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there has been leaked multip leak trailers since last year.
Isn't that crazy? That's first sure leaked last year like
in twenty twenty five, and the way this long we
got yesterday, I'm not sure if you saw this on TikTok.
They were releasing like two second clips of the trailer,
not the full trailer.
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Speaker 4: So now, yeah we posted there, but I'm not a
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But finally it is her spider Man brand new day
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But let's get into it. Kirkland patz Er, how did
you uh Tato's jealousy's on this week with the Geek?
He kept asking me about it, He kept asking me
oh with Spierman. Drun when Spierman drop and then he's
been about it, you know, get at where's the ban option?
Put user and time out there we go, No, we
won't do it.
Speaker 2: Do that.
Speaker 4: Hope everything is all good over there, mister Field, Kirk
and Pats are off. See the spidy boy Spierman brand
new day. He's coming out in July, so it's not
April May, June four months, four months away, so much sooner.
Speaker 1: Than I feel like I really thought about. You know, yeah,
I feel like I had that date like crossed my
mind recently, but until you just said it. Now, it's
like it's really sinking in. I mean we're almost in
what March is already halfway done now, like yeah crazy, yeah,
March eighteenth, yeah, client, But no, it's it's exciting, and
I feel like usually when these types of big trailers drop,
I don't actually watch them till I'm like after work
or whatever. Like where I'm working right now, I get
like zero service at all, so I'm like in the
bomb shelter and then I come out at like lunch
to quickly check messages, pointing with your finger at me.
What's going on?
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm storming norm Trest now on the
man just talking.
Speaker 1: Is I'm the friendly quirkly Yeah, because.
Speaker 4: I saw it yesterday. I just got like eight ten
notifications from Kirkland like give me laugh emojis for a
thing that was three days old. You know, he's not lying.
Speaker 1: I catch up. I do catch up, but yeah, I
sometimes it's it's like I just I'm off great or something.
Get off the internet every once in a while. But uh, yeah, no.
I So I saw like a stream of images, whether
it was like tailor or you posting it in our
our group chat. The stuff I've seen like cross Discord,
so like just getting little bits and pieces. It's like
I'm it's like I'm paul A Trad's just drinking drinking
the blue stuff and I'm seeing like fragments of the future.
Speaker 4: And had a question about that later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. But to actually sit down and
watch the trailer, I never actually watched the leaked trailer
at all. I didn't think. So, yeah, you're no, I
try not to be and uh I leak everywhere. You
do leak everywhere? Yeahpecially when Sony is crafting trailers. They
like to leak their own ship. You know that. I
feel like they shouldn't include uh in the in the trailers,
but I'll get there. Overall, though, this was a really
really high trailer. It was fun to watch this. Like
I watched this and then Dune. I was just fucking
hipping in Horrayan in my in my office here, getting
all pumped up. Just yeah, it's gonna be such an
exciting year of cinema. I know it's already. It's already
March kind of has been already. There's been some good
stuff released already, but still answer bad.
Speaker 4: What is the good stuff you've seen? Because I think
like weather Hits. You're man, you haven't seen Project Hill
Mary because you're dealing refray of space.
Speaker 1: So that's that's maybe I'm thinking of like the things
I've seen in the last year. I'm just incorporated in
this year. Yeah, I guess you are right. I haven't
really seen too much. Actually in twenty twenty six Wuthering Heights.
Speaker 4: It was well made, but anny new streaming movies even,
you know.
Speaker 1: And I thinking of the House man, I like that
as last year last year. Okay, yeah, then I haven't
seen anything this year.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. Gotta get on Roderick Hill, Mary,
I highly recommend. Check out Me and Tat's Nonspoils review.
It was a.
Speaker 1: Recommend for the theaters, like you should.
Speaker 4: I recommend for Extreme you have to. I was trying,
and I gotta get your opinion on something. We'll do
it after Spider Man because it will delay the cast
little bit, and I don't I'm already delay the cast
right now. But me and Emily were deciding, because the
kids are skiing well last time. This weekend, we're gonna
do a date day on Sunday. And I said, well,
should we go do just a date and some you know,
dinner lunch or something, or should we go do a movie?
And I think she's kind of leaned towards movie. And
then she's like, what were we gonna see? Because she
thought the drama was out. I'm like, well, I want
to see Project Kill Mary. She's like, oh, well, didn't
you just see that. I'm like yeah, And I'm like,
but this is probably that's gonna unsell you. We got
to see it on the Extreme though, We're gonna see it.
And then right away I think she's already checked outcause
she didn't like go on the west Side when we
don't have to, but gott to see on the extreme screen.
Speaker 1: It almost like hit the west Side, Emily, Come on,
it's just the.
Speaker 4: Bridge and the traffic and all that stuff. I disagree,
but I'm also not the driver. So she hit me
with the like, well don't you get a license, which
I hate because when we started dating she said she
loved to drive, but when it when it's just something
very inconvenient she doesn't want to do, she'll hit me
with that. And then it's like, well, I can't say
anything right. I don't have a license. I don't drive.
My uncle didn't drive. I don't like to drive. I'm
scared of two things in life, ladies, gentlemen. Driving snakes.
That's literally it. That's literally it. I can take on
anything else.
Speaker 1: Fuck snake with sharks, you just oh yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Listened to Dane Cook. Fuck that shark up, you know,
punch that shark in the eye. Not today's shark. But yeah,
definitely see it on the extreme screen, which imagine that's
where I'll have to see the spire Man for sure.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, well there you go. Shay is off Saturday,
and we we thought we had some things Saturday but
we are kind of planning some things to do that day.
We might end off with some projectail Mary you're thinking,
you're thinking right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I forgot. I'm filling with you guys on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Not Saturday.
Speaker 4: You said Sunday. There you go.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I reminded you.
Speaker 4: All Right, I'll have to talk to a lady about
that one.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: I'll text you guys later, but yeah, I won't move
to Saturday now. But yeah, so this trailerer you were,
you're what were the big hotst We're gonna bring up
the trail of course to break it down talking about
the about one star review already. I don't need to
get about your dating life.
Speaker 1: Well get there.
Speaker 4: I'll listen to the originals episode this week. But yeah,
what were some of the highest before we bring it
up there?
Speaker 1: I feel like just just just like the vibe overall, honestly,
like just just really like the song choice, really like
just seeing Peter down and out. I kind of was
expecting to see, like, you know, him on the outskirts
looking in on like Zendaa or I guess MJ's and
Ned's like life Like that was just a very obvious thing.
That I was assuming was gonna be a big part
of this movie, even though like kinda kind of didn't
want that to happen, but like there was just so
much like all Zen Days in this and you know
Ned's in this. It's like, Okay, yeah, they're definitely gonna
be a big part of this of this movie.
Speaker 4: This trailer was like, get used to it. Like this
trailer was like shut up, like to all of us
because I'm with you on that thing of like, I like,
if they're in the movie, fine for a scene or two,
but I really wanted a movie where, like in the
Perfect World, it's like Expierment five when they come back
right Experiment four, you see them maybe a little bit,
but the fact it's like he's living across the street
from him.
Speaker 1: Or maybe ross parties together.
Speaker 4: They're going to parties together. Yeah, they're looking at Spider Man.
So it's like, that's to me what this trailer feel like. Now,
I don't actually know. I feel like the because I
think a Zendia does have a smaller role. I think
it's like comparable size of Homecoming. I think in the
actual movie it will be smaller, and I think in
the advertisement they're doing that because obviously like nand and
m J are previous characters of the last trilogy, right,
so of course for the Ja and especially Zendia, right
they just got married. Zendia is always like it's so funy,
say is day is hot? Right now? I think Zendaa
has been hot for like I don't like two three years. Yeah,
like she's not, but like really like she's still just
been peaking. She's been like in super Nova still, like
I guess luckily she doesn't pick like any really bad
project or anything like that. But I feel like these
things are just to show, Heyjen, our audience deals people
you love, like, don't worry, they're in there. But also
I think was telling us geeks like, hey, if you
don't like the idea of Peter, not really uh it
just kind of distanced himself from him, like buckle up
because I was I thought this could happen in the movie.
The fact that they're alwayshowing the trailers and like, ah,
we're gonna get a lot of not a lot, but
we're gonna get more than I wanted of him, uh, interacting,
not even just seeing them. I'm find the stalking. It's
the little literal interacting with them. We see three separate
scenes of Dandeo Spider Man, then Peter at a party,
and then them talking to Peter. And again, this is
not actually knock as a trailer. I loved every single
single second of the trailer. I have to wait till
the movie. It just reminds me a lot of Iron
Man in the Homecoming trailers when we're all like, eh, like,
I hope he's not in a lot, right, so I
can't really judge it till we get there. But yeah,
it's definitely more than I was hoping to see already
in a trailer.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it's funny. I actually watched this trailer
and then immediately watched the Far from Home trailer trailer
that you and I together.
Speaker 4: Oh that right, that trail that show, Yeah, because I was.
Speaker 1: I was very upset after watching that trailer back in
the day, you know, on that episode, I was, I
was venting. I was super pissed off that they showed
the U MJ NOS about Spider Man reveal and like
it's it's really not to the same extent. I might
be completely overblown the whole situ here, but I was
like equally as upset when I saw the two of
them on the roof together in the scene, and I shit,
you not, Travis. It literally happens at the exact same
time in both trailers, like like where she's on the
bridge with Peter, and it's like it's like, well, it's
your spider man, It's obvious. It happens at two minutes
and four seconds in that trailer, and then this one
it happens in like two minutes and two seconds anything like.
It's yeah, that was the first thing I thought of.
And again it's such a minor thing. It's all like
they kiss or makeup or anything. They don't even say
anything in that scene. They're just like looking at each other.
But I just like had a flashback to that moment
and I just got pissed off. I was like, fuck you, Sony,
why do you even have to throw that in there?
And s pubs and the comment mentions that like they
might have just put all over scenes in this trailer
besides maybe one or two, and like, I agree, I
definitely believe that, yeah as well, Like I do agree
with that, But still I'm just upset that like they
just feel like they have to cram all of that
into this trailer, and like, what even is the story
in this in this adventure, Like I feel like it's
first trailer really at all? Right, it's just MJ. Like
I just gotta get MJ back, Like I feel.
Speaker 4: Like, well the trailer he never said that right.
Speaker 1: Down our throats right now.
Speaker 4: Again, I think if MJ was played, but because I
get all no offense to Jacob Babylon, like like if
it's just him, he didn't need to be in the trailer.
But with Zendeia, they gotta put Zenda in the trailer, right,
especially because there is no other bit, like I guess
there is, but we've argued this before, right of I
always said, okay, so we had Downy Sam Jackson, a
cumber Badger. I'd say those are like a tier type
of characters and actors right where hul can punish her.
I think for the mainstream, aren't that But two bees
make an a But I think it's good they don't
have that, like smoking, even though it's like it's still
spider Man and it's Tom Hall and a Spidermann. He's
got more popular, like people like him, more people are
very invested in him in Zendia. In like the dirt
sheets or Frock that's wrestling in tabloids and everything. Shit,
that's what they call him. The wrestling is dirt like
but like and the thing is like they've not done
or said anything where it's like, I don't know, they're
kind of an asshole. Like I think people really like
these two, right.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of Rock Canada.
Speaker 4: Please, Yeah, exactly, Tom, we're waiting.
Speaker 2: We will.
Speaker 4: We will drink these on the twenty for hours. Shom,
you'll get twenty you'll he's get a day promotion out
of us for free, for free. We don't ask for
anything in return, just send the don't even send a dollar,
just retweet the stream or just give us the bureaus.
But yeah, I think it's just because they have it's
like a newer crop of villains and characters, and because
he's been away for so long, I think they just
want to rely on okay, try and truthful Peter, Spiderman
and the friends. But I guess the two stories are
because he didn't say what's MJ back, but like, obviously
that's what he wants. But I think it's just like
dealing with that issue still. And then it's also whatever's
going on in his body. That's and I don't think
that is the main story, and main film doesn't even
show that. But with him going to Banner and he's
like having the web cocoon and they don't show but
I don't know why they don't even show like he's
falling and he's like and they like cut off to
show like he doesn't have organic webbing. It's like fucking
anyone can well, yeah, but like anyone can figure out
that now he has like shoots webs from his wrist
now like that the way they cut it's like just
because you haven't cut off, how else did it do,
like from his fucking eyes or something I don't know,
but which I thought about in Secret Wars. It's gonna
suck for Andrew now, like he's gonna be the only
Sperier man that doesn't have organic webbing now because Toby did,
and now Tom has it. Do you know what I'm
talking about? What's seeing him talking about? Maybe you don't
because you might just watch it once, Okay, because now
he's gonna shoot webs from his wrists now instead of
he has the machines. Yeah, and Andrew doesn't though, So
that's man that sucks.
Speaker 1: For him when we get our our solo Andrew project
with Hugh Jackman's Wolverine. Right, No, I.
Speaker 4: Still like Dylan's pitch the Henry Cavill Wolverine instead of
the Curis duo. But yeah, bring up that trailer.
Speaker 2: We'll go.
Speaker 4: We'll go see by scene. But I guess I think
that's what they're trying to show is Peters alone, depressed
and there's something happening to his body. I don't think
that's the I don't think it's a body horror movie.
I don't think that's the main problem. Like, I'm sure
there's gonna be a bad guy, he's gonna have to fight.
But wouldn't it be great if it's just like the substance.
You know, a lot of people have brought up that
obviously he turns into the human Spider different times. I
don't think they'll go that far. I think he could
have like a nightmare or see a shadow. I do
agree with multiple people and someone in our discord so
that it's like Sperimant is a pretty family friendly thing,
and like if you go two grotests, I what I
could see Kirkland is them giving him like the human
just double arms, because that's what happens toon before he
turns the Human Spire, he gets another set of arms.
I could see that because they could see GI then
that's not scary. But go in the full have you
ever seen that? You've seen the Human Spire before? Right
where he's just like it's like big tentacles and everything like, Yeah,
and that's where I feel like, I don't know, you'd
have to have like another really good protagonist to kind
of stop that. Obviously Punisher has stopped it before, so
there's a lot of signs of why they could do
that story. I don't think they're gonna do that though.
I don't think the end of this movie is John
Burton all the Hulk take it on the Human Spider,
you know. But maybe I'm wrong, So.
Speaker 1: I hope not.
Speaker 4: I don't really I'd be happy for John, you know,
closing the billion dollar movie they'd cut, so I was
bumped to we'll talk about the leak trailer. You'll hear
act shall pause after I'll tell you pause. But you
know classic experiment sitting upside down.
Speaker 1: I don't love the.
Speaker 4: Pause right there? Yeah, go back, go back to the buildings. Yeah,
So obviously, I'm not sure. Do you see the discord
today when I was showing the street view that Flash
was on and Punisher was on. Going the GV discord
and just scroll up a little bit, I will say
that this is definitely I guess that's one thing we
talked about. Just in general. I'm liking majority of the
color grading. I think sometimes there's a little too dark
and blue, but like majority of the color grading, like
you'll see it. It's kind of like maybe a couple
of hours ago, it's of Flash from No Way Home
and then Frank in the road. So that's where this
first shot of him on top of the building has
a bit of that Flash is. It's not as bad
to that level, but it is still like, uh, this
dude is on the fucking top of the building, which
is kind of annoying because it's just like like there's
Lily project that I've written have been like, Okay, we
gotta figure out how to get top building. We could
do it this way, this is this way, and it's
like they could literally Marvel doesn't have the money just
to show like this shot would be super easy. Just
get Tom up there for a fucking hour. He didn't,
and you don't have to Tom Cruism where he's like
he's like buckled up, just like have him in the
middle of the building, like get a couple of shots
like in Physical.
Speaker 1: Man, you know, asurance, I guess.
Speaker 4: But Tom's like Tom Cruise is doing it, you know,
like when they when there's something high from the climber,
something dangerous. You know what he's doing, just having fun man,
making movies, big adventure, having a great time.
Speaker 1: He is the way for permits. He just starts climbing.
No like film me, film me.
Speaker 4: So I agree that this is not the greyt shot,
but it's not at least that level of what flash
shot was in No Way Home. So I will say that.
Speaker 1: Overall it's close. I think it's close.
Speaker 4: Really Okay, Okay, I think visually though, there's multiple things
in this trailer that look a lot better than the
previous trilogy I think No Way Home was starting. I
think No Ao has some cool singular shots, like that
one shot of Peter when he's bloodied and crying and
he's in the rain and it's the big Jonah jameson
like telecast that ship's peak. But then I think, like
regular stuff can look like really like iffy. But I
think there's a lot of cool stuff in here, even
though it has a lot of like the mcu CGI
like glossy stuff of like there's no real person in
the shot. There's a couple of them, which it sucks
because a couple of those are like the comic book
cover tribute. So it's like really cool, but it looks
a little off kilter.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping they kind of polish that up, you know,
for the final project. And I'm sure like when you
see on the big screen like you're in that moment,
I'm sure it it maybe you will look a little
bit cleaner.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I forget about this test pas point they
had Florence p you jump off the building for Thunderbolts
only the two seconds that which in the movie. Yeah, yeah,
I just it's just so I get it posts and
they rush these things, but just it just look a
little a lot better. That's one thing. Kirk and I
would say, Project Heil Mary some of the best visuals
you're ever gonna see in like this decade, last Decade's
phenomenal looking movie. So I never had that once in
that movie where it's like, eh, everything and there's a
lot of space and crazy stuff going on. Everything looks
like real or like palatable. So yeah, I like it. Anyways.
Love in the suit though, looks great.
Speaker 1: Oh man, say that moment off the building and oh
that blue it looks so good, especially just like the
ripple of like the air on him.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so ready for this suit. You can hit
play because I'll talk over. Have you seen the meme
Apeal saying like this is what it's like to let
go of a ten out of ten, Battie, and it's
him like yeah, like you know, like high school years.
That's so yeah. Oh yeah, like this age shout out
to my great a crush you I lost big time.
So pause right there. So that music, no, I wouldn't
put it in that category. It was just one that
I kind of fumbled the bag on, you know. So
that laughter you you did, Yeah, the one that got
way are you talking about tom everything?
Speaker 1: Okay? So Darkest Hair though, I like it.
Speaker 2: I dig it.
Speaker 4: The first two beats to that that note, it sound
like they're you using the song from the leak trailer
New York. I Love you, but You're bringing me down.
I wish they fucking used that because that song just
fits so perfect to this trailer. I'm hoping it's another
trailer or in the movie, or they just got cheap
and they want to pay the license. But I think
that song that Jimly could have made that like a
top tenor. You didn't like the song hang.
Speaker 1: I didn't like the song. No, it was I don't
know too much New York. I love you whatever, but.
Speaker 4: You're bringing me down. There's a line like your your
your mayor has become like a millionaire king, like not
paying ba's and something like that. Like it's so oh.
Speaker 1: Man, I like this song choice a lot more.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm after this. Someone made a fan
edit of that with this trailer. I'm gonna bring that
up to We're gonna watch it after. I'm gonna see
if I'm convinced because you were watching on the trailer,
the the leaked Shaky Camo trailer.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that was a bad bad angle. Also
really discern everything that's going on.
Speaker 4: I know, Nam it's Peter Parker.
Speaker 1: He don't remember me, but looking like.
