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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Crystal. Crystal,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Hi there, it's nice to be here.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's great, haven't you. We appreciate your time. Crystal,

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Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am thirty five years old. I do a

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lot of volunteer in my community, and I do have

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a part time job as a cook at the Senior Center,

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So I cook for a community that comes into the

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diner and I cook for delivery home meals for our

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seniors in the community. I have two kids and that's

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my full time job. I love being a mom and

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I'm very active with my kids. I have a German

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Shepherd service dog who is just absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 2: If anyone listening is wondering if Crystal is as nice

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as she seems to be, yeah she definitely is. Trust

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me on that. Yeah, you definitely are.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. And if you remember everyone listening, that

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is when Dan came on last week and talked about

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that friend of his who also had an encounter that

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was really similar to the one that he had. Well,

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he was talking about Crystal here with that in mind. Crystal,

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how did you two meet?

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Speaker 1: Well, we were coworkers, probably about thirteen years ago, out

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of pizzeria, and we remained friends for a very long time.

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In about ten years and do our friendship or so,

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we started dating. We are no longer dating, We are

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back to being friends. But I still consider him one

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of my very best friends.

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Speaker 2: He's a great guy too. I'm so glad you two met.

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But if you know him that well, you'd probably be

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the perfect person to get some dirt on old Dan,

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wouldn't you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no comment, Noel, Oh come.

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Speaker 2: On, give me something now, I can hold it over

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his head that way.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'll do enough of that for the both of us.

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Speaker 2: I hear you. I heard that. Crystal. You were five

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or six when you had your first dog me an encounter.

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What was life like for you back then?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Well, I was an average adventure child, but I

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had the benefit of living in a home that was

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surrounded by the woods, So I would describe my childhood

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as being a fay of the forest. From sun up

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till sundown. I was out in those woods, climbing in

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ravines and chomping through the creek. And even though I

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was a very happy child, I did have a little

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bit of a not so healthy home life. So my

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love for the woods was just as much a part

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of the forest as it was a happy escape for me.

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Speaker 2: You poor thing. I can understand why you did spend

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so much time out in the woods after talking with

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you about what you went through back then. Like I said,

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poor thing, But of course we're going to get into

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that later on. Considering everything that happened to you out

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there in the forest, which of course we're going to

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talk about as well. At one time, before those things

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happened or that happened, you said that you felt a

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strong connection to the woods. But after you had that

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first experience, which did take place in the woods, was

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that connection lost at least to a certain degree, or

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did you keep it? I, you know, for a small

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Speaker 1: I think there was some healing. I don't think it

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was very long. I can't remember exactly, but I did

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have a small disconnect where I had to build back

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my bravery. But honestly, I think my connection to the

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forest became even stronger. I felt a strong connection before

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and after that wasn't touched. But I do think that

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the experience brought a whole new one.

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Speaker 2: Well that's great. Yeah, that's much better than being tormented

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over the years and having a really hard time dealing

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with the experiences that you had, So thank goodness for that. Yes,

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it sure seems like dogmen are drawn to you for

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whatever reason. Do you have any theories and why that

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Speaker 1: You know, as a child, I had a very spiritual

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belief system in regards to nature. I was that child

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that would whisper to the water and leave offerings for

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animals and the trees alike, and burying treasures in the woods.

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spirit of the forest that was visiting me. Uh And

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I really thought that it was because of my love

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of the forest. As an adult, looking back, you know,

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I wonder if these creatures, you know, perhaps were watching

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me for far longer than I knew, and perhaps we're

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aware of my vulnerability in the situation I was in

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at home.

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Speaker 2: Like I told you before, I'm pretty sure they were

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watching you for a long time. I give pretty good

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money on that bed. I don't know that for sure,

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but I'm pretty darn sure they were. When you tried

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to tell your parents about that first encounter. Unfortunately they

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didn't believe you. Did that wound you or were you

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able to handle that fairly?

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Speaker 1: Well? Oh, it absolutely wounded me, And I think it

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wounded me in terms of, you know, my dog man

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encounter and healing from it. I do think not being

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believed and you know, being made to feel that it

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was me being crazy or my imagination being strong stronger

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than my logic. I believe it also affected me coming

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forward with other stories in my life, you know, not

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just with creatures of the forest and dog Man, but

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even experiences with humans. I think it took me a

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long time, well into my adulthood, to feel comfortable with

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owning my story and not letting other people's beliefs gaslighting

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me into changing how much I have faith in myself.

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Speaker 2: Well, like they say, I do believe there is a

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lot of truth to that old adage that what doesn't

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kill you will make you stronger. Maybe not right off

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the bat when a traumatic experience happens, but down the road.

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That's normally how it goes, And when I think about

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how frightening that encounter the second encounter was, I'm just

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glad that you were able to come to terms with

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it as quickly as you were, as that was a

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frightening encounter. I mean, that would have put a lot

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of people over the edge. I don't know that there

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are that many people who could have possibly come back

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from an experience like that, but you did, And thank Goodness.

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Speaker 1: For that, absolutely, thank goodness.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely. Did you experience behavioral issues due

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to those dog man experiences and how your parents responded

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to you reaching out to them for help.

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Speaker 1: You know, I haven't ever thought of it that way,

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but I do think I did experience some behavioral issues,

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and maybe not in the sense of throwing tantrums or

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anything like that. I do think I had a more

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silent separation anxiety. Even though I didn't have a very

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emotional connection from my parents, I still felt protected by them,

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so I did break rules in order to feel comforted.

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I was not allowed in their bedroom and at night

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I would army crawl under their bed in order to

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sleep with my blanky and things like that. I definitely

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would sneak around and even if they were downstairs and

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I was supposed to be in my room, I would

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sneak and I'd go lay in a closet to be

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close to them. So I don't think I had a

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lot of behaviors that they necessarily noticed. I did break

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rules in order to have comfort that I did not

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get from them outwardly.

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Speaker 2: It's understandable why you went to those links, like sneaking

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under their bed at night and sleeping there. It's just

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a shame you had to do that because they weren't

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supporting you and trying to help you. Although even if

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they would have tried to help you, when you consider

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what happened when you had that second encounter, you might

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have still had those problems. But it sure would have

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been nice if they would have been supportive, which they

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unfortunately weren't. Did you avoid spending time in the woods

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for a time after having that first encounter or did

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you continue going in?

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Speaker 1: I did, and you know, I think from the gaslighting

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from my parents, as well as just being a small

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child and not being able to internalize things as a whole,

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I did very much so separate the first experience from

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the second. So when I returned to the forest and

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was tramping around in the woods. I was more so

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thinking of my first experience as being real and not

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so much the second one. I think it was not

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until I discussed things with Dan and I learned about

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dog Man where I felt comfortable with trusting my own experience,

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my own memory, and letting myself just truly believe what

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I experienced in my second encounter.

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Speaker 2: You sure did do a great job of putting the

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pieces together so you could come to terms with all this.

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Thank goodness for that. But as intelligent as you are,

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I think that helped a lot. I really do.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Oh you're welcome. If you've had a Dogman encounter that

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you'd like to speak with me about, whether in private

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or on the show, please go to Dogmanancounters dot com

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and submit a report. All right, Crystal, please tell us

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about your encounters. Now give us everal last detail that

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Speaker 1: All right. Well, like I said, I was a forest fan,

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so I was just trumping around and frolicking, and I

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did that quite frequently. I knew the woods around my

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property like the back of my hand. I had a

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lot of friends, but most of them were a mile

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or up to three miles away from my home, and

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being as young as I was, I was not allowed

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to walk on the highway, So I don't know how

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at such a young age, I don't know if I

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could do it as easily now as an adult even.

