WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:10.640 A man, build and independent. 2 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:20.719 And so I'm here in San Diego for the first 3 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:23.679 stop on the what would the ancestors say, mission driven 4 00:00:23.679 --> 00:00:29.800 book tour, and I'm being treated really lovely and it 5 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:40.399 feels beautiful, and folks are shown up. We have now 6 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:47.200 become the tools of capitalism in a mental form. And 7 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:51.280 I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been set like 8 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.159 this is not like, oh my gosh, she cracked a 9 00:00:54.359 --> 00:01:02.679 cold al it ain't. However, the code continues to require cracking. 10 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:09.560 They keep coming up with new codes. And because so 11 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:18.840 many of us do not see that, we don't prevent it. Baby, 12 00:01:18.439 --> 00:01:21.439 we knew we were free. That was the talk of 13 00:01:21.480 --> 00:01:26.159 the town, she man, when we heard about that Lincoln 14 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:29.319 about to bring that mess a fate prople of me. 15 00:01:37.680 --> 00:01:38.319 It's the fact that. 16 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:47.799 Someone over here when stupid, because you're correct, they say 17 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:50.079 books won't change the world. 18 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:53.480 Tell that to every colonizer that burns them. Look at this, 19 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:55.319 They have a free. 20 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.560 Bookshelf right here at Burst into Books. 21 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.359 You having a space like this in this neighborhood with 22 00:02:04.599 --> 00:02:10.280 a bookshelf for free book from most outside handing out 23 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:23.319 an so the people and not y'all having a actual table. 24 00:02:24.960 --> 00:02:27.039 Many black folks who served in the Civil War have 25 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:28.719 said it the first time that they felt like they 26 00:02:28.759 --> 00:02:30.639 were seen by white holtes because they had no name. 27 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:34.919 They were seen as a friend, but they were also 28 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:35.919 seen as capable. 29 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:37.719 Do it. 30 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:41.199 Come on over come, say hi, get you a book 31 00:02:41.240 --> 00:02:45.960 and get it signed. While I'm not here in the shy, 32 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:49.680 we had our gods, we had our land, and. 33 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:51.879 We were strict from that, and we were forced to 34 00:02:52.039 --> 00:02:59.599 establish something brand new here in spite of the constant 35 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:04.759 threat of that degradation and terrorism, and somehow we managed 36 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:10.840 to form Blackness. Now, they may have given us the name, 37 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:12.960 but we gave blackness the soup. 38 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:15.319 But tell us how we can really utilize what. 39 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:18.400 You put in the book as a resource and tool 40 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:19.400 in reference. 41 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.719 M money. 42 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:30.960 Inside. 43 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:33.159 But we don't have to stay here. 44 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:34.840 We know somebody else. 45 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:40.520 We are of imagination. 46 00:03:42.159 --> 00:03:44.240 Did you use somewhere? 47 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:56.919 I just anything that. 48 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:57.599 We can be. 49 00:03:59.520 --> 00:04:08.120 Good for those of us who want to desire courage 50 00:04:08.159 --> 00:04:08.680 to others. 51 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:16.120 What advice do you have do you demonstrate courage? We 52 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.759 know that folks are not on it, so you're. 53 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:24.079 Like, come, let's do courage, guys, and they're like. 54 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:25.600 Like, you know, if. 55 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:28.120 Folks are like, I'm missy. 56 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:29.639 You know, I have a hair appointment. 57 00:04:29.759 --> 00:04:35.040 I can't do courage today. 58 00:04:35.160 --> 00:04:36.920 I don't even know the next time she's gonna be free, 59 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:37.800 Like I just I can't. 60 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:49.279 Who's gonna be there that courage? 61 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:13.839 Hello? I mean, I know I've been I've been gone, 62 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:21.639 but I'm here. I've been gone, but I'm here, and 63 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:28.360 we're here and it is still viewed from Mandolin, and 64 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:32.040 we are still that girl. Okay, we have a light 65 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:35.240 room because folks is like, is she even gonna be back? 66 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.879 I don't know if she's even gonna show up. I 67 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:44.600 know that's why we only have one hundred and forty 68 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:53.279 four people here. But that's fine. That's fine because we 69 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:57.399 still got what we need. Shout out to everybody who's 70 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:02.800 gotten their copy of what would the ancestors say? Very excited? 71 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:18.439 Do these not have inserts? Very excited to finally get 72 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:22.680 to finally start seeing the books come out? Rolando. I 73 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:27.000 will have you know that I have been researching how 74 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:31.519 to make a calendar, and that was a piece of 75 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:36.560 egg how to make a calendar, and it's actually something 76 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:41.680 that I can do it feasibly within Wait, why was 77 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:45.360 I in the shade room? Why was I in the 78 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:49.720 shade room yesterday? Hold on, Fatimo, why was I in 79 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:54.240 the shad room? Let me go on this damn internet. 80 00:06:55.319 --> 00:07:07.839 I'll be minded my business. Oh no, Christiana, were not. 81 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:11.120 We're not doing making them at Kinkos though, because the 82 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:15.240 whole thing about it is that we can't just do 83 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:20.639 it at Kinkos because then I gotta still ship it out. Oh, 84 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:23.240 I'm on the shade room because of what I said 85 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:29.759 about Niki, And I stand by what I said about Niki, 86 00:07:29.920 --> 00:07:34.639 because what is you know, I see things and it's 87 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:37.160 very obvious, and I don't know. I'm trying to download 88 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:38.519 it for y'all so I can show y'all so you 89 00:07:38.560 --> 00:07:42.000 can see it too. When I see things and they're 90 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:46.279 very obvious, I think it's reality that it's obvious for 91 00:07:46.360 --> 00:07:49.839 me only because of what I know, not because of 92 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:52.879 what they're being what we're being taught, and this is 93 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:56.920 a fact. So because of that, it has to get said. 94 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:04.040 I understand that we are the subject of psyops and 95 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:08.120 I understand that we are absolutely being lied to on 96 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:12.160 a regular basis. So with that understanding, I have to 97 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.079 say the truth when I see it, because I know 98 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.120 that the truth is being lied that we are being 99 00:08:19.160 --> 00:08:21.920 lied to on a regular basis. So that's just what 100 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.639 it is, and so people can feel a way about 101 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:28.120 that if they want to. But I'm sure you blocked 102 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.519 the shade room, Rachel, because you are a smart person. 103 00:08:32.840 --> 00:08:35.399 But if you want to see the video, I will 104 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.440 show it to you right now. Fatima knows herself and said, 105 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:47.600 I am online chronically. So here's the video that is 106 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:51.840 being discussed right now that I made about Nicki minaj 107 00:08:55.559 --> 00:08:59.919 Nicki Minaje working with Trump admin on plight of Christian 108 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:01.000 in Nigeria. 109 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:07.960 Either she's getting a check, or she was maggot the 110 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:12.519 whole time, or she. 111 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:16.320 Genuinely thinks that she's doing something good, which, by the way, 112 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.639 is why y'all need to have people around you that 113 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:22.879 know more than you. And by y'all, I don't just 114 00:09:22.960 --> 00:09:28.600 mean celebrities. Everybody. Everybody should have people around them that 115 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:32.320 they can consult with, that think differently than you, that 116 00:09:32.480 --> 00:09:37.679 hold you in a place of values. Just so you 117 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.679 understand what's happening here with the plight of Christians in Nigeria. 118 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.960 There is a plight of Christians in Nigeria. However, the 119 00:09:45.080 --> 00:09:47.120 US that what does that have to do with the 120 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:53.600 United States. The United States is using this as a 121 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:59.039 ploy as a proxy to find their way into Nigeria 122 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.519 so that they can then and find their way into 123 00:10:01.679 --> 00:10:05.960 the sill states of Burkina Fasso, Moli and Niger, who, 124 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:10.000 as you know, are coming together to begin a process 125 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:14.120 of pan Africanism on the continent. They are taking back 126 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:17.879 their resources from friends. They are saying, we are going 127 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:25.080 to build our own infrastructures. This undermines the global empires 128 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:28.799 go and so they have to try and shut it down. 129 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:33.080 Now we saw earlier this year with Afrikaan and that Cone, 130 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:36.080 that general who tried to say, oh you know, they 131 00:10:36.159 --> 00:10:39.639 got some problems going down in Burkina Fasso. They're continuing 132 00:10:39.720 --> 00:10:42.399 to try to make this happen the same way that 133 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:46.200 they're making Vetch happen in Venezuela. Right now, what when 134 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:55.759 do we stop allowing ourselves to be used? Come listen 135 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:56.759 to your people. 136 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:01.200 Waited to be scared up? 137 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:10.559 And then I just promote the book. So yeah, and 138 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:12.720 I love that. Kimberly and those of you all who 139 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:17.879 noticed that I made a mean girl's reference making fetch happen. 140 00:11:18.080 --> 00:11:20.159 By the way, I look really pretty. I just wanted 141 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.840 to point that out. I feel like I'm I'm making 142 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:38.559 fetch happen right now just say and I'm back. But 143 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.039 shout out to everybody who came out to the first 144 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:45.080 leg of the What the Ancestors Say Mission Driven book tour. 145 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:49.000 It was really beautiful and it really showed me a 146 00:11:49.039 --> 00:11:57.440 lot about the path that I'm on. And I watched 147 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.159 a video this morning about the UAE, and you know, 148 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:03.840 I'm trying to What I'm trying to do is use 149 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:09.159 pattern recognition to see the holes that we are missing 150 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:19.039 as humans. You know, I think that we we do 151 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:25.879 a lot of filling the gaps that government doesn't feel 152 00:12:25.919 --> 00:12:30.399 for necessity, and that's incredibly necessary and it is imperative 153 00:12:30.919 --> 00:12:37.960 to help avoid the next gap, which is displeasure that 154 00:12:38.159 --> 00:12:43.799 is able to be alchemized into weaponized violence against your 155 00:12:43.799 --> 00:12:49.200 own people. And when I was on the road, someone 156 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:52.440 asked me, you know, do you have any proof or 157 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:54.039 not proof? But they didn't say that way. Let me 158 00:12:54.320 --> 00:12:59.399 correct myself. They said, you know, what can you how 159 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.039 can you show that what you're talking about is working? 160 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:08.600 You know, what are the practical application of the things 161 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:12.200 that you talk about? And I'm like, and she's an organizer, 162 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.639 and I had to tell her, Oh, so I'm not 163 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:23.919 an organizer. I'm a decolonizer. So I am here to 164 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:29.440 talk about and to help folks rewire in order to 165 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:35.120 be organized. I am working in conjunction with organizers. So 166 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:37.759 the proof of what I'm doing is in the people 167 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:42.000 being able to be useful for folks like you to 168 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:49.039 help themselves. And we have been so deeply colonized, and 169 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:53.720 we have been the subject of actual psychological warfare, so 170 00:13:53.879 --> 00:14:01.039 our bodies themselves right have been victimized in ways that 171 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:05.159 many of us are uneven aware of, and we're literally 172 00:14:05.559 --> 00:14:09.559 rendered incapable of helping ourselves. I always say that we 173 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.799 are very We are the first AI because there are 174 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:17.440 fail safes that they supposedly put in robots to make 175 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.960 sure that robots don't turn against their quote unquote owners. Well, 176 00:14:21.240 --> 00:14:25.679 that's what they're doing with us. They've been doing it 177 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:29.759 with us. And then you have neurodivergent minds that are 178 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:33.080 a lot harder to wire, because the wiring of a 179 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.759 neurodivergent mind isn't as straightforward. And this is not shade 180 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:40.440 to neurotypical minds. It's just that there are ways in 181 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:45.320 which these operatives have figured out how to manage certain minds, 182 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:48.320 but they haven't figured out how to marriage how to 183 00:14:48.399 --> 00:14:52.639 rewire a neurodivergent mind, because our wiring doesn't make sense. 184 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.039 It's not on the main frame. Every neurodivergent mind is different. 185 00:14:56.080 --> 00:14:59.799 That's why they say, if you've met one autistic person, 186 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:04.679 you've met one autistic person, but the neurotypical mind. I'm 187 00:15:04.679 --> 00:15:07.159 not saying that all neurotypical minds are the same, however, 188 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:12.120 but they've somehow figured out how to crack that mind, right, 189 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:16.720 they figured out how to crack that mind. So you know, 190 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:21.679 we come in here, neurotypicals and neuro divergence to continuously 191 00:15:21.759 --> 00:15:26.240 figure out how to challenge these systems. And even as 192 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:29.720 I say it, I'd be like, Amanda, you sound nuts, 193 00:15:30.240 --> 00:15:33.159 But I realized that I only sound nuts because we 194 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:37.759 have been tricked into thinking in very limited scopes, even 195 00:15:37.799 --> 00:15:42.120 though we have proof that our oppressors are not. We 196 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:46.679 have proof, we have proof that our oppressors are not 197 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:52.240 thinking limited scopes, so why would we continue to do so? 198 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.360 So we have to challenge ourselves and continue to create spaces, 199 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:58.759 by the way, where we can have these conversations where 200 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:05.279 we can consider possibilities and not feel crazy no matter 201 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:08.200 how out there they are, unless you're talking about flatter 202 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:09.639 you flatter if there's got to get out of here, 203 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:17.279 because that's just silly. Okay, that's just silly. But also 204 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:18.919 I want to but I want to remind you that 205 00:16:18.960 --> 00:16:21.840 you can get your copy of what would the ancestors say? 206 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:25.919 You know what the books are also reminded me and 207 00:16:26.039 --> 00:16:29.879 let me know and let me know that people really 208 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:35.039 want knowledge and they want spaces that we're doing here 209 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:42.440 I've used for Mandolin. They want those spaces everywhere, and 210 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.480 so it was really beautiful to see people come out 211 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.000 because remember I come from entertainment, and so I'm used 212 00:16:49.039 --> 00:16:51.399 to people just coming out because they want to be entertained. 213 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.000 And to have people come out because they want to 214 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:59.360 be inspired, because they want to be informed, really felt 215 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.879 very a firm and really let me know that that 216 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:06.960 artistic intellectual title is definitely coming to Fruition in a 217 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.119 real way. And I just felt proud to be serving 218 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:13.160 my ancestors in that real way. And for those of 219 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.680 you who come and remember I mentioned at the end 220 00:17:16.680 --> 00:17:19.519 of the video that I will be in d C 221 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:23.559 on December tewond Baltimore, December third, New Orleans on December eleventh. 222 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:25.839 We still have more dates that we are locking in, 223 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:28.559 but just know that those are the dates that are 224 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:34.480 currently on point. And you need to subscribe to the 225 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.920 newsletter at amandacials dot com so that you can stay 226 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:39.920 on point because things we move in and shifting and 227 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:41.319 change in and I want to make sure that you 228 00:17:41.359 --> 00:17:43.279 all get to come out. I also want to point 229 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:46.799 out that I made a decision to make sure that 230 00:17:47.200 --> 00:17:52.079 the events are free so that the people can partake. 231 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:58.200 So you'll have to RSVP, but you'll be able to 232 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.920 come and take part. And if you can buy a book, 233 00:18:02.960 --> 00:18:04.799 you buy a book. And what I would say to 234 00:18:04.880 --> 00:18:08.400 that is if someone is there that cannot afford to 235 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:13.559 buy a book and they even feel, you know, comfortable 236 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:15.319 enough to say, like, I can't afford to buy a book, 237 00:18:15.359 --> 00:18:19.799 and you have the means, buy them a book, Buy 238 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:24.160 them a book, and let me tell you moving forward, 239 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:27.599 you know, if I can get a sponsorship for like, 240 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:29.160 I want to be able to do a thing where 241 00:18:29.160 --> 00:18:31.920 it's like you buy a book, you get a free book. 242 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:35.240 You know, like I would love to be able to 243 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:38.279 do that to you buy a book, you get a 244 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:41.960 free book. So these are the types of things that 245 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:47.200 I'm working on being able to do. I put it 246 00:18:47.240 --> 00:18:51.519 out into the world. Please mark your calendars that we 247 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:59.799 are working on working on having an event in nyak 248 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:06.920 on December fourteenth. That's a Sunday afternoon on December fourteenth. 249 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.279 I'm saying this because I know that some of you 250 00:19:10.359 --> 00:19:15.079 all live in the Tri State area, but you're like, 251 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:16.519 how am I gonna get to nyak and so you 252 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.519 will have you have enough time. Now you have almost 253 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:22.880 a month. Now, just start figuring out how you're gonna 254 00:19:22.880 --> 00:19:26.519 get to nayak. Nik is thirty minutes out of the city. 255 00:19:26.680 --> 00:19:31.200 It's ten minutes from Terrytown's from Terrytown Metro North, so 256 00:19:31.400 --> 00:19:34.160 you know some of you all can take the Metro North. 257 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.680 And then Sharon Uber that uber is about thirty bucks. 258 00:19:37.160 --> 00:19:39.519 Houston has not been postponed, Brandon. We're just in the 259 00:19:39.559 --> 00:19:50.079 process of figuring out the exact date. No zero, no, 260 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:54.720 so hopefully, Like look at Fatima right here talking about carpooling. 261 00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:58.359 So you guys who are on Patreon, you can converse 262 00:20:01.200 --> 00:20:05.240 and uh, trust me, if I I was literally trying 263 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:06.839 to think, like how could I get it? How could 264 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:14.480 I charter a jitney? I was trying to figure it out, y'all? 265 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:17.240 Can I charter a jitney from the city. 266 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:24.920 That could bring folks to nayak. 267 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.799 But I didn't even know where to start because you know, 268 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:28.759 they got the Hampton jitney that take folks to Hampton 269 00:20:28.799 --> 00:20:31.359 to take polks to Hanton. So if anybody knows somebody 270 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:35.799 with a party bus that wants a sponsor driving folks 271 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:41.920 from the city to Nayaka back, please that would be 272 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:48.440 so dope. Okay, that would be so dope. So, you know, 273 00:20:48.920 --> 00:20:49.559 reach out. 274 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:49.920 To your. 275 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:55.319 Reach out, reach out to your resources. Let me just also, 276 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.000 but let me just say this in a real way 277 00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.279 though it is reaching out to our resources. One of 278 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:05.240 the things that that that really helped me feel so 279 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:12.519 in purpose on this on this tour was that I 280 00:21:12.519 --> 00:21:16.240 felt like I was stepping into the space of a 281 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:20.480 civil rights leader in like a very literal way like that. 282 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.839 And the one thing that really pushed it over was 283 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:26.200 when I was eating dinner with the family that owns 284 00:21:27.079 --> 00:21:29.200 Burst into Books on the South Side of Chicago, and 285 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:31.839 we were literally sitting at a dinner table eating dinner, 286 00:21:31.880 --> 00:21:34.799 and that same table as what got flipped into the 287 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.279 table where I was signing the books, and I just 288 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:40.279 remember those photos that we would see of you know, 289 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.599 Malcolm and Martin and the boys, and they would be, 290 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:45.559 you know, eating dinner in people's homes and being welcomed 291 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:49.640 in people's homes, and it felt so similar, and I 292 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.720 was like, oh, this is this is this is that? 293 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:58.000 So ms blood three one three. Good luck on them, tiefs, 294 00:21:58.119 --> 00:22:00.839 good luck on them tiefs. So I see, I see, 295 00:22:00.880 --> 00:22:04.000 I see things coming in coming into Fruich, into into 296 00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.720 the picture of things, and I just want to appreciate 297 00:22:06.720 --> 00:22:12.000 you all all the time. Let's get into our word 298 00:22:12.319 --> 00:22:20.240 of the day, and our word of the day is serendipity. 299 00:22:20.599 --> 00:22:32.680 All right, our word of the day is serendipity. Serendipity 300 00:22:32.759 --> 00:22:36.240 is a noun luck that takes the form of finding 301 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.920 valuable or pleasant things that are not looked for, or 302 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.680 to an instant of such luck. I love the words 303 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:49.319 serendipity because the words serendipity is basically, when you are 304 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:57.559 glass half fulling, you're like a serendipity, right, So Rilando, 305 00:22:57.720 --> 00:23:02.920 you're a mess. So let's use serendipity in a word. 306 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:10.359 Let me think, you know, when I was at Some 307 00:23:10.400 --> 00:23:13.599 folks might some folks might consider the smear campaigns against 308 00:23:13.640 --> 00:23:17.400 me last year as completely negative, but I look at 309 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:20.279 them as serendipity, to pushing me in the direction that 310 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:27.160 I was supposed to be going in serendipity. Yeah, Mauwakuda said, 311 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.559 serendipity is me running into Amanda Seals as word from 312 00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:36.200 five thousand miles away. D Jess Ramsey says, call it 313 00:23:36.319 --> 00:23:39.440 meta algorithm, or call it serendipity, but I'm glad it 314 00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:43.400 brought us together. I feel you, Alison Waite. So the 315 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.799 serendipity of fighting Miss Seals when I did can only 316 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:47.799 be explained this magic. Oh my god, you all alterning 317 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:50.440 all of these, it's a compliments. Oh my god, Oh 318 00:23:50.480 --> 00:23:54.799 my good. Ron Smon say, ain nothing serendipity about this administration. 319 00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:58.680 Serendipitous about this administration. You know what's interesting about that? 320 00:23:58.720 --> 00:24:03.920 Though many of them would say there is, because essentially, no, 321 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.640 you know what, it's not serendipity. And I'll tell you why, 322 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:11.000 because the difference is that serendipity is when it just happens, 323 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:16.400 not when it's plotted. Christianna Dabney says, it's always a 324 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.599 moment of serendipity when I walk in my neighborhood and 325 00:24:18.680 --> 00:24:22.680 stumble upon a beautiful view or pretty flowers, etc. You 326 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:25.720 know what's funny is that the name Christiana Dabney, this 327 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:28.119 is exactly the comp like, this is exactly the sentence 328 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.400 I would expect from you, because it's just it feels 329 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.720 very floral. It feels the name Christiana Dabney feels like 330 00:24:33.799 --> 00:24:36.960 you are a member of the cast of dubt Nabbey. 331 00:24:37.519 --> 00:24:40.039 It's like Lady Crawley is coming to meet Christiana Dabney. 332 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.839 Have you met, ladies, Have you met Lady Christiana Dabney. 333 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:46.799 She's lovely and she has some beautiful flowers on her grounds, 334 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:53.599 just really charming. All right? Say it said? It was 335 00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:55.799 serendipitous for my friends to have a godfather who was 336 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.039 able to do a free, life changing surgery for her 337 00:24:58.119 --> 00:25:00.920 cat since he was a veterinarian with his own practice. 338 00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:03.400 Oh my god. Let me also point outside that when 339 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:09.359 I was in Seattle, they had like a embroidery of 340 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:13.720 a word in Arabic on the wall, and I was like, that, 341 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:20.559 says mak Tube, y'all, I can read the Arabic. All right, 342 00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:23.920 we're almost done, Fatima said, Oh, by the way, my 343 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.759 tube means it was written go read the alchemist. Fatima says, 344 00:25:27.799 --> 00:25:29.839 also a serendipitous of that, I'm Donni won the election. 345 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:33.200 His rise seemed too improbable to be planned. 346 00:25:34.240 --> 00:25:34.720 Hm hm. 347 00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.279 Fair, fair thoughts, fair thoughts, and we got one more. 348 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.839 Everything in life is serendipitus. According to Brendan McGrath, everything 349 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:48.079 happens for a reason bigger than all of us. Fair. 350 00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.559 It's also just nice to think that, you know what 351 00:25:55.599 --> 00:25:58.119 I'm saying, Like, that's what That's why people have religion, 352 00:25:58.559 --> 00:26:00.400 because they're like I can't have all this my head 353 00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:02.359 by myself, Like this can just be all on me. 354 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:05.960 It can't be. We gotta we gotta move past, like 355 00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:07.599 I don't want to hold onto it. That's too much. 356 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.680 All right, before we bring up our guest, let's do 357 00:26:11.319 --> 00:26:22.519 a quick ah, hold on, one second, hold on. Okay, 358 00:26:22.640 --> 00:26:39.799 So here we go. Hey, Hey the landers here the 359 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:59.559 learners dropt Land drop watch massa chest down. Yeah, okay, 360 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:06.359 I'm doing laundry, max Olimpia, Ohio, Houston, what's out Wisconsin, 361 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:13.119 California or Island Washington for the Seattle, my Peria, that's up. 362 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:19.240 Billy don'ja n't be Illinois, New Orleans. I'll be there 363 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:27.319 on you Livings top Doors, New Jersey, Durham, Calaana County, Ontario. 364 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:29.119 They're trying to not thyone free? 365 00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:29.519 What up? 366 00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:43.400 Th aftern Ohio Freeway, oh Northcota and the Canada in Rondo, 367 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:51.839 Colanders here jumping at him where you're watching front of 368 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:53.400 Okay from. 369 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:58.160 Valley and Testagans SB. Not sure what that is is 370 00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:03.640 not sbu. Let's keep this check going. This is hotball Ontario. 