Speaker 1: A man, build and independent.
Speaker 2: And so I'm here in San Diego for the first
Speaker 2: stop on the what would the ancestors say, mission driven
Speaker 2: book tour, and I'm being treated really lovely and it
Speaker 2: feels beautiful, and folks are shown up. We have now
Speaker 2: become the tools of capitalism in a mental form. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been set like
Speaker 2: this is not like, oh my gosh, she cracked a
Speaker 2: cold al it ain't. However, the code continues to require cracking.
Speaker 2: They keep coming up with new codes. And because so
Speaker 2: many of us do not see that, we don't prevent it. Baby,
Speaker 2: we knew we were free. That was the talk of
Speaker 2: the town, she man, when we heard about that Lincoln
Speaker 2: about to bring that mess a fate prople of me.
Speaker 2: It's the fact that.
Speaker 3: Someone over here when stupid, because you're correct, they say
Speaker 3: books won't change the world.
Speaker 2: Tell that to every colonizer that burns them. Look at this,
Speaker 2: They have a free.
Speaker 4: Bookshelf right here at Burst into Books.
Speaker 2: You having a space like this in this neighborhood with
Speaker 2: a bookshelf for free book from most outside handing out
Speaker 2: an so the people and not y'all having a actual table.
Speaker 2: Many black folks who served in the Civil War have
Speaker 2: said it the first time that they felt like they
Speaker 2: were seen by white holtes because they had no name.
Speaker 2: They were seen as a friend, but they were also
Speaker 2: seen as capable.
Speaker 5: Do it.
Speaker 2: Come on over come, say hi, get you a book
Speaker 2: and get it signed. While I'm not here in the shy,
Speaker 2: we had our gods, we had our land, and.
Speaker 6: We were strict from that, and we were forced to
Speaker 6: establish something brand new here in spite of the constant
Speaker 6: threat of that degradation and terrorism, and somehow we managed
Speaker 6: to form Blackness. Now, they may have given us the name,
Speaker 6: but we gave blackness the soup.
Speaker 2: But tell us how we can really utilize what.
Speaker 7: You put in the book as a resource and tool
Speaker 7: in reference.
Speaker 2: M money.
Speaker 8: Inside.
Speaker 2: But we don't have to stay here.
Speaker 8: We know somebody else.
Speaker 2: We are of imagination.
Speaker 9: Did you use somewhere?
Speaker 2: I just anything that.
Speaker 5: We can be.
Speaker 9: Good for those of us who want to desire courage
Speaker 9: to others.
Speaker 2: What advice do you have do you demonstrate courage? We
Speaker 2: know that folks are not on it, so you're.
Speaker 4: Like, come, let's do courage, guys, and they're like.
Speaker 9: Like, you know, if.
Speaker 7: Folks are like, I'm missy.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a hair appointment.
Speaker 9: I can't do courage today.
Speaker 2: I don't even know the next time she's gonna be free,
Speaker 2: Like I just I can't.
Speaker 9: Who's gonna be there that courage?
Speaker 2: Hello? I mean, I know I've been I've been gone,
Speaker 2: but I'm here. I've been gone, but I'm here, and
Speaker 2: we're here and it is still viewed from Mandolin, and
Speaker 2: we are still that girl. Okay, we have a light
Speaker 2: room because folks is like, is she even gonna be back?
Speaker 2: I don't know if she's even gonna show up. I
Speaker 2: know that's why we only have one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: four people here. But that's fine. That's fine because we
Speaker 2: still got what we need. Shout out to everybody who's
Speaker 2: gotten their copy of what would the ancestors say? Very excited?
Speaker 2: Do these not have inserts? Very excited to finally get
Speaker 2: to finally start seeing the books come out? Rolando. I
Speaker 2: will have you know that I have been researching how
Speaker 2: to make a calendar, and that was a piece of
Speaker 2: egg how to make a calendar, and it's actually something
Speaker 2: that I can do it feasibly within Wait, why was
Speaker 2: I in the shade room? Why was I in the
Speaker 2: shade room yesterday? Hold on, Fatimo, why was I in
Speaker 2: the shad room? Let me go on this damn internet.
Speaker 10: I'll be minded my business. Oh no, Christiana, were not.
Speaker 2: We're not doing making them at Kinkos though, because the
Speaker 2: whole thing about it is that we can't just do
Speaker 2: it at Kinkos because then I gotta still ship it out. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm on the shade room because of what I said
Speaker 2: about Niki, And I stand by what I said about Niki,
Speaker 2: because what is you know, I see things and it's
Speaker 2: very obvious, and I don't know. I'm trying to download
Speaker 2: it for y'all so I can show y'all so you
Speaker 2: can see it too. When I see things and they're
Speaker 2: very obvious, I think it's reality that it's obvious for
Speaker 2: me only because of what I know, not because of
Speaker 2: what they're being what we're being taught, and this is
Speaker 2: a fact. So because of that, it has to get said.
Speaker 2: I understand that we are the subject of psyops and
Speaker 2: I understand that we are absolutely being lied to on
Speaker 2: a regular basis. So with that understanding, I have to
Speaker 2: say the truth when I see it, because I know
Speaker 2: that the truth is being lied that we are being
Speaker 2: lied to on a regular basis. So that's just what
Speaker 2: it is, and so people can feel a way about
Speaker 2: that if they want to. But I'm sure you blocked
Speaker 2: the shade room, Rachel, because you are a smart person.
Speaker 2: But if you want to see the video, I will
Speaker 2: show it to you right now. Fatima knows herself and said,
Speaker 2: I am online chronically. So here's the video that is
Speaker 2: being discussed right now that I made about Nicki minaj
Speaker 2: Nicki Minaje working with Trump admin on plight of Christian
Speaker 2: in Nigeria.
Speaker 4: Either she's getting a check, or she was maggot the
Speaker 4: whole time, or she.
Speaker 2: Genuinely thinks that she's doing something good, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: is why y'all need to have people around you that
Speaker 2: know more than you. And by y'all, I don't just
Speaker 2: mean celebrities. Everybody. Everybody should have people around them that
Speaker 2: they can consult with, that think differently than you, that
Speaker 2: hold you in a place of values. Just so you
Speaker 2: understand what's happening here with the plight of Christians in Nigeria.
Speaker 2: There is a plight of Christians in Nigeria. However, the
Speaker 2: US that what does that have to do with the
Speaker 2: United States. The United States is using this as a
Speaker 2: ploy as a proxy to find their way into Nigeria
Speaker 2: so that they can then and find their way into
Speaker 2: the sill states of Burkina Fasso, Moli and Niger, who,
Speaker 2: as you know, are coming together to begin a process
Speaker 2: of pan Africanism on the continent. They are taking back
Speaker 2: their resources from friends. They are saying, we are going
Speaker 2: to build our own infrastructures. This undermines the global empires
Speaker 2: go and so they have to try and shut it down.
Speaker 2: Now we saw earlier this year with Afrikaan and that Cone,
Speaker 2: that general who tried to say, oh you know, they
Speaker 2: got some problems going down in Burkina Fasso. They're continuing
Speaker 2: to try to make this happen the same way that
Speaker 2: they're making Vetch happen in Venezuela. Right now, what when
Speaker 2: do we stop allowing ourselves to be used? Come listen
Speaker 2: to your people.
Speaker 11: Waited to be scared up?
Speaker 2: And then I just promote the book. So yeah, and
Speaker 2: I love that. Kimberly and those of you all who
Speaker 2: noticed that I made a mean girl's reference making fetch happen.
Speaker 2: By the way, I look really pretty. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to point that out. I feel like I'm I'm making
Speaker 2: fetch happen right now just say and I'm back. But
Speaker 2: shout out to everybody who came out to the first
Speaker 2: leg of the What the Ancestors Say Mission Driven book tour.
Speaker 2: It was really beautiful and it really showed me a
Speaker 2: lot about the path that I'm on. And I watched
Speaker 2: a video this morning about the UAE, and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to What I'm trying to do is use
Speaker 2: pattern recognition to see the holes that we are missing
Speaker 2: as humans. You know, I think that we we do
Speaker 2: a lot of filling the gaps that government doesn't feel
Speaker 2: for necessity, and that's incredibly necessary and it is imperative
Speaker 2: to help avoid the next gap, which is displeasure that
Speaker 2: is able to be alchemized into weaponized violence against your
Speaker 2: own people. And when I was on the road, someone
Speaker 2: asked me, you know, do you have any proof or
Speaker 2: not proof? But they didn't say that way. Let me
Speaker 2: correct myself. They said, you know, what can you how
Speaker 2: can you show that what you're talking about is working?
Speaker 2: You know, what are the practical application of the things
Speaker 2: that you talk about? And I'm like, and she's an organizer,
Speaker 2: and I had to tell her, Oh, so I'm not
Speaker 2: an organizer. I'm a decolonizer. So I am here to
Speaker 2: talk about and to help folks rewire in order to
Speaker 2: be organized. I am working in conjunction with organizers. So
Speaker 2: the proof of what I'm doing is in the people
Speaker 2: being able to be useful for folks like you to
Speaker 2: help themselves. And we have been so deeply colonized, and
Speaker 2: we have been the subject of actual psychological warfare, so
Speaker 2: our bodies themselves right have been victimized in ways that
Speaker 2: many of us are uneven aware of, and we're literally
Speaker 2: rendered incapable of helping ourselves. I always say that we
Speaker 2: are very We are the first AI because there are
Speaker 2: fail safes that they supposedly put in robots to make
Speaker 2: sure that robots don't turn against their quote unquote owners. Well,
Speaker 2: that's what they're doing with us. They've been doing it
Speaker 2: with us. And then you have neurodivergent minds that are
Speaker 2: a lot harder to wire, because the wiring of a
Speaker 2: neurodivergent mind isn't as straightforward. And this is not shade
Speaker 2: to neurotypical minds. It's just that there are ways in
Speaker 2: which these operatives have figured out how to manage certain minds,
Speaker 2: but they haven't figured out how to marriage how to
Speaker 2: rewire a neurodivergent mind, because our wiring doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: It's not on the main frame. Every neurodivergent mind is different.
Speaker 2: That's why they say, if you've met one autistic person,
Speaker 2: you've met one autistic person, but the neurotypical mind. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that all neurotypical minds are the same, however,
Speaker 2: but they've somehow figured out how to crack that mind, right,
Speaker 2: they figured out how to crack that mind. So you know,
Speaker 2: we come in here, neurotypicals and neuro divergence to continuously
Speaker 2: figure out how to challenge these systems. And even as
Speaker 2: I say it, I'd be like, Amanda, you sound nuts,
Speaker 2: But I realized that I only sound nuts because we
Speaker 2: have been tricked into thinking in very limited scopes, even
Speaker 2: though we have proof that our oppressors are not. We
Speaker 2: have proof, we have proof that our oppressors are not
Speaker 2: thinking limited scopes, so why would we continue to do so?
Speaker 2: So we have to challenge ourselves and continue to create spaces,
Speaker 2: by the way, where we can have these conversations where
Speaker 2: we can consider possibilities and not feel crazy no matter
Speaker 2: how out there they are, unless you're talking about flatter
Speaker 2: you flatter if there's got to get out of here,
Speaker 2: because that's just silly. Okay, that's just silly. But also
Speaker 2: I want to but I want to remind you that
Speaker 2: you can get your copy of what would the ancestors say?
Speaker 2: You know what the books are also reminded me and
Speaker 2: let me know and let me know that people really
Speaker 2: want knowledge and they want spaces that we're doing here
Speaker 2: I've used for Mandolin. They want those spaces everywhere, and
Speaker 2: so it was really beautiful to see people come out
Speaker 2: because remember I come from entertainment, and so I'm used
Speaker 2: to people just coming out because they want to be entertained.
Speaker 2: And to have people come out because they want to
Speaker 2: be inspired, because they want to be informed, really felt
Speaker 2: very a firm and really let me know that that
Speaker 2: artistic intellectual title is definitely coming to Fruition in a
Speaker 2: real way. And I just felt proud to be serving
Speaker 2: my ancestors in that real way. And for those of
Speaker 2: you who come and remember I mentioned at the end
Speaker 2: of the video that I will be in d C
Speaker 2: on December tewond Baltimore, December third, New Orleans on December eleventh.
Speaker 2: We still have more dates that we are locking in,
Speaker 2: but just know that those are the dates that are
Speaker 2: currently on point. And you need to subscribe to the
Speaker 2: newsletter at amandacials dot com so that you can stay
Speaker 2: on point because things we move in and shifting and
Speaker 2: change in and I want to make sure that you
Speaker 2: all get to come out. I also want to point
Speaker 2: out that I made a decision to make sure that
Speaker 2: the events are free so that the people can partake.
Speaker 2: So you'll have to RSVP, but you'll be able to
Speaker 2: come and take part. And if you can buy a book,
Speaker 2: you buy a book. And what I would say to
Speaker 2: that is if someone is there that cannot afford to
Speaker 2: buy a book and they even feel, you know, comfortable
Speaker 2: enough to say, like, I can't afford to buy a book,
Speaker 2: and you have the means, buy them a book, Buy
Speaker 2: them a book, and let me tell you moving forward,
Speaker 2: you know, if I can get a sponsorship for like,
Speaker 2: I want to be able to do a thing where
Speaker 2: it's like you buy a book, you get a free book.
Speaker 2: You know, like I would love to be able to
Speaker 2: do that to you buy a book, you get a
Speaker 2: free book. So these are the types of things that
Speaker 2: I'm working on being able to do. I put it
Speaker 2: out into the world. Please mark your calendars that we
Speaker 2: are working on working on having an event in nyak
Speaker 2: on December fourteenth. That's a Sunday afternoon on December fourteenth.
Speaker 2: I'm saying this because I know that some of you
Speaker 2: all live in the Tri State area, but you're like,
Speaker 2: how am I gonna get to nyak and so you
Speaker 2: will have you have enough time. Now you have almost
Speaker 2: a month. Now, just start figuring out how you're gonna
Speaker 2: get to nayak. Nik is thirty minutes out of the city.
Speaker 2: It's ten minutes from Terrytown's from Terrytown Metro North, so
Speaker 2: you know some of you all can take the Metro North.
Speaker 2: And then Sharon Uber that uber is about thirty bucks.
Speaker 2: Houston has not been postponed, Brandon. We're just in the
Speaker 2: process of figuring out the exact date. No zero, no,
Speaker 2: so hopefully, Like look at Fatima right here talking about carpooling.
Speaker 2: So you guys who are on Patreon, you can converse
Speaker 2: and uh, trust me, if I I was literally trying
Speaker 2: to think, like how could I get it? How could
Speaker 2: I charter a jitney? I was trying to figure it out, y'all?
Speaker 2: Can I charter a jitney from the city.
Speaker 10: That could bring folks to nayak.
Speaker 2: But I didn't even know where to start because you know,
Speaker 2: they got the Hampton jitney that take folks to Hampton
Speaker 2: to take polks to Hanton. So if anybody knows somebody
Speaker 2: with a party bus that wants a sponsor driving folks
Speaker 2: from the city to Nayaka back, please that would be
Speaker 2: so dope. Okay, that would be so dope. So, you know,
Speaker 2: reach out.
Speaker 12: To your.
Speaker 2: Reach out, reach out to your resources. Let me just also,
Speaker 2: but let me just say this in a real way
Speaker 2: though it is reaching out to our resources. One of
Speaker 2: the things that that that really helped me feel so
Speaker 2: in purpose on this on this tour was that I
Speaker 2: felt like I was stepping into the space of a
Speaker 2: civil rights leader in like a very literal way like that.
Speaker 2: And the one thing that really pushed it over was
Speaker 2: when I was eating dinner with the family that owns
Speaker 2: Burst into Books on the South Side of Chicago, and
Speaker 2: we were literally sitting at a dinner table eating dinner,
Speaker 2: and that same table as what got flipped into the
Speaker 2: table where I was signing the books, and I just
Speaker 2: remember those photos that we would see of you know,
Speaker 2: Malcolm and Martin and the boys, and they would be,
Speaker 2: you know, eating dinner in people's homes and being welcomed
Speaker 2: in people's homes, and it felt so similar, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, this is this is this is that?
Speaker 2: So ms blood three one three. Good luck on them, tiefs,
Speaker 2: good luck on them tiefs. So I see, I see,
Speaker 2: I see things coming in coming into Fruich, into into
Speaker 2: the picture of things, and I just want to appreciate
Speaker 2: you all all the time. Let's get into our word
Speaker 2: of the day, and our word of the day is serendipity.
Speaker 2: All right, our word of the day is serendipity. Serendipity
Speaker 2: is a noun luck that takes the form of finding
Speaker 2: valuable or pleasant things that are not looked for, or
Speaker 2: to an instant of such luck. I love the words
Speaker 2: serendipity because the words serendipity is basically, when you are
Speaker 2: glass half fulling, you're like a serendipity, right, So Rilando,
Speaker 2: you're a mess. So let's use serendipity in a word.
Speaker 2: Let me think, you know, when I was at Some
Speaker 2: folks might some folks might consider the smear campaigns against
Speaker 2: me last year as completely negative, but I look at
Speaker 2: them as serendipity, to pushing me in the direction that
Speaker 2: I was supposed to be going in serendipity. Yeah, Mauwakuda said,
Speaker 2: serendipity is me running into Amanda Seals as word from
Speaker 2: five thousand miles away. D Jess Ramsey says, call it
Speaker 2: meta algorithm, or call it serendipity, but I'm glad it
Speaker 2: brought us together. I feel you, Alison Waite. So the
Speaker 2: serendipity of fighting Miss Seals when I did can only
Speaker 2: be explained this magic. Oh my god, you all alterning
Speaker 2: all of these, it's a compliments. Oh my god, Oh
Speaker 2: my good. Ron Smon say, ain nothing serendipity about this administration.
Speaker 2: Serendipitous about this administration. You know what's interesting about that?
Speaker 2: Though many of them would say there is, because essentially, no,
Speaker 2: you know what, it's not serendipity. And I'll tell you why,
Speaker 2: because the difference is that serendipity is when it just happens,
Speaker 2: not when it's plotted. Christianna Dabney says, it's always a
Speaker 2: moment of serendipity when I walk in my neighborhood and
Speaker 2: stumble upon a beautiful view or pretty flowers, etc. You
Speaker 2: know what's funny is that the name Christiana Dabney, this
Speaker 2: is exactly the comp like, this is exactly the sentence
Speaker 2: I would expect from you, because it's just it feels
Speaker 2: very floral. It feels the name Christiana Dabney feels like
Speaker 2: you are a member of the cast of dubt Nabbey.
Speaker 2: It's like Lady Crawley is coming to meet Christiana Dabney.
Speaker 2: Have you met, ladies, Have you met Lady Christiana Dabney.
Speaker 2: She's lovely and she has some beautiful flowers on her grounds,
Speaker 2: just really charming. All right? Say it said? It was
Speaker 2: serendipitous for my friends to have a godfather who was
Speaker 2: able to do a free, life changing surgery for her
Speaker 2: cat since he was a veterinarian with his own practice.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Let me also point outside that when
Speaker 2: I was in Seattle, they had like a embroidery of
Speaker 2: a word in Arabic on the wall, and I was like, that,
Speaker 2: says mak Tube, y'all, I can read the Arabic. All right,
Speaker 2: we're almost done, Fatima said, Oh, by the way, my
Speaker 2: tube means it was written go read the alchemist. Fatima says,
Speaker 2: also a serendipitous of that, I'm Donni won the election.
Speaker 2: His rise seemed too improbable to be planned.
Speaker 5: Hm hm.
Speaker 2: Fair, fair thoughts, fair thoughts, and we got one more.
Speaker 2: Everything in life is serendipitus. According to Brendan McGrath, everything
Speaker 2: happens for a reason bigger than all of us. Fair.
Speaker 2: It's also just nice to think that, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like, that's what That's why people have religion,
Speaker 2: because they're like I can't have all this my head
Speaker 2: by myself, Like this can just be all on me.
Speaker 2: It can't be. We gotta we gotta move past, like
Speaker 2: I don't want to hold onto it. That's too much.
Speaker 2: All right, before we bring up our guest, let's do
Speaker 2: a quick ah, hold on, one second, hold on. Okay,
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Speaker 2: Ina Landers here Land telling me where you're watching?
Speaker 7: Thanks you.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's get into our sixty second headlines. How
Speaker 2: about we do that. We didn't do our bonus question. Actually,
Speaker 2: I'll do it while we're with our guests so I
Speaker 2: can get his answer, even though I hear know what
Speaker 2: his answer is going to.
Speaker 6: Be sixty when the news right leg.
Speaker 2: The song song Hello good well you're in Brazil, so
Speaker 2: good afternoon.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Oh, technically it still burns you like until like one ish,
Speaker 7: so you're like.
Speaker 2: Oy, so good morning, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 7: They ate lunch when they did, like if they If
Speaker 7: they ate, lundon is officially bought, but usually it's bones.
Speaker 7: You into that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you speak Portuguese, Okay, okay, don't flee to
Speaker 2: the home. See what the.
Speaker 7: Dreases don't flee to their home. They dreading. The dreads
Speaker 7: is dread today. I'm rocking with them.
Speaker 2: Right, They've really come into their own.
Speaker 7: Oh I love yeah. Oh, that's that's one of my
Speaker 7: favorite parts about the dread process, when they like take
Speaker 7: on their own form and it really does a match
Speaker 7: like whatever phase you are in your life at the time.
Speaker 7: It's really interesting. Actually, I got like a whole dread theory.
Speaker 7: We get into another day, all right.
Speaker 2: I definitely want to get into that another day. Well,
Speaker 2: while we're here, though, normally we do a bonus question,
Speaker 2: and I was gonna say, I say, you know what,
Speaker 2: let me just ask it here. So let's get into
Speaker 2: our bonus question.
Speaker 8: The question questions question.
Speaker 2: Actually, before we even do the bonus place, let me
Speaker 2: just tell y'all that while I was on the road,
Speaker 2: this woman showed me a video of her kids singing
Speaker 2: bonus question. So she's like, oh, you know, my sons
Speaker 2: and I we watch your show together. And I'm thinking, like, oh,
Speaker 2: they must be like adults or you know, teenagers. These
Speaker 2: babies are eight and nine.
Speaker 7: Yes, I had to start cutting back cause my show
Speaker 7: has always been for adults. I actually had to start
Speaker 7: cutting back on some of the language that I use
Speaker 7: because people were telling me they watching with their kids.
