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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>I AM six forty Bill Handle here on a Wednesday morning,

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<v Speaker 2>November sixth, yesterday. Of course, Donald Trump having been elected

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<v Speaker 2>the forty seventh President of the United States not only

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<v Speaker 2>the electoral college but the popular vote. So there can

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<v Speaker 2>be no argument I at least still hate the electoral

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<v Speaker 2>college system. Also, if there is any doubt whatsoever that

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump is pro business, the stock market is up

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hundred points, that's all.

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<v Speaker 1>What does that tell you? Yeah, yeah, pretty much pro business. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the propositions that were passed last night, probably the

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<v Speaker 2>most overwhelming passage was Prop thirty six with seventy percent.

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<v Speaker 2>That is beyond a landslide, that is a wipeout. And

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<v Speaker 2>this was the tough on crime ballot initiative, harsher penalties

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<v Speaker 2>for retail theft, property crimes, drug offenses. Todd Spitzer, who

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<v Speaker 2>is the DA of Orange County, who is considered pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much of a hard ass against crime which a prosecutor

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<v Speaker 2>should be, joins us and Todd has been a friend

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<v Speaker 2>for way over thirty years.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd, A couple things for small welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Second, are you at all surprised that it was this overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's analyze it a little bit from your point of view.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, let me just say good morning, Bill, and can

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<v Speaker 3>you say trifecta. Let me give you the trifecta. Prop

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<v Speaker 3>thirty six seventy percent, Nathan Hawkman sixty one percent, the

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<v Speaker 3>recall of Pam Price, the George Gascone of the North

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<v Speaker 3>in Alameda County sixty five percent. Recall. Okay, I mean listen,

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<v Speaker 3>I think last night was a statement statewide, knock the

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<v Speaker 3>crap off, keep us safe. We want to be safe.

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<v Speaker 3>Just go back to being a safe state and knock

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<v Speaker 3>off all these experiments. And so do I think seventy

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<v Speaker 3>percent was overwhelming. Let me tell you something, not everybody

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<v Speaker 3>knows the billionaires, right, the ones that the George Soros group,

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<v Speaker 3>the want netfligs, Facebook, the funds that they put in

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<v Speaker 3>to try to, you know, open the prison doors. All

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<v Speaker 3>the friends of Gavin knew, some that have dinner at

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<v Speaker 3>the French laundry. They put in millions of dollars. Bill

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<v Speaker 3>in San Diego County, hoping to use San Diego to

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<v Speaker 3>offset the rest of the state against Prop thirty six.

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<v Speaker 3>San Diego passed with sixty seven percent of the vote

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<v Speaker 3>for Prop. Thirty six. Orange County was seventy six per

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<v Speaker 3>sent bill. Those numbers are astronomical. They are even la

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<v Speaker 3>with sixty six percent.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you had railed against Prop.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty seven, which reduced penalties for crimes. And now we

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<v Speaker 2>are back to the where I think, and certainly you think,

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<v Speaker 2>is more well more accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it going to change at all your ability to prosecute.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll make two points, Bill, It's gonna make a great

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<v Speaker 3>ability to change and prosecute. But let me just tell you.

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<v Speaker 3>If DA's over use this new tool and we abuse

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<v Speaker 3>it and we are perceived as too tough on crime

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<v Speaker 3>where we're just filling the prisons again and we're not

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<v Speaker 3>forcing people into treatment and using this for deterrence, it

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<v Speaker 3>will backfire on us. And you know, I've been friends

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<v Speaker 3>with you a long time. I've been around a long

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<v Speaker 3>time now, and I'm not going to let this boomerang.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't allow my colleagues around the state to overuse

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<v Speaker 3>the new tools we were given by the voters last night.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, would you quickly explain which one is just

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<v Speaker 2>I'd rather hear it from your mouth, because you're the DA.

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<v Speaker 1>What does Prop thirty six do.

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<v Speaker 3>So it says, if you have two or more convictions

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<v Speaker 3>for drug possession, we can give you dory air door B.

