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Speaker 1: on Twitter, Ran, how are you doing this evening?
Speaker 2: Doing well?
Speaker 1: Then?
Speaker 2: Are you? I?
Speaker 3: I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1: We're following up a four touchdown, no interception slaughter of
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 3: Hyper Bo Nix's has never been higher.
Speaker 1: I remember you had him as the second highest ranked
Speaker 1: quarterback on your board before the draft, and if you'd
Speaker 1: like to take a victory lap, I'm certainly here for that.
Speaker 1: Football is not gonna spike itself. But you know, the
Speaker 1: question is are you a little bo curious about Bo
Speaker 1: being the franchise quarterback for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 2: As much as I would love to spike that football
Speaker 2: and pat myself on the back, the reality is I
Speaker 2: have to approach this as an analyst, which means I
Speaker 2: have to do so objectively, and there's a difference between
Speaker 2: what I want to be true, what may be true,
Speaker 2: and what may eventually be true. So certainly it's trending
Speaker 2: far closer to a yes than a Now, it's been
Speaker 2: an impressive, really nine game run. Now for two rough
Speaker 2: games to start off the season. You know, you should
Speaker 2: be AFC Rookie of the Week back to back weeks
Speaker 2: after being you know, Offensive Rookie of the Month in October.
Speaker 2: She's been tearing up the stat sheets in that in
Speaker 2: that nine game run lated one hundred and eighty eight
Speaker 2: two hundred and eighty so that sixty seven percent of
Speaker 2: his passes over two thousand total yards, eighteen total touchdowns
Speaker 2: to only one turnover, that no loss fumbles all year.
Speaker 2: So yeah, bo Nix is as hot as I said
Speaker 2: during the offseason, perhaps even more so. I still think
Speaker 2: we have to pump the brakes a little bit and
Speaker 2: we still need a little bit of a bigger sample size.
Speaker 2: PERFOREM ready to any of.
Speaker 3: The franchise quarterback Well what you calling bo hot like
Speaker 3: you did? Maybe you are a little bow curious there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, give it all the positives and particularly
Speaker 1: both dominance over the last two weeks. Do you think
Speaker 1: he's entered the NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year discussion
Speaker 1: there with Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 2: I think you've entered the discussion, and you know, certainly
Speaker 2: eleven games into the season, I would still say that
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels is the clear favorite. Statistically by almost every measure,
Speaker 2: whether we're talking completion percentage, passing, yard yards per drop back,
Speaker 2: yards per attempt, touchdown passes he has fewer, right, but
Speaker 2: he's still a low interception percentage like bow higher passer
Speaker 2: I think by nearly ten points, and a little bit
Speaker 2: more efficient per carry on the ground. They both have
Speaker 2: four lesson touchdowns. It's really those two games at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the year then that I think is going
Speaker 2: to hold Gough Nicks out of eventually winning the award.
Speaker 2: I do believe it's conceivable that by the end of
Speaker 2: the year, even if Daniels is named NFL Offensive with
Speaker 2: You of the Year, and it would be deservedly so,
Speaker 2: I think it's possible that you could make an argument
Speaker 2: for Bo having had the more impressive season. And that's
Speaker 2: really all we can talk about eleven games in. I think,
Speaker 2: given the disparity between the two plane situations, and given
Speaker 2: just how well he's been playing over the last nine
Speaker 2: and just how high a feeling has been, especially over
Speaker 2: the last two weeks, I like the way Bo's playing
Speaker 2: more than the way that Jay Daniels is playing. In
Speaker 2: terms of altogether big picture, is he going to end
Speaker 2: up winning the award. It's certainly a discussion now, especially
Speaker 2: after last week, but Jaydan Daniels is still still ahead
Speaker 2: of him by a few inches.
Speaker 1: Talking to Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter right,
Speaker 1: as much as all of us want instant gratification, and
Speaker 1: certainly the Broncos are extra thirsty for quarterback gratification, they
Speaker 1: post Peyton Manning era. Would you rather have a young
Speaker 1: quarterback dominate as a rookie similar to st J Stroud
Speaker 1: did his first year, although he's taking kind of a
Speaker 1: step back this year, or as a sophomore like Peyton
Speaker 1: Manning who started off poorly but then dominated.
Speaker 3: From basically your two on, it's a.
Speaker 2: Good question, and I think the what you framed it
Speaker 2: pretty much answers it.
Speaker 3: For me.
Speaker 2: I would rather have given a choice see dominance in
Speaker 2: the quarterback sophomore season, because as we saw with CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 2: and I cautioned people who were very optimistic about him
Speaker 2: last year, statistically, whether we're talking analytics, mart's run, general efficiency,
Speaker 2: he was a top three NFL quarterback as a rookie.
