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Speaker 3: And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo fay.
Speaker 2: Well, Bubbo. We have a great episode today. We have
Speaker 2: someone on the episode who is a longtime friend of
Speaker 2: both of ours. We've been on our expeditions with this gentleman.
Speaker 2: This gentleman has filmed a Sasquatch, he's been on a
Speaker 2: Finding Bigfoot episode, and he's one of our stops. Whenever
Speaker 2: we're back east and hanging out, if we can call
Speaker 2: this guy and have lunch or breakfast with him, we
Speaker 2: do it every single time. Love this man, you know him,
Speaker 2: and for everybody in the audience who does not know him,
Speaker 2: Welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond. Mike Green, Hi, Mike, how
Speaker 2: you doing today? Man?
Speaker 1: Gentlemen, it's great to talk to you again. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you this is really great. It's a wonderful idea.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad you can come on. We've been meaning
Speaker 2: to have you on for a long time, but gosh,
Speaker 2: the way Bobo and I are kind of scatterbrained in general.
Speaker 2: It's just taking us this long to get you, so
Speaker 2: thank you very much for setting aside a little bit
Speaker 2: of time for.
Speaker 1: Us anytime, anytime. I've been storing up horrible stories for
Speaker 1: ten years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's been about ten years since we did that.
Speaker 3: Mike was our main witness on the first episode back
Speaker 3: in this twenty eleven, ten years ago.
Speaker 4: And yeah, he was.
Speaker 3: Just to give me a little background on Mike, I
Speaker 3: think he was the chief investigator for the New Jersey
Speaker 3: Fraud Department of the District Attorney's office or the Attorney
Speaker 3: General's office. Yeah, and there's an army officer. So he's
Speaker 3: not like me or something or cliffs and jazz musician.
Speaker 3: He's a productive member of society, like one of the suits.
Speaker 2: I guess you call him the suits. You're in a suit, Mike.
Speaker 1: You know it's it's funny. If you looked at my resume,
Speaker 1: i'd have to admit, yeah, I was a suit. But
Speaker 1: once I got home and took off my tie, I've
Speaker 1: sort of a jack I'm really kind of a jackal
Speaker 1: and hide personality. Uh and uh, yeah. It was suity,
Speaker 1: but it was interesting stuff. But my my free time
Speaker 1: was spent doing Uh I didn't go in for bowling
Speaker 1: and the PTA.
Speaker 3: No, I know, I was just busting busting balls on
Speaker 3: a little bit. But yeah, I mean you were like,
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, respected professional and all that.
Speaker 4: Smart guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Actually, one interesting thing that I did that that is
Speaker 1: sort of germane to what we we all of us do,
Speaker 1: is I was studied to become a what's called a
Speaker 1: question documents examiner, which is basically you're a forgery expert
Speaker 1: to testify in court as an expert witness. So you're
Speaker 1: you're taught to well, in this case, examine documents to
Speaker 1: see if they've been altered or they're true, or you know,
Speaker 1: somebody's writing somebody else's name, that kind of stuff. It
Speaker 1: teachers you to look really closely at what you're seeing
Speaker 1: in front of you and pick it apart in your
Speaker 1: mind and with your hands and sometimes with machines to see,
Speaker 1: you know, if it's real or not.
Speaker 2: Which is directly applicable to like fake photographs and all
Speaker 2: this other stuff. I mean you'd probably use that all the.
Speaker 1: Time, right, yeah, exactly, fake photographs, you know, casts and
Speaker 1: certainly all these these videos that are on YouTube, But
Speaker 1: you don't have to be a forgery expert to look
Speaker 1: at most of those that much.
Speaker 2: Just that must just turn your stomach to turn on
Speaker 2: YouTube and see all the garbage is out there.
Speaker 4: Oh it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sort of amazed that people keep doing it,
Speaker 1: there's so much of it.
Speaker 3: Well they're rewarded, I mean the fake stuff and like
Speaker 3: the stupid stuff on there's it gets one hundred times
Speaker 3: the clicks of something that's like serious and like you
Speaker 3: know scarly about the subject.
Speaker 2: You've also had training with dealing with people, I mean,
Speaker 2: because your all your investigations over the years, not bigfoot investigations,
Speaker 2: like other stuff like I have it in my head,
Speaker 2: like welfare investigations and some criminal stuff. You dealt with
Speaker 2: the whole swath of society, So you must have a
Speaker 2: whole just a laundry list of things to look out
Speaker 2: for if somebody's lying to you.
Speaker 1: I was a narcotics probation officer, I was an investigator
Speaker 1: for the Public Defender's Office. Uh and and and then
Speaker 1: this chief of welfare frauds. So yeah, I'm used to
Speaker 1: dealing with dishonest people.
Speaker 2: Boy, did you choose the right field to goof around
Speaker 2: in on free time. Man, Bigfoot is full of those people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it certainly is. It certainly is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tell us how you really feel, Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would, but we're on the radio.
Speaker 2: I don't think a lot of people know you, just
Speaker 2: because like you're not out in front and center. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't have a group, but you do such good
Speaker 2: work behind the scenes. Can you tell our audience a
Speaker 2: little bit about the background of what got you into
Speaker 2: the bigfoot subject. We know a little bit about your
Speaker 2: professional background, but for bigfoot purposes, what brought you to us?
Speaker 1: What brought you to us was years and years ago.
Speaker 1: I've always been a camper and a hunter, and camping's fun,
Speaker 1: but it's a lot more fun if you've sort of
Speaker 1: got something to do while you're camping other than sit
Speaker 1: at the fire and you know, poke around and your
Speaker 1: sleeping bag and get high. So I've always been interested
Speaker 1: in stuff like Bigfoot and UFOs and kind of weird stuff.
Speaker 1: So I read it up on it I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: there's got to be so something to this. There's just
Speaker 1: too much i'll call it evidence lying around for this
Speaker 1: to be nonsense. So I started going on. I'd get
Speaker 1: two weeks vacation of years. So I started going out
Speaker 1: to the west coast Vancouver Island, California, up on the
Speaker 1: Sierras by myself squatching. And after a few years of this,
Speaker 1: I found out that up and you guys know about
Speaker 1: this Whitehall, New York, right up at the bottom of
Speaker 1: Lake Champlain, there was a whole lot of big foot activity.
Speaker 1: And that was five hours drive from my house as
Speaker 1: opposed to flying across country, so I could go up
Speaker 1: and do this on the weekends. So I started going
Speaker 1: up there, and there was a nature conservancy that owned
Speaker 1: a big chunk of land that was right on the
Speaker 1: bottom of lake, very bottom of Lake Champlain, which is
Speaker 1: like a little skinny, muddy river. And I would sneak
Speaker 1: in there with my canoe, hide the canoe in the bushes,
Speaker 1: and then go in there and camp with a thermal.
