Speaker 1: All right, welcome, welcome, everybody, welcome the show. This is
Speaker 1: Hesher for boiler Room. We are coming in hot with
Speaker 1: some breaking news here. It looks like some shit is
Speaker 1: going down over at the Unite the Right rally that's
Speaker 1: happening in Charlottesville, Virginia. All kinds of crazy stuff happening
Speaker 1: there this afternoon. Andy Nowicki of the Boiler Room is
Speaker 1: out there on the ground and there is a lot
Speaker 1: of chaos happening right now. We're trying to raise Andy
Speaker 1: on the skype. I'm joined by Funk Soul fellow boiler
Speaker 1: Room or here with me. Folks, are you.
Speaker 2: There, Yes, I'm here, Hesha, good to be with you.
Speaker 1: All right, okay, thanks for joining us on short notice.
Speaker 1: Looks like we've got some crazy stuff breaking here while
Speaker 1: we're trying to raise mister Nowicki. Let's let's just go
Speaker 1: to our tea right now to see what's happening. It
Speaker 1: appears that a vehicle has driven into a crowd of
Speaker 1: people and looks like there are definitely some injuries here.
Speaker 1: So let's see what's going on here on this live stream.
Speaker 3: That's great for democracy, but we need to have the
Speaker 3: maturity and the result to reject all forms of violence
Speaker 3: within that political structure.
Speaker 4: Alvin, appreciate you coming on our tea to give us
Speaker 4: your thoughts on this this horrific event today in Shartsville, Virginia.
Speaker 4: I guess Ivin bought from the Libertarian National Committee, and
Speaker 4: through throughout that interview, we've been showing you these disturbing
Speaker 4: images coming from the incident where at least one we're
Speaker 4: actually hearing reports three cars may have been involved in this,
Speaker 4: plowing their way through a crowd of anti far protesters
Speaker 4: there in Charlottesville, Virginia. Police is saying that there are
Speaker 4: at least six people injured. Earlier, we spoke to Auntie
Speaker 4: America's Alex Rubinstein.
Speaker 5: He was at the scene. He witnessed what happened when he.
Speaker 6: Knew the mark was coming.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure how it worked physically, but the person
Speaker 7: in front, from what I hear, was able to drive
Speaker 7: away and was followed by a state trooper. That was
Speaker 7: told to me by an NBC reporter. I didn't see
Speaker 7: that personally. I saw, I saw, I didn't. I saw
Speaker 7: two cars that were totaled. The trunk was just completely smashed.
Speaker 7: A woman was inside crying. There was there was blood
Speaker 7: on the hood of her vehicle. There was blood all
Speaker 7: over the place. People, about sixteen people injured. I saw,
Speaker 7: I saw some of them flying through the air over
Speaker 7: the hood of the car. And I'm hearing actually one,
Speaker 7: one possible fatality. I can't confirm that, but that's that's
Speaker 7: what I've been hearing on the ground. And I also
Speaker 7: care about sixteen people injured total.
Speaker 4: Has there been any suggestion at this point as to
Speaker 4: who the victims were The people who were hit by
Speaker 4: this car. Were they right wing protesters or the counter protesters?
Speaker 7: No, no, they were counterprotes They were more of the
Speaker 7: Antifa variety. They weren't breaking things or anything like that.
Speaker 7: They were marching through a very very small road. It's
Speaker 7: a one way and they had just a big number
Speaker 7: of people in that stretch, and the car just plowed
Speaker 7: through three cars, actually plowed through.
Speaker 2: Two of them.
Speaker 7: It appears to be unintentionally one of them, and it
Speaker 7: appears to be very intentional.
Speaker 4: I mean, this sounds like an horrific scene. Lots of
Speaker 4: people injured by the sound. What have the authorities done
Speaker 4: about this? I would imagine they would place down into
Speaker 4: something like this people.
Speaker 7: Well, it's not completely locked down. I mean, streets have
Speaker 7: been shut off on and off all day in Charlottesville.
Speaker 7: They were originally fire trucks came down and even a
Speaker 7: bear cat. The bear Cat was the first vehicle to
Speaker 7: respond after reports had started coming out of this of
Speaker 7: this incident, and then later on some ambulances were able
Speaker 7: to show off after about like seven to ten minutes
Speaker 7: or so. I hear Don Trump is going to give
Speaker 7: a speech later tonight say something about this.
Speaker 8: But it seems a lot.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, We've got Andy Willie join us on the
Speaker 1: scene over there in Charlottesville, Virginia. Andy, NOWICKI are you there?
Speaker 9: I'm here, all right.
Speaker 1: So our first of all, glad you're safe. It seems
Speaker 1: like there's some crazy stuff happening down there. Are you
Speaker 1: anywhere near this this incident with the car plowing into people?
Speaker 6: I know, well, I have no idea about that at all.
Speaker 6: I first heard about it on our I guess our
Speaker 6: communication by skype Jay said something about it, and I
Speaker 6: didn't know about it at all, And then the clip
Speaker 6: you just played is the first first I've heard about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks pretty crazy. They're saying three cars were
Speaker 1: involved and potentially up to sixteen people injured, potential fatality.
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's at that stage right now where
Speaker 1: we're not really getting much information, but the images are crazy.
Speaker 1: There's definitely uh cars with what appears to be blood
Speaker 1: on them and damage to the front. So something.
Speaker 9: It is.
Speaker 6: It is an ugly, ugly scene here. I can say
Speaker 6: that much what I've seen.
Speaker 1: Let us give us a Actually, I'm gonna play a
Speaker 1: clip here. I've got a clip that you recorded. Let
Speaker 1: me just play this to kind of set the mood
Speaker 1: for people who are just tuning in here. This is
Speaker 1: available up on Andy Nowiki's YouTube page. You can find
Speaker 1: him on YouTube. Just type in Andy no Wiki. Uh.
Speaker 1: But this is something he recorded just earlier today.
Speaker 10: This is what a police state looks like. This is
Speaker 10: a police state. I have the constitution. There is nice
Speaker 10: all that we get to to. We're we're permitted to
Speaker 10: assemble these armed thugs of the stage for breaking up
Speaker 10: the age a gathering.
Speaker 1: They're breaking up a gathering.
Speaker 10: Back, tell me the reason why why? What is the
Speaker 10: reason why this No, I'm not moving back until you
Speaker 10: tell me why there was a permit for this for
Speaker 10: this rally?
Speaker 6: Why was this permit revoked at the last minute.
Speaker 9: How is that lawful?
Speaker 1: How is that lawful?
Speaker 5: How is that lawful?
Speaker 1: How is that lawful?
Speaker 11: You know, don't push me, don't push me, has off me?
Speaker 9: This is a lawful assembly.
Speaker 2: You are unlawful.
Speaker 1: You are unlawful.
Speaker 7: You are unlawful.
Speaker 12: The whole world is seeing this.
Speaker 9: I'm leaving. I'm leaving.
Speaker 5: I'm leaving.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So tell us what's going on here so
Speaker 1: the radio listeners can get a feel for what just
Speaker 1: happened there.
Speaker 6: We got a little Alex jonesy there, I guess.
Speaker 1: Starting up a mosh pit with a bunch of riot
Speaker 1: cops there.
Speaker 6: But well that's the let I actually made three different videos.
Speaker 9: That was the last of them.
Speaker 6: And I was really there in the capacity of I mean,
Speaker 6: I'm sympathetic to the marchers, but you know, I'm not
Speaker 6: a member of any of the groups that are marching,
Speaker 6: and so I was sort of going to be I
Speaker 6: was here representing the sympathetic media, but I wasn't really
Speaker 6: I had no plan to get in the thick of
Speaker 6: things and you know, bust anybody's heads or you know,
Speaker 6: if things got ugly. I didn't intend to, you know,
Speaker 6: take part in anything. But but I really what happened
Speaker 6: was I mean, it was it was a It was
Speaker 6: an ugly, ugly scene from the start. And the more
Speaker 6: I think about it now, the more it seems like
Speaker 6: the local authorities it was just set.
Speaker 9: Up to fail.
Speaker 6: Of course, they tried to make it so that the
Speaker 6: rally wasn't even gonna happen, even though there was a
Speaker 6: lawful permit that was gotten to hold the stage's rally
Speaker 6: in in Lee Park, which is where the the statue
Speaker 6: of Robert E. Lee is that the city now wants
Speaker 6: to tear down. Uh, so that they were gonna rally there.
Speaker 6: They got a permit and then the city council tried
Speaker 6: to revoke it, and then actually the a c l
Speaker 6: U of all groups stepped in and said, no, that's
Speaker 6: not that's not fair, that's that's not lawful. Uh you
Speaker 6: know they have they're permitted to assemble and that's that.
Speaker 6: So so it was it was on, but everything was
Speaker 6: just totally chaotic. It was just it was what do
Speaker 6: they say in the military, fou bar. Yes, it was
Speaker 6: fu bar to the max. You know, I was walking
Speaker 6: up from you know, I was with a group. I
Speaker 6: was sort of embedded like a journalist in the you know,
Speaker 6: uh in in in in wartime.
Speaker 9: I was sort of like that.
Speaker 6: I was with these guys who were members of these groups.
Speaker 6: The Traditionalist Workers Party was the group that I was
Speaker 6: mainly with. There were a couple other ones around as well,
Speaker 6: and we uh, we all marched down and you know,
Speaker 6: uh uh started in a parking deck, marched onto the
Speaker 6: street and then immediately when we turned the corner and
Speaker 6: the protesters were there.
Speaker 9: The Antifa were there, and.
Speaker 6: They were of course extremely belligerent, which you would expect.
Speaker 6: But what I didn't expect was there there were absolutely
Speaker 6: no cops. Like in this crucial spot where you turned
Speaker 6: the corner and come up the steps to get to
Speaker 6: the where the monument is where the rally was going
Speaker 6: to be, they were standing in the way, and so
Speaker 6: there was pushing and shoving because.
Speaker 13: The the the the people attending the event wanted to
Speaker 13: get there, and and you know, these jerks were standing
Speaker 13: in the way and yelling things at them and spitting
Speaker 13: at them.
Speaker 1: And how big was the crowd there?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 6: You know, I took video of the crowd as well.
Speaker 6: I would say there was maybe I'm guessing maybe one
Speaker 6: hundred and fifty two hundred people something like that, angry protesters.
Speaker 9: You know, of course some of them were.
Speaker 6: Not all of them were were belligerent, Not all of
Speaker 6: them were violent, not all of them were throwing things,
Speaker 6: but but a good a goodly number of them were.
Speaker 6: And it was total anarchy because there was nobody. There
Speaker 6: were no law enforcement officials there to clear up path.
Speaker 6: There was no escort, there was no you know, there
Speaker 6: were no cops there saying okay, step aside, let these
Speaker 6: people through so they can lawfully enter the area where.
Speaker 1: The ie like, we lost connection a little bit there, Andy, Well,
Speaker 1: looks like he dropped. Okay, we're gonna try to reconnect. Andy,
Speaker 1: go ahead, funks off. If you got an update for us.
Speaker 14: There has been a connection a short time ago via
Speaker 14: the zero Hedge news.
Speaker 2: Why are you guys?
Speaker 14: There is one confirmed fatality so far, many injured after
Speaker 14: the coplad into the protesters earlier in Charlotte's Charlottesville. The
Speaker 14: driver is currently in custody. The mayor of Charlottesville has
Speaker 14: confirmed the fatality. He has said, I quote, I am
Speaker 14: heartbroken that a life has been lost here.
Speaker 2: I urge all people of goodwill go home.
Speaker 14: Jes Sessions as is due to statements saying that we
Speaker 14: stand united behind the president and conduct the violence in Charlottesville. Also,
Speaker 14: there was apparently reported up to nine people on the
Speaker 14: ground in total, and they don't know whether it was
Speaker 14: a man or a woman who was the victim of
Speaker 14: this fatality. The license plates are Ohio based and the
Speaker 14: make of the vehicle is reported to be a twenty
Speaker 14: ten Dodge Challenger, So it's starting to get quite a detailed.
Speaker 1: Now, Okay, all right, wow, okay, Andy, Nowicky, are you back?
Speaker 9: I'm back?
Speaker 1: Sorry about that, Okay, yeah, no problem. We're just getting
Speaker 1: a quick update from Funks. All there. It sounds like
Speaker 1: we have a fatality confirmed by the media here with
Speaker 1: regards to the car incidents, So go ahead continue your story.
Speaker 1: You were just breaking down the size of the crowd
Speaker 1: and how it seemed like there was no police support
Speaker 1: to help anybody or to divide the two crowds as
Speaker 1: the march was beginning.
Speaker 6: There no, there was no Now, there were police, but
Speaker 6: they were on the least that were there were all
Speaker 6: standing in you know, in a row on the top
Speaker 6: of the hill where the next to the statue. That
Speaker 6: was what that was all they were doing. They were
Speaker 6: just standing there doing absolutely nothing. It was and the
Speaker 6: chaos was getting worse and worse they were, and I
Speaker 6: filmed it, and I'm going to put I haven't posted
Speaker 6: the those those videos on YouTube yet, but I'm going to.
Speaker 6: But uh, it was crazy. I mean they were They
Speaker 6: were throwing water bottles and cans and and other things
Speaker 6: and smoke bombs back and uh, we were up on
Speaker 6: the hill the the you know, the the demonstrate that
Speaker 6: the people taking part in the Unite the Right rally
Speaker 6: were up on the hill and the uh, the Antifa
Speaker 6: and the and the and the counter protesters or whatever
Speaker 6: they would whatever you would call them. Uh, the antiphat
Speaker 6: types were below us, and so they were yelling things
Speaker 6: and throwing things up at where where we were. So
Speaker 6: you were dodging bottles left and right. I mean, it
Speaker 6: was just it was just it was just incredible.
Speaker 1: And the and the police had no no qualms about
Speaker 1: people throwing bottles into the crowd.
Speaker 9: Huh, they weren't there there. There was there was no police.
Speaker 9: There was nobody there too.
Speaker 6: I mean, it was u it was a total free
Speaker 6: for all and and it got ugly. I mean there
Speaker 6: were there were some brawls there were some scuffles.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 6: There were a couple of times where they threw smoke
Speaker 6: bombs ut on the hill and then and then somebody
Speaker 6: on the hill took it and threw it back at them. Uh,
Speaker 6: and that and then people on the hill cheered about that.
Speaker 6: But uh, but but there was never really much time
Speaker 6: to uh. I mean, it was just uh, it was
Speaker 6: not dying down, it was getting it was getting more
Speaker 6: and it was getting worse. If anything, the uh, you know,
Speaker 6: the bad vibes were were amping up higher and higher.
Speaker 6: And then I remember suddenly the we were told too,
Speaker 6: We were told to not not by any policemen or
Speaker 6: official but anyone in official capacity, but some other members
Speaker 6: of the Unite the Right rally.
Speaker 9: Some of the leaders of.
Speaker 6: These groups were told us to move over these particular barricades.
Speaker 6: So it was sort of like we were dropping back
Speaker 6: to another position behind these barricades, that maybe it was
Speaker 6: going to be a more stable position for us. And
Speaker 6: again this is before any of the speakers, any of
Speaker 6: the people who were supposed to speak spoke at all.
Speaker 6: And then so so all of that was was just
Speaker 6: was wild and crazy and ridiculous and out of control.
Speaker 9: But what really set me off. And you can hear
Speaker 9: it in that.
Speaker 6: The video you just played, and there's a couple other
Speaker 6: videos like that. What set me off was that all
Speaker 6: of a sudden, somebody, uh, this big the Swat team
Speaker 6: March March stuff, this like, I don't know, fifteen twenty guys,
Speaker 6: you know, in full swat gear and you know, with
Speaker 6: the the masks over their eyes and the body armor,
Speaker 6: the whole the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's everything, the ballaclas, the full on umpire
Speaker 1: get yes, yes, it's crazy to see your footage. Everybody
Speaker 1: should go check that out on YouTube if you want
Speaker 1: to get a look at.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and and so and so somebody was saying this this,
Speaker 6: you know, was just reading this announced message over and
Speaker 6: over and over again. This, uh, this has been this
Speaker 6: something like, this gathering has been has been declared unlawful.
Speaker 6: You must disperse or you will be arrested. And he
Speaker 6: just kept repeating it, you know, every couple of minutes.
Speaker 6: This gathering has been declared unlawful. You must disperse or
Speaker 6: you will be arrested. And that was what set me off,
Speaker 6: because I mean, that was just such a such a
Speaker 6: dirty trick, uh. And and I think it was a
Speaker 6: dirty trick, you know, and it's not I don't think
Speaker 6: it is in any way lawful because you know, the
Speaker 6: permit was attained, Uh.
Speaker 9: It was backed up by the A C.
Speaker 6: L U, who certainly aren't on the you know, certainly
Speaker 6: aren't fans of Unite the Right or or the alt
Speaker 6: right in any way, but they are they do believe
Speaker 6: in the First Amendment.
Speaker 2: Bless them for that.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, and so that was when I just lost it
Speaker 6: because and I just started, you know, I started filming
Speaker 6: these these swat guys and saying, this is what a
Speaker 6: police state looks like. And and uh when he said,
Speaker 6: when the guy was saying, you know, you must disperse this.
Speaker 9: This has been declared unlawful.
Speaker 6: You must disperse or you'll be arrested, I kept saying,
Speaker 6: why is it unlawful?
Speaker 9: Why? Why?
