WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:01.800 I'll be honest with you, man. 2 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:05.320 I Uh, I was struggling today at work and I 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:07.120 was about to text you, and I was going to say, 4 00:00:07.879 --> 00:00:11.160 because of your sickness, yes, okay, yes I've You can 5 00:00:11.199 --> 00:00:13.080 probably hear it in my voice that I've come down 6 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:15.720 with something. And I was getting ready to text you, 7 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:17.600 and I was going to be like, we got a postpone, 8 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:19.160 we got we got to put this off for a week. 9 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:20.879 I know we took a couple of weeks off, but 10 00:00:20.960 --> 00:00:22.800 I hate I hate skipping by God to save the 11 00:00:22.879 --> 00:00:26.960 voice and the only thing that convinced me that we 12 00:00:26.960 --> 00:00:29.239 were going to do this no matter what. 13 00:00:28.800 --> 00:00:29.920 What's how good this movie was. 14 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:31.800 How fucking good this movie was. 15 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:35.560 I actually said during my show, Balky, I still don't 16 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:37.399 know what I'm gonna give it at the end, but 17 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:39.159 I was trying to find the clip to play it 18 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:41.159 here and I couldn't, so I'm just going to recreate it. 19 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:42.159 Uh. 20 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.640 If I don't give this a perfect score, then that 21 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.679 means the perfect movie doesn't exist, because Wow, I have 22 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.520 not come out of a movie so happy. I think 23 00:00:50.560 --> 00:00:54.159 I felt every possible emotion from the beginning of the 24 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:56.079 movie until the end of the movie. I don't think 25 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:58.280 I knew really what I was getting into, and I'm 26 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.880 so happy with what what with what we ended up with. 27 00:01:01.039 --> 00:01:05.000 I have so much to say about this. There are 28 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:08.359 so many interesting things that I noticed about this movie. 29 00:01:08.920 --> 00:01:11.439 I'll lead it off. So we're talking about Send Help. 30 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:14.799 This is directed by Sam or Amy, starring Rachel McAdams 31 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:19.799 Dylan O'Brien, about a boss and an employee being the 32 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:25.439 lone survivors of a plane crash a business trip to Thailand, 33 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:29.799 ironically I know, and they have to serve, they have 34 00:01:29.840 --> 00:01:32.920 to defend for themselves on this island. And it's a 35 00:01:32.959 --> 00:01:36.000 horror movie. Obviously, well I don't know about obvious, but 36 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.599 it is a horror movie. And so and it's a 37 00:01:38.599 --> 00:01:43.560 longer one. I said, it's like fifty yeah, and obviously 38 00:01:43.680 --> 00:01:46.319 it's it's gonna be more nuanced than just two people 39 00:01:46.879 --> 00:01:49.200 pulling a Tom Hanks here for two hours. There's gonna 40 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:51.000 be other stuff that happened. There's gonna be other twists. 41 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:54.120 And there were other twists, yes, which was very cool. 42 00:01:54.719 --> 00:01:57.840 So that's basically the plot of it. Let's talk about 43 00:01:58.280 --> 00:02:02.959 a horror movie be sets essentially for the majority on 44 00:02:03.000 --> 00:02:06.640 a tropical island. The only one I can think about 45 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.280 to compare this to where it was like Paradise and 46 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:10.280 it was a horror movie. 47 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:13.719 Can you think of any uh with only two people? 48 00:02:13.719 --> 00:02:16.319 Because I could say Fantasy Island was a recent one 49 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:16.840 that came out. 50 00:02:17.120 --> 00:02:17.919 I forgot about that one. 51 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:21.560 Yeah, okay, No, the one that came to mind Broken 52 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:25.240 Lizards Club, trash. Sure that was the only and so 53 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:27.400 And obviously that's more of a comedy than a horror. 54 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:28.840 It was like comedy horror or whatever. 55 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:31.599 Yeah, but what rated movie? Yeah? 56 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.319 Definitely? What did you make of that? What did the 57 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:35.319 setting do for you? 58 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:35.479 That? 59 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:38.199 This was kind of unique when it comes to this genre? 60 00:02:38.800 --> 00:02:40.759 You know what I mean? Did it lull you into 61 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:42.479 a false sense of security? A little bit? 62 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:44.560 Took the words right out of my mouth. There were 63 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:46.759 there were several times, I'll admit there were a couple 64 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:48.719 of jump scares that hit like a ton of bricks. 65 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:51.759 There was one jump scare and I think you know 66 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.400 what I'm talking about in sort of like it was 67 00:02:54.439 --> 00:02:58.919 like a hazy sequence, yeah, for one of the characters. 