Speaker 1: And I did that for seven years, and once in
Speaker 1: a while I would, you know, I'd see like scrapes
Speaker 1: or a busted tree, give me a little hope, but
Speaker 1: nothing really great. However, one night, just as I was
Speaker 1: putting the canoe in the woods and it was it
Speaker 1: had gotten dark, some two guys in a motorboat pulled
Speaker 1: up and they couldn't see me because it was dark.
Speaker 1: Stopped and they were talking to each They turned the
Speaker 1: motor off and they're talking to each other, and one
Speaker 1: guy said to the other, this is where he said
Speaker 1: he saw it. And the other guy said, yeah, boy,
Speaker 1: and then they drove off. That was it. But obviously
Speaker 1: something had happened. And this was a great spot for
Speaker 1: squatches to live. I mean it was very isolated and
Speaker 1: hard to get to. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so that perked me up. And then just towards the
Speaker 1: end of all this, one night you've all heard whoops.
Speaker 1: One night I would I would get up at three
Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, get out of my tent and
Speaker 1: look around with the thermal, and then go back to
Speaker 1: sleep and waiting for something to happen. Anyway, I was
Speaker 1: just at three o'clock. I was just putting my boots
Speaker 1: on to get outside, and all of a sudden, I
Speaker 1: heard whoop wooo woo so loud. It sounded like somebody
Speaker 1: was screaming in my ear. I mean, it was just deafening.
Speaker 1: I've never I still haven't ever heard anything that loud,
Speaker 1: but I said, thank god, you know, finally the squad
Speaker 1: just put a stamp on this thing and giving it
Speaker 1: some reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not wasting your time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, seven years is a long time.
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I've been up there
Speaker 1: and then and you guys have all seen the squeaky
Speaker 1: thermal that I took down here in the u Are
Speaker 1: National Forest. Pure luck. I'd never been down here in
Speaker 1: my life. My wife's son moved down to Charlotte and
Speaker 1: we came down to visit him, and the BFRO was
Speaker 1: having one of their stupid expeditions in the Ure National Forest,
Speaker 1: and so I said, okay, drove down, dropped my wife
Speaker 1: off in Charlotte, and drove out to the UII to
Speaker 1: the campground. And I got there the day before everybody
Speaker 1: else did, so there was nobody there and set up.
Speaker 1: I got there like at nine o'clock at night. I've
Speaker 1: been driving literally all day from New Jersey and I'm
Speaker 1: really tired. Put up my little dome tent. Now this
Speaker 1: is important. The campground has these tables that are built over.
Speaker 1: They're like two by twelve's and cement, if you know
Speaker 1: what they're like. They're very quite sturdy like dining tables,
Speaker 1: if you will, with bench seats built on the either side.
Speaker 1: I had one of these two burner Coleman stoves. Put
Speaker 1: the stove on the table, opened it up, and for
Speaker 1: some reason or other, I had a big stainless steel
Speaker 1: pot like it makes spaghetti, and I put the pot
Speaker 1: on the grill and then I put I had a big,
Speaker 1: big like serving steel serving spoon, put that spoon in
Speaker 1: the pot, and then I said, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to do, but I'm really beat.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go to sleep. So I left that,
Speaker 1: got in my tent. I had my little raytheon two
Speaker 1: fifty thermal, and went to sleep. Three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 1: which you all know is the witching hour. Three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning I heard, and to this day, I
Speaker 1: don't know what this was. I heard a PLoP noise
Speaker 1: and it sounded like somebody dropping a water balloon on
Speaker 1: the floor or a great big ripe tomato. There was
Speaker 1: this PLoP noise down in the woods, and I just said, geeze,
Speaker 1: what the heck is that. I didn't, you know, sit
Speaker 1: bolt upright, but I just sort of laying there wondering
Speaker 1: what that was. And this was in April, so the
Speaker 1: leaves hadn't come out yet, but there was a lot
Speaker 1: of drive leaves on the ground, and as I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: what's that PLoP, I heard a little scraping of leaves,
Speaker 1: just like I'm mouse running a little bit. And how
Speaker 1: he got up this close to me, I have no idea,
Speaker 1: but that's all I heard. The next thing I know
Speaker 1: is and I was in one of those little dome
Speaker 1: tents right literally over the top of the tent, there
Speaker 1: were two big what I call Darth Vader roars right
Speaker 1: over my head, followed by sort of a backhanded swipe
Speaker 1: whack at the tent, which I've heard other people talk
Speaker 1: about this basically the same thing happening, sort of a
Speaker 1: whack at the tent, not to hurt it, but sort of, hey,
Speaker 1: anybody home kind of thing. And this all happened much
Speaker 1: quicker than it takes to tell about it. So I
Speaker 1: whacked the side of the tent back just so yeah,
Speaker 1: there's somebody here, occupied, occupied, and I heard it start
Speaker 1: to run away boom boom, And then I heard a
Speaker 1: tinkling noise, a metallic tinkling noise that sounded. All I
Speaker 1: could think of was it's a dog's chain link dog collar.
Speaker 1: It certainly didn't sound like a dog, but they made
Speaker 1: this metallic noise. Anyway, I got out, went out, looked
Speaker 1: around with my thermal nothing in the morning look and
Speaker 1: it was the place is not conducive to fingerprints, a footprints. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I looked over it and I still had this which
Speaker 1: was this metallic noise, and about it was maybe twenty
Speaker 1: feet away. It's the table with the Coleman stove and
Speaker 1: the paw and the spoon. And I went over and
Speaker 1: I gave the table a shot with my hip and
Speaker 1: it made the tinkling noise. He had in running away
Speaker 1: from my tent. He had run into the table and
Speaker 1: jarred it and made that tinkling noise. The son of
Speaker 1: a bitch, all right, anyway, So anyway, so I knew
Speaker 1: it wasn't a dog.
Speaker 2: And that'll happen the night before the actual expedition even started, right.
Speaker 1: That's right. I'm all by myself. Next day, everybody shows up,
Speaker 1: I'm telling them all about this. And then three o'clock
Speaker 1: in the morning, once again, there's about five or six
Speaker 1: of us sitting at that picnic table sort of talking
Speaker 1: in low voices, waiting for something to happen, and you know,
Speaker 1: you're just to serve talking low at each other. And
Speaker 1: every ten minutes or so, i'd get up and i'd
Speaker 1: take my thermal and I just stand around. And you know,
Speaker 1: with a thermal, you don't have to look very hard.
