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<v Speaker 1>An American.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Scott's thowing back on seven hundred WWT starting next week.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna need real ID to get through federal security

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<v Speaker 2>checkpoints to fly at like TSA lines obviously in the airports,

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<v Speaker 2>federal buildings and the like and all that is an

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<v Speaker 2>enhanced background check on you. When you go renew your license,

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<v Speaker 2>you bring some extra materials IDs with you. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>to that in a second, so the federal government then

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<v Speaker 2>can rubber stamp you go through the line. Problem is compliance.

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<v Speaker 2>Indiana eighty one percent compliance, so eight out of every

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<v Speaker 2>ten Indianas are good. Ohio is about sixty right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Kentucky is hovering around forty percent, less than forty percent,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a big problem right now, to the point

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<v Speaker 2>where the lawmakers in Kentucky are asking the government for

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<v Speaker 2>an extension of the federal government for an extension. He

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<v Speaker 2>is a state representative. Steve don out of Kentucky's penning

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<v Speaker 2>some legislation to maybe ease this somewhat.

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<v Speaker 3>Steve, welcome back to the show. How are you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing well, sir, Thank you so much for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate you having you on the show. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>look at this and go, come on, man, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to be by the way, New Jersey. Only seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>percent of people in Jersey are real ID compliant, largely

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<v Speaker 2>because they can't fly anywhere because the ankle monitors. But

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<v Speaker 2>what the hell is going on in Kentucky? Why why

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<v Speaker 2>are you guys lagging behind? That's a good look for you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you know, there's some historical context here to

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<v Speaker 1>this issue. We used to have the way that that

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<v Speaker 1>driver's licensing work in Kentucky is you had one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty counties and every county clerk was responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>partnering up with the Department of Transportations to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that those things, those licenses were issued that way. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that happened in twenty twenty one is

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of our or maybe about twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of our county clerk started to say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't really have the capacity to issue these real ideas.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have the funding, we don't have the resources

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<v Speaker 1>available to it. And so some legislation was passed that

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<v Speaker 1>year to revance these this whole process and to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a regionalized system them of licensing as opposed to

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<v Speaker 1>that that county clerk issue.

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<v Speaker 3>So this has to do more with bureaucracy than anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, you know, what happens is you have and it

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<v Speaker 1>really impacts rural Kentucky specifically. You know, in the more

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<v Speaker 1>urban areas, it's a little bit easier, right, you can

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<v Speaker 1>get in, you can get out, but when you have

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<v Speaker 1>about three or four counties that you might be servicing regionally,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very difficult for all the folks to funnel into

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<v Speaker 1>one spot. So there's definitely a lot of bureaucratic red

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<v Speaker 1>tape involved in it. Just logistically it's difficult. And you

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<v Speaker 1>hear this a lot with guys that have CDL, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just getting in to get a renewal and its something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. It's been an absolute nightmare here in Kentucky

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<v Speaker 1>for question time.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, but but here's the rub.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like telling my kids that you know, when

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<v Speaker 2>they're where they're complining to us. It's like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>You've had the better part of twenty years, Like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>last year Congress said do this. No, this has been

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<v Speaker 2>going on since the Bush administration. We've known this state

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<v Speaker 2>was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, we've been a state that's been resistance

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<v Speaker 1>to it since the beginning. I think, uh, Governor Matt

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<v Speaker 1>Bevin when he was in he ended up detoing some

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<v Speaker 1>legislation that would have started the implementation of real IBE.

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<v Speaker 1>He ultimately, i think, later enacted that into law. There's

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<v Speaker 1>some some additional legislation maybe a year later. But yeah, Kentucky,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of resistant to you know, big government

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<v Speaker 1>telling them to do anything. So I kind of can't

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<v Speaker 1>blame the folks here for not.

