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<v Speaker 1>It's with Dan Ray. I'm tell you Boston News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'd like to open up a conversation about the

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<v Speaker 2>indicted Boston City councilor uh Tanier Fernandez Anderson. And this

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<v Speaker 2>indictment came down. I think it was last Friday, if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not mistaken, I was off and yesterday there were

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of stories that were uh overwhelming, the capture

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<v Speaker 2>of Luigi uh Maine Mangioni in Altoona, Pennsylvania, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as the acquittal of Daniel Penny in that New York

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<v Speaker 2>case what uh the case that resulted in the death

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<v Speaker 2>of a homeless person on a New York subway. I

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<v Speaker 2>was reading a walker's calumn in the Boston Globe. He

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty tough on Fernandez Anderson, as I will be.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Herald, on forget which day it was,

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<v Speaker 2>the Herald calls for her to resign. I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>Mayor Wu has also called for her resignation, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think she should resign as well. And the reason I

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<v Speaker 2>think she should resign is not so much for what

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<v Speaker 2>she is charged. I mean, she's been charged with a

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<v Speaker 2>serious set of crimes by the US Attorney here in Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. Apparently she now is looking for

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<v Speaker 2>court appointed council although she earns one hundred and fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars as a Boston City councilor. She has had

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<v Speaker 2>a fairly controversial term. She's in her second term. She's

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<v Speaker 2>got herself into some campaign finance violations. Allegedly she had

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<v Speaker 2>hired her sister and her son and given them very

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<v Speaker 2>quick bonuses in two In twenty two, she now finds

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<v Speaker 2>herself again. This is an allegation, but it's an allegation

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<v Speaker 2>that has resulted in an indictment. She enjoys the presumption

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<v Speaker 2>of innocence that she hired another individual and that that

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<v Speaker 2>individual was given a raise of thirteen thousand dollars, and

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<v Speaker 2>as a result of that raise, Anderson allegedly took back

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand in cash in a city hall bathroom. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time, she owed five thousand dollars to the State

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<v Speaker 2>Ethics Commission for hiring her son and relatives on her

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<v Speaker 2>cap her sister and her son. So this is a

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<v Speaker 2>candidate who has been very fortunate, as Adrian Walker said

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<v Speaker 2>on Monday, as the first Cape Verdean born politician to

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<v Speaker 2>become a member of the Boston City Council. She also

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<v Speaker 2>happens to have been born in Cape Verde, emigrated to

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<v Speaker 2>the United States when I guess she was ten, brought

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<v Speaker 2>here by her parents. She was at that point an illegal,

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<v Speaker 2>So she has the distinction of being the first person

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<v Speaker 2>who had come here as an illegal who was elected

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<v Speaker 2>to serve on the city council. That is no small task.

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<v Speaker 2>She also happens to be the first Muslim serving the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston City Council and the first immigrant from Africa to

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<v Speaker 2>serve on the Boston City Council. And despite all of

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<v Speaker 2>those achievements, she now finds herself in hot water. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think she can continue to serve her district effectively

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<v Speaker 2>while she tries to battle a federal indictment. Federal indictments

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<v Speaker 2>are pretty serious indictments, and again, she enjoys the presumption

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<v Speaker 2>of innocence. But I think she owes it to her

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<v Speaker 2>constituents to spend whatever energy she has defending herself along

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<v Speaker 2>with council. Whether she pays for the council or whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not the taxpayers of Massachusetts provide her with court

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<v Speaker 2>appointed council. She needs to make sure that she does

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<v Speaker 2>as good a job as she can to defend herself

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<v Speaker 2>against these allegations, and in all honesty, when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about that, these are serious. These are serious allegations that

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<v Speaker 2>could result in jail time, and I just think you can't.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you can't do two really important things. Well, So

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<v Speaker 2>that's my take on it. I don't think she's the

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<v Speaker 2>most effective member of the council. I think she got

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<v Speaker 2>involved in a lot of stuff. But she wants a

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<v Speaker 2>public defender, and she probably will get a public defender,

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<v Speaker 2>but she certainly should have the money to pay for

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<v Speaker 2>her own attorney. And while she might get the public defender,

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<v Speaker 2>I think she would be remiss if she continued to

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<v Speaker 2>try to present her constituents. Now, if you are a

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<v Speaker 2>big supporter of hers and feel that she has done

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<v Speaker 2>a great job and you disagree with me, feel free

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<v Speaker 2>six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,

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<v Speaker 2>three one ten thirty Again, indictments of Boston City councils

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<v Speaker 2>not unprecedented, but they don't happen every year. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>happen every election, and it certainly does well. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>help the reputation of the city Council, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people on that council who are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to do the best job they can. Let me go

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<v Speaker 2>to John in Boston. See what John thinks about this. John,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Boston resident. I don't know if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>constituent of councilor Tanya Friend and Anderson or not. But

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<v Speaker 2>do you think she should stay or should she resign?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'll be totally candid with you, Dan trest All,

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<v Speaker 3>I hope the Thanksgiving one well, Merry Christmas, and I

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<v Speaker 3>give it credit wearing a green dress there, God bless

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<v Speaker 3>And that being said, maybe she wore a green dress

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<v Speaker 3>because it's her favorite color. But I remember this very distinctively.