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I would find my friend's property through back trails in

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the woods that weren't normally used by humans. So on

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this particular day, I don't think I was even heading

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to a friend's house. I was just loving my church

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of the woods, and I would frequently go up steep ravines,

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and you know, I was looking for fossils that day.

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had a very steep embankment on one side, and like

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I said, it was hot out, so I would tramp

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around and climb, and when I got hot or dirty,

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I would jump in the creek. And it wasn't super deep,

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so I would, you know, lay on my stomach and

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just kind of crawl around and swim in the shallows

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down the creek. And so I was in no means

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being quiet. I was definitely being a rambunctious child, bouncing around.

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there was a curve that went around a very steep

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embankment on the right. It was very rocky, and when

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I looked up, when I had just barely rounded that corner,

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I froze and I realize that there was what I

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thought was an oddly shaped timberwolf staring directly into my eyes.

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I can't say for certain heal far at what a

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way it was, but it was between three and six

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feet away. It was extremely closeew I felt my breath

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leave my body. My heart was pounding so loudly. I

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could feel it in my skin. I could feel my

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heart beat and my fingertips, and it felt like time

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itself stopped. It was postured in a way where it

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appeared as if it was ready to pounce. It was

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very clear that it had noticed me far before I

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noticed it, and it felt like we stayed like that

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for a very long time. And just when I felt

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like I was going to pass out, I was going

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to hyperventilate. I could start to feel my bones trembling.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, take your time, there's no rush.

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Speaker 1: I started to notice the odd parts of this creature

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a little bit more. It wasn't standing in a way

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I had ever seen a dog stand. I had encountered

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many coyotes, but I had never been around a wolf.

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a timberwolf was the fact that it was huge. Its fur,

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especially around its shoulders, was very like thick very I

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don't want to say course, but it was just almost

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fluffy on the upper half of its body, and its

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forearms and legs were extremely long. And I remember the pause,

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and I was so small in comparison it was. I

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can't even imagine how big this would have been for

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an adult, but as a small child who was much

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smaller than an average six year old. I was wearing

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I was very small. Its paws were outstretched in a

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very strange way, where the knuckles seemed to be a

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bit longer, it seemed a bit wider, and the paw

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that was closest to me it was almost as if

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it was gripping the rock underneath it. And I was

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just an absolute shock. Like I said, this felt like

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it was a moment that was never ending. It was

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probably very short, but I was starting to feel flush

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in my face. I felt like I was going to

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pass out, and it just stared deep into my soul.

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I felt as though it was going to attack, and

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my instinct was just to not move. I felt like

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I wasn't breathing, and there was a moment where I

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didn't know if I was going to be able to

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keep standing. And at that very second, the creature's entire

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face changed. It softened. It continued staring at me, very

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very deeply, but it was almost as if the whole body,

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without moving, became soft, and though its posture didn't change,

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I felt like I could breathe again, and it moved

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a little bit. It took a slight step back, still

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staring at me. I don't think I moved at all. Honestly,

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I was still frozen, but I'm sorry. I can just

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picture this as if it was happening right now, and

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it was absolutely terrifying. But I did feel better when

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it softened. I still felt in danger, but it leaned

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down and it started drinking from the creek. It broke

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eye contact with me, and it lapped up every once

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in a while, kind of looking up at me, And

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when it was finished, it took a few steps back,

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stared at me. Again with the same soft expression. It

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seemed very intelligent. However, even though it no longer was

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an a predatory stance, it still felt like it was

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assessing if I was a threat. And at this point

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I don't even remember what my body was doing, but

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I do know that I felt as if I was

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a statue and I was frozen in time. It turned

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around and it went up a few steps of the

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steep embankment. There it turned around, gave me another very deep,

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soft stare, and then disappeared into the woods. I don't

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remember how much time passed between my first and second encounter.

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I do know it was not very long. I know

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I was the same age, it was the same summer,

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but I was asleep in my room when I awoke

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to a close sound. I looked up from my bed

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and I saw that very same what I thought was

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a strangely shaped timber wolf staring directly at me with

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the original locked eyes that we had when we first encountered.

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It was not soft. It was very harsh. It felt predatorial,

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and again I just felt as if my whole body

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had turned ice cold. It was petrifying. I don't think

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I even moved to sit up. I was too scared

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to yell for my parents, and we just sat there

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for again what felt a very very long time. Its

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eyes were I had night lights at this time because

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I was a very small child, so I could see

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it very well. Its eyes were an amber, like a

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coffee gold. They were absolutely beautiful. But its face was

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turned down so that its eyes were kind of looking.

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Speaker 3: Up at me in my bed, and it again the

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same experience that happened in the trees. Its body and

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its face completely relaxed. Now it wasn't like a happy

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dog with its tongue hanging out or anything like that.

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It was still an absolutely terrifying sight to see, but

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it no longer gave me the sensation that I was

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going to be pounced upon. But as it started to relax,

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I started to hear other noises coming from my home

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and my house my bedroom was on the second floor,

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and we had a huge balcony that overlook our living

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room and kitchen, so you could hear everything from the

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bedrooms if the door was open, and I could hear

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a lot of different noises. They were not loud, they

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were very subtle, but they were coming from many different

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areas at my house. And I don't know why I

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felt this way, where these thoughts came from, But in

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the moment, laying in my bed with eyes locked on

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this creature, I had this intuition that there were many

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of these creatures and that this was the only one

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I was allowed to see, and that they wanted me

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to know of their presence, and I just laid there,

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absolutely still. I wanted to scream, I wanted to get

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my parents, but there was something inside of me that

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was telling me, because of the other creatures, I needed

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to have the same experience that I did in the woods.

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I felt like I was being given a test that

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I needed to have the right response in order to

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not be in danger. And apparently laying there still without

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saying a word, I don't even know what my expression was,

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but I don't think my posture or my face changed

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from when I glanced up casually to the moment I

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saw it.

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Speaker 1: I was just absolutely still, and that was the right

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thing to do, because the creature that had softened to

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me once it was done staring at me, it looked

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behind itself for a brief moment and looked back at

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me even softer in expression than it was The first

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time it stood, it stood on two legs, still staring

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directly into my heart, almost curious. I felt as though

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it was watching my expression. But as a small child,

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I remember thinking, oh my gosh, oh my goodness, that's

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why it looks like that, because it did look so

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awkward on all fours. Like I said, the forearms were

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super long, the legs just looked awkward and way too

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big for its body. But when it stood up on

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two legs so tall and broad, it all of a

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sudden looked normal. Those awkward legs and forearms, it looked

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much more proportional. And I did not know what to think.

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I don't remember feeling more afraid. I just knew that

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I needed to not respond. So I laid there as

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still and quiet as I possibly could, and I tried

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so hard to hold in fear, thinking about all the

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times I had learned from my elders about how to

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react with predators in the forest, to not show fear

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and to stand my ground. And luckily that's what I did,

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because it just walked away after it saw my response.

