Speaker 1: All right, So imagine this. You walk into your house
and there's a message on your computer. Okay, but it
was left while you were out, and the person claims
to live in the same house. Uh huh but centuries ago.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a ghost story, right yeah, bef, but
this actually happened, really yeah. This is the story of
Ken Webster over in Doddleston, England, and it's just the
beginning of a truly wild series of events.
Speaker 2: I'm intrigued.
Speaker 1: So for today's deep dive, we are going to try
to get to the bottom of the Doddleston messages.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: This is a really strange case of alleged communication with
the past.
Speaker 2: Like how far in the past.
Speaker 1: We're talking fifteen forty one?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 1: And get this also the future?
Speaker 2: No way, what year twenty one to oh nine? Okay,
now I'm really interested.
Speaker 1: All this through a home computer in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, I know, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So to guide us through this, we're going to be
primarily relying on Ken Webster's book The Vertical Plane, which
lays out the whole story in detail.
Speaker 2: Gotcha.
Speaker 1: We'll also be drawing on a fascinating YouTube docum Memory
from the Wi Files.
Speaker 2: Cool, I've seen some of their stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do good work. So this documentary it features
excerpts from the book and some really interesting interviews.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good starting point.
Speaker 1: It is. So to set the scene, picture this December
nineteen eighty four, okay, Ken Webster, a teacher moves into
this place called Meadow Cottage and Duddleston with his friend
Nick right and his girlfriend Debbie. Okay, And almost immediately
strange things start happening, like what, well, first they start
finding these weird footprints on the walls footprints, Yeah, and
get this on the ceilings too. That's odd, it's super weird.
So they would paint over them, thinking it was just
you know, some mark or something, but then they would
reappear the next day, like right on top of the
fresh paint.
Speaker 2: That is so strange, I know.
Speaker 1: And the footprints had six toes.
Speaker 2: Six toes.
Speaker 1: That's even weirder, Yeah, like why six toes? It's like
a calling card or something.
Speaker 2: Does make you wonder if someone's messing with.
Speaker 1: Them, right, like who has six toes? And that's not
all what else? They would also find these huge towers
of stuff just randomly stacked up towers of what you know,
everyday things, bottles, cans, boxes, like, all stacked up precariously,
sometimes like four feet high.
Speaker 2: Whack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. At first they thought it was their
friends playing pranks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd think that too.
Speaker 1: But nobody ever fessed up to it.
Speaker 2: Mmm. That's creepy.
Speaker 1: It is. It's like living in a haunted house, right, definitely.
So all this weird stuff is going on. And then
one night, after a trip to the pub, they see
this green light. A green light, yeah, coming from their
cottage windows.
Speaker 2: That's eerie it was.
Speaker 1: When they went inside they realized the light was coming
from their computer. Their computer, Yeah, a BBC computer okay.
And remember this is before the Internet and all.
Speaker 2: That, right, like way before Wi.
Speaker 1: Fi and stuff exactly, So they're like, what's going on.
Speaker 2: I'd be freaked out.
Speaker 1: They go to the computer and there's a new file saved,
a new file. Yeah, it was named r eate.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's weird, I know, right.
Speaker 1: So they open it and the message inside is just bizarre.
It said, what strange words thou speak?
Speaker 2: WHOA hold on? That's not normal English.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like old English or something.
Speaker 2: It does sound kind of shakesperience.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So the message goes on to talk about devil lights,
which they think means the computer itself.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it mentions costly things, and there's even this
line that says I will have these costly things within
mine house by and by.
Speaker 2: It's kind of threatening.
Speaker 1: It is a little bit right, and it was signed
just LW l W.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Ken shows this message to Peter Trinder, a
literature teacher at his school, and Peter immediately recognized the
old English phrasing.
Speaker 2: He must have been pretty knowledgeable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was really into languages and history. So he
asked Ken to let him know if any more message.
Speaker 2: Is popped up. Smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted to try and figure out what time
period and where it was coming from.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: So for a few days nothing happens, no new messages.
But then Ken starts thinking, you know what if this
is a two.
Speaker 2: Way thing, Oh, like, maybe he could reply exactly.
Speaker 1: So, even though he still thinks it's probably a prank,
he decides to try and communicate back.
