Speaker 1: It's with Dan Ray. I'm tell you Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2: Well, I'd like to open up a conversation about the
Speaker 2: indicted Boston City councilor uh Tanier Fernandez Anderson. And this
Speaker 2: indictment came down. I think it was last Friday, if
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken, I was off and yesterday there were
Speaker 2: a couple of stories that were uh overwhelming, the capture
Speaker 2: of Luigi uh Maine Mangioni in Altoona, Pennsylvania, as well
Speaker 2: as the acquittal of Daniel Penny in that New York
Speaker 2: case what uh the case that resulted in the death
Speaker 2: of a homeless person on a New York subway. I
Speaker 2: was reading a walker's calumn in the Boston Globe. He
Speaker 2: was pretty tough on Fernandez Anderson, as I will be.
Speaker 2: I think the Herald, on forget which day it was,
Speaker 2: the Herald calls for her to resign. I believe that
Speaker 2: Mayor Wu has also called for her resignation, and I
Speaker 2: think she should resign as well. And the reason I
Speaker 2: think she should resign is not so much for what
Speaker 2: she is charged. I mean, she's been charged with a
Speaker 2: serious set of crimes by the US Attorney here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: But I don't know. Apparently she now is looking for
Speaker 2: court appointed council although she earns one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 2: thousand dollars as a Boston City councilor. She has had
Speaker 2: a fairly controversial term. She's in her second term. She's
Speaker 2: got herself into some campaign finance violations. Allegedly she had
Speaker 2: hired her sister and her son and given them very
Speaker 2: quick bonuses in two In twenty two, she now finds
Speaker 2: herself again. This is an allegation, but it's an allegation
Speaker 2: that has resulted in an indictment. She enjoys the presumption
Speaker 2: of innocence that she hired another individual and that that
Speaker 2: individual was given a raise of thirteen thousand dollars, and
Speaker 2: as a result of that raise, Anderson allegedly took back
Speaker 2: seven thousand in cash in a city hall bathroom. At
Speaker 2: the time, she owed five thousand dollars to the State
Speaker 2: Ethics Commission for hiring her son and relatives on her
Speaker 2: cap her sister and her son. So this is a
Speaker 2: candidate who has been very fortunate, as Adrian Walker said
Speaker 2: on Monday, as the first Cape Verdean born politician to
Speaker 2: become a member of the Boston City Council. She also
Speaker 2: happens to have been born in Cape Verde, emigrated to
Speaker 2: the United States when I guess she was ten, brought
Speaker 2: here by her parents. She was at that point an illegal,
Speaker 2: So she has the distinction of being the first person
Speaker 2: who had come here as an illegal who was elected
Speaker 2: to serve on the city council. That is no small task.
Speaker 2: She also happens to be the first Muslim serving the
Speaker 2: Boston City Council and the first immigrant from Africa to
Speaker 2: serve on the Boston City Council. And despite all of
Speaker 2: those achievements, she now finds herself in hot water. I
Speaker 2: don't think she can continue to serve her district effectively
Speaker 2: while she tries to battle a federal indictment. Federal indictments
Speaker 2: are pretty serious indictments, and again, she enjoys the presumption
Speaker 2: of innocence. But I think she owes it to her
Speaker 2: constituents to spend whatever energy she has defending herself along
Speaker 2: with council. Whether she pays for the council or whether
Speaker 2: or not the taxpayers of Massachusetts provide her with court
Speaker 2: appointed council. She needs to make sure that she does
Speaker 2: as good a job as she can to defend herself
Speaker 2: against these allegations, and in all honesty, when you think
Speaker 2: about that, these are serious. These are serious allegations that
Speaker 2: could result in jail time, and I just think you can't.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can't do two really important things. Well, So
Speaker 2: that's my take on it. I don't think she's the
Speaker 2: most effective member of the council. I think she got
Speaker 2: involved in a lot of stuff. But she wants a
Speaker 2: public defender, and she probably will get a public defender,
Speaker 2: but she certainly should have the money to pay for
Speaker 2: her own attorney. And while she might get the public defender,
Speaker 2: I think she would be remiss if she continued to
Speaker 2: try to present her constituents. Now, if you are a
Speaker 2: big supporter of hers and feel that she has done
Speaker 2: a great job and you disagree with me, feel free
Speaker 2: six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six one seven, nine,
Speaker 2: three one ten thirty Again, indictments of Boston City councils
Speaker 2: not unprecedented, but they don't happen every year. They don't
Speaker 2: happen every election, and it certainly does well. It doesn't
Speaker 2: help the reputation of the city Council, and there are
Speaker 2: a lot of people on that council who are trying
Speaker 2: to do the best job they can. Let me go
Speaker 2: to John in Boston. See what John thinks about this. John,
Speaker 2: you're a Boston resident. I don't know if you're a
Speaker 2: constituent of councilor Tanya Friend and Anderson or not. But
Speaker 2: do you think she should stay or should she resign?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll be totally candid with you, Dan trest All,
Speaker 3: I hope the Thanksgiving one well, Merry Christmas, and I
Speaker 3: give it credit wearing a green dress there, God bless
Speaker 3: And that being said, maybe she wore a green dress
Speaker 3: because it's her favorite color. But I remember this very distinctively.
