Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, man.
Speaker 2: I Uh, I was struggling today at work and I
Speaker 2: was about to text you, and I was going to say,
Speaker 2: because of your sickness, yes, okay, yes I've You can
Speaker 2: probably hear it in my voice that I've come down
Speaker 2: with something. And I was getting ready to text you,
Speaker 2: and I was going to be like, we got a postpone,
Speaker 2: we got we got to put this off for a week.
Speaker 2: I know we took a couple of weeks off, but
Speaker 2: I hate I hate skipping by God to save the
Speaker 2: voice and the only thing that convinced me that we
Speaker 2: were going to do this no matter what.
Speaker 3: What's how good this movie was.
Speaker 1: How fucking good this movie was.
Speaker 2: I actually said during my show, Balky, I still don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm gonna give it at the end, but
Speaker 2: I was trying to find the clip to play it
Speaker 2: here and I couldn't, so I'm just going to recreate it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: If I don't give this a perfect score, then that
Speaker 2: means the perfect movie doesn't exist, because Wow, I have
Speaker 2: not come out of a movie so happy. I think
Speaker 2: I felt every possible emotion from the beginning of the
Speaker 2: movie until the end of the movie. I don't think
Speaker 2: I knew really what I was getting into, and I'm
Speaker 2: so happy with what what with what we ended up with.
Speaker 4: I have so much to say about this. There are
Speaker 4: so many interesting things that I noticed about this movie.
Speaker 4: I'll lead it off. So we're talking about Send Help.
Speaker 4: This is directed by Sam or Amy, starring Rachel McAdams
Speaker 4: Dylan O'Brien, about a boss and an employee being the
Speaker 4: lone survivors of a plane crash a business trip to Thailand,
Speaker 4: ironically I know, and they have to serve, they have
Speaker 4: to defend for themselves on this island. And it's a
Speaker 4: horror movie. Obviously, well I don't know about obvious, but
Speaker 4: it is a horror movie. And so and it's a
Speaker 4: longer one. I said, it's like fifty yeah, and obviously
Speaker 4: it's it's gonna be more nuanced than just two people
Speaker 4: pulling a Tom Hanks here for two hours. There's gonna
Speaker 4: be other stuff that happened. There's gonna be other twists.
Speaker 4: And there were other twists, yes, which was very cool.
Speaker 4: So that's basically the plot of it. Let's talk about
Speaker 4: a horror movie be sets essentially for the majority on
Speaker 4: a tropical island. The only one I can think about
Speaker 4: to compare this to where it was like Paradise and
Speaker 4: it was a horror movie.
Speaker 2: Can you think of any uh with only two people?
Speaker 2: Because I could say Fantasy Island was a recent one
Speaker 2: that came out.
Speaker 3: I forgot about that one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, No, the one that came to mind Broken
Speaker 4: Lizards Club, trash. Sure that was the only and so
Speaker 4: And obviously that's more of a comedy than a horror.
Speaker 4: It was like comedy horror or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what rated movie? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Definitely? What did you make of that? What did the
Speaker 3: setting do for you?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 3: This was kind of unique when it comes to this genre?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Did it lull you into
Speaker 3: a false sense of security? A little bit?
Speaker 2: Took the words right out of my mouth. There were
Speaker 2: there were several times, I'll admit there were a couple
Speaker 2: of jump scares that hit like a ton of bricks.
Speaker 3: There was one jump scare and I think you know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about in sort of like it was
Speaker 3: like a hazy sequence, yeah, for one of the characters.
Speaker 3: And I I didn't jump at all. I did not jump,
Speaker 3: And I'm like, why even put that in there? And
Speaker 3: I thought it was a little gratuitous, but I thought
Speaker 3: you might have enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I absolutely did.
Speaker 2: I didn't jump either, but it's because so I grew
Speaker 2: up in a horror family and it's a mark of pride.
Speaker 2: My dad was the only one that jumped, and he
Speaker 2: would always get blocked when he jumped, and I learned
Speaker 2: in the movie. I learned how to do it. In
Speaker 2: was the Ring when they say you should have seen
Speaker 2: her face. I was twelve years old, and it just
Speaker 2: pans to the woman in the closet with the messed
Speaker 2: up looking face.
Speaker 1: The loud music.
Speaker 2: One of the better executed jump scares in all of horror,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, And I remembered feeling the jump scare
Speaker 2: pulse through my entire body. I felt everything go chill,
Speaker 2: but nothing actually moved on the outside. And I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is how you do this now going forward. And
Speaker 2: I had that feeling yesterday during that jump scares, like
Speaker 2: everyone in my theater jumped. We all started laughing. It
Speaker 2: was a very fun great watch this movie.
Speaker 4: With Okay, yeah, I was gonna say it was more
Speaker 4: like funny and cheeky than I mean, it was a
Speaker 4: jump scare, but it was kind of like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know, it's like and I will say it was
Speaker 4: one of those things like at.
Speaker 3: The end of the you know, we need a pepper
Speaker 3: something in here. I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree, because the hunting scene also had a moment
Speaker 2: that I was just like.
Speaker 3: There were several hunting scenes. I don't know which one you're.
Speaker 2: Talking but the one that had, like, in my opinion,
Speaker 2: a pretty well executed I don't want to spoil when
Speaker 2: the jump scare is, so I'm going to leave that vegue.
Speaker 4: But we're talking about the first hunting scene. Okay, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: I think I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I was just like, but like, again, all on the inside,
Speaker 2: but I would say outside of that, it wasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: a horror as much as it was a psychological thriller.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think it was a combination of it too.
Speaker 4: I think I think it was one part psychological tearor
Speaker 4: I think it was one part horror very little comedy.
Speaker 1: I think there was quite a bit of comedy. I'm
Speaker 1: telling you. My failure was laughing.
Speaker 2: There was one moment son of a Gun. I even
Speaker 2: made mental note where the guy says something was such
Speaker 2: a sarcastic tone, and me and one other dude in
Speaker 2: the back row couldn't stop laughing. And I don't remember
Speaker 2: what it was, but he executed the delivery of the
Speaker 2: lines so perfectly, okay that I it just hit because
Speaker 2: it's exactly what I would have said in the moment.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, God, I wish I could remember.
Speaker 2: But there's in my opinion, Sam Raimi evil Dead too.
Speaker 2: I think I should probably get this out of the way.
Speaker 2: Is in my opinion, one of the hallmark staples of
Speaker 2: all of American cinema. I think it is one of
Speaker 2: the best examples of horror comedy ever to have been executed.
Speaker 2: Little little corny by today's standards, I mean, it is
Speaker 2: the early eighties, but for when it came out, in
Speaker 2: the fact that there was nothing like it at the time,
Speaker 2: this kind of hit on that. I think he has
Speaker 2: horror comedy down pat and I think this exemplified that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are moments I don't know, like I think
Speaker 4: for me, there are some maybe parts of you phone
Speaker 4: comedic I phoned a little unsettling, maybe because I didn't
Speaker 4: know exactly what the character was thinking. Because I didn't
Speaker 4: I didn't really understand. I mean I feel like I
Speaker 4: understood Dylan O'Brien's character. Bravo to Rachel mccadams in that
Speaker 4: what a performance that she had. Not that this is
Speaker 4: oscar worthy or anything like that, because it's not. But
Speaker 4: the character she played from soup to nuts. The evolution
Speaker 4: this character undergoes a significant evolution. Basically, we'll set this up.
Speaker 4: I don't think this is a spoiler.
Speaker 3: She is mistreated at work.
Speaker 1: That's in the trailer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, And her boss, Dylan is Dylan O'Brien, and
Speaker 4: he basically screws her over for a promotion and it
Speaker 4: really hits her emotionally. One of the other aspects we
Speaker 4: learned she not only is she a massive fan of
Speaker 4: the television show Survivor, she she has all we see
Speaker 4: this this she reads intro what do you call it
Speaker 4: the bookshelf? Yeah, the bookshelf? But that what do you
Speaker 4: call that exposition? You have all this exposition of like
Speaker 4: how like she she is like a true survivalist, Like
Speaker 4: if she was ever, you know, stranded somewhere, she's going
Speaker 4: to know how to take care of herself. So then
Speaker 4: this plane crash is they're the only two survivors and
Speaker 4: the roles completely flip because Dylan O'Brien is the silver spoon.
Speaker 3: You know. He even says, like, nobody's ever taught me
Speaker 3: how to do anything.
Speaker 1: Would that scenario, I would have been willing to learn
Speaker 1: more than he was.