68 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:02.000 And I I didn't jump at all. I did not jump, 69 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.680 And I'm like, why even put that in there? And 70 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:06.599 I thought it was a little gratuitous, but I thought 71 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:07.520 you might have enjoyed it. 72 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:08.719 Oh, I absolutely did. 73 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.680 I didn't jump either, but it's because so I grew 74 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:14.840 up in a horror family and it's a mark of pride. 75 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:16.560 My dad was the only one that jumped, and he 76 00:03:16.560 --> 00:03:19.159 would always get blocked when he jumped, and I learned 77 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:20.879 in the movie. I learned how to do it. In 78 00:03:21.159 --> 00:03:23.439 was the Ring when they say you should have seen 79 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:25.479 her face. I was twelve years old, and it just 80 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.479 pans to the woman in the closet with the messed 81 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:28.280 up looking face. 82 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:29.360 The loud music. 83 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.199 One of the better executed jump scares in all of horror, 84 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:35.360 in my opinion, And I remembered feeling the jump scare 85 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:38.360 pulse through my entire body. I felt everything go chill, 86 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:41.560 but nothing actually moved on the outside. And I was like, okay, 87 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:44.199 this is how you do this now going forward. And 88 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:46.840 I had that feeling yesterday during that jump scares, like 89 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:50.400 everyone in my theater jumped. We all started laughing. It 90 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.000 was a very fun great watch this movie. 91 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:54.800 With Okay, yeah, I was gonna say it was more 92 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.759 like funny and cheeky than I mean, it was a 93 00:03:57.840 --> 00:04:00.120 jump scare, but it was kind of like, yeah, I 94 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.120 don't know, it's like and I will say it was 95 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:03.080 one of those things like at. 96 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:04.560 The end of the you know, we need a pepper 97 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:05.759 something in here. I agree. 98 00:04:06.240 --> 00:04:09.199 I agree, because the hunting scene also had a moment 99 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:09.840 that I was just like. 100 00:04:10.080 --> 00:04:12.240 There were several hunting scenes. I don't know which one you're. 101 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:14.560 Talking but the one that had, like, in my opinion, 102 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:16.959 a pretty well executed I don't want to spoil when 103 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.480 the jump scare is, so I'm going to leave that vegue. 104 00:04:19.480 --> 00:04:24.360 But we're talking about the first hunting scene. Okay, oh yeah, yeah, 105 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:25.519 I think I know what you're talking about. 106 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.319 I was just like, but like, again, all on the inside, 107 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.319 but I would say outside of that, it wasn't necessarily 108 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.360 a horror as much as it was a psychological thriller. 109 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:35.319 Yeah. 110 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:36.879 I think it was a combination of it too. 111 00:04:36.959 --> 00:04:39.879 I think I think it was one part psychological tearor 112 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:43.439 I think it was one part horror very little comedy. 113 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:46.360 I think there was quite a bit of comedy. I'm 114 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:47.839 telling you. My failure was laughing. 115 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.560 There was one moment son of a Gun. I even 116 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.720 made mental note where the guy says something was such 117 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.759 a sarcastic tone, and me and one other dude in 118 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.480 the back row couldn't stop laughing. And I don't remember 119 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:01.680 what it was, but he executed the delivery of the 120 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.360 lines so perfectly, okay that I it just hit because 121 00:05:05.360 --> 00:05:07.600 it's exactly what I would have said in the moment. 122 00:05:07.680 --> 00:05:10.199 And I don't know, God, I wish I could remember. 123 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.199 But there's in my opinion, Sam Raimi evil Dead too. 124 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:14.720 I think I should probably get this out of the way. 125 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:17.600 Is in my opinion, one of the hallmark staples of 126 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:19.800 all of American cinema. I think it is one of 127 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:23.160 the best examples of horror comedy ever to have been executed. 128 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:26.199 Little little corny by today's standards, I mean, it is 129 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:29.000 the early eighties, but for when it came out, in 130 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:31.000 the fact that there was nothing like it at the time, 131 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:33.920 this kind of hit on that. I think he has 132 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.639 horror comedy down pat and I think this exemplified that. 133 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:42.000 Yeah, there are moments I don't know, like I think 134 00:05:42.040 --> 00:05:44.959 for me, there are some maybe parts of you phone 135 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.279 comedic I phoned a little unsettling, maybe because I didn't 136 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:51.879 know exactly what the character was thinking. Because I didn't 137 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:53.800 I didn't really understand. I mean I feel like I 138 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:58.399 understood Dylan O'Brien's character. Bravo to Rachel mccadams in that 139 00:05:58.720 --> 00:06:01.160 what a performance that she had. Not that this is 140 00:06:01.199 --> 00:06:03.680 oscar worthy or anything like that, because it's not. But 141 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:09.920 the character she played from soup to nuts. The evolution 142 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:13.839 this character undergoes a significant evolution. Basically, we'll set this up. 143 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:15.240 I don't think this is a spoiler. 