Speaker 3: Chuck stew It, not Chuck stew It. I'm sorry the
Speaker 3: Wars and Black City councils.
Speaker 2: Chuck Turner. Chuck Turner.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm sorry those people. So you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. Texted with his wife and the baby and
Speaker 3: but anyways that Dan said, so I'm not going to
Speaker 3: tell you what I did, but I think it was
Speaker 3: his girlfriend. I packed the cal by the convention, signed
Speaker 3: hout to hide it and I tagged it. And the
Speaker 3: reason why I tagged it was because my father a
Speaker 3: one time on a fall a lot fell up the
Speaker 3: laddile for it.
Speaker 2: Are you are you a current or are you a
Speaker 2: current or a former police officer?
Speaker 3: That's irrelevant. I graduated a police mom by transchool, but
Speaker 3: believe it or that.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying, John, I'm not asking a challenge.
Speaker 3: That's okay, I'm tired.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's fine. So were you were you? Were
Speaker 2: you a police officer?
Speaker 3: I graduated a police fut by trans school, but I
Speaker 3: was a transportation problem. So anyways, okay, that's fine. Problem.
Speaker 2: That's that's all I'm trying to John, John, just be
Speaker 2: with me for a second. Okay. All I'm trying to
Speaker 2: do is help you tell the story and from my
Speaker 2: audience to understand the story. That's all. Go right ahead.
Speaker 2: I'm not challenging you. I'm just asking for a plenty
Speaker 2: of clarification. Well, thank you, go right ahead.
Speaker 3: It Well, I went to chelse on High and there
Speaker 3: was a thing called busting, but there was no more
Speaker 3: busting in Wellesley.
Speaker 2: Or that's totally irrelevant to what we're talking about here,
Speaker 2: John Man. You were telling me a story about Chuck Turner,
Speaker 2: the former city council.
Speaker 3: On a hydrant. Think of his car and hydrant and
Speaker 3: before that he made a beef about his girlfriend getting
Speaker 3: tagged and this guy was on a hydrant. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I want to say it was his and uh, I
Speaker 3: you think I rubbed the bank? But what's the old cliche?
Speaker 3: How do you know what I mean? If you don't
Speaker 3: know where I'm coming from, understanding I'm going. But yeah,
Speaker 3: she's definitely get an attorney, and and uh whatever, how
Speaker 3: does the.
Speaker 2: Chuck Let me let me John, let me ask you this.
Speaker 2: How does the Chuck Turner story that you started to tell,
Speaker 2: how does that relate to uh? Tanya?
Speaker 3: I think I think she's looking for a failure. I
Speaker 3: think she's looking for a failure. And I think why
Speaker 3: she wants to stick on this because come January first,
Speaker 3: to get a vacation sick time. But she should not
Speaker 3: get a public defender. Now, I should shew, are you
Speaker 3: she should? When when you got a problem, address it
Speaker 3: because the more you procrastinate, it's going to escalate.
Speaker 2: Well, she's going to have to she will have to
Speaker 2: have counsel. Okay, Now, if she meets the qualifications and
Speaker 2: she requests a public defender, she like anyone else, will
Speaker 2: get a public defender. I think she's going to have
Speaker 2: a hell decline there because she gets a salary of
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifteen thousand dollars a year and most
Speaker 2: people who get public defenders don't make anywhere near that. John, So.
Speaker 3: She's she's not Michael mcconock. But I think she should
Speaker 3: address the you know, the bold by the Hans and
Speaker 3: what's going on.
Speaker 2: Why are you bringing Mike mccormicks, John, You know what,
Speaker 2: I just don't understand. You're taking me down here. You
Speaker 2: know what, I think I gave you plenty of time
Speaker 2: to make your point, John, and he did make it.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to let you go for now. But
Speaker 2: I appreciate you taking the time to call. Thank you
Speaker 2: very much. Look, if you want to make a comment
Speaker 2: with out bringing in irrelevant topics, I'd love to hear
Speaker 2: from you. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven nine three one ten thirty A city
Speaker 2: council or Boston City councilor is under indictment. There are
Speaker 2: there's been other city councilors who have faced Chuck Turner
Speaker 2: et cetera that their cases are irrelevant to hers. She's
Speaker 2: charged with basically putting relatives in the payroll. That's an
Speaker 2: ethical violation. She was fined for that. Then she hired someone,
Speaker 2: and I'm not sure who this someone is. I think
Speaker 2: they're called witness. A pretty clear who that witness is.
Speaker 2: She hired them and gave that person virtually immediately, as
Speaker 2: I understand the case, a thirteen thousand dollars rais and
Speaker 2: told the person that the quid pro quo for the
Speaker 2: rays was that she would get thirteen thousand dollars. The
Speaker 2: poor person probably would have to pay taxes on the
Speaker 2: thirteen eight thousand dollars dollar raise, and Tanya Anderson Fernandez
Speaker 2: Anderson allegedly got a seven thousand dollar kickback, and I
Speaker 2: don't suspect she's gonna declared that on her federal income tax.