Speaker 2: What did he do?
Speaker 1: Well, he sits down at the computer and starts typing
a message.
Speaker 2: What did he ask?
Speaker 1: He asked a bunch of questions like, did you live
on this land around sixteen twenty? Who is Edmund Gray?
Do you have a family? Is the king James or Charles?
What was this village called in your time?
Speaker 2: So he's trying to get some concrete information exactly.
Speaker 1: He's trying to see if this LW person is for real. Mark.
So they save the message, leave the computer on and
head back to the pub. And when they come back
a few hours later, what do you know, there's a reply,
a new message is waiting for them the way. Yeah.
So this reply mentions an honest farm of oak and stone,
and it says that Edmund Gray, brother of John Gray,
lives at Kington.
Speaker 2: Hall, Kington Hall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it gets really interesting. It says the
king is Henry the eighth, Henry eighth, okay, who it
claims is six and forty years old, six and forty
so forty six, Yeah, And it says the year is
fifteen twenty one.
Speaker 2: Fifteen twenty one.
Speaker 1: Mmmm, that doesn't sound quite right.
Speaker 2: You're catching on. It's not fifteen twenty one. Henry the
eighth was only thirty years old, not forty six.
Speaker 1: Ah, So right off the bat, there's a problem exactly. Plus,
Canton Hall the way it's described didn't exist back then, So.
Speaker 2: This LW person doesn't seem to have their facts straight.
Speaker 1: Right, it's starting to look like a hoax.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe someone's messing.
Speaker 1: With them, that's what they're thinking. Or someone's breaking into
their house and using their computer, which is kind of creepy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not good either way.
Speaker 1: So Peter Trinder, the literature teacher, points out some other
weird things about the message. The grammar and punctuation are
too modern for the sixteenth century. Oh like what like
using question mark?
Speaker 2: Right? Those weren't really a thing back.
Speaker 1: Then, exactly. So Ken decides to take the computer home
for the weekend, okay, just to see if any more
messages show up in a different location.
Speaker 2: Interesting, guess what more messages?
Speaker 1: Yep, they keep coming. This time they start getting more
detailed descriptions of the house, the village, and the time period.
And now the messages are signed with a full name.
Speaker 2: What name, Lucas Wayneman, Lucas Wayneman.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so these messages from Lucas start to paint
a picture of his life. What kind of picture?
Speaker 2: Well, he talks about losing his wife and son to
the plague. Oh, that's awful, It is really sad. He
also describes his everyday life, you know, farming, barley for ale,
making cheese, okay, And he talks about his house, which
he says is made of red stone.
Speaker 1: Red stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's on this nice piece of land.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 2: Now Meadow cottage itself wasn't made of red stone, but
later on, when they were doing some renovations, they found
the remains of an older structure under the cottage. Really yeah,
and it was made of red sandstone.
Speaker 1: WHOA, that's a pretty big coincidence, it is.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like maybe Lucas was describing the original house
on that spot.
Speaker 1: That would be pretty wild, it would.
Speaker 2: So the tone of the messages also starts to change.
How so, Lucas starts to express confusion and even worry.
Speaker 1: He's not sure what's going on exactly.
Speaker 2: He sees Ken and his friends as intruders.
Speaker 1: It makes sense he's from a different.
Speaker 2: Time, right. Meanwhile, Peter Trinder is still analyzing the language.
Speaker 1: What's he thinking. He's convinced that it points to the
mid sixteenth century, specifically the Cheshire.
Speaker 2: Region, which is where Duddleston is exactly.
Speaker 1: And as the messages go on, the historical details get
more accurate. Really Yeah. For example, Lucas mentions Henry the
Eighth being married to Catherine Parr, which puts him squarely
in the fifteen forties.
Speaker 2: So he's getting closer to the right time period he is.
Speaker 1: But there are still some inconsistencies, like what well he
mentioned some names that can't be verified historically, like who
a guy named Richard Wischel, for example. But when you
think about it, a farmer in the sixteenth century wouldn't
necessarily know about every historical figure that's true. His world
would be much smaller exactly. So at this point Ken
decides to tell Lucas the truth, the truth about what
that he's communicating from the year nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 2: Wow, I wonder what Lucas thought of that.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll get to that, But first things take an
even stranger turn. What happens a new presence enters the chat.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Messages start appearing from someone claiming to be from the
year twenty.