Speaker 1: The white things really jump out at you. And so
Speaker 1: I just sort of standing around real quick, and I
Speaker 1: sit down talking on top of the thermal. I had
Speaker 1: a little baby digital video digital video recorder a DBR
Speaker 1: that had and this is the stupidest thing I ever
Speaker 1: did in my life. It had a two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty six megabyte not gig megabyte SD card in it,
Speaker 1: about as small as you could possibly get, and I
Speaker 1: was saving quote, saving that for when i'd really needed. Well. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the last time I stood up, I looked around there.
Speaker 1: It was about I don't know, ninety feet away walking
Speaker 1: sideways to me, right to left, and sort of just
Speaker 1: like in the movies, you get this big white silhouette,
Speaker 1: hunky you know, no neck, big arms, hunky shoulders, striding
Speaker 1: along to dump do dump dump dump, and I'm watching
Speaker 1: it through the thermal, and I stupidly said, in sort
Speaker 1: of a stage whisper, there's one now, And of course
Speaker 1: everybody stopped talking, and I realized I didn't have the
Speaker 1: video the DVR running.
Speaker 2: The yeah, because this particular thermal imager doesn't record internally.
Speaker 2: This is the old days, pretty much a thermal imagery exactly.
Speaker 1: So I put it down, and it took me about
Speaker 1: five or ten seconds to get the DVR up and running,
Speaker 1: and I put it back up, and of course he
Speaker 1: was gone. But I knew what I saw, and I
Speaker 1: knew what happened the night before. Son of a bitch.
Speaker 1: This is the place for me, I mean, and it
Speaker 1: still is. It still is. To make a long story short,
Speaker 1: my wife said, you know, really, what are we doing
Speaker 1: up here? I'd like to be closer to my son.
Speaker 1: I said, well, let's move. Let's move to North Carolina.
Speaker 1: So yeah, two months later, I'm living in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: thirty miles away from the best footing spot I've ever
Speaker 1: seen in you know, now like ten years of this,
Speaker 1: And so I started going there regularly, week after week
Speaker 1: after week, and after a few years, I got that
Speaker 1: squeaky thermal that everybody has seen.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back to the squeaky footage, Mike, that was
Speaker 3: taken to the same spot where you saw them inditionally
Speaker 3: on the expedition.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, well, in exactly the same spot, and that
Speaker 1: campground it's not particularly pretty and during the week there's
Speaker 1: nobody there, so I'd always get I'm now, I'm unemployed,
Speaker 1: I got all the time I want retired, so I
Speaker 1: could go. I'd go down during the week and i'd
Speaker 1: have the place to myself, and i'd go to that
Speaker 1: same campsite and the stump where I had put the
Speaker 1: zagnut bar that I would use for bait. And actually
Speaker 1: I usually used the jar of peanut butter, but I've
Speaker 1: forgotten the peanut butter, and I've had a zagnut bar
Speaker 1: for myself. But so I felt, well, I'll take one
Speaker 1: for the team, and I put the zagnut bar on
Speaker 1: the stump.
Speaker 3: Had the peanut butter, had the peanut butter disappeared during
Speaker 3: that time?
Speaker 1: Actually, you know, you know, the regular size can of
Speaker 1: jar of peanut butter, they usually have like a red
Speaker 1: top that's like three or four inches across, red plastic top.
Speaker 1: And it's a glass jar or glass or plastic I
Speaker 1: don't remember. But anyway, you need you need a thumb
Speaker 1: and fingers to open that thing, and and and and
Speaker 1: a raccoon's hands aren't big enough to do it. It's
Speaker 1: you got a per You need something with hands as
Speaker 1: big as a person to open a regular sized jar
Speaker 1: of peanut butter. So I took a jar peanut butter,
Speaker 1: opened it up, took up, scoop out, smeared it on
Speaker 1: the lid, and then put it on the stump. In
Speaker 1: the next morning, the red lid was lying there by itself,
Speaker 1: the jar was gone, and there was no peanut butter
Speaker 1: in sight. Anyway, what I'd usually do is set up
Speaker 1: the jar. It's time. I was using the raytheon with
Speaker 1: a better DVR on top of it. Set that up,
Speaker 1: pointed at the stump, turn it on about eleven o'clock
Speaker 1: at night, and go to sleep. And I did that
Speaker 1: over and over and over and over. And then this
Speaker 1: last time, as I was setting it up, I heard
Speaker 1: down in the woods. I heard a rustling like something
Speaker 1: walking around, and I thought, I'll bet you he's since
Speaker 1: nothing had happened all these other times, I'll bet you
Speaker 1: he's watching me right now. So I put the thermal
Speaker 1: on the tripod, pointed at the stump, and as you
Speaker 1: guys probably know, the Raytheon's unlike the newer, newer thermals,
Speaker 1: don't have auto focus. You had to manually focus it.
Speaker 1: And I was in a rush I did. That's why
Speaker 1: you see the jelly donut instead of more of a
Speaker 1: squatchy thing. Anyway, I put turned it, turned it on
Speaker 1: the thermal. Then I got in my car and drove off,
Speaker 1: drove away from the campsite so that there was nobody
Speaker 1: else there. So obviously I had left the bait by
Speaker 1: itself and it didn't have anything to fear, so to speak.
Speaker 1: And I waited about two or three hours until I
Speaker 1: knew that the battery on the on the thermal had
Speaker 1: run down. And then I went back and the can
Speaker 1: the bar was gone. The battery had run down, and
Speaker 1: I had to wait until the next day till I
Speaker 1: got home to recharge the battery and see what I'd gotten.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, the battery on the Raytheon and the DVR rundown,
Speaker 1: so I had to go home and plug in the DVR,
Speaker 1: and that's when I saw what I'd gotten and I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe. I really couldn't believe it just fine, after
Speaker 1: all this time to finally get something like that, I
Speaker 1: was just beside myself. It was. It was really neat
Speaker 1: and well, you guys know you've seen these things. It
Speaker 1: gets to you. It gets you. You want it's addiction,
Speaker 1: You want more and more and more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the curse. You know that is
Speaker 2: often associated with seeing sasquatches. You know, it's the curse
Speaker 2: like either you're not going to let it go or
Speaker 2: it gives you PTSD, like something happens to you. You
Speaker 2: know that even being involved in the subject for too long,
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't let it go. I mean I'm sort of
Speaker 1: happily hooked because it's it's an extremely interesting, albeit expensive hobby. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I just wish I could get more of it,
Speaker 1: you know. The only way to do it is to
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's worse things to be addicted to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I love seeing it. Like you said before,
Speaker 3: I mean the whole behavioral aspects. It's not like the
Speaker 3: clearest video thermal, but it's awesome and how much like
Speaker 3: behavior it shows like the thought process is going to
Speaker 3: scratch how cautious they are and how they sway in
Speaker 3: the trees and crawl up.
