WEBVTT 1 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:18.239 Coming to you from the dining room table at East 2 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:23.559 Barbary Lane. Welcome to a very special holiday edition of 3 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:29.120 Full Circle the Podcast. Today we have gathered two wonderful 4 00:00:29.199 --> 00:00:33.960 friends to talk about one of my favorite holiday movies, 5 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:39.640 The Family Stone with us. First, she has a two 6 00:00:39.719 --> 00:00:44.719 time Peabody Award winning children's radio host from Philadelphia, our 7 00:00:44.880 --> 00:00:50.000 go to media guru on all things media and entertainment, 8 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:55.200 and our dear one, Kathy O'Connell. Welcome back back. 9 00:00:55.320 --> 00:01:00.640 You very happy to be here, Kidscorner dot o org. Okay, 10 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.920 that's the end of my ad from now on Family Stone. 11 00:01:05.120 --> 00:01:12.000 Okay. And he is doctor Alfred L. Martin, Junior Chair 12 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:15.200 and Associate Professor in the Department of Cinematic Arts at 13 00:01:15.239 --> 00:01:19.840 the University of Miami, author of The Generic Closet, Black 14 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:25.079 Gayness and The Black Cast sitcom, editor of Rolling Blackness 15 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:29.079 and Mediated Comedy, and co editor of The Golden Girls 16 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:32.719 Essay from the Lunai. He's also the author of Fandom 17 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:38.799 for Us by Us, which contains you someone in there, 18 00:01:39.239 --> 00:01:42.400 You're in it. I am your host, Martha Madrigal, and. 19 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.359 I'm your host. Charles Tyson Junior and. 20 00:01:44.480 --> 00:01:47.239 Alfred Welcome to the Full circle table. 21 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:49.439 Thank you so much for having me. 22 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:54.599 Absolutely absolutely this is we We scheduled this a while 23 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:58.560 back because you were the two people on the planet 24 00:01:58.599 --> 00:02:03.079 we wanted to have this conversation. Yep. I know, Kathy 25 00:02:03.120 --> 00:02:06.879 and I watched this movie religiously every year at least once, 26 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:10.360 if not seven hundred times. So it's it's part of 27 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:13.639 our cannon. And you were just saying you're kind of 28 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:16.000 caught up with that because it wasn't part originally part 29 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:16.719 of yours. 30 00:02:17.199 --> 00:02:17.560 Yeah. 31 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:22.879 So I saw the movie when it initially came out 32 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:29.159 in movie theaters and and it was a perfectly fine 33 00:02:29.439 --> 00:02:35.639 confection of a movie, and and so I didn't necessarily 34 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:40.360 feel like there was a reason for it to come back. 35 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:45.719 So like, for me, my holiday tradition is. 36 00:02:45.599 --> 00:02:52.000 That I watch years ago, I found a recording online 37 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:57.280 of Donald Bird's The Harlem Nutcracker, and so that like 38 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:02.919 that's my holiday trip in terms of media watching, because 39 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:06.080 I also cannot stand the sort of quote unquote traditional 40 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:12.000 Nutcracker after having danced it for many, many many years. 41 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:13.199 Hear the music. 42 00:03:13.680 --> 00:03:17.360 Exactly, and it's really sad because like the music is 43 00:03:17.400 --> 00:03:21.159 so good, but it just has so many bad memories 44 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:21.960 attached to it. 45 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:24.479 But AnyWho, I digress. 46 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.919 So so I Thanksgiving, I was invited to a friend's 47 00:03:29.960 --> 00:03:33.560 house and that was where I watched it for what 48 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:37.879 must have been my second time watching the film Oka 49 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:40.879 and then and and I was like, oh, and I'm 50 00:03:41.159 --> 00:03:42.479 and I was like, hey, be cause I have to 51 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:45.560 watch this for a podcast that I'm doing. And then 52 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.240 I watched it a third time. And then that was 53 00:03:48.280 --> 00:03:51.439 when I feel like I really sort of understood the 54 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:57.879 movie and could sort of say some things about it. 55 00:03:58.159 --> 00:03:59.879 I have to know the after it. I have to know. 56 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.639 At one point there is a piece from The Nutcracker 57 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:07.479 that is used in the movie, the. 58 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:10.120 Russian the Russian dance, and I got yes, and I 59 00:04:10.159 --> 00:04:14.960 got hives during that session figured that yes because actually 60 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:18.519 because also the Russian dance last trap back was the first, 61 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:22.240 the first dance that I ever learned the first time 62 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:23.120 I did the Nutcracker. 