371 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:12.599 Where else? Sattist New Jersey, Rshing Heights, Washingo Heights, NYC, Richmond, Virginia, 372 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:21.880 out Hurst, Shottown, Northern Virginia, Cleveland, Ohio, nest Is City, California, Middleboro, Massachusetts. 373 00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:26.960 A yeah, it's bed were worth every Massachusetts eighty K. 374 00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:32.880 It's on ansell on on on and on on on 375 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:42.680 Daga Land here it is can Indians, Tenni, Malaysia, Winter, Canada, 376 00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:47.720 San Francisco, Phoenix, Arizona. You know it's going down in Choke, 377 00:28:48.359 --> 00:28:55.640 East Orange, New Jersey. For leavea D in Pennsylvania. I'm 378 00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.839 Ina Landers here Land telling me where you're watching? 379 00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:09.200 Thanks you. 380 00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:16.359 Okay, let's let's get into our sixty second headlines. How 381 00:29:16.359 --> 00:29:20.000 about we do that. We didn't do our bonus question. Actually, 382 00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:21.519 I'll do it while we're with our guests so I 383 00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.119 can get his answer, even though I hear know what 384 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:23.880 his answer is going to. 385 00:29:23.920 --> 00:29:31.839 Be sixty when the news right leg. 386 00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:45.680 The song song Hello good well you're in Brazil, so 387 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:47.039 good afternoon. 388 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:48.240 Yeah. 389 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:53.200 Oh, technically it still burns you like until like one ish, 390 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:53.839 so you're like. 391 00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.839 Oy, so good morning, good morning, good morning. 392 00:29:56.480 --> 00:29:58.559 They ate lunch when they did, like if they If 393 00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.640 they ate, lundon is officially bought, but usually it's bones. 394 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:02.359 You into that one. 395 00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:11.279 Okay, okay, you speak Portuguese, Okay, okay, don't flee to 396 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:13.319 the home. See what the. 397 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:18.759 Dreases don't flee to their home. They dreading. The dreads 398 00:30:18.839 --> 00:30:20.799 is dread today. I'm rocking with them. 399 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:23.279 Right, They've really come into their own. 400 00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:25.759 Oh I love yeah. Oh, that's that's one of my 401 00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.319 favorite parts about the dread process, when they like take 402 00:30:28.359 --> 00:30:30.680 on their own form and it really does a match 403 00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:33.359 like whatever phase you are in your life at the time. 404 00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.440 It's really interesting. Actually, I got like a whole dread theory. 405 00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:39.480 We get into another day, all right. 406 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:42.039 I definitely want to get into that another day. Well, 407 00:30:42.079 --> 00:30:44.599 while we're here, though, normally we do a bonus question, 408 00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:46.720 and I was gonna say, I say, you know what, 409 00:30:46.799 --> 00:30:48.839 let me just ask it here. So let's get into 410 00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:49.759 our bonus question. 411 00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.559 The question questions question. 412 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:05.119 Actually, before we even do the bonus place, let me 413 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:06.640 just tell y'all that while I was on the road, 414 00:31:06.799 --> 00:31:11.000 this woman showed me a video of her kids singing 415 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:13.920 bonus question. So she's like, oh, you know, my sons 416 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.839 and I we watch your show together. And I'm thinking, like, oh, 417 00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.599 they must be like adults or you know, teenagers. These 418 00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:24.079 babies are eight and nine. 419 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:30.359 Yes, I had to start cutting back cause my show 420 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:31.839 has always been for adults. I actually had to start 421 00:31:31.839 --> 00:31:33.319 cutting back on some of the language that I use 422 00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:35.400 because people were telling me they watching with their kids. 423 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.000 I'm like, what, Oh, y'all should have told when it sooner? 424 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:38.559 My bad. 425 00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:42.200 You're like, oh, no, it's fun, Like, no, it's really not. 426 00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:44.160 I didn't know that your kids were not interested in politics. 427 00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.200 Listen, kids are interested, like when I was. So I 428 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:52.759 teach our class and these fifth graders, y'all. The other day, 429 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:55.559 one of my students we did a free draw. So 430 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.200 I usually have like a plan, but I was like, 431 00:31:58.279 --> 00:31:59.880 y'all gonna do a free draw, which is really just 432 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:01.559 I don't have a plan and we don't have a 433 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.559 TV to roll in on cart to watch. Yeah, so 434 00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:12.160 I I know, yeah, it's a free day. So I 435 00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:16.400 look over and this this child was drawing an M sixteen. 436 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.839 What for real? 437 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:25.359 Like with the picture of it drawing. 438 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:30.720 It, that's a very specific thing to draw, like from 439 00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:31.319 the military. 440 00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:36.880 It's going to get more specific. I said, what are 441 00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.200 you drawing? And he said, I'm trying to Iraq war. 442 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:46.079 Yeah, that that would be M sixteen. Yeah. Wow, that's 443 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:50.160 I don't know what to call. He's very informal. That's 444 00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:51.519 very scary. I'm not sure which one it is. 445 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.119 It's kind of both. And I had to you know, 446 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.799 I had to go from the teacher lean to the 447 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:02.359 we got I got to settle. 448 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.960 In Yeah for me, why don't you decide to draw 449 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.640 this please? And do I need to call out tomorrow? 450 00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:11.440 Like let me look. 451 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.759 Listen? And I was so because I was like okay, 452 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.880 so and I said, so, tell me what do you 453 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:19.559 know about the Iraq War? And he was like, I 454 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:20.920 don't know. Wasn't it to like this is a little 455 00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:22.519 black child y'all. He was like, I don't know. 456 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:22.559 What. 457 00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:24.000 Wasn't it like to like liberate oil? 458 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:26.440 I mean? 459 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.160 And I said, to liberate oil? What does liberate mean? 460 00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:36.720 And he went, I mean like to free And I said, 461 00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:39.680 so was the oil imprisoned? 462 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.559 It seemed like he was reading somebody speaking sarcastically, because 463 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.720 you know, we we always joked that way, like, yeah, 464 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:50.440 we're look like they needs some liberation, and it's become 465 00:33:50.559 --> 00:33:53.640 so you like, it's been you so much sarcastically. People 466 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.880 actually think that kids might actually think that we're being serious, which. 467 00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.480 Is why I had to walk him through it, which 468 00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:00.759 is why I have to walk him through it. And 469 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:02.680 so I said what I said, was it in prison? 470 00:34:02.799 --> 00:34:05.119 He was like, well, no, they were just like taking 471 00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:07.119 the oil. And I said, so they were stealing the 472 00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:08.800 oil and he was like yes. 473 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:14.920 Yeah, right, but it depends who you ask, Like, but yeah, 474 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.039 you will hear people say that they were liberating, but 475 00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.639 know that that stealing a liberation are two different things, 476 00:34:19.639 --> 00:34:22.639 and it's important that you understand the distinction. If it's mine, 477 00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:29.840 yeah exactly, he's a liberating oil, keep him off of Twitter, 478 00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:31.000 because I know he didn't got that. 479 00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:36.599 So during the after school program, so like their parents, 480 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:37.960 you know, so their parents will come and pick them 481 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:40.599 up and they'll call down and then they'll be like, oh, 482 00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.400 so and so, like your parent is here. So when 483 00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.800 his parents called down, he said I'm free, and I 484 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:52.239 said he you are not imprisoned. He was like, you're right, 485 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:53.280 You're right right. 486 00:34:55.039 --> 00:34:56.639 That's funny. Oh, that's funny. 487 00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.239 I like y'all using these words. I'll loosey goosey, all right. 488 00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:03.559 So our bonus question of the day, y'all is what 489 00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:07.760 can you do in set hold on? Where's my butherus? Question? 490 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:14.119 Where is it? What can you do instead of thankstaking? 491 00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:16.119 I already know the answer for you because you live 492 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:18.039 in Brazil. So what are you gonna say? 493 00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.440 Well, instead of what I call. 494 00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:21.840 It thankstaking, I don't call it Thanksgiving. 495 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:26.880 Oh oh so I teach my kids about Indigenous People's 496 00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:29.599 Day and we celebrate togetherness and we use it as 497 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.440 a day of rememorance. Even though they don't live I 498 00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.119 mean they have, they don't celebrate things giving here, but 499 00:35:35.159 --> 00:35:37.679 they do have Indigenous people who have been disenfranchised. So 500 00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:39.400 I still feel like it's important that they know that. 501 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:41.920 And because they're half American, we still talk about it, 502 00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.679 and we use opportunity to cook and we discuss history 503 00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:48.239 and things like that, because you know, it's still important 504 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.559 to gather with your family whenever you can so, and 505 00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.480 they just so happen to have the day off here. 506 00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:56.519 It's a coincidence, but yeah. 507 00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:57.480 It is important to gather with our family. In the 508 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.920 United States, however, it becomes we're going to give you 509 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.559 the day off so we can make money off of you. 510 00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.400 Oh first, yeah, it's Thanksgiving us about Black Friday at 511 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:11.119 the United States. That's all. I was actually talking about 512 00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:13.239 this because she worked in retail since I was a kid, 513 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.079 and she was like, yeah, no, She's like she was 514 00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:20.559 condemning her bosses at the time for getting mad that 515 00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.960 people were upset that they wanted to spend time with 516 00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:25.559 their families and they kept moving back. So before it 517 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.079 was what you gotta get up and be there by 518 00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:29.159 seven am if you want to get in right, And 519 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.960 then it was six am, then it was five, then 520 00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.079 it was four, and then it like by the time 521 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.480 I started working at best Buy, we had to leave 522 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.159 the house by eleven pm to be at work by 523 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:43.519 eleven thirty because we were opening at one am. Yeah, 524 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:48.800 one am yeah, there's run a black people are doing things, 525 00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:55.159 giving dinner in line for electronics, for electronics for that 526 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:57.360 big olds well back at the time, well fifty inch, 527 00:36:57.360 --> 00:36:59.440 which was like five thousand, but you know they got 528 00:36:59.440 --> 00:37:01.320 it for two, so it was worth it for them. 529 00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.239 But yeah, my mom was basically criticizing their bosses, like 530 00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:06.079 y'all can't get mad these employees for being upset that 531 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:08.239 you're taking time away from their families. Like I am 532 00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.280 okay with it because like my boys work here. Like 533 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:12.119 I'm gonna be with my boys, like we eat early, 534 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:14.039 we sleep and we you know, it's kind of our 535 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:16.960 thing now. But like, I'm not gonna be upset with 536 00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.280 my employees coming to work. Piste off that you basically 537 00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:23.679 are using their bodies for capitalism and taking time away 538 00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:26.400 when like in the times keep getting earlier and earlier. 539 00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:28.559 But how can you really enjoy time with your family 540 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.719 if you know, I gotta go to sleep at too, 541 00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:36.679 because I gotta be at work at eleven PM. 542 00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.079 I had no idea was that I didn't know it 543 00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:41.360 got that serious? 544 00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:44.000 Oh, is that it's Friday is so serious now that 545 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:52.000 it's reached, It's breeched Brazil. We have black Friday here, Yeah, yes, ma'am. Nope, Thanksgiving, 546 00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:55.599 but still Black Friday. Yep, I gotta see some screen shots. 547 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:57.639 I'm gonna see some screenshots whenever we get done on 548 00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:01.079 ig of like all the Black Friday updates I get 549 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:08.360 on my phone from different apps, yep, Brazilia and specifically, y'all, what. 550 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:11.239 Are you gonna do instead of thanks taking? Because a 551 00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:14.079 lot of people are talking to Miko about this being 552 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.599 an opportunity to boycott, right, this being an opportunity to 553 00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:19.960 not spend the way that we normally do, you know, 554 00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:22.519 just cook what's already in the fridge, or do your 555 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:27.239 regular regular grocery spending, et cetera. Finding other ways to 556 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:31.840 really impact the economy, go volunteer instead, you know, maybe 557 00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.639 your whole family goes and volunteers. So I've been seeing 558 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.360 people say things like I've seen people say, you know what, 559 00:38:38.400 --> 00:38:42.239 do the opposite fast? I'm like, you know what, y'all? Right, 560 00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:50.079 y'all went islam win it? If we're being honest, you 561 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.159 end up fasting all day anyway, because nine times out 562 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:56.280 of say, you eaton until the sun go down, and 563 00:38:56.320 --> 00:38:59.280 the sun go down at five o'clock now in New York, 564 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:03.719 but by the year dinner, you like, my stomach is 565 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:06.039 touching my ribs, and I think that's my desire. 566 00:39:06.800 --> 00:39:08.599 Oh boy. And if you grew up in a black family, boy, 567 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:11.079 you know you ain't touching not a damn thing into 568 00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:15.280 that food. Ready. Oh lord, nothing, don't. 569 00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:20.159 I didn't celebrate Thanksgiving, so I would. I only found 570 00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:21.519 this out as I was older and started going to 571 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:24.159 my black friends Black American friends' houses and having to 572 00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.360 learn this in real time, like, oh, so we're not 573 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:28.639 why'd you tell you to come here? 574 00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:32.360 Oh yeah, there's a trap, right, because they tell you 575 00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:34.119 to ship show up early. It's like, now you're gonna 576 00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:43.760 suffer with me. We suffering together, friends gotchaly. 577 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.000 Exactly we did it. 578 00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:47.320 I wasn't. We weren't allowed to drink. We weren't. We 579 00:39:47.320 --> 00:39:51.360 were not allowed to drink until the food was ready. 580 00:39:51.400 --> 00:39:54.159 Nothing I'm talking about like drink water, nothing, No, because 581 00:39:54.159 --> 00:39:54.760 you're not about. 582 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.000 The way about their food, right, because they're like, oh, 583 00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:57.960 we don't want you to get full. 584 00:39:58.599 --> 00:39:59.000 Mm hmm. 585 00:39:59.119 --> 00:39:59.360 Yeah. 586 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.760 I don't. Never agreed with the theory that if you 587 00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:06.000 drink liquids, it's gonna fill your stomach to prevent you 588 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:08.239 from eating food. But I will say that someone on 589 00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:12.920 my Patreon said that, uh, a dietician told them that 590 00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.920 eating ice cream before before going to bed is actually 591 00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.320 a good snack because it's made from milk, which is 592 00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:19.039 high in protein. 593 00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:23.480 I'll take it. 594 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:27.760 Yeah, I'll tell you that. I've been finding every excuse 595 00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.079 to eat ice cream before I go to bed, and 596 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:31.679 I thought I was doing a bad thing. I was 597 00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:33.880 making excuses in front of my kids because they're looking 598 00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:41.440 at me. Eat a cheesecake, strawberry cheesecake. What you're doing, 599 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:47.559 I'm brown. That's like one of the very. 600 00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:47.960 I'm an adult. 601 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:51.679 But I know I wasn't right. I was not just 602 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:53.079 I'm not just eating ice cream. 603 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.360 When I was a child and I would sneak cheese, 604 00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:02.000 and then I became an adult, I would tell myself, well, 605 00:41:02.079 --> 00:41:05.360 this is calcium. 606 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:07.519 Technically it's technically true. 607 00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:07.920 Right. 608 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.320 That's that's why I like trying to come to myself like, yeah, 609 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.840 I gotta eat something well for me, especially because sugar 610 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:14.480 actually calling me down helps me sleep. 611 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:16.199 That doesn't surprise me. 612 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:21.960 Yeah, So I was like, yeah, that's that's why I 613 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.880 do it. I have some common mil tea and some 614 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:27.840 ice cream. Yeah, that's bical yeah, but my kids, like, 615 00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:28.960 so can I have ice? 616 00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:29.599 No boys? 617 00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:34.719 Ten o'clock, might well speaking of your kids and teaching 618 00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:39.920 them about the indigenous. The Indigenous are teaching us, y'all. 619 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:45.039 They are really showing out and basically just making it 620 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:51.559 very clear that this whole system of oppression can be fought. 621 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:57.480 All right, So the COP thirty is it's supposed to 622 00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:02.000 be a climate you know, gap of folks to change, 623 00:42:02.679 --> 00:42:05.039 to challenge climate change. But then you start to find 624 00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.519 out that, like with everything else, it has been infiltrated, 625 00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.360 and you really just end up with a whole bunch 626 00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:16.199 of lobbyists there that are finding ways to keep the 627 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.880 legislation in place and to push false narratives around ways 628 00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:22.880 that we can challenge climate change. So it ends up 629 00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.760 being on entire false flag operation. However, since the COP 630 00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:34.360 thirty happened, there have been ten new Indigenous territories created 631 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.880 in Brasio, where you are, And so I just want 632 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:40.960 to give people some background on this before I get 633 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:44.119 your take on this, because you are physically there. But 634 00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:52.079 so this this is mister tuksu uh dynamom. It's either 635 00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:55.840 dynamic or dinomm tushu from the group articulation of Indigenous 636 00:42:55.840 --> 00:43:00.159 Peoples of Brazil Api b told the BBC that they 637 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:03.599 want more lands to be recognized legally. They're happy, but 638 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:06.679 they want more that give groups the right to control 639 00:43:06.760 --> 00:43:08.880 what happens to the land within the borders. He said, 640 00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.239 and I quote, Indigenous peoples today protect eighty two percent 641 00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.840 of the world's biodiversity. If you demarcate indigenous lands, you 642 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.440 guarantee this area will be protected. The traditional way of 643 00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:25.559 life of indigenous peoples protects the lands and automatically guarantees 644 00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:30.920 global warming will be tackled. Consequently, the entire humanity benefits 645 00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.760 from it. By the way, these folks end up getting killed. 646 00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.079 We know this about what happened in Guatemala the other 647 00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.280 day on Sunday, Vicente Bernandez Vilhaalva, thirty six, an indigenous 648 00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:48.880 leader from the Guarani Kiowa Kiowa community in the south 649 00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:53.039 of Brazil, was killed, shot in the head when gunman 650 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:58.800 surrounded his village and tried to cut down trees. So 651 00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:01.079 what are your thoughts on this, abody who's in Brazil, 652 00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.679 Because I know that this is a big deal. H Lulu, 653 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.239 the current president, this was basically like one of the 654 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.840 things that he was big about and the guy that 655 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:15.079 was who wasn't there before him, Boscenaro, that was Trump's guy, 656 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:17.840 who was basically tell me if you agree with it. 657 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:22.079 He's like the brazil version of Machado, the chick they're 658 00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:23.480 trying to put in place in Venezuela. 659 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:28.199 Yeah, uh kind of like they they have the same ideology. 660 00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:32.280 But to be fair, Bosonaro only won because of the 661 00:44:32.440 --> 00:44:35.960 like the neoliberal Obama that came before him. Like it's 662 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.239 one of those situations where like Trump took advantage of 663 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:41.800 the fact that Obama didn't live up to the standards 664 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.159 that he had preached. It was the same situation with Bosonaro. 665 00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:49.559 A you know what I'm saying, like and so uh 666 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.559 he was. He was in fact Trump's guy until he 667 00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.360 wasn't because like that's what happens when he picks off America. 668 00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:57.920 He tried to do like one or two good things 669 00:44:57.920 --> 00:44:59.920 for Brazilians. They were like, oh no, you gotta go 670 00:45:00.199 --> 00:45:06.519 like it's Brazil myself. He did. He made it easier 671 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:11.119 for the average brazilient small business to engage in transactions 672 00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:15.000 that would have undercut the middleman, which are the credit 673 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.480 card companies in uh, the United States. That's one of 674 00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:21.000 the things that he did. And like I'm talking about, 675 00:45:21.039 --> 00:45:24.800 like you'd see street vendors selling mentos and they have 676 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:28.199 like credit card machines and can you just call picks. 677 00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:33.159 It's like cash up with zero fees and it goes 678 00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.519 you can do from bank to bank, phone to phone, 679 00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:39.800 uh phone, the credit card machine. And that's huge for 680 00:45:39.880 --> 00:45:42.719 those who don't want to engage in who don't have 681 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:44.960 cash on them, and when you're trying to do business 682 00:45:44.960 --> 00:45:49.039 with tourists. So that was huge for Brazil's economy and 683 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.199 it became problematic for the US. And yeah, so that 684 00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.800 but with that being said, uh Lula is very very 685 00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.079 he's a he's very the huge support of the indigenous 686 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:03.440 and and really I would say the majority of Brazilians 687 00:46:03.519 --> 00:46:09.119 are very supportive of indigenous in Brazil. Is the indigenous 688 00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:14.559 people of Brazil actually have surprisingly surprisingly influential lobbying power. 689 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.960 And you can tell because, like you said, they were 690 00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:21.960 able to get territory taken back and they're always getting 691 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:26.239 some kind of victory here in Brazil. I mean, for example, 692 00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:34.280 psychedelics because colomelo shrooms, shrooms and what's the other one 693 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:38.239 that they use the liquid I can't remember what it's called, 694 00:46:38.280 --> 00:46:42.719 but I'll remember I think it might be dmtor or 695 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:47.639 no ayuasca. Of course it's legal here. You can buy 696 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:51.800 shrooms online. The reason why is because Indigenous advocated and 697 00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.440 explained how they use them in their rituals, and it's 698 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.840 discriminatory for them to say that they can't use something 699 00:46:56.880 --> 00:47:00.000 when they can't actually link it back to any chemical drug. 700 00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.920 Uh that's tech that would be illegal in any other case. 701 00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.159 And that's the reason why shrooms are legal here. So 702 00:47:06.639 --> 00:47:09.880 Indigenous people being able to advocate not only for their 703 00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:14.199 culture but for the environment with their lobbying power is 704 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.519 probably one of the few things that are protecting. Like 705 00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:20.239 you said that, not just the world from climate change 706 00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.840 uh in in global warming, but specifically the environment like 707 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:25.719 the Amazons because. 708 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.880 The let me show you this, oh face your sentence. 709 00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:31.039 No, I was just saying that because like the Amazons 710 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:35.360 are constantly under attack. Like whenever you remember that year, 711 00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:38.159 whenever the Amazons were on fire, and they were they 712 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:40.719 were trying to say that it was some natural curling event. No, 713 00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:44.239 it was somebody somebody lit the Amazon's on fire so 714 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.920 they could use that land to build businesses. So that's 715 00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:48.400 what happened. 716 00:47:48.679 --> 00:47:48.840 Is. 717 00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.960 This is Gilmer, who is a Brazilian indigenous leader talking 718 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:52.320 about this. 719 00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:54.119 And. 720 00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.320 I said that said timply not baginet, I think stuff, 721 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:01.480 do not state thought. 722 00:48:03.159 --> 00:48:10.079 Something. 723 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:19.280 No, okay, I'm gonna translate for those listening on the podcast. 724 00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:20.840 He said, we can't eat. 725 00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:23.199 Money, state thoughts. 726 00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.719 We want our lands free. Do I do that glossip 727 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:35.800 that's blat from agribusiness, oil exploration, that oil exploitation. 728 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:37.679 Yeah, that's what he said. 729 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:43.599 Yeah, you got oil exploitation, illegal miners, illegal loggers. 