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It just turned and walked away, and I didn't hear

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any more sounds. I didn't hear the door close, and

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even though it did not harm me, I was still

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in a state of absolute fear. So I laid in

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my bed, wide awake, without moving a muscle until the

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sun came up and I heard my parents stir in bed,

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and as soon as I heard them awaken, I ran

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into their bedroom absolutely trembling and bawling and screaming, telling

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my story of the wolves who came in our house,

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about how they stood, and I, you know, as an

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adult looking back, I described it as kind of like

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a mafia, like a criminal organization, that they came into

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our home and they're going to come back, and I

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know they have an agenda. And unfortunately, my parents were

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not comforting. They were embarrassed, ashamed. They told me not

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to talk crazy like that. I believe we were having

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some sort of social event that day, and so the

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main goal for them was making sure that I did

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not say anything about it at that event that day,

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and to keep my mouth shut about it and to

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never talk about it again. They told me that I

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had a nightmare and that it wasn't real and I

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needed to stop talking that way or I'd have to

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go talk to a doctor. So I never spoke about

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it again until I met Dan, and I held that fear,

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but I did let them gaslight me into believing that

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that second occurrence was a nightmare. And maybe that was

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a little bit of a blessing, because if I had

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truly held that as a child, I don't think I

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would have gone back to the woods. And even though

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I took a little break, I did go back to

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the woods. And because I separated those experiences, I believed

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that the first creature I had encountered was a spirit

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of the forest in the form of a wolf. And

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there were many days where my home life was very

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troubled and I sought comfort from being in the woods

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and knowing that there was a predator out there who

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chose me is how I felt. I felt that I

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had passed a test and that this seemingly timber wolf

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chose to not hurt me and could see my innocence,

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And unfortunately, that wasn't something I always experienced at home.

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So I went back to the woods, and slowly but

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surely I went closer and closer back to the area

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of the Greek where I had my first interaction, and

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I would leave offerings and as a child, and I

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still have these memories that I can step right back

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into as if I was there. Where I would be

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walking in the creek in the same way I always did,

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but I could hear a creature following me very closely,

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never showing itself, whether it was the dog man or not,

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whether it was another creature. It did happen many times

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where I was being closely followed. My pace was kept

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and for some reason, my intuition told me that I

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was safe as long as I did not seek out

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to have a face to face occurrence, which I did not.

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I would hear the creature and I would just ignore it.

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I would smile and probably skip a little bit and

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be very excited to leave my offering. And when I

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got to that spot where I left my offering, I

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was no longer being followed home. It was as if

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I was being followed to our spot, and I would

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stay there for a little bit. I believe I would

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climb a tree and I would talk to the spirit

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of the forest, and then I would go home. And

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that was something that I experienced in that spot up

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until we moved when I was about eight or nine

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years old.

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Speaker 2: When you finally did move, were you disappointed were you

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upset or were you in a way happy to just

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leave the area.

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Speaker 1: I was very upset. I was very upset. But fortunately

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we did move to another area that was surrounded by

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the woods, not as much, and it was an area

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that had a lot more properties attached to it, so

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I had to be a lot more careful. I wasn't

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as free range and feral in the woods as I

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used to be, but I have always lived in an

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area where I could be in the woods. I don't

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believe I relieved at all. I do think that as

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I got older, I found other forms of comfort besides

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my parents, and I do think that was the hardest

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part of the whole experience for me, was the gas lighting.

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Not being able to seek comfort. I think that was

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probably the hardest part of the whole experience. Even though

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the second meeting with dog Man was absolutely petrifying, I

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did have the grace of believing maybe that part was

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a nightmare. And it wasn't until I learned about dog

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Man stories. And you know, at the time, I didn't

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know anything about dog Man. I didn't know anything about

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were wolves. All I knew was animals of the forest

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and what I believed to be were spirits of the forests,

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protecting nature, and that was what I internalized in that moment,

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and I believed parents that my second encounter was a nightmare.

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So I didn't really hold my own truth for a

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very long time, simply because I wasn't believed it.

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Speaker 2: Isn't life something here you go through those very traumatic experiences,

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but you're a very well adjusted adult. Now. Most people

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would be torn down by those experiences and probably never

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would recover without a lot of help. But you did,

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Thank Goodness for that, and also it says a lot

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about your makeup, your constitution. Thank you, well, you're welcome,

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But yeah, just telling it like it is, how big

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of a forest was it that was behind your home

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there when you have those encounters.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's hard for me to say there have

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been a lot of developments in that area since then,

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but it was very vast. I know, we lived probably

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miles from town. I know that it was at least

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you know, in some areas, probably ten miles of woods.

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In other areas probably much much more vast, but sporadic,

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little developments every so often. I would say, like at

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the time, it was not big developments. They would just

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be like one called to set, you know, with surrounding

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homes every several miles or so. But there wasn't a

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lot of farmland out there. It was mostly woods.

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Speaker 2: That must have been really big woods. And what better

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place for a dog men to run around?

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Speaker 1: It?

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Speaker 2: Had it made?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And I did believe, you know, as a child,

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that there were many of these creatures, and that I

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was being protected by the one that I met, and

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that I had to follow these rules of not seeking

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them out, and what I believed was respecting its boundaries

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when it was near me and it would respect mine.

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Speaker 2: Well, you might have been spot on with those conclusions,

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and whatever you had to do to make yourself feel comfort,

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I'm glad you did it, so thank goodness for that. Yes,

483
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you told us about going through the woods to get

484
00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:21,319
to your friend's houses. How far of a walk would

485
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:23,640
you say that was, though in a lot of cases,

486
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:25,440
oh you know, I.

487
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,799
Speaker 1: Think it would be between one and five miles. I

488
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:33,440
don't know how I did it, honestly, I don't know

489
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,640
how I navigated as well as I did. I was

490
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,240
raised my father was in the military, and he did

491
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:42,920
a lot of survival camping, as I would call it,

492
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,680
So you know. I was taught how to read moss

493
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,400
on logs and trees to find the direction. I was

494
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:55,279
very good at knowing the flow of the creek and

495
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,440
the sun. I used all of those things to navigate,

496
00:33:58,519 --> 00:33:59,960
even at five six years old.

497
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:05,079
Speaker 2: How impressive is that? Wow? For you to be in

498
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:08,079
such a big woods and travel so far and not

499
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:13,519
have any trouble, That's awfully impressive. I'm really impressed, thank you.

500
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:17,599
Speaker 1: And I did get a lot better after my first

501
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,880
occurrence in the woods with dog Man. I definitely became

502
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,079
a lot more aware of my surroundings. I did start

503
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:28,719
to keep my eyes a lot more peeled. I learned

504
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:33,119
how to frolic quietly, and even as adult, I'm very

505
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,599
capable of going through very thick woods without making as

506
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,559
much sound as I think your average adult wood because

507
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:42,719
I am very light afoot and I'm very good at

508
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,920
navigating through the thickest parts of woods, and I find

509
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:52,400
it incredibly healing. However, I in no way seek out

510
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:57,679
interactions with dog Man or any other cryptids. As much

511
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,480
as I do love and respect the forest, I do

512
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,280
recognize that it is not mine that I am in

513
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:09,639
something else's territory. Probably many, many creatures territory. So I

514
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,199
am very careful to leave things as I found it,

515
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,400
and if something looks like it's inhabited by a large

516
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,760
creature or small, I try very hard to respect that space.

517
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,679
Speaker 2: Well, that's probably a good idea that you do that.

518
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:26,440
How long was it after you had your encounters before

519
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,760
you found out what it was that you saw and

520
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,079
that it wasn't a wear wolf?

