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<v Speaker 1>Time for law and disordered. I demand a lawyer with

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<v Speaker 1>attorney Jeff Kaufman on one oh one one w j R.

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<v Speaker 2>O right, don't grill me because I didn't play a

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<v Speaker 2>second Metallica song. Just didn't have time there to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>And I hate it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you tease our listeners along like that, Lynchers. At

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<v Speaker 1>some point, Oh, actually just turned on the other other

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<v Speaker 1>light form.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point. We will play a double dose of

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<v Speaker 2>Metallica this morning, which will alert you to start calling

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<v Speaker 2>and try to be the tenth caller and win tickets

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<v Speaker 2>for their show next year.

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<v Speaker 1>Tenth caller Kaufman is going to win tickets for Friday

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<v Speaker 1>Nights Metallic Cash show in this right, June. In June.

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<v Speaker 3>That's gonna be a nice concert. Oh yes, it's somebodys

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<v Speaker 3>all week. We have Metallica tickets. You just listen for

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<v Speaker 3>two in a row. Like Lyncher said, do they still

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<v Speaker 3>do the pit? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. Jeff Coffin is here. He's a partner at Coffin

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<v Speaker 2>and Lynn find personal injury law firm. If you were

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<v Speaker 2>someone you know who's been injured and you think you

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<v Speaker 2>might need legal presentation, it's worth placing a phone call

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<v Speaker 2>to Jeff just to find out, Hey, here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I need to secure some legal services? Simple to

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<v Speaker 2>get in touch with them? Pound five four to six

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<v Speaker 2>on your cell or four zero seven five hundred, Jeff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's four zero seven five hundred Jeff. Or if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to email Jeff directly Jeff at when you need

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<v Speaker 2>us dot com, which a lot of people do, and

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<v Speaker 2>then a lot of people send in texts.

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<v Speaker 3>Via our our questions via our text line.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to get to some of those here in

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<v Speaker 2>a second quick question. We had a big, high profile

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<v Speaker 2>case come to a close on Friday night here in Orlando. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Sarah Boon suitcase murder trial. The jury got the

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<v Speaker 2>uh was given the case at the end of Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>and it took him an hour and twenty six minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>You should have done that, convict her of a second

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<v Speaker 2>degree murder. Never should have done what put it in

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<v Speaker 2>a suit case?

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<v Speaker 3>I was well, if I.

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<v Speaker 4>Was the defense attorney in this case, you know, never

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<v Speaker 4>would to let it go on a Friday because people

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<v Speaker 4>just want to go home. So how do you stop it?

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<v Speaker 4>You go in front of the judge it listen. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think this is enough time. I think it's six

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<v Speaker 4>point thirty at night. I think these people are going

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<v Speaker 4>to go home. I think, you know, if they're not

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<v Speaker 4>going to come in on Saturday. You know, you this

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<v Speaker 4>takes a little bit to make decisions, but I you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm not saying that things are cut. Normally, if

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<v Speaker 4>a jury's going to find you guilty of murder, they

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<v Speaker 4>take a little longer than.

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<v Speaker 2>An hour hour In twenty six minutes, I'm guessing they

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<v Speaker 2>took him about fifteen minutes and they were like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there for a little while. They're supposed to fake it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they're supposed to say. Other question here, So

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<v Speaker 2>she's convicted of what she was charged with, second degree

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<v Speaker 2>murder of putting her then boyfriend into a suitcase, sipping

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<v Speaker 2>it up, and he suffocated to death in a game

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<v Speaker 2>of adult hide and seek after two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>large bottles of wine.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was video of it, which means she sat

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<v Speaker 1>there in video it correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Why does this is this second degree murder versus

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<v Speaker 2>a first degree murder? I'm not clear how is that determined?

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<v Speaker 3>Normally?

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<v Speaker 4>First degree murder requires premeditation, meaning a plan. Second degree

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<v Speaker 4>requires depray, you know mind, And that one that you're

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<v Speaker 4>just bad. It just to require you to have a plan,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean. And then again, you know there are other issues.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, they both were drinking, and there's no proof

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<v Speaker 4>that she said I no, no, I agree that you

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<v Speaker 4>know that she's a piece.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>But the point, if it is, is that we do

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<v Speaker 4>differentiate because one requires you to go, Okay, let me

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<v Speaker 4>see how I'm doing this. I'm gonna put these steps together.