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck stew It, not Chuck stew It. I'm sorry the

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<v Speaker 3>Wars and Black City councils.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Turner. Chuck Turner.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I'm sorry those people. So you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. Texted with his wife and the baby and

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<v Speaker 3>but anyways that Dan said, so I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 3>tell you what I did, but I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>his girlfriend. I packed the cal by the convention, signed

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<v Speaker 3>hout to hide it and I tagged it. And the

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<v Speaker 3>reason why I tagged it was because my father a

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<v Speaker 3>one time on a fall a lot fell up the

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<v Speaker 3>laddile for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you are you a current or are you a

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<v Speaker 2>current or a former police officer?

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<v Speaker 3>That's irrelevant. I graduated a police mom by transchool, but

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<v Speaker 3>believe it or that.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm saying, John, I'm not asking a challenge.

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<v Speaker 3>That's okay, I'm tired.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's fine. So were you were you? Were

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<v Speaker 2>you a police officer?

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<v Speaker 3>I graduated a police fut by trans school, but I

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<v Speaker 3>was a transportation problem. So anyways, okay, that's fine. Problem.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's all I'm trying to John, John, just be

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<v Speaker 2>with me for a second. Okay. All I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 2>do is help you tell the story and from my

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<v Speaker 2>audience to understand the story. That's all. Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not challenging you. I'm just asking for a plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of clarification. Well, thank you, go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>It Well, I went to chelse on High and there

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<v Speaker 3>was a thing called busting, but there was no more

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<v Speaker 3>busting in Wellesley.

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<v Speaker 2>Or that's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about here,

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<v Speaker 2>John Man. You were telling me a story about Chuck Turner,

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<v Speaker 2>the former city council.

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<v Speaker 3>On a hydrant. Think of his car and hydrant and

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<v Speaker 3>before that he made a beef about his girlfriend getting

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<v Speaker 3>tagged and this guy was on a hydrant. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say it was his and uh, I

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<v Speaker 3>you think I rubbed the bank? But what's the old cliche?

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<v Speaker 3>How do you know what I mean? If you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know where I'm coming from, understanding I'm going. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she's definitely get an attorney, and and uh whatever, how

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<v Speaker 3>does the.

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck Let me let me John, let me ask you this.

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<v Speaker 2>How does the Chuck Turner story that you started to tell,

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<v Speaker 2>how does that relate to uh? Tanya?

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<v Speaker 3>I think I think she's looking for a failure. I

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<v Speaker 3>think she's looking for a failure. And I think why

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<v Speaker 3>she wants to stick on this because come January first,

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<v Speaker 3>to get a vacation sick time. But she should not

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<v Speaker 3>get a public defender. Now, I should shew, are you

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<v Speaker 3>she should? When when you got a problem, address it

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<v Speaker 3>because the more you procrastinate, it's going to escalate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, she's going to have to she will have to

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<v Speaker 2>have counsel. Okay, Now, if she meets the qualifications and

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<v Speaker 2>she requests a public defender, she like anyone else, will

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<v Speaker 2>get a public defender. I think she's going to have

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<v Speaker 2>a hell decline there because she gets a salary of

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars a year and most

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<v Speaker 2>people who get public defenders don't make anywhere near that. John, So.

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<v Speaker 3>She's she's not Michael mcconock. But I think she should

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<v Speaker 3>address the you know, the bold by the Hans and

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Why are you bringing Mike mccormicks, John, You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't understand. You're taking me down here. You

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I think I gave you plenty of time

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<v Speaker 2>to make your point, John, and he did make it.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to let you go for now. But

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you taking the time to call. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much. Look, if you want to make a comment

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<v Speaker 2>with out bringing in irrelevant topics, I'd love to hear

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<v Speaker 2>from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven nine three one ten thirty A city

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<v Speaker 2>council or Boston City councilor is under indictment. There are

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<v Speaker 2>there's been other city councilors who have faced Chuck Turner

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera that their cases are irrelevant to hers. She's

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<v Speaker 2>charged with basically putting relatives in the payroll. That's an

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<v Speaker 2>ethical violation. She was fined for that. Then she hired someone,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not sure who this someone is. I think

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<v Speaker 2>they're called witness. A pretty clear who that witness is.

