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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray i'ebs Costin's new radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we get to our guest this hour, just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>take one moment to give you an opportunity to win

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of tickets to see Celtic Thunder. If you

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<v Speaker 2>a caller ten, I'm gonna give you the number. Dial

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<v Speaker 2>away six one, seven nine three, one ten thirty. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>please do not take these tickets unless you're gonna use them,

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<v Speaker 2>because they have great tickets. Call on number ten right

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<v Speaker 2>now at six one, seven, nine three, one ten thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll win two tickets to Celtic Thunder at the Premier

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<v Speaker 2>Theater at Foxwoods on November seventh. You set off on

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<v Speaker 2>a musical journey with the Irish music sensations Celtic Thunder Live.

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<v Speaker 2>Complete show information and tickets are available at Foxwoods dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>So the number to call is six one seven nineth three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. Dan is simply gonna tell you a

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<v Speaker 2>call the number one and he'll hang up.

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<v Speaker 3>He will.

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<v Speaker 2>He will tell calling number ten. Yeah, you call it

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<v Speaker 2>number ten and you won. So he's gonna go right

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<v Speaker 2>to one, two, three, four, five, sixty seven eight nine.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, if you're calling number four, or

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<v Speaker 2>you calling number two? Are you calling number whatever? You

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<v Speaker 2>can call back and you can just if you're lucky ten.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like musical chairs. Six one seven, nine three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. The lines are now open and Dan's

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<v Speaker 2>going to clear them as quickly as he can. Just

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<v Speaker 2>keep calling, and as soon as we get a winner,

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<v Speaker 2>he will let me know again. Two tickets to see

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<v Speaker 2>Celtic Thunder at the Premier Theater in Foxwoods Great great

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<v Speaker 2>great location, great great performance, November seventh. That's a week

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<v Speaker 2>from Thursday, and you have to call the contest line,

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<v Speaker 2>which is at this hour six.

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<v Speaker 3>One seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. You'll win two.

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<v Speaker 2>Tickets to see Celtic Thunder at the Premier Theater at

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<v Speaker 2>Foxwood's on November seven, set off on a musical journey

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<v Speaker 2>with the Irish Music Sensations. I'm told it is a

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<v Speaker 2>great show. Celtic Thunder Live, Complete show information tickets available

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<v Speaker 2>at Foxwoods dot com. And as soon as we get

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<v Speaker 2>a winner at that number six one, seven, nine thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>We will let you know.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, I'm going to introduce my guest this

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<v Speaker 2>hour and I am delighted to be joined tonight by

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<v Speaker 2>with a young man who I spent some time talking

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<v Speaker 2>with today, CJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Leconte.

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<v Speaker 2>He's from the group called Massachusetts for Mental Health Options.

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<v Speaker 2>They are supporting a yes vote on ballot question number four.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I'm told we have a winner,

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<v Speaker 2>so you can stop dialing. We'll give away tickets tomorrow night,

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday night, and Friday night, also right after the nine

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock news. So if you didn't make it tonight, you've

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<v Speaker 2>still got three more shots tomorrow night, Thursday and Friday night.

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<v Speaker 2>So CJ. Laconte, CJ. First of all, welcome to Night's

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<v Speaker 2>at How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>I'll doing great, Dan, thank you for having me. Congrats

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<v Speaker 4>to the winner of the Telvision.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, those are good tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jay, you are probably going to shadow the stereotype

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<v Speaker 2>that some people might have of somebody who is a

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<v Speaker 2>one of the spokespeople from Massachusetts for Mental Health Options

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<v Speaker 2>voting yes on question four. Question four is described as

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<v Speaker 2>a law proposed by initiative petition limited legalization and regulation

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<v Speaker 2>of certain natural psychedelic substances. First of all, tell us

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<v Speaker 2>what is meant by natural psychedelic substances. We have had

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation of about ten days ago, twelve days ago

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<v Speaker 2>now with a doctor from Toft's University of Tufts Medical School,

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Messir Gami, and he is opposed to question four.