521
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: I believe it wasn't until I met Dan and we

522
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,280
enjoy talking about all sorts of paranormal things ENCRYPTID. It

523
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,119
was when he told me his story about what he

524
00:35:46,199 --> 00:35:49,199
believed to beat dog Man coming into his home, where

525
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,400
I said, I had a nightmare almost exactly like that.

526
00:35:54,159 --> 00:35:58,000
And when I told him the story, he was like, Crystal,

527
00:35:59,039 --> 00:36:01,960
I really think you let your parents gaslight you into

528
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,840
thinking that was a nightmare. I think you need to

529
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,039
hold the fact that that might have been real and

530
00:36:08,119 --> 00:36:10,800
it might have been the same thing that you encountered

531
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:15,360
in the woods. And that's when he told me about

532
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:20,159
a lot of different stories about dog Man, very specific

533
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,320
ones and just legends in general, and where you know,

534
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,840
we found this happened in an area that was very

535
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:34,639
heavily tied to Native American history and burial sites. So yeah,

536
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,320
I did not really hold this until I was in

537
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:43,119
my thirties where that this was a dog man encounter.

538
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,639
Speaker 2: Like I told you before, I'm so glad you met

539
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,679
Thank goodness for that. And what are the odds of

540
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,079
you finding someone like that you had his own dog

541
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:55,880
man encounter. But then again, like I tell people, you

542
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,079
and believe how many people have encounters with these guys.

543
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,239
It's just something you would know because so many people

544
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,679
who have these encounters that keep them to themselves. That's

545
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,679
why you probably know other people who have had dog

546
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,400
mea and encounters, but for the aforementioned reasons, you don't

547
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,039
realize it.

548
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:17,039
Speaker 1: Yes, And honestly, I don't talk about this, as I

549
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:19,639
told you on the phone. Besides my parents and Dan,

550
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,679
you are the only person I've spoken to about this,

551
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:27,199
And unlike Dan, I'm not very confident about talking of

552
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,760
anything similar to this with other people. And it is

553
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,639
purely for the fear and anxiety of being believed, of

554
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:37,960
being made to feel crazy. And the reason why I

555
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,000
came to the conclusion that I wanted to be on

556
00:37:40,039 --> 00:37:42,079
your show, that I wanted to go on the air,

557
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,679
is that I want to speak to the people that

558
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,599
you're talking about, the people that have had encounters, the

559
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:53,280
ones who don't want to share their story. I want

560
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,800
to encourage everybody that it doesn't matter who believes you,

561
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,000
that you just need to believe yourself and that is enough.

562
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:05,239
Because the freedom that I was given in my relationship

563
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,760
with Dan, to be able to just hold my truth

564
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,639
for what it was was so incredibly healing. And as

565
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,119
a human species, we go through that with experiences like

566
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,400
encountering dog Man, but we also go through it as

567
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,880
abuse survivors and living in a world where it's really

568
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:31,440
hard to tell our story and it's so important that

569
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,559
we advocate for ourselves against ourselves. It's so easy to

570
00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:40,199
black box things that are hard, that are scary, that

571
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,920
we don't want to admit our real and I firmly

572
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,920
believe it it's an important part of our healing process

573
00:38:48,199 --> 00:38:51,719
to just let ourselves hold our own story for what

574
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,119
it is.

575
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,199
Speaker 2: Well, that's all very well said. Yeah, I think you're

576
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,840
spot on. It's all about exposure when it comes to

577
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,159
getting over a traumatic experience like a dog meaning encounter.

578
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,119
If you keep a bottled up you can't fool yourself,

579
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239
you can't hide anything from yourself. It's not going to

580
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,280
do any good in almost every case. So I'm glad

581
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,480
you eventually worry able to find Dan so you could

582
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,400
let that genie out of the bottle.

583
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,320
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, your.

584
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:26,159
Speaker 2: First encounter happened during daylight hours. Obviously. Do you think

585
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:29,760
you're lucky stars that it didn't happen at night or

586
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,039
is that something that you haven't put much thought into,

587
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,519
because in a way it kind of eased you into

588
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:38,400
this whole world of dog men, knowing that they're out there.

589
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 1: Yes, and it was daylight, but it was you know,

590
00:39:43,519 --> 00:39:47,159
in that golden hour. The sun wasn't necessarily setting, but

591
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,039
it was getting very close to that point, so the

592
00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:53,079
day was coming to a close. But I am very

593
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:57,320
thankful that it happened during daylight. I wasn't supposed to

594
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,639
be in the woods at night, but up until that

595
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:03,039
point I would break that rule pretty frequently because I

596
00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:06,440
would go so far and it would sometimes take me

597
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,920
longer to get back then I could, you know, I

598
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,280
could navigate directions in getting places very well, but in

599
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,960
sense of time when you're in the woods. And again,

600
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:17,920
this wasn't when there were cell phones and stuff like that,

601
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:20,519
so there were a lot of occurrences where I was

602
00:40:20,559 --> 00:40:23,400
still out there at night, and I, you know, wasn't

603
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,239
as prepared as I could have been. I usually did

604
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,719
have some things with me, like a flashlight. But you know,

605
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,239
if I did have an occurrence where I was injured

606
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,639
or attacked, it would be very, very difficult to find

607
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,199
Young Crystal out in the woods because I could have

608
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,960
been very far away. So I am very thankful for

609
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,199
that fact. And you know, up until our conversation, I

610
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,239
believed that this was an accident, that I had stumbled

611
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,599
into this encounter, and it wasn't until you brought it

612
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,039
to my attention that there is absolutely no way that

613
00:40:57,039 --> 00:40:59,760
the dog man did not hear me coming, and that

614
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,639
it probably was watching me as I frequented this area

615
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,639
so much that it probably forced this encounter.

616
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,519
Speaker 2: I beg of money that's what happened, even though it

617
00:41:11,559 --> 00:41:14,519
hadn't forced an encounter to happen before then. I'm sure

618
00:41:14,519 --> 00:41:17,199
it was taking your measure the day that you walked

619
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,599
up on it and locked eyes with you and was

620
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,199
steering into your soul. I wasn't there, but I'm pretty

621
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,000
darn SURREI it was taking your measure.

622
00:41:25,599 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely absolutely it was so obvious and I don't

623
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,760
even know how to articulate it into words, but it

624
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:37,079
was very clear that this creature was intelligent, that it

625
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:41,719
was analyzing, and it was assessing me very very deeply.

626
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they seemed to be pretty good at that. Unfortunately,

627
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,039
after a moment of steering at you, you said that

628
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,400
its mood seemed to change, it softened. Why do you

629
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,079
think it did that.

630
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 1: I believe that it recognized I was not a threat,

631
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:06,280
and as a child, I believed because it already knew me.

632
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,960
I felt that this was, like I said, a spirit

633
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:15,760
or guardian of the forest, and I thought it was

634
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,039
a test. I thought it was testing me to see

635
00:42:19,039 --> 00:42:20,760
if I was worthy for its presence.

636
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 2: See that's the thing. A while ago, you mentioned that

637
00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:28,639
its mood seemed to soften because you thought it didn't

638
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,920
see as a threat. But you're five or six years old.