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<v Speaker 3>We can tell you you have to go into treatment

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<v Speaker 3>and you have to deal with your addiction, or if

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<v Speaker 3>you refuse, we can incarcerate you. So it is treatment

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<v Speaker 3>first sentinel. It tells a drug dealer, now, as a

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<v Speaker 3>matter of law, if you deal drugs and you are convicted,

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<v Speaker 3>if you deal drugs in the future and you kill

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<v Speaker 3>somebody and the substance that you sold them has fetanyl,

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<v Speaker 3>you now can be charged with murder. So every judge

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<v Speaker 3>has to give that admonishment in court to a convicted

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<v Speaker 3>drug dealer, just like we do with drunk driving when

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<v Speaker 3>somebody is convicted that we can charge them with murder

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<v Speaker 3>if they kill. Okay, in the future. So we have

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<v Speaker 3>the fentanyl, we have the drugs, and then we have theft.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, we have a nine hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>We did not change that in Prop thirty six, but

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<v Speaker 3>we said if you have two or more convictions for

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<v Speaker 3>petty theft, we can now charge you with a felony,

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<v Speaker 3>which is what we used to have, and we lost

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<v Speaker 3>that and that's why we have all these thefts and

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<v Speaker 3>smashing grabs.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Todd, I guess it's appropriate to take congratulations,

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<v Speaker 2>although you know, based on what so many of us think,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going back to a logical use of the law.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd, your voices a little bit out. You've been screaming.

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<v Speaker 3>No. I was with Nathan last night late in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 3>and I've been doing interviews, and let me just tell you, Bill,

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<v Speaker 3>I am so excited that California, at least with respect

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<v Speaker 3>to public safety, maybe going back to the middle just

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<v Speaker 3>truth in sentencing. Let's just follow the law, follow the evidence,

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<v Speaker 3>and protect the public.

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<v Speaker 2>Todd Spitzer, da friend over thirty years and district attorney

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<v Speaker 2>in Orange County.

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<v Speaker 1>Todd, you have a good one. Take care of your voice.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a good one, Thanks, Cheryl. Okay, what did

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<v Speaker 2>we decide as Californian's last night? And I think the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest one was Prop thirty six, which Todd Spitzer just

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, and that's bringing accountability back. As he mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>this prop had to do with making sure that criminals

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<v Speaker 2>are going to be more accountable. In the aftermath of

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<v Speaker 2>the George Floyd and the Black Lives Matter movement, das

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<v Speaker 2>and laws were swept away in terms of how serious

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<v Speaker 2>crimes were considered, how crimes were defined, how they were

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<v Speaker 1>Well, this, this brings us back.

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<v Speaker 2>In other words, some of the terms of Prop.

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<v Speaker 1>Thirty six has to do with theft. Simple theft.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got to retail theft, that can be a felony

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<v Speaker 2>after two and then fentanyl selling and you know that

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<v Speaker 2>becomes a felony.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it just brings us back to normalcy. So

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<v Speaker 1>that was easy.

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<v Speaker 2>That was seventy percent. Seventy percent we voted. And then

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<v Speaker 2>a couple things about money that I wanted to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Prop two.

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<v Speaker 2>Authorize the state to borrow ten billion dollars to modernize

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<v Speaker 2>K through twelve schools and community colleges. As I said

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday and a few days before, Californians have never met

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<v Speaker 2>a tax they don't like, which is why we have

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<v Speaker 2>the highest tax rate in the United States by a

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<v Speaker 2>long shot. And this one is not necessarily a tax

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<v Speaker 2>per se. It allows the state to borrow money, sell

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<v Speaker 2>a bond, and then we pay for it back. So

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it's the second tier tax. We voted yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's borrow another ten billion dollars. We voted yes to

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<v Speaker 2>the tune of fifty six percent. Now another bond ten

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars to help fund the response to climate related disasters, drought, flooding.

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<v Speaker 1>Extreme heat in shore, clean drinking water.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I voted no on Prop two. Yes

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<v Speaker 1>on Prop.

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<v Speaker 2>Four dealing with the clean water and flooding and climate

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<v Speaker 2>related to disasters.

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<v Speaker 1>I voted yes on that one. And I'll tell you why.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this is state government, and this climate change has

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<v Speaker 2>really taken everybody for a loop. It's really not their fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Prop five.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, this is an interest interesting one local governments. It

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<v Speaker 2>would be easier for local governments to approve bonds and

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<v Speaker 2>tax measures that fund affordable housing and some public infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>And all it does is require lower the requirement vote

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<v Speaker 2>to approve those measures from two thirds to fifty five percent.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to know something, we voted no, voted no,

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<v Speaker 2>And it could be maybe we've reached the point where

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<v Speaker 2>the money that's going to housing and homelessness is.

