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should I just say Bunny.

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Speaker 2: Hello? Filthy movie lovers, something weirdos and anti criterion brose

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to the forty third episode of The Sin Syndicate, where

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ice cubes are inserted into erogenous zones and every marriage

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is built on a foundation of trust. My name is

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Gentry Austen, writer and researcher, and I'm here with my

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co host, adult film historian Casey Scott. And in this

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week's episode, we will be visiting a nineteen seventy five

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San Francisco massage parlor where they give more than just

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leg rubs. Joining us is Mark Murray, a man of

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many talents and many interests, but whom we've asked on

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the show to provide insight into the life and career

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of model and sex film star Serena. She was just

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getting her start in the business when she starred in

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a Harry Novak produced, Barry Spinello directed sexploitation film called

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Massage Parlor. Wife.

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Speaker 3: Let me fix your time.

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Speaker 2: The pain in my neck is not so great as

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the pain I feel right here in my heart.

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Speaker 4: Oh I can fix that too, in no way.

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Speaker 2: I love you.

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Speaker 4: When you come to your senses and you quit that

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ridiculous job, then and only then will you and I

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once more begin man and wife.

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Speaker 3: I've only been working with the massage parlor for one week.

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Speaker 1: Right, and one week is one week too much, So.

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Speaker 2: Bubble will get sensual not sexual, in a moment. But

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first we've got some news and updates. Let's cruise through here.

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Mark is joining us, so Mark feel free to chime in.

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But we'll start with the major announcement that we've teased

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a few times, what I've called the release of the year,

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the Distrip Picks double feature plus one of Michael Findlay's

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final black and white films, The Ultimate Degenerate and a

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Thousand Pleasures, which is available to pre order now and

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should be shipping out at the end of this month

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of July. Here it is Casey Shadow, producer. True, we've

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got a lot going on on this release. Yes, let's

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run through it quick.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, your I don't exaggerate you. And

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Alex DeSanto wrote a piece, a very extensive piece ont

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and that moved me to tears multiple times because I

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read it several times, including just for the hell of it,

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because it had gone it went through edits and substantial change,

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not substantial changes, but you know, and it's great and

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it's terrific, and I'm glad that they updated the website

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to note that that's in there. Sean Langerck wrote it.

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definitive information about her family background and things like that.

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I did. I moderated. I mentioned on the release as

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being as doing the commentaries. I didn't really do the commentaries.

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I moderated the commentaries by Neil Martinsen, who was kind

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of the big Michael Findley historian who hasn't really done

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anything that's going to be exciting. I'm excited to hear

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what people have to say.

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Speaker 2: He's been working hard on his thing.

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Speaker 3: Yes right, and the ROBERTA interviews. So take me Naked

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as from a video transfer, because I think most people

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the DVD, or when the DVD when then the negative

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like disintegrated after it was finished, so that is toast,

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so there is anything else available for that film. So

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they're using a tape master. I think it might be

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the digital master from the image DVD. I don't think

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it's the SKHS, so I should not have the bug

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on it. If it does, I'll be unhappy.

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not an issue somebody mishandling a negative. This was just

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a case of the nature of the Beast. Mike, you know,

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Mike Rainy was like when he scanned it. According to Lisa,

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he was you know, he had the baby, that thing

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at the time. So that's just it. Nobody, you know,

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it's nobody's fault. It's just the nature of the business

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or the beast.

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Speaker 1: Right, they'll still be complaints.

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to start to know stuff and they need to work

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Speaker 1: And that's a respectable way to approach that, honestly.

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titles where they don't have FAILM elements, but they're going

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that's on there, and they're really kind of hype in this,

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very first time, including the very first phone call that

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in two thousand and five, No, yes, two thousand and five,

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her interview her through Media Blasters who set me up

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with her. So Bill Helfeierre at Media Blasters set us up,

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so you can kind of hear baby Casey developed trying

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to develop a rapport with this woman who scares the

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shit out of him. And it's interesting, I hadn't listened

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of it for my records, but yeah, I made sure

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to include the very first phone call I ever made

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to her where she picked up the phone and I

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had to schedule the interview with her, so that's on there.

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she did work on them, So that's there. So yeah,

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my archives, like, it's going to be able to be

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shared and there's good there's good stuff in there.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, So that's the release. Go order it.

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haven't heard the commentaries yet, so I'm really excited to

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hear Neil Oh, that's right, you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there there were more that I didn't but he

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first and ultimately Generate second. So when you get it,

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something weird videotapes and and things like that, and uh,

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to see the love is coming back. And also you

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kind of spearheading that, uh, that real deep dive into

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to your podcast, I'm sitting there going, who the hell

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this guy's talking about? You know, like you guys are

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so deep into it that it inspires me to go

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of like the guy sitting in the back seat along

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for the ride with you guys. You know, hopefully I

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have some some details to to offer, you know, when

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we have the discussion. But you know, I appreciate what

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one who you know, credit credit due where it's due,

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and uh, you know, it's it and and it's this

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attention before. So we're all in that category where we're

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concerned about the loss of the history of of these things.

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involved in this are passing away, and there's so much

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of this history that's just going you know, this is

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going by the wayside that we'll never be able to recapture.

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into like revisionist history. We're we're trying to go to

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the sources and we're trying to get that information. You know,

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you know, resuscitators of a story. We want to go

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to the sources. So I just appreciate what you guys

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to to inspire me to look deeper into things? What

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thinking about this because you know, I am a consumer

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criticism that said it was dry. You know, dude, I

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pearls of unknown things that you never you never would

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those those complaints too. And Tim Lucas is was one

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that came in. I store it in that b because

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it's just so so big.

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shelf of my bookshelf because it will destroy any other

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shelf on my books that has to be ground level

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because it is the size of a child.

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so in depth that I think it loses some people.

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in and so so so maybe those of us that

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are a little bit uh more familiar with the material

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can can digest it a little bit easier versus somebody

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who's coming in, you know, a little bit as a newbie,

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in the history of things. So I can understand that

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of just being like overwhelmed with the amount of But

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I'd rather be overwhelmed than underwhelmed, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Access I think digestibility is

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something that I don't think about because I have no

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problem going back and revisiting listening to a commentary twice

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to like to remember or taking Yeah, we're taking notes

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during which I know Alex does, and I've done it

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a few times on certain things where I'm just like, Okay,

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I need to remember this, but yeah, I think digestibility

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is something that I never think about, and now that

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makes you wonder Gentry, Like, we really are NonStop on

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our car on our commentaries, we cover so much shit.

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So I guess anybody who's experiencing those commentaries give them

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a second grow round if you need to, because we

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we really cover so much shit. I'm thinking of the

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Turk and Jezebel ones even I'm just like, we really

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did deep dives on I don't like seven or eight

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crew members, Like really, yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's there, Like, yeah, you can return to it if

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you don't get it all in the first try. Like

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you said, it's like, go back to it if you're interested.

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If not, then move on whatever. I don't write it

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and I think it.

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Speaker 1: Another challenge is we have to remember that we likely are,

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you know, in whatever, whether we're writing or speaking about something,

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that we likely are talking to a lot of people

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that don't know the amount that we do, so we

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might not be providing all the details that we need

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to so that someone can get a better grasp because

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we're so familiar with it, we might kind of gloss

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over certain things because to us it's like standard knowledge,

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whereas it may not be for somebody else. So that's

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that's a hard thing to try and kind of reel

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yourself in and you know, provide context that that other

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people that you know that other people maybe don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think about that all the time. But you know,

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the way I like to approach it, and I think

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Casey is to a certain extent as well as like,

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you know, if you don't immediately understand something or a

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term or phrase like look, we look. We live in

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a digital age here. You can look that stuff up easily.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's not like back.

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Speaker 2: In the day where you would have to go to

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the library and get a book out to understand something

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like On that note commentary, I actually got my wad.

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I haven't listened to the commentary yet.

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Speaker 1: Though, but have you bred so so I did listen

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to the commentary last weekend, I believe it was. And uh,

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I'm not so much of a fan of that front

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of that slipcover. I don't really like that artwork. The

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back artwork I do, but I don't mind it. Just

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so it was kind of weird super imposing his face

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over pants or whatever. It just looked weird. But anyways,

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your your commentary, Casey, I thought was excellent. I was

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kind of laughing, uh, you know, not negatively at the beginning,

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but you're you're in this like marathon of like trying

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to introduce everybody who's coming, who's coming on screen, and

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then it's kind of like, oh my god, Okay, I've

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just talked about all the talking heads. Now, like you know,

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you're trying to squeeze squeeze biographies of every person into

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like a thirty second snippet of them talking. That that

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had me laughing. You know, I thought that was hilarious.

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But you can and you you acknowledge it. You're like, okay,

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now that we've gone through all the talking heads, like

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let's take a step back and let's go through this,

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you know. And it's it's also nice to hear where

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you're like, look, I'm not a fan of John Holmes,

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like at all, Like I don't like him, you know.

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Speaker 2: Of personal level, Yeah, yeah, and in a performer level.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a performer either or not a good actor.

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I don't like anything about him at all at all. Yeah,

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So like you, Yeah, he's the bottom of the barrel

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for me.

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Speaker 1: Right, And of course he's a controversial character, you know

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in a million ways, right, you know. And what's what's

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ironic about him in a lot of scenarios, like you know,

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he's he's on one of the loops in the Effervescent

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Serena release and actually he'll be on one with her

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in volume two. And she speaks very highly of him,

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you know. And and and a lot of those people

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that that speak highly of him were ones that were

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more familiar with him early on in his career, you know,

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before he before the you know, the the alternate version

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of of John Holmes came out with with the drug use, and.

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Speaker 2: And it was like, I don't remember any of that

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drug use, if he if he was doing it, it

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was very secretive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it's it as far as the

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documentary goes. I had seen it before, so it was

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nice to revisit it again. And uh, you know, your

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your discussion about Cass Paley was was incredible. I mean,

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I I really enjoyed that, and you know, I like

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things that that are relating to a personal connection, HM.

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And so so we get a lot of of your

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your story and your you know, love and friendship with Cass.

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to work on some stuff with him as well, not

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any any way to the degree you know that you were,

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but you know, as I kind of started this journey,

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you know, restoring loops and collecting the loops, you know,

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he and I became Facebook friends, and you know, he

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would call me every so often, and and we would

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just guss the project that he was working on. And

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from him where he sent me like his outline for

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like a five disc release that would be like all

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about the history of loops. And yeah, we had talked

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I mean I told him, I said, I thought that

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to me, that's like I want ten discs. I don't

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want five, Like you know, that's that's my level. But

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if you're trying to sell this to you know, HBO

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or something like that, I said, you might want to

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tone it, like, you know, consolidated a little bit, because

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they may not be. They look at that and say, well,

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you're proposing like, you know, a five hour you know,

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documentary on something that you know nobody's really going to necessarily,

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you know, he.

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Speaker 3: Wanted it to be a series. He wanted to be

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like a Netflix series, like a mini series for sure.

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Speaker 1: Which we would we would love, but the majority of

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the people might last like one or two episodes in

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and then kind of love, you know, lose interest. I

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mean that to the to the general public, that's maybe

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like a you know, hour and a half documentary or

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or maybe a two parter or something like that at

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the most. But he I just remember he was like,

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you know, dead set that it had to be like

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of of that length and and and I appreciated that,

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and he had he was a I think he kind

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of offered to try to sell me the Blue Vanities.

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Speaker 3: Name, which that makes total sense because you're that's you

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kind of are the error apparent now to what Blue

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Vanities was doing. Like that's you know, that's yeah, you

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are carrying you're you're carrying the torch of Blue Vanities

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because they were kind of the loop people for a

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long time. And he he bought that. He and I

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talked about that in the commentary. He and a partner

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bought that from whoever it was, I think in Seattle

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who ran it mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so we kind of talked about that, and

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and I'm a little bit stubborn, and I wanted to

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do something that would it would separate myself from Blue Vanities,

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not in and not as a negative, but you know,

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uh yeah, all the stuff that they had released was

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in lower quality. That was all they could do, what

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they could do at the time. You know. So so

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I'm I didn't want to take a name that that

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was associated with uh you know, a level. You know,

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I'm trying to create my own, my own thing for

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certain And but you know, he had I remember he

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told me he had like a couple of pallets of

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loops that he was trying to do something, do something with,

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and you know, he offered to kind of like send

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them to me and and have me transfer them, and

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and you know, I had to turn it down because

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I already have plenty of my own. And you know,

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as I kind of started this, I started getting a

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lot of people that were approaching me saying, oh, I

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have you know, a large collection of these and I'll

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give them to you if you transfer them all and

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give me the transfers, Like why would I do all

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that work for you? You know, like like why would I

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spend all that time like transferring and restoring these movies

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and then just give you copies of them, you know,

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like and and and you know, it was just kind

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of a said to me, like I don't need your collection,

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Like I've already got enough to last me the rest.

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Speaker 2: Of my life.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but you know that.

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Speaker 1: But I did try to think about ways that potentially,

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like you know, Cass and I could work together, and

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you know, unfortunately he passed, and and and I just

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appreciate that you had that that you know, that able,

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that ability to give him a tribute that uh, you know,

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because he's not a name that pops up.

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. And it's it's, yeah, that's kind

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of what I wanted to do. No, this his real

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name was on the dock when it played, when it

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played at festivals, and the R rated version, the hardcore version,

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which for some reason, I just got another question about this,

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and I'm just like, I don't know why people are

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fixated on this hardcore version of this that is not

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the preferred version, it cuts interview footage to replace that

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footage with hardcore footage, so you're getting less of the

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movie the cast made if you get the hardcore version.

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So the only thing that I regret is that there

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was not research done into the Hustler Corporation to get

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the commentary he did for the VCA release of that,

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because Cass did do a director's commentary, which I, frustratingly enough,

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could not get a hold of because I never had

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that version. I only ever had the version that came

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with Wonderland, and then he sent me a DVDR of

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the longer version, which is what we have on this

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Blu ray, and it's and it's also frustrating because I

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know he had so much stuff. He had all that

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footage for the loops Dock, he had all that extra

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footage from WAD and I think it's all gone. I

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think it got tossed because.

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Speaker 1: Nobody thinks so too.

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Speaker 3: Because I asked Mary Anne. God loved Marian, but She's like,

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I didn't know what to do with it, and I

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didn't know there was so much of it, Casey, I

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didn't know what to do with it, and I was

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just like I know I got it, and see Cass.

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Cass would have sent all that shit to me if

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he was well and he knew that, if he knew

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that the end was near, he would have just had

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someone ship it all to me, because that's what he

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did for years. He shipped me everything. I have all

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of his scripts, I have all I have all of

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his talent releases, I have all of the shit that

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he sent me.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, if I'd have known that, I would

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have drove down and you know, yeah, got something like that.

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And I just think that Marianne was just so overwhelmed

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and you know, so grieving that it was just like, yeah,

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what do I do with this stuff?

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Speaker 3: Exactly? No, it was a lot, and that's why she

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I mean, yeah, she I remember she felt bad when

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she was explained. It was like, you don't have to

473
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,799
explain this to me, like I completely understand, and and

474
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,720
then it made me feel guilty again. Where I was

475
00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,279
just like, if I had known that this was this bad,

476
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:31,960
then I would have been more proactive in interviewing him

477
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,720
first of all, which I never did. We talked every day,

478
00:24:35,799 --> 00:24:38,480
and I never thought, you know what, let's cut the ship,

479
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,519
Let's just do an official interview. Cas did not like

480
00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:44,519
to really do interviews, so he didn't really didn't like

481
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:48,240
talking about himself that much. So yeah, I miss him,

482
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:50,759
and I'm thank you for the kind words on the commentary.

483
00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,480
I wasn't sure if that was the right approach, but

484
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,319
I figured because he wasn't here too. He was never

485
00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,559
a very good self promoter, and so I was like,

486
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,680
now that he's not here and he's not here to

487
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,480
self promote this or self promote anything else that he did.

488
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,200
And so I was like, well, this is the opportunity

489
00:25:06,279 --> 00:25:08,799
to kind of amplify him because he really didn't mind

490
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:10,880
being in the shadows. And I was like, well, he

491
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,480
doesn't need to be in the shadows now, like people

492
00:25:12,519 --> 00:25:14,400
should really know who he was and the important stuff

493
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:14,720
he did.

494
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,519
Speaker 1: So yeah, and I think in reality, like if you're

495
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,960
going to do a commentary on a documentary like that,

496
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,119
there's only so much you can say. So this takes

497
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,680
in there, this takes it in another direction that that

498
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,440
wouldn't have been you know, right, It wouldn't have given

499
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,480
the opportunity to you know, and you know, and I also,

500
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,599
you know, I think you even called out like Lorie

501
00:25:37,599 --> 00:25:42,519
Holmes comment, you know, about John doing movies when he

502
00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:45,920
knew he was HIV positive and just kind of like, well,

503
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,759
you know, I mean that's like that, that is disturbing.

504
00:25:50,599 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: Yes, they both thought that it eventually, well, everyone's going

505
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,319
to get aged anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Like

506
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,359
she I think that's a literal quote from her from

507
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:01,000
that documentary, and that makes sense now knowing where she

508
00:26:01,079 --> 00:26:04,519
stands politically. I just put it that way that it

509
00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:08,200
really is just all about her and nobody else. It is,

510
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,720
and you know what political party that is. So yeah, no,

511
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:16,240
no comment Yeah, Laurie, Yeah you're out there. I don't

512
00:26:16,279 --> 00:26:18,039
care if you hear this. We don't. We don't follow

513
00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:21,440
each other, we don't like each other. So I said

514
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,440
my piece on the commentary much nicer than I'm saying

515
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,880
it now, because I was, I was professional. I was

516
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:32,039
getting paid for that job. Now, I will tell you, Laurie, no, no, no, thank.

517
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 2: You, justinl Liberty for thank you.

518
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: Yes, that was a random request that I was very

519
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:40,039
surprised to get. Yes, I was, Yeah, I'm glad I

520
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:43,359
did that. And then crazily enough, I found out that

521
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:47,519
my classmate from n YU who I went to school

522
00:26:47,559 --> 00:26:50,480
with and graduated with wrote the liner notes for that release,

523
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,359
and he is the guy who wrote the book on Loops.

524
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:56,480
He wrote Let's what is it? Let's go Stag he

525
00:26:56,559 --> 00:27:01,319
wrote that book. Yeah, so so and uh it's crazy that. Yeah,

526
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:07,720
we both graduated class of thirteen from m YU and

527
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,319
I still need my copy. But he thanks me in

528
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,759
it because he literally he and I were the two

529
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:17,440
porn guys in our class. That was we were some potigo.

530
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:23,359
So it's right here. Yes, I definitely need a copy

531
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,079
of that because it's like a major substantial upgrade from

532
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,440
the last Loops book, which that was old, old old.

533
00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:31,559
I think it's black and white and blue.

534
00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, that's the one that I have. I've read

535
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,240
that one. Yeah, black and White and Blue ends basically

536
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:43,839
around nineteen seventy, That's what it makes. It mostly early early,

537
00:27:44,039 --> 00:27:44,599
like Stag.

538
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: Like, is it that hardback one? It's like brown.

539
00:27:48,519 --> 00:27:50,279
Speaker 3: The one I have is not the one I have

540
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,839
is paperback. But there is one called Dirty Looks.

541
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 1: That's that's the one.

542
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,599
Speaker 3: That that's the hardback one. Yes, and I do have

543
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,039
that one too, and that one is way out of date,

544
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:01,319
but that was like that was like the beginning of

545
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,319
all of that, and so people had been building on

546
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,599
that over time. And you know, Dan is great and

547
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,079
Dan Dan is so funny because he just sent me

548
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,599
a bunch of but he runs he he, he publishes

549
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,079
a zine. He sent me a bunch of copies of

550
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,839
the zine. I was like, ah, I love to see

551
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:20,160
people still doing zines, you know, So shout out to Dan.

552
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:24,160
Loved Dan. One of my favorite people, Anne Kristen, his

553
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,640
wife who I also went to school with. They're still married.

554
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 5: Love both of them.

555
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: I want to mention something else too. A couple episodes ago,

556
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:51,759
I'm just that's my segue into something some other topic beautiful.

557
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,119
Who was it? Red Fox? I never wrote a segue

558
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,799
in my life, you know or whatever. But I also

559
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,920
appreciate you guys a few episodes ago calling out the

560
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,160
AI usage, you know, I mean, that's that's something that's

561
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,880
that's uh disturbing to me in so many regards, and

562
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,720
especially that specific instance.

563
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: You know, we wanted to hold that conversation until you

564
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,119
came on, but just couldn't keep it in any longer.

565
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 3: It was. It was a damn bursting. There was no way.

566
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,680
We We just had to We just had to let

567
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,799
it go well.

568
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,279
Speaker 1: Didn't I kind of inspire that by a Facebook post

569
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,960
that kind of uh, because I think I posted something

570
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,759
of like, I'm so tired of people that that take

571
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,680
of take some kind of a video clip and run

572
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,519
it through some AI and now say it's a four

573
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:41,920
K restoration and you know it was for a d

574
00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:43,920
P when you started, and now all of a sudden,

575
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,240
you know, it's just a it's just ridiculous that people

576
00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:50,160
think that that's that's an uprage and you got this

577
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:55,279
like just bizarre alien looking people because of the you know,

578
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,519
just yeah, I don't I don't get it, and I

579
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:58,440
don't understand about that.

580
00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: It's about them being able to say, you know, click

581
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:04,480
that little icon and they can show like four K

582
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,319
on YouTube. That's what it's all about.

583
00:30:06,759 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, I mean.

584
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 3: But then also I think provides people this similar to

585
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,960
how there are people who are using AI to reverse

586
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,119
image search adult film actresses and then claim that people

587
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,920
they find or them and they're just posting random pictures

588
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,000
of strangers that they say are these people when they

589
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,319
are not these people. I think there's a sense of

590
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:27,240
weird kind of ownership that's like, well, now I'm part

591
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:30,599
of this movie's history and now I'm I'm part of

592
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:32,279
this and I own a rest like this.

593
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,319
Speaker 1: No, right, yeah, like I just do something like you

594
00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:35,960
didn't do anything.

595
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 3: I just did something, Yes exactly, I'm just yeah, it's

596
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,119
it's disgusting.

597
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,839
Speaker 2: I think a lot of them like they literally do

598
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,839
not know, like the type of work that goes into this,

599
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:48,720
the type of working mark. They don't know.

600
00:30:49,119 --> 00:30:50,039
Speaker 3: No, not a clue.

601
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's not fun. I mean there's there's times

602
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,160
that I just like, it's like, oh my god, it's work.

603
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: Who knew?

604
00:30:57,839 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, it's it's so I mean it.

605
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:03,119
I mean if we talk about just like you know,

606
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,839
my process, it's it's when I'm going through loops, you know.

607
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:11,920
I Right now, I have about seventy six hundred titles

608
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,240
in my collection, and and you know not you know,

609
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,519
ninety eight percent of those are hardcore. There's a little

610
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,000
bit in there of like you know, little like Nudi

611
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:23,960
QUT's and sixteen millimeters and and some you know, weird

612
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,200
wrestling things and odds and ends, but the majority of

613
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,559
it's all hardcore, a lot of European stuff. And on

614
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,400
top of that, I have probably about four thousand duplicates

615
00:31:34,039 --> 00:31:36,799
so when I'm going through everything, you know, if I

616
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,880
decide I'm going to transfer something or whatever project I'm

617
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,880
working on, you know, I'll have to go and I'll

618
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,759
have to inspect sometimes three four five copies of that

619
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,440
to find the best one. And it's so small, it's

620
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,000
so small that you can't just like unspooled look and

621
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,079
get an idea of what the quality is going to

622
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,720
be about The best you can do is say, well,

623
00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:58,480
the color looks pretty good on this, you know, but

624
00:31:58,559 --> 00:31:59,680
you're not going to be able to see a big

625
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,839
scratch going through the entire length of the film. And

626
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,039
and so usually that requires me to, you know, I

627
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,559
hand clean everything, so you know, I add a little

628
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,279
quick leader and you know head or heads and tails,

629
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:14,240
and I hand clean everything and then I'll you know,

630
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,480
run it through the transfer system and see what I've got,

631
00:32:17,839 --> 00:32:19,559
and you know, hopefully most.

632
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:19,839
Speaker 3: Of the time.

633
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,319
Speaker 1: Sometimes I'll be going through while I'm hand cleaning it

634
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,279
and I'll feel a splice and it's like, well, you know,

635
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,720
can I use this now? Like is there footage missing

636
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,039
or is it or is it just a frame or

637
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:31,160
two or is it like at a at a at

638
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,240
a transition where it's not going to be something that, uh,

639
00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:37,400
you know, is detrimental to the flow of the film.

640
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,480
And sometimes I'm going to have to use something that

641
00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:43,839
has a trim in it somewhere. You know, it's either

642
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:46,839
that or nothing. So I would I would prefer to

643
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,440
have something available then nothing. You know, I think we

644
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,440
all kind of agree on that, Like, could we rather

645
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,599
we'd rather see two reels of a three reel film

646
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:55,680
if that's all we can get.

647
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: Yes, you know there's something ethos Yeah, yeah, you know.

648
00:33:01,079 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: And then on top of the transfer, then I have

649
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,920
to go in and use the software to clean it up.

650
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,079
Then I go in and I got to do individual corrections.

651
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,119
You know. There's there's some some films that I probably

652
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,680
go overboard and I try to try to kind of

653
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,079
let some of the damage live, like I want some

654
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,240
of that to be in there. But I'll just I'll

655
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,599
just be sitting there frame by frame, you know, hope,

656
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920
let me let me clean this up, let me trim this,

657
00:33:26,119 --> 00:33:28,559
or you know, whatever it may be. And you know,

658
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,039
before you know it, a few hours have gone by

659
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:34,480
and it's like I'm working on eight minutes of footage

660
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,880
here and it's taken me like three or four days,

661
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,880
you know. So, so part of that is the economy

662
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,279
of time of like let some of it live. It

663
00:33:44,319 --> 00:33:46,599
should live in there the damage, you know, I want

664
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,240
it to still look like film. I'm leaving the grain in,

665
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,480
you know. And if you think about it, if you're

666
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,799
looking at like eighteen frames per second and eight minutes

667
00:33:56,839 --> 00:34:00,640
of footage, you're nine thousand frames. So am I going

668
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,400
to go through every individual frame? You know? No, I

669
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:04,200
mean it would take me.

670
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: It would.

671
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: I'd be putting out something like every three years, you know.

672
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,519
So it is a challenge and I and that frustrates

673
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:15,760
me when I see somebody like, oh, I just restored this,

674
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,239
and it's like you have no idea, like you just

675
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,239
click the button on there. And and that's also something

676
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,719
that it gives me pride, Like you know, the Parmer

677
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,039
Flesh Archives motto is, take pride in your porn.

678
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 3: You know, porn.

679
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: Porn is a loaded word, but it also shouldn't be

680
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,159
like I use it as kind of like a you know,

681
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:35,480
attention grabber, but also at the same time, like, so

682
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:39,559
what porn. That's why I love photographer Paul Johnson. He's like,

683
00:34:39,599 --> 00:34:43,199
I'm a pornographer, like he wears that with pride like

684
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,320
I did it for the sex, Like this is porn,

685
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,880
you know, right, And but you know there is the

686
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,960
pride in it when you when you get to the

687
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:54,159
end there and you see like what the the end

688
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:56,840
result is and you know that you put the work in,

689
00:34:57,639 --> 00:35:01,119
you know, and and and when you put the work in,

690
00:35:01,199 --> 00:35:03,880
you get the best results. It doesn't matter who who's

691
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,800
who's doing it. So you know, I'm sorry you you

692
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,440
know armchair guys who are just taking files that you

693
00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:16,079
downloaded and putting them in a you know, in an

694
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:18,880
app and claiming that you've just restored a movie, like

695
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,039
you haven't done anything, you know. And there was some

696
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:25,360
some things I was looking at on another Facebook group

697
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,119
where someone had posted an image I think it was

698
00:35:28,119 --> 00:35:30,360
from Star Trek. It was like a behind the scenes

699
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,400
shot of a Star Trek episode where you had like

700
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,639
the you know, the crew and he had the clapper

701
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:38,360
board and everything and you could see, you know, they

702
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,440
were getting ready to take the shot and that single

703
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,440
frame and someone ran it through like an AI thing

704
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,719
and they thought they'd just done this amazing thing where

705
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,960
they you know, restored this this frame and when you

706
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,760
looked at it in detail from the original image to

707
00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:01,360
the supposedly restored one. It changed the text on the

708
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:07,480
clapperboard it was written on there. It changed facial expressions

709
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:09,920
of the people that were in the background, like it

710
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,000
made people smiling that weren't smiling. And you know, I

711
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,599
look at that and I just think, man, that's that's

712
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,519
you know, did you even analyze this image after you

713
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:23,159
ran it through this app, you know, to see what

714
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,840
it actually altered, you know, And so I mean, I

715
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,679
I just love the fact that there there is so

716
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,480
much stuff that is being restored right now. I'm not

717
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,920
trying to take credit for, you know, being this amazing

718
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:37,039
restoration guy. I don't really know what the hell I'm doing.

719
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:40,159
I'm learning something every day, you know, and I'm just

720
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:42,679
a stubborn guy that just keeps keeps at it until

721
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:43,440
I figure it out.

722
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:44,559
Speaker 2: You know.

723
00:36:44,599 --> 00:36:48,079
Speaker 1: Hopefully as time goes by, things get better, you know,

724
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,039
from my own work, and hopefully at some point, you know,

725
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:54,039
I can actually have some some revenue, or I can

726
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:55,559
upgrade my equipment.