Speaker 2: So it's an interesting story. I think she should resign.
Speaker 2: I think the Boston Herald thinks she resign. I believe
Speaker 2: that there are other political leaders here. I'm told that
Speaker 2: there's a very interesting city Council hearing tomorrow on Wednesday
Speaker 2: where some of this might be vented. And I just again,
Speaker 2: I missed this story because I was off on Friday night,
Speaker 2: and I'd like to just open it up on the
Speaker 2: other side. Six one seven two five four ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven nine thirty. Uh, if you are either
Speaker 2: a Boston or resident, or someone who has any relationship
Speaker 2: with Boston, do you want a city councilor who's under
Speaker 2: indictment ken enjoying the presumption of innocence until the trial
Speaker 2: or until the verdict? Should she resign? I think she
Speaker 2: resigned in her own interest to be able to fully
Speaker 2: provide all the attention that is necessary to her own
Speaker 2: defense with a council either court appointed which means free,
Speaker 2: or private council, which means she would have to pay
Speaker 2: for it. Six one seven two five four ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven nine p one ten thirty. Feel free
Speaker 2: to join the conversation. If you are a supporter of hers,
Speaker 2: you are more than welcome to call. If you are
Speaker 2: someone who has never heard of her, but understand the circumstances,
Speaker 2: you're also more than walking to call. We'll be back
Speaker 2: on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
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Speaker 2: Other city councils, and more importantly, the mayor has suggested
Speaker 2: that she would resign. I'm suggesting she resign, although she
Speaker 2: enjoys the presumption of innocence because I think it is
Speaker 2: in her interest to focus solely upon her defense in court.
Speaker 2: Let me go next to Joah, who checking in from Dorchester. Joe,
Speaker 2: how are you tonight?
Speaker 4: How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine, Schoel. What's your thought on this? Are
Speaker 2: you a constituent of the counselor yes?
Speaker 5: I am?
Speaker 2: So what do you think? What would you tell her?
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think she should resign. I think because
Speaker 5: I believe that due process needs to be heard and
Speaker 5: done on the aspect that you know, we are a
Speaker 5: country that we sit here we say innocent to proving guilty.
Speaker 2: Correct, correct? Absolutely? I mentioned that twice now, two or
Speaker 2: three times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So when we say innocent to proven guilty, when
Speaker 5: you say you should resign, I should resign from my position,
Speaker 5: that's automatically saying well to me, if I was saying
Speaker 5: I'm guilty, I need to step back and also like
Speaker 5: being submissive to what is going on here, because this
Speaker 5: is a bigger picture than what we are seeing here.
Speaker 2: Well, before we get before we get to that, Joe,
Speaker 2: let me let me defend my comment so that you're
Speaker 2: clear on what I'm saying. She does enjoy a presumption
Speaker 2: of innocence. People, Even when indictments are issued, the prosecution
Speaker 2: will always remind reporters that the person who has been
Speaker 2: indicted and enjoys the presumption of innocent and as to
Speaker 2: all the elements of the crime have to be proven
Speaker 2: beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of their peers. Now,
Speaker 2: I am not saying she should resign because of what
Speaker 2: she is accused of doing, or she is resigned. She
Speaker 2: should resign because I believe she's guilty of what she's
Speaker 2: accused of doing. That will be decided by the jury.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is that I don't know how someone
Speaker 2: can serve as a city council or full time, which
Speaker 2: is her responsibility to her constituents and to the city
Speaker 2: of Boston, and mount a vigorous defense against these allegations.
Speaker 2: That's I'm just saying, it's in her interest to resign.
Speaker 5: So okay, So let's let's look at it from this aspect.
Speaker 5: You a moment ago, you was talking about her being
Speaker 5: able to provide legal counsel. Now, if we if she resigns,
Speaker 5: she has no income. She's a mother of too, she
Speaker 5: has no income. She has to pay rent, she has
Speaker 5: to eat, she has to provide and pay her bills,
Speaker 5: glass and then still try to pay a lawyer. So
Speaker 5: therefore that's not going to work.
Speaker 2: No, No, what I'm saying. What I'm saying is, and
Speaker 2: again if you follow me here, I don't think that
Speaker 2: while she's working as a city councilor however much work
Speaker 2: she's doing advocating for her constituents like you and taking
Speaker 2: care of whatever problems constituents like you might bring to
Speaker 2: her attention, if she's being paid one hundred and fifteen
Speaker 2: thousand dollars the things she deserves to be you know,
Speaker 2: represented by uh, you know council, a quart appointed council,
Speaker 2: I think. I don't think anyone's making one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand dollars a year should do that. What I'm
Speaker 2: saying is, if if she did resign to defend herself effectively,
Speaker 2: I then might say, well, you know, she no longer
Speaker 2: has a job, she's she's resigned, she should have quart
Speaker 2: appointed council because.