144 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:17.720 She is mistreated at work. 145 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:18.360 That's in the trailer. 146 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:23.680 Yeah, absolutely, And her boss, Dylan is Dylan O'Brien, and 147 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:27.560 he basically screws her over for a promotion and it 148 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:30.720 really hits her emotionally. One of the other aspects we 149 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:33.759 learned she not only is she a massive fan of 150 00:06:33.759 --> 00:06:37.319 the television show Survivor, she she has all we see 151 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:40.759 this this she reads intro what do you call it 152 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.480 the bookshelf? Yeah, the bookshelf? But that what do you 153 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:48.000 call that exposition? You have all this exposition of like 154 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:51.560 how like she she is like a true survivalist, Like 155 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:55.040 if she was ever, you know, stranded somewhere, she's going 156 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:57.680 to know how to take care of herself. So then 157 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.519 this plane crash is they're the only two survivors and 158 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:05.959 the roles completely flip because Dylan O'Brien is the silver spoon. 159 00:07:07.560 --> 00:07:09.720 You know. He even says, like, nobody's ever taught me 160 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:10.560 how to do anything. 161 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.720 Would that scenario, I would have been willing to learn 162 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:15.839 more than he was. 163 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:19.920 No, But I think because he's such a nepo baby 164 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:22.680 that like he can't his brain can't think like that, 165 00:07:22.879 --> 00:07:25.279 Like he is just all about Okay, when do we 166 00:07:25.279 --> 00:07:28.519 get off when someone's like it's me, like, obviously I'm 167 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:32.040 gonna be saved or whatever, and the roles get reversed 168 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:37.000 where she is thriving now and he is basically this 169 00:07:38.920 --> 00:07:40.600 and and by the way, she's really good at her 170 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.360 job too, from what we from what you so she's 171 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:45.839 good at both. But she gets mistreated and and whatever, 172 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:49.279 and she's a little it's weird because she starts off. 173 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:55.480 Her character is so socially awkward. In this film. We 174 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:59.360 we find out she lives alone with a parakeet, so 175 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.560 there's not a lot of human contact for her outside 176 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.079 of work. She kind of tries to invite herself to 177 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:05.959 get together. 178 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:07.560 That killed me on the inside. 179 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:09.639 Hilarious, hilarious, See. 180 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:10.839 To me, it was cringe. I hated it. 181 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:13.639 Well, it was cringe, yeah, obviously, but but it was 182 00:08:13.680 --> 00:08:14.759 it was it was hilarious. 183 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:18.480 You know, was bedazzled with Brendan Fraser. 184 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.720 And Elizabeth Hurley. I don't I can't remember if I 185 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:21.519 even saw that that. 186 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:24.279 Was the weaviest guy, and he would always go over 187 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.319 and then his coworkers would make fun of him, but 188 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:28.319 he wouldn't realize they were making fun of him. And 189 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.000 I'm just like, ah, poor Brendan Fraser. And that's that's 190 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.759 how I felt for this woman. Again, I felt every emotion. 