Speaker 1: I know, I know it sort of when you you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, Bobo, when you when you know what happened
Speaker 1: and you don't have to have somebody sort of walk
Speaker 1: through the video with the with them sneaking up and
Speaker 1: getting the candy bar. It really is the way that
Speaker 1: how cautious it was. Uh, even though he saw me
Speaker 1: drive away, he still acted like, you know, he had
Speaker 1: to sneak up there.
Speaker 2: And I think you driving away actually probably played a
Speaker 2: big role in it feeling safe enough to come up,
Speaker 2: because it was one of the major flaws I think
Speaker 2: with bigfooters in general, we all want to be every
Speaker 2: one of us, I think wants to be Roger Patterson,
Speaker 2: the guy holding her, the gal holding the camera. I
Speaker 2: saw it, I filmed it. But you took yourself out
Speaker 2: of the equation. You removed your own ego from the situation,
Speaker 2: and the sasquatch responded in a way, you know, like
Speaker 2: it finally finally felt safe enough to come up, and
Speaker 2: even then, knowing you weren't there, it snuck up on
Speaker 2: all fours.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did it did? It's it's uh well, I
Speaker 1: mean that's why they were what they are and they're
Speaker 1: so successful because they're so careful most of the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I'm paranoid, but I've got nothing
Speaker 2: like candle to candle these guys.
Speaker 1: You know, speaking, and I wanted to. I want to
Speaker 1: throw something in here, which is kind of neat and
Speaker 1: I may be preaching you the choir, But do you
Speaker 1: guys know about the flur and Seek little baby thermals
Speaker 1: that plug into your cell phone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure you do, Yes.
Speaker 1: Okay, I took one of those. I took the SEK
Speaker 1: one draws its power from the phone. The flur one,
Speaker 1: you have to charge it up. So the seque what
Speaker 1: I did is I bought an extension cord, if you will,
Speaker 1: so that I plugged it one end into the by
Speaker 1: phone and the other into the thermal, which is about
Speaker 1: the size of a domino. And it's on a little
Speaker 1: actually it's a little old tent pole that goes through
Speaker 1: a little hole in the roof of my van and
Speaker 1: it becomes a periscope and it's this little teeny, little
Speaker 1: black thing sitting up there. And all I got to
Speaker 1: do is twirl that little tent pole around and I
Speaker 1: get a three hundred and sixty degree thermal view of
Speaker 1: everything around me and the the as you know that
Speaker 1: the app for that that's on your phone you can
Speaker 1: record with and you can do all the color palette
Speaker 1: stuff and all that. But for two hundred and fifty bucks,
Speaker 1: I think that is really a terrific gadget.
Speaker 2: Now, how is the resolution, because that's one of the
Speaker 2: major factors.
Speaker 1: Bad at all? Not bad, It's not no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's not bad at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I'd say more than adequate. A lot depends, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes when it's been hot all day and then it's
Speaker 1: hot at night and the trees still stay hot and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, things get a little bit kind of mushy,
Speaker 1: But not much this I'd say this stands up very
Speaker 1: well to others despite only costing two hundred and fifty bucks,
Speaker 1: and the beauty of it having to have this little
Speaker 1: tiny periscope and you can put it and do it
Speaker 1: in the tent just as well when you have it
Speaker 1: on your phone. The problem is you can you can
Speaker 1: hold the phone in your hand and look, but you've
Speaker 1: got the face of the phone all lit up with
Speaker 1: the picture that the thermal is taking illuminating your face,
Speaker 1: so you're you're not being particularly you know, unobtrusive. But
Speaker 1: this separates the camera from the phone very neatly. I
Speaker 1: it cost me like two point fifty or something and
Speaker 1: on Amazon to get this extension court and it works great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be the way to do it, because you
Speaker 2: don't want to light up your whole face looking at
Speaker 2: a phone because I mean, I don't know, I think
Speaker 2: sasquatches are very light sensitive. I'm assuming you guys do too,
Speaker 2: And the last thing you want to do just blast
Speaker 2: yourself with a spotlight while you're you know, trying to
Speaker 2: get it not to run away, right.
Speaker 1: I have used this a couple of times in a
Speaker 1: tent because sometimes I go tent camping down there and
Speaker 1: I don't use the van, and it works just as
Speaker 1: well in the tent. It's wonderful. You can stick it
Speaker 1: in your pocket. You know, weighs nothing. There are really
Speaker 1: a terrific gadget.
Speaker 2: Where were these things ten years ago, right when we're
Speaker 2: hauling around two fifty d's in the.
Speaker 1: Woods, I know, I know, well, I found I found
Speaker 1: now that the the some of the thermal imagers that
Speaker 1: I've got. They what did they call it? I want
Speaker 1: to say view vu E. It's made by Flur and
Speaker 1: now the vu E. It's just a little standalone thermal.
Speaker 1: You put some power into it and there's a video out.
Speaker 1: It's about the size of my fist, maybe a little smaller.
Speaker 1: Now they're very expensive, but the original version, which is
Speaker 1: the one that I got on eBay, I think, costs
Speaker 1: me about six hundred bucks. And it's great. It's weird.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the path finders they used to have.
Speaker 1: Well, actually I still have a pathfinder too. I have
Speaker 1: the pathfinder, the raytheon and the view and I stick
Speaker 1: all three of them up on top of the van
Speaker 1: at night and let them run into the DVR with
Speaker 1: no luck.
Speaker 2: I have to say, but are you still baiting them
Speaker 2: with a peanut butter or zag nuts or whatever.
Speaker 1: Peanut butter is sort of my favorite. I do have
Speaker 1: recordings of babies crying, babies cooing, and children like little
Speaker 1: kids playing in the playground, and fawn bleeds, and I
Speaker 1: have fairly long recordings of all of those. And I
Speaker 1: have a little PA system in the van that goes
Speaker 1: through the hatch and the roof, I can really make
Speaker 1: it sort of obnoxiously loud, which I think sort of
Speaker 1: defeats the because if you're going to have a baby crying,
Speaker 1: you know that the whole stadium can hear it. It
Speaker 1: doesn't sound too real, So I try and keep it
Speaker 1: down and hope that well, it's going to be whatever
Speaker 1: it is is going to be close enough to hear
Speaker 1: a reasonable volume of whatever it is that I'm playing.