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<v Speaker 3>But tell us what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I'm want to know what your experience is

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<v Speaker 2>and what brought you to this point in your life

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<v Speaker 2>where you were advocating for the legalization and regulation of

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<v Speaker 2>certain natural psychedelic substances.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Absolutely, having to dive into that. So the natural substances,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's not a synthetically derived substance if it's

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<v Speaker 4>from a plant or a fung gui based and you

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<v Speaker 4>know what we're seeing. I mean, we can get it.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll get into this later. But what we're kind of seeing,

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<v Speaker 4>because it is a very nascent space, a very tricky

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<v Speaker 4>space to kind of get into. What we're seeing from

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<v Speaker 4>the FDA clinical trials going there is that there's synthetically

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<v Speaker 4>derived versions of these substances, of these psychedelic substances going

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<v Speaker 4>through clinical trials. Now, what we're talking about is the

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<v Speaker 4>natural natural fungi based plant medicines that have long histories

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<v Speaker 4>of traditional, traditional and indigenous use that date back millennium.

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<v Speaker 4>They have extremely low addiction potential almost none, and there's

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<v Speaker 4>no known lethal dose for these natural substances.

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, yeah, well we're not talking about what people

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<v Speaker 5>would think of as LSD and doctor Timothy Leary type stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yeah, LSD is not on the is not on

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<v Speaker 4>yes on four, it's it's yeah. So it's a psilocybin silicen,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the active metabolite of psilocybin, and I can

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<v Speaker 4>get into that, but it's a psiloicibin pilicen mescaline d

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<v Speaker 4>MT and I began.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you know a lot about this because you've

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<v Speaker 2>experienced this, as I understand it.

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<v Speaker 3>But your background is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a local guy who went to West Point, graduated

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<v Speaker 2>from West Point. Tell us about your time in the

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<v Speaker 2>military and what you've done subsequent to your time in

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<v Speaker 2>the military.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely, so. I graduated from West Point in twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>as an infantry officer. My first duty assignment was out

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<v Speaker 4>at four Cars in Colorado, where I had the opportunity

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<v Speaker 4>to deploy as a rifle portune leader. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think it was the greatest honor and privilege of a

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<v Speaker 4>lifetime to leave thirty six soldiers in the deployed environment.

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<v Speaker 4>It was also really the first time that I, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>saw the devastating toll of mental health firsthand.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>While we were overseas, I had four soldiers attempts suicide

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<v Speaker 4>in one of which I unfortunately witnessed when we were

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<v Speaker 4>over there. You know, not even six months after getting back,

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<v Speaker 4>we did tragically lose one two suicide. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think as leaders, we reflect the praise and shoulder the blame.

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<v Speaker 4>And that suicide really hit me hard. At my next assignment,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I began really having nightmares, started lashing out,

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<v Speaker 4>my marriage started suffering, and I just spought to myself

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<v Speaker 4>that this will get better when I get out, when

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<v Speaker 4>the uniform comes off, it'll be all sunshine, rainbows, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and be more wrong. I got out in about two

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<v Speaker 4>year or a little over two years ago now, in

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<v Speaker 4>March of twenty twenty two, and was going to business school.

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<v Speaker 4>The world should have been, you know, all all great,

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<v Speaker 4>but it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>I was on nine different medications through the VA and

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<v Speaker 4>was spiraling, you know, and just completely numb to the

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<v Speaker 4>world and incapacitated with apathy, and you know, I think

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<v Speaker 4>and the worst part about kind of My story is

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<v Speaker 4>that I did what I was told to do right.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I I followed the quote unquote orders right. I

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<v Speaker 4>went to the VA. I sought out help and want

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<v Speaker 4>to help you get you know, is a ten minute

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<v Speaker 4>medication management appointment every quarter and nine different medications to

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<v Speaker 4>keep track of. When that doesn't work, you start to

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<v Speaker 4>think that you're the problem. You start to think what's

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<v Speaker 4>the point of even trying? Right? And Yeah, went into

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<v Speaker 4>my uh second semester at business school, I I started

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<v Speaker 4>having some suicidal ideation. It was actually hospitalized at the

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<v Speaker 4>Philadelphia v A with that suicidal ideation. And yeah, that

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<v Speaker 4>was a low point. I've never been more kind of dehumanized, abandoned, alone,

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<v Speaker 4>afraid ever in my life. And it's actually in that.