Speaker 5: We used to know each other.
Speaker 1: He's looking like what sorry, a drug dealer.
Speaker 4: He's looking like a drug deal People have been saying
he looks like Bully maguire.
Speaker 1: I've seen that. I don't again, like I there was
a phone on him there, he got a dining bag
of coke or something. He's just he's doing a deal here.
Speaker 4: I just wish unless he was cool, I wish they
just didn't make him wear of the wig anymore, you know,
like he's balding in my life, just loving ned be bald.
It's like like the young people are bald, Like I
think that's the trend, be like, but it's a young
people are bald all the time. They're balding. It's her
in age is like, he can just be bald. He
doesn't have to wear this fucking two bay.
Speaker 1: But whatever, maybe it's part of the character now it'll
be like a big reveal moment.
Speaker 4: Maybe like fuck, what movie is that? And I guess
it's probably multiple movies. So do you also this? Remember
this is I didn't hit place. I just heard you
don't remember me because it clutched for me. This is
clearly the diner she worked at. In no way home.
Speaker 1: Right, I would say, so yes?
Speaker 4: So is this so? I don't know to give this
guy the benefit of that or not. I don't know.
Is this that he go something happens in their life
and he's going their check on him, or is this
fucking guy punishing himself and going there like every time
he needs a fucking donut of coffee, he's going on
there the ladder, that fuck man psychopath. Not saying that
we haven't been there, but it's just like that's like
that's bad mental health mentality, Peter, just like to put
yourself through that constantly.
Speaker 1: And I can't even like give them the bene of
a doubt. It's like, oh, it's probably not that long
from the last movie, like ned here looks so different.
Confess we seen him last.
Speaker 4: They confirmed it four years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so fuck I mean four.
Speaker 4: Years he's going to fucking diner.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping there's an incident that like, Okay, I gotta
check on them because my boy just move on at
this point. Yeah, go fuck black Cat guy too, Peter Parker,
Tom Holland, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, especially when we get on the trailer, he's
fucking jacked.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: But again, my my point of Spider Man, he can't
go get tail like in a relationship because it's the
same thing. So I get hurt, right, that's where black
Cat's for. She's just down to.
Speaker 1: Like dock boots and yeah, you know, flinging and sling
it recreational intercourse.
Speaker 4: It's a thing, not Spider Man sides.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we used to know each other.
Speaker 1: That bruise on his thigh. Those the first thing I
noticed in this.
Speaker 4: From black Cat. Peter really like though, him washing the
suit and for some reason, when it closes, like zooms
up into the suit, it looks fucking good. I don't
know why. In the water again, it's just because like
how good the suit looks practical. But when they up,
I'm like, yeah, that's a fucking spirement out for right there.
Speaker 1: You know this fucking like crack pot here. This is
probably Oh yeah, he cooks up his dope.
Speaker 4: That's actually why he's at that diner. He's not there
to see them. He's just getting smacked from Ned. I
think was going to happen that right, So pause right there, Uh,
we won't stick on it too long. It's a Daredevil spoiler.
Keep going. Was to make everyone I forget. Actually pause
it's before I go because me and Brent were talking
about in the jew a chat and he was like,
I'm just really opening it to spoil anything, and Dared
I'm like, nah, like, now that's not gonna be a thing.
What do you want me to say? What it is?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 4: Okay, So everyone if you don't want an spoils for
Da dar Double season two. It's not a massive spoil,
but skip ahead. I'd say about a minute. Who gives
this key to the city Kirkland?
Speaker 1: Who is this chick?
Speaker 4: She's from Daredevil season one. You'll she'll you remember when
we get to season.
Speaker 2: Two, lawyer.
Speaker 1: It's not the lawyer friend, is it.
Speaker 4: No, it's like she's on fifteen. But who gives the
key to the city Kirkland? Two people usually the mayor,
the mayor, so and who's the mayor? Fisk is no
longer in the mayor and this is the woman that.
Speaker 1: With the rest of the class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Daredevil's season one, she's the one that was like,
remember the cop that got his head caved in, was like,
come on, turn with me, like work with me. But
she doesn't go with him, like she kind of she
wants to, but she kind of turns her back on him.
So this shows that she's gonna become mayor and Fisk
is done and they and they did. They specifically said
the showrunners while the promoing Daredevil, they said, oh yeah,
Sperman takes place after Daredevil. So I think it's when
we get to our predictions. I think it's all good
for Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 1: Now, you know, she could just be in the position
for him, you know, while he's taking care of business. Sure,
who knows. There could be explanations, but because I guess.
Speaker 4: I didn't say mayor, but I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: Interesting choice to show this in this trailer, like if
that is actually a spoiler, like yeah, necessary, Why do
we have to see him getting the key to the
city in this specific trailer?
Speaker 4: Well, because you know what, I hate to say it
to everybody, you know, walk with me, sure, and someone's
gonna counteract with me, right, They're gonna be make Travis
John Berthen's on this trailer. He was in Daredevil, He's
a punisher Penitation, He's in this movie. They still those
TV shows now in Disney. Plus, I don't think they're
really gonna have any bearing whatsoever, because why if Fisk
is just stroying ones like Disney not all, but I
think like these street level ones and maybe even going
for Disney plus ones because I think they've found out,
which we all kind of admit that not many people
watch both, right, the hardcores do, but the ga kind
of gave up after the first year, Like they watched WandaVision,
they watched Loki watch Winter Soldier and then guess what,
COVID ended and everyone got a fucking life, you know that,
and honestly too though the other shows that fold weren't
as good, right, so I think a lot of people
checked out. But I think that's the problem where now
with Daredevil when it's like, oh, but how are they
gonna explain this and this and weh're's spier man, They're not.
They're not gonna give a shit. They're not gonna They
might have a throwaway line, but I think those shows
are gonna operate a lot like Netflix used to be worried.
Now they're like, yeah, we're at the table, so maybe
you can do things where it's like, yeah, John Berthell
actually gets to be in a movie. But there's never
gonna be like a storyline from a show again, like
a big storyline that sets up that Again, there's too
many people that got fucked up from multiverse a madness.
How many people if you didn't watch WandaVision and you
watch that movie, you're like, she said, our kids, Like
what the fuck happened? Like like that's the thing, Like
I don't think anything big will ever happen those shows ever. Again.
That's like, so right now Mayor Fisk has New York
under like he has ice fucking running around right now,
and there right we're spider Man. Why spier Man not
having at Murdock. He's just going like slapping cheeks with
black Cat while this is all happened.
Speaker 1: What's going It's getting bruises, man.
Speaker 4: Geez, Peter, you wanna help us. I'm a little bit
he's doing.
Speaker 1: He's doing under understandable. You got to make up for
the void of m Jane is like, could.
Speaker 4: You imagine that everyone forgets you could pause one more
time a little runt here? Could you just imagine she
gets her memory back and she's like, yeah, I was
saying this guy but like I never slept with him there,
I just knew there's I didn't know you were around,
but I just couldn't be with anyone else. And then
it's just revealed he's just been like banging Felicia Hardy
and like Gwen Stacy for like just the whole time.
Yeah that we're not dating, we're just like and like
Gwen has a baby bump all the su Yeah no,
they're nothing like I've been waiting for you. But do
you know something about her hair in this trailer.
Speaker 1: Looks very dark, doesn't look red at all.
Speaker 4: There is tinges of red if if you look certain shots,
you see red. So it looks like there's kind of
like a red I don't know, kind of some some
touch ups or a line. I don't know what the
I don't know what women would call what would that call?
Like just some fringes, yeah, highlights? Yeah sure, but yeah,
there's definitely some red in this trailer. So it's not
full red, but I'll take it. I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why are these guys just cuddling on the couch
like this? What's going on here?
Speaker 4: Well, she's a boy friend, so yeah, I think they
lived together. Oh okay, yeah about me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't see the red.
Speaker 4: I believe you it's gonna happen again. They'll come up again.
I thought you were buying the MJ ned thing. Just
sit there because Taylor. He's on this cast, but he
got fooled by an AI image today. He saw someone.
Speaker 1: Happens to the best of us. Kate Taylor, we've all
been there.
Speaker 4: It's never happened to me on air. So I'll pull
it up here, Taylor. Someone replaced the boyfriend with Ned.
And he's like, I didn't even notice that.
Speaker 1: It's not even a good edit.
Speaker 4: No, it's not even good. Like look at Ned. That
ain't Ned. That ain't fucking Ned right there?
Speaker 1: This arm is also like ginormous in that image. His
forearm is yeah, it is is bigger than his bicep.
It's crazy.
Speaker 4: But no, I don't think they're I don't think they're
knocking boots. So just friends again. Remember they're still just friends.
They just don't remember Peter Parker. They didn't get mine white.
They're still friends again. And we'll talk about Ned and
mj oh Okay, yeah, and well I'll point out Lair
on the trailer. They have a on one of their
rooms here. They have a wall of all Spider Man stuff,
like trying to find out who he is, No, trying
to find who he is, I think because remember they
still had all these interactions with Spider Man. They've just
forgotten Peter Parker because you know why the spell thing,
they didn't think it through. It's fucking dumb. It's dumb
in my opinion. So it's it's so flawed when you
break it down and you're like, well, how does this work?
And like what have all the yearbook like when they
see this guy and like what about like the same thing?
Like okay, doesn't happy Hogan Remember she had a niece
or he had he had a nephew, or she had
a nephew. You know, like it just yeah, but magic,
you know, right, movie magic. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't want us to think about that.
Speaker 4: Just just just focus, just consume and be happy.
Speaker 1: It's just the case because I'm not just Peter Parker.
Speaker 4: Spider Flipp you though, he's looking very very glossy there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Frank. Frank is so far awesome. He's so awesome,
especially you know, breaking the fourth wall. You know we're
going through I just going through season two. I finished
season two of the Retro or Punish Your Show, and
then we did like the movie versions. God, I just
love John Berthal's Punisher.
Speaker 4: It really makes you appreciate him, right, really.
Speaker 1: Really yeah, just the voice, the attitude and no no
play old big playtle thing waiting.
Speaker 4: For people that don't know that's Frank Cat the audio listeners,
it's Frank Castle is all longer. He's in a trap
and how he gets out of it. They're about to
kill his friend and heamhage the way, Yeah I got
something to say. And then he breaks out him and
beats him. It's the most nonshalt like dumb, like why
would they check on him? Again? Check out the punish
of retro. It's great there, but yeah, birth all is
even just that like stop your whimper like that feels
like from the animated series Again. I do people to
prepare themselves because I think they're gonna like lessen him
a little bit. But I'm okay with that, you know,
like you can't I agree?
Speaker 1: I yeah, I agree. I think like early thoughts, like
when when this was first spoken about that he was
going to be a part of it, It's like, okay,
like how is it gonna actually go? But I'm I'm
totally fine with that. I feel like this trailer is
a good like representation of kind of what to expect.
How he's like about to drop an f bomb and
then spite he just like like mutes his mouth right there,
like like it's just a good like mixing of like
the very family friendly Peter Parker with like the brutality
that is Frank Castle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even in this truck, he's like kind of
like play the clip, he's kinda like smiling when he
says this, you know.
Speaker 1: Like I do love the blady shoots his gun and
like on normal villains like that just like that like okay, yeah,
don't work anymore, and then Frank's gone though. It just
blows it right off.
Speaker 4: Yah suit you So.
Speaker 1: You're not equipment like Leon if that's what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yet not yet. That's he seems to be more jovial punisher.
So I wonder in the in the special, Yeah, so
we'll see. I get I'm okay at that. Just people
need to get ready. I think there's gonna be a
lot of people that are like, oh my pusher.
Speaker 2: So so.
Speaker 4: When do you think a pause after the motherfucker or
that's fine there? I wonder if they're going to establish
when how long they've known each other Not a big deal,
but obviously it's been four years. So I guess they've
just kind of mumped into each other at some point.
I guess I'm also just curious to why, because other
than in born again when they had to work together, right,
lots of times when Dared punsher square is off, it's like, oh,
things for helping, But Matt's still gonna lock him up, right,
He's like, you gotta go, you go to prison. I'm wondering.
I guess it's just because there's big danger happening right now.
I wonder where Spider Man's stance is on this, Like
if he had time, would he throw Frank to the
police or is he just find with Frank Murkin people
you know? And I wonder if the over answer that.
Speaker 1: Peter, Well, Peter doesn't do anything in this instance, right,
just fucks off and tells you, yeah home.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm but I'm hoping there's maybe like something happening
where he can't arrest him, like there's a bomb or
like an attack happening where it's like, oh, I could
arrest Frank, but if I don't, hundreds of people might
die right that Because he's in a rush when he's
getting out of here, because like what he's just gonna
be like go home, Frank and the Frank just standing
in the middle of the street, like by him, He's
just leaving him by himself.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, Yeah, I'm curious to see how
that introduction goes or yeah, like would they be there
like bold and not even really show that like they
just know each other.
Speaker 4: They could do that. I could see that. And honestly though,
like from the interaction, like I'm just pointing these things out,
I love the interaction. I'm very excited for this dynamic.
It's just little things that I will that those are
type of details that'll get it from like you know,
maybe like a nine nine too, like a ten. I'm like, okay,
you fill in the stuff. Like again, I think it's
a valid question. Would would Peter Parker if it's just
him and Frank in a room? Because I think for
the most time, if it's just Frank, he'll fuck him up.
Would he have him arrested? I don't know. I would
like to, And I'm not saying there's a right or wrong.
I would just like to know Tom All and Spider Man,
like how does he feel in that issue? How does
he feel about And I guess that's maybe we're all
playing with Hulk, right, because if we hear Hulk breaks
out and maybe Frank's solution is to kill him, That's
where hopefully that plays into it. So I just want
that answer to like how does Spider Man literally just
feel about the Punisher? Not you know Frank cast is,
Like how does he feel about the guy who instead
of arresting a mob boss or a criminal, he just
blows his head away?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: How does he feel?
Speaker 1: And like I'm wondering, like how much he's even aware
of the Punisher, Like does he know all about his
history and how brutal of you know, just his origin,
like Frank Castle in this universe should be it should
be a pretty like renowned story, right, family just murdered
in front of him.
Speaker 4: In season one, Remember they thought he was dead and
came back and that was a big deal. So they
should know and they should they could cut touch on
that trauma, right, Like, That's where I feel like they
I'm giving them credit that hopefully they do it. I
feel like that's why Punisher is in here. Not only
is he raging Bowl, but both these characters have lost everything, right,
and then you get to see how they deal with
it separately. I don't think Frank's simma be at the
end like fucking smile and then going to hang out
with Could you imagine the movie just ends with Peter MJ.
Ned and just Punish like they're watching some fucking movie
or so they're watching.
Speaker 1: Shoot each other with water guns or something. They have
him like a pool party.
Speaker 4: Frank comes out of the fucking big like spasooka water
gun like houndaball, but he's the second Ned does a cannibal.
He like gets shell shock, PTS what I and He's like,
He's like, no, Ned, and just cut. Imagine the movie
ends cutting to black with Punisher having Ned in a
choke hoold and Peter's way, no Frank, and then cut
to black and we don't know what happens for like
six years.
Speaker 1: Alright, that would be insane.
Speaker 2: That's continue to love this go.
Speaker 4: I'm excited though. I'm happy John's gonna big movie because
sometimes Spider Man has.
Speaker 5: To do the whole.
Speaker 4: Okay, if you go back a little bit, it might
be in another shot. Go back, dude, like the small
It's okay, go back a little bit. When he just
before he enters that room, I'll tell you when hipause
a ready, guns, oh, let him go walk a little more.
I's wrong, They're right there, So I think it happens
later on in the room. But behind him that you
see that wall with the light and papers on it,
that's supposed to be they have Viider Man. They have
a bunch of Spiderman magazines and stuff like that. So
I think what's happened is they have all these memories
of helping Spider Man, being with Spiderman. But that's where
I hope with the spell. I hope it's not just
like an insta like what was happening with Happy Hogan
of like I really like Dent Man. She did a
lot of good and he didn't even remember he had nephew, right.
I would love it if they were like, we remember
like interacting with Spider Man, but a lot of it
does not make any sense, And that would actually make
me be invested them trying to find out. Right if
they're like, yeah, this guy like he was around for
all fucking school whatnot? Like even if NED was like
I remember helping on missions, why is this guy not
around anymore? So I kind of hope they're like, something's
off with our memory and has to do a Spider Man.
Even if they even she's like a little bit of
that sense, I would enjoy that because it's just a
good bridge instead of just Okay, Ned's obsessed with Spider Man. Cool,
we've been there before, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I think that would make me personally
a lot more in the overall, just like getting them
back because like we all, we all thought they were
gonna go in that direction. Anyways, it's like, Okay, well
they don't remember Spider Man, Well they're gonna like you know,
like like like it's were bringing her back. Yeah, she's
definitely gonna know. But if they do that, you know
in a way that I'm actually enjoying it. I feel
like I have a feeling I'll probably pass this movie
no matter what, just because I'm a big spidy head. Yeah,
I'll be sold on it. Frank's in there, so like,
no matter what, it's probably like a guaranteed eight regardless
of what happens. But uh, I, like you said earlier
about just like going from a nine point five to ten,
like those little things can definitely make make the difference.
Speaker 4: And speaking and go next club because big moment here,
I think sometimes.
Speaker 1: Look at that red hair. That's not red at all.
You're it's red lunch.
Speaker 4: You're watching a bad quality there's red highlights in it.
Speaker 1: Chat back me on I'm on ten ADPA, but.
Speaker 4: Your computer's broken. You took you as I hope. So
there's tinges of red.
Speaker 1: They got some booze here. This is crazy.
Speaker 4: They around a big party. Yeah. Mj is also wearing
an outfit that's very similar to the first appearance of
Mary Jane Watson the combook. So you're you're it's your
lucky day Tiger, just the jackpot. So, but there's some
red pilots in there. I'm telling you. They're light, but
they're in there. Your man has to do the hard
thing even if it breaks. Okay, so pause here.
Speaker 1: That's not read at all.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: That doesn't look red, and I'll give you that in
something well like in these movies are in the comics.
Speaker 1: Quite down as bubbs. We're not asking me.
Speaker 4: I think Kirk colorblind.
Speaker 1: You just agreed that that this one doesn't look red.
Speaker 4: Not this one, but he saw the red earlier. We
don't know his character's name, so we don't know if
he's from the comics or not. There's like a boyfriend
MJ had recently named Paul everyone fucking hated. You know,
I make these jokes and they are just jokes. But man,
if these two are like again, it's k two things
from the character of Peter Parker. He's a say too,
Matt satamatic. What is it satomatistic? Right, satamatic?
Speaker 1: What are you trying to say?
Speaker 4: Satumatchistic? I think that's how it is, just someone that
enjoys pain. If he is wait, no, it's it's a
thing satam anachistic. So either search it up.
Speaker 1: Or I'm gonna get it.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you if because at one point in the
trailer she said, oh, like our neighbor, if if he's
living even you know, let's say three doors down, shut
the three doors down. You got the word there, satamnachistic,
Right did I get that time?
Speaker 1: Sat amanachistic, sato man sado mass achism. There you go, sadism,
sexual arousal from inflicting pain and mess.
Speaker 4: So so for short, I'm so for sure, I'm just
gonna say he's a he's an sm right.