Speaker 6: And eventually me and a few other guys, I think
Speaker 6: some of the I think Richard Spencer was one of them,
Speaker 6: and maybe Mike Enoch and Nathan Domingo, and there may
Speaker 6: be there were maybe a couple other ones. We all
Speaker 6: just sort of an impromptu way linked arms. And you
Speaker 6: can see this in the second video that I posted,
Speaker 6: where the swath starts coming at us. Uh, and they're
Speaker 6: trying to you know, just just you know, sort of muscleus.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: You know, muscless are around or you know, move us
Speaker 6: out of the way, make us move. But we we
Speaker 6: sort of are pushing back against them, leaning back against them.
Speaker 6: Uh and you know, trying to bring our force against theirs.
Speaker 6: Of course, they they won eventually because there's more of them,
Speaker 6: and they were bigger, and there were just like five
Speaker 6: or six of us, maybe a few more maybe maybe
Speaker 6: seven or eight of us. But uh, then then I
Speaker 6: got as you could see in the last video, I
Speaker 6: got man handled by this one one cop.
Speaker 9: He was you know, sort of trying to wave uh. Uh.
Speaker 6: He didn't try to knock the camera out of my hand,
Speaker 6: but he was sort of trying to putting a hand up, saying,
Speaker 6: you know, put that away, and and I just kept
Speaker 6: on him, you know, saying saying how was this lawful?
Speaker 6: Blah blah blah, you know, keeping at it somewhat aggressively.
Speaker 6: And then he got physical and you know, just pushed
Speaker 6: me over. And then uh there were then there was
Speaker 6: there was tear gas, and there there were several times
Speaker 6: where there was uh uh where there were blasts of
Speaker 6: tear gas and suddenly you were doubling over, coughing. I
Speaker 6: don't know if you've ever had that experience before. Have
Speaker 6: you ever have you ever had tear gas?
Speaker 1: No, not a not a full on experience with it.
Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid, I had like
Speaker 1: some uh some dog tear gas because there was an
Speaker 1: aggressive dog down the street on the way to the
Speaker 1: bus stop. So I may have gotten a little bit
Speaker 1: of you know, back spray from the wind maybe once
Speaker 1: trying to get that dog off away from me. But no,
Speaker 1: I've never experienced a full dose. I mean, I can
Speaker 1: only imagine how uncomfortable that is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So so that was when at the end of
Speaker 6: that video you see me just doubled.
Speaker 9: Over and.
Speaker 6: I'm just filming the ground for for a minute or
Speaker 6: so because I just I've forgotten that I was even
Speaker 6: holding a camera and that the camera was even on.
Speaker 6: So so yeah, so that was that. And then you know,
Speaker 6: of course, uh, when we had to disperse, and then
Speaker 6: some of the some of the Antifa were were still
Speaker 6: hanging around harassing the uh the alt right types, and
Speaker 6: and so some fights were breaking out there. I saw
Speaker 6: some some pretty brutal fights happening. There were again really
Speaker 6: really bad vibes, a lot of anger, uh, you know,
Speaker 6: and it was just it was getting worse and worse,
Speaker 6: and it just got bungled. I mean, it just got
Speaker 6: really badly handled by the authorities. I mean it I
Speaker 6: was saying, uh on our chat that, as far as
Speaker 6: I'm concerned, Charlottesville is Berkeley Berkeley East in the way
Speaker 6: that they handle this, you know, just sort of letting
Speaker 6: the letting the rampagers rampage and not doing anything.
Speaker 9: About it, secretly probably being in league with them.
Speaker 1: That way. From from what I'm seeing here on the feeds,
Speaker 1: you know, from the from everybody's comments that are there,
Speaker 1: From from what I'm seeing on the footage, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of periscope footage going around, a lot of tweets
Speaker 1: with video footage, your excellent video footage. I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: this this doesn't seem like the kind of thing where, oh,
Speaker 1: they just decided, you know, day of the event that
Speaker 1: it was no longer a lawful gathering. I mean, not
Speaker 1: that they even had. You know, you guys shouldn't even
Speaker 1: need a permit to have a lawful gathering in public,
Speaker 1: you know, So, I mean it's just ridiculous. And I agree,
Speaker 1: it very much looks like it was you you know,
Speaker 1: that the the demonstration was entrapped into being there and
Speaker 1: now lo and behold, we've got an automobile attack happening
Speaker 1: on a really busy street. I'm looking at the footage
Speaker 1: that was captured of this right now. It's very pretty graphic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's really graphic. It's very brutal. It does appear that
Speaker 1: a lot of people were.
Speaker 12: Hit.
Speaker 1: It looks like a Dodge has pushed into a couple
Speaker 1: of other cars and multiple people were hit by more
Speaker 1: than one car. This is really gnarly looking. And of
Speaker 1: course it looks like this is gonna be probably hard
Speaker 1: to say, but if I had to guess, I'd say
Speaker 1: this is going to be blamed on the right. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be blamed on the al right, right, something
Speaker 1: like to that effect here, because it looks like it
Speaker 1: was the counter protest crowd there, the antifoot crowd, if
Speaker 1: you will, that took the brunt of this automobile attack.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 14: I mean, it's been filtering out over the social media
Speaker 14: feeds already that it's Trump's fault, it's the Bannan's it's
Speaker 14: bright Bart's folds. It's just everyone who you can think of.
Speaker 14: It's it's all their faults. So, just to echo what
Speaker 14: Hesher said, I think, yeah, things are going to get
Speaker 14: pretty gnarly after today with the with the lefty liberals
Speaker 14: so called cracking down on anyone with conservative sentiments within themselves.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think there's some naughty times. I heard
Speaker 2: you guys.
Speaker 1: Well, I wish I could say I was surprised. I've
Speaker 1: been waiting for this event to pop off or something
Speaker 1: like it, and it seems that it's here. Andy. Do
Speaker 1: you are you still in the vicinity. It looks like,
Speaker 1: let's see, it looks like this happened at Fourth and
Speaker 1: Water Streets. The police have cordoned off the scene. They're
Speaker 1: saying please avoid the area of Fourth and Water Streets.
Speaker 1: Multiple injuries after crash. CPD Virginia State Police responding it's
Speaker 1: with the Facebook message on the Charlottesville Police it's there's
Speaker 1: a video footage posted that shows the moment a dark
Speaker 1: gray car rams into a light gray car before violently reversing.
Speaker 1: So people got hit as it reversed really quickly, as
Speaker 1: well as some people that got hit by the car
Speaker 1: that it ran. One or two cars that it rammed into.
Speaker 1: Great graphics scene here, and different from some of the
Speaker 1: other auto attacks where there's no close up footage of it.
Speaker 1: There appears to have been a lot of cameras on
Speaker 1: in this location where this happens, so there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of footage of this out there.
Speaker 9: Well, I.
Speaker 6: Kind of need to be taken off just because I'm
Speaker 6: it's actually it's actually my daughter's birthday, so I need
Speaker 6: to call and wish your happy birthday. But I was
Speaker 6: glad to be able to meet with you guys and
Speaker 6: talk a little bit about what the experience was from
Speaker 6: my perspective, from my vantage point.
Speaker 1: Glad to tear you okay, Yeah, Yeah, we're glad you're okay, Andy,
Speaker 1: And thanks for calling in and giving us an update.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people were wondering. We've all
Speaker 1: been watching this go down in real time. It's been
Speaker 1: been a big day. There's been a hack over at
Speaker 1: red Ice, so there's just been a lot of attack
Speaker 1: going on against the conservative spectrum, the right, the alt right,
Speaker 1: the allt light. You know, it's there's gonna be no
Speaker 1: difference between any of those different shades of political worldview
Speaker 1: at this point among the left. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: not looking good here. But Andy will let you go.
Speaker 1: Any final words for everybody, and if not, go out
Speaker 1: and try to enjoy the rest of your weekend there
Speaker 1: and stay safe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just check out the videos I made and or
Speaker 6: that I put up and I'm on my YouTube page,
Speaker 6: and try to spread them around if you feel so inclined.
Speaker 6: Just because I really think the unlawfulness of of the
Speaker 6: way that the city behaved in this particular case in
Speaker 6: preventing a lawful assembly from assembling that didn't do anybody
Speaker 6: any favors, and that didn't didn't help with what happened
Speaker 6: after that, I would I would hold them at least
Speaker 6: partially responsible for any violence and carnage that took place
Speaker 6: into the aftermath of what they did.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Andy, I totally agree. They clearly were more interested
Speaker 1: in a political agenda than they were public safety, and
Speaker 1: we were seeing now how that's turning out, and it's
Speaker 1: not turning out well for the public. Definitely. All right,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining.
Speaker 9: Us, Andy, Yeah, thanks for having me talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: All right, there he goes everybody, that's Andy NOWICKI calling
Speaker 1: in live from Charlottesville. Virginia at the Unite the Right
Speaker 1: rally where we have just got breaking news that a
Speaker 1: car has plowed into protesters at that rally. Some very
Speaker 1: serious injuries it looks like, and one fatality is being
Speaker 1: reported as well. Let's folks alow, what do you think?
Speaker 1: Shall we go to RT see what's on the live
Speaker 1: update there?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Good, I think it'd be good to cut into some
Speaker 14: RT live feed for a little bit and to hang
Speaker 14: back and then maybe to break down some more of
Speaker 14: today and chat a bit about what's being gone on
Speaker 14: with Red Ice, because they took a very heavy hit
Speaker 14: and there could be a huge docks on the way
Speaker 14: for those guys as well, so it's looking pretty serious
Speaker 14: for them.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, definitely a crazy day in the news here.
Speaker 1: So we're going to go to the RT live feed
Speaker 1: and we'll be back with you shortly here after we
Speaker 1: get some more information out of r.
Speaker 15: T the extent of the violence that has happened in
Speaker 15: Charlotte'sville today. Right now, it seems that America is anything
Speaker 15: but united.
Speaker 8: Unfortunately.
Speaker 15: We've seen a number of examples of violent protests happening.
Speaker 15: We've seen plays depicting the death of our president we've
Speaker 15: seen a while back when you will remember a comedian
Speaker 15: Kathy Griffin, she did a photoshoot showing herself holding a bloodied,
Speaker 15: severed head that resembled the president. Many people slammed her,
Speaker 15: saying that it was provoking violence on that side. And
Speaker 15: even protests that have happened at universities across the country
Speaker 15: have seen a lot of violence break out between essentially
Speaker 15: the left and the right sides of political parties. People
Speaker 15: often coming to blows or using pepper spray, a lot
Speaker 15: of it. A lot of times it's just unsolicited violence.
Speaker 15: And today we've seen another extreme example. Again, we've seen
Speaker 15: these cars. It seems like there were three cars that
Speaker 15: flowed into the protesters. One person has died and many
Speaker 15: more are injured. And we're going to keep checking in
Speaker 15: to see what has happened.
Speaker 4: Okay, and the United States President Donald Trump has just
Speaker 4: a few months ago made comment on that incident.
Speaker 5: Let's hear what he had to say.
Speaker 16: We're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Speaker 16: We condemn in the strongest possible terms, this egregious display
Speaker 16: of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides on many sides.
Speaker 16: It's been going on for a long time in our country.
Speaker 16: Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going
Speaker 16: on for a long long time. It is no place
Speaker 16: in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration
Speaker 16: of law and order and the protection of innocent lives.
Speaker 16: No citizens should ever fear for the safety and security
Speaker 16: in our society, and no child should ever be afraid
Speaker 16: to go outside and play or be with their parents.
Speaker 8: And have a good time.
Speaker 16: I just got off the phone with the Governor of Virginia,
Speaker 16: Terry mccauoff, and we agreed that the hate and the
Speaker 16: division must stop, and must stop right now. We have
Speaker 16: to come together as Americans with love for our nation
Speaker 16: and true effect really, and I say this so.
Speaker 8: Strongly, true affection.
Speaker 1: For each other.
Speaker 16: Our country is doing very well in so many ways.
Speaker 16: We have record, just absolute record employment. We have unemployment
Speaker 16: the lowest that's been in almost seventeen years. We have
Speaker 16: companies pouring into our country, Fox con and car companies
Speaker 16: and so many others. They're coming back to our country
Speaker 16: renegotiating trade deals to make them great for our country
Speaker 16: and great for the American worker. We have so many
Speaker 16: incredible things happening in our country. So when I watch Charlottesville,
Speaker 16: to me, it's very, very sad. I want to salute
Speaker 16: the great work of the state and local police in Virginia.
Speaker 16: Credible people, law enforcement, credible people, and also the National Guard.
Speaker 16: They've really been working smart and working hard. They've been
Speaker 16: doing a terrific job. Federal authorities are also providing tremendous
Speaker 16: support to the governor. He thanked me for that, and
Speaker 16: we are here to provide whatever other assistance is needed.
Speaker 16: We are ready, willing enable. Above all else, we must
Speaker 16: remember this truth. No matter our color, creed, religion, or
Speaker 16: political party, we are all Americans.
Speaker 5: First.
Speaker 16: We love our country, we love our God, we love
Speaker 16: our flag. We're proud of our country. We're proud of
Speaker 16: who we are. So we want to get this situation
Speaker 16: straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it,
Speaker 16: and we want to see what we're doing wrong as
Speaker 16: a country where things like this can happen. My administration
Speaker 16: is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between.
Speaker 8: This nation and it's citizens.
Speaker 16: But our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust
Speaker 16: and loyalty between one another. We must love each other,
Speaker 16: respect each other, and cherish our history and our future together.
Speaker 12: So important. We have to respect each other.
Speaker 5: Ideally, we have to love each other.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, responding that today's fatal events in Charlottesville, Now,
Speaker 4: the fatal incident followed what had already been violent scenes there,
Speaker 4: with crowds having gathered for a right wing march in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Speaker 4: These are the latest pictures we had of those earlier protests.
Speaker 17: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So it looks like a truck, dark colored truck smashed
Speaker 1: into two cars in front of it. They hit a
Speaker 1: bunch of car people, and then the truck backed up
Speaker 1: really quickly, and it looks like it hit a bunch
Speaker 1: of people while it was going in reverse.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually doing like a four year rold of the air.
Speaker 2: This view of discretion advice there.
Speaker 12: It was completely touted up.
Speaker 1: Definitely. You never see I didn't see who got out
Speaker 1: of the truck though, there's no I haven't seen any
Speaker 1: footage that I.
Speaker 2: Saw a picture on the ground.
Speaker 14: He was in a like a white a white a
Speaker 14: white vest, white white guy.
Speaker 12: Dark haired.
Speaker 14: He was sitting on the ground. Cuffs They haven't in custody.
Speaker 14: That's been Twitter got picture.
Speaker 1: And plate on this truck were Ohio plates.
Speaker 2: My apologies eleven.
Speaker 4: Indeed, of that fatal incident where a vehicle random as you.
Speaker 5: Saw there from the video into.
Speaker 4: The pretty at least one person has been killed and
Speaker 4: a numbers and there injured in a horrific event. And
Speaker 4: I believe we can hear now from it eyewitnessings at
Speaker 4: the scene.
Speaker 3: Girl Torah, it's pretty all things like logical, like you know,
Speaker 3: one month month, this one equals four forest the number
Speaker 3: of death in Japan.
Speaker 2: Ship territic yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the car as we heard their suggestion being
Speaker 4: that it then reversed over people and reports to this
Speaker 4: guy people went in pursuit of that said vehicle. Now,
Speaker 4: the violence had already erupted on the day, with crowds
Speaker 4: gathering for a right wing march there in Charlottesville.
Speaker 5: These are the pictures from earlier on in the day
Speaker 5: of Some.
Speaker 2: Of those five pictures were the last pictures from the stream.
Speaker 14: The kind of reminded me of like multiple circle pits
Speaker 14: that the fucking medal gig did, yeah, but minus the
Speaker 14: weapons of.
Speaker 12: Course, you know.
Speaker 1: The hatred.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, and the crowd serve.
Speaker 4: Just tuning in, you're watching Artie International and our rolling
Speaker 4: coverage of this breaking news story from Charlottesville, which has
Speaker 4: now declared a state of emergency over a rally turned violent.
Speaker 4: The small city has become a ground zero for white nationalist,
Speaker 4: neo Confederate and alt right activist in the US. This
Speaker 4: includes the KKK, who are fighting to keep traces of
Speaker 4: the Confederate legacy there intact. It followed an announcement to
Speaker 4: remove a statue a too renamed to local part Charlotte's
Speaker 4: film Earlier. I spoke with Artie America is Alex Rubinstein.
Speaker 4: He was at the scene and witnessed the violence that ensued.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure how it worked physically, but the person
Speaker 7: in front, from what I hear, was able to drive
Speaker 7: away and was followed by a state trooper. That was
Speaker 7: told to me by an NBC reporter. I didn't see
Speaker 7: that personally, uh I saw, I saw.
Speaker 11: I didn't.
Speaker 7: I saw two cars that were totaled. The trunk was
Speaker 7: just completely smashed. A woman was inside crying. There was
Speaker 7: there was blood on the hood of her vehicle. There
Speaker 7: was blood all over the place. People about sixteen people injured.
Speaker 7: Saw I saw some of them flying through the air
Speaker 7: over the hood of the car, and I'm hearing actually
Speaker 7: one possible fatality. I can't confirm that, but that's that's
Speaker 7: what I've been hearing on the ground. And I also
Speaker 7: care about sixteen people injured total.
Speaker 4: Has there been any suggestion to this point as to
Speaker 4: who the victims were The people who were hit by
Speaker 4: this car. Were they right wing protesters or the counter protesters?
Speaker 7: No, No, they were counter protesters. They were more of
Speaker 7: the Antifa variety. They weren't breaking things or anything like that.
Speaker 7: They were marching through a very very small road. It's
Speaker 7: a one way and they had just a big number
Speaker 7: of people in that stretch, and the car just plowed
Speaker 7: through three cars, actually plowed through two of them. It
Speaker 7: appears to be unintentionally one of them in it. It
Speaker 7: appears to be very intentional.