Speaker 4: No, But I think because he's such a nepo baby
Speaker 4: that like he can't his brain can't think like that,
Speaker 4: Like he is just all about Okay, when do we
Speaker 4: get off when someone's like it's me, like, obviously I'm
Speaker 4: gonna be saved or whatever, and the roles get reversed
Speaker 4: where she is thriving now and he is basically this
Speaker 4: and and by the way, she's really good at her
Speaker 4: job too, from what we from what you so she's
Speaker 4: good at both. But she gets mistreated and and whatever,
Speaker 4: and she's a little it's weird because she starts off.
Speaker 4: Her character is so socially awkward. In this film. We
Speaker 4: we find out she lives alone with a parakeet, so
Speaker 4: there's not a lot of human contact for her outside
Speaker 4: of work. She kind of tries to invite herself to
Speaker 4: get together.
Speaker 1: That killed me on the inside.
Speaker 3: Hilarious, hilarious, See.
Speaker 1: To me, it was cringe. I hated it.
Speaker 4: Well, it was cringe, yeah, obviously, but but it was
Speaker 4: it was it was hilarious.
Speaker 1: You know, was bedazzled with Brendan Fraser.
Speaker 4: And Elizabeth Hurley. I don't I can't remember if I
Speaker 4: even saw that that.
Speaker 2: Was the weaviest guy, and he would always go over
Speaker 2: and then his coworkers would make fun of him, but
Speaker 2: he wouldn't realize they were making fun of him. And
Speaker 2: I'm just like, ah, poor Brendan Fraser. And that's that's
Speaker 2: how I felt for this woman. Again, I felt every emotion.
Speaker 2: I was sad during most scenes rich.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, and I think that you're meant to to
Speaker 4: do to feel that way, and then the plane crash happens,
Speaker 4: and she just becomes she's she's she looks, she looks
Speaker 4: more assertive. I don't know if that was like filmmaking
Speaker 4: or just like how she played it. She looked more assertive,
Speaker 4: she looked more like like a sort of very attractive
Speaker 4: but dominant female that dominant females can't be attractive, but
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like, yeah, her beauty was
Speaker 4: much more accentuated. Once she was on the island. She
Speaker 4: seemed much more at home on the island, where Dylan
Speaker 4: O'Brien is not have his fancy designer clothes, and so
Speaker 4: the rolls completely flipped. And I don't know about you, Ben,
Speaker 4: I had problems probably about forty five minutes in, maybe
Speaker 4: fifty minutes in. About forty forty five minutes in, I
Speaker 4: didn't know who I.
Speaker 3: Was supposed to root for.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm glad you bring that up.
Speaker 3: Didn't know who I was supposed to identify with. I
Speaker 3: didn't know. And by the way, it flipped a few times.
Speaker 2: So so you kind of ran the gamut there. So
Speaker 2: let me say before we move on to that, because
Speaker 2: I made a mental note of this watching it. I
Speaker 2: think I've never seen any of the Maze Runner movies.
Speaker 2: Dylan O'Brien filmography is very very limited. I had never
Speaker 2: seen him in anything.
Speaker 3: He was in an episode of Curb Your and threw Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1: Sure I saw that, but I don't. I don't remember
Speaker 1: because he's.
Speaker 2: Been in some other stuff too, so I haven't. Oh
Speaker 2: you have it, Yeah, I have it up. And it's
Speaker 2: a Team Wolf, the show which I didn't watch forgot
Speaker 2: about that. There's one, two, three Mays Runner movies that
Speaker 2: he was in. Yeah, twinless came out last year American
Speaker 2: Assassin from twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: And heard of that, and I heard it was not bad.
Speaker 2: I've heard of it, haven't seen it either. Love in Monsters,
Speaker 2: which I've also heard of from twenty twenty haven't seen it.
Speaker 2: And Caddo Lake from twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Did he do any I feel like I'm missing something here.
Speaker 3: Do you do anything in television.
Speaker 2: That's movie and shows his entire so and my thought
Speaker 2: watching and I'm not saying that he was bad or
Speaker 2: he somehow took away from the movie. Rachel McAdams was
Speaker 2: acting circles around him. I thought her, like you picked
Speaker 2: up on it as well. I thought what she did
Speaker 2: was absolutely phenomenal.
Speaker 4: Okay to interrupt, I will say that she had the
Speaker 4: much more challenging role and film.
Speaker 1: Yes, I will agree.
Speaker 4: So I think Dylan O'Brien's character we saw very little growth. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I don't think we wanted to see necessarily that
Speaker 4: much growth.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll get into that because.
Speaker 3: I do there was there was some growth, I guess.
Speaker 2: But so point two to what you brought up before
Speaker 2: I get to the main point, was it is always
Speaker 2: stuck out to me in movies when you get stranded
Speaker 2: that the people always still look attractive, And I've always
Speaker 2: thought that that was dumb. I think they intentionally did
Speaker 2: that with me because you said, oh, it seems like
Speaker 2: she got more attractive the longest.
Speaker 3: I think she's good looking. I think she's good looking anyway.
Speaker 2: But like you're not, your hairs grow, you don't have
Speaker 2: makeup like I think movies in general for men and
Speaker 2: women you should be looking ugly.
Speaker 4: But there are certain women and well men too, that
Speaker 4: just the natural Yeah, natural beauties. And it's not like,
Speaker 4: I mean, should we say how long they were stuck
Speaker 4: on this island or is that better not.
Speaker 1: To No, yeah, let it ket it play out.
Speaker 4: I will say that the amount of time that they
Speaker 4: were stuck on this island, this wasn't like a Gilligan's
Speaker 4: Island type thing where they were there for years and
Speaker 4: years and years and years. They were there for a
Speaker 4: certain amount of time where I don't or or what
Speaker 4: was the movie with Brookshields back in the day, Blue Lagoon, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that would have moved with Yeah, And I mean they
Speaker 4: were attractive like the whole time. Part of the reason
Speaker 4: I think is because they're growing up so like you're
Speaker 4: naturally normally very attractive in your like twenties or whatever
Speaker 4: or what.
Speaker 3: And then it aging The.
Speaker 1: Reason I disagree with your assessment though, is that Dylan,
Speaker 1: Dylan O'Brien, they chopped his lips, his hair looked looked haggard.
Speaker 3: Well, because he didn't have the skills, He didn't know
Speaker 3: how to protect himself, and he didn't want to take
Speaker 3: for a little bit, he didn't want to take any
Speaker 3: advice from her, right, right.
Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is I think the
Speaker 1: aesthetic of both characters was an artistic choice as opposed
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: I think it was because of how you're supposed to
Speaker 3: view these characters in this environment.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, and people excel better in environments. Now, the
Speaker 2: third point that you brought up and the most important
Speaker 2: one that I want to get into, because I was
Speaker 2: nervous about that going into this movie. I thought point
Speaker 2: you said that you oscillated back and forth one on
Speaker 2: how you felt about the characters. And I think we
Speaker 2: talked about this before, but it's been a problem a
Speaker 2: lot in like the last eight years of movies. But
Speaker 2: there's an idea called a Mary Sue where that's essentially
Speaker 2: Ray from the New Star Wars trilogy, where it's like
Speaker 2: she's inherently better than everybody with a lightsaber, and also
Speaker 2: she can fix the Millennium Falcon better than Harrison Ford can,
Speaker 2: and she knows how to forage through the desert, and
Speaker 2: she just is good at everything all the time, and
Speaker 2: it kind of makes the character one note compared to
Speaker 2: a Luke Skywalker who sucked at everything and kind of
Speaker 2: grows into being the Jedi master that you know him
Speaker 2: to be. And I was nervous, especially for the first
Speaker 2: like twenty minutes once they're on the island, I'm like,
Speaker 2: is this gonna be an over the top feminist movie?
Speaker 2: Because I respect Sam Raimi too much for him not
Speaker 2: to have depth and nuance in the movie. And I
Speaker 2: was like, this is gonna be one of those movies
Speaker 2: where where the fraternity guys the dick and she turns
Speaker 2: out is good at everything all the time and has
Speaker 2: no faults. And the movie does a very good job
Speaker 2: of making you think that's the trajectory it's on and
Speaker 2: then absolutely taking you an entirely different direction that I
Speaker 2: was thrilled that it decided to go that way.
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, but the direction you're talking about, did not
Speaker 3: necessarily negate who these characters were.
Speaker 4: No, you know what I mean, it was done very well.
Speaker 4: Like we were set up to root for Linda Oh,
Speaker 4: what the heck was her name?
Speaker 3: Linda Little Linda Little ye, which is Rachel mcadam's character.