727
00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: Maybe get an assistant. I know, you like to do

728
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:01,360
everything yourself.

729
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: Trying to make my wife my assistant. You want to

730
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,760
want her to do everything on the you know, she's

731
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,400
been she's actually been like assembling all the Effervescent releases.

732
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,639
So any of you that uh that ordered cards, you

733
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:18,559
know that, uh you know, my wife lovingly put that

734
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:21,199
all together and you know, shrink wrapped it and everything

735
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,119
and you know everything.

736
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 2: Put the condom in there.

737
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,039
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, we actually the cards.

738
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: It's funny because we have a debate about the condom

739
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,000
because I think it's better to put the condom in

740
00:37:31,039 --> 00:37:33,800
the package with the opposite side up so you can

741
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,599
see the color of it. She's adamant that it needs

742
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:38,880
to go face down so you can see the label.

743
00:37:39,559 --> 00:37:44,039
Speaker 2: Now, this is the level of detail into the say.

744
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: I got both, I got, I've received them both ways.

745
00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,960
I can't tell you. I have a conference, so you

746
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,159
know what, keep keep alternating. Both look good to me.

747
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,800
So yeah. But also something else to note is that

748
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:01,199
like a lot of these people that are doing this,

749
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,880
they're doing it, like you said, from like compressed video

750
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,159
files that they're downloading on the internet or like old

751
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,400
vahs rips. So they're never gonna look good and they're

752
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,400
they're gonna look even more otherworldly and alien because they're

753
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,000
not dealing. It's like when people try to use AI

754
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:21,239
to do well. It's even worse on video. Stuff that

755
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,760
shot on video looks even worse because of the because

756
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,320
of that, because of that bit rate of video and

757
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,440
the different video formats from the eighties and stuff. So

758
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,159
I've seen eighties stuff that's like, God, it looks really terrible.

759
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,119
It looks really disgusting and horrible.

760
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,639
Speaker 1: It makes it brighter, but like wax seats and weird,

761
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,519
and the movements are weird.

762
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 3: The movements look completely fabricated. Cumshots are disgusting in AI. Yes,

763
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:52,760
they are really revolting. So yeah, it's just like it's

764
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,320
never good.

765
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: When it comes to restoring eight millimeter films. Cumshots are

766
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:03,320
my my nemesis. Yeah, you know, the soft the software

767
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,119
usually considers that uh, you know damage and tries to

768
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:12,599
remove the removed the cum shot. So so I oftentimes

769
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:16,360
have to go back in and sort of clone you know,

770
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:21,559
the cumshot back back into the image because it will

771
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,079
take it out wow.

772
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 2: Because they think it's like a splotch on the negative

773
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:26,760
or something.

774
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:30,599
Speaker 1: The way that the software interprets it as if it's like,

775
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,320
you know, additional grain damage or something like that, so

776
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,519
it will like lighten it or remove it completely, so

777
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,960
I have to go back and use some you know

778
00:39:40,039 --> 00:39:43,679
trickery and and uh clone the cum shot back in.

779
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,559
So it's yeah, it's I mean that that is my life.

780
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 3: You know.

781
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:51,599
Speaker 1: My wife comes in and sees uh, you know, genitalia

782
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:54,920
on the computer screens and I'm you know, drawing out

783
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,519
little dots and trying to clear up you know, scratches,

784
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,519
and you know, so that's that's what happens in our

785
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:01,320
household here.

786
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 2: Some will say that's living the dream mark.

787
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:05,599
Speaker 3: Somebody's dream.

788
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, but I love it. I mean, you know it,

789
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:13,119
like I said, it does give a sense of satisfaction.

790
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,079
Speaker 2: And that's all you can do, is like you're satisfied

791
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:20,760
with your work, you know, the you know, the effort

792
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,679
that's being put into this. And I would just say,

793
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,159
as like a final note, it's just like that's all

794
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:29,119
you can do, like do keep doing good work and

795
00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,719
hope that people will see it and realize that, hey,

796
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,360
this is the right way to do these things. And

797
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,679
like you know, me clicking a AI filter button and

798
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,280
calling it four K, like those people that are not

799
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,079
getting any satisfy, satisfaction at the end of the day,

800
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:48,800
I would hope no they're doing it for clicks.

801
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,159
Speaker 3: I don't even think they like to watch it.

802
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I was going to say. I don't

803
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,280
think they're really fans anyway, So those those people wouldn't

804
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,320
be my customers or anything. So you know, they're just

805
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,199
they're just But the scary thing is is I think

806
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:03,159
they're just perpetrating the idea that that garbage is is

807
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:07,199
is good and it's gonna it's changing people's perceptions to

808
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,000
think what is you know, a quality image or what

809
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,679
what to expect in in in imagery and that that

810
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,400
ultimately is what's upsetting to me, that there's not going

811
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,679
to be anything that looks like film anymore. That you know,

812
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,079
there's going to become a trend where you know, who

813
00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:24,840
knows it could become where studios just go through and

814
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:28,400
they they ai a tie all of their all of

815
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,760
their product and and make it make it look like

816
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:34,039
that because that's what they believe that the public wants

817
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,599
to see, you know. So I just I hope we

818
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:39,000
don't get to that point, you know. And and you know,

819
00:41:39,039 --> 00:41:41,800
I love seeing like Vinegar Syndrome and the work the

820
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,679
district picks and and and everybody's doing that is you know,

821
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,000
trying to uh you know, like it's it's not that

822
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:51,480
we're holding on tight to that nostalgia. It's just that's

823
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:53,800
the way it's supposed to be, you know. I mean, yeah,

824
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:55,599
we are holding on tight to that nostalgia. I love

825
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:58,679
the nostalgia. I live for the nostalgia, you know, but

826
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,480
we're trying to keep it true, right.

827
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:13,119
Speaker 4: I agree.

828
00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 2: Well, talking about elements here, Casey, let's talk about lunch Wagon,

829
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,000
which has a film we talked about in our last episode.

830
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:25,960
One of your picks that was number five.

831
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 3: Yes, it was number five. There was a run only

832
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,760
in chronological reverse chronological order. So yeah, I probably would

833
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,280
have rated I or if I had a choice. But yeah,

834
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,880
So John Charles, God love John Charles. As much shit

835
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,679
as you talk about him, he still he still can.

836
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,960
He still keeps our our group chat going.

837
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 2: He knows that's out of love.

838
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 5: I know.

839
00:42:48,199 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 3: I love John. John another one like Nathaniel Thompson and

840
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,599
and and uh Marty McKean, a bunch of people. I've

841
00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:59,039
known those those guys since high school. I've known them

842
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,840
for over twenty five years. So and it's funny I

843
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,920
never met John, but yeah, we've been in touch for

844
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,280
that long. He confirmed that that. Yeah, Mark Bordi, who

845
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,159
I almost reached out to about lunch Wagon, and I'm

846
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,000
glad I didn't because I'm sure he would have thrown

847
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,840
me some bullshit, said he was tired of paying storage

848
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,199
fees for all of his elements for the mark boardy stuff.

849
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:23,079
So we're talking while talking lunch Wagon, Hollywood hot Tubs,

850
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,760
summer Camp. I feel like Preppies might have been one

851
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,920
of his. I don't remember all the rest of them,

852
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,840
but they were being held at Bonded, which is a

853
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,039
big film lab, and he got tired of paying storage

854
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:35,760
fees and he just told him to throw it all away.

855
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:41,239
And so no lunch Wagon restoration, possible nonagraph release of

856
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,880
no cinematograph release, which, considering they're putting out fifty four,

857
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,920
I think that they they could afford to do a

858
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:53,920
lunch Wagon, considering that apparently quality is not necessarily required

859
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,400
a cinematograph. I will not buy the reviving of the

860
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,440
reputation in a fifty four. It is not Showgirls, which

861
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,199
I do co sign the reviving of that reputation. Fifty

862
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,400
four is not good in any of its versions.

863
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:09,559
Speaker 1: It's not good.

864
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:13,639
Speaker 3: Sorry, guys, yeah, I don't like that, but but yeah,

865
00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:17,719
lunch well, considering that lunch Wagon, I think you had

866
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:21,039
mentioned I think you mentioned somewhere I think in your

867
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,400
Letterbox review was that it was one of the most

868
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,440
probable independent movies of like nineteen eighty one. Yeah, so

869
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:29,360
there had to be prints out there. So can we

870
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,440
at least get like a nice theatrical print scan for

871
00:44:32,519 --> 00:44:35,559
Blu Ray, I mean that would be nice. Versanne Cayton

872
00:44:35,599 --> 00:44:39,559
would be involved because Rosanna Kayton does interviews. I think

873
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,119
I think the asking price for one of her interviews

874
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,119
I believe. Don't quote me on this, but I believe

875
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,119
it is if you do a substantial donation to her

876
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,440
and her husband's nonprofit. So essentially, if you donate something,

877
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:54,079
they're very good nonprofit that's doing really good work, that

878
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:56,760
she will do an interview. So do that and get

879
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,679
a rasin Kateen interviews, she has such good stories.

880
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I feel I feel like if people

881
00:45:02,639 --> 00:45:04,800
saw if that came out on some kind of like

882
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,800
a double feature with the other that Navy film that

883
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,719
we don't exactly love, but she's.

884
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: Chess Anderson, completely different owners, right, Yeah, so that would

885
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,400
not happen.

886
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, anything or anything, Yeah, Roan.

887
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 3: Summer Camp maybe born Mark Bardy.

888
00:45:20,119 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that she would get like a lot

889
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,880
of new fans. She's just like, she has such a

890
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,639
great energy and such a great look.

891
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great. And also missing persons, I think because

892
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:32,320
Dale Bosio is right now, I'm going through a GoFundMe

893
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,039
right now. And uh. And that was kind of fun

894
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,960
because you were not aware of missing persons, I learned

895
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:41,400
until you watch this movie and Dale Bosio.

896
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,159
Speaker 2: You're like, why are all these missing?

897
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:46,559
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, music in here, and I was like, oh,

898
00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:49,920
he's really taking with Dale Bosio. That whole Spring Session

899
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,280
M album is like one of the best debut albums ever.

900
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: It's so good.

901
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:57,679
Speaker 1: I've got that. I'm a vinyl guy, I've got that

902
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,880
vinyl And uh, every time I listened to it, I

903
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,679
think about how heavy it sounds like. It's not it's

904
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,079
not like you know, it's it doesn't have to be

905
00:46:06,159 --> 00:46:08,079
like sounding like death metal to be heavy, you know,

906
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:10,960
but it it has like a NonStop but chugging along. Well,

907
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,000
it's got a back into it. It's not like this poppy,

908
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:17,360
you know, water down you know, new wavy kind of

909
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,599
rock sound. That they had, you know, I mean it's

910
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,239
it's driving, and I don't think there's anything on there

911
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,679
that doesn't that isn't a great song, you know. So

912
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:27,880
I'm not a fan of like the second album at all.

913
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,159
Like I bought it and listen to right, it didn't really

914
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,880
do anything for me. So that's that's the album you

915
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,559
listen to and then you go, I need to listen

916
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:37,519
to the first one now, you know that. It always

917
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:38,920
makes you go back to the early.

918
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:40,639
Speaker 2: More slump, that's what they call it.

919
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it is. And I think she got

920
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,400
a little I think she got I think the legendary

921
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,079
she got a little big for her britches with the

922
00:46:47,079 --> 00:46:49,239
second one. It was it was I think it was

923
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:50,679
kind of like, well, I'm gonna be the next Debbie

924
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:52,519
Harry and that did not happen.

925
00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, she was doing like they did the

926
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,039
US Festival that year, like what was it eighty three

927
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,320
or eighty two that the US Festival happen, And then

928
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,119
she was wearing that uh it was like these clear

929
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:05,800
cups that were.

930
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,119
Speaker 3: Like a yeah, I've seen that, I've seen you know.

931
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:11,199
Speaker 1: I mean, she was amazing back then. She was in hustler.

932
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,119
You know, I think it was a hustle that she

933
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:14,679
was in, and maybe it was a Wei I don't

934
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,719
remember which one it was. I have it whatever it is.

935
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: I said, you have it somewhere.

936
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's great. I mean, she's she's iconic. But yeah,

937
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,079
that's why I thought it was so funny that I

938
00:47:26,559 --> 00:47:29,400
actually asked Gentry. I was like, so you knew Missing

939
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,239
Persons before this movie, right, He was.

940
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: Like, the never King.

941
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:32,559
Speaker 3: I didn't, yeh.

942
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: They never crossed my path for some reason. Yeah, I

943
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,559
don't know.

944
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: I thought you might have heard words at the very least,

945
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,679
because words is like they're big.

946
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,039
Speaker 2: I don't think they're big hit.

947
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to how could nobody ever hear,

948
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:44,559
you know, walking in l A like that?

949
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,039
Speaker 3: Ye walking in LA So I mean.

950
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm I'm the old guy here, so maybe that

951
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,440
was like, you know, I'm older than you guys, so

952
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:55,480
maybe that was my bread and butter back then.

953
00:47:55,519 --> 00:47:58,320
Speaker 3: You know. It's so good, Yeah, I mean it is,

954
00:47:58,519 --> 00:47:59,920
but you're right, there is a drive to it. So

955
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,639
it is kind of a perfect mix of like new

956
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,719
wave with like the synth and the electros with punk,

957
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,280
the La punk. So it's like a mix of those

958
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,920
two sounds, and it doesn't sound poppy or edge.

959
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,079
Speaker 1: It's got some edge to it.

960
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know it's so good and I

961
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:18,559
love she gets to act in lunch Wagon. She's like

962
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:22,719
a total bitch. It's great. Oh yeah, she seems like

963
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,719
she's having a real blast. Yeah, I mean it's it

964
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,400
definitely has legs. I mean it's it's incredibly stupid, but

965
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,480
it's self awarely stupid, and I think that makes all

966
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:32,000
the difference.

967
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's got explosions, it's got kidnapping.

968
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,280
Speaker 3: There's a lot, and it's got naked playboy playmates. It

969
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:47,519
has a female bodybuilder, it has Rose Marie is a gangster. Yeah,

970
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:50,280
it's it's it's just really, it's so much fun. It's

971
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,039
so much fun. I'm glad you watched it because yeah.

972
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 2: I also watched a female response, which was it was

973
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,360
fun enough. Yeah, separates the worries of all these girls

974
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,840
that are in like one of those therapy session things.

975
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,800
Of course they have Jennifer Wells hers is at the

976
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,760
very end. They save her till the end, like she's.

977
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 3: Said, Yeah, she was the big the big star. Man.

978
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: I watched Ryan's pick Pecker. I had never seen the It's.

979
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 3: Really nice Ethol. Ladies come in, They're like they can

980
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:35,960
see you moving your mouth. That is I love that.

981
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of heart in that film. Yeah, it

982
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:40,239
really does.

983
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: And I think it's just maybe it's most heart warm.

984
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,119
It's shockingly heartwarming. It's out of all of his movies,

985
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:48,079
it's the one with the most heart, I think. Yeah.

986
00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 2: A lot of love for the you know, the weirdos.

987
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,800
Of course that's kind of his thing too.

988
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so dysfunctional family that you love.

989
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: The whole town is like family. Yeah, that kind of thing.

990
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: Marky places the mom is great and yeah, I'm like,

991
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,400
we need more of her and more John Waters movies.

992
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:10,320
She is very mixed stole in that she's very mixed

993
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:11,039
stolen Pecker.

994
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:17,639
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah. Is the stained Queen's.

995
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 3: Right at the laundromat Marta Clinton as the bartender at

996
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:25,320
the gay bar in that great wig. Yeah, it's just

997
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,719
like I need to rewatch it. I feel like it

998
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,840
has to be coming. They're making their way down the line.

999
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:35,039
Speaker 1: What's the name of the strip the lesbian strip club?

1000
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:36,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what is it?

1001
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: It's something?

1002
00:50:40,039 --> 00:50:42,079
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because it does have that like it's about

1003
00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:43,960
you that you have to peek at the muff, right.

1004
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:46,519
Speaker 1: It's like something about pelt or something like that, or

1005
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,440
the muff diver or something like that.

1006
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:49,639
Speaker 5: Like it.

1007
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 3: It's something very niche for John Waters. John Waters loves

1008
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,280
all of that slang, so he's very good about naming stuff.

1009
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm upset that I don't think we're ever

1010
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:01,800
going to see a new John Waters movie.

1011
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,320
Speaker 3: I keep hearing Aubrey Plaza is supposed to be in

1012
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,639
the new one that he's trying to make money for,

1013
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,480
and that's kind of the best possible person working right

1014
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:11,519
now to be in that movie. She's bringing Christina Ricci

1015
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:12,760
vibes from Mike Pecker.

1016
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: Well, I got a major crush on Aubrey Plaza, so

1017
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,280
I'll watch it anyways.

1018
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, I love it.

1019
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,119
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean it's I mean since what

1020
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,280
Dirty Shame.

1021
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:28,159
Speaker 3: Like where like twenty two years Yeah, it's yeah, it's uh,

1022
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,519
you know, we need some more John Waters, you know, yeah,

1023
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,440
better than that one, because the second half of that sucks.

1024
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:38,760
But you know, I love everything up until the Johnny

1025
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,719
Knoxville bullshit. Everything else around it is great.

1026
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:44,199
Speaker 1: It kind of bothers me that it seems like he

1027
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,400
was the reason why that movie got made. Yes, like

1028
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,480
kind of like once he kind of like attached himself

1029
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,920
to it, then they were able to get the budget

1030
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,800
and do it. You know, like I very that I

1031
00:51:53,079 --> 00:51:59,519
don't necessarily put a lot of you know, it's Johnny Knoxville, Like.

1032
00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 3: Yeah right, I mean, you know, because I guess Tracy

1033
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,360
having Tracy Aldman and Chris Isaac wasn't enough. You need it.

1034
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,159
You I want to have Tracy Almond asking Chris Isaac

1035
00:52:10,199 --> 00:52:12,639
if she if he wanted to have Funch, wasn't gonna

1036
00:52:12,679 --> 00:52:16,159
get fund Johnny Knoxville.

1037
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 2: He like dates the movie too with Johnny. It does there, yeah,

1038
00:52:20,599 --> 00:52:21,000
it does.

1039
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,559
Speaker 3: But John Water said that around the time, he's like, well,

1040
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:26,039
you know Jackasses, and he was in Jackass too. He

1041
00:52:26,119 --> 00:52:29,000
played like a magician in like disappearing act for the

1042
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:33,559
fact I jumped on Weiman or whatever and uh don't yes, yes,

1043
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,280
the listeners, I am a fan of Jackass. Yes, I

1044
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,840
own the first two movies. Uh yeah, I think he

1045
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,599
said the Jackasses look like a continuation of pink Flamingoes

1046
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:44,960
or it really is like let's see how much six

1047
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,280
ship we can do just for fun. So he really

1048
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,920
was just like the shock value, you know, which is

1049
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,519
what he's mostly about. So it makes sense, but it

1050
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:56,360
also just like the writing around it sucks, like I

1051
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:58,360
would have just folk. I would have liked to just

1052
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,800
prefer to focus on I see Almond being a sex

1053
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,480
meaning at sex meaning after she hit her head. That

1054
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:07,440
was more than enough for me and her daughter Selmie

1055
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,599
Blair with the giant kids that she had to keep

1056
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,719
locked in her room because the dance all over town. Yeah,

1057
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,400
like there's enough there without the Johnny Knoxville and the

1058
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:20,840
sex cult thing, like I didn't need any of that. Yeah, anyway,

1059
00:53:21,159 --> 00:53:26,519
John waters pod has ended literally, yeah I could. I

1060
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:27,360
could do a John.

1061
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 2: Waters pod that yeah, cruro so I also Yeah, and

1062
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:35,159
then I finally watched my pick, Give Us Our Daily

1063
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,559
Sex or El Periscopio, that Jose LaaS movie which was

1064
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,800
sent to Yeah, John Charles actually hooked me up with

1065
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,679
a John Charles Thanks again, John, And I can maybe

1066
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,360
kind of see why this hasn't been put out because

1067
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,800
there is questionable scenes with.

1068
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: A young boy that maybe, oh is it a Queen

1069
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,559
of Soada situation, but with a dude, I mean it's

1070
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:03,599
clear that the boy probably wasn't in the scene when

1071
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:07,559
this was happening, certain things happening. Hey, but also the

1072
00:54:07,639 --> 00:54:10,519
version that John Charles sent has like inserts, so it's

1073
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:15,360
very awkward, like the obvious insert of like a dick.

1074
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 2: That's supposed to be a little boy's dick, but it's.

1075
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:22,199
Speaker 3: Like, oh gentry what, oh god, what what are you

1076
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:26,880
talking about? Oh my god, this is horrible. It's that

1077
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,000
reminds me of how the director of Teenage Chitchackers made

1078
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,480
it will be Barbie's Fantasy? Have you seen that? Mark?

1079
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:32,159
Speaker 4: No?

1080
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

1081
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:33,800
Speaker 5: No.

1082
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,039
Speaker 3: Jim Holliday says it's the best movie with an underage

1083
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:40,440
sex scene where it is a like literally a twelve

1084
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,679
year old boy that has sex and his face is

1085
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,480
never shown, so we don't know who that boy was.

1086
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:48,239
But it only has ever come out on BHS. No

1087
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:49,880
one else should ever put it out. The guy who

1088
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,719
directed Teenage Chitchackers did it terrible. So yeah, it's not

1089
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,559
just it's not just girls we have to worry about

1090
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:56,159
in these things.

1091
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not something that would pursue anyway.

1092
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:03,199
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, but hey, Laura Gemser, Yeah, she

1093
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,360
is very Laura Gemser.

1094
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,599
Speaker 2: If you like Laura Gamser, she's a nurse. There you go,

1095
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:10,079
let's move on.

1096
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,199
Speaker 3: I have a question, but I didn't see any of

1097
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,079
my movies get any spotlight posts on the Instagram for

1098
00:55:18,119 --> 00:55:19,400
the past two weeks.

1099
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,159
Speaker 2: Because I haven't seen student nurses yet, because you didn't

1100
00:55:24,159 --> 00:55:24,760
send it to me.

1101
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,639
Speaker 3: No, because you know why. The version that okay, this

1102
00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:31,599
this the credit sequence that I sent you speaking of

1103
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:34,840
AI is from a bullshit AI upscale version that I

1104
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,039
had to download to cut the screen credits to send

1105
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:40,360
to you for an audio drop. But that was an

1106
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,119
AI Upscale. I don't have any other version of that

1107
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:45,320
because I sold my DVD years ago and now it's

1108
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,800
very expensive, so I don't actually own my number one

1109
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:48,599
pick on that list.

1110
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 2: You know what, I do have a clip of a

1111
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:55,639
very funny clip from lunch Wagon that I'm going to post. Okay, okay, good. Yeah.

1112
00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:58,119
Speaker 3: I was like, damn, my pick sucks.

1113
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:02,559
Speaker 2: No, they didn't. I just okay.

1114
00:56:03,039 --> 00:56:06,039
Speaker 3: I was like, damn gentry, Oh my gosh, this is

1115
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,000
what happens when I put too much put too much

1116
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:09,480
pressure on you to run the Instagram.

1117
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:15,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, who's your friend? My name is Miller, and I'd

1118
00:56:15,639 --> 00:56:20,320
like to ask you a favor. Anything you say gorgeous.

1119
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 3: Fuck me, what a woman.

1120
00:56:32,639 --> 00:56:35,639
Speaker 2: Well, before we get into massage parlor, I mean we

1121
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,679
touched on ultra flesh a bit, but you know, let

1122
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,280
us gush gush a little bit more here because I

1123
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,239
would just want to say, I think the commentary track

1124
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,159
might be so far the best commentary track, my favorite

1125
00:56:48,199 --> 00:56:50,920
that I've listened to this year, just because you and

1126
00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:55,039
all of them that mark you and Serena just have

1127
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,599
like you've said to us off pod, like and you've

1128
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:00,960
said on the Disconnected show that I listened to. You know,

1129
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,039
you guys are really clobose. You know, you consider her

1130
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,039
like family, and she's like your auntie. You guys have

1131
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:09,719
such a good rapport that you can tell. You guys

1132
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,079
are comfortable with each other so you can talk about everything.

1133
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Serena is not very shy about anything,

1134
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:24,800
you know. And you know, magic of Facebook fifteen years

1135
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,760
ago or so, you know, connected with her online and

1136
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,039
you know, like the first time that we met was

1137
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,159
around the time that her book Bright Lights Lonely Nights

1138
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,920
came out and used to be the center for sex.

1139
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,199
Speaker 3: Can you see it? Yeah, no, I having this image. Yeah,

1140
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:44,719
it's good to have a signed copy.

1141
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they would have these events at the Center

1142
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:51,280
for Sex and Culture in San Francisco, which unfortunately is

1143
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:55,039
no longer a physical space because the rent was too

1144
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:58,159
high and they had to you know, close down the facility.

1145
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,639
But there would be events out there where they would

1146
00:58:00,639 --> 00:58:03,199
have like a there was a tribute to Gloria Leonard

1147
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:05,719
when Gloria passed. It was a tribute to Candido Royale

1148
00:58:05,719 --> 00:58:09,639
when she passed. When somebody's book would come out, you know,

1149
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:12,159
Serena came and she had an event for her book.

1150
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,320
Richard Pacheco did one for his book Hindsight, which is

1151
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:21,719
probably the best book the adult industry and relationships within

1152
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,000
the adult industry and just life that you're ever going

1153
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:28,480
to read. The only thing better than reading Hindsight is

1154
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:32,920
getting the audio book to have Richard Pracheco read to

1155
00:58:33,039 --> 00:58:33,880
you his book.

1156
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:38,119
Speaker 3: I cannot recommend that enough. Like I love that man.

1157
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,480
I loved Howie so much. Oh yeah, that book is yeah,

1158
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:45,519
you know, I yeah, I he always anytime I post

1159
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:47,760
that on Facebook, he's like, thank you, go find it

1160
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,119
and he posts a link under him like, yes, people,

1161
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:52,320
everyone should own this book. You got Whoopie Goldberg to

1162
00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:54,519
write the goddamn forward the introduction.

1163
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the first time I met Howie was Howie

1164
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:02,760
Gordon Richard Pacheco. Because he lives in in Berkeley. I'm

1165
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,480
in Sacramento, so it's close, you know, two hour drive,

1166
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:07,639
half an hour and a half drive. The first time

1167
00:59:07,679 --> 00:59:10,800
I met him, we went and saw Lovelace together. So

1168
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:14,360
that's because I wanted to go see the movie with

1169
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,840
somebody who worked with Gerard Domiano, just to have some

1170
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:22,199
some you know, true perspective on you know, he obviously

1171
00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:23,880
wasn't there when Deep Throat was made and all that

1172
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,480
kind of stuff. But just like, you know, let's talk

1173
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:29,679
about Domiano and just fell in love with Howie and

1174
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,280
his wife. And this is how the anti thing comes around,

1175
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:37,639
because there was a My wife had bought us tickets

1176
00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,960
to go see Billy Joel. I love Billy Joel. So

1177
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,400
we went to it was like whatever the Giant Stadium

1178
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,480
is or whatever in San Francisco. And so when we're

1179
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:48,320
going to the concert, we had Serena and her husband

1180
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,559
Paul meet us for dinner before the concert, and you know,

1181
00:59:53,559 --> 00:59:55,239
we'd already seen each other a couple of times at

1182
00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:57,159
the events at Center for Sex and Culture. But this

1183
00:59:57,239 --> 00:59:58,679
is kind of like our first time just you know,

1184
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,920
being alone with each other, and you know, at dinner,

1185
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,159
and I had mentioned that I just I love Howie

1186
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:06,719
and I love his wife that like I tell them

1187
01:00:06,719 --> 01:00:08,480
all the time that I want to adopt them as

1188
01:00:08,519 --> 01:00:12,320
my parents, you know, And and then Serena was like, well,

1189
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,039
well then what would I be? Can I like be

1190
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:17,519
your auntie? You know, and so like it just became

1191
01:00:17,559 --> 01:00:20,199
this like running joke where I call her auntie and

1192
01:00:20,239 --> 01:00:22,360
she calls me nephew. She called, you know, give my

1193
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:25,159
niece a hug, she says about my wife, and you know,

1194
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,760
and and just that friendship blossom from there, and you know,

1195
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,599
she's coming and stayed weekends at our house a couple

1196
01:00:31,639 --> 01:00:34,360
of times, and you know, spend a birthday here, and

1197
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,679
and uh, you know, we just cultivated like that, that

1198
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,639
close relationship where we just consider each other family. I

1199
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:43,079
hope and it sounds like that that came through in

1200
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,039
our commentary that we can you know, we can talk freely.

1201
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:49,679
It's she's she's not embarrassed about anything that she's ever done.

1202
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,519
So and I hope that that rapport that we have

1203
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:56,800
comes through. And of course there's a volume two that's

1204
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,119
going to have another two and a half hours of

1205
01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:01,559
our commentary. I mean we sat there for like four

1206
01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:05,480
days back in March and went through, uh, you know,

1207
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,840
a lot of her stuff and and spent a lot

1208
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:12,000
of time watching uh, Law and Order SVU in her downtime,

1209
01:01:12,119 --> 01:01:14,519
you know, because she loves that show and doesn't get

1210
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:15,400
to look at that much.

1211
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: And I love how much she loves watching herself from

1212
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:23,719
that time period. You know, it's just really refreshing.