63 00:04:23.680 --> 00:04:29.040 Oh you good layers, layers. Yes here. Also, I think 64 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:33.519 that is where when they start going into slapstick. That 65 00:04:33.759 --> 00:04:37.000 is maybe the stupidest moment in this movie. 66 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:41.879 Yes, we're going to get there because without without a question, 67 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.120 because we're sitting here going this doesn't make sense. This 68 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:44.720 doesn't make sense. 69 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.839 Yeah, there's that one part. Yeah, there will be spoilers 70 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:51.560 a plenty. We're going to dissect the whole goddamn movie. 71 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:55.319 But also, I mean, also, there is a way that 72 00:04:55.399 --> 00:05:00.959 we have to start with This entire fucking movie doesn't 73 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:01.959 make any sense. 74 00:05:01.879 --> 00:05:02.240 Thank you. 75 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.480 Okay, man, okay, it does, and it doesn't. 76 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:07.639 I mean and and so and but and so. 77 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:13.040 There's a way that approaching the movie before the credits 78 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:18.680 role as this movie makes no sense, then makes the 79 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:22.959 whole movie make sense, right, Yes, okay, yes, I. 80 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.360 Have to keep telling myself people are not real people 81 00:05:25.480 --> 00:05:28.040 and are not my family. 82 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:29.439 Right, we don't know that. We don't know these people. 83 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:30.560 We don't know these. 84 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:36.319 I feel like I do the type people. You know. 85 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:37.920 I don't love them at all. 86 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:40.639 Now you don't, which is fine. I mean, they're not 87 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:43.360 everyone's cup of day either. 88 00:05:43.639 --> 00:05:48.439 I had a horrible realization just go round that not 89 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:52.439 only do I don't know if I love these people, 90 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:58.399 I am these people. Diana is both my mother and me, 91 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.199 and I believe Sybil is the villain of this whole thing. 92 00:06:03.480 --> 00:06:13.240 We are set up to believe it's Meredith, but Sybil. Yeah, resistic, narcissistic, mothers. Wow, No, 93 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:14.079 wait a. 94 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.639 Minute, we're going to get there first, before we get 95 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:18.920 into the nuts and bolts of this film that arguably 96 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:20.839 many of our listeners probably have no idea what the 97 00:06:20.879 --> 00:06:21.920 fuck we're talking about. 98 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:23.360 Well, I'm hoping they go watch it. 99 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:28.439 Yes, right, it's on Freeform, it's on Hulu, it's on 100 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:29.959 all manner of things. 101 00:06:30.480 --> 00:06:31.519 I watched it on Prime. 102 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.399 Yeah. Yeah. The Family Stone is a film that came 103 00:06:35.399 --> 00:06:38.759 out in two thousand and five. If you can stand it, 104 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:45.879 I know, And it has a star studded cast. Diane Keaton, 105 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:51.399 We've got Luke Wilson, We've got Craig t. Nelson, We've got. 106 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:55.000 What's that very Jessica Parker? 107 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.000 Yeah, that one. Notice how I can't remember her name. 108 00:06:58.160 --> 00:07:04.240 Rachel McAdams, who we Lovemot Dermott, Moulrooney, Dermott, m Verney. 109 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:05.000 I do it every time. 110 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:06.079 Sorry, body does? 111 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:07.800 Oh my wait? 112 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:09.639 Can I can I pause for a half a second. 113 00:07:10.360 --> 00:07:15.199 I had the revelation that, like in the two thousands, 114 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:19.399 he really convinced, like he really tried really hard to 115 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:20.920 convince us that he was attractive. 