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<v Speaker 1>So high that it almost dwarfs everything else. That's my

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<v Speaker 2>Well might as well, spend our entire budget on homeless

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<v Speaker 2>because we're moving in that direction. And this will do

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<v Speaker 2>the last one before we take a break. Sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>coughing here. This is banning involuntary servitude and in mandatory

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<v Speaker 2>work requirement for state prisoners. State prisoners under current law

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<v Speaker 2>can be forced to work. And this was called the

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<v Speaker 2>Anti Slavery Statute or anti Slavery proposition.

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<v Speaker 1>We voted no.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly we are in favor of slavery in this state.

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<v Speaker 2>Slavery is a very popular thing. Not bad you slaveholders,

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<v Speaker 2>pro slave people, Okay, so be it. Prop Thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>would have allowed cities and counties to enact rent control

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<v Speaker 2>to bring in more rent controls cities and counties, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Monica cities would be able to out Santa Monica

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<v Speaker 2>out Anamonica Santa Monica with rent control.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a big sixty one percent no. That was surprising.

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<v Speaker 2>Prop thirty four and I'm surprised that barely passed. Healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>providers have to spend most of the revenue they get

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<v Speaker 2>from federal prescription drug discount programs on direct patient care,

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<v Speaker 2>not advertising, not political ads, straight to patient care. And

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<v Speaker 2>it only passed by fifty one percent. Figure that one out.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, California voters, we approved the measure

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<v Speaker 2>to provide permanent funding for medical which is our version

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<v Speaker 2>of Medicaid. And right now, the tax on managed health

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<v Speaker 2>insurance plans that funds the program is expiring twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the way these measures are passed. You have taxes,

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<v Speaker 2>You have certain measures that are going only on for

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<v Speaker 2>three or five, five or ten years, and then the

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<v Speaker 2>sunset out because they are for either emergency purposes or

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<v Speaker 2>to fund various programs, and then okay, we funded it,

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<v Speaker 2>We're done. What ends up happening is that no tax

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<v Speaker 2>is ever revoked, even temporary taxes become permanent taxes.

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<v Speaker 1>And how why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because they're always advertised as this won't raise taxes one bit,

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<v Speaker 2>you won't pay one penny more for this proposition, and

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<v Speaker 2>they leave out the fact that it's supposed to end

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<v Speaker 2>next year and it's going to go on forever. Therefore

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<v Speaker 2>you're not paying any more than you do now. And

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<v Speaker 2>you've got things that go up a quarter of a cent,

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<v Speaker 2>another quarter of ascent. And this is how we work

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<v Speaker 2>in California. You know, I'm surprised that there isn't this

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<v Speaker 2>huge influx or out flux of California is leaving the state.

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<v Speaker 2>We have become and we are the most expensive state

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States to live in.

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<v Speaker 1>Housing is astronomical.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, the cost of gasoline, although it's gone down.

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<v Speaker 1>Is more expensive than ever before.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will also say something about Donald Trump being

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<v Speaker 2>pro business. Donald Trump is pro business as long as

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<v Speaker 2>your business is not in California.

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<v Speaker 1>He hates California.

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<v Speaker 2>And case in point is the salt and salt is

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<v Speaker 2>basically eliminating your property taxes to for deductions beyond ten

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, there are people that pay.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty five thousand and thirty thousand dollars in property tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you have a home that's let's say a two

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<v Speaker 2>million dollar house, which is not astronomicals. So you pay

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thousand dollars in property tax, you can only deduct

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Why well, because that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Put in, by the way, during Donald Trump's previous administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Why well, because it's California has those expensive, expensive tax rates.

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<v Speaker 2>You go to a southern state, nothing like that happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that changed to a max of ten thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because Californians make more money than people in Alabama do.

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<v Speaker 2>Because Californians voted against Donald Trump. People in Alabama love

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump. So let's just say, whatever laws that are

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<v Speaker 2>going to be passed helping people out not going to

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the reality of it. So, by the way, pro.

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<v Speaker 2>Business, it's Donald Trump is perceived as so pro business,

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<v Speaker 2>which he is for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy, what is the stock market? Earlier?

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<v Speaker 2>You had said had been up twelve one hundred points,

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<v Speaker 1>What is it now?

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<v Speaker 2>It's now up thirteen hundred and sixty nine points. That's unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>I've never heard of that those numbers going up that high.