1213
01:01:24,159 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's it's fun to hear her, like,

1214
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:28,880
you know. I think there's even a part where there's

1215
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:32,199
one called Rabbit Test, so I mentioned in the commentary.

1216
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:33,920
It's like one of my basically like one of my

1217
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,199
old time favorite loops. It's her, her and Mike Ranger,

1218
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,320
and uh there's a moment where we're both just silent

1219
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,559
and we realize that we're just like totally just like

1220
01:01:41,639 --> 01:01:44,599
in engrossed in this and we're watching this and uh,

1221
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,599
you know, she's she's she definitely wasn't wasn't shy. She's

1222
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:51,480
not shy now, you know, And I love that about her.

1223
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:54,920
She has this this sort of like innocent abandon about

1224
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:58,360
her that that she just seems so so childlike but

1225
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:02,679
mature at the same time. And then that's always right

1226
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,960
and so so and to go back to that title.

1227
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,199
And she laughed about that, because what I'm doing with

1228
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:13,400
these these uh, you know, star focused additions that I'm

1229
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,400
doing with you know, with the actresses themselves, is I

1230
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:19,639
asked them, all, you know, give me one word that

1231
01:02:19,719 --> 01:02:23,480
describes you, what word best describes you? And so she

1232
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:26,119
said effervescent. She didn't realize that that's what I was

1233
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:29,320
going to use as the title of of her, you know,

1234
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,239
her release, and she kind of laughed about, oh, you're

1235
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,079
using that as the title, you know. And I asked

1236
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:37,320
them what what their favorite color is too, so like

1237
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:41,000
Leslie Winston wild heart, like that's how she describes herself,

1238
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:43,840
you know, in purple was her favorite color. So I've

1239
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,800
made you know, so I'm trying to add a little

1240
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,800
bit of personalization to this, even though no one even

1241
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,320
realizes that, you know, effervescent might sound like a weird

1242
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,280
thing to name your release, but.

1243
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1244
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,519
Speaker 1: I love it's it. That's how she described herself. And

1245
01:02:59,559 --> 01:03:01,599
I think that I was fitting.

1246
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so why not?

1247
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: But I hope people will enjoy it. There was a

1248
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:09,880
lot of work involved in that. The volume two won't

1249
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,519
be out until sometime probably later next year. You know,

1250
01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:14,079
I want to let this one sell out and do

1251
01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:19,039
some other releases as well. And the initial like the NUNDERD,

1252
01:03:19,199 --> 01:03:22,599
they're all individually numbered, so one through fifty is like

1253
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,039
kind of like the special special edition. Uh, we do

1254
01:03:26,119 --> 01:03:30,800
signature cards, so for for this one. For for Effervescent

1255
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,079
volume one, there was kind of like a little art

1256
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:35,480
card pack that came with them, where it was like

1257
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:37,840
five cards with posters of her on it and like

1258
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,639
the cast details on the back and one card that

1259
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,320
was her signature and with a little band around it.

1260
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:48,920
This says Effervescent to hold it all together. I won't

1261
01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:51,199
say what the special thing is going to be for

1262
01:03:51,239 --> 01:03:52,719
the next one because I don't want to let the

1263
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,119
cat out of the bag yet. But there won't be

1264
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,639
a signature card for volume two because that's a little

1265
01:03:57,639 --> 01:04:00,840
bit redundant. If you already got volume one, you're just

1266
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,079
giving like what's the difference. So there will be something,

1267
01:04:04,639 --> 01:04:07,480
and not only will it be special, but all fifty

1268
01:04:07,639 --> 01:04:10,960
of those will be special. None of them will be

1269
01:04:11,239 --> 01:04:12,119
exactly the same.

1270
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: Something from we are talking to the man who made

1271
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:19,719
the only Lucio Fulci bobblehead who knows what he's doing.

1272
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:23,079
When it comes to the manufacturing and the details. I

1273
01:04:23,119 --> 01:04:23,480
love it.

1274
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 3: I love so great.

1275
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,519
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you something before we, you know,

1276
01:04:29,159 --> 01:04:32,880
move on too far. I noticed that there's not a

1277
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,239
lot of fetish loops. I was wondering if you were

1278
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:39,760
saving those. I mean, assume they exist, right.

1279
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,519
Speaker 1: So she has at least in my research, I think

1280
01:04:43,559 --> 01:04:47,400
I've tracked about something like ninety five or ninety eight loops.

1281
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,960
And as you guys know, especially in this arena, when

1282
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,119
you're going with these loops, there's never any castor credits

1283
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:57,679
or anything. Sometimes you just get up. Most of the time,

1284
01:04:58,639 --> 01:05:01,559
especially when they're more obscure, you're getting a blank box

1285
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,599
with no details on it at all. It might just

1286
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:07,320
say something like a couple of initials and a number

1287
01:05:07,559 --> 01:05:10,320
to try to indicate like what the company potentially may

1288
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:12,679
be in which you know, number of release.

1289
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:13,159
Speaker 2: This is.

1290
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:17,599
Speaker 1: So there's a there's when I say that I've that

1291
01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:21,719
I've categorized, you know, like you know, there's I there's

1292
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,320
possibilities that I have loops of people that I don't

1293
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:26,480
even know that I haven't got that I haven't got

1294
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:28,920
to you. Obviously, I haven't gone through seventy five hundred

1295
01:05:29,159 --> 01:05:31,480
of these these things, you know, I'm I dig them

1296
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,599
out when when I need to access them, and I

1297
01:05:33,639 --> 01:05:36,159
see what I've gotten and we go from there. So

1298
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:41,199
I'm constantly building a spreadsheet where I'm even if it's

1299
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:43,400
somebody that I doesn't even have a name, you know,

1300
01:05:43,519 --> 01:05:45,679
could be well, this person, this is the same person

1301
01:05:45,719 --> 01:05:47,599
that's in this loop, and I have, you know, and

1302
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:49,960
I'm putting it in next to the notes with every

1303
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,840
single loop that they've been in, trying to just at least,

1304
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,960
you know, build some kind type of a filmography. But

1305
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,039
when it comes to her fetish stuff, she did a

1306
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:02,199
lot of stuff for a company called Tao Productions Tao

1307
01:06:02,719 --> 01:06:06,960
oh yes, yeah, and those have the ones with her

1308
01:06:07,079 --> 01:06:10,280
have been pretty difficult for me to find. I do

1309
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:14,119
have a handful of her like kind of female wrestling

1310
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,360
fighting ones, and there'll be two of those on the

1311
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,760
next volume. It's going to start out with one and

1312
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,000
then they'll also be one as a bonus. They were all,

1313
01:06:24,199 --> 01:06:28,519
you know, in the mid seventies, and the tow stuff

1314
01:06:28,519 --> 01:06:30,039
has been hard for me to get a hold of.

1315
01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:33,639
I think Tao did maybe like one hundred or so

1316
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,960
titles and I have maybe thirty or forty of them.

1317
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,960
But unfortunately, all the stuff that I have and not

1318
01:06:42,039 --> 01:06:44,760
anything that she was in. So there's a couple of

1319
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,679
things that she did for House of Milan that are

1320
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:50,599
like spanking and other things, and again those House of

1321
01:06:50,639 --> 01:06:53,760
Milan are oftentimes hard to get a hold of. I mean,

1322
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,719
I do have a large collection of stuff, but I

1323
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,840
don't have like everything that you know, House Milan did.

1324
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if you were like saving them to

1325
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:04,480
do like a fetish only release because you know a

1326
01:07:04,519 --> 01:07:06,360
lot of people know Serena for our fetish.

1327
01:07:06,199 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: Work, and maybe there'll be a volume three if I

1328
01:07:08,599 --> 01:07:11,519
you know, come up with with more stuff, you know,

1329
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:14,480
and it's it's been uh uh. There's When it comes

1330
01:07:14,519 --> 01:07:17,239
to collecting, there's kind of a weird most I don't

1331
01:07:17,239 --> 01:07:18,679
know if weird is the proper term, but it's a

1332
01:07:18,719 --> 01:07:24,400
little bit different now than it was years ago. Mostly

1333
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,760
now because I was buying like people's collections, you know,

1334
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:30,280
I'd buy three, four or five, six, seven hundred loops

1335
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:32,639
off of people other dealers that were just like they

1336
01:07:32,639 --> 01:07:34,800
didn't want to do, you know, they didn't want to

1337
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,239
deal with it anymore they were they were closing down

1338
01:07:37,239 --> 01:07:40,159
shop or whatever, and you know, I would get massive amount.

1339
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:44,039
I'd get like car loads worth of stuff. So and actually,

1340
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:47,119
in the course of about maybe two and a half years,

1341
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:51,079
I like quadrupled my collection because as I started doing this,

1342
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,400
I sort of got known a little bit for for

1343
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:56,679
doing this. And then it it wasn't so so much

1344
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,800
as me having to seek out stuff. It was people

1345
01:08:00,199 --> 01:08:03,119
to me, say yeah, people coming to me saying, I

1346
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:05,440
know somebody who's who's you know, got a bunch of

1347
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:07,159
stuff or whatnot.

1348
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,239
Speaker 3: I still have someone I tried to connect with you,

1349
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,480
and I'm let me guess they still have a connected video.

1350
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: No, but uh uh, you know it, it's a little

1351
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:18,840
bit overwhelming all the stuff that I have, because part

1352
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,640
of it is is my O C D and my

1353
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,760
A D D and and just the idea that I

1354
01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:26,760
don't know what I have. So that drives me nuts

1355
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:29,399
because I you know, it could be something like maybe

1356
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,600
I do have some of Serena's uh you know, bondage films,

1357
01:08:32,600 --> 01:08:35,239
they're just maybe mislabeled in a box, or the box

1358
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,520
has nothing on it, or I don't have it. Maybe

1359
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,840
the maybe the opening of the film was trimmed off,

1360
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,039
so I can't see what the uh what, you know,

1361
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:45,960
what was written on the head to identify you know,

1362
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:48,640
I'm not going to sit around and wind movies to

1363
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,760
the tail to see what what the details are, you know,

1364
01:08:52,279 --> 01:08:56,039
just you know. So, so I have this massive spreadsheet

1365
01:08:56,119 --> 01:08:58,720
of things that I have and things that I know about.

1366
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:02,840
I think there's about fifteen thousand titles on my spreadsheet,

1367
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,039
and then I just notate what I physically have, and

1368
01:09:06,119 --> 01:09:08,720
you know, an indicator. It basically everything's in boxes, you know,

1369
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,960
numbered boxes, and then I just when I need it,

1370
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,000
I go grab that box and I you know, fish

1371
01:09:13,079 --> 01:09:16,000
it out of there. And it's it's a lot to

1372
01:09:16,079 --> 01:09:19,079
deal with. You know. I also have I'm sure over

1373
01:09:19,119 --> 01:09:22,600
eight thousand magazines to sort through, and you know, in

1374
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,000
my ultimate goal, I wish that everything would be of

1375
01:09:26,039 --> 01:09:29,920
course cataloged to you know, page number, or I could

1376
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:31,960
just go like, you know, Serena's on page this in

1377
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:37,680
this magazine, which of course, of course is a impossible goal.

1378
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,680
You know, if I was a you know, a billionaire

1379
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,039
and I could pay a bunch of people to come

1380
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:43,359
do that, yeah, that'd be great, but that's never going

1381
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:46,560
to happen. So it's it's oftentimes it's a lot of

1382
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,880
searching through things just to find to find stuff, and

1383
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:52,000
hopefully I get more of her stuff because I am.

1384
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,199
It bothers me that I don't have her you know,

1385
01:09:55,279 --> 01:09:57,720
bondage titles that she did. I do have a lot

1386
01:09:57,720 --> 01:09:59,720
of her magazines, and she did a lot of.

1387
01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: That work, a lot of great magazine photos. And you're

1388
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:03,880
in the special features.

1389
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:04,119
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1390
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:08,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wanted I wanted her photo gallery in

1391
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:11,119
this one to have some you know, continuity. So because

1392
01:10:11,159 --> 01:10:13,960
we spent a couple of days just looking at her magazines,

1393
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,119
you know, and uh, you know, she loved it. She

1394
01:10:17,279 --> 01:10:19,840
was just like a lot of stuff she didn't remember,

1395
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:21,920
you know. She had just be like, oh my god,

1396
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:23,800
look how cute I am, and you know, and and

1397
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:27,600
just like admiring herself and and and the uh I

1398
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:32,880
think I came with two magazine boxes full of just

1399
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:36,600
her her stuff, you know, in piles of posters and things,

1400
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:40,119
and and she just was like, I didn't have any

1401
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:41,399
idea I did that much stuff.

1402
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 3: You know, I didn't either until I looked at this

1403
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:46,159
magazine gallery on the Blu Ray. I was just like

1404
01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,800
Jesus Christ. She really was everywhere and and that's worked NonStop.

1405
01:10:51,199 --> 01:10:54,239
Speaker 1: That's of course not complete. You know, there's other magazines

1406
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:56,000
out there that that she's on the cover of that

1407
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:58,600
that I don't have, you know, and I I tried

1408
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,239
to put them inside some type of chronology or you

1409
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:04,399
know where it starts out with like early stuff and

1410
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:06,479
uh you know, maybe moved like a section where she

1411
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,079
was doing bondage because uh, she she mentioned because because

1412
01:11:11,079 --> 01:11:13,399
her her career kind of happened pretty quickly, like she

1413
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,319
in her mind, it seemed like it was a long

1414
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:17,199
time because she did a lot of work in a

1415
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:21,199
short period of time. But she went from you know, photography,

1416
01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:26,560
you know, doing modeling into film, softcore film. I'm making

1417
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,880
a guess probably within like six seven months, you know.

1418
01:11:30,199 --> 01:11:33,640
And when you look at those magazine covers, there's a

1419
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,199
lot of them where she's got wigs on, and you

1420
01:11:36,239 --> 01:11:38,920
know that was something that would happen, uh, you know,

1421
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:42,199
primarily in the seventies because you'd get a new model

1422
01:11:42,399 --> 01:11:44,000
and everybody would want to shoot them. You know, they

1423
01:11:44,039 --> 01:11:45,800
say they get shot out in a couple of months,

1424
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:48,920
because every photographer in town has now shot them. They've

1425
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,039
appeared in every magazine. So as a corny way to

1426
01:11:52,079 --> 01:11:54,399
try to cover that up, they would put different put

1427
01:11:54,399 --> 01:11:57,239
wigs on, you know. And that's why every magazine would

1428
01:11:57,279 --> 01:11:59,159
have like a different name, because it would seem like

1429
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:02,479
it was somebody different. Uh, there were some stuff that

1430
01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:05,840
that is labeled as Serena. I mean that's her, that's

1431
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:08,279
her real name, so it's not like a pseudonym. So

1432
01:12:08,319 --> 01:12:10,239
she she would use her real name in some things,

1433
01:12:10,239 --> 01:12:13,159
but most of the magazine shoots either didn't or the

1434
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:16,560
publications either didn't include a name or be some fake name,

1435
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,439
you know, with some bogus story that went behind it

1436
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,680
of what you know, a photo shoot was about or whatnot.

1437
01:12:22,119 --> 01:12:25,319
But you know, she was really prolific in that she

1438
01:12:25,319 --> 01:12:28,239
she enjoyed the bondage stuff. She said she was very

1439
01:12:28,239 --> 01:12:31,560
surprised to learn that it was very comforting to her,

1440
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:35,680
Like she felt very relaxed. It was almost serene for

1441
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:40,359
her to just be bound and in that moment. And

1442
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:43,920
and and a lot of her stuff too looks looks factual.

1443
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:46,960
And I say that with with bondage because you can

1444
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,439
look at magazines where you know, they have a chain

1445
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:51,840
around them and it's like it's not even attached anything

1446
01:12:52,039 --> 01:12:54,920
or or you know, someone's some I have one. It's

1447
01:12:55,039 --> 01:12:57,680
that's a bunch of these girls that are supposed to

1448
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,600
be tied up against the wall, and one of the

1449
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,199
girls simply just raising her arms up as if she

1450
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,119
was tied, but there's not even a rope around her

1451
01:13:05,119 --> 01:13:08,600
wrists or you know, like it's just so like fake

1452
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:12,399
and photo phony and you know, and uh but yeah

1453
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:16,319
and and uh you know, having some photos interspersed in

1454
01:13:16,399 --> 01:13:19,880
there in the photo gallery of her holding those magazines.

1455
01:13:20,119 --> 01:13:23,760
You know, what I thought was a was an interesting

1456
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:26,079
and kind of welcome treat, you know. And it's not

1457
01:13:26,159 --> 01:13:29,119
so much that you know, she's not hiding from being

1458
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:31,239
Serena or.

1459
01:13:31,199 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 2: Who she is now. It's just like this is who

1460
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:36,720
I exactly, you know, look exactly, this is life like

1461
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,640
we all age like to be ashamed of there either,

1462
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:41,159
you know.

1463
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I can't guess about her anymore than you

1464
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:47,960
know I have. I just I just love her to death,

1465
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:51,119
you know, like she's she's just a sweetheart. And you know,

1466
01:13:51,399 --> 01:13:53,399
I love the fact that that you know, we consider

1467
01:13:53,399 --> 01:13:55,319
each other family. I mean, my wife's dyed her hair,

1468
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:58,319
you know, like I mean, it's it's like that's that's

1469
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:01,000
that's the level of you know, I love that we

1470
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:01,680
have for each other.

1471
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1472
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,239
Speaker 4: What my cherry, I already got it.

1473
01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:07,239
Speaker 2: Have another.

1474
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: I like the first one.

1475
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:15,640
Speaker 2: There well, like I said, yeah, it comes across in

1476
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,520
that commentary and I thought it was amazing. Yeah, I

1477
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,359
loved it. But you know, I said at the beginning,

1478
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,399
like this was early Serena in this movie Massage Parlor Wife.

1479
01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:29,199
Do you know much about like where she was nineteen

1480
01:14:29,239 --> 01:14:33,399
seventy four, like in terms of like how much magazine

1481
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:36,319
work she had done prior, Like where is she in

1482
01:14:36,359 --> 01:14:37,399
her life at this point?

1483
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:41,359
Speaker 1: This is probably about the same that I said, you know,

1484
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:45,239
six seven months, seven eight months you know into her career,

1485
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,039
and she pretty much went full bore into it. You know,

1486
01:14:49,119 --> 01:14:51,800
she was she had been working at was Bob's Big Boy,

1487
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:57,239
a restaurant down Athink in Burbank, and once she started

1488
01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:00,000
doing some photo shoots. It's the same story you've heard

1489
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:02,000
from everybody that gets into the business, you know, like

1490
01:15:02,039 --> 01:15:03,720
I did one photo shoot and I made a week's

1491
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,079
worth of pay that I had, you know, at at

1492
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:09,479
whatever waitressing job or office job that I was doing.

1493
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,399
So and then she got hooked up with how Gothu

1494
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:17,840
as a as a an agent. I actually spoke to

1495
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:19,800
her a little bit more about this movie last night

1496
01:15:20,359 --> 01:15:23,319
and trying to determine, you know, how she got involved

1497
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:26,960
in it, and she she did not know who Harry

1498
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:32,840
Novak was. So so my guess, my guess, and you know,

1499
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,960
she she she's basically agreeing with me, although she just

1500
01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:40,439
agreeing with me, you know, was that she that it was?

1501
01:15:40,800 --> 01:15:45,319
Do you know, casey, if if if Harry Novak cast

1502
01:15:45,359 --> 01:15:48,239
people through hal Gathu, because I think that's so that's

1503
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:54,079
how Yeah, absolutely so, So I think that's just the

1504
01:15:54,119 --> 01:15:58,039
connection of of Novak, you know, having the connection with

1505
01:15:58,079 --> 01:16:01,399
hal Gathu and then calling yeah, and what's his name,

1506
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:05,199
Spinolo and just saying like, here's here's your star, you know, here,

1507
01:16:05,239 --> 01:16:06,359
here's your star of the movie.

1508
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:10,399
Speaker 3: Right. That's interesting though, that that's kind of what happened

1509
01:16:10,479 --> 01:16:13,880
because Spinella was based in San Francisco at that time,

1510
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,279
So I don't know why he wouldn't think that there

1511
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:19,800
would be someone at San Francisco that would be available

1512
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:22,439
to make this film. But you know, I don't know,

1513
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:24,960
that's no back, so who knows.

1514
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 2: That's a comforting story to me, because yeah, when I

1515
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,079
had heard from Barry this this story of how you

1516
01:16:32,119 --> 01:16:35,399
know he had already cast someone for it, and then

1517
01:16:35,720 --> 01:16:39,159
Harry Novak called and said, hey, fire that girl. I've

1518
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,960
got the girl for you. You know, my mind went

1519
01:16:42,039 --> 01:16:45,119
to like dark places, like what's the story. Here's this

1520
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:48,199
a casting couch situation with Harry and Serena. But the

1521
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:49,880
fact that I remember him.

1522
01:16:49,800 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 3: I absolutely don't see that being the case. I don't

1523
01:16:52,199 --> 01:16:54,359
I don't see I don't see Serena doing that. Would you?

1524
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:56,760
I didn't either, But yeah, I don't know.

1525
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 2: Maybe my mind goes to please you.

1526
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,920
Speaker 3: Know, Serena's arena, I got. I get that because Serena

1527
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:07,359
is someone that just naturally you feel protective of, just

1528
01:17:07,359 --> 01:17:11,920
because she has that persona and kind of that vibe

1529
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:16,119
where it's like there's something very precious about her. No,

1530
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:17,880
I don't want her to be in a situation, but

1531
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:20,359
she would not have she wouldn't have done that.

1532
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:22,600
Speaker 1: No, And I don't think that that. I think it's

1533
01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:27,960
just the simplicity of maybe maybe Harry Novak, you know,

1534
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,199
uh went down to Hal's or how came over and said,

1535
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:32,840
here's some of the new girls I got. You know,

1536
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,000
do you want to Castle maybe, and he just saw

1537
01:17:35,039 --> 01:17:37,720
that picture of Serena and was like, that's that. That's

1538
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:40,920
a girl that I want in this movie. And Spinola's

1539
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,199
is like, well, okay, you know you're the boss. You're

1540
01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:45,159
the one paying for it, so I don't really have

1541
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:46,319
a choice at this point.

1542
01:17:47,039 --> 01:17:47,600
Speaker 3: Pretty much.

1543
01:17:48,039 --> 01:17:50,279
Speaker 1: She did mention, and I don't know if if this

1544
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:53,760
is specific to this movie, but she she thought that

1545
01:17:53,880 --> 01:17:56,439
in this one that there were some scenes that were

1546
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:59,760
shot in a in a whorehouse, and she said that

1547
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:02,760
that I could believe it that they were that the

1548
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,680
girls in the movie were propositioned if they wanted a

1549
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,640
whoror at the whorehouse, you know, like like yeah, okay,

1550
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,560
you shot your scene here today, Like do you want

1551
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:13,720
to work the night? You know?

1552
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:21,039
Speaker 3: Like interesting, well, San Francisco, who knows? You never know, Yeah,

1553
01:18:21,119 --> 01:18:24,680
I don't know. I believe that. I believe that she.

1554
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 2: Didn't remember like the oil, the olive oil being poured

1555
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:28,520
all over her.

1556
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:30,279
Speaker 3: She didn't.

1557
01:18:30,319 --> 01:18:32,520
Speaker 1: She didn't mention any of that stuff. And you know,

1558
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:36,560
I mean, this stuff seems very specific to us, but

1559
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,439
it's it's something that that you know, a lot of

1560
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:42,760
these people, I'm sure forgot about a week after they

1561
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,399
a week after they did this, you know, Like you know,

1562
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,079
and Serena does have some some issues with her with

1563
01:18:48,119 --> 01:18:50,840
her memory. Uh, a lot of it is still pretty sharp,

1564
01:18:51,399 --> 01:18:53,800
but you know, she did have that month long coma

1565
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:56,680
years ago and she kind of when she came out

1566
01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:59,600
of it, she pretty much had amnesia and has been,

1567
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:04,720
you know, recapturing her memories ever since then. Although she's

1568
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:06,920
you know, they are pretty clear and she's got most

1569
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:09,359
of them back. But yeah, again, you you have you

1570
01:19:09,399 --> 01:19:12,279
have these people that that went from job to job

1571
01:19:12,319 --> 01:19:15,479
to job probably every day, it's probably sometimes two times

1572
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:18,000
a day, you know, and it just it starts to

1573
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:18,520
blend in.

1574
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again we're talking.

1575
01:19:20,359 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 1: Fifty fifty years ago, you know.

1576
01:19:22,279 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 3: Yes, and I've said that, I've told you that in

1577
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:26,920
the past, gener we're talking about a weekend at most

1578
01:19:27,359 --> 01:19:29,840
in someone's life. They're not You're they're not going to

1579
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,800
remember what they did on Saturday and Sunday in May

1580
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:35,640
nineteen seventy five. Like, yeah, that's just not that's not

1581
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,399
going to happen. That There are specific cast members you

1582
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,359
could potentially bring up, or locations or things like that,

1583
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,119
Like Brandy Saunders, She's in two movies with so I

1584
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:46,560
don't know if she remembers Brandy Saunders. I don't know

1585
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:51,279
anyone that does, unfortunately, but because she's kind of amazing.

1586
01:19:52,199 --> 01:19:55,119
But yeah, she drifted it and out.

1587
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:59,359
Speaker 1: I won't say that the movie is disposable, but in

1588
01:19:59,399 --> 01:20:01,880
their memory it is. It was just something that they

1589
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,720
did that day. And then they you know, they're not

1590
01:20:03,760 --> 01:20:06,359
putting any stock into it. They're not thinking someone's gonna

1591
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:08,600
be even talking about it next week. They don't even

1592
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:10,920
they probably don't even know if it's ever gonna come out,

1593
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,399
you know, Yes, so right, that's just what I did

1594
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:16,319
that day. No different than if I was like a

1595
01:20:16,359 --> 01:20:18,479
painter and I painted somebody's house. I don't remember that

1596
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:21,520
house that I painted on, you know, July third, nineteen

1597
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:22,159
seventy five.

1598
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:25,680
Speaker 3: You know, and sexploitation and adult are both similar in

1599
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,359
that way. You can't ask about a specific movie. Also

1600
01:20:28,399 --> 01:20:31,199
because they might not know the title that it came out. Yeah,

1601
01:20:31,239 --> 01:20:32,760
like you said, they might not know it came out.

1602
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,560
So that's why, like, yeah, any anytime you're gonna interview

1603
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:41,000
some from this time, titles aren't helpful. Plots aren't helpful,

1604
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:45,760
like names might be helpful, Locations might be helpful. It

1605
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:48,560
really depends. Like like if you if you asked her

1606
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,279
about Domiano, she would know Domiano, but she might not

1607
01:20:51,399 --> 01:20:53,720
remember that she was in Never Too Deep in a

1608
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:56,600
non sex role as like a secretary to Paul Thomas,

1609
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,520
but she would remember that she worked for Domiano. So yeah,

1610
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:03,439
like specifics about specific films are like a real crapshoot.

1611
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,039
And I learned that. I've learned that well, even the

1612
01:21:07,119 --> 01:21:08,359
interviews I've done.

1613
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:10,800
Speaker 1: Even with names. When I mentioned Harry Novak, she goes

1614
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,159
to did he work under a different name? Like she

1615
01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:16,520
just immediately thought, like that, there's a there's aliases to this,

1616
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,239
like maybe that's the screen name but not the personal

1617
01:21:20,319 --> 01:21:23,880
name or vice versa. So you tend to you know,

1618
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,800
and like speaking of names, like she's not Serena in

1619
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:32,039
this movie, she's uh j Jan Gillian so or or

1620
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:36,319
more specifically Gillian because she's naming herself after Ian Gilly

1621
01:21:36,359 --> 01:21:39,880
and the singer of Deep Purple. You know, she's a

1622
01:21:40,039 --> 01:21:42,359
she loves all that stuff, like she considers like led

1623
01:21:42,399 --> 01:21:44,680
Zeppelin and Deep Purple like still some of you know

1624
01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:48,880
her favorite bands. And I think she used this there's

1625
01:21:48,920 --> 01:21:51,800
another movie that she used it in, so she's Jen

1626
01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:55,239
like j E n in this one, and then I

1627
01:21:55,279 --> 01:22:00,520
think in uh, there's another one where she was an abduction,

1628
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:04,199
abduction of Laurel. I. Oh yeah, oh that thing that

1629
01:22:04,279 --> 01:22:08,239
she called that she calls herself jan j A n

1630
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:11,920
N Gillian. And I think there might be some other

1631
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,720
thing that she did where it says like, uh like

1632
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,600
Jen Serena Gillian.

1633
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,319
Speaker 3: Yes, and that's Dames and Dreams, which was never released.

1634
01:22:19,319 --> 01:22:21,880
So I'm guessing they're just going by I don't know,

1635
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:24,239
talent release or something for that. Yeah, I don't know.

1636
01:22:24,520 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then that's just that's what she wanted to

1637
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,520
do that in tribute to Ian Gillian. That's all it was,

1638
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:29,920
you know.

1639
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: That little personal touch.

1640
01:22:32,079 --> 01:22:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Melanie is a legitimate license from suits. I trust her.

1641
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:45,000
Speaker 2: You're so naive, Casey, So yeah, I can't. We keep

1642
01:22:45,079 --> 01:22:46,439
running into Harry Novak.

1643
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:48,960
Speaker 3: So this is we don't really have anything more to

1644
01:22:49,000 --> 01:22:50,600
talk about with him in this. All he did was

1645
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,239
finance it and distribute it. That's all.