116 00:07:21.720 --> 00:07:27.639 Right, yes, okay, right, like he like he and listen, 117 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:32.560 he did a whole college try, and you're like, and 118 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:33.639 we were like, and we. 119 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:36.000 Were real close, like we were on the edge of believing. 120 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:39.199 Georgia rule. Right, Georgia rule. 121 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.800 Oh my god, I fucking love Georgia rule. 122 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:43.240 Right. 123 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:48.079 Yeah, the fabulous clar Danes, who doesn't need to convince 124 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:52.600 anyone that she's attractive. So this movie was by and 125 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:57.000 large considered a commercial success. It had a budget of 126 00:07:57.079 --> 00:08:03.519 just eighteen million dollars and right and domestically it grows 127 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.040 sixty point six zero point one million dollars and globally 128 00:08:07.160 --> 00:08:09.120 ninety two point nine million dollars. It was a hit. 129 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:10.199 Yeah. 130 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.199 I never even heard of this fucking thing until one year, 131 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.319 You Martha put it on and we're like, this is 132 00:08:16.319 --> 00:08:18.279 my fan of Christmas movie and I'm watching it like 133 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.000 I've never heard of this before. And then I was like, ooh, 134 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:26.120 these white people are messy. 135 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:32.000 Then that carries a heavy loot in this show. It 136 00:08:32.200 --> 00:08:35.639 really does. There's a euphemission Patrick carry it all. They 137 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:37.159 are the diversity. 138 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:38.519 There one stops shopping. 139 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:40.879 Yes, there's gonna be spoilers all up and through this 140 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:46.360 bad Boy. So so they are they are what like 141 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:49.080 when I was in early early grad school, I wrote 142 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:53.320 this this essay that I've never returned to, but. 143 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:58.240 I would like I called a compound otherness. 144 00:08:57.679 --> 00:09:00.600 Yes, where it was just like you you you you 145 00:09:00.679 --> 00:09:03.279 put the queers in the in the in a show 146 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:07.000 and then like and then you just pile like every 147 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:10.440 bit of otherness that you want in that like movie 148 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:14.039 Pilot on the Gaze. So it's like it's like, we 149 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.919 got the one person of color who's also gay, we 150 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:20.919 got the one person who has a disability in his 151 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:25.080 hearing impairment, and it's like Pilot on the Gaze, and 152 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:27.639 so that everybody else can be quote unquote normal. 153 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:29.919 Oh yeah, I wrote in my notes when Sad and 154 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:34.279 Patrick arrive, look everyone, the diversity has arrived in the movie. 155 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:36.159 And listen and listen. 156 00:09:36.159 --> 00:09:40.159 And they are importantly, they are the first to arrive, 157 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:44.120 so that they so that they set the tone for diversity. 158 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:49.480 And then we get a parade of cis head, dallless, 159 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:50.759 dishwater white people. 160 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:51.440 Thank you. 161 00:09:51.600 --> 00:09:54.000 And they are also the smartest ones because they knew 162 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:56.200 to get a room at the end and not stay 163 00:09:56.240 --> 00:09:56.639 in the house. 164 00:09:57.519 --> 00:09:59.120 That part that. 165 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:01.759 Part, and I wondered why that was That bothered me 166 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:04.799 a little, because they've been here expectation. Where are they 167 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:05.799 just really smart? 168 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:09.039 They've met these motherfuckers. 169 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:11.600 It's the first time this bothered me this time around. 170 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:15.519 Haven't these have Haven't these siblings been out of this 171 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:19.440 house for a while? Why are Ben's and Everett and 172 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:24.679 Amy's rooms still exactly as they left them? Parents done 173 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.440 anything since they like it? Just this movie makes no sense. 