Speaker 4: I mean, this sounds like an horrific scene. Lots of
Speaker 4: people injured by this sound. What have the authorities done
Speaker 4: about this? I would imagined they would look the place
Speaker 4: down after something like this.
Speaker 7: Well, it's not completely locked down. I mean, streets have
Speaker 7: been shut off on and off all day in Charlottesville.
Speaker 7: They were originally fire trucks came down and even a
Speaker 7: bear cat. The bear cat was the first vehicle to
Speaker 7: respond after reports had started.
Speaker 1: That interesting, they've got a bearcat right there to respond.
Speaker 7: Later on, some ambulances were able to show off after
Speaker 7: about like seven to ten minutes or so. I hear
Speaker 7: Donald Trump is going to give a speech later tonight
Speaker 7: say something about this.
Speaker 5: But it seems as though.
Speaker 7: Charlottesville is not completely shut down, although there is a
Speaker 7: state of emergency.
Speaker 4: And what's the mood there of those counter protests you said,
Speaker 4: it's some of them who've been injured here. How have
Speaker 4: they responded to what seems to have been an assault
Speaker 4: on some of that numbers.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's just it's just very somber here. A lot
Speaker 7: of people crying, a lot of people have friends that
Speaker 7: were that were hit by that car, and just just
Speaker 7: all around sadness. You know. You know, typically at a protest,
Speaker 7: if if the police will ask you to get on
Speaker 7: the sidewalk, protesters will say no. I mean, everyone was compliant.
Speaker 7: Everyone was just trying to do the best thing that
Speaker 7: they could do at that time for the for the
Speaker 7: injured people, it seems.
Speaker 4: And how would you describe the scene there today? We've
Speaker 4: heard of previous incidents as well. Just how violent has
Speaker 4: this protest been sure.
Speaker 7: I mean there was a good number of chemicals being sprayed.
Speaker 7: There was pepper spray.
Speaker 9: There.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I apologize my cameraman.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 7: There there was a large number of pepper spray being
Speaker 7: shot from both sides at each other. I saw people
Speaker 7: hitting each other with poles. I saw a lot of
Speaker 7: people with just blood, a lot of blood running down
Speaker 7: their face, giant welts. It was very it was very dramatic,
Speaker 7: very scary at times. But I will say that the
Speaker 7: police did not did not use heavy handed tactics today.
Speaker 4: And how would you describe the scene now? Does this
Speaker 4: look like things are going to calm down?
Speaker 1: Perhaps people might disagree with that comment.
Speaker 7: It seems it seems that for the day in Charlottesville,
Speaker 7: it's over. Everybody has spread out across multiple that we're
Speaker 7: following multiple law sites throughout the downtown area. Ah, but
Speaker 7: it seems that for the day, everything everybody's tired, everyone's
Speaker 7: everyone's grieving.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's cross over to Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: Now can speak to our correspondent that Jacqueline Vugers. I understand, Jacqueline.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's been reacting to this, what's been said.
Speaker 15: Yes, he has He said that the obviously everyone here
Speaker 15: is closely following the incident that happened in Charlottesville and
Speaker 15: condemns bigotry on all fronts. He also called for unity
Speaker 15: in America and said that the hate and division here
Speaker 15: must stop. Let's take a quick listen to what his
Speaker 15: remarks were.
Speaker 1: Okay, folks, we'll coming back a little bit here. Now,
Speaker 1: what's with the condemning bigotry already? I mean, we don't
Speaker 1: know that that has anything to do with this.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean from just just try to engauge what
Speaker 14: is what was currently going on is uh is a
Speaker 14: task in itself. Uh, there's definitely a sense of discompopulation
Speaker 14: and just file arounds, just just blame anybody and everybody
Speaker 14: that seems to be the uh, the current theme from
Speaker 14: Antifa from these progressive leftists. Where As I said earlier
Speaker 14: on that is bright Bart's fault, It's Steve Balon's fault.
Speaker 2: It's Trump's fault.
Speaker 14: That we are marking a new stage now in the
Speaker 14: so called punch Nazis in the face. You know, everybody
Speaker 14: against the right, everybody who, as I said earlier, has
Speaker 14: has a conservative bone in the body, Well, that's the
Speaker 14: right we need to smash and punch these Nazis.
Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about this before, Hershew.
Speaker 14: We've seen numerous examples of Antifa thugs in action, provoking
Speaker 14: people from the conservative right and not talking about a
Speaker 14: right or of to light or extreme hard or whatever
Speaker 14: other word you want to put on that who come armed,
Speaker 14: ready for action with their fists to cause a riot,
Speaker 14: and that is part and parcel of what we've seen
Speaker 14: to them. You know, there is there is no smoke
Speaker 14: without fire. I'm not you know, a portioning innocence on
Speaker 14: any side here.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 14: It was a complete melee, a complete mess, a complete melae,
Speaker 14: and one could only hope that, yeah, there's that there
Speaker 14: is a lot of lessons learned from this, especially in
Speaker 14: the wake of of multiple injured up to nine injured,
Speaker 14: including one fatality as well.
Speaker 2: So it's it's a mess of with day man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it really is. And uh, this this isn't
Speaker 1: gonna go away. You know. It sounds like the streets
Speaker 1: have cleared out a little bit, people have, you know,
Speaker 1: the rallies broken up. But I don't think that this
Speaker 1: is gonna do anything to improve the divide the issues
Speaker 1: here between the left and all factions of the right
Speaker 1: at this point. And and that's the unfortunate thing, is
Speaker 1: the all those shades of gray, you know, right of center,
Speaker 1: left of center, you know, people that don't want to
Speaker 1: identify with, you know, believing in and belonging to the
Speaker 1: extreme of the right or the left. You know that
Speaker 1: that island of common sense, you know, on either side
Speaker 1: of center are going to slowly continue to disappear here,
Speaker 1: maybe quickly after something like this. So, yeah, this, this
Speaker 1: is definitely not good. This is not a good situation here.
Speaker 1: Do we have any There's.
Speaker 14: Going to be only one side hasher. There's only going
Speaker 14: to be one side from now on, and it's the left.
Speaker 2: And that's that.
Speaker 14: And you know, this is what we've been seeing with
Speaker 14: you know, everything in the wake of the James de
Speaker 14: Moor depicle from from Google, from the Google a Google
Speaker 14: manifesto that we were chatting about on the Border room
Speaker 14: as well. We have this this hive mind cut like
Speaker 14: mentality of is either the left mofos or get out
Speaker 14: of our companies, get out of these places. If you
Speaker 14: even have a hint of you know, liking Trump or
Speaker 14: anything like that, it's like, you know, we're going to
Speaker 14: wreck your lives, We're going to wreck your jobs. So
Speaker 14: the question remains for the the audience that ask them
Speaker 14: to ask themselves, well, who are the real domestic terrorists
Speaker 14: in this case? From what I've been viewing for for many,
Speaker 14: many many months now in the run up to to
Speaker 14: Trump getting elective, with what we've we've chatted about on
Speaker 14: numerous shows, including The Border Room, is that the vast
Speaker 14: majority of violence has not been coming from the right
Speaker 14: or has been coming from the hard or extreme right.
Speaker 14: It has been coming from these move on Saurus George
Speaker 14: Soros funded thugs. And we had a little bit of
Speaker 14: a chat on the back line as the as Artie
Speaker 14: were rolling their footage with the audio for our listeners there,
Speaker 14: and you know, we discussed about this guy, this guy
Speaker 14: from Ohio, so he he drove six hours to come
Speaker 14: to this protest and then like on queue, decides to
Speaker 14: you know, use this vehicle as as a battering ram
Speaker 14: to run over people and then like reverse. You know,
Speaker 14: there's the numerous things we could talk about that in
Speaker 14: a South hashire, you know, was it you know, what
Speaker 14: was it was that planted?
Speaker 2: What was that stage?
Speaker 14: Was that guy you know funded so there's there's gonna
Speaker 14: be a lot of questions in the wake of this,
Speaker 14: and in the wake of the of the fatality of
Speaker 14: you know, who.
Speaker 2: Was this guy from from from Ohio? Was he was
Speaker 2: he a lone wealth? Was he was he funded in
Speaker 2: any way?
Speaker 9: You know?
Speaker 2: Coming six hours? It it just it leaves one to.
Speaker 1: Think, yeah, and he has been caught, right, So it
Speaker 1: looks like he's been caught. So now the questions are,
Speaker 1: who is this person who owns the car?
Speaker 14: Uh?
Speaker 1: Is this person from Ohio? And did he drive six
Speaker 1: hours six plus hours to get there and do that? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's always more questions than answers at
Speaker 1: this point, and unfortunately it's going to be over to
Speaker 1: you know, the FBI and the mainstream media to try
Speaker 1: to tell us what happened there, And of course that
Speaker 1: all goes through you know, a number of questionable filters
Speaker 1: by the time it reaches our ears. So this is
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know what's going to happen here,
Speaker 1: but you know, I I maintain that this is a
Speaker 1: time when we should not be thinking about right versus left.
Speaker 1: The only legitimate political standpoint to have here is not
Speaker 1: one of anti left or anti right. It needs to
Speaker 1: be one of anti deep state because most likely that
Speaker 1: is where this is coming from. You know, that's that's
Speaker 1: where I'm going to put my educated guess, you know,
Speaker 1: giving the limited amount of information that we have right now.
Speaker 14: Yeah, this is a distraction from the North Korea issue
Speaker 14: as well. I mean, you know, you've spoke about deep
Speaker 14: state Hesitian. You know, we've been hearing President Donald Trump
Speaker 14: echoing words of the of the military, echoing words even
Speaker 14: further than that of the of the deep state, these
Speaker 14: buzzwords in his sin, tax, fire, and fury. You know,
Speaker 14: when I hear these things by Trump, I'm like, this
Speaker 14: is this, this is this is not trumps syntax, this,
Speaker 14: this is not him. This this stuff has been fed
Speaker 14: to the guy to to put to.
Speaker 2: Put out on the media.
Speaker 14: And you're right, Harsher, it is it's to get it's
Speaker 14: it's not an example of you know, anti this, anti this,
Speaker 14: or you know, pro left, pro right, et cetera, et cetera,
Speaker 14: yad YadA, yadda. It's a case of let's you know,
Speaker 14: engage with a gray matter, get our magnifying glasses, and
Speaker 14: let's start unraveling this. And you know, looking over the
Speaker 14: detail as well, So he made some very good points there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll see. I mean, uh man, I wish
Speaker 1: there was more information we could go on at this point,
Speaker 1: but it looks like we're going to have to wait
Speaker 1: it out and see if any jay wants to join
Speaker 1: us here hold on, go ahead, though.
Speaker 2: Should think.
Speaker 14: According to reports, the demonstration was organized by god called
Speaker 14: Jason Kessler.
Speaker 2: He's a former Daily Caller.
Speaker 14: Writer and act and this was all set up this
Speaker 14: Unite the Right hashtag Unite the Right to protest against
Speaker 14: the removal of the statue of Confederate General Robert E.
Speaker 14: Lee from Emuancipation Park. The park used to be named
Speaker 14: Lee Park after the Confederate general, but Charlottesville City Council
Speaker 14: voted to change its name in June. So yesterday we
Speaker 14: had this. I'm not sure if you saw all this
Speaker 14: cracking down and social media, Hasure or whoever's listening to
Speaker 14: this live or on the podcast, but there was this
Speaker 14: tiki torch march that was going on in Charlottesville, and
Speaker 14: at one point it seemed to surround the counter protesters
Speaker 14: the counter demonstrators, and so there was a there was
Speaker 14: a lot of triggering going on regarding that, and then
Speaker 14: today we had the actual, the official Unite the Right event,
Speaker 14: So we have had a type of like a prelude
Speaker 14: or a prologue to what, you know, what was happening today,
Speaker 14: some sort of like a natural build up. I mean
Speaker 14: there was a lot of high tension in Charlottesville, you know,
Speaker 14: less than twenty four hours prior to this event.
Speaker 9: Today.
Speaker 1: Just got word that Patrick Henningson's going to be live
Speaker 1: on the RT feed in about fifteen minutes or so,
Speaker 1: so I would like to keep this broadcast going. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to switch back over to the RT feed
Speaker 1: while I get a couple of things situated over here.
Speaker 1: So if you want to hang back, please YEP show thinks,
Speaker 1: don't go anywhere. You're listening to the boiler Room on
Speaker 1: Alternate Current Radio. I'm your host, Hesher. I'm joined by
Speaker 1: Funk Soul from the UK, and we had Andy Nowiki
Speaker 1: joining us earlier. If you're just tuning in and you
Speaker 1: missed that, it'll be up on recording as soon as
Speaker 1: we shut down, and we'll make a show page for
Speaker 1: it so that you can share it around and find it,
Speaker 1: and you can also go check out Andy Nowicki's YouTube page.
Speaker 1: I'll be linking that on the show page for today
Speaker 1: so that people can go see some of the footage
Speaker 1: the Andy recorded down there. He experienced tear gas, he
Speaker 1: experienced being told to leave, So it's some good footage
Speaker 1: out there on mister Nowiki's YouTube page. Okay, we're going
Speaker 1: to go back to simulcasting RTI International here. Well, well,
Speaker 1: we gather ourselves and look for some more data.
Speaker 4: Charlottesville has now declared a state of emergency over the rally.
Speaker 4: This city has become a ground zero for white nationalists
Speaker 4: New Confederate an old tried activist in the US.
Speaker 5: It includes the KKK as.
Speaker 4: They fight to keep traces of the Confederate legacy there. Intact,
Speaker 4: it follows a plan that was announced to remove a
Speaker 4: statue and to rename to local parks. Earlier, I spoke
Speaker 4: with Artie America's Alex Rubinstein. He was at the scene
Speaker 4: and witnessed what ensued.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure how it worked physically, but then in
Speaker 7: front from what I hear, was able to drive away
Speaker 7: and what's followed by a state trooper that was told.
Speaker 1: To me by Okay, RT is kind of annoying me
Speaker 1: here a little bit with their covers. They're really leaning
Speaker 1: on RT America, which tend to, uh really have a
Speaker 1: bit of a leftist slant when it comes to their
Speaker 1: analysis of these kind of things.
Speaker 2: So I'm just a bit partisan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a little bit there, man. I mean this
Speaker 1: whole thing with like trying to conflate the alt right
Speaker 1: with the KKK. I mean, geez, when whenever you get
Speaker 1: RT America involves stuff starts to sound like CNN light,
Speaker 1: you know, geez, they talk about the alt light. We
Speaker 1: need to call RT America CNN light. Those guys clearly
Speaker 1: they just sit there and read off the Reuter's script lines.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's interesting listening to the
Speaker 14: listening to to the live feed and seeing a surprisingly
Speaker 14: enough with with RT, it's usually usually a reliable source.
Speaker 14: It's with its recorded and live footage and including its reports,
Speaker 14: it's usually a reliable and usually non partisan, you know,
Speaker 14: good source of information. So I was quite surprised to
Speaker 14: hear that as it was as it was flowing over
Speaker 14: the feed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's I assume this is why their producers
Speaker 1: getting Patrick henningson on the line here, because they know
Speaker 1: that when they're just piping in people from RT America
Speaker 1: and having guests like that previous guest that they had
Speaker 1: on there that was trying to you know, conflate the
Speaker 1: the alt right with the KKK and white supremacy and
Speaker 1: all this. You know, these blanket statements that don't actually
Speaker 1: describe what's going on, don't actually describe the nuances of
Speaker 1: the people that are right of center, you know. So
Speaker 1: hopefully when Patrick comes on, we'll get a little bit
Speaker 1: more of a balanced analysis here.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean from from my ops if they you know,
Speaker 14: with yesterday's proceedings and in and latching onto what's been
Speaker 14: going you know on today. You know, I was coming
Speaker 14: back from like the north of the UK, you know,
Speaker 14: back into London and this was all kind of hitting.
Speaker 14: So I just had Twitter to rely on for the
Speaker 14: you know, for the live feeds and updates and you know,
Speaker 14: bullet points and whatnot. But and and please, you know,
Speaker 14: excuse my netness. And this this also goes for the audience.
Speaker 14: But you know, regarding the situation itself, it seems that
Speaker 14: the that you know, the the side of the the right,
Speaker 14: these so called rightists, you know, it seems like there's
Speaker 14: there's many splinter factions involved. So we've got all right,
Speaker 14: we've got all light, we've got you know, center right,
Speaker 14: we've got you know, hardline nationalists, we've got you know,
Speaker 14: you know, we got more extreme factions as well. So,
Speaker 14: as I said earlier on, it's it's quite a it's
Speaker 14: quite a melee of fractals that's involved in this situation,
Speaker 14: more so on the on the right hands side, but
Speaker 14: it's it's all being lumped together as you know, for say,
Speaker 14: for example, Nazi scum and white nationalists. And I just
Speaker 14: picked up from from from Twitter earlier on, you know,
Speaker 14: Van Jones is saying like there's a lot of pressure
Speaker 14: on the president to just call out every single one
Speaker 14: of these people for who they are as you know,
Speaker 14: as as as white nationalists and.
Speaker 2: As as racist.
Speaker 14: So as as usual, the media has no problem with
Speaker 14: with with libel and with with with with defamations.
Speaker 2: So I would say after this, if, if, and when
Speaker 2: it does actually settle down, there's there's going to be
Speaker 2: quite a few, quite a few lawsuits on the go
Speaker 2: after this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, how's it feel? Patriots? You know, are
Speaker 1: you constitutionalists, all you patriots out there, you're now uh
Speaker 1: summarily part of the alt right, and thereby you are
Speaker 1: summarily uh kk k, you are Nazis, you are racists,
Speaker 1: you are bigots, you are misogynists. That's what you get
Speaker 1: for giving a crap about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights,
Speaker 1: protecting your children from the degeneracy of the media and
Speaker 1: the extreme left. That's what you get. This is what
Speaker 1: we all get. We all get to be part of
Speaker 1: one group. Now, we all get to be racist, we
Speaker 1: all get to be bigots, we all get to be
Speaker 1: white supremacists, and kkk because we are not leftists. I
Speaker 1: don't know, bet you hesha, but hold on, what's that
Speaker 1: coming away the accelerator.