1646
01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always and so we.

1647
01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:57,239
Speaker 3: Don't need to talk about him no more, which is

1648
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,840
good because I don't want to talk about him. I

1649
01:23:00,319 --> 01:23:03,119
don't like him, you know, I don't like him. The

1650
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:05,279
only thing I will say that is interesting is that

1651
01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:08,319
the version that came out on something reird video opens

1652
01:23:08,359 --> 01:23:12,279
with the Valiant International logo, which means that either he

1653
01:23:12,359 --> 01:23:16,039
went back and added that to whatever print or negative

1654
01:23:16,079 --> 01:23:19,600
this was used that was used for this transfer, or

1655
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,840
it's a reissue print that was used for this transfer.

1656
01:23:24,039 --> 01:23:27,640
Because box Office was still around in seventy five when

1657
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,920
this came out. Box Office didn't go into business until

1658
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,680
seventy eight, and then he rebranded in nineteen seventy nine.

1659
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:37,000
I feel like, allegedly, I will say allegedly because I

1660
01:23:37,039 --> 01:23:40,359
don't need anybody sue in my ass, allegedly, I believe

1661
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,359
that it was to get out of some kind of

1662
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,720
tax problems. So he declared bankruptcy for box Ofven International

1663
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,520
and then rebranded as VIP, and then also rebranding is

1664
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,640
VIP meant that any of the moneies that he owed

1665
01:23:55,720 --> 01:24:00,039
people on Box Office International no longer were owed. It

1666
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:04,079
was a new company. So he then fabricated a sale

1667
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:07,680
from box Office International of all of the Box Office

1668
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:12,479
International library too Valiant and so then as the now

1669
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:16,560
owner of Valiant, and people came back like Frederick Garfriedel

1670
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:18,159
and said, well you owe me money? Oh no, this

1671
01:24:18,279 --> 01:24:20,680
is it's under Valiant now, and do you actually owe

1672
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,520
me money because we haven't made any money back on

1673
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:28,359
this title as Valiant yet. So that's that's the Novak special.

1674
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:30,119
Uh yeah.

1675
01:24:30,159 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 2: So I talked to Barry Spinella yesterday actually on the phone,

1676
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:37,279
so I asked him that specifically. I was like, you know,

1677
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:41,279
how was it dealing with Harry, you know, did he

1678
01:24:41,359 --> 01:24:45,680
treat you fairly? And all Barry said was he paid

1679
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,239
me one hundred dollars a week for four months, and

1680
01:24:48,359 --> 01:24:51,279
that's all my dealings with Harry Novak.

1681
01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 5: You know.

1682
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 2: He did the he did the shoot, and then he

1683
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:57,399
went to Harry's actual office and edited for three months.

1684
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: That's a long time to ed yeahems like that would

1685
01:25:01,039 --> 01:25:02,439
have been edited in a couple of days.

1686
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:07,640
Speaker 3: That's a long time. Wow. Okay, Wow, that's longer than

1687
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:10,279
Mark Haggard editing Love Garden All American Girl, and he

1688
01:25:10,319 --> 01:25:13,239
got in trouble for that. They wanted it done in

1689
01:25:13,279 --> 01:25:14,119
like three weeks.

1690
01:25:14,199 --> 01:25:14,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1691
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 6: Wow.

1692
01:25:15,239 --> 01:25:15,399
Speaker 3: Wow.

1693
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: I don't know how much time he's spending each day.

1694
01:25:17,800 --> 01:25:20,119
Speaker 3: And that's kind of that's kind of good though, I mean,

1695
01:25:20,399 --> 01:25:24,760
or maybe no, because I think Novak would have said something. Yeah,

1696
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:26,640
but if he was paying him one hundred dollars a

1697
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:30,439
week for that long, that's pretty nice. I will say,

1698
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:34,199
that's not your typical sexploitation set up. They want it

1699
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,199
quick and they want it now, So four months to

1700
01:25:37,319 --> 01:25:39,640
edit something like this, it's only seventy seven minutes.

1701
01:25:39,720 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 2: Well here's the other thing too. You know, Barry had

1702
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:44,760
made this movie before this, bizarre.

1703
01:25:44,319 --> 01:25:46,079
Speaker 3: Devices he spent.

1704
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,279
Speaker 2: He set the budget for that with seventy five thousand dollars,

1705
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:51,640
which is she's.

1706
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 3: Quite a bit for that's for a particular movie at

1707
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:55,560
that time. Yeah.

1708
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So maybe Harry was like, hey, I'm dealing with

1709
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,640
a guy who you know, was paid seventy five thousand.

1710
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,760
He made a movie for seventy five thousand dollars before this, so,

1711
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,479
you know, treating him a little nicer maybe than he

1712
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:09,399
would somebody else.

1713
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,319
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yeah, I don't see Novak doing that.

1714
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:15,079
I don't know. I will say that, I yeah, I

1715
01:26:15,119 --> 01:26:19,640
think Barry may may like to know that that he

1716
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:22,600
was treated better by Novak than ninety percent of the

1717
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,800
people that work with Novack. So that's good. Everyone else

1718
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,880
has sheer horror stories about working with Harry nomack.

1719
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:32,199
Speaker 2: And he did say the budget, yeah, for Massage Parlor

1720
01:26:32,319 --> 01:26:35,279
Wife was thirty thousand, so oh my.

1721
01:26:35,359 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 3: God, Well wait a minute, the budget was thirty thousand,

1722
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:41,680
and he made one hundred grand in four months to

1723
01:26:41,840 --> 01:26:42,159
edit it.

1724
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: No, one hundred dollars. Well, he made one hundred dollars

1725
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:45,199
a week.

1726
01:26:45,359 --> 01:26:49,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for four on that so four times four

1727
01:26:49,199 --> 01:26:52,079
that's eighty grand roughly, so it was over one hundred grand.

1728
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:55,119
Speaker 1: Was the hundred bucks a week? Not one thousand dollars

1729
01:26:55,159 --> 01:26:55,359
a week?

1730
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, hundred one hundred bucks a week, so four hundred

1731
01:26:58,079 --> 01:27:00,520
Oh okay, No, that isn't as much as I thought.

1732
01:27:01,319 --> 01:27:06,439
That's still a lot though, Wow, okay. Interesting, that's very interesting.

1733
01:27:07,199 --> 01:27:10,800
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe it ultimately didn't didn't work out, you know,

1734
01:27:10,920 --> 01:27:16,079
maybe maybe Barry is not being as forthright as with

1735
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:18,720
the details, you know, maybe it's soured. Maybe it was

1736
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:21,880
taking him too long too to edit the film and

1737
01:27:22,199 --> 01:27:24,479
produce it for Harry and he and you know, maybe

1738
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:29,159
he got, you know, kick to the side. Isn't there

1739
01:27:29,239 --> 01:27:33,560
some indication that that Harry wanted a more hardcore version

1740
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:35,159
or wanted to add.

1741
01:27:35,159 --> 01:27:37,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, spiced it up a bit, yeah, you know.

1742
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: And and it's interesting because I watched it again a

1743
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:48,119
couple of days ago, and it seems like it progressively

1744
01:27:48,159 --> 01:27:51,960
gets a little bit naughtier throughout the runtime. Like it

1745
01:27:52,039 --> 01:27:55,319
starts out kind of reserved, you know, the first sex

1746
01:27:55,359 --> 01:27:57,680
scene with Serena and what's the husband's.

1747
01:27:57,319 --> 01:28:00,159
Speaker 2: Name, Tomah or whatever, and everything's just a little bit

1748
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:00,800
out of frame.

1749
01:28:01,039 --> 01:28:04,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's like like he's he's doing the whole

1750
01:28:04,399 --> 01:28:06,640
I've got my pants on, but we're having sex when

1751
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:09,199
you don't have any clothes on type of a sex scene.

1752
01:28:10,279 --> 01:28:18,640
You know, the first the first massage parlor scene with Serena,

1753
01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:21,840
you know, she was his uh who's the actor and

1754
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:26,600
that one Tyler Reynolds. Yeah, she reaches over and you

1755
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:29,359
can see her a grab his penis, but then the

1756
01:28:29,399 --> 01:28:31,840
camera pans over the left real fast, like oops, like

1757
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,000
oh ship, like like we didn't mean to capture that,

1758
01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:37,000
you know. But then towards the end, like we get

1759
01:28:37,039 --> 01:28:40,399
like you know, we're getting like full male nudity and

1760
01:28:40,399 --> 01:28:46,199
and sort of heavy, heavy, simulated sex hard. Yeah, which

1761
01:28:46,319 --> 01:28:48,840
that scene is funny too because it looks like, you know,

1762
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:51,359
and we're jumping from the beginning of the movie to

1763
01:28:51,399 --> 01:28:54,199
the end of the movie. But like when tom comes

1764
01:28:54,239 --> 01:28:57,520
out and uh, you know, Tom's here and Tom's ready,

1765
01:28:57,760 --> 01:29:01,279
Like it looks like he's coming already. Yeah, He's like,

1766
01:29:02,039 --> 01:29:07,359
that's Tom's ready and Tom already came, like like Tom's

1767
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:08,560
done before even.

1768
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:11,760
Speaker 3: I think he's dripping with pre come. I believe it's

1769
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,840
pretty heavy though, but what do I know. Yeah, well,

1770
01:29:15,079 --> 01:29:19,039
speaking from personal experience, they are very heavy drippers. Yeah,

1771
01:29:19,079 --> 01:29:23,560
so anyway, yeah, so it's like I saw that and

1772
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:25,960
I was like, been there, done that. I get it.

1773
01:29:26,199 --> 01:29:30,319
Speaker 2: A Maybe that's why you can't get this declassified from

1774
01:29:30,359 --> 01:29:35,000
its adult label on IMDb, because it's close.

1775
01:29:35,560 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody, I don't think anybody in charge

1776
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,600
of the categorization of this movie has seen this movie

1777
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:43,640
to know that gentry like they're not. The IMDb staff

1778
01:29:43,680 --> 01:29:46,000
isn't like, well, there's that heart on in this movie.

1779
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:47,880
I think they're just looking at the X rating in

1780
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:50,119
nineteen seventy five and thinking, well, this is X and

1781
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:53,000
it's hardcore. Super Vicx's was X at the same year,

1782
01:29:53,039 --> 01:29:55,319
and that wasn't hardcore and that's not marked as adults

1783
01:29:55,319 --> 01:29:55,920
on IMDb.

1784
01:29:56,239 --> 01:29:57,840
Speaker 2: Well that's russ Meyer too.

1785
01:29:58,359 --> 01:30:00,399
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is that softcore is still existed

1786
01:30:00,399 --> 01:30:02,479
in seventy five. You can't go by an X rating

1787
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,439
in seventy five and be like, well, this is hardcore

1788
01:30:04,880 --> 01:30:07,520
not the case. Not the case, And.

1789
01:30:07,520 --> 01:30:11,039
Speaker 2: I'm saying russ Meyer gets like preferential treatment in that

1790
01:30:11,159 --> 01:30:12,640
case on IMDb.

1791
01:30:13,039 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking about IMDb. I'm talking about the fact

1792
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:20,039
that these things are labeled the wrong way. They these

1793
01:30:20,399 --> 01:30:22,239
This staff doesn't know who rouss Meyer is.

1794
01:30:22,359 --> 01:30:26,039
Speaker 1: Like, technically Meyer's stuff came out unrated. He didn't even

1795
01:30:26,079 --> 01:30:28,880
submit him to the to the ratings board when he

1796
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:32,760
distributed his films. He just played them unrated, so technically

1797
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:33,840
they're not They're not.

1798
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 3: As super I have a Supervix's poster with an NEXT

1799
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,359
rating on it, does it? Yeah? Maybe Ultra Vixen's was

1800
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,680
unrated though the Supervixens definitely was an X. But that

1801
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:45,920
reminds you had no back for releasing stuff with like

1802
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:49,760
our ratings on them, even though they were fully super

1803
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:54,079
duper graphic, like Sassy Sue with Tally Cochran putting Patrick's

1804
01:30:54,199 --> 01:30:58,039
putting John Toll's cock on our lips. Oh yeah, yes,

1805
01:30:58,279 --> 01:31:04,279
that that is not marked as adults on IMDb. That's

1806
01:31:04,399 --> 01:31:04,960
very graphic.

1807
01:31:05,039 --> 01:31:08,119
Speaker 2: I totally agree, though, Mark yeah, it does get progressively,

1808
01:31:08,520 --> 01:31:10,399
but that's kind of what I think. That's also kind

1809
01:31:10,399 --> 01:31:12,960
of a novak trademark in a certain way, like I

1810
01:31:13,000 --> 01:31:17,199
think movies do get you know, he makes you wait

1811
01:31:17,239 --> 01:31:19,399
till the end of the movie to get the hardest stuff.

1812
01:31:19,560 --> 01:31:23,239
And I mean that long like forsome scene at the end. Yeah,

1813
01:31:23,279 --> 01:31:26,840
it's it could be real. You know, you could argue

1814
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,800
you could. You could see people walking out like, yeah,

1815
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:30,800
I got my money's worth. I think they're having sex.

1816
01:31:31,479 --> 01:31:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, there was a spot in there that I

1817
01:31:34,039 --> 01:31:36,079
that I questioned too. I had watched it a couple

1818
01:31:36,119 --> 01:31:37,960
of times, and I don't know if it was just

1819
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:42,600
Serena acting to pretend that she was inserting Tom into her.

1820
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:44,680
But when she gets on top of them, she reaches

1821
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:48,119
around behind her as if she's like positioning him, you know,

1822
01:31:48,319 --> 01:31:51,520
to insert. You can't see anything, so maybe it was

1823
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,880
just uncomfortable and she was pushing him out of the way,

1824
01:31:54,319 --> 01:31:57,600
or or maybe that was I don't really feel that

1825
01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:01,159
that there was likely much direction there, right, you know,

1826
01:32:01,319 --> 01:32:03,319
the director's not you do this so we can pretend

1827
01:32:03,359 --> 01:32:07,000
like that's happening. But if you are a fan of

1828
01:32:07,159 --> 01:32:13,159
dirty Feet, yeh. Brandy Saunders has a very very very

1829
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:16,479
dirty souls in that in that final scene there, So

1830
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:18,600
you're interested in that. That's a good one.

1831
01:32:19,079 --> 01:32:23,399
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. That's but honestly, that's very San Francisco hardcore's

1832
01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:25,920
it's a lot of hit hippy girls. Yeah, it's hip.

1833
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:28,199
It's hippy girls that would walk barefoot in the park

1834
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,359
and then show up, show up on the set.

1835
01:32:32,319 --> 01:32:35,760
Speaker 2: I also wonder how much people were just like ashing

1836
01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,239
on carpets back then.

1837
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:42,439
Speaker 3: You're saying, maybe, I don't know, I don't know, but

1838
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:45,319
that's very it's a very l A thing, very l

1839
01:32:45,399 --> 01:32:47,640
a or not very San Francisco thing. It's very like

1840
01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:50,800
the hippie hippie girls and hippie guys, just dirty souls.

1841
01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:15,239
Speaker 2: Well, you were saying, Mark, you know about Serena, you know,

1842
01:33:15,359 --> 01:33:19,600
real or not? Well, real or not. I think Serena,

1843
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:21,359
like part of why I love this movie is just

1844
01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:24,119
because Serena is going like one hundred and ten percent

1845
01:33:24,279 --> 01:33:27,119
and every scene, you know, if she's faking it, it's

1846
01:33:27,199 --> 01:33:28,560
like the greatest faking ever.

1847
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:31,600
Speaker 1: Right, She's she's I mean, she's in every scene here.

1848
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,319
So this is her movie, right, you know, and it's

1849
01:33:35,399 --> 01:33:37,159
and you know, you talk about hippies, like there's and

1850
01:33:37,239 --> 01:33:39,399
there's a scene where she's like going around giving people flowers,

1851
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:42,439
m you know, like just just roaming around the streets

1852
01:33:42,520 --> 01:33:44,159
and you know, happy Serena.

1853
01:33:44,279 --> 01:33:45,560
Speaker 2: He's doing a little somersault.

1854
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:49,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, fun ye right. You know, that's her being effervescent,

1855
01:33:51,039 --> 01:33:52,760
you know. And there's a couple of scenes in there

1856
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:57,600
where that scene where she u with Tyler Reynolds, when

1857
01:33:57,640 --> 01:33:59,920
she's doing the trying to give him the happy ending,

1858
01:34:00,359 --> 01:34:02,920
her facial expressions on there just cracked me up because

1859
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,000
she's so the way she's playing it is there's an

1860
01:34:06,039 --> 01:34:10,960
innocence to her, but she has this look of like determination,

1861
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,159
like I'm supposed to be getting him off, So like

1862
01:34:14,279 --> 01:34:17,560
she's kind of doing these kind of like brow movements

1863
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:20,479
and these like like questionable looks that she's kind of

1864
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:22,920
looking down at his at his penis, you know, like

1865
01:34:23,239 --> 01:34:24,960
like am I doing this right? Am I not doing

1866
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,640
this right? Like why hasn't he come yet? You know.

1867
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:30,000
So so I'm not trying to overembellish on the scene,

1868
01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:31,880
but that was what, you know, what I got from it,

1869
01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:34,239
and it was and it seems like in the scene

1870
01:34:34,319 --> 01:34:36,680
she's she's so in she's so focused on what her

1871
01:34:36,760 --> 01:34:39,239
task is that he's kind of feeling her up and everything,

1872
01:34:39,239 --> 01:34:41,279
and it's almost like she doesn't even realize, you know,

1873
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:45,319
the character doesn't even realize that he's you know, pulling

1874
01:34:45,359 --> 01:34:47,800
her breasts out and caressing her and all this stuff,

1875
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,640
because she's just so determined that she's going to get

1876
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:51,840
this guy to a happy ending.

1877
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:54,199
Speaker 2: He's trying to be the best at her job exactly.

1878
01:34:56,119 --> 01:35:00,159
Speaker 1: So the first that first massage customer, Tyler Reynolds, she

1879
01:35:01,119 --> 01:35:05,359
she worked with him later and there's a actual a

1880
01:35:05,439 --> 01:35:09,560
bonus loop on Effervescent where she's with him and another

1881
01:35:09,640 --> 01:35:12,800
I believe unknown star right and the loop. The loop

1882
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,239
was called blowing Balls, you know, some of these dorky

1883
01:35:16,319 --> 01:35:21,840
titles that they have for the loops. He I think

1884
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:26,640
did about seventeen loops. When I looked through my my lists,

1885
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:30,399
and then the other people that are in the movie

1886
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:33,039
as well, pretty much every one of those except for

1887
01:35:33,159 --> 01:35:36,560
Tom whoever plays Tom Tom, I don't know, does he

1888
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:37,600
have any other credits?

1889
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:38,239
Speaker 3: That actor?

1890
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:39,800
Speaker 1: No, what was his name?

1891
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:43,319
Speaker 3: You talked to Steve Rogers, but you talked to Barry

1892
01:35:43,319 --> 01:35:44,119
about that, did you not?

1893
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:44,840
Speaker 1: Well?

1894
01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 2: I asked them about I asked him about Jim.

1895
01:35:48,760 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 3: Oh, he didn't do.

1896
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:53,600
Speaker 2: Anything about Tom m hm. No, he just said, yeah,

1897
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:58,199
he just thought they were locals, just local quote unquote actors,

1898
01:35:58,359 --> 01:35:58,920
is what he said.

1899
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:03,279
Speaker 1: And character of Tom being Serena his husband in the

1900
01:36:03,399 --> 01:36:07,039
movie Who's Who's struggling with the idea that his his

1901
01:36:07,239 --> 01:36:10,800
wife is working in a massage parlor and it doesn't

1902
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:15,039
know the extent of what the hygienks are that she's

1903
01:36:15,520 --> 01:36:21,039
you know, working through and is very tormented by it

1904
01:36:21,800 --> 01:36:22,520
throughout the movie.

1905
01:36:23,239 --> 01:36:25,239
Speaker 2: But it's funny, yeah, like who is you know, it's

1906
01:36:25,279 --> 01:36:27,640
funny that, like you said, a lot of these players

1907
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:30,520
in this movie, you know, we can't identify or you

1908
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:35,119
found him in loops or they did hardcore later like

1909
01:36:35,199 --> 01:36:38,960
we said, this guy Tom Steve Rogers, like he's he's

1910
01:36:39,119 --> 01:36:40,920
he's coming like you said, he's coming out with his

1911
01:36:41,039 --> 01:36:43,079
dick hard in this movie. But he never did any

1912
01:36:43,359 --> 01:36:44,119
hardcore that we.

1913
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:44,680
Speaker 1: Know of her.

1914
01:36:45,399 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's a strange, strange case.

1915
01:36:48,039 --> 01:36:51,239
Speaker 1: Like the David book, Who's in there? I think I

1916
01:36:51,359 --> 01:36:56,720
have six of his loops, I've cataloged nine. Claire James,

1917
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,880
I have one of them, one of the possible. I

1918
01:37:00,119 --> 01:37:02,520
only know of two loops that that I've documented that

1919
01:37:02,600 --> 01:37:06,640
I've found. I have one of those. Even Brandy Saunders,

1920
01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:08,920
I have five of her loops. I have Catalog six.

1921
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:12,479
She she primarily appears, and I think it's the Soul

1922
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:16,279
Sex series. She has a lot of inter racial as

1923
01:37:16,319 --> 01:37:20,199
far as the loops go, because that's a good visual contrast.

1924
01:37:20,279 --> 01:37:23,520
I think casting a redhead with she's very pale, and

1925
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,680
so a very pale white girl with a black performer

1926
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,600
is going to have that appealing to that audience. It's

1927
01:37:31,640 --> 01:37:35,199
like you want somebody pale. She was in The Swing

1928
01:37:35,359 --> 01:37:40,880
Thing with John Holmes where she doesn't look exactly illegal

1929
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:45,359
in that film. So I was always a little suspicious

1930
01:37:45,439 --> 01:37:46,399
of Brandy Saunders.

1931
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 2: She's just like they were just marketing her that way.

1932
01:37:50,840 --> 01:37:52,560
So no, I mean when you.

1933
01:37:52,640 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 3: Watch the film visually, she does not look of age

1934
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,399
and swing thing. Yeah, nobody's marketing Brandy.

1935
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,239
Speaker 2: So he said anything, you mean like she's got, like

1936
01:38:01,359 --> 01:38:03,439
you're saying more than like just pigtails in her hair

1937
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:03,840
or something.

1938
01:38:04,079 --> 01:38:06,840
Speaker 3: No, I mean she looks underage. Yeah, like she looks

1939
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:11,359
under age in the Swing Thing. She definitely ages up

1940
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,760
at the more work she does. Uh So yeah, I

1941
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:17,439
don't know. I find her fascinating. I'd love to know

1942
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:21,000
more about her. And she's in Dames and Dreams with Serena.

1943
01:38:21,399 --> 01:38:24,520
So I'm just kind of like that, where's that casting from?

1944
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:24,680
Speaker 4: Like?

1945
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:28,439
Speaker 3: Who casts? Who casts this person? Yeah? I don't know,

1946
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:32,479
not a hell get interesting. No Brandy San Francisco. Okay,

1947
01:38:32,840 --> 01:38:36,479
everyone in this movie San Francisco except for Serena except

1948
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:38,399
she was She was San Francisco for a while. Was

1949
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:40,920
she not eventually or did she started in San Francisco.

1950
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:41,800
I'm trying to remember now.

1951
01:38:42,119 --> 01:38:45,279
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think she started in San Francisco.

1952
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:48,319
She was Southern California based, and then she went to

1953
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:50,279
New York and then she stayed there for two years.

1954
01:38:50,319 --> 01:38:53,520
And then when she came back to California with Jamie,

1955
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:57,000
with Jamie Gillis, I believe that they settled in San

1956
01:38:57,039 --> 01:38:59,880
Francisco and then and then because they were living there,

1957
01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:03,239
she was working for a period at Mitchell Brothers o'feral

1958
01:39:03,359 --> 01:39:07,880
theater and then yes, uh, and then at some point,

1959
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,000
you know, she she broke off with Jamie and Jamie

1960
01:39:10,039 --> 01:39:13,319
went back to New York, and she stayed in California

1961
01:39:13,359 --> 01:39:14,840
and then she's and then she you know, in the

1962
01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:18,319
around eighty three eighty fourish, she got out of the

1963
01:39:18,359 --> 01:39:21,359
business and you know, was married to somebody and focused

1964
01:39:21,399 --> 01:39:24,199
on art and you know, just kind of did kind

1965
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,399
of her own thing, you know. I mean, she had

1966
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:29,640
basically like a pretty solid nearly ten year run, you know,

1967
01:39:29,880 --> 01:39:32,000
and and look at the legacy that she left in

1968
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:33,640
that ten years.

1969
01:39:34,279 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I always, I guess I would think of

1970
01:39:36,439 --> 01:39:39,239
her as San Francisco because she is so free with

1971
01:39:39,319 --> 01:39:42,920
her sexuality, which I don't associate with LA girls at all,

1972
01:39:43,359 --> 01:39:46,000
like it is. Yeah, I I associate LA girls with

1973
01:39:46,199 --> 01:39:48,119
actresses that are trying, women that are trying to be

1974
01:39:48,199 --> 01:39:51,920
actresses or models, and with Serena, she strikes me as

1975
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,520
San Francisco, where it's very like I'm doing this because

1976
01:39:54,520 --> 01:39:56,840
I love sex and I and I want to share

1977
01:39:56,920 --> 01:39:57,479
that with people.

1978
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,119
Speaker 1: Well, you got you got to remember that her her

1979
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,920
interest in sex is driven by mania because of she

1980
01:40:04,159 --> 01:40:09,880
had she had undiagnosed bipolar disorder, So that's that's that's

1981
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:14,600
a I guess mental coping mechanism that that people that

1982
01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:20,319
have bipolar they're hyper sexualized. So it's almost like she

1983
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:25,960
medicated herself with with sexual activity. She she clearly says

1984
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:28,279
that she didn't. She doesn't regret anything that that she

1985
01:40:28,399 --> 01:40:32,239
ever did. In our commentary, I think on this one

1986
01:40:32,279 --> 01:40:35,279
she jokingly mentioned there's a penthouse layout that she did

1987
01:40:36,119 --> 01:40:38,760
that has a Nazi theme, and she that she had

1988
01:40:38,840 --> 01:40:40,960
never had never done that at this point because you know,

1989
01:40:41,039 --> 01:40:43,840
in retrospect that's it was in poor taste. But there

1990
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:46,600
was all kinds of Nazi ship coming out in the seventies,

1991
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,479
you know, good or bad, you know, as stupidity as

1992
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:54,439
it was. But you know her her, it's probably I

1993
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:58,640
guess this is a little premature for the commentary for

1994
01:40:58,720 --> 01:41:01,560
part two. I don't think it's in part one for

1995
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,760
the Effervescent, but I you know, I asked Serena like

1996
01:41:04,880 --> 01:41:06,640
what she would have done if, if you know, she

1997
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:09,319
hadn't been, you know, in the sex industry, and she

1998
01:41:09,359 --> 01:41:11,000
said she would have liked to have been a teacher.

1999
01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:15,920
She does happily state that, you know, she looked at

2000
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:21,000
this period as as educational. She wanted to you know,

2001
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:23,279
in some ways, you know. She she says that like

2002
01:41:23,399 --> 01:41:26,079
Jamie Gillis was a gormand he wanted to devour everything,

2003
01:41:26,279 --> 01:41:28,560
and I think she also was like that, even though

2004
01:41:28,600 --> 01:41:32,760
she may not categorize herself like that. But because because

2005
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:36,279
of that mania, she had to you know, in a way,

2006
01:41:36,319 --> 01:41:38,520
it's sort of like an addiction, like it's it's medication

2007
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:42,960
for her. She and and but she embraced it, you know,

2008
01:41:43,119 --> 01:41:46,359
and there were times that she was obviously difficult to

2009
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:51,039
deal with. You know that that mania also has uh.

2010
01:41:51,880 --> 01:41:53,640
I mean, we could look at, you know, having a

2011
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:56,920
super horny partner as a positive. You know, I I

2012
01:41:57,079 --> 01:41:59,680
dated someone years ago when I was younger who had

2013
01:41:59,720 --> 01:42:05,359
by polar disorder, and it was not a uh it

2014
01:42:05,479 --> 01:42:07,800
was it was a hostile relationship a lot of times

2015
01:42:08,720 --> 01:42:12,680
because of that uh, that disorder. So you know, she's

2016
01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,680
talked about like getting violent with people, and it's not

2017
01:42:16,359 --> 01:42:18,960
coming from a place of anger. It's coming from that

2018
01:42:19,159 --> 01:42:22,680
that mania that is inspiring that that physical reaction. So

2019
01:42:23,079 --> 01:42:25,880
so her her sexuality is a physical reaction to to that.

2020
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,680
Her her violence is a reaction to that, you know.

2021
01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:31,880
I mean I had a that that girlfriend that I

2022
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,359
was with at the time, she tried to stab me

2023
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:38,800
once because she was so caught up in her her mania.

2024
01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,720
And and and to the same case, she was super horny.

2025
01:42:42,760 --> 01:42:44,800
She wanted sex all the time, almost to the point

2026
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:46,560
where it was annoying. I was like, man, can't I

2027
01:42:46,720 --> 01:42:48,520
just like have a break here?

2028
01:42:48,840 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 4: You know?