Speaker 2: He produced arguably the greatest rookie passing seaman we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: If you adjusted for era there are a number of
Speaker 2: other quarterbacks that enter the discussion. I think that something
Speaker 2: that people don't necessarily account for is just how much
Speaker 2: of an impact it has when defensive coaches have more
Speaker 2: All twenty two film to study. So we've seen CJ.
Speaker 2: Scroud certainly take a step back from being a top
Speaker 2: three overall NFL quarterback, and he's about average, below average
Speaker 2: by some metrics, slightly above average by others. So I
Speaker 2: would rather see what we saw out of Peyton Manning
Speaker 2: the second year. I can speak from my own experience
Speaker 2: having coached in Europe, having coached in the IFL. Yet
Speaker 2: it's not the exact same level, certainly, but it was
Speaker 2: always been a tremendous disadvantage for me as a defensive
Speaker 2: assistant to not have coaches film to study on a
Speaker 2: quarterback who's coming up that week. So it's certainly at
Speaker 2: the NFL level, I think it's even more inful. I'm
Speaker 2: very happy to see Bonnick's playing so well so early,
Speaker 2: but as we've seen with CJ. Stroud, we have to
Speaker 2: pump the brakes a little bit because he does have
Speaker 2: the advantage of the coaches don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: All twenty two come to study.
Speaker 3: Just said, well, yeah, I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen, you know, as coaches get an
Speaker 1: off season and all that tape, yere's where the tape
Speaker 1: and an off season of prep for a guide, it
Speaker 1: suddenly they've got to adjust encounter a judge. We look
Speaker 1: forward to seeing what BO does as far as that
Speaker 1: stuff goes. What are your projections for BO and the
Speaker 1: offense in the coming weeks and really the rest of
Speaker 1: this season.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm certainly optimistic about the upcoming schedule. Right games
Speaker 2: against the Raiders and against Cleveland are very very winnable.
Speaker 2: The Colts game is a very very winnable game. The
Speaker 2: Chargers and Chiefs down the stretch are going to be
Speaker 2: very difficult. And even though the Dangles don't have a
Speaker 2: strong win loss record, obviously Joe Burrow's playing the position
Speaker 2: at an elite level. So that game against Cincinnati is
Speaker 2: going to be a tremendous challenge. If we can win
Speaker 2: nine games, then I would consider that an overachievement, and
Speaker 2: certainly believe the over under was five and a half,
Speaker 2: so we've already surpassed that. But you can't take any
Speaker 2: wings for granted. You know, the schedule looks favorable over
Speaker 2: the next three games, but we've forgot to put in
Speaker 2: the work.
Speaker 1: Talking with Ryan Michael at the Ryan Michael on Twitter, Ryan,
Speaker 1: you know I talked a little bit earlier and I
Speaker 1: tweeted out I saw you've since dovetailed off that with
Speaker 1: some numbers about this growing sentiment on social media from
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers fans as they try to talk themselves
Speaker 1: out of Kyle Shanahan.
Speaker 3: Okay, you know the entire league.
Speaker 1: Is trying to try and adopt his offense, say, went
Speaker 1: coaches off his staff, and you got these spoiled forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers fans out here, like, you know what, the
Speaker 1: grass is greener. I forget the Jim Thomsulla, Chip Kelly Era,
Speaker 1: forget by Mike Singletary, the Mike Nolan Arris, you.
Speaker 3: Know, forget all that the grass is greener. We can
Speaker 3: get somebody.
Speaker 1: Better than the guy the entire league wants right now
Speaker 1: by firing him.
Speaker 3: As I look at the the just the ludicrous.
Speaker 1: Nature of this forty nine Ers fans trying to talk
Speaker 1: themselves out of Kyle Shanahan by claiming you can't win.
Speaker 3: The big one. Where where do we come down on that?
Speaker 1: And where do we come down on how ridiculous it
Speaker 1: would be for the Niners to fire Kyle Shanahan Right now,
Speaker 1: it's one.
Speaker 2: Of the most mind numbing football takes that I've seen
Speaker 2: all people. It might be the absolute worse. And Lord knows,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of bad ones out there, you know,
Speaker 2: Kyle Sanahan is somebody who is you know, two fourth
Speaker 2: quarter slash overtime performances away. Had those games gone the
Speaker 2: other way in San Francisco, and certainly if things went
Speaker 2: different for Atlanta in twenty sixteen, we'd be talking about
Speaker 2: him as a future Hall of Famer. So people have
Speaker 2: to remember he inherited a two win forty nine er team.
Speaker 2: He's led them to win totals of thirteen, thirteen, twelve,
Speaker 2: and ten. He got Hall of Fame caliber efficiency out
Speaker 2: of Jimmy Garoppolo, and Jimmy Garoppolo is a fine quarterback,
Speaker 2: but there were stretches of time where he was producing
Speaker 2: efficiency marks that were comparable to Patrick Mahomes, Andrew Breese
Speaker 2: and Brock Purty enters the conversation right seventh round quarterback.