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<v Speaker 2>On Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, too much. Less government is better government in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion. But the ask here really is not that big,

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<v Speaker 2>and considering it also came from a Republican administration. Although

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<v Speaker 2>they are ready to have all the information, they're just

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<v Speaker 2>asking you basically bring your Social Security card and a

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<v Speaker 2>phone bill. I mean, that's the the ask really isn't

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<v Speaker 2>that big. You all the information that they have, uh

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<v Speaker 2>is already on by you. Just bringing it in to

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<v Speaker 2>verify who you are is not really that big a

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<v Speaker 2>hurdle to jump when it comes to civil liberties, is it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, we did another licensing thing here in

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<v Speaker 1>the state where you had to get I think we're

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<v Speaker 1>the only state that does is she has to go

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<v Speaker 1>get an annual certification for your vision to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that you're able to drive right. And that's been an

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<v Speaker 1>abolute nightmare in and of itself for folks being able

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<v Speaker 1>to get those things done. So, you know, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>increased hurdles that folks aren't used to. You don't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>for you know, what, do you renew your license every.

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<v Speaker 3>Four years or whatever?

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<v Speaker 2>Ye?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, And so it's just something that I think folks,

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<v Speaker 1>if they have the option to opt out of it,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to opt out of that additional.

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<v Speaker 2>Hurdle whatever, or you show off, you show up what

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<v Speaker 2>they usually having. Good are the because is it cost

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<v Speaker 2>a little extra for the real idea?

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<v Speaker 3>I forget.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's like forty dollars for the real.

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<v Speaker 2>Idea versus whatever it is for a regular driver's license.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe people look at it and go, yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not paying that extra money. But now those people are going, well,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, what do you mean I can't fly

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<v Speaker 2>or get into a building or it might be the

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<v Speaker 2>night access and now people are losing their minds over that.

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<v Speaker 2>That's more on them for not understanding, you know, what's required.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean in Georgia, it's nearly one hundred percent compliance,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, simply because that's just how they do their

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<v Speaker 2>licensing there. It's like, yeah, bring all that stuff with

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<v Speaker 2>you when you give your driver's license. Not a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And so everyone's already compliant. You know, if you just

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<v Speaker 2>would have changed maybe just changed the rules to that,

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<v Speaker 2>that seemed to work.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I and I, you know, I kept playing folks

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<v Speaker 1>for here one of the things that I did. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a way around if you don't have a real

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<v Speaker 1>idea or you don't want to get one each go

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<v Speaker 1>out and you can get a passport. I d so

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<v Speaker 1>I've got one of these that carry in my wallet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's a passport. It doesn't allow you to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>travel international, but it does allow you to travel, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>within the United States, and it does comply with those

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<v Speaker 1>real ID requirements so that you can get on a

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<v Speaker 1>flight here come the next couple of days if you

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<v Speaker 1>don't have your real ID.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So let's go out through this right now, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a huge backup at the driver's licensing offices with real ID,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't get an appointment. So June, I believe right

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<v Speaker 2>as to the point where lawmakers are begging the federal

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<v Speaker 2>government for an extension.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think that's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we need one, We almost have to have

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<v Speaker 1>one here in Kentucky. I'm not sure what it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like for us to get an extension. I know that

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Matthews has been fighting pretty hard with Christy Gnome

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<v Speaker 1>over there. Who has the ability and the authority to

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<v Speaker 1>make those decisions. You know, Representative Savannah Mattock who authored

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<v Speaker 1>House Bill five eighteen, which is the move to a

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<v Speaker 1>county base instead of a regional base. He did a

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<v Speaker 1>post yesterday on Facebook and went through some of the

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<v Speaker 1>wait times for folks in Bellevue, Kentucky. No appointments available,

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<v Speaker 1>Bardstown forty five days. Oh it's for a thirty eight

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<v Speaker 1>Louisville sixty days. A couple of them have sixty days.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's just significant wait times out there. Even And

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<v Speaker 1>another thing that happened that maybe is kind of dovetailing

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<v Speaker 1>into this in the short term, we changed with House

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<v Speaker 1>Bill fifteen slash Legislative session, the licensing requirements for kids.