Speaker 1: But between the sounds and the peanut butter, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's about it, honey. Sometimes but I think Bobo, weren't
Speaker 1: you guys big on like donuts?
Speaker 4: I was big on donuts. I don't know if the
Speaker 4: big Foot was.
Speaker 2: And Bobo got big on donuts.
Speaker 4: I put out all kinds of stuff. The ones.
Speaker 3: I think I made such an antagonistic relationship with the
Speaker 3: ones that were near me that they just never took
Speaker 3: my food.
Speaker 1: If any of you had peanut butter experiences, pointing in
Speaker 1: the bedroom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a PG rated show. I've put a
Speaker 2: lot of bait out over the years, or offerings or
Speaker 2: whatever word you want to slap on this thing, and
Speaker 2: I've never had anything taken to my knowledge, never once,
Speaker 2: And I don't know if they just weren't around, because
Speaker 2: obviously there are very few of these things, or it
Speaker 2: saw me do it, or who knows, who knows. But
Speaker 2: I've never been successful. But I do have friends beyond you,
Speaker 2: of course, that say that they have been successful. And
Speaker 2: I would bring up the Natella jar, the Natella cast
Speaker 2: as being one of the most important examples.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is shap I'll be shallow. I want
Speaker 1: to be the guy that proves it. Now, do you
Speaker 1: carry a gun? Yes?
Speaker 2: To do that.
Speaker 1: Yes, you can edit this out if you want.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, all views are welcome.
Speaker 1: My that you know, my I've wrote that books scratch
Speaker 1: for sale, yes.
Speaker 5: Which by the way, I'm proud to say still sells
Speaker 5: fairly regularly on Amazon. And that book was written and
Speaker 5: you guys are probably going to never speak to me again.
Speaker 5: That book was written to be politically correct.
Speaker 4: It's all right.
Speaker 1: It does not mention that from day one I have
Speaker 1: carried a gun.
Speaker 2: No, but you know what, I was surprised to learn
Speaker 2: that you were carrying around tranquilizers back in the day.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know that.
Speaker 1: At first I thought I'm going to get close enough
Speaker 1: when I went up to Bellakula. I had a tranquilizer gun,
Speaker 1: and my vet convinced me. I convinced him. He gave
Speaker 1: me a prescription for ramponds. The name of it it's
Speaker 1: an animal tranquilizer. They still use it and in order
Speaker 1: the darts and the gun through the over the internet,
Speaker 1: and it's good for about fifty feet. But I thought, yeah,
Speaker 1: what the heck? Well, you know, I soon realized that
Speaker 1: if I even see one, I'll be lucky much less
Speaker 1: get a shot at him. So I gave up. But
Speaker 1: it was kind of fun to have a tranquilizer dart
Speaker 1: gun for a while. But anyway, I traded it in
Speaker 1: for the largest rifle with a thermal scope, which is
Speaker 1: what I use now. And I will take thirty seconds
Speaker 1: here and give you my rather shallow rationale, which is, men,
Speaker 1: for better or for worse, and probably for worse, have killed,
Speaker 1: stuffed and eaten everything, everything, including each other, on the planet,
Speaker 1: absolutely everything. Why does this guy get a pass? All
Speaker 1: we need is one.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've got mixed feelings, I really do, and I feel bad.
Speaker 1: I don't feel bad enough. I guess I'm shallow or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's all good, you know, if you didn't feel bad
Speaker 2: at all, you would frighten me.
Speaker 1: No, I have really mixed feelings about doing this, but
Speaker 1: I you know, and you've all been in this as
Speaker 1: long as I have. It is so frustrating, you know.
Speaker 1: I look my wife, my son in the eye. They've
Speaker 1: seen the video, they've heard me tell the stories, and
Speaker 1: they're going yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I know
Speaker 1: what's going on. I'm sounding paranoid now. I know what's
Speaker 1: going on behind those eyes, and they're going, you know,
Speaker 1: is he crazy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. You and you guys, you know until
Speaker 1: you see one and you know it for yourself what
Speaker 1: you've seen, you can't swallow this one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 2: Bogo will be right back. After these messages.
Speaker 1: I'm still a big believer in the not only do
Speaker 1: they And I remember you, Bobo, talking about when you
Speaker 1: turned on the infrared illuminator. One was coming across a pond,
Speaker 1: I think, towards you, and you turned on the illuminator
Speaker 1: and it turned around and took off.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was me actually with the camera. I
Speaker 2: was just trying to record the sounds because it was
Speaker 2: something big was splashed around in the water and we
Speaker 2: had sasquatches run us earlier that night. We're thinking, that's
Speaker 2: got to be them. And I had the I had
Speaker 2: one of those sony cameras with the one led in
Speaker 2: front early night shots sort of take, and it was
Speaker 2: like maybe a foot above the ground. I was sitting
Speaker 2: by the campfire. There's no fire going on, but it's
Speaker 2: all dark, and this thing wo or Bobo woke me up,
Speaker 2: and I think it woke Bobo up. So I had
Speaker 2: the camera but maybe a foot above the ground, and
Speaker 2: I was just going to turn it just to record
Speaker 2: the sound. Because this is way back in the early days.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of technology and all that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, you know, didn't have therms or even
Speaker 2: recorders were very limited by battery and storage and stuff
Speaker 2: at that point. So and I turned on the red
Speaker 2: the video camera to record the sounds, but I didn't
Speaker 2: know the night shot was on. And then that night shot,
Speaker 2: that one led illuminator came on and immediately immediately at
Speaker 2: the same time, all sound in the lake across the
Speaker 2: pond there stopped and I never heard it again after that.
Speaker 2: I say well, that's a very strong coincidence.
Speaker 1: I have absolutely no doubt that they can sense infrared.
Speaker 1: I also will go a step further, and you know
Speaker 1: the market lack of game cam photos considering the number
Speaker 1: of game cams that are out there, which is, if
Speaker 1: not millions, hundreds of thousands that they've managed to avoid.
Speaker 1: I think they can sense electrical feeling. Undoubtedly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're sensing something. I always go with the hearing, like,
Speaker 2: I think they can hear the electronics, but they might
Speaker 2: be able to sense it else out.
Speaker 1: Well, I may may maybe hearing is the right word.
Speaker 1: But you know how like pigeons can can nowhere north
Speaker 1: is that kind of stuff. They got an extra sense
Speaker 1: that that that that we don't have, that that tells
Speaker 1: them that there's there's there's something over there that's generating
Speaker 1: a little some sort of an electrical field, and for
Speaker 1: whatever it is, I don't want to go close to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, for the first time I thought of that,
Speaker 2: I was camping with Bobo up at Bluff Creek and
Speaker 2: we we'd walked around that night we thought there was
Speaker 2: one in the area because it sounds we're hearing, and
Speaker 2: we went to bed and then I set my recorder up.