Speaker 3: We were set up to rou Bradley Preston. What a
Speaker 3: good rich white guy, right, Yeah? And she always called
Speaker 3: them Bradley too. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So anyway, we're we're shown that we should be rooting
Speaker 4: for this character, right, Yeah. And what I did not realize, well, okay,
Speaker 4: the first time she makes a revelation on the island
Speaker 4: or something is revealed to her, right, were you at
Speaker 4: all surprised that that happened?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: Were you all at all surprised about how she reacted
Speaker 4: to it? Like what she did after that the first revelation, Yeah,
Speaker 4: where something's revealed to her, she makes a choice whether
Speaker 4: to do something or not do something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I was not surprised.
Speaker 1: Me neither.
Speaker 4: And I feel like that's when something got flipped and
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, yes, we're dealing with something here now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's actually there's one line of dialogue because I'm
Speaker 2: very Uh, those kinds I call those to bring it
Speaker 2: back as we always do. I call them Marvel lines
Speaker 2: of dialogue when like there's like a random thing apropos
Speaker 2: of nothing, like oh, if I fly my Iron Man
Speaker 2: suit too high, uh, the icing problem happens and then
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, so later fly too high right like
Speaker 2: and every especially the old school Marvel movies, always had
Speaker 2: that gimmick, so I always look out out for it.
Speaker 2: And like she points out a destination on the island,
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, it's all though, it's all poisonous.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, I'm saying that the revelation became
Speaker 4: before that.
Speaker 2: No, I'm saying yes, yes, a thousand percent, but I'm
Speaker 2: saying once it hit that point. And I'm like, oh so,
Speaker 2: oh so you're saying like it was snowballing at that point.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, there's something. I was like, that's either
Speaker 2: where all this like we know exactly what it was.
Speaker 3: I see.
Speaker 4: I just when she said that, Yeah, when she said, oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, that part of the island is it's
Speaker 4: just there's nothing there, there's no food, there's no poison.
Speaker 1: Ivy jacket Bush.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I knew she was at that point, Yes, protecting something.
Speaker 3: It was pretty obvious to me.
Speaker 4: It was pretty obvious that that's okay, I know what's
Speaker 4: going on and what the plan is here.
Speaker 2: I also had that same thought with the poison bearing
Speaker 2: moment as well, like, well, they didn't tell us.
Speaker 4: That that was another good that was another I knew that
Speaker 4: was coming back. Obviously, I knew that was coming back. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it was just it's very good storytelling. And again, you
Speaker 4: and I are both very big on the unpredictable nature
Speaker 4: of of movies, and like I.
Speaker 1: Thought, it was just as likely that they were going
Speaker 1: to kill each other as it was.
Speaker 2: That they were gonna get married and spend an eternity
Speaker 2: on the island and everywhere in between was a possible
Speaker 2: outcome the entire time I was watching that movie.
Speaker 4: That's what I liked about it, and I probably I
Speaker 4: shouldn't have done this, But when I knew it was
Speaker 4: a two like just under two hours, I knew, and
Speaker 4: I kind of alluded to this at the top. There
Speaker 4: was gonna be other things that happened besides yeah, them
Speaker 4: just falling in love or them killing each other, one
Speaker 4: killing the other one, or getting rescued or not getting rescued,
Speaker 4: there's got it, and you have built Sam Raimi up
Speaker 4: into this Yeah, fantastic, to which he is. Yeah. But
Speaker 4: but at this, at this point, like you had raised
Speaker 4: my expectation like now there's there's there's it's more nuanced,
Speaker 4: like there's there's there's something coming here that that we're
Speaker 4: not expecting. And I'll be honest with you, the big
Speaker 4: reveal at the end, well there's it was kind of
Speaker 4: like one big reveal, but there's two small parts to it.
Speaker 4: I didn't see that coming, did not see that coming.
Speaker 4: This is basically the climax of the film. Yeah, where there.
Speaker 1: Is yes, no, I didn't see any of that happening.
Speaker 3: He yeah exactly, which was great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was perfect.
Speaker 3: And then you go back and you find out more
Speaker 3: of what happened and what led up to this.
Speaker 2: And I will say, because uh uh, Dylan, I keep
Speaker 2: playing in his name here, O'Brian played a more one
Speaker 2: note character. But I will say there were several times
Speaker 2: where normally this kind of character, I'm like, Okay, he
Speaker 2: can die at any point.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: There were several times throughout the movie where I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: I hope he reforms, Like I hope he gets this together,
Speaker 2: which I think says something about either the writing or
Speaker 2: his performance that, like you, even though he's clearly the
Speaker 2: quote unquote like he's the bad guy, or at least
Speaker 2: that's the way he's portrayed most of it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's never cartoonish, it's never over.
Speaker 3: The No, it's really not. It's really not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was, I mean viewing the video on the plane,
Speaker 4: the meeting with that he had with Linda in his office,
Speaker 4: you get. And and then obviously the the conversation he
Speaker 4: has with the all steak guy Dennis.
Speaker 1: Haysbert who was the president. To me, that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: He was Joe bu and uh what's his name?
Speaker 4: Not Joe Buh, the guy I can't remember his name
Speaker 4: now in Major League he was the first Basement Serrano,
Speaker 4: Pedro Serrano.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so anyway.
Speaker 1: I didn't oh yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: So then in that meeting, like I think the the
Speaker 3: whole d bag frat bro thing is kind of confirmed.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, he has a meeting with I'm assuming what was
Speaker 4: going to be a future secretary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, despite him a smoke show.
Speaker 4: Just yeah, smoke show, despite him being engaged to another
Speaker 4: smoke show, and so then I'm like, Okay, this guy
Speaker 4: is kind of a uh, not a likable guy, but
Speaker 4: I don't know, man like, I don't know if it
Speaker 4: was just if it was part of the design of
Speaker 4: the film, of the direction, because we did see some
Speaker 4: very humanizing characteristic reveals from him where you you're I mean,
Speaker 4: he's still kind of bad. He's still a bad absolutely,
Speaker 4: but he was not like full on like cannot be
Speaker 4: redeemed bad like. There was still like a human, like
Speaker 4: a good human in there.
Speaker 2: Every Saw movie inevitably has one character that's just over
Speaker 2: the top. You're like, Okay, this guy's clearly throwing the
Speaker 2: group dynamic off. This person needs to go, and inevitably
Speaker 2: they stay till close to the end and die in
Speaker 2: a horribly graphic way. In every movie that was not this,
Speaker 2: at no point did they ever cross the threshold into
Speaker 2: that into In true me fashion, I'm sitting there watching
Speaker 2: the first office interaction with the two of them, where
Speaker 2: he's telling her she's not going to get the promotion,
Speaker 2: and I'm immediately flashing back to not getting their time
Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh and getting the getting the speech of just like,
Speaker 2: you're very valuable in the position that you're in right now,
Speaker 2: and we need you to do that position because.
Speaker 1: No one and it's just it was hidden.
Speaker 2: It's not evil, like it's not like I think the
Speaker 2: people's that are evil, but I definitely have a negative
Speaker 2: connotation of those people in my mind for sure. And
Speaker 2: that's how I described this guy's character. Not evil, but
Speaker 2: definitely a jag. That's an understatement.
Speaker 4: The other thing too, I think her employment was fairly
Speaker 4: secure at this company, given.
Speaker 2: That seven years I remember that line, seven years worth
Speaker 2: of tenure there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the guy who got promoted was there for
Speaker 3: six months.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean, but that's secure employment.
Speaker 4: Right, But I'm saying like going forward, like she kind
Speaker 4: of had to stay there because President twenty four what
Speaker 4: was his president?
Speaker 3: Was his name?
Speaker 4: I can't remember anyway, President twenty four should remember basically
Speaker 4: told Dylan O'Brien's character is like, look, this guy you
Speaker 4: just promoted what was his name?
Speaker 3: Dominic Ah yeah, Donovan Donovan Donovan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's like, look, Donovan will drown like on his own
Speaker 4: without her, like he needs. So she could keep working there,
Speaker 4: but then at some point she was probably going to
Speaker 4: be you know, like I'm this is dead end and
Speaker 4: quite frankly, she never If she wanted to keep doing
Speaker 4: that the rest of her career, she could have, but
Speaker 4: h but she I don't know.
Speaker 2: If she There was actually a very good scene right
Speaker 2: before the plane crash that kind of shows you that
Speaker 2: she's done with that life. But it really never matters
Speaker 2: because that life is done. Yeah, it's the plane crash.
Speaker 3: That's true.
Speaker 4: I forgot about that, You're right, So she had kind
Speaker 4: of made up her mind that that whatever. I don't
Speaker 4: know what she was going to do when the plane landed.
Speaker 4: If the plane had landed, you know, if she was just.