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<v Speaker 1>So now if you're a fifteen year old and you

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<v Speaker 1>can get a driver's license, and so I think there's

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<v Speaker 1>even that additional rush on top of folks just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to comply with the real ID.

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<v Speaker 2>He is a state representative, Steve down, Kentucky Representative on

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<v Speaker 2>the real ID crisis. Only about forty percent of Kentuckians

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<v Speaker 2>elvis before driver's license have real ID. The problem there

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<v Speaker 2>is you would need that to fly, to go into

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<v Speaker 2>a federal building, anything that has to do with the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government, you would need a real ID. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>just an enhanced background check basically to make sure you

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<v Speaker 2>are hear you say you are. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if that's big government as much as it

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<v Speaker 2>is just making sure you are who we say you are.

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<v Speaker 2>And it seems to me Kentuckians who overwhelming supported President

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<v Speaker 2>Trump and the only i think category cord of the

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<v Speaker 2>pollsters anyway that the President isn't underwater on is immigration

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<v Speaker 2>and cracking down the flow of illegals.

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<v Speaker 3>If you support that, as I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Then it seems like could make sense that you, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting a real idea anyway, that you present more

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<v Speaker 2>information to show who you support, who you say you are.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, those two things go in and end.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they Yeah, you know, to an extent, when this

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<v Speaker 1>thing was passed in twenty twenty, two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't necessarily the illegal immigrations they were looking at, right,

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<v Speaker 1>They was used more as a way to crack down

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<v Speaker 1>on terrorists who may have been here, you know, legally

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<v Speaker 1>at the time. And so I think that's one way

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<v Speaker 1>that the administration has kind of pivoted into, Hey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>get this federal system rolling. Let's use that as a

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<v Speaker 1>popular issue to you know, push folks into it and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of you know, quell any any descent.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, we support anti terrorism measures and anti

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<v Speaker 2>legal immigration measures until you asked me to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>And maybe it's not in my backyard system that Kentuckians

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<v Speaker 2>are are are afraid of her, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's just Kentucky that if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at Senator Mike Lee, I mean he's filed legislations for

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<v Speaker 1>batsa outright. And so I think that people have kind

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<v Speaker 1>of over the last twenty years, twenty five years or

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years kind of seen this, no this twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>years since eleven, kind of seen this expansion of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>government control and government spy state essentially, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of sick of it and wanting to see

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit less government and move those things back

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<v Speaker 1>to the state level. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly, but you know, if you're gonna interact federally, you

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<v Speaker 2>kind of need a standard there. I understand that, and

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<v Speaker 2>the documents you need. By the way, I know Jesse Brewer,

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<v Speaker 2>our mutual friend, has a great setups called Commissioner Corner

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<v Speaker 2>Commissioner not Commissioner's Commissioner Corner dot com. All the information

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<v Speaker 2>is there you need, what you will need to bring

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<v Speaker 2>if you get your real ID. I will say this though,

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<v Speaker 2>that some people, particularly women have changed their names because

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<v Speaker 2>they got married, have to provide legal paperwork they may

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<v Speaker 2>not have on hand in order to get that reyal id.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's a problem for married folks.

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<v Speaker 1>It may be. You know, it's not too difficult. I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be quite honest. I've never had to change my name.

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<v Speaker 1>It was my my wife that did it. And I

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<v Speaker 1>love that through the Social Security Office as well. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you know that marriage license you can usually get

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<v Speaker 1>And Jesse has a great you mentioned you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>Commissioner's Corner website. It's a great website where you can

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. If you're looking for something like

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<v Speaker 1>that and move county.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you're sponsoring House Bill five eighteen that expand

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<v Speaker 2>driver's licensing service in the counties between the Cabinet, Transporission

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<v Speaker 2>Cabinet and the circuit clerks.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what you're talking about, trying to streamline things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's exactly what I'm talking about. You know how

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<v Speaker 1>still five eighteen is a way to address that backlog,

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<v Speaker 1>that consolidation. What it's done is it's just made less

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<v Speaker 1>you're able to create more opportunities for folks to get in.