Speaker 1: There you go. That's the origin of SMM.
Speaker 4: Oh is it okay? So he's am sm is SMM
because if he is three doors down and he is,
he doesn't remember him, and I'm gonna say they're in college,
So I'm gonna say in college that they're knocking boots,
they're doing some dping. So he like he's just getting
back from crime fighting. And then with his spiders, like
he is enhanced, hearing, enhance all that stuff. He's gonna
be trying to go to bed and he'sa MJ. He's
hearing MJ. Maybe Paul.
Speaker 1: That's I'm hoping. He's making his own noises with Felicia Hardy,
like we're saying he won't be equal equal noise.
Speaker 4: He won't because he's pathetic.
Speaker 2: He's been hearing that.
Speaker 4: He's gonna hear the the this conumn going on. He's
gonna hear breaking, he's gonna hear squishing, he's gonna hear
hair pulling, he's gonna hear It's different if they're just
making if they're together, but if he is legitimately their
neighbor and they like live on the same war, this
man is fucking punishing out himself to non degree. Now
does that.
Speaker 1: Four years four years of this?
Speaker 4: Yeah? And does that fit into the Tom Hall narrative
of like why is Tom holl never fucking like getting
like why is he not doing anything big? Like you
see Challengers, you see every clip I see of the
or in April the drama, the movie, there's that clip
of her fucking Ryan the hell out of our passing,
and then you get now this guy in Spider Man.
So now literally you have the scene here where Tom
Hollands in a party scene and I'm not sure if
they're gonna kiss here, but I think we're gonna watch
a move where Tom Holmes just watching this man kiss
his wife. Now if that's fine, that's fine. I'm not
trying to be a tear thing. They're actors, they get it,
but like it feels a little one sided. That's why
it's kind of like why can't Tom hall hang get
like some sort of black Cat or a Spider Gwen
going on here? You know. So I just laugh though,
like just like just because I actually give no shits
about on meming because of the meme of Tom Holland's
a strong man, the fact they literally did that in
this movie, and him watching his wife like about to
mago another dude, they literally did that in this movie.
So it's funny. But yeah, I wonder because this head
graves like they could easily just be flirting, right, they
might not even be like a couple yet or anything.
So I kind of hope that's the route. I don't
need him to be the boyfriend because I feel like
that's like, if she remembers, I don't need a break
up with him. Just make him a flirtation guy. Maybe
he's a charming, cute guy that's you know, getting closer
to MJ. And that really puts in Peter's head of like,
oh fuck, like she's actually gonna move on now, you know.
So because what have they've been dating for four years?
What if they've been dating for four years? She gets
her memory back, like.
Speaker 1: You don't even know her for four years?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's no right, he has no right.
Speaker 1: That's no right. I agree.
Speaker 5: It's Peter Parker's heart. What is happening.
Speaker 4: It's looking bad the net.
Speaker 1: After hearing, after hearing the night the nightmares for four years.
Speaker 4: That's why he's going to net. He's getting drugs to
drown it out, just to get you know whatever. So yeah, exactly,
he's coming. I suppose we were talking about he's hearing
come to me more. Kevin David was interesting. He says, trailers, okay,
international audience will push the film to make seven nine
hundred million. I think seven hundred guarantee. I maybe I'm wrong.
I think this is a billion guaranteed, Devin. I put
your names there again, they're Kevin. The only reason is
just because it's been five years since Snoway Home. I
think Zendaea is bigger. I think Tom, even though he's
not done much more like I think people just it's
not as bigger. I think people genuinely miss Spider Man
and they missed Tom Holme being Spider Man. I think
it would be different if he was an other crossover movies,
like if there was an Avengers or something like that.
But he's literally been gone since December twenty twenty one
for Spider Man. So I actually think unless it's bad reviewed,
I actually think it. I'm not gonna say easy bill,
but I'm gonna say an easy bill. I'm gonna throw
a T T Y And they're like, I think even
if it's just like a one point, because let me
look and see what the other ones made while you're
talking there, but yeah, what do you think about it?
Do you think this is after we've seen a first trailer?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: Are you thinking it's a billion?
Speaker 1: I think so. I agree with your points. I think
there's been enough time since the last Spidey and like
that's the Mount Rushmore MCU characters and we only have
so many of those.
Speaker 4: Did you say he's one of ver he is?
Speaker 1: He's one of.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think it is. I'm like, well, no, his
name is not iron Man, as much as I don't like.
Speaker 1: Iron Yeah, I don't know, but well, I was gonna say,
like he's one of them, and he's one of the
only ones that's remaining, but not really because we're getting
Downy back, We're getting Evan's back, not Rushmore's going nowhere,
but still Spidey. All the other reasons that we've already
brought up, like the more family or oriented type nature
of the character, I feel like it ropes in just
a whole wider range of audience. And you know, Zendia
is super super hot right now, but like also Tom Holland,
he's still he's still fantastic and people still love like
the just the boyish charm that I think he brings
to the character.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like to me, This is where I pushed back, like,
even I know it was a big deal because of
the MCU being hot when he came in, But like Homecoming,
the first one made eight hundred and seventy eight million dollars,
and to me, like, I think this one has more
hype than that in my opinion, And then Far from
Home made one point one billion, and then knowing Homemade
one point nine obviously there's a big buffer there because
of all the returning characters, right, but like that Far
From Home number, like even if it made like one
point zero three billion, like I think it's I think
the Far From Home number is that's the number, looking
even though I would if I were to take the
over and under, I would say it'd make more than
one point one billion, Like I don't know. Minecraft almost
made a billion, Stitch made a billion, like I think
people will. And it's in the summer too. I think
that will be the movie that eats up a lot,
Like I think a one point one billion is a
lock for me. Yeah, there you go, all right, so
we get some him transforming here, Oh those nipples that
looking good? Uh sure? I well, no, you keep going.
Speaker 1: So he has he has like the Night tear and
then this is him waking up, which.
Speaker 4: Is weird because I guess he must have been in
his suit because he goes use his webshooters and they're
not there, but they kept his boxers on, so good
for him. But yeah, this is nighttairs and I think
he's having his mutation. But this is the cutaway. Watched
the a pause here, Okay, so like yeah and you
hear yeah, you hear it, so like why why not
just show it them?
Speaker 2: Just show it?
Speaker 4: Like pan up, like well, like you gave it away,
you gave the chrick away.
Speaker 1: They like, als, would he stop? Yeah, you're so right? Yeah,
like unless unless another Spidy character webs him.
Speaker 4: I guess nick Age from Spider or what's up Bader?
But like, uh, Summan, Mike, I don't agree with this,
he says. I think there's a chance this makes more
than Doomsday. I would not take that, or I would
take Mike, if you want to make that pizza bet,
I would make that pizza bet that dooms Day. I
know Dune's out, but I think with Doomsday with all
his characters coming back and the Christmas month, like you
never know, Like I don't think it's impossible, but I
think it's close to impossible. Kirkham, are you on that?
Do you think it could make more than Doomsday?
Speaker 1: Uh? I think he could be close, but I I
don't think so. I think I think Doomsday still takes
it all right.
Speaker 4: Continue, Oh and Tom's looking at a fucking huge movie.
He looking good on your boy, kidding those bureaus. And
that's also the clean body too. He's kind of all
that alcohol, I know, but yeah, good on man, he's
looking looking good. It's been gv big club in the
font and the collar. Excuse me, doctor Banner, I need
your health.
Speaker 1: What did you say your name was?
Speaker 4: What did you say your name was? Excuse me, doctor Banner?
Speaker 2: Yes? You y s U? Yeah?
Speaker 4: That I don't know, but makes sense for him to
go to uh Banner. You know, guy that's constantly had
problems with his body and mutating and stuff. So I
think that's a good tie in there.
Speaker 1: On.
Speaker 4: It's not a web shooter, no you remember that is?
Speaker 1: I don't remember? Does it help him turn.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and Andrews and Seahawk he made a device
where he can keep him with that device staying on. Yeah,
and Frank's gonna fucking I need your health. Freak it
that it does. That looks like a fake. He looks
very video gaming and he's like, Hi, hell, can I
help you? He looks like a CGI person.
Speaker 1: There totally the Avengers game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, is mutating.
Speaker 4: Like look at him there this go back his shoulders. Man,
he's working hard. So yeah, look he's he's got the
middle of it too. He's looking in the try it
the triceps back there. Boom, Okay, that's fair, Mike, I
everyone will. I jumped to Michael, but he said a
chance like fifteen percent. You know what, that's fair. That
that's fair. I would give you that because like there's
always a chance that doom really fucks it up. Like
let's say, and I've said this before. I think we
said this last week. I think dooms they could be
like a ten to ten. It could also be a
two out of ten. It could be a movie that
word of like word of mouth spreads, it's like, oh
these movies, this adventure movie really stinks, you know, So
I'll take you that. You know, there's a chance, So
there you go, and it's mutating.
Speaker 5: Ituld be enormously dangerous.
Speaker 2: Spiders have three life.
Speaker 4: I love that you have him visiting. That's cool if
you want to go back to that chairs that's supposedly saved.
Speaker 2: Sink when between cycles, no hitting, go back a chance again,
despite of vulnerable spiders have three life cycles.
Speaker 4: Right there, it is either Sadie Sink or it might
be Peter because he is into the same amnarchistic No,
because he's in the same anarchistic He's just in there
and he's watching footage of that.
Speaker 1: He traps himself in this room clockwork.
Speaker 4: Or no, he's reliving it. He's like Memento. He just
doesn't go back a little bit too. There's this shot
of Peter with the webs is clearly go back a
little bit more, a little more. This is clearly him
trying to hold onto the Hulk, like watch the animation
of it, so him play now, yeah, we're good here,
thank you.
Speaker 5: If DNA is mutating, it would be enormously dangerous.
Speaker 4: See yeah, well I think shot himself. No, that's what
they're making a look. No, I think that's what they're
making it look like. I think he's holding onto Hulk
jumps because if he sling shots himself. Kirkland, he's been
Spider Man for like a decade. Why is he going
through the fucking water barrel?
Speaker 1: Like he's not used to his new natural webshooters.
Speaker 4: Can you go back? Can you go back? And let's
hear the dialogue that precedes the scene as like the
four shadow, Yeah right here, Yeah.
Speaker 2: If DNA is mutating, it could be enormously dangerous.
Speaker 4: And they cut this. Come on, come on, yeah, enormously dangerous,
enormously dangerous.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's kind of Hulk like sound of animations.
Speaker 4: Can you Yeah, I'm telling yeah, I like the thing.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, is it like confirmed what Sadi you
think is?
Speaker 4: Okay, she's Jane Gray, but it's not confirmed. I think
she I agree with the reports.
Speaker 1: Seems like a Jean Gray type prison.
Speaker 4: Or Peter Parker right now, I got those two. Oh
you're just cut off your powers. No, they just they
just keep me on a chair so I can watch
some stuff. But yeah, like it's this like technically, people
point out the scene the next thing you're gonna play
where it's her jumping bodies. They're like, that's not really
a Jean Green thing, because like, why wouldn't she just
control one person? She would have to like jump from
one body to another. But it's like, I don't know,
it's the fucking to you. They're doing their own thing
like the same way, Like it's movie. That's an option.
So when I'm not gonna take that.
Speaker 2: I can't leave despite a vulnerable the threats.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the people have been like Jane Gray doesn't do
this and like control sure, but I can't even see stay.
So there's Peter watching his footage. I don't know if
it is she's the way she's moving doesn't feel like
Sadie Sink to me. The height matches up and not
the way she's moving. I agree like that it's a
great show. To Keith David, I agree with people that
said that it's probably just like him watching a YouTube
video or something. But man, I saw a great fan
cast and like, could you imagine if he was this
world super Kirk Connors. I was like, fuck, yeah, man,
Keith Davis, Kirk Connors would be great. But I don't
think we're getting that. But yeah, Keith David, amazing guy.
Speaker 5: Stay out of my way.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, man, scorpions looking good now. Of course I'd
like a helmet on the guy, but that's okay. I'm
lik in that outfit.
Speaker 1: Maybe get a helmet, right, Like maybe it's just for dialogue,
maybe like or something.
Speaker 4: He's one of those fucking nanotech ones. So I'm hoping
maybe a little bit more green. I'd like to brighten
up a little bit, but like, overall, the suit looks
good and you and may have talked about this. I'm
a sucker for scorp I have added to our our list, yeh, Kirkham.
But I thought for our bread and butter, we should
do a ranking of Spider Man villains, like make the
tier list. We should do that because I feel like we,
you and I share something like on Scorpion Rhino, Like
some of these goons that get a lot don't get
a lot of love. Scorpion of me is like, sure,
he's a C tier villain, but he's like an A
tier in my heart, you know, Like I fucking love
the Scorpion.
Speaker 1: So I think his stalks on the rise as well,
especially with the new version that we've seen with friendly
neighborhood Spider Man.
Speaker 4: I just hope they don't shocker him in this movie,
you know, like everyone.
Speaker 1: Home did that in Homecoming.
Speaker 4: That's what I mean. Yeah, And I hope they don't
do this scorny Scorpion. Like, I'm not saying he has
to be the main Green Goblin villain, but I hope
he's not. Just kind of like a joke and he
gets taken out one or two fights, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like let's let's buff up our street film because
he has so many of them, and let's make them
like actually entertaining, Like let's make them reoccurring. You know, well, yeah,
next time Spider Man.
Speaker 4: And if anyone's like, oh, it's just Scorpion, and then
it's like it's a fucking fake world. Make us so stronger,
make it so stronger than Spider Man. You know, like
you you back in the day you had the single
a pencil, you could put anything on the fucking page,
you know. So, same thing with the Geen Gray thing,
Like Geen Crays never hopped minds like this.
Speaker 1: So it's like, what this movie's gonna fail.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see says I've seen people theorizing that it's
the Possession person talking to the scorp when he talks. Okay,
go back, let's see what he says. Actually, see the
line's up, I'm fucking.
Speaker 5: Stay out of my way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it could be that's a very like generic thing though,
but like it could.
Speaker 5: Be stay out of my way.
Speaker 4: This is the most like looking of the old trail
chief that the song going on, and that shot of
him and MJ's not great either. This stuff, yeah, this
is some monot stuff kid, right, Yeah, there's some more flash.
Oh you see the red now, eh, so what you're
talking about?
Speaker 1: No, it's not red.
Speaker 4: Okay, it is red though, but yeah, right, that background
not looking good, even though it looks like the clock
tire that Emma Stone died at. So maybe look out there,
Spider Man. But yeah, there's just something like that background.
We need a couple more shades done on it. But
you know, they got rush these movies out, so we
might not get that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so two minutes and four seconds and in
the other two minutes and two seconds.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 4: They love it. They love some day at that mark
they do.
Speaker 1: It's such a minor scene, but man, it still just
irks me. I'm curious if I'm the only one that
kind of feels that. I feel like I'm just still
so shaking up from that Far from Home trailer and
this just reminds me of it.
Speaker 4: I think I agree with you too, because I Espo
said earlier. It could be true, right, because these could
be all scenes minus one or two. But I really wish,
like already I'm not like loving that Peter's interact with them,
but okay, you're gonna do that there in the movie. Cool,
and they have one scene maybe awkward. Fine, the fact
that she's interacting with Spider Man again, it's like it
just also reminds me of just like with every third
act of the Token movie is oh, someone canaps MJ,
you know, and that's where it's like, like, why can't
it just be her and Peter or the guy that
they don't know, you know, Like I don't know. We'll
see again, We'll see how it is. This could be
a fucking flashback though, right easily, and our minds could
be like a night that they were. I know it's not,
but I'm just saying, or maybe it's a dream sequence.
So I'm just saying, like, maybe it's something I don't know,
but yeah, I agree, jan is.
Speaker 1: Gonna be possessing her body here and she's just gonna
strangle Peter and throw them off the building.
Speaker 4: This us for so long, could you imagine? Yeah, And
I know some people are gonna be like, oh, well,
didn't you think they're gonna interact? Yeah, if I did
pizza bet, yeah, sure, but I don't want to know it.
I do the same thing like with the from I
didn't want to know it. You know, there's some sports
that don't bug me. Like that's what when certain things
don't bug me, it's like knowing a characters in a
movie or maybe a step piece, but specifics of interactions
or character arcs, that's the stuff I don't like to know.
I like to know the journey. If you're like, oh,
fuck it if I learned that Geen Gray, Like, let's say,
if I sat down with fucking Tom holl And he's like,
here's your bureaus and I say, who say the sync planings?
He says, Jean Gray, that's not gonna buget ruin it
for me, you know why? Because I don't know what
the script is. It could be great or it could
be shit. I don't really know, right, So that's what's
But with this, it's okay, now I know they interact
where I would have liked that. It's like, oh, inspiming,
gonna see her and maybe it's not a big deal again,
but for me, it's like I didn't need I don't
think this trail needed that, you know, so.
Speaker 1: It definitely didn't. And it's the same thing with a
Far From Home one, like and this one's such a
lesser degree, but I feel like it's still the same
thing that like they're just robbing us from seeing that
scene for the first time on the big screen, like
just like the tension of the moment, like especially you know,
like let's play along and just be like, Okay, yeah,
it's been five years or four years since since like
they've actually known each other. We're going along with the adventure.
What's gonna happen? Are they gonna find out? And like
we're going along on that adventure throughout the whole movie,
and then it leads up to this scene that we
haven't seen yet. It's like, holy fuck, what's gonna happen?
Like like like is it gonna be revealed? It just
I'm sure it'll still hit well, I'm sure I'm still
gonna love this movie. I might be in tears in
this scene, who knows, but I'm just at this moment,
screw you, Sony and your terrible trailers. It's pissed me off.
Speaker 4: And you know what this is. This might be a
hard reading. Maybe you disagree with me, but I'm gonna
throw a t t Y on this right now. With
his body the way it looks and with her face.
This is after she's found out he's Spider Man again,
That's what I'm gonna say right now, there's no way
for us to know that, but with their body language
in this scene, because if Spider Man just saves her,
it's like, oh, thanks, Spider Man, I guess she could
be asked like, hey, where are you? We have all
these memories, so it could be that. So it could
be what I talked about before, where maybe they they
know of Spider Man, Hey why did you? Like we
have all these memories of you, but we don't know
who you are, Like what the fuck does that mean?
So maybe it's that. But with their body language, something
emotionals out in here, So I could even see this
being the thing. And maybe it's just the classic thing
where it's like, oh, like you got my memory, but
like we still can't be together. I don't know that.
I'm just gonna throw a tt y and say this
happens after and we'll look back on and be like
see motherfuckers. But you know that's okay, there you go.
Speaker 1: I agree, and for those Spiders who make it through,
it amounts to a kind of fun.
Speaker 4: Back the posters, So what do you say?
Speaker 1: There's the posters.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are all the covers and everything like that.
Do you think this is people are theorizing that's during what.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, this looks so bad, Like this could
look so much better.
Speaker 4: It's tough because it looks I'm have two minds. It's
great because I appreciate directors and its like, let this
is the very first image of Spider Man, right, that cover,
it's the first cover of Spider Man. So I appreciate
that they are doing that. It's crazy how no one's
actually really done that yet in the fucking movies. Just
recreate this image? Right? The image looks what people? I
agree with? It looks like the PS five game. Right,
it looks like a loading screen for the PS five game.