Speaker 12: At that point, anything is possible, so all sort of
Speaker 12: rational actions sort of go out the window at that point.
Speaker 8: That's very well. What could have happened.
Speaker 12: If it was someone ramming protesters intentionally, then that's something
Speaker 12: that will be discovered through this investigation afterwards. Whatever the
Speaker 12: case is, it's absolutely a horrible situation. But I wouldn't
Speaker 12: want to speculate on the motives of the driver yet.
Speaker 8: I think that's probably premature. It should be anyway.
Speaker 12: But if you look on Twitter right now, everyone is
Speaker 12: blaming Steve Bennon and Donald Trump for the death and
Speaker 12: injuries that have taken place.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a very good point, Patrick, and it's something
Speaker 4: I've been trying to adhere to throughout our coverage of this.
Speaker 4: I got into a sort of a heated debate with
Speaker 4: a journalist earlier who suggested that we weren't attributing any blame.
Speaker 4: But as you said, although they may be unlikely, there
Speaker 4: are possibilities where this may have been an accident. It's
Speaker 4: not impossible until we know what the mindset of the
Speaker 4: driver was.
Speaker 5: It's hard to say.
Speaker 4: But that said, everybody on the internet is already making
Speaker 4: their mind about this. People are very emotional about what
Speaker 4: has happened today. Are you surprised that we have seen
Speaker 4: such violence?
Speaker 5: We knew that there was going to be a protest,
Speaker 5: We knew there was going to be.
Speaker 4: A counter protest. The authorities knew all about this. They
Speaker 4: had National God there. They were trying to actually disperse
Speaker 4: the people. But he's surprised by the violence that we
Speaker 4: saw even beforehand.
Speaker 12: I'm not surprised, actually, And one thing I'm going to
Speaker 12: say this is not my opinion.
Speaker 8: This is just a matter of fact.
Speaker 12: If you look at the protests in Sacramento, in Berkeley,
Speaker 12: and at college campuses around the country, especially during the
Speaker 12: Milo Jananopolis speaking tour. What you find is this group
Speaker 12: Antifa showing up very well organized and then showing up
Speaker 12: and really inciting violence, and a lot of times oddly
Speaker 12: police just stand back and allow them to throw punches
Speaker 12: and beat people and kick people on the ground. There's
Speaker 12: lots of video of this up on social media, and
Speaker 12: it seems like this wing of the protest, this Antifa group,
Speaker 12: seems to very much play to the media and play
Speaker 12: to the cameras, and so.
Speaker 8: Group you hardly hear about them.
Speaker 12: They seem to have no political shape and they only
Speaker 12: appear as a counter protest.
Speaker 8: Group inciting violence.
Speaker 12: If you think about it, there would have if Antifa
Speaker 12: wasn't there and so aggressive. It's doubtful that anything you know,
Speaker 12: would have would have taken place at this But yet
Speaker 12: you know they do have a right to be there
Speaker 12: as well. But what I find is if you look
Speaker 12: at their record, extremely aggressive, extremely violent, advocating publicly calling
Speaker 12: for violence against anybody that they label or brand a
Speaker 12: Nazi or a fascist, and even the term anti fascist.
Speaker 12: It's kind of a disingenuous construct because they don't seem
Speaker 12: to want to define what fascism is and they seem
Speaker 12: to be sticking this label solely on Trump. This tells
Speaker 12: me that this is a kind of a politicized construct,
Speaker 12: and you could say on what basis, you know, are
Speaker 12: they operating on. Is it just purely agitation or do
Speaker 12: they actually have some sort of genuine political argument to make.
Speaker 12: And if you look at the term fascism in terms
Speaker 12: of corporatism, this is something that flourished under eight years
Speaker 12: of Barack Obama and George Bush before him, and Bill
Speaker 12: Clinton before that. So in terms of the Clinton, Bush
Speaker 12: Obama continuum, you can make an argument that fascism in
Speaker 12: America is definitely a bipartisan on all wings, establishment driven
Speaker 12: trend in US society and public and corporate life.
Speaker 4: So we have on one side a group of white
Speaker 4: nationalists known to use violence. On the other that we
Speaker 4: have the anti rights demonstrators who, according to Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: as he said earlier, there is blave on all sides.
Speaker 4: He's not saying that they didn't play any role in
Speaker 4: any violence at any such demonstrations. And then, as we've
Speaker 4: heard from other guests as well as yourself. The suggestion
Speaker 4: that the local police have been backwards in coming forwards,
Speaker 4: that perhaps they've been sympathetic and have stood back. Surely
Speaker 4: the high level authority should have foreseen that this is
Speaker 4: a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 12: Well, normally the way police normally work in the United
Speaker 12: States is now unfortunately, we have to apply for permits
Speaker 12: to do protests. So the group that applied for the
Speaker 12: permit was Unite the Right. That was the right wing group,
Speaker 12: and they actually backed by the American Civil Liberties Union
Speaker 12: surprisingly in this protest, and so they had their permit
Speaker 12: from the police. Police also knew the Antifa agitation counter
Speaker 12: protests was coming, and normally in America, the police are
Speaker 12: then responsible for protecting they gather them and then protecting
Speaker 12: them from the counter protests. That's normally how it works.
Speaker 12: And so for some reason that doesn't seem to have happened.
Speaker 12: Maybe it was just they were overwhelmed by the sheer
Speaker 12: numbers of these sort of the Antifa protests that were
Speaker 12: busted in from out of town, and I think the
Speaker 12: majority of these people are from probably quite far away
Speaker 12: adventure to guess. Certainly that was the case in California
Speaker 12: and other places where you see.
Speaker 8: Them popping up.
Speaker 12: The right rent wing demonstration probably had people from out
Speaker 12: of town as well, no doubt. Even the one of
Speaker 12: the drivers implicated in this auto automotive accident is allegedly
Speaker 12: we're hearing from Ohio, from out of town, six hours
Speaker 12: drive away from Charlottesville, Virginia. But it is incumbent on
Speaker 12: the police to give protection to a lawful protest. And
Speaker 12: you know, if you have people coming across state lines
Speaker 12: in an organized way and really to just cause violence,
Speaker 12: certainly that's the police, aren't They're not responsible for that,
Speaker 12: and quite frankly, it would have no problem difficult to
Speaker 12: control that. So you know, whether that should have canceled
Speaker 12: the demonstration full stop. That's certainly an option by the
Speaker 12: police that's been done before. Demonstration's canceled ahead of time,
Speaker 12: and that diffuses any potential confrontations that didn't happen, unfortunately,
Speaker 12: and what you have was an outbreak of violence. And
Speaker 12: it's sad because I think there are elements on the
Speaker 12: sort of extreme right that are definitely benefiting from a
Speaker 12: visibility and publicity standpoint, from a polarized atmosphere like this,
Speaker 12: and absolutely on the far left they're feeding off that too,
Speaker 12: and so there's a kind of an odd symbiosis between
Speaker 12: the extreme right and this antifa, which is the extreme
Speaker 12: left and so who are publicly calling for violence in
Speaker 12: a kind of disturbing way labeling people, and this term
Speaker 12: alt right is completely meaningless now, and so it's been
Speaker 12: completely convoluted through really a hysterical discourse from the Democrat
Speaker 12: Party and basically anybody who seems to be against Donald Trump,
Speaker 12: and so they've men to buying this term all right
Speaker 12: with Nazi, with fascists, and of course that becomes the
Speaker 12: battle cry for violence against people who then get labeled
Speaker 12: by that. That to me is extremely dangerous. And we
Speaker 12: can see, yes, people were injured and heard the protests
Speaker 12: and things like that openly just beating up people on
Speaker 12: the stream. The police are standing by kind of watching
Speaker 12: it in some cases, so really disturbing.
Speaker 5: Patrick.
Speaker 4: People tuning into our channel this evening watching these scenes
Speaker 4: globally from all around the world who maybe don't know
Speaker 4: too much about life in America will see these horrific scenes.
Speaker 4: They'll have heard repeatedly about this huge political divide in America.
Speaker 4: What we've been seeing today at this protest, this violence,
Speaker 4: is this the extreme fringes of the political sphere clashing.
Speaker 4: Is this basically an extreme minority causing problems or is
Speaker 4: this in any way indicative of that divide the country.
Speaker 12: No, this is absolutely an extreme minority event. As you
Speaker 12: put it, If you go throughout the United States, you
Speaker 12: travel off fifty states, and I've traveled a lot through
Speaker 12: the country, especially over the last couple of years, and
Speaker 12: you don't see this.
Speaker 8: This is not what's happening.
Speaker 12: What's happening in America, and I think, much to the
Speaker 12: dismay and possible chagrin of those people who are just
Speaker 12: hell bent on unseating the current president, democratically elected president,
Speaker 12: I might add, is that people are getting back to work,
Speaker 12: they're trying to get on with their lives. But you
Speaker 12: do have a radical minority that seems to be completely
Speaker 12: determined in what they call what their code word is
Speaker 12: on the left in America's relentless resistance. That's the sort
Speaker 12: of code word that's come out of this sort of
Speaker 12: Hillary Clinton camp very early on, and you see that
Speaker 12: basically embodied in all these sort of basically anything to oppose,
Speaker 12: anything to resist, and also this includes Russia Gate. So
Speaker 12: this is unfortunately, this is reflected in US foreign policy.
Speaker 12: So you have the total dysfunctionality of US domestic politics,
Speaker 12: where there's really the fringe in the extreme pushing people
Speaker 12: like Adam Schiff and Democrats and Republicans too, pushing this
Speaker 12: kind of Russia hysteria. This then manifests itself on the
Speaker 12: foreign policy scene very dangerous.
Speaker 8: So can domestic.
Speaker 12: Politics in America shape its foreign policy, make it more reactionary.
Speaker 12: Cause presidents cause administrations to be more warhawk ish in
Speaker 12: order to say, take the attention off of any domestic
Speaker 12: issues or to get a bump in the polls.
Speaker 8: This has happened in US history before.
Speaker 12: And so we're looking at a situation with North Korea,
Speaker 12: and that's perfectly a perfect storm gathering right now for
Speaker 12: that sort of convenient distraction to take. White House is
Speaker 12: so desperate to sort of get a win, as it were,
Speaker 12: that they might be pushed in that direction by the
Speaker 12: political operatives that are around the president and his team
Speaker 12: at the moment. So these are all the things that
Speaker 12: I'm worried about, and that many other sort of I
Speaker 12: think sober analysts are worried about. When you look at
Speaker 12: the situation of what's broken out today, but it is
Speaker 12: absolutely a fringe phenomenon here. This is not what's going
Speaker 12: on around the country. And so it's sad that this
Speaker 12: will be sort of the main topic of discussion for
Speaker 12: the next few days. But I guarantee you, and this
Speaker 12: is the way the news cycle is, in the sort
Speaker 12: of the hyper twenty four to seven extant news cycle
Speaker 12: in America, this will become yesterday's news. By this time
Speaker 12: next week, no one will have heard about it. There'll
Speaker 12: be something else that will dominate CNN's news feed, or
Speaker 12: Fox and NBC and so forth.
Speaker 5: You talked about Donald Trump, we have seen.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's felcome held to offer some kind of
Speaker 4: reference to today's events with this fatality. He called it
Speaker 4: an example of hatred and bigotry, and he made a
Speaker 4: point of saying that this is hatred and division that
Speaker 4: had been around for a long time prior to him,
Speaker 4: prior to Barack Obama. But the far left have and
Speaker 4: will continue to link him to such events. They say
Speaker 4: that these far right extremists are his supporters, they're Trumps guys.
Speaker 4: Is the president right to try and distance himself from this?
Speaker 4: What else can you do?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 12: I think you can't blame anybody for anyone that supports them.
Speaker 8: You saw this.
Speaker 12: So when David Duke came out during the sort of
Speaker 12: primary I think was during the primary stage or maybe
Speaker 12: during the general and said that he was backing Donald Trump,
Speaker 12: and then he was then Trump was hijacked during an
Speaker 12: interview with Jake Tapper on CNN, who put the words
Speaker 12: KKK into his mouth and said, well, you know, are
Speaker 12: you going to avowed David? Do you have no control
Speaker 12: over who backs you if you're in politics. So this
Speaker 12: is a really sort of, you know, weak argument that
Speaker 12: left Democrats we're using throughout the election cycle, you know,
Speaker 12: and you have people basically saying that the alt right
Speaker 12: is the KKK is like the modern expression of the KKK.
Speaker 12: That is a completely disingenuous statement, but you hear this
Speaker 12: is part of the hysterical rhetoric that's going on. This
Speaker 12: type of hysterical rhetoric does not help the situation at all.
Speaker 12: What it does is it drives to further polarize. You know,
Speaker 12: it's a kind of a dumbed down analysis, and quite frankly,
Speaker 12: I'm going to say, in times like this, they're not
Speaker 12: thinking straight, because if they're thinking straight, they wouldn't make
Speaker 12: a statement like that. When you study this phenomenon of
Speaker 12: the alt right has many different iterations and it's got
Speaker 12: quite a diverse big tent under there, everything from conservatives, Republicans,
Speaker 12: paleo servatives, moderate people, ex Obama supporters. I mean, there's
Speaker 12: lots of people that might affiliate themselves with the so
Speaker 12: called alt right who are on Reddit.
Speaker 8: For instance, So there's the whole throng of people there.
Speaker 8: It's completely diverse.
Speaker 12: The label, like I said before, means nothing anymore because
Speaker 12: it's completely convoluted by now.
Speaker 8: But yet this is still used as a kind of.
Speaker 12: A rallying cry by the counter protesters. And it's sad
Speaker 12: and that the whole game of labeling in America.
Speaker 8: Seems to be an almost national.
Speaker 12: Pastime now and rather than having a real discourse or
Speaker 12: debate we're talking about issues and talking through and analyzing
Speaker 12: issues and history. Instead people are just labeling each other
Speaker 12: and then, you know, whatever they said, you know, I'm
Speaker 12: just going to oppose you for the sake of opposing you,
Speaker 12: and there I've stuck my label on you. We're seeing
Speaker 12: so much of this in mainstream politics in America, and
Speaker 12: it's definitely not a good sign because we're not going
Speaker 12: to be able to have that national debate or national
Speaker 12: conversation that's meaningful. It's just going to be a sort
Speaker 12: of slagging match, which is kind of what we had
Speaker 12: a lot of. What we had a lot of really
Speaker 12: for the last sort of twelve months.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been as we've been speaking to Patrick, we've
Speaker 4: been showing pictures of the incident, the car plowing through
Speaker 4: the counterprotesters. It's one of those stories where it's very
Speaker 4: easy and people will very quickly get very emotive about it,
Speaker 4: but we try to speak to a variety of guests
Speaker 4: to get context, and I believe you've given us certainly
Speaker 4: a lot of that there. Patrick Henningson, many thanks, Executive
Speaker 4: director of twenty first Century wire dot Com.
Speaker 5: Okay, let's bring you live pictures.
Speaker 14: Now.
Speaker 5: This is the scene now.
Speaker 4: You saw the pictures early earlier of the car ramming
Speaker 4: into other vehicles, which you can see there, and this
Speaker 4: is the scene now. So the police have clearly cordoned
Speaker 4: off the area, although you will occasionally catch a glimpse
Speaker 4: of police in riot gear just coming across that cord,
Speaker 4: and there there's standing by making sure that the area
Speaker 4: is clear. And you can you can see the extent
Speaker 4: of the damage done those two vehicles.
Speaker 5: You can see there were the.
Speaker 4: Two that were apparently practically stationary from what we've seen
Speaker 4: on the video, when a vehicle which is believed to
Speaker 4: have been a Dodge pickup truck, rand into them from behind,
Speaker 4: and you can see the force with which the collision occurred.
Speaker 4: Dozens of people were caught up in that collision. At
Speaker 4: least eight people have been confirmed injured and at least
Speaker 4: one fatality. That is according to a tweet coming from
Speaker 4: the mayor of Charlotte's film. It caught everybody who was
Speaker 4: taking part in that protest by surprise. You can see
Speaker 4: from the debris there again the force of the impact.
Speaker 4: I must add at this point a lot of people
Speaker 4: assuming that this was a deliberate assault upon the counter protesters,
Speaker 4: the anti white nationalist protest. That may be the case,
Speaker 4: but we cannot say that for certain of this case.
Speaker 5: As has been explained, there.
Speaker 4: Have been incidents that have had in the past where
Speaker 4: it wasn't deliberate.
Speaker 5: As soon as we know who the culprit.
Speaker 4: In the car was, the perpetrator should say and exactly
Speaker 4: are a little bit clearer about the motivation. We will
Speaker 4: bring that to you as soon as we know. If
Speaker 4: anyone's been apprehended, we'll let you know. We do know
Speaker 4: that the state trooper, according to reports, set off in
Speaker 4: pursuit of the vehicle responsible, which then reversed back down
Speaker 4: the road, injuring further people in the protest as a result. Now,
Speaker 4: though the police have taken control. Earlier we'd seen violence
Speaker 4: break out at this white nationalist protest.
Speaker 5: The police had brought in riot police.
