't hear. I don't think anybody has. In chat.
Speaker 4: I thought about it. But now that you told me
how much.
Speaker 3: Of please Save save you old money, it's going to
be It'll be on Netflix quicker and you can say Amazon.
Speaker 5: I have a lot of friends who are a movie nerd,
the sci fi nerds, and I don't think I know
of anybody that enjoyed it. It was just universally panned.
Speaker 3: I loved Close Encounters. Yes, that was a great movie. Yeah,
I loved it. Actually enjoyed every second of it. Although
you got a little the you know, the the whole
journey to the to the mountain was a little bit
drawn out. I would have kind of maybe sped that
up a bit, you know, to get up to the
Devil's Tower thing. But it was a good movie.
Speaker 5: It was a good movie, all right.
Speaker 3: Jeff wants to go. By the way, there's a new
episode of What's the Dragon HBO Dragon that's the spin
off the Dragon, Oh, House of Dragons. Yeah, I'm getting
tomato in the back because he wants to go watch
an episode House, the newest one that just dropped tonight
of House of Dragons. So with that, we love you all.
Thank you so much. Bill. Yes, and it was really
it was it was, it was it was fun. Thank
you so much. Scott. You have my number, Scott. If
you need anything, God, let me know.
Speaker 4: Absolutely will do.
Speaker 3: And thank you, Jeff, and thank to our amazing audience tonight.
We appreciate it, by the way, to see you know,
Facebook wouldn't let me post the show anywhere. Really, Yeah,
they just go, you know, certain shows that'd be my
one word that will trigger Facebook and they just like nope,
that's just like doesn't need community guidelines. Ridiculous.
Speaker 4: It's like what, Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: It's kind of weird. They don't tell you why, Like, okay,
it'd be fine if you told us why. Anyhow, I'm
gonna run tonight. Hed too much sleep. I'm gonna try
to get less sleep tonight. Good night. Everybody will love you.
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