639
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,400
You're not a threat to it. If you were an adult,

640
00:42:34,519 --> 00:42:36,559
you wouldn't have been a threat to it. And it

641
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,159
knew you were there. It forced that encounter to happen,

642
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,760
So I think it had a level of comfort with

643
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,719
you that was through the roof because it knew that

644
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,840
you just were not a threat. Whatsoever a five or

645
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:53,400
six year old kid, not at all. But I didn't

646
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,079
know if upon more reflection, if maybe something else had

647
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,360
come to the surface, making you think, okay, well maybe

648
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,199
this or that also might be why it softened.

649
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: You know, I do think, you know, maybe it wasn't

650
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,719
so much if I was a threat, or if it

651
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:14,280
was assessing if I thought it was a threat, what

652
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,920
my demeanor would do, if I would run, if you know,

653
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:23,559
if I would scream and you know, just absolutely go

654
00:43:23,679 --> 00:43:28,719
bananas and fear, if I would cower, you know, like prey.

655
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,320
I don't know, but it was definitely analyzing me. And

656
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:39,000
it was when it softened, you know, it was still petrifying.

657
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,559
It didn't soften to the point, you know, there was

658
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:44,039
a wagging tail or anything like that. It was still

659
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:48,800
definitely prostured towards me for most of the encounter, but

660
00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:55,400
it it it definitely lost a lot of the threatening

661
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,239
energy that I was getting from it.

662
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 2: Thankingness for that. Yes, please describe its head study as

663
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:06,440
carefully as you can.

664
00:44:08,119 --> 00:44:12,519
Speaker 1: Its head was very big. Again, I believe this was

665
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:17,480
an oddly shaped timber wolf. Its shoulders were very broad,

666
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,519
its muzzle was long, its forehead was wide. The fur

667
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,800
was very thick around its shoulders, upper arms, and neck.

668
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,360
It's I don't remember seeing its teeth, but when I

669
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:41,760
first encountered it, its ears were turned like back and down.

670
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:47,119
It looked in like a crouching like almost pouncing posture,

671
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,079
And when it softened, the ears went to a more

672
00:44:51,159 --> 00:44:55,960
natural position, but they were pointed directly at me, and

673
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,159
the ears stayed pointed towards me even when it leaned

674
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:04,679
down to drink. It was I would say, colored like

675
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,039
a timber wolf, but maybe a little bit more black

676
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:12,519
with some gray. I can't remember the exact patterns because

677
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:17,679
it was just kind of, you know, blended in very well.

678
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:22,199
It wasn't striped or spotted or anything like that, but

679
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:26,360
like I said, it was, it was huge. Was its

680
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,239
head was much bigger. I have one hundred and twenty

681
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,440
pound German shepherd, and this creature made my dog look

682
00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:42,159
like an absolute puppy. Its four arms were awkwardly long.

683
00:45:43,039 --> 00:45:45,559
It was almost as if you could see its muscles

684
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:50,480
in its biceps and its back legs. The hips were

685
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,679
positioned very awkwardly in a way that you wouldn't expect,

686
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,599
you know, a wolf, and they appeared to be much

687
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:03,639
bigger and more muscular. I thought it was perhaps deformed

688
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,480
in some way, And like I said, my brain could

689
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:09,360
not make sense of its shape at all until that

690
00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:13,039
moment in my bedroom when it stood up like a man,

691
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:18,920
that it all of a sudden the shape it just

692
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,159
made sense to me at that point. But it was

693
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:29,280
It was not shaped like a man in the face

694
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:35,079
at all. It was very wolf like, very elongated, maybe

695
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,840
a bit wider than your average wolf.

696
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,599
Speaker 2: I don't want to put words into your mouth, but

697
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,320
if it looked very wolf like in its head, study

698
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,880
did it have a very wild look to it or

699
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,400
would you describe it as looking some other way?

700
00:46:52,119 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: It absolutely looked wild it other than its eye, its

701
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:06,679
eyes were extremely intelligent. I felt like it was speaking

702
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,000
to me without words. Specifically in my bedroom, I felt

703
00:47:11,039 --> 00:47:14,960
as though I was being given intuition. I've heard from

704
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:17,280
Dan that you know, some people feel like they're speaking

705
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:21,920
to them telepathically. I in no way heard words, but

706
00:47:22,039 --> 00:47:28,840
I was given intuitive feelings, you know that, especially in

707
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,440
my bedroom, that this creature wanted me to behave exactly

708
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,760
how I did in the woods.

709
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: As you know now, it's not just you. A lot

710
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:42,599
of credible eyewitnesses report that sense that they're being communicated

711
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:47,280
with telepathically or via some other means, So it's not

712
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,719
just you. When you had your second encounter in your

713
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,559
bedroom that night, how close was it, Tiya? When you

714
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:56,000
first saw it?

715
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,519
Speaker 1: It was probably about six feet away from my bed,

716
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:03,079
And if my memory serves me correct, it didn't actually

717
00:48:03,159 --> 00:48:07,239
step into my bedroom all the way. It stayed right

718
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:11,400
outside of my doorframe. And it was so big when

719
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,559
it stood up, I mean, it took up a lot

720
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:17,920
of the doorway. It was clearly very much bigger than

721
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:18,800
my stepdad.

722
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: Someone that stood up. You're saying it could stand up

723
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,079
in the doorway without it said, actually touching the doorway.

724
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:28,679
It was just close or was it crouching to be

725
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:30,159
able to stand up in the doorway.

726
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,159
Speaker 1: It didn't go all the way through, so it was

727
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,960
still partially on the other side, so it was not

728
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:42,840
you know, if it was in, you know, directly in

729
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,920
the doorway, its head would have touched the doorframe.

730
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,679
Speaker 2: Surely, Okay, I see, Yeah, thanks for clearing that up

731
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:54,679
for me. Did you ever hear your parents mention finding

732
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,639
signs of forced entry in your home the next day?

733
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: No? No, And I became very paranoid about that. That

734
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:09,639
is something I do remember very clearly, and I became

735
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,639
very diligent at making sure our windows were closed and

736
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:18,119
our doors were locked. I definitely had this sense that

737
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,280
the dog man or the creature that I believed to

738
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,440
be a spirit of the forest, that the one I

739
00:49:27,639 --> 00:49:31,000
had an occurrence with was okay with me, but that

740
00:49:31,079 --> 00:49:35,440
the others were absolutely not, and I was very much

741
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,480
afraid of the others.

742
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad at least he found solace in him,

743
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,639
whether he was safe to be around or not, at

744
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,760
least he found some solace. And yeah, as long as

745
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,599
that's a case, I guess that's a good thing. Whatever

746
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:48,719
it takes to get you by.

747
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, maybe my intuition wasn't correct, But

748
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,239
when I did get brave enough to go back to

749
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,360
the woods and leave my offerings, I started with smaller

750
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,679
ones and worked my way up to bigger ones, And

751
00:50:03,039 --> 00:50:07,079
remember stealing some raw meat from our fridge to leave

752
00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:09,920
out there, and they were always taken. But you know,

753
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,960
when I would hear a creature staying close to me

754
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,440
and matching pace that was big but staying out of sight,

755
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:23,239
I felt that it was guiding me or protecting me

756
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,360
in a way, and I felt it was protecting me

757
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,800
from the others. But I also thought, you know, if

758
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:35,320
my home life were to happen to me in the woods,

759
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:39,760
that that guide would protect me. And as an adult,

760
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,280
I look back and I, you know, I don't know

761
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,039
if that was the case. It very well could have

762
00:50:46,159 --> 00:50:53,039
been watching and waiting in a not you know, protective way.