Speaker 4: The National Guard had actually been set out onto the
Speaker 4: streets to try and clear the protest in anticipation of
Speaker 4: things getting worse, but they weren't able to intervene in
Speaker 4: time to stop this fatal incident from occurring. Now, and
Speaker 4: I must warn you once again you may very well
Speaker 4: find these images disturbed being here is again the moment
Speaker 4: where this vehicle crashed into two other cars and into
Speaker 4: a crowd of counter protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia.
Speaker 18: Oh my god, I just ran down all of these people.
Speaker 5: Those cars just.
Speaker 18: Mowed down all of these people. Holy shock, Your cars
Speaker 18: mowed down all of these proteins.
Speaker 9: Girl on the ground.
Speaker 8: Was too much, It was too hard to.
Speaker 6: There was a girl from the brand, he got to
Speaker 6: try to get up.
Speaker 8: Intentional.
Speaker 5: It was intentional. They've backed up and they'd hit again.
Speaker 16: Intentional terrorist attack said.
Speaker 4: As I mentioned, there's still no official confirmation regarding whether
Speaker 4: this attack was or was not deliberate. The driver we're
Speaker 4: understanding now is in police custody. Early we spoke to
Speaker 4: our own up to a journalist and a political analyst.
Speaker 4: He suspects that this attack was indeed carried out on purpose.
Speaker 7: That was clearly a deliberate, deliberate terrorist attack.
Speaker 1: Okay, welcome back, everybody. You're listening to Boiler Room on
Speaker 1: Alternate Current Radio. We're having an impromptu show here today.
Speaker 1: We were joined by Andy Nowicki a little bit earlier,
Speaker 1: who was calling in live from Charlottesville, Virginia to give
Speaker 1: his report on what he saw today, what he experienced
Speaker 1: out there as part of that march, along with Richard
Speaker 1: Spencer and a bunch of other people. So he's got
Speaker 1: some great videos up there on his YouTube page. Everybody
Speaker 1: go check those out, bookmark those for later. There's going
Speaker 1: to be more coming out as well that he hasn't
Speaker 1: uploaded yet, but you can see Andy and some of
Speaker 1: the people he was with facing off against a large
Speaker 1: force of riot police that were claiming that their rally
Speaker 1: was unlawful and that they needed to disperse. And just
Speaker 1: as we were getting Andy on to talk about that,
Speaker 1: news started breaking about a car plowing into people at
Speaker 1: the Unite the Right march And you just heard Patrick
Speaker 1: henningson on RT live there. So Patrick is able to
Speaker 1: join us here. We're also joined by Randy Jay and
Speaker 1: Funk Soul. So, gentlemen, welcome back to the live stream here,
Speaker 1: and Patrick, thanks for joining us. That was a really
Speaker 1: good breakdown you gave there on RT. You kind of
Speaker 1: helped them balance it out a little bit. The guess
Speaker 1: they had before you was, boy, I think he might
Speaker 1: have been an Antifa member.
Speaker 12: I'm not sure well, And the guess they have on
Speaker 12: after me was basically saying that this was that was
Speaker 12: a deliberate terrorist attack by the person hit the car,
Speaker 12: And you know, quite frankly, like if you're not there,
Speaker 12: and it's going to take a police investigation to figure
Speaker 12: out really what happened, because you know, tensions are high.
Speaker 12: You know, you put a lot of thousands of people
Speaker 12: in there, and you put traffic in there, and you
Speaker 12: squeeze that into an alley way. You know, anything could happen,
Speaker 12: anything could set off anything. It looks like someone hit
Speaker 12: their brakes, most likely because of the protesters. It's stopping
Speaker 12: their car or something, and then someone rear ended them,
Speaker 12: and then someone rear ended them. Yeah, okay. So the
Speaker 12: third car, I think it looked like a Camaro or
Speaker 12: something was or a Mustang I'm not sure, or a
Speaker 12: hell Cat was basically reversed out of there and it's
Speaker 12: front end was completely mashed up, so it could have
Speaker 12: panicked and hit the accelerator and end up, you know,
Speaker 12: trying to you know, trying to reverse, end up going
Speaker 12: forward hitting somebody. But they're they're total the front end
Speaker 12: of their car, so they definitely hit a vehicle or
Speaker 12: something as well. So you don't know what happened. I mean,
Speaker 12: she's going to have to take some witness statements and
Speaker 12: some forensic investigation to figure that one out. I personally
Speaker 12: doubt I might be wrong, you know, but I personally
Speaker 12: doubt that someone would go in there with the attention
Speaker 12: of running people over. I just don't see that happening.
Speaker 12: I mean, I don't know. Maybe that's just me, but
Speaker 12: that's not like American style behavior.
Speaker 1: Really, you know, yeah, but and you see that a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, you see people I lived in a place
Speaker 1: once where there was a dentist's office out in the
Speaker 1: front part of the building where I lived in, and
Speaker 1: somebody drove up a tree. They literally, you know, when
Speaker 1: when people are in a scattered frame of mind. This
Speaker 1: was probably an older person got confused, hit the accelerator
Speaker 1: and drive instead of reverse and knocked a fence down
Speaker 1: and drove their car up onto a tree. You know. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I can imagine it's easy to imagine that,
Speaker 1: you know, an accident could happen like that in a
Speaker 1: stressful situation where you know, crowd, there's a crowd of people.
Speaker 1: I mean, it clearly didn't look like the uh I
Speaker 1: think it was a truck actually that hit the two
Speaker 1: cars in front of it, and then it went into
Speaker 1: reverse real fast, but then it stopped. You know, it
Speaker 1: didn't seem like it was trying to escape really, And
Speaker 1: the person allegedly is in custody that was driving that truck.
Speaker 1: So it's going to be interesting to see what kind
Speaker 1: of narrative comes out of the mainstream media on this
Speaker 1: or you know, and of course there's the possibility that
Speaker 1: could be used spun for political purposes as well if
Speaker 1: it was an organic event, and it it did seem
Speaker 1: like and it was very different from some of the
Speaker 1: European car attacks like we've seen in the past.
Speaker 12: Well, the one they called a terrorist attack in Finsbury Park,
Speaker 12: you remember that last month or two months ago, right, Yeah,
Speaker 12: it's apparently a white supremacist mowed down a Muslim outside
Speaker 12: the mosque at midnight. Well, it turns out that the
Speaker 12: person that supposedly died is actually an old, elderly person
Speaker 12: that had collapsed before the van came over the cross walk.
Speaker 12: So I mean that the whole story has been that
Speaker 12: you still see people in the news saying they mowed
Speaker 12: us down in Finsbury Park. Well, that's to me a
Speaker 12: bogus story. It just on its face, it seems to
Speaker 12: me like that's a false narrative. But yet the media
Speaker 12: still runs with it. So then now they're saying, well,
Speaker 12: we've seen this terrorist attack in London and this is
Speaker 12: what the alt right or the white nationalists or the
Speaker 12: whatever did. And I'm not sort of apologizing for you know,
Speaker 12: the Tommy Robinson types and the pigitas, because I think
Speaker 12: that most of them are complete idiots. But the you know,
Speaker 12: that wasn't it. I don't think somehow that wasn't He
Speaker 12: didn't kill that person, didn't strike them with the van.
Speaker 12: I just don't from what I read and saw from
Speaker 12: the news reports, that actually didn't happen. But the media
Speaker 12: just ran with the narrative anyway. So it's amazing something
Speaker 12: of that high profile people will get it wrong. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's still floating around out there as though
Speaker 1: it was a car attack, and it's you know, I
Speaker 1: gotta wonder how this one's going to turn out in
Speaker 1: the end. There they're showing, you know, current scenes of
Speaker 1: that street. It's all blocked off, there's no one there.
Speaker 1: It's ready for the FBI to come in and frame
Speaker 1: the story however they want to. Probably.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So you know, I look at these pro I
Speaker 12: mean this is flash mob city. I mean, like this
Speaker 12: is Antifa fit. Go look at their Facebook groups. They're
Speaker 12: fucking huge, right, so they can mobilize on Twitter and
Speaker 12: they literally flash mob at anytime and h and so
Speaker 12: they are absolutely violent. They're up to carrying sticks, they're
Speaker 12: beating people with them. You know, they're out for a fight.
Speaker 12: It's no doubt about it. No, if sands or butts,
Speaker 12: this group is there is there for a fight. They're
Speaker 12: there for physical violence, and if they don't get it,
Speaker 12: then it's not going to be worthwhile. You know, it's
Speaker 12: not gonna be a worthwild event for them unless there's
Speaker 12: some violence there. You know, look look at this, it's amazing.
Speaker 1: And they say that, you know there's there's tear gas
Speaker 1: and violence breaking out on both sides. Well maybe that's true,
Speaker 1: but I've seen a lot of footage today, and the
Speaker 1: only footage I've seen, all the violence was incited by
Speaker 1: the Antifa types. You know, they've always.
Speaker 12: If you look at if you look at all the
Speaker 12: Antifa footage and you look at all the events, that's
Speaker 12: always the case. Always. The violence is always initiated and
Speaker 12: always started by the these Antifa maniacs basically, and they're
Speaker 12: political mission statement is non existent. They're totally bogused. They
Speaker 12: just oppose fascism. What the hell does that mean? We
Speaker 12: oppose the KKK, We opposed Trump. He's racist, the racist
Speaker 12: policies of this White House, the racist Trump administration. What
Speaker 12: kind of bullshit talking point is that? You know this
Speaker 12: isn't a race, show me what's racist about this last
Speaker 12: whatever how many months in office? You know, Oh, he
Speaker 12: wants to build a wall. Oh he wants to you know,
Speaker 12: he's stopping immigration, and he put a travel band on Muslims. Okay,
Speaker 12: you can argue sort of the points of that, and
Speaker 12: and I do and I will, but you know, to
Speaker 12: call it racism is just basically toxifying the conversation immediately. Uh.
Speaker 12: And so this is what that sort of side of
Speaker 12: the are.
Speaker 1: Doing and sad and they had no sad, they had
Speaker 1: no care to do that when Obama was in office.
Speaker 1: You know, nothing he did could ever be racist, even
Speaker 1: though he you know, bombed more people than just about
Speaker 1: any other president we've had.
Speaker 12: It's it's not it's not only that if if Obama
Speaker 12: injected racism at every single opportunity, whether it was Trayvon Martin,
Speaker 12: whether it was Ferguson, whether it was anything, he would
Speaker 12: he would come out and then sort of inject himself
Speaker 12: into it and to ratchet up the tension. And so
Speaker 12: race relations hit an all time low under in the
Speaker 12: US under President Obama. And there's a reason for that
Speaker 12: because him and Eric Holder basically had on their agenda
Speaker 12: with al Sharpton egging them on and doing his uh
Speaker 12: you know, street racketeering that that shaking companies down, shaking
Speaker 12: NGOs down for sort of uh going on this sort
Speaker 12: of hard race line, identity polocks line, or he's going
Speaker 12: to mobilize protests at their office, or whether he did
Speaker 12: that with Hollywood, for god's sakes, with Sony pictures. So
Speaker 12: you know, that's what eight years of Obama did. And
Speaker 12: so they're completely supporting this. Absolutely, the Democratic grassroots totally
Speaker 12: behind this Antifa thing because they see it as a
Speaker 12: sort of sharp end of the spear and sort of
Speaker 12: hopefully getting rid of Trump. But it's doing nothing for
Speaker 12: them politically because this group has no they've got nothing
Speaker 12: to offer. It's just it's just showing up and just
Speaker 12: being rebellious and anarchist and destroying stuff like we saw
Speaker 12: in Charlotte, North Carolina, like we saw in Portland, like
Speaker 12: we saw in Ferguson, and like we've seen in so
Speaker 12: many other places. And so you know, that's it's completely
Speaker 12: it's productiveless. That's a real word. I use that word
Speaker 12: non productive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it works in a situation where we're dealing
Speaker 1: with anybody who's not you know, part of that extreme
Speaker 1: leftist sort of philosophy is now a KKK, a white supremacist.
Speaker 1: I was shocked at some of the guests they had
Speaker 1: on our t there just making blanket statements about the
Speaker 1: alt right and playing into this whole concept of well,
Speaker 1: if you're not with us, you're now a Nazi. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're a constitutionalist, a patriot, a alt right,
Speaker 1: alt light, anywhere to the right of center, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're a nazi, you're a KKK, you're
Speaker 1: a racist. I thought it was just really bad the
Speaker 1: way that they try to paint that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it's just ridiculous. There's there's no conversation to
Speaker 12: be had.
Speaker 1: That's the most unfortunate part about it. To me. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, now there's just this growing population that is
Speaker 1: going to be totally unable to even have a conversation
Speaker 1: about any of these issues just because you know, they
Speaker 1: recognize that someone is not in their identity politic and
Speaker 1: it's really sad.
Speaker 12: And so you know, people around the world are looking
Speaker 12: at this and they're getting this impression that, oh, look
Speaker 12: what Trump's done to America. You know, this is kind
Speaker 12: of the sort of the standard talking point, Oh, you know,
Speaker 12: he's and so what they're doing here in America here
Speaker 12: and what this is, this is the same as what
Speaker 12: they're doing in Venezuela. So it's the deep State are
Speaker 12: doing what they do in foreign countries, they're doing it
Speaker 12: in the United States. Okay, So what you're looking at
Speaker 12: it's just a more soft, kind of americanized shopping mall
Speaker 12: version of the sort of the hardcore shit that you're
Speaker 12: seeing in Venezuela, Syria, Tunisia, Egypt. That's real hardcore. You know,
Speaker 12: it's a real loss of life in that one. You know,
Speaker 12: police officers getting killed, and you know, people getting shot,
Speaker 12: run over by police cars, and you know, like in
Speaker 12: Egypt during the Arab Spring Attire Square, you know, they're
Speaker 12: literally a police are just running over protesters and just
Speaker 12: not stopping. Basically, I think the one thousand people or something.
Speaker 12: I don't know how many people got injured or killed,
Speaker 12: but it was it was a lot, you know. But
Speaker 12: so this is kind of a soft Americanized Facebook, you know,
Speaker 12: nice Silicon Valley version of the sort of you know,
Speaker 12: Color Revolution, I guess in the United States. But it
Speaker 12: can never go anywhere because because they because you can't
Speaker 12: in the US. You know this, It's not Venezuela, it's
Speaker 12: not Syria, it's the USA. And most Americans don't give
Speaker 12: a damn about this. Most Americans are just getting on
Speaker 12: with it. And these people are just freaks, quite frankly,
Speaker 12: and I'm going to say, I'm going to say there's
Speaker 12: freakishness on both sides, on the right and definitely on
Speaker 12: the left. But on the right they're saying, oh, we're
Speaker 12: peaceful and we're all this, and they're talking about this
Speaker 12: sort of racial purity stuff, and that's a big talking point,
Speaker 12: and of course they're going to set off. It's making
Speaker 12: themselves an easy target by doing that from these sort
Speaker 12: of groups on the left, So they're fueling it actually,
Speaker 12: but they're also raking in all the ad revenue on
Speaker 12: their YouTube channels and their websites by taking this kind
Speaker 12: of Pageita type stance and being so called controversial. I've
Speaker 12: seen people who have just reinvented themselves in the last
Speaker 12: three years. They just become this new personality and they've
Speaker 12: made a shitload of money doing it, some big names
Speaker 12: that we all know anyway. But you know, so there's
Speaker 12: that there's that aspect of it as well, and so
Speaker 12: you know, bullshit on both sides. But I think actually
Speaker 12: it's slightly worse. The Antifa thing is slightly worse because
Speaker 12: I'm I think I should have said this on the
Speaker 12: air NRT, but they absolutely have, you know, a federal
Speaker 12: FBI informants and agitators embedded in Antifa, just like every
Speaker 12: other major group, and so does the the right wing groups.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to bring that up too. I'm
Speaker 1: glad you mentioned it because we're talking about that on
Speaker 1: the back line. Funk Soul Randy and I were talking
Speaker 1: about that. You know how anytime we see any of
Speaker 1: these events like this, there's always that one guy or
Speaker 1: those five or six guys there that are claiming their
Speaker 1: KKK or you know, they are one of these extreme
Speaker 1: factions that the media wants to conflate into the the
Speaker 1: larger population of one of these groups like Antifa or
Speaker 1: like the alt right. We've seen this over and over again,
Speaker 1: so you know, for sure we see a guy there
Speaker 1: holding a KKK sign, a pro KKK sign, there's a
Speaker 1: good chance that guy's a FED or some sort of agitator,
Speaker 1: you say.
Speaker 12: In fact, it's always those guys and so you see this.
Speaker 12: We saw this in the pat con uh operation pat
Speaker 12: Con with the FEDS infiltrating militia groups and patriot militia.
Speaker 12: It's called pat con or short for patriot conspiracy. And
Speaker 12: so that that was just normal bill of fare for
Speaker 12: the FBI to do that. And the environmental groups too,
Speaker 12: all this sort of and the payta animal activists, vegetarian activists,
Speaker 12: you know, blowing stuff up, bombing uh in, the abortion
Speaker 12: activists as well, pro life activists. That you have agitators
Speaker 12: in there that are embedded as well, and then in
Speaker 12: some cases, in most cases, in all cases, in fact,
Speaker 12: probably they're steering sort of the hardest core, sharp end
Speaker 12: of the agitation. And so that's proven throughout history. So
Speaker 12: that's the problem whenever you get a group, whenever you
Speaker 12: get something under an activist. This is why I just
Speaker 12: don't have time for activist groups anymore, because every single
Speaker 12: one can be infiltrated. Once you have a group, and
Speaker 12: once you have a political organization, whatever it is. It
Speaker 12: could start off as genuine, but it won't be long
Speaker 12: until it's infiltrated, and then people will radicalize it or
Speaker 12: destroy it or take it off into a cul de
Speaker 12: Sac or whatever. I see it all the time. And
Speaker 12: so that's why, you know, if you're running something like that,
Speaker 12: you know you have to be so well organized to
Speaker 12: keep that from happening. But this is just a free
Speaker 12: for all, the Santifa thing, I mean, it's a joke.
