Speaker 1: Time for law and disordered. I demand a lawyer with
Speaker 1: attorney Jeff Kaufman on one oh one one w j R.
Speaker 2: O right, don't grill me because I didn't play a
Speaker 2: second Metallica song. Just didn't have time there to do it.
Speaker 3: And I hate it.
Speaker 1: When you tease our listeners along like that, Lynchers. At
Speaker 1: some point, Oh, actually just turned on the other other
Speaker 1: light form.
Speaker 2: At some point. We will play a double dose of
Speaker 2: Metallica this morning, which will alert you to start calling
Speaker 2: and try to be the tenth caller and win tickets
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Speaker 1: Tenth caller Kaufman is going to win tickets for Friday
Speaker 1: Nights Metallic Cash show in this right, June. In June.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be a nice concert. Oh yes, it's somebodys
Speaker 3: all week. We have Metallica tickets. You just listen for
Speaker 3: two in a row. Like Lyncher said, do they still
Speaker 3: do the pit? Yes?
Speaker 2: Absolutely. Jeff Coffin is here. He's a partner at Coffin
Speaker 2: and Lynn find personal injury law firm. If you were
Speaker 2: someone you know who's been injured and you think you
Speaker 2: might need legal presentation, it's worth placing a phone call
Speaker 2: to Jeff just to find out, Hey, here's what happened.
Speaker 2: Do I need to secure some legal services? Simple to
Speaker 2: get in touch with them? Pound five four to six
Speaker 2: on your cell or four zero seven five hundred, Jeff.
Speaker 2: That's four zero seven five hundred Jeff. Or if you
Speaker 2: want to email Jeff directly Jeff at when you need
Speaker 2: us dot com, which a lot of people do, and
Speaker 2: then a lot of people send in texts.
Speaker 3: Via our our questions via our text line.
Speaker 2: We want to get to some of those here in
Speaker 2: a second quick question. We had a big, high profile
Speaker 2: case come to a close on Friday night here in Orlando. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Sarah Boon suitcase murder trial. The jury got the
Speaker 2: uh was given the case at the end of Friday,
Speaker 2: and it took him an hour and twenty six minutes.
Speaker 2: You should have done that, convict her of a second
Speaker 2: degree murder. Never should have done what put it in
Speaker 2: a suit case?
Speaker 3: I was well, if I.
Speaker 4: Was the defense attorney in this case, you know, never
Speaker 4: would to let it go on a Friday because people
Speaker 4: just want to go home. So how do you stop it?
Speaker 4: You go in front of the judge it listen. I
Speaker 4: don't think this is enough time. I think it's six
Speaker 4: point thirty at night. I think these people are going
Speaker 4: to go home. I think, you know, if they're not
Speaker 4: going to come in on Saturday. You know, you this
Speaker 4: takes a little bit to make decisions, but I you know,
Speaker 4: and I'm not saying that things are cut. Normally, if
Speaker 4: a jury's going to find you guilty of murder, they
Speaker 4: take a little longer than.
Speaker 2: An hour hour In twenty six minutes, I'm guessing they
Speaker 2: took him about fifteen minutes and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there for a little while. They're supposed to fake it.
Speaker 2: That's what they're supposed to say. Other question here, So
Speaker 2: she's convicted of what she was charged with, second degree
Speaker 2: murder of putting her then boyfriend into a suitcase, sipping
Speaker 2: it up, and he suffocated to death in a game
Speaker 2: of adult hide and seek after two and a half
Speaker 2: large bottles of wine.
Speaker 1: And there was video of it, which means she sat
Speaker 1: there in video it correct.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Why does this is this second degree murder versus
Speaker 2: a first degree murder? I'm not clear how is that determined?
Speaker 3: Normally?
Speaker 4: First degree murder requires premeditation, meaning a plan. Second degree
Speaker 4: requires depray, you know mind, And that one that you're
Speaker 4: just bad. It just to require you to have a plan,
Speaker 4: I mean. And then again, you know there are other issues.
Speaker 4: For example, they both were drinking, and there's no proof
Speaker 4: that she said I no, no, I agree that you
Speaker 4: know that she's a piece.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: But the point, if it is, is that we do
Speaker 4: differentiate because one requires you to go, Okay, let me
Speaker 4: see how I'm doing this. I'm gonna put these steps together.
Speaker 4: One just requires you to be a moron and just
Speaker 4: to do bad stuff. How no one requires kind of
Speaker 4: how do we know that it wasn't premeditated?
Speaker 3: I don't have any evidence. That's the whole point.