Speaker 2: He led the NFL in passer rating last year. He
Speaker 2: led the NFL and the adjusted net yards for attend
Speaker 2: by a country mile nine point zero one. Second place
Speaker 2: is seven point four eight. I believe it was tu
Speaker 2: and he set the NFL's all time single season record
Speaker 2: for yards for passing attempt at nine point six, a
Speaker 2: record that was previously held depending on the threshold in
Speaker 2: terms of number of attempts Matt Ryan also under Kyle
Speaker 2: Shannahand in twenty and sixteen, I believe Matt averaged nine
Speaker 2: point three yards for passing attempts. And yet the Niners
Speaker 2: are five and five, they have the top eight offense
Speaker 2: and average defense. Statistically, it is really what have you
Speaker 2: done for me lately? Kind of world? If we're talking
Speaker 2: about firing Kyle Shanagan. Unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems ludicrous to me.
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals to the top that division right now, But
Speaker 1: all the other teams are five and five, one game back.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're they're really out of it as
Speaker 1: far as any of that goes. And in the NFC,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not really out of it a five
Speaker 1: hundred anyway, it's closed a week of conference.
Speaker 3: So I just found that whole narrative.
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, a bit frustrating and laughable as
Speaker 1: you have a fan base who is so spoiled that
Speaker 1: you would sit there. You know what, Kyle Shanahan actually sucks.
Speaker 1: We should go out there and you know, we should
Speaker 1: go out there and get the next Nate Hackett.
Speaker 3: It's uh, you know, it's it's it's it's it's.
Speaker 1: It's a ludicrous to see what what people will talk
Speaker 1: themselves into. Uh, you talked a little bit instat gratification earlier,
Speaker 1: So it's ludicrous where people talk themselves into talking with
Speaker 1: Ryan Michael.
Speaker 3: Let the Ryan Michael on Twitter.
Speaker 1: Looking over at the Jacksonville Jaguars, you know they've had
Speaker 1: to start mac Jones lately because the injury to Trevor,
Speaker 1: to Trevor Lawrence, and uh, presumably the coaching staff they're
Speaker 1: about to be fired, front office probably getting cleaned out
Speaker 1: as well. Off the top of your head and maybe
Speaker 1: putting you on the spot a little bit here, but
Speaker 1: what what coaching staff? What coach would you would you
Speaker 1: pair with Trevor Lawrence to try to get the most
Speaker 1: out of him going forward.
Speaker 2: That's a really really difficult question because you have to
Speaker 2: ask yourself who would want to take over that position
Speaker 2: and do ball they've been the losing this franchise in
Speaker 2: the NFL since twenty eleven. They've had, I believe eight
Speaker 2: different head coaches if you include the interim head coaches.
Speaker 2: So Ben Johnson is obviously the name that people have
Speaker 2: been talking about, and I think that would be a
Speaker 2: great fit. Trevor Warren's is the guy that you know
Speaker 2: how high I am on Trevor Lawrence. Some numbers for
Speaker 2: him despite playing in arguably the worst situation in terms
Speaker 2: of franchise, personnel, coaching, the combination of all those things.
Speaker 2: Before he was shut down due to injury, and we'll
Speaker 2: see if he comes back, still ranked top ten in
Speaker 2: TOTALQBR adjusted EPA for play, touchdown passes, passing yards, first
Speaker 2: downs passing Trevor Lawrence. You could make the argument and
Speaker 2: it's had the most impressive single season of his career,
Speaker 2: which I know people will laugh at. They'll be very
Speaker 2: dismissive of that. But when you consider the defense ranked
Speaker 2: dead lasting yards per play at the time they shut
Speaker 2: him down dead laugh and passer rating surrendered. To still
Speaker 2: show up and keep the Jags competitive in a lot
Speaker 2: of those games, I think it's the testament to who
Speaker 2: he is as a quarterback, especially when healthy. So Ben
Speaker 2: Johnson is the name that I'm sure they're going to
Speaker 2: be targeting. I don't think there's any easy fix because
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson did a lot of good things, especially in
Speaker 2: his first two years. You look at two nine win
Speaker 2: seasons in Jacksonville, and obviously this year has been a disaster,
Speaker 2: but there's two nine win seasons. Especially twenty twenty two
Speaker 2: he had a one quarter away from the ANFC Championship.
Speaker 2: So it's a tough place down there and do well.
Speaker 2: I hope they figure it out.