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<v Speaker 1>There are issues that need to be addressed regarding security

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<v Speaker 1>and those kinds of things, but I think this Department

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<v Speaker 1>of Transportation in Kentucky has worked that out and we

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<v Speaker 1>can easily implement those systems on a cammy wide basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, I've said look at this, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think we all look at and go, well, why why

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<v Speaker 2>did this take to you know, a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>before before the real I standard went no effect on

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<v Speaker 2>May seventh, So coming up next week and now Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Think we got to get I think we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to streamline some stuff. And that's not entirely on

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<v Speaker 2>you just you're part of the legislature. I just sit

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<v Speaker 2>back in Ohio with popcorn to watch this go. What

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<v Speaker 2>are you guys doing? And I really can't speak because Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>we're only forty percent compliance. So it's not like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got this in conquered either.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a new thing. It was a big, big fight.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't around in the legislature when they moved to

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<v Speaker 1>the regional offices, but from my understanding, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge fight. You know, the county clerks were really upset

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<v Speaker 1>about it, and you've got they've got a powerful lobbying group,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know they're able to influence their legislators quite well.

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<v Speaker 1>And so even they continue to push back against this bill,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want it to come back to them because

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<v Speaker 1>in their office that they're not really compensated for by

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<v Speaker 1>much rather see it over there at the Department's Transportation.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Department of transportation probably like having a

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's just government fighting government.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it seems like if you just if you just

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<v Speaker 2>make this the standard across the board like that in Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>that's easy way to solve it. Next time eveing for

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<v Speaker 2>a license, here's what you got to bring with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, oh I was forty percent compliant. I messed

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<v Speaker 2>that up. I'll have we're sixty percent compliant. But you

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<v Speaker 2>guys are forty, Indiana eighty one. At least, we're all

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<v Speaker 2>not New Jersey. That's only seventeen percent compliance there. They've

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<v Speaker 2>they got a long way to go. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how you can have seventeen states that don't have half

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<v Speaker 2>the population with real ID and not maybe give them

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more time, lay this thing a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>It kind of would make sense. Let everyone catch up

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<v Speaker 2>at this point. But again, we'll have folks just waiting

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<v Speaker 2>in the last minute, hoping for a bailout. Is this

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<v Speaker 2>it's what we do. We you know, we just we

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<v Speaker 2>extend things we shouldn't extend and go No, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have to get your bleep together and figure

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff out. And the ask, as I said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>really not that big. You got to bring documents with

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<v Speaker 2>your full legal name, your data, birth you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>obviously if you're US citizen, social security number, and at

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<v Speaker 2>least in Ohio, no, it's two proofs of street address,

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<v Speaker 2>so it could be a utility bill and something else

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<v Speaker 2>to show that's where you are. And then you get

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<v Speaker 2>a little I don't know, a little star in the

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<v Speaker 2>corner of your driver's license, and you can go to

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<v Speaker 2>airports and go through lines and stuff like that. Just

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<v Speaker 2>try to be try to be more secure. But if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't plan on flying at all or maybe going

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<v Speaker 2>to a federal building, should you even bother getting the

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<v Speaker 2>real idea? I men know plenty of people just they

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<v Speaker 2>I don't travel. If I go anywhere, I drive, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not I'm never gonna fly. So would you need it?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, no, you could survive with just the regular life.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, one of the things that folks who

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<v Speaker 1>really push back against this is there concern that there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be some type of a federal database where

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<v Speaker 1>they're capturing everybody's information. One of the beauties of our

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<v Speaker 1>system is that we have this decentralized government, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of each state does its own thing, and even each

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<v Speaker 1>come together as part of this thing. And so as

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<v Speaker 1>you see this, this large federal oversight come down to

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<v Speaker 1>capture everybody's information to kind of monitor them. I even

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<v Speaker 1>hear stories, and I don't know if they're true or not.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear stories that these things seem when you go

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<v Speaker 1>by federal buildings or something like that. And I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>pictures online of people, you know, show them maybe some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of chip in there, and r if i'd be

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<v Speaker 1>I've looked at some of these things, you know, through

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<v Speaker 1>a pretty bright light here at least thinking tucky, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen anything like that at them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you ever try to, if you ever look

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<v Speaker 2>at it this way, it's it's like a credit card.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you walk into Kroger. Not every terminal is

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<v Speaker 2>going to go off with your credit card is because

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<v Speaker 2>it's reading it. You have to actually physic or touch it.