Speaker 4: People don't realize it's not how you feel, it's simply this, Okay,
Speaker 4: let me put my case together. What evidence do I have?
Speaker 4: Forget the issues of oh, how I feel or what
Speaker 4: I don't like.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: The internet is terrible right now because every time you
Speaker 4: hear somebody you know get involved in something like this,
Speaker 4: everyone suddenly thinks they went to law school for three
Speaker 4: years and practice law.
Speaker 3: For twenty and they did. That's true.
Speaker 2: Well, it should be sentenced to at least for fifteen years,
Speaker 2: probably more. But she's also got four already on the
Speaker 2: books that she served, so who knows. In December, the
Speaker 2: judge will lay out the sentencing.
Speaker 4: Well, you have probation for life, you have she could
Speaker 4: hold her and for life, there are a couple of
Speaker 4: things they can do to her. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: the real issue is going to be this one is
Speaker 4: how they actually, you know, interpret what she did. And
Speaker 4: I think this judge is not too happy to begin
Speaker 4: with and I And anytime the case is really public,
Speaker 4: they try to maxim out because they don't want to
Speaker 4: be responsible for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's been national news court TV stream the whole
Speaker 2: broadcast the whole trial.
Speaker 3: That was watching it.
Speaker 2: No, well I watched a little bit of it on vacation,
Speaker 2: but my wife was watching it daily.
Speaker 4: Look look what they're going to TV. Watching what you
Speaker 4: got home from work. Look at what's on with the
Speaker 4: Mendavdas kids. They're going to let them go. They're going
Speaker 4: to let these two out. And sounds like you, what
Speaker 4: do you do? How do you feel on that one?
Speaker 4: Because I've both been in jail for one like thirty
Speaker 4: six years. Well, this is a new policy in California.
Speaker 4: This wasn't set up for these two.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: If you listen to them saying they've done this with
Speaker 4: three hundred murder convictions. You know there's just another two
Speaker 4: put on.
Speaker 3: The pot California.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: You know they don't. You know, some people believe it.
Speaker 4: And I saw this clown car where they're trying to
Speaker 4: wear the stat attorney where the prosecutors are DA they
Speaker 4: call them there, and three people behind him they're just nodding.
Speaker 4: Papa's Yeah, this is good. This is good, and I'm
Speaker 4: wanting people do that. I'm going, come on, dude, these
Speaker 4: families don't want this. Why are you doing this?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I got a couple of while listener questions this morning
Speaker 2: for Jeff.
Speaker 1: Yes we do. That's the Sarah Boon one. I will
Speaker 1: throw her right in the trash where she belongs. You said,
Speaker 1: when you're getting your case together, I think you meant
Speaker 1: to say suit their suitcase together, hacking your suitcase?
Speaker 3: This is anymore so?
Speaker 1: Can the victim put a lean on anything he owns for? Oh,
Speaker 1: that's something to do with Friday. I'm sorry that was
Speaker 1: from Friday show. They had it was the person who
Speaker 1: bit the finger off.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, let's go on companies. Slow down on a company,
Speaker 1: slow down on commission. Base wants us to be on
Speaker 1: call and not pass anything working weekends and took away
Speaker 1: our incentives after contract signed.
Speaker 4: Any recourse for this, I guess there's a cut. He
Speaker 4: signed it, they signed it, the union signed it. There's
Speaker 4: a lot of things up in the air, Like let's
Speaker 4: just pretend that there's no union involved. There's no issue.
Speaker 4: The only issue is this that used to be paid
Speaker 4: a commission based plus maybe you know a little bit
Speaker 4: and they're trying to change it now. If you accept it,
Speaker 4: that's a problem. But being if you're hourly, they can't
Speaker 4: force you to work off the clock. Okay, so I
Speaker 4: don't know if you're hourly or salaried, but they can't
Speaker 4: make you work off the clock. Now, if you are
Speaker 4: truly salaried, they can, and you know you have an
Speaker 4: option go somewhere else. They're saying commission based and the
Speaker 4: company wants them to be on call. If I was
Speaker 4: commission based.
Speaker 3: That's well.
Speaker 4: Commission is that you make a certain amount of money. Now,
Speaker 4: when they say on call, it sounds like they have
Speaker 4: people who are calling for business. This happens like in
Speaker 4: a real estate office. When you're calling, you're on the
Speaker 4: round robin where they're calling with new clients and things
Speaker 4: like that. You know, I think on call means that
Speaker 4: you're there to take phone calls from potential clients, not
Speaker 4: that you're now your.
Speaker 3: Customer service come in, is what I take it as well.