Speaker 2: Gonna David Palmer, it was going to drive me nuts. Sorry,
Speaker 2: but yeah. And by the way, while we're talking about
Speaker 2: the plane crash, little two c g I for my liking,
Speaker 2: but still well done.
Speaker 4: What I I'm trying to think here? I know it
Speaker 4: was graphic. Yeah the tie or that was a tire
Speaker 4: suspenders thing that see? That was hilarious to me. It
Speaker 4: was that this tire, but.
Speaker 1: That yeah, it could have been suspenders. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a tie.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The absolutely loved it. And the the Asian guy hanging
Speaker 2: off the guy's leg.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, that's so he was getting his teeth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so how was how was that? What was his was
Speaker 3: kicking him? Because oh he was kicking his teeth.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay that part I did see. I was like,
Speaker 4: this is it was good to Maybe it was supposed to.
Speaker 4: Maybe it was supposed to be like to like they
Speaker 4: didn't want they wanted it less realistic for comedic effects.
Speaker 2: And I mean that was because when Sam Raimi did
Speaker 2: the og Spider Man trilogy, I think a lot of
Speaker 2: people didn't understand what is. Everyone was like, why does
Speaker 2: it look so stupid? Like even for the day, because
Speaker 2: like the First Spider Man's like ninety nine or two thousand,
Speaker 2: it's not like CGI is where it was today, but
Speaker 2: it green Goblin looks like a freaking Power Rangers character.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's you know, cheap, but like that's the
Speaker 2: aesthetic and like have you seen Drag.
Speaker 3: Me to Hell? Or no, no, drag Me to Hell?
Speaker 3: Was who again? Uh?
Speaker 2: Justin long is mainly but it's it's in my I
Speaker 2: said it was the grossest PG thirteen movie I've ever
Speaker 2: seen a lot of CGI gore in that I just
Speaker 2: think that's his his mo in the way that he
Speaker 2: does things. Now that CGI is more prevalent is. It's
Speaker 2: kind of that cartoonish look to it, and I even
Speaker 2: saw I don't want to I don't want to ruin
Speaker 2: who the character was. This is the jump scare scene
Speaker 2: that we reference. If you remember in Multiverse of Madness,
Speaker 2: at one point, Wanda's like coming through puddles towards the
Speaker 2: beginning of the movie and she like crawls through a
Speaker 2: gong and she's all like contorted in different ways. And
Speaker 2: when one person shows up in a vision, they're moving
Speaker 2: the exact same way. I saw several Raymy moments from
Speaker 2: other movies throughout this movie that I was like, Oh,
Speaker 2: she looks like how Wanda moved, and and that that
Speaker 2: kind of motion creeps me out. Maybe that's why it
Speaker 2: sticks out to me so vividly. R But the it's
Speaker 2: like the jagged and quick movement that like throws me off.
Speaker 4: I say, some actor had like a go to move
Speaker 4: that we have talked about on this podcast. It was
Speaker 4: one of the main character, one of the main starring
Speaker 4: actors in one of the films, and he and then
Speaker 4: you're like, and then he just did.
Speaker 3: Do his go to move again. But you said it
Speaker 3: about somebody, and I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 4: It was like a manner I mean it was different
Speaker 4: than like a whole body movement.
Speaker 3: It was like a facial tick or mannerism or something.
Speaker 3: I can't remember it was.
Speaker 4: It was hilarious when you brought up like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: he does do that all the time.
Speaker 3: It was like Owen Wilson saying wow. But it was
Speaker 3: like a like a way anyway, yeah, okay, Brad Pitt laughing.
Speaker 1: Maybe it could have.
Speaker 4: Been Brad Pitt laughing. Actually it could have been that.
Speaker 4: It might have been something with Brad Pitt in f
Speaker 4: one breaking.
Speaker 1: It down because he does in every movie.
Speaker 4: Did you ever see Taryn kill him do his Brad
Speaker 4: Pitt impersonation onl that It's not very accurate, but it
Speaker 4: is hilarious because like he'll say something like he'll be.
Speaker 3: Like stupid, but.
Speaker 4: Watch World war Z again the other day? God what okay?
Speaker 4: So what I wanted to get back to, Oh the
Speaker 4: tuna fish scene earlier. I was totally grossed out, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's harder and harder to find Rachel McAdams
Speaker 4: attractive here. Great job selling it, because then she looked
Speaker 4: gorgeous for the rest of the movie.
Speaker 2: The Hunting the Boars scene, and I will just say
Speaker 2: there is a vomit moment that will rival that was
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: I couldn't stop, dude, I couldn't stop. I thought it
Speaker 1: was hilarious, like America reminded.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there there's there's that. And then there was
Speaker 4: this isn't the throw up scene. But did you ever
Speaker 4: see the It was a puppet movie that came out
Speaker 4: a few years ago with Melissa McCarthy, The Happy Time Murders.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, yes, it's awesome.
Speaker 4: And there's a scene, a sex scene in there between
Speaker 4: two puppets.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a climax of the sex. All right, it's
Speaker 4: so good.
Speaker 3: It is so good. Okay, but yeah, but this one
Speaker 3: was totally gross. Not that that puppet sex is not gross,
Speaker 3: but I mean it was just like, okay, stop all right.
Speaker 3: And then and I was gonna bring this up to you.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, I was.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I was going to bring this up to you too.
Speaker 4: You saw the amount of vomit. You know how much
Speaker 4: that character just ate where is all this.
Speaker 3: Food coming from?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I understand suspend disbelief, but I'm like, really,
Speaker 4: that person ate that much to vomit this much.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: I absolutely I loved it. I loved it. I loved
Speaker 2: so many parts of this movie. But it did get
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of there's a couple of girl.
Speaker 2: There's not a lot of gore. There's definitely some gross out.
Speaker 3: Gore was not till the very end, and then it
Speaker 3: gets really you know it, it's.
Speaker 4: Going pretty good. In the climac scene, Dylan O'Brien's character
Speaker 4: Bradley Preston said he had no experience cooking. They just
Speaker 4: ate out. Sometimes they'd have a personal chef come in.
Speaker 4: I dig it and then he prepares this dinner good point.
Speaker 4: That looks amazing, amazing, and I'm like, okay, really, this
Speaker 4: is again. I I'm all for suspending belief or suspending
Speaker 4: disbelief when I watch films or whatever, but I do
Speaker 4: think there are certain decisions that you don't necessarily need
Speaker 4: to make to you know, to pretty it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or they could have had him cook it and
Speaker 2: had it look exactly how we look at people listening
Speaker 2: to this to listen to my show, No, I've never
Speaker 2: used the stove. Very famously, my tenant called me when
Speaker 2: I moved out here to say, did you know your
Speaker 2: stove is broken, And I said no, because I've never
Speaker 2: used it before. And I know what me trying to
Speaker 2: cook for my first time on a freaking island looked like.
Speaker 3: With no utensils.
Speaker 1: She looks over his shoulder, like, now do this like
Speaker 1: I'm doing this on my own? Yeah, Like, no, I
Speaker 1: know exactly what it would look like, and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have looked like what ends up coming out of what
Speaker 1: like they should have had it look like when he's
Speaker 1: trying to scoop the water and he can't even lay
Speaker 1: a leaf out flat the correct way right when he
Speaker 1: first thinks he's gonna make it on his own, That's
Speaker 1: how the food should have looked.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and there was no montage where it like justifies.
Speaker 4: Did they say at the end how long exactly that
Speaker 4: they were stuck on that island?
Speaker 2: If they did? I know it, because so, yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get into the end too much,
Speaker 2: because let's just say, we.
Speaker 3: Have to talk about the end.
Speaker 4: We won't talk about what the end is, but we
Speaker 4: have to talk about it because I had I had
Speaker 4: a very distinct reaction.
Speaker 2: And there is one element of the end where I've
Speaker 2: always stated if if I found myself stranded on an
Speaker 2: island or stuck in a saw trap or whatever it is,
Speaker 2: my inner monologue will be telling me, Ben, you're gonna
Speaker 2: get out of this moment, and when you get out
Speaker 2: of this moment, this is what you're gonna do, and
Speaker 2: you're gonna become rich.
Speaker 1: Like so, so as soon as the I.
Speaker 2: Mean that happens, I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have done that or not,
Speaker 2: but I dig it.
Speaker 4: And here's that we're getting into the end. I honestly
Speaker 4: did not know because there's like sort of like an
Speaker 4: epilogue type scene at the end. I did not know
Speaker 4: how I felt about the ending, Right, is this good?
Speaker 3: Is this bad? Is this proper? Is it not proper?
Speaker 3: And I noticed myself I felt my face smiling.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I must have liked it. I didn't know
Speaker 4: how to feel about it, but I was smiling when
Speaker 4: I was watching it.