2029
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:51,079
Speaker 1: So so when I when I talk about those things

2030
01:42:51,079 --> 01:42:52,960
with her, I can I can put a personal spin

2031
01:42:53,039 --> 01:42:55,199
on it as well, not by having had that mania

2032
01:42:55,399 --> 01:42:59,279
or having bipolar disorder, but having experienced four years being

2033
01:42:59,359 --> 01:43:02,279
with someone who had that, who has that like it

2034
01:43:02,319 --> 01:43:05,000
doesn't go away. But so up until a point where

2035
01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:09,159
she was able to finally have it properly diagnosed and

2036
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:12,560
be medicated, you know, that was her mania. We got

2037
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:15,159
to see her mania play out on screen.

2038
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was going to say, Like, that's

2039
01:43:17,399 --> 01:43:19,720
part of her performance in a way, it comes through.

2040
01:43:20,119 --> 01:43:22,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, there are a few other actresses I know of

2041
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:26,279
that later we're finally diagnosed with bipolar and then they

2042
01:43:26,359 --> 01:43:28,640
look But then I think the difference is that Serena

2043
01:43:29,079 --> 01:43:30,680
is able to look back on that time and be

2044
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,960
like and not be ashamed of it and embrace it

2045
01:43:35,039 --> 01:43:38,039
and discuss it, where there are other actresses at that

2046
01:43:38,119 --> 01:43:40,399
point are like, well, I was mentally ill, and so

2047
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,239
I don't want to look back at that because it

2048
01:43:42,319 --> 01:43:44,520
was something very public and they consider it as something

2049
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:47,560
where like I was being very publicly mentally ill and

2050
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:50,279
so it pains them to even look back at that.

2051
01:43:50,840 --> 01:43:54,079
Speaker 1: And so she's not turning it around and so like that, yeah,

2052
01:43:54,399 --> 01:43:56,640
turning it around and saying like I regret everything I

2053
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:58,760
did and it wasn't me. It was because of the mania.

2054
01:43:59,039 --> 01:44:02,600
You know, it was the mania. But she embraced it,

2055
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,720
and she she took it as far as she possibly could,

2056
01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:09,880
and and and and believes that she was being educated,

2057
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:13,319
you know, sexually and and about men and about women,

2058
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:17,840
you know, in ways that normal I guess normal quote

2059
01:44:17,880 --> 01:44:21,880
unquote people would never experience, you know, and I and

2060
01:44:22,399 --> 01:44:25,399
there's there's always that, uh, you know, that part of

2061
01:44:25,479 --> 01:44:27,119
me that's sort of jealous of people that have been

2062
01:44:27,159 --> 01:44:29,239
in this industry for having like the guts and the

2063
01:44:29,319 --> 01:44:32,479
courage and things to explore those things. If that's if

2064
01:44:32,520 --> 01:44:34,760
they if they were in a position where they truly

2065
01:44:34,840 --> 01:44:37,439
were interested in exploring that, you know, like someone like

2066
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:42,560
Veronica Vera who who that you know, she didn't do

2067
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,399
a lot of a lot of adult films, but she

2068
01:44:45,279 --> 01:44:49,840
she dove personally deep into the world of sexuality and

2069
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,840
wanted to experience and understand and know everything.

2070
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,319
Speaker 3: You know, to all degrees. She was a journalist and

2071
01:44:56,359 --> 01:44:58,399
a writer too, so she was also able to like

2072
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:01,119
she was able to funnel that in to another way

2073
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:03,159
of sharing that with people at the time, and she

2074
01:45:03,239 --> 01:45:06,000
still doesn't now she has that substack. That's great. Yeah,

2075
01:45:06,119 --> 01:45:06,920
she's fantastic.

2076
01:45:07,239 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I adore her. I adore all the Club ninety ladies,

2077
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:13,960
you know, I mean, they're all of them. Yeah, you know,

2078
01:45:15,399 --> 01:45:17,520
as far as like Gloria Leonard. I'm still working on

2079
01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:21,880
her biography. It's just it's a it's a slow moving thing.

2080
01:45:23,359 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 3: Books with Robin Robin, We love her daughter, Robin love

2081
01:45:30,079 --> 01:45:31,119
Robin Wright.

2082
01:45:31,239 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: Writing a book is a very daunting task for me.

2083
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:38,479
I mean, you you read my routeray More book not

2084
01:45:38,560 --> 01:45:42,920
trying to plug. It's sold out, so if you wanted

2085
01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,600
to buy it, you can't right now. But yeah, but

2086
01:45:46,479 --> 01:45:48,640
hopefully I can get a paperback version of that at

2087
01:45:48,680 --> 01:45:52,680
some point. It's just it's not like in my direct peripheral.

2088
01:45:52,840 --> 01:45:54,880
It's in my peripheral right now. I'm not focused on it,

2089
01:45:56,000 --> 01:45:59,039
but it's I don't again, It's it kind of goes

2090
01:45:59,079 --> 01:46:02,399
back to the meticulousness of how I try to restore films.

2091
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:04,800
I don't understand how people could just write a book

2092
01:46:04,800 --> 01:46:06,760
about somebody and have it out in like six months

2093
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:09,760
or something. I mean, it's it's yeah, it's something that

2094
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:15,000
you have to there's the meticulousness of it is something

2095
01:46:15,079 --> 01:46:17,600
that is daunting for me. So I have to get

2096
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:21,199
myself into a into a proper headspace to be able

2097
01:46:21,279 --> 01:46:24,720
to say, like I'm going to be like excavating down,

2098
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:28,199
deep down into these things to find you know, this information,

2099
01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:31,880
and and taking hours on end just to maybe come

2100
01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:35,279
up with two sentences because I have to be certain

2101
01:46:35,880 --> 01:46:38,520
that what I'm commenting about or whatever it is correct.

2102
01:46:38,600 --> 01:46:42,800
Speaker 3: So that's why mine still is nowhere near done. And

2103
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:47,000
you know, I'm my own worst enemy because there's there's

2104
01:46:47,039 --> 01:46:48,840
too much stuff that I'm like, well, I overlook this.

2105
01:46:49,159 --> 01:46:53,199
This is an incomplete text, and it's terrible. That's a

2106
01:46:53,319 --> 01:46:55,600
that's a meant, that's another kind of mental illness.

2107
01:46:56,800 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 1: But if you believe that it's incomplete, don't don't rush it.

2108
01:47:00,279 --> 01:47:02,279
Speaker 3: You know, I agree. So we talked, We're talked Michael

2109
01:47:02,279 --> 01:47:03,880
Boone about that, where he was like, I'm glad I

2110
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,439
didn't put out my Wishman in Sarno Books because I

2111
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,760
found so much other stuff over the time that I

2112
01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:11,720
didn't publish them that now they will be more complete

2113
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:13,279
when they're done, you know.

2114
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:15,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the thirty years I took with the

2115
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:19,119
Rutery More Book, and I think about like if I had, uh,

2116
01:47:19,720 --> 01:47:22,199
if I had done that after ten years, like how

2117
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:25,439
honestly pathetic the book would have been. Like there's just

2118
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:29,399
so so not you know, so much that that that took.

2119
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:33,239
And I used to always just tell people that where's

2120
01:47:33,279 --> 01:47:35,000
the book, where's the book? And I'd say, I'd rather

2121
01:47:35,079 --> 01:47:37,279
have it right than rushed. I'm not going to just

2122
01:47:37,319 --> 01:47:40,439
put this out, you know, just because you know the

2123
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:42,520
movies that the Dolomite is my Name is about to

2124
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,079
come out. You know, yeah, that would be like the

2125
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:46,199
hot time to put it out, but it wouldn't have

2126
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:48,760
been complete. So you just got to keep sticking to it.

2127
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:53,319
And uh, you know, regardless of what the quote unquote

2128
01:47:53,399 --> 01:47:57,039
market believes it should be, you know, like make it,

2129
01:47:57,319 --> 01:47:59,920
make it what it has to be, and and don't

2130
01:48:00,079 --> 01:48:02,880
don't compromise. There's never going to be a revised and

2131
01:48:03,000 --> 01:48:06,520
updated you know, thank you for letting me be myself.

2132
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:09,079
You know, the Rude More Book that that is it

2133
01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:12,960
period definitive, you know, so make yours that way too.

2134
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:15,319
Speaker 3: But you know what that reminds me of I remember

2135
01:48:15,399 --> 01:48:17,560
that I told Howie this and he couldn't. He thought

2136
01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:21,000
it was hilarious. There's an interview with Howie Gordon Richard

2137
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:24,600
Checo in a nineteen eighty four issue of ABN. It's

2138
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:27,399
one of the first issues, and he says, yeah, I'm

2139
01:48:27,399 --> 01:48:29,439
in the middle of writing my memoirs right now. Look

2140
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:33,840
for it in nineteen eighty five. Thirty years later it

2141
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,640
comes out and it's a masterpiece. And that's what it needed.

2142
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:42,560
It needed that additional thirty years of living, experience, education,

2143
01:48:44,199 --> 01:48:47,840
life lessons, being a father, you know, like all those

2144
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:50,760
things contributed to that book and understanding how to better

2145
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:52,079
tell his own story.

2146
01:48:52,399 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: Well, so it's called it's in the pilot.

2147
01:48:54,039 --> 01:48:55,079
Speaker 3: It's all kind of size.

2148
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,119
Speaker 1: It's hindsight there, there was no he didn't have hindsight

2149
01:48:58,199 --> 01:48:59,079
in nineteen eighty five.

2150
01:48:59,680 --> 01:49:02,720
Speaker 3: No, like he was really struggling. That was a struggle

2151
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,920
year for him. That was that was not the best

2152
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:06,640
time for him in those mid eighties. When you read

2153
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:07,960
the book, you know that that was not a good

2154
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:08,439
time for him.

2155
01:49:09,119 --> 01:49:11,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he had to become a father, he

2156
01:49:11,279 --> 01:49:13,199
had to have those marital issues, He had to put

2157
01:49:13,239 --> 01:49:16,560
the pin on his sexual activities. You know, all those

2158
01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:19,399
things had to happen. So yeah, I mean it's it's

2159
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:23,239
it's frustrating because it feels like a never ending project,

2160
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:26,199
you know, and we get down on ourselves of like,

2161
01:49:26,279 --> 01:49:28,359
you know, I I get down on myself because I

2162
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:30,920
think that, you know, Robin might be mad because it's

2163
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:32,920
taken me so long to do this, and you know,

2164
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:34,960
I might not be like communicating with her all the

2165
01:49:35,000 --> 01:49:37,439
time on it, but you know, I'm trying to get

2166
01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:43,560
to a certain point before I bring her into meticulously review,

2167
01:49:44,039 --> 01:49:47,760
you know, and then also just continuing my research and

2168
01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:49,920
the same same things like you're doing. You know, you

2169
01:49:50,039 --> 01:49:53,840
get to that spot and you have an unanswered question,

2170
01:49:54,079 --> 01:49:56,640
and that unanswered question, even if it's just one, puts

2171
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:59,359
the brakes on everything. It's not done. I need to

2172
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:02,760
know what this is, you know, where where does it

2173
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:05,600
all fit in? So just keep doing what you're doing,

2174
01:50:06,600 --> 01:50:10,159
don't don't be afraid of how long it takes, you know,

2175
01:50:11,039 --> 01:50:14,199
and and it'll be better, you know, it'll be better

2176
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:17,399
because because of it. You know, the more we continue

2177
01:50:17,399 --> 01:50:19,800
to learn, the more that we continue to write. You know,

2178
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:22,439
there was so many things that I looked at in

2179
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:23,880
my book that I was like, man, I was so

2180
01:50:24,079 --> 01:50:26,960
wrong about this, you know, in the ruteray More book,

2181
01:50:27,039 --> 01:50:29,960
Like if I would totally blew that fact, you know,

2182
01:50:30,039 --> 01:50:32,000
if I would have put that out. You know, there

2183
01:50:32,119 --> 01:50:34,199
was some really bonehead things in there that I was like,

2184
01:50:34,239 --> 01:50:37,079
Oh my god, I can't believe that, like that that

2185
01:50:37,239 --> 01:50:43,199
that you know that that's what I thought. You know. Yeah,

2186
01:50:43,239 --> 01:50:48,600
I've just like, uh, just knowing things like here's here.

2187
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:52,199
I'll use one specific example. So there's a there's a

2188
01:50:52,279 --> 01:50:56,079
recording device that they use and doubt they use it anymore,

2189
01:50:56,159 --> 01:50:58,000
but in films, it's like the I think it's the

2190
01:50:58,199 --> 01:51:00,680
uh the real to real that they chord sound on

2191
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:04,520
called a nagra. So I had gotten a photo of

2192
01:51:05,439 --> 01:51:09,600
someone with the nagra from like shooting Dolomite, that I

2193
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:12,319
got from someone from the set, and the way that

2194
01:51:12,439 --> 01:51:15,560
it was worded from the caption that he provided for

2195
01:51:15,640 --> 01:51:20,159
the photo, I thought the lady's name was Nagra. Oh no,

2196
01:51:20,960 --> 01:51:22,560
So how stupid would that have been if I had

2197
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:24,600
to put that out? You know, Like then that's just

2198
01:51:24,680 --> 01:51:26,439
because I didn't I didn't know shit. I don't know

2199
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:31,560
shit about filmmaking equipment, right, you know, So I mean

2200
01:51:31,640 --> 01:51:34,520
that would be like totally like I would if I

2201
01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:36,239
knew that and I read that book, that would like

2202
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:39,199
discount everything else that this writer said, you know, like

2203
01:51:39,399 --> 01:51:41,840
really like he thinks this person's name is Nagra. What

2204
01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:45,960
an idiot? You know, so so like and those those

2205
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,439
things happen, and those are human you know. But but

2206
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:52,319
that's where like the beauty of the delay comes in,

2207
01:51:52,920 --> 01:51:54,960
because you can catch those things that you weren't certain

2208
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:56,920
about or that you didn't even know was a mistake,

2209
01:51:57,960 --> 01:52:00,439
you know, So just keep doing what you're doing, even

2210
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:02,920
takes another ten years, twenty years.

2211
01:52:02,800 --> 01:52:05,039
Speaker 3: Whatever, it'll definitely take that long.

2212
01:52:05,159 --> 01:52:08,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you, and I'll be I'll be the

2213
01:52:08,800 --> 01:52:09,640
first one to buy it.

2214
01:52:09,920 --> 01:52:12,920
Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate it. Well, I don't necessarily have the time.

2215
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:14,680
People are dying left or right. That's the thing. I

2216
01:52:14,760 --> 01:52:19,119
need to get more primary sources. But you know that

2217
01:52:19,439 --> 01:52:21,960
you get the work continues. That's what I always say,

2218
01:52:22,000 --> 01:52:22,760
The work continues.

2219
01:52:36,039 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of creators, we haven't even really talked about

2220
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:40,640
the creator of this movie, have we.

2221
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:44,119
Speaker 3: No, Well, actually, let's just a few things on the

2222
01:52:44,199 --> 01:52:46,199
cast before we go bond to the creator. So, yeah,

2223
01:52:46,239 --> 01:52:48,359
we talked about Tyler Horn. So I actually did some

2224
01:52:48,479 --> 01:52:50,479
red I did want to do some more digging into him.

2225
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:53,439
But Tyler Horn is one of the original San Francisco

2226
01:52:53,760 --> 01:52:56,960
Horn stars. He started with like the Mitchell brothers and

2227
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:01,079
is the first he started client, Yeah, the first massage client.

2228
01:53:01,279 --> 01:53:03,520
I started with Alex Derenzi, like he started in like

2229
01:53:03,720 --> 01:53:06,680
seventy two. I found that he was arrested. He was

2230
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,479
part of a major pot bust in Berkeley in nineteen

2231
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:13,159
seventy and then he joined you know, he entered form

2232
01:53:13,319 --> 01:53:16,399
after that. But he he kind of shows up in

2233
01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,760
all kinds of things, Like I remember he played the

2234
01:53:18,840 --> 01:53:22,319
US President in Ultra Flash like ten years, like seven

2235
01:53:22,399 --> 01:53:24,720
years after this or something in nineteen actually five years

2236
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:27,000
in nineteen eighty. He plays a poetry teacher in Count

2237
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:29,560
the Waste for am Perry We've talked about. He plays

2238
01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:32,640
George Washington and Spirit of seventy Sex, which is crazy

2239
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:35,560
and I think that's an ed Haven is Martha Washington,

2240
01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:38,800
and that he plays a psychiatrist in The Analyst where

2241
01:53:39,359 --> 01:53:41,399
Paul Sharp is trying to convince Candy to Royal to

2242
01:53:41,439 --> 01:53:44,840
have anal sex and she hated making that fucking movie.

2243
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:48,359
But the interesting thing I found out about him and

2244
01:53:48,479 --> 01:53:51,359
why he might be still reticent to discuss his career,

2245
01:53:51,439 --> 01:53:53,199
which as far as I know, he has never done.

2246
01:53:54,119 --> 01:53:57,479
Was around nineteen seventy five he started pursuing stand up

2247
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,640
comedy and he showed up in Playgirl in June nineteen

2248
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:03,359
seventy seven, where he is described as a stand up comedian.

2249
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:05,840
So that's like a part of his bio says he

2250
01:54:05,880 --> 01:54:08,600
a stand up comedian that like a playground correspondent found

2251
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:11,920
and that he did it. Didn't discuss his porn in

2252
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,560
the interview, I don't believe, but yeah, it's kind of

2253
01:54:15,560 --> 01:54:19,279
like ya'll do nudity because obviously I've done porn. He

2254
01:54:19,479 --> 01:54:24,319
continued doing stand up for like twenty years. I'm finding

2255
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,720
I'm finding stuff of him doing appearances all of California,

2256
01:54:28,000 --> 01:54:31,560
touring all over the country. Tyler Horn as Tyler Horn,

2257
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,760
that's his real name. His real name was William Tyler Horn,

2258
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,359
but Tyler Horn was you know, basically the name he

2259
01:54:36,479 --> 01:54:39,600
used as late as nineteen ninety six he was touring.

2260
01:54:40,119 --> 01:54:43,680
Speaker 2: So twenty years, I wonder what is company's like. Did

2261
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:46,680
you ever find like any No, that's a.

2262
01:54:46,720 --> 01:54:49,159
Speaker 3: Thing I don't know. But in the in the show notes,

2263
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:52,560
I included to newspaper ads with him in there where

2264
01:54:52,600 --> 01:54:57,359
he's making faces and stuff as an impressionist who he

2265
01:54:57,479 --> 01:55:00,239
also does impressions too. And then he's also in a

2266
01:55:00,279 --> 01:55:02,800
bunch of newspapers with like jokes about current events. So

2267
01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:06,800
he's described as a comedian slash comedy writer. And so

2268
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,720
I was like, did he write for sitcoms or something?

2269
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:11,079
I found nothing? Was he a script doctor for sitcoms?

2270
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:13,920
I can't find anything. I have found him. He is

2271
01:55:13,960 --> 01:55:14,520
still around.

2272
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:16,199
Speaker 2: I need to call him.

2273
01:55:19,319 --> 01:55:21,640
Speaker 3: Let me put it this way. There are people that

2274
01:55:21,760 --> 01:55:23,520
I think that if he was going to do an interview,

2275
01:55:23,760 --> 01:55:26,600
he would have done it with them already. And that's

2276
01:55:26,680 --> 01:55:28,600
as vague as I'm going to be without naming who

2277
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:31,920
that person is. He would have done an interview already

2278
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,079
if it was going to happen, I believe.

2279
01:55:34,479 --> 01:55:34,520
Speaker 4: So.

2280
01:55:35,439 --> 01:55:38,359
Speaker 3: I think it's a situation where he doesn't necessarily want to,

2281
01:55:38,880 --> 01:55:41,800
which is too bad because he worked with literally everybody,

2282
01:55:42,079 --> 01:55:44,960
So he would have good stories while working in San Francisco.

2283
01:55:45,039 --> 01:55:47,720
He would have good stories about working with different directors,

2284
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:49,399
going down to LA for a few things, like, he

2285
01:55:49,439 --> 01:55:52,239
would have the good stories. That was kind of the

2286
01:55:52,279 --> 01:55:55,399
big name. But then I also you researched David Book.

2287
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:57,760
I forgot that. I knew it David Books, who was

2288
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:03,319
the second massage customer. Yeah, so David Book very omnipresident

2289
01:56:03,359 --> 01:56:06,000
in San Francisco porn as well. I forgot that. Paul

2290
01:56:06,079 --> 01:56:08,279
Johnson told me what his real name was years ago,

2291
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:12,399
and it's David Peleg. He's an Israeli guy. He was

2292
01:56:12,439 --> 01:56:15,800
born in Argentina and then moved to Israel in at

2293
01:56:15,920 --> 01:56:18,680
age six, and then he came over. He came over

2294
01:56:18,760 --> 01:56:21,479
to the States as part of an Israeli dance troupe

2295
01:56:21,640 --> 01:56:23,880
and he was a valley dancer and did Israeli folk

2296
01:56:23,960 --> 01:56:26,000
dances and things like that, and then he basically stayed

2297
01:56:26,039 --> 01:56:28,680
in the country. He moved out to San Francisco to

2298
01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:33,720
study modern and modern and experimental dance in San Francisco,

2299
01:56:34,079 --> 01:56:36,960
and from there that he joined the adult industry and

2300
01:56:37,039 --> 01:56:39,880
did porn. The trail kind of ends there. And it's

2301
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:43,720
also confusing because there is a politician who was like

2302
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:47,520
is who was an Israeli console who would show up

2303
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:49,720
at like the United Nations and stuff in the States.

2304
01:56:50,199 --> 01:56:53,439
Nay also named David Pelick, So any search for him

2305
01:56:53,479 --> 01:56:59,279
will come up with this Israeli politicians.

2306
01:56:57,439 --> 01:56:59,239
Speaker 1: The worst when there's duplicate names.

2307
01:56:59,439 --> 01:57:02,119
Speaker 3: Exactly, and I'm like, this name can't be that common,

2308
01:57:02,199 --> 01:57:04,279
but turns out it is, and the other person is

2309
01:57:04,319 --> 01:57:06,800
also very public, so it's just kind of like So

2310
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:09,479
I found some good articles with him, showing him dancing

2311
01:57:09,600 --> 01:57:12,239
with his dance troupe and discussing his bio and things

2312
01:57:12,319 --> 01:57:16,199
like that. He I think most people would know him.

2313
01:57:16,239 --> 01:57:18,960
He played the title character in Night Caller, which is

2314
01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:23,239
the Anthony Spinelli movie, and in that is a couple

2315
01:57:23,399 --> 01:57:27,600
called the Angel and Vernon von Bergdorf. They were a

2316
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,319
dancing troupe. They were dancing couple as well, and they

2317
01:57:30,399 --> 01:57:34,000
did dance dance things all over San Francisco in California.

2318
01:57:34,399 --> 01:57:36,600
So I don't I don't know if they brought him

2319
01:57:36,680 --> 01:57:41,079
into porn because of their dance connections, potentially because they're

2320
01:57:41,239 --> 01:57:45,479
also all three of them are in Pleasure Masters for Derenzy,

2321
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:49,600
I believe he played a lot of pedophiles because of

2322
01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:52,720
the mustache and the pervinus. So he's in Valerie and

2323
01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:56,439
Dixie for Rick Beatty. He's in Fantasy Girls with Claire James,

2324
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:59,079
who we also mentioned. Claire James isn't a ton of

2325
01:57:59,119 --> 01:58:02,439
stuff she I think her biggest roless fantasy Girls. She's

2326
01:58:02,520 --> 01:58:06,720
one of the main prostitutes in that Dorenzi movie. She's

2327
01:58:06,760 --> 01:58:08,159
in a lot of stuff. She's in Journey of O

2328
01:58:08,640 --> 01:58:12,159
also with Tyler Horn and Serena and a few other things.

2329
01:58:12,199 --> 01:58:14,439
She's very nondescript though, so I was kind of surprised

2330
01:58:14,439 --> 01:58:18,800
I even recognize her in this. The only the other

2331
01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:23,000
girl that is recognizable from this is Susan. She's built

2332
01:58:23,079 --> 01:58:24,800
and I forget the name she uses in the I

2333
01:58:24,840 --> 01:58:26,960
think it's Susan Snow is the movie in the name

2334
01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:29,359
or the name she uses in this movie. She was

2335
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:31,760
another one who worked for years in San Francisco porn,

2336
01:58:31,800 --> 01:58:36,199
but very few leading roles. A lot of character parts

2337
01:58:36,239 --> 01:58:38,279
are just showing up in like group scenes or things

2338
01:58:38,359 --> 01:58:41,960
like that. She has a connection to this movie through

2339
01:58:42,239 --> 01:58:44,600
her first movie that she did, which was Lucifer's Women.

2340
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:48,640
So Lucifer's Women was for Paul Arato. Paul Aratto made

2341
01:58:48,720 --> 01:58:55,359
Bizarre Devices with Spinello. So after Bizarre Devices, Spinello did

2342
01:58:55,479 --> 01:58:59,600
this while Arato made Lucifer's Women, which then now Adams

2343
01:58:59,600 --> 01:59:02,680
started to too. Doctor Dracula. Spinello did both of those.

2344
01:59:02,720 --> 01:59:05,000
They worked on it together, and then Arato sold Bizarre

2345
01:59:05,039 --> 01:59:08,800
Devices to Elman Enterprises. Yes, that's why Harry Nova couldn't

2346
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,600
get the Bizarre Devices because it was already sold to

2347
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:14,119
Richard Ellman, which means that there is no negative to that,

2348
01:59:14,199 --> 01:59:17,279
by the way, unfortunately, because Elman got rid of all

2349
01:59:17,279 --> 01:59:17,760
of his stuff.

2350
01:59:18,159 --> 01:59:20,800
Speaker 2: So you're talking about Susan. She plays the mistress, that's

2351
01:59:20,840 --> 01:59:21,479
what you're talking about.

2352
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:25,800
Speaker 3: Yes, and she based on the credits of Lucifer's Women.

2353
01:59:26,359 --> 01:59:28,920
She's built as Susan Catherine in that, so I believe

2354
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:31,640
that is at least her first her real first name

2355
01:59:31,720 --> 01:59:34,720
in her real middle name are Susan Catherine, but she

2356
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:37,720
used fake names on everything else. I don't know what

2357
01:59:37,800 --> 01:59:40,680
her real identity is. But she's really only memorable in

2358
01:59:40,720 --> 01:59:43,439
two movies, which is Lollipop Palace, which was David Helen

2359
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:45,199
Arthur and she hasn't seen with John Holmes in that.

2360
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:47,039
And then she's also in a really good movie called

2361
01:59:47,119 --> 01:59:50,520
Night Pleasures, which Henning Schellerup did, but people know him.

2362
01:59:50,560 --> 01:59:52,359
He did like Black Alley Casts and some other stuff

2363
01:59:52,399 --> 01:59:56,439
for Dan Katie women and m.

2364
01:59:56,479 --> 01:59:59,079
Speaker 2: Stuff or is that just something she did here.

2365
01:59:59,439 --> 02:00:01,600
Speaker 3: It's something she did here. Yeah, No, she was not

2366
02:00:01,680 --> 02:00:05,119
an ESNM person she was literally just a body to

2367
02:00:05,279 --> 02:00:08,600
call to come and do sex scenes or nudity.

2368
02:00:08,720 --> 02:00:09,039
Speaker 4: She was.

2369
02:00:10,199 --> 02:00:14,479
Speaker 3: She was a yeah, she's yeah, there's a reason why.

2370
02:00:14,640 --> 02:00:16,720
Like she she appears in all these credits as like

2371
02:00:17,600 --> 02:00:20,960
with names that mean nothing, like she's just she's a

2372
02:00:21,119 --> 02:00:23,439
go getter in San Francisco porn who just kind of

2373
02:00:23,600 --> 02:00:26,039
shows up and does the work and leaves. You want

2374
02:00:26,079 --> 02:00:29,079
to hear the story about mistage father, AND's something that

2375
02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:30,560
happened to me personally.

2376
02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:34,960
Speaker 4: So I'm telling you firsthand. Okay, yeah, okay.

2377
02:00:35,640 --> 02:00:39,279
Speaker 3: I was looking through one of these underground newspapers, you know,

2378
02:00:39,439 --> 02:00:41,720
through the advertising.

2379
02:00:41,079 --> 02:00:46,920
Speaker 4: Section and listening. Okay, you're still there, all right.

2380
02:00:47,239 --> 02:00:51,399
Speaker 3: So I come across this pad, right, says Mistress Mavis

2381
02:00:52,199 --> 02:00:56,600
with the star my pleasure. Dominant is my game, and

2382
02:00:56,920 --> 02:01:04,239
bondage is the name dominant, give it right? So I

2383
02:01:04,319 --> 02:01:08,479
call this numbers seeing this broad answers and I say that, hey, honey,

2384
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,760
what is this dominant massage? You know what she says

2385
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:16,399
to me? There are listening, Yeah, listen, all right?

2386
02:01:17,079 --> 02:01:17,399
Speaker 4: Are you that?

2387
02:01:18,279 --> 02:01:18,560
Speaker 3: Okay?

2388
02:01:19,159 --> 02:01:22,800
Speaker 4: She said, come on down data and I kick your ass.

2389
02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 2: So I went.

2390
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:29,039
Speaker 3: But it's interesting that all these people eventually they're all

2391
02:01:29,119 --> 02:01:31,119
they all kind of earned movies together because it's all

2392
02:01:31,159 --> 02:01:34,920
that same group within like within like a period of

2393
02:01:35,039 --> 02:01:38,079
like twelve months, where they're the go to people in

2394
02:01:38,159 --> 02:01:41,439
San Francisco for every filmmaker working in San Francisco. They're

2395
02:01:41,600 --> 02:01:44,920
just available and they're you know, they're gonna be they're

2396
02:01:44,920 --> 02:01:46,880
gonna show up, they're gonna do the work, and they're gonna.