174 00:10:29.399 --> 00:10:30.679 These are not real people. 175 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:33.480 But see I've seen that, you know, when the house 176 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.200 is huge and there were a bunch of kids the parents, 177 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:41.080 you know, in a large house with money, the parents 178 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.759 have all the space they need anyway, so that rooms 179 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.440 are time capsules. I've seen this play out. 180 00:10:46.919 --> 00:10:49.159 Welcome home, baby, just like you left it. 181 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:55.159 Among my people. Amy arrives, what next and we get 182 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.480 the whole visual there too. You know in the snapshot 183 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:01.799 of the old Volva stationwaking that the parents probably handed 184 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:06.320 her and the NPR tote bag is bringing her laundry in, 185 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:10.000 so you know, we have we get a whole liberal 186 00:11:10.120 --> 00:11:10.759 vision of her. 187 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:16.679 And so the thing I have to say that I 188 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:21.799 both love and am infuriated by with this movie is that. 189 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:27.320 It is so on the nose, like I mean, and it. 190 00:11:28.960 --> 00:11:31.399 And one of the things that that Kathy and I 191 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:34.600 were talking about a little bit earlier before we started recording. 192 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:38.919 Is like part of why this. 193 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:44.840 Movie is so good but also so bloody terrible is 194 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:49.200 because it is like it is such a paint by 195 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:53.840 number script and like it hits all of the beats 196 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:57.360 that you're supposed to like that you're supposed to to hit. 197 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:04.120 Like within within two seconds of seeing Meredith in that 198 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:09.320 department store with that tightly wound bun not a like 199 00:12:09.360 --> 00:12:13.039 with not a wispy in sight chain to her to 200 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:17.600 her cell phone, she we know everything we need to 201 00:12:17.720 --> 00:12:21.879 know about her. And when Amy is at the other 202 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:26.799 sister Amy, when Amy shows up in that station wagon 203 00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:33.039 and like and spills over the laundry, the laundry like 204 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.559 and that has the NPR tote bag, we know exactly 205 00:12:37.679 --> 00:12:41.159 And we simultaneously then know because it's come on the 206 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:46.480 heels of us introducing Sarah Jessica Parker, we know we've 207 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.679 got a conflict. 208 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:51.039 Correct, and we are set up to hate Meredith from 209 00:12:51.080 --> 00:12:54.519 the get gup, and we are more prepared to hate 210 00:12:54.559 --> 00:12:59.279 Meredith than Everett's family is because she is mean from 211 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.039 the first moment we see. 212 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:01.840 Her, right. 213 00:13:03.159 --> 00:13:03.960 She's on the phone. 214 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:06.759 It's the most honest in the in the in the 215 00:13:06.840 --> 00:13:09.679 movie when he says, you don't even love. 216 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:12.879 Her Mary right right, yeah, but yeah, she's on the phone. 217 00:13:12.879 --> 00:13:14.440 Tell me, I don't care if it is Christmas. I 218 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:15.799 want the five and edited. 219 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:17.919 It comes up in the crazy part of the movie. 220 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.759 But but listen, but let me listen. 221 00:13:21.799 --> 00:13:27.720 Can we also make space for the fact that she 222 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.840 is fucking right, I don't give a ship if it's Christmas. 223 00:13:32.320 --> 00:13:33.840 Yeah, your fucking. 224 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:36.399 Job and you do it right, right well, and I 225 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:38.919 don't give a single damn about christ This is true. 226 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.639 You are absolutely correct. I also wrote in my notes 227 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:44.639 that she is probably one of those coworkers that her 228 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:48.360 fellow co workers have a nasty nickname for, and they 229 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.000 all in her present. 