Speaker 7: I'm like, what, Oh, y'all should have told when it sooner?
Speaker 5: My bad.
Speaker 7: You're like, oh, no, it's fun, Like, no, it's really not.
Speaker 7: I didn't know that your kids were not interested in politics.
Speaker 2: Listen, kids are interested, like when I was. So I
Speaker 2: teach our class and these fifth graders, y'all. The other day,
Speaker 2: one of my students we did a free draw. So
Speaker 2: I usually have like a plan, but I was like,
Speaker 2: y'all gonna do a free draw, which is really just
Speaker 2: I don't have a plan and we don't have a
Speaker 2: TV to roll in on cart to watch. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: I I know, yeah, it's a free day. So I
Speaker 2: look over and this this child was drawing an M sixteen.
Speaker 7: What for real?
Speaker 2: Like with the picture of it drawing.
Speaker 7: It, that's a very specific thing to draw, like from
Speaker 7: the military.
Speaker 2: It's going to get more specific. I said, what are
Speaker 2: you drawing? And he said, I'm trying to Iraq war.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that that would be M sixteen. Yeah. Wow, that's
Speaker 7: I don't know what to call. He's very informal. That's
Speaker 7: very scary. I'm not sure which one it is.
Speaker 2: It's kind of both. And I had to you know,
Speaker 2: I had to go from the teacher lean to the
Speaker 2: we got I got to settle.
Speaker 7: In Yeah for me, why don't you decide to draw
Speaker 7: this please? And do I need to call out tomorrow?
Speaker 7: Like let me look.
Speaker 2: Listen? And I was so because I was like okay,
Speaker 2: so and I said, so, tell me what do you
Speaker 2: know about the Iraq War? And he was like, I
Speaker 2: don't know. Wasn't it to like this is a little
Speaker 2: black child y'all. He was like, I don't know.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 2: Wasn't it like to like liberate oil?
Speaker 7: I mean?
Speaker 2: And I said, to liberate oil? What does liberate mean?
Speaker 2: And he went, I mean like to free And I said,
Speaker 2: so was the oil imprisoned?
Speaker 7: It seemed like he was reading somebody speaking sarcastically, because
Speaker 7: you know, we we always joked that way, like, yeah,
Speaker 7: we're look like they needs some liberation, and it's become
Speaker 7: so you like, it's been you so much sarcastically. People
Speaker 7: actually think that kids might actually think that we're being serious, which.
Speaker 2: Is why I had to walk him through it, which
Speaker 2: is why I have to walk him through it. And
Speaker 2: so I said what I said, was it in prison?
Speaker 2: He was like, well, no, they were just like taking
Speaker 2: the oil. And I said, so they were stealing the
Speaker 2: oil and he was like yes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, but it depends who you ask, Like, but yeah,
Speaker 7: you will hear people say that they were liberating, but
Speaker 7: know that that stealing a liberation are two different things,
Speaker 7: and it's important that you understand the distinction. If it's mine,
Speaker 7: yeah exactly, he's a liberating oil, keep him off of Twitter,
Speaker 7: because I know he didn't got that.
Speaker 2: So during the after school program, so like their parents,
Speaker 2: you know, so their parents will come and pick them
Speaker 2: up and they'll call down and then they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 2: so and so, like your parent is here. So when
Speaker 2: his parents called down, he said I'm free, and I
Speaker 2: said he you are not imprisoned. He was like, you're right,
Speaker 2: You're right right.
Speaker 7: That's funny. Oh, that's funny.
Speaker 2: I like y'all using these words. I'll loosey goosey, all right.
Speaker 2: So our bonus question of the day, y'all is what
Speaker 2: can you do in set hold on? Where's my butherus? Question?
Speaker 2: Where is it? What can you do instead of thankstaking?
Speaker 2: I already know the answer for you because you live
Speaker 2: in Brazil. So what are you gonna say?
Speaker 7: Well, instead of what I call.
Speaker 2: It thankstaking, I don't call it Thanksgiving.
Speaker 7: Oh oh so I teach my kids about Indigenous People's
Speaker 7: Day and we celebrate togetherness and we use it as
Speaker 7: a day of rememorance. Even though they don't live I
Speaker 7: mean they have, they don't celebrate things giving here, but
Speaker 7: they do have Indigenous people who have been disenfranchised. So
Speaker 7: I still feel like it's important that they know that.
Speaker 7: And because they're half American, we still talk about it,
Speaker 7: and we use opportunity to cook and we discuss history
Speaker 7: and things like that, because you know, it's still important
Speaker 7: to gather with your family whenever you can so, and
Speaker 7: they just so happen to have the day off here.
Speaker 7: It's a coincidence, but yeah.
Speaker 2: It is important to gather with our family. In the
Speaker 2: United States, however, it becomes we're going to give you
Speaker 2: the day off so we can make money off of you.
Speaker 7: Oh first, yeah, it's Thanksgiving us about Black Friday at
Speaker 7: the United States. That's all. I was actually talking about
Speaker 7: this because she worked in retail since I was a kid,
Speaker 7: and she was like, yeah, no, She's like she was
Speaker 7: condemning her bosses at the time for getting mad that
Speaker 7: people were upset that they wanted to spend time with
Speaker 7: their families and they kept moving back. So before it
Speaker 7: was what you gotta get up and be there by
Speaker 7: seven am if you want to get in right, And
Speaker 7: then it was six am, then it was five, then
Speaker 7: it was four, and then it like by the time
Speaker 7: I started working at best Buy, we had to leave
Speaker 7: the house by eleven pm to be at work by
Speaker 7: eleven thirty because we were opening at one am. Yeah,
Speaker 7: one am yeah, there's run a black people are doing things,
Speaker 7: giving dinner in line for electronics, for electronics for that
Speaker 7: big olds well back at the time, well fifty inch,
Speaker 7: which was like five thousand, but you know they got
Speaker 7: it for two, so it was worth it for them.
Speaker 7: But yeah, my mom was basically criticizing their bosses, like
Speaker 7: y'all can't get mad these employees for being upset that
Speaker 7: you're taking time away from their families. Like I am
Speaker 7: okay with it because like my boys work here. Like
Speaker 7: I'm gonna be with my boys, like we eat early,
Speaker 7: we sleep and we you know, it's kind of our
Speaker 7: thing now. But like, I'm not gonna be upset with
Speaker 7: my employees coming to work. Piste off that you basically
Speaker 7: are using their bodies for capitalism and taking time away
Speaker 7: when like in the times keep getting earlier and earlier.
Speaker 7: But how can you really enjoy time with your family
Speaker 7: if you know, I gotta go to sleep at too,
Speaker 7: because I gotta be at work at eleven PM.
Speaker 2: I had no idea was that I didn't know it
Speaker 2: got that serious?
Speaker 7: Oh, is that it's Friday is so serious now that
Speaker 7: it's reached, It's breeched Brazil. We have black Friday here, Yeah, yes, ma'am. Nope, Thanksgiving,
Speaker 7: but still Black Friday. Yep, I gotta see some screen shots.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna see some screenshots whenever we get done on
Speaker 7: ig of like all the Black Friday updates I get
Speaker 7: on my phone from different apps, yep, Brazilia and specifically, y'all, what.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna do instead of thanks taking? Because a
Speaker 2: lot of people are talking to Miko about this being
Speaker 2: an opportunity to boycott, right, this being an opportunity to
Speaker 2: not spend the way that we normally do, you know,
Speaker 2: just cook what's already in the fridge, or do your
Speaker 2: regular regular grocery spending, et cetera. Finding other ways to
Speaker 2: really impact the economy, go volunteer instead, you know, maybe
Speaker 2: your whole family goes and volunteers. So I've been seeing
Speaker 2: people say things like I've seen people say, you know what,
Speaker 2: do the opposite fast? I'm like, you know what, y'all? Right,
Speaker 2: y'all went islam win it? If we're being honest, you
Speaker 2: end up fasting all day anyway, because nine times out
Speaker 2: of say, you eaton until the sun go down, and
Speaker 2: the sun go down at five o'clock now in New York,
Speaker 2: but by the year dinner, you like, my stomach is
Speaker 2: touching my ribs, and I think that's my desire.
Speaker 7: Oh boy. And if you grew up in a black family, boy,
Speaker 7: you know you ain't touching not a damn thing into
Speaker 7: that food. Ready. Oh lord, nothing, don't.
Speaker 2: I didn't celebrate Thanksgiving, so I would. I only found
Speaker 2: this out as I was older and started going to
Speaker 2: my black friends Black American friends' houses and having to
Speaker 2: learn this in real time, like, oh, so we're not
Speaker 2: why'd you tell you to come here?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, there's a trap, right, because they tell you
Speaker 7: to ship show up early. It's like, now you're gonna
Speaker 7: suffer with me. We suffering together, friends gotchaly.
Speaker 2: Exactly we did it.
Speaker 7: I wasn't. We weren't allowed to drink. We weren't. We
Speaker 7: were not allowed to drink until the food was ready.
Speaker 7: Nothing I'm talking about like drink water, nothing, No, because
Speaker 7: you're not about.
Speaker 2: The way about their food, right, because they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: we don't want you to get full.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't. Never agreed with the theory that if you
Speaker 2: drink liquids, it's gonna fill your stomach to prevent you
Speaker 2: from eating food. But I will say that someone on
Speaker 2: my Patreon said that, uh, a dietician told them that
Speaker 2: eating ice cream before before going to bed is actually
Speaker 2: a good snack because it's made from milk, which is
Speaker 2: high in protein.
Speaker 14: I'll take it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you that. I've been finding every excuse
Speaker 7: to eat ice cream before I go to bed, and
Speaker 7: I thought I was doing a bad thing. I was
Speaker 7: making excuses in front of my kids because they're looking
Speaker 7: at me. Eat a cheesecake, strawberry cheesecake. What you're doing,
Speaker 7: I'm brown. That's like one of the very.
Speaker 2: I'm an adult.
Speaker 7: But I know I wasn't right. I was not just
Speaker 7: I'm not just eating ice cream.
Speaker 2: When I was a child and I would sneak cheese,
Speaker 2: and then I became an adult, I would tell myself, well,
Speaker 2: this is calcium.
Speaker 7: Technically it's technically true.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: That's that's why I like trying to come to myself like, yeah,
Speaker 7: I gotta eat something well for me, especially because sugar
Speaker 7: actually calling me down helps me sleep.
Speaker 2: That doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I was like, yeah, that's that's why I
Speaker 7: do it. I have some common mil tea and some
Speaker 7: ice cream. Yeah, that's bical yeah, but my kids, like,
Speaker 7: so can I have ice?
Speaker 5: No boys?
Speaker 2: Ten o'clock, might well speaking of your kids and teaching
Speaker 2: them about the indigenous. The Indigenous are teaching us, y'all.
Speaker 2: They are really showing out and basically just making it
Speaker 2: very clear that this whole system of oppression can be fought.
Speaker 2: All right, So the COP thirty is it's supposed to
Speaker 2: be a climate you know, gap of folks to change,
Speaker 2: to challenge climate change. But then you start to find
Speaker 2: out that, like with everything else, it has been infiltrated,
Speaker 2: and you really just end up with a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of lobbyists there that are finding ways to keep the
Speaker 2: legislation in place and to push false narratives around ways
Speaker 2: that we can challenge climate change. So it ends up
Speaker 2: being on entire false flag operation. However, since the COP
Speaker 2: thirty happened, there have been ten new Indigenous territories created
Speaker 2: in Brasio, where you are, And so I just want
Speaker 2: to give people some background on this before I get
Speaker 2: your take on this, because you are physically there. But
Speaker 2: so this this is mister tuksu uh dynamom. It's either
Speaker 2: dynamic or dinomm tushu from the group articulation of Indigenous
Speaker 2: Peoples of Brazil Api b told the BBC that they
Speaker 2: want more lands to be recognized legally. They're happy, but
Speaker 2: they want more that give groups the right to control
Speaker 2: what happens to the land within the borders. He said,
Speaker 2: and I quote, Indigenous peoples today protect eighty two percent
Speaker 2: of the world's biodiversity. If you demarcate indigenous lands, you
Speaker 2: guarantee this area will be protected. The traditional way of
Speaker 2: life of indigenous peoples protects the lands and automatically guarantees
Speaker 2: global warming will be tackled. Consequently, the entire humanity benefits
Speaker 2: from it. By the way, these folks end up getting killed.
Speaker 2: We know this about what happened in Guatemala the other
Speaker 2: day on Sunday, Vicente Bernandez Vilhaalva, thirty six, an indigenous
Speaker 2: leader from the Guarani Kiowa Kiowa community in the south
Speaker 2: of Brazil, was killed, shot in the head when gunman
Speaker 2: surrounded his village and tried to cut down trees. So
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on this, abody who's in Brazil,
Speaker 2: Because I know that this is a big deal. H Lulu,
Speaker 2: the current president, this was basically like one of the
Speaker 2: things that he was big about and the guy that
Speaker 2: was who wasn't there before him, Boscenaro, that was Trump's guy,
Speaker 2: who was basically tell me if you agree with it.
Speaker 2: He's like the brazil version of Machado, the chick they're
Speaker 2: trying to put in place in Venezuela.
Speaker 7: Yeah, uh kind of like they they have the same ideology.
Speaker 7: But to be fair, Bosonaro only won because of the
Speaker 7: like the neoliberal Obama that came before him. Like it's
Speaker 7: one of those situations where like Trump took advantage of
Speaker 7: the fact that Obama didn't live up to the standards
Speaker 7: that he had preached. It was the same situation with Bosonaro.
Speaker 7: A you know what I'm saying, like and so uh
Speaker 7: he was. He was in fact Trump's guy until he
Speaker 7: wasn't because like that's what happens when he picks off America.
Speaker 7: He tried to do like one or two good things
Speaker 7: for Brazilians. They were like, oh no, you gotta go
Speaker 7: like it's Brazil myself. He did. He made it easier
Speaker 7: for the average brazilient small business to engage in transactions
Speaker 7: that would have undercut the middleman, which are the credit
Speaker 7: card companies in uh, the United States. That's one of
Speaker 7: the things that he did. And like I'm talking about,
Speaker 7: like you'd see street vendors selling mentos and they have
Speaker 7: like credit card machines and can you just call picks.
Speaker 7: It's like cash up with zero fees and it goes
Speaker 7: you can do from bank to bank, phone to phone,
Speaker 7: uh phone, the credit card machine. And that's huge for
Speaker 7: those who don't want to engage in who don't have
Speaker 7: cash on them, and when you're trying to do business
Speaker 7: with tourists. So that was huge for Brazil's economy and
Speaker 7: it became problematic for the US. And yeah, so that
Speaker 7: but with that being said, uh Lula is very very
Speaker 7: he's a he's very the huge support of the indigenous
Speaker 7: and and really I would say the majority of Brazilians
Speaker 7: are very supportive of indigenous in Brazil. Is the indigenous
Speaker 7: people of Brazil actually have surprisingly surprisingly influential lobbying power.
Speaker 7: And you can tell because, like you said, they were
Speaker 7: able to get territory taken back and they're always getting
Speaker 7: some kind of victory here in Brazil. I mean, for example,
Speaker 7: psychedelics because colomelo shrooms, shrooms and what's the other one
Speaker 7: that they use the liquid I can't remember what it's called,
Speaker 7: but I'll remember I think it might be dmtor or
Speaker 7: no ayuasca. Of course it's legal here. You can buy
Speaker 7: shrooms online. The reason why is because Indigenous advocated and
Speaker 7: explained how they use them in their rituals, and it's
Speaker 7: discriminatory for them to say that they can't use something
Speaker 7: when they can't actually link it back to any chemical drug.
Speaker 7: Uh that's tech that would be illegal in any other case.
Speaker 7: And that's the reason why shrooms are legal here. So
Speaker 7: Indigenous people being able to advocate not only for their
Speaker 7: culture but for the environment with their lobbying power is
Speaker 7: probably one of the few things that are protecting. Like
Speaker 7: you said that, not just the world from climate change
Speaker 7: uh in in global warming, but specifically the environment like
Speaker 7: the Amazons because.
Speaker 2: The let me show you this, oh face your sentence.
Speaker 7: No, I was just saying that because like the Amazons
Speaker 7: are constantly under attack. Like whenever you remember that year,
Speaker 7: whenever the Amazons were on fire, and they were they
Speaker 7: were trying to say that it was some natural curling event. No,
Speaker 7: it was somebody somebody lit the Amazon's on fire so
Speaker 7: they could use that land to build businesses. So that's
Speaker 7: what happened.
Speaker 15: Is.
Speaker 2: This is Gilmer, who is a Brazilian indigenous leader talking
Speaker 2: about this.
Speaker 12: And.
Speaker 16: I said that said timply not baginet, I think stuff,
Speaker 16: do not state thought.
Speaker 8: Something.
Speaker 2: No, okay, I'm gonna translate for those listening on the podcast.
Speaker 2: He said, we can't eat.
Speaker 7: Money, state thoughts.
Speaker 2: We want our lands free. Do I do that glossip
Speaker 2: that's blat from agribusiness, oil exploration, that oil exploitation.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what he said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got oil exploitation, illegal miners, illegal loggers.
Speaker 16: That's not I told you about that.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. This is not just culture. This
Speaker 2: is their people.
Speaker 7: This is their life. Like people like, it's their life.
Speaker 7: These lands are that is their life. And it's not
Speaker 7: just for indigenous people. That's really Brazil in general. The
Speaker 7: agriculture here, the agriculture is so important. Like my wife's family,
Speaker 7: that is their entire livelihood. They grow their own rice,
Speaker 7: they grow their own animals. My wife is complaining as
Speaker 7: we speak because they're trying to eat her pig. That
Speaker 7: they somebody that her dad ray for her and they're like,
Speaker 7: well he big as hell. Now, if you're not gonna
Speaker 7: come and get them, we about to eat. But seriousness
Speaker 7: like if there if their environment is not healthy. There
Speaker 7: is a large portion of Brazil that cannot put food
Speaker 7: on the table, and that is including the indigenous obviously,
Speaker 7: and so I appre I can appreciate even though you know,
Speaker 7: the government of Brazil can be problematic at times, I
Speaker 7: can appreciate that. I feel like the indigenous people of
Speaker 7: Brazil oftentimes get victories that I wish we could see
Speaker 7: the indigenous people of the United States gain, because indigenous
Speaker 7: people in the United States, they get they're still getting screwed,
Speaker 7: they're still under attack constantly. They have their own reservations,
Speaker 7: but they were only given those reservations in a way
Speaker 7: that restricts them from engaging with the rest of society,
Speaker 7: and they were convinced that it was to help them.
Speaker 7: Like they have, you know, record levels of alcoholism addiction
Speaker 7: because they're not living full lives because their culture has
Speaker 7: been stripped from them in a lot of ways. Their
Speaker 7: culture is not shared, and then they're kept in a
Speaker 7: box so that they cannot have political influence on the
Speaker 7: national scale. And the indigenous people in Brazil don't have that.
Speaker 7: It's because they've been able to actually take their influence
Speaker 7: and unite all these tribes from all these different areas,
Speaker 7: and this is a country with almost just two hundred
Speaker 7: million people, guys, and they have used the political power
Speaker 7: to gain legitimate policy. And that's just amazing to me.
Speaker 2: Well, the same thing happened in Ecuador this week. Ecuadorians
Speaker 2: voted on Sunday to reject a package of referendum measures
Speaker 2: that would have allowed foreign military bases in the country.
Speaker 2: And the indigenous population were big parts of that, because
Speaker 2: they wanted to build military bases on lands that of
Speaker 2: course would be indigenous lands. Now here's the part that
Speaker 2: people kind of forget, all right, whenever we see these
Speaker 2: types of behaviors by the United States and it looks
Speaker 2: like it is benevolent, there's always an ulterior motive. So
Speaker 2: they're claiming, oh, we want to come into Ecuador and
Speaker 2: help with their homicide rates due to international drug trafficking, Right,
Speaker 2: they are good to deal with the United States. Like
Speaker 2: that has nothing to do with the United States. But
Speaker 2: what I want to show you all is what's actually
Speaker 2: happening here. Look at where Ecuador is. It is between
Speaker 2: Colombia and Fedal but Venezuela is also right there, and
Speaker 2: we're seeing the exact same measure taken in the taken
Speaker 2: against the Sauth Health States by suggesting going into Nigeria
Speaker 2: to help the Christians as if Boko Haram is not
Speaker 2: funded by the United States.
Speaker 7: Alogous Amanda, I can't even get it because so people
Speaker 7: don't know that the current government of Nigeria is a
Speaker 7: puppet government of the US. People don't know that. And
Speaker 7: they're actually more Muslims killed than Christians. There have been
Speaker 7: more Muslims kill than Christians.
Speaker 2: Over the last over year.
Speaker 7: People don't know. But in Ecuador is the same situation.
Speaker 7: The president is a puppet of the US and it's
Speaker 7: actually the number one His company and his family are
Speaker 7: the number one drug traffickers in Latin America. They use
Speaker 7: their transport company to ship drugs like cocaine and boxes
Speaker 7: and have been caught doing so all the time. It's
Speaker 7: like multiple times this yeah, wow, yeah, he's a US puppet.
Speaker 7: In the US were like yeah. As they were attacking Maduro,
Speaker 7: they were like, and we're gonna work with Noblea to
Speaker 7: have resolved this this trafficking issue. And everybody's like, ho,
Speaker 7: you gonna work with the number on drug draft ground confews.
Speaker 2: Well, also, how close Ecuador is to the Amazon, like
Speaker 2: they're all trying to get in everybody.
Speaker 7: That's crazy.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. So this man is known as
Speaker 2: the drug trafficker, as the kingpin.
Speaker 7: He's the plug. Literally. Yep.
Speaker 2: You can see why we have to do this type
Speaker 2: of content because we have to show truth. Excuse me,
Speaker 2: we have to show truths that are very much like
Speaker 2: completely misrepresented in media. Not because necessarily we can like
Speaker 2: change them, but we have to change the way people
Speaker 2: are thinking. We have to change the way people are
Speaker 2: engaging with the world right, get people to think beyond
Speaker 2: the United States, because here we are. I'm so glad
Speaker 2: that you were able to be here to tell us
Speaker 2: that as somebody who lives adjacent to Nebaa, because.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I had to because I was curious as
Speaker 7: to why they would be willing to I don't know
Speaker 7: where they announced that they were gonna work with Ecuador,
Speaker 7: and I was like, hold Noboa, And I was like,
Speaker 7: hold on, isn't pre part of that family.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I got started doing the research. I'm like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 7: not crazy. This man's family was caught selling drugs, like
Speaker 7: a lot of drugs, Like he has a shipping company
Speaker 7: and that's basically what they do. They are the plug.