So I guess I'm of two minds. Vision doesn't look
the greatest, but I appreciate them going for it. So
on the whole site it's a win. Do you I
think this is happening during the Thunderbolts ending his people said,
with a gray and the smoke. That's not my theory.
I heard other people saying, I think it could be true,
but also it could just be a big gloomy But
even the guy, like his composition on the screen just
does not look like he's there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that theory, like it, Yeah, if
he's saving people somewhat of an attempt to like like
you know, combine the adventures, I guess yeah, because.
Speaker 4: It happened New York, right, So again, where the fuck
is Spider Man?
Speaker 1: I think it's like fifty to fifty. I don't know.
I don't feel strong for or against. But the city
does look pretty fucking miserable here. But yeah, it's just
New York on normal day.
Speaker 4: It's something when I was there was fuck man, I'm
a New York fan. Sorry, old cool yep.
Speaker 1: I love this, like like this image of him, like
doing this pose I've always loved. But again, like it
just I.
Speaker 4: Don't know, something's off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's like a goon or like it's like
an actual care.
Speaker 4: I think he's I think he is. I think he
is just Boomerang. I think that's who he is. I
think because I think these are just gonna be a
montage when he's narrating what he's been up to the
four years. I think they're just gonna show a bunch
of him kicking an ass. Yeah, which is fine.
Speaker 2: Cool?
Speaker 4: Do that that's tarantula that he's fighting the tarantula. Yeah,
that's also a comic book cover right there, that exact image.
There you go. But again though, it does not look
like him and Tranceller are there together, Like, it does
not look like his hand is actually stopping his hand.
Speaker 1: He's lost his best buddy. This guy is like dead
on the ground. He's just taking his like. He's not
even aiming a tarantula here. He's even a Peter Parker
if anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, poor guy.
Speaker 1: You're correct, though it's a pretty poor image.
Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 4: And people did point out that apparently the Lee trailer.
I had to I didn't look more into it. But
as be say, as I've seen other people that this
scene or not this scene, I'll point out after anyways,
continue So.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, paula trades man, you drink the
blue stuff?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if this one, I don't want to
get hyped and believe what people think. But like, I
think it's more drinking the black stuff. And like I
wouldn't mind because I guess you could just say he
got bit and he just eventually kept evolving, right, I
wouldn't mind if the Simulte attached to him and that's
what made him have organic webbing. Is it kind of like,
you know, the Simulte took something from him the spire
powers a gen but kind of gave something him with
the organic web shooters, you know. And because I don't
know why else's eyes would be black here, I guess
it could also be that person taking over them, right,
and I guarantee that's probably it. Like this could be
maybe Jean Gray when she goes in their mind, their
eyes turned black. But I've seen some people throw out
the Simulte thing. Wouldn't hate it, And that could also
be a good reason of Hey, why is my body changing? Well,
there's a fucking alien in you, dude, Like, so I
could buy it. So I'm I'm very I think I am
more like sixty forty against it, but I could see it.
Speaker 1: I think I'm like against it. Uh, it just seems
like a big thing to throw into this this project,
but I don't know. Maybe it could be done tactfully,
but not.
Speaker 4: If your fights Frank in the finale, man, you know
Frank possessed, Yeah, possessing day versus black Suit Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Yeah nobody, right, Yeah, I feel like that would be
a more fun face off than the like Man Spider
just because I I yes, I love that safe two
of the character. But yeah, yeah, for sure. Maybe you
get Symbiot Hulk maybe.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that'd be great.
Speaker 1: I love my shots so much man, me too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think this scene's gonna bang too. Obviously. That's
the hand. And again the guy that directed his desin,
Daniel Crandon. He directed some cheat and that's some of
the best actions m suit. Right. I didn't love the
third act of that movie, but I think action wise,
you're gonna get and even the web SWLing stuff, right
like some of the CGI. Some of the shots, Kay,
maybe not the greatest, but I think the visual of
them and the actual choreography of them think they're gonna be.
I think it's gonna be top tier on that department.
I really do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, Marzi the suit, I'm just I'm just loving
Oh yeah, man, there's nine CGI characters down here, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's yeah Terrence Howard's war Machine. But uh,
people have pointed out apparently in the lead trailer this
took place in a building.
Speaker 1: I thought I noticed that when I was watching.
Speaker 4: The shitty version that you sent me. Yeah, so, uh,
there could be some mystery characters. I feel like, if
it's in the building, then why are there the mystery characters.
I feel like that. I feel like this is just
another montage thing of him showing fight people. True, you
could easily just see Gi Charlie Cox and somebody just
to say like, hey he was fighting. Yeah, like he
was fighting with them and.
Speaker 2: That was it.
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's anything big because who could.
It's not gonna be Spider Man. I don't need to
be halt because I think they're trying and say that
Hulk turns. I don't think it's Frank because if that's Frank,
why when you just have him there? He's in the
fucking trailer ready, right, so I guess it could be
flying he's shoving off the building as well, Okay, yes,
of course, yeah, or he could become at one point
he does get the war machine shoot kirkle in the
comics pressure he does. Yeah, it's a great fit punisher
warmhe yeah, you think it is Terrence Howard. No, it's
to Unborthenal. But no, I just think other than maybe
Sadie sinc there's no one really surprised here, So I
think could I think it could be like a Charlie
Cox though easy had a dared double cameo in there,
because it's like, yeah, we didn't get him in the movie,
but they've been piling around for the past four years.
Speaker 1: Great agreed, nice flowers. Oh there, I saw.
Speaker 4: Lash you go back a couple of times. Of course
Lasht weren't about to be done. He's just saying they
said red. So then when he looks online, he can
be like, yeah, yeah, I said the're red doors.
Speaker 1: It's this lighting right here, it is.
Speaker 4: I told you it was like, yeah, they didn't go
full red. But Dunda looking fucking gorgeous in this whole trailer, man,
I like, don't get me wrong, if that's your look,
you can do your look. I hate when they made
it her fucking like like all frumpy and stuff in
the first three movies, like when she's like that's.
Speaker 1: The point though, right, She's supposed to be like the
ugly duck Lan that nobody nobody cares about and the blossoms.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, you know what I about saying, isn't that right? How?
Speaker 1: Brother? Like what?
Speaker 4: Mike has a question which we're gonna get to. He
has a question about the trilogy. And actually, let's say, Kirkland, Uh,
we're gonna take our second ad break his first at break,
add somewhere in the thirty minute mark, I forgot to
take it. We take our first at break. Keep the
trailer up though to your first at break. We'll be
our second ad break while were at back. We're back.
Mike's question I'll read out fully, but I'm just paraphrasing.
He was gonna ask you, like now some time, how
do we feel about the the John Wats trilogy? Right?
And we're watching again with the girls right now. Ellie
hasn't seen it, Logan saw, but very younger when has
memories of it. We have Knowing Home, which we're gonna
watch either this week or next week. The whole MJ shit,
Like in retrospect, I get in the moment was like
who's she? It was like the city sing thing, right,
who's she playing? Who's that, But when you watch the
movie now, it's really just like, why didn't they just
make her MJ, Like like later on after the fact,
it just doesn't play the same. It just plays very
awkward and kind of dumb. So the same thing, we're like, oh, well,
she's gonna be MJ, but she's not gonna be like,
she's not gonna be a redhead. We're gonna dress her
down so people don't think she's like hot, but she's
gonna be his love. And you know, her name's gonna
be MJ. But it's Michelle Jones, not Mary Jane Watson.
But her name is still gonna be Michelle Michelle Jones Watson.
And when watching this movie, I'm just interesting. No, I
have no fucking problem with all the other losers in
the world that back then would now like why should
not white? Why should not white? Even the hair I
don't get. I still wish the hair because to me,
the hair actually is a more characteristic than her fucking
skin color. I actually don't think if MJ is white, Asian,
trans whatever, but to me, whatever I think about MJ,
it's her hair, right, So same thing with Spider Man.
It'd be like Spiderman. I don't care of color is,
but like if his suit was yellow and green, I'd
be like, what the fuck, Like, that's not Spider Man.
So that's where I've always been, back to that I
don't care a race or anything like that. And also
just helps at Zendaa looks like great and red hair
when she's actually dyed her hair red hair. So it's
always been like, fuck, just do it. Already liked, just
do it. So I feel like that's what's interesting. And
I don't know if it's because well, now he's grown
up and now he's Spider Man, but the first rector
to get a crack of the MCU Spider Man, it's
like he's more street level. He's got a Spiderman's suit.
MJ's calling herself MJ. Not even do her fucking friends, right,
Remember that was the whole twist. Oh well my friends, uh,
they call me MJ. She's just introducing yourself to MJ's
random people. She's got the red hair, and I get it.
I don't want to hear. I know there's MCU diehards.
I they're gonna push it. Their glasses go. Well, you
know those movies were like the origin of MJ. Now
this is the real MG. Yeah, it's like every fucking
movie it's like, well, this is really Spider Man now,
and then at the end of the movie or the
beginning the next one, he's like, Oh, I don't know
what I'm doing, and it's just like I don't like
so that stuff is just dumb to me. So I'm
very happy they're doing this type of stuff. And it's like, yeah,
fucking Mary Jane's a hot character. Let let Dunda would
be fucking hot because she's a good looking woman, you know.
Let Tom be fucking Hall. Like the cautioning in these
movies that they haven't in before. People point out when
Zendaya and Tom Hall were on the streets, they look
more like fucking Peter Parker MJ than in these fucking movies,
like some of their outfits and stuff like that. Like,
for me, it's in the caution in these choices. So
I appreciate everything. I can't remember how we got here.
You asked me some sort of question.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the another Patreon question about how we feel about.
Speaker 4: The Yeah, but you kind of let it in that.
But before we get the mic, pit play because you
see that wall a bit better too that I saw
far oh there right there, Yeah, that's their apartment. They
got so much Spider Man stuff there, and yeah again
like even then the character that Dundaa is showing there.
I just prefer this so much more over the whole
like the black Dahlia thing, and like I didn't I
didn't vibe with that character. And I think we've talked
about this before that the ms you made Zendea look
like a worst actress. She's better than what the MCU
gives are all the time, right, So I hope one
of these movies they can actually let her let loose
and have you know, I don't know, I just I
think watching those movies now. But yeah, I will give
the full thing on that. But before I say, with
this trailer, the good thing is everything I thought years
ago when we're getting Spider Man and the MSU, everything
I thought it would be. I don't know if it
exactly was, and I guess it kind of goes into
my question. I don't think it was exactly that, but
I feel like this is closer to what I had
in mind. You know, like this feels like wow, like
we're we're finally getting the MCU sperm, and I was
hoping we'd get Don't get me wrong, I love this
Toby one still more as of right now. But I
think Tom is great and they could do great. I
just think for some reason things were always holding those
back from being like, truly get great. I don't count
No Way Home because No Way Home is a whole
different beast right with the returning characters and legends. But
Mike's question was, now that we're entering a new Aero
spare man, how would you guys overall rate the jarn
Walt's trilogy, What elements from it you want to keep
or change moving forward? And how would you say measures
up to Rayney trilogy. So I've ranted for a bit,
but obviously, as I said, the things of doing MJ
happy with all those changes make her more MJ.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, uh good, good, little tangent there. I
feel like I'm kinda It's interesting because I'm kind of
on the opposite side. I really have no issues whatsoever
with the MG stuff that they did. I felt like
it fit. Oh no shit at the time.
Speaker 4: Go back king on esupposed to She's actually wearing the
black dolly and necklace here. Fun enough oh fuck, you
bet the bike out? Oh fuck, because it's just like
the opening far from I don't know if that is all. No,
the thing is though, remember though it broke slightly and
far from home, so that's why it might not look
Yeah yeah, so I'll believe the man in the chair.
To me, it was just like the whole gimmick they
gave zend day of just like, oh well, I'm gonna
take you to the bridge and I'm gonna be a
black Dolly because you know black Dahlia. She like loves
mers and loves weird stuff. And that's not like I
didn't like that. And again, like we just talked about,
they can change anything they want, right, they can pick
up a pencil and go okay. Now, she's kind of
more like true crime, emo cut type of nut. I
just don't think it fits for the character. And I
don't think it fit for Zendia. When Nda has like
a like she's like at times like early Will Smith.
She's like fucking female Will Smith. She's so charismatic, and
they have her playing this character like brings down her charisma.
Speaker 1: It's like with the girl, but it's not like her movie, right,
Like she's a very minor part of that first.
Speaker 4: Pan looking that first movie, but not second and third.
Speaker 1: And that that was the one that you hated the most,
where she's she's just like a nothing character. She goes
by Michelle.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I didn't like that. But then the second one,
she's still playing the very like yeah, like the you know,
black Dollia. I just love weird shit, you know, Like
I know, it's just like when Patrio, it's like he
did Joel and and then like, oh remember in Game
of Thrones when everyone fell in love with them, was
the viper because he's so charismatic. Yeah, let's never do
that again with Pedro. Let's just have him played really
dark characters and it's like, what the fuck are we.
Speaker 1: Doing here, guys and them, and have them never actually.
Speaker 4: Be on s. Yeah yeah, but yeah, so you would.
You were all fond. Damn you want to keep that.
You want to talking about murders and being like, oh,
I never.
Speaker 1: Said that whatsoever? Sixteen you said that whatsoever. I'm just
saying looking back on those projects, I hey, but just
looking back on that trilogy and just the arc, I
think of those characters I was really enjoying. I think
just the whole growth from the first movie to the
second one, and just like the awkward like high school
like courting that like like Peter Parker and MJ are
kind of doing in that second movie. I don't know,
I feel like it just it just reminded me of
of that era of my life, and it just it
just hit harder now if I had to pick one
or the other, obviously, I'm going to my you know,
my my dear, my old school like comic book version
of of the MG because I was just like my
first exposure to the character.
Speaker 4: I can't go there either, though, because she fucking sucks too.
We've talked about that before. Kristen Duntz's MJ right, like
or are you just about the comic version.
Speaker 1: M I'm just saying, like the comic book, like the cartoon,
like literally my first exposure to Spider Man, except it
you know, you never forget your first. But I also think,
like you do bring up good points of just like
the version of the character that they had isn't like
like it's definitely not squeezing out the maximum potential of
the character. Zindeia No, I like, honestly, like I don't
think I had seen Zindia in anything before that movie,
so like she really wasn't on my radar at that
point in time. Like I think she was a Disney star,
like Disney Kids star, but like definitely not my era
of Disney shows when I was growing up. So yeah,
like like I just didn't really feel like I watched
that movie and was like they gave her nothing, Like
I just didn't know.
Speaker 4: I don't even mean that that to me. I was
just talking about the general the character. I think. See,
my problem is not even the character stuff in there.
I didn't like it later on. I didn't like the
whole in retrospect now watching it, the secret and the
screen time is not worth the reveal of my friends
called MAMJ. Just don't have her say her name the
whole movie and I'm Mary Jane Watson, like the whole
the whole Like, oh well she's MJ, but she's r MJ.
It's like what does that matter? Like she's playing Mary
Jane right, because then you just got a bunch of
other fucking losers there, Like, well she's not because remember
what happened City Sink got cast all bunch of fucking losers,
Like I bet she's playing the real Mary Jane. It's like, no,
like Zenda and this world is the real Mary Jane.
So that's why I just like, why are they being
cheeky with well, she's Michelle Jones. It's dumb stuff. I'm
just saying. Of like when Mike asked me in retrospect
watching that me and they're like, this doesn't pay off
like it did, like when we first were like, oh,
who is it? Who's this girl?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: So yeah, and then uh, just to his question, looking
back on the trilogy, I really love them. I I
still have a lot of fun with those movies, especially
like the first one having Michael Keaton like as the villain,
Like like he he totally stands up, stands up. Oh yeah,
is that's the right way to say that. I don't
know why it sounds so weird.
Speaker 4: I just said, he holds up, holds up.
Speaker 1: He stood up. He stood up in Success Man, but man,
like like that scene in the car, like at the dance,
like it's just so much tension there and like you
got you got Tom Holland a Spider Man like I
I love that casting so much. Uh, it's it's probably
the best Spider Man casting that we've had in all
versions of the character. Obviously they look Toby because because
we because we like the nostalgia. Andrew is fantastic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Andrew. He's the goat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I disagree.
Speaker 4: I think he outmeeted him in No way Home big time.
I think when they all three together and you saw
what Andrew Garfield could do in the MCU with like
good directors and they get a good world as like
he he I think he's more natural equips and better
at the romance like I I to me, he's he's
a going geek winner that year he's Tom Hollman. I
don't know if he won the Gold and Get that year.
I think he did, actually, but like I actually can't remember.
But I think Andrew, if you were not to put
him in those amazing movies and give him something else juicy,
he would he'd be the king. You know.
Speaker 1: It's a close debate. I think though Tom Holland is
just so much better at the Peter Parker than Andrew
Garfield is. I feel like Andrew Garfield is too suave
and badass.
Speaker 4: Well, no, I think it's too cool. I don't, I don't.
I don't know that Andrew Garfield's a badass. But like
I look at it fair enough, I wan too many adjectives. Yeah,
you know what I look at as a badass. This
fucking guy right here, you know that? Yeah, yeah, it's
those cars. Motherfucker's move. I can't say that's a scenes.
Speaker 1: The scenes for like the Rami movies. You could be like, man,
this Peter Parker is the corniest of them all. But
like Toby maguire, he is a fucking he's a mob
shark or something like he's he's a badass guy.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, if I'm in a dark alley, I mean,
that's how that goes, if I'm if I'm in a
dark alley. If I'm a dark alley and I gotta
fight one three of them, I'm picking Toby McGuire at last,
every single time. But Jesus, we got you let him go.
Speaker 1: You can't say you can't block him in guys.
Speaker 3: You guys are gone.
Speaker 2: The car.
Speaker 4: He starts, Calm, I got away. I can't see the
way we're we're blocking the pun for fuck that fall
for got We moved for you, dude to We had
every fucking right, but like, look, how but look at
that look how calm he was, and then when it
was I can't see the cars guys they.
Speaker 1: Got and there's like a thousand more photos.
Speaker 4: To anyone that says motherfucker, Like motherfucker. Yeah, I'm not
messing with that guy. It's always definitely the most badass
of them. But ye know, Tom's so great. I just
and don't be wrong. I thought that until I saw
no way home, and once I saw, I gotta get
this image. Ja's the lighted mind, just told me yelling.
You can see his mouth fully open and stuff can
even drive.
Speaker 1: His eyes were wide open. He just got flashbang.
Speaker 4: But I swear one of the one of the Papa rossis
guys like we got you blocked in and like listening, listener,
I don't want to be. I want to be we
got you blop him. They're literally taunting him, they got
you block, we got you blocked, asshole, no wonder and
he had every right.
Speaker 2: I can't see.
Speaker 4: Why don't we have that as a drop either. We
got to We've done as an inside joke for years,
you know, so But anyways, Tom aout Tom. You love
Tom the Trilogy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love Tom the Trilogy. Yeah, I don't know.