2397
02:01:46,680 --> 02:01:48,399
Speaker 2: Leave except for market and that's.

2398
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:49,840
Speaker 5: Up.

2399
02:01:49,920 --> 02:01:50,800
Speaker 1: I want to know who it is.

2400
02:01:50,920 --> 02:01:52,920
Speaker 3: At first I thought that was Tony Scott. It is

2401
02:01:53,000 --> 02:01:55,439
not Tony Scott. I thought it was maybe Tony Scott

2402
02:01:55,439 --> 02:01:58,319
who was by Coastal. She was in Passenge of Carolin,

2403
02:01:58,359 --> 02:02:01,239
New York, but a lot of San Francisco stuff. But yeah,

2404
02:02:01,279 --> 02:02:02,800
it's not her, And I love to know who that

2405
02:02:02,920 --> 02:02:04,359
is because she's quite amusing.

2406
02:02:04,640 --> 02:02:08,119
Speaker 2: The receptionist teger. Yeah, yeah, she's very.

2407
02:02:08,279 --> 02:02:11,159
Speaker 3: She doesn't do nudity, so I assume she might know

2408
02:02:11,279 --> 02:02:14,199
like a real actress who just answered a call and

2409
02:02:14,520 --> 02:02:17,640
you in the uc A casting call and UC Berkeley,

2410
02:02:17,720 --> 02:02:20,119
like like Barry said, he put out.

2411
02:02:20,439 --> 02:02:23,039
Speaker 1: And I think her character in the movie mostly just

2412
02:02:23,319 --> 02:02:27,600
talks Spanish, probably like you know, complaining of complaining about

2413
02:02:27,760 --> 02:02:30,239
about Serena's character or whatever. So most of her stuff

2414
02:02:30,319 --> 02:02:32,159
is right, is not even you know, I don't know Spanish,

2415
02:02:32,199 --> 02:02:33,560
so I don't even know what she's talking about. But

2416
02:02:33,640 --> 02:02:34,720
I'm sure it's not good.

2417
02:02:34,840 --> 02:02:35,560
Speaker 4: You know, right?

2418
02:02:36,319 --> 02:02:38,560
Speaker 3: Well, you know something I wondered about this, and maybe

2419
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:40,720
Barry can answer this if you talk to Barry again,

2420
02:02:42,079 --> 02:02:45,560
is was the actress he originally cast? Couldn't he have

2421
02:02:45,680 --> 02:02:47,479
just put her in any one of these other roles?

2422
02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:50,359
So I'm wondering if one of these good questions is

2423
02:02:51,159 --> 02:02:55,359
one of the women that he Maybe it's Martha del Rio, possibly,

2424
02:02:55,439 --> 02:02:59,039
maybe it's Brandy Saunders. I don't know, but yeah, i'd

2425
02:02:59,119 --> 02:03:01,520
like to know that, just because it makes sense. If

2426
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:03,920
you like this girl enough and she're reading lines with

2427
02:03:04,000 --> 02:03:05,319
her and you like her, just keep her on and

2428
02:03:05,399 --> 02:03:08,199
cast her in another word, right, right? So I'm wondering

2429
02:03:08,199 --> 02:03:10,680
if that's the case and he just didn't mention.

2430
02:03:10,760 --> 02:03:14,319
Speaker 2: Or I mean, yeah, I can't see her being you know,

2431
02:03:14,439 --> 02:03:16,560
big shot in him and saying, well, if I'm at

2432
02:03:16,560 --> 02:03:18,600
the lead, I don't want any part. I don't see

2433
02:03:18,640 --> 02:03:20,039
that happening in this industry.

2434
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:23,479
Speaker 3: Probably not. I mean, the pay would be less because

2435
02:03:23,520 --> 02:03:25,720
obviously Serena is in every scene, so the pay would

2436
02:03:25,720 --> 02:03:29,399
be more, but I think she would still probably still

2437
02:03:29,439 --> 02:03:32,159
want to do it, I would think. And she's comfortable

2438
02:03:32,159 --> 02:03:34,239
with nunity obviously because she was going to play the

2439
02:03:34,319 --> 02:03:37,680
lead in this. So yeah, I just I wonder that's

2440
02:03:37,760 --> 02:03:39,840
that's my big question that I have for Barry after

2441
02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:42,079
her conversation with you, because he answered everything else I

2442
02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:44,399
wanted to know, I think, so.

2443
02:03:45,079 --> 02:03:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if if they were talking about Marcia del Rio,

2444
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:50,079
she's on the phone with Barry at about the nine

2445
02:03:50,159 --> 02:03:55,039
minute march. Yeah, he's the bearded guy. I sent him

2446
02:03:55,039 --> 02:03:57,760
a screenshot of that and he was just like, it's

2447
02:03:58,039 --> 02:04:00,359
very amusing to see myself with a beard from so

2448
02:04:00,600 --> 02:04:02,560
long ago, over fifty years.

2449
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:06,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. I'm glad you called him. Gentry.

2450
02:04:06,439 --> 02:04:08,720
I gotta tell you, I'm really proud of you. I'm

2451
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:12,560
really proud of you. This is this is Yeah, I was.

2452
02:04:12,680 --> 02:04:15,439
I'm very impressed because I was just like, Gentry will

2453
02:04:15,439 --> 02:04:16,880
reach out to him and he'll see what happens. And

2454
02:04:16,960 --> 02:04:20,279
then no, you really did like major reconnaissance, So like, yeah, no,

2455
02:04:20,439 --> 02:04:23,159
I was. I was wildly impressed and proud. You continue

2456
02:04:23,159 --> 02:04:26,159
to make you proud, sir. Yeah, thank you well, Barry's also.

2457
02:04:26,399 --> 02:04:28,239
You know, sometimes you get a hold of those people

2458
02:04:28,319 --> 02:04:32,520
that are still wanting to be known, they still want

2459
02:04:32,640 --> 02:04:36,319
their story out there. Sometimes that's not the case Barry is,

2460
02:04:36,439 --> 02:04:37,479
and you happen to you.

2461
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,920
Speaker 2: Yes, I have had that happen to me. But Barry, Yeah,

2462
02:04:41,000 --> 02:04:43,720
he's eighty five years old, but he's still working, he's

2463
02:04:43,760 --> 02:04:44,680
trying to do stuff.

2464
02:04:45,000 --> 02:04:48,199
Speaker 1: Well, he has that, he has that YouTube channel yep, and.

2465
02:04:49,760 --> 02:04:50,319
Speaker 3: Some of those.

2466
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:54,760
Speaker 1: I was watching his tripping short. I don't remember what

2467
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:56,720
he was if he had like a name for his

2468
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:59,000
technique or whatever, but he was like painting on film

2469
02:04:59,159 --> 02:04:59,800
or whatever it was.

2470
02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:02,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was.

2471
02:05:02,560 --> 02:05:05,439
Speaker 1: I was kind of fascinated by those because it was, uh,

2472
02:05:05,800 --> 02:05:08,039
they obviously were made in the mid seventies. It looked

2473
02:05:08,119 --> 02:05:11,680
like and it looked like he's just taking blank film

2474
02:05:12,399 --> 02:05:16,560
and he's painting everything on each frame and it's either

2475
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:17,760
scratching or painting.

2476
02:05:18,920 --> 02:05:19,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2477
02:05:19,479 --> 02:05:21,760
Speaker 1: So and so that was what was what was really

2478
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:25,399
intriguing to me, is because you know, obviously the audio

2479
02:05:25,560 --> 02:05:27,960
track is off to the side, it's not the main

2480
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:31,960
the main image, so whatever he's because the audio matches

2481
02:05:32,079 --> 02:05:34,920
the the image on screen, So that means that he's

2482
02:05:35,039 --> 02:05:37,760
not only is he you know, for those who don't

2483
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:39,960
know what we're talking about, just let's say you have

2484
02:05:40,119 --> 02:05:43,279
a black image and you've taken a toothpick and you've

2485
02:05:43,319 --> 02:05:46,960
scratched out a design in that in that frame with

2486
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:49,119
what whatever that image is now, whether it be a

2487
02:05:49,159 --> 02:05:52,239
squiggly line or some x's or crosses or whatnot. And

2488
02:05:52,359 --> 02:05:54,000
so he has to do that on every single one

2489
02:05:54,000 --> 02:05:57,119
of those frames. There's no duplicating anything. So he he

2490
02:05:57,239 --> 02:06:01,439
has to basically animate that that film, but for the

2491
02:06:01,560 --> 02:06:05,359
audio to match the lines that he scraped scratching in there,

2492
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:08,000
he's going to do that in the the side of

2493
02:06:08,039 --> 02:06:10,880
the frame as well, to scratch the audio, you know,

2494
02:06:11,079 --> 02:06:13,800
in blips. Yeah, yeah, to make to make it match

2495
02:06:13,880 --> 02:06:16,920
what's on the screen. So it's almost like you're looking

2496
02:06:17,039 --> 02:06:20,600
at the sound strip being animated, but that's not what this.

2497
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,039
That's not the sound strip. The soundstrap is strip is

2498
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:25,920
not visible to you, right, So, and it was it

2499
02:06:26,039 --> 02:06:28,279
was intriguing to me, and I wonder if like kind

2500
02:06:28,279 --> 02:06:29,600
of the first thing that I thought about was the

2501
02:06:29,680 --> 02:06:33,000
residence the group the residents that were from the Bay

2502
02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:35,079
They were from the Bay area and I and I

2503
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:37,840
kind of thought like this could be like part of

2504
02:06:37,960 --> 02:06:40,760
this could be a residence song, like you know they

2505
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:42,279
like they have an album. I think it's called the

2506
02:06:42,319 --> 02:06:44,720
Commercial Album that the Residents did, and it was forty

2507
02:06:44,800 --> 02:06:46,479
songs and every one of them was a minute long

2508
02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:49,079
and they were all these little weird, weird soundscapes and

2509
02:06:49,159 --> 02:06:52,359
things with like some lyrics and and everything the Residents

2510
02:06:52,399 --> 02:06:55,600
have ever done is an art piece. So it reminded

2511
02:06:55,640 --> 02:06:57,560
me of that, thinking like this could be like.

2512
02:06:57,880 --> 02:06:59,720
Speaker 2: I think it's all the same scene and all.

2513
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:02,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and art was just the song, you know, like it,

2514
02:07:02,359 --> 02:07:05,800
and and to think about that, like I think one

2515
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:10,119
of them was fifteen minutes long. I mean that's a lot.

2516
02:07:10,479 --> 02:07:16,000
That's a lot of frames, yeah, to do manually, and

2517
02:07:16,119 --> 02:07:18,000
how long did that end to color? Like there's some

2518
02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:20,399
of them had to be flashes of color, so he's

2519
02:07:20,479 --> 02:07:23,840
coloring these all in. Like how meticulous that is, even

2520
02:07:24,399 --> 02:07:28,119
as it's most simplistic because he's using simplistic designs, it's

2521
02:07:28,159 --> 02:07:31,680
not super elaborate, but it is elaborate when you when

2522
02:07:31,720 --> 02:07:34,600
you understand how it had to be created. So that

2523
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:38,800
whole process that he was trying to do is very

2524
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:44,479
curious to me and very intriguing and highly interesting even

2525
02:07:44,960 --> 02:07:47,800
every day. Yeah, yeah, and well and also even to

2526
02:07:47,920 --> 02:07:50,640
think like you know that like could be like you know,

2527
02:07:50,960 --> 02:07:53,479
a throbbing gristle song or something something odd.

2528
02:07:53,279 --> 02:07:55,399
Speaker 2: Like, because it does have a beat in a rhythm. Yeah,

2529
02:07:55,399 --> 02:07:58,640
when you watch these shorts that Berry made, yeah, it's

2530
02:07:59,399 --> 02:08:01,600
he's created a little song for sure.

2531
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 1: So I just I thought that, yeah, really really interesting.

2532
02:08:05,279 --> 02:08:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah it is if you suffer from like, you know, epilepsy,

2533
02:08:10,239 --> 02:08:11,640
I probably wouldn't watch it, but.

2534
02:08:14,079 --> 02:08:16,800
Speaker 1: Or are annoyed by harsh sounds. You know, he repeated

2535
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:19,119
harsh sounds, but really interesting stuff.

2536
02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:46,800
Speaker 2: But that was kind of his thing. It sounds like

2537
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:50,000
for a while there was doing these hand drawn sound

2538
02:08:50,119 --> 02:08:53,680
and picture pieces and you know I found evidence. Yeah,

2539
02:08:53,720 --> 02:08:55,800
he was teaching. He would have classes. You could go

2540
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:58,319
to his classes and make your own little version of

2541
02:08:59,079 --> 02:09:01,439
a Barry spinella. I don't know if he ever came

2542
02:09:01,560 --> 02:09:04,359
up with like a term for how he described these

2543
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:07,560
these little movies, but yeah, that was his thing out

2544
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:10,560
in Berkeley. Abstract films. Yeah, I mean I've sat he

2545
02:09:10,960 --> 02:09:15,359
had films playing with Stan Brackage. Like that's the kind

2546
02:09:15,399 --> 02:09:17,880
of company, sense, that's the kind of company he was keeping.

2547
02:09:18,039 --> 02:09:19,439
He was a he was kind of a mover and

2548
02:09:19,520 --> 02:09:22,520
shaker in this in this world. But as we've seen

2549
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:25,920
with some of these other sexploitation filmmakers that maybe came

2550
02:09:26,039 --> 02:09:30,720
from a more avant garde background, Like the line between

2551
02:09:31,439 --> 02:09:34,880
sex film and art film, especially in San Francisco, was

2552
02:09:35,800 --> 02:09:39,039
got pretty thin, you know, that line at a certain point.

2553
02:09:39,159 --> 02:09:42,000
Speaker 3: Well, that art scene really probably because there's something because

2554
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:46,199
it's all it's all counterculture. It's all very like, it's

2555
02:09:46,279 --> 02:09:49,840
all very against what the mainstream culture is. It's like

2556
02:09:49,920 --> 02:09:52,199
developing our own culture. So even like the Mitchell Brothers

2557
02:09:52,520 --> 02:09:55,239
and Derenzy and the Pickets, like they would have like

2558
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:59,479
minds and dance troops and like local rock bands and

2559
02:09:59,640 --> 02:10:02,520
artists and stuff like that in their films because their

2560
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:05,199
worlds collided. That was just part of the culture. So

2561
02:10:05,319 --> 02:10:08,000
it makes sense that he would eventually do like Bizarre

2562
02:10:08,079 --> 02:10:11,000
Devices and in this film. It's just it's just so

2563
02:10:11,159 --> 02:10:14,680
interesting that it was like considerably. It was several years

2564
02:10:14,800 --> 02:10:17,800
after keep been doing the experiment and stuff for several

2565
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:21,840
years until he kind of made that transition and then

2566
02:10:21,880 --> 02:10:24,359
transitioned back and did documentaries and stuff.

2567
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:27,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I asked Barry about that as well.

2568
02:10:27,319 --> 02:10:31,239
I was just like, you know, going into making. I

2569
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:33,479
asked them, I'm like, can I call these sex films?

2570
02:10:33,560 --> 02:10:35,720
And he's like, yeah, that's yeah, that's fine. I was like,

2571
02:10:35,800 --> 02:10:40,920
so making yeah, you know, he made a pair of them.

2572
02:10:41,119 --> 02:10:43,359
I think we can call both of those sex films

2573
02:10:43,720 --> 02:10:46,840
bizarre devices and this. I was like, did you bring

2574
02:10:46,960 --> 02:10:50,760
any of that avant garde experimental background, you know, into

2575
02:10:50,840 --> 02:10:53,279
making these? And he was just like, no, they were

2576
02:10:53,439 --> 02:10:57,600
just projects for money, something I did, Yeah, just something

2577
02:10:57,680 --> 02:10:59,279
I did. But you know, I asked them as well,

2578
02:10:59,439 --> 02:11:01,960
just like did you have consider using a pseudonym because

2579
02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:04,840
you know, you had this, your name was already established

2580
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:07,960
on making these art films. And again he was just like, no,

2581
02:11:08,159 --> 02:11:11,079
I'm not. I was never embarrassed about anything I did.

2582
02:11:11,159 --> 02:11:15,319
It just it's not something that I necessarily want to

2583
02:11:16,399 --> 02:11:21,079
market myself as making, having had made. Now because he's

2584
02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:24,439
trying to do different things, so he doesn't talk about

2585
02:11:24,439 --> 02:11:26,800
them as much, but he's definitely not embarrassed about them

2586
02:11:26,800 --> 02:11:27,319
in any way.

2587
02:11:27,800 --> 02:11:31,600
Speaker 1: Well, didn't didn't one of his documentary shorts win an

2588
02:11:31,600 --> 02:11:35,600
Academy Award or something like that, Like so I don't,

2589
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:38,319
I don't remember the name. But there's the two that

2590
02:11:38,560 --> 02:11:40,880
that you had in the show notes, there's one it's

2591
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:43,880
like a Day in the Life of Carol Bonolo or

2592
02:11:43,920 --> 02:11:44,520
something like that.

2593
02:11:45,319 --> 02:11:46,079
Speaker 2: Is that what it's called.

2594
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:48,600
Speaker 1: And that's I think that's the one that got that

2595
02:11:48,720 --> 02:11:51,520
may have gotten nominated or won the Academy Award about

2596
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:53,800
the woman that was born with Yeah, she was born

2597
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:54,600
with no arms, and.

2598
02:11:54,680 --> 02:11:55,920
Speaker 2: Which is up on his YouTube.

2599
02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:56,159
Speaker 1: Yep.

2600
02:11:56,680 --> 02:11:59,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so the day in the life in Bonnie Consolo.

2601
02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:02,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what it is. Yeah, and that's that's

2602
02:12:02,439 --> 02:12:05,159
really interesting. And then I haven't seen the other one,

2603
02:12:05,239 --> 02:12:07,520
but he apparently did another one, like a Day in

2604
02:12:07,560 --> 02:12:10,640
the Life of Sharon Thorpe. So he's going, yeah, dying

2605
02:12:10,720 --> 02:12:14,359
to see that he's doing a you know, like it's

2606
02:12:15,319 --> 02:12:17,840
it's it's kind of like respectful in a way where

2607
02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:19,840
it just seems like he's not he doesn't shy away

2608
02:12:19,840 --> 02:12:23,000
from from topics, so it isn't like, you know, it

2609
02:12:23,079 --> 02:12:27,239
isn't like he's I would I'm assuming that the the

2610
02:12:27,479 --> 02:12:32,159
general narrative of the Sharon Thorpe one. Again, haven't seen it,

2611
02:12:32,399 --> 02:12:34,840
but I'm assuming that it's it would be a similar

2612
02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:39,159
narrative to the one of the woman Born without the arms,

2613
02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:42,199
where it's just a fly on the wall. Here's here's

2614
02:12:42,239 --> 02:12:45,560
what it is. No judgment, like, you know, this is

2615
02:12:45,720 --> 02:12:47,840
just what this person does on a daily basis, and

2616
02:12:48,039 --> 02:12:49,119
take it. Take it as it is.

2617
02:12:49,479 --> 02:12:52,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it is. Yeah, I haven't because the yeah,

2618
02:12:52,399 --> 02:12:56,159
the the Armless Woman one. Yeah, she narrates it. She's

2619
02:12:56,359 --> 02:12:57,640
she's just telling her story.

2620
02:12:57,760 --> 02:12:57,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2621
02:12:58,279 --> 02:13:00,239
Speaker 2: From all I've read about the Sharon Thorpe one, it's

2622
02:13:00,279 --> 02:13:03,920
the same way Sharon does narrate it. And it's yeah,

2623
02:13:04,000 --> 02:13:06,359
it's just I did find a.

2624
02:13:06,439 --> 02:13:11,279
Speaker 1: Clip online a couple of days ago of Sharon Thorpe

2625
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:14,600
doing like an interview mm hmm, and it was it

2626
02:13:14,720 --> 02:13:16,279
was little. I didn't watch the whole thing. I just

2627
02:13:16,359 --> 02:13:18,039
kind of skimmed through it. It was it was lengthy,

2628
02:13:18,439 --> 02:13:20,560
but it had like hardcore inserts.

2629
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:22,840
Speaker 3: In it, so that's different. I can tell you what

2630
02:13:22,920 --> 02:13:28,439
that is. Yeah, So essentially I think enough people saw this.

2631
02:13:29,000 --> 02:13:32,359
There was a guy named Richard Wilton who then proceeded

2632
02:13:32,399 --> 02:13:35,640
to make three films that are very similar to that film.

2633
02:13:36,000 --> 02:13:39,079
He made a movie called Sharon's Rosebud, which is an

2634
02:13:39,159 --> 02:13:43,039
interview with Sharon, but it's a fictionalized interview, and then

2635
02:13:43,079 --> 02:13:45,119
he did another one. He did another one where it's

2636
02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:48,800
Joan Devlin and Spring Finlay and he interviews both of

2637
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:50,680
them and it's like, well, what it's like being a

2638
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:52,520
porn star blah blah blah, and the proceeds to show

2639
02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:55,159
them have sex scenes. So I feel like this, this

2640
02:13:56,079 --> 02:13:59,880
this small independent documentary about Sharon Thorpe. Somebody in the

2641
02:14:00,039 --> 02:14:02,960
corn business saw specifically this guy and decided, you know what,

2642
02:14:03,399 --> 02:14:05,199
I could make a porn like this, and then he

2643
02:14:05,319 --> 02:14:09,600
just succeeded to carbon copy it with Sharon and Sharon's

2644
02:14:09,680 --> 02:14:12,680
Rosebud came out. It's just kind of like something weird

2645
02:14:12,760 --> 02:14:14,279
put that out. So that's what that is.

2646
02:14:14,520 --> 02:14:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's yes.

2647
02:14:16,039 --> 02:14:17,720
Speaker 3: And for the longest time I thought it was the

2648
02:14:17,760 --> 02:14:20,479
same movie, and then I really oh, and I realized, oh, no,

2649
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:22,680
this is not the same movie because there's no hardcore

2650
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:22,880
in this.

2651
02:14:23,039 --> 02:14:24,880
Speaker 1: It's just and that's that's what I kind of figured.

2652
02:14:24,920 --> 02:14:27,439
I figured it was it was the film and they

2653
02:14:27,600 --> 02:14:32,680
they added something extra to it or possibly was inspired

2654
02:14:32,720 --> 02:14:35,239
by the one. Yeah, he had done.

2655
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sharon's Rosebud is good. But yeah, it's it's very

2656
02:14:38,840 --> 02:14:40,640
it's obviously it's obviously staged.

2657
02:14:41,119 --> 02:14:45,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, do you guys know the status of Sharon

2658
02:14:45,439 --> 02:14:47,039
these days, have you heard anything.

2659
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:50,960
Speaker 3: I've been she is one of many researchers white Whales,

2660
02:14:51,840 --> 02:14:55,359
because I mean that at the time that that movie

2661
02:14:55,840 --> 02:14:59,960
was made, she was really on the cusp of establishing

2662
02:15:00,039 --> 02:15:03,199
herself as like one of the industry's best actresses, because

2663
02:15:03,239 --> 02:15:06,640
while she was regularly working, she wasn't necessarily doing lead

2664
02:15:06,760 --> 02:15:09,159
roles and substantially good movies. So this is before she

2665
02:15:09,319 --> 02:15:12,640
was in like Three Am for Gary grab and Baby

2666
02:15:12,720 --> 02:15:15,319
Rose Married for John Hayes, and Tapestry of Passion for

2667
02:15:15,359 --> 02:15:19,600
Alan Colberg and obviously Sex World for Sam Weston. Those

2668
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:23,880
established her as like one of the most diverse actresses

2669
02:15:23,960 --> 02:15:26,000
this industry has ever seen in ever know, And that's

2670
02:15:26,039 --> 02:15:27,880
why she was one of the first entrants into I

2671
02:15:27,960 --> 02:15:29,880
think the AVN Hall of Fame. But she was one

2672
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:34,000
of the first, I believe. And this is something that

2673
02:15:34,039 --> 02:15:36,199
I've run into with a lot of San Francisco actresses

2674
02:15:36,760 --> 02:15:40,960
is that it's not that they're embarrassed of it. It's

2675
02:15:41,039 --> 02:15:43,239
kind of like Barry, It's not that they're embarrassed about it.

2676
02:15:43,800 --> 02:15:46,000
It's just that that was a part of their life

2677
02:15:46,079 --> 02:15:51,680
that is passed and there's a mindset of that personality

2678
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:55,560
that thrived in San Francisco, where it's about that was

2679
02:15:55,680 --> 02:15:57,399
one part of my life and now I'm in this

2680
02:15:57,560 --> 02:16:00,720
part of my life, and so I don't look backwards.

2681
02:16:00,800 --> 02:16:03,119
I move forwards and I put all my energy into

2682
02:16:03,239 --> 02:16:05,880
what I am now. I'll tell you who is that Claida?

2683
02:16:06,239 --> 02:16:09,119
Is that Claida? That's why she has not done interviews.

2684
02:16:09,359 --> 02:16:11,439
Cass Paley put me in touch with her, and she

2685
02:16:11,680 --> 02:16:13,479
is like that where she's like, you know, I'm not

2686
02:16:13,560 --> 02:16:15,520
embarrassed about it. I'm proud that I was the first

2687
02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:18,600
woman to direct the first adult movie. Yeah, the first

2688
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:22,520
adult film actress to make the first adult film directed

2689
02:16:22,560 --> 02:16:26,199
by an actress. But that was then, and I'm just

2690
02:16:26,479 --> 02:16:28,960
I'm not that person anymore. I'm proud of who that

2691
02:16:29,079 --> 02:16:31,680
person was, but I'm focused on who I am now.

2692
02:16:32,079 --> 02:16:35,000
And I've run into that with multiple other San Francisco actresses,

2693
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:37,680
and I think that's where Sharon Thorpe is, where it's like,

2694
02:16:37,959 --> 02:16:39,920
not embarrassed about it. I'm proud of what I did,

2695
02:16:40,159 --> 02:16:42,159
but there's no reason for me to look backwards because

2696
02:16:42,959 --> 02:16:44,799
I'm where I am now.

2697
02:16:44,920 --> 02:16:48,440
Speaker 1: In twenty Yes, they've divorced themselves from it. It's like

2698
02:16:48,520 --> 02:16:50,399
asking somebody about their ex wife. So I don't want

2699
02:16:50,399 --> 02:16:51,639
to talk about my ex wife. I want to talk

2700
02:16:51,680 --> 02:16:54,159
about my current wife, right, you know, yeah.

2701
02:16:54,040 --> 02:16:56,639
Speaker 3: Right, or like yeah, yeah, it's just kind of like

2702
02:16:57,159 --> 02:17:02,239
or I mean, I'm trying to think of another life comparison,

2703
02:17:02,600 --> 02:17:05,440
or like there are people who like, for example, someone

2704
02:17:05,559 --> 02:17:07,319
was a teacher at one point. Oh you know, another

2705
02:17:07,360 --> 02:17:11,120
good example is Barbara Mills. Barbara Mills actress, then she

2706
02:17:11,360 --> 02:17:13,639
was an artist, then she was a teacher, then she

2707
02:17:13,799 --> 02:17:16,120
did this, and it's like, well, an actress on a

2708
02:17:16,200 --> 02:17:18,159
model was a part of my life and then I

2709
02:17:18,239 --> 02:17:20,000
stopped doing it and I became an artist, and I

2710
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:22,120
became a teacher, and it's just like, yeah, so I

2711
02:17:22,200 --> 02:17:25,520
don't think about that part of my life. So I

2712
02:17:25,559 --> 02:17:27,280
think that's where Sharon Thorpe is because I know that

2713
02:17:27,319 --> 02:17:29,479
there are people who have been trying. I know Cas

2714
02:17:29,680 --> 02:17:30,479
definitely was trying.

2715
02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:33,079
Speaker 2: Well, Barry's trying to get in touch with her as well,

2716
02:17:33,559 --> 02:17:37,879
because yeah, apparently he still has he has the sixteen

2717
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,040
milimeter for this this short film.

2718
02:17:40,639 --> 02:17:43,399
Speaker 3: I would say, Barry, if you have that talent release

2719
02:17:43,440 --> 02:17:44,719
for him, you don't need her permission.

2720
02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah he does, he knows that.

2721
02:17:47,079 --> 02:17:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more respect thing, get it.

2722
02:17:50,200 --> 02:17:52,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's get in touch with her out of respect,

2723
02:17:53,440 --> 02:17:56,079
I guess so, but I've told him that, you know,

2724
02:17:56,239 --> 02:18:00,440
if he if he feels comfortable releasing it, you know

2725
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:03,000
we can we can point him in the right direction.

2726
02:18:03,520 --> 02:18:08,440
Speaker 3: So yes, well I guess my question. Well, yes, Mark,

2727
02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:10,159
where are you again?

2728
02:18:10,239 --> 02:18:11,040
Speaker 2: Where are you located?

2729
02:18:11,239 --> 02:18:11,799
Speaker 1: Sacramento?

2730
02:18:12,280 --> 02:18:12,559
Speaker 2: Okay?

2731
02:18:12,680 --> 02:18:15,239
Speaker 1: California is okay. I can transfer it.

2732
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:17,479
Speaker 3: You guys are in the same state at least, but

2733
02:18:17,559 --> 02:18:18,319
it's a giant.