Speaker 1: At any point. Did you think it was a figment
Speaker 1: of the imagination?
Speaker 4: There were times in this movie that I thought I
Speaker 4: wasn't sure if it was real, because when you have
Speaker 4: deserted island stuff.
Speaker 3: You know you have.
Speaker 1: Hallucinations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there are times where I was like, ah,
Speaker 3: is that real? Is that not real? I don't know
Speaker 3: the ending.
Speaker 4: I never thought that maybe I should have, but I
Speaker 4: always believe that that was that was real. Yeah, and
Speaker 4: and the final song was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: I don't even remember.
Speaker 4: You always notice it is referenced in that cringe scene
Speaker 4: at work earlier in the movie when they're.
Speaker 1: Talking about hious. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yes, So so I thought about this because I watched
Speaker 4: you watched it yesterdayfternoon. I watch it last night, and
Speaker 4: I was thinking about this today too. I'm like, I
Speaker 4: don't know how I'm gonnattack this because even though I
Speaker 4: know I was smiling, I still don't know if that's
Speaker 4: the right ending.
Speaker 3: I still don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, you know, you can make whatever decision
Speaker 4: you want as a filmmaker or a scriptwriter how you
Speaker 4: want to end a story. But I just I don't
Speaker 4: know if I felt good about how this ends. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And you know, you know what it makes me think about,
Speaker 4: not that this ever would have happened in real life,
Speaker 4: but certain times in real life. You know, they always
Speaker 4: say histories told by the people who win the warst right,
Speaker 4: And I wonder how many times, stuff like this happens
Speaker 4: in real life and we just don't even know about it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Or we're just we just believe what we're told because well,
Speaker 4: we weren't there, so we listen to people who.
Speaker 1: Were thousand percent.
Speaker 2: Man, I think about that kind of stuff all the time,
Speaker 2: and uh, yeah, yeah, the hell knows.
Speaker 1: It's a good it's definitely good. Think fees on the
Speaker 1: way out.
Speaker 4: There are certain films too where I will have my
Speaker 4: phone out and I will be following, like certain films
Speaker 4: that I think are hard to follow, right, And I
Speaker 4: if I'm not sure of what happened in a certain
Speaker 4: part and I feel like I need to understand it
Speaker 4: to watch the rest of the.
Speaker 3: Movie, I'll pull my phone out, I'll look at it.
Speaker 3: But sometimes when you do that, you you you read,
Speaker 3: you keep.
Speaker 4: Reading and you're not supposed to and you don't know
Speaker 4: you're spot and then something is spoiled for you. And
Speaker 4: I said, okay, not that I didn't know what was
Speaker 4: going on in this movie. I mean I think it
Speaker 4: was pretty yeah, straightforward. Yeah, but I'm so glad I
Speaker 4: did it because of the twists and the turns and
Speaker 4: how it was. There were certain moments that kind of
Speaker 4: set up the climax that that's where I didn't know, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: is this reality or is it not reality? And then
Speaker 4: I'm like, I feel like I should check to see
Speaker 4: if this really happened or not. And I'm like, no,
Speaker 4: because the way it's it's it's being presented to me.
Speaker 4: I need to believe what I believe at this point.
Speaker 4: And then if the truth is not told at the
Speaker 4: end or I'm still unsure, then I'll look up at
Speaker 4: I'll look it up.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: This was so good to just be dialed in, focused
Speaker 4: and and you know, following it beat by beat.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It was great in the way they delivered so many
Speaker 2: lines like for every oh, if you rub a berry
Speaker 2: on your arm, it's poison moment, there was another.
Speaker 3: What the hell was at? So?
Speaker 4: I don't she's she's she's essentially giving him tips, survival tips,
Speaker 4: and she takes a berry and and she said if
Speaker 4: there's a reaction, you know, it's poisonous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there was a reaction, was there not?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So she must have I guess you okay, And now
Speaker 4: I'm just thinking about this out loud. She must have
Speaker 4: known that doing that with one Barry was not gonna.
Speaker 1: Be oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But like to me that that was one
Speaker 2: of those marvel moments I talk about.
Speaker 3: That's just very totally.
Speaker 2: For every moment like that, there would be a moment
Speaker 2: where like, oh, this washed up on shore and I
Speaker 2: found it and I would accept that hook line and
Speaker 2: sinker like it didn't even cross my mind that it.
Speaker 3: Didn't It didn't either.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 4: The thing that we're talking about I did notice was
Speaker 4: I'm like, you know what, that doesn't strike me as
Speaker 4: something that would be on a private plane but maybe yeah,
Speaker 4: and it looked awfully good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it didn't cross my mind as suspicious at all. Now,
Speaker 2: And that's the sign of a good movie because you know, me,
Speaker 2: I'm watching I'm picking that thing apart the entire time
Speaker 2: I'm watching it, and like that just went in one
Speaker 2: ear and out the other. And I was like, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: And it's just when you can deliver lines like that
Speaker 2: and put it into the script in a way that
Speaker 2: it does and get on my radar, I think that's
Speaker 2: good writing. I think that's good storytelling because I'm typically
Speaker 2: pretty observant with that kind of stuff, and that because
Speaker 2: I'm not hearing the music. And even do you know
Speaker 2: who did this? Yeah on guy Danny Elfman, Yeah, freaking Batman.
Speaker 2: This all the Tim Burton movies, the Spider Man.
Speaker 3: I think he's worked with. Said, yeah, these guys have a.
Speaker 1: Relation, Yeah they do. And but he just does.
Speaker 2: He was in he did Avengers Age of Ultron music,
Speaker 2: like he does all the good shit. I never hear
Speaker 2: the music though, you always hear the music. Like to
Speaker 2: bring it back to an old episode of Off Topic,
Speaker 2: I remember you saying, what did you think of the
Speaker 2: jazz music in one battle after another? Like, I didn't
Speaker 2: even hear the music. I rewatched it on the plane.
Speaker 2: All I heard was the music.
Speaker 3: What scene was that?
Speaker 1: Again? All the scenes? Like the music?
Speaker 2: Okay, it's prevalent the entire movie and the entire first viewing,
Speaker 2: I was so into the plot and like what was
Speaker 2: going on that I did not hear the jazz music.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I really didn't bother me that much.
Speaker 1: I like jazz.
Speaker 2: You were like I found it so grating, and I'm
Speaker 2: watching it on the plane, I'm like, man, it's jazz music.
Speaker 2: Isn't shutting the hell up?
Speaker 4: You know what I might have brought this up at
Speaker 4: the at the time, maybe I didn't, and I didn't
Speaker 4: really think the music stood out to me in this
Speaker 4: film at all except for the very ending scene.
Speaker 3: That that's the one that stood out.
Speaker 4: And sometimes, by the way, I missed me, I miss
Speaker 4: music plenty, Like there's there's other times purposes Okay, well
Speaker 4: maybe for this, but like there's a lot of times
Speaker 4: where somebody tells me about them, like, oh god, I
Speaker 4: didn't even realize that, you know, because it's it's always to.
Speaker 3: Me like it's it's part of a film. And I
Speaker 3: think ninety percent of the time it's just done because
Speaker 3: that's what you do.
Speaker 1: But there's no purpose, and if it's done well, it
Speaker 1: disappears into like you don't right exactly here exactly.
Speaker 4: But then when you make it purposeful, like that last
Speaker 4: song in this movie, like you didn't pick up on it.
Speaker 4: I'm sure other people may not have, but so so
Speaker 4: to get it back to one battle after another, I
Speaker 4: think the reason that that music was so greating to
Speaker 4: me and why it stood out so much, it didn't
Speaker 4: match the emotion and the intensity of the scene. And
Speaker 4: I think that's and Paul Thomas Anderson does this a Ton.
Speaker 4: He's always messing with your mind. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 4: in trying to give you something like what's a new
Speaker 4: way I can distract an audience? That is, you know,
Speaker 4: seemingly you don't know if you should read into it.
Speaker 4: You don't know you should ignore it. Oh, I know,
Speaker 4: let's put this weird freestyle jazz in these scenes that
Speaker 4: that where where normally you'd hear like the you know,
Speaker 4: like the.
Speaker 3: The I would say, the Born music.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, you'd always hear that, and and and
Speaker 4: it did because I didn't I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what to feel. I didn't know like
Speaker 4: and so that's another way of like storytelling.