191 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:36.360 I was sad during most scenes rich. 192 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:38.320 Okay, well, and I think that you're meant to to 193 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:45.440 do to feel that way, and then the plane crash happens, 194 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:52.080 and she just becomes she's she's she looks, she looks 195 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.720 more assertive. I don't know if that was like filmmaking 196 00:08:54.799 --> 00:08:57.600 or just like how she played it. She looked more assertive, 197 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:02.039 she looked more like like a sort of very attractive 198 00:09:02.080 --> 00:09:05.360 but dominant female that dominant females can't be attractive, but 199 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.120 you know what I mean, Like, yeah, her beauty was 200 00:09:08.159 --> 00:09:11.399 much more accentuated. Once she was on the island. She 201 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.759 seemed much more at home on the island, where Dylan 202 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:18.919 O'Brien is not have his fancy designer clothes, and so 203 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:22.360 the rolls completely flipped. And I don't know about you, Ben, 204 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:28.799 I had problems probably about forty five minutes in, maybe 205 00:09:28.879 --> 00:09:33.639 fifty minutes in. About forty forty five minutes in, I 206 00:09:33.720 --> 00:09:34.440 didn't know who I. 207 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:35.320 Was supposed to root for. 208 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:37.279 Okay, I'm glad you bring that up. 209 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:39.519 Didn't know who I was supposed to identify with. I 210 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:43.279 didn't know. And by the way, it flipped a few times. 211 00:09:43.320 --> 00:09:45.600 So so you kind of ran the gamut there. So 212 00:09:45.720 --> 00:09:47.639 let me say before we move on to that, because 213 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:49.639 I made a mental note of this watching it. I 214 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:52.440 think I've never seen any of the Maze Runner movies. 215 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:57.279 Dylan O'Brien filmography is very very limited. I had never 216 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:58.159 seen him in anything. 217 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:01.039 He was in an episode of Curb Your and threw Okay, I'm. 218 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:03.279 Sure I saw that, but I don't. I don't remember 219 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:04.000 because he's. 220 00:10:03.879 --> 00:10:07.399 Been in some other stuff too, so I haven't. Oh 221 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.039 you have it, Yeah, I have it up. And it's 222 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.679 a Team Wolf, the show which I didn't watch forgot 223 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.039 about that. There's one, two, three Mays Runner movies that 224 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:20.679 he was in. Yeah, twinless came out last year American 225 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:22.799 Assassin from twenty seventeen. 226 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:24.039 And heard of that, and I heard it was not bad. 227 00:10:24.159 --> 00:10:26.720 I've heard of it, haven't seen it either. Love in Monsters, 228 00:10:26.759 --> 00:10:29.320 which I've also heard of from twenty twenty haven't seen it. 229 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:32.200 And Caddo Lake from twenty twenty four. 230 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.519 Did he do any I feel like I'm missing something here. 231 00:10:34.519 --> 00:10:36.399 Do you do anything in television. 232 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:40.200 That's movie and shows his entire so and my thought 233 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:42.360 watching and I'm not saying that he was bad or 234 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.120 he somehow took away from the movie. Rachel McAdams was 235 00:10:45.159 --> 00:10:48.200 acting circles around him. I thought her, like you picked 236 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.480 up on it as well. I thought what she did 237 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:52.320 was absolutely phenomenal. 238 00:10:52.600 --> 00:10:55.320 Okay to interrupt, I will say that she had the 239 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:58.039 much more challenging role and film. 240 00:10:58.120 --> 00:10:59.120 Yes, I will agree. 241 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:03.799 So I think Dylan O'Brien's character we saw very little growth. Yeah, 242 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.159 and I don't think we wanted to see necessarily that 243 00:11:06.240 --> 00:11:06.759 much growth. 244 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:07.840 Well, I'll get into that because. 245 00:11:07.639 --> 00:11:09.360 I do there was there was some growth, I guess. 246 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.759 But so point two to what you brought up before 247 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.759 I get to the main point, was it is always 248 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:17.240 stuck out to me in movies when you get stranded 249 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:20.240 that the people always still look attractive, And I've always 250 00:11:20.240 --> 00:11:23.080 thought that that was dumb. I think they intentionally did 251 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:24.720 that with me because you said, oh, it seems like 252 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:26.559 she got more attractive the longest. 253 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:29.879 I think she's good looking. I think she's good looking anyway. 254 00:11:30.559 --> 00:11:32.879 But like you're not, your hairs grow, you don't have 255 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.039 makeup like I think movies in general for men and 256 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:37.639 women you should be looking ugly. 257 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:42.080 But there are certain women and well men too, that 258 00:11:42.240 --> 00:11:47.000 just the natural Yeah, natural beauties. And it's not like, 259 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.200 I mean, should we say how long they were stuck 260 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:51.240 on this island or is that better not. 261 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:53.159 To No, yeah, let it ket it play out. 262 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.559 I will say that the amount of time that they 263 00:11:55.559 --> 00:11:59.600 were stuck on this island, this wasn't like a Gilligan's 264 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:02.759 Island type thing where they were there for years and 265 00:12:02.840 --> 00:12:05.240 years and years and years. They were there for a 266 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:09.480 certain amount of time where I don't or or what 267 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:13.879 was the movie with Brookshields back in the day, Blue Lagoon, right, Yeah, 268 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.360 that would have moved with Yeah, And I mean they 269 00:12:16.360 --> 00:12:19.080 were attractive like the whole time. Part of the reason 270 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:20.960 I think is because they're growing up so like you're 271 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.799 naturally normally very attractive in your like twenties or whatever 272 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:26.080 or what. 273 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.000 And then it aging The. 274 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.159 Reason I disagree with your assessment though, is that Dylan, 275 00:12:32.080 --> 00:12:37.000 Dylan O'Brien, they chopped his lips, his hair looked looked haggard. 