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<v Speaker 4>One just requires you to be a moron and just

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<v Speaker 4>to do bad stuff. How no one requires kind of

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<v Speaker 4>how do we know that it wasn't premeditated?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any evidence. That's the whole point.

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<v Speaker 4>People don't realize it's not how you feel, it's simply this, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>let me put my case together. What evidence do I have?

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<v Speaker 4>Forget the issues of oh, how I feel or what

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<v Speaker 4>I don't like.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 4>The internet is terrible right now because every time you

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<v Speaker 4>hear somebody you know get involved in something like this,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone suddenly thinks they went to law school for three

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<v Speaker 4>years and practice law.

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<v Speaker 3>For twenty and they did. That's true.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it should be sentenced to at least for fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>probably more. But she's also got four already on the

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<v Speaker 2>books that she served, so who knows. In December, the

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<v Speaker 2>judge will lay out the sentencing.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you have probation for life, you have she could

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<v Speaker 4>hold her and for life, there are a couple of

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<v Speaker 4>things they can do to her. I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 4>the real issue is going to be this one is

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<v Speaker 4>how they actually, you know, interpret what she did. And

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<v Speaker 4>I think this judge is not too happy to begin

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<v Speaker 4>with and I And anytime the case is really public,

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<v Speaker 4>they try to maxim out because they don't want to

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<v Speaker 4>be responsible for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's been national news court TV stream the whole

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<v Speaker 2>broadcast the whole trial.

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<v Speaker 3>That was watching it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, well I watched a little bit of it on vacation,

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<v Speaker 2>but my wife was watching it daily.

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<v Speaker 4>Look look what they're going to TV. Watching what you

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<v Speaker 4>got home from work. Look at what's on with the

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<v Speaker 4>Mendavdas kids. They're going to let them go. They're going

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<v Speaker 4>to let these two out. And sounds like you, what

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<v Speaker 4>do you do? How do you feel on that one?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I've both been in jail for one like thirty

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<v Speaker 4>six years. Well, this is a new policy in California.

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<v Speaker 4>This wasn't set up for these two.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>If you listen to them saying they've done this with

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<v Speaker 4>three hundred murder convictions. You know there's just another two

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<v Speaker 4>put on.

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<v Speaker 3>The pot California.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>You know they don't. You know, some people believe it.

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<v Speaker 4>And I saw this clown car where they're trying to

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<v Speaker 4>wear the stat attorney where the prosecutors are DA they

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<v Speaker 4>call them there, and three people behind him they're just nodding.

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<v Speaker 4>Papa's Yeah, this is good. This is good, and I'm

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<v Speaker 4>wanting people do that. I'm going, come on, dude, these

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<v Speaker 4>families don't want this. Why are you doing this?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I got a couple of while listener questions this morning

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<v Speaker 2>for Jeff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes we do. That's the Sarah Boon one. I will

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<v Speaker 1>throw her right in the trash where she belongs. You said,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're getting your case together, I think you meant

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<v Speaker 1>to say suit their suitcase together, hacking your suitcase?

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<v Speaker 3>This is anymore so?

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<v Speaker 1>Can the victim put a lean on anything he owns for? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's something to do with Friday. I'm sorry that was

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<v Speaker 1>from Friday show. They had it was the person who

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<v Speaker 1>bit the finger off.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Sure, let's go on companies. Slow down on a company,

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<v Speaker 1>slow down on commission. Base wants us to be on

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<v Speaker 1>call and not pass anything working weekends and took away

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<v Speaker 1>our incentives after contract signed.

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<v Speaker 4>Any recourse for this, I guess there's a cut. He

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<v Speaker 4>signed it, they signed it, the union signed it. There's

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of things up in the air, Like let's

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<v Speaker 4>just pretend that there's no union involved. There's no issue.

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<v Speaker 4>The only issue is this that used to be paid

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<v Speaker 4>a commission based plus maybe you know a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>and they're trying to change it now. If you accept it,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a problem. But being if you're hourly, they can't

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<v Speaker 4>force you to work off the clock. Okay, so I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know if you're hourly or salaried, but they can't

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<v Speaker 4>make you work off the clock. Now, if you are

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<v Speaker 4>truly salaried, they can, and you know you have an

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<v Speaker 4>option go somewhere else. They're saying commission based and the

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<v Speaker 4>company wants them to be on call. If I was

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<v Speaker 4>commission based.

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<v Speaker 3>That's well.