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<v Speaker 3>Moment, we'd we'll be deployed overseas.

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<v Speaker 4>Middle least Kuwait, Jordan, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was still, uh it might not have been

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<v Speaker 2>a hot zone, but it certainly was a zone where

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<v Speaker 2>you had to be careful. And uh uh you were

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<v Speaker 2>you you were not in the in the in the

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<v Speaker 2>comforting arms of the the the U s A. You

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<v Speaker 2>were you were in in the territory and a part

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<v Speaker 2>of the world where bad things could happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yeah, correct, we uh, there were some tricky situations

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<v Speaker 4>over there, yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And because of what you witness is really impacted you.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to take a break and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about how you came to find some help with

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<v Speaker 2>these psychedelics, and also invite people to call and join

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. My understanding is that this, of all the

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<v Speaker 2>ballot questions, the polling that has been done on this

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<v Speaker 2>question is the one that is as close close to

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<v Speaker 2>fifty to fifty as any. We will have a conversation

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday night at nine o'clock. I spoke with you

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<v Speaker 2>earlier about this, and talked with doctor Nasa Nasa Gami

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this evening, and we'll spend about an hour on

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<v Speaker 2>Friday night at nine o'clock with both of you in

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<v Speaker 2>a conversation, not a debate, but a conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>But I want to give you an.

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<v Speaker 2>Opportunity tonight to take as many questions as possible and

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<v Speaker 2>explain why you feel this is a frontier at which

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<v Speaker 2>we as a society have arrived, and why it is

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<v Speaker 2>something that will be beneficial to you and others, not

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<v Speaker 2>something that everybody should be doing. This is this is

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<v Speaker 2>not as a broad based and I want to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure people understand that as well. Give you a chance

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<v Speaker 2>to explain that tonight and also a couple of nights

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<v Speaker 2>from now when we have both points of view, when

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<v Speaker 2>we bring both points of view together, which I think

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<v Speaker 2>is an important an important hour for people to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back on night's side. You have the numbers, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty or six

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<v Speaker 2>one seven, nine three one ten thirty if you'd like

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<v Speaker 2>to speak with my guest. He is a veteran military

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<v Speaker 2>veteran graduate of West Point, has an NBA from the

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<v Speaker 2>Wharton School, and is currently going to the Kennedy School

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<v Speaker 2>of Government.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's he's he's just twenty nine years old. And

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<v Speaker 2>although twenty nine and I'm sure seems pretty old to him,

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<v Speaker 2>for those of us who have passed that age and

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<v Speaker 2>long past that age, we realize that he has an

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<v Speaker 2>entire life in front of him. He has sacrificed and served,

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<v Speaker 2>and he finds some help with these psychedelics. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think that he is a very effective spokesperson, just as

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<v Speaker 2>doctor n Sergami is a very effective spokesperson on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of this issue, and it's an issue that

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<v Speaker 2>I think people should think about long and hard in advance.

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<v Speaker 3>If they haven't voted already. We'll be back on nights.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel free to join the conversation right after a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of messages.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>to Night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guest is CJ. Leconti, West Point graduate in twenty seventeen,

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<v Speaker 2>served in the military, was deployed overseas, and while he

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<v Speaker 2>was there, he witnessed some things that most of us

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<v Speaker 2>would never witness in our life a lifetime. And he

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<v Speaker 2>has seen and himself suffered from suicidal ideation. And he

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<v Speaker 2>has participated and received these natural psychedelic substances, and he

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<v Speaker 2>swears that they.

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<v Speaker 3>Have helped him.

