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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with.

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<v Speaker 2>Cliff and Bobo.

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<v Speaker 1>These guys are you favorites, so like to say subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>and rade it.

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<v Speaker 2>Five Stock and Greatest gone yesterday and listening, oh watching

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<v Speaker 2>lim always keep its watching.

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<v Speaker 3>And now you're hosts Cliff Barrickman and James Bubo fay.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Bubbo. We have a great episode today. We have

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<v Speaker 2>someone on the episode who is a longtime friend of

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<v Speaker 2>both of ours. We've been on our expeditions with this gentleman.

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<v Speaker 2>This gentleman has filmed a Sasquatch, he's been on a

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<v Speaker 2>Finding Bigfoot episode, and he's one of our stops. Whenever

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<v Speaker 2>we're back east and hanging out, if we can call

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<v Speaker 2>this guy and have lunch or breakfast with him, we

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<v Speaker 2>do it every single time. Love this man, you know him,

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<v Speaker 2>and for everybody in the audience who does not know him,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond. Mike Green, Hi, Mike, how

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<v Speaker 2>you doing today? Man?

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<v Speaker 1>Gentlemen, it's great to talk to you again. I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you this is really great. It's a wonderful idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad you can come on. We've been meaning

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<v Speaker 2>to have you on for a long time, but gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>the way Bobo and I are kind of scatterbrained in general.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just taking us this long to get you, so

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much for setting aside a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>of time for.

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<v Speaker 1>Us anytime, anytime. I've been storing up horrible stories for

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<v Speaker 1>ten years.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's been about ten years since we did that.

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<v Speaker 3>Mike was our main witness on the first episode back

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<v Speaker 3>in this twenty eleven, ten years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, he was.

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<v Speaker 3>Just to give me a little background on Mike, I

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<v Speaker 3>think he was the chief investigator for the New Jersey

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<v Speaker 3>Fraud Department of the District Attorney's office or the Attorney

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<v Speaker 3>General's office. Yeah, and there's an army officer. So he's

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<v Speaker 3>not like me or something or cliffs and jazz musician.

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<v Speaker 3>He's a productive member of society, like one of the suits.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you call him the suits. You're in a suit, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it's it's funny. If you looked at my resume,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd have to admit, yeah, I was a suit. But

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<v Speaker 1>once I got home and took off my tie, I've

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<v Speaker 1>sort of a jack I'm really kind of a jackal

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<v Speaker 1>and hide personality. Uh and uh, yeah. It was suity,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was interesting stuff. But my my free time

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<v Speaker 1>was spent doing Uh I didn't go in for bowling

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<v Speaker 1>and the PTA.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I know, I was just busting busting balls on

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit. But yeah, I mean you were like,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, respected professional and all that.

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<v Speaker 4>Smart guy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, one interesting thing that I did that that is

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<v Speaker 1>sort of germane to what we we all of us do,

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<v Speaker 1>is I was studied to become a what's called a

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<v Speaker 1>question documents examiner, which is basically you're a forgery expert

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<v Speaker 1>to testify in court as an expert witness. So you're

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<v Speaker 1>you're taught to well, in this case, examine documents to

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<v Speaker 1>see if they've been altered or they're true, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody's writing somebody else's name, that kind of stuff. It

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<v Speaker 1>teachers you to look really closely at what you're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of you and pick it apart in your

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<v Speaker 1>mind and with your hands and sometimes with machines to see,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if it's real or not.

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<v Speaker 2>Which is directly applicable to like fake photographs and all

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<v Speaker 2>this other stuff. I mean you'd probably use that all the.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, right, yeah, exactly, fake photographs, you know, casts and

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<v Speaker 1>certainly all these these videos that are on YouTube, But

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<v Speaker 1>you don't have to be a forgery expert to look

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<v Speaker 1>at most of those that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Just that must just turn your stomach to turn on

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube and see all the garbage is out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm sort of amazed that people keep doing it,

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well they're rewarded, I mean the fake stuff and like

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<v Speaker 3>the stupid stuff on there's it gets one hundred times

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<v Speaker 3>the clicks of something that's like serious and like you

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<v Speaker 3>know scarly about the subject.

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<v Speaker 2>You've also had training with dealing with people, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>because your all your investigations over the years, not bigfoot investigations,

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<v Speaker 2>like other stuff like I have it in my head,

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<v Speaker 2>like welfare investigations and some criminal stuff. You dealt with

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<v Speaker 2>the whole swath of society, So you must have a

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<v Speaker 2>whole just a laundry list of things to look out

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<v Speaker 2>for if somebody's lying to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I was a narcotics probation officer, I was an investigator

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<v Speaker 1>for the Public Defender's Office. Uh and and and then

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<v Speaker 1>this chief of welfare frauds. So yeah, I'm used to

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with dishonest people.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy, did you choose the right field to goof around

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<v Speaker 2>in on free time. Man, Bigfoot is full of those people.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, oh it certainly is. It certainly is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, tell us how you really feel, Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would, but we're on the radio.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think a lot of people know you, just

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<v Speaker 2>because like you're not out in front and center. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a group, but you do such good

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<v Speaker 2>work behind the scenes. Can you tell our audience a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit about the background of what got you into

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<v Speaker 2>the bigfoot subject. We know a little bit about your

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<v Speaker 2>professional background, but for bigfoot purposes, what brought you to us?