276 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.440 Well, because he didn't have the skills, He didn't know 277 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.000 how to protect himself, and he didn't want to take 278 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:44.559 for a little bit, he didn't want to take any 279 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:46.480 advice from her, right, right. 280 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.240 But I guess what I'm saying is I think the 281 00:12:48.279 --> 00:12:51.559 aesthetic of both characters was an artistic choice as opposed 282 00:12:51.600 --> 00:12:51.799 to me. 283 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:55.480 I think it was because of how you're supposed to 284 00:12:55.559 --> 00:12:57.279 view these characters in this environment. 285 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.320 Yes, right, and people excel better in environments. Now, the 286 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.279 third point that you brought up and the most important 287 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:03.960 one that I want to get into, because I was 288 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:08.240 nervous about that going into this movie. I thought point 289 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:11.679 you said that you oscillated back and forth one on 290 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:14.360 how you felt about the characters. And I think we 291 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:16.759 talked about this before, but it's been a problem a 292 00:13:16.799 --> 00:13:18.679 lot in like the last eight years of movies. But 293 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.960 there's an idea called a Mary Sue where that's essentially 294 00:13:22.120 --> 00:13:25.480 Ray from the New Star Wars trilogy, where it's like 295 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.799 she's inherently better than everybody with a lightsaber, and also 296 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:31.919 she can fix the Millennium Falcon better than Harrison Ford can, 297 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.440 and she knows how to forage through the desert, and 298 00:13:34.559 --> 00:13:37.399 she just is good at everything all the time, and 299 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:40.200 it kind of makes the character one note compared to 300 00:13:40.200 --> 00:13:43.120 a Luke Skywalker who sucked at everything and kind of 301 00:13:43.200 --> 00:13:46.159 grows into being the Jedi master that you know him 302 00:13:46.159 --> 00:13:48.720 to be. And I was nervous, especially for the first 303 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:50.720 like twenty minutes once they're on the island, I'm like, 304 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.440 is this gonna be an over the top feminist movie? 305 00:13:53.440 --> 00:13:55.600 Because I respect Sam Raimi too much for him not 306 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.399 to have depth and nuance in the movie. And I 307 00:13:58.440 --> 00:13:59.720 was like, this is gonna be one of those movies 308 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:03.120 where where the fraternity guys the dick and she turns 309 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:05.320 out is good at everything all the time and has 310 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:07.480 no faults. And the movie does a very good job 311 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:10.240 of making you think that's the trajectory it's on and 312 00:14:10.279 --> 00:14:14.759 then absolutely taking you an entirely different direction that I 313 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:17.279 was thrilled that it decided to go that way. 314 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.320 Okay, yes, but the direction you're talking about, did not 315 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:25.879 necessarily negate who these characters were. 316 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.759 No, you know what I mean, it was done very well. 317 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:35.240 Like we were set up to root for Linda Oh, 318 00:14:35.279 --> 00:14:36.200 what the heck was her name? 319 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:39.759 Linda Little Linda Little ye, which is Rachel mcadam's character. 320 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.679 We were set up to rou Bradley Preston. What a 321 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:46.000 good rich white guy, right, Yeah? And she always called 322 00:14:46.000 --> 00:14:48.159 them Bradley too. Yeah. 323 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.960 So anyway, we're we're shown that we should be rooting 324 00:14:53.000 --> 00:15:00.679 for this character, right, Yeah. And what I did not realize, well, okay, 325 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:04.159 the first time she makes a revelation on the island 326 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.960 or something is revealed to her, right, were you at 327 00:15:06.960 --> 00:15:08.600 all surprised that that happened? 328 00:15:08.679 --> 00:15:10.279 Yes, I'm sorry. 329 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.519 Were you all at all surprised about how she reacted 330 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:19.120 to it? Like what she did after that the first revelation, Yeah, 331 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.440 where something's revealed to her, she makes a choice whether 332 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.440 to do something or not do something. 333 00:15:24.960 --> 00:15:25.200 Yeah. 334 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:26.960 No, I was not surprised. 335 00:15:27.000 --> 00:15:27.519 Me neither. 