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<v Speaker 2>She hired them and gave that person virtually immediately, as

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the case, a thirteen thousand dollars rais and

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<v Speaker 2>told the person that the quid pro quo for the

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<v Speaker 2>rays was that she would get thirteen thousand dollars. The

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<v Speaker 2>poor person probably would have to pay taxes on the

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen eight thousand dollars dollar raise, and Tanya Anderson Fernandez

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson allegedly got a seven thousand dollar kickback, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't suspect she's gonna declared that on her federal income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's an interesting story. I think she should resign.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Boston Herald thinks she resign. I believe

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<v Speaker 2>that there are other political leaders here. I'm told that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a very interesting city Council hearing tomorrow on Wednesday

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<v Speaker 2>where some of this might be vented. And I just again,

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<v Speaker 2>I missed this story because I was off on Friday night,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd like to just open it up on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side. Six one seven two five four ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>a Boston or resident, or someone who has any relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with Boston, do you want a city councilor who's under

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<v Speaker 2>indictment ken enjoying the presumption of innocence until the trial

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<v Speaker 2>or until the verdict? Should she resign? I think she

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<v Speaker 2>resigned in her own interest to be able to fully

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<v Speaker 2>provide all the attention that is necessary to her own

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<v Speaker 2>defense with a council either court appointed which means free,

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<v Speaker 2>or private council, which means she would have to pay

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<v Speaker 2>for it. Six one seven two five four ten thirty

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<v Speaker 2>six one seven nine p one ten thirty. Feel free

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<v Speaker 2>to join the conversation. If you are a supporter of hers,

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<v Speaker 2>you are more than welcome to call. If you are

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<v Speaker 2>someone who has never heard of her, but understand the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 2>you're also more than walking to call. We'll be back

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<v Speaker 2>on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios on w b Z, the news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Other city councils, and more importantly, the mayor has suggested

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<v Speaker 2>that she would resign. I'm suggesting she resign, although she

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<v Speaker 2>enjoys the presumption of innocence because I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>in her interest to focus solely upon her defense in court.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me go next to Joah, who checking in from Dorchester. Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 4>How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing fine, Schoel. What's your thought on this? Are

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<v Speaker 2>you a constituent of the counselor yes?

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think? What would you tell her?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I don't think she should resign. I think because

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<v Speaker 5>I believe that due process needs to be heard and

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<v Speaker 2>Correct, correct? Absolutely? I mentioned that twice now, two or

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, So when we say innocent to proven guilty, when

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<v Speaker 5>you say you should resign, I should resign from my position,

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<v Speaker 5>that's automatically saying well to me, if I was saying

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<v Speaker 5>I'm guilty, I need to step back and also like

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<v Speaker 2>Well, before we get before we get to that, Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>of innocence. People, Even when indictments are issued, the prosecution

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<v Speaker 2>indicted and enjoys the presumption of innocent and as to

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<v Speaker 2>all the elements of the crime have to be proven

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<v Speaker 2>beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I am not saying she should resign because of what

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<v Speaker 2>accused of doing. That will be decided by the jury.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm saying is that I don't know how someone

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston, and mount a vigorous defense against these allegations.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I'm just saying, it's in her interest to resign.

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<v Speaker 5>So okay, So let's let's look at it from this aspect.

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<v Speaker 5>You a moment ago, you was talking about her being

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<v Speaker 5>able to provide legal counsel. Now, if we if she resigns,

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<v Speaker 5>she has no income. She's a mother of too, she

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<v Speaker 5>glass and then still try to pay a lawyer. So

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<v Speaker 5>therefore that's not going to work.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, and

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<v Speaker 2>again if you follow me here, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>while she's working as a city councilor however much work

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<v Speaker 2>she's doing advocating for her constituents like you and taking

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<v Speaker 2>her attention, if she's being paid one hundred and fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>represented by uh, you know council, a quart appointed council,

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<v Speaker 2>I think. I don't think anyone's making one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>saying is, if if she did resign to defend herself effectively,

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<v Speaker 2>I then might say, well, you know, she no longer

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<v Speaker 2>has a job, she's she's resigned, she should have quart

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<v Speaker 5>Who but you know, all the respect I mean in

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<v Speaker 5>that respect, of.

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<v Speaker 2>Course, quarter appointed council would not cost her anything.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so let's get let's get this right. So you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I have. I'm on that, Michelle Woolst. I'm the good

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<v Speaker 5>gentleman that you know that they love to do the

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<v Speaker 5>same thing to shut me up in the use of

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<v Speaker 5>legal system, you know, because that's what the Democrats have

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<v Speaker 5>been doing, and you know, and and for our clarity.

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<v Speaker 5>This year, I supported Donald J. Trump because of our

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<v Speaker 5>Party because I feel like the Democratic Party has been

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<v Speaker 5>doing really nasty things to people and not in overstepping

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<v Speaker 2>So you feel this is an so I'm assuming that

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<v Speaker 2>you feel this is an attack upon Tanya Fernandez Anderson.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, that's my personal feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>You ever write to all your personal opinions, you.