2734
02:18:21,440 --> 02:18:23,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'll I'll be in southern California in two weeks,

2735
02:18:23,959 --> 02:18:25,559
so I can stop by his house if he's down

2736
02:18:25,600 --> 02:18:26,120
there or something.

2737
02:18:26,159 --> 02:18:28,799
Speaker 2: So I told him if he needs a helping hand

2738
02:18:29,360 --> 02:18:32,040
to go through his materials, we might be able to.

2739
02:18:32,440 --> 02:18:35,559
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, because he meant didn't He mentioned too that

2740
02:18:35,639 --> 02:18:39,040
he might have something on bizarre devices too, yes, which, yeah,

2741
02:18:39,159 --> 02:18:42,079
that's pretty major, to which I didn't know until you

2742
02:18:42,440 --> 02:18:44,399
put it in the notes at your conversation with him.

2743
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:47,120
I didn't know it was a satire on pornography. And

2744
02:18:47,200 --> 02:18:51,000
now I'm like doubly interested in seeing it, because you

2745
02:18:51,079 --> 02:18:54,799
don't see satires of pornography in the middle of pornography,

2746
02:18:54,879 --> 02:18:57,440
not off that like, it's very rare to be that

2747
02:18:57,520 --> 02:19:00,319
self aware yeah, I'm intrigued.

2748
02:19:00,479 --> 02:19:03,120
Speaker 2: So I'll yeah, I'll keep talking to Barry and see

2749
02:19:03,159 --> 02:19:05,319
what's going on so you can find it. But as

2750
02:19:05,399 --> 02:19:09,360
you know, yeah, he's he's got stuff like you have stuff, Mark,

2751
02:19:09,399 --> 02:19:11,200
and sometimes it takes time to find it.

2752
02:19:11,520 --> 02:19:11,719
Speaker 1: Yep.

2753
02:19:12,799 --> 02:19:16,639
Speaker 3: But I do love that he is still still like

2754
02:19:17,120 --> 02:19:20,120
I got, I got fires going, I got projects I

2755
02:19:20,239 --> 02:19:23,479
want to do like you have. He's got that drive

2756
02:19:23,879 --> 02:19:26,680
that Adrian and the toy people. This this script he.

2757
02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:31,079
Speaker 2: Wrote that had issues with the Spielberg Company about Yes,

2758
02:19:31,559 --> 02:19:33,559
you can read all about it. It's it was a

2759
02:19:33,680 --> 02:19:36,319
news item. He's still trying to get that made and

2760
02:19:36,479 --> 02:19:40,680
he's gotten some good feelers from people, so we'll see

2761
02:19:40,719 --> 02:19:42,840
what happens with that. But yeah, he says that he's

2762
02:19:43,040 --> 02:19:46,360
he's gotten great feedback from a few people to get

2763
02:19:46,399 --> 02:19:49,319
that made, and we'll see that would be great. Yeah.

2764
02:19:49,399 --> 02:19:51,479
Speaker 3: Please do not let it be someone who's gonna use

2765
02:19:51,520 --> 02:19:56,600
AI to bring their soldiers to life. Please that I

2766
02:19:56,639 --> 02:19:57,200
don't think.

2767
02:19:58,760 --> 02:20:02,319
Speaker 2: Fucking berries background. He's very you know, his hand drawn.

2768
02:20:02,360 --> 02:20:05,000
Speaker 3: Actually, you're right, because the fact that he was so

2769
02:20:05,360 --> 02:20:07,879
he was very on top of the lawsuit about that

2770
02:20:08,239 --> 02:20:11,200
and very meticulous about making service. I think he would be.

2771
02:20:11,600 --> 02:20:13,399
I think that would probably be part of his agreement

2772
02:20:13,440 --> 02:20:15,280
if he was going to move forward, would be like,

2773
02:20:15,399 --> 02:20:17,719
you know what, we're not going to do this AI thing,

2774
02:20:18,559 --> 02:20:19,760
And that's kind of the agreement.

2775
02:20:20,079 --> 02:20:22,479
Speaker 1: And that might be the deal breaker now for companies,

2776
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:25,479
for companies to to you know, jump on board.

2777
02:20:25,639 --> 02:20:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that bubble is getting ready, I'm telling right now.

2778
02:20:29,159 --> 02:20:32,680
Speaker 1: Company companies may may want the when if they're going

2779
02:20:32,719 --> 02:20:35,719
to buy a project, they're gonna want the opportunity to

2780
02:20:35,879 --> 02:20:40,079
to to produce it in any way that they deem necessary,

2781
02:20:40,360 --> 02:20:43,879
whether it be using AI or or you know, end

2782
02:20:43,920 --> 02:20:46,399
the CGI or whatever. So that if he's if he's

2783
02:20:46,479 --> 02:20:49,200
adamant on a project and saying like this is a

2784
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:52,319
deal breaker for me, that's likely a deal breaker for

2785
02:20:52,719 --> 02:20:55,520
you know, not being able to have that opportunity for

2786
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:56,120
the company.

2787
02:20:56,600 --> 02:20:59,079
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, thanks thanks for the cynical take there, Mark.

2788
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,760
Speaker 1: Well, and that's where that's where his I'm going to say,

2789
02:21:02,760 --> 02:21:04,000
that's where his integrity comes in.

2790
02:21:04,319 --> 02:21:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2791
02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:04,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2792
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:07,719
Speaker 1: It needs to be done the right way, not the

2793
02:21:07,959 --> 02:21:10,280
you know, and this is the way. This what I

2794
02:21:10,440 --> 02:21:12,479
did to determine is the right way is how it's

2795
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:13,319
supposed to be done.

2796
02:21:14,200 --> 02:21:17,079
Speaker 3: Right right, And except as someone who I mean, he

2797
02:21:17,239 --> 02:21:20,440
made films for years, so he knows how to make

2798
02:21:20,520 --> 02:21:22,159
a film, and he also knows the struggles about to

2799
02:21:22,200 --> 02:21:23,959
make a film. But I think he would also agree

2800
02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:27,680
that as a filmmaker, where each film is always has

2801
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:30,879
its challenges, that he wouldn't. I don't think someone who

2802
02:21:31,000 --> 02:21:33,239
works as many years as he did in film would

2803
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:36,319
accept using AI as a solution to any of those

2804
02:21:36,360 --> 02:21:39,840
problems and making his films. I don't think because he's

2805
02:21:39,879 --> 02:21:42,479
too much of a creative just based on his resume

2806
02:21:42,799 --> 02:21:45,159
and based on this film. That's something else that I

2807
02:21:45,559 --> 02:21:47,159
have to say about this film. It's like, you know,

2808
02:21:47,239 --> 02:21:49,479
we've talked about a lot of expectation movies made by

2809
02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:51,799
quote unquote outsiders to the genre, people that are not

2810
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:54,920
part of the industry at all. The Savage Brothers submission,

2811
02:21:55,319 --> 02:21:58,399
they came out of nowhere, came from Broadway, and you know,

2812
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:00,959
came from Broadway and children's theater to make this this

2813
02:22:01,159 --> 02:22:06,120
tone poem of expectation. And so for him to come

2814
02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:10,559
from essentially experimental film and documentary film and make this

2815
02:22:10,680 --> 02:22:14,680
expectation movie, it definitely has a different texture to it.

2816
02:22:15,079 --> 02:22:18,200
I mean it definitely, it definitely checks all the boxes

2817
02:22:18,639 --> 02:22:21,959
of marketability for somebody like Novak. But it's also not

2818
02:22:22,559 --> 02:22:26,360
a phoned in weekend wonder that somebody, maybe more with

2819
02:22:26,440 --> 02:22:28,799
a more cynical approach to making a sex film would

2820
02:22:28,799 --> 02:22:31,159
have where they're trying to pay the bills. It doesn't

2821
02:22:31,159 --> 02:22:32,639
seem like someone trying to pay the bills.

2822
02:22:33,239 --> 02:22:37,079
Speaker 2: It's also very funny. I think, yes, And I want

2823
02:22:37,120 --> 02:22:39,559
to ask Barry more about that, like where did the

2824
02:22:39,680 --> 02:22:42,239
humor come from? Is that all from your script? Is

2825
02:22:42,280 --> 02:22:45,159
that or was that part of the performers improvising. I'd

2826
02:22:45,239 --> 02:22:45,559
like to know.

2827
02:22:46,040 --> 02:22:49,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think that the husband, the Tom character is hilarious,

2828
02:22:51,159 --> 02:22:54,319
especially when he's he's like trembling in the you know,

2829
02:22:54,360 --> 02:22:56,200
in the closet when he's watching this going on, like

2830
02:22:56,280 --> 02:22:58,559
he just he just outside of himself. He can't you know,

2831
02:22:58,680 --> 02:23:00,600
like what am I seeing? What am I doing? Like

2832
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:03,280
he's and he plays that sort of like you know

2833
02:23:03,399 --> 02:23:07,639
that dullared, that dullered male male character that is uh,

2834
02:23:08,319 --> 02:23:11,840
you know, kind of opposed to the sex and then

2835
02:23:12,159 --> 02:23:14,079
realizes it's a good thing at the end, you know,

2836
02:23:14,200 --> 02:23:16,719
like he has his own his his sexual awakening and

2837
02:23:16,799 --> 02:23:19,200
he can partake in all the festivities at the end.

2838
02:23:19,959 --> 02:23:23,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's it's very John Tall. Yeah, it's very John Tall,

2839
02:23:23,479 --> 02:23:27,120
early early Novak. It's very Midnight Plowboy. It's very you know,

2840
02:23:27,399 --> 02:23:30,719
all of all those Pete Perry movies. He even kind

2841
02:23:30,760 --> 02:23:33,280
of looks like John Tall with a mustache. Yeah, that

2842
02:23:33,440 --> 02:23:34,799
I mean. At that point he moved on to working

2843
02:23:34,840 --> 02:23:37,079
with Stu Siegel and Matt Simber behind the scenes. He

2844
02:23:37,159 --> 02:23:41,559
wasn't doing movies anymore in front of the camera. But yeah,

2845
02:23:41,719 --> 02:23:45,280
it's it's I remember that I rated it very high.

2846
02:23:45,719 --> 02:23:47,799
I wouldn't rate it as high as I did, but

2847
02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:50,959
I still would rate it pretty high, especially considering that

2848
02:23:51,239 --> 02:23:53,000
I think i'd rate it four and a half out

2849
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:55,479
of five. I think I would give it like a

2850
02:23:55,559 --> 02:23:58,959
four out of five. I wouldn't. I wouldn't drop that considerably.

2851
02:23:59,200 --> 02:24:02,399
I think because gets well made, it's funny. I love

2852
02:24:02,440 --> 02:24:06,399
the cast. But also something that is often not discussed

2853
02:24:06,520 --> 02:24:10,200
with sex films is are they still erotic? And this

2854
02:24:10,360 --> 02:24:14,120
film is still erotic like sexploitation. It can still be

2855
02:24:14,200 --> 02:24:18,079
erotic fifty years later. That's fine. I think people kind

2856
02:24:18,120 --> 02:24:20,239
of like, well, it's just all sex, Like who cares

2857
02:24:20,239 --> 02:24:22,079
about it's it's just all sex or something else too.

2858
02:24:22,079 --> 02:24:22,120
Speaker 4: It.

2859
02:24:22,200 --> 02:24:24,799
Speaker 3: It's like, if the sex is effectively done and everyone

2860
02:24:24,840 --> 02:24:27,479
looks like they're having a blast, that is a success

2861
02:24:27,520 --> 02:24:29,319
story for a sex film. That's what you want.

2862
02:24:30,120 --> 02:24:34,040
Speaker 1: So it's funny too, because one of the things that

2863
02:24:34,120 --> 02:24:37,799
I really noticed is they've bookend the movie with At

2864
02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:41,360
the beginning is a hairy butt crack opening in the

2865
02:24:41,399 --> 02:24:44,280
opening credits, and the end credits is a flaccid penis.

2866
02:24:44,719 --> 02:24:45,680
Speaker 2: Yep, like love it.

2867
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:49,360
Speaker 1: That's what you're putting, you know, first and foremost, and

2868
02:24:49,440 --> 02:24:51,600
then at the tail end, but you know what you've

2869
02:24:51,600 --> 02:24:55,360
sandwiched in between. Yes, was a lot of fun and enjoyable,

2870
02:24:55,479 --> 02:24:59,479
and I mean one hundred thousand percent. Serena is so

2871
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:01,280
fucking adorable in.

2872
02:25:01,360 --> 02:25:01,879
Speaker 4: This, you know.

2873
02:25:02,079 --> 02:25:03,920
Speaker 3: That was like she is a star.

2874
02:25:04,239 --> 02:25:08,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, has she seen this since? I mean, I don't

2875
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:12,079
think so. I don't think so. It's hard to get

2876
02:25:12,120 --> 02:25:15,000
her movies and stuff to watch. Right now.

2877
02:25:15,440 --> 02:25:18,079
Speaker 2: Just send her like a short clip of the part

2878
02:25:18,120 --> 02:25:21,879
where they're like twirling her where she's covered in oil

2879
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:24,840
and they twirl her like up top. Oh my god,

2880
02:25:24,879 --> 02:25:25,959
I think that was funny.

2881
02:25:26,399 --> 02:25:28,280
Speaker 1: May I'll send her a screenshot or something and see

2882
02:25:28,319 --> 02:25:29,559
if she remembers anything else.

2883
02:25:29,959 --> 02:25:31,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even care if she remembers. I

2884
02:25:31,879 --> 02:25:34,959
just think it would be entertaining, like show her that,

2885
02:25:35,239 --> 02:25:36,559
like it's just such a fun scene.

2886
02:25:36,799 --> 02:25:38,840
Speaker 1: She would probably just laugh and go and roll her

2887
02:25:38,879 --> 02:25:40,600
eyes and be like, oh my god, you know what

2888
02:25:40,719 --> 02:25:42,719
am I doing? You know that would that would really.

2889
02:25:42,559 --> 02:25:44,959
Speaker 3: Be what her reaction was. Well, that was something I

2890
02:25:45,079 --> 02:25:47,959
ran into because I've only interviewed Serena once and I

2891
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:50,360
actually feel bad I haven't been in as good touch

2892
02:25:50,440 --> 02:25:53,120
with her, just because it was such a good interview

2893
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:57,440
and she really was so sweet and she actually told

2894
02:25:57,479 --> 02:25:58,799
me like I really want to get to know you

2895
02:25:58,959 --> 02:26:00,920
more and things like that, and I just felt bad

2896
02:26:01,000 --> 02:26:03,360
because I was like, who am I to like moather

2897
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:07,319
Serena with conversation or just even trying to be her friend,

2898
02:26:07,399 --> 02:26:09,040
Like who am I? But we did that. We did

2899
02:26:09,079 --> 02:26:11,360
an interview for Phantasm. I was like, do you want

2900
02:26:11,360 --> 02:26:12,920
to see the movie first? And I think she said no,

2901
02:26:13,040 --> 02:26:14,559
I kind of remember. Can you just remind me what

2902
02:26:14,639 --> 02:26:15,719
I didn't? And I was like, yeah it was these

2903
02:26:15,719 --> 02:26:18,520
Australian people. She's like, oh I remember, Yeah, Marvel got

2904
02:26:18,559 --> 02:26:21,600
me involved. But that interview was interesting to me because

2905
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:25,520
we talked about the film and other films obviously, but

2906
02:26:25,639 --> 02:26:28,520
we talked so much about her art and her trip

2907
02:26:28,559 --> 02:26:30,319
to Paris, and the best parts of her trip to

2908
02:26:30,360 --> 02:26:32,559
Paris were going to all the museums and seeing all

2909
02:26:32,600 --> 02:26:35,520
the art and stuff. And I was like, that's I

2910
02:26:35,680 --> 02:26:39,159
was like, write serenas and artists. I completely forgot it.

2911
02:26:40,000 --> 02:26:43,120
You know, it's not She's not just this incredible sexual being.

2912
02:26:43,280 --> 02:26:44,079
She's an artist.

2913
02:26:44,360 --> 02:26:46,719
Speaker 1: That's how she would describe herself, and that and the

2914
02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:49,719
sexual part of her her life there is part of

2915
02:26:49,799 --> 02:26:50,200
her art.

2916
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:54,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's just she's magical and I should reach

2917
02:26:55,000 --> 02:26:56,600
back out to her. I feel bad that I haven't

2918
02:26:56,600 --> 02:26:59,399
been in touch with her, but yeah, like that's That's

2919
02:26:59,479 --> 02:27:02,239
one of my time traits is that once I don't

2920
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:05,120
like to, I try not to bother people like emailing them,

2921
02:27:05,159 --> 02:27:06,680
are checking in because I feel like I am being

2922
02:27:06,719 --> 02:27:07,040
a bother.

2923
02:27:07,680 --> 02:27:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then so you also don't want to feel

2924
02:27:10,360 --> 02:27:12,559
like you're just using someone for information and then just

2925
02:27:12,959 --> 02:27:13,959
absolutely not know.

2926
02:27:14,120 --> 02:27:17,760
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly right. So, like my my auntie is Georgina Spelvin,

2927
02:27:17,879 --> 02:27:19,520
so I still check in with her every once in

2928
02:27:19,559 --> 02:27:22,360
a while, and that's my that's my auntie Georgie. Yeah,

2929
02:27:22,440 --> 02:27:27,920
but she's yeah, she's yeah, I'm worried about her.

2930
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:31,360
Speaker 1: But but didn't she just turned ninety.

2931
02:27:32,319 --> 02:27:35,760
Speaker 3: She did, and she's she can't she really can't hear.

2932
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,520
You can't really call her on the phone. But she

2933
02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:39,639
still checks emails every once in a while, so I

2934
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:40,319
check out with her.

2935
02:27:40,399 --> 02:27:44,280
Speaker 1: But yeah, Paul Johnson just turned ninety, so I'm you know,

2936
02:27:44,959 --> 02:27:48,719
he's doing well. He's great, but I am concerned just

2937
02:27:48,799 --> 02:27:51,079
because of you know, how old he is. And and

2938
02:27:51,680 --> 02:27:54,680
you know, if anybody doesn't recognize the name, Paul Johnson

2939
02:27:54,840 --> 02:28:01,840
was a photographer. He created the first single scenario magazine

2940
02:28:02,159 --> 02:28:04,000
where it wasn't just a you know, a bunch of

2941
02:28:04,040 --> 02:28:06,600
photo shoots randomly inserted. It would be like the first

2942
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:08,680
one was called Opera Night, where it's this couple who

2943
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:11,239
dress up like they're going to the opera, and the

2944
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:14,239
sequence of the photos, Yeah, the sequence of the photos

2945
02:28:14,280 --> 02:28:16,600
plays out where they're you know, they've the foreplay and

2946
02:28:16,879 --> 02:28:20,159
the sex activity and everything. And and I love him

2947
02:28:20,200 --> 02:28:22,559
to death, and he he likely was the one who

2948
02:28:22,639 --> 02:28:26,840
created the pov in porn because as a photographer, he

2949
02:28:27,760 --> 02:28:31,799
realized that that he was paying the male models to

2950
02:28:32,000 --> 02:28:34,840
live out his fantasy. So then he started putting himself

2951
02:28:34,920 --> 02:28:39,479
as the model. And that's when when Aunt Peg Juliette

2952
02:28:39,600 --> 02:28:42,040
joined up with him and became like his assistant. So

2953
02:28:42,200 --> 02:28:44,319
he would direct her and she would help set up

2954
02:28:44,319 --> 02:28:46,879
the photo shoots where she would operate the camera while

2955
02:28:46,920 --> 02:28:49,639
he was posing in the in the pictures. You know,

2956
02:28:49,840 --> 02:28:53,280
you can often tell it's it's an odd scenario where

2957
02:28:53,399 --> 02:28:55,559
like I'm so familiar with him, his work and him

2958
02:28:55,680 --> 02:28:58,879
that I can recognize his penis in pictures. You know,

2959
02:28:59,319 --> 02:29:01,440
it's like I know it. Jamie Gillisons Dick looks like

2960
02:29:01,559 --> 02:29:04,360
I know, you know, you know, like you it's it's

2961
02:29:04,360 --> 02:29:09,680
an odd thing to admit, not for me, but yeah,

2962
02:29:12,280 --> 02:29:12,840
but it's.

2963
02:29:12,719 --> 02:29:14,680
Speaker 3: Weird for me to be able to identify tits.

2964
02:29:14,840 --> 02:29:18,319
Speaker 1: But Paul, I love him to death.

2965
02:29:18,719 --> 02:29:18,879
Speaker 2: You know.

2966
02:29:18,959 --> 02:29:21,000
Speaker 1: He he does rock climbing. He has like one of

2967
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:23,280
those rock climbing groups that he like, the indoor rock

2968
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:25,040
climbing that he does, and he goes and he does

2969
02:29:25,079 --> 02:29:27,479
that a couple of times a week and and they

2970
02:29:27,680 --> 02:29:29,799
you know, I mean, I love I love the guy.

2971
02:29:29,799 --> 02:29:32,719
I saw him a couple of weeks ago and got

2972
02:29:32,799 --> 02:29:35,600
some stuff from him, and it amazes me what he

2973
02:29:35,680 --> 02:29:38,520
still remembers. He gave me a bunch of blow ups

2974
02:29:38,680 --> 02:29:41,840
of some photos of his and some magazine covers like

2975
02:29:41,959 --> 02:29:44,079
Jay Bird and stuff that he had shot in the sixties,

2976
02:29:44,600 --> 02:29:46,840
and he's telling me, like, this guy was a biker

2977
02:29:46,959 --> 02:29:49,239
and he worked for you know, he was the head

2978
02:29:49,280 --> 02:29:51,639
of this biker group and this thing over here, and

2979
02:29:52,159 --> 02:29:54,600
and you know, so sometimes his memory is like spot on,

2980
02:29:54,719 --> 02:29:56,920
and it amazes me. And I'll tell you something that

2981
02:29:57,000 --> 02:29:58,600
bugs the ship out of me and you're gonna be

2982
02:29:58,719 --> 02:30:03,040
upset by it, to case and then used to gentry me.

2983
02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:06,879
So I've done well because you may you might be

2984
02:30:06,920 --> 02:30:11,799
able to relate. I've interviewed Paul extensively on recordings twice,

2985
02:30:12,559 --> 02:30:18,120
and both times I've lost those files like because of

2986
02:30:18,799 --> 02:30:22,200
error or just well one guy lost in a hard

2987
02:30:22,280 --> 02:30:26,040
drive crash. And then and then I went back and

2988
02:30:26,079 --> 02:30:27,840
I did another one, and it was like three times

2989
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:30,079
longer than the first one because I'd already established some

2990
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:33,159
story with him from the first time we talked, so

2991
02:30:33,280 --> 02:30:35,559
then I already had, you know, a solid base to

2992
02:30:35,760 --> 02:30:38,479
really question things. And we did probably like a four

2993
02:30:38,559 --> 02:30:41,319
hour interview, and then I don't know what happened to

2994
02:30:41,360 --> 02:30:45,159
the file, like it was there. I'm not you know,

2995
02:30:45,200 --> 02:30:47,559
I copied it from the SD card into the computer,

2996
02:30:47,959 --> 02:30:50,680
but it's gone, and it's just kind of like I

2997
02:30:50,760 --> 02:30:53,040
don't know if I want to bother him again with

2998
02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:57,719
God with that, but like it was like this, you know,

2999
02:30:57,879 --> 02:31:00,879
the story of his life, like you know, from childhood

3000
02:31:00,959 --> 02:31:04,559
to you know, current And I did that with.

3001
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:09,600
Speaker 3: Claire Lumiere. Judith Hamilton, which was who was Georgina s

3002
02:31:09,600 --> 02:31:12,520
Belvin's lover and she was in Devil Miss Jones and

3003
02:31:12,639 --> 02:31:14,479
then she was the lesbian she was in three Am.

3004
02:31:14,760 --> 02:31:18,840
She drew out to California with Georgina from New York.

3005
02:31:19,079 --> 02:31:22,319
They were lovers for like two or three years and

3006
02:31:23,680 --> 02:31:26,879
fascinating woman. She was a lesbian. Georgina was bisexual. And

3007
02:31:27,120 --> 02:31:29,600
we talked for like two and a half hours about

3008
02:31:29,799 --> 02:31:32,680
the little stuff she remembered about working in film. She

3009
02:31:32,840 --> 02:31:36,079
described Harry Raims as the most the most uptight of

3010
02:31:36,159 --> 02:31:38,959
all of the early seventies porn stars. Everyone else was

3011
02:31:39,399 --> 02:31:41,399
all the other dudes were fine, like getting blown by

3012
02:31:41,479 --> 02:31:44,680
dudes or whatever. She said. Harry was wildly uptight, didn't

3013
02:31:44,680 --> 02:31:46,399
want to be touched by any dude in org scenes

3014
02:31:46,440 --> 02:31:47,799
and stuff like that, and everyone else she was like

3015
02:31:47,799 --> 02:31:50,239
everyone else just did whatever and she talked about being

3016
02:31:50,280 --> 02:31:52,959
part of like the gay liboration movement in LA and

3017
02:31:53,000 --> 02:31:57,040
the seventies and stuff. And then once we finished the conversation,

3018
02:31:57,479 --> 02:31:59,799
and she was notoriously tough to nail down too, she

3019
02:32:00,159 --> 02:32:01,760
was like, she was like a nomad.

3020
02:32:02,000 --> 02:32:02,719
Speaker 2: So she was.

3021
02:32:03,120 --> 02:32:05,399
Speaker 3: She lived in a she including the trailer. She finally

3022
02:32:05,440 --> 02:32:08,600
found a space where she had some like a reception,

3023
02:32:08,760 --> 02:32:10,040
so I was able to talk to her on the phone.

3024
02:32:11,920 --> 02:32:13,760
I hung up the phone with her, I realized I

3025
02:32:13,799 --> 02:32:17,079
plug in my recorder to the wrong jack in my

3026
02:32:18,280 --> 02:32:22,000
so recorded absolutely nothing, absolutely nothing. I think you. Never

3027
02:32:22,440 --> 02:32:24,799
never spoke to her again except by an email, and

3028
02:32:24,879 --> 02:32:27,840
then she passed away. Oh man, so it's all gone,

3029
02:32:28,280 --> 02:32:31,760
all of the all clearly near story everything she talks.

3030
02:32:32,040 --> 02:32:33,799
I mean, she told me a lot of really very

3031
02:32:33,879 --> 02:32:36,719
personal stuff that I won't repeat here. But she had

3032
02:32:36,799 --> 02:32:39,520
a very difficult life, and Georgina put me in touch

3033
02:32:39,559 --> 02:32:41,319
with her. She's like, no, she probably talked to you. Yeah,

3034
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:43,559
if you know if and she said, and your day,

3035
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:45,840
that will help. I was like, okay, great, yeah, because

3036
02:32:45,840 --> 02:32:51,040
it's one family member to another. So yeah, I you're

3037
02:32:51,159 --> 02:32:53,200
lucky that Paul is still here. Though I would absolutely

3038
02:32:53,239 --> 02:32:56,399
say try again. I would absolutely say try again.

3039
02:32:57,719 --> 02:32:57,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

3040
02:32:58,479 --> 02:33:00,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean he still has all of his

3041
02:33:00,440 --> 02:33:04,319
archive of his of his negatives and his film. Uh

3042
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:07,280
he I've kind of upset he sold off one of

3043
02:33:07,319 --> 02:33:09,360
his Hassle Blad cameras recently.

3044
02:33:10,040 --> 02:33:10,760
Speaker 3: I wanted to buy.

3045
02:33:10,959 --> 02:33:12,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to buy one just because of you know,

3046
02:33:13,000 --> 02:33:15,200
how much how much he had shot.

3047
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:18,600
Speaker 2: You know, with those and and you know and in

3048
02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:19,520
display piece.

3049
02:33:19,760 --> 02:33:22,760
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, and he worked he worked with

3050
02:33:23,000 --> 02:33:26,760
with everybody and basically everybody in the industry at that time.

3051
02:33:26,840 --> 02:33:31,920
And and and his his material is once you know

3052
02:33:32,040 --> 02:33:34,079
what to look for, you can recognize it. But he's

3053
02:33:34,159 --> 02:33:38,000
never credited in anything. So it's it's I think that

3054
02:33:38,159 --> 02:33:41,959
kind of bothers him now, you know where It's like

3055
02:33:42,120 --> 02:33:45,079
like he built a legacy, but nobody knows what that

3056
02:33:45,360 --> 02:33:48,479
what that legacy is. And uh, you know those those

3057
02:33:48,520 --> 02:33:52,319
single scenario. And it's interesting too because when he laid

3058
02:33:52,360 --> 02:33:53,879
out the first one of those, that one that was

3059
02:33:53,920 --> 02:33:56,719
called Opera Knight that I did I mentioned earlier, he

3060
02:33:56,799 --> 02:33:59,079
took it to a publisher and they were like hell no,

3061
02:33:59,799 --> 02:34:04,239
like way too expensive, you know, like because he wanted

3062
02:34:04,280 --> 02:34:06,920
it like full color, full glossy, like you know, no

3063
02:34:08,079 --> 02:34:11,600
no paper, no like you know, newsprint interiors or any like.

3064
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:15,319
It had to be like a high end publication. And

3065
02:34:15,440 --> 02:34:17,159
I forget the name of the guy that he ended

3066
02:34:17,239 --> 02:34:21,200
up meeting up with, and he worked for Reuben Sturman,

3067
02:34:21,639 --> 02:34:26,200
and so Sterman put up the money for the first one,

3068
02:34:26,760 --> 02:34:30,440
and it became so successful that that other people started

3069
02:34:30,479 --> 02:34:34,000
coming to Paul for the same type of a magazine.