Speaker 2: One nine, twenty one nine? Are you serious?
Speaker 1: Dead serious? This new entity just calls themselves twenty one
oh nine.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's just mind blowing.
Speaker 1: It is so twenty one oh nine tells Ken and
his friends that they have an important role to play
in history.
Speaker 2: An important role.
Speaker 1: How they don't really say. It's all very cryptic, like
vague warnings about not interfering with the past.
Speaker 2: That's creepy, it is.
Speaker 1: And at the same time, all the weird stuff in
the house starts happening more often, like what kind of stuff, footsteps,
cold spots, things being stacked up, tapping noises, words written
in chalk on the walls. Even Lucas's name shows up
written in chalk.
Speaker 2: WHOA, that's intense, it was.
Speaker 1: It really starts to feel like a classic haunted house.
Speaker 2: So you've got communication from the past and the future
and poltergeist activity all happening at the same time.
Speaker 1: Exactly. It's like Meadow Cottage is some kind of time vortex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the one way to put it.
Speaker 1: Debbie is understandably freaked out by all this, I can imagine.
So she starts doing some research and she discovers that
Meadow Cottage sits on a lee line.
Speaker 2: A lee line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some people believe there are these alignments of places
with special energy. Okay, interesting, And after this Debbie starts
having visions and dreams about Lucas.
Speaker 2: Like he's trying to reach out to her directly.
Speaker 1: That's what it seems like. So at this point Ken
and Debbie decide they need some outside help.
Speaker 2: They need someone to tell them that they're going crazy
pretty much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they contact the Society for Psychical Research the SPR.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've heard of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're a group that investigates paranormal stuff.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 1: So the SPR sends two investigators, David Welch and John.
Speaker 2: Bucknell to Meadow Cottage.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Their goal is to figure out what's going on.
They come up with a test for twenty one oh nine.
Speaker 2: What kind of test?
Speaker 1: They have ten questions that they type into the computer
and then delete right away.
Speaker 2: So kenon Debbie don't know what the questions are exactly.
Speaker 1: Then they wait to see if twenty one oh nine answers.
Speaker 2: Okay, what happens?
Speaker 1: A few days later, a new message appears from twenty
one or nine. It doesn't answer the questions directly, but
it does acknowledge that an experiment took place. Interesting, and
get this, it mentions one of the investigators by name. Yeah,
like twenty one oh nine knew they were there. That's creepy,
it is, right, So the SPR investigators try to explain
this away. They say, maybe they were hidden microphones in
the house, even.
Speaker 2: Though they claim they spoke quietly, right.
Speaker 1: Or they speculate that a sensitive microphone could have picked
up the sounds of the keys being pressed.
Speaker 2: But that seems like a stretch.
Speaker 1: It does. They're reaching for an explanation.
Speaker 2: They don't want to believe it.
Speaker 1: I think that's part. So the SPR investigation ends with
no real answers. Okay, But then another weird thing happens.
Speaker 2: What's that?
Speaker 1: Frank Davis, a teacher friend of Ken's, visits Meadow Cottage, Okay,
and when he walks into the study where the computer is,
he says, the temperature.
Speaker 2: Suddenly drops like a cold spot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it lasts a few minutes and then goes back
to normal.
Speaker 2: That's weird, it is.
Speaker 1: And shortly after this, a new message.
Speaker 2: Appears on the computer from Lucas.
Speaker 1: Nope, this one's different. It's from someone named John who
says he's a friend of Lucas. John okay, and John
says that Lucas has been imprisoned by the local sheriff.
Speaker 2: Imprisoned why for witchcraft? Witchcraft seriously?
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently because he was talking to spirits.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, so they really took that stuff seriously.
Speaker 1: Back then, they did. And this explains why there haven't
been any messages from Lucas lately.
Speaker 2: Right, he's locked up exactly.
Speaker 1: So Canon Debbie are worried about Lucas.
Speaker 2: Of course.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Peter Trender is still working on the messages.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's he up to? Well?