763
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:57,440
It could have been hunting me for sports or trying

764
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:01,519
to scare me, and I was just happy, go lucky

765
00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:04,679
and didn't realize I was in danger. It very well

766
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,760
could have been trying to terrorize me and cause fear.

767
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,400
But for some reason, that is just not what I

768
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,400
internalized is happening at the time.

769
00:51:14,519 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: Well, how you looked at him back then might have

770
00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:22,239
been unwarranted, inaccurate, however you want to put it, But

771
00:51:22,599 --> 00:51:25,719
at least to help you get by, you're still able

772
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,440
to go in the woods. Nothing did happen to you.

773
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,679
So whatever you needed to do to be able to

774
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,880
manage your emotions, as long as it helps you deal

775
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,159
with a situation like that, then more power to you.

776
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,400
As long as it doesn't wind up with you getting hurt.

777
00:51:40,599 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: So thank goodness, Yes, and I have gone back to

778
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,760
those woods and other woods that are closer to my

779
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,639
home now, and I have had occurrences very similar to

780
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,519
when I felt that guide, where I could hear something

781
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,239
very close to me, and a few specific ones where

782
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:05,119
it was very clearly something large on two feet, and I,

783
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,280
you know, even believing that it could be the very

784
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,440
same creature that I once thought was a guide. I

785
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:16,480
in no way feel as comfortable as I did as

786
00:52:16,519 --> 00:52:19,920
a small child. I do not seek out another face

787
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:24,960
to face interaction. And when I do hear a creature

788
00:52:25,079 --> 00:52:27,639
following me, I do high tail it out of there,

789
00:52:27,679 --> 00:52:29,880
and I do take it as a sign to not

790
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,159
go into that territory.

791
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad you do that. But just to clarify, when

792
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,199
you say you high tail it out of there, you

793
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:41,519
don't run, you just well absolutely yep.

794
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: I maintain you know, I act like I don't hear it.

795
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,639
I don't acknowledge it. I don't even avert my eyes

796
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:52,159
to where I hear the sound coming from.

797
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:55,039
Speaker 2: Good I'm glad you do that. I'm never going to

798
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,679
say these guys are ever safe to be around, and

799
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,960
even ones that normally wouldn't hurt you, they can all

800
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,199
wake up and be having a bad day, so you

801
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:06,159
never do know, So I'm glad you do that. If

802
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:08,519
your parents would have found signs that your house had

803
00:53:08,559 --> 00:53:12,559
been broken into, if they found damage like that, do

804
00:53:12,559 --> 00:53:14,079
you think they would have told you back then?

805
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: No? No, I don't think they would have. And you

806
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,679
know now that I've thought about it. There was another

807
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,239
thing that Dan thought I should mention to you. And

808
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,400
Dan does believe that these creatures have a special attention

809
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,440
for me, even though he's had his own occurrences. He

810
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:35,159
doesn't believe he has where they are still interested in him,

811
00:53:35,159 --> 00:53:37,639
but he does believe they do in me. There was

812
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:42,159
an occurrence at our home at one point where we

813
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,559
found paw prints on one of our windows that was

814
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:50,440
about ten I believe, like ten to twelve feet off

815
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,159
the ground at our kitchen window. And I do believe

816
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:57,079
I have a picture of that somewhere where there are

817
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:01,079
two paw prints that were absolutely huge, bigger than our

818
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:05,800
German shepherd that as if something you know, had stood

819
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,679
there and leaned up against the window with muddy paws,

820
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,480
and that we'd never wash it off. We just left

821
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:15,480
it there and we never saw anything, We never heard anything,

822
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:19,119
but Dan firmly believes that it was a dog man

823
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:20,400
looking in our window.

824
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,519
Speaker 2: If you found them that high off the ground, then

825
00:54:23,559 --> 00:54:26,039
the options of what it could have been are pretty limited.

826
00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:31,400
But by pause, did they have any qualities that resembled

827
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,599
human hands or were they just strictly like dog paws

828
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:37,800
that were way too big?

829
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,519
Speaker 1: They were like dog paws, but maybe a little more

830
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:43,679
spread apart between the pads.

831
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:48,639
Speaker 2: Some my witnesses report seeing dogmen with paws slash hands

832
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,199
like that where it's like the toes are kind of extended,

833
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:54,440
but they still look like dog paws. Most of them

834
00:54:54,519 --> 00:54:57,119
report seeing hands that look kind of like a raccoon's

835
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,039
obviously with claws, but they're We're not always the same,

836
00:55:01,559 --> 00:55:04,880
So something to keep in mind. If there were no

837
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,719
signs of forced entry, how do you think it got

838
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:08,480
into your house.

839
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,840
Speaker 1: We lived out in the country, and though we had

840
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,280
a few neighbors, we were all very close knit and

841
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,559
knew each other well. And I don't believe my parents

842
00:55:19,559 --> 00:55:23,639
locked the doors, and that's why afterwards I became the

843
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,760
diligent person of the home to make sure we were

844
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:27,719
locked up that night.

845
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's always a good idea, not just if you

846
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:33,920
have dog men in the area. You never know when

847
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:37,480
some crazy person might try to come in, so that's

848
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:38,599
always a good thing to do.

849
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,559
Speaker 1: Yes, And as Dan said on your show before, he

850
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:46,360
definitely is one to really advocate that all doors are locked.

851
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, him and a lot of other people. You

852
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,199
wouldn't believe him. Many times I've been contacted by people

853
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:54,400
who live way out and they talk about how until

854
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,960
they listened to my shows, how they used to leave

855
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,000
the doors unlocked and their windows open, but not now

856
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,880
out uh uh, they lock all their doors, they check

857
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:08,360
their windows and shut those drapes. I understand, yes.

858
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:14,039
Speaker 1: Yes, And you know, having the occurrence where you know,

859
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:17,000
they came into my home that definitely instilled that in me,

860
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:19,880
and I think it did with Dan as well. But

861
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,519
you know, it's it's hard to know, you know, when

862
00:56:24,559 --> 00:56:28,880
you have these experiences and you see these creatures firsthand,

863
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:33,079
it is very hard to differentiate how much more animal

864
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,880
and how much more resembling a man they are, because

865
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,480
though they look wild, though they look animalistic, the intelligence

866
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:46,400
in them is absolutely uncanny and hard to fully grasp,

867
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:51,239
you know. So, you know, locking your doors is so important,

868
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:54,239
but I think also just being aware of your surroundings,

869
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,079
and that's something that I learned, you know that I

870
00:56:57,079 --> 00:56:59,800
don't just use when I am in the woods, but

871
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:03,480
even going outside of my home to doing something very quick.

872
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:08,440
I very much was impacted by that experience and making

873
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,119
sure that my eyes, my ears, all of my senses

874
00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,199
are aware of my surroundings.

875
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: Like I've said before, that's always a good idea. I'm

876
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:22,000
glad you do that. I really am. You said a

877
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,280
couple of times, you look at that dog man as

878
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,440
possibly being your spirit guide. And if it is your

879
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:31,960
spirit guide, it's a spiritual being. If it's a spiritual being,

880
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:34,280
then what good do you think it's going to do

881
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,280
to lock your doors and windows?

882
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,559
Speaker 1: And this is where me and Dan kind of differ

883
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:43,360
a little bit, where you know, I don't. I don't

884
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:47,000
truly believe anymore that it was, you know, a ghostly spirit.