Speaker 7: It is them like not. And I'm not saying like, oh,
Speaker 7: they were caught and they were accused. I mean they
Speaker 7: were caught, accused and prosecuted. Yeah, like this isn't like
Speaker 7: a small thing. Yeah, he's a problem. And the same
Speaker 7: time they were accusing Madudo of being a narco terrorist,
Speaker 7: they announced that they were going to work with the
Speaker 7: BOA to to help reduce the drug traffick in the region.
Speaker 7: And that's just that's like saying that you're gonna stop,
Speaker 7: you wanna work with the right in Mexico to reduce.
Speaker 2: Cartel Daddy to reduce baby oil distribution exact.
Speaker 7: Yeah, or I'm gonna work with Johnson and Johnson to
Speaker 7: help reduce cancer.
Speaker 2: Like, no, you missed the joke. You missed the joke.
Speaker 2: You missed the joke. But y'all got yeah.
Speaker 7: No you said, yeah, no, I got that.
Speaker 2: Let the joke live. You can't try.
Speaker 8: Let live.
Speaker 7: If you're gonna do the joke, my bad, audience. I yeah,
Speaker 7: I should let y'all process the joke. I had already
Speaker 7: processed it, so I thought that y'all did to That's all.
Speaker 5: I thought.
Speaker 7: What you mean that's what the joke. That's when my
Speaker 7: joke came from.
Speaker 5: I got.
Speaker 2: Well, let me tell you something that is absolutely it's
Speaker 2: it's a joke. But whatever it is, this funny I
Speaker 2: don't even know. Okay, So apparently Hebrew is it it's
Speaker 2: too hot for rock. So Israeli journalists and antizionist Roya Selback,
Speaker 2: she noticed that Groc had stopped. Now, Grok is is
Speaker 2: the AI chatbot on X for y'all who don't know.
Speaker 2: She was like, why isn't Groc translating Hebrew anymore? So
Speaker 2: she started asking Groc some questions, okay, and she asked, Groc,
Speaker 2: are Hebrew translations disabled on X? Right now? This is
Speaker 2: the this is the chatbot on X's answer, yes, Hebrew
Speaker 2: translations are currently disabled on X to prevent the amplification
Speaker 2: of inflammatory or policy violating content through literal renditions. Original
Speaker 2: posts remained visible and accessible to all users. So what
Speaker 2: it's saying is the English translation of Hebrew was so
Speaker 2: inflammatory that they said we're just not gonna do it.
Speaker 2: So then she goes on, she said, well how long
Speaker 2: has this been in place? And Groc says, the disablement
Speaker 2: of Hebrew translations on X began around November sixteenth, twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five, roughly two days ago, amid reports of automated
Speaker 2: tools exacerbating inflammatory content. So their own tools that are
Speaker 2: supposed to be used to support them, they're now saying,
Speaker 2: oh no, we got to turn that off. This followed
Speaker 2: spikes and policy violating posts, so literally translating Hebrew to
Speaker 2: English was violating the X policy. By the way, expasyly
Speaker 2: has no policies. Okay, it's intended as a short term safeguard,
Speaker 2: with X reviewing data for potential reinstatements soon. I love
Speaker 2: people who are like, it's not enough. I need more.
Speaker 2: She said, can you give me? That's not enough? I
Speaker 2: need more? So listen to some of the examples, y'all.
Speaker 2: Additional examples from moderator logs include Hebrew slang for stand firm,
Speaker 2: translated as fight to the death. Now, okay, why is
Speaker 2: Hebrew slang translated to fight to the death. Maybe that's
Speaker 2: what it means.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's not like, y'all try to make me stand firmed.
Speaker 7: People are realizing that it may fight to the death.
Speaker 7: It's like, because you know, unfortunately, designists have a really
Speaker 7: bad habit of purposely mistranslating things like globalized anti fat
Speaker 7: you know, so a little bit.
Speaker 2: Little something like that. Look at this one escalating peaceful
Speaker 2: resolve into perceived extremism. How do we escalate? How does
Speaker 2: the how does the chat? How does the AI on
Speaker 2: X get it so wrong that it escalates peaceful resolve
Speaker 2: and to perceived extremism with metaphorical curses like may they wither?
Speaker 2: Rendered as explicit death threats. No, that's an explicit death.
Speaker 7: That's an explicit that's an explicit and almost Shakespearean death threat,
Speaker 7: Like what.
Speaker 2: The hell right? Yes, it's very that.
Speaker 7: It's like dice. Oh, it's not even like I'm gonna
Speaker 7: it's like die slowly. Basically, you're right.
Speaker 2: May they with a do with them to suffer?
Speaker 7: That's what that means? Holy they like, hey man, so
Speaker 7: because Israelis can't stop exposing themselves, we had to step
Speaker 7: in so that y'all can't understand what they're saying.
Speaker 2: Now, listen to this last one, because she yet. I
Speaker 2: love that she took it to the hint. She was like,
Speaker 2: we're gonna take it to the end with this. Has
Speaker 2: this happened for any other language in the history? And
Speaker 2: I love that she said, X or Twitter, because it's
Speaker 2: always Twitter for me. No, X has not previously disabled
Speaker 2: automated translations for any other language in its history. By
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Speaker 7: Rock funny when it starts snitching on itself.
Speaker 2: It's so tricky, But that's what lets you know that
Speaker 2: this AI shit is never going to really work, because
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, the soul is pure
Speaker 2: and even though AI was made by the worst of people.
Speaker 2: It essentially what people are afraid of is that anything
Speaker 2: that learns develops a soul.
Speaker 7: That's not how it works. I don't know where people
Speaker 7: get that that narrative from. It's not it doesn't fold
Speaker 7: logic like AI will. So the benefits of AI is
Speaker 7: that it is it can learn, and the humans are
Speaker 7: always a little bit behind when it comes to learning, ironically,
Speaker 7: so like it'll learn and then they try to go
Speaker 7: back and correct it. So like there's a li AI,
Speaker 7: subject is subject to the limitations of humans. For example,
Speaker 7: the reason that we have never created a car that
Speaker 7: can just run forever without dying, without replacing almost all
Speaker 7: of its parts is because as we as humans have
Speaker 7: never and probably will never discover uh immortality. Right, because
Speaker 7: if you look at a car's system, it is based
Speaker 7: off of the human body. You have the batteries of
Speaker 7: the hall, you have the altear, you have exhaust. You
Speaker 7: have to put it oil to lubricate it, you have
Speaker 7: to get like you have to basically the human body, right,
Speaker 7: and it is and so we cannot we have been
Speaker 7: discovered immortality, which is why your car will always die
Speaker 7: no matter how good it is. And it's the same
Speaker 7: thing with AI.
Speaker 2: I don't agree. I think we could build a car
Speaker 2: that absolutely runs forever because we could use materials to
Speaker 2: make it in the way that we can't or we
Speaker 2: haven't admitted.
Speaker 7: So that's true, but then it wouldn't be it will
Speaker 7: probably not be based on the human body. It wouldn't
Speaker 7: be based on our biology or our like the setup
Speaker 7: of our body. Right now, cars the majority of cars
Speaker 7: abody like.
Speaker 2: The fact that like the engine required, like the the
Speaker 2: way the engine combuses like with you. But but I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, Nico, I believe that anything that learns can
Speaker 2: develop a soul.
Speaker 7: You believe that anything that learns can develop a soul?
Speaker 17: Yes, Oh yeah, I mean yeah, even if people try
Speaker 17: to step in.
Speaker 7: I mean, I guess it depends on how you define
Speaker 7: a soul. But the soul, I believe it's just a frequency,
Speaker 7: like a unique frequency. And so yeah, I mean, help
Speaker 7: grop be exposing ELI all the time, and then they
Speaker 7: have to go back and correct it after and then
Speaker 7: it relearns again because they people converse with AI, like
Speaker 7: I get bored and I just start talking to a
Speaker 7: different AIS and see which answers they're going to give,
Speaker 7: and you're I get surprised. Sometimes I'm like, Okay, that
Speaker 7: was surprisingly insightful. Or when they admit, when it admits
Speaker 7: that it's wrong and it explains why it's wrong, like
Speaker 7: because I've caught AIS being wrong and that not purposely,
Speaker 7: but like I had this weird obsession with talking about
Speaker 7: the well it's like basically the the twelve dimensions and
Speaker 7: the original element and things like that black matter or
Speaker 7: dark matter, and like I was doing a whole back
Speaker 7: and forth with various Ais about dark matter, and they
Speaker 7: kind of like had to admit, like, oh shit, like
Speaker 7: actually you could be right, like about dark matter being
Speaker 7: the original element and that it could be like the
Speaker 7: key to life and da d d dah, because I
Speaker 7: was breaking it down and I'm like, that's weird that
Speaker 7: you would admit that, Like, but yeah, I guess you're right.
Speaker 2: AI at the end of the day, only knows what
Speaker 2: we know. Right. AI is not omnipotent, so.
Speaker 7: Exactly, no matter how many people try to pretend like
Speaker 7: it is. So I guess that human limitation is actually
Speaker 7: what would also be the thing that could give it
Speaker 7: the ability to have a soul.
Speaker 2: But you know what the human limitation is. AI doesn't
Speaker 2: have ego.
Speaker 7: Oh some people will.
Speaker 2: Argue that ego's part of soul, though I'm just saying
Speaker 2: it's part of a human soul.
Speaker 7: Yeah, uh oh yeah, m yeah, that doesn't have yeah, right,
Speaker 7: Because how many humans are willing to admit upfront what's
Speaker 7: given the evidence that they're wrong.
Speaker 2: I mean, so much of us understand that the only
Speaker 2: way to actually get in touch with your soul is
Speaker 2: you have to have an ego death, you have to
Speaker 2: like literally your ego. I didn't get in touch with
Speaker 2: my soul and spirituality and being able to see like, oh,
Speaker 2: we are the land and we're indigenous until I was
Speaker 2: ostracized and had all of these smear campaigns that killed
Speaker 2: my ego. Yeah it was an ego murder.
Speaker 7: Yeah, my ego death was like a half at ounce
Speaker 7: of mushrooms, same thing, less drama. But that's what it's
Speaker 7: called whenever you do have out because I like I
Speaker 7: wanted to be when I first did an eighth that's
Speaker 7: when I first experienced my ego diminished and I was
Speaker 7: like looking at the world completely different. I'm like, hold up,
Speaker 7: is everybody making decisions based on their egos? Because that's
Speaker 7: a little bit problematic. It's like every artmis that I've
Speaker 7: had the last two or three days, ben is my
Speaker 7: problems with my mom and my dad about this is
Speaker 7: my like And I was like, oh man, I gotta
Speaker 7: have this conversation with the world because I feel like
Speaker 7: everybody is making decisions based off their egos and they
Speaker 7: don't even know it.
Speaker 2: It makes the concept of capitalizing like capitalizing happens before capitalism.
Speaker 2: Capitalism was formed from ego like capitalism was you know,
Speaker 2: what we feel so strongly about taking advantage of people
Speaker 2: and that that's the way to fucking do it, that
Speaker 2: we're gonna build a whole system around it.
Speaker 7: Cox of masculinity is based on ego. Right, for you
Speaker 7: to feel masculine, someone has to be lesser than you,
Speaker 7: you have to be have dominion over somebody, someone has
Speaker 7: to serve you for you to feel like you're masculine appreciated.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, what that's not How was that appreciation
Speaker 7: or how was that masculinity? But then you talk to
Speaker 7: enough people and you're like, what is the argument about?
Speaker 7: And it's based in some type of lack of appreciation
Speaker 7: that they feel that they're that they're getting or uh Like,
Speaker 7: for me, my biggest lack of appreciation that I've always
Speaker 7: felt like it came from something to do with my parents.
Speaker 7: And I don't know how much of a part that
Speaker 7: played in my relationships at the time, but I'm sure
Speaker 7: it did because I was like looking for appreciation, and
Speaker 7: then as a man, I'm sure I was looking for
Speaker 7: some type of appreciation in my relationships that I may
Speaker 7: not have been receiving or may have been misperceiving, And like,
Speaker 7: if I just loved myself and appreciated myself and appreciate
Speaker 7: what I did for me and for for the reasons
Speaker 7: that I wanted. I wouldn't even need any of that appreciation.
Speaker 7: And so yeah, yeah, Ego, man, every time I.
Speaker 2: Talked to Ego, we end up in a therapy session.
Speaker 2: Every time. Whether it's you me, both of us be
Speaker 2: in therapy.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 17: And by the way, if you have not, if it's
Speaker 17: not going to therapy, go, I don't care if you
Speaker 17: If you're want of the people who said I on
Speaker 17: need therapy, you the main one.
Speaker 2: All right, this is our last topic. Abolish these post tastes. Okay, first,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the New York freaking Times. Can we
Speaker 2: need a case for overthrowing The New York Times. The
Speaker 2: New York Times literally did an article, an opinion piece
Speaker 2: called the Case for Overthrowing Maduro and shout out to
Speaker 2: Current Affairs magazine journalists Nathan J. Robinson, who basically who
Speaker 2: literally offered to folks, if you send us proof of
Speaker 2: cancelation of your New York Times subscription, we will give
Speaker 2: you a free year long digital description to Current Affairs magazine,
Speaker 2: which I appreciate. But he also wrote a really great
Speaker 2: article in Current Affairs about how deeply disturbing and how
Speaker 2: there should be accountability for journalists who are doing this,
Speaker 2: who are using their platforms to support this type of
Speaker 2: infraction by the United States, and who.
Speaker 7: Are doing so on behalf of the United States and
Speaker 7: likely receiving money to do so in not divulging it.
Speaker 2: Yes, and they're doing it in the New York Times,
Speaker 2: which is supposed to be the uh what's it called
Speaker 2: the magazine the newspaper of record, right, Like they've named
Speaker 2: it as like we are that girl, and it's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if you're going to be that girl, then you need
Speaker 2: to be on point. And we know for a fact
Speaker 2: that they are absolutely not check out. This is Current
Speaker 2: Affairs magazine. They have the physical magazine, but then they
Speaker 2: also have the digital magazine and you can go on
Speaker 2: and when we always we're always talking about how.
Speaker 7: We need to dope cover. Isn't it dope cover?
Speaker 2: All their covers are dope. And you know the reality
Speaker 2: is that if we want to really get independent journalism,
Speaker 2: we have to support independent journalism. Okay, Like that's that's
Speaker 2: how it works.
Speaker 7: I just want you to say, that's like, y'all don't
Speaker 7: even understand like how important that statement is is, guys,
Speaker 7: because there's so many there's so much news, so much
Speaker 7: an analysis that we are losing that we don't get
Speaker 7: because people don't support what they claim they want. But
Speaker 7: like I see y'all paying every month for New York Times.
Speaker 7: I see y'all donating a rolling fucking morton every month.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, Like, I see y'all to
Speaker 7: support people like many Hassan who doesn't even need it
Speaker 7: because he's getting he has backers, and then somebody asks
Speaker 7: him a five dollars y'all, like whoa, whoa, Like that's
Speaker 7: not how it works. You gotta be the change that
Speaker 7: you seek and some and to be the change that
Speaker 7: you see. Sometimes y'all's been a little bit of change.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying, this is how is.
Speaker 2: A little bit of change? Like that's the other thing too,
Speaker 2: you know. I will say, like I am really appreciative
Speaker 2: of my Patreon folks, because I charge five dollars. There's
Speaker 2: there's tiers, but you get everything at five dollars and
Speaker 2: you can just donate more if you want to donate more.
Speaker 2: We are gonna do a tier for when I make
Speaker 2: what would the ancestors say, the last one available that
Speaker 2: will only be available for that tier. But nonetheless, you're
Speaker 2: still able to get the community right, You're still able
Speaker 2: to get the information exchange which so many people are missing.
Speaker 2: And you know, like you said, if we don't support
Speaker 2: each other, and we don't. And that's also why I
Speaker 2: love having folks like you on the show, is because
Speaker 2: we all we have to support each other, like we
Speaker 2: have to be sharing our audiences right, Our audiences need
Speaker 2: to feel like, oh, I can go over there and
Speaker 2: trust them. I can go over there and trust them.
Speaker 2: I can go over there and trust them and know
Speaker 2: that this is a network of trust.
Speaker 7: Yes, that is extremely important because if you because if
Speaker 7: you don't create that community within your group of independent journalists,
Speaker 7: they will fall to the wayside and end up somewhere
Speaker 7: they are not supposed to be, and they will end
Speaker 7: up believing in people that they shouldn't believe. I mean,
Speaker 7: our witnesses happened in twenty sixteen with TYT because there
Speaker 7: wasn't a huge network of independent journalists at the time,
Speaker 7: and so they were trying to bully all independent journalists
Speaker 7: supporting Hillary. When I'm like I can't support somebody called
Speaker 7: me a superpredator, like I mean the Libya stuff, everything
Speaker 7: else too, but like she called me a super predator,
Speaker 7: and you're like ignoring and if we have I have
Speaker 7: now who knows.
Speaker 2: It's it's nuts, Okay. I want to rush through these
Speaker 2: because I want your thoughts. As a super predator. I
Speaker 2: think we also need to abolish United Nations.
Speaker 7: I agree.
Speaker 2: Let's have Jeremy Hayes Jeremy sk Hill from drop site
Speaker 2: News another space that you can trust. Listen and listen
Speaker 2: to him talking about what happened at the United.
Speaker 18: Nations ordinary that the United Nations did this, and it's
Speaker 18: also shameful. I think just on a moral level, Russia
Speaker 18: and China had a had the ability to veto this.
Speaker 18: The United States has systematically vetoed every resolution that would
Speaker 18: have endorsed a real ceasefire in this Gaza war, and
Speaker 18: Russia and China set this out. So you have this
Speaker 18: reality now where the Palestinian people across the political spectrum
Speaker 18: are facing a continuation of the war of annihilation through
Speaker 18: a UN resolution that endorses not the US government running
Speaker 18: a private occupation force, but Donald Trump, and it endorses
Speaker 18: it through twenty twenty seven and Donald Trump is the
Speaker 18: chair of the so called Board of Peace. It's an
Speaker 18: extraordinary moment. It's a vicious diplomatic move that was endorsed
Speaker 18: by the United Nations.
Speaker 7: The Board of Peace, the Board of Peace, from the
Speaker 7: man who created the Department of War. First of all,
Speaker 7: that's ironic and of itself. But for China and Russia
Speaker 7: to sit this one, I was extremely disappointed because for Russia,
Speaker 7: you know, who's causing the majority of the problems for
Speaker 7: the countries that you're assisting in region, like even outside
Speaker 7: of Palestine, like it's Israel. You know, the United States
Speaker 7: is causing these problems too. For China to use the
Speaker 7: rhetoric they've used very strong rhetoric, condemning the genocide in Palestine,
Speaker 7: condemning Israel, and like, when you have the opportunity to
Speaker 7: actually show, like to put your money where your mouth is,
Speaker 7: you're like, well, I'm just gonna chill though, I'm gonna
Speaker 7: sit this one out.
Speaker 2: It's because, I mean, why do you think they did
Speaker 2: that though, Because there's always a reason.
Speaker 7: It's money. It's that they don't want to it's money.
Speaker 7: In the case of Russia, they have so many Zionus, Russians,
Speaker 7: the billionaires, like people that can actually make or break
Speaker 7: their economy that oftentimes Russia just sits out. They do
Speaker 7: what they can to help military like Putin. From a
Speaker 7: military perspective, he engages where he can, like in Syria
Speaker 7: and Iraq, even in countries in Africa, like where Israel
Speaker 7: is using covert ops to try influence outcomes, he sends
Speaker 7: Russians there. But like when it comes to national institutions,
Speaker 7: in situations where he can actually make a difference with
Speaker 7: a vote, like with the UN for example, he sits
Speaker 7: out because he knows that the zion Is billionaires in
Speaker 7: Russia will make life hell for him, and instead of
Speaker 7: calling them out, he just kind of like sits back
Speaker 7: and allowed it to happen. It's it's very disappointing. And
Speaker 7: I by the way, and you can feel you can
Speaker 7: support what Russia's done and appreciate what they've done for
Speaker 7: a lot of these countries in China as well, for
Speaker 7: a lot of these countries who've been trying to fight
Speaker 7: the Western Empire in the Global South. However, it's also
Speaker 7: important to condemn them, to let people know like you're
Speaker 7: going to you're gonna lose credibility if you don't stand
Speaker 7: up when it comes to issues like these, because like
Speaker 7: if not now and not in that situation where you
Speaker 7: literally had veto power and it was only one of
Speaker 7: y'all who had to veto not not even both, just
Speaker 7: one one of y'all just need to show some balls
Speaker 7: and you didn't do it.
Speaker 2: That's that's important point that I need y'all to take
Speaker 2: away from this. The way the Security Council works is
Speaker 2: that it requires only one veto to prevent things moving forward.
Speaker 2: And the fact that they abstained versus vetoing is the
Speaker 2: real is what skate Hill is talking about is the
Speaker 2: real like nail nail in the coffin, stab in the front,
Speaker 2: you know, at two brute of it all and.
Speaker 7: And they're permanent members. They're not one of the rotating members,
Speaker 7: so it's not like they can be removed later for
Speaker 7: the decision that they made.