Speaker 1: Remember how Lucas mentioned attending Bracenow's College and Ox and
he gave Ken a list of books that he said
were from his time, like as a proof or something. Okay,
So Peter gets in touch with a librarian at Bryce
Nose okay, and he asks about the books on Lucas's list. Right,
the librarian confirms that every single book is in their collection.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And get this, they were all published in the fifteen twenties.
Speaker 2: No way, that's too specific to be a coincidence.
Speaker 1: Right, It's like Lucas really was telling the truth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is getting hard to explain away it is.
Speaker 1: So Ken and Debbie decide they have to do something
to help Lucas.
Speaker 2: What do they do?
Speaker 1: They send a message to the sheriff demanding his release
bold movie. It was the even hint that they have
some kind of power they can use like a threat kinda,
and it works.
Speaker 2: Lucas is released.
Speaker 1: Yep, he started communicating again.
Speaker 2: That's amazing it is.
Speaker 1: So Ken asks him about all the weird stuff happening
in the house.
Speaker 2: The poltergeist activity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Lucas says it's not him. But then he
says he's been experiencing similar things in his own time.
Speaker 2: So both of them are getting haunted.
Speaker 1: Pretty much, and they both start to think that twenty
one oh nine is behind it.
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting. So that future entity is messing with
both of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not sure why, but they don't trust twenty
one on nine.
Speaker 2: I don't blame them.
Speaker 1: So Lucas asks Ken to move the computer to the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Why.
Speaker 1: He thinks it'll give him more privacy.
Speaker 2: Privacy from twenty one oh nine exactly.
Speaker 1: Apparently twenty one oh nine had warned them both about
sharing too much personal information.
Speaker 2: But they're not listening.
Speaker 1: They're starting to rebel a little bit.
Speaker 2: I can understand why.
Speaker 1: Then Lucas makes this really strange request.
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: He asks Ken to leave a piece of paper and
a pen next to the computer.
Speaker 2: Paper and pen what four?
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. Ken's confused, but he does it anyway, okay.
And then what the next morning he finds a handwritten note. Whoa, yeah,
it's written in this old fashion style, and it's signed Thomas.
Speaker 2: Early, Thomas Early.
Speaker 1: And this note contains clues that lead to Lucas's real identity.
Speaker 2: His real identity. So Lucas Waynman wasn't his real name.
Speaker 1: He had been using a fake name, remember, because he
was afraid of being accused of witchcraft, right, which he
actually happened exactly. So the note says, you have my
name in your book. It is also the name of
Peter's house.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's cryptic it is.
Speaker 1: But Peter, the literature teacher, lived in a town called
Harwooden Arwood, and that was also where they both taught. Okay,
So using this clue, they figured out that Thomas Early
was actually.
Speaker 2: Thomas Harwarden, Thomas Hargarden. And guess what, he was a
fellow at Braise Nose.
Speaker 1: You got it. He was there in the fifteen thirties.
Speaker 2: So Lucas Wayneman was really Thomas Harwarden all along.
Speaker 1: That's what it seems like wow, And this discovery seems
to set off twenty one oh nine What do you mean?
A few days later, Ken finds the computer in the bathroom.
Speaker 2: It moved itself, that's what it looks like.
Speaker 1: Then he finds a message written in chalk on the floor.
Speaker 2: What does it say?
Speaker 1: It says, one more chance measure frequency by plus two energy?
What else other than sound in life?
Speaker 2: That's a mouthful, it is.
Speaker 1: It's very cryptic. Then another chalk message appears, and this
one expresses concern that Lucas's real name has been revealed.
Speaker 2: So twenty one oh nine is not happy.
Speaker 1: Apparently not. And it turns out that twenty one oh
nine had been messing with the earlier messages really yeah,
like changing them to hide Thomas's true identity.
Speaker 2: That would explain some of the inconsistencies exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like twenty one oh nine is trying to control
the information flow.
Speaker 2: That's unsettling, it is.
Speaker 1: And around this time, the spr disappears from the picture completely.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: They go public with their skepticism, basically saying that Ken
and Debbie are probably faking it. Oh wow, Yeah, And
when Ken tries to get the records of their investigation.
They tell him there's no record of any such case.