Speaker 5: Who but you know, all the respect I mean in
Speaker 5: that respect, of.
Speaker 2: Course, quarter appointed council would not cost her anything.
Speaker 5: Okay, so let's get let's get this right. So you know,
Speaker 5: I have. I'm on that, Michelle Woolst. I'm the good
Speaker 5: gentleman that you know that they love to do the
Speaker 5: same thing to shut me up in the use of
Speaker 5: legal system, you know, because that's what the Democrats have
Speaker 5: been doing, and you know, and and for our clarity.
Speaker 5: This year, I supported Donald J. Trump because of our
Speaker 5: rights and our free speech and the immigration thing that's
Speaker 5: going on. So this year I rebelled against the Democratic
Speaker 5: Party because I feel like the Democratic Party has been
Speaker 5: doing really nasty things to people and not in overstepping
Speaker 5: their boundaries with our rights and our free speech and
Speaker 5: our First Amendment and with our First Amendment in the Constitution.
Speaker 2: So you feel this is an so I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: you feel this is an attack upon Tanya Fernandez Anderson.
Speaker 5: I mean, that's my personal feeling.
Speaker 2: You ever write to all your personal opinions, you.
Speaker 5: Know, And I'm not saying anyone is perfect. And I'm
Speaker 5: not sitting here staying you know, I don't know all
Speaker 5: the logistics of this case graft.
Speaker 2: So all I know is what I've read in the paper,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure you've read read it in the paper
Speaker 2: as well. So we're gonna you know, we're gonna agree
Speaker 2: to disagree. Okay, I understand where you're coming from.
Speaker 5: I hope you know you're you're saying. Man, you know,
Speaker 5: she should she should resign and to to do her case.
Speaker 5: But I feel she should maintain her job and and
Speaker 5: pay an attorney because I feel like a paid attorney
Speaker 5: is going to have a better chances for her in
Speaker 5: my opinion. And I also do know, just to make
Speaker 5: a note, uh, back when Chuck Turner was maybe he
Speaker 5: rests in peace and when he's not resting now, but
Speaker 5: when Chuck Turner was in office, and when they ousted him,
Speaker 5: he came back out and sued the city because they
Speaker 5: went against the laws, the city laws and the rules
Speaker 5: and the and the and the the city or necess
Speaker 5: So therefore he's suon in won So do we want
Speaker 5: to go back in that same role because Michelle who
Speaker 5: has quite a few lawsuits against her, and I personally
Speaker 5: can't wait for her to get out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, she she does. Looks she herself is pretty
Speaker 2: in battle at this point, there's no doubt. Look, I
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to call.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, well, and I also have to say I
Speaker 5: appreciate the fact that you can acknowledge that you know,
Speaker 5: she do new process.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, I mean everyone has a right to do process.
Speaker 2: And I mean, you know it's difficult to say, but
Speaker 2: even this this this guy, this coward that shot the
Speaker 2: guy in the back in New York and who was
Speaker 2: captured yesterday, he has a right to do process.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, everyone has a right to do process
Speaker 5: in this that's the country you live in. Before I leave, okay,
Speaker 5: said the said, and I know you've said it as
Speaker 5: well in your on going by what you leave, they
Speaker 5: say she's the other the employee A is a co
Speaker 5: operating witness. Well, I mean that's a family member. That's
Speaker 5: the point I'm want to make. Uh employee is not
Speaker 5: a family member. I just want to make that, Claire.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't I don't know that because I'm not
Speaker 2: involved in any way, shape or forming the case. I'm
Speaker 2: not covering the case as a reporter. If when I
Speaker 2: was a reporter, I would try to work my sources
Speaker 2: and get as much information as I can. I will
Speaker 2: take it. You sound like a reasonable guy, and you're
Speaker 2: a gentleman, and I can I will accept what you say,
Speaker 2: and people can wait at against whatever has been reported
Speaker 2: in the papers, but do me.
Speaker 5: This family member. So I just want to make.
Speaker 2: That Claire, okay, well, thank you very much.
Speaker 5: My family, so I know, okay.
Speaker 2: Well, continue to continue to listen to Night Side and
Speaker 2: call call myself. I've had I've had counselor for an
Speaker 2: Endus Anderson on this show before. She has, you know,
Speaker 2: been involved in some of these I don't know, you know,
Speaker 2: controversial incidents. There that incident where she went to last year,
Speaker 2: I think it was to mass and casts and some
Speaker 2: she was taking pictures and some someone stole her cell
Speaker 2: phone and uh and she recovered it, thankfully. So she's
Speaker 2: been the victim of crime and here she's she's accused
Speaker 2: of a crime. Joah, thank you so much.
Speaker 5: I look forward to Oh you have a great.
Speaker 2: Even so thanks good six one seven, two, five four
Speaker 2: ten thirty. One line there in six one seven, nine three,
Speaker 2: one ten thirty. Should Daniel Fernandez Anderson City councilor from
Speaker 2: Boston from you know, parts of Dorchester and Roxbury. I
Speaker 2: believe I'm I get confused by the districts these days.