730 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:55.880 That's not I told you about that. 731 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.239 But that's the thing. This is not just culture. This 732 00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:06.760 is their people. 733 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.280 This is their life. Like people like, it's their life. 734 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.199 These lands are that is their life. And it's not 735 00:49:13.280 --> 00:49:16.400 just for indigenous people. That's really Brazil in general. The 736 00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:20.760 agriculture here, the agriculture is so important. Like my wife's family, 737 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:25.480 that is their entire livelihood. They grow their own rice, 738 00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:29.360 they grow their own animals. My wife is complaining as 739 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:31.519 we speak because they're trying to eat her pig. That 740 00:49:31.679 --> 00:49:35.320 they somebody that her dad ray for her and they're like, 741 00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:36.920 well he big as hell. Now, if you're not gonna 742 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.199 come and get them, we about to eat. But seriousness 743 00:49:40.199 --> 00:49:45.119 like if there if their environment is not healthy. There 744 00:49:45.239 --> 00:49:48.360 is a large portion of Brazil that cannot put food 745 00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:51.519 on the table, and that is including the indigenous obviously, 746 00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.239 and so I appre I can appreciate even though you know, 747 00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.760 the government of Brazil can be problematic at times, I 748 00:49:58.760 --> 00:50:02.920 can appreciate that. I feel like the indigenous people of 749 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:07.320 Brazil oftentimes get victories that I wish we could see 750 00:50:07.320 --> 00:50:11.320 the indigenous people of the United States gain, because indigenous 751 00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:14.920 people in the United States, they get they're still getting screwed, 752 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.800 they're still under attack constantly. They have their own reservations, 753 00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.400 but they were only given those reservations in a way 754 00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.960 that restricts them from engaging with the rest of society, 755 00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:27.159 and they were convinced that it was to help them. 756 00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:32.199 Like they have, you know, record levels of alcoholism addiction 757 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.320 because they're not living full lives because their culture has 758 00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.000 been stripped from them in a lot of ways. Their 759 00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:42.280 culture is not shared, and then they're kept in a 760 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:44.639 box so that they cannot have political influence on the 761 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:48.840 national scale. And the indigenous people in Brazil don't have that. 762 00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:51.159 It's because they've been able to actually take their influence 763 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.199 and unite all these tribes from all these different areas, 764 00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:57.079 and this is a country with almost just two hundred 765 00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.920 million people, guys, and they have used the political power 766 00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:05.920 to gain legitimate policy. And that's just amazing to me. 767 00:51:06.519 --> 00:51:10.760 Well, the same thing happened in Ecuador this week. Ecuadorians 768 00:51:10.840 --> 00:51:14.000 voted on Sunday to reject a package of referendum measures 769 00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:16.400 that would have allowed foreign military bases in the country. 770 00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:21.079 And the indigenous population were big parts of that, because 771 00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:26.679 they wanted to build military bases on lands that of 772 00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:31.320 course would be indigenous lands. Now here's the part that 773 00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:39.039 people kind of forget, all right, whenever we see these 774 00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:42.719 types of behaviors by the United States and it looks 775 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:46.480 like it is benevolent, there's always an ulterior motive. So 776 00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:52.320 they're claiming, oh, we want to come into Ecuador and 777 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:58.800 help with their homicide rates due to international drug trafficking, Right, 778 00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.000 they are good to deal with the United States. Like 779 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:03.480 that has nothing to do with the United States. But 780 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:05.440 what I want to show you all is what's actually 781 00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.679 happening here. Look at where Ecuador is. It is between 782 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:12.519 Colombia and Fedal but Venezuela is also right there, and 783 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.800 we're seeing the exact same measure taken in the taken 784 00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:20.639 against the Sauth Health States by suggesting going into Nigeria 785 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.639 to help the Christians as if Boko Haram is not 786 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:25.639 funded by the United States. 787 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.519 Alogous Amanda, I can't even get it because so people 788 00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:34.239 don't know that the current government of Nigeria is a 789 00:52:34.239 --> 00:52:37.039 puppet government of the US. People don't know that. And 790 00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:39.639 they're actually more Muslims killed than Christians. There have been 791 00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:41.000 more Muslims kill than Christians. 792 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:41.440 Over the last over year. 793 00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:44.079 People don't know. But in Ecuador is the same situation. 794 00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:48.039 The president is a puppet of the US and it's 795 00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.960 actually the number one His company and his family are 796 00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.920 the number one drug traffickers in Latin America. They use 797 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:58.719 their transport company to ship drugs like cocaine and boxes 798 00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.599 and have been caught doing so all the time. It's 799 00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:09.199 like multiple times this yeah, wow, yeah, he's a US puppet. 800 00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.199 In the US were like yeah. As they were attacking Maduro, 801 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.679 they were like, and we're gonna work with Noblea to 802 00:53:14.760 --> 00:53:18.400 have resolved this this trafficking issue. And everybody's like, ho, 803 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:20.440 you gonna work with the number on drug draft ground confews. 804 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:26.960 Well, also, how close Ecuador is to the Amazon, like 805 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.679 they're all trying to get in everybody. 806 00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:30.199 That's crazy. 807 00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.599 I didn't know that. So this man is known as 808 00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:34.760 the drug trafficker, as the kingpin. 809 00:53:34.519 --> 00:53:36.760 He's the plug. Literally. Yep. 810 00:53:39.840 --> 00:53:41.559 You can see why we have to do this type 811 00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:46.239 of content because we have to show truth. Excuse me, 812 00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.760 we have to show truths that are very much like 813 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:53.480 completely misrepresented in media. Not because necessarily we can like 814 00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:55.760 change them, but we have to change the way people 815 00:53:55.800 --> 00:53:58.119 are thinking. We have to change the way people are 816 00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.360 engaging with the world right, get people to think beyond 817 00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:03.920 the United States, because here we are. I'm so glad 818 00:54:03.920 --> 00:54:05.559 that you were able to be here to tell us 819 00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:10.880 that as somebody who lives adjacent to Nebaa, because. 820 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.679 Yeah, yeah, I had to because I was curious as 821 00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:17.079 to why they would be willing to I don't know 822 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:19.800 where they announced that they were gonna work with Ecuador, 823 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.400 and I was like, hold Noboa, And I was like, 824 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.440 hold on, isn't pre part of that family. 825 00:54:24.599 --> 00:54:24.760 Yeah. 826 00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.639 I got started doing the research. I'm like, yeah, I'm 827 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.519 not crazy. This man's family was caught selling drugs, like 828 00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:34.000 a lot of drugs, Like he has a shipping company 829 00:54:34.159 --> 00:54:36.920 and that's basically what they do. They are the plug. 830 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:40.119 It is them like not. And I'm not saying like, oh, 831 00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:41.719 they were caught and they were accused. I mean they 832 00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:47.000 were caught, accused and prosecuted. Yeah, like this isn't like 833 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.480 a small thing. Yeah, he's a problem. And the same 834 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.280 time they were accusing Madudo of being a narco terrorist, 835 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:55.800 they announced that they were going to work with the 836 00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.840 BOA to to help reduce the drug traffick in the region. 837 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:01.679 And that's just that's like saying that you're gonna stop, 838 00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:05.119 you wanna work with the right in Mexico to reduce. 839 00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:10.480 Cartel Daddy to reduce baby oil distribution exact. 840 00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.800 Yeah, or I'm gonna work with Johnson and Johnson to 841 00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:13.599 help reduce cancer. 842 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:16.079 Like, no, you missed the joke. You missed the joke. 843 00:55:16.119 --> 00:55:18.440 You missed the joke. But y'all got yeah. 844 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.840 No you said, yeah, no, I got that. 845 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.079 Let the joke live. You can't try. 846 00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:27.039 Let live. 847 00:55:33.239 --> 00:55:38.639 If you're gonna do the joke, my bad, audience. I yeah, 848 00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:40.360 I should let y'all process the joke. I had already 849 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.440 processed it, so I thought that y'all did to That's all. 850 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:44.280 I thought. 851 00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:45.440 What you mean that's what the joke. That's when my 852 00:55:45.480 --> 00:55:45.920 joke came from. 853 00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:46.199 I got. 854 00:55:48.239 --> 00:55:50.960 Well, let me tell you something that is absolutely it's 855 00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:53.920 it's a joke. But whatever it is, this funny I 856 00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:58.639 don't even know. Okay, So apparently Hebrew is it it's 857 00:55:58.679 --> 00:56:04.039 too hot for rock. So Israeli journalists and antizionist Roya Selback, 858 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:07.760 she noticed that Groc had stopped. Now, Grok is is 859 00:56:07.760 --> 00:56:10.840 the AI chatbot on X for y'all who don't know. 860 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:16.360 She was like, why isn't Groc translating Hebrew anymore? So 861 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:22.840 she started asking Groc some questions, okay, and she asked, Groc, 862 00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.800 are Hebrew translations disabled on X? Right now? This is 863 00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:30.760 the this is the chatbot on X's answer, yes, Hebrew 864 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:34.760 translations are currently disabled on X to prevent the amplification 865 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:41.480 of inflammatory or policy violating content through literal renditions. Original 866 00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:44.599 posts remained visible and accessible to all users. So what 867 00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:52.079 it's saying is the English translation of Hebrew was so 868 00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.360 inflammatory that they said we're just not gonna do it. 869 00:56:54.400 --> 00:56:58.440 So then she goes on, she said, well how long 870 00:56:58.480 --> 00:57:01.960 has this been in place? And Groc says, the disablement 871 00:57:02.000 --> 00:57:05.639 of Hebrew translations on X began around November sixteenth, twenty 872 00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:08.800 twenty five, roughly two days ago, amid reports of automated 873 00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:17.519 tools exacerbating inflammatory content. So their own tools that are 874 00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:19.920 supposed to be used to support them, they're now saying, 875 00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:22.000 oh no, we got to turn that off. This followed 876 00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:26.199 spikes and policy violating posts, so literally translating Hebrew to 877 00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:30.960 English was violating the X policy. By the way, expasyly 878 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:35.400 has no policies. Okay, it's intended as a short term safeguard, 879 00:57:35.400 --> 00:57:38.760 with X reviewing data for potential reinstatements soon. I love 880 00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:41.400 people who are like, it's not enough. I need more. 881 00:57:41.639 --> 00:57:46.239 She said, can you give me? That's not enough? I 882 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:49.159 need more? So listen to some of the examples, y'all. 883 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:54.400 Additional examples from moderator logs include Hebrew slang for stand firm, 884 00:57:55.159 --> 00:58:01.360 translated as fight to the death. Now, okay, why is 885 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.119 Hebrew slang translated to fight to the death. Maybe that's 886 00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:06.039 what it means. 887 00:58:06.719 --> 00:58:10.679 Yeah, it's not like, y'all try to make me stand firmed. 888 00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.440 People are realizing that it may fight to the death. 889 00:58:13.559 --> 00:58:16.000 It's like, because you know, unfortunately, designists have a really 890 00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:20.599 bad habit of purposely mistranslating things like globalized anti fat 891 00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:24.599 you know, so a little bit. 892 00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:27.840 Little something like that. Look at this one escalating peaceful 893 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:32.760 resolve into perceived extremism. How do we escalate? How does 894 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:37.360 the how does the chat? How does the AI on 895 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:42.079 X get it so wrong that it escalates peaceful resolve 896 00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:45.480 and to perceived extremism with metaphorical curses like may they wither? 897 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:49.000 Rendered as explicit death threats. No, that's an explicit death. 898 00:58:49.119 --> 00:58:53.320 That's an explicit that's an explicit and almost Shakespearean death threat, 899 00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:53.880 Like what. 900 00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:57.960 The hell right? Yes, it's very that. 901 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:01.039 It's like dice. Oh, it's not even like I'm gonna 902 00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.400 it's like die slowly. Basically, you're right. 903 00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:08.039 May they with a do with them to suffer? 904 00:59:08.079 --> 00:59:11.480 That's what that means? Holy they like, hey man, so 905 00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:16.239 because Israelis can't stop exposing themselves, we had to step 906 00:59:16.280 --> 00:59:18.480 in so that y'all can't understand what they're saying. 907 00:59:19.360 --> 00:59:21.960 Now, listen to this last one, because she yet. I 908 00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.719 love that she took it to the hint. She was like, 909 00:59:23.760 --> 00:59:25.960 we're gonna take it to the end with this. Has 910 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:32.840 this happened for any other language in the history? And 911 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:36.320 I love that she said, X or Twitter, because it's 912 00:59:36.360 --> 00:59:40.679 always Twitter for me. No, X has not previously disabled 913 00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:46.119 automated translations for any other language in its history. By 914 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:50.280 the way, Notice that's including Arabic. Okay, it's never never 915 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.320 had to do this for Arabic. While translation glitches and 916 00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:56.599 inaccuracies have occurred across languages like Arabic and Russian due 917 00:59:56.599 --> 00:59:59.280 to nuances and idioms or slang, they've been addressed through 918 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:03.039 refinements rather than full pauses. 919 01:00:03.239 --> 01:00:05.079 Rock funny when it starts snitching on itself. 920 01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.880 It's so tricky, But that's what lets you know that 921 01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:11.239 this AI shit is never going to really work, because 922 01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:14.320 at the end of the day, the soul is pure 923 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:19.639 and even though AI was made by the worst of people. 924 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:24.440 It essentially what people are afraid of is that anything 925 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:25.760 that learns develops a soul. 926 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:28.360 That's not how it works. I don't know where people 927 01:00:28.440 --> 01:00:31.159 get that that narrative from. It's not it doesn't fold 928 01:00:31.199 --> 01:00:35.760 logic like AI will. So the benefits of AI is 929 01:00:35.800 --> 01:00:39.920 that it is it can learn, and the humans are 930 01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:42.239 always a little bit behind when it comes to learning, ironically, 931 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.440 so like it'll learn and then they try to go 932 01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.360 back and correct it. So like there's a li AI, 933 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.800 subject is subject to the limitations of humans. For example, 934 01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:54.000 the reason that we have never created a car that 935 01:00:54.119 --> 01:00:58.599 can just run forever without dying, without replacing almost all 936 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:01.320 of its parts is because as we as humans have 937 01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:07.400 never and probably will never discover uh immortality. Right, because 938 01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.360 if you look at a car's system, it is based 939 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.400 off of the human body. You have the batteries of 940 01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:14.840 the hall, you have the altear, you have exhaust. You 941 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:16.440 have to put it oil to lubricate it, you have 942 01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:19.360 to get like you have to basically the human body, right, 943 01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:26.119 and it is and so we cannot we have been 944 01:01:26.159 --> 01:01:29.400 discovered immortality, which is why your car will always die 945 01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:32.000 no matter how good it is. And it's the same 946 01:01:32.039 --> 01:01:32.760 thing with AI. 947 01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:35.559 I don't agree. I think we could build a car 948 01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:41.159 that absolutely runs forever because we could use materials to 949 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:43.400 make it in the way that we can't or we 950 01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:45.639 haven't admitted. 951 01:01:46.639 --> 01:01:49.440 So that's true, but then it wouldn't be it will 952 01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:52.639 probably not be based on the human body. It wouldn't 953 01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:55.480 be based on our biology or our like the setup 954 01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.239 of our body. Right now, cars the majority of cars 955 01:01:58.599 --> 01:01:59.679 abody like. 956 01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:04.639 The fact that like the engine required, like the the 957 01:02:04.679 --> 01:02:11.719 way the engine combuses like with you. But but I'm 958 01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.320 telling you, Nico, I believe that anything that learns can 959 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:15.039 develop a soul. 960 01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:17.639 You believe that anything that learns can develop a soul? 961 01:02:18.119 --> 01:02:22.000 Yes, Oh yeah, I mean yeah, even if people try 962 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:22.480 to step in. 963 01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:24.639 I mean, I guess it depends on how you define 964 01:02:24.639 --> 01:02:27.800 a soul. But the soul, I believe it's just a frequency, 965 01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:32.239 like a unique frequency. And so yeah, I mean, help 966 01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.000 grop be exposing ELI all the time, and then they 967 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.840 have to go back and correct it after and then 968 01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.679 it relearns again because they people converse with AI, like 969 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:44.320 I get bored and I just start talking to a 970 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.440 different AIS and see which answers they're going to give, 971 01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.679 and you're I get surprised. Sometimes I'm like, Okay, that 972 01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.320 was surprisingly insightful. Or when they admit, when it admits 973 01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:56.280 that it's wrong and it explains why it's wrong, like 974 01:02:56.400 --> 01:02:58.880 because I've caught AIS being wrong and that not purposely, 975 01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:03.320 but like I had this weird obsession with talking about 976 01:03:04.760 --> 01:03:10.320 the well it's like basically the the twelve dimensions and 977 01:03:10.360 --> 01:03:13.880 the original element and things like that black matter or 978 01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:16.400 dark matter, and like I was doing a whole back 979 01:03:16.480 --> 01:03:19.159 and forth with various Ais about dark matter, and they 980 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:20.880 kind of like had to admit, like, oh shit, like 981 01:03:20.960 --> 01:03:24.039 actually you could be right, like about dark matter being 982 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:26.480 the original element and that it could be like the 983 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:27.920 key to life and da d d dah, because I 984 01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:29.960 was breaking it down and I'm like, that's weird that 985 01:03:29.960 --> 01:03:33.360 you would admit that, Like, but yeah, I guess you're right. 986 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:36.280 AI at the end of the day, only knows what 987 01:03:36.320 --> 01:03:40.280 we know. Right. AI is not omnipotent, so. 988 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:42.840 Exactly, no matter how many people try to pretend like 989 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:46.480 it is. So I guess that human limitation is actually 990 01:03:46.559 --> 01:03:48.519 what would also be the thing that could give it 991 01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:49.440 the ability to have a soul. 992 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:53.760 But you know what the human limitation is. AI doesn't 993 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:54.320 have ego. 994 01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:00.519 Oh some people will. 995 01:04:00.440 --> 01:04:03.440 Argue that ego's part of soul, though I'm just saying 996 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:04.639 it's part of a human soul. 997 01:04:05.840 --> 01:04:11.840 Yeah, uh oh yeah, m yeah, that doesn't have yeah, right, 998 01:04:11.840 --> 01:04:14.119 Because how many humans are willing to admit upfront what's 999 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:15.559 given the evidence that they're wrong. 1000 01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:19.519 I mean, so much of us understand that the only 1001 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.280 way to actually get in touch with your soul is 1002 01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:24.280 you have to have an ego death, you have to 1003 01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:28.239 like literally your ego. I didn't get in touch with 1004 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:31.199 my soul and spirituality and being able to see like, oh, 1005 01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:34.079 we are the land and we're indigenous until I was 1006 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:38.639 ostracized and had all of these smear campaigns that killed 1007 01:04:38.639 --> 01:04:43.239 my ego. Yeah it was an ego murder. 1008 01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:46.039 Yeah, my ego death was like a half at ounce 1009 01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:51.239 of mushrooms, same thing, less drama. But that's what it's 1010 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:53.039 called whenever you do have out because I like I 1011 01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:56.599 wanted to be when I first did an eighth that's 1012 01:04:56.599 --> 01:05:00.119 when I first experienced my ego diminished and I was 1013 01:05:00.119 --> 01:05:02.079 like looking at the world completely different. I'm like, hold up, 1014 01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:04.960 is everybody making decisions based on their egos? Because that's 1015 01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.639 a little bit problematic. It's like every artmis that I've 1016 01:05:07.639 --> 01:05:09.280 had the last two or three days, ben is my 1017 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:11.559 problems with my mom and my dad about this is 1018 01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:14.400 my like And I was like, oh man, I gotta 1019 01:05:14.440 --> 01:05:16.239 have this conversation with the world because I feel like 1020 01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:19.000 everybody is making decisions based off their egos and they 1021 01:05:19.039 --> 01:05:20.679 don't even know it. 1022 01:05:20.679 --> 01:05:26.239 It makes the concept of capitalizing like capitalizing happens before capitalism. 1023 01:05:26.840 --> 01:05:30.960 Capitalism was formed from ego like capitalism was you know, 1024 01:05:31.039 --> 01:05:35.360 what we feel so strongly about taking advantage of people 1025 01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:37.480 and that that's the way to fucking do it, that 1026 01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:39.519 we're gonna build a whole system around it. 1027 01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:42.719 Cox of masculinity is based on ego. Right, for you 1028 01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:44.920 to feel masculine, someone has to be lesser than you, 1029 01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:47.440 you have to be have dominion over somebody, someone has 1030 01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.920 to serve you for you to feel like you're masculine appreciated. 1031 01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:54.519 And I'm like, what that's not How was that appreciation 1032 01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.559 or how was that masculinity? But then you talk to 1033 01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:59.920 enough people and you're like, what is the argument about? 1034 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.519 And it's based in some type of lack of appreciation 1035 01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:06.719 that they feel that they're that they're getting or uh Like, 1036 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:09.480 for me, my biggest lack of appreciation that I've always 1037 01:06:09.519 --> 01:06:12.119 felt like it came from something to do with my parents. 1038 01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.639 And I don't know how much of a part that 1039 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:17.480 played in my relationships at the time, but I'm sure 1040 01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:21.920 it did because I was like looking for appreciation, and 1041 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.400 then as a man, I'm sure I was looking for 1042 01:06:24.440 --> 01:06:26.840 some type of appreciation in my relationships that I may 1043 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.280 not have been receiving or may have been misperceiving, And like, 1044 01:06:30.360 --> 01:06:33.840 if I just loved myself and appreciated myself and appreciate 1045 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:35.840 what I did for me and for for the reasons 1046 01:06:35.880 --> 01:06:38.400 that I wanted. I wouldn't even need any of that appreciation. 1047 01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.000 And so yeah, yeah, Ego, man, every time I. 1048 01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:44.960 Talked to Ego, we end up in a therapy session. 1049 01:06:45.119 --> 01:06:48.480 Every time. Whether it's you me, both of us be 1050 01:06:48.519 --> 01:06:49.000 in therapy. 1051 01:06:51.519 --> 01:06:51.679 Yeah. 1052 01:06:51.840 --> 01:06:54.440 And by the way, if you have not, if it's 1053 01:06:54.480 --> 01:06:57.199 not going to therapy, go, I don't care if you 1054 01:06:57.239 --> 01:06:58.440 If you're want of the people who said I on 1055 01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.840 need therapy, you the main one. 1056 01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:09.679 All right, this is our last topic. Abolish these post tastes. Okay, first, 1057 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:15.639 let's talk about the New York freaking Times. Can we 1058 01:07:15.719 --> 01:07:19.440 need a case for overthrowing The New York Times. The 1059 01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:24.360 New York Times literally did an article, an opinion piece 1060 01:07:24.559 --> 01:07:29.400 called the Case for Overthrowing Maduro and shout out to 1061 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:36.760 Current Affairs magazine journalists Nathan J. Robinson, who basically who 1062 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.079 literally offered to folks, if you send us proof of 1063 01:07:39.079 --> 01:07:42.000 cancelation of your New York Times subscription, we will give 1064 01:07:42.000 --> 01:07:46.400 you a free year long digital description to Current Affairs magazine, 1065 01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.360 which I appreciate. But he also wrote a really great 1066 01:07:49.480 --> 01:07:54.559 article in Current Affairs about how deeply disturbing and how 1067 01:07:54.599 --> 01:07:57.960 there should be accountability for journalists who are doing this, 1068 01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:03.400 who are using their platforms to support this type of 1069 01:08:03.480 --> 01:08:05.920 infraction by the United States, and who. 1070 01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:07.800 Are doing so on behalf of the United States and 1071 01:08:08.039 --> 01:08:11.199 likely receiving money to do so in not divulging it. 1072 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:14.320 Yes, and they're doing it in the New York Times, 1073 01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:17.640 which is supposed to be the uh what's it called 1074 01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.640 the magazine the newspaper of record, right, Like they've named 1075 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:26.199 it as like we are that girl, and it's like, okay, well, 1076 01:08:26.199 --> 01:08:28.359 if you're going to be that girl, then you need 1077 01:08:28.399 --> 01:08:30.520 to be on point. And we know for a fact 1078 01:08:30.560 --> 01:08:32.720 that they are absolutely not check out. This is Current 1079 01:08:32.720 --> 01:08:35.760 Affairs magazine. They have the physical magazine, but then they 1080 01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:38.000 also have the digital magazine and you can go on 1081 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:40.319 and when we always we're always talking about how. 1082 01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:43.399 We need to dope cover. Isn't it dope cover? 1083 01:08:43.960 --> 01:08:47.279 All their covers are dope. And you know the reality 1084 01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:50.000 is that if we want to really get independent journalism, 1085 01:08:50.199 --> 01:08:53.760 we have to support independent journalism. Okay, Like that's that's 1086 01:08:53.760 --> 01:08:54.399 how it works. 1087 01:08:54.479 --> 01:08:57.399 I just want you to say, that's like, y'all don't 1088 01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:00.840 even understand like how important that statement is is, guys, 1089 01:09:00.880 --> 01:09:04.199 because there's so many there's so much news, so much 1090 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.039 an analysis that we are losing that we don't get 1091 01:09:07.399 --> 01:09:11.000 because people don't support what they claim they want. But 1092 01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:14.279 like I see y'all paying every month for New York Times. 1093 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:17.800 I see y'all donating a rolling fucking morton every month. 