What and that the investigator, John Bucknell has vanished. Yeah,
and they say there's never been anyone named David Welch
associated with the spr.
Speaker 2: So it's like they're trying to erase the whole thing exactly.
Speaker 1: It's very strange, like they.
Speaker 2: Saw something they couldn't explain and just shed it all.
Speaker 1: Maybe. But then two on nine gets in touch with
Ken again really yeah, and they give him the name
a number of a UFO researcher. Okay, a guy named
Gary Rowe, Gary Row, And two to one on nine
says Gary might be able to help them.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what happens?
Speaker 1: Gary skeptical at first, but he agrees to visit Meadow Cottage.
He brings some equipment with him and starts communicating directly
with twenty one on nine, directly how he'll write questions
on pieces of paper, seal them in envelopes and leave
them by the computer. Okay, and then twenty one on
nine responds with printed messages, also sealed in on Blois.
That's wild, it is, and Ken and Debbie aren't allowed
to see any of it.
Speaker 2: Wow. So this is all very hush hush, yeah.
Speaker 1: But after a while Gary starts getting really secretive.
Speaker 2: What do you mean?
Speaker 1: He stops telling Ken and Debbie what's going on. He
even apologizes to them, saying that something twenty one oh
nine told him has made him realize how important all
this is.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's serious business apparently.
Speaker 1: And then Gary just leaves and never contacts them again.
What why he doesn't say, but it seems like twenty
one on nine told him to go away, like.
Speaker 2: They were getting too close to something.
Speaker 1: Maybe so. Meanwhile, Ken is still talking to Thomas, you know,
the guy formerly known as Lucas, Right, and Thomas tells
his side of the story about how the communication started
for him.
Speaker 2: Was he saying?
Speaker 1: Well? He says he saw these glowing lights coming from
his fireplace, okay, and then a man stepped out of
the flames. What Yeah, I know it sounds crazy, but
Thomas says the man told him not to be afraid, okay,
and then the man.
Speaker 2: Disappeared, and then the computer appeared.
Speaker 1: Not exactly, Thomas says he found a light box in
his kitchen, a light box, yeah, And when he talked
to this box, his words would show up on a
screen in glowing green letters.
Speaker 2: He's describing a computer exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty amazing when you think about it.
Speaker 2: It is, So what happens next?
Speaker 1: On March twenty third, nineteen eighty five, Thomas sends his
final message. Oh no, why. He says he has to
leave Doddleston because the villagers are getting suspicious of him, right,
they probably think he's a witch exactly. But in his
final message he expresses hope for the future. It's nice,
it is. He even says he wants to meet Ken
and Peter in Oxford one day.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: And he mentions that he's going to write a book
in Latin.
Speaker 2: A book in Latin.
Speaker 1: Mm. Yeah, it's a really touching farewell.
Speaker 2: What about twenty one oh nine, there's.
Speaker 1: One last message from them?
Speaker 2: What do they say?
Speaker 1: They confirm that Thomas did write his book okay, and
that he hid it somewhere interesting and they say it
will be found eventually.
Speaker 2: So they know the future apparently.
Speaker 1: And that's it. The communication just stops.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a lot to process.
Speaker 1: It is. Over three hundred messages were exchanged between Lucas
twenty one oh nine and Ken.
Speaker 2: Three hundred messages. That's the credible.
Speaker 1: It is, And a few years later, Ken writes his
book The Vertical Plane, laying out the whole story. Okay,
and then in nineteen ninety six there's a BBC documentary
about the case.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kennan Debby appear in it anonymously, but they insist
that everything they've said is true.
Speaker 2: So they're sticking to their story.
Speaker 1: They are, and Debbie has even continued to talk about
it on line in recent years.
Speaker 2: Wow, she's still convinced.
Speaker 1: She is. But of course a lot of people are skeptical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can imagine. It's a wild story.
Speaker 1: It is. So let's look at some of the evidence,
both for and against the authenticity of the messages.
Speaker 2: Okay, good idea.
Speaker 1: So on the side of it being real, you have
Peter Trinder, the literature teacher. He was adamant that the
old English in Lucas's messages was genuine.
Speaker 2: Like it would be really hard to fake.