I also just like the more what's the word I'm
looking for, Like, I feel like these movies reminds me
the most of like my like personal like grade school
experience where it's like Toby's you know, I was like
a kid watching that, especially at that age, seeing these
characters like Flash Thompson in that movie. Is the actor's
name Joe, Yeah, like like he's supposed to be what's
seventeen years old? Eighteen years old like in that movie,
like this guy looks thirty five, Whereas I watched like
the Tom Hall Ones, I'm like, yeah, these guys kind
of like this just reminds me more of my my
high school experience thinks without the superheroes of course. So
I don't know, there's just a certain attachment to it,
I think, And like that's just like a great era
of the MCU as well, right like this is before
like like like we start this or yeah, we start
this coming off of the great like introduction of the
character with Civil War, which everyone's so hyped such like
a little like taste of the characters, and there's such
a big build up going into So I think there's
just a lot of factors that really made it that
much more special in my heart and when I rewatched them,
like I kind of remember those memories, like all the
hype leading up to Far From Home, except for when
you and I broke down that trailer and I was
just venting and pissed off, but like even just like
didn't love the mysterio outcome of course in hindsight, but like,
how fucking hype was that when it's like Jake Chillenhall
is mysterio and a live action Spider Man movie, like
the first time we see him with the fish bowl,
like it looks so good. So yeah, there's a lot
of reasons why it's still and then of course no
way home. It is just but I agree with you,
I think that's just a unicorn like that, that's that's
stands in its own kind of yeah, like existence, like you.
Speaker 4: Need, of course the other two Spearmen to get you there,
but it's it's so just by itself in a way
where it's like it's tough, like I can't even count
as like a buffer towards the front like the trilogy.
It's it's a it's an odd spot, right because it's
kind of the culmination of two other Spider man's right,
like Toby's and Andrews. So yeah, like watching them the
only home I know will hold up. I love that movie.
I think they do a great job there. You know,
obviously about some visuals, but overall character stuff, story stuff,
I hold up. And Mike, I agree with you when
you said to be Fairs and Day was still just
out of Disney Channel when Homecoming that's comeing out, no
one known to users strengths. That's why I did kurtail
and say in my pro Homecoming was just the MJ reveal,
not Zendea. That's fine, it's more Agaan as they continue
on with that character. I don't think they used the
best and I didn't like the gimmick of again like
weird MJ. That was kind of Gothy right, It's just
like a weird trilogy. Like I don't know how like
as far as our rate, I wouldn't give a number,
but I would give it like a like a B
to be minus. I think because we watched Far from
Home again last week and I think that was maybe
the third time I've seen it, and it's knowing a
bad movie, but me and him the end of that one,
because once the kids are gone. Then we actually like
talk like about what we think about movies because we
don't want to like, oh that was shit, right, And
then you know, the non trilier time, there's a couple
of times when like the kids want to watch Harold
in the Purple cram r Like, we're not watching that.
You watch the Grandma. There's a couple times we do
got to break at the Gamack like no, no, no, we
don't think we'd like this. You you guys watched somewhere else,
but with this, we just both looked at it. She's like,
this is like a very like kind of just fine movie, right,
like far from like I actually took it down to score.
I think I had it like a seven and I
took it down to a six because it was just fine.
And again, and I'll give all the credit in the
world to Brent. He's always pointing this out, but he's like,
like when I first started talking to Brent and listen
to his stuff, He's like, you can't watch the Captain
America trilogy is a trilogy, right because look at Captain America,
Captain America, what happens, But then Winter Soldiers after Avengers,
so you're missing that and then Civil War. If you
just watched Captain America movies, that's a fucking mess, right,
So we want to because the girls wanted to get
watched No Way Home. But then they said, oh, that's
watch them all because Ellie, Gwen and Logan my three oldest.
I think they're all gonna be going to theaters to
see this one, so let's get them caught up and everything.
So watching the Hall movies though without the Avengers Far
from Home, it's just super fucking weird as well too.
That's the other thing, like if you're not watching it,
like I feel like, like the MJ thing in the moment,
it was great to have this directfall of of what
was the blip like and what was losing Tony Stark like,
But in the Spider Man world it does it just
feels like you're kind of wasting time a bit because
it's like and it also sucks too because when it's like,
what was the blip, like, we thought, oh, we're gonna
get tons of that, right, they never really capitalized on
that five years of the blip, So that's the problem
where I think it has aged. I think it's age
definitely worse than maguire's I know SPIERMN three exists, but
I think the McGuire once have gotten better and these
have aged. We're no way home again. It's just it's
in its bottle. So for me, it's like a bb mindset.
Homecoming is like good, but I don't think it ever
was even when we reviewed it the first time. I
don't consider that a great MCU movie. I think that's
very much in like the the B tier. So I
don't think they ever hit the head on the nail
with the single solo Spidering one, and I think with
this one they could. I'm expecting at least an eight
out of ten, which other than Noway Home, that'd be
the highest Spider Man like since the Toby One's for
me so crazy?
Speaker 1: What was I gonna say there? Well, uh, just comparing
like the how the Raimies age compared to compared to
the The Watts trilogy, I guess it's it's tough, right
because you're kind of cursed by it being in the MCU.
Like like movies or a trilogy, there's no in between movies.
There's no filler that you have to watch. There's no
Disney Plus shows that you got to fill up to
it to figure out what villain is introduced or whatnot,
like like, that's just kind of the curse of the
MCU overall. If you want to just watch the trilogy
of Captain America or something like that, it is like.
Speaker 4: A big TV show a lot of times, right, And
that's a good thing or bad thing. But like a
lot of times TV shows, you can't just watch one
episode in the middle of a season. You got to
watch the whole thing, right, And that's what these movies are,
which is it's weird.
Speaker 1: So yep, no, for sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then Mike, you also asked was the tale
and it was with Raymie. You asked, uh, well, how
was the measure up to Raymie? No, nowhere near to me? Like,
I like the themes better there, like the story, the visuals,
the score as well, everything like that. I'm gonna get
no way home stuff. And I know someone's gonna be like, well,
those are the ones you grew up with, travs, so
of course you like those. Okay, Sure, I think that's
a bad Shrawman argument because I grew up with the
Keyen movies and I don't put those the top, right,
Like I grew up with Returns, Baton Robbin eighty nine.
I watched those all as I was a kid, and
the Nolan trilogy is my Batman, right like that thing.
And even then, I right now have a hard time
to sign between what I like more with Dark Knight
and The Batman. So I have multiple times to show you.
Oh no, there's a new version that's made current day,
and I think that is better. I think the ramy
stuff just worked a lot better. But like Kirkin said,
had different things that had to do right where this
it is tough when you're not watching. I bet Far
From Home will hit a lot better if I ever
do a full MCU rewatch again, right, but watching it
just by itself, just plucked out, it doesn't work, So
I think, uh, and but again, NOE Home is a
that's a gift. Knowing Home to me is the second
best MCU movie. That's like a top tenor for enjoyment.
And that's not just because nostalgia. They nailed it on
the arc. They took big risks with the even though
spell thing was done. They did that, they killed Aunt May,
they did a few other things in there that I
thought were really good and ballsy and just a bit
more darker. Defoe was fucking fire on all cylinders in
that movie. Like that's not just a nostalgia movie. Those
do exist, but I don't think that's it. But again
that's just like that can't uplif the whole trilogy. But
again it's not the worst because Amazing Spider Man is fuck.
I rewatched, we watched those. I took those down by
a score too. I just we reviewed those within the
podcast era me kylein Dylan, and I think I gave
like Amazing Spider Man like a seven and the second
one like a six or something. I was like, and
I looked at my letter box, I'm like, these are high,
like Andrew Emma did so much heavy lifting it. And
I don't know if I can ever watch those movies
really ever again. But it's tough because those two are
so gray in them together, right, so that's why you
watch it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah it has it has some good juice
in there, but those are bad movies, bad bad movies.
Uh yeah. I mean like for me, I wouldn't put
any of the Tom holl And Spider Man movies below
and nine like like I really really enjoy all of them.
Speaker 4: Said you won't put any below and nine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't put any of them below nine Homecoming
or Far from Home?
Speaker 4: I I when have you seen Far from Home last?
My friend?
Speaker 1: Over the holidays? Like Christmas time?
Speaker 4: This year? You watch Far from Home when they go
to fucking wherever in the jone.
Speaker 1: Hall's there, London man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's a nine.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love that movie absolutely. What do
you do? You didn't kick me out of the room.
It's just just you and I heard.
Speaker 4: Antonio man, just I can't kick you.
Speaker 1: All subjective. It's all subjective, right, Fuck? I forgot what
you had that one.
Speaker 4: I was deleted it, but it kims in hand whatever. Yeah, probably,
So let's make this simple. No, you got to keep
it Christmas. It's good. It's good.
Speaker 3: You know, got something to say.
Speaker 4: We're gonna recreate that scene of GV film. That's what
we do. We're not gonna recreate great scenes for movies.
We're gonna recreate bad ones and then make them good,
you know. Yeah, Mike's complete, right. The same with Guardian's
Trilogy and Finny Warren anging between two and three. Yeah,
you watch two and then three ends up with Gomora
is dead. It's all like, yeah, but that's just the
way it is. It just they just stand out, can you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well just quantumnia. I guess m N one and
two are pretty like there's just stuff going on around
those movies, like like m N two it's not really safe.
I guess that that has consequences.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the end credits, if you just stop at the
end credits. But well, write, I guess his daughter's ages
all the way the fuck up? I forgot about that, right,
His daughter go goes from eight year old to like
an eighteen year old in between the second movie, know
in the third one, right because the blip happens, right, Yeah,
so yeah, big change is so big your GV big
here you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what was I gonna say? I still prefer
the raimi. I think I don't think I answered that
that question.
Speaker 4: But absolutely, But how does that work? Is if those
are all nines, you're saying all the hollo ones are nine.
Surely Spierman three is not a nine?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Man power nostalgia though, like it's it's fair, that's my
spider Man. And you make a good argument of like
it's not just based around nostalgia. Because like Nolan's you know,
a good example of of of a Batman that can
supersede the nostalgia the factor of the ones that we
grew up on. But there's just so much extra to
those movies beyond it just being a film or a
collingbook movie. Like I feel like there's just a culture
around those movies too, like the me like it's just
still quotable. Even people that aren't in, like they don't
follow the podcast or they don't listen to the comic
book podcasts or anything like that, Like they still just
understand the memes of that and.
Speaker 4: They know that sound cute like that didn't you know?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent and just Toby like like
like I don't know, I think it's just a generation
type thing and those movies really really did that for myself.
Speaker 4: So yeah, And I also think, like I know, some
people might agree disagree because they put up Superman like
the Chris red one, which kem Fige, I don't know,
I it's sure, but he says before every time they
make a movie, they watched that movie. Some people might
put a Batman's begin but I still put that Maguire's
first movie that is the greatest superhero origin film in
my time or my opinion. That's like I think they
people compare it to or I'd say that people for
origin films that usually comes up as like Chris Reeves
Superman or Batman begins, or like the hail that's like
these are the two or one of them as well
in that. But for me, it's Toby Spierman. I think
that's the perfect amount because Batman begins also like takes
a to get to Batman. And you might not scratch
that in because I remember when I saw in school,
I was all jazz and my teacher saw it, who
likes Batman reads Batman. He's like, yeah, the movie was
better when he wasn't Batman. I was like, oh, that's
a weird take, but that's how he felt, right, So,
and Christoph Reid's like, we won't check out the feeds.
We on Patreon, we reviewed those. That's just a long movie.
And I just I think the Toe Maguire is like
a perfect superhero origin movie that anybody that's doing it
should watch that and like this is how you do it. Yeah,
of course sure they skip all the high school years.
Of course you can't do everything, but to me in
that time and then what you should base upon and
improve upon, that's the movie right there, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I completely agree. I think it's a
good just mixture of it all and just paced well
where Christopher Reeve is that's an epic.
Speaker 4: That is an epic. Yeah, but again that's what that's
also why someone might say that, right, well, it is
an epic, like that's why it is the movie, right
So yeah, alright, so we get some more questions. We're
gonna be cutting the Pixar slight and what we've been
watching because we spend an hour and a half on
this trailer and thing to.
Speaker 1: Say on what people have been watching. And it's not
even what I've been watching.
Speaker 4: But that's fine, and I'll take that out on this
one because I don't know if I'm gonna work tomorrow,
So so, so what do you shut out? What have
you been watching?
Speaker 1: Before you it's not even what I've been watching, but
one of Shade and I's favorite shows of all time
starvers The Forces of Evil, which I feel like, I
feel like, actually maybe not. You have such a wide
spread of children's ages, I feel like it's maybe not
appropriate for the younger ones. But it's a kids show. Nonetheless,
it's like, uh, I don't know how to gauge what's
appropriate for children or whatnot. I mean, your kids watch
Lord of the Rings, so it's fine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they watch a lot of the Rings. They're okay.
Speaker 1: Anyways, we named our dog after a character in the show,
Marco Diaz. I'd see what you're doing in the video clips.
There you slide, dog, I got eyes everywhere? Are you
to me with your fucking video clips? Anyways, Absolutely love show,
see it so many times I have to just pull
up the cast listen here. It's fucking loaded. And the
single greatest villain in the entire show, his name is Toffee,
voiced by the great Michael C.
Speaker 2: Hall.
Speaker 1: Blew my mind, really blew my mind. And he is
such like a like a creepy demeanor to the way
he speaks, like he like he's just calm, but like
very intimidating. And when I saw yeah, yeah, young Dexter
as the voice, it blew my mind. Absolutely just just
peaud the show more than it already was for me.
So oh you're right here, uh.
Speaker 4: Michael, oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 1: But that was my one thing. I just discovered it today.
I wanted to share it because you know, we're Dexter,
we're Michael Seahall fans here.
Speaker 4: He's on my list of like I feel like, all.
Speaker 1: Come back in here with me or am I just
talking to No?
Speaker 4: This is what you're gonna do. No, there's some of
those acts. Those directors have peel that they only use
for their movies, and you won't see him much like
Michael see Hall is an actor I would use in
so much.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: I love Michael Shall. Oh yeah, even despite like Resurrection
the season one, Like love michaels All. He's a great talent.
Speaker 1: And like you could be a different role in every
single project, but you just use him in everything because
he's just amazing.
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got some questions that are adjacent to this, and then
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Beat it. I think I'm like seventy percent. But that's
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and came back into it. I'm like, I'm not ready
for this right now, because you got to.
Speaker 1: Be really, it's a hard one to come back two months.
Speaker 2: Later, it is.
Speaker 4: And that kind of didn't Markers.
Speaker 1: You're like, I don't even know where the fuck I
have to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like because and I remember I was going hard
and playing all the time, and then just life happened.
I think it was maybe around the time when the
kids was born, and like I think it was think
it was Ellie when I was still playing it and
then I just put it down. Then when I came back,
it almost like I felt like it was weird, Like
I was, like I said, I'm thinking of seventy percent
of the way, I was being bosses, doing stuff like
not doing stuff that tras traps in the past, like
wow trash, like you're actually killing these dark soul boss
is good for you, and then playing it after months
of not touching I felt like that, I like, I
don't know to fucking do, Like almost felt like I
should start over, but I don't want to do that
because that's a lot of hard. Yeah, So we'll see
I'm where should I do on this? I'm I have
some of those Taylor, I'm very conflicted. The Crimson Desert
reviews came out.
Speaker 1: Today and I said, still a seventy seven.
Speaker 4: Then it's take a look here, because I said seventy
eight was like my barometer. It's seventy eight right now.
But it's tough because it's like it's very The reviews
I've seen are very polarizing as far as it feels
like the pill. I love it, love it, and other
people are like, no one's saying it's a bad game,
but very much like it does a bunch of stuff,
but none of it that well. It's like, oh you've
seen that. It's it's just like it's nothing new to
the wheel. It's just all stuff in the wheel. So
it's just tough because again, like games costs hundred dollars,
this isn't a short game. It's one of those like
Breath of the Wild Elder scrolls, like go explore everything,
and it's like, yeah, I'm just so torn on Yeah,
I just so torn if I do this. So that's
where I's like, do I just not do that? And
I do actually make a play for elden Ring or
I do some of the backlog because in May, Lego
and Bonds coming out, so that's already around the corner too, right,
So it's like I don't know. I I'm so I
got till to more to the side, but I just
I haven't decided on what I want to do with
this because it's just because what if I'm in that
camp where I just dropped one hundred dollars, I'm like,
this game's like all right, you know, so yeah, and
then it's not getting It's like it's out tomorrow tomorrow, yeah,
at nine or in the day like early, No, it's nine,
you know. And that's the thing that I'm kind of
great tailored, like it's seventy seven, seventy eight, and it's like,
is that game just not gonna drop on sale like
six months from now? You know? Like yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think you could wait unless you're I'm
also just on my myself trying to be a lot
more strict on like when I'm percha like still have
been gone Ghost of Yotai right, Like I felt like
me too. I'm all legend dropped like day one, yeah, yeah, exactly.
But it's like, yeah, I don't know. I saw I
still have things that I could play to, Like I
now you know that I wanted to see the whole
time on Elder Ring. It's like, well, I have that,
but I'm I'm so scared to go in there because
I've heard it's just so much harder than the actual
bass game. And Lord helped me that. That definitely took
some years off my life.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've heard that. I've also thought about the
elm Ring. Do I just keep it like a summer
of love and I'm just like, you know what, I'm
just gonna leave it where it is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: There was like one time I had a fling with
something when I was younger, or someone that was I
met while camping and they're in the oakan Augan for
just that summer and then they moved back to Edmonton,
like they never came back and that was fine, Like
we were younger and that's what all was. It's like,
was that was that alm Ring for me? Was that
was just I'll never go back to Soul's game again.
In just that year, it was like a summer flaying
in the will.
Speaker 1: I think it's get hyped on the movie. Hopefully, hopefully
that's true.
Speaker 2: That might be.
Speaker 4: Actually you're right, that might actually be. I should I
think you've made the decision. I think I'm going to
a table until that movie comes out, because then I
like that, I'll give me a reason to get back
into it. Watch the movie never come out, and I'm like, fuck,
but yeah, there's still stuff like I'm I'm I And
then again I went back and resid I was so
hyped on Residnuvil nine, I'll top on sequest. I went
back to play Residuevil two. You know, like that's how
hyped I was, And uh, there's still stuff. Oh bean
it twice. Yeah, yeah, but I was just like, I
want to go back. I want to do this shit again,
you know. So there's lots of stuff, but yeah, so
I don't know, we'll see what I'm talking on side quest,
but lots of good stuff on the feeds. Maddy asks,
how would you rank these projects in terms of your
hype level as of today? He put up Doomsday Doom
three Man in the Odyssey for a little Maddie Verba
Cheery put I voted Doomsday as my most anticipate for
gold Geeks. So this might be a recency biased, but man,
fresh off that Dune three trailer, I think do is
saying this top spot for me. Don't need to see
a single frame more. With that said, I will likely
see Doomsday first due to fear of spoilers. That's a
good point. We'll talk about doing in just a second here.
So it's a good uh transition kind of even though Maddie,
your next question is gonna bug us up with those Okay, yeah,
we're rank those projects right now, Doom, doing Doomsday, doing
three Spearmen in the.
Speaker 1: Audis, yeah, am man, it's a tricky one. I'm gonna
have to go Spidy number one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go Spidy number one, and
then I'll go sorry, what was the fourth after.
Speaker 4: Odyssey and Dune Doomsday? Avengers?