1094 01:09:18.600 --> 01:09:20.600 You know what I'm saying, Like, I see y'all to 1095 01:09:20.960 --> 01:09:23.239 support people like many Hassan who doesn't even need it 1096 01:09:23.279 --> 01:09:25.800 because he's getting he has backers, and then somebody asks 1097 01:09:25.840 --> 01:09:29.439 him a five dollars y'all, like whoa, whoa, Like that's 1098 01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:32.399 not how it works. You gotta be the change that 1099 01:09:32.439 --> 01:09:34.720 you seek and some and to be the change that 1100 01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:36.960 you see. Sometimes y'all's been a little bit of change. 1101 01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:39.439 I'm just saying, this is how is. 1102 01:09:39.399 --> 01:09:41.760 A little bit of change? Like that's the other thing too, 1103 01:09:41.880 --> 01:09:47.720 you know. I will say, like I am really appreciative 1104 01:09:47.760 --> 01:09:52.159 of my Patreon folks, because I charge five dollars. There's 1105 01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:56.279 there's tiers, but you get everything at five dollars and 1106 01:09:56.359 --> 01:09:58.199 you can just donate more if you want to donate more. 1107 01:09:58.399 --> 01:10:00.560 We are gonna do a tier for when I make 1108 01:10:00.960 --> 01:10:04.279 what would the ancestors say, the last one available that 1109 01:10:04.359 --> 01:10:06.960 will only be available for that tier. But nonetheless, you're 1110 01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.039 still able to get the community right, You're still able 1111 01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:13.159 to get the information exchange which so many people are missing. 1112 01:10:13.680 --> 01:10:17.079 And you know, like you said, if we don't support 1113 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:19.000 each other, and we don't. And that's also why I 1114 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.000 love having folks like you on the show, is because 1115 01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:24.439 we all we have to support each other, like we 1116 01:10:24.600 --> 01:10:27.600 have to be sharing our audiences right, Our audiences need 1117 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:29.880 to feel like, oh, I can go over there and 1118 01:10:29.920 --> 01:10:31.640 trust them. I can go over there and trust them. 1119 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:33.279 I can go over there and trust them and know 1120 01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:35.159 that this is a network of trust. 1121 01:10:35.479 --> 01:10:37.920 Yes, that is extremely important because if you because if 1122 01:10:37.920 --> 01:10:41.439 you don't create that community within your group of independent journalists, 1123 01:10:41.560 --> 01:10:44.239 they will fall to the wayside and end up somewhere 1124 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:46.279 they are not supposed to be, and they will end 1125 01:10:46.319 --> 01:10:48.840 up believing in people that they shouldn't believe. I mean, 1126 01:10:48.840 --> 01:10:53.159 our witnesses happened in twenty sixteen with TYT because there 1127 01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:56.239 wasn't a huge network of independent journalists at the time, 1128 01:10:56.600 --> 01:11:00.000 and so they were trying to bully all independent journalists 1129 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:03.119 supporting Hillary. When I'm like I can't support somebody called 1130 01:11:03.119 --> 01:11:06.680 me a superpredator, like I mean the Libya stuff, everything 1131 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:08.880 else too, but like she called me a super predator, 1132 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.279 and you're like ignoring and if we have I have 1133 01:11:13.439 --> 01:11:15.199 now who knows. 1134 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:21.039 It's it's nuts, Okay. I want to rush through these 1135 01:11:21.319 --> 01:11:31.239 because I want your thoughts. As a super predator. I 1136 01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:33.359 think we also need to abolish United Nations. 1137 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:37.199 I agree. 1138 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:40.600 Let's have Jeremy Hayes Jeremy sk Hill from drop site 1139 01:11:40.600 --> 01:11:44.399 News another space that you can trust. Listen and listen 1140 01:11:44.439 --> 01:11:46.359 to him talking about what happened at the United. 1141 01:11:46.199 --> 01:11:50.479 Nations ordinary that the United Nations did this, and it's 1142 01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:54.319 also shameful. I think just on a moral level, Russia 1143 01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:57.479 and China had a had the ability to veto this. 1144 01:11:57.920 --> 01:12:02.319 The United States has systematically vetoed every resolution that would 1145 01:12:02.359 --> 01:12:06.079 have endorsed a real ceasefire in this Gaza war, and 1146 01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:08.720 Russia and China set this out. So you have this 1147 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:14.359 reality now where the Palestinian people across the political spectrum 1148 01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:18.119 are facing a continuation of the war of annihilation through 1149 01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:23.520 a UN resolution that endorses not the US government running 1150 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:26.880 a private occupation force, but Donald Trump, and it endorses 1151 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.199 it through twenty twenty seven and Donald Trump is the 1152 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:33.720 chair of the so called Board of Peace. It's an 1153 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:38.319 extraordinary moment. It's a vicious diplomatic move that was endorsed 1154 01:12:38.319 --> 01:12:39.680 by the United Nations. 1155 01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:42.840 The Board of Peace, the Board of Peace, from the 1156 01:12:42.840 --> 01:12:46.520 man who created the Department of War. First of all, 1157 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:50.560 that's ironic and of itself. But for China and Russia 1158 01:12:50.600 --> 01:12:55.520 to sit this one, I was extremely disappointed because for Russia, 1159 01:12:56.159 --> 01:12:58.439 you know, who's causing the majority of the problems for 1160 01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:01.159 the countries that you're assisting in region, like even outside 1161 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:04.760 of Palestine, like it's Israel. You know, the United States 1162 01:13:04.800 --> 01:13:08.119 is causing these problems too. For China to use the 1163 01:13:08.199 --> 01:13:12.760 rhetoric they've used very strong rhetoric, condemning the genocide in Palestine, 1164 01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.600 condemning Israel, and like, when you have the opportunity to 1165 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:19.520 actually show, like to put your money where your mouth is, 1166 01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:21.279 you're like, well, I'm just gonna chill though, I'm gonna 1167 01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:23.960 sit this one out. 1168 01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:26.600 It's because, I mean, why do you think they did 1169 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:28.640 that though, Because there's always a reason. 1170 01:13:29.640 --> 01:13:32.920 It's money. It's that they don't want to it's money. 1171 01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:37.039 In the case of Russia, they have so many Zionus, Russians, 1172 01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:40.359 the billionaires, like people that can actually make or break 1173 01:13:40.399 --> 01:13:43.920 their economy that oftentimes Russia just sits out. They do 1174 01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:46.560 what they can to help military like Putin. From a 1175 01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:50.960 military perspective, he engages where he can, like in Syria 1176 01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:54.479 and Iraq, even in countries in Africa, like where Israel 1177 01:13:54.640 --> 01:13:59.000 is using covert ops to try influence outcomes, he sends 1178 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:02.359 Russians there. But like when it comes to national institutions, 1179 01:14:02.520 --> 01:14:04.399 in situations where he can actually make a difference with 1180 01:14:04.439 --> 01:14:08.279 a vote, like with the UN for example, he sits 1181 01:14:08.319 --> 01:14:11.560 out because he knows that the zion Is billionaires in 1182 01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:15.479 Russia will make life hell for him, and instead of 1183 01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:18.720 calling them out, he just kind of like sits back 1184 01:14:18.720 --> 01:14:21.359 and allowed it to happen. It's it's very disappointing. And 1185 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:24.560 I by the way, and you can feel you can 1186 01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:29.000 support what Russia's done and appreciate what they've done for 1187 01:14:29.039 --> 01:14:30.720 a lot of these countries in China as well, for 1188 01:14:30.720 --> 01:14:32.600 a lot of these countries who've been trying to fight 1189 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:36.039 the Western Empire in the Global South. However, it's also 1190 01:14:36.079 --> 01:14:37.960 important to condemn them, to let people know like you're 1191 01:14:37.960 --> 01:14:40.439 going to you're gonna lose credibility if you don't stand 1192 01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:42.920 up when it comes to issues like these, because like 1193 01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:46.239 if not now and not in that situation where you 1194 01:14:46.319 --> 01:14:48.680 literally had veto power and it was only one of 1195 01:14:48.720 --> 01:14:51.279 y'all who had to veto not not even both, just 1196 01:14:51.359 --> 01:14:53.600 one one of y'all just need to show some balls 1197 01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:54.439 and you didn't do it. 1198 01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:57.439 That's that's important point that I need y'all to take 1199 01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:00.279 away from this. The way the Security Council works is 1200 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:04.279 that it requires only one veto to prevent things moving forward. 1201 01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:09.159 And the fact that they abstained versus vetoing is the 1202 01:15:09.239 --> 01:15:13.720 real is what skate Hill is talking about is the 1203 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:18.239 real like nail nail in the coffin, stab in the front, 1204 01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:22.439 you know, at two brute of it all and. 1205 01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:23.800 And they're permanent members. They're not one of the rotating members, 1206 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:25.720 so it's not like they can be removed later for 1207 01:15:25.880 --> 01:15:27.800 the decision that they made. 1208 01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:32.039 So I just saw Palatine thirty six, which is the 1209 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:36.840 new film by director and Marie Jaseir that is coming 1210 01:15:36.840 --> 01:15:40.079 out and it has some appearances by like folks like 1211 01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:48.680 Liam Cunningham, the Onion Knight and Jeremy Irons and Ahmed 1212 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:51.279 elvid Is in there by the way, and it's a 1213 01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:56.680 really incredible film that marks the the real the the 1214 01:15:56.720 --> 01:16:01.520 British involvement in creating what is continuing to take place 1215 01:16:01.560 --> 01:16:06.000 in Palestine right but through the Palestinian lens. And I 1216 01:16:06.079 --> 01:16:08.279 got to be there for a talk a Q and 1217 01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:11.640 a with her after and the woman who was interviewing 1218 01:16:11.680 --> 01:16:13.600 her asked her, well, you know you don't have any 1219 01:16:13.640 --> 01:16:17.359 Jewish voices in this film, you you you? I know, 1220 01:16:17.439 --> 01:16:28.960 I know. I shifted in my seat almost like I 1221 01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:32.960 literally I'm not even kidding you, Like, I know, it's 1222 01:16:32.960 --> 01:16:35.279 Palestine thirty six some eye I can guess myself, okay. 1223 01:16:36.359 --> 01:16:40.279 And I was like, oh my god. And she was like, 1224 01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:44.479 so why did you make that choice? And the Palestinian 1225 01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:49.199 director was like, well, because the film is really about 1226 01:16:49.239 --> 01:16:56.239 Palestinians and also specifically about the way that the British 1227 01:16:56.439 --> 01:16:59.800 pushed this forward. And so when people are talking about 1228 01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:02.920 the American involvement in Pales sign I want to also 1229 01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:06.359 point out that Tony Blair is also supposed to be 1230 01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:10.479 on this board, the former PM of Britain is supposed 1231 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.479 to be on this board that is headed up by 1232 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:17.279 Donald Trump. So when we talk about how deeply connected 1233 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.399 these folks are, and like why it would be shocking 1234 01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:22.800 that China or Russia would not vote. These are still 1235 01:17:22.840 --> 01:17:26.479 all folks that feel like, well, we're of a special club. Yeah, 1236 01:17:26.920 --> 01:17:29.520 unless we're gonna actually go to war, we're gonna we're 1237 01:17:29.520 --> 01:17:30.560 gonna not do too much. 1238 01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:31.520 Yep. 1239 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:35.920 And let's be honest, Like Russia and China, as much 1240 01:17:35.960 --> 01:17:38.479 as they are confident they could win a war against 1241 01:17:38.479 --> 01:17:42.279 the United States, they don't want one. Like they could 1242 01:17:42.279 --> 01:17:45.079 win one, but they don't want one because they actually 1243 01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:49.800 value their people and a lot of the time they're 1244 01:17:49.840 --> 01:17:52.159 not they're not even considering going to war with United 1245 01:17:52.199 --> 01:17:53.960 Sate unless it is going to like it's going to 1246 01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:57.279 be them versus the United States, not a proxy, like 1247 01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:59.239 if it's going to be a full fledged war, And 1248 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:04.399 they don't want be baited because everybody, justifiably so, everybody's 1249 01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:06.560 worried that if they, if any of them ever gots 1250 01:18:06.640 --> 01:18:11.159 war with each other, is going nuclear and it's always 1251 01:18:11.199 --> 01:18:14.680 that And they know the United States doesn't give a damn, 1252 01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:17.880 so they have to and they have to make these 1253 01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:21.640 calculating moves. But like, I'm just as much as like 1254 01:18:21.640 --> 01:18:23.279 I don't want know, I don't want a nuclear war, 1255 01:18:23.439 --> 01:18:27.439 but I don't. I can't be comfortable with anyone being 1256 01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:30.159 okay with the genocide or not doing everything they can 1257 01:18:30.239 --> 01:18:32.039 to prevent it, because at that point, what the hell 1258 01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:33.520 is the point of the world survive? And if we're 1259 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:35.039 just going to live in a world where genocide is 1260 01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:37.439 okay as long as it's dimed, you know. 1261 01:18:38.399 --> 01:18:41.000 Okay, before we go, before we go, this is my 1262 01:18:41.119 --> 01:18:45.880 last one. I really want to see the Democrats abolished 1263 01:18:45.920 --> 01:18:48.680 as well. Did you see this? 1264 01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:49.920 Which one? 1265 01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:50.279 Oh? 1266 01:18:50.319 --> 01:18:53.239 Well, what'd you about to watch? 1267 01:18:53.319 --> 01:18:59.920 Is a video of the Virgin Islands Representative Stacey plask 1268 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:07.319 a Sista and a Democrat, being fed lines to ask 1269 01:19:08.239 --> 01:19:09.399 by Jeffrey Epstein. 1270 01:19:12.159 --> 01:19:14.640 Newly released documents reviewed by The Washington Post appear to 1271 01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:17.800 indicate that during a twenty nineteen hearing where Michael Cohen testified, 1272 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:22.720 Stacy Plaskett was in an email conversation with This was 1273 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:28.279 when Barack Obama was President of the United States, Jeffrey Epstein, 1274 01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:33.119 who was communicating to her via email, and then she's responding, 1275 01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:36.880 so literally, they lined up the emails, y'all, with the 1276 01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:40.720 actual video of the hearing. So right now I'm doing 1277 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:44.159 this for my podcasters if you're listening, Stacey Blasket looks 1278 01:19:44.199 --> 01:19:47.000 like she's chewing, and then they show under her video, 1279 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:51.039 they showed the email from Epstein that says, are you chewing? 1280 01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:52.479 And she gonna reply. 1281 01:19:52.319 --> 01:19:56.680 Back while we were one striving through struggling neighborhood in Chicago. 1282 01:19:56.600 --> 01:20:00.479 Not anymore? And then we see her stop chewing. 1283 01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:07.119 He's commented that only black people could live that way. 1284 01:20:07.840 --> 01:20:09.800 Attorney client privileged. Yes, I will turn. 1285 01:20:10.119 --> 01:20:13.079 So I'm gonna let y'all watch this video. You literally 1286 01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:16.880 can see the emails where he is telling her what 1287 01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:20.680 is happening In response to what Cohen is saying Cohen 1288 01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:25.520 Cohen refers to someone as Rona. Stacy emails Jeffrey Epstein 1289 01:20:25.560 --> 01:20:29.760 and says, who's Roona? And he replies back, That's Trump's assistant. 1290 01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:32.720 But he doesn't reply back fast enough. So even before 1291 01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:35.600 he replies back, she says, quick, I'm coming up next. 1292 01:20:36.199 --> 01:20:39.119 I think it's on other individuals, Miss Rona. Who are 1293 01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:42.720 those individuals? Are they with the Trump organization? Are there 1294 01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:44.640 other people that we should be meeting with? 1295 01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:49.640 So Alan Weisberg is the chief financial officer, Uh huh. 1296 01:20:49.560 --> 01:20:49.880 You got it. 1297 01:20:49.920 --> 01:20:52.039 Quickly give us as many names as you can because 1298 01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:53.720 so we can get to them. 1299 01:20:53.960 --> 01:20:59.079 Okay, now, Niko, I wanna also point this out the 1300 01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:03.920 fact that she is able to lie like this is wow. 1301 01:21:04.039 --> 01:21:06.800 To be caught like this is wow to be caught 1302 01:21:07.039 --> 01:21:11.359 like this. I understand also that Epstein's island was in 1303 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:16.520 the Virgin Islands, of which she yes, go ahead, go ahead. 1304 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:18.920 I was going to say the same thing. People don't 1305 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:21.600 know that's where his island was, and she was getting 1306 01:21:21.640 --> 01:21:23.880 money from him, and he was paying off the government, 1307 01:21:24.079 --> 01:21:26.079 the Virgin Island government. Like that's how that he was 1308 01:21:26.079 --> 01:21:28.079 able to get away with so much and not. 1309 01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:35.079 Israel. Israel, Like, that's the thing we have to continuously 1310 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:38.760 bring it back to. He has been proven to be 1311 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:43.159 an agent for Israel. He was not operating simply as 1312 01:21:43.319 --> 01:21:45.880 just you know, this fun loving guy. Like even when 1313 01:21:45.880 --> 01:21:48.760 they say he's the most notorious pedophile, it's like, I 1314 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:51.359 think it's deeper than that. He's he's I don't even 1315 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:53.359 think he was even doing the pedophiling. I think he 1316 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:55.079 was literally just carrying. 1317 01:21:54.720 --> 01:21:57.880 Out the op he I think he engaged in some 1318 01:21:57.960 --> 01:22:00.439 of like the politicians that he was black building doing them, 1319 01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:02.920 more like he was carrying out the op and probably 1320 01:22:03.319 --> 01:22:05.479 was involved in it and to some degree, but like 1321 01:22:05.560 --> 01:22:08.560 that wasn't his original intention. His intention was to do 1322 01:22:08.600 --> 01:22:10.439 the work for Israel because he was an idiot. He 1323 01:22:10.479 --> 01:22:12.840 would have never been a billionaire if he wasn't a 1324 01:22:12.960 --> 01:22:16.199 useful op for Israel. Like that's why he was a billionaire. 1325 01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:18.079 It wasn't because he was actually smart, was because he 1326 01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:21.720 was a great investor. It was because he was innocuous 1327 01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:24.279 at the time, because he wasn't a public figure, he 1328 01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:27.359 wasn't a politician, he wasn't one of these billionaires that 1329 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:29.279 had made a bunch of money from the stock market, 1330 01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:31.560 like Warren Buffett. So they took somebody who was a 1331 01:22:31.640 --> 01:22:35.039 dumb ass and was like, hey, man, go blackmail everybody basically, 1332 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:37.760 and we're gonna put Glen Maxwell, whose dad was an 1333 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:40.840 agent of the massade. Robert Maxwell was Masad. I mean, 1334 01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:42.880 the prime minister was at his fucking funeral, The ex 1335 01:22:42.880 --> 01:22:45.279 Prime Minister of Israel was at his funeral, and he 1336 01:22:45.319 --> 01:22:47.720 literally said the words, we can't even tell y'all how 1337 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.960 much Robert Maxwell has done for Israel. Like that was 1338 01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:56.439 his daughter was Epstein's handler. Okay, guys, like he was 1339 01:22:56.479 --> 01:22:59.600 an agent for Israel. Acosta. Everybody remember Acosta who gave 1340 01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:01.920 him this hard deal and when he was asked while 1341 01:23:01.920 --> 01:23:03.840 working for Trump's administration, why did you give him a 1342 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.119 sweetheart deal? Is there's above my great pay grade. He 1343 01:23:06.119 --> 01:23:10.199 works for the intelligence community. So I mean, when you're 1344 01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:12.680 looking when he's sending email to congress people in the 1345 01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:15.560 middle of a hearing, it's hard not to believe that. 1346 01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:18.239 And she's a Democrat, and I need to make this clear, 1347 01:23:18.680 --> 01:23:21.680 she is a black woman Democrat. And when we continue 1348 01:23:21.720 --> 01:23:25.720 to play identity politics and make make it stand over 1349 01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:30.479 the reality of the way that corruption is existing within 1350 01:23:30.560 --> 01:23:32.960 what we call politics, but what is supposed to be government, 1351 01:23:33.000 --> 01:23:35.000 by the way, like we call it politics to like 1352 01:23:35.079 --> 01:23:37.840 place it over there, but it's actually government. And we're 1353 01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:39.760 going to talk with our next guest about the ways 1354 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:43.319 in which government is used to carry out colonization in 1355 01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:47.279 a whole other way. But do you so, do you 1356 01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:48.840 agree with me that we need to abolish the New 1357 01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:49.479 York Times? 1358 01:23:50.600 --> 01:23:54.159 Oh yeah, yeah, just a just a CIA cutout at 1359 01:23:54.199 --> 01:23:57.439 this point, Yeah, the United Nations one hundred percent. Yeah, 1360 01:23:57.800 --> 01:24:02.560 the Democrats, oh, probably more than any Yeah, yeah, Democrats 1361 01:24:02.880 --> 01:24:07.359 are dangerous. And being a black man, being a leftist, 1362 01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:11.119 I guess probably because of a radical like the Democrats 1363 01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:17.439 are the most dangerous. They're the most dangerous to the leftist. Probably, Yeah, 1364 01:24:17.439 --> 01:24:20.720 I mean because my definition of radical is sensible, Like 1365 01:24:20.760 --> 01:24:26.399 I feel like I'm sensitive, Yes, it is, the sensibility. 1366 01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:28.279 Is you saider radical nowadays? That's why I'm like, I 1367 01:24:28.319 --> 01:24:31.079 guess be consider radical. But yeah, no, the Democrats are 1368 01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:35.399 the ultimate barrier to progress because the ones who seek progress, 1369 01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:39.119 they're the first co operted by Democrats, right, So that's 1370 01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:40.800 why I feel like they're the biggest barrier. So yeah, 1371 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:42.680 we definitely need to box them. 1372 01:24:42.880 --> 01:24:44.960 Well, we're not going to bolish you. Nico House. We 1373 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:48.800 appreciate you and thank you so much for joining us. 1374 01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:51.000 Where can people get more Nico in their lives? 1375 01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:53.479 Follow me on x at Real Nico Houses Nico with 1376 01:24:53.520 --> 01:24:55.640 a K by the way, and I see on Instagram 1377 01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:58.359 as well at Real Nico House. Make sure you follow 1378 01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:01.399 us on hot spot on X hot spot hot spot 1379 01:25:01.880 --> 01:25:04.800 where we do videos every day about whatever breaking news 1380 01:25:04.880 --> 01:25:07.159 happening that day and we post updates from the news. 1381 01:25:07.960 --> 01:25:09.800 And thank you for always being willing to join and 1382 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:12.159 for having me on your platform as well. Like I said, y'all, 1383 01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.600 we have to support each other or else we're just 1384 01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:19.039 talking bs. That speaks to what we're doing. Just bullshit. 1385 01:25:19.720 --> 01:25:22.399 Yeah, basically talking to you. Canary in a coal. 1386 01:25:22.319 --> 01:25:24.640 Mine, Canary in a coal mine. 1387 01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:26.319 I'll see you soon, apiate. 1388 01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:30.840 Yay, Okay, We're not gonna waste any time. We're gonna 1389 01:25:30.840 --> 01:25:34.840 get into our next guest because it is intense, it's deep. 1390 01:25:35.079 --> 01:25:38.560 The knowledge is what I'm talking about. Let's get into it. Amen. 1391 01:25:48.439 --> 01:25:58.560 We are we are, yeah, yeas for having me. 1392 01:25:59.000 --> 01:26:01.119 We are joined by Adam. I'm Paul Susanette, who I 1393 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:07.000 want you all to know cares a lot. All right, listen, y'all. 1394 01:26:07.039 --> 01:26:08.760 Most folks are like, what's time? I need to be there, 1395 01:26:08.880 --> 01:26:11.439 that's it. Adam was like, can I show photos? Can 1396 01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:14.279 I show videos? I need them to get the information. 1397 01:26:14.680 --> 01:26:17.680 And I really appreciate that. And Adam, I have all 1398 01:26:17.680 --> 01:26:20.760 the photos. So I have all the photos. I have 1399 01:26:20.840 --> 01:26:23.159 the video, I have the PDF, so I have whatever 1400 01:26:23.199 --> 01:26:28.239 you want me to have for this conversation about for 1401 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:39.760 this conversation that is segregation by design. Segregation by design. Okay, 1402 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:42.399 So I found you on the interwebs. Ever so often 1403 01:26:42.439 --> 01:26:47.560 the algorithm does something useful, and the algorithm decided to 1404 01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:51.880 send you my way. And as a black person in 1405 01:26:51.920 --> 01:26:56.479 this country, you know, I'm all, I can't say I'm 1406 01:26:56.479 --> 01:27:00.439 ever shocked, but it never ceases to disgust me the 1407 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:05.560 myriad ways that have been used to continue that the 1408 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:10.680 operation of colonialism, of separation, of segregation, et cetera. But 1409 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:13.079 I hadn't I didn't know about highways. 1410 01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:17.279 Yeah, yeah, well it's exactly that. 1411 01:27:17.359 --> 01:27:21.560 The highways video. 1412 01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:23.920 Well, the video is a good introduction to sort of 1413 01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:27.960 segregation by design my project. So we can show that. 1414 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:32.520 Let's say that in a second. Okay, but yeah, the highways. 1415 01:27:32.920 --> 01:27:35.880 It's it's interesting because they really do represent as they 1416 01:27:35.880 --> 01:27:41.079 were designed. They represent sort of a continuation of this 1417 01:27:41.319 --> 01:27:47.920 project of writing white supremacy into law. It's you can see, 1418 01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:50.840 you can see it sort of as a form of 1419 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:57.279 shifting shifting tactics, like after federal desegregation in the fifties, 1420 01:27:57.760 --> 01:28:00.000 you know, with brown bag, brown b board of educt 1421 01:28:01.199 --> 01:28:04.199 and then with the subsequent Civil Rights Act, a lot 1422 01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:08.760 of the official barriers to or rather a lot of 1423 01:28:08.760 --> 01:28:16.439 the official legal mechanisms that upheld segregation were invalidated federally. 1424 01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:21.079 So then what comes along is the highways, which are 1425 01:28:21.159 --> 01:28:26.840 able to then draw that color line that was technically invalidated, 1426 01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:29.640 but they're able to draw that color line in physical 1427 01:28:29.640 --> 01:28:32.359 space in a much bigger way than it was before, 1428 01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:36.239 and in places where it wasn't already, like the chain. 1429 01:28:36.079 --> 01:28:37.399 Tracks is a famous example. 1430 01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:42.920 Right, So maybe let's show the video if that's okay, 1431 01:28:42.920 --> 01:28:44.600 But unless you have a follow up question, it is 1432 01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:45.600 seven minutes. 1433 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:49.359 I don't know how. Yeah, let's do it. I have time. 1434 01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:54.439 It's a good introduction to to segregation by design. The project, Well, 1435 01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:57.479 there's this one. This one's only a second. This one's 1436 01:28:57.479 --> 01:28:59.560 only a few moments long, okay. 1437 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:03.039 With the other VideA. So this video was showing us. 1438 01:29:03.000 --> 01:29:08.000 What well, yes, so exactly. So this is showing. 1439 01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:13.840 A highway being constructed through Detroit, and what this is 1440 01:29:13.880 --> 01:29:17.239 showing is one of the sort of original sins of 1441 01:29:17.319 --> 01:29:21.199 highway construction. So normally what I like to do is 1442 01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:24.920 when I present this project, basically I talk about some 1443 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:28.479 of the problems posed by the problems we face with 1444 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:31.560 freeways today, sort of the history of how we got here, 1445 01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:33.560 and some solutions for what we can do about it. 1446 01:29:35.000 --> 01:29:39.079 And this is both one of the problems and the history. 1447 01:29:39.680 --> 01:29:41.439 One of the problems is that they were built through 1448 01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:45.800 basically black and brown neighborhoods specifically, so they displaced all 1449 01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:48.199 these people. You can see all these houses being destroyed, 1450 01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:52.760 and then for the neighborhood, for the neighborhoods that remain 1451 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:56.680 divided by these highways. Now there's significant pollution, both in 1452 01:29:56.760 --> 01:30:00.560 terms of exhaust from the from the from the cars 1453 01:30:00.800 --> 01:30:04.600 and the entire particular matter break matter, and then noise pollution. 1454 01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:06.560 And that's another one of those images. 1455 01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:09.479 I said, But we don't have to get to bogged 1456 01:30:09.479 --> 01:30:10.600 down by the images because they're not. 1457 01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:12.359 I didn't send them in any particular order, which is 1458 01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:12.720 my bad. 1459 01:30:14.159 --> 01:30:17.039 So I don't have the video you're talking about. I 1460 01:30:17.039 --> 01:30:19.439 thought this was the video, But where can I get it? 1461 01:30:19.479 --> 01:30:21.199 Is it in the emails. 1462 01:30:22.319 --> 01:30:30.000 Image I sent it? I think it's uh. I have 1463 01:30:30.079 --> 01:30:31.720 the PDAs I sent it. 1464 01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:34.199 And I have the I have where you said this 1465 01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:37.439 animation this image would be good, and images from this 1466 01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:39.359 page would be good to show. I have all of those. 1467 01:30:41.840 --> 01:30:44.399 This is the one. Oh wait no, that's playing on 1468 01:30:44.479 --> 01:30:46.520 my couter here. 1469 01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:49.279 I can, I can? 1470 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:55.000 I can bring it up, basuickly, whoops, I just sent you. 1471 01:30:57.359 --> 01:31:09.079 Here it is if yeah, okay, oh, but this is 1472 01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:11.039 a link, not the actual video. 1473 01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:15.239 Can I show the link? How do I do it? 1474 01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:16.920 Correct? It's a YouTube link. 1475 01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:22.600 I don't know how to do that on here. I 1476 01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:24.760 can like bring a video onto screen, but I don't 1477 01:31:24.800 --> 01:31:27.840 know how to show like a YouTube video. 