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<v Speaker 5>Know, And I'm not saying anyone is perfect. And I'm

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<v Speaker 5>not sitting here staying you know, I don't know all

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<v Speaker 5>the logistics of this case graft.

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<v Speaker 2>So all I know is what I've read in the paper,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure you've read read it in the paper

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<v Speaker 2>as well. So we're gonna you know, we're gonna agree

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<v Speaker 2>to disagree. Okay, I understand where you're coming from.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope you know you're you're saying. Man, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>she should she should resign and to to do her case.

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<v Speaker 5>But I feel she should maintain her job and and

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<v Speaker 5>pay an attorney because I feel like a paid attorney

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<v Speaker 5>is going to have a better chances for her in

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<v Speaker 5>my opinion. And I also do know, just to make

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<v Speaker 5>a note, uh, back when Chuck Turner was maybe he

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<v Speaker 5>rests in peace and when he's not resting now, but

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<v Speaker 5>when Chuck Turner was in office, and when they ousted him,

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<v Speaker 5>he came back out and sued the city because they

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<v Speaker 5>went against the laws, the city laws and the rules

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<v Speaker 5>and the and the and the the city or necess

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<v Speaker 5>So therefore he's suon in won So do we want

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<v Speaker 5>to go back in that same role because Michelle who

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<v Speaker 5>has quite a few lawsuits against her, and I personally

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<v Speaker 5>can't wait for her to get out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, she she does. Looks she herself is pretty

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<v Speaker 2>in battle at this point, there's no doubt. Look, I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate you taking the time to call.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, yeah, well, and I also have to say I

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<v Speaker 5>appreciate the fact that you can acknowledge that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>she do new process.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, I mean everyone has a right to do process.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean, you know it's difficult to say, but

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<v Speaker 2>guy in the back in New York and who was

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<v Speaker 2>captured yesterday, he has a right to do process.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, yeah, everyone has a right to do process

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<v Speaker 5>in this that's the country you live in. Before I leave, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>said the said, and I know you've said it as

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<v Speaker 5>well in your on going by what you leave, they

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<v Speaker 5>say she's the other the employee A is a co

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<v Speaker 5>operating witness. Well, I mean that's a family member. That's

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<v Speaker 5>a family member. I just want to make that, Claire.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I don't I don't know that because I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>involved in any way, shape or forming the case. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not covering the case as a reporter. If when I

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<v Speaker 2>and get as much information as I can. I will

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<v Speaker 2>take it. You sound like a reasonable guy, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>and people can wait at against whatever has been reported

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<v Speaker 2>in the papers, but do me.

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<v Speaker 5>This family member. So I just want to make.

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<v Speaker 2>That Claire, okay, well, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 5>My family, so I know, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, continue to continue to listen to Night Side and

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<v Speaker 2>call call myself. I've had I've had counselor for an

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<v Speaker 2>Endus Anderson on this show before. She has, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>been involved in some of these I don't know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>controversial incidents. There that incident where she went to last year,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was to mass and casts and some

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<v Speaker 2>she was taking pictures and some someone stole her cell

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<v Speaker 2>phone and uh and she recovered it, thankfully. So she's

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<v Speaker 2>been the victim of crime and here she's she's accused

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<v Speaker 2>of a crime. Joah, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 5>I look forward to Oh you have a great.

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<v Speaker 2>Even so thanks good six one seven, two, five four

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<v Speaker 2>ten thirty. One line there in six one seven, nine three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. Should Daniel Fernandez Anderson City councilor from

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<v Speaker 2>Boston from you know, parts of Dorchester and Roxbury. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe I'm I get confused by the districts these days.

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<v Speaker 2>Should she resign while she's fighting this this indictment. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's in her best interest to resign period is

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<v Speaker 2>that is not in any way, shape or form an

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<v Speaker 2>indictment or or a belief that she's She's facing serious charges,

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<v Speaker 2>but those charges are nothing proven in court. Back on

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<v Speaker 2>Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey you very much, Dan Walkins. I'm reading from an

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<v Speaker 2>article on Saturday Adrian Walker, who was I think someone

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<v Speaker 2>who is favorably disposed towards Fernandez Anderson. Her district includes

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the South End in Fenway. He said she's

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<v Speaker 2>a trailblazer, first Muslim city council, first African immigrant, got

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<v Speaker 2>off to a strong start taking charge of the council's

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<v Speaker 2>most important committee, the one that handles the city budget.