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<v Speaker 4>Commission is that you make a certain amount of money. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>when they say on call, it sounds like they have

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<v Speaker 4>people who are calling for business. This happens like in

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<v Speaker 4>a real estate office. When you're calling, you're on the

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<v Speaker 4>round robin where they're calling with new clients and things

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<v Speaker 4>like that. You know, I think on call means that

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<v Speaker 4>you're there to take phone calls from potential clients, not

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<v Speaker 4>that you're now your.

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<v Speaker 3>Customer service come in, is what I take it as well.

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<v Speaker 4>Normally that's because you're getting paid per person you sign up.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, and then the commission's on top of that.

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<v Speaker 1>A friend's boss isn't closing the Oh okay, this is

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<v Speaker 1>for the storm. But this is a great question. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>these storm a couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember a little bit about that train that came

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<v Speaker 1>It was great, exactly, it wasn't fun. But this person's

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<v Speaker 1>business was not closing up and told her she had

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<v Speaker 1>to come to work where she was fired. Yes, could

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<v Speaker 1>they actually require her to be there during the hurricane?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, really it sucks. But yeah, yeah, they can force

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<v Speaker 4>you to be there. But here's the caveat. If you

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<v Speaker 4>got hurt or something bad happened, they would absolutely be

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<v Speaker 4>responsible and most likely have to write a really big check. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>So that's what that's about, you know. So, yes, your

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<v Speaker 4>boss can require you to do things. They can require

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<v Speaker 4>you to do things you don't like to do. But again,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you always have the right to leave, and

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<v Speaker 4>they all and they are responsible if anything bad happened for.

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<v Speaker 3>The next storm here. That's not gonna work. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>I was thinking of.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking a dive underneath the desk clink and gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hit my.

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<v Speaker 4>Ay, we're here for all of them. I guarantee. It's

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<v Speaker 4>quieter in here than it wasn't my place.

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<v Speaker 3>It was pretty Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't hear the wind in this.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in the window coming through here.

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<v Speaker 3>They shake, No, I mean in here. The whole building

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<v Speaker 3>was shaking, all right. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, I was sleeping in the room right next to it.

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<v Speaker 4>I was going to make a city joke, but I can't.

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<v Speaker 4>I want people to know where you are. No, no, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>it's fine, Maitland. Yeah, I was thinking about the joke.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it cleaned up down a little.

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<v Speaker 3>I kid. I know it's right. I know it's a

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<v Speaker 3>right to work state.

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<v Speaker 1>But if work knows that you have a high risk

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy and you have to leave work a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>risk pregnancy, are they allowed to let you go?

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<v Speaker 3>Just fire you because of that?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't I think when it comes to pregnancy and

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<v Speaker 3>So but that's kind of uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. If I was an employer, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>You don't.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't screw around with that. But no, you know

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<v Speaker 4>you fire somebody who's pregnant, you know, I don't. I

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<v Speaker 4>had people who are a long time ago, my last place,

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<v Speaker 4>we had people who are horrible. They were they were

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<v Speaker 4>they did, because you just do not want to open

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<v Speaker 4>yourself up to that because it just the insinuation is bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's almost protected.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it's like you can do whatever you want

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<v Speaker 4>to do. And that's that's because businesses should be scared

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<v Speaker 4>and he should be scared.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm just saying, don't don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Scare Hope, Hope, please listen to me. Don't score around,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, you can get a hold of Jeff anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>If you even get to yours, don't don't don't fret

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<v Speaker 2>that you can call him or reach out to him

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of different avenues.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff at when you need us dot Com or a

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<v Speaker 1>pound five four six on your cell or call him

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<v Speaker 1>directly four zero seven five hundred Jeff, what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Jefs for Kaufman.

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<v Speaker 4>And and we have tickets to our next movie which

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<v Speaker 4>is next week. That's Red One. That's a Santa Claus

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<v Speaker 4>movie for free. Get with me at Jeff at when

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<v Speaker 4>youneed US dot Com for some pre tickets. Also, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>taking about twenty people to Venom tonight. So if you

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<v Speaker 4>want to go to Venom, uh, contact me at Jeff

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<v Speaker 3>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>That's while they last because they will go quick Jeff

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<v Speaker 1>at when you need US dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Jeff coughing for coughing, And then appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>taking the time to join us for Law and Disorder

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<v Speaker 2>every week.

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<v Speaker 3>And avoid suitcases, sir. So come on, it's hot. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's really hard.

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