230 00:13:50.720 --> 00:13:53.840 She does listen, she like she does, she absolutely does. 231 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.679 But she is the one who is like U. This 232 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.879 is not America's next top best friend, right, this is 233 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.320 America's next top model. 234 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:03.600 Right. 235 00:14:03.639 --> 00:14:06.200 But here's the second. Here's the thing. And I know 236 00:14:06.200 --> 00:14:08.080 we're going to get to this point because Charles Knight 237 00:14:08.159 --> 00:14:12.799 gone round about this point about the dinner, and I say, 238 00:14:12.919 --> 00:14:18.960 anybody who has gotten to Meredith's level in in business 239 00:14:19.320 --> 00:14:25.000 in the world has become wise enough to fake being 240 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:30.559 a normal human being. And yes see they have two 241 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:36.200 gay people at your table. Are you're really gonna say normal? 242 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:40.320 Are you're really gonna like read the room? Meredith? 243 00:14:40.480 --> 00:14:44.080 Well, I have said many many times that Meredith gives 244 00:14:44.240 --> 00:14:47.960 off that this human suit is itchy vibe, like she 245 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.879 doesn't know how to like have human interactions, She doesn't 246 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:52.399 know how to take a compliment, she doesn't know how 247 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.559 to handle affection, like, yeah, what is her problem? 248 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:00.879 None of these people have social skills. Ben, Ben is 249 00:15:00.879 --> 00:15:04.279 the closest week and he's the fuck up right. 250 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:09.759 So when Ben comes home and Sybil says there's no 251 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.039 smoking pot in the house this time, I mean it, 252 00:15:12.279 --> 00:15:14.440 which means how many times has that really been broken? 253 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:17.639 But then she says, uh, Christmas is not going to 254 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:20.440 be clothing optional this year? We have company. My question 255 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:25.679 is was it clothing optional for the entire family or 256 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:26.320 just for Ben? 257 00:15:27.279 --> 00:15:30.440 I'm thinking Ben because he's the only one. She felt 258 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:31.600 like she had to say it too. 259 00:15:32.480 --> 00:15:36.200 Yeah, and I believe the rest of the family would 260 00:15:36.200 --> 00:15:40.799 have put pressure on Ben that yeah enough already Ben. 261 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:42.120 Nobody needs to see that. 262 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:44.519 So they're not newdiced this. Just Ben likes to walk 263 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.039 around the house, but naked at Christmas time, or in. 264 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:50.080 A towel, or you know, just comes down in the box. 265 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:53.000 I'd be there for that. Yeah, I'd watch the movie 266 00:15:53.039 --> 00:15:54.240 a whole lot more if he did. 267 00:15:55.399 --> 00:15:58.639 Here's the thing is, I would submit that Ben is 268 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.080 probably the only one in the family who is chill 269 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:06.399 enough to be a new list because the fact is is, 270 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:09.679 for for as tightly wound as they like to say 271 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.759 that Meredith is the motherfuckers is tightly wound. 272 00:16:12.480 --> 00:16:19.919 Too, Yes, yes, significantly, less effort is violent and nobody 273 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.320 wants to address All of a sudden he goes from 274 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:26.320 zero to slamming down on the table, and nobody says, 275 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:28.759 what is wrong with you? 276 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:33.039 Nourst Yeah he's. 277 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:36.720 Still before Yeah, I told you. These are not characters. 278 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:38.559 These are real people to me, that's what. 279 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.000 And listen and listen, And here's the thing is, for 280 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:44.480 all of the ways that they like to sort of 281 00:16:45.200 --> 00:16:49.399 pretend like they're a hippie dippy family, they're actually they're 282 00:16:49.440 --> 00:16:52.159 a family who doesn't actually talk about issues. They plaster 283 00:16:52.240 --> 00:16:52.879 that shit over. 284 00:16:53.279 --> 00:16:56.480 And I've been in public broadcasting long enough to know 285 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:01.919 that's exactly who they are. W b Ai, I knew York. 286 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.400 Well, I always say The Family Stone my favorite Christmas 287 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:09.480 movie about a problematic white family, and they're problematic white 288 00:17:09.480 --> 00:17:13.599 house guests. Yes, that's what this is. I do appreciate though, 289 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:18.160 the fact that, you know, because that is hearing impaired. 