Speaker 1: Exactly, he said, it would take a real expert to
write like that consistently over so many messages.
Speaker 2: That's a good point.
Speaker 1: And then there are the historical details that Lucas got right,
like what well like I said, he correctly mentioned Henry
the eighth being married to Catherine Parr.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: And then there's the confirmation from the librarian at Brazens.
Speaker 2: About the books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a big one. It's hard to imagine someone
making that up. It would take a lot of research,
a lot of very specific research.
Speaker 2: What about the arguments against it being real.
Speaker 1: Well, there's a linguistic analysis by doctor Laura Wright. Yeah,
and she found some inconsistencies in the verb conjugations in
Lucas's messages, like grammatical errors basically, and she says that
wouldn't be typical of a sixteenth century writer.
Speaker 2: Hmmm. So maybe Lucas wasn't as fluent in Old English
as he claimed.
Speaker 1: That's one possibility. Then there's the software analysis that.
Speaker 2: Was done on the writing style.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it showed similarities between Ken's writing and Lucas's.
Speaker 2: Oh so maybe Ken wrote the messages himself.
Speaker 1: That's what some people think. But Ken disputed that analysis.
He said the sample size was too small and that
there were cherry picking examples. Okay, and then you have
Ken and Debbie's roommate who claims they never saw any
of the weird stuff happening in the house.
Speaker 2: That's a bit suspicious.
Speaker 1: It is, And there was also a rumor that someone
else was researching the same rare books at Oxford around the.
Speaker 2: Same time, So maybe the librarian's confirmation wasn't as unique.
Speaker 1: As it seemed, right, It could be a coincidence.
Speaker 2: So there are definitely valid points on both sides.
Speaker 1: There are, So we're left with this really intriguing mystery.
Speaker 2: The Dondalston messages are either a genuine case of communication
across time or a very elaborate hoax, and we may
never know for.
Speaker 1: Sure, that's the thing. So what do you think?
Speaker 2: Honestly, I'm not sure. I'm leaning towards hoax, but there
are some things that are hard to explain.
Speaker 1: I agree, there are definitely some loose ends.
Speaker 2: What about those predictions from twenty one oh nine.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention those.
Speaker 2: You said, twenty one oh nine predicted Fermat's last theorem
being solved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they gave the coordinates for an undiscovered.
Speaker 2: Quasar and those turned out to be accurate.
Speaker 1: Yep. Pretty crazy, right it is?
Speaker 2: And what about Gary Rowe, the UFO researcher, Well.
Speaker 1: He reportedly continued to believe in the messages until his death. Really, yeah,
he said his experience at Metal Cottage changed his whole worldview.
Speaker 2: Hmm, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: And you also have to consider that Ken and Debbie
never tried to profit from their story, right.
Speaker 2: They stayed anonymous and didn't do a big media.
Speaker 1: Tour exactly, so it's not like they were in it
for the money or Okay.
Speaker 2: So maybe they were telling the truth.
Speaker 1: It's possible.
Speaker 2: But then how do you explain all the inconsistencies.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe there's a rational explanation for everything, maybe,
or maybe we just don't understand the nature of time
and reality as well as we think we do. That's
a scary thought, it is, but it is also kind
of exciting, I guess.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 1: So there you have it, the Doddleston Messages, a story
of impossible communication, historical mysteries, and questions that may never
be answered.
Speaker 2: It definitely makes you think, it does.
Speaker 1: What do you think our listeners should take away from
all this?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I think it's important to keep an open mind. Okay,
there may be things in this universe that we just
don't understand yet, right.
Speaker 1: And maybe someday we'll have the answers maybe, but for now,
the mystery remains it does, and we want to hear
from you. What do you think about the Doddleston messages?
Speaker 2: Yeah, head over to our website and let us know.
Speaker 1: Do you believe in the possibility of communication across time?
Speaker 2: Is it a hoax or something more.
Speaker 1: Were eager to hear your thoughts and theories, and.
Speaker 2: Who knows, maybe one of you will be the one
to finally crack this case wide open.
Speaker 1: Until then, keep exploring, keep questioning, and keep an open mind.
Speaker 2: And we'll see you on our next deep dive.
Speaker 1: Bye for now,