Speaker 1: Oh? Fuck Avengers too?
Speaker 4: Man, Yeah, holy.
Speaker 1: Shit, Kay, yeah, I'm gonna do I'm gonna go Spidy,
Dune Doomsday and then Odyssey, purely on the fact that
I just got two trailers for those those top two
on my list. So that's like fresh in the mind, right,
are you fucking kidding me?
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna become a solo person cast. It really
is my honesty. Last, honestly, below Doomsday is criminal Kirkland.
Speaker 1: That's okay, fine, I'll swap those. I'll swap criminals fair enough.
I'll go outestly third, then Doomsday fourth. I don't know
if that makes it better or worse. I mean, I'm
still under the impression Dune is just not coming out
this year. I'm just kind of willing then.
Speaker 4: To even the trailer dating it this week.
Speaker 1: Fuck yeah, I guess You've got a good point, like
they could do anything, right, man, I just feel like
that I'm losing that argument.
Speaker 4: I me too. I didn't put in my the Mike
when he did the box Office draft. Me and Mike
both didn't put in our top ten because I thought
they would move. But the fact also you can move anything, right.
We've covered before camera which movie was, Remember there was
a movie that dropped a trailer then a week after that.
I think it was like X Men of Palk They
like delayed the movie even th that of dates, so
they can easily do that. I just felt like that
was like like, now we're not scared, We're gonna We're
still gonna come out, you know, And like I was like,
all right, there's a good article too that I think
Hollywood Reporter put out that, like, even the industry is
very divided because theater people are like, actually, this could
be really great because we want big theaters, we want
people to come in and see stuff. But then there's
other people like they could hurt each other. People that
are like they could fuck over Jamanju, which is the
week before which people might be like, I'm not seeing
Jamanji if I'm here, Because again, these are gonna be
I'm gonna say that's just round up. Say they're just
both three hour movies. So with that, before we continue
Mike's play Expedition thirty three. Absolutely, that's another on same thing.
Cyberpunk has is coming to Xbox Games Pass this month.
I always want to try it, right, So that's why
it's like, there's so many other great games. So and
it'd be different if I wasn't buying a lot of
new games to review for side Quest this year. But
it's like I did Res, I'm doing Bond, I'm doing Batman,
I'll be on GTA, I'll be on other stuff.
Speaker 1: So you know, do you have PlayStation Plus, do you force?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got Premium Space Marine two just came to the
monthly games, and that's like an online co op. We
gotta we gotta jump in there. We can force Taylor
into it like ARCS.
Speaker 4: Whatever the we will if we play, he'll go, He'll
just fucking fall asleep. He'll just tell me, oh, trust
don't worry. I'll be on in five minutes. Forty five
minutes later. Trest in there with his dick in his hands,
could have been getting laid. But no, I'm sitting awaiting
for Ted. It's like, okay, cool, but no, Mike, I
do want to play because I've heard such great things
about it, but I with both those movies are gonna
be three hours, right, so it's six hours right there.
Previews are usually we'll say just for us or about
fourteen minutes, so that's a half an hour each. So
that's three and a half travel time. You're looking at
because what did I get to? I got to six
and a half seven, So you're looking what pretty much
between depending where you live, unless you live right across
the theater, and you might get pop You're gonna show
up early, get popcorn, because that's gonna be time where
kirk on you can't show up at screen time, because
that's like, that's gonna be a busy night. If people
there for Dune and Doomsday, that's gonna be a very
busy night. So that's gonna i mean say that's an
eight hour venture at the theaters. I've said this before.
I'm completely fine as a moviegoer, as a and we
always are honest with you guys. As a podcaster, that
fucks us over so much monetization wise, not even joking
because the SEO and stuff, because what happens is when
people search for our podcast or the Doomsday Review, it's
gonna be there. But if we have to, because we
will review Doomsday, like Mike Mattie said, for spoilers. First,
my ideal world is I hope you can line up
where we all we should probably talk when we get closer.
We all need to take the Friday off. We see
these movies, we review them. We put the Doom review
at first, and then Doomsday because Doomsday, whatever people think,
will do bigger.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: But the problem with a lot of algorithms on Apple
and Spotify, I'm not so much sure on YouTube, but
when people search for the Doomsday one and they see
geeks for still click on it, but the first episode
show is Doom, so lots of people just go, oh,
they didn't actually review that, so then they move along
right you want it. And that's why before fucking celebrity
podcasters took over the podcast charts, we used to chart
all the time, like Garden, Finny Wore and Aenning reviews
at one point like five for just like a couple
like days or even the week, but like top fifth
review like TV and Apple podcasts in America, there is
that episode right now, the whole podcast, which is the
episode because it was it could see it right away.
So that's where my fear is, we're gonna get shit
screen times. We're gonna have to review Doomsday on Thursday,
then we have to do Dune on Friday, and it
hurts both those right, and even then they could be right.
I don't know if it's gonna have I think I'm
more on the side and I think we're gonna tullbos
for the next year. I am on more side that
I don't think it's like a Barbenheimer. I think with Barbarenheimer,
those movies were different and that was kind of a
fun like oh, like you have the dark depressing almost
bio biopic documentary of the bomb Oppenheimer. But then it's like, oh,
then you have a fun time of Barbie in the Gang.
I feel like both Doomsday and Dune are gonna be
I'm not saying quality, I'm saying just similar themes of
really bad stuff happening to characters because it's like a
big war, right, even Doomsday it might not be a war,
but it's gonna be Doctor Doom. He's gonna fuck some
shit up, right, So I don't know. I hope they move,
but there's been more. I guess that report on Deadline
was or I think it's harly report that more industry
people like within or they're like, oh yeah no, there's
like both those movies are staying. No one's moving. It's like, oh,
like that's a big and don't be wrong as a
box office guy, though, I'm fascinated to see how that
goes for those two. Right, and again, what if like
what if that happens where either one if one of
them reviews a little poor or if they're God forbid
ones rotten, Because all I've heard is doing Massiah is
a fucking weird book. Have you heard that before? Right?
People say the third one gets all weird and everything.
Speaker 1: Hidalgos is currently reading it right now, and he sends
me some some screenshots of like some of the pages
and quotes that are in there. Yeah, yeah, it's it's
fucking weird.
Speaker 4: So what if there's a chance that that movie comes
out and it is weird for the general audience and
it becomes a like, I don't I don't really like
not my Dune. I don't really enjoy it, right, Like
it's not a like the same thing. But look at
like Wicked to Wicked part two, right, the big thing that,
like that big group of people, they didn't show up
for that. So if let's say Dune two reviews even
slightly negatively, and now it's competing with Doomsday, you'll get
a bunch of you like, well, I already saw a
three hour movie. I've heard people say Dune three is
kind of weird or like not the greatest. I'll wait
till home, you know where If if Dune's alone, it's like, well,
I'll go see Dune because there's nothing else. But when
you have Downy and Evans, like, I don't know if
it's gonna play the same or maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
people are just like they they make it an event.
They sign up that day and they're like, we're gonna
go see We're we're taking ten to eight hours a day,
we're seeing both these movies. We're gonna group of friends together,
and maybe they are. I don't know how things go, Like,
how are you feeling about that right now? If like
it's seeming if they do stay long term formcast, you
think that's good for them, bad for them in the middle,
where's that going for you? And then Mattie, I'll answer
your question after.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I never thought it was a good
idea to begin with. That's why I was always kind
of just saying that Dune was gonna move, Like I
totally I still kind of feel that, even even though
the date is in the trailer not Doom, so you.
Speaker 4: Never think Doomsday could move. I thought, like, I just
feel like.
Speaker 1: That's the bigger one, so it's like the bigger one
therefore would be the heaviest, So therefore the heaviest object
would move the hardest.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they got other shit they gotta do too, right,
Like we get X men going, we gotta get like
you they were done three, it's like gonna they it's
gonna be the end, even though there's more books. They're
marketing this as the epic conclusion. We're Marvel Supts to
worry about, Like, well, we got Spermin five and Fantastic four.
We gotta kim production, right, So.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you make up some some really good
points about just the logistics of general audience seeing these
particular projects, and like the fact that Barbie and Oppenheimer
are so different. I think that's why it works so well.
But yeah, these are pretty these are pretty adjacent type films.
To Peter, there's action in it. So Florence Pugh, Florence Pugh,
she's killing it that day absolutely, which she deserves because
she's amazing obviously, boys.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I.
Speaker 1: I would be down to take the Friday off. I'll
pitch it to the boys to tough one. I know
you have the sick days, so you can fucking I
would never never use those use I'm just saying you'll
probably be feeling sick around that time, so that you'll
be forced to actually take a sick day.
Speaker 4: Of course, eight theaters against people, don't throwing a popcorn
on me and stuff. But like, no, I like, yeah,
hopefully Taylor would or like I said, I hope the
screenings are early enough that and that's what I hope
the theaters do. If they're gonna do this, be savvy,
have the theaters open up, because usually they only did
it in the summer or during like holidays, where it's like,
oh yeah, showings can start like two or four. Don't
give me like yeah for showings at seven. It's like,
because I also don't want to go see Dune, like
because I'm with Maddie, I would say Doomsday first because
of spoilers, right, I think with do in the book
being out, it's like if I get spoiled, it's gonna
be like before then we're Doomsday. That's gonna be a
mad dash to stay away from everything, right, chats, youtubes,
et cetera. So, but do I really want to go
see Dune at like nine forty five or ten? Not
really like like after that? I don't know. So I
will like they're if the screenings are early, I have
no problems see them both back back. I love doing
duple features. I just don't want that that long one.
But so, Matt, you asked for hype, you didn't ask
for I know it's different, I know the Sund's done,
but for anticipation, when I anticipate something that's like I
really like this Dune Doomsday thing, like oh, I want
to say, this goes when you ask him. By hype,
that's a different list because I am technically more anticipated
for Doomsday than Spider Man, because I think I just
want to see what the mess Doomsday could be or
how they pull off the Hail Mary, right, But for
my hype levels, it goes awesty it's tough, so it's
definitely the bottom two is definitely Spider Man on Doomsday.
I have Doomsday laugh because my hype is not there
for Doomsday right now. I'm sure will be well as
we get there. I'm excited to see all those returning
characters and once the marketing starts, great. But honesty is
tough because versus doing three, because honesty is done by Nolan,
who to me is the goat and I love almost
all his films, and I think we're gonna get something
special where Dune that June two to me is one
of the greatest movies of all time, and this is
the follow up to it, right, So no one's made
a couple of those to me, but this isn't like
a sequel to that. I think the reason I give
the Auesse the just because when people tell me all
like doom Assiah is weird, That's where it's like, what
if that doesn't transfer on screen? Right? Like what if
there is some issues with making that into a film
that could still probably only be three hours. So I
would go, honestly Dune three because I think doing three
has a bigger chance to stumble. I'm not saying they will.
I trust the knee, but I'm just saying if you
were asked me, Hey, if you were if Kirkham was
a fortune teller and he's like, hey, one of these
movies ends up rawding? Is it doing three or Odyssey?
I'm taking Dooing three every time. I don't think Odyssey's
gonna be rawten. In my opinion, I think doing three
could take some big swings up. People are like fuck,
like they did what with the Worm? Like, I don't
think I want to do anything with that? And yet
Spider Man then Doomsday Spider Man. Like I'm not like
I'm hyped for, but I'm still cautiously I'm more hyped
now after this trailer. I'm very excited for birth novel.
That's what I'm very excited for to get Punisher in there,
so I gotta see more of it. But uh, the
suit the shots, looking very forward to that. And then
Maddie as Patson recently said in an interview that Batman
two will take some big swings and be very different
from the first film. And he quick takes us what
he could be referring to. Also random stat pretty wild
how Pat passins and they have three movies together coming
out this year. It is crazy because they got the drama,
they got Odyssey because she's in Odyssey, and then they
got doing three. So that is funny how that all
worked out, because yeah, I remember the day I said that.
I think she said like they had never even met before,
and now they worked together like three times in a row.
So hopefully it's good. We're gonna talk about doing the
second here, but big, like it's tough. I do think
with how long the Batman's taken and with Matt Reeves,
I think there probably is big swings. I feel like,
of course the actor's gonna say that right, like he's
contractedly obligated to do this movie. So if they ask him,
I don't think he'd be like, yeah, Matt really filmed
this one in like we waved this long time. Yeah,
we waited so long, and Matt really fucking shit the bed,
you know, Like remember when James Gounna became the DC
head and said flash from the gravest superhero movies all time.
So that's what it's like. I can only take it
so far. I think, to me what I've always said,
and I still stand by this. The biggest swing would
be that they're gonna gender swap two Face and it's
not gonna be Dent, It's gonna be scar Joe because
Scargo's playing his wife. And that's what I because even
Matt Reeves and Matt Thomson's like, oh, we're getting someone
with the villain's never been done before again, could that
just be bullshit? And it's just two Face And She's like, well,
our version of two face never be done. Sure, But
I think a big swing because I think pass and
who I think is a fan of Colm Books would
know reading that making two Face a woman this time,
that is a big swing and there's gonna be some
people not happy with that. So I feel like it's
I feel like that's just a big swing I can
think of off the bat I don't know about other stuff.
I hope it's not too different, because when he said
it's very different, I hope not. Like I do want more,
like not just the same movie, but like I want
more of the Batman. So I don't want to be
like I don't want to be radically different. I want
to just be more of the same with some new
story and of course some variations, right, But uh, yeah,
that's what That's what my prediction is, is something with
the film. But you got anything there, Kirk, you think
it would be a big swing.
Speaker 1: I mean, my mind just goes to like a more
I guess, less grounded type of villain. Like you know,
Batman does have some freak shows that he that he
faces off with, right clay faces of the world. What's
that like, undead guy that like can't die at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 1: Saying we're getting this guy in this movie, but like
that's that's a freak show type villain that would be
very different than what we've seen with like Paul Dano's.
But I think kind of what you're pitching is probably
the more likely situation of just like a different rendition
of the character the Cape Crusader Man. I love the
different versions of the villains that we saw in that
with with Harley Quinn that was so awesome. The gender
swapped Penguin that was really really fun and just just
a fresh coat of paint right on a character we've
seen so many times before. And I mean, I'm sure
there's people that hate that for stupid ass reasons, but
it is fun for me, and I feel like, like
I feel like the majority of people, but he gets
in the air.
Speaker 4: It's like the people this week, like I like luckily
know an artists court, Like people were saying it was stupid,
but no one made a big deal of it. But
people when I was searching clips and sing stuff, we're
just losing their mind at these two second clips of
the trailer, Like I can't believe someone would do this.
It's such a stud way dude, Like they're just killing
their momentum. Just release the trailer. It's just like, no,
you know why, because what happened. My sister texted me
to be like, Hey, is this Spermen trailer out? Yeah, Like,
can you send me a link so I know it's
the right one here, it is. That's how the GI
does this. Man, they're not fucking online being like there's
two sayings like whenever I got mad the Avengers in
the chair thing, it's like no one really gives a fuck,
you know, like, you know, really like real people give
a fuck. There's just so much fake outrage, Like you
don't you probably listen to Stressy, but I ran about
the whole Timity show me and the ballet thing.
Speaker 1: It's like I could watch that. Actually, okay, I liked
it on Instagram. You should have noticed.
Speaker 4: I don't really check the I don't check I tried
not to check them. I go on social media. I've
always said this during sports and wrestling, because that's when
social media is the best, when ship's popping off. And
then when I'm collecting like news before our newscats tressly
just because I missed something. But yeah, it's just like
who's actively like at home getting mad about like what
tim is you showing me said at the ballet, Like
even if you disagree with them, it's like, who's getting
mad about it?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 4: I respect at least like it was dumb, but I
at least respect a doja cat for being like, yeah,
I kind of just did it for like she like
blasted them, and then like two days there she's like,
you know what that was dumb. I just kind of
did it for the engagement, and like I apologize for that.
It's like and that's why again you never know social media, right,
are these people actually upset or that's the same thing.
If Harvey Dent is a woman, you know what, I'm
gonna go, Oh cool, Scardo, Let's see what happens. I've
always said before I would fucking love a female joker.
Like we have so many a getting with two face.
It's like, I know some people be mad. It's like,
you got Tommy d or Tommy d Jones, Tommy Lee Jones,
not d Jones, Tommy Tommy that's what that's what his
life calls. And tell me d Jones, but tell me
Lee Jones. You got Aaron Eckhart. There's countless of animation adaptions.
It's like, sure, may get a woman. I'm not gonna care. Like,
all I'm gonna care is if it's a story sucks.
If the story sucks, and be like man, this like
if she burns herself and she's like I'm doing this
because I'm a woman. Yeah, I'm gonna say, well, that
fucking suck. I don't know why they did that, because
she just said she's a woman. That's why she's two faced,
Like they gotta do something so outrageous.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I hope the Big swing's not Robin. That's my thing too.
I don't want fucking Robin this movie at all. That
comes from someone that named one of their kids after
Dick Grayson, I do not want not here. I will pass.
I know this Richard after Dylan's dad as well. No Grayson,
Elli Grayson, Ellie Grace, Ellie's midle name is Grayson, like
you have a son.
Speaker 1: Was born.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we don't like him, that's what you guys have. Man,
he's he doesn't shown us true pality.
Speaker 1: Yet he hangs out with Tony while we're over.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you think less of me, father, I do. Man,
that guy's so good.
Speaker 1: You wish it was being the dud.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I have no debt to dois this? I
just wish you died period.
Speaker 1: Your tomatoes.
Speaker 4: Uh, now to the transition is over here. This might
be the longest just two man weekly geek over my god,
we still we'll power through some of these clay ass
with the rival Dune three trade, which we talk about.
Would any of you try spice from Dune if getting
hooked on a hallucinenic drug meant the gift of foresight?
Would you get hooked on that drug? I think I
know you're he said, Taylor, I think I know your answer,
which he's not here, but he didn't need to be.
We know he would. He would be one the gift
of foresight? But yeah, what would you? Would you be
fucking with drugs that give you the gift of foresight?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: This is a very interesting, like am I in this world?
Like like we're following the Dune rules? This is the
like we got a rackuss, we got all of this.
Is that this how this works?
Speaker 2: Or it's just.
Speaker 4: Would any of you try the spice from Dune if
getting hooked? Yeah? He never said if you were there,
So I'm just assuming that Ned leads from Spider Man
selling the spices from Done and you can buy it
from him. That's it's legal toos, it's illegal.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't really say. It's like like they
don't really talk. I mean the books might, but they
don't really get in the nitty gritty of like the
permanent health issues that might come with it, Like do
you get lung cancer from from huffing some from some spice.
I'm sure it can't be good. It's not natural, but
it's natural to the planet of Oracus. But like I'm
also not from that planet, so it might have some
harsh Taking all those factors out of it, and you know,
let's just say it's really worried.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna have a drug users.
Speaker 1: There's a very just just random at a party, somebody
hands me something, they say, hey, hit this, there's some
spice from Dune. I feel like I would be interested.
I feel like I would try it. Yeah, why not?
I know your answer? Your clean cut. You're boring.
Speaker 4: No, there's two ways not boring. It's called health. I
got the I got the Alaska.
Speaker 1: Monitor home monitor.
Speaker 4: Over here, this guy I got the Alaska better than
everyone shoulder. You see how Hold had that SHOWLDO show.