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<v Speaker 1>What brought you to us was years and years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>I've always been a camper and a hunter, and camping's fun,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a lot more fun if you've sort of

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<v Speaker 1>got something to do while you're camping other than sit

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<v Speaker 1>at the fire and you know, poke around and your

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<v Speaker 1>sleeping bag and get high. So I've always been interested

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<v Speaker 1>in stuff like Bigfoot and UFOs and kind of weird stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So I read it up on it I thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be so something to this. There's just

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<v Speaker 1>too much i'll call it evidence lying around for this

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<v Speaker 1>to be nonsense. So I started going on. I'd get

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks vacation of years. So I started going out

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<v Speaker 1>to the west coast Vancouver Island, California, up on the

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<v Speaker 1>Sierras by myself squatching. And after a few years of this,

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<v Speaker 1>I found out that up and you guys know about

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<v Speaker 1>this Whitehall, New York, right up at the bottom of

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Champlain, there was a whole lot of big foot activity.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was five hours drive from my house as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to flying across country, so I could go up

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<v Speaker 1>and do this on the weekends. So I started going

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<v Speaker 1>up there, and there was a nature conservancy that owned

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<v Speaker 1>a big chunk of land that was right on the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of lake, very bottom of Lake Champlain, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like a little skinny, muddy river. And I would sneak

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<v Speaker 1>in there with my canoe, hide the canoe in the bushes,

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<v Speaker 1>and then go in there and camp with a thermal.

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<v Speaker 1>And I did that for seven years, and once in

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<v Speaker 1>a while I would, you know, I'd see like scrapes

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<v Speaker 1>or a busted tree, give me a little hope, but

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<v Speaker 1>nothing really great. However, one night, just as I was

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<v Speaker 1>putting the canoe in the woods and it was it

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<v Speaker 1>had gotten dark, some two guys in a motorboat pulled

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<v Speaker 1>up and they couldn't see me because it was dark.

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<v Speaker 1>Stopped and they were talking to each They turned the

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<v Speaker 1>motor off and they're talking to each other, and one

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<v Speaker 1>guy said to the other, this is where he said

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<v Speaker 1>he saw it. And the other guy said, yeah, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they drove off. That was it. But obviously

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<v Speaker 1>something had happened. And this was a great spot for

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<v Speaker 1>squatches to live. I mean it was very isolated and

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<v Speaker 1>hard to get to. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so that perked me up. And then just towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of all this, one night you've all heard whoops.

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<v Speaker 1>One night I would I would get up at three

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<v Speaker 1>o'clock in the morning, get out of my tent and

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<v Speaker 1>look around with the thermal, and then go back to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep and waiting for something to happen. Anyway, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just at three o'clock. I was just putting my boots

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<v Speaker 1>on to get outside, and all of a sudden, I

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<v Speaker 1>heard whoop wooo woo so loud. It sounded like somebody

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<v Speaker 1>was screaming in my ear. I mean, it was just deafening.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never I still haven't ever heard anything that loud,

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<v Speaker 1>but I said, thank god, you know, finally the squad

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<v Speaker 1>just put a stamp on this thing and giving it

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<v Speaker 1>some reality.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're not wasting your time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, seven years is a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how many times I've been up there

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<v Speaker 1>and then and you guys have all seen the squeaky

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<v Speaker 1>thermal that I took down here in the u Are

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<v Speaker 1>National Forest. Pure luck. I'd never been down here in

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<v Speaker 1>my life. My wife's son moved down to Charlotte and

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<v Speaker 1>we came down to visit him, and the BFRO was

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<v Speaker 1>having one of their stupid expeditions in the Ure National Forest,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I said, okay, drove down, dropped my wife

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<v Speaker 1>off in Charlotte, and drove out to the UII to

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<v Speaker 1>the campground. And I got there the day before everybody

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<v Speaker 1>else did, so there was nobody there and set up.

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<v Speaker 1>I got there like at nine o'clock at night. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been driving literally all day from New Jersey and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really tired. Put up my little dome tent. Now this

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<v Speaker 1>is important. The campground has these tables that are built over.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like two by twelve's and cement, if you know

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<v Speaker 1>what they're like. They're very quite sturdy like dining tables,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, with bench seats built on the either side.

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<v Speaker 1>I had one of these two burner Coleman stoves. Put

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<v Speaker 1>the stove on the table, opened it up, and for

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<v Speaker 1>some reason or other, I had a big stainless steel

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<v Speaker 1>on the grill and then I put I had a big,

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<v Speaker 1>big like serving steel serving spoon, put that spoon in

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<v Speaker 1>the pot, and then I said, you know, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm going to do, but I'm really beat.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to go to sleep. So I left that,

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<v Speaker 1>got in my tent. I had my little raytheon two

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<v Speaker 1>fifty thermal, and went to sleep. Three o'clock in the morning,

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<v Speaker 1>which you all know is the witching hour. Three o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning I heard, and to this day, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what this was. I heard a PLoP noise

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<v Speaker 1>and it sounded like somebody dropping a water balloon on

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<v Speaker 1>the floor or a great big ripe tomato. There was

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<v Speaker 1>this PLoP noise down in the woods, and I just said, geeze,