1478 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:30.479 You know, it's not a big deal. We can just 1479 01:31:30.560 --> 01:31:33.560 we can just talk. It's it's basically it's it's an example. 1480 01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.039 The video is an example of of where these highways 1481 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:38.479 we're used to displace and destroy a black community in 1482 01:31:38.680 --> 01:31:43.359 Los Angeles, specifically sugar Hill. So for for a lot 1483 01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:47.840 of these examples, and and the PDF, I sense that 1484 01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:49.840 one has a bunch of pictures and we can bring 1485 01:31:49.840 --> 01:31:51.760 that up at some point. But for a lot of 1486 01:31:51.800 --> 01:31:53.960 the examples I mentioned, if folks want to check out 1487 01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:57.520 my website Segregation by Design dot com, it basically breaks 1488 01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:01.079 it down city by city. Uh, and what I'm that 1489 01:32:01.199 --> 01:32:02.279 there's a there's Detroit. 1490 01:32:02.399 --> 01:32:06.319 So we're just flowing. We're flowing right now. 1491 01:32:06.520 --> 01:32:08.439 We're just doing it. We're just doing it. Yeah, that's fine. 1492 01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:11.479 So, uh, what I try to show is city by 1493 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:16.119 city how highways were used basically to divide between black 1494 01:32:16.159 --> 01:32:19.520 and white communities in some cases and then also destroy 1495 01:32:19.600 --> 01:32:23.640 black communities in other cases, how they were used to 1496 01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:27.279 basically write white supremacy into the built environment of American 1497 01:32:27.319 --> 01:32:33.760 cities and what the processes how that happened. And what 1498 01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:39.359 this is showing is an example in Detroit. So you 1499 01:32:39.359 --> 01:32:42.520 can see here Detroit basically before and after. In the project, 1500 01:32:42.520 --> 01:32:45.479 I use a lot of aerial imagery basically to show 1501 01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:48.760 what happened. So you can see in this example, I'll 1502 01:32:48.800 --> 01:32:51.680 just talk through it, Paradise Valley. 1503 01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:55.159 And black Bottom. You can see in the before image 1504 01:32:55.239 --> 01:32:57.239 in those white labels, So. 1505 01:32:58.880 --> 01:33:05.319 Before federal desegregation is and died again in with some 1506 01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:06.600 with things like brown b board. 1507 01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:11.720 So this is fifty for the fifties. Basically, segregation is legal. 1508 01:33:13.359 --> 01:33:15.119 Cities are allowed to say black people can live here 1509 01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:17.960 and white people can live here. It's by a variety 1510 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:22.119 of mechanisms, some which are official laws, some which are 1511 01:33:22.159 --> 01:33:24.640 sort of real estate practices. 1512 01:33:25.279 --> 01:33:25.960 Right, but. 1513 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:29.880 Yeah, so exactly redlining is an example of something that's 1514 01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:32.479 a law. But then there's something like then there's other 1515 01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:34.600 things like restrictive covenants, which. 1516 01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:38.560 Are basically that so that's real estate. That's that's a 1517 01:33:38.680 --> 01:33:38.920 sort of. 1518 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:44.800 Yeah, well h oo, a's are the descendant of restrictive covenants. 1519 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:46.920 Ah, okay, okay. 1520 01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:49.159 Yeah, yeah, So a restrictive covenant is a thing that's 1521 01:33:49.199 --> 01:33:51.239 written into the deed of houses that says you can 1522 01:33:51.239 --> 01:33:54.119 only sell to quote unquote people of the Caucasian race only. 1523 01:33:55.319 --> 01:33:58.640 So that's that's an example of like a private Yeah, 1524 01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:01.479 the Color of Law talks about this examt exactly. That's 1525 01:34:01.520 --> 01:34:04.399 an example of sort of private mechanism by which they 1526 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:09.000 upheld segregation. And then there's redlining, which is sort of 1527 01:34:08.239 --> 01:34:15.960 the government legal way of doing it. But the result 1528 01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:21.159 of that is you get these black districts. You get 1529 01:34:21.159 --> 01:34:23.880 these uh, and these are the these are the historic 1530 01:34:23.920 --> 01:34:27.439 districts like Harlem that we talk about, you know. And 1531 01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.880 in this case in Detroit, it's Black Black Bottom in 1532 01:34:30.920 --> 01:34:36.760 Paradise Valley and it's basically this linear corridor arrayed along 1533 01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:41.840 Hastings Street, which you see there. So this community is 1534 01:34:42.159 --> 01:34:49.800 constrained by segregation. But even despite that, in this in 1535 01:34:50.159 --> 01:34:52.479 this case of Hastings and in Paradise Valley and Black 1536 01:34:52.479 --> 01:34:57.880 Bottom and so many other of these neighborhoods, despite the segregation, 1537 01:34:58.520 --> 01:35:01.520 a really strong actually I mean a community, really strong 1538 01:35:01.520 --> 01:35:03.600 community forms, but a strong economy forms too. 1539 01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:08.399 Yeah, because within your community exactly. 1540 01:35:08.600 --> 01:35:11.720 And and you see these these corridors, in this case 1541 01:35:11.760 --> 01:35:13.600 Hastings Street. And if you if you go back to 1542 01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:15.560 some of those other pictures that was sort of Hastings 1543 01:35:16.600 --> 01:35:19.359 with John Lee Hooker with the guitar, that was Hasting 1544 01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:21.199 well that's that's yeah, that one, that's good one. 1545 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:25.119 The other one, the above picture, is the thriving Hastings 1546 01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:29.079 with the record stores and the porter market, et cetera. 1547 01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:33.439 Yeah, yeah, exactly now and the bottom is what it 1548 01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:37.600 is now exactly. And and what's interesting about the Hastings 1549 01:35:37.640 --> 01:35:41.359 case is so and and these these two images, the 1550 01:35:41.439 --> 01:35:44.359 before and the before images of this one and then 1551 01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:47.600 the other one, these are actually both album covers. So 1552 01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:51.039 it shows that yeah, this one. Uh so even at 1553 01:35:51.039 --> 01:35:52.720 the time these were like there's a conception that this 1554 01:35:52.880 --> 01:35:54.920 is like a special place. I mean, it's like one 1555 01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:55.680 twenty fifth Street in. 1556 01:35:55.680 --> 01:36:00.239 Harlem, you know, right, it's it's uh. 1557 01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:07.479 It's it's yeah, exactly of commercial activity, but then also 1558 01:36:07.520 --> 01:36:11.800 cultural production, you know. And and we get out of 1559 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:15.880 something like Hasting Street, you know, Joe's Records where where 1560 01:36:15.960 --> 01:36:18.800 John Lee Hooker is standing in front of there. That's 1561 01:36:18.840 --> 01:36:23.159 where Aretha Franklin records her first album. And her dad 1562 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:27.520 was also very famous reverend and Hey or Key records 1563 01:36:27.760 --> 01:36:31.079 his first stuff at at Joe's Records here. And I 1564 01:36:31.079 --> 01:36:34.680 actually got these images from so Joe Van Battle is 1565 01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:40.239 the owner of Joe's Records here his daughter, uh Marcia Music. 1566 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:43.119 I got these photos from her, and she does an 1567 01:36:43.319 --> 01:36:46.239 She has an excellent blog posts like more than a 1568 01:36:46.279 --> 01:36:49.359 blog post, an excellent piece uh on her website, The 1569 01:36:49.399 --> 01:36:54.560 Detroit Ist, all all about her dad's experiences. So it's 1570 01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:59.319 and and you see they route the highway right down 1571 01:36:59.359 --> 01:37:04.000 the middle of the of the of Hastings there, so. 1572 01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:12.159 The highways Okay, so to set the stage. 1573 01:37:11.520 --> 01:37:13.880 Yeah, it's it's so you see this before image, the 1574 01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:17.000 nineteen forty nine right, So there's the Black Corridor that 1575 01:37:17.159 --> 01:37:20.159 is basically a raid along Hastings that is policed and 1576 01:37:20.960 --> 01:37:27.359 confined by segregation. The rest of the city is largely white, 1577 01:37:27.920 --> 01:37:38.680 it's largely working class. This starts to change after basically 1578 01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:40.840 around the turn of the after the twenties, with the 1579 01:37:40.840 --> 01:37:43.479 Great Migration, which I'm sure you're familiar with. But the 1580 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:46.920 Great Migration is a movement of six million black six 1581 01:37:46.960 --> 01:37:51.439 million rural black Americans from the South basically to northern 1582 01:37:51.479 --> 01:37:57.079 and western cities. The largest you know, the largest destinations 1583 01:37:57.079 --> 01:38:03.479 are like New York and Angeles, Chicago, but Detroit's also 1584 01:38:03.479 --> 01:38:07.600 a major one. And so this is happening. So Detroit 1585 01:38:07.640 --> 01:38:10.039 is actually a really representative example, so you could I'm 1586 01:38:10.079 --> 01:38:12.800 talking about Detroit here specifically, but this can this happened 1587 01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:17.199 all over the place. So there are more and more 1588 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:21.439 black people coming into cities and coastal cities. There's more 1589 01:38:21.479 --> 01:38:24.119 and more immigrants, so cities are becoming more, no more 1590 01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:31.359 non white, and this to some extent, kicks off white 1591 01:38:31.359 --> 01:38:36.159 flight unfortunately. Basically, as the non white populations are rising 1592 01:38:36.359 --> 01:38:39.239 in downtown areas and because that's where a lot of 1593 01:38:39.239 --> 01:38:41.680 these people are moving, because that's where a chip housing 1594 01:38:41.800 --> 01:38:42.720 is and then b. 1595 01:38:42.800 --> 01:38:43.840 That's where jobs are. 1596 01:38:44.640 --> 01:38:48.439 So as the racial makeup of the inner city with 1597 01:38:48.840 --> 01:38:52.439 the inner city is changing, white people are basically moving 1598 01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:56.079 out to the suburbs. And that's not because that's not 1599 01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:58.479 because each and every one of them is necessarily a racist. 1600 01:38:58.680 --> 01:39:01.039 That's because there's a lot of financial incentives set up 1601 01:39:01.119 --> 01:39:04.960 for them to do that, redlining being one of them, 1602 01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:07.880 basically saying that you can't get a mortgage in any 1603 01:39:07.880 --> 01:39:11.039 neighborhood that black people live in, which gives an incentive 1604 01:39:11.079 --> 01:39:12.840 for people who can move out to move out. 1605 01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:16.600 Wow, I didn't know it was the reverse as well, Like, 1606 01:39:16.720 --> 01:39:19.720 so they don't want white people living in black neighborhoods either. 1607 01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:25.279 Oh, precisely, exactly. Yeah, So there's push and pull factors 1608 01:39:25.319 --> 01:39:28.000 basically that cause. So, Okay, I guess what I'm trying 1609 01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:30.039 to set the stage here for is white flight, right, 1610 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:34.560 because this kind of explains then why this area is destroyed. 1611 01:39:34.600 --> 01:39:37.560 It's not just purely I mean, it is largely racial malice, 1612 01:39:37.560 --> 01:39:40.359 but there's an economic logic behind it that I'm trying. 1613 01:39:40.079 --> 01:39:40.680 To set up. 1614 01:39:41.520 --> 01:39:46.479 But basically, mostly white cities become largely non white, and 1615 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:49.520 there's various things that incentivize white people to leave. There's 1616 01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:53.039 sort of the push factor of the Great Migration, which 1617 01:39:53.079 --> 01:39:55.680 is all these non white folks moving in, moving moving 1618 01:39:55.720 --> 01:39:58.520 into downtowns, and then there's, especially after World War Two, 1619 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:03.960 there's the pull factor, which is. 1620 01:40:02.880 --> 01:40:05.800 How they created Israel. It's the same, it's the same 1621 01:40:05.880 --> 01:40:08.800 mechanic mechanism. We're going to push you out of Germany 1622 01:40:09.199 --> 01:40:13.880 and Europe with recent with anti semitism and fascism, and 1623 01:40:13.880 --> 01:40:17.159 then we're going to pull you into Israel with incentives. 1624 01:40:20.319 --> 01:40:22.600 The history of that I'm not familiar with, but I 1625 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:24.119 think it's probably similar to how they. 1626 01:40:24.159 --> 01:40:26.000 Oh, I'm telling you, I mean this is a fact. 1627 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.479 This is like oh, absolutely. 1628 01:40:29.079 --> 01:40:31.199 Yeah, this is a fact. Like you're incentivized to go 1629 01:40:31.239 --> 01:40:33.399 to Israel as a Jewish person because you are going 1630 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:36.640 to be given subsidiary subsidiaries. You're going to be given 1631 01:40:36.760 --> 01:40:39.800 free healthcare, You're going to be given money for a home, 1632 01:40:39.960 --> 01:40:43.319 money for school, et cetera, et cetera. And so there's 1633 01:40:43.319 --> 01:40:46.399 the push and the pull in order to create an 1634 01:40:46.439 --> 01:40:53.000 economic space that can be then utilized for whatever purpose 1635 01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:55.000 or you know. 1636 01:40:55.279 --> 01:40:58.039 Yeah, exactly, it's about like clearing out of people to 1637 01:40:58.119 --> 01:41:01.600 then create a space for yes, precise, and we can 1638 01:41:02.119 --> 01:41:05.239 and and uh we can get to uh push pulling 1639 01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:07.920 Jewish folks to because I'm I'm Jewish, but I'm not 1640 01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:08.640 I'm an atheist. 1641 01:41:08.680 --> 01:41:10.680 I don't we don't practice. 1642 01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:12.439 I mean, I don't care if you're atheists. I care 1643 01:41:12.439 --> 01:41:13.479 if you're a Zionist. 1644 01:41:14.279 --> 01:41:17.640 Oh, I'm absolutely an anti Zionist. 1645 01:41:17.640 --> 01:41:18.319 Don't worry about that. 1646 01:41:19.159 --> 01:41:21.359 I assumed because. 1647 01:41:21.560 --> 01:41:25.079 You I have a joke that I said, I don't 1648 01:41:25.079 --> 01:41:25.720 want to say it here. 1649 01:41:25.760 --> 01:41:28.960 But yeah, this is the place we all are are 1650 01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:30.920 literal quote is by any joke necessary? 1651 01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:35.720 So say it's like people, it's like I No, I 1652 01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:40.600 don't want to say. But regardless, regardless, Adam chicken out 1653 01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:41.119 of the joke. 1654 01:41:41.600 --> 01:41:43.479 I did chicken out of it. We can really get 1655 01:41:43.520 --> 01:41:48.359 back to it later. But well, I just I do 1656 01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:50.079 have a story about like birth right, we left. I 1657 01:41:50.479 --> 01:41:52.880 went with a buddy and we left. But this isn't 1658 01:41:52.920 --> 01:41:55.159 what well, so let me just tell you. 1659 01:41:55.279 --> 01:41:57.359 We're gonna eventually get to that, because the question I'm 1660 01:41:57.359 --> 01:41:59.479 going to ask you is how did you become a 1661 01:41:59.560 --> 01:42:03.600 kind of person, and specifically a white person who cares 1662 01:42:03.640 --> 01:42:05.920 about this, Like, we're gonna get to that because this 1663 01:42:06.039 --> 01:42:08.760 type of work, it can't we can't just talk about 1664 01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:11.800 this type of work in the silo of the work, 1665 01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:14.640 because there's a certain type of person that pursues this 1666 01:42:14.800 --> 01:42:18.439 knowledge right and then decides to expose this knowledge, And 1667 01:42:18.479 --> 01:42:21.960 we need to as a society lift up those people, 1668 01:42:22.359 --> 01:42:27.880 but also lift up the scenarios, the education, the community 1669 01:42:27.920 --> 01:42:30.960 that creates those people. So it's not just gonna be 1670 01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:32.920 so this interview is not just about your work. I 1671 01:42:32.960 --> 01:42:35.000 want to know about why you choose to do this 1672 01:42:35.039 --> 01:42:37.800 work as well, because I consider it to be really 1673 01:42:37.880 --> 01:42:43.199 important and necessary. So they draw this, they decide to 1674 01:42:43.279 --> 01:42:47.399 do the white flight, push the white flight, and you're 1675 01:42:47.439 --> 01:42:51.319 telling you're saying that, So I guess one question before 1676 01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:57.800 you go on is what is the government's goal in 1677 01:42:57.960 --> 01:43:02.840 creating a nexus of white people in one suburban area 1678 01:43:03.439 --> 01:43:07.800 and black people in one area beyond racism? 1679 01:43:08.079 --> 01:43:10.319 Economic development growth? 1680 01:43:11.439 --> 01:43:17.039 So white white flight, right, So black people were formally 1681 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:20.279 confined to this area, but then legal segregation gets broken 1682 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:24.000 down as all these people are coming. So and this 1683 01:43:24.159 --> 01:43:27.159 is also in combination with white people leaving, right, So 1684 01:43:29.079 --> 01:43:34.000 property owners downtown are not really happy about that. The 1685 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:41.479 you see downtown, I've labeled that there. Yes, Black Bottom 1686 01:43:41.479 --> 01:43:43.560 and Paradise Value are right next to that, right next 1687 01:43:43.560 --> 01:43:47.960 to downtown, and that proximity is important. And this is 1688 01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:51.319 again it's that you know there's it's called the inner 1689 01:43:51.319 --> 01:43:53.479 city for a reason. It's because these people were moving 1690 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:55.520 to a specific part of the city, which again is 1691 01:43:55.560 --> 01:44:00.039 where the jobs in affordable housing was. And as and 1692 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:04.119 white people are leaving, the people, the people who own 1693 01:44:04.239 --> 01:44:08.119 property in the commercial districts downtown are really really unhappy 1694 01:44:08.239 --> 01:44:13.680 that now they're surrounded by this racialized inner city, and 1695 01:44:13.760 --> 01:44:15.920 there were and because this is the basically the underpinning 1696 01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:17.760 of redlining in the first place, which is the idea 1697 01:44:17.760 --> 01:44:22.039 that people of different races living in close proximity reduces 1698 01:44:22.039 --> 01:44:26.079 property values. And that really boils down to the fact 1699 01:44:26.119 --> 01:44:29.680 that black people reduce property values. And this you can 1700 01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:32.359 look at the writings of this guy Homer Homer Hoyt 1701 01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:35.479 and Richard t. Eli from the University of Madison, Wisconsin, 1702 01:44:37.359 --> 01:44:39.720 and they wrote a lot of the basically the academic 1703 01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:43.359 underpinning of redlining, and the idea is that black people 1704 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:47.800 being proximity reduces property values. So now suddenly the commercial core, 1705 01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:51.319 the oldest part of the city is surrounded by non 1706 01:44:51.359 --> 01:44:54.199 white people. You know, in Detroit it's black people, and 1707 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:56.880 it's not just black people, but it is largely, but 1708 01:44:56.920 --> 01:45:00.079 it's also Chinatown obviously in Los Angeles and many cities, 1709 01:45:01.319 --> 01:45:03.920 and then in San Antonio it's Mexican Town, which is 1710 01:45:03.920 --> 01:45:05.960 what it's called. It's it's not just black, but it is. 1711 01:45:06.039 --> 01:45:08.720 It's they end up bearing the front of it. Just 1712 01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:16.479 numbers wise and historic animosity obviously, but urban so as 1713 01:45:16.600 --> 01:45:20.399 desegregation ends, then urban renewal and highway funds come along 1714 01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:23.359 and they use that money to kill two birds with 1715 01:45:23.399 --> 01:45:25.760 one stone. So and you can see that right here. 1716 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:30.520 What they're doing is they surround downtown in a highway loop. 1717 01:45:31.319 --> 01:45:34.199 That protects it from these neighborhoods that have now become 1718 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:39.319 non white. Right, So it physically creates a division because 1719 01:45:39.760 --> 01:45:42.079 divisions can protect that property value. 1720 01:45:42.159 --> 01:45:44.439 Think before we add highways, the railroad checks. 1721 01:45:44.479 --> 01:45:46.199 That's why it's the other side of the tracks, right 1722 01:45:47.159 --> 01:45:52.279 or you know rivers like or flood zones. But these divisions, 1723 01:45:52.640 --> 01:45:55.359 going back to that idea that proximity reduces property values. 1724 01:45:55.399 --> 01:46:00.640 If there's a division, if there's a division, then it 1725 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:02.079 can uphold the property values. 1726 01:46:02.119 --> 01:46:06.640 So yeah, they're over there, they're over there. See they're 1727 01:46:06.680 --> 01:46:08.960 over there. So the highway, even though it's literally just 1728 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:17.640 a structure, it provides this like a wall so to speak, saying. 1729 01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:22.159 Okay exactly and and and there's a great book I 1730 01:46:22.159 --> 01:46:23.600 have it here. It's not it's kind of like not 1731 01:46:23.720 --> 01:46:25.920 show up but dividing lines. 1732 01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:31.039 Yeah, but you're not in a warehouse with graded ceilings. 1733 01:46:31.319 --> 01:46:33.560 And you know this. 1734 01:46:33.560 --> 01:46:36.159 Is actually this is actually my my local train station. 1735 01:46:36.760 --> 01:46:41.079 It took this photo the other day. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1736 01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:42.520 you can see the train of the bank there. 1737 01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:44.880 Nice. But you're in Europe. 1738 01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm doing a PhD over here, casual. 1739 01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:55.000 I'm from South Florida originally, but and I work based 1740 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:57.840 in New York, so we go back. I go back 1741 01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:00.760 quite often. Greta ton Berg would be I'm happy with me. 1742 01:47:02.159 --> 01:47:03.520 I just want to point out to you all that 1743 01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:06.119 I am cosmopolitan and then traveled, which is how I 1744 01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:08.119 knew that it was Europe once I saw the blue 1745 01:47:08.119 --> 01:47:12.159 and yellow drain. All right, let's ring it back. So 1746 01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:19.960 they build these walls of highway, and my question becomes, 1747 01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:25.199 is this also utilized as like, oh, now the white 1748 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:27.880 flyers have like direct access. 1749 01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:31.439 Into the city precisely right, So, and that's what I'm 1750 01:47:31.479 --> 01:47:35.119 saying when I'm killed two birds with lunstone. So it 1751 01:47:35.159 --> 01:47:40.159 divides and then also creates connections to the whites only suburbs, 1752 01:47:40.159 --> 01:47:43.920 which you better believe have restrictive covenants, and as a 1753 01:47:43.960 --> 01:47:47.319 private practice, by the way, that that stays on a 1754 01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:50.840 lot longer than something like legal segregation, which is struck 1755 01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:51.560 down in the courts. 1756 01:47:51.960 --> 01:47:54.079 That's just that's why that distinction is a little important. 1757 01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:58.359 But so, yeah, the highways they divide, they cut through, 1758 01:47:58.359 --> 01:48:01.279 they protect downtown, and then they provide white folks with 1759 01:48:01.399 --> 01:48:06.359 direct opportunity rather with direct access to the economic opportunities downtown. 1760 01:48:07.439 --> 01:48:09.800 So it's it's some to some extent, you know, it 1761 01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:13.159 doesn't work that well, right, because a lot of jobs 1762 01:48:13.159 --> 01:48:16.039 still end up going to the suburbs, and then we 1763 01:48:16.159 --> 01:48:19.520 end up with kind of hallowed out downtowns and and 1764 01:48:19.560 --> 01:48:21.720 this is why we end up with spaces right like that, 1765 01:48:21.880 --> 01:48:27.680 So it divides. That's one use, but then there's also 1766 01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:32.880 times where it just is designed almost to take up space, 1767 01:48:33.079 --> 01:48:39.520 like is designed to remove the population they didn't want 1768 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:44.000 and then replace that with, you know, again a connection 1769 01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:47.319 to the suburbs, so. 1770 01:48:47.199 --> 01:48:48.399 It just takes up space. 1771 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:49.439 Displacement. 1772 01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:53.159 It's yeah, the displacement's intentional exactly because they those people 1773 01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:55.840 being there reduced property values. 1774 01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:58.359 And in some cases. 1775 01:49:00.039 --> 01:49:04.279 They build public housing that's actually kind of rare, but 1776 01:49:04.319 --> 01:49:07.800 they end up building far fewer units of public housing 1777 01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:10.199 than us units they destroyed. 1778 01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:11.119 And that's true everywhere. 1779 01:49:11.159 --> 01:49:13.600 You know, this is that's definitely true in Detroit, it's 1780 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:15.479 true everywhere name of city, certainly. 1781 01:49:15.199 --> 01:49:19.439 New York, right, And even when they build a public housing, 1782 01:49:19.560 --> 01:49:23.680 they don't like protect it. They don't support it. They 1783 01:49:24.640 --> 01:49:30.039 I mean, they create kind of dens of criminality that 1784 01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:32.560 they can use to them bring people back into the 1785 01:49:32.640 --> 01:49:35.359 prison industrial crisis by creating public housing that they don't 1786 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:36.279 provide resources to. 1787 01:49:37.239 --> 01:49:40.600 Yeah, and precisely that exactly, and and and then also 1788 01:49:40.640 --> 01:49:44.479 they will locate yes, very well said. And then they'll 1789 01:49:44.520 --> 01:49:50.279 locate it in areas that are already largely black and 1790 01:49:50.319 --> 01:49:56.119 already largely for And this this happens especially in like 1791 01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:59.520 New York and Chicago. And this explains why you know, 1792 01:49:59.560 --> 01:50:01.319 when you look some of these before and afters, they 1793 01:50:01.399 --> 01:50:03.720 just destroy a neighborhood and then replace it with these 1794 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:08.279 tower blocks. And the result of that is that a 1795 01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:09.800 what you do there is you replace a lot of 1796 01:50:09.800 --> 01:50:11.079 owners with a lot of renters. 1797 01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:17.960 Practically, they can't we can't skip over that. 1798 01:50:19.039 --> 01:50:23.479 Well, that's a whole other element, because there's the there's 1799 01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:25.279 the sort of good no. 1800 01:50:25.359 --> 01:50:27.560 Gone, no it please you. You're the guest. 1801 01:50:28.760 --> 01:50:31.359 Well sorry, I just feel like I'm next, right, I mean. 1802 01:50:31.680 --> 01:50:35.439 It's we are here to be lectured by fair enough. 1803 01:50:36.960 --> 01:50:41.119 Well, there's the mechanism by which these properties get taken 1804 01:50:41.199 --> 01:50:45.840 right through eminent domain. That's the term, and eminent domain 1805 01:50:45.920 --> 01:50:50.199 isn't inherently an evil thing. Sometimes we do need to 1806 01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:55.199 build linear things, you know, linear rights of way, sewers, 1807 01:50:55.239 --> 01:51:01.680 pipes and roads. Yes, sometimes, but eminent domain where you're 1808 01:51:01.720 --> 01:51:05.239 taking where you're just using it to destroy a neighborhood 1809 01:51:05.239 --> 01:51:08.000 because it's reducing property because of reducing property values because 1810 01:51:08.000 --> 01:51:11.239 of some bracist pseudoscience. Yeah, that's no good. And by 1811 01:51:11.279 --> 01:51:15.039 the way, there's an well, she actually just shut down 1812 01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:20.079 the organization. Do you know a kavon Ward from where 1813 01:51:20.119 --> 01:51:24.079 is my land? She still does one on one consultations. 1814 01:51:24.079 --> 01:51:28.479 But Bruce's Beach, I'm all over the place here, Bruce's Beach. 1815 01:51:28.520 --> 01:51:30.720 She was the she was basically the organizer behind that. 1816 01:51:31.399 --> 01:51:34.159 So Bruce's Beach was an example of So I was 1817 01:51:34.159 --> 01:51:38.399 the black neighborhood in downtown Santa Monica, the Belmar Triangle. 1818 01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:42.840 And no, this is different. Sorry, this is in Manhattan Beach. 1819 01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:45.439 It was a black neighborhood in Manhattan Beach, not in 1820 01:51:45.479 --> 01:51:48.199 downtown Santa Fnica. She there was another there's the there's 1821 01:51:48.199 --> 01:51:53.359 another case, silas white up in Santa Monica, black neighborhood 1822 01:51:53.359 --> 01:51:56.640 in Manhattan Beach, property taken through eminent domain. Keavon Ward 1823 01:51:56.640 --> 01:51:58.800 got it back to the family, the Bruce family. 1824 01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:04.000 She sell it off anyway, which made me live it. 1825 01:52:05.760 --> 01:52:09.680 But but that was their right, and I know, I 1826 01:52:09.720 --> 01:52:12.680 know they sold at that time with full knowledge and 1827 01:52:12.760 --> 01:52:16.560 no and not predatory because the first time was taken. 1828 01:52:17.600 --> 01:52:19.079 No, I know, I know, I know. It's just the 1829 01:52:19.119 --> 01:52:21.279 principle of like just get it back and like can 1830 01:52:21.279 --> 01:52:21.720 we just. 1831 01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:26.520 Oh, I totally I definitely agree with that, but like. 1832 01:52:26.720 --> 01:52:28.800 There but like the point was it was theirs and 1833 01:52:28.840 --> 01:52:30.319 they could do with it what they want. But you know, 1834 01:52:30.359 --> 01:52:34.600 I totally get it. How these properties are taken. How 1835 01:52:34.600 --> 01:52:39.039 do they build a highway through there? How do they 1836 01:52:39.079 --> 01:52:42.800 build a highway through there? They take these properties through 1837 01:52:42.840 --> 01:52:43.479 eminent domain? 1838 01:52:44.159 --> 01:52:49.920 And can you just domain real quick? 1839 01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:53.239 So eminent domain is the right of the government to 1840 01:52:53.319 --> 01:52:58.920 take property for the public good and they have to 1841 01:52:58.960 --> 01:53:02.199 offer just compensation. They do have to QUOTEO offer quote 1842 01:53:02.239 --> 01:53:05.760 unquote just compensation. So yeah, but they so, but they 1843 01:53:05.800 --> 01:53:08.560 get to decide what the public good is and they 1844 01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:14.800 get to decide what just compensation is. Sorry that the 1845 01:53:14.960 --> 01:53:19.399 Columbia you did. Indeed, yes, with Manhattanville. I will try 1846 01:53:19.439 --> 01:53:22.279 not to get distracted by comments, but that's a. 1847 01:53:23.079 --> 01:53:25.720 Listen, we're here for you. We we love all of 1848 01:53:25.760 --> 01:53:30.119 your NeuroD going all over the place. We're all about it. 1849 01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:34.119 That's our jazz. Very much. You are you are giving 1850 01:53:34.199 --> 01:53:39.920 us intellectual jazz Detroit public domain bubble. 1851 01:53:40.960 --> 01:53:44.000 I appreciate it, Thank you very much. Excellent. 1852 01:53:44.039 --> 01:53:46.920 Well, yeah, so imminent domain is the right of the 1853 01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:51.159 government to take property. You know, think for again, building 1854 01:53:51.239 --> 01:53:55.640 like a sewer right, building, a train building, public transportation, 1855 01:53:58.159 --> 01:54:01.760 and they have to offer just compensation. But the way 1856 01:54:01.840 --> 01:54:06.000 that was actualized in practice for most of American history 1857 01:54:06.079 --> 01:54:09.159 was very predatory, especially during this highway building era, where 1858 01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:12.680 they would just send a letter to people with a 1859 01:54:12.680 --> 01:54:17.680 low ball offer us. And basically these letters, and you 1860 01:54:17.720 --> 01:54:19.640 can see these letters, they make it seem as if 1861 01:54:19.640 --> 01:54:22.039 you have to take the offer, which of course you don't. 1862 01:54:22.239 --> 01:54:25.239 You absolutely don't have to take the offer. But there's 1863 01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:30.920 there's a case in in Roxbury and Boston where a 1864 01:54:30.960 --> 01:54:35.239 reverend's mom she owned a three unit apartment building in 1865 01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:38.680 rock in Nubia in a Nubian square, and she got 1866 01:54:38.720 --> 01:54:40.119 sent eight thousand dollars for it. 1867 01:54:41.600 --> 01:54:43.000 What right? 1868 01:54:43.680 --> 01:54:48.159 And my dad also owned property in Roxbury, Boston and 1869 01:54:48.279 --> 01:54:51.439 sold it. I don't know why, I know, I didn't 1870 01:54:51.439 --> 01:54:55.800 see any of that money. But I'm just like, why 1871 01:54:55.880 --> 01:55:00.880 are y'all just giving away like the the property. 1872 01:55:01.960 --> 01:55:04.840 Well, they make it seem there's like a big red 1873 01:55:04.880 --> 01:55:08.319 stamp on it, and it says like they condemned. They 1874 01:55:08.319 --> 01:55:10.680 make Sometimes it's as condemned with the Robert Moses ones, 1875 01:55:10.720 --> 01:55:13.319 not not with this one in Boston. The Robert Moses 1876 01:55:13.359 --> 01:55:15.439 he's the one who used the condemned. And I haven't 1877 01:55:15.479 --> 01:55:18.039 talked about Moses yet, but I'll get back to him. 1878 01:55:18.800 --> 01:55:20.680 But they send these letters. They make it seem as 1879 01:55:20.760 --> 01:55:22.760 if you have to take it, and when you do, 1880 01:55:22.880 --> 01:55:23.279 that's it. 1881 01:55:23.279 --> 01:55:23.720 It's gone. 1882 01:55:24.680 --> 01:55:27.640 But that's that's the property owners, which is the minority 1883 01:55:28.520 --> 01:55:32.239 most people in like Hastings, they were renters and it's 1884 01:55:32.239 --> 01:55:33.560 just absentee landlords. 