3070
02:34:34,559 --> 02:34:38,280
And he became his own competitor because he was only

3071
02:34:38,360 --> 02:34:40,319
one doing it. He was doing like three or four

3072
02:34:40,360 --> 02:34:44,159
of these a month, but for multiple for different publishers,

3073
02:34:44,440 --> 02:34:47,399
so he wasn't just working for one publisher. When someone

3074
02:34:47,440 --> 02:34:50,680
else said saw how successful the first one was, I

3075
02:34:50,799 --> 02:34:52,639
want one of those too, like, you know, do one

3076
02:34:52,680 --> 02:34:54,399
of those for me. And so he just became his

3077
02:34:54,479 --> 02:34:57,920
own little industry of doing those Connoisseurs series and and

3078
02:34:58,200 --> 02:35:02,120
some of them are are Ruby collection. And he had

3079
02:35:02,200 --> 02:35:05,440
certain lines that were that were coming out and uh,

3080
02:35:05,520 --> 02:35:07,200
you know, he did a gay shoot that was in

3081
02:35:07,280 --> 02:35:10,399
a magazine. He did a by shoot. He wanted to

3082
02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:14,000
try it. That wasn't his preference, you know, but he

3083
02:35:14,120 --> 02:35:16,920
he did those and and and and had those and

3084
02:35:17,479 --> 02:35:20,239
you know, I've been lucky where he gave me digital

3085
02:35:20,319 --> 02:35:23,360
copies of his archives. So I have quite a bit,

3086
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:27,440
you know, thousands of images from the photo shoots, including

3087
02:35:27,559 --> 02:35:31,680
like all the unpublished you know shots and and everything,

3088
02:35:31,760 --> 02:35:34,079
and the scans of the magazines as well along with

3089
02:35:34,159 --> 02:35:38,079
the actual magazines and and uh, he's just a great guy.

3090
02:35:38,200 --> 02:35:39,959
And that's one another one of those things, like all

3091
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:43,440
the history that's going to go with him, and you know, yeah,

3092
02:35:43,879 --> 02:35:47,040
and and so he he used to get all anytime anybody,

3093
02:35:47,079 --> 02:35:49,440
well he also shot because we mentioned Renee Bond, He's

3094
02:35:49,479 --> 02:35:52,600
the first person to shoot nude photos of Renee Bond.

3095
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:55,639
Because he was getting all his he was getting all

3096
02:35:55,680 --> 02:36:02,840
of his models from Red and so anytime there was somebody, yeah,

3097
02:36:03,479 --> 02:36:07,000
would call him and he spoke. He spoke highly of

3098
02:36:07,079 --> 02:36:09,479
Red that there was never any issues with with that.

3099
02:36:09,879 --> 02:36:12,120
And so he would get, you know, a call, you know,

3100
02:36:12,239 --> 02:36:14,840
we got a new a new girl, he would shoot her.

3101
02:36:15,360 --> 02:36:18,239
I mean he shot Sekah and Nett Haven, Serena and

3102
02:36:19,159 --> 02:36:25,079
Jamie Gillis, uh, Paul Thomas, everybody, like you know, everybody

3103
02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:26,959
at some point kind of like came through the Bay

3104
02:36:27,000 --> 02:36:29,639
Area or southern California, whether he was living at the time,

3105
02:36:30,000 --> 02:36:32,600
and he shot some type of a of a magazine

3106
02:36:32,639 --> 02:36:35,520
with them and they're all like super high class, you know,

3107
02:36:35,639 --> 02:36:39,760
and it was it's a real, a real difference when

3108
02:36:39,799 --> 02:36:43,319
you look at his stuff versus like there's there's a

3109
02:36:43,360 --> 02:36:46,280
sensuality to it. It's not just it's not coming off

3110
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:48,920
as you know, it's not a magazine called, you know,

3111
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:50,600
fuckholes or something like that.

3112
02:36:50,799 --> 02:36:55,559
Speaker 2: You know, any of any of this stuff up here

3113
02:36:55,760 --> 02:36:58,079
maybe on a future release.

3114
02:36:58,879 --> 02:37:01,840
Speaker 1: So he he has a couple DVDs that you can

3115
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:04,840
get at ultraflesh archives dot com which are based on

3116
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:08,120
photo shoots, one being Nina Hartley. He was the first

3117
02:37:08,159 --> 02:37:11,000
one to shoot nude photos of her, and there's some

3118
02:37:11,120 --> 02:37:14,520
interview footage of with Paul and there's also some interview

3119
02:37:14,559 --> 02:37:17,360
footage with with Nina and I think Richard Pacheco's on

3120
02:37:17,399 --> 02:37:20,840
there as well, and it shows like the photo shoot

3121
02:37:21,079 --> 02:37:23,760
and then those little documentaries. And there's another one also

3122
02:37:24,239 --> 02:37:27,920
with Juliet Anderson and Peg where there was a photo

3123
02:37:27,959 --> 02:37:31,440
shoot where she had twins that were part of her

3124
02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:34,040
fan club that came and did a photo shoot with

3125
02:37:34,120 --> 02:37:37,639
her and they were they were very close. There's kind

3126
02:37:37,680 --> 02:37:42,799
of a famous photo of Juliette in lingerie kind of

3127
02:37:42,840 --> 02:37:46,719
standing against like a like a baby blue background, and

3128
02:37:46,879 --> 02:37:49,120
that was something that he shot that was actually turned

3129
02:37:49,159 --> 02:37:52,639
into like a cardboard standee. That was at the Museum

3130
02:37:52,680 --> 02:37:56,559
of Sex and Culture, the one in Vegas whatever it's called,

3131
02:37:56,799 --> 02:38:00,879
the Museum of Sex that's in Vegas. So he had

3132
02:38:00,920 --> 02:38:02,600
that there for a while, which is cool. If you're

3133
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:05,399
ever in Vegas, make sure you go to the the museum. There.

3134
02:38:07,719 --> 02:38:12,120
Speaker 2: Just a job for me, just some massages, sexual not

3135
02:38:12,399 --> 02:38:20,280
sexual massages. Okay, well, I'm excited to see. I mean,

3136
02:38:20,479 --> 02:38:22,799
I don't even know how you choose your next subject

3137
02:38:22,920 --> 02:38:26,840
because for your release, because you have so much materials,

3138
02:38:27,239 --> 02:38:31,479
I guess you just look through your spreadsheets, right kind of.

3139
02:38:31,639 --> 02:38:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean some of it is just whatever I'm kind

3140
02:38:34,959 --> 02:38:38,399
of like finding interest in in the moment. Yeah, you know,

3141
02:38:38,680 --> 02:38:43,399
and there's gonna be uh, several different series of things

3142
02:38:43,440 --> 02:38:46,440
that I'm doing. So the next release will be Endless

3143
02:38:46,520 --> 02:38:50,440
Ecstasy Volume two, which is just like my just general

3144
02:38:50,520 --> 02:38:54,200
loop you grab bag yeah yeah, Carrier and those are

3145
02:38:54,239 --> 02:38:54,760
all good too.

3146
02:38:54,879 --> 02:38:58,079
Speaker 3: Your the your selection on the first one was great

3147
02:38:58,360 --> 02:39:00,319
and I love and it started with a solo and

3148
02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:02,600
then built I was like, this is this has to

3149
02:39:02,639 --> 02:39:03,239
be intentional?

3150
02:39:03,479 --> 02:39:06,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it, and that's that's kind of

3151
02:39:06,360 --> 02:39:09,079
how I'm laying out everything, like if uh, you know,

3152
02:39:09,319 --> 02:39:13,280
for the uh, unless there's a specific reason, like Leslie Winston,

3153
02:39:13,360 --> 02:39:15,719
she had a solo loop that was included on there,

3154
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:18,200
but I wanted to use her very first loop as

3155
02:39:18,239 --> 02:39:20,959
the first loop on the same you know. But but

3156
02:39:21,120 --> 02:39:23,280
generally speak you know, I try to do a bill

3157
02:39:23,399 --> 02:39:25,879
where it's a solo and then maybe like a girl

3158
02:39:26,000 --> 02:39:28,040
girl and then you know, boy girl, and then you

3159
02:39:28,120 --> 02:39:30,959
go from there and with the endless ecstasy, maybe throw

3160
02:39:31,040 --> 02:39:32,840
something weird in there, like the first one had the

3161
02:39:32,959 --> 02:39:36,959
long dong silver thing. The volume two is going to

3162
02:39:37,000 --> 02:39:40,559
have here comes Superman with Jamie Gillis, where he plays

3163
02:39:40,600 --> 02:39:44,520
Superman rescuing this this girl from you know, being attacked.

3164
02:39:44,600 --> 02:39:48,159
And so I'm trying to put some some odd little

3165
02:39:48,200 --> 02:39:51,920
odd ball things in there as well. And then I'm

3166
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:54,959
going to stay with Rondo Joe Petti here in two

3167
02:39:55,040 --> 02:39:59,159
weeks to do to do her commentary for her release,

3168
02:39:59,200 --> 02:40:03,120
which is called I'll be able to see Leslie Winston

3169
02:40:03,159 --> 02:40:06,360
again because she lives in the same town as as Rona,

3170
02:40:06,440 --> 02:40:08,360
so that'll be nice. We're all about to dinner and

3171
02:40:09,000 --> 02:40:12,079
and visit. We'll probably can also see Sue Nero because

3172
02:40:12,120 --> 02:40:13,239
she'll be down in the area.

3173
02:40:15,840 --> 02:40:18,200
Speaker 3: So my Susie, I love my Susie.

3174
02:40:18,600 --> 02:40:22,360
Speaker 1: I do have two volumes of Sue Niro coming up

3175
02:40:22,559 --> 02:40:24,920
called Tigris again, that's.

3176
02:40:24,840 --> 02:40:28,280
Speaker 3: Her her title, that's appropriate for her.

3177
02:40:28,680 --> 02:40:32,959
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get appropriate time to do a

3178
02:40:33,040 --> 02:40:36,000
commentary with her and nail that down at least for

3179
02:40:36,120 --> 02:40:40,920
one volume. So you know, there's there's some challenges with

3180
02:40:42,440 --> 02:40:45,120
connecting with her. So if it takes a while for

3181
02:40:45,200 --> 02:40:48,520
those too, you know, correct themselves so that we do

3182
02:40:49,000 --> 02:40:51,760
have the ability to get together. You know, I'm just

3183
02:40:51,840 --> 02:40:54,760
gonna be patient and wait until it can be done right,

3184
02:40:54,879 --> 02:40:56,920
and not just because people are like I want a

3185
02:40:56,959 --> 02:41:01,600
Sue Nero collection, but after so will be endless ecstasy too,

3186
02:41:01,799 --> 02:41:03,840
and of course that'll continue. I can do those forever

3187
02:41:03,959 --> 02:41:08,959
until I'm dead, uh, the Rono, Joe Petty, and then

3188
02:41:09,079 --> 02:41:12,879
after that, I'm gonna be connecting with you a lot, Casey,

3189
02:41:12,920 --> 02:41:15,000
because that's gonna be man to man volume one.

3190
02:41:15,559 --> 02:41:16,040
Speaker 6: I love it.

3191
02:41:16,319 --> 02:41:19,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the all male, the all male lines,

3192
02:41:19,399 --> 02:41:27,159
so the title, so I do have a a color

3193
02:41:27,200 --> 02:41:30,680
scheme that everything has as well, so like the star

3194
02:41:30,959 --> 02:41:34,319
focused ones, have a specific look and they're all that like, uh,

3195
02:41:34,760 --> 02:41:36,760
that kind of like neon pink color. That's like the

3196
02:41:36,840 --> 02:41:41,399
trademark Ultra Flesh Archives color. The Endless Ecstasy has like yellow,

3197
02:41:41,840 --> 02:41:44,280
and they'll continue like that. Then I may I may

3198
02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:48,120
continue to use the same layout for everything, but I

3199
02:41:48,200 --> 02:41:50,719
want to everything will be individualized, but it'll all be

3200
02:41:50,799 --> 02:41:53,920
similar based on the uh the man to man will

3201
02:41:53,959 --> 02:41:57,920
have a specific color. I think after that is probably

3202
02:41:58,040 --> 02:42:00,479
going to be I guess all on now, sit here

3203
02:42:01,159 --> 02:42:06,239
Bazoombas Volume one, which is my Big Boob Collection.

3204
02:42:08,440 --> 02:42:10,479
Speaker 3: So whether there's one thing I would love more than

3205
02:42:10,520 --> 02:42:13,040
the Man man, it's the Big Boob Collection because you

3206
02:42:13,159 --> 02:42:17,920
know that I'm a boobman. So exciting. Okay, there's more.

3207
02:42:18,079 --> 02:42:20,920
Speaker 1: There's more to the Bazoombas series as well, So I

3208
02:42:21,000 --> 02:42:23,840
think the first one is going to be all solo

3209
02:42:24,920 --> 02:42:27,000
you know, girls just rubbing their boobs and things like that.

3210
02:42:28,000 --> 02:42:30,120
At some point it might just be more loops that

3211
02:42:30,239 --> 02:42:34,079
are big breasted women. You know, where's full hardcore, you know,

3212
02:42:34,399 --> 02:42:37,440
male and female. But Volume one is probably just going

3213
02:42:37,520 --> 02:42:41,719
to be all all just solo girls. And then the

3214
02:42:42,200 --> 02:42:44,479
thing about the series is I'm going to connect with

3215
02:42:44,520 --> 02:42:48,760
Annie sprinkle here before the year's over. And We're not

3216
02:42:48,840 --> 02:42:50,440
going to do a commentary, but I'm going to do

3217
02:42:50,559 --> 02:42:53,799
interview with her because she's made her breasts of a

3218
02:42:53,920 --> 02:42:56,319
large part of her art. You know, she did her

3219
02:42:57,120 --> 02:43:00,159
tit prints for a long time, or she would put

3220
02:43:00,200 --> 02:43:02,440
her boobs in paint and put them on canvas and

3221
02:43:02,760 --> 02:43:04,879
you know, sell them as pieces of art. I got

3222
02:43:04,920 --> 02:43:06,840
one hanging in my bedroom. Actually, it's one of the

3223
02:43:06,959 --> 02:43:09,600
very last ones that she did that she gifted to me,

3224
02:43:09,639 --> 02:43:12,000
and hee's wonderful. I can't speak. It's going to be

3225
02:43:12,079 --> 02:43:12,319
part of.

3226
02:43:14,520 --> 02:43:14,799
Speaker 3: Something.

3227
02:43:16,479 --> 02:43:18,840
Speaker 1: It'll be it'll be included kind of as just an

3228
02:43:18,920 --> 02:43:23,479
interview on audio interview with the release, not necessarily commentary,

3229
02:43:23,600 --> 02:43:25,920
but just an interview. But we're going to talk about boobs.

3230
02:43:26,319 --> 02:43:29,440
We're going to talk about her breast cancer journey and

3231
02:43:29,559 --> 02:43:32,680
things of that nature. And the one of the big

3232
02:43:32,719 --> 02:43:35,520
things about the series is it's going to be also

3233
02:43:36,479 --> 02:43:40,559
informational because I want to highlight breast cancer in women,

3234
02:43:40,719 --> 02:43:43,319
in women and men, because men gave breast cancer too.

3235
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:46,719
And each each release of the Bazoomba series, I'm going

3236
02:43:46,799 --> 02:43:50,079
to donate five hundred dollars to some type of a

3237
02:43:50,120 --> 02:43:54,399
breast Cancer Organization for each one releases wow, so that

3238
02:43:54,639 --> 02:43:57,440
that those are coming up. Of course I have some

3239
02:43:57,639 --> 02:44:02,000
more star focused ones, uh. Once I kind of probably

3240
02:44:02,040 --> 02:44:07,440
get past this the souniro. The likelihood of connecting with

3241
02:44:08,079 --> 02:44:12,200
people for commentaries is getting thin because there'll be people

3242
02:44:12,280 --> 02:44:16,239
that likely or just have disappeared from everything or are no.

3243
02:44:16,319 --> 02:44:19,520
Speaker 3: Longer here, some people that I might be able to

3244
02:44:19,920 --> 02:44:20,559
connect you with.

3245
02:44:21,159 --> 02:44:24,639
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that goes. Because I have dozens

3246
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:28,239
and dozens of those that have already outlined, but those

3247
02:44:28,239 --> 02:44:30,840
will continue whether they have commentaries or not. They will

3248
02:44:30,879 --> 02:44:32,959
still be in like the outer Slip Sleeves and that

3249
02:44:33,079 --> 02:44:37,200
that series continues, same look and feel with all with

3250
02:44:37,319 --> 02:44:39,920
the similar bonus features that go on them. They'll be

3251
02:44:39,959 --> 02:44:46,360
Alisa Dulu that that might might be the next star

3252
02:44:47,280 --> 02:44:48,840
that hasn't been announced.

3253
02:44:49,120 --> 02:44:54,760
Speaker 3: And she will never talk. Fortunately she's another one. She's

3254
02:44:54,799 --> 02:44:56,520
gone full maga unfortunately.

3255
02:44:56,959 --> 02:44:57,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

3256
02:44:57,840 --> 02:45:01,520
Speaker 1: But they'll also be U se quts line, which would

3257
02:45:01,559 --> 02:45:04,639
be like like strip teas b lesque stuff, black and white.

3258
02:45:05,440 --> 02:45:09,360
There'll probably be some kind of a line that's specific. Yeh,

3259
02:45:10,600 --> 02:45:13,159
I got I've got like an endless list of stuff

3260
02:45:13,200 --> 02:45:14,920
that I'm going to do that I have some specific

3261
02:45:15,479 --> 02:45:19,360
some specific releases. It will be just to like certain companies.

3262
02:45:20,639 --> 02:45:23,600
Speaker 3: That's great, Yeah, you know absolutely, so they may not.

3263
02:45:23,760 --> 02:45:26,360
Speaker 1: I know, you want to see like chronology like you

3264
02:45:26,440 --> 02:45:28,159
know one to fifty or whatever that they did.

3265
02:45:28,319 --> 02:45:32,319
Speaker 3: Or I mean I like some of those Diamond those

3266
02:45:32,399 --> 02:45:35,399
are all like terrific, Like any order you want to

3267
02:45:35,399 --> 02:45:36,520
put those in is great.

3268
02:45:37,239 --> 02:45:40,239
Speaker 1: So those are good in all honesty, Diamond would be

3269
02:45:40,399 --> 02:45:43,920
like way down in the future because like I'm going

3270
02:45:43,959 --> 02:45:47,280
to focus on other like smaller lines like oz so

3271
02:45:47,440 --> 02:45:50,159
Oz Films is going to have a collection multiple multi

3272
02:45:50,239 --> 02:45:53,719
volume collection. I'm doing Satan, the series Satan.

3273
02:45:54,120 --> 02:45:57,120
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, okay, you know, and we talked about lots

3274
02:45:57,120 --> 02:45:59,399
of brown right did I say possibly a loss of

3275
02:45:59,479 --> 02:45:59,920
brown one?

3276
02:46:00,319 --> 02:46:02,200
Speaker 1: I've got a ton of that stuff that I can

3277
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:05,120
also do great, you know, so that I mean, the

3278
02:46:05,719 --> 02:46:07,639
stuff that I could do is essentially endless. It's just

3279
02:46:07,719 --> 02:46:10,479
a matter of what time I have and how long

3280
02:46:10,559 --> 02:46:12,360
it takes to put them together.

3281
02:46:13,440 --> 02:46:19,200
Speaker 2: Probably money probably doesn't hurt either, So everybody exactly, I mean,

3282
02:46:19,559 --> 02:46:21,760
I need people to continue to buy, so how I

3283
02:46:21,959 --> 02:46:24,360
continue to make this man's hard work.

3284
02:46:25,079 --> 02:46:27,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean, and he's fun, like the

3285
02:46:27,319 --> 02:46:30,680
loops are all good. Like I think people assume that

3286
02:46:30,760 --> 02:46:33,360
loops are all like shot there. I think people have

3287
02:46:33,479 --> 02:46:35,479
a perception of what loops are, which is that they're

3288
02:46:35,520 --> 02:46:38,440
all shot for pennies and like an ugly hotel room

3289
02:46:38,520 --> 02:46:40,440
on a bed and there's no art to them. But

3290
02:46:40,639 --> 02:46:44,920
like the Serena one opens it with a Ron Rafaeli loop. Yeah,

3291
02:46:45,600 --> 02:46:48,760
arguably the greatest creator of loops who has ever lived.

3292
02:46:49,120 --> 02:46:52,360
He was an artist. So yeah, like they're they're they're

3293
02:46:52,719 --> 02:46:56,719
they have interesting scenarios like yeah, yeah, there's they're not

3294
02:46:56,799 --> 02:46:59,079
all shot in the same place. There's like storyline to

3295
02:46:59,159 --> 02:47:02,200
some of them there, you know, it's it's there's some

3296
02:47:02,319 --> 02:47:04,879
acting in some of them. Like it's a very surprisingly

3297
02:47:05,040 --> 02:47:08,200
diverse collection of films that isn't necessarily what you think

3298
02:47:08,239 --> 02:47:10,840
it's going to be. It's not all sex, and even

3299
02:47:10,840 --> 02:47:12,600
if it was, it's not a big deal. But there

3300
02:47:12,639 --> 02:47:14,959
are so many nice surprises if you if you dive

3301
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:17,200
into it thinking, Okay, I'm going to see a lot

3302
02:47:17,239 --> 02:47:20,159
of sex, but it's going to be such so many

3303
02:47:20,319 --> 02:47:24,559
different interesting versions of sex you maybe didn't even know

3304
02:47:24,719 --> 02:47:27,639
where possible in this in in the loop form.

3305
02:47:27,879 --> 02:47:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's fun too because you get different looks

3306
02:47:30,559 --> 02:47:32,479
that Serena has. You know, you get short hair, you

3307
02:47:32,559 --> 02:47:33,680
get younger, you get.

3308
02:47:33,559 --> 02:47:36,479
Speaker 3: Older, so you know, as a cat, yeah her dressed

3309
02:47:36,479 --> 02:47:40,159
as a cat, you know, like covered in chocolate. Yeah yeah,

3310
02:47:40,319 --> 02:47:42,760
like lindsay shockingly.

3311
02:47:43,000 --> 02:47:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

3312
02:47:46,840 --> 02:47:49,639
Speaker 1: So I mean I hope, I hope people enjoy these things.

3313
02:47:49,799 --> 02:47:53,200
You know, of course I need sales to continue. You

3314
02:47:53,280 --> 02:47:55,440
know this it does take a lot. I'm having to

3315
02:47:55,559 --> 02:48:00,159
go get storage now to to store my stuff. You know,

3316
02:48:00,520 --> 02:48:04,680
data storage is expensive. Uh so, like you know, the

3317
02:48:04,799 --> 02:48:07,200
more I do, the more data storage I need. You know,

3318
02:48:07,440 --> 02:48:08,920
these are a lot of things that no one ever

3319
02:48:09,040 --> 02:48:12,000
considers or thinks about when they're you know, talking about

3320
02:48:12,440 --> 02:48:15,360
what it takes to you know, archive and and and

3321
02:48:15,520 --> 02:48:17,760
save these materials. Not only just saving the physical you're

3322
02:48:17,799 --> 02:48:20,000
saving the data. You have to have backups of the data.

3323
02:48:20,280 --> 02:48:22,520
You got to have the space for it to exist in.

3324
02:48:23,159 --> 02:48:25,520
You know, there's so many things that that go that

3325
02:48:25,639 --> 02:48:28,479
go into this, you know, I mean the house is

3326
02:48:28,559 --> 02:48:32,280
overloaded with stuff. You know, Luckily I have a supportive

3327
02:48:32,319 --> 02:48:34,719
wife who's usually like, you need to quit fucking around

3328
02:48:34,760 --> 02:48:39,799
and go get to work to make this stuff happen. So,

3329
02:48:40,040 --> 02:48:42,200
I mean, I appreciate your guys' support and help them

3330
02:48:42,239 --> 02:48:45,319
to promote. I don't really have many outlets to promote

3331
02:48:45,360 --> 02:48:47,360
on you know, about to get kicked off of Facebook?

3332
02:48:48,479 --> 02:48:50,520
Oh my god, you know, like they threatened me every

3333
02:48:50,559 --> 02:48:54,159
single day. Although ironically I took a screenshot of an ad.

3334
02:48:55,319 --> 02:48:57,719
You know, you can't, you can't communicate with anybody on Facebook.

3335
02:48:57,920 --> 02:48:58,239
Speaker 3: I wanted to.

3336
02:48:58,879 --> 02:49:01,200
Speaker 1: I wanted. I wanted to be the email them I got,

3337
02:49:01,440 --> 02:49:03,360
you know, scrolling through in an ad popped up of

3338
02:49:03,479 --> 02:49:09,280
a full on, full nude woman touching yourself as a

3339
02:49:09,440 --> 02:49:16,319
Spon sponsored ad. But yet, God, but yet, I've had

3340
02:49:16,760 --> 02:49:19,680
things like that, I've reposted from five years ago get

3341
02:49:19,760 --> 02:49:22,040
flagged all of a sudden, and you know, they they

3342
02:49:22,120 --> 02:49:24,479
send me the you know you're about to get kicked off,

3343
02:49:25,440 --> 02:49:28,120
you know, threat all the time. And so I mean,

3344
02:49:28,159 --> 02:49:31,680
I don't have anywhere to really promote myself other than

3345
02:49:31,799 --> 02:49:33,399
like you know, a little bit here and there on

3346
02:49:33,520 --> 02:49:36,120
social media. So I really I really have to rely

3347
02:49:36,319 --> 02:49:40,239
on that uh that grassroots, you know, word of mouth

3348
02:49:40,319 --> 02:49:43,719
and and hopefully you know, and I'll say that when

3349
02:49:43,760 --> 02:49:47,280
I was packing up all the orders for Effervescent, probably

3350
02:49:47,440 --> 02:49:49,399
ninety five percent of them we're all from people that

3351
02:49:49,479 --> 02:49:52,760
have already ordered for me, So thank you. Everybody's who's

3352
02:49:52,959 --> 02:49:56,760
continuing to support, and that's that's proof positive that I'm

3353
02:49:56,840 --> 02:49:59,520
you know, kind of developing like a core you know,

3354
02:49:59,680 --> 02:50:02,559
core crowd here. Of course I need that crowd to expand,

3355
02:50:03,559 --> 02:50:07,319
But everybody who's been supporting, you know, and and and

3356
02:50:07,479 --> 02:50:11,159
helping to champion this, and like you said, you know,

3357
02:50:11,319 --> 02:50:14,879
it's it's these don't look like blue vanity releases, you know,

3358
02:50:15,079 --> 02:50:18,360
like this, it's no and it's an uphill battle to

3359
02:50:18,479 --> 02:50:22,040
just convince people that these these don't look like what

3360
02:50:22,159 --> 02:50:24,440
you think they look like. You know, you think they

3361
02:50:24,520 --> 02:50:27,040
look like crap. They don't. They you know, we can

3362
02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:29,719
make them look good. And you know there's limits, of course,

3363
02:50:30,200 --> 02:50:34,159
but you know it's it's night and day. From from

3364
02:50:34,239 --> 02:50:36,040
what what's been out there before.

3365
02:50:36,920 --> 02:50:38,840
Speaker 3: There seems to be some I don't know. This is

3366
02:50:38,879 --> 02:50:41,120
something that I've also seen in comment sections. It's like

3367
02:50:41,159 --> 02:50:42,680
who wants to clean up for? And I think they

3368
02:50:42,719 --> 02:50:45,360
think because that it's dirty because of the society we're

3369
02:50:45,360 --> 02:50:47,399
living where sex is dirty. They're like, well, these shouldn't

3370
02:50:47,399 --> 02:50:49,760
look clean. What's the what's the point of cleaning these up?

3371
02:50:49,799 --> 02:50:52,319
And it's like, well, get rid of your You know,

3372
02:50:52,360 --> 02:50:53,799
you got a lot of work. You have a lot

3373
02:50:53,879 --> 02:50:56,079
to work on. Where do you think sex is dirty

3374
02:50:56,120 --> 02:50:57,319
and should always look dirty?

3375
02:50:57,559 --> 02:51:00,360
Speaker 2: Because they want to make these performers look as best

3376
02:51:00,399 --> 02:51:01,040
as possible.

3377
02:51:01,280 --> 02:51:03,239
Speaker 3: I mean, that's you want to amplify these and that's

3378
02:51:03,399 --> 02:51:05,440
that's what we're about. Even the software we are were

3379
02:51:05,440 --> 02:51:06,680
about amplifying the women.

3380
02:51:10,760 --> 02:51:12,840
Speaker 1: I distinctly heard slurping noises.

3381
02:51:12,879 --> 02:51:16,559
Speaker 2: What is it? Must know?

3382
02:51:17,440 --> 02:51:17,879
Speaker 5: Cose troll?

3383
02:51:17,959 --> 02:51:20,319
Speaker 2: Me a wry we're having one?

3384
02:51:21,719 --> 02:51:23,360
Speaker 1: Still having a malted.

3385
02:51:26,399 --> 02:51:27,879
Speaker 4: I have a suspicious streak.

3386
02:51:28,159 --> 02:51:34,319
Speaker 3: O back, Thanks, I will where was I?

3387
02:51:35,000 --> 02:51:35,159
Speaker 4: Oh?

3388
02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:44,479
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