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<v Speaker 1>what the heck is that. I didn't, you know, sit

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<v Speaker 1>bolt upright, but I just sort of laying there wondering

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<v Speaker 1>what that was. And this was in April, so the

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<v Speaker 1>leaves hadn't come out yet, but there was a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of drive leaves on the ground, and as I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>what's that PLoP, I heard a little scraping of leaves,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I'm mouse running a little bit. And how

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<v Speaker 1>he got up this close to me, I have no idea,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's all I heard. The next thing I know

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<v Speaker 1>is and I was in one of those little dome

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<v Speaker 1>tents right literally over the top of the tent, there

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<v Speaker 1>were two big what I call Darth Vader roars right

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<v Speaker 1>over my head, followed by sort of a backhanded swipe

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<v Speaker 1>whack at the tent, which I've heard other people talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this basically the same thing happening, sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>whack at the tent, not to hurt it, but sort of, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>tinkling noise, a metallic tinkling noise that sounded. All I

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<v Speaker 1>It certainly didn't sound like a dog, but they made

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<v Speaker 1>it was the place is not conducive to fingerprints, a footprints. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I looked over it and I still had this which

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<v Speaker 1>it made the tinkling noise. He had in running away

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<v Speaker 1>a bitch, all right, anyway, So anyway, so I knew

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<v Speaker 2>And that'll happen the night before the actual expedition even started, right.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. I'm all by myself. Next day, everybody shows up,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling them all about this. And then three o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning, once again, there's about five or six

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<v Speaker 1>in low voices, waiting for something to happen, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every ten minutes or so, i'd get up and i'd

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<v Speaker 1>with a thermal, you don't have to look very hard.

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<v Speaker 1>a little baby digital video digital video recorder a DBR

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<v Speaker 1>that had and this is the stupidest thing I ever

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<v Speaker 1>did in my life. It had a two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty six megabyte not gig megabyte SD card in it,

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<v Speaker 1>about as small as you could possibly get, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was saving quote, saving that for when i'd really needed. Well. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>the last time I stood up, I looked around there.

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<v Speaker 1>It was about I don't know, ninety feet away walking

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<v Speaker 1>sideways to me, right to left, and sort of just

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<v Speaker 1>like in the movies, you get this big white silhouette,

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<v Speaker 1>hunky you know, no neck, big arms, hunky shoulders, striding

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<v Speaker 1>along to dump do dump dump dump, and I'm watching

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<v Speaker 1>it through the thermal, and I stupidly said, in sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a stage whisper, there's one now, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>everybody stopped talking, and I realized I didn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>video the DVR running.

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<v Speaker 2>The yeah, because this particular thermal imager doesn't record internally.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the old days, pretty much a thermal imagery exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So I put it down, and it took me about

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<v Speaker 1>five or ten seconds to get the DVR up and running,

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<v Speaker 1>and I put it back up, and of course he

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<v Speaker 1>was gone. But I knew what I saw, and I

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<v Speaker 1>knew what happened the night before. Son of a bitch.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the place for me, I mean, and it

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<v Speaker 1>still is. It still is. To make a long story short,

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<v Speaker 1>my wife said, you know, really, what are we doing

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<v Speaker 1>up here? I'd like to be closer to my son.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, well, let's move. Let's move to North Carolina.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, two months later, I'm living in North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty miles away from the best footing spot I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>seen in you know, now like ten years of this,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I started going there regularly, week after week

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<v Speaker 1>after week, and after a few years, I got that

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<v Speaker 1>squeaky thermal that everybody has seen.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and beyond with Cliff and

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<v Speaker 2>Bogo will be right back after these messages.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so back to the squeaky footage, Mike, that was

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<v Speaker 3>taken to the same spot where you saw them inditionally

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<v Speaker 3>on the expedition.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, Yes, well, in exactly the same spot, and that

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<v Speaker 1>campground it's not particularly pretty and during the week there's

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<v Speaker 1>nobody there, so I'd always get I'm now, I'm unemployed,

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<v Speaker 1>I got all the time I want retired, so I

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<v Speaker 1>could go. I'd go down during the week and i'd

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<v Speaker 1>have the place to myself, and i'd go to that

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<v Speaker 1>same campsite and the stump where I had put the

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<v Speaker 1>zagnut bar that I would use for bait. And actually

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<v Speaker 1>I usually used the jar of peanut butter, but I've

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten the peanut butter, and I've had a zagnut bar

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<v Speaker 1>for myself. But so I felt, well, I'll take one

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<v Speaker 1>for the team, and I put the zagnut bar on

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<v Speaker 1>the stump.

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<v Speaker 3>Had the peanut butter, had the peanut butter disappeared during

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<v Speaker 3>that time?