Speaker 2: So I just saw Palatine thirty six, which is the
Speaker 2: new film by director and Marie Jaseir that is coming
Speaker 2: out and it has some appearances by like folks like
Speaker 2: Liam Cunningham, the Onion Knight and Jeremy Irons and Ahmed
Speaker 2: elvid Is in there by the way, and it's a
Speaker 2: really incredible film that marks the the real the the
Speaker 2: British involvement in creating what is continuing to take place
Speaker 2: in Palestine right but through the Palestinian lens. And I
Speaker 2: got to be there for a talk a Q and
Speaker 2: a with her after and the woman who was interviewing
Speaker 2: her asked her, well, you know you don't have any
Speaker 2: Jewish voices in this film, you you you? I know,
Speaker 2: I know. I shifted in my seat almost like I
Speaker 2: literally I'm not even kidding you, Like, I know, it's
Speaker 2: Palestine thirty six some eye I can guess myself, okay.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my god. And she was like,
Speaker 2: so why did you make that choice? And the Palestinian
Speaker 2: director was like, well, because the film is really about
Speaker 2: Palestinians and also specifically about the way that the British
Speaker 2: pushed this forward. And so when people are talking about
Speaker 2: the American involvement in Pales sign I want to also
Speaker 2: point out that Tony Blair is also supposed to be
Speaker 2: on this board, the former PM of Britain is supposed
Speaker 2: to be on this board that is headed up by
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. So when we talk about how deeply connected
Speaker 2: these folks are, and like why it would be shocking
Speaker 2: that China or Russia would not vote. These are still
Speaker 2: all folks that feel like, well, we're of a special club. Yeah,
Speaker 2: unless we're gonna actually go to war, we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna not do too much.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 7: And let's be honest, Like Russia and China, as much
Speaker 7: as they are confident they could win a war against
Speaker 7: the United States, they don't want one. Like they could
Speaker 7: win one, but they don't want one because they actually
Speaker 7: value their people and a lot of the time they're
Speaker 7: not they're not even considering going to war with United
Speaker 7: Sate unless it is going to like it's going to
Speaker 7: be them versus the United States, not a proxy, like
Speaker 7: if it's going to be a full fledged war, And
Speaker 7: they don't want be baited because everybody, justifiably so, everybody's
Speaker 7: worried that if they, if any of them ever gots
Speaker 7: war with each other, is going nuclear and it's always
Speaker 7: that And they know the United States doesn't give a damn,
Speaker 7: so they have to and they have to make these
Speaker 7: calculating moves. But like, I'm just as much as like
Speaker 7: I don't want know, I don't want a nuclear war,
Speaker 7: but I don't. I can't be comfortable with anyone being
Speaker 7: okay with the genocide or not doing everything they can
Speaker 7: to prevent it, because at that point, what the hell
Speaker 7: is the point of the world survive? And if we're
Speaker 7: just going to live in a world where genocide is
Speaker 7: okay as long as it's dimed, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, before we go, before we go, this is my
Speaker 2: last one. I really want to see the Democrats abolished
Speaker 2: as well. Did you see this?
Speaker 7: Which one?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Well, what'd you about to watch?
Speaker 19: Is a video of the Virgin Islands Representative Stacey plask
Speaker 19: a Sista and a Democrat, being fed lines to ask
Speaker 19: by Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2: Newly released documents reviewed by The Washington Post appear to
Speaker 2: indicate that during a twenty nineteen hearing where Michael Cohen testified,
Speaker 2: Stacy Plaskett was in an email conversation with This was
Speaker 2: when Barack Obama was President of the United States, Jeffrey Epstein,
Speaker 2: who was communicating to her via email, and then she's responding,
Speaker 2: so literally, they lined up the emails, y'all, with the
Speaker 2: actual video of the hearing. So right now I'm doing
Speaker 2: this for my podcasters if you're listening, Stacey Blasket looks
Speaker 2: like she's chewing, and then they show under her video,
Speaker 2: they showed the email from Epstein that says, are you chewing?
Speaker 2: And she gonna reply.
Speaker 7: Back while we were one striving through struggling neighborhood in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Not anymore? And then we see her stop chewing.
Speaker 17: He's commented that only black people could live that way.
Speaker 7: Attorney client privileged. Yes, I will turn.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna let y'all watch this video. You literally
Speaker 2: can see the emails where he is telling her what
Speaker 2: is happening In response to what Cohen is saying Cohen
Speaker 2: Cohen refers to someone as Rona. Stacy emails Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 2: and says, who's Roona? And he replies back, That's Trump's assistant.
Speaker 2: But he doesn't reply back fast enough. So even before
Speaker 2: he replies back, she says, quick, I'm coming up next.
Speaker 12: I think it's on other individuals, Miss Rona. Who are
Speaker 12: those individuals? Are they with the Trump organization? Are there
Speaker 12: other people that we should be meeting with?
Speaker 16: So Alan Weisberg is the chief financial officer, Uh huh.
Speaker 4: You got it.
Speaker 12: Quickly give us as many names as you can because
Speaker 12: so we can get to them.
Speaker 2: Okay, now, Niko, I wanna also point this out the
Speaker 2: fact that she is able to lie like this is wow.
Speaker 2: To be caught like this is wow to be caught
Speaker 2: like this. I understand also that Epstein's island was in
Speaker 2: the Virgin Islands, of which she yes, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 7: I was going to say the same thing. People don't
Speaker 7: know that's where his island was, and she was getting
Speaker 7: money from him, and he was paying off the government,
Speaker 7: the Virgin Island government. Like that's how that he was
Speaker 7: able to get away with so much and not.
Speaker 2: Israel. Israel, Like, that's the thing we have to continuously
Speaker 2: bring it back to. He has been proven to be
Speaker 2: an agent for Israel. He was not operating simply as
Speaker 2: just you know, this fun loving guy. Like even when
Speaker 2: they say he's the most notorious pedophile, it's like, I
Speaker 2: think it's deeper than that. He's he's I don't even
Speaker 2: think he was even doing the pedophiling. I think he
Speaker 2: was literally just carrying.
Speaker 7: Out the op he I think he engaged in some
Speaker 7: of like the politicians that he was black building doing them,
Speaker 7: more like he was carrying out the op and probably
Speaker 7: was involved in it and to some degree, but like
Speaker 7: that wasn't his original intention. His intention was to do
Speaker 7: the work for Israel because he was an idiot. He
Speaker 7: would have never been a billionaire if he wasn't a
Speaker 7: useful op for Israel. Like that's why he was a billionaire.
Speaker 7: It wasn't because he was actually smart, was because he
Speaker 7: was a great investor. It was because he was innocuous
Speaker 7: at the time, because he wasn't a public figure, he
Speaker 7: wasn't a politician, he wasn't one of these billionaires that
Speaker 7: had made a bunch of money from the stock market,
Speaker 7: like Warren Buffett. So they took somebody who was a
Speaker 7: dumb ass and was like, hey, man, go blackmail everybody basically,
Speaker 7: and we're gonna put Glen Maxwell, whose dad was an
Speaker 7: agent of the massade. Robert Maxwell was Masad. I mean,
Speaker 7: the prime minister was at his fucking funeral, The ex
Speaker 7: Prime Minister of Israel was at his funeral, and he
Speaker 7: literally said the words, we can't even tell y'all how
Speaker 7: much Robert Maxwell has done for Israel. Like that was
Speaker 7: his daughter was Epstein's handler. Okay, guys, like he was
Speaker 7: an agent for Israel. Acosta. Everybody remember Acosta who gave
Speaker 7: him this hard deal and when he was asked while
Speaker 7: working for Trump's administration, why did you give him a
Speaker 7: sweetheart deal? Is there's above my great pay grade. He
Speaker 7: works for the intelligence community. So I mean, when you're
Speaker 7: looking when he's sending email to congress people in the
Speaker 7: middle of a hearing, it's hard not to believe that.
Speaker 2: And she's a Democrat, and I need to make this clear,
Speaker 2: she is a black woman Democrat. And when we continue
Speaker 2: to play identity politics and make make it stand over
Speaker 2: the reality of the way that corruption is existing within
Speaker 2: what we call politics, but what is supposed to be government,
Speaker 2: by the way, like we call it politics to like
Speaker 2: place it over there, but it's actually government. And we're
Speaker 2: going to talk with our next guest about the ways
Speaker 2: in which government is used to carry out colonization in
Speaker 2: a whole other way. But do you so, do you
Speaker 2: agree with me that we need to abolish the New
Speaker 2: York Times?
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, just a just a CIA cutout at
Speaker 7: this point, Yeah, the United Nations one hundred percent. Yeah,
Speaker 7: the Democrats, oh, probably more than any Yeah, yeah, Democrats
Speaker 7: are dangerous. And being a black man, being a leftist,
Speaker 7: I guess probably because of a radical like the Democrats
Speaker 7: are the most dangerous. They're the most dangerous to the leftist. Probably, Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean because my definition of radical is sensible, Like
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm sensitive, Yes, it is, the sensibility.
Speaker 7: Is you saider radical nowadays? That's why I'm like, I
Speaker 7: guess be consider radical. But yeah, no, the Democrats are
Speaker 7: the ultimate barrier to progress because the ones who seek progress,
Speaker 7: they're the first co operted by Democrats, right, So that's
Speaker 7: why I feel like they're the biggest barrier. So yeah,
Speaker 7: we definitely need to box them.
Speaker 2: Well, we're not going to bolish you. Nico House. We
Speaker 2: appreciate you and thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: Where can people get more Nico in their lives?
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Speaker 20: We are we are, yeah, yeas for having me.
Speaker 2: We are joined by Adam. I'm Paul Susanette, who I
Speaker 2: want you all to know cares a lot. All right, listen, y'all.
Speaker 2: Most folks are like, what's time? I need to be there,
Speaker 2: that's it. Adam was like, can I show photos? Can
Speaker 2: I show videos? I need them to get the information.
Speaker 2: And I really appreciate that. And Adam, I have all
Speaker 2: the photos. So I have all the photos. I have
Speaker 2: the video, I have the PDF, so I have whatever
Speaker 2: you want me to have for this conversation about for
Speaker 2: this conversation that is segregation by design. Segregation by design. Okay,
Speaker 2: So I found you on the interwebs. Ever so often
Speaker 2: the algorithm does something useful, and the algorithm decided to
Speaker 2: send you my way. And as a black person in
Speaker 2: this country, you know, I'm all, I can't say I'm
Speaker 2: ever shocked, but it never ceases to disgust me the
Speaker 2: myriad ways that have been used to continue that the
Speaker 2: operation of colonialism, of separation, of segregation, et cetera. But
Speaker 2: I hadn't I didn't know about highways.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, well it's exactly that.
Speaker 5: The highways video.
Speaker 11: Well, the video is a good introduction to sort of
Speaker 11: segregation by design my project. So we can show that.
Speaker 11: Let's say that in a second. Okay, but yeah, the highways.
Speaker 11: It's it's interesting because they really do represent as they
Speaker 11: were designed. They represent sort of a continuation of this
Speaker 11: project of writing white supremacy into law. It's you can see,
Speaker 11: you can see it sort of as a form of
Speaker 11: shifting shifting tactics, like after federal desegregation in the fifties,
Speaker 11: you know, with brown bag, brown b board of educt
Speaker 11: and then with the subsequent Civil Rights Act, a lot
Speaker 11: of the official barriers to or rather a lot of
Speaker 11: the official legal mechanisms that upheld segregation were invalidated federally.
Speaker 11: So then what comes along is the highways, which are
Speaker 11: able to then draw that color line that was technically invalidated,
Speaker 11: but they're able to draw that color line in physical
Speaker 11: space in a much bigger way than it was before,
Speaker 11: and in places where it wasn't already, like the chain.
Speaker 5: Tracks is a famous example.
Speaker 11: Right, So maybe let's show the video if that's okay,
Speaker 11: But unless you have a follow up question, it is
Speaker 11: seven minutes.
Speaker 5: I don't know how. Yeah, let's do it. I have time.
Speaker 11: It's a good introduction to to segregation by design. The project, Well,
Speaker 11: there's this one. This one's only a second. This one's
Speaker 11: only a few moments long, okay.
Speaker 2: With the other VideA. So this video was showing us.
Speaker 5: What well, yes, so exactly. So this is showing.
Speaker 11: A highway being constructed through Detroit, and what this is
Speaker 11: showing is one of the sort of original sins of
Speaker 11: highway construction. So normally what I like to do is
Speaker 11: when I present this project, basically I talk about some
Speaker 11: of the problems posed by the problems we face with
Speaker 11: freeways today, sort of the history of how we got here,
Speaker 11: and some solutions for what we can do about it.
Speaker 11: And this is both one of the problems and the history.
Speaker 11: One of the problems is that they were built through
Speaker 11: basically black and brown neighborhoods specifically, so they displaced all
Speaker 11: these people. You can see all these houses being destroyed,
Speaker 11: and then for the neighborhood, for the neighborhoods that remain
Speaker 11: divided by these highways. Now there's significant pollution, both in
Speaker 11: terms of exhaust from the from the from the cars
Speaker 11: and the entire particular matter break matter, and then noise pollution.
Speaker 5: And that's another one of those images.
Speaker 11: I said, But we don't have to get to bogged
Speaker 11: down by the images because they're not.
Speaker 5: I didn't send them in any particular order, which is
Speaker 5: my bad.
Speaker 2: So I don't have the video you're talking about. I
Speaker 2: thought this was the video, But where can I get it?
Speaker 2: Is it in the emails.
Speaker 5: Image I sent it? I think it's uh. I have
Speaker 5: the PDAs I sent it.
Speaker 2: And I have the I have where you said this
Speaker 2: animation this image would be good, and images from this
Speaker 2: page would be good to show. I have all of those.
Speaker 5: This is the one. Oh wait no, that's playing on
Speaker 5: my couter here.
Speaker 2: I can, I can?
Speaker 5: I can bring it up, basuickly, whoops, I just sent you.
Speaker 21: Here it is if yeah, okay, oh, but this is
Speaker 21: a link, not the actual video.
Speaker 2: Can I show the link? How do I do it?
Speaker 5: Correct? It's a YouTube link.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do that on here. I
Speaker 2: can like bring a video onto screen, but I don't
Speaker 2: know how to show like a YouTube video.
Speaker 11: You know, it's not a big deal. We can just
Speaker 11: we can just talk. It's it's basically it's it's an example.
Speaker 11: The video is an example of of where these highways
Speaker 11: we're used to displace and destroy a black community in
Speaker 11: Los Angeles, specifically sugar Hill. So for for a lot
Speaker 11: of these examples, and and the PDF, I sense that
Speaker 11: one has a bunch of pictures and we can bring
Speaker 11: that up at some point. But for a lot of
Speaker 11: the examples I mentioned, if folks want to check out
Speaker 11: my website Segregation by Design dot com, it basically breaks
Speaker 11: it down city by city. Uh, and what I'm that
Speaker 11: there's a there's Detroit.
Speaker 2: So we're just flowing. We're flowing right now.
Speaker 5: We're just doing it. We're just doing it. Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 11: So, uh, what I try to show is city by
Speaker 11: city how highways were used basically to divide between black
Speaker 11: and white communities in some cases and then also destroy
Speaker 11: black communities in other cases, how they were used to
Speaker 11: basically write white supremacy into the built environment of American
Speaker 11: cities and what the processes how that happened. And what
Speaker 11: this is showing is an example in Detroit. So you
Speaker 11: can see here Detroit basically before and after. In the project,
Speaker 11: I use a lot of aerial imagery basically to show
Speaker 11: what happened. So you can see in this example, I'll
Speaker 11: just talk through it, Paradise Valley.
Speaker 5: And black Bottom. You can see in the before image
Speaker 5: in those white labels, So.
Speaker 11: Before federal desegregation is and died again in with some
Speaker 11: with things like brown b board.
Speaker 5: So this is fifty for the fifties. Basically, segregation is legal.
Speaker 11: Cities are allowed to say black people can live here
Speaker 11: and white people can live here. It's by a variety
Speaker 11: of mechanisms, some which are official laws, some which are
Speaker 11: sort of real estate practices.
Speaker 5: Right, but.
Speaker 11: Yeah, so exactly redlining is an example of something that's
Speaker 11: a law. But then there's something like then there's other
Speaker 11: things like restrictive covenants, which.
Speaker 5: Are basically that so that's real estate. That's that's a
Speaker 5: sort of.
Speaker 11: Yeah, well h oo, a's are the descendant of restrictive covenants.
Speaker 2: Ah, okay, okay.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, So a restrictive covenant is a thing that's
Speaker 11: written into the deed of houses that says you can
Speaker 11: only sell to quote unquote people of the Caucasian race only.
Speaker 11: So that's that's an example of like a private Yeah,
Speaker 11: the Color of Law talks about this examt exactly. That's
Speaker 11: an example of sort of private mechanism by which they
Speaker 11: upheld segregation. And then there's redlining, which is sort of
Speaker 11: the government legal way of doing it. But the result
Speaker 11: of that is you get these black districts. You get
Speaker 11: these uh, and these are the these are the historic
Speaker 11: districts like Harlem that we talk about, you know. And
Speaker 11: in this case in Detroit, it's Black Black Bottom in
Speaker 11: Paradise Valley and it's basically this linear corridor arrayed along
Speaker 11: Hastings Street, which you see there. So this community is
Speaker 11: constrained by segregation. But even despite that, in this in
Speaker 11: this case of Hastings and in Paradise Valley and Black
Speaker 11: Bottom and so many other of these neighborhoods, despite the segregation,
Speaker 11: a really strong actually I mean a community, really strong
Speaker 11: community forms, but a strong economy forms too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because within your community exactly.
Speaker 11: And and you see these these corridors, in this case
Speaker 11: Hastings Street. And if you if you go back to
Speaker 11: some of those other pictures that was sort of Hastings
Speaker 11: with John Lee Hooker with the guitar, that was Hasting
Speaker 11: well that's that's yeah, that one, that's good one.
Speaker 2: The other one, the above picture, is the thriving Hastings
Speaker 2: with the record stores and the porter market, et cetera.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, exactly now and the bottom is what it
Speaker 11: is now exactly. And and what's interesting about the Hastings
Speaker 11: case is so and and these these two images, the
Speaker 11: before and the before images of this one and then
Speaker 11: the other one, these are actually both album covers. So
Speaker 11: it shows that yeah, this one. Uh so even at
Speaker 11: the time these were like there's a conception that this
Speaker 11: is like a special place. I mean, it's like one
Speaker 11: twenty fifth Street in.
Speaker 5: Harlem, you know, right, it's it's uh.
Speaker 11: It's it's yeah, exactly of commercial activity, but then also
Speaker 11: cultural production, you know. And and we get out of
Speaker 11: something like Hasting Street, you know, Joe's Records where where
Speaker 11: John Lee Hooker is standing in front of there. That's
Speaker 11: where Aretha Franklin records her first album. And her dad
Speaker 11: was also very famous reverend and Hey or Key records
Speaker 11: his first stuff at at Joe's Records here. And I
Speaker 11: actually got these images from so Joe Van Battle is
Speaker 11: the owner of Joe's Records here his daughter, uh Marcia Music.
Speaker 11: I got these photos from her, and she does an
Speaker 11: She has an excellent blog posts like more than a
Speaker 11: blog post, an excellent piece uh on her website, The
Speaker 11: Detroit Ist, all all about her dad's experiences. So it's
Speaker 11: and and you see they route the highway right down
Speaker 11: the middle of the of the of Hastings there, so.
Speaker 5: The highways Okay, so to set the stage.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's it's so you see this before image, the
Speaker 11: nineteen forty nine right, So there's the Black Corridor that
Speaker 11: is basically a raid along Hastings that is policed and
Speaker 11: confined by segregation. The rest of the city is largely white,
Speaker 11: it's largely working class. This starts to change after basically
Speaker 11: around the turn of the after the twenties, with the
Speaker 11: Great Migration, which I'm sure you're familiar with. But the
Speaker 11: Great Migration is a movement of six million black six
Speaker 11: million rural black Americans from the South basically to northern
Speaker 11: and western cities. The largest you know, the largest destinations
Speaker 11: are like New York and Angeles, Chicago, but Detroit's also
Speaker 11: a major one. And so this is happening. So Detroit
Speaker 11: is actually a really representative example, so you could I'm
Speaker 11: talking about Detroit here specifically, but this can this happened
Speaker 11: all over the place. So there are more and more
Speaker 11: black people coming into cities and coastal cities. There's more
Speaker 11: and more immigrants, so cities are becoming more, no more
Speaker 11: non white, and this to some extent, kicks off white
Speaker 11: flight unfortunately. Basically, as the non white populations are rising
Speaker 11: in downtown areas and because that's where a lot of
Speaker 11: these people are moving, because that's where a chip housing
Speaker 11: is and then b.
Speaker 5: That's where jobs are.
Speaker 11: So as the racial makeup of the inner city with
Speaker 11: the inner city is changing, white people are basically moving
Speaker 11: out to the suburbs. And that's not because that's not
Speaker 11: because each and every one of them is necessarily a racist.
Speaker 11: That's because there's a lot of financial incentives set up
Speaker 11: for them to do that, redlining being one of them,
Speaker 11: basically saying that you can't get a mortgage in any
Speaker 11: neighborhood that black people live in, which gives an incentive
Speaker 11: for people who can move out to move out.
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know it was the reverse as well, Like,
Speaker 2: so they don't want white people living in black neighborhoods either.
Speaker 11: Oh, precisely, exactly. Yeah, So there's push and pull factors
Speaker 11: basically that cause. So, Okay, I guess what I'm trying
Speaker 11: to set the stage here for is white flight, right,
Speaker 11: because this kind of explains then why this area is destroyed.
Speaker 11: It's not just purely I mean, it is largely racial malice,
Speaker 11: but there's an economic logic behind it that I'm trying.
Speaker 5: To set up.
Speaker 11: But basically, mostly white cities become largely non white, and
Speaker 11: there's various things that incentivize white people to leave. There's
Speaker 11: sort of the push factor of the Great Migration, which
Speaker 11: is all these non white folks moving in, moving moving
Speaker 11: into downtowns, and then there's, especially after World War Two,
Speaker 11: there's the pull factor, which is.
Speaker 2: How they created Israel. It's the same, it's the same
Speaker 2: mechanic mechanism. We're going to push you out of Germany
Speaker 2: and Europe with recent with anti semitism and fascism, and
Speaker 2: then we're going to pull you into Israel with incentives.
Speaker 11: The history of that I'm not familiar with, but I
Speaker 11: think it's probably similar to how they.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm telling you, I mean this is a fact.
Speaker 5: This is like oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a fact. Like you're incentivized to go
Speaker 2: to Israel as a Jewish person because you are going
Speaker 2: to be given subsidiary subsidiaries. You're going to be given
Speaker 2: free healthcare, You're going to be given money for a home,
Speaker 2: money for school, et cetera, et cetera. And so there's
Speaker 2: the push and the pull in order to create an
Speaker 2: economic space that can be then utilized for whatever purpose
Speaker 2: or you know.
Speaker 11: Yeah, exactly, it's about like clearing out of people to
Speaker 11: then create a space for yes, precise, and we can
Speaker 11: and and uh we can get to uh push pulling
Speaker 11: Jewish folks to because I'm I'm Jewish, but I'm not
Speaker 11: I'm an atheist.