Speaker 2: At the time, I was using mini disc recorders because
Speaker 2: little hard drive recorders just didn't exist yet, you know,
Speaker 2: or at least not in my prize range did. Maybe
Speaker 2: they did, but I had a mini disc recorder and
Speaker 2: they make a little bit of noise, and they could
Speaker 2: only record for about seventy five minutes, seventy four minutes
Speaker 2: I think it was, or you know, not very long
Speaker 2: in a hour hour and a half. And we kind
Speaker 2: of laid down and we're sleeping outside the tent and
Speaker 2: just on the ground, and that saying was churning away recording,
Speaker 2: and we kind of halfway dozed off, and then we
Speaker 2: were awakened by something really close to camp, like in
Speaker 2: these bushes that maybe thirty forty feet away, doing this
Speaker 2: strange like growl, hiss sort of sort of thing. And
Speaker 2: I go, oh, crap, and then I and then it
Speaker 2: went away, and I checked the recorder it had stopped.
Speaker 2: And I think, and I believe it happened right because
Speaker 2: we checked the time. I think it happened within like
Speaker 2: two or three minutes after the recorder stopped. Yeah, two minutes, yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, it sounds about right. Yeah, right after the
Speaker 2: recorder stopped, and that's the first time it dawned to me,
Speaker 2: like there's something else up. Man, They're they're sensing something
Speaker 2: about electronics. Maybe they're hearing it. Maybe it's something else
Speaker 2: like you're saying.
Speaker 1: In this case, it was a sort of a change
Speaker 1: of circumstance. Yeah. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 2: They're weird critters, man, I'll give them that. They are
Speaker 2: a weird species.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 3: The other thing to thinking about, Mike was when I
Speaker 3: was that night when I had my first full you know,
Speaker 3: crazy and kind of I knew that, like I was like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you know, the first time I knew
Speaker 3: that for sure was a sasquatch, and that scared the
Speaker 3: crap out of me.
Speaker 4: Had that night vision, and when.
Speaker 3: I was messing with the folks, there's the knobs in
Speaker 3: the front and the battery covered nob was the same
Speaker 3: as the focus and the the knobs, and as I
Speaker 3: thought I was focusing it, I was unscrewing the battery
Speaker 3: and as soon as the battery turned off as one
Speaker 3: of the things screening. Within seconds, they all ran across
Speaker 3: the metatories with like bluff, charged me and then ran
Speaker 3: behind me.
Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, same idea, same idea, and that's that In
Speaker 1: a way, it is sort of the reverse. The electrical
Speaker 1: current went off in both those cases and that generated activity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know how they react like when
Speaker 2: somebody leaves campers, drives away, sometimes you get knocks or something,
Speaker 2: and it's very often about when something changes, they react
Speaker 2: in some sort of way. Well, so, knowing as much
Speaker 2: as you do us ask watches, having so much experience
Speaker 2: in the woods, what kind of advice would you give
Speaker 2: to our listeners, Like, what's in your opinion, what are
Speaker 2: some of the best tactics to actually go out and
Speaker 2: get something and bring something back.
Speaker 1: And when you say something, I assume you mean a photograph.
Speaker 2: Anything, No, I mean anything.
Speaker 1: Really, My suggestion would be, if you own an iPhone
Speaker 1: or an Android, to spend two hundred and fifty bucks,
Speaker 1: get one of those little baby thermals the size of
Speaker 1: a domino, and get an extension cord of eight feet
Speaker 1: long from Amazon and use that when you go camping.
Speaker 1: And that way you don't have to expose yourself. I
Speaker 1: haven't spent a lot of money, and you can easily
Speaker 1: record and you can look around three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: degrees with this little tiny thing poking out of your
Speaker 1: tent or whatever. It's an inexpensive way to get in
Speaker 1: on the program and a very good way to record
Speaker 1: it too.
Speaker 2: Now, how would you entice the sasquatches to come into camp?
Speaker 2: Is it all zagnut candy? Is it all like food
Speaker 2: and sounds?
Speaker 4: Or is anything else to do?
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to do, if you know,
Speaker 1: if I other than food and sounds, I really don't
Speaker 1: know what else there is. And I'd love to have
Speaker 1: some suggestions.
Speaker 2: I got one actually, because I'm just thinking of the
Speaker 2: other senses right now. Have you ever tried some sort
Speaker 2: of olfactory attractants, like some sort of smells that they
Speaker 2: would find interesting?
Speaker 1: Well that was the peanut butter.
Speaker 2: Oh, because you smear it on the outside right right.
Speaker 2: You know a friend of mine, Chris Minier, we haven't
Speaker 2: had the show yet, he'd be a great guest out
Speaker 2: of the show. But Chris minni or the night he
Speaker 2: saw his he soaked a bandana and what is that?
Speaker 4: Really?
Speaker 2: Really cheap? After shape? What the aqua velva?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He just went to Walgreens or someone bought the cheapest
Speaker 2: one off the shelf and he just soaked bandanas in
Speaker 2: that and hung those out a couple hundred yards from camp,
Speaker 2: and that night he saw one.
Speaker 1: Really the idea a strange smell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, anything changes in their territory, they
Speaker 2: got to figure out what's going on. Their life might
Speaker 2: depend on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a very good idea that hadn't occurred to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we're always going for the foods. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think food may or may not work. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've never had to work, but other people like you
Speaker 2: have and Tom Shaye and other people. But I think
Speaker 2: it's just a matter of interest. It's like those those
Speaker 2: pheromone chips, you remember, playing with those things like that
Speaker 2: doesn't smell sexy, like what in the world is going on?
Speaker 2: But it sure might know? But it might it might
Speaker 2: entice them. That might entice their their curiosity enough to think, like,
Speaker 2: what the heck is that?
Speaker 1: Well, now we're talking about sort of tracking them on
Speaker 1: a sexual level.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, yeah, Bubba could put his wig on.
Speaker 1: But I have and I've forgotten about this, but you
Speaker 1: you know, this business about when they'll trade. I've put
Speaker 1: out on that on that stump. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: what it was a little rubber ducky or some three
Speaker 1: pennies or something. I don't even remember what it was,
Speaker 1: but a little something on the stump. And the next
Speaker 1: morning that was gone, and there were three pebbles sitting
Speaker 1: on the stump. So it was there was an exchange there,
Speaker 1: which I've heard of. I've heard of other people talking
Speaker 1: about that. As a matter of fact, I've noticed now
Speaker 1: to my horror, around the U are, which is a
Speaker 1: big there's a bit's a big area. You go into
Speaker 1: different remote camp sites and where there will be a stump,
Speaker 1: you will sometimes see a little toy or three. In
Speaker 1: one place there was three pennies and it circled with
Speaker 1: magic marker, and somebody had written on the stump, please
Speaker 1: don't move these that sort of thing. So there's somebody
Speaker 1: out there that's doing this little bait business. It's not me.