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<v Speaker 2>How were you able to legally be treated with these

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<v Speaker 4>this medication cocktail that you're on, the nine different pills

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<v Speaker 4>I was completely taken it back, thank you, but just

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<v Speaker 4>taking a back right, like I'm being told to take psychedelics,

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<v Speaker 4>which are to me this thing that the hippie fringes

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't have the money to go overseas, so what's left? Right?

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<v Speaker 4>like it's legal or student I legal is decriminalized for

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<v Speaker 4>unlimited cultivation right now, and the municipalities in Massachusetts already

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<v Speaker 4>and a plethora of other cities throughout the United States.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's it's accessible, right, it is what I'm getting at.

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<v Speaker 3>How long? How long is the experience? Is it like

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<v Speaker 3>And and do you need another person they.

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<v Speaker 6>What does this what does this product do to you

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<v Speaker 6>during that experience? In other w it's this is something

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<v Speaker 3>It's a relatively pleasant experience.

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<v Speaker 2>And when you come out of it, your view of

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<v Speaker 3>More positive one. How would you describe it that way?

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<v Speaker 4>kind of unlike anything. It's not you know, it's not

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<v Speaker 4>like drinking alcohol and getting a buzz. It's not like smoking,

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<v Speaker 4>like a scary word, but it's not that you're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to like see a demon, right. And for me,

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<v Speaker 4>I was I again, this is sounds odd, but I

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<v Speaker 4>And I met him in my experience and he at

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<v Speaker 4>the time, right, I had such a low view of myself,

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<v Speaker 4>killing myself. And I felt so alone, you know, right,

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<v Speaker 4>in my in my mind. And and he took me

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<v Speaker 4>through my different parts of my life and showed me,

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<v Speaker 4>how loved and supported you are at this lacrosse tournament

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<v Speaker 4>when you're eleven. Right, And they was just showing me

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<v Speaker 4>how all of these dots were connected throughout my life.

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<v Speaker 4>And and I, yeah, I don't know, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>I have to ask you this CJ Okay, guys, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure people in the audience. Do you feel that through

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<v Speaker 2>this experience you met with your grandfather in what for

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Or do you feel that your mind was released so

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<v Speaker 2>things that your grandfather probably had told you when you

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<v Speaker 4>That's a great question. That's a great question. And and honestly,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, my mentor and told me all of these

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let me take the pressure off you here

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<v Speaker 2>for a second, and let's we got to go to

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<v Speaker 2>a newscast, and in the meantime, we're going to invite

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<v Speaker 2>be guest focused, is what I'm asking my callers to

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<v Speaker 2>do this evening. We will have a conversation on Friday night, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>forty eight hours from now, actually, excuse me.

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<v Speaker 3>More than forty seventy two hours from now.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me get my math right here Friday night at

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<v Speaker 2>nine o'clock with CJ uh and with doctor Gami who

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<v Speaker 2>Gami UH, who takes.

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<v Speaker 3>A very different view of this.

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<v Speaker 2>And it will be a civil conversation, not a debate,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a discussion, conversation, and we hope that will

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<v Speaker 2>help you decide as to how you want are going

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<v Speaker 2>to vote on ballot initiative question. For as you can tell,

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<v Speaker 2>my guest CJ. Lacanti feels very definitely yes and doctor

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<v Speaker 2>Gami expressed very definite no. So there's not probably a

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<v Speaker 2>a great conversation on Friday night at nine o'clock. Back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside with my guest, who's a yes vote on

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<v Speaker 2>proposition for a limited legalization and regulation of certain natural

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<v Speaker 3>CJ. Laconte. Back on Nightside after.

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<v Speaker 1>This, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w

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<v Speaker 3>My guest the CJ. Leconte.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a graduate of West Point, has an NBA from

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<v Speaker 2>the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania. He's currently

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<v Speaker 2>an advocate for Question four on the Massachusetts ballot this fall.

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<v Speaker 2>Let us get right to phone calls and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>to as many people as we can between now and

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<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock. Let me start off with Thomas and Quincy. Thomas,

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<v Speaker 2>your first this hour on night Side with my guest, CJ.