Speaker 2: Should she resign while she's fighting this this indictment. I
Speaker 2: think it's in her best interest to resign period is
Speaker 2: that is not in any way, shape or form an
Speaker 2: indictment or or a belief that she's She's facing serious charges,
Speaker 2: but those charges are nothing proven in court. Back on
Speaker 2: Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Hey you very much, Dan Walkins. I'm reading from an
Speaker 2: article on Saturday Adrian Walker, who was I think someone
Speaker 2: who is favorably disposed towards Fernandez Anderson. Her district includes
Speaker 2: parts of the South End in Fenway. He said she's
Speaker 2: a trailblazer, first Muslim city council, first African immigrant, got
Speaker 2: off to a strong start taking charge of the council's
Speaker 2: most important committee, the one that handles the city budget.
Speaker 2: He writes, though if we're being honest, she pretty quickly
Speaker 2: seemed overwhelmed in that role. Fernandez Anderson spoke frequently about
Speaker 2: the challenges of being a black woman and an immigrant
Speaker 2: in a city government historically and friendly to both. She's
Speaker 2: been polarizing in the truest sense of the term. Her
Speaker 2: admirers would walk through fire for her. Her detractors, and
Speaker 2: there were more than a few, would say she accomplished little.
Speaker 2: That's again fairly balanced argument here. Besides picking a lot
Speaker 2: of pointless fights, he goes on to say Mayor Michelle
Speaker 2: will when other local leaders call the Fernandas Anderson to
Speaker 2: resign on Friday. Fernandus Anderson to resign Friday. My guess
Speaker 2: is that she hasn't gone anywhere in the near term
Speaker 2: as far as the city Council is concerned. She's innocent
Speaker 2: until proven guilty, in her day in court is probably
Speaker 2: far off. So this is a bad day for the
Speaker 2: Boston City Council for trust in city government. It will
Speaker 2: only start to reinforce the ever present notion that leaders
Speaker 2: herself serving and corrupt, and it reflects the fact that
Speaker 2: if a city council is willing to ignore the rules,
Speaker 2: there aren't many good ways to ring them in. Fernandres
Speaker 2: Anderson came into office pledging to be a powerful representative
Speaker 2: of the city's routinely marginalized voices. At her best, she's
Speaker 2: been exactly that, squandering that opportunity, and for so little
Speaker 2: seven thousand dollars, that's my comment, would be a huge
Speaker 2: loss for everyone she claimed to represent. And walker very balanced,
Speaker 2: I thought and thoughtful column in The Boston Globe on Saturday,
Speaker 2: and one that I'm sure he did not write with
Speaker 2: any sense of glee. Where are we going to go next?
Speaker 2: Let's go next and let me talk with Rashid, who's
Speaker 2: checking in from Dorchester as well. Rashid, welcome next to Nightside.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 5: I'm well, Dan, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: So what do you think? My thought is that she
Speaker 2: should resign because it's very difficult to fight a federal
Speaker 2: indictment while maintaining your position as an elected official and
Speaker 2: serving her constituents.
Speaker 6: Well, Dan, I think calls for her to resign that
Speaker 6: ship has passed. He should have resigned when she hired
Speaker 6: her son and sister to a city government position and
Speaker 6: gave them double salaries. She should have resigned when she
Speaker 6: refused to take the the oath of office just last year.
Speaker 6: I mean, she has been a disaster on the council,
Speaker 6: and every blunder that she has made warranted resignation. But
Speaker 6: I think I want, you know, everybody to think about
Speaker 6: this when we talk about resignation, I think obviously beating
Speaker 6: the dead horses the Chuck Turner lawsuit. We all know
Speaker 6: the rules there, but she's clearly broke according to the
Speaker 6: you know, I think it was in the indictment that
Speaker 6: she was missing car payments, he was missing rent payments.
Speaker 6: He has no money, she's not paying for an attorney.
Speaker 6: Clearly there's a financial issue here, and I think, honestly,
Speaker 6: if you any of us were in her position, she's
Speaker 6: gonna sit there collect that one p fifteen for the
Speaker 6: rest of the year while she fights this case, which
Speaker 6: he possibly will lose, and you know, at least go
Speaker 6: to federal prison with a few bucks in her pocket.
Speaker 2: Well, I get it, but I guess I guess you
Speaker 2: can be she could be a no show city councilor
Speaker 2: if she wanted to be. I don't think that's her style.
Speaker 2: I just I remember that I had forgotten about that.
Speaker 2: She refused I think to when she was sworn in
Speaker 2: place her hand on.
Speaker 4: You guys broke it.
Speaker 5: You broke it.
Speaker 6: I mean there was a watchdog group that broke it,
Speaker 6: but you were the one who brought it to the radio.