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<v Speaker 1>Actually, you know, you know, the regular size can of

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<v Speaker 1>jar of peanut butter, they usually have like a red

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<v Speaker 1>top that's like three or four inches across, red plastic top.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a glass jar or glass or plastic I

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember. But anyway, you need you need a thumb

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<v Speaker 1>and fingers to open that thing, and and and and

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<v Speaker 1>a raccoon's hands aren't big enough to do it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>you got a per You need something with hands as

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<v Speaker 1>big as a person to open a regular sized jar

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<v Speaker 1>of peanut butter. So I took a jar peanut butter,

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<v Speaker 1>opened it up, took up, scoop out, smeared it on

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<v Speaker 1>the lid, and then put it on the stump. In

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<v Speaker 1>the next morning, the red lid was lying there by itself,

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<v Speaker 1>the jar was gone, and there was no peanut butter

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<v Speaker 1>in sight. Anyway, what I'd usually do is set up

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<v Speaker 1>the jar. It's time. I was using the raytheon with

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<v Speaker 1>a better DVR on top of it. Set that up,

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<v Speaker 1>pointed at the stump, turn it on about eleven o'clock

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<v Speaker 1>at night, and go to sleep. And I did that

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<v Speaker 1>over and over and over and over. And then this

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<v Speaker 1>last time, as I was setting it up, I heard

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<v Speaker 1>down in the woods. I heard a rustling like something

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<v Speaker 1>walking around, and I thought, I'll bet you he's since

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<v Speaker 1>nothing had happened all these other times, I'll bet you

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<v Speaker 1>he's watching me right now. So I put the thermal

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<v Speaker 1>on the tripod, pointed at the stump, and as you

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<v Speaker 1>guys probably know, the Raytheon's unlike the newer, newer thermals,

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<v Speaker 1>don't have auto focus. You had to manually focus it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was in a rush I did. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>you see the jelly donut instead of more of a

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<v Speaker 1>squatchy thing. Anyway, I put turned it, turned it on

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<v Speaker 1>the thermal. Then I got in my car and drove off,

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<v Speaker 1>drove away from the campsite so that there was nobody

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<v Speaker 1>else there. So obviously I had left the bait by

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<v Speaker 1>itself and it didn't have anything to fear, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>And I waited about two or three hours until I

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<v Speaker 1>knew that the battery on the on the thermal had

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<v Speaker 1>run down. And then I went back and the can

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<v Speaker 1>the bar was gone. The battery had run down, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had to wait until the next day till I

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<v Speaker 1>got home to recharge the battery and see what I'd gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, the battery on the Raytheon and the DVR rundown,

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<v Speaker 1>so I had to go home and plug in the DVR,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's when I saw what I'd gotten and I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't believe. I really couldn't believe it just fine, after

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<v Speaker 1>all this time to finally get something like that, I

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<v Speaker 1>was just beside myself. It was. It was really neat

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<v Speaker 1>and well, you guys know you've seen these things. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets to you. It gets you. You want it's addiction,

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<v Speaker 1>You want more and more and more.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's the curse. You know that is

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<v Speaker 2>often associated with seeing sasquatches. You know, it's the curse

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<v Speaker 2>like either you're not going to let it go or

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<v Speaker 2>it gives you PTSD, like something happens to you. You

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<v Speaker 2>know that even being involved in the subject for too long,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't let it go. I mean I'm sort of

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<v Speaker 1>happily hooked because it's it's an extremely interesting, albeit expensive hobby. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating. I just wish I could get more of it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. The only way to do it is to

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<v Speaker 1>do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's worse things to be addicted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure, I love seeing it. Like you said before,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean the whole behavioral aspects. It's not like the

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<v Speaker 3>clearest video thermal, but it's awesome and how much like

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<v Speaker 3>behavior it shows like the thought process is going to

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<v Speaker 3>scratch how cautious they are and how they sway in

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<v Speaker 3>the trees and crawl up.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I know it sort of when you you're

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely right, Bobo, when you when you know what happened

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't have to have somebody sort of walk

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<v Speaker 1>through the video with the with them sneaking up and

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<v Speaker 1>getting the candy bar. It really is the way that

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<v Speaker 1>how cautious it was. Uh, even though he saw me

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<v Speaker 1>drive away, he still acted like, you know, he had

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<v Speaker 1>to sneak up there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think you driving away actually probably played a

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<v Speaker 2>big role in it feeling safe enough to come up,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was one of the major flaws I think

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<v Speaker 2>with bigfooters in general, we all want to be every

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<v Speaker 2>one of us, I think wants to be Roger Patterson,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy holding her, the gal holding the camera. I

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<v Speaker 2>saw it, I filmed it. But you took yourself out

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<v Speaker 2>of the equation. You removed your own ego from the situation,

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<v Speaker 2>and the sasquatch responded in a way, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>it finally finally felt safe enough to come up, and

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<v Speaker 2>even then, knowing you weren't there, it snuck up on

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<v Speaker 2>all fours.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it did it did? It's it's uh well, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's why they were what they are and they're

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<v Speaker 1>so successful because they're so careful most of the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think I'm paranoid, but I've got nothing

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<v Speaker 2>like candle to candle these guys.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, speaking, and I wanted to. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw something in here, which is kind of neat and

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<v Speaker 1>I may be preaching you the choir, But do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys know about the flur and Seek little baby thermals

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<v Speaker 1>that plug into your cell phone?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, sure you do, Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I took one of those. I took the SEK

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<v Speaker 1>one draws its power from the phone. The flur one,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to charge it up. So the seque what

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<v Speaker 1>I did is I bought an extension cord, if you will,

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<v Speaker 1>so that I plugged it one end into the by

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<v Speaker 1>phone and the other into the thermal, which is about

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<v Speaker 1>the size of a domino. And it's on a little

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<v Speaker 1>actually it's a little old tent pole that goes through

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<v Speaker 1>a little hole in the roof of my van and

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes a periscope and it's this little teeny, little

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<v Speaker 1>black thing sitting up there. And all I got to

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<v Speaker 1>do is twirl that little tent pole around and I

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<v Speaker 1>get a three hundred and sixty degree thermal view of

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<v Speaker 1>everything around me and the the as you know that

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<v Speaker 1>the app for that that's on your phone you can

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<v Speaker 1>record with and you can do all the color palette

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and all that. But for two hundred and fifty bucks,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is really a terrific gadget.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, how is the resolution, because that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Bad at all? Not bad, It's not no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not bad at all.