Speaker 2: And it was in nature, That's what I know. Yes,
Speaker 2: very very that whole movie is forrenetic, Like Leo spends
Speaker 2: half the movie not knowing the password, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, And it's just like.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, did you see You probably didn't see this,
Speaker 4: but before the the NFC Championship game, Fox Fox did
Speaker 4: a parody of the phone phone booth scene or the
Speaker 4: phone the payphone scene where this guy is trying to
Speaker 4: get tickets to the to the Seahawks game and they
Speaker 4: think he's a RAMS fan and he can't remember the
Speaker 4: password for to be.
Speaker 3: It was pretty good.
Speaker 1: It was pretty that's brilliant.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: One other thing I wanted to bring up with you.
Speaker 4: There is a scene and I got to be very
Speaker 4: very difficult how I am very very careful, I should say,
Speaker 4: of how I bring this up. There is a scene
Speaker 4: in which it is a very intense scene. And this
Speaker 4: is the part where you don't know what one of
Speaker 4: the characters is is capable of, You don't. It's a
Speaker 4: scene that happens after sort of a betrayal of sorts.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of those.
Speaker 4: After after a vomit, after the bomb scene, were talking
Speaker 4: about there's a scene that's so of the come.
Speaker 3: Up and yeah, yeah, yeah, now that was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: However, eighty percent of the way through it, I'm like, no, this,
Speaker 3: this isn't. Yeah, this isn't happening, is it.
Speaker 2: I had the same thought because it was too far
Speaker 2: of an escalation for the character in that.
Speaker 3: I didn't think it was.
Speaker 1: You didn't.
Speaker 4: I didn't think it was because again, I don't know
Speaker 4: what that character is capable of at this point, knowing
Speaker 4: what that character had done up until that point, knowing
Speaker 4: the character's background as we did.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: See, maybe I'm just too jaded and I've seen too other,
Speaker 2: too many other movies where that is also a plot point,
Speaker 2: and uh, the stuff that the people do in those
Speaker 2: movies to find themselves in that situation is much more
Speaker 2: commensurate with the punishment, okay, than what he ended up
Speaker 2: ultimately going through.
Speaker 4: I am one hundred percent with you on that. However,
Speaker 4: in this I I didn't I honestly didn't know. Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I didn't, I didn't know how far this would go,
Speaker 4: and it went pretty it went even further.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, by the end of the movie,
Speaker 2: it wouldn't have felt out of place right exactly, but
Speaker 2: in the moment at that time, it did feel.
Speaker 1: Out of place.
Speaker 4: And it goes back to how this actor is playing
Speaker 4: this character, which was just yeah, it was great. People
Speaker 4: have probably figured out who and now you're you're genderizing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so okay, yeah, yeah whatever whatever, Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 2: In any event, and again I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get ridiculed for this, but like Rachel McAdams
Speaker 2: is like another one of my I don't even know
Speaker 2: her real name. But the girl you always make fun
Speaker 2: of me for for like in Megan and Get Out.
Speaker 1: Will Yeah major McAdams is one.
Speaker 2: Since I was eighteen years old, I'm like, this is
Speaker 2: the most beautiful.
Speaker 3: It's weird because like I think of her because I
Speaker 3: thought she was just absolutely drop dead gorgeous in Mean
Speaker 3: Girls when she was.
Speaker 1: Really george she's georgeous and everything.
Speaker 4: Well, but then since then, I think she's more like
Speaker 4: she's she's more beautiful, if that makes sense. Okay, And
Speaker 4: and uh, and she did like I loved her in
Speaker 4: Spotlight God Bad you saw Spop? Yeah, okay, loved her
Speaker 4: in that movie. Yeah, she it was weird. I think,
Speaker 4: did did she look different to you? And I know
Speaker 4: she had a mini acting hiatus? Did she look different
Speaker 4: to you from Doctor Strange one to Doctor Strange too?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, but she's still she's still hot, She's.
Speaker 1: Still absolutely everybody ages. I mean, I feel like that's
Speaker 1: part of it. She is.
Speaker 4: She is married to the guy who wrote, Oh this
Speaker 4: is gonna I wanted to remember this, he wrote what movie?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look it up right now.
Speaker 4: Okay, Because she's I think she's married to if not there,
Speaker 4: they have children to.
Speaker 2: I'd be honest with you, well, you're looking that up.
Speaker 2: If she pulls off one more horror movie, I'd be
Speaker 2: willing to label her a scream queen because I also
Speaker 2: freaking love Red Eye with her.
Speaker 3: And yeah, that was great. Red Eye was really good.
Speaker 2: I think that's a low key banger that doesn't get enough.
Speaker 2: And you have you ever seen the trailer for that movie?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first half of it's like a rom column
Speaker 2: and then like there's a hard twist and I remember
Speaker 2: seeing that as a team Yeah, uh, this is this
Speaker 2: is genius.
Speaker 1: And sure enough the movie.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. The twist happen fairly early.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like twenty minutes into it.
Speaker 2: But like the whole half the trailer is the first
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes, like him guessing her drink and being like witty.
Speaker 3: The complexity of the grapefruit.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's like and like then the voice over
Speaker 2: like the cheesy ninies big sometimes you meet love in
Speaker 2: the most unexpected places, and like they lean into that
Speaker 2: element of it and then it turns out it's like,
Speaker 2: oh no, he actually is a terrorist and he has
Speaker 2: her father hostage.
Speaker 3: You know what else?
Speaker 4: I will say that I think she was I mean,
Speaker 4: everybody ripped on True Detective season two, and by the way, deservedly, So.
Speaker 1: That's where I bailed on the series.
Speaker 3: I think I thought she was one. I thought her
Speaker 3: and Colin Farrell were two of the brighter I blocked
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: I forgot she was in it and blocked it out
Speaker 1: that much.
Speaker 3: She is married to Jamie Lindon, who wrote the film
Speaker 3: Ten Years. I don't know if you know this.
Speaker 4: No, that's with like the Tatums when they're married about
Speaker 4: a ten year high school.
Speaker 3: Reunion and all these people are coming back.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay.
Speaker 4: He wrote Dear John, which is another Channing taine of
Speaker 4: vehicle with Amanda Seafried, Seafried, Seafreed whatever. No, what I remember.
Speaker 4: He wrote We Are Marshall, which I actually just watched
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. Again, I did not realize
Speaker 4: he wrote, but yeah, and they met. I don't know
Speaker 4: where they met. They I don't know, probably set somewhere.
Speaker 4: But he went to Florida State, which is you know,
Speaker 4: I love I root for my Seminoles in college football
Speaker 4: and basketball. So that's that's why it stuck in my mind,
Speaker 4: because anytime I see Okay, I don't know if you
Speaker 4: know this.
Speaker 3: Ben, we have time, we can get into this a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 4: Like when I was growing up in like my early twenties,
Speaker 4: maybe my late teens, early twenties, I don't want to
Speaker 4: say fore gone conclusion, but I felt it was written
Speaker 4: in my life that I would marry a celebrity.
Speaker 3: Like I just feel like, so I didn't know how
Speaker 3: it was gonna happen.
Speaker 4: I just felt like, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna impress,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell a joke and she's gonna laugh and
Speaker 4: we'll fall in love and then she'll marry it. I
Speaker 4: just felt like that's kind of a weird thing to think,
Speaker 4: but I just in the back of my mind, I
Speaker 4: just always like, yeah, obviously gonna marry a celebrity. At
Speaker 4: some point, I had a rotating list of fifty okay
Speaker 4: that I would update bi monthly, like every other month,
Speaker 4: not twice a month, just kind of kind of like
Speaker 4: who I was shooting for.
Speaker 2: So you'd take time to scratch people off, be like officially,
Speaker 2: if they're interested, I'm not anything.
Speaker 4: No, no, if they were, no, the whole goal was
Speaker 4: to get somebody interested, okay, you know like that, like
Speaker 4: whether it was like number one or number thirty seven,
Speaker 4: It didn't matter.
Speaker 2: But if it's a list of fifty and then you
Speaker 2: find five new ones, did it become a list of
Speaker 2: fifty five?
Speaker 3: No? No, some people would drop off.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, I mean, dude, as stupid as this sounds,
Speaker 4: who's going to keep a.
Speaker 3: List of fifty five. It's a list of fifty.
Speaker 1: So I don't even know if you realize you're doing this.
Speaker 2: But because I know you've seen the show before, but
Speaker 2: as you've highlighted on this podcast, you never rewatched it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but there's an episode of Friends where they all have
Speaker 2: their list of five celebrities.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that they can sleep with. Yeah, and he
Speaker 3: means Isabella Rosaline.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he has the list that's laminated, but he
Speaker 2: had taken her off, so she was.
Speaker 4: If I lived I lived, if I lived in New York,
Speaker 4: and it's it's totally different because you're I mean, Appleton, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: You're not going to meet a.