Speaker 12: It's just a Facebook. Anybody could get in there. You
Speaker 12: could have anybody in there or as at least at
Speaker 12: least on this unite right, I would venture to say
Speaker 12: that they all knew each other. Uh, that everyone knew
Speaker 12: who probably knew most of them knew each other, and
Speaker 12: they could probably vouch for each other.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 12: You know, you might not agree with all of their politics,
Speaker 12: but you know, but this Antifa thing, it's a free
Speaker 12: for all. You know, anyone could come in, even from
Speaker 12: out of the country, could appear to get a plane
Speaker 12: and you know, land in DC and next thing, you know,
Speaker 12: and therein Yeah. Because I'm looking at this footage now,
Speaker 12: this car thing, definitely someone got panicked and then the
Speaker 12: guy reversed out of there. It's not a terrorist I can't.
Speaker 12: I cannot believe what I'm watching here as a terrorist attack. No,
Speaker 12: I have all time, honestly, and I'll tell you this too.
Speaker 12: That's a damn nice car that person was driving. And
Speaker 12: if you're driving a Dodge hell Cat or something like,
Speaker 12: that thing looked like it was in cherry condition and
Speaker 12: the last thing you want to do is just destroy it.
Speaker 12: So but yeah, he toltally, he basically rear ended somebody
Speaker 12: and I don't know what happened, but it looks like
Speaker 12: he had rear ended them first, and so it looked
Speaker 12: like a pile up. I mean, that's obviously what I'm
Speaker 12: looking at. So have these idiots coming on the news
Speaker 12: calling it a terrorist attack. I mean they should be
Speaker 12: arrested for you know, pumping out insightful fake news. Well
Speaker 12: in a police state run by me anyway.
Speaker 17: Yeah, hey everyone, maybe that terrorism's going going the way
Speaker 17: of racism. And what I mean by that is perhaps
Speaker 17: we're just going to see the word just thrown around
Speaker 17: willy nilly like it's this is an active terror.
Speaker 9: That's an active terror.
Speaker 17: And it'll just it'll cease to uh mean an active
Speaker 17: terror like it like it once did.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I know, you're probably it's probably we'll see
Speaker 12: how this one pans out. I expect to hear. I mean,
Speaker 12: I'm not watching you TV and I'm not going to
Speaker 12: sit there and ride it. But if you guys ride CNN,
Speaker 12: you'll get some cherry talking points. Actually, if you do,
Speaker 12: please send me the MP three recordings and all play
Speaker 12: it on the show.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, we'll be keeping our eye out for them.
Speaker 1: And you know, you make a good point about Antifa there.
Speaker 1: I mean, these people they wear masks, and most of
Speaker 1: the people, at least the prominent people on the alt right,
Speaker 1: you know, they You're right, they do know each other.
Speaker 1: They're very public about their views and what their platform
Speaker 1: is exactly, you know, and and these Antifas they don't.
Speaker 1: And you know the other thing about the niphos, they
Speaker 1: show up in all masks and everything nobody, you know,
Speaker 1: they all want to keep their anonymity. And when you
Speaker 1: look at their their local marches, they're usually maybe you know,
Speaker 1: a dozen people at most. So you mentioned on RT
Speaker 1: that you know one like this, it's like you've got
Speaker 1: people coming from all over the nation like they're being
Speaker 1: busted in or something like that. Totally, it sticks out
Speaker 1: to me that there's so many at certain events. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like the planned events, the ones that are planned
Speaker 1: out way in advance that aren't held early in the
Speaker 1: morning and have the most coverage. There's always like hundreds
Speaker 1: of these people, but then you look at one of
Speaker 1: their local chapters and it's tiny. I just find it
Speaker 1: very strange, you know. I mean, usually like one guy
Speaker 1: can take on five or six antifaz you know, if
Speaker 1: you just find them on a street corner in Portland
Speaker 1: or something like that. But then you get something like
Speaker 1: this and all of a sudden there's hundreds of them.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and they're throwing this word fascism around as well.
Speaker 12: I'm watching in the news right now, and who are
Speaker 12: these people? Honestly, who are these people?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 12: This is just so easy to do. I mean they're
Speaker 12: on a crusade, and you know what, what do they want?
Speaker 12: You know what? What? What? What did you want? More
Speaker 12: war with Hillary Clinton? Is that you know, you know,
Speaker 12: wanted to bomb bomb Syria, bomb a couple other countries maybe,
Speaker 12: Bob i Ran I guess yeah, I mean and so
Speaker 12: and Bernie Sanders is you know, crazy old man really
Speaker 12: that just basically became a Democrat so he could run
Speaker 12: for president, who arguably probably had a better chance than
Speaker 12: than Hillary to win in general. But I mean, god,
Speaker 12: I mean, if you think Donald Trump's unsightly and you know,
Speaker 12: not qualified. You know, Bernie Sanders is promising free college
Speaker 12: tuition to people just to get votes. I mean, it's
Speaker 12: that's pathetic, but that's what was going on during the
Speaker 12: campaign there, talking about all this stuff. So yeah, I
Speaker 12: don't know, it's pretty hopeless. Really, they're not they're not
Speaker 12: going to gain any ground from this. On the left.
Speaker 12: They're not going to gain any ground from it. And
Speaker 12: they keep doing this, and it's just they're just going
Speaker 12: to get more radical. You know, they're going to get there.
Speaker 12: They're totally radicalized now, and then they're going to start
Speaker 12: fighting each other for leadership positions. And basically it's like
Speaker 12: a bad, bad, weird version of the Tea Party. It's
Speaker 12: like a militarized, violent leftist kind of mutation of the
Speaker 12: Tea Party. This is what's going on. You know, it's hopeless.
Speaker 12: It's a joke. I mean, look at all these people,
Speaker 12: you know, none of them have only a couple of
Speaker 12: them have jobs. Everyone's got tattoos though I noticed.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, plenty of times for tattoos.
Speaker 12: They got money for tats, they got money for.
Speaker 9: Freaking hair color.
Speaker 12: Yeah, oh yeah, all that ship. Yeah, colored hair and
Speaker 12: all that joy. Wow. Yeah, they're filming everything and just
Speaker 12: like so what you know, what do you what do
Speaker 12: you got to offer? You know, just say it, get
Speaker 12: that together, put that out, then let's have a let's
Speaker 12: have a discussion of where to take the country.
Speaker 17: It is a shallow though, is Hey, what are you
Speaker 17: guys doing this weekend? Oh, it's trending that on you know,
Speaker 17: it's training on Twitter and Facebook that you know, this
Speaker 17: thing's going down. You guys want to go. Yeah, I
Speaker 17: mean that's how shallow some of it is.
Speaker 12: Well, that's what you do when you're young. I mean,
Speaker 12: when when stuff's breaking out, you want to be there.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 12: I've been in a couple of riots and I've been
Speaker 12: tear gassed and it was it was it was you know,
Speaker 12: it was a bonding experience for a young person, you know,
Speaker 12: and it's like there was no point to it at all.
Speaker 12: It was no point. It was like it was over beer.
Speaker 12: I think it was the beer riots of San Luis
Speaker 12: obispo In in nineteen ninety one or something like that,
Speaker 12: I mean, or ninety nineteen ninety Yeah, and it was
Speaker 12: just pointless. It was just it was just it was
Speaker 12: just you know, craziness for craziness sake. The police showed
Speaker 12: up and teargassed everybody, and then they students tore the
Speaker 12: place to pieces, and yeah.
Speaker 17: Doesn't it have the depth of you know, the Golden
Speaker 17: State Warriors, you know, won the NBA Championship, Real Madrid won.
Speaker 17: Let's go flip a car and light it on fire.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, well more like the football analogy, Randy, Maybe
Speaker 12: not so much. The Warriors don't diss my team. No, no, NBA,
Speaker 12: you know, we don't do that, you know we did.
Speaker 12: But definitely English Football League, Polish Premier League, or you know,
Speaker 12: Turkey versus England. You know, some abbings and fire bomb
Speaker 12: fire bomb police cars. Yeah, that's all good, that's all.
Speaker 12: That's all good fun.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's the stage made fascist versus the the board, you.
Speaker 9: Know, twenty.
Speaker 12: Look they're all carrying flags. Okay, they've all got these
Speaker 12: red flags with what definitely it's gotten Nazi connotations to it.
Speaker 12: This is on the leftist Okay, it's like, you know,
Speaker 12: so you have to remember the National Socialists as well.
Speaker 12: We're definitely of the leftist variety when they sort of formed.
Speaker 12: But so the fact they've all got they're in America
Speaker 12: and they're carrying these flags around. It's the most bizarre thing.
Speaker 12: You know, who carries freaking flags around in America? I mean,
Speaker 12: it's something about it. It's just not right, nothing about
Speaker 12: nothing about it's right.
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that the they're using like I don't
Speaker 1: know what you would call it, like closet dowl you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like something that's got like a
Speaker 1: two inch diameter, like a you know, a violent weapon,
Speaker 1: a blunt force weapon. It seems to me that it's
Speaker 1: not so much about carrying their flag as it is
Speaker 1: about having, you know, a bow staff to hit people with.
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's well, they can get those cheap at home base. Yes,
Speaker 12: that's why.
Speaker 1: That's right. They can take it right out of their
Speaker 1: lobby lobby. They pull it right out of their mom's closet.
Speaker 12: Yeah, downing wooden dowling a hobby lobby, you know, go
Speaker 12: down there before you get to the pro st, where's
Speaker 12: the nearest hobby lobby. You've gotta get some wooden dowlings.
Speaker 12: It's kind of a ridiculous.
Speaker 17: They're all out, they're all out. Look online, Oh we
Speaker 17: got to go to Walmart now.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I saw a guy wearing a German World War two,
Speaker 12: uh helmet. You know there's somebody these guys, you know
Speaker 12: what side they were on. And the Confederate flag, I mean,
Speaker 12: that's of course going to be and you know that's
Speaker 12: just like you know, like it's like a bug light,
Speaker 12: you know in the Philippines. You know, it's just gonna
Speaker 12: it's gonna attract the biggest sort of creatures you can imagine,
Speaker 12: I mean, and NonStop. So you know, whoever's waving that around,
Speaker 12: I mean, that's you have your right to do that.
Speaker 12: In America, of course, there's going to be a reaction
Speaker 12: to it. But I mean, I know people from the
Speaker 12: South that sort of like they fancy they're General Lee,
Speaker 12: And I wouldn't call them racist or classify them as racist,
Speaker 12: but they're just proud of being in the South and
Speaker 12: has the unfortunate byproduct of being associated with slavery as well,
Speaker 12: you know, one hundred and fifty years ago. So unfortunately
Speaker 12: that's the outgrowth of the Confederate flag and what that
Speaker 12: sort of sets off on an American partisan politics. But
Speaker 12: you know, we all used to watch the Dukes of
Speaker 12: Hazard growing up, and we weren't it wasn't you know,
Speaker 12: there wasn't any racist overtones in that show at all,
Speaker 12: not that I know of. Just like really, you know,
Speaker 12: loads of Southern Hicks and you know moonshine runners, and
Speaker 12: you know it's like what driving.
Speaker 17: The car by there by a lot of the standards
Speaker 17: applied today that movie. I mean, if you wanted to
Speaker 17: spin it or that program would be considered racist against
Speaker 17: Southern whites. If someone wanted to, you know, spin it
Speaker 17: that way, they could, but it wasn't meant to be.
Speaker 17: No one ever, You're right, no one ever took it
Speaker 17: that way or did some sort of you know, psychological
Speaker 17: think tank thing on it like that, because that's not.
Speaker 12: What it was. Well, look, the this is just people
Speaker 12: are just idiotic, you know, because in America it's it's
Speaker 12: it's supposed to embody the egalitarian philosophy fee right, whereby
Speaker 12: you know, all people are created equal, everyone's got an
Speaker 12: equal chance to succeed. Everyone can be president. My god,
Speaker 12: we have the first black president. So you know, it's
Speaker 12: all there, right, all for the taking. And then you
Speaker 12: have but but more than just identity politics, you have
Speaker 12: an entrenched elite. You have a political class that is
Speaker 12: completely elitist and totally oligarchical and entrenched, and you know,
Speaker 12: swamping spit with all the big corporations as well. And
Speaker 12: so so how do you how can you possibly ever?
Speaker 12: You know, let's say you don't want to sell your
Speaker 12: soul to the devil and go into a career in politics,
Speaker 12: you know, go be an intern and shovel you know
Speaker 12: what for some congressman or senator and and so have
Speaker 12: to look the other way while he's shagging the other
Speaker 12: endtern and you know, an hour before the wife comes in,
Speaker 12: and and and so, instead of selling your soul to
Speaker 12: the devil and that dirty world in Washington, d C.
Speaker 12: You know, why not break the mold and have somebody
Speaker 12: come through to be elected president who doesn't have any
Speaker 12: political resume. I mean, what is more American than that?
Speaker 12: And so that's what Donald Trump has done. So just
Speaker 12: as Barack Obama broke the color barrier, donald Trump broke
Speaker 12: the oligarch or the sort of the political deep state barrier.
Speaker 12: And to me, that's a more significant barrier because I
Speaker 12: don't sort of believe in hanging your hat on color
Speaker 12: and genders as you're defining principle of who you are
Speaker 12: living in a country like the United States. So to me,
Speaker 12: it's like, you know, can can you know, can I
Speaker 12: win on ideas? Can I win on leadership qualities? Can
Speaker 12: I win on you know, being fast and you know,
Speaker 12: being clever and you know, being quick on my feet
Speaker 12: and managing all the sort of moving parts. Can I
Speaker 12: Can I win on that? And so that's what Trump did. Yeah,
Speaker 12: he's got a lot of money, Yeah, he's got clout.
Speaker 12: Yeah he's a celebrity, but he's not a politician. So
Speaker 12: that's a major breakthrough for American politics, especially for all
Speaker 12: these people in the sort of who in the lower
Speaker 12: echellence of society, because it means that they don't have
Speaker 12: to kiss ass. Technically they could somehow one day if
Speaker 12: they're successful or if they're you know, legitimate and they've
Speaker 12: got the right ideas and they resonate with the public,
Speaker 12: then they they will have a chance to attain some
Speaker 12: sort of success in the political sense. And so they're
Speaker 12: tearing him down for that, you see. And that's that's
Speaker 12: the most Unamerican thing I can think of, is the
Speaker 12: tearing down Donald Trump. It's it's it's you know, I
Speaker 12: didn't see anybody tearing down Obama like this at all. Yeah,
Speaker 12: they had the birth certificate thing, and you know that,
Speaker 12: I personally looked at that, you know, and it looked
Speaker 12: like the forgery, you know, and the Selective Service draft
Speaker 12: card as well, you know, so it looked like a fake.
Speaker 12: So I but I'm not in charge, and I'm not
Speaker 12: you know, I don't have the authority to bring any
Speaker 12: charges or to investigate further. It might have been a ruse,
Speaker 12: who knows, but you know, But aside from that, I mean,
Speaker 12: what was the worst thing that anyone did to Obama?
Speaker 12: And people say, oh, well, they are whites resented him
Speaker 12: when the whites elected Obama? Are you kidding me? Obama
Speaker 12: wasn't elected by Black America. He was elected by white America.
Speaker 12: And those people that were disenchanted by Obama because he
Speaker 12: carried on with what Bush had started, they went and
Speaker 12: voted for Trump. It's as simple as that. And this
Speaker 12: is what people they will not admit or cut face
Speaker 12: up to. All the people who are relentless resistance. They
Speaker 12: will not face up to this reality. And therefore I
Speaker 12: believe that they will lose the next election because they
Speaker 12: still haven't come to grips with what's really going on
Speaker 12: in the public out in the world, not on MSNBC,
Speaker 12: not on CNN. That's not the world. Well, what's really
Speaker 12: going on in people's heads? What people are really into,
Speaker 12: what they really believe? And they're not they're not into antifa. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 12: you know the other Yeah.
Speaker 17: I was gonna say, Patrick that their reaction seems to
Speaker 17: be too social engineer harder, rig the game, harder, censor
Speaker 17: the Internet harder, do do all of these other things
Speaker 17: to get to call their way, you know, back, you know,
Speaker 17: maybe to the White House or at least the public
Speaker 17: perception of who the current figurehead of the United States is.
Speaker 17: But there's no you know, just like the whole the
Speaker 17: whole message of the anti FA there's no, there's no
Speaker 17: there there.
Speaker 12: No, there's no. I don't even know what their message is.
Speaker 12: We oppose fascism in America? What fascism? What? What? What's fascism?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 12: Trump is a fascist?
Speaker 9: Well?
Speaker 12: How is he a fascist? First of all? What is fascism?
Speaker 12: Can we can we agree on a definition to start with,
Speaker 12: because that's the first problem with this term fascism. Well,
Speaker 12: I think I know what fascism is, but I use
Speaker 12: more of a sort of no inn orthodox twentieth century
Speaker 12: definition of it, which is more in line with corporatism.
Speaker 12: But then there's you know, there's government corporate fascism, and
Speaker 12: then there's political fascism as well, you know, so there's
Speaker 12: different aspects of fascism. There's the heavy iron glove that
Speaker 12: comes comes down hard on on citizens, and then there's
Speaker 12: the collusion between government and corporations. If you look at
Speaker 12: the way our uh, the intermingling of government and corporations
Speaker 12: in the US, especially you know, Google, they're completely fascist
Speaker 12: and all these people probably love Google. In fact, all
Speaker 12: the people at Google are probably cheering on Antifa right now.