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<v Speaker 2>You think the perception that President Trump is pro business? Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll see, we'll see. I think that's true. I

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<v Speaker 2>think workers are going to be put on a lower run.

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<v Speaker 2>I think those people who are working stiffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Are and it's a lot of people that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are working stiff. I don't know if I put myself

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<v Speaker 1>That's fair gross, thank you. I do believe that middle

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<v Speaker 1>class is not going to be treated.

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<v Speaker 2>So well under President Trump. I do not believe that,

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<v Speaker 2>although he pushed it very hard.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you can't. As as who voted for him.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly that's exactly correct. That's exactly correct.

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<v Speaker 2>That he was able to convince the middle class that

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<v Speaker 2>he would do better for them than Kamala Harris, which

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<v Speaker 2>I believe is the other way around. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just telling you that. And this is not a

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<v Speaker 2>value judgment, this is not a moral judgment. I just

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<v Speaker 2>believe you cannot be pro pro business and still be

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<v Speaker 1>The two just don't work together. So we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said, we are in for a roller coaster

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<v Speaker 2>ride this next four years. As I said before, this

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<v Speaker 2>as the electric college went to Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>And no one can argue that this is a democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the way it works. And I know people

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<v Speaker 1>are very upset. I know people who are very upset

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<v Speaker 1>about the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Getting texts and it is the level of losing I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen in terms of how upset people are. But

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<v Speaker 2>I want to share with you something that you probably

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<v Speaker 2>are not going to hear, and that is.

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<v Speaker 1>How Donald Trump handled this election.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm talking about a reference to a book that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm reading by Bob Woodward called War Bob, Bob Woodward

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<v Speaker 2>Watergate story and then they wrote a bunch of books,

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<v Speaker 2>and Woodward has written dozens of books. Anyway, he's going

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<v Speaker 2>through his files and he discusses it in his book

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<v Speaker 2>that he keeps the number of files and the records that.

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<v Speaker 1>He keeps like fills garages.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's going through his one of his boxes and

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<v Speaker 2>he pulls on an envelope and in it was a

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<v Speaker 2>taped interview that he did with Donald Trump when Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump was forty two years old, and talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>he Donald Trump made business decisions, and he said, I

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<v Speaker 2>always go by my gut. I don't listen to people

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<v Speaker 2>around me, and I've made some spectacular deals. The best

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<v Speaker 2>deals I've ever made was not listening to people that

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<v Speaker 2>were telling me what to do. Fast forward to the election,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump was off message. We heard that about his

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<v Speaker 2>advisers telling him he was completely off message. He was ranting,

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<v Speaker 1>To areas that made no sense whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>And he kept on saying, I don't listen to my advisors.

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<v Speaker 2>We heard that over and over again, that he's going

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<v Speaker 2>contrary to his circle told him what to do, and

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<v Speaker 2>he always said, I don't listen to my advisors. I

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<v Speaker 2>go with my gut instinct. And his gut instinct worked.

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<v Speaker 2>His advisors told them, stay on message, stay on message,

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<v Speaker 2>stay on message. His gut instinct is attack, make stuff up.

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<v Speaker 2>Why literally, dogs and cats. I would not want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a Haitian in Springfield, Ohio going into a pet

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<v Speaker 1>I would not want to do that because, well, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna do? Are you gonna get arrested for

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<v Speaker 1>eating the dogs? It all worked. The point is.

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<v Speaker 2>That Donald Trump, in his own way, clearly knows more

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<v Speaker 2>than his advisors ever will, knows more than his business

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<v Speaker 2>partners ever will.

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<v Speaker 1>And why is that because he doesn't listen to them.

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the scary part is that he is now

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<v Speaker 2>and he's gonna ignore all of them because he wins

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<v Speaker 2>by doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>He totally wins.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are going to see a president who doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have necessarily more power than other presidents do. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>he will if both Congress and the Senate and the

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<v Speaker 2>presidency is one house, that one Republican party, of which

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<v Speaker 2>he really isn't a Republican. The party is Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the Democratic Party, there's the Donald Trump Party.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there are a couple of some offshoots. So

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<v Speaker 1>prepare yourself. It's going to be a roller coaster ride.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've talked a little bit about it, and we

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<v Speaker 2>will be talking more and more as decisions are made.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to take us for a loop. Hey, this

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<v Speaker 2>is America, all right? We do this again tomorrow once again.

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<v Speaker 2>Wake up call at five o'clock with Amy, then the

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