885
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:53,840
I think maybe they are or could be spiritual guardians,

886
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,880
but in a very real physical form. I do believe

887
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:00,000
that I have seen, you know, a lot of evident

888
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,400
in terms of not just having eyes on them, but

889
00:58:03,559 --> 00:58:08,440
seeing you know, the hand or paw prints and hearing

890
00:58:08,519 --> 00:58:12,519
them when they were near me. Where I do truly

891
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:16,119
believe they are a physical being, but I do hold

892
00:58:16,159 --> 00:58:19,679
the possibility that there could be a spiritual aspect of

893
00:58:19,719 --> 00:58:23,360
them as well. But I do believe they are a

894
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:24,920
very raw physical being.

895
00:58:26,039 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many questions like that about them. We're

896
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,199
probably never going to know. But it really does make

897
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,920
you wonder when you used to sneak under your parents'

898
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,920
bed at night, poor thing, could you sleep halfway well

899
00:58:39,039 --> 00:58:40,480
or was it hard for you?

900
00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:45,039
Speaker 1: It was still very difficult for me. I did feel

901
00:58:45,079 --> 00:58:48,119
it would, you know, be very easy to drag me

902
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:50,880
from under the bed, so I would be curled in

903
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:55,679
the fetal position and trying to surround myself with stuffed

904
00:58:55,679 --> 00:58:58,400
animals so I couldn't be grabbed. Well, we know that

905
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,840
wouldn't stop anything from grabbing me, but you know, I

906
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:05,400
had a little bit of comfort. But I think the

907
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,719
comfort was that if something did come after me, it

908
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,599
would wake my parents.

909
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:15,679
Speaker 2: It is absolutely horrible that you had to go through that.

910
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:17,719
That is awful, you poor thing.

911
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:23,239
Speaker 1: Yes it was, you know, it was absolutely petrifying. But

912
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:26,920
I did live in a home where I was, you know,

913
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:30,440
very familiar with fear, and so I do think I

914
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,320
internalized this fear a little bit differently than a child

915
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,880
who was in a healthy home where it was just

916
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:42,599
kind of normal for me to be afraid. Like I said,

917
00:59:42,599 --> 00:59:45,960
the hardest part for me was the gas lighting and

918
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,400
the not being believed, being made to feel crazy. That

919
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:54,639
definitely affected my healing process from this experience and others

920
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:55,800
very significantly.

921
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,239
Speaker 2: Well, you had some bumps in the road along the way,

922
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:01,760
but I'm just glad you wound up where you are.

923
01:00:02,119 --> 01:00:05,199
You're well adjusted in you've fully come to terms with

924
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:07,760
your encounters, so as long as we can say that,

925
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:08,840
thank goodness.

926
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 1: Yes. And I do think a big part of that

927
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:15,920
was sharing my story with somebody, both with Daniel and

928
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:19,880
with you. And I hope that any listeners who are

929
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:24,960
hearing my story understand the gravity of just holding their

930
01:00:25,039 --> 01:00:29,239
experience for themselves and the truth that is theirs, whether

931
01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:32,280
they plan on sharing it with anybody or not. I

932
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,400
do know that sharing it has helped me immensely. Even

933
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:40,760
though I don't hold as much fear and intimidation as

934
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,519
I know and a lot of other people with encounters do,

935
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:48,360
it still impacted my mental health. It impacted how I

936
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:52,559
felt about myself and my confidence, and I think it

937
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:56,639
is just so important to honor our truth whether that

938
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:01,320
is talking with somebody else, listening to other stories. I

939
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:04,360
certainly you know Dan has put me on to listening

940
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,320
to your podcast. I'm going to be honest with you,

941
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,159
I have not up until recently, I have not done

942
01:01:10,199 --> 01:01:14,639
research into dog Man. I had no idea what the

943
01:01:14,719 --> 01:01:17,480
hands or pause looked like for dog Man until you

944
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:20,480
just explained it to me right now. And I feel

945
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,159
like there is a lot of healing in validation, whether

946
01:01:24,239 --> 01:01:27,800
that is sharing your story, listening to other stories, and

947
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:29,719
just honoring your own truth.

948
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,199
Speaker 2: It's awfully admirable that you wanted to come on for

949
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:36,599
those reasons. A lot of people they wouldn't have card

950
01:01:36,679 --> 01:01:40,480
at all if they could help people. So I'm really impressed.

951
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:45,239
I am, oh, you're welcome. When you used to leave

952
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:47,360
offerings for him, what would you leave?

953
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,559
Speaker 1: At first? I would steal scraps from supper, you know,

954
01:01:54,639 --> 01:01:58,400
cooked meat and stuff like that, lunch meat. And then

955
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:01,559
I started to kind of test it because I felt like, well,

956
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:05,920
any creature could take that, right, so I would start

957
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:10,079
to bring larger things. I would. I do know a

958
01:02:10,119 --> 01:02:13,960
few times I would steal like steak, you know, if

959
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:17,119
we were getting ready for a big cookout. My parents

960
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:19,480
had a lot of big parties, so they would have

961
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,360
vast amounts of meat in our fridge at some point,

962
01:02:23,519 --> 01:02:27,639
so one missing steak for those events was never really noticed.

963
01:02:28,199 --> 01:02:31,840
I do know one time I stole a roast from

964
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:36,360
the freezer. Oh no, I don't remember if that was

965
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:40,679
noticed or not, honestly, But so I would leave meat

966
01:02:42,039 --> 01:02:45,920
for this creature. That is what I would leave for offerings.

967
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,639
But I did leave a lot of other offerings to

968
01:02:48,719 --> 01:02:51,519
creatures in the woods as well, so you know I would.

969
01:02:51,519 --> 01:02:55,800
I would lean vegetables for other creatures, and nuts and

970
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,760
shiny objects. I was that little kid who believed in

971
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:03,760
so I would leave little bowls of cream, and I

972
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:08,599
would bury treasure beneath special trees and stuff like that.

973
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,000
So but my offerings to dog Man it was strictly meat.

974
01:03:13,159 --> 01:03:16,599
Speaker 2: Yes, what a nice kid you were. It's no wonder

975
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:18,679
you grew up to be the person you are today.

976
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,199
I swear if more people in the world were like you.

977
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,280
Of course you're never going to admit it, but this

978
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:26,679
world would be amazing if more people were like you.

979
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:27,719
That's a fact.

980
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, Yeah, definitely, you know, it's you know,

981
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,559
people like me. We have to learn to have our

982
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:38,280
own claws and teeth, and you know, being a nice person,

983
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,000
it also is a learning process of learning when not

984
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:44,719
to be nice, And you know that is something that

985
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,239
I think I have learned from Dan and accepting my

986
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:53,559
own encounter story where you know, there are certain experiences

987
01:03:53,639 --> 01:03:57,320
where you need to be still, you need to be calm.

988
01:03:57,679 --> 01:04:00,480
Certainly my encounter with dog man, I think having a

989
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:07,159
soft demeanor helped me beyond measure. If I was any different,

990
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:09,119
I don't know if it would have gone that way.

991
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:12,320
But it is also very important to be able to

992
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,960
embody those things. And there are moments where I need

993
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,920
to have courage where I go back in that space

994
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,719
and time. And if I can handle an experience like

995
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,039
that as a small child, then I can handle a

996
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:26,559
lot with a human. So I think there's a lot

997
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:30,239
to be said that can be transmuted into strength in

998
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:31,280
these occurrences.