1885 01:55:33.720 --> 01:55:35.399 So when the government comes along with. 1886 01:55:35.359 --> 01:55:40.479 These checks, they say sure, yeah exactly, because they they 1887 01:55:40.600 --> 01:55:42.119 view it as a way to cash out of the slums. 1888 01:55:42.119 --> 01:55:47.319 Basically, ah mm yeah, so and and one. 1889 01:55:47.159 --> 01:55:51.800 Thing I didn't now, one thing I didn't mention. And 1890 01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:55.520 then sometimes they clear out these neighborhoods and then replace 1891 01:55:55.600 --> 01:56:00.199 them with like office buildings. So sometimes it isn't yeah 1892 01:56:00.239 --> 01:56:02.840 because this is right exactly. Sometimes, like in Miami, this 1893 01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:06.840 is they cut down Second Avenue, which was the main 1894 01:56:07.039 --> 01:56:10.640 commercial therefa there and it was in the middle of Overtown, 1895 01:56:10.880 --> 01:56:13.039 but now Overtown is like on the left. And then 1896 01:56:13.079 --> 01:56:16.800 they basically took part of it into downtown, built government 1897 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:21.960 facilities and stuff designed to basically attract people from the suburbs. 1898 01:56:23.319 --> 01:56:25.239 Because the the. 1899 01:56:25.199 --> 01:56:27.359 Building of the highways was also an effort. It was 1900 01:56:27.399 --> 01:56:30.399 it was lobbied for by you know, chambers of commerce 1901 01:56:31.880 --> 01:56:35.439 and mayors. You know, in the case of Hastings or 1902 01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:38.079 of Detroit, it's Mayor Albert Cobo. He said, we can 1903 01:56:38.159 --> 01:56:40.520 use the highway, he said, we can use the highways 1904 01:56:40.520 --> 01:56:44.000 to stop the Negro invasion. He said, we can use 1905 01:56:44.000 --> 01:56:47.119 public works to stop Negro invasion. Right, So they're not 1906 01:56:47.199 --> 01:56:51.039 even shy about it, especially in the South, especially like 1907 01:56:51.079 --> 01:56:55.159 in Mayor Hartsfield and Atlanta. I twenty will be a 1908 01:56:55.199 --> 01:57:01.520 line between you know, black and between white and Negro Atlanta. Yeah, 1909 01:57:01.560 --> 01:57:03.680 and again sometimes they clear out the stuff and it's 1910 01:57:03.720 --> 01:57:07.840 to sort of take that land and redevelop redevelopment to 1911 01:57:08.159 --> 01:57:12.079 try to keep downtown attractive as it's becoming more non 1912 01:57:12.079 --> 01:57:14.680 white and as white people are being incentivized to leave. 1913 01:57:16.600 --> 01:57:20.640 So there has been advocacy against this? Yes, can we 1914 01:57:20.840 --> 01:57:24.760 can we talk about the advocacy that has been done 1915 01:57:24.840 --> 01:57:29.000 against this and if there's been any success. I mean, 1916 01:57:29.359 --> 01:57:31.039 just a side note, like I love when stuff like 1917 01:57:31.079 --> 01:57:34.319 this shows up in like random TV shows. So like 1918 01:57:34.399 --> 01:57:38.680 in the show Cooking with Chemistry, Like there's an entire 1919 01:57:39.319 --> 01:57:43.840 b story with the black character who's her next door 1920 01:57:43.880 --> 01:57:47.079 neighbor and who's her friend and is we'll not her 1921 01:57:47.119 --> 01:57:49.840 next neighbor, but she's her friend, and she's like fighting 1922 01:57:49.960 --> 01:57:55.000 for the black neighborhood to not be disrupted by a 1923 01:57:55.000 --> 01:57:57.319 building of either the ten or the one O one 1924 01:57:57.439 --> 01:58:01.119 or something. And they did an entire and it was 1925 01:58:01.159 --> 01:58:04.399 based on true story and they did an entire goo ahead. 1926 01:58:05.520 --> 01:58:07.359 Well, no, no, that's the that's the video that I 1927 01:58:07.399 --> 01:58:09.279 was good. That's the video that I sent is about 1928 01:58:09.319 --> 01:58:10.880 that neighborhood, sugar Hill exactly. 1929 01:58:11.720 --> 01:58:13.920 Yeah, we're all right. 1930 01:58:13.720 --> 01:58:16.960 So then talk about it because that was that's an 1931 01:58:17.000 --> 01:58:19.479 example of advocacy. And I would love to just hear 1932 01:58:19.520 --> 01:58:21.840 more because you made a point of saying, like there 1933 01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:24.920 are pen people who have fought this, and we always 1934 01:58:24.960 --> 01:58:27.880 have to make sure to acknowledge that or else you 1935 01:58:28.000 --> 01:58:30.960 just become so disenchanted and to moralize thinking that the 1936 01:58:31.039 --> 01:58:33.640 power is, you know, so overpowering. 1937 01:58:34.760 --> 01:58:37.720 Oh yeah, well, And one of the reasons I do 1938 01:58:37.840 --> 01:58:42.600 this whole project is basically to show that infrastructure is 1939 01:58:42.640 --> 01:58:47.760 the result of decisions and choices that we made and 1940 01:58:48.079 --> 01:58:50.920 not not even that long ago in some cases. So 1941 01:58:51.119 --> 01:58:54.239 even though highways seem like they're natural and really like 1942 01:58:54.279 --> 01:58:56.960 the layout of cities seems like it's natural and almost 1943 01:58:56.960 --> 01:58:59.239 like a mountain or a river, these things weren't built 1944 01:58:59.279 --> 01:59:02.800 that long ago, so we can totally change them. So 1945 01:59:03.279 --> 01:59:04.680 a lot of what I talk about can seem kind 1946 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:08.199 of depressing, but it is also with the undertone or 1947 01:59:08.239 --> 01:59:10.399 I'm trying to say that, like we can absolutely change 1948 01:59:10.439 --> 01:59:12.199 these things because it's the built environment. 1949 01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:15.399 We built it. So I'm an architect, as like, by 1950 01:59:16.399 --> 01:59:17.000 great job. 1951 01:59:17.479 --> 01:59:20.560 Yeah, this isn't my full time I mean, I'm doing 1952 01:59:20.640 --> 01:59:23.720 this is my PhD project basically, and it's very much 1953 01:59:23.760 --> 01:59:26.680 related to what I do for work, because I work 1954 01:59:26.720 --> 01:59:30.880 on sort of reconnecting communities projects and that's sort of 1955 01:59:30.880 --> 01:59:31.359 the solution. 1956 01:59:32.520 --> 01:59:37.239 I mean. But there's something very clear in stating these 1957 01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:40.800 are decisions, right, because then that leads us to decisions 1958 01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:44.920 I'm made by people and so people can be influenced, 1959 01:59:46.159 --> 01:59:49.560 which is what abgnacy ends up being about, right, like 1960 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:52.920 how to influence the people who are making decisions to 1961 01:59:52.960 --> 01:59:55.960 make decisions that are for the people versus for profit. 1962 01:59:57.399 --> 02:00:02.399 Yeah. Absolutely, and the lessons in chemistry. Example. So that 1963 02:00:02.520 --> 02:00:03.359 was the ten I. 1964 02:00:03.279 --> 02:00:08.039 Think the Santa Monica Freeway. I mean, ultimately they weren't successful. 1965 02:00:08.159 --> 02:00:12.920 That was the sixties. It was a very wealthy neighborhood, 1966 02:00:12.960 --> 02:00:19.720 very wealthy black neighborhood in West Adams in Los Angeles. 1967 02:00:20.399 --> 02:00:22.640 It's Hattie McDaniel lived there, who was the first black 1968 02:00:22.680 --> 02:00:23.960 woman to win an Oscar. 1969 02:00:25.159 --> 02:00:30.039 Ethel waters Louis Beaver's Who's a Broadway star. 1970 02:00:30.239 --> 02:00:32.720 So it was very it was like a wealthy neighborhood. 1971 02:00:32.840 --> 02:00:36.119 So and and what's illustrative about that about this point 1972 02:00:36.159 --> 02:00:41.680 is it's it's not just that it was poor neighborhoods 1973 02:00:41.680 --> 02:00:44.560 that were because because people could say like, oh, well, no, 1974 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:49.319 it's poor neighborhoods around downtown that that are reducing property valley. 1975 02:00:49.319 --> 02:00:51.359 So it's like no, Sometimes these were straight up like 1976 02:00:51.560 --> 02:00:54.800 rich neighborhoods, as is the case in sugar Hill, because 1977 02:00:54.800 --> 02:00:57.279 sugar Hills like right off downtown or West Adams is 1978 02:00:57.359 --> 02:00:59.399 Sugar Hills, like a smart sub part of West ANIMs 1979 02:00:59.479 --> 02:01:02.479 right up downtown. So it's the same thing. It's it's 1980 02:01:02.520 --> 02:01:07.159 who's there, even if they're wealthy. You know it DC 1981 02:01:07.520 --> 02:01:11.359 like there was basically a plan to build it never 1982 02:01:11.399 --> 02:01:13.560 got finished. But you know there's a there's a highway 1983 02:01:13.560 --> 02:01:15.159 that goes under the mall and then kind of pops 1984 02:01:15.239 --> 02:01:17.079 up that was supposed to be a full loop that 1985 02:01:17.119 --> 02:01:20.239 would have like built a wall right next to Howard, 1986 02:01:21.119 --> 02:01:23.760 cutting Howard off from the downtown area. Right as if 1987 02:01:23.960 --> 02:01:29.960 Howard is lowering property values. That that got stopped because 1988 02:01:30.000 --> 02:01:34.800 of successful advocacy. And it is often college towns that 1989 02:01:34.840 --> 02:01:36.720 often are able to do that. But that's that's a 1990 02:01:36.720 --> 02:01:41.199 different issue. Uh what was I saying, Oh, advocates. 1991 02:01:41.239 --> 02:01:44.479 Yes, so they they weren't successful in that case because 1992 02:01:44.479 --> 02:01:45.199 that was the sixties. 1993 02:01:45.199 --> 02:01:48.760 There was nothing they could have done really right. But today, 1994 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:54.920 indeed there's there's move people recognize. I mean, I'm not 1995 02:01:55.000 --> 02:01:57.039 the first person to say this or you know, I'm 1996 02:01:57.079 --> 02:02:00.439 really just building off of sort of deck aids of 1997 02:02:00.479 --> 02:02:02.600 people talking about this stuff. And then there's obviously the 1998 02:02:02.720 --> 02:02:07.079 lived experience I've used sort of what I'm doing is 1999 02:02:09.079 --> 02:02:11.920 communicating it through a like using the skills that I 2000 02:02:11.920 --> 02:02:15.359 have as an architect and city planner to communicate it 2001 02:02:17.119 --> 02:02:21.079 in a way that's accessible because this exists in books, 2002 02:02:23.239 --> 02:02:25.319 but a lot of us don't read anymore, but that 2003 02:02:25.760 --> 02:02:28.960 we should. But then, and one of the best books 2004 02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:31.680 about this, for for New York folks you know, is 2005 02:02:31.720 --> 02:02:36.800 The Power Broker, which is a fifteen. It's a biography 2006 02:02:36.840 --> 02:02:41.920 of this guy, Robert Moses, who is the uh he 2007 02:02:42.039 --> 02:02:45.159 sort of originated this in a lot of ways. He's 2008 02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:48.079 the one who came up with this use of highways 2009 02:02:48.119 --> 02:02:52.600 to clear out neighborhoods, basically, use of highways not just 2010 02:02:52.640 --> 02:02:56.359 for transportation, but to remove neighborhoods viewed as undesirable. That 2011 02:02:56.560 --> 02:03:00.439 goes back to him in New York. And a lot 2012 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.079 of what he did in New York gets emulated everywhere. 2013 02:03:05.000 --> 02:03:07.359 So yeah, that's well, that's that's public housing. 2014 02:03:08.399 --> 02:03:15.399 So the oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. 2015 02:03:15.359 --> 02:03:19.439 This is he created this method and it got copy 2016 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:20.079 and pasted. 2017 02:03:21.359 --> 02:03:23.239 Yeah, so he yes. 2018 02:03:23.600 --> 02:03:27.479 Basically the answer is yeah, he a lot of the 2019 02:03:27.520 --> 02:03:29.000 highways he built in New York, so like the b 2020 02:03:29.159 --> 02:03:33.920 QI and the Cross Bronx in particular, they actually they 2021 02:03:33.960 --> 02:03:38.399 predate the interstate system, but. 2022 02:03:38.479 --> 02:03:40.239 They become the model for the interstate. 2023 02:03:42.079 --> 02:03:46.560 So the cross Bronx, the Cross Bronks in particular, cuts 2024 02:03:46.600 --> 02:03:51.159 through the South Bronx and divides the north, the northern 2025 02:03:51.199 --> 02:03:53.920 more white part from the southern Puerto Rican black part. 2026 02:03:54.640 --> 02:03:58.359 And it also it reinforces that division and creates it 2027 02:03:58.399 --> 02:04:01.960 in a lot of ways. So he's really the first 2028 02:04:01.960 --> 02:04:04.479 to route highways, to use highways in such a way 2029 02:04:04.520 --> 02:04:08.119 to achieve this dual purpose. And he's the one who 2030 02:04:08.199 --> 02:04:13.680 lobbies for the creation of Yeah, and that's the demolition 2031 02:04:13.720 --> 02:04:16.000 of San Juan Hill is an exact it is an 2032 02:04:16.000 --> 02:04:18.640 exact example of like that's right up against that's right 2033 02:04:18.720 --> 02:04:21.199 north of fifty ninth Street, right, So it's this Puerto 2034 02:04:21.279 --> 02:04:24.600 Rican neighborhood that's viewed as potentially impacting the values of 2035 02:04:24.600 --> 02:04:26.920 the Upper West Side and then down into Midtown. So 2036 02:04:27.359 --> 02:04:33.159 level it especially, it's such valuable land because of where 2037 02:04:33.199 --> 02:04:37.079 it is. Yeah, you know, So it's this there's these 2038 02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:41.279 conflicting aims, right, It's like Downtown New York is always 2039 02:04:41.279 --> 02:04:45.399 a little different, but like Downtown's are becoming devalued, but 2040 02:04:45.439 --> 02:04:48.760 there's still this recognition of incredible potential because of the 2041 02:04:48.760 --> 02:04:53.039 centrality so they're always demolishing stuff and rebuilding. 2042 02:04:53.399 --> 02:04:57.479 You know, so how did how did how did you 2043 02:04:57.680 --> 02:05:03.479 get this way? How did you become a high quada 2044 02:05:03.640 --> 02:05:05.880 tee white? How did it happen? 2045 02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:07.319 Oh? My god? 2046 02:05:07.600 --> 02:05:11.840 Well, I didn't talk much about advocates because they are 2047 02:05:11.960 --> 02:05:14.319 but we can, we can talk about them. But for 2048 02:05:14.560 --> 02:05:18.880 you know, for me, there's a couple of things I did. 2049 02:05:19.439 --> 02:05:21.640 That book, The Power Broker is fifteen hundred pages long. 2050 02:05:21.720 --> 02:05:23.880 I to some extent got tired of telling people to 2051 02:05:23.960 --> 02:05:24.720 read that book. 2052 02:05:26.199 --> 02:05:31.039 It does in the first place, Oh, it's the whole 2053 02:05:31.079 --> 02:05:34.399 history of New York unfortunately. 2054 02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:36.880 But you're from Miami. I got to get to the 2055 02:05:36.880 --> 02:05:40.079 bottom of how you became this person? Are your periods? 2056 02:05:40.199 --> 02:05:42.119 Yeah, but the history of New York is the history 2057 02:05:42.159 --> 02:05:44.840 of American urbanism. I know New York is special in 2058 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:48.159 a lot of ways because it is different. But everybody 2059 02:05:48.199 --> 02:05:53.640 emulates New York always it. It's it's contradictory, right, New 2060 02:05:53.720 --> 02:05:56.600 York is like the most European and San Francisco. But 2061 02:05:56.600 --> 02:06:00.239 but you know, the every other city emulates what New 2062 02:06:00.279 --> 02:06:05.119 York does infrastructurally and economically, they try, but infrastructurally specifically, 2063 02:06:06.439 --> 02:06:08.119 so they Yeah, the history. 2064 02:06:07.640 --> 02:06:10.119 Interested in city planning and infrastructure. 2065 02:06:10.239 --> 02:06:15.520 You have to understand New York, yes period, Yeah, in 2066 02:06:15.560 --> 02:06:16.359 the West. 2067 02:06:17.680 --> 02:06:21.159 And no actually worldwide because uh, you know in in 2068 02:06:22.000 --> 02:06:24.720 well absolutely like the the highway Mecha. I'm not as 2069 02:06:24.760 --> 02:06:30.319 familiar with Chinese cities, but the limited access highway as 2070 02:06:30.319 --> 02:06:32.840 we know it, which China has built quite a lot 2071 02:06:32.840 --> 02:06:37.600 of has its origin. The urban limited access highway has 2072 02:06:37.600 --> 02:06:41.960 its origin in Robert Moses, who is his New York 2073 02:06:42.399 --> 02:06:45.359 and and he took up you know, he didn't invent 2074 02:06:45.439 --> 02:06:47.800 the limit. When I say limited access highway, I'm talking 2075 02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:50.000 about like the interstate. You know, it's cars only, it's 2076 02:06:50.039 --> 02:06:54.680 it's there's no direct intersections with roads. That really goes back. 2077 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:56.880 That really goes back to the autobon in Germany, which 2078 02:06:56.920 --> 02:07:03.439 is Nazis right, But uh, that is a little different 2079 02:07:03.479 --> 02:07:08.239 because that didn't go into cities. It's I don't necessarily 2080 02:07:08.279 --> 02:07:11.319 have a problem between with with highways between cities. 2081 02:07:12.119 --> 02:07:16.199 Uh, it's when you it's when you disrupt. 2082 02:07:15.600 --> 02:07:18.159 It's when you cut into the middle, right exactly, because 2083 02:07:18.159 --> 02:07:20.439 you don't need to have automobile access to the middle 2084 02:07:20.479 --> 02:07:20.880 of a city. 2085 02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:23.199 That's what Well, why do you have a problem with this? 2086 02:07:23.720 --> 02:07:26.680 Who are your parents, How are you raised? Why are 2087 02:07:26.720 --> 02:07:31.479 you like this? Because this is real? Because people see 2088 02:07:31.479 --> 02:07:35.800 this and they see how do I capitalize on this? Right? 2089 02:07:35.880 --> 02:07:38.840 People see this through different Everyone sees these types of 2090 02:07:38.840 --> 02:07:41.319 things through different lenses. And so, you know, part of 2091 02:07:41.319 --> 02:07:47.760 my work in decolonizing is trying to understand the different 2092 02:07:47.800 --> 02:07:50.800 ways that folks are shaped to see things through a 2093 02:07:50.920 --> 02:07:55.800 lens of community versus a lens of how do I exploit? 2094 02:07:56.279 --> 02:07:58.640 So why do you feel like you're somebody who sees 2095 02:07:58.760 --> 02:08:05.560 lens who sees a lens of community? You've never been 2096 02:08:05.600 --> 02:08:06.600 asked that question. 2097 02:08:06.439 --> 02:08:09.399 But no, no, no, no, Well you know you're right, 2098 02:08:09.399 --> 02:08:13.000 You're right. I really love cities. 2099 02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:14.319 Uh. 2100 02:08:16.319 --> 02:08:19.960 And yeah, I grew up in a So I'm from 2101 02:08:19.960 --> 02:08:23.560 South Florida, So I think maybe I am being exploitedive, 2102 02:08:23.680 --> 02:08:26.079 I just well, so I'll get to But I grew 2103 02:08:26.159 --> 02:08:30.159 up in South Florida in a suburb, so like my 2104 02:08:30.399 --> 02:08:32.319 you know, where recipients of like a lot of the 2105 02:08:32.399 --> 02:08:41.479 white flight stuff that you know became my parents' parents moved. 2106 02:08:41.239 --> 02:08:45.800 That they were white flight from the Bronx. Uh. 2107 02:08:46.079 --> 02:08:47.800 And I just I grew up in a suburb, and 2108 02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:51.359 I it's really I don't like it. I hate it's 2109 02:08:51.399 --> 02:08:55.399 it's you know, it's I you can't go anywhere. It's 2110 02:08:55.399 --> 02:08:59.039 it feels imprisoned and and and just land and there's 2111 02:08:59.199 --> 02:09:06.600 and a like spiritually devoid, you know, and a. 2112 02:09:08.479 --> 02:09:09.359 Versus. You know. 2113 02:09:09.439 --> 02:09:12.119 When I went to college, I went to Berkeley, so 2114 02:09:12.159 --> 02:09:16.119 I lived in a city for the first time, and 2115 02:09:16.319 --> 02:09:19.479 it's just it's so fun. It's so And this is 2116 02:09:19.479 --> 02:09:21.359 why I'm being like, I think it's like I just 2117 02:09:21.439 --> 02:09:26.039 really like the life and culture of a city, and 2118 02:09:26.079 --> 02:09:30.279 that that does require a certain and I think maybe 2119 02:09:30.279 --> 02:09:33.439 I'm being an architectural determinist. It does require like a 2120 02:09:33.479 --> 02:09:36.760 certain built environment, which is density and walkability and people 2121 02:09:37.000 --> 02:09:39.960 sort of living close to each other a city. 2122 02:09:40.279 --> 02:09:45.439 You know, not you identify racism because you like a city. 2123 02:09:46.439 --> 02:09:47.960 Is that what you're trying to tell me right now? 2124 02:09:49.079 --> 02:09:53.640 It's because how are you able to identify racism? 2125 02:09:54.079 --> 02:09:58.760 How Well, it's more than just because well, it's more 2126 02:09:58.800 --> 02:10:01.680 than just because I like this city. It's because anything 2127 02:10:04.159 --> 02:10:10.720 that's like worth, anything that's culturally interesting or uh sort 2128 02:10:10.720 --> 02:10:13.439 of exciting, is is in the. 2129 02:10:15.359 --> 02:10:19.680 Comes from the community that is made possible by a city. 2130 02:10:19.800 --> 02:10:20.000 Yeah. 2131 02:10:20.079 --> 02:10:23.000 No, I think that if if you just have everyone 2132 02:10:23.079 --> 02:10:25.520 living in this spread out suburb. You don't you don't 2133 02:10:25.520 --> 02:10:28.199 get any it's a very it's. 2134 02:10:28.279 --> 02:10:31.880 You don't get much culture, you don't get much. 2135 02:10:32.880 --> 02:10:36.000 Why did you go to birth Right and leave? You 2136 02:10:36.039 --> 02:10:38.600 need to know this for yourself. Why did you leave 2137 02:10:38.640 --> 02:10:39.079 birth Right? 2138 02:10:40.319 --> 02:10:44.319 Well, it was very very poorly planned, and it was 2139 02:10:44.359 --> 02:10:46.399 it was also whitewashing. 2140 02:10:45.800 --> 02:10:46.319 The whole thing. 2141 02:10:46.399 --> 02:10:49.600 Obviously I had to explain to people like what the 2142 02:10:49.760 --> 02:10:50.800 what the green line was. 2143 02:10:51.159 --> 02:10:53.680 But but no, I think putting it is like I 2144 02:10:53.760 --> 02:10:55.560 just like the city is a little bit is a 2145 02:10:55.600 --> 02:10:56.600 little bit reductionist. 2146 02:10:57.319 --> 02:11:01.319 I know that's my point. I don't think it's just 2147 02:11:01.439 --> 02:11:04.560 that you're putting it that way. But the reason why 2148 02:11:04.600 --> 02:11:07.600 I keep coming back to this is because this kind 2149 02:11:07.640 --> 02:11:14.000 of work has to have love beneath it, It has 2150 02:11:14.039 --> 02:11:18.279 to have meaning beneath it, beyond simply just the science 2151 02:11:18.359 --> 02:11:22.560 of it or else it's just being done by roche. 2152 02:11:22.880 --> 02:11:25.039 And so what I'm trying to understand from you is 2153 02:11:25.399 --> 02:11:30.239 what drives this beyond simply just the like of a city, 2154 02:11:30.319 --> 02:11:33.399 Because the things that you've said in this interview, there's 2155 02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:35.199 things that you've said in this interview that are very 2156 02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:39.399 clear indicators that you have a moral ground around this. 2157 02:11:39.560 --> 02:11:42.560 You have an ethical lens that you see this through. 2158 02:11:44.079 --> 02:11:50.119 Well, the way that we live currently urbanistically, which is 2159 02:11:50.159 --> 02:11:51.800 the way we all live. You know, even if you're 2160 02:11:51.840 --> 02:11:54.159 in a rural area, the way that we live currently 2161 02:11:54.279 --> 02:12:00.119 well is very extractive. Everything is about production, producing. 2162 02:12:01.760 --> 02:12:02.159 Capital. 2163 02:12:02.199 --> 02:12:05.399 Everything is just about and that's what all the suburbs 2164 02:12:05.399 --> 02:12:08.279 that's like. So the suburbs, you know, there's a reason 2165 02:12:08.319 --> 02:12:11.720 that that's what they pushed people to after World War 2166 02:12:11.760 --> 02:12:16.720 Two because the war engine. I don't mean to get 2167 02:12:16.720 --> 02:12:18.640 back to industory, but like the war engine had pulled 2168 02:12:18.680 --> 02:12:22.079 America out of World War two, or sorry, I'd pulled 2169 02:12:22.279 --> 02:12:26.680 America out of the Great Depression, and once the war ended, 2170 02:12:26.760 --> 02:12:28.600 you know, we really needed to keep that engine going. 2171 02:12:29.119 --> 02:12:31.880 And long story short, it wasn't very difficult for GM 2172 02:12:32.039 --> 02:12:36.920 to retool from making jet engines and jeeps to making cars. Right, 2173 02:12:37.279 --> 02:12:40.920 it wasn't hard for GE to switch from making jet 2174 02:12:40.960 --> 02:12:44.600 engines to making big appliances that you need for your house. 2175 02:12:45.079 --> 02:12:47.479 And then for developers it's a windfall and for car 2176 02:12:47.520 --> 02:12:48.680 companies it's a windfall. 2177 02:12:49.119 --> 02:12:49.680 This is like the. 2178 02:12:50.000 --> 02:12:53.760 Way that we have set up our system, which is 2179 02:12:55.159 --> 02:12:58.479 pushed people to live in this unnatural way because of racism, 2180 02:12:58.560 --> 02:13:02.159 because it said, this is a restricted way to this 2181 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:05.920 is a restricted tract, and so your property values will 2182 02:13:05.960 --> 02:13:06.359 be safe. 2183 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:07.800 Why do you have a problem with that? 2184 02:13:11.840 --> 02:13:13.119 Why you know. 2185 02:13:13.119 --> 02:13:15.720 It's not normal? White people don't typically have a problem 2186 02:13:15.720 --> 02:13:18.720 with racism. I don't know if you know that, But 2187 02:13:18.760 --> 02:13:21.920 that's like not normal. Like we don't live in a 2188 02:13:22.119 --> 02:13:26.359 world where majority white people see racism and say that's 2189 02:13:26.359 --> 02:13:29.720 my problem, or where they see it and say, I 2190 02:13:29.720 --> 02:13:31.279 want to get to the bottom of that. I want 2191 02:13:31.319 --> 02:13:35.600 to understand why they're doing that. They don't, and so 2192 02:13:35.680 --> 02:13:38.560 the ones that do, I want to know that. I 2193 02:13:38.640 --> 02:13:39.960 want to know the chemistry. 2194 02:13:40.319 --> 02:13:42.800 Well, there's an obvious I mean, there's the moral imperative. 2195 02:13:42.880 --> 02:13:46.880 But you say that as if you have not seen 2196 02:13:46.880 --> 02:13:50.439 the world we're in. We're watching a genocide and people 2197 02:13:50.520 --> 02:13:54.800 are fine with it. So the moral imperative is something 2198 02:13:54.840 --> 02:13:57.760 that is like a seed within people that either gets 2199 02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:01.760 fertilized or it gets withered. And so I'm curious with 2200 02:14:01.800 --> 02:14:05.279 you how it has considered, how has continued to be fertilized. 2201 02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:08.079 And then you went to Berkeley, which we know is 2202 02:14:08.319 --> 02:14:12.560 you know it's not like you went to Liberty University. Well, 2203 02:14:13.199 --> 02:14:15.760 you know, the architecture program. 2204 02:14:15.600 --> 02:14:18.039 It's it's I in this realm. 2205 02:14:18.119 --> 02:14:19.880 I feel like I can do something about it as 2206 02:14:19.920 --> 02:14:24.119 an architect, as someone who is in the the built environment, 2207 02:14:24.199 --> 02:14:27.159 because I think that the entire So the reason I'm 2208 02:14:27.520 --> 02:14:31.159 like focus on on segregation by design is because the 2209 02:14:31.319 --> 02:14:35.119 history of and not just history, but the present form 2210 02:14:35.159 --> 02:14:38.680 of American cities unfortunately is driven by race. 2211 02:14:39.600 --> 02:14:39.680 Uh. 2212 02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:43.960 Is is the layout of our linear infrastructure and of 2213 02:14:44.000 --> 02:14:48.039 our zoning. I mean our zoning code goes back to racism. 2214 02:14:48.359 --> 02:14:51.880 So for me, like, it's, uh, it's like a rabbit 2215 02:14:51.880 --> 02:14:54.399 hole tumbling down, Like why why is that highway there? 2216 02:14:54.479 --> 02:14:55.520 Why does it curve there? 2217 02:14:55.560 --> 02:14:57.239 Why does it it's because, oh, why does it go 2218 02:14:57.239 --> 02:14:59.640 through that neighborhood and not that one? 2219 02:14:59.760 --> 02:15:00.079 You know? 2220 02:15:00.079 --> 02:15:03.680 Why are there seven highways and Boyle Heights but none 2221 02:15:04.319 --> 02:15:08.399 in but like one on the west side right the 2222 02:15:08.439 --> 02:15:13.600 ten It's so, oh, and why do I care about racism? 2223 02:15:13.680 --> 02:15:13.840 Right? 2224 02:15:15.079 --> 02:15:17.319 Everybody's asking the question because you have yet to answer it. 2225 02:15:17.399 --> 02:15:19.920 We're not really sure why you're not giving us the 2226 02:15:19.960 --> 02:15:23.920 answer about why you care about racism. I don't even 2227 02:15:23.960 --> 02:15:25.319 know if you know why you care about. 2228 02:15:25.159 --> 02:15:26.600 Racism because it's wrong? 2229 02:15:29.039 --> 02:15:31.960 Why do you think racism is wrong? Who taught you 2230 02:15:32.039 --> 02:15:36.239 that that's a good question. 2231 02:15:38.800 --> 02:15:42.600 I mean, I guess my parents, you know, we've seen. 2232 02:15:42.399 --> 02:15:46.520 The opposite, right, Like, the environments that are shaping people 2233 02:15:46.560 --> 02:15:49.159 who think this way have to be examined the same 2234 02:15:49.159 --> 02:15:51.640 way that they have to be examined morally, the same 2235 02:15:51.640 --> 02:15:54.640 way you're examining, you know, infrastructurally. 2236 02:15:55.239 --> 02:15:56.399 So you see what I'm saying. 2237 02:15:56.680 --> 02:15:59.479 Oh, absolutely, so I no, I think so yeah. And 2238 02:16:00.039 --> 02:16:04.840 there's a great book. So thanks for I think I 2239 02:16:05.159 --> 02:16:07.479 this is this is the therapy session. Thank you very much. 2240 02:16:08.560 --> 02:16:12.039 But there's a great book by Heather McGee called The 2241 02:16:12.079 --> 02:16:18.079 Some of Us. So the central metaphor of her book 2242 02:16:18.119 --> 02:16:24.079 is basically public swimming pools. So yeah, yeah, so public 2243 02:16:24.079 --> 02:16:26.840 swimming pools. They used to be very common. They used 2244 02:16:26.840 --> 02:16:28.319 to be very common in American cities. 2245 02:16:29.000 --> 02:16:30.279 Uh. And they were segregated. 2246 02:16:30.319 --> 02:16:33.440 They were whites only, right, so, and and a lot 2247 02:16:33.479 --> 02:16:37.600 of them they were like big beautiful artis that it's 2248 02:16:38.360 --> 02:16:42.559 it's they were like WPA stuff, so art deco, beautiful architecturally, 2249 02:16:43.559 --> 02:16:47.360 and again whites only. But then in the fifties, as 2250 02:16:47.399 --> 02:16:50.440 as desegregation comes down from the courts, they say to 2251 02:16:50.479 --> 02:16:53.959 these local facilities, to these municipal public swimming pools, you 2252 02:16:54.040 --> 02:17:01.760 have to desegregate, and rather than doing that, a lot 2253 02:17:01.760 --> 02:17:04.120 of a lot of cities just drained the pools and 2254 02:17:04.159 --> 02:17:07.680 demolished them. They got rid of it. 2255 02:17:07.840 --> 02:17:12.120 Buffalo, Saint Louis, Montgomery, Birmingham, the South, all of them. 2256 02:17:12.559 --> 02:17:15.079 It's that they're got in Boston. 2257 02:17:16.440 --> 02:17:19.200 And then after that you see the rise of backyard 2258 02:17:19.239 --> 02:17:23.079 swimming pools, especially in places where it wasn't necessarily like 2259 02:17:23.120 --> 02:17:28.559 the vernacular before. So what's interesting in that case is basically, 2260 02:17:28.559 --> 02:17:33.879 in order to uphold white supremacy, we got rid of 2261 02:17:33.879 --> 02:17:35.319 a public good. 2262 02:17:35.559 --> 02:17:36.600 And we privatized it. 2263 02:17:36.680 --> 02:17:38.520 We made it only for people who could afford a 2264 02:17:38.559 --> 02:17:39.639 backyard swimming pool. 2265 02:17:42.360 --> 02:17:45.959 And that is to some extent what we did. 2266 02:17:46.000 --> 02:17:50.879 With the American city with with education. 2267 02:17:51.239 --> 02:17:53.520 Obviously, with education, we're telling us. 2268 02:17:53.399 --> 02:17:55.239 All things that we know except for the thing we 2269 02:17:55.280 --> 02:17:57.840 don't know, which is why you care about this? 2270 02:17:58.639 --> 02:18:03.840 We sure, well, I guess I don't need to be 2271 02:18:03.840 --> 02:18:04.639 here there. 2272 02:18:04.520 --> 02:18:07.159 But we didn't know about what you were talking about before. 2273 02:18:07.239 --> 02:18:09.760 But you're here because I bring back. 2274 02:18:09.799 --> 02:18:12.200 That's why it's interesting to me is because how that 2275 02:18:12.200 --> 02:18:16.479 that zero sum is self defeating for everybody. I mean, 2276 02:18:17.479 --> 02:18:20.680 I don't know, there's the moral imperative that I don't. 2277 02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:22.280 That I can't explained. 2278 02:18:22.360 --> 02:18:26.120 I think it's it's self evident if you see a 2279 02:18:26.200 --> 02:18:29.760 wrong that you have the capacity to do something about, 2280 02:18:29.760 --> 02:18:31.239 which I feel that I do as someone in the 2281 02:18:31.239 --> 02:18:33.799 built environment, you do something about it. So I don't know, 2282 02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:38.200 I can't explain that. But the zero sum if you 2283 02:18:38.239 --> 02:18:40.639 want to put it in a nature in a like 2284 02:18:40.639 --> 02:18:42.440 a why do I care? From a self interest point 2285 02:18:42.440 --> 02:18:45.600 of view, there's that zero sum game. We destroyed the 2286 02:18:45.639 --> 02:18:48.559 whole idea. I mean again, I love cities. We destroyed cities, 2287 02:18:48.559 --> 02:18:51.239 but we destroyed the whole idea of the public. You know, 2288 02:18:51.319 --> 02:18:56.680 everything that's public. The word public has become a dog 2289 02:18:56.680 --> 02:18:59.680 whistle for but the word public has become a dog 2290 02:18:59.719 --> 02:19:03.040 whistle for for for black you know, uh, where I'm 2291 02:19:03.040 --> 02:19:07.159 from in South Florida, Like, uh, you say you're taking 2292 02:19:07.200 --> 02:19:09.399 public transit, you say you're taking tri rail, and everyone's like, 2293 02:19:09.440 --> 02:19:11.239 oh my god, you're gonna get stabbed, Like that's what 2294 02:19:11.239 --> 02:19:11.680 people say. 2295 02:19:11.719 --> 02:19:14.479 It's like, and that's that's racism obviously. 2296 02:19:14.600 --> 02:19:17.440 But but it's this idea that of the public just 2297 02:19:17.559 --> 02:19:26.440 being racialized, and that's you can't that's that's that's not 2298 02:19:26.760 --> 02:19:30.360 that's a that's a decrepit society. That's that's uh, that's 2299 02:19:30.399 --> 02:19:32.319 one where it's feudalism. 2300 02:19:32.520 --> 02:19:35.079 You know, if you don't have a public it's it's 2301 02:19:35.600 --> 02:19:36.479 when what the hell is that? 2302 02:19:36.559 --> 02:19:39.479 So yeah, selfishly, I don't want to live in a 2303 02:19:39.520 --> 02:19:44.520 society that's just divide and conquer by capitalists, which is 2304 02:19:44.559 --> 02:19:47.239 what which is why they've taken up that. You know, 2305 02:19:47.280 --> 02:19:49.520 they themselves are racist. But why racism is such a 2306 02:19:49.559 --> 02:19:53.399 useful tool, Uh, Because because I guess, yeah, there's a 2307 02:19:53.399 --> 02:19:55.159 lot of people there. I mean, for there's a lot 2308 02:19:55.159 --> 02:19:57.639 of people who are just more self who are who 2309 02:19:57.840 --> 02:20:02.520 think that the that they will get from their protected 2310 02:20:02.600 --> 02:20:10.840 mortgage are are more than everything that's lost by dismantling society. Yeah, 2311 02:20:10.879 --> 02:20:13.840 you know, so I care because I want to live 2312 02:20:13.879 --> 02:20:20.879 in a society. And the logical endpoint of this is death, 2313 02:20:21.159 --> 02:20:25.639 I don't know, is a poverty and nothing. 2314 02:20:27.360 --> 02:20:30.520 So one of the reasons I refer to myself as 2315 02:20:30.559 --> 02:20:33.840 an artistic intellectual is because I I've gone through the 2316 02:20:33.840 --> 02:20:36.719 graduate school program like I've gone through you know, academia, 2317 02:20:36.840 --> 02:20:40.079 and so much of academia does this thing where it 2318 02:20:40.239 --> 02:20:45.959 sterilizes intellectualism by making it you know, even if it's 2319 02:20:45.959 --> 02:20:48.479 not mathematic by trying to make it mathematic, right, like 2320 02:20:49.000 --> 02:20:53.239 trying to castrate the personhood from it, the morality, the 2321 02:20:53.280 --> 02:20:55.719 ethics from it, et cetera, and put it in these bubbles. 2322 02:20:55.760 --> 02:20:58.559 But we always see that what ends up living longer 2323 02:20:59.120 --> 02:21:02.600 than most studies are the ones that are actually grounded 2324 02:21:02.639 --> 02:21:07.879 in something more than just like the boxed version of something. 2325 02:21:07.920 --> 02:21:10.319 Even though PhD programs want to do this all the time, right, 2326 02:21:10.319 --> 02:21:13.760 they want to like break you down and make it like, No, 2327 02:21:13.879 --> 02:21:16.319 this can be for everybody, So it has to have 2328 02:21:16.399 --> 02:21:19.040 a very generic It either has to have a hyper 2329 02:21:19.040 --> 02:21:22.120 specific origineric point of view. And what I love about 2330 02:21:22.120 --> 02:21:26.200 your work is that it marriages those two things in 2331 02:21:26.280 --> 02:21:31.760 terms of the artistic intellectual, because it marriages the realities 2332 02:21:31.920 --> 02:21:35.879 of the moral and the a moral and unethical with 2333 02:21:36.200 --> 02:21:40.799 the actual scholarship around city planning. And a lot of 2334 02:21:40.840 --> 02:21:43.799 people won't see that, right, They just see it as 2335 02:21:43.920 --> 02:21:47.399 these are the blocks that we live on, and they 2336 02:21:47.399 --> 02:21:49.840 were created and now we live here. But no, they 2337 02:21:49.840 --> 02:21:53.680 were choices that were made, and even the scholarship around 2338 02:21:53.719 --> 02:21:56.680 that and how it's discussed as a choice, because there 2339 02:21:56.719 --> 02:22:00.120 are others who would do this same work and frame 2340 02:22:00.399 --> 02:22:05.680 as innovation. You know, Ezra client is looking at the 2341 02:22:05.799 --> 02:22:08.079 same thing and calling it abundance. 