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<v Speaker 2>He writes, though if we're being honest, she pretty quickly

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<v Speaker 2>seemed overwhelmed in that role. Fernandez Anderson spoke frequently about

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<v Speaker 2>the challenges of being a black woman and an immigrant

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<v Speaker 2>in a city government historically and friendly to both. She's

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<v Speaker 2>been polarizing in the truest sense of the term. Her

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<v Speaker 2>admirers would walk through fire for her. Her detractors, and

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<v Speaker 2>there were more than a few, would say she accomplished little.

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<v Speaker 2>That's again fairly balanced argument here. Besides picking a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of pointless fights, he goes on to say Mayor Michelle

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<v Speaker 2>will when other local leaders call the Fernandas Anderson to

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<v Speaker 2>resign on Friday. Fernandus Anderson to resign Friday. My guess

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<v Speaker 2>is that she hasn't gone anywhere in the near term

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<v Speaker 2>as far as the city Council is concerned. She's innocent

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<v Speaker 2>until proven guilty, in her day in court is probably

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<v Speaker 2>far off. So this is a bad day for the

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<v Speaker 2>Boston City Council for trust in city government. It will

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<v Speaker 2>only start to reinforce the ever present notion that leaders

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<v Speaker 2>herself serving and corrupt, and it reflects the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>if a city council is willing to ignore the rules,

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<v Speaker 2>there aren't many good ways to ring them in. Fernandres

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson came into office pledging to be a powerful representative

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<v Speaker 2>of the city's routinely marginalized voices. At her best, she's

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<v Speaker 2>been exactly that, squandering that opportunity, and for so little

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<v Speaker 2>seven thousand dollars, that's my comment, would be a huge

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<v Speaker 2>loss for everyone she claimed to represent. And walker very balanced,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought and thoughtful column in The Boston Globe on Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>and one that I'm sure he did not write with

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<v Speaker 2>any sense of glee. Where are we going to go next?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go next and let me talk with Rashid, who's

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<v Speaker 2>checking in from Dorchester as well. Rashid, welcome next to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm well, Dan, Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do you think? My thought is that she

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<v Speaker 2>should resign because it's very difficult to fight a federal

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<v Speaker 2>indictment while maintaining your position as an elected official and

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<v Speaker 2>serving her constituents.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, Dan, I think calls for her to resign that

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<v Speaker 6>ship has passed. He should have resigned when she hired

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<v Speaker 6>her son and sister to a city government position and

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<v Speaker 6>gave them double salaries. She should have resigned when she

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<v Speaker 6>refused to take the the oath of office just last year.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, she has been a disaster on the council,

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<v Speaker 6>and every blunder that she has made warranted resignation. But

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<v Speaker 6>I think I want, you know, everybody to think about

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<v Speaker 6>this when we talk about resignation, I think obviously beating

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<v Speaker 6>the dead horses the Chuck Turner lawsuit. We all know

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<v Speaker 6>the rules there, but she's clearly broke according to the

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<v Speaker 6>you know, I think it was in the indictment that

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<v Speaker 6>she was missing car payments, he was missing rent payments.

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<v Speaker 6>He has no money, she's not paying for an attorney.

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<v Speaker 6>Clearly there's a financial issue here, and I think, honestly,

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<v Speaker 6>if you any of us were in her position, she's

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<v Speaker 6>gonna sit there collect that one p fifteen for the

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<v Speaker 6>rest of the year while she fights this case, which

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<v Speaker 6>he possibly will lose, and you know, at least go

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<v Speaker 6>to federal prison with a few bucks in her pocket.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I get it, but I guess I guess you

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<v Speaker 2>can be she could be a no show city councilor

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<v Speaker 2>if she wanted to be. I don't think that's her style.

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<v Speaker 2>I just I remember that I had forgotten about that.

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<v Speaker 2>She refused I think to when she was sworn in

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<v Speaker 2>place her hand on.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys broke it.

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<v Speaker 5>You broke it.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean there was a watchdog group that broke it,

433
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<v Speaker 6>but you were the one who brought it to the radio.

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<v Speaker 6>And she came on your show to say, Oh, I

435
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<v Speaker 6>was saying it silently in my head, It's like, what

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<v Speaker 6>are we doing?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I don't know. I was glad she came

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<v Speaker 2>on the show, and I was glad that she claimed

439
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<v Speaker 2>what she claimed because I think people then could evaluate.

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<v Speaker 2>It didn't make a difference because she was re elected

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<v Speaker 2>pretty handily. She didn't have much of a serious competition,

442
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<v Speaker 2>although I guess there are now a couple of candidates

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<v Speaker 2>who are stirring around in her district, which includes I

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<v Speaker 2>guess Roxbury as well as part of the Fenway in

445
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<v Speaker 2>the in the south End. So she represents an interesting district.