999
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: I really like the way you think, I really do,

1000
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:38,119
And yeah, I think it's a given that by having

1001
01:04:38,159 --> 01:04:41,480
those experiences they did help strengthen you. I hate the

1002
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,719
fact you had to have those experiences, but I don't

1003
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,639
think there's any doubt that you're a stronger person today

1004
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:53,000
because you have those experiences back then. Thank you, You're welcome.

1005
01:04:54,199 --> 01:04:56,639
You don't seek out encounters, you said, But if you

1006
01:04:56,679 --> 01:05:00,519
had your drother's crystal, would you still like to see

1007
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:04,360
them one more time again from a distance, or would

1008
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,280
you rather never see them again? No matter what the circumstances, I.

1009
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:13,519
Speaker 1: Would like to never have a face to face occurrence.

1010
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:20,360
I don't think it is necessarily something that they seek out.

1011
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:24,800
That was not something that I felt was an ideal

1012
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:29,400
situation for these creatures I encountered. I did not get

1013
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:33,599
the sense even when I was assessed and analyzed and

1014
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:37,159
they watched me and my reaction, I still don't think

1015
01:05:37,199 --> 01:05:40,519
they wanted me to lay eyes on them. So in

1016
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:43,679
that sense, no, I would never want to have another

1017
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,159
face to face encounter. I have no desire to see

1018
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:50,480
a dog man ever again, though I do hold a

1019
01:05:50,519 --> 01:05:57,360
lot of respect for them. No, I mean in terms

1020
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,320
of validation, I think I've had enough of that as well.

1021
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:05,119
Where I believe what I saw, I don't seek any

1022
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:11,280
more proof. You know, maybe with that specific creature that

1023
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,119
I encountered, if it was capable of words, you know,

1024
01:06:14,239 --> 01:06:17,440
I would have some questions I would like answered, But

1025
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:19,599
you know that's just not going to happen, and I'm

1026
01:06:19,639 --> 01:06:22,639
glad for that. I think it's okay, I'm I'm these

1027
01:06:22,679 --> 01:06:26,239
are memories that I will cherish that might not be

1028
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,320
cherishable memories. It very well could have been danger. But

1029
01:06:31,159 --> 01:06:36,519
though I am thankful for the way child Crystal internalized

1030
01:06:36,519 --> 01:06:40,079
this and the comfort that I sought from what I

1031
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:44,280
believed to be a protector in the forest, as an adult,

1032
01:06:44,559 --> 01:06:51,320
I do not believe that that. I just I don't

1033
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,480
believe that I would handle the situation the same.

1034
01:06:56,679 --> 01:06:59,679
Speaker 2: Oh No, you definitely wouldn't. You're a different personnel. But

1035
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,679
I still do think because you're so well adjusted, that

1036
01:07:03,119 --> 01:07:04,960
you deal with it a lot better than what you

1037
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:05,639
think you would.

1038
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 1: Yes, if it was the you know, the specific one

1039
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,239
that I felt I had a connection with, you know,

1040
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:17,840
having an encounter, I don't know. I would be curious.

1041
01:07:18,239 --> 01:07:21,280
I would be interested in how that would go, but

1042
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:23,639
I am no way would ever seek that out. No.

1043
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,639
Speaker 2: Well, that's probably a good thing then, and we don't

1044
01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:31,119
have to agree upon everything. But I think you're wrong

1045
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,960
about stumbling upon it and surprising it. Like I told

1046
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,199
you before, i'd bet good money that if it didn't

1047
01:07:38,239 --> 01:07:40,199
want you to see it either time you never would

1048
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:41,880
have seen it in my opinion, But I could be

1049
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,800
wrong about that, but yeah, yeah, I just I don't

1050
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:48,119
think it's a case of you catching it unaware. I

1051
01:07:48,159 --> 01:07:51,079
think it wanted you to see it both times and

1052
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:53,960
that's why you saw it. But like I said, I

1053
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:54,719
could be wrong.

1054
01:07:55,519 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, And that's a perspective I didn't really

1055
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,920
hold in till I talked with you, And you know,

1056
01:08:02,079 --> 01:08:04,760
I do agree with you that that makes a lot

1057
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,360
more sense. You know, it could probably hear my heartbeat

1058
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,079
for you know, before I could even lay eyes on

1059
01:08:11,119 --> 01:08:12,719
it and be able to make out what it was.

1060
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,599
So I do think there's a lot of truth to

1061
01:08:15,639 --> 01:08:18,279
your perspective on that, and that is something I have

1062
01:08:18,399 --> 01:08:24,079
been internalizing. You know, I didn't really hold I hadn't

1063
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,760
really thought of that until you mentioned it. And yeah,

1064
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:32,600
I'm curious as to why it did that, you know,

1065
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,760
like I said, I'd have questions for it. You know,

1066
01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:39,239
why did it do that? You know? And you know

1067
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:44,159
it's posture change and it's softened state. You know, I

1068
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:48,560
have why, you know, so many big whys. Part of

1069
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,840
me questions, you know, was was this a female? Did

1070
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:57,000
it have some strange maternal instinct with me. Could could

1071
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,399
it smell my injuries that I had from my parents?

1072
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,640
You know, there's so many different aspects, you know, coming

1073
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:06,960
into my home. Were they aware of the fighting and

1074
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:11,079
screaming and crying, you know? Or or was it completely unrelated?

1075
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:14,079
Was this just something that occurred because I was in

1076
01:09:14,119 --> 01:09:19,239
its territory? And those are questions that I just I

1077
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:20,319
will forever ponder.

1078
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,479
Speaker 2: I can understand why you would, but as you know,

1079
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:27,000
unfortunately those are all questions that we're never going to

1080
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:30,119
have the answers to you. It's just one of those things.

1081
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:33,279
But having said that, we're about out of time, Crystal,

1082
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:35,319
before we get out of here, do you have any

1083
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,319
closing comments you want to put out there for us?

1084
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:43,239
Speaker 1: My closing comments are just to the listeners who have

1085
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:48,560
had an experience with dog Man, anything else that is unexplained,

1086
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:52,039
or even just with another human that has a heart

1087
01:09:52,079 --> 01:09:56,520
of a monster. That your story is your truth and

1088
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:00,319
nothing can change that. Being believed is not so something

1089
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:03,760
that you need. It is your story and yours alone.

1090
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,680
And if there is ever something that is too hard

1091
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:11,840
to hold on yourself, get help, talk to someone, reach out.

1092
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,560
And this podcast is an amazing resource to connect with

1093
01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:19,319
other people. As I've heard with Dan and his experience

1094
01:10:19,359 --> 01:10:21,920
with you and being able to connect with other people

1095
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,520
who have had encounters, I think there's a lot of

1096
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:25,159
healing there.

1097
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 2: Very well said, I really do hope you never change.

1098
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:30,560
I really do.

1099
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 1: I'll try not to.

1100
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:37,279
Speaker 2: Well, I hope you don't change. But having said that,

1101
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:39,279
thanks again so much for coming on and share the

1102
01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:42,399
details of those experiences with this Crystal. I really do

1103
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:43,319
appreciate it.

1104
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:46,680
Speaker 1: Yes, you're welcome, and thank you so much for having me.

1105
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,359
Speaker 2: Oh, you're welcome. Glad to give you a platform. Well,

1106
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,800
thanks again so much for your time, and have a

1107
01:10:53,800 --> 01:11:12,359
great nights.

1108
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:17,680
Speaker 3: English