Speaker 12: And Google is the most fascist organization in America. They're
Speaker 12: bearing free speech under their search engine algorithms, and they're
Speaker 12: supposedly a leftist company promoting diversity and whatever, you know,
Speaker 12: but they're they're they're definitely not promoting the values enshrined
Speaker 12: in the US Constitution. Tell you that right.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, that's for sure. You look at the ten
Speaker 1: companies that put the most money into lobbying this this
Speaker 1: country's politicians. You're looking at Alphabet Company, you know, Google,
Speaker 1: You're looking at Pfizer, the pharmaceutical industry. You're looking at
Speaker 1: Lockheed Martin, You know all these these top ten companies
Speaker 1: that put the most money into lobbying, they're the ones
Speaker 1: that are running this the primary aspects of the legislation
Speaker 1: in the direction of the country and that, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is fascism.
Speaker 12: It's not Trump Trump. Trump's got nothing to do with that.
Speaker 12: Trump has zero to do with that. Yeah, he's got
Speaker 12: Goldman Sacks people in his cabinet. God, everyone's works for
Speaker 12: Goldman Sacks at some point in their career now, but
Speaker 12: put that aside. Obama was elected by Wall Street and
Speaker 12: Goldman Sacks. In fact, they told him who to appoint
Speaker 12: in his cabinet, and he pretty much adhered to I
Speaker 12: think it a City Bank or I don't know who
Speaker 12: gave him the list of his cabinet. So you need
Speaker 12: these people, and I think it was like seventy percent
Speaker 12: of those ended up being in the cabinet. You know,
Speaker 12: a bank, you know, the same bank that's repossessing the
Speaker 12: houses of the families of all these people on the
Speaker 12: street with their wooden home base. Rod Ye Antifa people, right,
Speaker 12: these people are complete idiots. They don't know what's going
Speaker 12: on in America. They don't know what's going on in
Speaker 12: the world. They haven't got a freaking clue. They're totally hopeless,
Speaker 12: and they're they're as ignorant as the most ignorant redneck
Speaker 12: in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even more probably. All right, let's go to let's
Speaker 1: go to funks AOL for a minute. Funks all, do
Speaker 1: we have any updates on who was driving that Dodge?
Speaker 1: Any have you heard anything new or we've been chatting?
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, just as you guys have been rolling through things,
Speaker 14: they're in the in the back line of the chat.
Speaker 14: I've just been scanning the social media and surprise, surprise,
Speaker 14: these so called antifa were bust in. That's what's starting
Speaker 14: to come through now as reports, No surprises there, and
Speaker 14: a lot of people have been taken it upon themselves
Speaker 14: to go and do their own research ahead of the media,
Speaker 14: and I guess the cops as well. In the situation
Speaker 14: as into the identity of the driver of the Dodge,
Speaker 14: A lot of people been mocking up a pastiche or
Speaker 14: a montage of information and putting on social media. Now
Speaker 14: I'm looking at Twitter regarding who this person is, and
Speaker 14: apparently through search quarry, which is a license plate in
Speaker 14: vin search engine, people have traced the identity of the
Speaker 14: Dodge driver to a guy called Jerome Vangaloo. I think
Speaker 14: that's how you pronounce it. Seems Afrikaans or some form
Speaker 14: of maybe Belgian or Dutch surname.
Speaker 2: Jerome Vangaloo.
Speaker 14: He's the owner of the twenty ten Dodge Challenger which
Speaker 14: crashed into people. He has lived in Michigan, Ohio, and
Speaker 14: possibly now lives in Detroit. It said he most likely
Speaker 14: bought the car for his son, Joel j O e
Speaker 14: l Joel Bengaloo. People have traced joe Vengaloo's Twitter account
Speaker 14: and his Facebook account and surprise prize.
Speaker 2: He seems to be very much anti Trump, and he
Speaker 2: said some not so very nice things about Trump.
Speaker 14: For example, if only Trump were aborted, stuff like that,
Speaker 14: and yeah, so there's a lot of stuff coming in
Speaker 14: like that. It's kind of starting to go viral. I
Speaker 14: kind of had this about in the last ten or
Speaker 14: fifteen minutes, but it's starting to kind of go through
Speaker 14: the hashtag Charlottesville thread on Twitter.
Speaker 9: Now.
Speaker 14: Quite a young guy, actually I can get an exact
Speaker 14: age on it seems like he's in the region of
Speaker 14: eighteen to eighteen to twenty five and he is the
Speaker 14: so called proprietor of the twenty ten Dodge Challenger, so
Speaker 14: pro Antifa, anti Trump young activist is reportedly the guy
Speaker 14: who mowed into the crowd in Charlottesville.
Speaker 2: So there you have it.
Speaker 12: Hey, fun, can you can you get us a report
Speaker 12: up on that twenty first cent you are with that?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, no problem, you.
Speaker 12: Can slap something together. I mean, that's are you serious?
Speaker 12: So that just blows away all of the commentators they
Speaker 12: have just been on saying it was a terrorist attack.
Speaker 14: Right, people have gone on their own research, They've used
Speaker 14: logic deduction reasoning. They most likely think they I mean,
Speaker 14: because when you do a search on this, you can,
Speaker 14: you know, through the search quarry, you can bring up
Speaker 14: the name of the actual registered owner.
Speaker 2: It says it says his name, his age fifty one.
Speaker 14: And so they assume now that it's the that this
Speaker 14: belongs to the Sun because on his Facebook page he
Speaker 14: posts a picture of the twenty ten twenty ten Dodge
Speaker 14: vehicle saying, hey, check out check out my new vehicle.
Speaker 14: So it's it's it's it's very interesting stuff. Obviously this
Speaker 14: has to this has to be further checked out on whatnot.
Speaker 14: But yeah, it seems to be going viral at this point,
Speaker 14: and if you do go through the hashtag, it's it's
Speaker 14: starting to it's starting to appear up now.
Speaker 17: If if so I got I could without being there,
Speaker 17: I could see editors in news newsrooms across you know,
Speaker 17: North America just saying, hey, wipe that terrorist moniker off
Speaker 17: the headline.
Speaker 9: Hurry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, heads are ex floating.
Speaker 12: Yeah, oh god, I want to see who's calling it
Speaker 12: a terrorist attack. I'm going to troll them so hard
Speaker 12: after that.
Speaker 1: Yeah much.
Speaker 14: Yeah, a lot of people are calling it domestic domestic terrorism.
Speaker 14: That's some of the language and semantic stuff I've been
Speaker 14: seen throughout social media, as in, it's Trump's false Bridebot's fault,
Speaker 14: it's it's Bannon's folds. Anyone who is you know, who
Speaker 14: swings to the right is now is now a nazi racist,
Speaker 14: all of these descriptors. That's it, you know, anyone on
Speaker 14: the left there, their mind is made up about anyone
Speaker 14: who has a conservative bone in the body, who, who
Speaker 14: and what they are this point, it's just, uh, it's
Speaker 14: just an overdrive. As well as some of the some
Speaker 14: of the pictures that are still pearing up, the very
Speaker 14: graphic pictures of mid air shots of the the dodge
Speaker 14: vehicle going into people in the in the protest as well.
Speaker 14: So it's it's still it's still on meltdown on that
Speaker 14: on that hashtag, and it seems to be getting a
Speaker 14: lot worse.
Speaker 12: Actually, yeah, well it's at Salon called it terrorism of fuckers.
Speaker 17: Well, the narrative, you know that that that work thrown around.
Speaker 17: The narrative that that I'm seeing looking around as we've
Speaker 17: been talking, is you know, divided America. Well, that's what
Speaker 17: they're That's what the media at large is absolutely pushing.
Speaker 9: That's their meme, that's their.
Speaker 17: Sort of narrative. And again you know, it's it's just
Speaker 17: to foil them against themselves and show them or in
Speaker 17: the demonstrate how you know, in the tank they are with.
Speaker 9: The deep state and all this other stuff.
Speaker 17: But where was this conversation, Where was that divided American
Speaker 17: narrative in the last presidency, when when cities were burning
Speaker 17: down and there were riots and streets and in Maryland
Speaker 17: and Ferguson and and elsewhere, where was the divided America
Speaker 17: leadership from the top blame the guy at top narrative?
Speaker 9: Then it was gone.
Speaker 12: No, it was only in sort of rush Limbaugh Hannity
Speaker 12: you know, tea party a few other places. Tea party
Speaker 12: is a bit crazy. But and yeah, I just you know,
Speaker 12: you info wars, I guess that's that's that's selling people
Speaker 12: who were sort of making that commentary. So it was
Speaker 12: totally for boating.
Speaker 1: So if this is if this is true, if the
Speaker 1: guy that hit everybody with his car is a Antifa
Speaker 1: or an Antifa sympathizer, then much like the congressional baseball
Speaker 1: game assassination attempt, we've possibly got another case of the
Speaker 1: outrageous leftist media triggering their viewers into committing actual violence
Speaker 1: while people on the right were simply there to try
Speaker 1: to have a peaceful protest.
Speaker 12: Yet again, because they're martyred because they're markered, and you know,
Speaker 12: because they're markered, all bets are off, you know, anything
Speaker 12: goes at that point, and that's that. Yeah, that's just
Speaker 12: fake news. Basically, that's what the White Helmets do. You know.
Speaker 12: They they do these staged films and situations and that's
Speaker 12: the number one recruiting tool for basically the news for
Speaker 12: front imported fighters. They see that on CNN on whatever
Speaker 12: europe channel, and they say, oh God, can't let them
Speaker 12: get away with this. I'm going to go there and
Speaker 12: fight for freedom, yes, fight for the fight for the people.
Speaker 12: And so now they've done this fake news about this
Speaker 12: terrorist attack and Charlottesville. It's the alt right batter ramming
Speaker 12: innocent protesters on the street and cold blood. Hey I'm
Speaker 12: going to go and beat somebody or burn something down.
Speaker 12: Who knows? There's no limit? Really, this this, this is
Speaker 12: the media basically, ooh my goodness, this is I mean,
Speaker 12: if this, if this is, if this is true? What
Speaker 12: what what they're what they're digging up here? I mean
Speaker 12: this just and that's the reason why you should never
Speaker 12: speculate on motive on any any of these things, you know,
Speaker 12: because you don't know what happened.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 12: It's like you don't know and but you but you
Speaker 12: we can know if he was, you know, an anti
Speaker 12: Trump guy. At least you can make an educated guess that, hey,
Speaker 12: this might be here on one side. Okay, we'll do
Speaker 12: a psychological work up here. I'm sure, Randy, are you
Speaker 12: still there, yes, yeah, you'll appreciate this. Okay, So let's
Speaker 12: do a psychological work up, work up on this guy.
Speaker 12: So you're saying that he wanted Trump to be aborted
Speaker 12: and his dad bought him a nice hot car, right,
Speaker 12: and so so he goes he's he's in there, he's
Speaker 12: in the thick of it. He ends up rear ending
Speaker 12: somebody and hitting somebody. So instead of stopping to get off,
Speaker 12: you know, So what would a would a right one
Speaker 12: is the left wing reaction, which is to hit reverse
Speaker 12: as fast as you can and get the hell out
Speaker 12: of there, you know, is is that what we're looking
Speaker 12: at here? So was he more concerned about his dad
Speaker 12: taking the car away?
Speaker 17: Maybe he maybe he thought the marchers were marching right
Speaker 17: down the middle of his safe space and he wanted
Speaker 17: them out, you know.
Speaker 12: I don't know who knows, but certainly that's you know,
Speaker 12: interesting reaction because you know, he hit fellow traveler, so
Speaker 12: he would have known it's a fellow traveler, So he
Speaker 12: should have got out and say, hey, I'm sorry, Oh
Speaker 12: my god, what a food bar? Can I do anything
Speaker 12: to help? You know? No, he tries to get out
Speaker 12: of there and escape. Basically hit and run. It's just
Speaker 12: it's just it's just a lousy hit and run. But
Speaker 12: within the context of a protest, right, I mean, that's
Speaker 12: I could look at it that way. Oh yeah, sure,
Speaker 12: hardly a terrorist attack.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably a drunk driving, drunk driving hit and run,
Speaker 1: you know, because those was he stoned?
Speaker 12: Was he stoned?
Speaker 1: And be surprised? Those antiphos treat this whole thing like
Speaker 1: a party. It's like a party excuse for them.
Speaker 12: Yeah, was he on meth? Was he stoned? Was he
Speaker 12: on What are the what are the pills they take?
Speaker 12: The antidepressant one that that gives you a kind of
Speaker 12: a buzz if you what's it called Paraxa or something.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's see. Oh they like Riddlin is one of them?
Speaker 12: Riddling? Yeah, Ridlin? So maybe he popped a Riddlin. Really
Speaker 12: have a good old time, and uh, I'll bet you,
Speaker 12: I'll bet you who's under the influence of something. Maybe
Speaker 12: that's why he panicked, because he's like, I'm not going
Speaker 12: to get busted for this drive again. I wasn't thinking
Speaker 12: about the person he killed. Who's more thing about getting
Speaker 12: out of there. Right.
Speaker 14: Well, the story is beginning to change, you guys. There's
Speaker 14: some more breaking stuff coming in.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's it's a bit of a reversal of fortune.
Speaker 2: It's turning on its head. Joe Vungaloo, who is who
Speaker 2: is the reported guy?
Speaker 14: He's apparently currently on Facebook denying he was the driver.
Speaker 14: So this is starting to trend and Joe Vungloo, he says,
Speaker 14: he's saying via his Twitter, I'm not the one. Excuse
Speaker 14: of my language. He says, I'm from fucking Michigan, you idiots.
Speaker 14: And apparently he.
Speaker 2: Is from Michigan.
Speaker 14: He is from mich He's from Michigan, and he drives
Speaker 14: an Impala. I don't know if I'm correcting, if I'm
Speaker 14: saying that correctly, an Impala.
Speaker 2: So he's starting to correct people that that it wasn't him, apparently.
Speaker 12: Even in the and is he even in the area.
Speaker 17: That's yeah, yeah, I just think it's it's sad for
Speaker 17: the guy. But funny in another way that that there
Speaker 17: that there's the rush and the guys you know, in
Speaker 17: his backyard barbecuing and people are calling him and saying, hey,
Speaker 17: what did.
Speaker 14: You Yeah, the car is registered, the car is registered
Speaker 14: to his father. A lot of people. They took GV
Speaker 14: one one one one, so quadruple one they went. They
Speaker 14: ran it through all of these national directories. So they've
Speaker 14: been you know, logical, they've been deductive about this. They've
Speaker 14: gone through the methodology. So it seems to be that, yes,
Speaker 14: it was registered to his I think it was his
Speaker 14: fifty one year old father, Jerome Vangaloo, but apparently his
Speaker 14: so called son Joel I's say no, I drive an Impala.
Speaker 14: So so the cases it's all starting to change now.
Speaker 14: I've also noticed we've got Mike Cernovich on this as well.
Speaker 14: I can't see what Mike Cernovich is saying because he
Speaker 14: doesn't like being called out for sharing kind of fake
Speaker 14: news and kind of crappy kind of like headlines and whatnot,
Speaker 14: so he kind of blocked me in the past, so
Speaker 14: kind I can't connect to with what Cernovich is saying.
Speaker 2: But if this has come from the.
Speaker 14: Horses and mouth of Sernovich, I'm not surprised that things
Speaker 14: have changed again because Mike Cnovich has a reputation, in
Speaker 14: my opinion, of putting out putting out shit, samaches, and
Speaker 14: we could have been subjected to this yet yet again
Speaker 14: from Mike Cnovic, who thinks he's got he's got a scoop,
Speaker 14: he's got he's got the hardest lead.
Speaker 2: But it just completely obliterates.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, I disavowed all political violence, he says, So yeah,
Speaker 12: maybe he deleted those tweets on that.
Speaker 14: Sure, yet he said on January the twenty fourth, if
Speaker 14: only Trump was aboarded, And people have screenshot it that
Speaker 14: from his from his Facebook.
Speaker 12: So.
Speaker 14: Most most most certainly he is he is anti Trump.
Speaker 14: So he's very much in defense mode right now. But
Speaker 14: I'm just trying to wade.
Speaker 12: Through all of the stage is insinuating that someone is
Speaker 12: running Joe van van Goaloo's Facebook account for him response
Speaker 12: to Internet rumors, I drive a two thousand and nine
Speaker 12: Chevy and Paula not a challenger. F you the Internet,
Speaker 12: and I'm not the one. I'm in Michigan, you fing idiots.
Speaker 14: But it was his father's vehicle. That's that's what that is.
Speaker 14: That is an affirmative. People have ran that through the directory,
Speaker 14: so they have a solid lead in that case. Who
Speaker 14: was driving that vehicle? Was it him or was it
Speaker 14: his father? Was it stolen? So it brings up a
Speaker 14: couple of things here into the case.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 2: It's a bit of a head you know.
Speaker 12: Yeah, interesting, interesting, Well, whatever the case is, it's definitely
Speaker 12: not good to speculate on the on the get go.
Speaker 12: As Salon dot com he's done calling it a terrorist event,
Speaker 12: and so many others on the alt left. So yeah, wow, interesting.
Speaker 1: Well, this one's gonna be interesting to watch unfold as
Speaker 1: the day goes on. Here. That's the question. If that
Speaker 1: was this man's car, his father's car registered to him,
Speaker 1: then who was driving it, who was the person driving it,
Speaker 1: and what is their story?
Speaker 12: Good question, So let's get some facts and well hopefully
Speaker 12: they'll come out. The Guardians run a piece on this,
Speaker 12: and I'm just just scanning this here to see if
Speaker 12: they have anything on the arrest. Someone said someone's in custody.