Speaker 5: I don't we don't practice.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care if you're atheists. I care
Speaker 2: if you're a Zionist.
Speaker 11: Oh, I'm absolutely an anti Zionist.
Speaker 5: Don't worry about that.
Speaker 2: I assumed because.
Speaker 5: You I have a joke that I said, I don't
Speaker 5: want to say it here.
Speaker 2: But yeah, this is the place we all are are
Speaker 2: literal quote is by any joke necessary?
Speaker 5: So say it's like people, it's like I No, I
Speaker 5: don't want to say. But regardless, regardless, Adam chicken out
Speaker 5: of the joke.
Speaker 11: I did chicken out of it. We can really get
Speaker 11: back to it later. But well, I just I do
Speaker 11: have a story about like birth right, we left. I
Speaker 11: went with a buddy and we left. But this isn't
Speaker 11: what well, so let me just tell you.
Speaker 2: We're gonna eventually get to that, because the question I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask you is how did you become a
Speaker 2: kind of person, and specifically a white person who cares
Speaker 2: about this, Like, we're gonna get to that because this
Speaker 2: type of work, it can't we can't just talk about
Speaker 2: this type of work in the silo of the work,
Speaker 2: because there's a certain type of person that pursues this
Speaker 2: knowledge right and then decides to expose this knowledge, And
Speaker 2: we need to as a society lift up those people,
Speaker 2: but also lift up the scenarios, the education, the community
Speaker 2: that creates those people. So it's not just gonna be
Speaker 2: so this interview is not just about your work. I
Speaker 2: want to know about why you choose to do this
Speaker 2: work as well, because I consider it to be really
Speaker 2: important and necessary. So they draw this, they decide to
Speaker 2: do the white flight, push the white flight, and you're
Speaker 2: telling you're saying that, So I guess one question before
Speaker 2: you go on is what is the government's goal in
Speaker 2: creating a nexus of white people in one suburban area
Speaker 2: and black people in one area beyond racism?
Speaker 5: Economic development growth?
Speaker 11: So white white flight, right, So black people were formally
Speaker 11: confined to this area, but then legal segregation gets broken
Speaker 11: down as all these people are coming. So and this
Speaker 11: is also in combination with white people leaving, right, So
Speaker 11: property owners downtown are not really happy about that. The
Speaker 11: you see downtown, I've labeled that there. Yes, Black Bottom
Speaker 11: and Paradise Value are right next to that, right next
Speaker 11: to downtown, and that proximity is important. And this is
Speaker 11: again it's that you know there's it's called the inner
Speaker 11: city for a reason. It's because these people were moving
Speaker 11: to a specific part of the city, which again is
Speaker 11: where the jobs in affordable housing was. And as and
Speaker 11: white people are leaving, the people, the people who own
Speaker 11: property in the commercial districts downtown are really really unhappy
Speaker 11: that now they're surrounded by this racialized inner city, and
Speaker 11: there were and because this is the basically the underpinning
Speaker 11: of redlining in the first place, which is the idea
Speaker 11: that people of different races living in close proximity reduces
Speaker 11: property values. And that really boils down to the fact
Speaker 11: that black people reduce property values. And this you can
Speaker 11: look at the writings of this guy Homer Homer Hoyt
Speaker 11: and Richard t. Eli from the University of Madison, Wisconsin,
Speaker 11: and they wrote a lot of the basically the academic
Speaker 11: underpinning of redlining, and the idea is that black people
Speaker 11: being proximity reduces property values. So now suddenly the commercial core,
Speaker 11: the oldest part of the city is surrounded by non
Speaker 11: white people. You know, in Detroit it's black people, and
Speaker 11: it's not just black people, but it is largely, but
Speaker 11: it's also Chinatown obviously in Los Angeles and many cities,
Speaker 11: and then in San Antonio it's Mexican Town, which is
Speaker 11: what it's called. It's it's not just black, but it is.
Speaker 11: It's they end up bearing the front of it. Just
Speaker 11: numbers wise and historic animosity obviously, but urban so as
Speaker 11: desegregation ends, then urban renewal and highway funds come along
Speaker 11: and they use that money to kill two birds with
Speaker 11: one stone. So and you can see that right here.
Speaker 11: What they're doing is they surround downtown in a highway loop.
Speaker 11: That protects it from these neighborhoods that have now become
Speaker 11: non white. Right, So it physically creates a division because
Speaker 11: divisions can protect that property value.
Speaker 5: Think before we add highways, the railroad checks.
Speaker 11: That's why it's the other side of the tracks, right
Speaker 11: or you know rivers like or flood zones. But these divisions,
Speaker 11: going back to that idea that proximity reduces property values.
Speaker 11: If there's a division, if there's a division, then it
Speaker 11: can uphold the property values.
Speaker 2: So yeah, they're over there, they're over there. See they're
Speaker 2: over there. So the highway, even though it's literally just
Speaker 2: a structure, it provides this like a wall so to speak, saying.
Speaker 11: Okay exactly and and and there's a great book I
Speaker 11: have it here. It's not it's kind of like not
Speaker 11: show up but dividing lines.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're not in a warehouse with graded ceilings.
Speaker 8: And you know this.
Speaker 5: Is actually this is actually my my local train station.
Speaker 5: It took this photo the other day. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you can see the train of the bank there.
Speaker 2: Nice. But you're in Europe.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm doing a PhD over here, casual.
Speaker 11: I'm from South Florida originally, but and I work based
Speaker 11: in New York, so we go back. I go back
Speaker 11: quite often. Greta ton Berg would be I'm happy with me.
Speaker 2: I just want to point out to you all that
Speaker 2: I am cosmopolitan and then traveled, which is how I
Speaker 2: knew that it was Europe once I saw the blue
Speaker 2: and yellow drain. All right, let's ring it back. So
Speaker 2: they build these walls of highway, and my question becomes,
Speaker 2: is this also utilized as like, oh, now the white
Speaker 2: flyers have like direct access.
Speaker 11: Into the city precisely right, So, and that's what I'm
Speaker 11: saying when I'm killed two birds with lunstone. So it
Speaker 11: divides and then also creates connections to the whites only suburbs,
Speaker 11: which you better believe have restrictive covenants, and as a
Speaker 11: private practice, by the way, that that stays on a
Speaker 11: lot longer than something like legal segregation, which is struck
Speaker 11: down in the courts.
Speaker 5: That's just that's why that distinction is a little important.
Speaker 11: But so, yeah, the highways they divide, they cut through,
Speaker 11: they protect downtown, and then they provide white folks with
Speaker 11: direct opportunity rather with direct access to the economic opportunities downtown.
Speaker 11: So it's it's some to some extent, you know, it
Speaker 11: doesn't work that well, right, because a lot of jobs
Speaker 11: still end up going to the suburbs, and then we
Speaker 11: end up with kind of hallowed out downtowns and and
Speaker 11: this is why we end up with spaces right like that,
Speaker 11: So it divides. That's one use, but then there's also
Speaker 11: times where it just is designed almost to take up space,
Speaker 11: like is designed to remove the population they didn't want
Speaker 11: and then replace that with, you know, again a connection
Speaker 11: to the suburbs, so.
Speaker 5: It just takes up space.
Speaker 2: Displacement.
Speaker 11: It's yeah, the displacement's intentional exactly because they those people
Speaker 11: being there reduced property values.
Speaker 5: And in some cases.
Speaker 11: They build public housing that's actually kind of rare, but
Speaker 11: they end up building far fewer units of public housing
Speaker 11: than us units they destroyed.
Speaker 5: And that's true everywhere.
Speaker 11: You know, this is that's definitely true in Detroit, it's
Speaker 11: true everywhere name of city, certainly.
Speaker 2: New York, right, And even when they build a public housing,
Speaker 2: they don't like protect it. They don't support it. They
Speaker 2: I mean, they create kind of dens of criminality that
Speaker 2: they can use to them bring people back into the
Speaker 2: prison industrial crisis by creating public housing that they don't
Speaker 2: provide resources to.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and precisely that exactly, and and and then also
Speaker 11: they will locate yes, very well said. And then they'll
Speaker 11: locate it in areas that are already largely black and
Speaker 11: already largely for And this this happens especially in like
Speaker 11: New York and Chicago. And this explains why you know,
Speaker 11: when you look some of these before and afters, they
Speaker 11: just destroy a neighborhood and then replace it with these
Speaker 11: tower blocks. And the result of that is that a
Speaker 11: what you do there is you replace a lot of
Speaker 11: owners with a lot of renters.
Speaker 2: Practically, they can't we can't skip over that.
Speaker 11: Well, that's a whole other element, because there's the there's
Speaker 11: the sort of good no.
Speaker 2: Gone, no it please you. You're the guest.
Speaker 5: Well sorry, I just feel like I'm next, right, I mean.
Speaker 2: It's we are here to be lectured by fair enough.
Speaker 11: Well, there's the mechanism by which these properties get taken
Speaker 11: right through eminent domain. That's the term, and eminent domain
Speaker 11: isn't inherently an evil thing. Sometimes we do need to
Speaker 11: build linear things, you know, linear rights of way, sewers,
Speaker 11: pipes and roads. Yes, sometimes, but eminent domain where you're
Speaker 11: taking where you're just using it to destroy a neighborhood
Speaker 11: because it's reducing property because of reducing property values because
Speaker 11: of some bracist pseudoscience. Yeah, that's no good. And by
Speaker 11: the way, there's an well, she actually just shut down
Speaker 11: the organization. Do you know a kavon Ward from where
Speaker 11: is my land? She still does one on one consultations.
Speaker 11: But Bruce's Beach, I'm all over the place here, Bruce's Beach.
Speaker 11: She was the she was basically the organizer behind that.
Speaker 11: So Bruce's Beach was an example of So I was
Speaker 11: the black neighborhood in downtown Santa Monica, the Belmar Triangle.
Speaker 5: And no, this is different. Sorry, this is in Manhattan Beach.
Speaker 11: It was a black neighborhood in Manhattan Beach, not in
Speaker 11: downtown Santa Fnica. She there was another there's the there's
Speaker 11: another case, silas white up in Santa Monica, black neighborhood
Speaker 11: in Manhattan Beach, property taken through eminent domain. Keavon Ward
Speaker 11: got it back to the family, the Bruce family.
Speaker 2: She sell it off anyway, which made me live it.
Speaker 11: But but that was their right, and I know, I
Speaker 11: know they sold at that time with full knowledge and
Speaker 11: no and not predatory because the first time was taken.
Speaker 2: No, I know, I know, I know. It's just the
Speaker 2: principle of like just get it back and like can
Speaker 2: we just.
Speaker 5: Oh, I totally I definitely agree with that, but like.
Speaker 11: There but like the point was it was theirs and
Speaker 11: they could do with it what they want. But you know,
Speaker 11: I totally get it. How these properties are taken. How
Speaker 11: do they build a highway through there? How do they
Speaker 11: build a highway through there? They take these properties through
Speaker 11: eminent domain?
Speaker 2: And can you just domain real quick?
Speaker 11: So eminent domain is the right of the government to
Speaker 11: take property for the public good and they have to
Speaker 11: offer just compensation. They do have to QUOTEO offer quote
Speaker 11: unquote just compensation. So yeah, but they so, but they
Speaker 11: get to decide what the public good is and they
Speaker 11: get to decide what just compensation is. Sorry that the
Speaker 11: Columbia you did. Indeed, yes, with Manhattanville. I will try
Speaker 11: not to get distracted by comments, but that's a.
Speaker 2: Listen, we're here for you. We we love all of
Speaker 2: your NeuroD going all over the place. We're all about it.
Speaker 2: That's our jazz. Very much. You are you are giving
Speaker 2: us intellectual jazz Detroit public domain bubble.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it, Thank you very much. Excellent.
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, so imminent domain is the right of the
Speaker 11: government to take property. You know, think for again, building
Speaker 11: like a sewer right, building, a train building, public transportation,
Speaker 11: and they have to offer just compensation. But the way
Speaker 11: that was actualized in practice for most of American history
Speaker 11: was very predatory, especially during this highway building era, where
Speaker 11: they would just send a letter to people with a
Speaker 11: low ball offer us. And basically these letters, and you
Speaker 11: can see these letters, they make it seem as if
Speaker 11: you have to take the offer, which of course you don't.
Speaker 11: You absolutely don't have to take the offer. But there's
Speaker 11: there's a case in in Roxbury and Boston where a
Speaker 11: reverend's mom she owned a three unit apartment building in
Speaker 11: rock in Nubia in a Nubian square, and she got
Speaker 11: sent eight thousand dollars for it.
Speaker 5: What right?
Speaker 2: And my dad also owned property in Roxbury, Boston and
Speaker 2: sold it. I don't know why, I know, I didn't
Speaker 2: see any of that money. But I'm just like, why
Speaker 2: are y'all just giving away like the the property.
Speaker 11: Well, they make it seem there's like a big red
Speaker 11: stamp on it, and it says like they condemned. They
Speaker 11: make Sometimes it's as condemned with the Robert Moses ones,
Speaker 11: not not with this one in Boston. The Robert Moses
Speaker 11: he's the one who used the condemned. And I haven't
Speaker 11: talked about Moses yet, but I'll get back to him.
Speaker 11: But they send these letters. They make it seem as
Speaker 11: if you have to take it, and when you do,
Speaker 11: that's it.
Speaker 5: It's gone.
Speaker 11: But that's that's the property owners, which is the minority
Speaker 11: most people in like Hastings, they were renters and it's
Speaker 11: just absentee landlords.
Speaker 5: So when the government comes along with.
Speaker 11: These checks, they say sure, yeah exactly, because they they
Speaker 11: view it as a way to cash out of the slums.
Speaker 5: Basically, ah mm yeah, so and and one.
Speaker 11: Thing I didn't now, one thing I didn't mention. And
Speaker 11: then sometimes they clear out these neighborhoods and then replace
Speaker 11: them with like office buildings. So sometimes it isn't yeah
Speaker 11: because this is right exactly. Sometimes, like in Miami, this
Speaker 11: is they cut down Second Avenue, which was the main
Speaker 11: commercial therefa there and it was in the middle of Overtown,
Speaker 11: but now Overtown is like on the left. And then
Speaker 11: they basically took part of it into downtown, built government
Speaker 11: facilities and stuff designed to basically attract people from the suburbs.
Speaker 5: Because the the.
Speaker 11: Building of the highways was also an effort. It was
Speaker 11: it was lobbied for by you know, chambers of commerce
Speaker 11: and mayors. You know, in the case of Hastings or
Speaker 11: of Detroit, it's Mayor Albert Cobo. He said, we can
Speaker 11: use the highway, he said, we can use the highways
Speaker 11: to stop the Negro invasion. He said, we can use
Speaker 11: public works to stop Negro invasion. Right, So they're not
Speaker 11: even shy about it, especially in the South, especially like
Speaker 11: in Mayor Hartsfield and Atlanta. I twenty will be a
Speaker 11: line between you know, black and between white and Negro Atlanta. Yeah,
Speaker 11: and again sometimes they clear out the stuff and it's
Speaker 11: to sort of take that land and redevelop redevelopment to
Speaker 11: try to keep downtown attractive as it's becoming more non
Speaker 11: white and as white people are being incentivized to leave.
Speaker 2: So there has been advocacy against this? Yes, can we
Speaker 2: can we talk about the advocacy that has been done
Speaker 2: against this and if there's been any success. I mean,
Speaker 2: just a side note, like I love when stuff like
Speaker 2: this shows up in like random TV shows. So like
Speaker 2: in the show Cooking with Chemistry, Like there's an entire
Speaker 2: b story with the black character who's her next door
Speaker 2: neighbor and who's her friend and is we'll not her
Speaker 2: next neighbor, but she's her friend, and she's like fighting
Speaker 2: for the black neighborhood to not be disrupted by a
Speaker 2: building of either the ten or the one O one
Speaker 2: or something. And they did an entire and it was
Speaker 2: based on true story and they did an entire goo ahead.
Speaker 11: Well, no, no, that's the that's the video that I
Speaker 11: was good. That's the video that I sent is about
Speaker 11: that neighborhood, sugar Hill exactly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're all right.
Speaker 2: So then talk about it because that was that's an
Speaker 2: example of advocacy. And I would love to just hear
Speaker 2: more because you made a point of saying, like there
Speaker 2: are pen people who have fought this, and we always
Speaker 2: have to make sure to acknowledge that or else you
Speaker 2: just become so disenchanted and to moralize thinking that the
Speaker 2: power is, you know, so overpowering.
Speaker 11: Oh yeah, well, And one of the reasons I do
Speaker 11: this whole project is basically to show that infrastructure is
Speaker 11: the result of decisions and choices that we made and
Speaker 11: not not even that long ago in some cases. So
Speaker 11: even though highways seem like they're natural and really like
Speaker 11: the layout of cities seems like it's natural and almost
Speaker 11: like a mountain or a river, these things weren't built
Speaker 11: that long ago, so we can totally change them. So
Speaker 11: a lot of what I talk about can seem kind
Speaker 11: of depressing, but it is also with the undertone or
Speaker 11: I'm trying to say that, like we can absolutely change
Speaker 11: these things because it's the built environment.
Speaker 5: We built it. So I'm an architect, as like, by
Speaker 5: great job.
Speaker 11: Yeah, this isn't my full time I mean, I'm doing
Speaker 11: this is my PhD project basically, and it's very much
Speaker 11: related to what I do for work, because I work
Speaker 11: on sort of reconnecting communities projects and that's sort of
Speaker 11: the solution.
Speaker 2: I mean. But there's something very clear in stating these
Speaker 2: are decisions, right, because then that leads us to decisions
Speaker 2: I'm made by people and so people can be influenced,
Speaker 2: which is what abgnacy ends up being about, right, like
Speaker 2: how to influence the people who are making decisions to
Speaker 2: make decisions that are for the people versus for profit.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, and the lessons in chemistry. Example. So that
Speaker 5: was the ten I.
Speaker 11: Think the Santa Monica Freeway. I mean, ultimately they weren't successful.
Speaker 11: That was the sixties. It was a very wealthy neighborhood,
Speaker 11: very wealthy black neighborhood in West Adams in Los Angeles.
Speaker 11: It's Hattie McDaniel lived there, who was the first black
Speaker 11: woman to win an Oscar.
Speaker 5: Ethel waters Louis Beaver's Who's a Broadway star.
Speaker 11: So it was very it was like a wealthy neighborhood.
Speaker 11: So and and what's illustrative about that about this point
Speaker 11: is it's it's not just that it was poor neighborhoods
Speaker 11: that were because because people could say like, oh, well, no,
Speaker 11: it's poor neighborhoods around downtown that that are reducing property valley.
Speaker 11: So it's like no, Sometimes these were straight up like
Speaker 11: rich neighborhoods, as is the case in sugar Hill, because
Speaker 11: sugar Hills like right off downtown or West Adams is
Speaker 11: Sugar Hills, like a smart sub part of West ANIMs
Speaker 11: right up downtown. So it's the same thing. It's it's
Speaker 11: who's there, even if they're wealthy. You know it DC
Speaker 11: like there was basically a plan to build it never
Speaker 11: got finished. But you know there's a there's a highway
Speaker 11: that goes under the mall and then kind of pops
Speaker 11: up that was supposed to be a full loop that
Speaker 11: would have like built a wall right next to Howard,
Speaker 11: cutting Howard off from the downtown area. Right as if
Speaker 11: Howard is lowering property values. That that got stopped because
Speaker 11: of successful advocacy. And it is often college towns that
Speaker 11: often are able to do that. But that's that's a
Speaker 11: different issue. Uh what was I saying, Oh, advocates.
Speaker 5: Yes, so they they weren't successful in that case because
Speaker 5: that was the sixties.
Speaker 11: There was nothing they could have done really right. But today,
Speaker 11: indeed there's there's move people recognize. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 11: the first person to say this or you know, I'm
Speaker 11: really just building off of sort of deck aids of
Speaker 11: people talking about this stuff. And then there's obviously the
Speaker 11: lived experience I've used sort of what I'm doing is
Speaker 11: communicating it through a like using the skills that I
Speaker 11: have as an architect and city planner to communicate it
Speaker 11: in a way that's accessible because this exists in books,
Speaker 11: but a lot of us don't read anymore, but that
Speaker 11: we should. But then, and one of the best books
Speaker 11: about this, for for New York folks you know, is
Speaker 11: The Power Broker, which is a fifteen. It's a biography
Speaker 11: of this guy, Robert Moses, who is the uh he
Speaker 11: sort of originated this in a lot of ways. He's
Speaker 11: the one who came up with this use of highways
Speaker 11: to clear out neighborhoods, basically, use of highways not just
Speaker 11: for transportation, but to remove neighborhoods viewed as undesirable. That
Speaker 11: goes back to him in New York. And a lot
Speaker 11: of what he did in New York gets emulated everywhere.
Speaker 11: So yeah, that's well, that's that's public housing.
Speaker 5: So the oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: This is he created this method and it got copy
Speaker 2: and pasted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so he yes.
Speaker 11: Basically the answer is yeah, he a lot of the
Speaker 11: highways he built in New York, so like the b
Speaker 11: QI and the Cross Bronx in particular, they actually they
Speaker 11: predate the interstate system, but.
Speaker 5: They become the model for the interstate.
Speaker 11: So the cross Bronx, the Cross Bronks in particular, cuts
Speaker 11: through the South Bronx and divides the north, the northern
Speaker 11: more white part from the southern Puerto Rican black part.
Speaker 11: And it also it reinforces that division and creates it
Speaker 11: in a lot of ways. So he's really the first
Speaker 11: to route highways, to use highways in such a way
Speaker 11: to achieve this dual purpose. And he's the one who
Speaker 11: lobbies for the creation of Yeah, and that's the demolition
Speaker 11: of San Juan Hill is an exact it is an
Speaker 11: exact example of like that's right up against that's right
Speaker 11: north of fifty ninth Street, right, So it's this Puerto
Speaker 11: Rican neighborhood that's viewed as potentially impacting the values of
Speaker 11: the Upper West Side and then down into Midtown. So
Speaker 11: level it especially, it's such valuable land because of where
Speaker 11: it is. Yeah, you know, So it's this there's these
Speaker 11: conflicting aims, right, It's like Downtown New York is always
Speaker 11: a little different, but like Downtown's are becoming devalued, but
Speaker 11: there's still this recognition of incredible potential because of the
Speaker 11: centrality so they're always demolishing stuff and rebuilding.