Speaker 6: And she came on your show to say, Oh, I
Speaker 6: was saying it silently in my head, It's like, what
Speaker 6: are we doing?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't know. I was glad she came
Speaker 2: on the show, and I was glad that she claimed
Speaker 2: what she claimed because I think people then could evaluate.
Speaker 2: It didn't make a difference because she was re elected
Speaker 2: pretty handily. She didn't have much of a serious competition,
Speaker 2: although I guess there are now a couple of candidates
Speaker 2: who are stirring around in her district, which includes I
Speaker 2: guess Roxbury as well as part of the Fenway in
Speaker 2: the in the south End. So she represents an interesting district.
Speaker 2: It's not monolithic in any sense of the term. You know, look,
Speaker 2: we have not had the best and the brightest on
Speaker 2: the Boston City Council over the years. Kendralaara, you crash
Speaker 2: came the city councilor who for years, I guess, was
Speaker 2: driving around town without a driver's licensing. How can you
Speaker 2: how can you pretend to be a city council or
Speaker 2: be a city councilor if you're going to ignore the
Speaker 2: rules of just striving And here she's she's gonna engage
Speaker 2: in nepotism of the highest order by hiring a son
Speaker 2: and a daughter, uh and then giving them pay raises
Speaker 2: virtually immediately.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, an employee like it comes to the bathroom,
Speaker 6: give me seven grand. And then you also forgot Arroyo
Speaker 6: and Rollins who try to democratically steal an election. They're
Speaker 6: both rest democracy and you know, it's just crazy. And
Speaker 6: I don't know what the people of Boston are are.
Speaker 6: I mean, I can't blame the people because I mean
Speaker 6: they're not really given the best options. I encourage those
Speaker 6: who are listening on your show. Maybe somebody can get inspired.
Speaker 6: Run for public office. You live in Boston, you're a good,
Speaker 6: decent human being. Run for public office. We need you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I well, there have been people. I think
Speaker 2: that her challenger was Roy Owens, who comes from a
Speaker 2: family of a political family in Roxbury. But if I
Speaker 2: were a young lawyer living in Dorchester, Roxbury and I
Speaker 2: was making fifty thousand dollars a year, you know, get
Speaker 2: small claims cases and you know, and representing people who
Speaker 2: have been charged with driving under this is an opportunity
Speaker 2: for them to break out. And someone goes and spend
Speaker 2: some time campaigning these offices. These offices are all winnable.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not at the race ten million dollars
Speaker 2: to win one of these races, and you get a
Speaker 2: group of people who support you and you you go
Speaker 2: in and you do a good job. You know, at
Speaker 2: some point you might become the mayor of Boston.
Speaker 6: I mean, yeah, but look at the mayor all's race.
Speaker 6: I mean, who do we even have We don't even
Speaker 6: have a lineup. No, we're what eleven ten, ten to
Speaker 6: eleven months out, nobody has said, hey, I want to
Speaker 6: run against the most politically vulnerable mayor in the history
Speaker 6: of the city of Boston. Like, we haven't even had
Speaker 6: anybody step up. I don't know. I don't know what's
Speaker 6: going on.
Speaker 5: I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 2: I suspicion someone will step up at some point. But
Speaker 2: the question is, in order to be an incumbent mayor,
Speaker 2: it takes a lot here in Boston. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: the power of the incumbency is great. Certainly Mayor Woo
Speaker 2: was involved in all sorts of fights. It was I
Speaker 2: talked about today. I think it's one of the one
Speaker 2: of the articles in the Boston World today with North
Speaker 2: End business owners and other parts of the city. She
Speaker 2: she has she's really gone out of her way to
Speaker 2: alienate people.
Speaker 6: Yes, sometimes the Bacco Thank you Senator Collins for blogging that.
Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, that's data even being provided properly. I mean,
Speaker 6: I don't know, I don't know if.
Speaker 5: Well, she's a disaster.
Speaker 2: You got to go back a long time to see
Speaker 2: an incumbent mayor of Boston defeated. You know, Kevin White
Speaker 2: ran four times and he retired. Ray Flynn went to
Speaker 2: the Vatican. Tom Monina was there twenty years and he retired.
Speaker 2: Marty Walsh went to the to the Biden cabinet. Is
Speaker 2: now the secretary of the National Hockey League. And I
Speaker 2: believe that that Michelle wou doesn't she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: continue as mayor. For like, she's not a Tom Menino,
Speaker 2: she's not a Marty Walsh. She has her.
Speaker 6: Yes, maybe Trump with a pointer, Dan, maybe he will
Speaker 6: make an ambassador or something.
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think she wants she has her.
Speaker 2: She's looking at Liz Warren sent it seat and she's.
Speaker 6: Looking Oh, she's looking at her Marquie Markey, And I
Speaker 6: don't think he looks too hot, Dan, I don't think
Speaker 6: he looks too hot. So maybe he Joe.
Speaker 2: At Marky surprised a lot of people with his strength,
Speaker 2: particularly with younger people. And Mark he's not up now
Speaker 2: for well, I guess he's up uh in twenty six years? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So who knows things? Two years is a lifetime in politics,
Speaker 2: Rashid always interesting, challenging call. Thank you, my friend. I
Speaker 2: really appreciate you. Thank you, Dan, talk to you soon, buddy.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All Right, gonna take quick break. I got Jack and Bill.