446
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<v Speaker 2>It's not monolithic in any sense of the term. You know, look,

447
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<v Speaker 2>we have not had the best and the brightest on

448
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<v Speaker 2>the Boston City Council over the years. Kendralaara, you crash

449
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<v Speaker 2>came the city councilor who for years, I guess, was

450
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<v Speaker 2>driving around town without a driver's licensing. How can you

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<v Speaker 2>how can you pretend to be a city council or

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<v Speaker 2>be a city councilor if you're going to ignore the

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<v Speaker 2>rules of just striving And here she's she's gonna engage

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<v Speaker 2>in nepotism of the highest order by hiring a son

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<v Speaker 2>and a daughter, uh and then giving them pay raises

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<v Speaker 2>virtually immediately.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, yeah, an employee like it comes to the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 6>give me seven grand. And then you also forgot Arroyo

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<v Speaker 6>and Rollins who try to democratically steal an election. They're

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<v Speaker 6>both rest democracy and you know, it's just crazy. And

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know what the people of Boston are are.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I can't blame the people because I mean

463
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<v Speaker 6>they're not really given the best options. I encourage those

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<v Speaker 6>who are listening on your show. Maybe somebody can get inspired.

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<v Speaker 6>Run for public office. You live in Boston, you're a good,

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<v Speaker 6>decent human being. Run for public office. We need you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what I well, there have been people. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that her challenger was Roy Owens, who comes from a

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<v Speaker 2>family of a political family in Roxbury. But if I

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<v Speaker 2>were a young lawyer living in Dorchester, Roxbury and I

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<v Speaker 2>was making fifty thousand dollars a year, you know, get

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<v Speaker 2>small claims cases and you know, and representing people who

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<v Speaker 2>have been charged with driving under this is an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>for them to break out. And someone goes and spend

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<v Speaker 2>some time campaigning these offices. These offices are all winnable.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not at the race ten million dollars

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<v Speaker 2>to win one of these races, and you get a

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<v Speaker 2>group of people who support you and you you go

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<v Speaker 2>in and you do a good job. You know, at

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<v Speaker 2>some point you might become the mayor of Boston.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, yeah, but look at the mayor all's race.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, who do we even have We don't even

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<v Speaker 6>have a lineup. No, we're what eleven ten, ten to

484
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<v Speaker 6>eleven months out, nobody has said, hey, I want to

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<v Speaker 6>run against the most politically vulnerable mayor in the history

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<v Speaker 6>of the city of Boston. Like, we haven't even had

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<v Speaker 6>anybody step up. I don't know. I don't know what's

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<v Speaker 6>going on.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I suspicion someone will step up at some point. But

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<v Speaker 2>the question is, in order to be an incumbent mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>it takes a lot here in Boston. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the power of the incumbency is great. Certainly Mayor Woo

494
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<v Speaker 2>was involved in all sorts of fights. It was I

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<v Speaker 2>talked about today. I think it's one of the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the articles in the Boston World today with North

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<v Speaker 2>End business owners and other parts of the city. She

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<v Speaker 2>she has she's really gone out of her way to

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<v Speaker 2>alienate people.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, sometimes the Bacco Thank you Senator Collins for blogging that.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, Yeah, that's data even being provided properly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, I don't know if.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, she's a disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to go back a long time to see

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<v Speaker 2>an incumbent mayor of Boston defeated. You know, Kevin White

506
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<v Speaker 2>ran four times and he retired. Ray Flynn went to

507
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<v Speaker 2>the Vatican. Tom Monina was there twenty years and he retired.

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<v Speaker 2>Marty Walsh went to the to the Biden cabinet. Is

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<v Speaker 2>now the secretary of the National Hockey League. And I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that that Michelle wou doesn't she doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>continue as mayor. For like, she's not a Tom Menino,

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<v Speaker 2>she's not a Marty Walsh. She has her.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, maybe Trump with a pointer, Dan, maybe he will

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<v Speaker 6>make an ambassador or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so. I think she wants she has her.

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<v Speaker 2>She's looking at Liz Warren sent it seat and she's.

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<v Speaker 6>Looking Oh, she's looking at her Marquie Markey, And I

518
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<v Speaker 6>don't think he looks too hot, Dan, I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>he looks too hot. So maybe he Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>At Marky surprised a lot of people with his strength,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with younger people. And Mark he's not up now

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<v Speaker 2>for well, I guess he's up uh in twenty six years? Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>So who knows things? Two years is a lifetime in politics,

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<v Speaker 2>Rashid always interesting, challenging call. Thank you, my friend. I

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<v Speaker 2>really appreciate you. Thank you, Dan, talk to you soon, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, gonna take quick break. I got Jack and Bill.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys stay, They're going to get you in for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>If anyone else wants to join this conversation, feel free.