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<v Speaker 3>Leconte.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, guys, should I turn the radio the speaker of.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a good idea as sure that My

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<v Speaker 7>Right now, go ready ahead, tight, I'm Thomas. Hi, mister

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<v Speaker 7>Dan Ry, first and foremost, you are one of DCL men,

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<v Speaker 7>right that carried the radio news, but you carried the

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<v Speaker 7>television news with that redhead flat top. But anyway, we

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<v Speaker 7>get to mister C representative for possibly alternative H treatment

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<v Speaker 7>for Depression obsession PTSD and and the kind and the like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that you you kind of have have

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<v Speaker 2>covered the waterfront here? Do you do you have a

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<v Speaker 7>You said that I covered the waterfront. I am a

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<v Speaker 7>last strike. I've been a long showman for twenty two years.

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<v Speaker 7>I suffer from PTSD. My question is this, Uh, I'm

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<v Speaker 7>microdos right, Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what microdose means? What what what are

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<v Speaker 4>To is a small amount of psilocybin?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that I was involved that everybody else was involved in.

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<v Speaker 7>Dan Mister Dan, Mister Dan Ray, I would never tell

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<v Speaker 7>right and tripping and all that and masculine. I tell

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<v Speaker 7>you I suffer from PTSD. I don't know. Maybe I

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<v Speaker 7>But have.

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<v Speaker 3>You talked to you doctor, Tom?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you talked with a psychologist or have you sought

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<v Speaker 7>No, I don't have a PCP, a PHP. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>But no, But Tom, just listen to me for a second.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking you whether or not you've ever, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>gone to a psychologist, a psychiatrist and talked about your problems.

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<v Speaker 3>How did you get No, that's a big note. Okay, enough, No,

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<v Speaker 7>Unfortunately, I have it, and I think that's my next step.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope, I hope it has to be.

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<v Speaker 7>Of Course, I'm a proactive guy. I'm not calling to

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<v Speaker 7>bring the show down. I'm calling it to let's let's

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<v Speaker 7>let's look at these alternative roots.

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<v Speaker 2>Because okay, so you're on the Yeah, okay, c J One,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, absolutely, Thomas, thank you so much for for calling

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<v Speaker 4>him in and really appreciate it. I think that, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>and and and really apparent and really appreciate the work

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<v Speaker 4>can reach out to anybody, not even have it. I

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<v Speaker 4>mean I when I got out of the military, I

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<v Speaker 4>had no idea how to you set up an appointment

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<v Speaker 4>with a PCP, let alone, how to find a therapist,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. So I definitely feel you

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<v Speaker 4>there and and rough tough. Yeah, it's tough.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean I think that's why I have undiagnosed PTSD,

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<v Speaker 7>undiagnosed mental illness.

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<v Speaker 3>In the like.

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<v Speaker 7>And but listen, a show like this, mister dan Ray,

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<v Speaker 7>you are on the cutting edge, avant god of mental

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<v Speaker 7>health and awareness.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to hang out.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate it, and I hope you continue to listen.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you right back at you.

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely well, well, can I get that.

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<v Speaker 3>For first time?

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<v Speaker 2>Call always here, We'll get the digital audience laws here absolutely.

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<v Speaker 7>Mister cg a West point to thank you for your.

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<v Speaker 3>Good night.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, as you can see, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people out there who might benefit from this. Let's continue

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<v Speaker 2>our conversation. Let me go to Andrea and act and

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<v Speaker 2>she's been holding on a long time Andrew, I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to get you in here before the commercial break right ahead.

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you for yourself and the prior an for serving

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<v Speaker 8>our contry. I'm sure it's not easier, you know, coming

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<v Speaker 8>back with sometimes the way that America is right now.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sorry for the trauma that you went through. So

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<v Speaker 8>I'm a healthcare professional and I really believe in anything

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<v Speaker 8>that treats or helps anyone with depression or any kind

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<v Speaker 8>of always moss, so my understanding, and please correct me

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<v Speaker 8>if a yes vote says that you can form an

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<v Speaker 8>advisory committee for regulation. Yeah, and then number two was

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<v Speaker 8>is anyone over twenty and can grow, use or possess?