290 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:23.400 They sprinkle asl throughout the dialogue of the film, and 291 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:25.799 it's it's kind of like Spanglish. They go in and 292 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:27.880 out of it because they don't sign everything they say. 293 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:30.000 They just sign like pointed phrases and things. 294 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:32.960 Which, yeah, and you know, I've read up some on that. 295 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:35.400 I did two things. I read up on that, and 296 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.799 that is very much how it's pretty accurate in the 297 00:17:38.839 --> 00:17:40.759 ways that a hearing family does interact. 298 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:44.000 Well, I was telling Alfred about this earlier. I watched 299 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:47.079 a Q and A with the actors who played the siblings, 300 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:49.480 which is how I finally figured out that it's Luke 301 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:53.960 Wilson who's in the movie now, and they talked about 302 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.799 the naturalness and how everybody did get to use because 303 00:17:58.039 --> 00:18:00.640 tied to You, Donna said, is right around the panel 304 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:05.200 with them, and how everyone was very comfortable learning like Christmases, 305 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.400 except for Craig T. Nelson who couldn't just like gracefully 306 00:18:11.519 --> 00:18:14.920 get any of them. He had the most trouble with 307 00:18:15.039 --> 00:18:18.880 the ASL, and they commented on that very thing, how 308 00:18:19.279 --> 00:18:23.880 very real it was, and how natural everybody in the family. 309 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:26.599 His lack of grace actually read to me as someone 310 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.480 that's just been doing it for so long that it's 311 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.680 just casual and it's like a household dialect evening. It's like, 312 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:34.359 you know, I do this, I mean Christmas, you know 313 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:34.920 what I'm saying. 314 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:38.200 So it does ring true that idea of spanglish. But 315 00:18:38.279 --> 00:18:42.559 I sent the particular clip where, you know, because I 316 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:45.759 could not find an answer online, and Grandma signed something 317 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:49.200 really very bad. But we never know what that is. 318 00:18:49.319 --> 00:18:53.839 No one knows, and so I heard speculation. I sent 319 00:18:53.920 --> 00:18:56.480 the clip to my friend who is an ASL interpreter, 320 00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.440 and she said, honestly, I don't know. I can't see 321 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:04.279 enough to tell you what she just said, And that 322 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.319 was kind of what I heard. So I still don't know. 323 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:08.799 The world will never know what Grandma's on. 324 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:11.799 You know, I assumed it was go fuck yourself, That's 325 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:12.839 what I assumed it was. 326 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:15.839 But I assume that's what it was. I just assumed 327 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:16.599 that from the beginning. 328 00:19:16.839 --> 00:19:19.559 Well, whatever it is, it wasn't the first time that 329 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:21.680 little girl saw it to point it out. 330 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.160 Let me talk about that little girl. Can we get 331 00:19:25.279 --> 00:19:25.839 right to it? 332 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.839 But you can because that starts right in the hallway with. 333 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:33.079 That kid has two D syndrome, you know, daddy, the 334 00:19:33.160 --> 00:19:35.440 rottenest kid who has ever been in a movie, who's 335 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.839 in my favorite movie Meet me in Saint Louis, who 336 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:43.880 never learns that actions have consequences. And I tell you 337 00:19:43.960 --> 00:19:46.839 right now, if I had broken the heel on some 338 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:52.799 guest shoe right they wouldn't be saying, oh, it's okay, 339 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.359 it's okay, Elizabeth, or I think we have glue somewhere. 340 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:01.079 And the mother is I mean, Susan is my favorite 341 00:20:01.119 --> 00:20:04.119 of old siblings. She's the only one I could truly stand. 