419
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

420
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<v Speaker 1>No, I'd say more than adequate. A lot depends, you know,

421
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.440
<v Speaker 1>sometimes when it's been hot all day and then it's

422
00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:40.279
<v Speaker 1>hot at night and the trees still stay hot and

423
00:25:40.359 --> 00:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, things get a little bit kind of mushy,

424
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 1>But not much this I'd say this stands up very

425
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 1>well to others despite only costing two hundred and fifty bucks,

426
00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:58.200
<v Speaker 1>and the beauty of it having to have this little

427
00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.279
<v Speaker 1>tiny periscope and you can put it and do it

428
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in the tent just as well when you have it

429
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.720
<v Speaker 1>on your phone. The problem is you can you can

430
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.559
<v Speaker 1>hold the phone in your hand and look, but you've

431
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.880
<v Speaker 1>got the face of the phone all lit up with

432
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:17.759
<v Speaker 1>the picture that the thermal is taking illuminating your face,

433
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 1>so you're you're not being particularly you know, unobtrusive. But

434
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:29.279
<v Speaker 1>this separates the camera from the phone very neatly. I

435
00:26:29.359 --> 00:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>it cost me like two point fifty or something and

436
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 1>on Amazon to get this extension court and it works great.

437
00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that'd be the way to do it, because you

438
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.599
<v Speaker 2>don't want to light up your whole face looking at

439
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:40.759
<v Speaker 2>a phone because I mean, I don't know, I think

440
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.920
<v Speaker 2>sasquatches are very light sensitive. I'm assuming you guys do too,

441
00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:46.160
<v Speaker 2>And the last thing you want to do just blast

442
00:26:46.200 --> 00:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>yourself with a spotlight while you're you know, trying to

443
00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:50.960
<v Speaker 2>get it not to run away, right.

444
00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>I have used this a couple of times in a

445
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.359
<v Speaker 1>tent because sometimes I go tent camping down there and

446
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:02.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't use the van, and it works just as

447
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:05.119
<v Speaker 1>well in the tent. It's wonderful. You can stick it

448
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>in your pocket. You know, weighs nothing. There are really

449
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:11.720
<v Speaker 1>a terrific gadget.

450
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 2>Where were these things ten years ago, right when we're

451
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 2>hauling around two fifty d's in the.

452
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:20.160
<v Speaker 1>Woods, I know, I know, well, I found I found

453
00:27:20.200 --> 00:27:24.480
<v Speaker 1>now that the the some of the thermal imagers that

454
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:28.720
<v Speaker 1>I've got. They what did they call it? I want

455
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:33.160
<v Speaker 1>to say view vu E. It's made by Flur and

456
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:38.039
<v Speaker 1>now the vu E. It's just a little standalone thermal.

457
00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>You put some power into it and there's a video out.

458
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:45.640
<v Speaker 1>It's about the size of my fist, maybe a little smaller.

459
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.640
<v Speaker 1>Now they're very expensive, but the original version, which is

460
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>the one that I got on eBay, I think, costs

461
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:58.759
<v Speaker 1>me about six hundred bucks. And it's great. It's weird.

462
00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:01.119
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like the path finders they used to have.

463
00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Well, actually I still have a pathfinder too. I have

464
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the pathfinder, the raytheon and the view and I stick

465
00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>all three of them up on top of the van

466
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:17.519
<v Speaker 1>at night and let them run into the DVR with

467
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:18.119
<v Speaker 1>no luck.

468
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.119
<v Speaker 2>I have to say, but are you still baiting them

469
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.599
<v Speaker 2>with a peanut butter or zag nuts or whatever.

470
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Peanut butter is sort of my favorite. I do have

471
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:36.799
<v Speaker 1>recordings of babies crying, babies cooing, and children like little

472
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:43.279
<v Speaker 1>kids playing in the playground, and fawn bleeds, and I

473
00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:46.000
<v Speaker 1>have fairly long recordings of all of those. And I

474
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>have a little PA system in the van that goes

475
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:55.319
<v Speaker 1>through the hatch and the roof, I can really make

476
00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>it sort of obnoxiously loud, which I think sort of

477
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.440
<v Speaker 1>defeats the because if you're going to have a baby crying,

478
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:06.079
<v Speaker 1>you know that the whole stadium can hear it. It

479
00:29:06.200 --> 00:29:08.599
<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound too real, So I try and keep it

480
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.079
<v Speaker 1>down and hope that well, it's going to be whatever

481
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.759
<v Speaker 1>it is is going to be close enough to hear

482
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:18.599
<v Speaker 1>a reasonable volume of whatever it is that I'm playing.