Speaker 2: Whole unless you go to sky what's it called sky
Speaker 2: Lounge or whatever? The comedy class.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, why could I not think of it? Skyline
Speaker 4: comedy Skyline Anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 3: How we got on this.
Speaker 4: Oh, So so anytime I see a movie and I
Speaker 4: feel like even a hint of attraction to one of
Speaker 4: the characters, which obviously I do.
Speaker 3: With Rachel McAdams, I always look her up like is
Speaker 3: she single?
Speaker 1: OA?
Speaker 3: Is she divorced? Separated?
Speaker 4: Just just like yeah, just just because, like you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's always nice to know you have a shot.
Speaker 1: Oh your husband's a writer. Huh, I couldn't have to direct?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, what's Oh god, who was who
Speaker 4: is the one? Scarlett Johansson and Colin Jost? Yeah, like
Speaker 4: what is going on there? And he I don't even
Speaker 4: know if he was, like maybe he was hosting Weekend
Speaker 4: Update when they met. But but there's plenty of like of.
Speaker 1: She's an avenger. I don't care what your host did.
Speaker 3: Tina Fey married a writer, you know.
Speaker 4: So anyway, I'm getting off track here, off topic exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So my my whole and like my wife, like, listen,
Speaker 4: we're we like being married to each other.
Speaker 3: We're very happy, we're in love.
Speaker 4: But I don't think like I just I don't know.
Speaker 4: I've never talked to my wife. I would never talk
Speaker 4: to my wife about this, but I feel like if say.
Speaker 1: I'm going to this one.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of a good one. Let's say
Speaker 4: Danielle Fischel, who was always top five for me boy
Speaker 4: means World Pega Lawrence. If she and I think she's married, Oh,
Speaker 4: she's married to a total goober. You should see this
Speaker 4: guy like you could have done so much better. But
Speaker 4: if she like let and she's a Packers fan, which
Speaker 4: I always thought was my inn right, I have my
Speaker 4: buddy Freddie raz got me a Tepenga trading card that's
Speaker 4: sitting in my office at home on my on my depth. Anyway,
Speaker 4: if if like we mean it a Packers game or whatever,
Speaker 4: and we're flirting back and forth and she wants to
Speaker 4: like she's like, hey, I think we should pursue this
Speaker 4: and and and you know, I think my wife would understand.
Speaker 4: I would never bring this up to her, But I
Speaker 4: just feel like, in the back.
Speaker 3: Of my mind she'd probably understand you.
Speaker 4: And you know what, and you know what she's talking
Speaker 4: about seeing Backstreet boys. Again, if if I have always
Speaker 4: said this and this isn't even like a like a
Speaker 4: thing like if she like and I would never tell
Speaker 4: her this either. But if she has the chance to
Speaker 4: get low with Nick Carter something like that.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Yeah, absolutely, I mean it wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Like like just just like, hey, this is like a
Speaker 4: once in a lifetime opportunity.
Speaker 3: I'll understand. I'll get over it.
Speaker 1: You do you I might too, I might too, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's why I found out how Rachel McAdams is
Speaker 4: with and by the way, you know what else I
Speaker 4: learned about her and I guess I didn't realize that
Speaker 4: she's Canadian.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was gonna say, it makes me like her less.
Speaker 1: That's mean. I love Canada.
Speaker 4: I always used to get her mixed up with Rebecca
Speaker 4: Hall for years, and Rebecca Hall, I think is nowhere
Speaker 4: near as gorgeous as as Rachel McAdams is. But I
Speaker 4: would always be like, oh, yeah, it's that movie with
Speaker 4: with Rebecca Hall. Oh no, it's Rachel McAdams is in
Speaker 4: that one. You know, for years I got.
Speaker 1: Him Channing Tatum and John Cena.
Speaker 3: I could see that.
Speaker 1: I do it all the time.
Speaker 3: Acting chops I think are somewhat similar to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although I do refer to John Cena as the
Speaker 2: poor man's Channing Tatum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably pretty accurate, because yeah, I think Tatum
Speaker 4: is a is a more advanced.
Speaker 1: Is great. He seems like a very nice dude. I
Speaker 1: enjoyed the movies that I see him in.
Speaker 3: He got you gotta type cast him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he does does not have a whole lot of range,
Speaker 4: which is okay. No, my buddy stir Fry tells me,
Speaker 4: he's like, you gotta see this, you gotta see this funny. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's with what's his name? From Beat the Bad Friends
Speaker 4: podcast Sam Andrew Santino. Yeah, I wouldn't know who else
Speaker 4: is in that one. Oh god, it's uh zach Efron
Speaker 4: in that too, yes, zach Efro. And I can't remember
Speaker 4: who the third friend.
Speaker 2: Years ago, but like I still randomly anytime anyone talks
Speaker 2: to me. But I almost said about Channing Tatum, about
Speaker 2: about John Cena, I mean, have you seen Ricky?
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said it's great, But he did also say
Speaker 4: you got to see Blockers, And I saw Blockers.
Speaker 2: That was fine. Yeah, that one was okay. Again, I
Speaker 2: when people like, well, who's in Blockers? And I remember
Speaker 2: very Villas in there.
Speaker 3: Remember John Cena was in that G I.
Speaker 1: Joe movie with just They looked very similar.
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's wrap this up.
Speaker 4: I want to make sure, we hit on all the
Speaker 4: points that we talked about.
Speaker 3: Did it ever drag? No, not at all, Not at
Speaker 3: all me neither.
Speaker 4: It was almost too There was a couple of conversation
Speaker 4: conversations on the beach, but I was dialed into those
Speaker 4: conversations because I felt like.
Speaker 3: It was important because of how one of these care
Speaker 3: was evolving. Yeah, every dialogue ending totally believable. By the way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was not any kind of like, you know,
Speaker 4: the big reveal of the big twist.
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, yeah, right, I was not. I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, this is awesome.
Speaker 2: Now I'm telling you. I said it to start the podcast.
Speaker 2: I think I might pull the trigger because if I don't,
Speaker 2: this is exactly I am. This movie is made for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I had so much fun.
Speaker 3: I don't know there's enough for you.
Speaker 2: There was, But like, again, it doesn't have to be
Speaker 2: all gore, you know what I mean? Like and realistically,
Speaker 2: like I love the Saw movies. I don't love them
Speaker 2: for the gore. I love them for the story. And
Speaker 2: then the gore is just a part of part of
Speaker 2: the entire process for it. And again, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: a Sam Raimi fan boy, like to bring this full circle.
Speaker 2: I feel like this is a good story to end
Speaker 2: it on the whole idea of Cabin in the Woods, which,
Speaker 2: for those of you listening this, this whole podcast was
Speaker 2: kind of birthed from me saying that Cabin in the
Speaker 2: Woods was a masterpiece and you saying like it was fine,
Speaker 2: like Cabin in the Woods is all a mom on tage.
Speaker 3: Hold On. First of all, I did not say it
Speaker 3: was fine.
Speaker 1: I said it was fine.
Speaker 3: I said it was really good.
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't I the thing that I always stopped
Speaker 4: short of calling it was a masterpiece. I never wanted
Speaker 4: to call it a master.
Speaker 2: But it was.
Speaker 3: It was. It was good.
Speaker 4: I liked it, it was it was very cool. It
Speaker 4: What was great about it was I don't want to
Speaker 4: turn this into Cabin other Woods.
Speaker 2: But but I think it's a good way to end it,
Speaker 2: just because the whole thing was I Sam Raimi. And
Speaker 2: that's why I love Cabin in the Woods is because
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I get why they're doing this because
Speaker 2: Sam Raimi did this in nineteen eighty two.
Speaker 1: Like that. I loved that kind development.
Speaker 3: In that sense, it is a masterpiece as far as
Speaker 3: film goes.
Speaker 1: It is not yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's just a really good and you know, and
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this too, I can't rewatch. It cannot
Speaker 3: cannot rewatch.
Speaker 1: I've seen it at least four times.
Speaker 4: But what made it so great for me is I
Speaker 4: didn't know over the top ending. For sure, well it's
Speaker 4: over the top ending, but I didn't really part of
Speaker 4: what What I was intrigued me watching it is like
Speaker 4: there's like kind of like these two separate storylines going on,
Speaker 4: two separate plots that are connected, but they're not connected
Speaker 4: to each other. And and I didn't really know what
Speaker 4: was going on, and then you know, once it's revealed
Speaker 4: what's going on, and then the ending, it's just kind
Speaker 4: of like, I don't know, man, it's I can't it doesn't.
Speaker 3: It does not hold the same weight the second viewing.
Speaker 3: I've tried. Why you know what, I will watch right,
Speaker 3: I think, like.