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<v Speaker 8>So I guess my question is why not just allow

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<v Speaker 8>it an inpatient setting? Why take the chance of allowing

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<v Speaker 8>someone to have hallucinations on the outside If there's no

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<v Speaker 8>regulation committee at this time, like, why not take the

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<v Speaker 8>step to have a committee and then have studies and

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<v Speaker 8>then all loot once it's you know, people aren't jumping

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<v Speaker 8>in front of trains, are seeing bats flying or you know.

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<v Speaker 8>And I know that the VA, unfortunately is very very

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<v Speaker 8>you know, it's a difficult place because there's so you know,

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<v Speaker 8>healthcare today it's just very difficult to you know, there's

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<v Speaker 8>so many people trying to get into.

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<v Speaker 4>The system, but it's not the most supportive.

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<v Speaker 3>A great question, Andrea. Let's let's see J respond to that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a it's a great question. Go ahead, c J. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>So why the home grow is is in the ballot measure? Is?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's the AMAS official recommendation is for the

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<v Speaker 4>elimination of all criminal penalties for possession of psychedelics for

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<v Speaker 4>personal use. And in fact, I would actually argue that

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<v Speaker 4>the home Growth provision is actually providing a framework to

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<v Speaker 4>what is already happening all around us right here in Massachusetts,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I mean eight municipalities have already allowed unlimited

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<v Speaker 4>cultivation for personal use. So what this ballot measure does

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<v Speaker 4>is actually standardize and narrow those parameters on a statewide basis.

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<v Speaker 4>And there haven't been any issues in those eight municipalities yet.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that the criminalization of natural psychedelics really

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<v Speaker 4>fuels the black market. It does not prevent people from

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<v Speaker 4>accessing psychedelics, but it does force them to navigate a

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<v Speaker 4>very risky underground market or travel out of state or

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<v Speaker 4>to a different country. And you know what this does,

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<v Speaker 4>is it allows people to have an open and honest

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<v Speaker 4>conversation with health care providers such as yourself. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>for me personally, I wasn't able to talk to a

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<v Speaker 4>doctor about this because when I tried to open up about, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking about taking psychedelics, I was told, don't talk

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<v Speaker 4>about that, You're going to take your your VA benefits

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<v Speaker 4>are going to get taken away.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>So so what this does is allow people to have

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<v Speaker 4>those conversations with their doctors and then, you know, God forbid, right,

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<v Speaker 4>something does go wrong when you are under the influence

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<v Speaker 4>of a psychedelic and you need help, isn't it better

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<v Speaker 4>to make the call to an EMT, make the call

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<v Speaker 4>to nine one one without the fear of being arrested

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<v Speaker 4>without you know. So that's kind of that. That's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of why the Home grow Personal Use Provision is in

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<v Speaker 4>the in the balot no no, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>I get the whole regulations over regulations, over regulation, but

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<v Speaker 8>why haven't they already sent up an advisory com many

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<v Speaker 8>who have tested, you know, especially here in Boston and

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<v Speaker 8>Massachusetts with Harvard and m I T and others, to

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<v Speaker 8>make sure that it's safe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's a real that's a real political question. Andrea,

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<v Speaker 2>let me tell you, the legislature probably is not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on a cutting edge on something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there's a lot within the medical community,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk with them, uh doctor Nasa Gami, uh

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<v Speaker 2>with with CJ on Friday night, and I hope you'll

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<v Speaker 2>listen at nine o'clock, because, uh, this is not a

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<v Speaker 2>drug that's recognized by the DEA. It's still on as

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that, and I'm not an expert, it's on

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<v Speaker 2>the DEA uh proscribed list.

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<v Speaker 3>And as a consequence, a lot of doctors and a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of medical institutions don't want to jeopardize their their relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with the government by getting involved in something like this.

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<v Speaker 3>Fair statement, c J.