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<v Speaker 2>Six months, seven two, five, four, ten thirty six months

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<v Speaker 2>seven nine, three, one, ten thirty. Again. I if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a Boston listener, this does affect you. It affects your city. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>your voice should be heard back on NIGHTSID after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go to Jack and Newton. Jack, you

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<v Speaker 2>next to Nightside Welcome.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, thank you Jack Porter. I'm gonna take a

539
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<v Speaker 7>little bit of different slant on as I'm a sociologist

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<v Speaker 7>and I see a definite pattern here with women who

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<v Speaker 7>are black or minority, single mothers possibly or even men.

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<v Speaker 7>They are just there's not just three or four, it's

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<v Speaker 7>turning into like four or five of them. And you're

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<v Speaker 7>talking about mister Arroyo, Chuck Turner, Dorris Wilkinson, Richelvell. So

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<v Speaker 7>my theory is possibly two things. One they feel entitled

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<v Speaker 7>to it, like, oh, I'm so oppressed and I work

547
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<v Speaker 7>so hard to get to this position. I can do something.

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<v Speaker 7>I can do things that are not you know, one

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<v Speaker 7>hundred percent kosher, or they don't have a good self

550
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<v Speaker 7>image and the stress of being in that job. They

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<v Speaker 7>maybe didn't feel like they don't deserve it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Jack, I mean, each each case is

553
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<v Speaker 2>different onto itself. There are a lot of white political

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<v Speaker 2>leaders who have gotten themselves in trouble for the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that Look at Diane Wilkinson was caught on

556
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<v Speaker 2>camera stuffing cash into her bra I mean, that was,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a classic case. But she's she's come back.

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<v Speaker 2>She's had a political comeback sorts. You know, back in

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<v Speaker 2>the day, James Michael Curley ran for office from from jail.

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<v Speaker 7>So I right, But I'm talking about in the last

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<v Speaker 7>five or six or ten years we've had this particular

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<v Speaker 7>I'm talking as I'm making a sociological observation, But there's

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<v Speaker 7>a whole bunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Of there's a whole bunch of black women at the

565
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<v Speaker 2>Attorney General. To come with Andrea Campbell is black there's

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<v Speaker 2>been no scandal.

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<v Speaker 7>I get this all the time because it's always the accepted.

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<v Speaker 7>But that's what I do. I generalize as a sociologist.

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<v Speaker 7>I see a pattern here.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I get I'm not trying to I'm not trying to.

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<v Speaker 7>Argue that, actually, what's that I'd like to Maybe your

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<v Speaker 7>callers can give me an answer to this. I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>putting it down. I'm not saying that something intrinsically wrong

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<v Speaker 7>with you know, black women or whatever. I'm just trying

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<v Speaker 7>to figure out a pattern here.

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<v Speaker 2>For this pattern. It's like it's like saying that the

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<v Speaker 2>best players in the NBA are over six ft ten. Uh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that might be true because they have the height advantage,

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<v Speaker 2>But then you have guys like Steph Curry, who's who's

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<v Speaker 2>probably six ' one, who for a time was the best.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that generalizations tend to generally get people trouble.

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<v Speaker 7>That's all. That's my job as a social You don't

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<v Speaker 7>have the sociological asentation and that you want to go there.

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<v Speaker 7>But I'm trying to figure this out. Maybe someone in

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<v Speaker 7>the audience can explain.

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<v Speaker 2>You see, if someone reacts to it, it's as simple

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<v Speaker 2>as that. I mean there's a lot of uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>black members uh in Congress about whom there's that no

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<v Speaker 2>uh no scent of of problems. Uh I I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't agree with Ia Presley un much as you

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<v Speaker 2>probably know. But but you know, she served as the

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<v Speaker 2>city council, got elected to Congress, and uh, you know again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, well it really hurt me. For example, when Chuck

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<v Speaker 7>Turner you know, did what he did, or even then

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<v Speaker 7>they said they didn't have enough money. Maybe money is

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<v Speaker 7>an issue, but but there are many city councilors that

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<v Speaker 7>also may have money problems, but they don't do things

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<v Speaker 7>that are not legal, you know what I mean. You

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<v Speaker 7>can't use that ague.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't. But again, you I just don't want

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<v Speaker 2>anyone to say, oh, they were talking about black politicians

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<v Speaker 2>being more likely to do I think that that.

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<v Speaker 7>I just be a pattern in this in this city,

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<v Speaker 7>all right, in the last ten years. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 7>to generalize on Well, there's other cities.

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<v Speaker 2>You could go to Marilynd Mosby down who was who's

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<v Speaker 2>a Boston Bostonian, grew up in Boston, she was elected

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<v Speaker 2>in Baltimore. She's in she's in trouble. So yeah, you

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<v Speaker 2>get the Mayor of New York.