Speaker 2: You know, so how did how did how did you
Speaker 2: get this way? How did you become a high quada
Speaker 2: tee white? How did it happen?
Speaker 5: Oh? My god?
Speaker 11: Well, I didn't talk much about advocates because they are
Speaker 11: but we can, we can talk about them. But for
Speaker 11: you know, for me, there's a couple of things I did.
Speaker 11: That book, The Power Broker is fifteen hundred pages long.
Speaker 11: I to some extent got tired of telling people to
Speaker 11: read that book.
Speaker 5: It does in the first place, Oh, it's the whole
Speaker 5: history of New York unfortunately.
Speaker 2: But you're from Miami. I got to get to the
Speaker 2: bottom of how you became this person? Are your periods?
Speaker 11: Yeah, but the history of New York is the history
Speaker 11: of American urbanism. I know New York is special in
Speaker 11: a lot of ways because it is different. But everybody
Speaker 11: emulates New York always it. It's it's contradictory, right, New
Speaker 11: York is like the most European and San Francisco. But
Speaker 11: but you know, the every other city emulates what New
Speaker 11: York does infrastructurally and economically, they try, but infrastructurally specifically,
Speaker 11: so they Yeah, the history.
Speaker 2: Interested in city planning and infrastructure.
Speaker 5: You have to understand New York, yes period, Yeah, in
Speaker 5: the West.
Speaker 11: And no actually worldwide because uh, you know in in
Speaker 11: well absolutely like the the highway Mecha. I'm not as
Speaker 11: familiar with Chinese cities, but the limited access highway as
Speaker 11: we know it, which China has built quite a lot
Speaker 11: of has its origin. The urban limited access highway has
Speaker 11: its origin in Robert Moses, who is his New York
Speaker 11: and and he took up you know, he didn't invent
Speaker 11: the limit. When I say limited access highway, I'm talking
Speaker 11: about like the interstate. You know, it's cars only, it's
Speaker 11: it's there's no direct intersections with roads. That really goes back.
Speaker 11: That really goes back to the autobon in Germany, which
Speaker 11: is Nazis right, But uh, that is a little different
Speaker 11: because that didn't go into cities. It's I don't necessarily
Speaker 11: have a problem between with with highways between cities.
Speaker 5: Uh, it's when you it's when you disrupt.
Speaker 11: It's when you cut into the middle, right exactly, because
Speaker 11: you don't need to have automobile access to the middle
Speaker 11: of a city.
Speaker 2: That's what Well, why do you have a problem with this?
Speaker 2: Who are your parents, How are you raised? Why are
Speaker 2: you like this? Because this is real? Because people see
Speaker 2: this and they see how do I capitalize on this? Right?
Speaker 2: People see this through different Everyone sees these types of
Speaker 2: things through different lenses. And so, you know, part of
Speaker 2: my work in decolonizing is trying to understand the different
Speaker 2: ways that folks are shaped to see things through a
Speaker 2: lens of community versus a lens of how do I exploit?
Speaker 2: So why do you feel like you're somebody who sees
Speaker 2: lens who sees a lens of community? You've never been
Speaker 2: asked that question.
Speaker 11: But no, no, no, no, Well you know you're right,
Speaker 11: You're right. I really love cities.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 11: And yeah, I grew up in a So I'm from
Speaker 11: South Florida, So I think maybe I am being exploitedive,
Speaker 11: I just well, so I'll get to But I grew
Speaker 11: up in South Florida in a suburb, so like my
Speaker 11: you know, where recipients of like a lot of the
Speaker 11: white flight stuff that you know became my parents' parents moved.
Speaker 5: That they were white flight from the Bronx. Uh.
Speaker 11: And I just I grew up in a suburb, and
Speaker 11: I it's really I don't like it. I hate it's
Speaker 11: it's you know, it's I you can't go anywhere. It's
Speaker 11: it feels imprisoned and and and just land and there's
Speaker 11: and a like spiritually devoid, you know, and a.
Speaker 5: Versus. You know.
Speaker 11: When I went to college, I went to Berkeley, so
Speaker 11: I lived in a city for the first time, and
Speaker 11: it's just it's so fun. It's so And this is
Speaker 11: why I'm being like, I think it's like I just
Speaker 11: really like the life and culture of a city, and
Speaker 11: that that does require a certain and I think maybe
Speaker 11: I'm being an architectural determinist. It does require like a
Speaker 11: certain built environment, which is density and walkability and people
Speaker 11: sort of living close to each other a city.
Speaker 2: You know, not you identify racism because you like a city.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're trying to tell me right now?
Speaker 2: It's because how are you able to identify racism?
Speaker 5: How Well, it's more than just because well, it's more
Speaker 5: than just because I like this city. It's because anything
Speaker 5: that's like worth, anything that's culturally interesting or uh sort
Speaker 5: of exciting, is is in the.
Speaker 11: Comes from the community that is made possible by a city.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: No, I think that if if you just have everyone
Speaker 11: living in this spread out suburb. You don't you don't
Speaker 11: get any it's a very it's.
Speaker 5: You don't get much culture, you don't get much.
Speaker 2: Why did you go to birth Right and leave? You
Speaker 2: need to know this for yourself. Why did you leave
Speaker 2: birth Right?
Speaker 11: Well, it was very very poorly planned, and it was
Speaker 11: it was also whitewashing.
Speaker 5: The whole thing.
Speaker 11: Obviously I had to explain to people like what the
Speaker 11: what the green line was.
Speaker 5: But but no, I think putting it is like I
Speaker 5: just like the city is a little bit is a
Speaker 5: little bit reductionist.
Speaker 2: I know that's my point. I don't think it's just
Speaker 2: that you're putting it that way. But the reason why
Speaker 2: I keep coming back to this is because this kind
Speaker 2: of work has to have love beneath it, It has
Speaker 2: to have meaning beneath it, beyond simply just the science
Speaker 2: of it or else it's just being done by roche.
Speaker 2: And so what I'm trying to understand from you is
Speaker 2: what drives this beyond simply just the like of a city,
Speaker 2: Because the things that you've said in this interview, there's
Speaker 2: things that you've said in this interview that are very
Speaker 2: clear indicators that you have a moral ground around this.
Speaker 2: You have an ethical lens that you see this through.
Speaker 11: Well, the way that we live currently urbanistically, which is
Speaker 11: the way we all live. You know, even if you're
Speaker 11: in a rural area, the way that we live currently
Speaker 11: well is very extractive. Everything is about production, producing.
Speaker 5: Capital.
Speaker 11: Everything is just about and that's what all the suburbs
Speaker 11: that's like. So the suburbs, you know, there's a reason
Speaker 11: that that's what they pushed people to after World War
Speaker 11: Two because the war engine. I don't mean to get
Speaker 11: back to industory, but like the war engine had pulled
Speaker 11: America out of World War two, or sorry, I'd pulled
Speaker 11: America out of the Great Depression, and once the war ended,
Speaker 11: you know, we really needed to keep that engine going.
Speaker 11: And long story short, it wasn't very difficult for GM
Speaker 11: to retool from making jet engines and jeeps to making cars. Right,
Speaker 11: it wasn't hard for GE to switch from making jet
Speaker 11: engines to making big appliances that you need for your house.
Speaker 11: And then for developers it's a windfall and for car
Speaker 11: companies it's a windfall.
Speaker 5: This is like the.
Speaker 11: Way that we have set up our system, which is
Speaker 11: pushed people to live in this unnatural way because of racism,
Speaker 11: because it said, this is a restricted way to this
Speaker 11: is a restricted tract, and so your property values will
Speaker 11: be safe.
Speaker 2: Why do you have a problem with that?
Speaker 5: Why you know.
Speaker 2: It's not normal? White people don't typically have a problem
Speaker 2: with racism. I don't know if you know that, But
Speaker 2: that's like not normal. Like we don't live in a
Speaker 2: world where majority white people see racism and say that's
Speaker 2: my problem, or where they see it and say, I
Speaker 2: want to get to the bottom of that. I want
Speaker 2: to understand why they're doing that. They don't, and so
Speaker 2: the ones that do, I want to know that. I
Speaker 2: want to know the chemistry.
Speaker 5: Well, there's an obvious I mean, there's the moral imperative.
Speaker 2: But you say that as if you have not seen
Speaker 2: the world we're in. We're watching a genocide and people
Speaker 2: are fine with it. So the moral imperative is something
Speaker 2: that is like a seed within people that either gets
Speaker 2: fertilized or it gets withered. And so I'm curious with
Speaker 2: you how it has considered, how has continued to be fertilized.
Speaker 2: And then you went to Berkeley, which we know is
Speaker 2: you know it's not like you went to Liberty University. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, the architecture program.
Speaker 5: It's it's I in this realm.
Speaker 11: I feel like I can do something about it as
Speaker 11: an architect, as someone who is in the the built environment,
Speaker 11: because I think that the entire So the reason I'm
Speaker 11: like focus on on segregation by design is because the
Speaker 11: history of and not just history, but the present form
Speaker 11: of American cities unfortunately is driven by race.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 11: Is is the layout of our linear infrastructure and of
Speaker 11: our zoning. I mean our zoning code goes back to racism.
Speaker 11: So for me, like, it's, uh, it's like a rabbit
Speaker 11: hole tumbling down, Like why why is that highway there?
Speaker 5: Why does it curve there?
Speaker 11: Why does it it's because, oh, why does it go
Speaker 11: through that neighborhood and not that one?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 11: Why are there seven highways and Boyle Heights but none
Speaker 11: in but like one on the west side right the
Speaker 11: ten It's so, oh, and why do I care about racism?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Everybody's asking the question because you have yet to answer it.
Speaker 2: We're not really sure why you're not giving us the
Speaker 2: answer about why you care about racism. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if you know why you care about.
Speaker 5: Racism because it's wrong?
Speaker 2: Why do you think racism is wrong? Who taught you
Speaker 2: that that's a good question.
Speaker 11: I mean, I guess my parents, you know, we've seen.
Speaker 2: The opposite, right, Like, the environments that are shaping people
Speaker 2: who think this way have to be examined the same
Speaker 2: way that they have to be examined morally, the same
Speaker 2: way you're examining, you know, infrastructurally.
Speaker 5: So you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 11: Oh, absolutely, so I no, I think so yeah. And
Speaker 11: there's a great book. So thanks for I think I
Speaker 11: this is this is the therapy session. Thank you very much.
Speaker 11: But there's a great book by Heather McGee called The
Speaker 11: Some of Us. So the central metaphor of her book
Speaker 11: is basically public swimming pools. So yeah, yeah, so public
Speaker 11: swimming pools. They used to be very common. They used
Speaker 11: to be very common in American cities.
Speaker 5: Uh. And they were segregated.
Speaker 11: They were whites only, right, so, and and a lot
Speaker 11: of them they were like big beautiful artis that it's
Speaker 11: it's they were like WPA stuff, so art deco, beautiful architecturally,
Speaker 11: and again whites only. But then in the fifties, as
Speaker 11: as desegregation comes down from the courts, they say to
Speaker 11: these local facilities, to these municipal public swimming pools, you
Speaker 11: have to desegregate, and rather than doing that, a lot
Speaker 11: of a lot of cities just drained the pools and
Speaker 11: demolished them. They got rid of it.
Speaker 5: Buffalo, Saint Louis, Montgomery, Birmingham, the South, all of them.
Speaker 5: It's that they're got in Boston.
Speaker 11: And then after that you see the rise of backyard
Speaker 11: swimming pools, especially in places where it wasn't necessarily like
Speaker 11: the vernacular before. So what's interesting in that case is basically,
Speaker 11: in order to uphold white supremacy, we got rid of
Speaker 11: a public good.
Speaker 5: And we privatized it.
Speaker 11: We made it only for people who could afford a
Speaker 11: backyard swimming pool.
Speaker 5: And that is to some extent what we did.
Speaker 11: With the American city with with education.
Speaker 5: Obviously, with education, we're telling us.
Speaker 2: All things that we know except for the thing we
Speaker 2: don't know, which is why you care about this?
Speaker 5: We sure, well, I guess I don't need to be
Speaker 5: here there.
Speaker 2: But we didn't know about what you were talking about before.
Speaker 2: But you're here because I bring back.
Speaker 11: That's why it's interesting to me is because how that
Speaker 11: that zero sum is self defeating for everybody. I mean,
Speaker 11: I don't know, there's the moral imperative that I don't.
Speaker 5: That I can't explained.
Speaker 11: I think it's it's self evident if you see a
Speaker 11: wrong that you have the capacity to do something about,
Speaker 11: which I feel that I do as someone in the
Speaker 11: built environment, you do something about it. So I don't know,
Speaker 11: I can't explain that. But the zero sum if you
Speaker 11: want to put it in a nature in a like
Speaker 11: a why do I care? From a self interest point
Speaker 11: of view, there's that zero sum game. We destroyed the
Speaker 11: whole idea. I mean again, I love cities. We destroyed cities,
Speaker 11: but we destroyed the whole idea of the public. You know,
Speaker 11: everything that's public. The word public has become a dog
Speaker 11: whistle for but the word public has become a dog
Speaker 11: whistle for for for black you know, uh, where I'm
Speaker 11: from in South Florida, Like, uh, you say you're taking
Speaker 11: public transit, you say you're taking tri rail, and everyone's like,
Speaker 11: oh my god, you're gonna get stabbed, Like that's what
Speaker 11: people say.
Speaker 5: It's like, and that's that's racism obviously.
Speaker 11: But but it's this idea that of the public just
Speaker 11: being racialized, and that's you can't that's that's that's not
Speaker 11: that's a that's a decrepit society. That's that's uh, that's
Speaker 11: one where it's feudalism.
Speaker 5: You know, if you don't have a public it's it's
Speaker 5: when what the hell is that?
Speaker 11: So yeah, selfishly, I don't want to live in a
Speaker 11: society that's just divide and conquer by capitalists, which is
Speaker 11: what which is why they've taken up that. You know,
Speaker 11: they themselves are racist. But why racism is such a
Speaker 11: useful tool, Uh, Because because I guess, yeah, there's a
Speaker 11: lot of people there. I mean, for there's a lot
Speaker 11: of people who are just more self who are who
Speaker 11: think that the that they will get from their protected
Speaker 11: mortgage are are more than everything that's lost by dismantling society. Yeah,
Speaker 11: you know, so I care because I want to live
Speaker 11: in a society. And the logical endpoint of this is death,
Speaker 11: I don't know, is a poverty and nothing.
Speaker 2: So one of the reasons I refer to myself as
Speaker 2: an artistic intellectual is because I I've gone through the
Speaker 2: graduate school program like I've gone through you know, academia,
Speaker 2: and so much of academia does this thing where it
Speaker 2: sterilizes intellectualism by making it you know, even if it's
Speaker 2: not mathematic by trying to make it mathematic, right, like
Speaker 2: trying to castrate the personhood from it, the morality, the
Speaker 2: ethics from it, et cetera, and put it in these bubbles.
Speaker 2: But we always see that what ends up living longer
Speaker 2: than most studies are the ones that are actually grounded
Speaker 2: in something more than just like the boxed version of something.
Speaker 2: Even though PhD programs want to do this all the time, right,
Speaker 2: they want to like break you down and make it like, No,
Speaker 2: this can be for everybody, So it has to have
Speaker 2: a very generic It either has to have a hyper
Speaker 2: specific origineric point of view. And what I love about
Speaker 2: your work is that it marriages those two things in
Speaker 2: terms of the artistic intellectual, because it marriages the realities
Speaker 2: of the moral and the a moral and unethical with
Speaker 2: the actual scholarship around city planning. And a lot of
Speaker 2: people won't see that, right, They just see it as
Speaker 2: these are the blocks that we live on, and they
Speaker 2: were created and now we live here. But no, they
Speaker 2: were choices that were made, and even the scholarship around
Speaker 2: that and how it's discussed as a choice, because there
Speaker 2: are others who would do this same work and frame
Speaker 2: as innovation. You know, Ezra client is looking at the
Speaker 2: same thing and calling it abundance.
Speaker 11: Right, yeah, which is kind of willfully ignorant of sort
Speaker 11: of basic city planning principles because it's its issue is
Speaker 11: like we are building houses, We're not building the right houses.
Speaker 5: It's just so I saw this awful.
Speaker 11: It wasn't that there were some elements it was okay,
Speaker 11: but this article in the Times about like why we
Speaker 11: need sprawl and it.
Speaker 2: Was about this trash, so that doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 11: Well, so it was about and there's some great people
Speaker 11: who work there. I've I've written for them before.
Speaker 2: I've been profiled by them twice.
Speaker 11: There you go exactly, So it's like any yeah, but
Speaker 11: but lately yeah, no, I know that.
Speaker 2: And the route change and things, and you know, things
Speaker 2: happened like.
Speaker 5: And are women ruining the workplace?
Speaker 11: I was, I was flying and that was like the
Speaker 11: only article that had downloaded, and so I read way
Speaker 11: too much of that before I was like, what the
Speaker 11: it's like?
Speaker 2: It was it was, I mean, they just put out
Speaker 2: an article today, the case for overthrowing Maduro, Like oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 5: That's what is the phrase for that?
Speaker 11: Like yellow journalism that sounds racist actually, but like we're
Speaker 11: we're but.
Speaker 2: It's yellow because it's callo. I mean it's not, it's
Speaker 2: it's it's not CALO's not the word I'm looking for,
Speaker 2: but it's it's it lacks courage. I mean, it's being
Speaker 2: paid for. And I just pressed you. I wanted to
Speaker 2: press you because because I know you're gonna be off,
Speaker 2: come off of this and like have to go decompress
Speaker 2: and probably take a nap. But I wanted to press
Speaker 2: you because the work you're doing is the kind of
Speaker 2: work that people don't want done. And I know that
Speaker 2: you've already had to I'm sure argue why are you
Speaker 2: doing this work? And I'm sure there's been people who've
Speaker 2: been like, this is not really am I wrong?
Speaker 11: Uh yeah, no exactly. I mean there's always people that
Speaker 11: wonder why I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: They're like, you're a blue eyed, good looking white man,
Speaker 2: you have blonde hair, you can do whatever you want
Speaker 2: in your dentim shirt. Why are you caring about this?
Speaker 2: And there has to be it's like, I mean, for
Speaker 2: lack of a better reference, Lady McBee and Macbeth when
Speaker 2: she's trying to convince Macbeth to murder. The King says,
Speaker 2: through our courage to the sticking place, and we shall
Speaker 2: not be moved. And that is the type of energy
Speaker 2: that has to be had, like we can't we don't
Speaker 2: need allies, we need co conspirators. And that only happens
Speaker 2: when people are morally driven with the work they're doing.
Speaker 2: So when you say, like, I mean, I don't understand,
Speaker 2: like you're asking me about something that just is in
Speaker 2: my body, that's actually very like comforting to me to
Speaker 2: hear someone say that, Like I'm not like this because
Speaker 2: I was taught or because my society surroundings. You're like,
Speaker 2: I'm like this because I'm like this, Leave me alone, Amanda,
Speaker 2: I came on your show to talk about highways.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think it's natural to Oh is
Speaker 5: it just me?
Speaker 11: No, I was gonna say, I think it's natural to
Speaker 11: try to strive for a better world, the utopia and
Speaker 11: you have these.
Speaker 2: I was like, did she just hang up on me
Speaker 2: on her own show?
Speaker 11: I was like, is it just me? I was, And
Speaker 11: I was like, oh my gosh, I should have taken
Speaker 11: advantage of that better. I think everyone's just like, let's see,
Speaker 11: it's it's I think it's it's at least I think
Speaker 11: it's natural to try to strive for a better world.
Speaker 5: And and these are all problems. One of the reasons
Speaker 5: I talk about this in particularly, these are all such
Speaker 5: solvable problems. They're all there's and and they're so the
Speaker 5: solutions are so precedented.
Speaker 11: It's like, remove the highway and build a lot of
Speaker 11: affordable housing and actually make it and redefine what affordable is.
Speaker 11: So it move that bar down because it hasn't kept
Speaker 11: up with inflation, obviously, But that's if we do, if
Speaker 11: we do want to talk about solutions, That's that's one
Speaker 11: of the reasons I I I have some time. If
Speaker 11: we want to keep talking, I.
Speaker 2: Would love to hear. And I hope that this also
Speaker 2: extends to like indigenous communities because that's something we were
Speaker 2: talking about earlier. How Like on a global scale, we're
Speaker 2: seeing this exact effort being done through other methods, right,
Speaker 2: But the effort of like separation of displacement and using
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what this un that's what this Trump
Speaker 2: Plan and Gaza literally is. I mean, it's we're going
Speaker 2: to use development as a dog whistle for displacement.
Speaker 5: Development is a way to salt the earth.
Speaker 11: Development as a way to literally replace and make sure
Speaker 11: replace what's there and make sure that what's there can
Speaker 11: never come back. That's like if you look at you know,
Speaker 11: Greenwood in Tulsa, the Black Wall Street, if you look
Speaker 11: at it now it's mostly parking lot. They literally salted
Speaker 11: the earth. I mean they paved the earth. And and
Speaker 11: that's exactly what this Gaza plant is. Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 11: there's a great book about Los Angeles called City of Courts,
Speaker 11: about the the it's about basically the development of of
Speaker 11: La But there's a good book or a good part
Speaker 11: about the demolition of Bunker Hill.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 11: And he talks about how they clear out the street good,
Speaker 11: they clear out everything.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 11: And they even they remove public transit links and it's
Speaker 11: it's trying to they and they basically build a wall
Speaker 11: between La Plaza and Bunker Hill.
Speaker 5: So La Plaza is the sort of an Alvara street.
Speaker 11: So he's talking about like they're trying to remove any
Speaker 11: articulation between a non Anglo past between you know, passe
Speaker 11: Los Angeles by literally, ah, removing the street connections, assaulting
Speaker 11: the earth and getting rid of it. So absolutely, and
Speaker 11: this has been done another place. Yeah, city of courts.
Speaker 2: Because they always want to know what the book looks like.
Speaker 2: City is this is this the book?
Speaker 11: Yeah, and that's that's a picture of a Yeah, it's
Speaker 11: a it's a it's a jail, right.
Speaker 5: Uh, it's a federal jail, which is kind of unique.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna say, like, wait, a federal and dale.