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<v Speaker 4>Question, I question.

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<v Speaker 7>One thing you can get it in patient?

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<v Speaker 4>Is that correct? And go in the sight?

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<v Speaker 7>No? No, no, no, okay.

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<v Speaker 4>No, yeah, that's wheah you have to yeah, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 4>have SJ.

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<v Speaker 2>It was my characterization fear in terms of why the

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<v Speaker 2>hesitancy of the medical establishment.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably oh yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>And young kids though, we're going to be responsible not

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<v Speaker 8>to pass it on to like high school kids. It's

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<v Speaker 8>their only twenty one I guess I don't trying to

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<v Speaker 8>say yeah, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, we're probably gonna probably Andrews, I'm up way past

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<v Speaker 2>my break because I didn't want you to hold on

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<v Speaker 2>much longer, and unfortunately I have.

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<v Speaker 3>To take a break.

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<v Speaker 2>But we're going to get back to this on Friday

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<v Speaker 2>night with both points of view with CJ along with

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<v Speaker 2>doctor nir got me of tough medical uh, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>we'll go to some of these questions and if you feel,

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<v Speaker 2>because you have a real interest in this, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to get involved in calling on Friday night, you're more

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<v Speaker 2>than not going to do that as well.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, Oh, thank you, and thank you J.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so thank you much.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Andrew back on Nightside six one seven thirty six

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<v Speaker 2>Month seven nine thirty will conclude this this hour with

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<v Speaker 2>my guest c J. Leconte again West Point graduate has

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<v Speaker 2>a degree from Wharton and NBA from Wharton and is

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<v Speaker 2>currently at the Kennedy.

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<v Speaker 3>School and he is dealing with and an.

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<v Speaker 2>Advocate for psychedelic substances, the the limited legalization and regulation

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<v Speaker 2>which is question for in the Massachusetts ballot this fall.

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<v Speaker 3>Back on Nightside right after.

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<v Speaker 1>This, now back to Dan ray Line from The Window World.

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<v Speaker 1>Night Side studios on w b Z the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get one more caller in here, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is Patrick from Charlestown. Patrick, you're on with with

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<v Speaker 2>my guest c J. Lacontent do write hid Patrick?

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<v Speaker 7>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>C J?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, Patrick, We're good.

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<v Speaker 7>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Little T tell you what your question of comment?

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<v Speaker 9>My My question in comment CJ is a you know,

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<v Speaker 9>I'm a I'm gonna lie of the Kennedy school myself,

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<v Speaker 9>and I have to say, CJ, I'm disappointed in you. No,

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<v Speaker 9>I don't think any reasonable person believes the way.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take it a judgment free zone tonight. Patrick. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't really know him.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know, but he's yeah, I don't know that.

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<v Speaker 2>You have that right to be disappointed. You can disagree

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<v Speaker 2>with him, but don't be disappointed. Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I do have a right to say I've dealt

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<v Speaker 9>with a lot of the carnage of the drug crisis

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<v Speaker 9>in Massachusetts and seeing what it's led to and and listen, listen,

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<v Speaker 9>mister Laconti, you're going to be remembered like Francis Forbes

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<v Speaker 9>in the Sackler family. When we have people who are

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<v Speaker 9>suffering from mental breakdowns and suicides and deaths resulting from this,

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<v Speaker 9>and you will be long gone with Uh what did

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<v Speaker 9>you You formed an LLC? Right, you formed an LLC

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<v Speaker 9>to to profit from this, Right, it's formed that. What

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<v Speaker 9>what's it? Out of Duxbury? So that's your LC? Listen Loo, Kanti, Lookanti,

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<v Speaker 9>we're onto you, buddy. You're going to kill him? O?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what, Patrick?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to make it personally, we'll a little end

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation. You got the plank ready there. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick needs to take a swim. It would be very

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<v Speaker 2>very helpful, I think to get him going. Here we go, Patrick,

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy see Jay. I have no idea what what that

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<v Speaker 2>gentleman was referring to making some pretty interesting allegations. We