342 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:06.519 And she just accepts it. 343 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:10.720 Well, we talked about that last night. Susannah is the 344 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:14.680 middle child, one of them, one of the middle middle children, 345 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:16.960 and so like she has that whole like I'm not 346 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:20.319 rocking the boat, I'm not causing waves energy like she 347 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:24.519 never really like, so I'm it probably carries over into house. 348 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.240 She raises that child, it's fine. 349 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:29.720 And we got two of those right, yeah, like, well, 350 00:20:29.839 --> 00:20:31.839 no big deal. And but I keep saying, in the 351 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:35.200 child's defense, she asked a question and she was ignored. 352 00:20:35.559 --> 00:20:37.920 She didn't get an answer, so therefore she didn't have 353 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:39.599 permission to touch anyone else's shoes. 354 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:43.599 And I'm like, well, she tried. She tried. 355 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:47.039 If I say, can I play with your shoes? And 356 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:49.240 I don't get an answer that is not implied, yes, 357 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.319 that is, leave it alone until you get the answer 358 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:52.960 to your question. 359 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:59.640 Exactly and obviously upside stranger I've never met, exactly can 360 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.119 I with your shoes? 361 00:21:01.519 --> 00:21:03.799 Especially when you said to her, I like your shoes 362 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:07.079 and she acted like you spat at her feet because 363 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:09.559 she didn't know how to take a fucking compliment. So 364 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:11.359 I wouldn't want to touch your shoes. 365 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.279 No, so they did not get a look. I have 366 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:16.599 to say, one thing I did learn from that Q 367 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:19.480 and A is that Luke Wilson and that little girl 368 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:20.680 did not like each other. 369 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:26.400 Really, Yes, so I thought, my favorite thing, because I 370 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:32.359 don't have children, it's like, is like like adult child 371 00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:36.480 like rivalries. Like I just fucking love that because like, 372 00:21:36.519 --> 00:21:39.480 from the adults perspective, it makes no goddamn sense that 373 00:21:39.559 --> 00:21:41.480 you would hate a kid this much. 374 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.200 Yes, but like, but like somehow you do. 375 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:47.720 My like my child, like the child I hate who 376 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:50.319 were no longer a child. But the child I used 377 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:52.240 to hate who was moving around in the world was 378 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:55.880 Mattie Ziggler from Dance Moms. 379 00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:59.559 Yes, mom, I used to Oh my god, I hated 380 00:21:59.599 --> 00:22:01.119 her and she. 381 00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:02.319 Didn't want to get famous. 382 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:04.880 Oh yeah, she's She was the one who danced with 383 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:08.119 Sea for a bit that one. Yeah yeah, yeah. 384 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:13.319 But anyway, I love when adults hate children's to do. 385 00:22:14.559 --> 00:22:17.359 Can they? Oh yeah, you get really you almost you 386 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.200 get itchy when that happens, Like, why is no one 387 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.599 disciplining this? Because I remember that I want to watch 388 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:25.359 this movie? 389 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:29.480 Oh my god, how are you kid? You want to 390 00:22:29.519 --> 00:22:30.000 see ten? 391 00:22:30.759 --> 00:22:33.799 Nobody's watching the kitchen and it's like not like they're 392 00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:36.759 forty seven kids and she's getting bust in the shuffle. 393 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:37.880 Thank you, thank you. 394 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:39.839 Watch. 395 00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:42.720 Yeah, she's actually the only one who has kids. 396 00:22:42.519 --> 00:22:47.000 Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, she's until until Sad and Patrick 397 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.839 get Gus, who is king of the world. So how 398 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:53.160 do you think the other little boy cousin feels here 399 00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:57.079 in that oh Gus king of the world. Well you 400 00:22:57.160 --> 00:22:58.359 can't do this to say, man. 401 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:01.039