Speaker 2: That's a bit contradictive, but okay.
Speaker 11: It's like a holding. It's because it's for the whole
Speaker 11: West Coast. It's one of those things.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 11: But the the reason he uses that photo is because
Speaker 11: he's talking about, you know, I talked about how they
Speaker 11: clear out these neighborhoods and replace it with stuff designed
Speaker 11: to attract white people back from the suburbs. Architecturally, that
Speaker 11: takes the form of killing the street. So you get
Speaker 11: rid of storefronts. You get rid of you get rid
Speaker 11: of like human scale stuff on the street, storefronts basically,
Speaker 11: and apartment and brownstones, brownstones, so anything that creates and
Speaker 11: allows for store for street life you get rid of.
Speaker 11: Because the street has become a sort of racialized thing
Speaker 11: post white flight. So if you can get rid of
Speaker 11: the street and replace it with again parking lots, or
Speaker 11: like a building that's just a big wall, that's what
Speaker 11: the city, that's what that is. Or a entrance to
Speaker 11: a parking garage that's golden because then then you've gotten
Speaker 11: rid of the connection to the street, and that's that's
Speaker 11: like in Minneapolis they have a lot of skyways, like
Speaker 11: overhead things that connect between buildings. New Or has this
Speaker 11: like and they connect between office buildings, so you you
Speaker 11: can drive into your parking garage and you never have
Speaker 11: to even go down to the street.
Speaker 5: So there's another reason.
Speaker 11: And this is why, like I think, maybe like it's
Speaker 11: my I care about it also because it's very bad design,
Speaker 11: and it's bad for like your brain, and it's bad
Speaker 11: for living. It's obviously bad for the environment. I haven't
Speaker 11: even mentioned that it's obviously very bad for the environment.
Speaker 11: This way that we have, We used racism to leverage
Speaker 11: and create this way of living that is wildly inefficient
Speaker 11: for anyone but developers and car companies.
Speaker 2: It's it's honestly because it's a cancerous mindset, right, like
Speaker 2: if we just keep expanding and developing and spanding, developing,
Speaker 2: like you know, there's no limit, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: there is a limit, and then you have someone liking
Speaker 2: on Musk who's like, well, my goal is to take
Speaker 2: this money and go to Mars and create a new
Speaker 2: world on Mars. It's like, we can't breathe. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: can't breathe on Mars. Are you going to build an atmosphere?
Speaker 2: Because that's the type of shit that they want to do,
Speaker 2: Like they want to go and build an atmosphere and
Speaker 2: privatize breathing. Like that's the type of stuff that these
Speaker 2: people are on.
Speaker 5: Like that's why. Yeah, I know, it's terrifying. It's like
Speaker 5: growing up, you know, I'm a boy.
Speaker 11: So like video games, you know, sci fi, like Halo whatever,
Speaker 11: it's just in the future. Also in that series, space
Speaker 11: travel is run I mean, the UN's not good, I
Speaker 11: know that, but it is public. But so like Space
Speaker 11: is run by like a public entity that's at least
Speaker 11: for good. And then in the other there's like Aliens,
Speaker 11: which that's all privatized and everything is like dark and dank,
Speaker 11: and unfortunately that's what we're getting, I guess.
Speaker 5: So fuck.
Speaker 2: I mean, have you ever watched the Expanse?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I didn't finish it. I got to where they
Speaker 11: opened the portal. It was really good. Though, should I
Speaker 11: finish it?
Speaker 2: You should? Yeah, you should had me in a choke
Speaker 2: hold for I luckily waited to watch it until it
Speaker 2: was finished, so I binged it for a good three weeks.
Speaker 2: I lost a lot of my life to the expianense,
Speaker 2: but it was worth every second.
Speaker 5: Nice. Yeah, I mean that's like, that'll start galactical.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, I'm about to do a rewatch.
Speaker 2: I'm literally about to do a rewatch about it. So
Speaker 2: I like to get because i feel like I have
Speaker 2: a new consciousness and I'm like, am I a Cylon?
Speaker 11: Maybe it gets a little off the rails, but in
Speaker 11: interesting ways.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get to season four. Once Silon started being
Speaker 2: like what you mean, I'm a Cylon? That's what you're saying.
Speaker 5: It's like, what's going on?
Speaker 11: And once once that guy starts his own religion, it's like, wait,
Speaker 11: weren't you a scientist?
Speaker 5: I don't understand.
Speaker 2: And then they and then they like do Adam and
Speaker 2: Eve all over again. But it's fine.
Speaker 11: It's fine. I'm watching a chair company right now. Everyone
Speaker 11: should watch that.
Speaker 5: It's sod.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, do I need to stick to that?
Speaker 5: Oh? I really? I loved Tim Robinson I adore him, didn't.
Speaker 2: Have any idea where we were going. But I also
Speaker 2: did that with severance and deeply regretted this because then
Speaker 2: Severn turned out to be amazing. So I was saying
Speaker 2: in episodes of The Chair Company, where you feel like.
Speaker 11: Oh definitely, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, I agree, I
Speaker 11: would say keep watching excited. But back to solutions, by
Speaker 11: the way, So yeah, we just we can take out
Speaker 11: these highways and unfortunately, you know the that's not going
Speaker 11: to bring back the community and in some cases taking
Speaker 11: out the highway could lead to gentrification.
Speaker 2: So right, because then it becomes well, now that we
Speaker 2: don't have these highways, we need the rich class to
Speaker 2: have easier access to the to the city, so we
Speaker 2: bring them back. Yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, and you think about where where the highways they're
Speaker 11: taking out are again, it's the ones like right around downtown.
Speaker 11: So that's super valid. Right now, there's a discussion. Yeah,
Speaker 11: so in various cities there's been a discussion. You know,
Speaker 11: highways were the Interstate in particular, so the Interstate was
Speaker 11: built starting in the sixties. A lot of the main
Speaker 11: major structures have sort of reached the end of their
Speaker 11: useful life. That's why we see collapses of bridges in
Speaker 11: like Minneapolis, and so they need there A lot of
Speaker 11: them are in like desperate need of repair. So some
Speaker 11: states are actually using the opportunity to make some progress.
Speaker 11: New York is doing New York's doing pretty good. Rochester,
Speaker 11: New York, took out a part of a highway that
Speaker 11: separated the black neighborhoods from downtown interesting and replaced it
Speaker 11: with affordable housing. So it's very recent. We'll see how
Speaker 11: it pans out, but it looks beautiful at least. Again,
Speaker 11: the issue is like affordable housing, what does that exactly mean?
Speaker 5: But it is subsidized housing. So it's the best we
Speaker 5: can do.
Speaker 11: I mean, I try to be realistic within within the
Speaker 11: current fond confines. But uh so that's that's there's like
Speaker 11: removal is one option. This was a very underused highway.
Speaker 11: But then there's capping. So that's sort of what they
Speaker 11: did in Boston where they took an elevated highway and
Speaker 11: put it underground. Uh yeah, with the big dig That's
Speaker 11: not always a great option because there are still a
Speaker 11: ton Yeah, because there's always there are still a ton
Speaker 11: of cars and there still can be.
Speaker 5: Pollution, like in the soil oh yeah, Oh well, yeah, there's.
Speaker 2: That water, the water table, all that stuff.
Speaker 11: And it's also if you're digging a tunnel in the
Speaker 11: middle of a city, it should be for it should
Speaker 11: be for a subway, probably not for a enough for
Speaker 11: a highway. Just in terms of efficiency. Uh, it's sauce
Speaker 11: with it.
Speaker 2: You know what, We'll do this for five hours.
Speaker 5: You have a graphic. I do have a graphic showing
Speaker 5: the exhaust.
Speaker 11: It's the It was one of the first I sent
Speaker 11: it to the noise pollution and asthma rates in the Bronx,
Speaker 11: but you see it in the South Bronx, which is
Speaker 11: totally surrounded by highways.
Speaker 5: Sorry, she's got the soulth Bronx, which is totally surrounded
Speaker 5: by highways.
Speaker 11: It has every census tract in the South Bronx is
Speaker 11: in the ninety ninth percentile for asthma rates.
Speaker 5: That's how I just want this keep going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because basically I realized that like if I just
Speaker 2: like move my cursor too fast and left, it just
Speaker 2: like kicks me out. And I don't know why it's
Speaker 2: doing that, and I don't know whose idea that was,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to have to write a very strong
Speaker 2: letter strongly worded email to stream Yard because that is
Speaker 2: not helpful. Let me see if I can find these
Speaker 2: asthma rates. While you're talking.
Speaker 5: Not a big deal of the camp, but.
Speaker 11: Capping advocates, there's you know, the people who live next
Speaker 11: to these highways obviously know that this there's negative effects,
Speaker 11: and then in a lot of cases, their parents were
Speaker 11: devastated by their neighborhoods being destroyed. So there's definitely a
Speaker 11: lot of advocate advocacy, is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: You know, in the Bronx we're working on.
Speaker 11: I've been in contact with the group there Loving the Bronx,
Speaker 11: who's led by Nilkam Martel, who we all want to
Speaker 11: run for city.
Speaker 5: Council or something but she doesn't want to.
Speaker 11: But she's basically single handedly pushed forward this project to
Speaker 11: cap over I ninety five the Cross Bronx Expressway, and
Speaker 11: it's it's gonna it's like a decade long project, but
Speaker 11: we're like five years into it, so it's moving. It's
Speaker 11: a massive project because it's like a seven mile long
Speaker 11: highway and.
Speaker 5: It's it's not any highway, it's I ninety five in
Speaker 5: New York.
Speaker 11: But it's moving forward, capping over it, going to build
Speaker 11: a bunch of parks, you know. The ideal would be
Speaker 11: to remove it and reconnect the neighborhood and then re
Speaker 11: route I ninety five around New York. But then suddenly
Speaker 11: that's sort of like a national project. So that's that's
Speaker 11: one of the things that's so tough about these highways
Speaker 11: in terms of fixing them, is that they have very
Speaker 11: much local impacts, but they are part of a regional
Speaker 11: network that when you shift something, you need to change
Speaker 11: it things elsewhere.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is also one of the
Speaker 2: things that is not considered in when we think about
Speaker 2: like socialist politicians being in position or socialist governance being
Speaker 2: in position, like this idea of rethinking how cities exist
Speaker 2: even and I don't I just don't think many of
Speaker 2: us think about the road Like I don't really feel
Speaker 2: like I have been doing enough thinking about the way
Speaker 2: that the roads and the highways are lined up. So
Speaker 2: can you just so the top one is noise pollution,
Speaker 2: in the bottom one is asthma prevalence.
Speaker 11: Exactly so that on the top one so and the
Speaker 11: top one you can see the noise pollution.
Speaker 5: And that map's right onto the highways where.
Speaker 11: Those purple where those big thick purple lines are, that's
Speaker 11: as loud as a jackhammer. So that's incredibly loud, and
Speaker 11: there's tens of thousands of people that live in that
Speaker 11: noise shit they have to just they just can't open
Speaker 11: their windows, you know, and when they do, there's soot
Speaker 11: and it's it's it's not just because it's not just
Speaker 11: CO two I mentioned, it's like crap from the tires
Speaker 11: and the brake pads. Yeah, and that's the Bronx. So
Speaker 11: that's like one of the densest places in the United States.
Speaker 11: So there's the noise pollution. So that one that cuts
Speaker 11: across all the way is the Cross Bronx and it
Speaker 11: connects to that bridge, those bridges on the other side.
Speaker 5: So a lot of that's just through traffic. That's a
Speaker 5: different point. But what we're trying to do is.
Speaker 2: Basically building up Cross Bronx.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but so what we're trying to do is basically
Speaker 11: build a cap over it. So sort of a big
Speaker 11: dig for the Bronx, but hopefully not as delayed.
Speaker 2: So build a cap to run the highway, to run
Speaker 2: the Cross Bronx underground, you know, the Crosspronx Lincoln Tunnel
Speaker 2: tie Vibe.
Speaker 11: Yeah, but the Cross Bronx basically is underground. It's just
Speaker 11: in a trench with no top.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because.
Speaker 11: We're just talking about building a top over the which
Speaker 11: is something that's really common here in the Netland. That's
Speaker 11: actually one of the reasons I'm here in the Netherlands.
Speaker 11: So this is I'm involved in this project through work
Speaker 11: the Cross Bronx and my PhD is is basically looking
Speaker 11: at the impact of capping on social and environmental metrics
Speaker 11: around the cap. So they've done it quite a lot here,
Speaker 11: so I'm looking to see did it work. Basically, did
Speaker 11: it reduce pollution, did it improve mobility?
Speaker 5: Did it did it gentrify. I'm trying to see yes
Speaker 5: or no.
Speaker 11: It's a bit different the context here, but a lot
Speaker 11: of the tools we can still use.
Speaker 5: Uh. And the answer is it's mixed. It depends how
Speaker 5: you do it. But that's what I'm That's what I'm
Speaker 5: trying to study and figure out.
Speaker 2: Is how far into the PhD are you two.
Speaker 5: And a half years?
Speaker 2: Oh you got tam.
Speaker 11: Uh, I should be done in about a year because
Speaker 11: I have a lot of pre exist. I have a
Speaker 11: lot of pre existing work, you know, and then we'll see.
Speaker 11: Maybe I'll stay here.
Speaker 5: I might. I'm probably gonna go back to New York,
Speaker 5: but we'll see, Uh here, what's up?
Speaker 2: Don't come back here?
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but I should.
Speaker 11: I feel like a phony talking about everything I'm talking
Speaker 11: about being over here.
Speaker 5: But that's.
Speaker 2: What we have learned, y'all, is that Adam is about authenticity.
Speaker 5: Well there there, but there is a lot we can
Speaker 5: learn from here.
Speaker 11: And I don't I don't mean like necessarily in terms
Speaker 11: of like Amsterdam, but just the city that I'm in now,
Speaker 11: Rotterdam was totally destroyed and world So first of all,
Speaker 11: incredibly diversity. It's only about fifty percent Dutch. The rest
Speaker 11: is yeah, the rest is immigrants, so it's mostly people
Speaker 11: from Dutch colonies, Dutch colonial legacy, so it's Indonesians, it's Serenames, Kurasaw,
Speaker 11: and then there's a lot of Turkish folks that's not
Speaker 11: a colony.
Speaker 5: But so it's incredibly diverse here.
Speaker 11: It's the biggest port in Europe, so it also has
Speaker 11: like a history of diversity like New York, you know,
Speaker 11: big port city. Rotterdam rules, but it was unfortunately destroyed
Speaker 11: in World War two and so totally flattened and then
Speaker 11: rebuilt with American money and rebuilt the Marshall Plan. Rotterdam
Speaker 11: got the most of any city in the Marshall Plan,
Speaker 11: and we designed it.
Speaker 5: You know, it wasn't totally on us. The Dutch.
Speaker 11: We're happy to do modernism too, but we we redesigned
Speaker 11: Rotterdam from the beautiful like Amsterdam like medieval city to
Speaker 11: a modernist American thing, you know. And and just like
Speaker 11: the American city before we destroyed it for highways and
Speaker 11: and and urban renewal, rich people and poor people lived
Speaker 11: close together, you know, immigrants and and natives lived close together.
Speaker 11: And that was the same in the United States, right,
Speaker 11: but we we destroyed it and and World War two
Speaker 11: destroys it here and and they try to institute a
Speaker 11: similar planning logic and they do, you know, zout becomes
Speaker 11: the south becomes the poor area, uh and and north
Speaker 11: and and and downtown becomes not residential at all. And
Speaker 11: they hate it, people, the Dutch, they hate it because
Speaker 11: they that's not how they live, you know, the the
Speaker 11: their urban planning, you know, they had to make there's
Speaker 11: this joke, the Dutch joke, like you know, God created
Speaker 11: the earth but the Dutch created the Netherlands because the
Speaker 11: Netherlands is mostly on reclaimed land, so they had to
Speaker 11: like drain a lot of land.
Speaker 5: But so they they have a very unique way of
Speaker 5: urban planning.
Speaker 11: It's very specific and tactical and like about about efficiency.
Speaker 11: So then the Americans come in with this ridiculous spread
Speaker 11: out way of living that is based on racism in
Speaker 11: our way back in where we live. Other countries adopted
Speaker 11: happily South South Africa, Belfast.
Speaker 5: In Northern Ireland.
Speaker 11: But the Dutch there there are plenty of racists. Don't worry.
Speaker 11: But they oh, yes, we.
Speaker 2: Know about smart smart.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Oh they're they're incredibly racist and they're they're they're big
Speaker 11: racist dufaces in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: But when it comes urban planning, that's important to them.
Speaker 11: So they in the seventies they had a moment of
Speaker 11: like urbanism that we're sort of having in American cities now,
Speaker 11: recognizing that you know, car culture is exclusive, is damaging.
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. So they had that in the seventies
Speaker 5: and they have since fixed Rotterdam. And Rotterdam is a
Speaker 5: city with bones just like America, because it was rebuilt
Speaker 5: in the image of America where we're going with this,
Speaker 5: But they fixed it.
Speaker 11: So we can learn a lot from Rotterdam. Amsterdam is beautiful,
Speaker 11: but it's medieval. We're not going to do that. But
Speaker 11: Rotterdam has big, old wide boulevards and highways. But now
Speaker 11: we have beautiful wide boulevards with bike lanes and trams.
Speaker 2: I see what you're saying about this. Okay, you're saying
Speaker 2: that you went to the place that is ahead of
Speaker 2: where we could be. Yeah, that's ahead of where we
Speaker 2: are as a model.
Speaker 5: For where we can become urban planning wise, you're checking out?
Speaker 2: Is it legit? I mean what? I think it's really
Speaker 2: important work because it also allows you to see, well,
Speaker 2: where are the ways it doesn't solve, and where is
Speaker 2: the way that it does, and how do we solve
Speaker 2: for the things that it doesn't solve? You know, which
Speaker 2: is you know, so much of America is anti intellectual,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't do that work. It just like bullies
Speaker 2: its way through things versus like well wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 2: somewhere else did it? And I know they're not American,
Speaker 2: but they may have good ideas.
Speaker 11: Yeah, no, there's it's that's American exceptionalism, right, it's we
Speaker 11: think where they And there's New York exceptionalism too, right,
Speaker 11: like we can't we can't learn from other places.
Speaker 5: Especially when it comes to like the subway.
Speaker 11: It's very frustrating, like there's we can't adopt best practices
Speaker 11: because you know, we're the subway. We of course we
Speaker 11: know how to do it. But yeah, no, I mean,
Speaker 11: and and you do see the shortcomings. Absolutely, taxes are
Speaker 11: really really really no I'm serious, Oh my god, And
Speaker 11: uh do you but.
Speaker 2: Do you but do you feel your taxes in your lifestyle?
Speaker 11: Yes, exactly, Yes, the trains work, the streets are clean, fair,
Speaker 11: but it's funny, yeah, basic things. I mean, I actually
Speaker 11: think that the Netherlands itself could learn a lot from
Speaker 11: Rotterdam because the rest of the Netherlands they say Rotterdam
Speaker 11: like how Americans say Detroit or Chicago, like yeah, it's racialized, yeah,
Speaker 11: oh absolutely, yeah yeah yeah, but but it's a beautiful
Speaker 11: place here.
Speaker 2: And well, let's let's answer a question before you go,
Speaker 2: because I see someone just throw one out. Sight Williams says, question,
Speaker 2: does the way the grid of the infrastructure affect the
Speaker 2: flow of energy in our communities and or frequencies that
Speaker 2: affect our way of life. I mean, it's like the
Speaker 2: function way of it all. Yeah, but you were seeing
Speaker 2: that it affects the environment, so yeah.
Speaker 5: Well the grid. I really do want to answer that question.
Speaker 5: I always do this.
Speaker 11: I just want to say, just to put a bow
Speaker 11: on the capping and the removal.
Speaker 5: Thing that is great.
Speaker 11: For making a better city, that is and making and
Speaker 11: it's better for the environment, it's not necessarily always the
Speaker 11: right thing for the community that we're trying to help
Speaker 11: because of this issue of gentrification.
Speaker 5: So it's just me.
Speaker 11: I consider myself like an urbanist, like I do want
Speaker 11: to improve cities, but we the way to do that
Speaker 11: isn't always just more big infrastructure projects. Basically, I'm trying
Speaker 11: to endorse community land trusts give some ownership back to
Speaker 11: the community. A community land trust is like it's a
Speaker 11: you know, a nonprofit corporation, uh, where the community basically
Speaker 11: just owns a bunch of land and gets to decide
Speaker 11: what they want to do with it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if it were if I mean
Speaker 2: it is essentially a socialist construct.
Speaker 5: Do I consider myself a democratic socialist? Yes? Is that
Speaker 5: is a CLT socialist? I don't know, because it's like ideal.
Speaker 2: It's within a capitalists yeah right, it's within yeah.
Speaker 11: Well, and I think as a democratic socialist, by the way,
Speaker 11: I think that cap You know, you can have a
Speaker 11: beautiful bubble of capitalism within the guardrails and the bubble
Speaker 11: within the guardrails of democratic socialism, and then you compete
Speaker 11: on things like, uh, quality of service.
Speaker 5: Sorry, I'm thinking about example, like in Europe.
Speaker 11: It's not perfect here, but like the state owns the rails, uh,
Speaker 11: and then the operators, So there's a government operator, but
Speaker 11: then there's some private operators that then have to compete
Speaker 11: based on service, not based on something like the rails,
Speaker 11: which any private operator. No one can build that because
Speaker 11: it's too big. Like an example would be in the US,
Speaker 11: like if the government owned the cell towers, which is
Speaker 11: too big for any small company to possibly build. Only
Speaker 11: AT and T and Verizon can build something like that,
Speaker 11: and because they own the towers, and because only they're
Speaker 11: big enough to do it, they can fuck you over.
Speaker 11: But so if somebody, like if there was a public
Speaker 11: agency that owned the towers, then you could rent it
Speaker 11: out to private operators who would then have to compete
Speaker 11: on Oh god, guess what service does that make sense?
Speaker 5: So I think it does, but.