Speaker 2: You guys stay, They're going to get you in for sure.
Speaker 2: If anyone else wants to join this conversation, feel free.
Speaker 2: Six months, seven two, five, four, ten thirty six months
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Speaker 2: a Boston listener, this does affect you. It affects your city. Uh,
Speaker 2: your voice should be heard back on NIGHTSID after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, let's go to Jack and Newton. Jack, you
Speaker 2: next to Nightside Welcome.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, thank you Jack Porter. I'm gonna take a
Speaker 7: little bit of different slant on as I'm a sociologist
Speaker 7: and I see a definite pattern here with women who
Speaker 7: are black or minority, single mothers possibly or even men.
Speaker 7: They are just there's not just three or four, it's
Speaker 7: turning into like four or five of them. And you're
Speaker 7: talking about mister Arroyo, Chuck Turner, Dorris Wilkinson, Richelvell. So
Speaker 7: my theory is possibly two things. One they feel entitled
Speaker 7: to it, like, oh, I'm so oppressed and I work
Speaker 7: so hard to get to this position. I can do something.
Speaker 7: I can do things that are not you know, one
Speaker 7: hundred percent kosher, or they don't have a good self
Speaker 7: image and the stress of being in that job. They
Speaker 7: maybe didn't feel like they don't deserve it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Jack, I mean, each each case is
Speaker 2: different onto itself. There are a lot of white political
Speaker 2: leaders who have gotten themselves in trouble for the same thing.
Speaker 2: I think that Look at Diane Wilkinson was caught on
Speaker 2: camera stuffing cash into her bra I mean, that was,
Speaker 2: you know, a classic case. But she's she's come back.
Speaker 2: She's had a political comeback sorts. You know, back in
Speaker 2: the day, James Michael Curley ran for office from from jail.
Speaker 7: So I right, But I'm talking about in the last
Speaker 7: five or six or ten years we've had this particular
Speaker 7: I'm talking as I'm making a sociological observation, But there's
Speaker 7: a whole bunch.
Speaker 2: Of there's a whole bunch of black women at the
Speaker 2: Attorney General. To come with Andrea Campbell is black there's
Speaker 2: been no scandal.
Speaker 7: I get this all the time because it's always the accepted.
Speaker 7: But that's what I do. I generalize as a sociologist.
Speaker 7: I see a pattern here.
Speaker 2: No, I get I'm not trying to I'm not trying to.
Speaker 7: Argue that, actually, what's that I'd like to Maybe your
Speaker 7: callers can give me an answer to this. I'm not
Speaker 7: putting it down. I'm not saying that something intrinsically wrong
Speaker 7: with you know, black women or whatever. I'm just trying
Speaker 7: to figure out a pattern here.
Speaker 2: For this pattern. It's like it's like saying that the
Speaker 2: best players in the NBA are over six ft ten. Uh. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that might be true because they have the height advantage,
Speaker 2: But then you have guys like Steph Curry, who's who's
Speaker 2: probably six ' one, who for a time was the best.
Speaker 2: I just think that generalizations tend to generally get people trouble.
Speaker 7: That's all. That's my job as a social You don't
Speaker 7: have the sociological asentation and that you want to go there.
Speaker 7: But I'm trying to figure this out. Maybe someone in
Speaker 7: the audience can explain.
Speaker 2: You see, if someone reacts to it, it's as simple
Speaker 2: as that. I mean there's a lot of uh you know,
Speaker 2: black members uh in Congress about whom there's that no
Speaker 2: uh no scent of of problems. Uh I I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't agree with Ia Presley un much as you
Speaker 2: probably know. But but you know, she served as the
Speaker 2: city council, got elected to Congress, and uh, you know again,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 7: Look, well it really hurt me. For example, when Chuck
Speaker 7: Turner you know, did what he did, or even then
Speaker 7: they said they didn't have enough money. Maybe money is
Speaker 7: an issue, but but there are many city councilors that
Speaker 7: also may have money problems, but they don't do things
Speaker 7: that are not legal, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 7: can't use that ague.
Speaker 2: But I don't. But again, you I just don't want
Speaker 2: anyone to say, oh, they were talking about black politicians
Speaker 2: being more likely to do I think that that.
Speaker 7: I just be a pattern in this in this city,
Speaker 7: all right, in the last ten years. I'm not going
Speaker 7: to generalize on Well, there's other cities.
Speaker 2: You could go to Marilynd Mosby down who was who's
Speaker 2: a Boston Bostonian, grew up in Boston, she was elected
Speaker 2: in Baltimore. She's in she's in trouble. So yeah, you
Speaker 2: get the Mayor of New York.
Speaker 7: Eric Adams my theory.
Speaker 2: I get it. I get it.