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<v Speaker 2>So we don't have the technology. It's not it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that way in that idea. Just think of a credit card.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's the extent of your technology. When it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to a chip reader, you got to be fairly close

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<v Speaker 2>to the reader for the thing to go off. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not just walking by the federal building. That's silly.

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you completely on that point, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's and in terms of just capturing information, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we it's one thing for a bank, or it's one

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<v Speaker 1>thing for your grocery store to capture your information, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's a totally different thing when the government does it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we have those Fourth Amendments protections, we have,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a constitution that says that the government can't

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<v Speaker 1>just grab our information and kind of a drag net fashion.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's one of the reasons that some of

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<v Speaker 1>so hard. It's a slippery slope once we give up

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<v Speaker 1>just our general basic information to the government. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>how much more are they're going to take from where

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to go from there?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll push back and say I get I get

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<v Speaker 2>to complaint there, Steve Oh, But if you're of that group,

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<v Speaker 2>then you shouldn't have any ID, no driver's license, no

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<v Speaker 2>state issued, caired, nothing, because the information that you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to show them to prove to the in this case,

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<v Speaker 2>the state through the federal government or the federal gum

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<v Speaker 2>through the state is to just reinforce the information you

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<v Speaker 2>already gave them. You're not giving them new information. You're

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<v Speaker 2>you're just breaking in and verifying who you are. They

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<v Speaker 2>already have the information that this doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 1>It's different groups, right, I mean, that's the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a state level versus a federal level of

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<v Speaker 1>having all that information. If it's at a state level,

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<v Speaker 1>it's harder for the FED the FED to get and

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa. So it's keeping that decentralized, that broken up

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<v Speaker 1>government that kind of restricts power from getting too big

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<v Speaker 1>and letting anybody take over.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're presenting it not to the federal government. You're

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<v Speaker 2>presenting it to the state. They're just verifying who you are.

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<v Speaker 2>This isn't the federal government, this is this is the

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<v Speaker 2>county clerks.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think anybody's really objecting to the state, yeah

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<v Speaker 1>knowing licensing or doing those kinds. I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>objection is that there's a federal government that's captured all

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<v Speaker 1>of this information.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're not going What I'm saying is you're not

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<v Speaker 2>going to the FEDS. You're going to the state to

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<v Speaker 2>get the real ID. They're just verifying who you say

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<v Speaker 2>you are. This information is. It's not all going to

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<v Speaker 2>the it's not all uploaded the FED or I guess

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<v Speaker 2>they're already having the database anyway. I mean, if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if you do something to trigger you know, federal government,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say the FBI involved, they're going to pull your

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<v Speaker 2>state records.

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<v Speaker 1>I think go through process.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, I gotta get going, and I appreciate the

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<v Speaker 2>time as always A state Rep. Steve down in Kentucky again,

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<v Speaker 2>only about forty percent of Kentucky ands eligible for a

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<v Speaker 2>driver's license have real idea that standard goes into effect

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<v Speaker 2>next week, and he's working on legislation to maybe streamline.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a little bit better and it's a long time coming.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll find out what happens with the ask of a

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<v Speaker 2>temporary retreat for Kentucky and sixteen other states.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see how they goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve all the best man. Thanks for checking out. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate your time go to speak with you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, thank you so much for having me on take care.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea why this is such a big deal.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest with you as a as a small

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<v Speaker 3>They already have the info.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I don't know what warrior for, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what the battle is here. Somebody helped me slowly.

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<v Speaker 2>Seven hundred other