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<v Speaker 7>Eric Adams my theory.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. I get it.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a good theory. Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let's say, let's see if I'm to react Jack again,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. Jack is one of my more

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<v Speaker 2>liberal members. Let me make that very clear. Thanks Jack,

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Sue Bill and Natick Bill next on Knights. Go

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<v Speaker 2>right ahead, Bill, Yes, Hi.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, I wasn't gonna say anything about it,

620
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<v Speaker 4>but a call like that makes me annoyed that someone's

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<v Speaker 4>trying to pull someone's trying to even if he's uncertain,

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<v Speaker 4>to make any kind of racial connection to this. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think that's productive. The reason why I called.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why. By the way, Billy, just.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me let me finish.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me just let me just and then you'll be

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<v Speaker 2>able to finish. I just wanted you to note that

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<v Speaker 2>I disagreed with Jack on his theory. Just please.

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't I understand he disagreed, but he got airtime,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, so go ahead, here's your time.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's It doesn't make any difference whether it's

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<v Speaker 4>a talk show host or a caller like me, or

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<v Speaker 4>anyone who is not in the electorate that elected this

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<v Speaker 4>city councilor it is not relevant or important for anyone

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<v Speaker 4>else to weigh in this except the people who voted

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<v Speaker 4>for her. That's my opinion. Can you imagine a convicted

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<v Speaker 4>felon being a president? Can you imagine a convicted sexual

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<v Speaker 4>abuser being a president? It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>It always to those of you who sentence, Let me

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<v Speaker 2>do my syndrome, it always consists, has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 2>with Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me finish my sentence. What I'm saying is is

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<v Speaker 4>that it has to do exactly with the electorate who

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<v Speaker 4>wants the person to be in office or not? And

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<v Speaker 4>you do not. This talk show hosts Jimmy, this talk

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<v Speaker 4>show doesn't know what her what her supporters, or her

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<v Speaker 4>electric feel about this. So I think she has every

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<v Speaker 4>right to stay in office. She may have significant financial problems,

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<v Speaker 4>and until she's convicted, then she should then be Then

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<v Speaker 4>the electorate she may have to resign. But until she's convicted,

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<v Speaker 4>the electorate is the one who put her there, and

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<v Speaker 4>they're the ones who should allow her to stay there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think everything stay, everything get built. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>you want to have want to make a speech doesn't work. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>don't try to imply that I'm not doing what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to do. I talk about issues of controversy. Okay, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>And you listen to the talk show enough to know

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<v Speaker 2>that I I range far and wide to pick issues

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<v Speaker 2>of of of that people are interested in. That's that's

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<v Speaker 2>all I'm saying. And this is an issue you know, go,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, tell that to Michelle Wu. She's the mayor

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<v Speaker 2>of Boston. She she didn't vote for Tanya Fernandez Anderson

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<v Speaker 2>because she doesn't live in the district. So so if

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a problem with someone calling for her resignation,

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<v Speaker 2>talk go call Michelle will see if she takes your call.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm only interested in one thing, Dan, You have every

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<v Speaker 4>right to have any subjects you want because you're there

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<v Speaker 4>to do a job. You're you're there to do a

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<v Speaker 4>job to have people be interested, including myself call in.

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<v Speaker 4>My point is, it doesn't make a difference what anyone

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<v Speaker 4>feels except the people who elected her. Period.

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<v Speaker 2>The only person who's going to make the difference in

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<v Speaker 2>all reality is herself. Because she could have one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>people in her district come to her tomorrow and say

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<v Speaker 2>we want you to resign. That might influence her, but

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<v Speaker 2>she's the one who will have to make that decision. Bill,

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<v Speaker 2>you're challenging call. I wish I could give you more time,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's eleven o'clock. Uh. And please continue to call,

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<v Speaker 2>challenge me anytime you want, but don't challenge my integrity. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I was cutting a whiff of it, Bill, and

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<v Speaker 2>and I you know, when you started to talk about

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<v Speaker 2>me allowing Jack Jack's point of view, he he's welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to call this show. You're welcome. Everyone is welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>call this show. That's what I run here. It's an

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<v Speaker 2>it's an open forum. There are certain points of view

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm not going to allow. If someone's gonna call

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<v Speaker 2>and spew obvious racism, uh, I don't tolerate that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Or hatred toward a group of people because of their

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<v Speaker 2>ethnic background, I don't tolerate that. But a point of

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<v Speaker 2>view is permitted. That's all. That's what that's what this

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<v Speaker 2>show is all about. And it'll stay that way as

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<v Speaker 2>long as I'm behind the microphone. You are always welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to call and argue with me. And I enjoyed your

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<v Speaker 2>phone call. I'm really I mean that seriously, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that to you in any way other

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<v Speaker 2>than with complete sincerity. Thanks for calling and we'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Bill, We'll take a quick break. Here's the eleven

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock news. I'm willing to continue this conversation if you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven,

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<v Speaker 2>nine three one ten thirty. Bruins lost a squeaker to

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<v Speaker 2>the Winnipeg Jets that I eight to one out in Winnipeg.