Speaker 4: Normally that's because you're getting paid per person you sign up.
Speaker 3: Okay, and then the commission's on top of that.
Speaker 1: A friend's boss isn't closing the Oh okay, this is
Speaker 1: for the storm. But this is a great question. Remember
Speaker 1: these storm a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 4: I remember a little bit about that train that came
Speaker 4: by my window downtown.
Speaker 1: It was great, exactly, it wasn't fun. But this person's
Speaker 1: business was not closing up and told her she had
Speaker 1: to come to work where she was fired. Yes, could
Speaker 1: they actually require her to be there during the hurricane?
Speaker 4: Yes, really it sucks. But yeah, yeah, they can force
Speaker 4: you to be there. But here's the caveat. If you
Speaker 4: got hurt or something bad happened, they would absolutely be
Speaker 4: responsible and most likely have to write a really big check. Okay,
Speaker 4: So that's what that's about, you know. So, yes, your
Speaker 4: boss can require you to do things. They can require
Speaker 4: you to do things you don't like to do. But again,
Speaker 4: you know, you always have the right to leave, and
Speaker 4: they all and they are responsible if anything bad happened for.
Speaker 3: The next storm here. That's not gonna work. That's what
Speaker 3: I was thinking of.
Speaker 1: I'm taking a dive underneath the desk clink and gonna
Speaker 1: hit my.
Speaker 4: Ay, we're here for all of them. I guarantee. It's
Speaker 4: quieter in here than it wasn't my place.
Speaker 3: It was pretty Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can't hear the wind in this.
Speaker 1: You're in the window coming through here.
Speaker 3: They shake, No, I mean in here. The whole building
Speaker 3: was shaking, all right. Yeah, it was pretty bad. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Man, I was sleeping in the room right next to it.
Speaker 4: I was going to make a city joke, but I can't.
Speaker 4: I want people to know where you are. No, no, oh,
Speaker 4: it's fine, Maitland. Yeah, I was thinking about the joke.
Speaker 4: Maybe it cleaned up down a little.
Speaker 3: I kid. I know it's right. I know it's a
Speaker 3: right to work state.
Speaker 1: But if work knows that you have a high risk
Speaker 1: pregnancy and you have to leave work a couple of
Speaker 1: times a month early due to appointments for the high
Speaker 1: risk pregnancy, are they allowed to let you go?
Speaker 3: Just fire you because of that?
Speaker 4: I don't I think when it comes to pregnancy and
Speaker 4: certain disabilities, I think that's a little how can I
Speaker 4: set a little more shaky area? The right to work
Speaker 4: doesn't really apply to some cases like that, and they
Speaker 4: really don't want to really get into it when it
Speaker 4: comes to stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So but that's kind of uh.
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I was an employer, I don't
Speaker 2: think I miss that's a nick stack.
Speaker 3: You don't.
Speaker 4: You don't screw around with that. But no, you know
Speaker 4: you fire somebody who's pregnant, you know, I don't. I
Speaker 4: had people who are a long time ago, my last place,
Speaker 4: we had people who are horrible. They were they were
Speaker 4: the worst people who ever worked for us. And if
Speaker 4: they got that'sant. It didn't matter how bad the work
Speaker 4: they did, because you just do not want to open
Speaker 4: yourself up to that because it just the insinuation is bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's almost protected.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's like you can do whatever you want
Speaker 4: to do. And that's that's because businesses should be scared
Speaker 4: and he should be scared.
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, don't don't.
Speaker 2: Scare Hope, Hope, please listen to me. Don't score around,
Speaker 2: all right, you can get a hold of Jeff anytime.
Speaker 2: If you even get to yours, don't don't don't fret
Speaker 2: that you can call him or reach out to him
Speaker 2: a couple of different avenues.
Speaker 1: Jeff at when you need us dot Com or a
Speaker 1: pound five four six on your cell or call him
Speaker 1: directly four zero seven five hundred Jeff, what's up?
Speaker 3: Jefs for Kaufman.
Speaker 4: And and we have tickets to our next movie which
Speaker 4: is next week. That's Red One. That's a Santa Claus
Speaker 4: movie for free. Get with me at Jeff at when
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Speaker 4: taking about twenty people to Venom tonight. So if you
Speaker 4: want to go to Venom, uh, contact me at Jeff
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Speaker 3: Huh.
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Speaker 2: All right, Jeff coughing for coughing, And then appreciate you
Speaker 2: taking the time to join us for Law and Disorder
Speaker 2: every week.
Speaker 3: And avoid suitcases, sir. So come on, it's hot. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's really hard.
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