336 00:15:27.879 --> 00:15:30.759 And I feel like that's when something got flipped and 337 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:34.559 I'm like, okay, yes, we're dealing with something here now. 338 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:37.960 Yeah, there's actually there's one line of dialogue because I'm 339 00:15:38.120 --> 00:15:41.559 very Uh, those kinds I call those to bring it 340 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.679 back as we always do. I call them Marvel lines 341 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.559 of dialogue when like there's like a random thing apropos 342 00:15:46.600 --> 00:15:49.159 of nothing, like oh, if I fly my Iron Man 343 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.799 suit too high, uh, the icing problem happens and then 344 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.720 you're like, okay, so later fly too high right like 345 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:58.759 and every especially the old school Marvel movies, always had 346 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:00.559 that gimmick, so I always look out out for it. 347 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.440 And like she points out a destination on the island, 348 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:05.639 She's like, yeah, it's all though, it's all poisonous. 349 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.360 No, no, no, no, I'm saying that the revelation became 350 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:08.879 before that. 351 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:11.720 No, I'm saying yes, yes, a thousand percent, but I'm 352 00:16:11.759 --> 00:16:14.480 saying once it hit that point. And I'm like, oh so, 353 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:18.320 oh so you're saying like it was snowballing at that point. 354 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.200 I'm like, oh, there's something. I was like, that's either 355 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.320 where all this like we know exactly what it was. 356 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:24.840 I see. 357 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.919 I just when she said that, Yeah, when she said, oh, 358 00:16:27.960 --> 00:16:29.919 by the way, that part of the island is it's 359 00:16:30.000 --> 00:16:32.159 just there's nothing there, there's no food, there's no poison. 360 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.039 Ivy jacket Bush. 361 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:39.240 Yeah, I knew she was at that point, Yes, protecting something. 362 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:40.519 It was pretty obvious to me. 363 00:16:40.559 --> 00:16:42.480 It was pretty obvious that that's okay, I know what's 364 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:44.399 going on and what the plan is here. 365 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:46.799 I also had that same thought with the poison bearing 366 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:48.440 moment as well, like, well, they didn't tell us. 367 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:50.159 That that was another good that was another I knew that 368 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:53.440 was coming back. Obviously, I knew that was coming back. Yeah, 369 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:56.320 it was just it's very good storytelling. And again, you 370 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.600 and I are both very big on the unpredictable nature 371 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.039 of of movies, and like I. 372 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.879 Thought, it was just as likely that they were going 373 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:05.160 to kill each other as it was. 374 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.279 That they were gonna get married and spend an eternity 375 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:10.160 on the island and everywhere in between was a possible 376 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:12.400 outcome the entire time I was watching that movie. 377 00:17:12.440 --> 00:17:14.240 That's what I liked about it, and I probably I 378 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:17.720 shouldn't have done this, But when I knew it was 379 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.079 a two like just under two hours, I knew, and 380 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:22.079 I kind of alluded to this at the top. There 381 00:17:22.160 --> 00:17:25.119 was gonna be other things that happened besides yeah, them 382 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.839 just falling in love or them killing each other, one 383 00:17:27.920 --> 00:17:31.400 killing the other one, or getting rescued or not getting rescued, 384 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:33.920 there's got it, and you have built Sam Raimi up 385 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:39.839 into this Yeah, fantastic, to which he is. Yeah. But 386 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:42.000 but at this, at this point, like you had raised 387 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.480 my expectation like now there's there's there's it's more nuanced, 388 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:47.880 like there's there's there's something coming here that that we're 389 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.599 not expecting. And I'll be honest with you, the big 390 00:17:51.680 --> 00:17:54.200 reveal at the end, well there's it was kind of 391 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:56.920 like one big reveal, but there's two small parts to it. 392 00:17:57.359 --> 00:18:00.000 I didn't see that coming, did not see that coming. 393 00:18:00.640 --> 00:18:05.039 This is basically the climax of the film. Yeah, where there. 394 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:07.880 Is yes, no, I didn't see any of that happening. 395 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.759 He yeah exactly, which was great. 396 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:12.359 Yeah, you know, it was perfect. 397 00:18:12.559 --> 00:18:15.279 And then you go back and you find out more 398 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.200 of what happened and what led up to this. 399 00:18:19.000 --> 00:18:23.240 And I will say, because uh uh, Dylan, I keep 400 00:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.079 playing in his name here, O'Brian played a more one 401 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:29.559