Speaker 2: So, Mike, I met you at in British Columbia. I
Speaker 2: think the first time I ever met you were up
Speaker 2: on the island there, Vancouver Island. But I mean we've
Speaker 2: been to Olympic Peninsula together. I mean I think I
Speaker 2: might have been in Florida together or something at one point,
Speaker 2: North Carolina. All over the place really I mean.
Speaker 1: We've bumped heads at a lot of different places. You
Speaker 1: and I spent the night together up on the hillside
Speaker 1: and Dan, Vancouver Island.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Yeah, Yeah, it was a great night.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're taking any bigfoot stuff happened, but
Speaker 2: it was great hanging out with you. Just made a
Speaker 2: new friend. You know, where have you not gone that
Speaker 2: you would still want to go?
Speaker 1: Nowhere? I know, I can't think of anywhere that i'd
Speaker 1: want to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you did it, You just up and did it.
Speaker 1: I well, I you know, I just like you guys.
Speaker 1: You've sort of been everywhere now And the reason I
Speaker 1: I had such good luck in the Yuwari and it's
Speaker 1: only thirty miles away, it would be a waste. I mean,
Speaker 1: I love the Northwest.
Speaker 2: One of the things that you got to do that
Speaker 2: I know another guy who's done it as well. But
Speaker 2: you took You're you're an accomplished you know, like sailor
Speaker 2: basically you're you're you have your you have nautical a
Speaker 2: nautical background. Didn't you take a boat up to British
Speaker 2: Columbia and like sail the islands?
Speaker 1: And uh, well, actually I did it wasn't British Columbia.
Speaker 1: It was Quebec. You can see if you if you
Speaker 1: look on the map of Quebec up towards Labrador, you'll
Speaker 1: see and you can see this on any map. You
Speaker 1: can see it from outer space. It's a sixty mile
Speaker 1: wide ring with a forty mile wide island in the
Speaker 1: middle of it. It looks like a great, big wedding ring,
Speaker 1: and there's a there's a river that runs from it
Speaker 1: down about thirty miles to where they built an enormous
Speaker 1: hydro electric dam. And this is about one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty miles from the Saint Lawrence. So you drive up
Speaker 1: along the Saint Lawrence and you take a hard left
Speaker 1: and you go up this dirt road for one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty miles and you come to this hydro electric
Speaker 1: dam end of the road, and you can drive around
Speaker 1: to the top of it, and there's like a place
Speaker 1: where people put boats in. There's nobody around except the
Speaker 1: people who run the dam. And we went up up
Speaker 1: there three times before we were trying to circumnavigate the island,
Speaker 1: and the first time we had an open sixteen foot
Speaker 1: sailboat with a little motor and the second day in
Speaker 1: it got all foggy and rainy and you couldn't see anything.
Speaker 1: So well, all we could do was just set up
Speaker 1: our tent and sitting in the tent for like three days.
Speaker 1: It went on and on and on, and anyway, we
Speaker 1: ran out of time, so we had to do We
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had time to go around, so we turned
Speaker 1: around and came back. Next year, we went back with
Speaker 1: a motor boat, and I had calculated how much gas
Speaker 1: I was going to need by driving up and down
Speaker 1: the Delaware River, and I really screwed it up. I
Speaker 1: brought what I was going to be more than enough
Speaker 1: to get around this forty mile island and back down
Speaker 1: to the dam. And it was rapidly apparent at the
Speaker 1: end of the first day that my gas consumption estimates
Speaker 1: were way off, so we had to turn around and
Speaker 1: bring that back. Then next year we went up with
Speaker 1: a seventeen foot little sailboat that had a little tiny
Speaker 1: cabin on it so you could sleep in it, which
Speaker 1: was a big help, and that we sailed. We did
Speaker 1: sail it around. It took us twelve days. We went
Speaker 1: around it. It was beautiful, beautiful, nobody nobody around it
Speaker 1: just wonderful country, nice weather. It it's called the Mannicuigon Reservoir.
Speaker 1: And if you look on a map of Quebec up
Speaker 1: towards Labrador, you'll see a big city. You can't miss it.
Speaker 1: It's a big, sixty mile wide circle and it stands
Speaker 1: out like a like I don't know what the moon
Speaker 1: or something, but it was a neat place anyway. I thought, boy,
Speaker 1: that'd be a good place for a squatch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an ecological reserve. I have it on the
Speaker 2: map here and it's called the Louis Babel or Lewis
Speaker 2: Babel Ecological Preserve. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond
Speaker 2: with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so much great habitat in Canada to
Speaker 3: just to like, you know, put up a map and
Speaker 3: throw dolls and you can't go three out of four
Speaker 3: gonna land in a good spot, you know for habitat.
Speaker 1: You're right, I don't think I knew about anything much
Speaker 1: going on in Quebec. It always seemed to be the
Speaker 1: northwest part of Canada. But why not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they've got to be up in there. I've
Speaker 2: got a couple of things from the main border area
Speaker 2: in Quebec but not. But I think it's just because
Speaker 2: so few people are there. So many people overlook the
Speaker 2: ideas like, oh, Washington have so many big foots. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but Washington has a ton of people. That's why there's
Speaker 2: so many in reports from California as well. They always
Speaker 2: overlook the people element in the reports. You know, where
Speaker 2: there are no people, you aren't gonna have any sunsquatch reports.
Speaker 3: Well, one last thing. You had a pretty funny story, Mike,
Speaker 3: your Bluff Creek expedition.
Speaker 1: No, I'll tell you briefly. I put an ad in
Speaker 1: the paper. I wanted somebody to go to Bluff Creek
Speaker 1: squatching with me. This guy answered the paper so yeah,
Speaker 1: and he had a brand new for it explorer that
Speaker 1: we could use. It's great. So I go, Penny, Oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been camping blah blah blah. I go pick him up.
Speaker 1: It turns out he's a meth head bouncer at a
Speaker 1: bar in wherever the hell we were, San Francisco, I guess.