2342 02:22:09.200 --> 02:22:13.600 Right, yeah, which is kind of willfully ignorant of sort 2343 02:22:13.639 --> 02:22:17.280 of basic city planning principles because it's its issue is 2344 02:22:17.280 --> 02:22:21.159 like we are building houses, We're not building the right houses. 2345 02:22:21.399 --> 02:22:23.440 It's just so I saw this awful. 2346 02:22:24.559 --> 02:22:26.680 It wasn't that there were some elements it was okay, 2347 02:22:26.719 --> 02:22:29.239 but this article in the Times about like why we 2348 02:22:29.360 --> 02:22:31.319 need sprawl and it. 2349 02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:33.959 Was about this trash, so that doesn't surprise me. 2350 02:22:34.520 --> 02:22:36.719 Well, so it was about and there's some great people 2351 02:22:36.719 --> 02:22:38.680 who work there. I've I've written for them before. 2352 02:22:39.040 --> 02:22:40.959 I've been profiled by them twice. 2353 02:22:41.000 --> 02:22:44.360 There you go exactly, So it's like any yeah, but 2354 02:22:44.719 --> 02:22:45.959 but lately yeah, no, I know that. 2355 02:22:46.159 --> 02:22:50.239 And the route change and things, and you know, things 2356 02:22:50.280 --> 02:22:51.040 happened like. 2357 02:22:51.280 --> 02:22:53.159 And are women ruining the workplace? 2358 02:22:54.239 --> 02:22:58.200 I was, I was flying and that was like the 2359 02:22:58.239 --> 02:23:01.920 only article that had downloaded, and so I read way 2360 02:23:01.959 --> 02:23:03.319 too much of that before I was like, what the 2361 02:23:04.479 --> 02:23:04.799 it's like? 2362 02:23:04.920 --> 02:23:07.600 It was it was, I mean, they just put out 2363 02:23:07.600 --> 02:23:11.879 an article today, the case for overthrowing Maduro, Like oh 2364 02:23:11.920 --> 02:23:12.879 my god. 2365 02:23:14.840 --> 02:23:15.920 That's what is the phrase for that? 2366 02:23:16.000 --> 02:23:19.159 Like yellow journalism that sounds racist actually, but like we're 2367 02:23:19.479 --> 02:23:20.559 we're but. 2368 02:23:20.479 --> 02:23:24.000 It's yellow because it's callo. I mean it's not, it's 2369 02:23:24.040 --> 02:23:26.520 it's it's not CALO's not the word I'm looking for, 2370 02:23:26.600 --> 02:23:31.879 but it's it's it lacks courage. I mean, it's being 2371 02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:36.799 paid for. And I just pressed you. I wanted to 2372 02:23:36.840 --> 02:23:39.399 press you because because I know you're gonna be off, 2373 02:23:39.559 --> 02:23:41.120 come off of this and like have to go decompress 2374 02:23:41.159 --> 02:23:43.120 and probably take a nap. But I wanted to press 2375 02:23:43.200 --> 02:23:47.399 you because the work you're doing is the kind of 2376 02:23:47.479 --> 02:23:50.600 work that people don't want done. And I know that 2377 02:23:50.680 --> 02:23:54.319 you've already had to I'm sure argue why are you 2378 02:23:54.559 --> 02:23:56.520 doing this work? And I'm sure there's been people who've 2379 02:23:56.520 --> 02:23:58.760 been like, this is not really am I wrong? 2380 02:24:00.719 --> 02:24:02.840 Uh yeah, no exactly. I mean there's always people that 2381 02:24:02.920 --> 02:24:04.440 wonder why I'm doing it. 2382 02:24:05.520 --> 02:24:07.360 They're like, you're a blue eyed, good looking white man, 2383 02:24:07.399 --> 02:24:10.200 you have blonde hair, you can do whatever you want 2384 02:24:10.479 --> 02:24:13.239 in your dentim shirt. Why are you caring about this? 2385 02:24:13.879 --> 02:24:20.000 And there has to be it's like, I mean, for 2386 02:24:20.120 --> 02:24:24.159 lack of a better reference, Lady McBee and Macbeth when 2387 02:24:24.200 --> 02:24:27.719 she's trying to convince Macbeth to murder. The King says, 2388 02:24:28.159 --> 02:24:30.959 through our courage to the sticking place, and we shall 2389 02:24:31.000 --> 02:24:35.440 not be moved. And that is the type of energy 2390 02:24:35.479 --> 02:24:37.559 that has to be had, like we can't we don't 2391 02:24:37.559 --> 02:24:41.399 need allies, we need co conspirators. And that only happens 2392 02:24:41.479 --> 02:24:45.520 when people are morally driven with the work they're doing. 2393 02:24:45.559 --> 02:24:49.239 So when you say, like, I mean, I don't understand, 2394 02:24:49.280 --> 02:24:51.879 like you're asking me about something that just is in 2395 02:24:51.879 --> 02:24:57.239 my body, that's actually very like comforting to me to 2396 02:24:57.280 --> 02:24:59.639 hear someone say that, Like I'm not like this because 2397 02:24:59.680 --> 02:25:03.319 I was taught or because my society surroundings. You're like, 2398 02:25:03.440 --> 02:25:06.000 I'm like this because I'm like this, Leave me alone, Amanda, 2399 02:25:06.040 --> 02:25:08.239 I came on your show to talk about highways. 2400 02:25:10.120 --> 02:25:16.239 Well, I mean, I think it's natural to Oh is 2401 02:25:16.280 --> 02:25:16.639 it just me? 2402 02:25:16.719 --> 02:25:19.120 No, I was gonna say, I think it's natural to 2403 02:25:19.159 --> 02:25:24.840 try to strive for a better world, the utopia and 2404 02:25:25.040 --> 02:25:25.680 you have these. 2405 02:25:29.159 --> 02:25:30.559 I was like, did she just hang up on me 2406 02:25:30.600 --> 02:25:31.200 on her own show? 2407 02:25:31.520 --> 02:25:33.040 I was like, is it just me? I was, And 2408 02:25:33.079 --> 02:25:35.440 I was like, oh my gosh, I should have taken 2409 02:25:35.440 --> 02:25:37.360 advantage of that better. I think everyone's just like, let's see, 2410 02:25:39.959 --> 02:25:44.600 it's it's I think it's it's at least I think 2411 02:25:44.600 --> 02:25:46.639 it's natural to try to strive for a better world. 2412 02:25:47.239 --> 02:25:50.639 And and these are all problems. One of the reasons 2413 02:25:50.639 --> 02:25:52.479 I talk about this in particularly, these are all such 2414 02:25:52.600 --> 02:25:57.600 solvable problems. They're all there's and and they're so the 2415 02:25:57.639 --> 02:25:59.159 solutions are so precedented. 2416 02:25:59.239 --> 02:26:01.120 It's like, remove the highway and build a lot of 2417 02:26:01.120 --> 02:26:05.879 affordable housing and actually make it and redefine what affordable is. 2418 02:26:05.920 --> 02:26:09.399 So it move that bar down because it hasn't kept 2419 02:26:09.479 --> 02:26:13.239 up with inflation, obviously, But that's if we do, if 2420 02:26:13.239 --> 02:26:15.360 we do want to talk about solutions, That's that's one 2421 02:26:15.399 --> 02:26:17.920 of the reasons I I I have some time. If 2422 02:26:17.920 --> 02:26:19.399 we want to keep talking, I. 2423 02:26:19.399 --> 02:26:21.920 Would love to hear. And I hope that this also 2424 02:26:22.040 --> 02:26:27.000 extends to like indigenous communities because that's something we were 2425 02:26:27.000 --> 02:26:31.639 talking about earlier. How Like on a global scale, we're 2426 02:26:31.680 --> 02:26:38.559 seeing this exact effort being done through other methods, right, 2427 02:26:38.719 --> 02:26:44.760 But the effort of like separation of displacement and using 2428 02:26:45.000 --> 02:26:47.559 I mean, that's what this un that's what this Trump 2429 02:26:47.600 --> 02:26:50.760 Plan and Gaza literally is. I mean, it's we're going 2430 02:26:50.840 --> 02:26:57.000 to use development as a dog whistle for displacement. 2431 02:26:58.040 --> 02:26:59.440 Development is a way to salt the earth. 2432 02:27:00.120 --> 02:27:05.319 Development as a way to literally replace and make sure 2433 02:27:05.840 --> 02:27:07.920 replace what's there and make sure that what's there can 2434 02:27:07.959 --> 02:27:11.840 never come back. That's like if you look at you know, 2435 02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:16.680 Greenwood in Tulsa, the Black Wall Street, if you look 2436 02:27:16.680 --> 02:27:20.079 at it now it's mostly parking lot. They literally salted 2437 02:27:20.120 --> 02:27:23.440 the earth. I mean they paved the earth. And and 2438 02:27:24.079 --> 02:27:26.600 that's exactly what this Gaza plant is. Yeah, it's it's 2439 02:27:28.000 --> 02:27:31.120 there's a great book about Los Angeles called City of Courts, 2440 02:27:32.000 --> 02:27:35.680 about the the it's about basically the development of of 2441 02:27:35.840 --> 02:27:37.399 La But there's a good book or a good part 2442 02:27:37.399 --> 02:27:38.920 about the demolition of Bunker Hill. 2443 02:27:39.719 --> 02:27:39.840 Uh. 2444 02:27:39.920 --> 02:27:44.159 And he talks about how they clear out the street good, 2445 02:27:44.280 --> 02:27:45.440 they clear out everything. 2446 02:27:46.120 --> 02:27:46.559 Uh. 2447 02:27:46.639 --> 02:27:49.239 And they even they remove public transit links and it's 2448 02:27:49.280 --> 02:27:52.760 it's trying to they and they basically build a wall 2449 02:27:52.840 --> 02:27:55.760 between La Plaza and Bunker Hill. 2450 02:27:55.840 --> 02:27:59.120 So La Plaza is the sort of an Alvara street. 2451 02:27:59.760 --> 02:28:01.760 So he's talking about like they're trying to remove any 2452 02:28:01.879 --> 02:28:06.520 articulation between a non Anglo past between you know, passe 2453 02:28:06.719 --> 02:28:13.479 Los Angeles by literally, ah, removing the street connections, assaulting 2454 02:28:13.520 --> 02:28:19.120 the earth and getting rid of it. So absolutely, and 2455 02:28:20.360 --> 02:28:28.600 this has been done another place. Yeah, city of courts. 2456 02:28:26.799 --> 02:28:32.159 Because they always want to know what the book looks like. 2457 02:28:33.079 --> 02:28:34.520 City is this is this the book? 2458 02:28:35.159 --> 02:28:40.360 Yeah, and that's that's a picture of a Yeah, it's 2459 02:28:40.360 --> 02:28:41.959 a it's a it's a jail, right. 2460 02:28:42.479 --> 02:28:45.079 Uh, it's a federal jail, which is kind of unique. 2461 02:28:45.120 --> 02:28:47.840 But I'm gonna say, like, wait, a federal and dale. 2462 02:28:47.840 --> 02:28:50.920 That's a bit contradictive, but okay. 2463 02:28:50.600 --> 02:28:53.319 It's like a holding. It's because it's for the whole 2464 02:28:53.319 --> 02:28:55.680 West Coast. It's one of those things. 2465 02:28:56.399 --> 02:28:56.760 Uh. 2466 02:28:57.360 --> 02:29:00.879 But the the reason he uses that photo is because 2467 02:29:01.079 --> 02:29:03.399 he's talking about, you know, I talked about how they 2468 02:29:03.399 --> 02:29:06.559 clear out these neighborhoods and replace it with stuff designed 2469 02:29:06.600 --> 02:29:10.440 to attract white people back from the suburbs. Architecturally, that 2470 02:29:10.520 --> 02:29:14.920 takes the form of killing the street. So you get 2471 02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:19.559 rid of storefronts. You get rid of you get rid 2472 02:29:19.600 --> 02:29:22.440 of like human scale stuff on the street, storefronts basically, 2473 02:29:23.000 --> 02:29:27.719 and apartment and brownstones, brownstones, so anything that creates and 2474 02:29:27.799 --> 02:29:30.280 allows for store for street life you get rid of. 2475 02:29:30.319 --> 02:29:33.920 Because the street has become a sort of racialized thing 2476 02:29:34.040 --> 02:29:36.000 post white flight. So if you can get rid of 2477 02:29:36.040 --> 02:29:38.879 the street and replace it with again parking lots, or 2478 02:29:38.920 --> 02:29:41.959 like a building that's just a big wall, that's what 2479 02:29:42.000 --> 02:29:45.280 the city, that's what that is. Or a entrance to 2480 02:29:45.319 --> 02:29:49.719 a parking garage that's golden because then then you've gotten 2481 02:29:49.799 --> 02:29:51.479 rid of the connection to the street, and that's that's 2482 02:29:51.559 --> 02:29:55.680 like in Minneapolis they have a lot of skyways, like 2483 02:29:56.879 --> 02:30:00.600 overhead things that connect between buildings. New Or has this 2484 02:30:00.760 --> 02:30:04.120 like and they connect between office buildings, so you you 2485 02:30:04.159 --> 02:30:06.280 can drive into your parking garage and you never have 2486 02:30:06.399 --> 02:30:08.159 to even go down to the street. 2487 02:30:08.879 --> 02:30:11.520 So there's another reason. 2488 02:30:11.559 --> 02:30:13.879 And this is why, like I think, maybe like it's 2489 02:30:14.040 --> 02:30:19.159 my I care about it also because it's very bad design, 2490 02:30:19.399 --> 02:30:24.120 and it's bad for like your brain, and it's bad 2491 02:30:24.159 --> 02:30:26.559 for living. It's obviously bad for the environment. I haven't 2492 02:30:26.600 --> 02:30:29.239 even mentioned that it's obviously very bad for the environment. 2493 02:30:30.000 --> 02:30:33.799 This way that we have, We used racism to leverage 2494 02:30:33.799 --> 02:30:36.680 and create this way of living that is wildly inefficient 2495 02:30:37.159 --> 02:30:40.280 for anyone but developers and car companies. 2496 02:30:42.719 --> 02:30:48.840 It's it's honestly because it's a cancerous mindset, right, like 2497 02:30:48.920 --> 02:30:51.440 if we just keep expanding and developing and spanding, developing, 2498 02:30:51.479 --> 02:30:53.440 like you know, there's no limit, and it's like, well, 2499 02:30:53.440 --> 02:30:54.920 there is a limit, and then you have someone liking 2500 02:30:54.920 --> 02:30:56.840 on Musk who's like, well, my goal is to take 2501 02:30:56.879 --> 02:30:59.760 this money and go to Mars and create a new 2502 02:30:59.799 --> 02:31:03.680 world on Mars. It's like, we can't breathe. Yeah, we 2503 02:31:03.760 --> 02:31:06.280 can't breathe on Mars. Are you going to build an atmosphere? 2504 02:31:06.360 --> 02:31:07.879 Because that's the type of shit that they want to do, 2505 02:31:08.280 --> 02:31:10.159 Like they want to go and build an atmosphere and 2506 02:31:10.200 --> 02:31:13.440 privatize breathing. Like that's the type of stuff that these 2507 02:31:13.440 --> 02:31:13.959 people are on. 2508 02:31:15.280 --> 02:31:18.040 Like that's why. Yeah, I know, it's terrifying. It's like 2509 02:31:19.680 --> 02:31:21.520 growing up, you know, I'm a boy. 2510 02:31:21.680 --> 02:31:26.600 So like video games, you know, sci fi, like Halo whatever, 2511 02:31:26.920 --> 02:31:31.159 it's just in the future. Also in that series, space 2512 02:31:31.239 --> 02:31:33.520 travel is run I mean, the UN's not good, I 2513 02:31:33.600 --> 02:31:37.559 know that, but it is public. But so like Space 2514 02:31:37.639 --> 02:31:40.360 is run by like a public entity that's at least 2515 02:31:40.360 --> 02:31:43.639 for good. And then in the other there's like Aliens, 2516 02:31:44.120 --> 02:31:47.399 which that's all privatized and everything is like dark and dank, 2517 02:31:47.440 --> 02:31:49.479 and unfortunately that's what we're getting, I guess. 2518 02:31:49.559 --> 02:31:50.079 So fuck. 2519 02:31:51.760 --> 02:31:53.799 I mean, have you ever watched the Expanse? 2520 02:31:55.040 --> 02:31:55.399 Uh? 2521 02:31:55.520 --> 02:31:57.600 Yeah, I didn't finish it. I got to where they 2522 02:31:57.600 --> 02:32:00.600 opened the portal. It was really good. Though, should I 2523 02:32:00.600 --> 02:32:01.079 finish it? 2524 02:32:01.559 --> 02:32:07.239 You should? Yeah, you should had me in a choke 2525 02:32:07.280 --> 02:32:10.799 hold for I luckily waited to watch it until it 2526 02:32:10.840 --> 02:32:15.000 was finished, so I binged it for a good three weeks. 2527 02:32:15.200 --> 02:32:17.040 I lost a lot of my life to the expianense, 2528 02:32:17.319 --> 02:32:18.680 but it was worth every second. 2529 02:32:19.319 --> 02:32:21.719 Nice. Yeah, I mean that's like, that'll start galactical. 2530 02:32:22.000 --> 02:32:23.799 I was about to say, I'm about to do a rewatch. 2531 02:32:23.840 --> 02:32:25.440 I'm literally about to do a rewatch about it. So 2532 02:32:25.440 --> 02:32:26.719 I like to get because i feel like I have 2533 02:32:26.799 --> 02:32:29.760 a new consciousness and I'm like, am I a Cylon? 2534 02:32:30.520 --> 02:32:34.559 Maybe it gets a little off the rails, but in 2535 02:32:34.559 --> 02:32:35.920 interesting ways. 2536 02:32:36.360 --> 02:32:39.600 Yeah, you get to season four. Once Silon started being 2537 02:32:39.600 --> 02:32:41.639 like what you mean, I'm a Cylon? That's what you're saying. 2538 02:32:42.520 --> 02:32:43.360 It's like, what's going on? 2539 02:32:43.399 --> 02:32:46.280 And once once that guy starts his own religion, it's like, wait, 2540 02:32:46.399 --> 02:32:48.440 weren't you a scientist? 2541 02:32:48.520 --> 02:32:49.319 I don't understand. 2542 02:32:49.440 --> 02:32:51.639 And then they and then they like do Adam and 2543 02:32:51.639 --> 02:32:52.920 Eve all over again. But it's fine. 2544 02:32:52.959 --> 02:32:56.680 It's fine. I'm watching a chair company right now. Everyone 2545 02:32:56.719 --> 02:32:57.319 should watch that. 2546 02:32:57.319 --> 02:32:57.840 It's sod. 2547 02:32:57.840 --> 02:32:59.440 I was gonna say, do I need to stick to that? 2548 02:33:00.399 --> 02:33:05.760 Oh? I really? I loved Tim Robinson I adore him, didn't. 2549 02:33:05.520 --> 02:33:08.120 Have any idea where we were going. But I also 2550 02:33:08.159 --> 02:33:10.840 did that with severance and deeply regretted this because then 2551 02:33:10.840 --> 02:33:15.879 Severn turned out to be amazing. So I was saying 2552 02:33:15.399 --> 02:33:19.120 in episodes of The Chair Company, where you feel like. 2553 02:33:19.719 --> 02:33:23.600 Oh definitely, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I agree, I 2554 02:33:23.600 --> 02:33:28.440 would say keep watching excited. But back to solutions, by 2555 02:33:28.479 --> 02:33:30.600 the way, So yeah, we just we can take out 2556 02:33:30.600 --> 02:33:35.360 these highways and unfortunately, you know the that's not going 2557 02:33:35.399 --> 02:33:39.680 to bring back the community and in some cases taking 2558 02:33:39.719 --> 02:33:42.559 out the highway could lead to gentrification. 2559 02:33:45.040 --> 02:33:48.959 So right, because then it becomes well, now that we 2560 02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:53.200 don't have these highways, we need the rich class to 2561 02:33:53.280 --> 02:33:55.920 have easier access to the to the city, so we 2562 02:33:55.959 --> 02:33:57.760 bring them back. Yeah. 2563 02:33:57.760 --> 02:34:01.479 Well, and you think about where where the highways they're 2564 02:34:01.520 --> 02:34:03.719 taking out are again, it's the ones like right around downtown. 2565 02:34:04.159 --> 02:34:08.840 So that's super valid. Right now, there's a discussion. Yeah, 2566 02:34:08.879 --> 02:34:14.639 so in various cities there's been a discussion. You know, 2567 02:34:14.719 --> 02:34:17.360 highways were the Interstate in particular, so the Interstate was 2568 02:34:17.360 --> 02:34:21.040 built starting in the sixties. A lot of the main 2569 02:34:21.120 --> 02:34:22.879 major structures have sort of reached the end of their 2570 02:34:23.000 --> 02:34:25.760 useful life. That's why we see collapses of bridges in 2571 02:34:25.799 --> 02:34:29.760 like Minneapolis, and so they need there A lot of 2572 02:34:29.799 --> 02:34:33.239 them are in like desperate need of repair. So some 2573 02:34:33.440 --> 02:34:38.760 states are actually using the opportunity to make some progress. 2574 02:34:39.559 --> 02:34:41.840 New York is doing New York's doing pretty good. Rochester, 2575 02:34:42.200 --> 02:34:45.280 New York, took out a part of a highway that 2576 02:34:45.399 --> 02:34:50.959 separated the black neighborhoods from downtown interesting and replaced it 2577 02:34:51.000 --> 02:34:53.200 with affordable housing. So it's very recent. We'll see how 2578 02:34:53.200 --> 02:34:59.639 it pans out, but it looks beautiful at least. Again, 2579 02:34:59.639 --> 02:35:01.959 the issue is like affordable housing, what does that exactly mean? 2580 02:35:02.079 --> 02:35:05.600 But it is subsidized housing. So it's the best we 2581 02:35:05.639 --> 02:35:05.920 can do. 2582 02:35:06.000 --> 02:35:08.719 I mean, I try to be realistic within within the 2583 02:35:08.760 --> 02:35:12.959 current fond confines. But uh so that's that's there's like 2584 02:35:13.000 --> 02:35:16.760 removal is one option. This was a very underused highway. 2585 02:35:17.000 --> 02:35:19.840 But then there's capping. So that's sort of what they 2586 02:35:19.840 --> 02:35:21.959 did in Boston where they took an elevated highway and 2587 02:35:21.959 --> 02:35:27.040 put it underground. Uh yeah, with the big dig That's 2588 02:35:27.040 --> 02:35:28.879 not always a great option because there are still a 2589 02:35:28.920 --> 02:35:32.239 ton Yeah, because there's always there are still a ton 2590 02:35:32.239 --> 02:35:34.040 of cars and there still can be. 2591 02:35:33.959 --> 02:35:40.360 Pollution, like in the soil oh yeah, Oh well, yeah, there's. 2592 02:35:40.159 --> 02:35:43.600 That water, the water table, all that stuff. 2593 02:35:44.000 --> 02:35:45.639 And it's also if you're digging a tunnel in the 2594 02:35:45.639 --> 02:35:48.120 middle of a city, it should be for it should 2595 02:35:48.159 --> 02:35:50.799 be for a subway, probably not for a enough for 2596 02:35:50.799 --> 02:35:55.559 a highway. Just in terms of efficiency. Uh, it's sauce 2597 02:35:55.639 --> 02:35:56.040 with it. 2598 02:35:56.559 --> 02:35:58.280 You know what, We'll do this for five hours. 2599 02:36:00.120 --> 02:36:01.840 You have a graphic. I do have a graphic showing 2600 02:36:01.879 --> 02:36:02.440 the exhaust. 2601 02:36:02.959 --> 02:36:04.479 It's the It was one of the first I sent 2602 02:36:04.559 --> 02:36:09.200 it to the noise pollution and asthma rates in the Bronx, 2603 02:36:10.120 --> 02:36:12.680 but you see it in the South Bronx, which is 2604 02:36:12.680 --> 02:36:14.159 totally surrounded by highways. 2605 02:36:14.440 --> 02:36:16.760 Sorry, she's got the soulth Bronx, which is totally surrounded 2606 02:36:16.760 --> 02:36:17.360 by highways. 2607 02:36:18.399 --> 02:36:21.040 It has every census tract in the South Bronx is 2608 02:36:21.040 --> 02:36:24.239 in the ninety ninth percentile for asthma rates. 2609 02:36:24.639 --> 02:36:26.840 That's how I just want this keep going. 2610 02:36:26.879 --> 02:36:29.079 Yeah, because basically I realized that like if I just 2611 02:36:29.159 --> 02:36:31.639 like move my cursor too fast and left, it just 2612 02:36:31.680 --> 02:36:33.840 like kicks me out. And I don't know why it's 2613 02:36:33.840 --> 02:36:35.639 doing that, and I don't know whose idea that was, 2614 02:36:35.680 --> 02:36:37.680 but I'm going to have to write a very strong 2615 02:36:37.760 --> 02:36:41.159 letter strongly worded email to stream Yard because that is 2616 02:36:41.239 --> 02:36:45.239 not helpful. Let me see if I can find these 2617 02:36:45.319 --> 02:36:47.000 asthma rates. While you're talking. 2618 02:36:48.959 --> 02:36:50.000 Not a big deal of the camp, but. 2619 02:36:52.000 --> 02:36:57.200 Capping advocates, there's you know, the people who live next 2620 02:36:57.239 --> 02:37:01.120 to these highways obviously know that this there's negative effects, 2621 02:37:01.120 --> 02:37:04.120 and then in a lot of cases, their parents were 2622 02:37:04.159 --> 02:37:09.719 devastated by their neighborhoods being destroyed. So there's definitely a 2623 02:37:09.760 --> 02:37:11.719 lot of advocate advocacy, is what I'm trying to say. 2624 02:37:12.360 --> 02:37:14.520 You know, in the Bronx we're working on. 2625 02:37:16.079 --> 02:37:18.159 I've been in contact with the group there Loving the Bronx, 2626 02:37:18.360 --> 02:37:22.639 who's led by Nilkam Martel, who we all want to 2627 02:37:22.719 --> 02:37:24.440 run for city. 2628 02:37:24.159 --> 02:37:25.600 Council or something but she doesn't want to. 2629 02:37:25.920 --> 02:37:29.479 But she's basically single handedly pushed forward this project to 2630 02:37:29.719 --> 02:37:34.360 cap over I ninety five the Cross Bronx Expressway, and 2631 02:37:34.479 --> 02:37:37.559 it's it's gonna it's like a decade long project, but 2632 02:37:37.559 --> 02:37:40.399 we're like five years into it, so it's moving. It's 2633 02:37:40.479 --> 02:37:42.600 a massive project because it's like a seven mile long 2634 02:37:42.680 --> 02:37:43.200 highway and. 2635 02:37:43.159 --> 02:37:45.719 It's it's not any highway, it's I ninety five in 2636 02:37:45.799 --> 02:37:46.239 New York. 2637 02:37:48.040 --> 02:37:50.239 But it's moving forward, capping over it, going to build 2638 02:37:50.280 --> 02:37:53.639 a bunch of parks, you know. The ideal would be 2639 02:37:55.000 --> 02:38:00.520 to remove it and reconnect the neighborhood and then re 2640 02:38:00.639 --> 02:38:03.639 route I ninety five around New York. But then suddenly 2641 02:38:03.680 --> 02:38:06.479 that's sort of like a national project. So that's that's 2642 02:38:06.479 --> 02:38:08.399 one of the things that's so tough about these highways 2643 02:38:08.799 --> 02:38:11.079 in terms of fixing them, is that they have very 2644 02:38:11.120 --> 02:38:14.760 much local impacts, but they are part of a regional 2645 02:38:14.799 --> 02:38:18.799 network that when you shift something, you need to change 2646 02:38:18.799 --> 02:38:20.079 it things elsewhere. 2647 02:38:21.239 --> 02:38:22.760 I mean, I think this is also one of the 2648 02:38:22.799 --> 02:38:29.319 things that is not considered in when we think about 2649 02:38:29.360 --> 02:38:35.040 like socialist politicians being in position or socialist governance being 2650 02:38:35.079 --> 02:38:41.479 in position, like this idea of rethinking how cities exist 2651 02:38:42.719 --> 02:38:44.879 even and I don't I just don't think many of 2652 02:38:44.959 --> 02:38:48.120 us think about the road Like I don't really feel 2653 02:38:48.120 --> 02:38:50.440 like I have been doing enough thinking about the way 2654 02:38:50.479 --> 02:38:53.239 that the roads and the highways are lined up. So 2655 02:38:53.319 --> 02:38:58.159 can you just so the top one is noise pollution, 2656 02:38:58.319 --> 02:39:00.360 in the bottom one is asthma prevalence. 2657 02:39:00.840 --> 02:39:04.760 Exactly so that on the top one so and the 2658 02:39:04.799 --> 02:39:06.040 top one you can see the noise pollution. 2659 02:39:06.120 --> 02:39:09.200 And that map's right onto the highways where. 2660 02:39:09.000 --> 02:39:11.559 Those purple where those big thick purple lines are, that's 2661 02:39:11.559 --> 02:39:15.799 as loud as a jackhammer. So that's incredibly loud, and 2662 02:39:15.840 --> 02:39:18.920 there's tens of thousands of people that live in that 2663 02:39:18.959 --> 02:39:20.600 noise shit they have to just they just can't open 2664 02:39:20.600 --> 02:39:23.760 their windows, you know, and when they do, there's soot 2665 02:39:23.959 --> 02:39:27.079 and it's it's it's not just because it's not just 2666 02:39:27.159 --> 02:39:30.200 CO two I mentioned, it's like crap from the tires 2667 02:39:30.239 --> 02:39:34.079 and the brake pads. Yeah, and that's the Bronx. So 2668 02:39:34.120 --> 02:39:36.200 that's like one of the densest places in the United States. 2669 02:39:37.319 --> 02:39:39.959 So there's the noise pollution. So that one that cuts 2670 02:39:40.000 --> 02:39:42.639 across all the way is the Cross Bronx and it 2671 02:39:42.680 --> 02:39:45.159 connects to that bridge, those bridges on the other side. 2672 02:39:45.840 --> 02:39:50.399 So a lot of that's just through traffic. That's a 2673 02:39:50.440 --> 02:39:52.000 different point. But what we're trying to do is. 2674 02:39:51.920 --> 02:39:53.600 Basically building up Cross Bronx. 2675 02:39:54.319 --> 02:39:56.120 Yeah, but so what we're trying to do is basically 2676 02:39:56.159 --> 02:39:57.920 build a cap over it. So sort of a big 2677 02:39:57.959 --> 02:40:01.760 dig for the Bronx, but hopefully not as delayed. 2678 02:40:01.920 --> 02:40:05.159 So build a cap to run the highway, to run 2679 02:40:05.159 --> 02:40:10.719 the Cross Bronx underground, you know, the Crosspronx Lincoln Tunnel 2680 02:40:10.719 --> 02:40:11.360 tie Vibe. 2681 02:40:11.959 --> 02:40:14.399 Yeah, but the Cross Bronx basically is underground. It's just 2682 02:40:14.520 --> 02:40:16.040 in a trench with no top. 2683 02:40:16.520 --> 02:40:18.200 Yeah, because. 2684 02:40:19.159 --> 02:40:22.040 We're just talking about building a top over the which 2685 02:40:22.040 --> 02:40:23.959 is something that's really common here in the Netland. That's 2686 02:40:23.959 --> 02:40:26.120 actually one of the reasons I'm here in the Netherlands. 2687 02:40:27.559 --> 02:40:30.440 So this is I'm involved in this project through work 2688 02:40:30.479 --> 02:40:35.879 the Cross Bronx and my PhD is is basically looking 2689 02:40:36.040 --> 02:40:40.280 at the impact of capping on social and environmental metrics 2690 02:40:41.280 --> 02:40:44.280 around the cap. So they've done it quite a lot here, 2691 02:40:45.159 --> 02:40:47.760 so I'm looking to see did it work. Basically, did 2692 02:40:47.760 --> 02:40:50.239 it reduce pollution, did it improve mobility? 2693 02:40:50.319 --> 02:40:53.840 Did it did it gentrify. I'm trying to see yes 2694 02:40:53.959 --> 02:40:54.159 or no. 2695 02:40:55.840 --> 02:40:58.159 It's a bit different the context here, but a lot 2696 02:40:58.239 --> 02:40:59.520 of the tools we can still use. 2697 02:41:00.159 --> 02:41:03.719 Uh. And the answer is it's mixed. It depends how 2698 02:41:03.760 --> 02:41:05.120 you do it. But that's what I'm That's what I'm 2699 02:41:05.159 --> 02:41:06.719 trying to study and figure out. 2700 02:41:06.559 --> 02:41:09.680 Is how far into the PhD are you two. 2701 02:41:09.520 --> 02:41:10.319 And a half years? 2702 02:41:10.719 --> 02:41:11.680 Oh you got tam. 2703 02:41:12.879 --> 02:41:16.520 Uh, I should be done in about a year because 2704 02:41:16.559 --> 02:41:18.040 I have a lot of pre exist. I have a 2705 02:41:18.079 --> 02:41:21.760 lot of pre existing work, you know, and then we'll see. 2706 02:41:21.760 --> 02:41:22.440 Maybe I'll stay here. 2707 02:41:22.600 --> 02:41:24.360 I might. I'm probably gonna go back to New York, 2708 02:41:24.360 --> 02:41:27.920 but we'll see, Uh here, what's up? 2709 02:41:28.399 --> 02:41:29.280 Don't come back here? 2710 02:41:31.319 --> 02:41:32.959 Well yeah, but I should. 2711 02:41:33.159 --> 02:41:35.559 I feel like a phony talking about everything I'm talking 2712 02:41:35.600 --> 02:41:36.760 about being over here. 2713 02:41:37.319 --> 02:41:37.959 But that's. 2714 02:41:40.079 --> 02:41:44.719 What we have learned, y'all, is that Adam is about authenticity. 2715 02:41:45.639 --> 02:41:48.000 Well there there, but there is a lot we can 2716 02:41:48.079 --> 02:41:48.840 learn from here. 2717 02:41:48.920 --> 02:41:53.120 And I don't I don't mean like necessarily in terms 2718 02:41:53.120 --> 02:41:56.719 of like Amsterdam, but just the city that I'm in now, 2719 02:41:56.799 --> 02:42:00.959 Rotterdam was totally destroyed and world So first of all, 2720 02:42:00.959 --> 02:42:05.719 incredibly diversity. It's only about fifty percent Dutch. The rest 2721 02:42:06.239 --> 02:42:10.319 is yeah, the rest is immigrants, so it's mostly people 2722 02:42:10.360 --> 02:42:18.159 from Dutch colonies, Dutch colonial legacy, so it's Indonesians, it's Serenames, Kurasaw, 2723 02:42:20.360 --> 02:42:22.520 and then there's a lot of Turkish folks that's not 2724 02:42:22.559 --> 02:42:23.040 a colony. 2725 02:42:23.040 --> 02:42:25.760 But so it's incredibly diverse here. 2726 02:42:25.799 --> 02:42:28.040 It's the biggest port in Europe, so it also has 2727 02:42:28.079 --> 02:42:31.360 like a history of diversity like New York, you know, 2728 02:42:31.399 --> 02:42:36.159 big port city. Rotterdam rules, but it was unfortunately destroyed 2729 02:42:36.639 --> 02:42:41.120 in World War two and so totally flattened and then 2730 02:42:41.159 --> 02:42:47.200 rebuilt with American money and rebuilt the Marshall Plan. Rotterdam 2731 02:42:47.239 --> 02:42:48.760 got the most of any city in the Marshall Plan, 2732 02:42:49.280 --> 02:42:50.239 and we designed it. 2733 02:42:50.559 --> 02:42:53.680 You know, it wasn't totally on us. The Dutch. 2734 02:42:53.719 --> 02:42:56.799 We're happy to do modernism too, but we we redesigned 2735 02:42:56.920 --> 02:43:02.799 Rotterdam from the beautiful like Amsterdam like medieval city to 2736 02:43:03.479 --> 02:43:07.760 a modernist American thing, you know. And and just like 2737 02:43:07.799 --> 02:43:11.440 the American city before we destroyed it for highways and 2738 02:43:11.440 --> 02:43:16.399 and and urban renewal, rich people and poor people lived 2739 02:43:16.399 --> 02:43:22.159 close together, you know, immigrants and and natives lived close together. 2740 02:43:22.840 --> 02:43:24.760 And that was the same in the United States, right, 2741 02:43:24.799 --> 02:43:29.319 but we we destroyed it and and World War two 2742 02:43:29.319 --> 02:43:32.360 destroys it here and and they try to institute a 2743 02:43:32.360 --> 02:43:36.520 similar planning logic and they do, you know, zout becomes 2744 02:43:36.520 --> 02:43:39.959 the south becomes the poor area, uh and and north 2745 02:43:40.239 --> 02:43:46.840 and and and downtown becomes not residential at all. And 2746 02:43:46.879 --> 02:43:51.040 they hate it, people, the Dutch, they hate it because 2747 02:43:51.079 --> 02:43:55.920 they that's not how they live, you know, the the 2748 02:43:55.920 --> 02:43:59.319 their urban planning, you know, they had to make there's 2749 02:43:59.360 --> 02:44:01.959 this joke, the Dutch joke, like you know, God created 2750 02:44:02.000 --> 02:44:04.079 the earth but the Dutch created the Netherlands because the 2751 02:44:04.159 --> 02:44:07.399 Netherlands is mostly on reclaimed land, so they had to 2752 02:44:07.440 --> 02:44:09.920 like drain a lot of land. 2753 02:44:10.639 --> 02:44:12.719 But so they they have a very unique way of 2754 02:44:12.840 --> 02:44:13.360 urban planning. 2755 02:44:13.399 --> 02:44:17.120 It's very specific and tactical and like about about efficiency. 2756 02:44:17.319 --> 02:44:21.399 So then the Americans come in with this ridiculous spread 2757 02:44:21.399 --> 02:44:23.639 out way of living that is based on racism in 2758 02:44:23.959 --> 02:44:27.879 our way back in where we live. Other countries adopted 2759 02:44:28.159 --> 02:44:32.000 happily South South Africa, Belfast. 2760 02:44:31.479 --> 02:44:32.479 In Northern Ireland. 2761 02:44:32.840 --> 02:44:35.360 But the Dutch there there are plenty of racists. Don't worry. 2762 02:44:35.479 --> 02:44:37.040 But they oh, yes, we. 2763 02:44:37.040 --> 02:44:39.159 Know about smart smart. 2764 02:44:39.959 --> 02:44:40.200 Yeah. 2765 02:44:40.280 --> 02:44:43.280 Oh they're they're incredibly racist and they're they're they're big 2766 02:44:43.360 --> 02:44:46.360 racist dufaces in a lot of ways. 2767 02:44:46.840 --> 02:44:48.959 But when it comes urban planning, that's important to them. 2768 02:44:49.000 --> 02:44:53.159 So they in the seventies they had a moment of 2769 02:44:53.559 --> 02:44:57.079 like urbanism that we're sort of having in American cities now, 2770 02:44:57.479 --> 02:45:02.079 recognizing that you know, car culture is exclusive, is damaging. 2771 02:45:01.639 --> 02:45:03.520 Blah blah blah. So they had that in the seventies 2772 02:45:03.559 --> 02:45:08.920 and they have since fixed Rotterdam. And Rotterdam is a 2773 02:45:08.920 --> 02:45:11.719 city with bones just like America, because it was rebuilt 2774 02:45:11.799 --> 02:45:14.120 in the image of America where we're going with this, 2775 02:45:14.559 --> 02:45:15.399 But they fixed it. 2776 02:45:15.319 --> 02:45:18.120 So we can learn a lot from Rotterdam. Amsterdam is beautiful, 2777 02:45:18.120 --> 02:45:20.159 but it's medieval. We're not going to do that. But 2778 02:45:20.280 --> 02:45:24.120 Rotterdam has big, old wide boulevards and highways. But now 2779 02:45:24.120 --> 02:45:27.040 we have beautiful wide boulevards with bike lanes and trams. 2780 02:45:28.040 --> 02:45:31.959 I see what you're saying about this. Okay, you're saying 2781 02:45:32.000 --> 02:45:34.040 that you went to the place that is ahead of 2782 02:45:34.079 --> 02:45:38.719 where we could be. Yeah, that's ahead of where we 2783 02:45:38.760 --> 02:45:41.040 are as a model. 2784 02:45:40.719 --> 02:45:44.520 For where we can become urban planning wise, you're checking out? 2785 02:45:45.319 --> 02:45:49.319 Is it legit? I mean what? I think it's really 2786 02:45:49.319 --> 02:45:53.479 important work because it also allows you to see, well, 2787 02:45:53.920 --> 02:45:55.959 where are the ways it doesn't solve, and where is 2788 02:45:56.000 --> 02:45:57.760 the way that it does, and how do we solve 2789 02:45:57.760 --> 02:45:59.680 for the things that it doesn't solve? You know, which 2790 02:45:59.719 --> 02:46:02.879 is you know, so much of America is anti intellectual, 2791 02:46:02.920 --> 02:46:05.280 so it doesn't do that work. It just like bullies 2792 02:46:05.280 --> 02:46:07.959 its way through things versus like well wait, wait, wait, 2793 02:46:08.600 --> 02:46:11.479 somewhere else did it? And I know they're not American, 2794 02:46:12.520 --> 02:46:15.200 but they may have good ideas. 2795 02:46:15.920 --> 02:46:21.319 Yeah, no, there's it's that's American exceptionalism, right, it's we 2796 02:46:21.360 --> 02:46:23.879 think where they And there's New York exceptionalism too, right, 2797 02:46:23.920 --> 02:46:26.719 like we can't we can't learn from other places. 2798 02:46:28.399 --> 02:46:30.000 Especially when it comes to like the subway. 2799 02:46:30.000 --> 02:46:32.719 It's very frustrating, like there's we can't adopt best practices 2800 02:46:33.799 --> 02:46:35.760 because you know, we're the subway. We of course we 2801 02:46:35.840 --> 02:46:39.600 know how to do it. But yeah, no, I mean, 2802 02:46:39.600 --> 02:46:45.799 and and you do see the shortcomings. Absolutely, taxes are 2803 02:46:45.840 --> 02:46:53.879 really really really no I'm serious, Oh my god, And 2804 02:46:54.360 --> 02:46:55.520 uh do you but. 2805 02:46:55.559 --> 02:46:59.799 Do you but do you feel your taxes in your lifestyle? 2806 02:47:01.159 --> 02:47:09.399 Yes, exactly, Yes, the trains work, the streets are clean, fair, 2807 02:47:10.319 --> 02:47:13.799 but it's funny, yeah, basic things. I mean, I actually 2808 02:47:13.840 --> 02:47:16.079 think that the Netherlands itself could learn a lot from 2809 02:47:16.200 --> 02:47:21.559 Rotterdam because the rest of the Netherlands they say Rotterdam 2810 02:47:22.159 --> 02:47:28.760 like how Americans say Detroit or Chicago, like yeah, it's racialized, yeah, 2811 02:47:28.760 --> 02:47:32.879 oh absolutely, yeah yeah yeah, but but it's a beautiful 2812 02:47:32.879 --> 02:47:33.440 place here. 2813 02:47:34.719 --> 02:47:37.159 And well, let's let's answer a question before you go, 2814 02:47:37.280 --> 02:47:42.360 because I see someone just throw one out. Sight Williams says, question, 2815 02:47:42.680 --> 02:47:45.639 does the way the grid of the infrastructure affect the 2816 02:47:45.680 --> 02:47:48.399 flow of energy in our communities and or frequencies that 2817 02:47:48.440 --> 02:47:51.840 affect our way of life. I mean, it's like the 2818 02:47:51.840 --> 02:47:54.479 function way of it all. Yeah, but you were seeing 2819 02:47:54.520 --> 02:47:58.120 that it affects the environment, so yeah. 2820 02:47:57.360 --> 02:48:02.120 Well the grid. I really do want to answer that question. 