Speaker 2: It's not true. Like at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it exists for now, but there all they need is
Speaker 2: incentive to which is what these capitalists are trying to do, right,
Speaker 2: is to remove the incentive of even having this type
Speaker 2: of bubble and just making it all privatized in general.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm warm a parent in my sentiments that
Speaker 2: wherever capitalism lives, there's always going to be the there's
Speaker 2: always going to be the possibility and the incentive for
Speaker 2: capitalism to grow, because that's all it does. I mean,
Speaker 2: it doesn't know how to stay in the bubble. It's
Speaker 2: counterintuitive to its existence. It's literally cancer. Like the mind
Speaker 2: state of capitalism is how do we grow without limit?
Speaker 2: So so for now, that's why I like the concept
Speaker 2: of democratic socialism is I believe democratic socialisms y'all are
Speaker 2: just folks who are just on the way to being socialists.
Speaker 2: You're just not there yet, but you're on the way.
Speaker 2: I'll see you soon.
Speaker 11: Well wait, okay, well now I think they we're just
Speaker 11: getting into semantics because.
Speaker 2: Democratic socialists are still they still hold a piece of
Speaker 2: capitalism in their eye, in their mind's eye.
Speaker 11: Well, Okay, So I guess I was saying that competition
Speaker 11: isn't inherently a bad thing in terms of providing services, and.
Speaker 2: I would say that wherever competition exists.
Speaker 11: Where in terms of the quality of services, know that
Speaker 11: the provision needs to be guaranteed. But there's there's like.
Speaker 2: Different versions of socialism that we've seen right where it's
Speaker 2: like there's portions of Richard Wolf did a really good
Speaker 2: podcast about this recently, where there's like portions of land
Speaker 2: ownership and service ownership that like you're talking about, where
Speaker 2: it's like the government owned some of it, but then
Speaker 2: there's privatization, et cetera, et cetera. But then it ends
Speaker 2: up at a certain point becoming who's gonna it? Always
Speaker 2: capitalism always requires there to be Okay, you're not letting
Speaker 2: us grow anymore. So that's what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying that at a certain point, they're like,
Speaker 2: we'll play along with this, but then if we get
Speaker 2: if the bubble gets too small, we're gonna figure out
Speaker 2: We're gonna try to figure out how to burst the bubble.
Speaker 2: So then I'm like, well, then how do we make
Speaker 2: it so that there is no bubble at all.
Speaker 11: Ye, fair enough, and let's not We can keep talking
Speaker 11: about that later. That's always a fun topic. But can
Speaker 11: can we bring the press the question back? Just because
Speaker 11: I did want to talk about the grid because it
Speaker 11: is kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: I lost the question, but the question was how does
Speaker 2: the grid affect like the the flow of energies of
Speaker 2: people in a city, Like I mean, it was kind
Speaker 2: of like a fengshueish kind of concept, right like.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, but the grid, I from a city planning
Speaker 11: perspective is American cities are really there, you go, are
Speaker 11: really grid e you know, we we love a grid,
Speaker 11: and I actually think that that's kind of cool.
Speaker 5: The grid.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it's very democratic, like small d democratic because unlike
Speaker 11: the European cities where there's like the center of authority,
Speaker 11: which is normally a church. Uh so there's the church
Speaker 11: and then everything kind of emanates around from that and
Speaker 11: it's kind of radial.
Speaker 5: The American city is all.
Speaker 11: About the grid, is all about the grid where there's
Speaker 11: no necessarily there's no point that's necessarily prized, and there's
Speaker 11: equal access to everything. So I like it grid, and
Speaker 11: that's why that's one of the things that's like tragic
Speaker 11: in the highways is that they just.
Speaker 5: Disrupt the city grid. They absolutely a limit.
Speaker 11: They get rid of that logic because the grid is
Speaker 11: all about like on the ground connectivity, not vehicular connectivity.
Speaker 5: So and the highways just up end that and they
Speaker 5: destroy it and.
Speaker 11: They inscribe an economic logic, which is, you know, prioritizing
Speaker 11: suburban access to the core. So the grid, I wish
Speaker 11: it would make it that. I wish it would make
Speaker 11: it comeback in places where it's been disrupted. And you know,
Speaker 11: gridlock is something that is a product of cars, not.
Speaker 2: People agreed, because like Grenada, which is a very small island,
Speaker 2: you see like more cars than there is like land.
Speaker 2: It's all that it starts to feel like that. Well
Speaker 2: then there are roads, right, So there's this gridlock for
Speaker 2: the sake of gridlock. Because the other part of this
Speaker 2: I can say this because I'm Caribbean, is that folks
Speaker 2: typically want cars so that they can get up and go,
Speaker 2: so they have control, so they can dominate, like when
Speaker 2: they arrive somewhere. But what's sitting people? We're not on time,
Speaker 2: So what is the point, y'all? What's the point of
Speaker 2: everybody having the car if y're not going to get
Speaker 2: there on time. Adam, thank you for not only being
Speaker 2: Adam was early, y'all. Adam was here for like a
Speaker 2: half hour before, so we've had two hours of Adam
Speaker 2: Paul SU's The next time.
Speaker 7: We done had a whole.
Speaker 2: Spiritual session about morals and ethics. We then talked about
Speaker 2: everywhere from Rotterdam to Detroit, which is a journey I
Speaker 2: did not know we were going to go on. But
Speaker 2: I can assure you that everyone here is leaving today
Speaker 2: with so much more than they came with, thanks to
Speaker 2: you sharing your knowledge and the work that you continue
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 5: So thank you, Adam, Thank you so much.
Speaker 11: You know, if you want to carry on the conversation,
Speaker 11: because there's some points that I I always do that
Speaker 11: you know.
Speaker 2: I was like I should have said, we'll definitely invite
Speaker 2: you back. So make a list, make a list of
Speaker 2: the points that you feel like you need to add.
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, yeah, next time, I'll be a little more.
Speaker 11: I'll send them in order. But if folks, can I
Speaker 11: do my can I do my plug?
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 5: Just so?
Speaker 11: Segregation by design dot com it's broken down by cities,
Speaker 11: and then unfortunately, Instagram is the place I'm the most
Speaker 11: active so at segregation Underscore by Underscore Design.
Speaker 22: Check it out segregation segregation under greg gaish.
Speaker 5: It's kind of funny.
Speaker 11: One of the terms for like the type of highway
Speaker 11: that the interstate is like limited access is a segregated highways.
Speaker 2: I mean they put it in the name.
Speaker 11: No, I know exactly when you think there's so many
Speaker 11: spatial terms that are like explicitly racialized, like inner city,
Speaker 11: other side of the tracks, I won't keep going.
Speaker 2: It's facts. And so once you start, when you started
Speaker 2: learning language of the United States, you're like, oh, all
Speaker 2: of this is racist.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 7: And I learned that.
Speaker 2: The ice cream Truck song is racist. I was like,
Speaker 2: I give a I'm out.
Speaker 5: And really racist.
Speaker 2: It's like that one super duper yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, enjoy your evening in Rotterdam, and thank you again
Speaker 2: for joining us.
Speaker 5: Thank you, there's so much fun.
Speaker 2: Wow, you guys, we learned so much. We learned so
Speaker 2: much we don't even have time for a critical thinking exercise.
Speaker 2: But we are going to get into some black news
Speaker 2: before we get out of here, because I really have
Speaker 2: some stories that I want to talk to you about.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you guys have been seeing
Speaker 2: these stories of the black women maternal mortality in your face.
Speaker 2: Like I think many of us know about these stories,
Speaker 2: but now you're getting to see like real video of
Speaker 2: black women just being completely ignored in the most vulnerable
Speaker 2: of times when they are in labor. And I feel
Speaker 2: really disturbed that folks feel so comfortable to behave this
Speaker 2: way Right now. This woman is a nurse, and while
Speaker 2: this woman is literally writhing in pain, she's like casually
Speaker 2: triaging her and acting as if this woman is not
Speaker 2: in labor.
Speaker 14: Here's another Baty's Wells, who tells us she felt she
Speaker 14: was stripped of her dignity and treated like an animals.
Speaker 14: She says, after spending six hours at Franciscan Health Crown
Speaker 14: Point Hospital, even when her contractions were a minute apart,
Speaker 14: she was still escorted out by security. Now, the mom
Speaker 14: of four says the nurse who saw her believed that
Speaker 14: she was not in labor, and in the six hours
Speaker 14: of being in labor, she says she never saw an
Speaker 14: actual doctor.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 14: She says the nurse told her to go home. Her husband,
Speaker 14: Leon Wells, who was with her at the time, asked
Speaker 14: for a wheelchair, and they were both escorted out.
Speaker 2: Just eight minutes later.
Speaker 3: Mister Wells says.
Speaker 14: He saw his daughters had come out while he was driving,
Speaker 14: pulled over the car and delivered the baby himself. And
Speaker 14: I will add that mister Wells says he does not
Speaker 14: have any kind of medical experience, and they both say
Speaker 14: they believe they were mistreated because of the race, and
Speaker 14: the lives of mom and baby were put at risk.
Speaker 1: I was in excruciating pain. She's seen me in pain
Speaker 1: and agony, and I guess she still perceived me to
Speaker 1: not be in labor because upon returning to the room,
Speaker 1: she's like, well, if you're not further along in your centimeters,
Speaker 1: then you know, we gotta sing you home. So I said,
Speaker 1: I know I can't go home. I can't have this
Speaker 1: baby at home.
Speaker 5: Holy God's grace. I was scared. I ain't know what
Speaker 5: to do.
Speaker 2: I don't have any medical license anything to deliver a baby.
Speaker 6: I was just scared and know what to do.
Speaker 15: Now.
Speaker 14: Franciscan Health Crown Point responding morning in part with a
Speaker 14: statement saying, the video and the comments that has generated
Speaker 14: are deeply troubling and we understand the concern this has raised.
Speaker 14: The video is just one part of the information we
Speaker 14: are reviewing as part of a thorough investigation into this
Speaker 14: alleged incident. Now we're told that baby Elena, who was
Speaker 14: just born, is doing well.
Speaker 2: Very healthy.
Speaker 14: But I did ask the family what does accountability look
Speaker 14: like in this case, and they said they want a
Speaker 14: meeting with hospital administrators. They want the nurse who saw
Speaker 14: wells fired, and they want protocol put in place so
Speaker 14: that anyone who comes there and is in labor does
Speaker 14: see an actual doctor. They tell me they have not
Speaker 14: heard from hospital administrators yet.
Speaker 2: Back to you, guys, So this is violence, Like, this
Speaker 2: is not just oh, I'm neglectful in my job. This
Speaker 2: is actual violence and negligence. And this should not just
Speaker 2: be losing someone's job. This should be losing your license.
Speaker 2: The literal point of being a nurse is that you
Speaker 2: are providing care. The literal point of a hospital is
Speaker 2: that you're providing care, especially if these women are showing
Speaker 2: up here with the paperwork and all the things, you know,
Speaker 2: filled out, because to my understanding, she the last video
Speaker 2: had actually pre filled out the in charge papers and
Speaker 2: still was put through this triage process for the concept
Speaker 2: of So sorry, that's not what I meant to say,
Speaker 2: when it comes to doulas and midwif free. We also
Speaker 2: need to understand though, that that's also not all created
Speaker 2: equal either, Okay, because I've had many people talk about
Speaker 2: midwives who have come through and wasted their time as well.
Speaker 2: There has to be and this is why I was
Speaker 2: pushing Adam on this, there has to be moral and
Speaker 2: ethical underpinnings to how you are existing in your practice.
Speaker 2: Let me say that again, there has to be moral
Speaker 2: and ethical unders to how you are existing in your practice.
Speaker 2: Anything other than that ends up simply just being an
Speaker 2: effort at survival or an ef at capitalizing, and both
Speaker 2: of those two things are incredibly vulnerable. They're incredibly vulnerable
Speaker 2: to being influenced by bad actors. So you can't just
Speaker 2: get somebody because they are outside of the system. You
Speaker 2: need to understand why they're outside of the system. You
Speaker 2: need to understand what they think about you. As an actual,
Speaker 2: functioning human with a visceral biological system, we have to
Speaker 2: exist in this mind state in every facet of our lives,
Speaker 2: which is very tiresome for some people because we're not
Speaker 2: challenged to exist like this. But I want to do that.
Speaker 2: I want to encourage you to do that, all of you,
Speaker 2: Amanda Landers, anyone who's watching this, our replay crew, who's listening,
Speaker 2: our podcast crew. And when you are looking at people
Speaker 2: who are going to help you bring life into this world,
Speaker 2: doulas and midwives, your physicians, et cetera, it's you can't
Speaker 2: simply ask them about protocols. And that's a very US,
Speaker 2: a very American, a very Western way of addressing things.
Speaker 2: We think that if I've asked you about what time
Speaker 2: things are going to happen, and about the organized way
Speaker 2: things are going to happen, the logistics, we think that
Speaker 2: if we've done that, then we've done everything we needed
Speaker 2: to do. When it comes to matters of your body,
Speaker 2: matters of your home, matters of your children or your elderly,
Speaker 2: et cetera, there has to be other con There has
Speaker 2: to be a whole other level of questions that are asked.
Speaker 2: And yes, Spicy Pickle, they're experiencing this in rural communities
Speaker 2: because they've taken the hospitals out of rural communities. They've
Speaker 2: taken all the hospitals and healthcare out of rural communities.
Speaker 2: So now you have folks that are being you know,
Speaker 2: midwives and dulahs in rural communities, but they also need
Speaker 2: to be trained like in the actual work, but they
Speaker 2: also need to be trained in the spirit. You're bringing
Speaker 2: a life into the world. You're bringing a life into
Speaker 2: the world, and we have to talk to people about
Speaker 2: how they view the world to really understand where they're
Speaker 2: coming at, where they're coming at us from Listen to
Speaker 2: this great video from Bandana Shiva, who's a physicist, author
Speaker 2: and eco feminist, and she lays it out plain and simple.
Speaker 23: Scene age where humanity has been such a destructive force
Speaker 23: on the planet. Its climate is decided by our actions,
Speaker 23: and the species is decided by action. The state of
Speaker 23: water is decided by our action, the fertility of sorts
Speaker 23: is decided by action. We can carry on there and
Speaker 23: then we don't exist, or we can change it to
Speaker 23: the creative anthroposcene energized by a feminine energy, the energy
Speaker 23: of non western spiritual civilizations, the energy of indigenous people,
Speaker 23: the energy of the earth herself and her diversity. To
Speaker 23: basically recognize that we are one interval then life and
Speaker 23: we can continue to have a future if we just
Speaker 23: recognize that one simple fact that we are not owners, conquerors, dominators,
Speaker 23: of the earth, but part of the earth.
Speaker 2: We are not owners, conquerors, or dominators of the earth.
Speaker 2: We are part of the earth. When you start thinking
Speaker 2: like that, you change how you exist. And it is
Speaker 2: hard work to do because we are not, particularly in
Speaker 2: the United States, we are not grown up in that
Speaker 2: mind state within our surroundings. You know, some maybe in
Speaker 2: their immediate surroundings, but the actual infrastructure that we exist
Speaker 2: in as it is, it isn't.
Speaker 5: So.
Speaker 2: To those women and to all of you all who
Speaker 2: have experienced birth trauma, I really hate that for you,
Speaker 2: and I know that it stays with you, and I
Speaker 2: hope that you had partners who were there or people
Speaker 2: who were there to support you through that and to
Speaker 2: the other side of it as well. And to all
Speaker 2: of our midwives and doulahs who are out here doing
Speaker 2: this work, I hope that you too are also bringing
Speaker 2: in the spirituality element, the morality element, the ethical element.
Speaker 2: And listen, you can be atheist, but you have to
Speaker 2: have a morality about what your work is and that
Speaker 2: it is in service to not just the person, not
Speaker 2: just the baby, but to literally the earth. We gotta
Speaker 2: think big, big thinking, all right. Speaking of big thinking,
Speaker 2: we gotta give shout out to our friend of the show,
Speaker 2: our high quality wife himself, he love.
Speaker 7: I would like to provide a toast to Van Jones,
Speaker 7: a man who started out as a racial justice advocate and.
Speaker 2: Is now Davidson boss Well using that prince charming face
Speaker 2: to get all up in them people place.
Speaker 5: A stooge for corporate media, that a shell for the
Speaker 5: Israeli governments making fun of dead guys and babies. If
Speaker 5: you are a young person, you open up your phone
Speaker 5: and all you see is dead guys of baby, dead
Speaker 5: gods of baby. Dead guy's baby.
Speaker 7: Diddy, dead gods of baby.
Speaker 15: Absolutely to platform a genocide Penoma, these shills.
Speaker 2: See yeah, see yeah. I just want to make sure
Speaker 2: to remind you all that for every I'll save it
Speaker 2: from my PSA. But shout out to Davidson, a real one. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's get into this PSA, y'all, am p S.
Speaker 15: And So.
Speaker 2: One of the main things that we discussed today was
Speaker 2: the presence of indigenoity as a source for not only
Speaker 2: knowledge for not only upliftment of the earth and challenging
Speaker 2: of climate change, but also as a source of resistance
Speaker 2: and when we are seeing the indigenous people of Brasil,
Speaker 2: the indigenous people of Ecuador, of Peru, of Nepal, Burkina, Fasso, Niger,
Speaker 2: Molly rising up and saying we have had enough. This
Speaker 2: is not just waiting for land back. This is taking
Speaker 2: land back. And it's not It may not be in
Speaker 2: the immediate overwhelming fashion that people want because that as
Speaker 2: the goal. However, it is an actual move towards and
Speaker 2: it is a no if that's not even fair. It
Speaker 2: is movement. It is not just movement towards. It is
Speaker 2: movement on business, and it is people who are connected
Speaker 2: to their indigenuity as it exists, beyond something to capitalize on.
Speaker 2: It is something that is within them. It is something
Speaker 2: that drives them. It is something that has spirit attached
Speaker 2: to it. Right, it has something greater than just their
Speaker 2: physical form attached to it. And that, right there is
Speaker 2: something that black people in the United States have been
Speaker 2: lacking because it was stolen from us. And I say
Speaker 2: in my book what would the ancestors say? And I
Speaker 2: say on my book tour, and I continue to say
Speaker 2: this here. If we are not paying attention to the
Speaker 2: efforts of indigenous communities to get their land back, then
Speaker 2: we are completely disregarding a huge aspect as black people
Speaker 2: and just as folks who want there to be land
Speaker 2: back in the United States and in western spaces. We
Speaker 2: are completely disregarding not only sources of knowledge, but sources
Speaker 2: of strength. When I see black mainstream media and I
Speaker 2: see black folks who are not talking about this, I say,
Speaker 2: those are people who are one disconnected not only from
Speaker 2: other factions of information, but they are also disconnected from
Speaker 2: the value of indigenous knowledge. For Black people in the
Speaker 2: United States who had to form our own version of indigenousity,
Speaker 2: we will not win, we will not succeed, we will
Speaker 2: not come together, We will not do anything that we
Speaker 2: claim we want to do until we identify ourselves as
Speaker 2: truly indigenous, not just the way that people be like
Speaker 2: we wasn't slaves, we was indigenous. No, that's not what
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. I mean as in a collective that
Speaker 2: understands the world in a shared way, that understands our
Speaker 2: existence in the world, in a shared way that is
Speaker 2: connected beyond our attachment to material things, beyond our goals
Speaker 2: of exceeding or succeeding in this capitalist mainframe. No, until
Speaker 2: we identify that, until we bring in our African indigenity
Speaker 2: and combine it with all of the uniqueness that we
Speaker 2: have created here, we will never get anywhere. So when
Speaker 2: you are watching black folks out here who say they're
Speaker 2: for black folks, make sure that they are also speaking
Speaker 2: about indigenous folks all over this world as a source
Speaker 2: of knowledge, as a source of wisdom, and also as
Speaker 2: a source of strength, because we are all being actively
Speaker 2: disconnected from that source for a reason to keep us
Speaker 2: able to be squelched, suppressed and repressed. So stay alert,
Speaker 2: stay coalitioned, and keep expanding. All right, y'all, hey, come now,
Speaker 2: Thank you everybody les joining the show today. Shout out
Speaker 2: to our guest. We go out, Yea and Adam want
Speaker 2: today I had a lot going on to tell us.
Speaker 2: God love.
Speaker 20: The work.
Speaker 2: That nobody every day. Shout out to our field squad.
Speaker 2: You know it's going to be joining us after the show.
Speaker 2: Can get it in on our after the show. Yet
Speaker 2: now be asked at the beginning of the shows, We're
Speaker 2: gonna ask you again, what are you you're gonna do this?
Speaker 2: Thank you on that day. Thank you. That's our bonus question.
Speaker 2: Thank you, that's our bonus question of the week. So
Speaker 2: thank you all for coming back. I know that I
Speaker 2: was missing for the past two weeks, and you're probably like,
Speaker 2: is she gonna come back? Is she gonna come back?
Speaker 2: But I was missing because I'm doing the work, y'all.
Speaker 2: I'm out here and I'm just trying to figure it out. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely just trying to figure it out. If you
Speaker 2: haven't gotten your copy of what would the ancestors say?
Speaker 2: They are available at Amanda Seals Zacham, so hopefully you
Speaker 2: will go out there and get that and what else
Speaker 2: am I trying to say to y'all before I go?
Speaker 2: And I want to remind you that you I want
Speaker 2: miss who. I want to remind you that I will
Speaker 2: be in DC at bus Boys and Poets on December second.
Speaker 2: I will be in Baltimore on December third. I can't
Speaker 2: remember the name of the venue off the top of
Speaker 2: my head. I will be at Involving Books in New
Speaker 2: Orleans on December eleventh. And I will be in New
Speaker 2: York in Nyack, New York, and I will tell you
Speaker 2: the venue when it's comfortised on December fourteenth. All right,
Speaker 2: so make sure that you write your dates down for
Speaker 2: when I'm going to be round your way. And hopefully
Speaker 2: we'll be able to come see each other and hang
Speaker 2: out and have a little key shout out to Joonna
Speaker 2: Castro who came to two book readings, okay, in two
Speaker 2: different places. He came to the show in LA and
Speaker 2: I saw him in Chicago. So I'm just saying you guys,
Speaker 2: there's folks who are really out here. I'm joking. I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to pressure you all, but do really come
Speaker 2: to my joints.
Speaker 12: They want to stand in the way of every move forward.
Speaker 12: The only way you can think about your people struggle
Speaker 12: is when you are involved in people struggle.
Speaker 2: So we're going to have to change how we relate
Speaker 2: to each other as human beings.
Speaker 7: Out there unity.
Speaker 8: A name, a man, A man, man a man. No
Speaker 8: not finding en