Speaker 1: It's interesting because the career of Doug Peterson is fascinating
Speaker 1: to me. Instant success followed by it falling apart, you know,
Speaker 1: over the next couple of years. It was the same
Speaker 1: thing in Philadelphia, where you know, he sort of inherited
Speaker 1: everything that Andy Reid did and then you know, got
Speaker 1: him a Super Bowl and then everything just sort of
Speaker 1: fell apart from there, leading to his ouster and then
Speaker 1: you know, Jacksonville, early on, the wins came pretty quickly,
Speaker 1: you know, and it looked like he might be building
Speaker 1: something there and then the wheels just came off, and
Speaker 1: I wonder if I wonder what that's attributed to you know,
Speaker 1: he gets you know, he gets players to rally around
Speaker 1: him early, and then it just wears off. Is there
Speaker 1: something that that he's not changing that everybody's keying in on.
Speaker 1: I don't know what, but it appears that Doug Peterson
Speaker 1: in the second stand has largely mirrored the first and
Speaker 1: without the top end success.
Speaker 2: I can tell you the play calling has been an
Speaker 2: absolute mess in Drecksonsville this season. It's one of many problems.
Speaker 2: But you know, to your point earlier about Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 2: could you imagine if the San Francisco forty nine ers
Speaker 2: let him go after they finished sixth and ten in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, You know, he comes back with three consecutive
Speaker 2: double digit win season, so they still have a shot
Speaker 2: at doing that this year. Maybe they'll finish the eight
Speaker 2: or nine wins this what have you done formul lately? Culture,
Speaker 2: I think is a problem, and the Jagglars have a
Speaker 2: lot more problem. So by no means am I suggesting
Speaker 2: that Doug Peterson is Kyle Shanahan. I think Kyle Shanahan's
Speaker 2: one of the finest coaches of our generation. But it's
Speaker 2: a collaborative team effort and the fact that they never
Speaker 2: sigured out the defensive side of the ball certainly hasn't
Speaker 2: help the situation, because when you have what we have
Speaker 2: here in Broncos Country, a top five, top three defense,
Speaker 2: it really covers up a lot of imperfections on the
Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball. I mean, now we're I believe,
Speaker 2: the twentieth ranked scoring offense in the NFL and we're
Speaker 2: on the heels of our most impressive offensive performance of
Speaker 2: the season by far. So hats off to Sean Payton
Speaker 2: GIF Sean Payton love this week for sure, but the
Speaker 2: defense has been the core of our success this year,
Speaker 2: for the reason why we're over five hundred. And if
Speaker 2: you don't have that luxury on the other side of
Speaker 2: the football, it's very, very difficult to keep morale up
Speaker 2: in the locker room that it is.
Speaker 1: Talking with Royan Michael at the Ryan Michael lest a
Speaker 1: couple of questions here, Ryan, as we hit it back
Speaker 1: to the Denver Broncos. You just got through talking about
Speaker 1: that defense, and what we've seen is that the defense
Speaker 1: for the Broadcos has played lights out and it's not
Speaker 1: getting its flowers for that game against Atlanta because the offense,
Speaker 1: you know, put up so many points, but they held
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons to six points. I think that if
Speaker 1: you'd asked before the game if Denver was more likely
Speaker 1: to score thirty four or hold Atlanta to six, I
Speaker 1: think most people would have said Broncos were more likely
Speaker 1: to score thirty four. It was surprisingly effective against it offense.
Speaker 1: It's loaded with skill position weapons. But I guess the
Speaker 1: question that I'm sort of circling the drain on here
Speaker 1: is what is the bigger boone to bow Nicks Having
Speaker 1: a defense like that at his back where the pressures
Speaker 1: not on him, or having an offensive line that appears
Speaker 1: to be graded out as the top offensive line in
Speaker 1: football right now to keep him clean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thankfully he doesn't have to choose because he has both, right,
Speaker 2: and those are both testaments to just how successful we
Speaker 2: were during the offseason. It's quarterback's best friend is to
Speaker 2: have protection upfront and to have stability on the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the football. I think back to what Mark
Speaker 2: Sanchez did in the late two thousand and nine twenty
Speaker 2: ten in that run, and certainly Bonix I think was
Speaker 2: a much better quarterback prospect than Sanchez ever was, and
Speaker 2: already a better quarterback than Sanchez ever was. But what
Speaker 2: a benefit it was to a young rookie quarterback to
Speaker 2: step into a situation with the lead defense on the
Speaker 2: other end of the football. So thankfully both has both.
Speaker 2: And I know there are a lot of people who
Speaker 2: are impatient complaining about the skill position players look in
Speaker 2: salary cap, how we're not going to have everything. So
Speaker 2: to have arguably the best offensive line the football, arguably
Speaker 2: the defensive football, and arguably the best rookie quarterback in
Speaker 2: the NFL tinkling in a good spot.
Speaker 3: I tend to agree with you. I'm looking forward to
Speaker 3: our Raiders.
Speaker 1: Week where we're probably going to be coming away with
Speaker 1: another dub. We have a lot of talk about next week. Ryan,
Speaker 1: always appreciate you dropping by Budd My pleasure absolutely
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