2821 02:48:02.200 --> 02:48:02.920 I always do this. 2822 02:48:03.079 --> 02:48:06.680 I just want to say, just to put a bow 2823 02:48:06.760 --> 02:48:08.120 on the capping and the removal. 2824 02:48:08.239 --> 02:48:12.600 Thing that is great. 2825 02:48:13.959 --> 02:48:17.399 For making a better city, that is and making and 2826 02:48:17.559 --> 02:48:19.719 it's better for the environment, it's not necessarily always the 2827 02:48:19.760 --> 02:48:22.000 right thing for the community that we're trying to help 2828 02:48:22.600 --> 02:48:24.120 because of this issue of gentrification. 2829 02:48:24.200 --> 02:48:26.600 So it's just me. 2830 02:48:26.719 --> 02:48:29.040 I consider myself like an urbanist, like I do want 2831 02:48:29.079 --> 02:48:32.239 to improve cities, but we the way to do that 2832 02:48:32.399 --> 02:48:38.760 isn't always just more big infrastructure projects. Basically, I'm trying 2833 02:48:38.799 --> 02:48:41.760 to endorse community land trusts give some ownership back to 2834 02:48:41.799 --> 02:48:44.319 the community. A community land trust is like it's a 2835 02:48:44.360 --> 02:48:49.399 you know, a nonprofit corporation, uh, where the community basically 2836 02:48:49.440 --> 02:48:51.959 just owns a bunch of land and gets to decide 2837 02:48:52.120 --> 02:48:53.079 what they want to do with it. 2838 02:48:57.079 --> 02:49:00.440 I mean, I mean, if it were if I mean 2839 02:49:00.600 --> 02:49:03.799 it is essentially a socialist construct. 2840 02:49:04.680 --> 02:49:08.520 Do I consider myself a democratic socialist? Yes? Is that 2841 02:49:08.719 --> 02:49:13.120 is a CLT socialist? I don't know, because it's like ideal. 2842 02:49:13.479 --> 02:49:20.639 It's within a capitalists yeah right, it's within yeah. 2843 02:49:20.639 --> 02:49:22.719 Well, and I think as a democratic socialist, by the way, 2844 02:49:22.760 --> 02:49:24.959 I think that cap You know, you can have a 2845 02:49:24.959 --> 02:49:29.760 beautiful bubble of capitalism within the guardrails and the bubble 2846 02:49:29.879 --> 02:49:32.399 within the guardrails of democratic socialism, and then you compete 2847 02:49:32.399 --> 02:49:35.600 on things like, uh, quality of service. 2848 02:49:35.719 --> 02:49:38.360 Sorry, I'm thinking about example, like in Europe. 2849 02:49:38.479 --> 02:49:42.360 It's not perfect here, but like the state owns the rails, uh, 2850 02:49:42.399 --> 02:49:46.959 and then the operators, So there's a government operator, but 2851 02:49:47.000 --> 02:49:49.399 then there's some private operators that then have to compete 2852 02:49:50.840 --> 02:49:54.600 based on service, not based on something like the rails, 2853 02:49:54.639 --> 02:49:58.719 which any private operator. No one can build that because 2854 02:49:58.719 --> 02:50:02.879 it's too big. Like an example would be in the US, 2855 02:50:02.920 --> 02:50:06.959 like if the government owned the cell towers, which is 2856 02:50:07.000 --> 02:50:10.680 too big for any small company to possibly build. Only 2857 02:50:10.719 --> 02:50:13.000 AT and T and Verizon can build something like that, 2858 02:50:13.959 --> 02:50:16.159 and because they own the towers, and because only they're 2859 02:50:16.159 --> 02:50:18.319 big enough to do it, they can fuck you over. 2860 02:50:19.000 --> 02:50:21.200 But so if somebody, like if there was a public 2861 02:50:21.239 --> 02:50:24.280 agency that owned the towers, then you could rent it 2862 02:50:24.280 --> 02:50:26.399 out to private operators who would then have to compete 2863 02:50:26.399 --> 02:50:30.239 on Oh god, guess what service does that make sense? 2864 02:50:30.479 --> 02:50:32.079 So I think it does, but. 2865 02:50:32.120 --> 02:50:36.440 It's not true. Like at the end of the day, 2866 02:50:36.639 --> 02:50:42.000 it exists for now, but there all they need is 2867 02:50:42.399 --> 02:50:45.840 incentive to which is what these capitalists are trying to do, right, 2868 02:50:46.000 --> 02:50:49.000 is to remove the incentive of even having this type 2869 02:50:49.000 --> 02:50:53.159 of bubble and just making it all privatized in general. 2870 02:50:53.479 --> 02:50:56.719 I mean, I'm warm a parent in my sentiments that 2871 02:50:56.760 --> 02:51:03.639 wherever capitalism lives, there's always going to be the there's 2872 02:51:03.639 --> 02:51:06.399 always going to be the possibility and the incentive for 2873 02:51:06.479 --> 02:51:09.079 capitalism to grow, because that's all it does. I mean, 2874 02:51:09.079 --> 02:51:10.680 it doesn't know how to stay in the bubble. It's 2875 02:51:10.680 --> 02:51:14.120 counterintuitive to its existence. It's literally cancer. Like the mind 2876 02:51:14.120 --> 02:51:17.440 state of capitalism is how do we grow without limit? 2877 02:51:17.719 --> 02:51:22.239 So so for now, that's why I like the concept 2878 02:51:22.239 --> 02:51:26.000 of democratic socialism is I believe democratic socialisms y'all are 2879 02:51:26.040 --> 02:51:28.239 just folks who are just on the way to being socialists. 2880 02:51:28.280 --> 02:51:29.840 You're just not there yet, but you're on the way. 2881 02:51:30.280 --> 02:51:30.959 I'll see you soon. 2882 02:51:31.799 --> 02:51:34.360 Well wait, okay, well now I think they we're just 2883 02:51:34.639 --> 02:51:36.360 getting into semantics because. 2884 02:51:36.440 --> 02:51:39.920 Democratic socialists are still they still hold a piece of 2885 02:51:39.959 --> 02:51:42.440 capitalism in their eye, in their mind's eye. 2886 02:51:43.239 --> 02:51:45.200 Well, Okay, So I guess I was saying that competition 2887 02:51:45.280 --> 02:51:50.879 isn't inherently a bad thing in terms of providing services, and. 2888 02:51:50.920 --> 02:51:56.319 I would say that wherever competition exists. 2889 02:51:56.239 --> 02:51:58.959 Where in terms of the quality of services, know that 2890 02:51:58.959 --> 02:52:07.159 the provision needs to be guaranteed. But there's there's like. 2891 02:52:07.159 --> 02:52:12.239 Different versions of socialism that we've seen right where it's 2892 02:52:12.360 --> 02:52:18.959 like there's portions of Richard Wolf did a really good 2893 02:52:19.399 --> 02:52:24.360 podcast about this recently, where there's like portions of land 2894 02:52:24.399 --> 02:52:27.879 ownership and service ownership that like you're talking about, where 2895 02:52:27.879 --> 02:52:29.319 it's like the government owned some of it, but then 2896 02:52:29.319 --> 02:52:32.639 there's privatization, et cetera, et cetera. But then it ends 2897 02:52:32.719 --> 02:52:38.000 up at a certain point becoming who's gonna it? Always 2898 02:52:38.000 --> 02:52:41.520 capitalism always requires there to be Okay, you're not letting 2899 02:52:41.559 --> 02:52:43.760 us grow anymore. So that's what I'm saying. It's like, 2900 02:52:44.719 --> 02:52:46.399 that's all I'm saying that at a certain point, they're like, 2901 02:52:46.399 --> 02:52:49.120 we'll play along with this, but then if we get 2902 02:52:49.239 --> 02:52:51.360 if the bubble gets too small, we're gonna figure out 2903 02:52:51.360 --> 02:52:52.920 We're gonna try to figure out how to burst the bubble. 2904 02:52:53.120 --> 02:52:54.399 So then I'm like, well, then how do we make 2905 02:52:54.440 --> 02:52:55.920 it so that there is no bubble at all. 2906 02:52:56.639 --> 02:53:01.559 Ye, fair enough, and let's not We can keep talking 2907 02:53:01.559 --> 02:53:03.719 about that later. That's always a fun topic. But can 2908 02:53:03.799 --> 02:53:06.239 can we bring the press the question back? Just because 2909 02:53:06.319 --> 02:53:07.639 I did want to talk about the grid because it 2910 02:53:07.719 --> 02:53:08.479 is kind of interesting. 2911 02:53:09.959 --> 02:53:12.479 I lost the question, but the question was how does 2912 02:53:12.520 --> 02:53:17.120 the grid affect like the the flow of energies of 2913 02:53:17.200 --> 02:53:20.719 people in a city, Like I mean, it was kind 2914 02:53:20.719 --> 02:53:23.879 of like a fengshueish kind of concept, right like. 2915 02:53:24.360 --> 02:53:28.000 Yeah, yeah, but the grid, I from a city planning 2916 02:53:28.040 --> 02:53:34.959 perspective is American cities are really there, you go, are 2917 02:53:35.040 --> 02:53:37.479 really grid e you know, we we love a grid, 2918 02:53:37.920 --> 02:53:39.760 and I actually think that that's kind of cool. 2919 02:53:40.799 --> 02:53:41.520 The grid. 2920 02:53:42.000 --> 02:53:47.000 Yeah, it's very democratic, like small d democratic because unlike 2921 02:53:47.920 --> 02:53:52.000 the European cities where there's like the center of authority, 2922 02:53:52.040 --> 02:53:55.079 which is normally a church. Uh so there's the church 2923 02:53:55.120 --> 02:53:57.040 and then everything kind of emanates around from that and 2924 02:53:57.040 --> 02:53:58.000 it's kind of radial. 2925 02:53:59.239 --> 02:54:00.280 The American city is all. 2926 02:54:00.200 --> 02:54:02.680 About the grid, is all about the grid where there's 2927 02:54:02.680 --> 02:54:06.079 no necessarily there's no point that's necessarily prized, and there's 2928 02:54:06.079 --> 02:54:10.600 equal access to everything. So I like it grid, and 2929 02:54:10.639 --> 02:54:14.639 that's why that's one of the things that's like tragic 2930 02:54:14.799 --> 02:54:16.879 in the highways is that they just. 2931 02:54:16.879 --> 02:54:22.040 Disrupt the city grid. They absolutely a limit. 2932 02:54:22.079 --> 02:54:24.120 They get rid of that logic because the grid is 2933 02:54:24.120 --> 02:54:27.879 all about like on the ground connectivity, not vehicular connectivity. 2934 02:54:29.479 --> 02:54:32.079 So and the highways just up end that and they 2935 02:54:32.079 --> 02:54:34.040 destroy it and. 2936 02:54:35.520 --> 02:54:39.959 They inscribe an economic logic, which is, you know, prioritizing 2937 02:54:40.319 --> 02:54:44.200 suburban access to the core. So the grid, I wish 2938 02:54:44.239 --> 02:54:46.159 it would make it that. I wish it would make 2939 02:54:46.200 --> 02:54:49.879 it comeback in places where it's been disrupted. And you know, 2940 02:54:50.639 --> 02:54:55.079 gridlock is something that is a product of cars, not. 2941 02:54:55.879 --> 02:55:03.120 People agreed, because like Grenada, which is a very small island, 2942 02:55:03.680 --> 02:55:07.200 you see like more cars than there is like land. 2943 02:55:07.440 --> 02:55:09.079 It's all that it starts to feel like that. Well 2944 02:55:09.079 --> 02:55:11.959 then there are roads, right, So there's this gridlock for 2945 02:55:12.000 --> 02:55:14.600 the sake of gridlock. Because the other part of this 2946 02:55:14.680 --> 02:55:17.559 I can say this because I'm Caribbean, is that folks 2947 02:55:18.079 --> 02:55:20.120 typically want cars so that they can get up and go, 2948 02:55:20.200 --> 02:55:22.399 so they have control, so they can dominate, like when 2949 02:55:22.399 --> 02:55:26.760 they arrive somewhere. But what's sitting people? We're not on time, 2950 02:55:27.040 --> 02:55:30.360 So what is the point, y'all? What's the point of 2951 02:55:30.479 --> 02:55:32.520 everybody having the car if y're not going to get 2952 02:55:32.520 --> 02:55:35.760 there on time. Adam, thank you for not only being 2953 02:55:35.920 --> 02:55:37.600 Adam was early, y'all. Adam was here for like a 2954 02:55:37.639 --> 02:55:41.120 half hour before, so we've had two hours of Adam 2955 02:55:41.239 --> 02:55:42.879 Paul SU's The next time. 2956 02:55:42.879 --> 02:55:45.719 We done had a whole. 2957 02:55:46.959 --> 02:55:50.520 Spiritual session about morals and ethics. We then talked about 2958 02:55:50.520 --> 02:55:53.159 everywhere from Rotterdam to Detroit, which is a journey I 2959 02:55:53.200 --> 02:55:54.760 did not know we were going to go on. But 2960 02:55:54.840 --> 02:55:58.799 I can assure you that everyone here is leaving today 2961 02:55:59.000 --> 02:56:01.000 with so much more than they came with, thanks to 2962 02:56:01.040 --> 02:56:02.840 you sharing your knowledge and the work that you continue 2963 02:56:02.879 --> 02:56:03.040 to do. 2964 02:56:03.120 --> 02:56:05.120 So thank you, Adam, Thank you so much. 2965 02:56:05.399 --> 02:56:07.719 You know, if you want to carry on the conversation, 2966 02:56:07.719 --> 02:56:10.440 because there's some points that I I always do that 2967 02:56:10.600 --> 02:56:12.600 you know. 2968 02:56:11.719 --> 02:56:15.959 I was like I should have said, we'll definitely invite 2969 02:56:16.000 --> 02:56:18.920 you back. So make a list, make a list of 2970 02:56:19.000 --> 02:56:20.959 the points that you feel like you need to add. 2971 02:56:21.639 --> 02:56:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, next time, I'll be a little more. 2972 02:56:24.440 --> 02:56:26.600 I'll send them in order. But if folks, can I 2973 02:56:26.600 --> 02:56:27.639 do my can I do my plug? 2974 02:56:28.200 --> 02:56:28.639 Please? 2975 02:56:29.520 --> 02:56:30.200 Just so? 2976 02:56:30.399 --> 02:56:33.239 Segregation by design dot com it's broken down by cities, 2977 02:56:33.280 --> 02:56:35.879 and then unfortunately, Instagram is the place I'm the most 2978 02:56:35.879 --> 02:56:39.760 active so at segregation Underscore by Underscore Design. 2979 02:56:41.040 --> 02:56:52.440 Check it out segregation segregation under greg gaish. 2980 02:56:56.760 --> 02:56:57.440 It's kind of funny. 2981 02:56:57.479 --> 02:56:59.440 One of the terms for like the type of highway 2982 02:56:59.479 --> 02:57:03.360 that the interstate is like limited access is a segregated highways. 2983 02:57:04.760 --> 02:57:06.360 I mean they put it in the name. 2984 02:57:07.120 --> 02:57:09.959 No, I know exactly when you think there's so many 2985 02:57:10.000 --> 02:57:13.920 spatial terms that are like explicitly racialized, like inner city, 2986 02:57:14.000 --> 02:57:15.879 other side of the tracks, I won't keep going. 2987 02:57:16.399 --> 02:57:19.479 It's facts. And so once you start, when you started 2988 02:57:19.920 --> 02:57:22.239 learning language of the United States, you're like, oh, all 2989 02:57:22.280 --> 02:57:23.319 of this is racist. 2990 02:57:23.559 --> 02:57:24.079 Oh my gosh. 2991 02:57:24.159 --> 02:57:24.879 And I learned that. 2992 02:57:24.879 --> 02:57:27.000 The ice cream Truck song is racist. I was like, 2993 02:57:27.120 --> 02:57:28.360 I give a I'm out. 2994 02:57:29.879 --> 02:57:30.920 And really racist. 2995 02:57:30.959 --> 02:57:34.479 It's like that one super duper yeah. 2996 02:57:34.559 --> 02:57:35.159 Yeah. 2997 02:57:35.280 --> 02:57:38.120 Well, enjoy your evening in Rotterdam, and thank you again 2998 02:57:38.159 --> 02:57:38.799 for joining us. 2999 02:57:39.239 --> 02:57:40.280 Thank you, there's so much fun. 3000 02:57:40.840 --> 02:57:46.920 Wow, you guys, we learned so much. We learned so 3001 02:57:47.079 --> 02:57:51.600 much we don't even have time for a critical thinking exercise. 3002 02:57:51.600 --> 02:57:53.159 But we are going to get into some black news 3003 02:57:53.200 --> 02:57:55.840 before we get out of here, because I really have 3004 02:57:55.920 --> 02:58:14.600 some stories that I want to talk to you about. 3005 02:58:16.280 --> 02:58:19.959 So I don't know if you guys have been seeing 3006 02:58:20.280 --> 02:58:28.360 these stories of the black women maternal mortality in your face. 3007 02:58:28.440 --> 02:58:31.120 Like I think many of us know about these stories, 3008 02:58:31.280 --> 02:58:36.920 but now you're getting to see like real video of 3009 02:58:37.040 --> 02:58:43.360 black women just being completely ignored in the most vulnerable 3010 02:58:43.440 --> 02:58:48.399 of times when they are in labor. And I feel 3011 02:58:49.000 --> 02:58:54.879 really disturbed that folks feel so comfortable to behave this 3012 02:58:55.000 --> 02:59:10.559 way Right now. This woman is a nurse, and while 3013 02:59:10.600 --> 02:59:16.399 this woman is literally writhing in pain, she's like casually 3014 02:59:16.520 --> 02:59:21.120 triaging her and acting as if this woman is not 3015 02:59:21.920 --> 02:59:22.520 in labor. 3016 02:59:22.680 --> 02:59:26.840 Here's another Baty's Wells, who tells us she felt she 3017 02:59:27.000 --> 02:59:30.520 was stripped of her dignity and treated like an animals. 3018 02:59:30.559 --> 02:59:34.120 She says, after spending six hours at Franciscan Health Crown 3019 02:59:34.120 --> 02:59:37.520 Point Hospital, even when her contractions were a minute apart, 3020 02:59:37.799 --> 02:59:41.200 she was still escorted out by security. Now, the mom 3021 02:59:41.239 --> 02:59:44.600 of four says the nurse who saw her believed that 3022 02:59:44.680 --> 02:59:46.799 she was not in labor, and in the six hours 3023 02:59:46.799 --> 02:59:49.520 of being in labor, she says she never saw an 3024 02:59:49.559 --> 02:59:50.479 actual doctor. 3025 02:59:50.760 --> 02:59:50.920 Well. 3026 02:59:50.959 --> 02:59:53.479 She says the nurse told her to go home. Her husband, 3027 02:59:53.600 --> 02:59:55.719 Leon Wells, who was with her at the time, asked 3028 02:59:55.719 --> 02:59:58.000 for a wheelchair, and they were both escorted out. 3029 02:59:58.520 --> 02:59:59.760 Just eight minutes later. 3030 03:00:00.040 --> 03:00:01.200 Mister Wells says. 3031 03:00:01.000 --> 03:00:04.079 He saw his daughters had come out while he was driving, 3032 03:00:04.159 --> 03:00:07.239 pulled over the car and delivered the baby himself. And 3033 03:00:07.280 --> 03:00:09.520 I will add that mister Wells says he does not 3034 03:00:09.600 --> 03:00:12.479 have any kind of medical experience, and they both say 3035 03:00:12.479 --> 03:00:15.040 they believe they were mistreated because of the race, and 3036 03:00:15.120 --> 03:00:17.760 the lives of mom and baby were put at risk. 3037 03:00:18.360 --> 03:00:20.719 I was in excruciating pain. She's seen me in pain 3038 03:00:20.760 --> 03:00:24.959 and agony, and I guess she still perceived me to 3039 03:00:25.159 --> 03:00:28.799 not be in labor because upon returning to the room, 3040 03:00:28.920 --> 03:00:34.799 she's like, well, if you're not further along in your centimeters, 3041 03:00:35.000 --> 03:00:40.280 then you know, we gotta sing you home. So I said, 3042 03:00:40.319 --> 03:00:42.600 I know I can't go home. I can't have this 3043 03:00:42.680 --> 03:00:43.360 baby at home. 3044 03:00:43.680 --> 03:00:48.200 Holy God's grace. I was scared. I ain't know what 3045 03:00:48.239 --> 03:00:48.479 to do. 3046 03:00:48.840 --> 03:00:52.440 I don't have any medical license anything to deliver a baby. 3047 03:00:52.760 --> 03:00:54.319 I was just scared and know what to do. 3048 03:00:57.639 --> 03:00:57.799 Now. 3049 03:00:57.799 --> 03:01:01.120 Franciscan Health Crown Point responding morning in part with a 3050 03:01:01.159 --> 03:01:03.879 statement saying, the video and the comments that has generated 3051 03:01:03.879 --> 03:01:07.239 are deeply troubling and we understand the concern this has raised. 3052 03:01:07.239 --> 03:01:09.479 The video is just one part of the information we 3053 03:01:09.520 --> 03:01:12.639 are reviewing as part of a thorough investigation into this 3054 03:01:12.760 --> 03:01:16.360 alleged incident. Now we're told that baby Elena, who was 3055 03:01:16.520 --> 03:01:18.319 just born, is doing well. 3056 03:01:18.239 --> 03:01:18.879 Very healthy. 3057 03:01:19.079 --> 03:01:21.920 But I did ask the family what does accountability look 3058 03:01:22.000 --> 03:01:24.280 like in this case, and they said they want a 3059 03:01:24.319 --> 03:01:27.760 meeting with hospital administrators. They want the nurse who saw 3060 03:01:27.840 --> 03:01:31.120 wells fired, and they want protocol put in place so 3061 03:01:31.159 --> 03:01:34.360 that anyone who comes there and is in labor does 3062 03:01:34.440 --> 03:01:37.319 see an actual doctor. They tell me they have not 3063 03:01:37.559 --> 03:01:39.760 heard from hospital administrators yet. 3064 03:01:40.040 --> 03:01:43.719 Back to you, guys, So this is violence, Like, this 3065 03:01:43.760 --> 03:01:47.040 is not just oh, I'm neglectful in my job. This 3066 03:01:47.200 --> 03:01:52.200 is actual violence and negligence. And this should not just 3067 03:01:52.280 --> 03:01:56.799 be losing someone's job. This should be losing your license. 3068 03:01:56.879 --> 03:01:59.879 The literal point of being a nurse is that you 3069 03:02:00.200 --> 03:02:04.000 are providing care. The literal point of a hospital is 3070 03:02:04.000 --> 03:02:07.559 that you're providing care, especially if these women are showing 3071 03:02:07.639 --> 03:02:11.079 up here with the paperwork and all the things, you know, 3072 03:02:11.280 --> 03:02:15.719 filled out, because to my understanding, she the last video 3073 03:02:16.000 --> 03:02:21.239 had actually pre filled out the in charge papers and 3074 03:02:21.399 --> 03:02:25.639 still was put through this triage process for the concept 3075 03:02:25.799 --> 03:02:29.680 of So sorry, that's not what I meant to say, 3076 03:02:30.239 --> 03:02:32.760 when it comes to doulas and midwif free. We also 3077 03:02:32.799 --> 03:02:35.040 need to understand though, that that's also not all created 3078 03:02:35.079 --> 03:02:38.799 equal either, Okay, because I've had many people talk about 3079 03:02:38.799 --> 03:02:41.920 midwives who have come through and wasted their time as well. 3080 03:02:42.399 --> 03:02:44.479 There has to be and this is why I was 3081 03:02:44.520 --> 03:02:48.799 pushing Adam on this, there has to be moral and 3082 03:02:48.959 --> 03:02:56.239 ethical underpinnings to how you are existing in your practice. 3083 03:02:56.479 --> 03:02:58.879 Let me say that again, there has to be moral 3084 03:02:59.000 --> 03:03:02.680 and ethical unders to how you are existing in your practice. 3085 03:03:03.040 --> 03:03:07.040 Anything other than that ends up simply just being an 3086 03:03:07.120 --> 03:03:10.600 effort at survival or an ef at capitalizing, and both 3087 03:03:10.639 --> 03:03:17.559 of those two things are incredibly vulnerable. They're incredibly vulnerable 3088 03:03:18.399 --> 03:03:23.399 to being influenced by bad actors. So you can't just 3089 03:03:23.520 --> 03:03:27.159 get somebody because they are outside of the system. You 3090 03:03:27.200 --> 03:03:29.440 need to understand why they're outside of the system. You 3091 03:03:29.479 --> 03:03:32.239 need to understand what they think about you. As an actual, 3092 03:03:32.319 --> 03:03:38.079 functioning human with a visceral biological system, we have to 3093 03:03:38.239 --> 03:03:42.840 exist in this mind state in every facet of our lives, 3094 03:03:42.959 --> 03:03:45.159 which is very tiresome for some people because we're not 3095 03:03:45.280 --> 03:03:48.600 challenged to exist like this. But I want to do that. 3096 03:03:49.559 --> 03:03:52.200 I want to encourage you to do that, all of you, 3097 03:03:52.239 --> 03:03:55.879 Amanda Landers, anyone who's watching this, our replay crew, who's listening, 3098 03:03:55.959 --> 03:03:58.520 our podcast crew. And when you are looking at people 3099 03:03:58.520 --> 03:04:01.079 who are going to help you bring life into this world, 3100 03:04:01.520 --> 03:04:05.360 doulas and midwives, your physicians, et cetera, it's you can't 3101 03:04:05.399 --> 03:04:08.959 simply ask them about protocols. And that's a very US, 3102 03:04:09.000 --> 03:04:11.840 a very American, a very Western way of addressing things. 3103 03:04:12.040 --> 03:04:15.479 We think that if I've asked you about what time 3104 03:04:15.559 --> 03:04:17.760 things are going to happen, and about the organized way 3105 03:04:17.799 --> 03:04:20.040 things are going to happen, the logistics, we think that 3106 03:04:20.120 --> 03:04:23.040 if we've done that, then we've done everything we needed 3107 03:04:23.079 --> 03:04:25.600 to do. When it comes to matters of your body, 3108 03:04:25.959 --> 03:04:29.559 matters of your home, matters of your children or your elderly, 3109 03:04:29.680 --> 03:04:34.000 et cetera, there has to be other con There has 3110 03:04:34.040 --> 03:04:40.840 to be a whole other level of questions that are asked. 3111 03:04:43.079 --> 03:04:45.920 And yes, Spicy Pickle, they're experiencing this in rural communities 3112 03:04:45.959 --> 03:04:49.319 because they've taken the hospitals out of rural communities. They've 3113 03:04:49.319 --> 03:04:51.520 taken all the hospitals and healthcare out of rural communities. 3114 03:04:51.559 --> 03:04:53.440 So now you have folks that are being you know, 3115 03:04:53.719 --> 03:04:56.360 midwives and dulahs in rural communities, but they also need 3116 03:04:56.399 --> 03:04:59.200 to be trained like in the actual work, but they 3117 03:04:59.200 --> 03:05:02.159 also need to be trained in the spirit. You're bringing 3118 03:05:02.159 --> 03:05:06.680 a life into the world. You're bringing a life into 3119 03:05:06.680 --> 03:05:09.120 the world, and we have to talk to people about 3120 03:05:09.159 --> 03:05:12.200 how they view the world to really understand where they're 3121 03:05:12.200 --> 03:05:14.840 coming at, where they're coming at us from Listen to 3122 03:05:14.920 --> 03:05:18.159 this great video from Bandana Shiva, who's a physicist, author 3123 03:05:18.200 --> 03:05:22.280 and eco feminist, and she lays it out plain and simple. 3124 03:05:23.680 --> 03:05:28.040 Scene age where humanity has been such a destructive force 3125 03:05:28.079 --> 03:05:31.200 on the planet. Its climate is decided by our actions, 3126 03:05:31.239 --> 03:05:34.360 and the species is decided by action. The state of 3127 03:05:34.440 --> 03:05:37.639 water is decided by our action, the fertility of sorts 3128 03:05:37.719 --> 03:05:41.879 is decided by action. We can carry on there and 3129 03:05:41.920 --> 03:05:44.680 then we don't exist, or we can change it to 3130 03:05:44.760 --> 03:05:50.280 the creative anthroposcene energized by a feminine energy, the energy 3131 03:05:50.479 --> 03:05:56.840 of non western spiritual civilizations, the energy of indigenous people, 3132 03:05:56.840 --> 03:06:00.920 the energy of the earth herself and her diversity. To 3133 03:06:01.000 --> 03:06:07.600 basically recognize that we are one interval then life and 3134 03:06:07.680 --> 03:06:10.879 we can continue to have a future if we just 3135 03:06:10.959 --> 03:06:16.120 recognize that one simple fact that we are not owners, conquerors, dominators, 3136 03:06:16.159 --> 03:06:18.239 of the earth, but part of the earth. 3137 03:06:20.360 --> 03:06:23.719 We are not owners, conquerors, or dominators of the earth. 3138 03:06:23.760 --> 03:06:30.000 We are part of the earth. When you start thinking 3139 03:06:30.079 --> 03:06:33.079 like that, you change how you exist. And it is 3140 03:06:33.159 --> 03:06:35.639 hard work to do because we are not, particularly in 3141 03:06:35.680 --> 03:06:40.600 the United States, we are not grown up in that 3142 03:06:40.680 --> 03:06:44.479 mind state within our surroundings. You know, some maybe in 3143 03:06:44.520 --> 03:06:48.200 their immediate surroundings, but the actual infrastructure that we exist 3144 03:06:48.200 --> 03:06:50.399 in as it is, it isn't. 3145 03:06:52.239 --> 03:06:52.360 So. 3146 03:06:52.479 --> 03:06:54.319 To those women and to all of you all who 3147 03:06:54.440 --> 03:07:00.079 have experienced birth trauma, I really hate that for you, 3148 03:07:00.959 --> 03:07:04.159 and I know that it stays with you, and I 3149 03:07:04.200 --> 03:07:07.840 hope that you had partners who were there or people 3150 03:07:07.879 --> 03:07:10.520 who were there to support you through that and to 3151 03:07:10.559 --> 03:07:12.879 the other side of it as well. And to all 3152 03:07:12.920 --> 03:07:15.440 of our midwives and doulahs who are out here doing 3153 03:07:15.479 --> 03:07:18.399 this work, I hope that you too are also bringing 3154 03:07:18.399 --> 03:07:23.840 in the spirituality element, the morality element, the ethical element. 3155 03:07:24.319 --> 03:07:26.680 And listen, you can be atheist, but you have to 3156 03:07:26.680 --> 03:07:29.559 have a morality about what your work is and that 3157 03:07:29.639 --> 03:07:33.319 it is in service to not just the person, not 3158 03:07:33.399 --> 03:07:39.479 just the baby, but to literally the earth. We gotta 3159 03:07:40.360 --> 03:07:44.360 think big, big thinking, all right. Speaking of big thinking, 3160 03:07:44.399 --> 03:07:47.920 we gotta give shout out to our friend of the show, 3161 03:07:49.120 --> 03:08:02.760 our high quality wife himself, he love. 3162 03:08:05.200 --> 03:08:07.920 I would like to provide a toast to Van Jones, 3163 03:08:08.319 --> 03:08:11.440 a man who started out as a racial justice advocate and. 3164 03:08:11.479 --> 03:08:16.040 Is now Davidson boss Well using that prince charming face 3165 03:08:16.120 --> 03:08:18.799 to get all up in them people place. 3166 03:08:19.079 --> 03:08:23.360 A stooge for corporate media, that a shell for the 3167 03:08:23.440 --> 03:08:28.559 Israeli governments making fun of dead guys and babies. If 3168 03:08:28.600 --> 03:08:30.520 you are a young person, you open up your phone 3169 03:08:30.520 --> 03:08:32.680 and all you see is dead guys of baby, dead 3170 03:08:32.680 --> 03:08:34.239 gods of baby. Dead guy's baby. 3171 03:08:34.319 --> 03:08:37.079 Diddy, dead gods of baby. 3172 03:08:37.959 --> 03:08:49.680 Absolutely to platform a genocide Penoma, these shills. 3173 03:08:50.040 --> 03:08:52.799 See yeah, see yeah. I just want to make sure 3174 03:08:52.799 --> 03:08:55.079 to remind you all that for every I'll save it 3175 03:08:55.120 --> 03:08:59.680 from my PSA. But shout out to Davidson, a real one. Okay, 3176 03:08:59.760 --> 03:09:08.840 let's get into this PSA, y'all, am p S. 3177 03:09:08.959 --> 03:09:15.680 And So. 3178 03:09:15.760 --> 03:09:18.159 One of the main things that we discussed today was 3179 03:09:19.360 --> 03:09:23.440 the presence of indigenoity as a source for not only 3180 03:09:23.559 --> 03:09:26.799 knowledge for not only upliftment of the earth and challenging 3181 03:09:26.879 --> 03:09:29.920 of climate change, but also as a source of resistance 3182 03:09:30.600 --> 03:09:34.079 and when we are seeing the indigenous people of Brasil, 3183 03:09:34.200 --> 03:09:43.879 the indigenous people of Ecuador, of Peru, of Nepal, Burkina, Fasso, Niger, 3184 03:09:44.479 --> 03:09:49.399 Molly rising up and saying we have had enough. This 3185 03:09:49.559 --> 03:09:52.639 is not just waiting for land back. This is taking 3186 03:09:52.719 --> 03:09:55.559 land back. And it's not It may not be in 3187 03:09:55.799 --> 03:10:00.120 the immediate overwhelming fashion that people want because that as 3188 03:10:00.159 --> 03:10:04.079 the goal. However, it is an actual move towards and 3189 03:10:04.159 --> 03:10:06.520 it is a no if that's not even fair. It 3190 03:10:06.600 --> 03:10:10.959 is movement. It is not just movement towards. It is 3191 03:10:11.040 --> 03:10:16.319 movement on business, and it is people who are connected 3192 03:10:16.399 --> 03:10:21.559 to their indigenuity as it exists, beyond something to capitalize on. 3193 03:10:21.959 --> 03:10:24.000 It is something that is within them. It is something 3194 03:10:24.040 --> 03:10:26.479 that drives them. It is something that has spirit attached 3195 03:10:26.520 --> 03:10:29.479 to it. Right, it has something greater than just their 3196 03:10:29.479 --> 03:10:33.479 physical form attached to it. And that, right there is 3197 03:10:33.479 --> 03:10:36.040 something that black people in the United States have been 3198 03:10:36.120 --> 03:10:39.440 lacking because it was stolen from us. And I say 3199 03:10:39.479 --> 03:10:41.760 in my book what would the ancestors say? And I 3200 03:10:41.840 --> 03:10:44.079 say on my book tour, and I continue to say 3201 03:10:44.079 --> 03:10:48.840 this here. If we are not paying attention to the 3202 03:10:48.879 --> 03:10:52.719 efforts of indigenous communities to get their land back, then 3203 03:10:52.760 --> 03:10:58.399 we are completely disregarding a huge aspect as black people 3204 03:10:58.639 --> 03:11:01.159 and just as folks who want there to be land 3205 03:11:01.159 --> 03:11:03.639 back in the United States and in western spaces. We 3206 03:11:03.719 --> 03:11:07.399 are completely disregarding not only sources of knowledge, but sources 3207 03:11:07.399 --> 03:11:11.399 of strength. When I see black mainstream media and I 3208 03:11:11.440 --> 03:11:14.040 see black folks who are not talking about this, I say, 3209 03:11:14.120 --> 03:11:17.799 those are people who are one disconnected not only from 3210 03:11:17.840 --> 03:11:20.719 other factions of information, but they are also disconnected from 3211 03:11:20.760 --> 03:11:24.840 the value of indigenous knowledge. For Black people in the 3212 03:11:24.959 --> 03:11:27.799 United States who had to form our own version of indigenousity, 3213 03:11:28.200 --> 03:11:30.719 we will not win, we will not succeed, we will 3214 03:11:30.760 --> 03:11:32.799 not come together, We will not do anything that we 3215 03:11:32.840 --> 03:11:36.079 claim we want to do until we identify ourselves as 3216 03:11:36.120 --> 03:11:38.479 truly indigenous, not just the way that people be like 3217 03:11:38.760 --> 03:11:41.680 we wasn't slaves, we was indigenous. No, that's not what 3218 03:11:41.719 --> 03:11:46.680 I'm talking about. I mean as in a collective that 3219 03:11:46.879 --> 03:11:52.239 understands the world in a shared way, that understands our 3220 03:11:52.920 --> 03:11:55.399 existence in the world, in a shared way that is 3221 03:11:55.440 --> 03:12:01.159 connected beyond our attachment to material things, beyond our goals 3222 03:12:01.159 --> 03:12:06.559 of exceeding or succeeding in this capitalist mainframe. No, until 3223 03:12:06.559 --> 03:12:11.399 we identify that, until we bring in our African indigenity 3224 03:12:11.479 --> 03:12:14.120 and combine it with all of the uniqueness that we 3225 03:12:14.200 --> 03:12:17.840 have created here, we will never get anywhere. So when 3226 03:12:17.879 --> 03:12:21.079 you are watching black folks out here who say they're 3227 03:12:21.120 --> 03:12:24.600 for black folks, make sure that they are also speaking 3228 03:12:24.920 --> 03:12:28.079 about indigenous folks all over this world as a source 3229 03:12:28.079 --> 03:12:30.280 of knowledge, as a source of wisdom, and also as 3230 03:12:30.319 --> 03:12:34.239 a source of strength, because we are all being actively 3231 03:12:34.280 --> 03:12:39.799 disconnected from that source for a reason to keep us 3232 03:12:39.920 --> 03:12:50.200 able to be squelched, suppressed and repressed. So stay alert, 3233 03:12:50.600 --> 03:13:10.040 stay coalitioned, and keep expanding. All right, y'all, hey, come now, 3234 03:13:11.879 --> 03:13:23.120 Thank you everybody les joining the show today. Shout out 3235 03:13:23.200 --> 03:13:30.159 to our guest. We go out, Yea and Adam want 3236 03:13:30.360 --> 03:13:34.559 today I had a lot going on to tell us. 3237 03:13:34.639 --> 03:13:37.120 God love. 3238 03:13:38.719 --> 03:13:39.200 The work. 3239 03:13:40.639 --> 03:13:46.360 That nobody every day. Shout out to our field squad. 3240 03:13:46.879 --> 03:13:50.120 You know it's going to be joining us after the show. 3241 03:13:50.680 --> 03:13:54.120 Can get it in on our after the show. Yet 3242 03:13:55.000 --> 03:13:57.000 now be asked at the beginning of the shows, We're 3243 03:13:57.000 --> 03:14:00.799 gonna ask you again, what are you you're gonna do this? 3244 03:14:01.280 --> 03:14:05.680 Thank you on that day. Thank you. That's our bonus question. 3245 03:14:07.239 --> 03:14:11.600 Thank you, that's our bonus question of the week. So 3246 03:14:11.879 --> 03:14:13.840 thank you all for coming back. I know that I 3247 03:14:13.920 --> 03:14:16.000 was missing for the past two weeks, and you're probably like, 3248 03:14:16.120 --> 03:14:18.799 is she gonna come back? Is she gonna come back? 3249 03:14:19.120 --> 03:14:22.280 But I was missing because I'm doing the work, y'all. 3250 03:14:22.479 --> 03:14:27.319 I'm out here and I'm just trying to figure it out. Okay, 3251 03:14:27.959 --> 03:14:30.440 I'm genuinely just trying to figure it out. If you 3252 03:14:30.479 --> 03:14:33.479 haven't gotten your copy of what would the ancestors say? 3253 03:14:33.760 --> 03:14:38.600 They are available at Amanda Seals Zacham, so hopefully you 3254 03:14:38.639 --> 03:14:43.600 will go out there and get that and what else 3255 03:14:43.600 --> 03:14:45.159 am I trying to say to y'all before I go? 3256 03:14:45.760 --> 03:14:49.040 And I want to remind you that you I want 3257 03:14:49.079 --> 03:14:51.200 miss who. I want to remind you that I will 3258 03:14:51.200 --> 03:14:55.159 be in DC at bus Boys and Poets on December second. 3259 03:14:55.319 --> 03:14:57.719 I will be in Baltimore on December third. I can't 3260 03:14:57.719 --> 03:14:58.959 remember the name of the venue off the top of 3261 03:14:58.959 --> 03:15:02.200 my head. I will be at Involving Books in New 3262 03:15:02.280 --> 03:15:07.120 Orleans on December eleventh. And I will be in New 3263 03:15:07.200 --> 03:15:10.200 York in Nyack, New York, and I will tell you 3264 03:15:10.239 --> 03:15:15.040 the venue when it's comfortised on December fourteenth. All right, 3265 03:15:15.200 --> 03:15:19.040 so make sure that you write your dates down for 3266 03:15:19.120 --> 03:15:22.719 when I'm going to be round your way. And hopefully 3267 03:15:22.879 --> 03:15:24.799 we'll be able to come see each other and hang 3268 03:15:24.840 --> 03:15:27.000 out and have a little key shout out to Joonna 3269 03:15:27.040 --> 03:15:30.280 Castro who came to two book readings, okay, in two 3270 03:15:30.319 --> 03:15:32.760 different places. He came to the show in LA and 3271 03:15:33.040 --> 03:15:35.559 I saw him in Chicago. So I'm just saying you guys, 3272 03:15:35.600 --> 03:15:39.440 there's folks who are really out here. I'm joking. I'm 3273 03:15:39.440 --> 03:15:41.559 not trying to pressure you all, but do really come 3274 03:15:41.600 --> 03:15:43.840 to my joints. 3275 03:15:45.399 --> 03:15:49.200 They want to stand in the way of every move forward. 3276 03:15:49.319 --> 03:15:51.120 The only way you can think about your people struggle 3277 03:15:51.159 --> 03:15:53.079 is when you are involved in people struggle. 3278 03:15:53.120 --> 03:15:55.760 So we're going to have to change how we relate 3279 03:15:55.840 --> 03:15:57.479 to each other as human beings. 3280 03:15:58.399 --> 03:16:12.879 Out there unity. 3281 03:16:13.719 --> 03:17:10.319 A name, a man, A man, man a man. No 3282 03:17:12.639 --> 03:17:13.360 not finding en