That's the fucking straight edge, straightedge.
Speaker 1: I got four edp.
Speaker 4: I have. I've been straightedge from my entire life. Not
a drawn of liquor, cigarette, anything like that. A bunch
of different reasons. Health reasons growing out. People A bunch
of people always tell me I was gonna do it
because I grew up in high school was very people
doing fucking cocaine high school and just very druggy. If
like you'll do it, you'll do it eventually. Even my
father in law has been like, oh, he'll drink one day,
don't worry. It's like not like you, peeple, don't get
me worried.
Speaker 1: He'll get past the space.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna be fucking plaster when you marry him.
You want to know, that's how I got the fuck
it's no again. And I'm the one of those like,
don't do it. I'm more of that on fucking religion.
I don't care what you put in your body. I'm
putting my own stuff in my body. So taking that
aside though, And I think, like I've always said, like
if I ever get the diagnosis of like the Walter
White like lung cancer six months, that's when I'm like,
all right, give me, give me that cocaine, give me
that weed, like, and then I'll try something like rum.
I love the smell rum. The smell of rum real interesting.
Oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: People were beer.
Speaker 4: Though, like anytime, you know, like the no, And that's
where that's that's what's cool now is when non alcoholic
stuff I can have people try that and be like,
what does this taste similar? And when people like I
think the last time we had our summer get to
get they're like someone of the zeros I can't remember
it was you or Kyle with some of the Corona zeros.
I try one of those and so I said, oh,
they're just like that. I'm like, well, these fucking suck.
Like I don't think i'd be a beer guy. Minute, No,
I didn't. That probably would have helped. That probably would help. Yeah,
Or my dad was a big beer guy. He didn't
drink anymore now either, but like he was a big
beer guy. And that's the thing where but this is
a different question, right, This is not to me like
a drug. This is like the the aspect of like
you get the gift of foresight thing. I think that's interesting.
I always would love to have some sort of power.
There was a point in my life, Kirklam that I
did want to look into some voodoo and ne Orleans.
I decided not to touch the stuff, but I did
want to look in and get in that culture and
see what's going on. I think gift to foresight, though
I don't know if I want to mess with that.
I think it's that chicken egg scenarios. You see something,
you know, if I if I see myself pushing Kirkling
down the stairs, is that always gonna happen? Or do
we make events that happened to me to get to
push Kirkling down the stairs?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: I think that's the thing. Like the same thing if
I knew the day I die, that could be great
because you could for that have anything deck in row. No, Okay,
I got twenty five years, I gotta do this. This
is this prior towards what is like important. But at
the same time, that would fuck with you. You would
think about that could make you sad, depressed. So I
think foresight that's the problem where there's an aspect of
me though like that, but I feel like it's just
you see one bad vision and you're just fucked and
then I think you go down that rabbit hole if
you're just trying to get more visions, so like context,
what's going on or what's led up to that you know,
and just like you just never know. So I'm not
like a everything in life happens for a reason type
of guy, but I am kind of There's just there's
some odd coincidences in life where you know, if you
don't turn I think I believe more and almost the
multiverse aspect of because there's just too many scenarios, right.
Minimally have talked about this before because we have different Definitely,
what's your definition of a soulmate?
Speaker 1: Kirkland, what's my definition of a soulmate?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Because me Andimally have different definitions. We that's what we
figured out we was talking about.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think it's a one of
one thing like some people might me either, go find that, but.
Speaker 4: She just thought so many men with the person who
spent your whole life with, like if you met them
and like, oh that's my soulmate, like you you become
the soulmate where I feel like to me, so it's
always been there's only one person out there forever, like
like you're not.
Speaker 1: Gonna find that's your definition?
Speaker 4: Yeah to me? So not no, no, not my definition.
But I've always took it as is that's like it's
fate You've met this person where for me it's like
if I didn't end up homeless in the Yukon, which
you could say is fate, but like I don't apply
it best buy, and then I don't meet Emily. If
the Yukon job never goes away, I could be I
could never even meet Emily because she lived in vern
a different city, right, So that's what it's like. It's
hard for me to believe that, like, no matter what,
we had always met and I'm and I think it's
always arrogant for me to be like, oh, there's no
one else in this world, eight billion people that Emily
could have met and been like fill in love with
their married and everything. Right. So that's why I don't
believe in that sense of like a soulmate, where there's
someone out there that's you're gonna find that that that's
your destiny to get that person, right, because you take
a left, your life playing changes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like in this adventure that is your life,
you took all those paths to lead you to to hear.
So then you can make the argument, well, and that
is your soulmate because all of your all of your decisions.
Speaker 4: Although you know, I like to think is free will,
though it just happened. I wasn't destined to find her.
Speaker 1: I I come with like a mixed mind of like
I think things do happen for a reason, but I
think you still have to put yourself in those situations
to like really get the wheel moving. But like, man,
the universe just does things. Like sometimes yes, I feel
like I feel like I don't like most of the
coincidences probably happened, but like most of the time, I
feel like there's just there's just things that play. Who
knows various stuff that maybe there's there's yeah, well.
Speaker 4: And that's where the fund is well, and that's where
it comes with the whole like dreams in deja vu.
That shit fucks me up to all times, like why
am I having this?
Speaker 1: That does make it absolutely especially when it's like, you know,
for a fact, I've never been in this situation before,
Like to a t everything is happening, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole matrix. And so that's why not even
the drug sing I just wouldn't take be is I
need the gift to foresight. There's too much, there's too
much that could mess with you. I guess I'm not
that type of person, and I think that'd be you'd
have to ask a different times. I guess right. Maybe
if I was single, no family, kids, it'd be different.
But like Lady Jessica and Dune, she has the power
to take that in. I don't know if I could,
I think even then, I don't know if I want
to hear people's prophecies, right Like, I don't know if
I want that power to see a bunch of futures,
even my own, and then try to not hinker with that,
because I feel like you would. That would mess you
up no matter what you saw, if you saw the
person you got married to, or your death or some
big event, I think that would change things in your life.
Speaker 1: So it absolutely would. Yes, But I'm curious. I'll try.
I'll take a hit of that.
Speaker 4: I'm curious. Uh two in three, what do you think
of Astralia Kirklan? Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, this one's fucking hypes. I am very blind
on this one. I haven't looked at the posters. Uh yeah,
Hidalgo told me not to. He says that there's a
pretty decent spoiler in the posters. He was getting pretty
heated about it.
Speaker 2: There is one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I learned about it because of that. I was like,
why why does this look like that?
Speaker 1: But I see Yeah, but uh so I have taken
this poster. I knew you were gonna pull some up
like that, but we have to blur that for the
the YouTube we're gonna get pulled.
Speaker 4: It's not jen before. It hasn't happened yet, So I
think it was so far away video for that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, it's it's still just so hype. I
I love the first movie. The second movie was like
even better of an experience. I feel like at that
time too, I like rewatched the first one, so I
kind of understood a little bit more about what was
going on. Uh, you know, compared to somebody that reads
reads the book. I'm still just blind going into this.
But holy fuck, like the cast it like, come on,
we got more deep polytrates like on your Tailor's in
here now, like like all of the pieces in here, Denise,
Like this is gonna be another ten out of ten.
I I think if it's not, it's gonna be a
really really upsetting for us at least time for me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have to relive this fucking Golden geeg single.
Speaker 1: Two that you got to be there with me, you know,
next time for the on the review.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was tough alone defending between those two. But yeah,
this trailer was so ipe.
Speaker 2: Uh oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm gonna say, you kill my train
of thought.
Speaker 4: You're talking about people being back, Momo's back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Momo's back. Seems like there's gonna be
a big clash between Paul and uh Johnny I think
that's her name. Yeah, it was cute shot.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what's very interesting, right. I love when he's like, oh,
I'm prepared to die, just not today. And that's where
I don't know when they are when they're in the tent,
have to be in this trailer and he's like holding her.
Do you think are they having an affair throughout? Because
I think they've said this takes place seventeen years after
doing two, which is crazy because like, I know they're
gonna put some makeup on these people, but like teammate
did not like seven years seventeen years older, like you
got to you gotta do some more makeup. But like,
do you think those are time in between that they
were maybe having a fit because like he marries Florence
Pugh and then because they were in love, right, but
he kind of did, like as a power play to
marry Florence Peugh, right, kind of unite the families. Do
you think they were having a fair in that time?
Do you think that's a flashback to when they were
together in some of their children or do you think
it's like a dream like when they do have those
visions and sometimes they come true, sometimes they don't write
because they showed even in June One, there's visions that
guy that he killed, Remember at the end of the
movie when he kills that guy, he is having visions
the whole time about him, like that guy taking him
under his wing and like training him and everything. Right,
So it's like, that's what I'm curious about. I think
I leaned towards their visions maybe, but I could see
them maybe having an affair in that time too, right,
because you know, seventeen years, I don't know how much
him and Pee love each other. So what do you
take from that when.
Speaker 6: They were in the tent there, Yeah, I mean it
had just the whole feel of those trippy, like those
trippy dream sequences of like this this is like a
future that didn't really happen, or might happen or or
you know something like that, like we've seen like the
comparison you brought up.
Speaker 1: Seventeen years like that. I didn't know about that long
of a time gap. I assume there was one, especially
like thinking about who Anya's character is, yes, yeah, yeah, exactly,
Uh who, I guess she's supposed to be seventeen years
old in this even though like probably older than to me,
like in real life.
Speaker 4: It's like Florence Pugh fucking playing a ten year old
and yeah, I'm all over. I guess it's I just
say it's space magic. You know, they push differently on
a racus and everything.
Speaker 1: So for sure, I think you might be right about
the I'm not saying that's your theory or if you
believe that, but just some people have been saying that, Uh.
Speaker 4: There's some sort of but it's weird, Like to me,
he's always having visions about the future, right, so I
don't think he'd be having visions about the past has
already changed, right, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: And also like Paul from the like the last act
of the second movie when he drinks the blue stuff,
compared to where he was any other period of the
Dude Adventure, like he's just such a different person now
from that point on. Yes, And I think I think
he's gonna be even more extreme in this third movie,
even more like Taranqua and like probably seem like a
villain like he he's like talking in absolutes, only a
Sith speaks in absolutes like.
Speaker 4: Very akin if he were to feed the amper type
of vibe, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's gonna be felt like he's
going to be really cold compared to what we've seen
in the past, and I think that goes against what
we saw of that scene in the tent. And even
if it is like a like an earlier memory, compared
to where he was when he's got the fucking slim,
shady shaved head and his face hat and looking all
mean looking at the camera. I miss that he's got
a little something under his eyebrow. I thought I was
sick tear drop, but it was just like a it's
like a tattoo. It looks permanent.
Speaker 4: Really, I thought it was just a scratch that I
don't think that's permanent.
Speaker 1: Take a looking, let me know what you think. But yeah,
so so comparing where he was at the end of
the last movie as well as kind of what's shown here.
It seems to kind of clash with that tense sequence
for me, like it doesn't seem like that's something that
he would really be doing, even though at the end
of the last movie, like he still felt like there
was some Paul in there, right, like when he speaks
to Johnny before he clashes. I don't know, Yeah, I
think they could just still be a tattoo, could still
be muck.
Speaker 4: It could be a tattoo.
Speaker 1: I guess, we'll see, we'll see. It could be some
warm juice. Who knows. But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was like trying to say, some horrifying pictures of
them can.
Speaker 1: Zoom in a def video viewers.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm I'm scared. I'm scared of what's gonna
be going on with Paul here because I I love
this character and they do such a good job of
like telling his his story, uh through these Deny movies.
But yeah, I'm I'm so pumped though, man, Like when
there's like that clash with like the samurai looking people
and like the other faction just going at it, like
this is just gonna be like I'm chilling. I'm chilling already. Yeah,
well I gotta I gotta scroll and get this.
Speaker 2: Going, man yokey.
Speaker 1: Like that was that was going while I was watching
this trailer.
Speaker 4: So that though, that's the problem though that they didn't
have She wasn't belting the stumers more than she comes back,
I hope. So they were saying, there was like it
was his chanting that was used as the music. But yeah, no,
I have nothing but good things to say. I trust
any Like, we were talking about the hype and things
that could go wrong. Sure, that could happen. That always
happens in movies. Where do you think something's gonna go
completely right? Like, I don't get me wrong if you
I still love the movie. I defend the movie all
the time. But only the Dark Knight Rise is as
perfect as I was kind of hoping it was. Right
on the lead up to that movie, I thought, oh man,
it's Nolan bad McGinn's Dark Knight and I always again
grade them on the curve. The guy Dave Ledger, he
had changed the whole fucking script. It's like, wikona forever.
I'm never gonna really go hard against that, right, But
that's why it's like, yeah, I kind of love that
to be a bit more tighter of a movie, right,
so and doing three Kids to be that when I
hear it's getting weird, I feel like when things get weird,
I've heard people be like, this is gonna be very
hard to adapt on screen. That's not like a I'm
not worried because I trust the need. But at the
same time, that's still like, okay, if things go wrong,
I can see like I'm prep for it, right if
I'm sitting there and I go, oh, this is more
like a nine out of ten or eight point five.
I don't think that hurt is bad because just some
people have said it's gonna be a hard adaption. But
visuals look great, acting looks great. This cast is fucking stacked.
I'm excited to see why and how my Mo's back.
I think I got somewhat of a general idea. I'm
excited to see a pew in there. But man, out
of everybody, maybe other than Timmy who, you know, he's
gonna be coming like a raging bowl lost at a oscar.
But this is not gonna be a fucking surprising thing
to say. But who I'm most excited for fucking Baddison man,
Robert Passon, look at that trailer that's.
Speaker 1: Sees what's that haircut?
Speaker 4: He's like, you can do it, you buzz and then
you can do that, and then I forgive yourself the Timmy.
You could easily do the Timmy bulb for Halloween. Man.
You know you get the black hair, so get that
stuff going on.
Speaker 2: All but.
Speaker 1: A darker branches.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, I never noticed. You never stood in the
right light, I guess. But yeah, I think he's gonna
and it's gonna be tough too, right because awesome Butler,
no slouch. Awesome Butler fucking destroyed it and doing too.
He was incredible. So it's not like an easy and
even stellone Scarscar is a bear, and so it's like
Passant has like a like a tough two tough acts
to follow. But I think he could do it. Obviously
he did not get to the final four, but he
made the Best Actor thirty two March Mans for a reason.
In my case, I think he's one of the best
out there. So I think he made it to the
I think he made it to the third. There's five rounds.
I think he made round three. I think he got
kicked out at I think he got beat by Pugh
funny enough, so but yeah, I can't say enough good things.
Very excited and uh yeah, I hope he moves up,
don't'ber hope it's on the same day, hopefully change weeks,
but we will see. All right, We're gonna just do
I'm just gonna reveal the thing, and then I don't
know if Dared Devil's gonna happen, because you know quickly,
because there's gonna be all the time we do news.
We're not gonna get a long while like we do usually,
because this cast went way longer than I expected for
just two people. Any quick predictions Dared Devil moments, people
are gonna die. You're looking forward to that starts next Tuesday,
and asked us, where are you feeling on Daredevil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't believe.
Speaker 4: Sorry, next Tuesday, Yeah, five days now.
Speaker 1: Uh well, that's a shock, even though I feel like
you just told me this like less than a week ago,
and I said the exact same thing. I'm like, I
can't believe it's coming so fast Tuesday.
Speaker 4: I am excited tonight. What can't be.
Speaker 1: I'm very excited for it. I feel like i'm I'm
just peeking on this universe. Even though I'm not like
rewatching dared Devil. I feel like Punishers kind of an
adjacent you know, like some crossover characters. Turk was in
the season.
Speaker 4: Of Characters Worn Again.
Speaker 1: You know that'd be cool, that'd be cool for sure.
I mean, I don't think Fisk is gonna be the
mayor anyway. That'll be my starting prediction, So.
Speaker 4: I guess with what I can expand upon that. Do
you think he dies jail Lee's country?
Speaker 1: What do you think I think he's doing stuff. I
think he's like preoccupied.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think like even if he like lost his mayorship,
I don't think he's like down and out and like defeated, like,
oh man, how I am ever going to get back
on my toes again? Like it's like a move like
he's not the mayor because he's got he's got to
do kind of other things or maybe whatever. Like like
I I I think he kind of has his finger
on the pulse anyways with the managing of I mean,
he always does. He's the kingpin, right, Like, even even
if he's not the mayor, he's still like pulling the strings.
It seems for the majority of the city.
Speaker 4: But you had problems before, you know, sometimes you think
his plans are too big.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, at least like the way that it's executed.
I've had some issues with it, but I mean, I
still love the Vincent Dunafrio or however're saying his name
these days. So yeah, I'm so excited to just see
kind of what he's unraveling. Oh my god, Vanessa, there
you go. That's her.
Speaker 4: Na she get any more hands from different guys in
the season.
Speaker 1: I don't, I know, I don't think they'll find a
new Adam for her, but yeah, I'm just curious to
see what's going on with those two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Fisk will. I guess it's tied together.
There is a story arc. I can't remember what the
technical name of it, but it's one of the best
story arcs ever. I'm really hoping that Matt Murdock ends
up in prison at the end of season because I
think there's so much juice for to imagine you, as
Daredevil getting exposed and then you go to prison with
all those people he helped fucking put away, and what
I would say those I would love him and fists
to be in there together. I don't know how you
get there because in that storyline, fisk is not in
there with them as far as I can remember, so
that's not in the comic books. I'm just thinking of
way how you can get rid of f b Mayor.
Don't think he should ever kill fisk Off. He should
either be in a coma away or in prison. Think
you should always seem there as a bad thing until
they ever go. Like if they were to say, hey,
Secret Wars is the full reset and we aren't doing
anything more with Fit like this version of fisical then
and Matt than sure you can kill him off, but
right now, I think you always got to keep him
around because he's a great character. That's why I'd love
is for them both to end up in prison, and
especially Matt. I would love Matt to end up in prison.
And there's other heroes coming back. You have Jessica Jones.
I feel like we're gonna see other Netflix characters. I'd
love to see Turk, but I could see maybe get
Luke Cage.
Speaker 2: Maybe.
Speaker 4: I think Luke Cage is more likely because you've got
Jessica Jones in there. But I'm very excited to see
Christian Richard and Jessica Jones back. I love that first season,
but that shows very rocky, but she's never rocky. She's
one of the best castings they did in that era,
and I guess say, like probably the second best next
to or it's sounding bad, it's probably fourth best now
because I feel like it's like Bernthall, Donofrio Cox then her.
But still she's in the mount Rushmore. That's what I'll say,
right and I'll still say she's want the best moral castings.
So I'm interesting what they do with her and if
they spin on her off do something. But that's what
I would like Matt. I'd like him to uh to
end up in prison and maybe doing something a little
bit different. I'm not looking too forward to him and
Karen because I'm not Karen and Matt TV show shipper.
I'm a Punisher and Karen TV show shipper. But you know,
we'll see what happens. Do you think because people speculate
this is foggy he's back in the season right now
just flashbacks. Do you think he stays dead or is
there a is there a way back for him? U?
Speaker 1: Sorry, they showed him in the street. I don't remember.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's they've prefer those back for flashbacks. But some
people go like, oh, are they just because there's one
story in the com books where they did fake Foggy's death,
So because remember we talked about in the reviews that
can't Yeah, so do you think they'll go with that route?