483
00:29:19.759 --> 00:29:25.799
<v Speaker 1>But between the sounds and the peanut butter, uh, yeah,

484
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 1>that's about it, honey. Sometimes but I think Bobo, weren't

485
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.559
<v Speaker 1>you guys big on like donuts?

486
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:36.000
<v Speaker 4>I was big on donuts. I don't know if the

487
00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 4>big Foot was.

488
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:38.640
<v Speaker 2>And Bobo got big on donuts.

489
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:44.119
<v Speaker 4>I put out all kinds of stuff. The ones.

490
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 3>I think I made such an antagonistic relationship with the

491
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:51.319
<v Speaker 3>ones that were near me that they just never took

492
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:51.839
<v Speaker 3>my food.

493
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>If any of you had peanut butter experiences, pointing in

494
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:01.759
<v Speaker 1>the bedroom.

495
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is a PG rated show. I've put a

496
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:07.720
<v Speaker 2>lot of bait out over the years, or offerings or

497
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 2>whatever word you want to slap on this thing, and

498
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.079
<v Speaker 2>I've never had anything taken to my knowledge, never once,

499
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.720
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if they just weren't around, because

500
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:20.200
<v Speaker 2>obviously there are very few of these things, or it

501
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.559
<v Speaker 2>saw me do it, or who knows, who knows. But

502
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.759
<v Speaker 2>I've never been successful. But I do have friends beyond you,

503
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 2>of course, that say that they have been successful. And

504
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I would bring up the Natella jar, the Natella cast

505
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>as being one of the most important examples.

506
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this is shap I'll be shallow. I want

507
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>to be the guy that proves it. Now, do you

508
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.359
<v Speaker 1>carry a gun? Yes?

509
00:30:44.880 --> 00:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>To do that.

510
00:30:46.200 --> 00:30:49.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you can edit this out if you want.

511
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.480
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no, all views are welcome.

512
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>My that you know, my I've wrote that books scratch

513
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:58.920
<v Speaker 1>for sale, yes.

514
00:30:59.039 --> 00:31:03.400
<v Speaker 5>Which by the way, I'm proud to say still sells

515
00:31:03.440 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 5>fairly regularly on Amazon. And that book was written and

516
00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 5>you guys are probably going to never speak to me again.

517
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 5>That book was written to be politically correct.

518
00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 4>It's all right.

519
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.799
<v Speaker 1>It does not mention that from day one I have

520
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:24.839
<v Speaker 1>carried a gun.

521
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>No, but you know what, I was surprised to learn

522
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.640
<v Speaker 2>that you were carrying around tranquilizers back in the day.

523
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, you know that.

524
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 1>At first I thought I'm going to get close enough

525
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>when I went up to Bellakula. I had a tranquilizer gun,

526
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and my vet convinced me. I convinced him. He gave

527
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.920
<v Speaker 1>me a prescription for ramponds. The name of it it's

528
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 1>an animal tranquilizer. They still use it and in order

529
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 1>the darts and the gun through the over the internet,

530
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's good for about fifty feet. But I thought, yeah,

531
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 1>what the heck? Well, you know, I soon realized that

532
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:06.400
<v Speaker 1>if I even see one, I'll be lucky much less

533
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:08.279
<v Speaker 1>get a shot at him. So I gave up. But

534
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>it was kind of fun to have a tranquilizer dart

535
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>gun for a while. But anyway, I traded it in

536
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.079
<v Speaker 1>for the largest rifle with a thermal scope, which is

537
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:26.359
<v Speaker 1>what I use now. And I will take thirty seconds

538
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>here and give you my rather shallow rationale, which is, men,

539
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:36.200
<v Speaker 1>for better or for worse, and probably for worse, have killed,

540
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:44.039
<v Speaker 1>stuffed and eaten everything, everything, including each other, on the planet,

541
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>absolutely everything. Why does this guy get a pass? All

542
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:52.240
<v Speaker 1>we need is one.

543
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:53.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

544
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>I've got mixed feelings, I really do, and I feel bad.

545
00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:06.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't feel bad enough. I guess I'm shallow or whatever.

546
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

547
00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 2>That's all good, you know, if you didn't feel bad

548
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:10.880
<v Speaker 2>at all, you would frighten me.

549
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:15.279
<v Speaker 1>No, I have really mixed feelings about doing this, but

550
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.599
<v Speaker 1>I you know, and you've all been in this as

551
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:23.480
<v Speaker 1>long as I have. It is so frustrating, you know.

552
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.559
<v Speaker 1>I look my wife, my son in the eye. They've

553
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:32.000
<v Speaker 1>seen the video, they've heard me tell the stories, and

554
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 1>they're going yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I know

555
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 1>what's going on. I'm sounding paranoid now. I know what's

556
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.319
<v Speaker 1>going on behind those eyes, and they're going, you know,

557
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 1>is he crazy?

558
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:47.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I don't know.

559
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:50.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. You and you guys, you know until

560
00:33:50.359 --> 00:33:53.319
<v Speaker 1>you see one and you know it for yourself what

561
00:33:53.480 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 1>you've seen, you can't swallow this one hundred percent.

562
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and

563
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:04.799
<v Speaker 2>Bogo will be right back. After these messages.