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<v Speaker 2>have no idea who he is, no idea what his

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<v Speaker 2>experience is. You have explained your experience to us fully

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<v Speaker 2>and totally. It's pretty clear to me that from your

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<v Speaker 2>life experience, this is something that that you feel very

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<v Speaker 2>deeply about. And I'm sorry that I ended on what

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<v Speaker 2>I would call a negative note, but as I said

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<v Speaker 2>to my producer before we put Patrick on, I said,

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<v Speaker 2>Patrick is always it's one of these guys who is

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<v Speaker 2>often mistaken, but never in doubt. He will have a

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<v Speaker 2>strong point of view whatever the issue is. And I

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<v Speaker 2>figured he's either going to be one hundred percent behind

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<v Speaker 2>you or he's going to accuse you of all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of skull dodgery and motivation. Uh. And I just if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to address anything that he said to feel

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<v Speaker 2>free if if you don't, we can just move on.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean disappointed in me for seeking out, healing

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<v Speaker 4>and saving my life. So yeah, I you know, I

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<v Speaker 4>take that for what it is. I think that's an

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<v Speaker 4>interesting and interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect that that you would be more than happy

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<v Speaker 2>to compare your military service and your academic records with Patrick.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing that's beautiful. The callers can remain anonymous

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<v Speaker 2>in these programs CJ. And even even with the caution

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<v Speaker 2>of telling him that, I don't know how he has

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<v Speaker 2>a right to be disappointed in someone. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people who I disagree with on different issues, but

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<v Speaker 2>I've never felt so superior to other people then I

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<v Speaker 2>would say I'm disappointed. I might disagree with someone, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just if folks. If folks want more

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<v Speaker 2>information on the yes position, and we will have you

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<v Speaker 2>with us on Friday Night with doctor Gami.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you have any questions on how that's going

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<v Speaker 2>to go, I explained to today, feel free to reach

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<v Speaker 2>back to me, as doctor Gami is more than willing,

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<v Speaker 2>uh more than able to reach back to me as well.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be a civil and a polite conversation and there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be no spurious allegations against against anyone. How can folks

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<v Speaker 2>get in touch with the Yes Yes on four committee?

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<v Speaker 3>If if such a committee exists?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh? Yes on four? Is uh m a for mental

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<v Speaker 4>health uh dot org. So that's m a f O

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<v Speaker 4>R mental health dot org And uh yeah, that's probably

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<v Speaker 4>the best way to get involved. Yeah. I would say

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<v Speaker 4>I would give out my email and you could reach

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<v Speaker 4>out directly to me. But I don't know if people

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<v Speaker 4>like Patrick Patrick out there, I might take that back now,

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<v Speaker 4>So but yeah you can.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, I think go through the group and go

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<v Speaker 3>through the institution.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's just disappointing that people, uh, you know, through

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<v Speaker 2>the anonymity of a telephone call, they can make allegations

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<v Speaker 2>which have no basis in fact, and even if there's

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<v Speaker 2>a basis in fact for them to question someone's motive

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<v Speaker 2>it's totally unfair. So I apologize for Patrick, but probably

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<v Speaker 2>not the first or the last time I'll have to

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<v Speaker 2>apologize for him. And I'll look forward to talking with

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<v Speaker 2>you and doctor Gammy on on Friday night at nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much, CJ.

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<v Speaker 2>You so much appreciate it, and thank you, and thank

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<v Speaker 2>you very much for your service.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way that I should.

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<v Speaker 4>Have well, thank you for your service.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be back here. Thanks again, Patrick, CJ.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back on night side and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk right after the ten o'clock news at Emerson College.

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<v Speaker 3>Poster Spencer Kimball.

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<v Speaker 2>There's an election next week, and around this time next

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<v Speaker 2>Tuesday night, we may have a pretty good idea who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the next president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>We might get a little bit of an insight from

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<v Speaker 2>Spencer right after the ten o'clock news.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay with us.

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<v Speaker 2>We're calling all people of interest in politics right after

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<v Speaker 2>the ten