Speaker 1: And anyway, he was a complete jerk, absolute jerk. Got
Speaker 1: out there and we went up to Bluff Creek and
Speaker 1: camped up. There was a there's a dirt road that
Speaker 1: leads up past the lake, and we went up in
Speaker 1: there and camped, and I gave him the I gave
Speaker 1: him the video camera, and I had the rifle, and
Speaker 1: he immediately started seeing things. Oh there's one, there's one
Speaker 1: video here, video there, blah blah blah blah blah. We
Speaker 1: had the car parked pointing slightly downhill, and it was
Speaker 1: a very shallow downhill, and he decided I was going
Speaker 1: to sleep in the tent. He was leary about sleeping outside,
Speaker 1: so he slept in the car. I wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning. The car is now fifty yards down the road,
Speaker 1: run off the road, with its nose in the bushes.
Speaker 1: He says, Oh, I woke up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night and I turned on the headlights and I
Speaker 1: saw one and I thought I would I would creep
Speaker 1: up on it or something. I don't even remember now. Anyway,
Speaker 1: so he said I didn't want to turn the end on,
Speaker 1: so I coasted down there, and then I ran off
Speaker 1: the road and fell asleep. Well, and this is a
Speaker 1: big RV. We couldn't get it back on the road,
Speaker 1: and even if we could, the battery was dead because
Speaker 1: he'd gone to sleep and left the headlights on. I
Speaker 1: hiked down the fish Lake, which a couple of miles
Speaker 1: and I ran into a couple there. They're driving along
Speaker 1: and I flagged them down. They took me to the
Speaker 1: ranger station. I talked to the ranger and I showed
Speaker 1: him my you know, investigator I d blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and he very nicely drove me back up there and
Speaker 1: he said, Bobo, you know this as well as I do,
Speaker 1: he said, He said, be careful up here for me,
Speaker 1: he said, he said, all these guys growing pot up
Speaker 1: and he said, and I'm the only law round. And anyway,
Speaker 1: we got up there and he jumpstarted the car for me. Fine, okay,
Speaker 1: so the car, we got the car running, the ranger
Speaker 1: goes away. Then the next day we drove down to
Speaker 1: Bluff creeb We were up and we drove down to
Speaker 1: the creek itself and parked the car and we started
Speaker 1: walking down along the side of the creek and he
Speaker 1: said stop stop. He said, there's there's people over there
Speaker 1: or something like that. And I said yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. He said no, no, no, no, there are there
Speaker 1: are there are. So I said, okay, we'll turn around
Speaker 1: and we'll walk up the creek. So we walk up
Speaker 1: the creek and we go for about half an hour,
Speaker 1: and he said, there's somebody behind that tree there. He motioned,
Speaker 1: he said, the guy motioned to me to go back,
Speaker 1: and I said, yeah, right, I said, okay, Look, I said,
Speaker 1: we're going to go up ahead to hear up the creek,
Speaker 1: and we're going to hide, and we're going to wait,
Speaker 1: and if he comes up here, we'll confront him. So
Speaker 1: of course we went up there and hid, and nobody
Speaker 1: showed up. He hadn't seen anything at all. He was
Speaker 1: the guy had now freaked himself out. That that night,
Speaker 1: he said, I gotta go have a drink. I got
Speaker 1: to go to town and have a drink. And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I'm not going. I said, just okay. Well, he took
Speaker 1: the car and he didn't come back until ten o'clock
Speaker 1: the next morning. I mean, at this point he and
Speaker 1: he had done from the very beginning, everything he did
Speaker 1: was stupid and wrong and really annoying and and delusional.
Speaker 1: So I said, that's it. We're going, packed up in
Speaker 1: the car, drove back. He dropped me off at the airport,
Speaker 1: and that was it. And I never saw him again.
Speaker 1: I'm really sorry you were reminded me of that. That
Speaker 1: was one of the most unpleasant four or five days,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. I've spent my.
Speaker 2: Life, which is I guess why you go big footing alone?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I do. I do. I really like it by myself.
Speaker 2: I do well. Mike. Thanks so much for coming on
Speaker 2: Bigfoot and Beyond today. It has been far too long
Speaker 2: since all three of us got to hang out and
Speaker 2: just shoot the poop for a little while. Man, miss you,
Speaker 2: I miss you.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You're a kind of a fixture in my big footing
Speaker 2: life for a long time. And now we live on
Speaker 2: opposite coast and we just don't cross paths very often.
Speaker 2: So thanks very much for coming on and hanging out
Speaker 2: for a while.
Speaker 1: You are very welcome. It's been great talking to you all,
Speaker 1: and I wish you all the best. And I've got
Speaker 1: a son living in Santa Cruz now, So the next
Speaker 1: time I'm out that way, I'll co look you guys up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I give us a holer. Maybe I'll drive. We
Speaker 2: can all rally and Bluff Creek and have a good
Speaker 2: trip out there without all the weirdness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll leave the guns at home. Too your choice.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, well, thanks very much for having me on.
Speaker 1: It's been great talking to you, and I hope we
Speaker 1: can do this again and soon. Take care.
Speaker 3: Why uh, well, I knew you'd have an entertaining show.
Speaker 3: It's Cliff.
Speaker 2: I love Mike, man. It's been far too long since
Speaker 2: we got to hang out with that guy.
Speaker 3: He's got a he's got a ton of stories. He's yeah,
Speaker 3: he's put in the time and he's been rewarded first time.
Speaker 3: I mean he's frustrated he hasn't got more of it,
Speaker 3: but he got that great thermal footage. I mean, I
Speaker 3: mean Stacy's is great because it's so big and you know,
Speaker 3: it's dwarfs me. It's you can see it head to
Speaker 3: toe in one frame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Stacy Brown video, the thermal video of the
Speaker 2: sasquatch from Florida.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then Mike's is you know, it's a it's it's
Speaker 3: it's great because it shows more behavior. But when we
Speaker 3: did the recreation was it wasn't really much bigger than me, not,
Speaker 3: you know, not terribly bigger.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not all eight, eight or nine footers. Man,
Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of six and a half and
Speaker 2: seven's out there, I think.
Speaker 3: Right, you know, less I forgot was that was the
Speaker 3: one I got poison. I got poison. Ivy doing that
Speaker 3: recreation crawling up for the stump. All right, Cliff, well shoots,
Speaker 3: that was a good one, and we got more good
Speaker 3: ones coming up. So uh, I'm excited. These have been
Speaker 3: really good episodes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got a couple of wonderful guests trying to
Speaker 2: schedule them at this point. And you know, there's so
Speaker 2: many jobs happening on speaking engagements and stuff right now,
Speaker 2: so I know that you and I are very very busy,
Speaker 2: So we'll work our butts off, get some of these
Speaker 2: things scheduled and kind of share our conversations with our listeners,
Speaker 2: who we really appreciate. By the way, thank you very much.
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