Speaker 7: This is a good theory. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2: Well, let's say, let's see if I'm to react Jack again,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. Jack is one of my more
Speaker 2: liberal members. Let me make that very clear. Thanks Jack,
Speaker 2: Doctor Sue Bill and Natick Bill next on Knights. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead, Bill, Yes, Hi.
Speaker 4: First of all, I wasn't gonna say anything about it,
Speaker 4: but a call like that makes me annoyed that someone's
Speaker 4: trying to pull someone's trying to even if he's uncertain,
Speaker 4: to make any kind of racial connection to this. I
Speaker 4: don't think that's productive. The reason why I called.
Speaker 2: That's why. By the way, Billy, just.
Speaker 4: Let me let me finish.
Speaker 2: Let me just let me just and then you'll be
Speaker 2: able to finish. I just wanted you to note that
Speaker 2: I disagreed with Jack on his theory. Just please.
Speaker 4: It doesn't I understand he disagreed, but he got airtime,
Speaker 4: and I think it's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: I mean, so go ahead, here's your time.
Speaker 4: I think it's It doesn't make any difference whether it's
Speaker 4: a talk show host or a caller like me, or
Speaker 4: anyone who is not in the electorate that elected this
Speaker 4: city councilor it is not relevant or important for anyone
Speaker 4: else to weigh in this except the people who voted
Speaker 4: for her. That's my opinion. Can you imagine a convicted
Speaker 4: felon being a president? Can you imagine a convicted sexual
Speaker 4: abuser being a president? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: It always to those of you who sentence, Let me
Speaker 2: do my syndrome, it always consists, has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Let me finish my sentence. What I'm saying is is
Speaker 4: that it has to do exactly with the electorate who
Speaker 4: wants the person to be in office or not? And
Speaker 4: you do not. This talk show hosts Jimmy, this talk
Speaker 4: show doesn't know what her what her supporters, or her
Speaker 4: electric feel about this. So I think she has every
Speaker 4: right to stay in office. She may have significant financial problems,
Speaker 4: and until she's convicted, then she should then be Then
Speaker 4: the electorate she may have to resign. But until she's convicted,
Speaker 4: the electorate is the one who put her there, and
Speaker 4: they're the ones who should allow her to stay there.
Speaker 2: And I think everything stay, everything get built. It doesn't
Speaker 2: you want to have want to make a speech doesn't work. Okay,
Speaker 2: don't try to imply that I'm not doing what I'm
Speaker 2: supposed to do. I talk about issues of controversy. Okay, uh,
Speaker 2: And you listen to the talk show enough to know
Speaker 2: that I I range far and wide to pick issues
Speaker 2: of of of that people are interested in. That's that's
Speaker 2: all I'm saying. And this is an issue you know, go,
Speaker 2: you know, tell that to Michelle Wu. She's the mayor
Speaker 2: of Boston. She she didn't vote for Tanya Fernandez Anderson
Speaker 2: because she doesn't live in the district. So so if
Speaker 2: you've got a problem with someone calling for her resignation,
Speaker 2: talk go call Michelle will see if she takes your call.
Speaker 4: I'm only interested in one thing, Dan, You have every
Speaker 4: right to have any subjects you want because you're there
Speaker 4: to do a job. You're you're there to do a
Speaker 4: job to have people be interested, including myself call in.
Speaker 4: My point is, it doesn't make a difference what anyone
Speaker 4: feels except the people who elected her. Period.
Speaker 2: The only person who's going to make the difference in
Speaker 2: all reality is herself. Because she could have one hundred
Speaker 2: people in her district come to her tomorrow and say
Speaker 2: we want you to resign. That might influence her, but
Speaker 2: she's the one who will have to make that decision. Bill,
Speaker 2: you're challenging call. I wish I could give you more time,
Speaker 2: but it's eleven o'clock. Uh. And please continue to call,
Speaker 2: challenge me anytime you want, but don't challenge my integrity. Okay.
Speaker 2: Well I was cutting a whiff of it, Bill, and
Speaker 2: and I you know, when you started to talk about
Speaker 2: me allowing Jack Jack's point of view, he he's welcome
Speaker 2: to call this show. You're welcome. Everyone is welcome to
Speaker 2: call this show. That's what I run here. It's an
Speaker 2: it's an open forum. There are certain points of view
Speaker 2: that I'm not going to allow. If someone's gonna call
Speaker 2: and spew obvious racism, uh, I don't tolerate that, Okay,
Speaker 2: Or hatred toward a group of people because of their
Speaker 2: ethnic background, I don't tolerate that. But a point of
Speaker 2: view is permitted. That's all. That's what that's what this
Speaker 2: show is all about. And it'll stay that way as
Speaker 2: long as I'm behind the microphone. You are always welcome
Speaker 2: to call and argue with me. And I enjoyed your
Speaker 2: phone call. I'm really I mean that seriously, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that to you in any way other
Speaker 2: than with complete sincerity. Thanks for calling and we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks Bill, We'll take a quick break. Here's the eleven
Speaker 2: o'clock news. I'm willing to continue this conversation if you want.
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