564
00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:15.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm still a big believer in the not only do

565
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>they And I remember you, Bobo, talking about when you

566
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:23.800
<v Speaker 1>turned on the infrared illuminator. One was coming across a pond,

567
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I think, towards you, and you turned on the illuminator

568
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:28.760
<v Speaker 1>and it turned around and took off.

569
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was me actually with the camera. I

570
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.639
<v Speaker 2>was just trying to record the sounds because it was

571
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.360
<v Speaker 2>something big was splashed around in the water and we

572
00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>had sasquatches run us earlier that night. We're thinking, that's

573
00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.760
<v Speaker 2>got to be them. And I had the I had

574
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:43.480
<v Speaker 2>one of those sony cameras with the one led in

575
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 2>front early night shots sort of take, and it was

576
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.159
<v Speaker 2>like maybe a foot above the ground. I was sitting

577
00:34:48.199 --> 00:34:50.480
<v Speaker 2>by the campfire. There's no fire going on, but it's

578
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>all dark, and this thing wo or Bobo woke me up,

579
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.559
<v Speaker 2>and I think it woke Bobo up. So I had

580
00:34:56.559 --> 00:34:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the camera but maybe a foot above the ground, and

581
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:00.840
<v Speaker 2>I was just going to turn it just to record

582
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.920
<v Speaker 2>the sound. Because this is way back in the early days.

583
00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a lot of technology and all that

584
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:06.719
<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff, you know, didn't have therms or even

585
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 2>recorders were very limited by battery and storage and stuff

586
00:35:10.519 --> 00:35:13.360
<v Speaker 2>at that point. So and I turned on the red

587
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the video camera to record the sounds, but I didn't

588
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>know the night shot was on. And then that night shot,

589
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 2>that one led illuminator came on and immediately immediately at

590
00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 2>the same time, all sound in the lake across the

591
00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:30.280
<v Speaker 2>pond there stopped and I never heard it again after that.

592
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:33.559
<v Speaker 2>I say well, that's a very strong coincidence.

593
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:39.039
<v Speaker 1>I have absolutely no doubt that they can sense infrared.

594
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I also will go a step further, and you know

595
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:49.239
<v Speaker 1>the market lack of game cam photos considering the number

596
00:35:49.239 --> 00:35:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of game cams that are out there, which is, if

597
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:56.880
<v Speaker 1>not millions, hundreds of thousands that they've managed to avoid.

598
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I think they can sense electrical feeling. Undoubtedly.

599
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're sensing something. I always go with the hearing, like,

600
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 2>I think they can hear the electronics, but they might

601
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:08.920
<v Speaker 2>be able to sense it else out.

602
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I may may maybe hearing is the right word.

603
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:17.480
<v Speaker 1>But you know how like pigeons can can nowhere north

604
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:22.800
<v Speaker 1>is that kind of stuff. They got an extra sense

605
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:28.119
<v Speaker 1>that that that that we don't have, that that tells

606
00:36:28.159 --> 00:36:32.000
<v Speaker 1>them that there's there's there's something over there that's generating

607
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>a little some sort of an electrical field, and for

608
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.880
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, I don't want to go close to it.

609
00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, for the first time I thought of that,

610
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.960
<v Speaker 2>I was camping with Bobo up at Bluff Creek and

611
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:47.519
<v Speaker 2>we we'd walked around that night we thought there was

612
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 2>one in the area because it sounds we're hearing, and

613
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.719
<v Speaker 2>we went to bed and then I set my recorder up.

614
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>At the time, I was using mini disc recorders because

615
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 2>little hard drive recorders just didn't exist yet, you know,

616
00:36:57.239 --> 00:36:59.039
<v Speaker 2>or at least not in my prize range did. Maybe

617
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:01.559
<v Speaker 2>they did, but I had a mini disc recorder and

618
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>they make a little bit of noise, and they could

619
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:05.880
<v Speaker 2>only record for about seventy five minutes, seventy four minutes

620
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I think it was, or you know, not very long

621
00:37:07.559 --> 00:37:10.400
<v Speaker 2>in a hour hour and a half. And we kind

622
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 2>of laid down and we're sleeping outside the tent and

623
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.280
<v Speaker 2>just on the ground, and that saying was churning away recording,

624
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:17.960
<v Speaker 2>and we kind of halfway dozed off, and then we

625
00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:20.639
<v Speaker 2>were awakened by something really close to camp, like in

626
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.920
<v Speaker 2>these bushes that maybe thirty forty feet away, doing this

627
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:29.320
<v Speaker 2>strange like growl, hiss sort of sort of thing. And

628
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I go, oh, crap, and then I and then it

629
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>went away, and I checked the recorder it had stopped.

630
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.480
<v Speaker 2>And I think, and I believe it happened right because

631
00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 2>we checked the time. I think it happened within like

632
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 2>two or three minutes after the recorder stopped. Yeah, two minutes, yeah,

633
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>so yeah, it sounds about right. Yeah, right after the

634
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:51.440
<v Speaker 2>recorder stopped, and that's the first time it dawned to me,

635
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 2>like there's something else up. Man, They're they're sensing something

636
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 2>about electronics. Maybe they're hearing it. Maybe it's something else

637
00:37:57.559 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 2>like you're saying.