Do you think they're gonna keep him dead?
Speaker 1: I could see both avenues. I personally hope they keep
them dead, and I am gonna lean that way with
my prediction as well. I think flashbacks is totally fine,
especially when Matt's down and out and you can have
like a little inner dialogue with Foggy. But yeah, I
just bring him back. It just seems like a lazy
way to just to just yeah, well we kind of
reckon our idea. We don't actually want to kill him off,
so we're just gonna bring him back. And even if
there was a comic book version of that, I just
don't think it fits for how they executed the whole
Foggy death from the from the previous season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's for me, it's a double where I don't
I'm not the biggest fan of that Foggy character. When fine,
if he dies and we got a lot of characters
going on, right, If they're gonna bring back I think
they bring they're bringing back when the cops. I can't
remember his name from the Daredevil show, so the one
that always helped, like ban Foggy, so he's back. You
got Cherry, You're gonna have Jessica Jones. So I'm cope
other than flashbacks, even if they want to make him
like the hairy to his dexter, like, sure, if you
have Foggy Nelson, give him advice that way. Sure, I
don't want too much of it, but I don't really
want that flashback. Okay, let's do that, and then where
it is he can reminists about him. What about your
boy here? You know, oh Kirk's I see you again.
I gotta have warn you because I and I fucking
call this in the finale and I call this another
time too. And the show winner's even talked about it
that he's on like he's trying to do a redemption
arc like bulls Eye is like to himself, like they're saying,
it's very like Rocky, But I said the way when
he went back to fucking Nelson Murdoch and he just
like was all moping, like, oh my god, they're trying
to make this guy like have a babyface term and
like I don't. I actually don't know how I feel
about that. I don't mind him and Daredevil working together
because they have to. I don't know if I ever
really want him like with the good guys. I don't
think he can even buddy up with them because like
he killed Foggy, right, So I don't want to everyone
to see that, But I just I would rather him
just be the chast I love Bullseye. I'm a big
bull Eye defender. I think this is a great adaptation
of him. I think Wilson Bethel does an amazing job,
something like a hater like Kirkland. But I don't want
a moment where it's like I forgive you bulls, Like
I don't ever want that. And there's definitely a scene
one of those trailers where he's like picking Bullseye up
like they like link arms and he pulls them up.
So I I don't know. I hope, I hope that's
handled well. But I am very excited to see Bullseye again.
I just that's gonna be an interesting plot thread to
pull on. So how you feel about your favorite spoon thrower.
Speaker 1: Man, it's so funny, especially you know, I'm fresh off
season two Punish here this character and Billy Russo are
like very similar of a tear for me.
Speaker 4: You know, how do you feel about Jigs on seas
tune in episode he fucking sucks? He sucks the big
one man does he does? Remember? Yeah, I'll be like, yeah,
I think when this is over, I'm gonna put this
show over. Dared, I'm like, yeah, I just wait for
season two, Like like, I know you're gonna get to it.
But the fact that they do this whole build up
and then what they do Frank just walks up to
when he's down, out shoots him and then walks away. No, no,
no confrontation, no, nothing like Jigsaw some of the biggest one.
But I'm saying, have you we didn't talk this the
retro you were seen Parish or war Zone never. Okay,
Jigsaw is the bad guy, so it'll be fun for
you to compare.
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, I just is it still like Billy Russo?
Speaker 4: Like no, the Netflix version completely different origins. He's just
like a bobster, and that they gave him this hole
like he's the friend of Frank and the family and
all that stuff. It sucks because I like that guy
who plays him in the Netflix show, But that season
two stuff is just like and we're there he and
he's a he's saying an anachistic right, He's all into
the sex with like touching AWE's and everything like that
and bruises. It's like, we got thirteen episodes, what do
we do with only this year?
Speaker 1: Anyways? Why was I talking to a bility?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because fucking bullseye.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't love the character. I don't I definitely don't
love If we're going to try and do some sort
of redemption thing, I I hope he's just used as
a tool to like get things out of out of that,
whether it's emotion or just just I don't know, just
just make Matt question his own religion. I mean, he's
had to do that a couple of times throughout the show,
So it might just be rehashing what we've kind of
already seen before. I don't want to just say that
I'll never not hate this guy, but like it's just
it's just a goofy character to me, and.
Speaker 4: The redemption will be for you this year, maybe he'll
be on band.
Speaker 1: It could be. I obviously won't knock it till I
till I try it. Yeah, but yeah, well we'll see.
Hopefully it's it's used to a lesser degree for my
own sake.
Speaker 4: And I said that I'm hoping matt ends in prison
something like that. Where do you cause they're already filming
season three in March where you answered for Fisk, Where
do you think matt ends up just be the bad Yeah?
Do you think they just be the bad guys? And okay,
on to season three, new new team, or you think
it is a good even then do you think it's
like a solid ending to these stories or do you
think it's a cliffhanger of some sort.
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely leading somewhere. I don't think it'll
be like a closing to the book like Super just yeah,
his story's done. Yeah, I don't think he's gonna be
really like focusing on the law stuff, like it'll be
more to the Daredevil side. Don't really have like a
thought of like what that would be setting up, like
if he's just focusing more on the Daredevil stuff. But
that's I don't know. It just seems like we've done
a lot of the lawyer things, and I don't know,
it's it's not a not a weighted, weighted guess, but
that's my prediction.
Speaker 4: Do you think him and Karen are still together by
the end of season?
Speaker 1: Honestly, I kind of forgot that was the thing until
you reminded me. Yeah, we brought this up. Yeah I could.
I don't think Karen's gonna die or anything like that,
so it just seems like the easy, easy thing to do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think they're like together together now,
Like why else would you put like if the season's starting,
they're dancing and they're kissing, when you kind of have
this season end with them and the the next season.
So it's like I feel like, like what, Like, I
guess the only thing is and that's why I guess
I gotta ask you. The only thing I think you
could set up is the reason they're together, so we
can fucking kill her. I think with Foggy just dying,
I don't think you do that. I think you could
have her death in the future, but it won't feel
maybe redundant, but it just like almost two samesies, you know,
like so much. And I also feel like for the
people that did really like Foggy, I think you and
me are kind of like all right on Foggy, But
the people that love Foggy, I think those same people
love Karen, and I feel like those og Netflix sans
would feel really disenfranchised with the show. Is if like,
you killed Foggy and then the next season killed and
I think it would be I think they'd just be
a group like I would in person. And I don't
get wrong, I like Caring. I don't think you should
kill her off. I'm interested in the dynamic. And sure
this is they've never really fully like had to go
out right because when they dated in season two, Electric
came to town and that was all fucked up. So
like that was they had like two episodes where were
Caring and Matt were happy and then all went to shit, right,
And even then they're not gonna be happy. They're on
the run. I don't think I think I've said this
many times. I still love all this black suit dared
al stuff I'm seeing looks great, But yeah, I think
I think that's why I think my drama is if
it's Matt somewhere else or in prison, that's where it's like, oh,
they're happy together, but they're split apart, like something like that.
That's where I think it could go where I just
don't think this season. I don't see it ending with
like Fiscus behind bars and now we're buying a house
and and Matt I'm pregnant. Like I just don't think
that's a daredvel way. I think stories canna end, but
there's always like, uh, Matt Sills this fucking shit to
deal with, you know, like there's never he can never
get that happy ending, especially if they're already they plan
to shoot a season three. I think they said in May.
I'm not saying it's a cliff I just think they
know that, Okay, we kind of have an idea of
where we might want to go with some of these characters.
So yeah, we'll see. I'm I'm pretty excited. Some of
the early reactions have got me a bit more excited,
but I want to wait till actual views come out.
They come out the day of which I didn't love,
but I'm hoping that the stuff that I did love
last year or the last season is the majority of
the season, because obviously we talked about a million times
that season was very messy, and for me, there was
a couple episodes that were close to fail, whether it
was just the lack of excitement with that episode at
execution and especially some of those characters. I'll still never
forgive Matt Murder for exposing fucking white tiger in a
courtroom to everybody, Like, what a fucking fis of shit? Man, Like,
there's stuff that did happen in that show where it's
like that really hurt some things going forward. But I
hope that it is uh one of the better seasons
and uh yeah, I hope they went from their mistakes.
So all right, finally, Kirkland, let's do this. I'm sorry
that took a longer, but you know, blamespier Man, you know,
thank god this was on a four man panel. We've
being only an eight hour cast right now. Okay, I'm
gonna do this quickly because I didn't want to, but
I'm gonna have to. I've only had to do this once,
Kirkland to break ties in both the finals. I have
ties Timothy sha versus Killian Murphy. Fifty to fifty are
the votes from the patrons for the Best Actor. This
is super tough for me, I'm going to get your
opinion first. Your vote doesn't matter. I only do the
tie breakers, so your vote doesn't matter. But if you
were I no, no, no, no. The rule is I
make the tie because I don't vote on these at all.
I only do tie breakers. So that was my rule
of patrons. If you guys can't settle it, Tras comes in,
what would you vote for though, Killian Timothy best actor
the last ten years current day?
Speaker 1: Yeah, going to the finals, that's a that's a good comparison.
That's a good finals for sure. Or it's not the finals,
it's going.
Speaker 4: In semi finals. Yeah, the winner was the finals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one of them has an Oscar right
versus when not.
Speaker 4: Having that action. That's true.
Speaker 1: That's true, Sorry, Timmy. I mean I love both these
these gentlemen. They've They've both done some amazing piece of
work characters that I absolutely love. I feel like there's
no right answer, Like like I'm like about I felt
like I was about to give you an answer and
then I had to like stop myself as I'm like,
well what about what about this guy and his performances?
Cut like Killian, as Oppenheimer recently rewatched, I appreciate that
movie so much more on a second viewing, and he
is just he's just perfect. Mm hm, he's.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But like Peaky Blinders is in there, that's within the
last time, and there's Thomas.
Speaker 4: Dunkirk.
Speaker 1: Dunkirk, I don't really remember that much in there. Man, Honestly,
I'm gonna give it to Timmy here. I yeah, it's
it's crazy. I know it's not my vote, so it
doesn't matter at all. You're gonna be so you're going
Killian then by your reaction, is that what you're doing?
Speaker 4: Uh No, I'm going Timothy as well. I would. Here's
the thing.
Speaker 1: I think what Timothy purely for the reason of the
dune to speech when you're just yelling at everyone, because
I I love rewatching that scene. It gets me juiced up.
But anyway, sorry, give you a reason.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's that, And I think it's the
same thing. I've made this comparison before too. It's like,
if you gave the people the same script, who might
you get the better performance out of? And I still
think I might lean Killian, but I've had a big
vote going forward. Is I think just Timothy has that variety,
you know, where like there's some big things for Killian Murphy,
but I definitely feel like he's like on the smaller
chier for the past ten years. Even Peggy Blinders, that's tough.
Piggy Blinder is great, But like you look at Timothy
in the past ten years. I gotta listen and listen
to the varieties. Right, you got where is it here?
You got call Me by your Name, you got Lady Bird,
you got Hostiles, you got the King, you got little Women,
you got Dune part one, you got bones and all
you know, don't look up. You got Long Duning Part two,
a complete un known Mario Supreme. I think that's just
why I lean that way, because he just has a
bit more variety, where Like, I've not seen Killing play
like a very like fun, whimsical character like Wonka, Right,
And I'm not saying like that's better than what he's
doing in Pee Blinders or what he's doing in Uh
with the fuck in Oppenheimer. I think Wonka's is like
a fine movie. But like Timmy's really good at that, right,
and he's good at all the other stuff. So I'm
gonna give it a Timmy just for the variety. Again,
I still think Amastone should have beat Timmy, so I'm
pretty mad about that. But a last didn't happen. I
still have made Amastone go this route as well to win.
But no Timmy. I'm put him to the finals dining
with the Oscar, but you know, maybe he'll in the
March Madness pool other side fifty both of them tied.
Florence Pugh versus Leo Kirklin.
Speaker 1: Florence Pew versus Leo DiCaprio just in the last ten years, right.
Speaker 4: Last and years twenty fifteen to now. And you're gonna
say that because you're gonna I know what you're thinking.
He's trying to think, Oh, well, that's why one pick
Leo last ten years. But if you read Leo's last
ten years, I argue on, trust that's his best time
in his career.
Speaker 1: Give me some highlights. I don't want to google this.
Speaker 4: I can't. It's it's just The Revenant.
Speaker 1: No, hang on, of course, just The Revenant. I didn't
like that movie at all.
Speaker 4: When I'm an Oscar, though, it's back in theaters too.
If you want to give it another go nope for
its ten year anniversary this week. Okay, hang on last
ten years. Okay, oh shit, don't do this to me.
Why would it lest his work as a producer? First,
fuck off? One to be I'm looking for acting work.
Speaker 1: Okay, it sucks sometimes it does.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, last year, so you didn't like that. But
he was in the Revenant, Okay, once upon a Time
in Hollywood, don't look up Killers the flower Moon. One
battle after another. So he's only done one, two, three, four,
five things. But those five things are incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Pew has everything from like Hereditary.
Speaker 4: To well, she was never in Hereditary, so she doesn't
have that.
Speaker 1: What do I think of midsmar Yeah, it's late, they make.
Speaker 4: Outlacking family stuff or fight of family, Mids More Little Women,
Black Widow, the Wonder, don't worry.
Speaker 1: So fantastic. But Leo has the better projects, so I
think I'm gonna have to lean to him. But I'm
curious what you're leaning Pew. Boys for life, But like,
gotta be honest with myself here, come on, how good
is Leo? Once more time? Oba Oba oba oba fuck
you now, man?
Speaker 4: But could she do could she not do that role?
You don't think she could do that role?
Speaker 1: It would be a very different type of character I think,
but she could do a version of it.
Speaker 4: I just feel like it's tough.
Speaker 1: You're leaning pew, you're leaning peugh because you think that
she could do the same in all these roles once
upon time in Hollywood.
Speaker 4: She could just feel like I lose so much on Hollywood.
She could definitely do Ricked all I think, where like
I don't could Leo do?
Speaker 1: I don't think she could do Ricked. I don't think
she could do could Leo do mid Mar?
Speaker 4: I don't think he could.
Speaker 1: It's so hard because it's like.
Speaker 4: That scene where she's crying hyper vanilating. Is Leo doing that?
Speaker 1: M hm, it's it's it's it's a tough comparison though,
because she writes is he riding versus a male role?
Speaker 4: That scene?
Speaker 1: I just picture they're they're the scene an naked Leo
just ride Killian. I would pay to see that. I
I don't think it's an easy comparison at all. I
think they're very very different type of style that they
bring to a role.
Speaker 4: Like and even then you don't even like remnut so
Revenant that takes them down to four and then don't
look up is like, you know what I'm gonna. I
think the reason I'm gonna because not just to lose credibility.
I think the reason why it's gonna be like the
Killing Thing, I am gonna give it to Pew because
I am a peop boy for life, but one battle
of another, don't look up Once upon Time Hollywood, and
even Killers of the Flower Moon. I'm losing it because
we're gonna late. He's lately been doing a lot like
the comedic bumbling idiot role, where Pew has again more
variety of like like Yolena Don't Worry Darling, which is
not a great movie, but still her in that movie
Midsomar ofp On I'm for the small Bitch, she's in
it where Leo. All those roles are in like a
very similar Venn diagram, like especially like one battle after
another once upon Time Hollywood. That's a similar type of care,
not exactly, but the kind of in Overhead Idiot, very comedic. Right.
So as much as I'm all about life, man, life
and again remnant once a time, I don't look because
I mean one about another five projects, great projects, but
he cuts off there, So I think I think I'm
gonna go with Pew I'm going to go with the future.
I'm gonna make the finals Tinny shell May versus.
Speaker 1: Florence Peugh, that's a good finals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even though I just feel like P's gonna eat
him up. I us don't reveal who, but I feel
like I feel like if I put Leo in there,
it's closer. So I would want to do that to
make the poll closer. But I'm not going to do
that for the sanctity myself. But I feel like Pew.
You can't argue that she can't give a great performance
to drop the dime, you.
Speaker 1: Know, absolutely, I mean it. It's such a tough splitting
of the hairs, right.
Speaker 4: She's amazing little woman, you know.
Speaker 1: With Timmy, she's yeah, a little ten year old.
Speaker 4: Play little ten year old foot?
Speaker 2: Can Leo do that?
Speaker 4: Mama Da? Could he do that?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 4: He couldn't?
Speaker 1: He could?
Speaker 2: He could?
Speaker 4: I don't. I think Leo would look at that script
he put it down, He's slide back over.
Speaker 1: There's a universe where he just plays the Timothy Shallome
role in like the nineties, like young lad Yes.
Speaker 4: But in this route when they ask to play a
little kid, he takes a little Papa's little what are
those called. I'm fucking playing no ten year old, like
the no fucking way Leo is playing a ten year
old kid. But Florence did that convincedly obviously not maybe
at any point, like at the same age as in
his twenties, is he playing ten year old kid? I
don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just a movie called Little Men. You got Leo
in there, you got a fucking Viso del Toro. Who
else is in there? You gotta have those two for sure,
and then you'd have to have a female that would
be like the Timmy roll, right, you gotta get the
that could be Florence also.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that could be playing so you gotta get the
adjacent So I don't think Benisio fits in Little Little Man,
and I think it's you know, it's still gonna be
all four white men, right like it's like him, it's
Brad Pitt. It's him and Brad Pitt for sure.
Speaker 1: It could be the older one.
Speaker 4: Clooney could be in there, and then fuck because the
Rebnick could put Tom Hardy in there and make him
do something, make him play the ten year old. He'll
fucking do it that, you know, That's what I mean.
Speaker 2: Oh, fuck.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who's the one that dies?
Speaker 7: Spoilers for Little Men, Yeah, Chared Leto or some ship
like that, like a familiar face that you know, Yeah,
you just get sickly.
Speaker 4: No, who No, I'd be like Matt Damon or something
like that. Get the get the Ocean's Boys back together
and make Matt Damon pass away. Oh well, I'm trying
to think there's anybody else older that world.
Speaker 1: We're just pitching The Little Men, you know, two hours
and forty minutes into our weekly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is, and I don't know why we did.
We also didn't pitch an age appropriate like Florence Peter
Leo is not an age appropriate.
Speaker 1: It would have to be like Julia Roberts, right, she
was in the Oceans.
Speaker 4: Movie, Yeah, exact, or Kate Win's it Titanic. Yeah, it's
one of those two. And then Sean Pan's gonna play
the dad my Little Men.
Speaker 1: It's like the scene of her when he's like wrestling
the Hobbits.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he wins to give you the whatever Church brothers
present to you, and then he walks and my little Men,
he is shaking him with his big muscles.
Speaker 2: Get out here.
Speaker 4: I love them, I love my sons.
Speaker 1: You wish I died instead of instead of Chared Letto's character,
don't you father?
Speaker 4: I hope if they do remake Lord of the Rings movies,
fucking Sean Penn plays for sure.
Speaker 2: Your posts.
Speaker 4: All right, we gotta stop. We're going too far. Ah.
This is it this weekly geek. As you see, we
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Speaker 2: Wait, dad, tell me. I'm this guy. I'll talk about this.
I'm about something to say.