Speaker 12: I remember seeing that. Did ee see that in the
Speaker 12: news reports or not?
Speaker 2: I did see all I've been seen from the Guardian.
Speaker 14: Yeah, all I've been seen from the Guardian all day,
Speaker 14: pot is not every twenty or thirty minutes or so.
Speaker 14: They just keep on running this whole whitesprem It's just
Speaker 14: an all right thing. They've just been excreting this all
Speaker 14: day to day. It's been the same old crap, right right.
Speaker 17: Well, so you know there's we know there's spin patrick.
Speaker 17: If it's a person on the left, they're gonna say
Speaker 17: Trump triggered him, and if it's a person on the right,
Speaker 17: they're gonna say Trump embolded him. So that's Look, that's
Speaker 17: the subtitle.
Speaker 12: Well, so here's how the Guardian's spinning this. I mean
Speaker 12: they are just like they're the Azvestia of the twenty
Speaker 12: first century, you know, in the West. So they're saying
Speaker 12: police declared an unlawful assembly alert, and a spokesperson for
Speaker 12: the four said the Virginia National Guard was called to
Speaker 12: closely monitored the situation, will be able to rapidly respond
Speaker 12: provide additional assistance if needed. What unlawful assembly? But the
Speaker 12: demonstration it wasn't a protest, it was a demonstration, the
Speaker 12: initial one. They had a permit, right according to Andy Anyway,
Speaker 12: they had a permit and it was recognized by the
Speaker 12: c LU. So what So what they're saying the Guardians
Speaker 12: reporting the unlawful assembly is Antifa, but they're not saying
Speaker 12: Antifa in the article there's there's stating a fact, which
Speaker 12: is the police have declared an unlawful assembly alert, but
Speaker 12: they're not saying who is the unlawful assembler. And this
Speaker 12: is how the media works. It is just amazing how
Speaker 12: they spin things. Unbelievable.
Speaker 17: Yeah, that's a big miss on on their.
Speaker 12: Part, huge, huge, I'll drop I'll drop this article in
Speaker 12: the chat box here. I mean, you see this all
Speaker 12: the time, so they're clearly taking their spinning aside and God,
Speaker 12: and they call us fake news, unbelievable. You know, we're
Speaker 12: getting hacked by Google, you know, I'm sorry, hacked our
Speaker 12: search our search engine, uh, getting hacked off by Google
Speaker 12: and buried. And then they're allowed to put this stuff
Speaker 12: out and this is like, you know, totally okay, and
Speaker 12: it's completely misleading. This report.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. The big giant headline at CNN dot
Speaker 1: com Terror in Virginia, speeding car rams crowd.
Speaker 12: Oh beautiful, send me that link.
Speaker 1: I love that one counter protester killed nineteen hurt at
Speaker 1: white nationalist rally in Charlottesville that was not built as
Speaker 1: a white nationalist rally. It was billed as unite the right.
Speaker 1: So the language here is amazing.
Speaker 12: Yeah, So, I mean, we got propaganda coming out of
Speaker 12: right years these days, big times. It's amazing.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys have seen this.
Speaker 14: I've managed to get some access through another means to
Speaker 14: see what cnovic has been tweeting retweeting, for example, and
Speaker 14: there's reports coming in of a helicopter crush in Charlottesville.
Speaker 14: I don't know if you guys want to jump on
Speaker 14: to Twitter and just just to help you confirm that.
Speaker 2: But that's that's what I'm reading now.
Speaker 14: Just trying to cross check that with a with a
Speaker 14: couple of other agencies.
Speaker 2: But that seems that seems pretty serious.
Speaker 12: Oh wow, yeah, yeah, okay, So again, Molly mceue, Molly mceue,
Speaker 12: that's mc k e ws. It's like a Louise Mensch vibe.
Speaker 12: I'm getting here. She just tweets, She just tweeted, we
Speaker 12: need to have a conversation about what is happening today
Speaker 12: in Charlottesville and Russian influence.
Speaker 1: Whoa yeah, Putin was driving the Dodge. I see totally, totally.
Speaker 14: Everyone from the UK news agencies, NBC bookers have been
Speaker 14: tweeting on this. Cnovich retweet the guy who took this
Speaker 14: helicopter video I think the aftermath of the crash. It's
Speaker 14: at Simon Underscore Raider a r R a d e
Speaker 14: R at Simon Underscore Raider. So a lot of the
Speaker 14: news agencies are now asking them about the footage and
Speaker 14: they're you know, they're getting them to the d M
Speaker 14: them about this so.
Speaker 2: Mail online video.
Speaker 14: That's the daily fail in the in the UK, NBC
Speaker 14: they've been Shiman in their booker has been looking for
Speaker 14: more information as well. So there seems to be some
Speaker 14: more movement with with some other stuff that's been happening
Speaker 14: in Charlott's for as we as we.
Speaker 12: Speak, Louise mench she is what she got to say.
Speaker 2: It was it was Russian agents.
Speaker 14: I mean she she's probably blaming this this young kid
Speaker 14: has been a being a putin bot or or something
Speaker 14: like that.
Speaker 12: Wow, God amazing. And then you know, look at Artie
Speaker 12: America's coverage on this. It's completely like on the extreme left,
Speaker 12: you know, the extreme left, totally anti Trump.
Speaker 1: So how's Russia? You know, yeah, Russia and the all
Speaker 1: this it's just I don't know, man, They're just throwing
Speaker 1: everything at it. It's like, oh, something bad and let's
Speaker 1: take everything we possibly have about Trump and the right
Speaker 1: and just throw it all at the wall and see
Speaker 1: what sticks until the story actually comes out.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of not liking Mike at the moment.
Speaker 14: I think I'm going to switch off him because he
Speaker 14: said forty seven minutes ago that the best journalist and
Speaker 14: today wasn't from the mainstream, it was from people like
Speaker 14: Faith Goldie and even BuzzFeed to Blaker's doesn't. So I
Speaker 14: think I'm going to switch them off for a while
Speaker 14: because I certainly don't like Faith Goldie, who was one
Speaker 14: of Ezra Levant's finest along with Gavin McGuinness.
Speaker 12: At all. So it's Goldie.
Speaker 2: Sorry, Mike, it's good night.
Speaker 12: Hey. Speaking of did you guys see the interview with
Speaker 12: Jordan Peterson and James Moore is that his name?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 19: Yes, yes, it's really good and I mean excellent conversation,
Speaker 19: you know, and it's a total poll or opposite of
Speaker 19: that stuff on Maull and you whatever the hell's name
Speaker 19: is had the Google guy on and basically used it
Speaker 19: as an excuse to talk about himself and his views
Speaker 19: for like a whole hour practically, and you know, on
Speaker 19: a total ego trip loves the sound of his own voice.
Speaker 12: Stefan does. And then I watched Jordan Peterson and it was,
Speaker 12: you know, Google guy didn't talk too much, but it
Speaker 12: was a really really good conversation. I mean it was
Speaker 12: like you I learned something, yeah, you know, And I
Speaker 12: was very impressed with Jordan Peterson, very I mean amazing.
Speaker 14: Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, Clinical clinical professor of psychology.
Speaker 14: He's been the guy who's been very active against Bill
Speaker 14: C sixteen, the gender pronoun focus in.
Speaker 2: Canada. He's a very very interesting guy to watch.
Speaker 14: He speaks a lot of sense and his YouTube videos
Speaker 14: are fantastic.
Speaker 2: He's got a huge Patreon following.
Speaker 14: I mean, there are people out there that're donating somewhere
Speaker 14: in the regional between fifty to sixty thousand dollars a
Speaker 14: month via Patreon for this guy to do. You know,
Speaker 14: a lot of seemingly great work out there. So I
Speaker 14: think this is just the beginning for Jordan Peterson. I
Speaker 14: think he's he's going to be floating more in the
Speaker 14: mainstream in the weeks and months to come with with
Speaker 14: the plans that he's got.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but he's not like the theo's rebel media types.
Speaker 12: He's sort of he's real.
Speaker 2: But they're adopting them part. That's the thing.
Speaker 14: I mean, you have the likes of you know, Tommy Robinson,
Speaker 14: you know God Sad and all these other people who
Speaker 14: are looking to get someone as credible as as Jordan
Speaker 14: Peterson and take them into this rebel media as relevance fold,
Speaker 14: which I don't like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that's that's not cool.
Speaker 12: That's to discredit you. That's that's the only reason they
Speaker 12: do that. And those that's why those outlets exist as
Speaker 12: well as is honey pot people that they can bring
Speaker 12: in and then just basically they've got them and at
Speaker 12: that point no one will take them seriously again, So
Speaker 12: that's why they're there. They exist on that basis, you know,
Speaker 12: clearly ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully Jordan Peterson will will break out of that
Speaker 1: whole cycle. It seems like he's got enough organic support
Speaker 1: just on his own to not need those those types
Speaker 1: of people backing him. So let's hope that he sticks
Speaker 1: with that, because he really is a great speaker, you know,
Speaker 1: And I thought it was so awesome the first time
Speaker 1: I saw him lay out his how to have Antifa
Speaker 1: not show up at your speaking engagement or your rally,
Speaker 1: so simple he said, schedule it at eight am or
Speaker 1: nine am. They won't even be out of bed yet.
Speaker 12: Who said that? Oh brilliant? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just some of the he's just so common sense,
Speaker 1: you know. I really like, I really like hearing him
Speaker 1: so far, and I think I think when he was
Speaker 1: on Rogan's podcast that really probably just launched him into
Speaker 1: a whole new sphere of listeners there too, you know,
Speaker 1: because Rogan has got such a huge, huge audience for
Speaker 1: his podcast and it seemed to really pick up for
Speaker 1: Jordan after that, right, yeah, yeah, stark difference there though,
Speaker 1: between his his chat and molin New's chat.
Speaker 12: Oh gosh, night and day.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even make it through an hour of molon
Speaker 1: you're talking to that guy. As interested as I was
Speaker 1: in James's.
Speaker 12: Story, Molineu comes off is very stuck up and like
Speaker 12: some sort of intellectual elite, and people call him a philosopher,
Speaker 12: and I'm like, what is he published in philosophy? Has
Speaker 12: he written any does he have any peer reviewed papers?
Speaker 12: Does he have any philosophy books? Does he have a book?
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe he does, but I think he's got one coming out. Actually,
Speaker 2: I think there's something on route away here.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's it's pointless for someone like that even
Speaker 12: to put out a book because all they do is
Speaker 12: sit there and flap their gums on YouTube for like
Speaker 12: ten years, and who would want to buy a book
Speaker 12: from them? You know, because I've just said just about
Speaker 12: anything that can possibly be set, uh, you know, it's
Speaker 12: nothing it's ridiculous. You know, this is a ridiculous character. Really,
Speaker 12: they're just it's this, this YouTube type pundit that that's
Speaker 12: all they do is just talk talk talk. You know.
Speaker 12: He hasn't written any serious papers or position papers on
Speaker 12: anything that I that I've seen or know of. He's
Speaker 12: so he's just known for his YouTube videos, which is
Speaker 12: basically looking at a screen and reading off PowerPoint presentations,
Speaker 12: which is what he did for years. I think he's
Speaker 12: starting to add lib now because people have caught onto
Speaker 12: it and sort of complaining about it, So he's starting
Speaker 12: to actually talk now. But I mean, after how many
Speaker 12: years of reading off his cue cards, watching his eyeballs
Speaker 12: go from left to right all his videos, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: I'm probably just quite a skilled I'm.
Speaker 12: So smart, you know, I'm so any who can't do
Speaker 12: that bring up some wikied copy and paste some Wikipedia
Speaker 12: stuff and then put into an order, and then you're
Speaker 12: an expert on bitcoin or the migrant crisis or whatever
Speaker 12: reading other people's work. Basically, it's like, wow, fantastic, you're
Speaker 12: so smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, great, exactly.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think he's probably heard us call him out
Speaker 1: on that a few times because I've noticed the same.
Speaker 1: Now he's trying to do more impromptu stuff, more interviews,
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and I don't know that that. I
Speaker 1: just couldn't even make it through that one with James.
Speaker 17: Yeah, So what was the last we heard on Andy
Speaker 17: or what I missed that part? Oh, he's apparently in
Speaker 17: the eye of the storm. Huh.
Speaker 1: He made it out, He weathered the storm, he made
Speaker 1: it out. He was he was there to be pushed
Speaker 1: around by the riot police, told to disperse, told that
Speaker 1: his and his compadre's rally was unlawful, that they had
Speaker 1: to break up, and he even received some tear gas
Speaker 1: and a couple of a little bit of man handling
Speaker 1: from some of the riot police. There. There's some great
Speaker 1: footage of it. He had his uh, his cell phone
Speaker 1: running the whole time, so up on his YouTube page. Uh,
Speaker 1: anybody can go check that out. I recommend you do.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. You see Andy versus the police state
Speaker 1: boiler room zone Andy Nowicki versus.
Speaker 12: Yeah, he's writing in the thick of it, new Wicky
Speaker 12: was Newicky was locking arms with Spencer down there and
Speaker 12: imagine that the umpire police coming. Yeah, that's mental.
Speaker 2: Yeahl's finest.
Speaker 1: I've never heard Andy raise his voice like that before,
Speaker 1: so he had his war face on for sure today.
Speaker 12: Yeah, seriously, that was Yeah. I haven't looked at all
Speaker 12: his videos yet, but I'll try to. Maybe we'll repost
Speaker 12: some of those some new wiki action definitely.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're they're ripe for it. There, there's some
Speaker 1: good short videos.
Speaker 12: And let's get him on the Sunday Wire tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, sounds good.
Speaker 12: I'll get a play by play, let's find out what
Speaker 12: really happened.
Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, you guys, well funks all, I know
Speaker 1: you got to get out of here, man. So thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us today.
Speaker 2: No, it's good. It was great you guys. It's been
Speaker 2: a great round table chating.
Speaker 14: Thanks once again to Patrick for bring some great points
Speaker 14: via the RT live feed and for coming on with us.
Speaker 14: It was very sensed, very very based, and much appreciated.
Speaker 14: And what I certainly took away from you guys is that, yeah,
Speaker 14: it's very important to stay based and use a little
Speaker 14: bit more skepticism in these particular cases and let the
Speaker 14: dust settle and then start to put things back together
Speaker 14: bit by bit by bit. And as we've seen, we
Speaker 14: think we've got a lead, we've got a scoop, we've
Speaker 14: got something that we're willing to bite down on.
Speaker 2: But then it changes and it just blows in your face.
Speaker 14: So that's that's the current state of affairs of what's
Speaker 14: happening right.
Speaker 9: Hey.
Speaker 12: Also, if you find out any more on this perpetrator,
Speaker 12: you're welcome to also come on and join us tomorrow
Speaker 12: Funk Soul on the Sunday Wire. We can sure thing, Yeah,
Speaker 12: flesh this out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure thing. Yeah, I'll be in touch.
Speaker 14: If it's if it's something that is not that it
Speaker 14: checks out, you know, fight based, if it's if it's
Speaker 14: if it's rock solid and I can bite myself up
Speaker 14: at this all I'll get in consent and we can
Speaker 14: we can roll that out of the show.
Speaker 2: That'll be that'd be great stuff.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, awesome, awesome, all.
Speaker 1: Right, look forward to good Okay, great, so folks all,
Speaker 1: thanks for being here once again, Randy Jay, You got
Speaker 1: any any final thoughts on this before we cut the stream.
Speaker 17: Well, I'll add to one of Patrick's comments on on
Speaker 17: RT earlier, and that is I look out my my
Speaker 17: window here in California, and I see a couple of
Speaker 17: kids riding a bike and in the distance it looks
Speaker 17: like just two people talking in front of a car,
Speaker 17: not fighting. No, no buildings burning. Yeah, that's not the
Speaker 17: United States at large. It's just where all the cameras
Speaker 17: are at to make it, you know, to sort of
Speaker 17: get on film these organizers that clashed, one with the permit,
Speaker 17: one group with a permit, and the other the other
Speaker 17: one via.
Speaker 9: Hashtag campaign.
Speaker 12: So all is well and good in the Inland Empire. Yes, yep,
Speaker 12: there's no riots, no no one looting or burning anything.
Speaker 17: Race is getting along. I mean, it's it's it's almost
Speaker 17: a utopia.
Speaker 12: Nice. It's good to hear. It's good to hear. It's
Speaker 12: not all that bad.
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Randy, j Okay, Patrick, anything else you
Speaker 1: want to cover before we cut the stream here, I'll
Speaker 1: make sure and let everybody know tonight on hash and
Speaker 1: session to join us for Sunday Wire tomorrow, of course,
Speaker 1: which will be at nine a m. P Civic eleventh
Speaker 1: Central noon Eastern absolutely five pm across the pond.
Speaker 12: You got it. Let's do it, all.
Speaker 1: Right, okay, great, looking forward to continuing this coverage tomorrow
Speaker 1: on the Sunday Wire with you, and thanks for jumping
Speaker 1: on the call. With us. Really appreciate your input.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and is Randy still there? Yes, Hey, if you
Speaker 12: want to talk North Korea, I just put a major
Speaker 12: piece up that's been republished by Ron Paul on North Korea.
Speaker 12: It's up at twenty first century war dot com. And
Speaker 12: if you want to come and chat about North Korea tomorrow,
Speaker 12: we're definitely going to talk about that because that's also important.
Speaker 9: Okay, you got it.
Speaker 12: Okay, we'll work it out, work out the times with
Speaker 12: Sure and stuff and we'll let you know. But yeah,
Speaker 12: that would be cool. Yeah, it's just some big, big
Speaker 12: stuff going on with that.
Speaker 1: Good deal sounds good, So looking forward to Sunday Wire tomorrow.
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