Speaker 4: When the gates get opened, I want to say, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: where everybody's just yeah, dude.
Speaker 3: I will rewatch that every time.
Speaker 2: I've passed that scene, just to like embrace everything, because
Speaker 2: I always pick something different every time I see it.
Speaker 4: It's just that that, and then I'll watch it all
Speaker 4: the way to the end. But the whole setup, it's
Speaker 4: just too much, for lack of a better term.
Speaker 3: It's too much masturbation, like to undergo all that to
Speaker 3: see that at the end.
Speaker 2: But I'm getting dejaan Vou says, stop me if I've
Speaker 2: told this on the podcast before, but like what always
Speaker 2: sticks out to me because it was it's so gratuitous.
Speaker 1: In that movie.
Speaker 2: But if you've seen The Evil Dead Evil Dead two specifically,
Speaker 2: you're just like, oh, I get it, because an Evil
Speaker 2: Dead too. There's a wolf head on the wall and
Speaker 2: it turns and starts all the chairs start talking to
Speaker 2: Bruce Campbell in the cabin, and then the wolf head
Speaker 2: on the wall turns to him and starts talking. And
Speaker 2: then you go to cabin in the woods and the
Speaker 2: same wolfhead is on the wall and they're playing truth
Speaker 2: or Dare and the stoner dares the hot blonde to
Speaker 2: go and make out with the wolf, and you think
Speaker 2: the wolf's gonna come alive the whole time, and it
Speaker 2: never does. She just tongue kisses this thing for like
Speaker 2: forty five seconds, pulls away and just goes thank you.
Speaker 2: Because that movie set the precedent for ba ba ba
Speaker 2: ba ba a billion different movies that all stole like
Speaker 2: that kind of like there's moments like that we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: these guys are fucking.
Speaker 3: Just on Boyd, who did that movie? Do we know?
Speaker 1: I can figure that out now?
Speaker 4: Okay, one other thing I wanted to bring up, actually Campbell, Yes,
Speaker 4: that's what I was gonna bring up. He was Did
Speaker 4: you notice I didn't because he was He was not.
Speaker 4: It was pictures of him in this movie. He was
Speaker 4: not actually acting in real life. He was Bradley Preston's father,
Speaker 4: the owner of the company. So if you look in
Speaker 4: the office, like you'll see photos of Bradley and Bruce
Speaker 4: Campbell together.
Speaker 2: I'm not in bad health or something like why wouldn't
Speaker 2: they find a way to show him dying or something?
Speaker 3: How old is he?
Speaker 2: I mean, he's got to be Drew Goddard. First of all,
Speaker 2: did the Cabin in the Woods? Bad Time? At the
Speaker 2: at the El Royaley? That project Hail Mary that's coming out?
Speaker 2: The Martian Cloverfield this guy's good or the.
Speaker 3: Wow, Yeah, Martian was great. I thought Hail Mary already
Speaker 3: came out. It didn't. I Okay, when the hell does
Speaker 3: that come out? They've been pumping it up for.
Speaker 2: A while yeah, sometime in March, I don't remember when,
Speaker 2: all right, and then what was the twenty seven years
Speaker 2: old the.
Speaker 3: El Royale movie. Wasn't Hemsworth in that too?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 3: So he's done two Hemsworth movies?
Speaker 2: Well what was the Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, they get along.
Speaker 2: He did all three clover Field movies, which they were
Speaker 2: all so different. Yeah, he was going to do the
Speaker 2: Sinister sixth movie with Andrew Garfield that got canned after
Speaker 2: they is they scrapped that whole universe.
Speaker 4: I know I can always bring it back with the multiverse.
Speaker 4: It all comes back to Marble.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, X Force did they end up? Did they
Speaker 1: scrap this one too? Oh? Yeah, they canceled it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, he was supposed to do that with dead
Speaker 2: Pool and the rest of that cast as well.
Speaker 3: They could still obviously go back to that.
Speaker 4: I just feel like, after you've done Deadpool and Wolverine
Speaker 4: and Waiver Doomsday coming up. I just don't Yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't really see a way that you can make that.
Speaker 4: Maybe you can, well, no, you can't even make it
Speaker 4: as a television show because Ryan Reynolds wouldn't do it
Speaker 4: then and without Deadpool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no point to do that at that point.
Speaker 2: All right, I think we've gone far enough with this. Please,
Speaker 2: I'm doing it ten out of ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So so here's my problem. I probably rated Mercy too
Speaker 4: high last week because I have to rate this one
Speaker 4: higher because I enjoyed it so much more. I am
Speaker 4: going to go with an eight point seventy five better
Speaker 4: than eight and a half, not quite as good as
Speaker 4: a nine. And I think it was because Rachel McAdams
Speaker 4: was maybe too good and I wanted to see more
Speaker 4: interplay between two actors really at the peak of their powers,
Speaker 4: you know, and I didn't see that. And whether that
Speaker 4: was by design or not, maybe if they do that,
Speaker 4: then McAdams performance isn't as good.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But so I take away for that, right and you know,
Speaker 4: and I don't know. Maybe maybe that's my only problem
Speaker 4: with this because the rest of it was so good
Speaker 4: it kept me on my toes for most of the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 4: eight point seventy five. But I just do think that
Speaker 4: whole that of that, that play between the actors, it
Speaker 4: just wasn't It wasn't. It didn't meet my my expectations
Speaker 4: for a ten, okay, or a nine or higher.
Speaker 1: Also, bonus points for originality.
Speaker 3: And very very original.
Speaker 2: It's not because like Running Man was great, it was
Speaker 2: a reboot the Longest Walk or The Long Walk was
Speaker 2: just great. It was a short story turned into another thing,
Speaker 2: like this was its own thing.
Speaker 4: I will say, did it remind you of because this
Speaker 4: was you know, I'm just thinking about this again. This
Speaker 4: is kind of a horror movie set in a tropical
Speaker 4: What about.
Speaker 1: Old Oh a little bit, yeah, definite.
Speaker 4: A little bit of an aspect to that as well,
Speaker 4: but fresh twists and and I felt like I didn't
Speaker 4: bring this up early. I'll bring it up now to
Speaker 4: close it out. I felt like, God, they're really setting
Speaker 4: this story up here, like get to the island, get
Speaker 4: on the plane already they're on the plane like twenty
Speaker 4: minutes into the movie. Oh yeah, it's felt like a
Speaker 4: long time, but it really wasn't.
Speaker 2: And I will say, having just gotten back from Thailand,
Speaker 2: the one thing that stuck out to me. I'm not
Speaker 2: willing to take off parts for this.
Speaker 3: You are you glad that you watched this movie after
Speaker 3: you went to Thailand, after you got back, after you
Speaker 3: went on those flights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, But one thing I did notice, because
Speaker 2: there's only so many airports. I island hopped onto four
Speaker 2: different islands over the two weeks, and with planes. Uh,
Speaker 2: first I got I went to a plane to the
Speaker 2: first one. Then you ferry from island. But every single
Speaker 2: like the planes come and go from that one place,
Speaker 2: probably four or five times. It's not a huge airport,
Speaker 2: but like it's two different places around the Thailand area,
Speaker 2: and they always fly very low. Like I remember looking
Speaker 2: down at all the islands, being like, man if I
Speaker 2: were trying to hide, people be looking at me all
Speaker 2: the time on these islands, and I was sitting there,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't believe not a single plane is
Speaker 2: flying over these islands right now. And like again there's
Speaker 2: thousands of them, so maybe they're just not in run
Speaker 2: of one of those ones.
Speaker 1: But I can tell you, like I actually had the
Speaker 1: thought without having seen this movie.
Speaker 2: I'm looking out of my plane window and I'm like,
Speaker 2: man if I wanted to go off the grid, I
Speaker 2: just hop on one of these islands, but these planes
Speaker 2: would inevitably find me.
Speaker 4: I think that, And I don't know. I mean, I
Speaker 4: don't want to reveal too much, but there are plenty
Speaker 4: of shots of a very expansive ocean. Yeah, that make
Speaker 4: make it seem like this is pretty desperate, pretty desperate. Sure,
Speaker 4: yeah yeah, but whether it stuck out, whether it was
Speaker 4: or not, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in any event, that's send help. Would absolutely
Speaker 2: recommend catching it in theaters before it leaves. But whenever,
Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it. Good luck, have fun, don't.
Speaker 4: They don't die. That's the next one. I can't wait.
Speaker 4: That's gonna be. I've showed the trailer to other people.
Speaker 4: They're like, I don't know what this is, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: neither do Ben and I. Yeah, that's why we're gonna be.
Speaker 1: Talking about exactly. So looking forward to getting into that
Speaker 1: one with you guys. Have a good week.