638
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.880
<v Speaker 1>In this case, it was a sort of a change

639
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 1>of circumstance. Yeah. Yeah, huh.

640
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 2>They're weird critters, man, I'll give them that. They are

641
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:08.400
<v Speaker 2>a weird species.

642
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:08.960
<v Speaker 4>I think.

643
00:38:08.960 --> 00:38:11.800
<v Speaker 3>The other thing to thinking about, Mike was when I

644
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.000
<v Speaker 3>was that night when I had my first full you know,

645
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.119
<v Speaker 3>crazy and kind of I knew that, like I was like,

646
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:19.079
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, you know, the first time I knew

647
00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:20.800
<v Speaker 3>that for sure was a sasquatch, and that scared the

648
00:38:20.800 --> 00:38:21.400
<v Speaker 3>crap out of me.

649
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:24.960
<v Speaker 4>Had that night vision, and when.

650
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.199
<v Speaker 3>I was messing with the folks, there's the knobs in

651
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.000
<v Speaker 3>the front and the battery covered nob was the same

652
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:35.360
<v Speaker 3>as the focus and the the knobs, and as I

653
00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.039
<v Speaker 3>thought I was focusing it, I was unscrewing the battery

654
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 3>and as soon as the battery turned off as one

655
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:42.960
<v Speaker 3>of the things screening. Within seconds, they all ran across

656
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:45.039
<v Speaker 3>the metatories with like bluff, charged me and then ran

657
00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:45.559
<v Speaker 3>behind me.

658
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Yeah, same idea, same idea, and that's that In

659
00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:55.079
<v Speaker 1>a way, it is sort of the reverse. The electrical

660
00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:00.920
<v Speaker 1>current went off in both those cases and that generated activity.

661
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:03.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, you know how they react like when

662
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:07.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody leaves campers, drives away, sometimes you get knocks or something,

663
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:11.840
<v Speaker 2>and it's very often about when something changes, they react

664
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:15.599
<v Speaker 2>in some sort of way. Well, so, knowing as much

665
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:18.119
<v Speaker 2>as you do us ask watches, having so much experience

666
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:22.559
<v Speaker 2>in the woods, what kind of advice would you give

667
00:39:22.639 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 2>to our listeners, Like, what's in your opinion, what are

668
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:28.039
<v Speaker 2>some of the best tactics to actually go out and

669
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:29.719
<v Speaker 2>get something and bring something back.

670
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>And when you say something, I assume you mean a photograph.

671
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.000
<v Speaker 2>Anything, No, I mean anything.

672
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:40.679
<v Speaker 1>Really, My suggestion would be, if you own an iPhone

673
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>or an Android, to spend two hundred and fifty bucks,

674
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:47.559
<v Speaker 1>get one of those little baby thermals the size of

675
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 1>a domino, and get an extension cord of eight feet

676
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.920
<v Speaker 1>long from Amazon and use that when you go camping.

677
00:39:57.159 --> 00:40:00.119
<v Speaker 1>And that way you don't have to expose yourself. I

678
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.719
<v Speaker 1>haven't spent a lot of money, and you can easily

679
00:40:02.880 --> 00:40:06.000
<v Speaker 1>record and you can look around three hundred and sixty

680
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:09.559
<v Speaker 1>degrees with this little tiny thing poking out of your

681
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:14.880
<v Speaker 1>tent or whatever. It's an inexpensive way to get in

682
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:20.159
<v Speaker 1>on the program and a very good way to record

683
00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:20.599
<v Speaker 1>it too.

684
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.519
<v Speaker 2>Now, how would you entice the sasquatches to come into camp?

685
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:26.960
<v Speaker 2>Is it all zagnut candy? Is it all like food

686
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:27.599
<v Speaker 2>and sounds?

687
00:40:27.679 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 4>Or is anything else to do?

688
00:40:29.280 --> 00:40:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what else to do, if you know,

689
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 1>if I other than food and sounds, I really don't

690
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:38.639
<v Speaker 1>know what else there is. And I'd love to have

691
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:39.880
<v Speaker 1>some suggestions.

692
00:40:40.480 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 2>I got one actually, because I'm just thinking of the

693
00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.880
<v Speaker 2>other senses right now. Have you ever tried some sort

694
00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:48.039
<v Speaker 2>of olfactory attractants, like some sort of smells that they

695
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:48.960
<v Speaker 2>would find interesting?

696
00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Well that was the peanut butter.

697
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because you smear it on the outside right right.

698
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:57.559
<v Speaker 2>You know a friend of mine, Chris Minier, we haven't

699
00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>had the show yet, he'd be a great guest out

700
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.719
<v Speaker 2>of the show. But Chris minni or the night he

701
00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 2>saw his he soaked a bandana and what is that?

702
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:06.000
<v Speaker 4>Really?

703
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Really cheap? After shape? What the aqua velva?

704
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:09.519
<v Speaker 4>Is that?

705
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Right?

706
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Is that?

707
00:41:10.519 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

708
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.400
<v Speaker 2>He just went to Walgreens or someone bought the cheapest

709
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.199
<v Speaker 2>one off the shelf and he just soaked bandanas in

710
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.119
<v Speaker 2>that and hung those out a couple hundred yards from camp,

711
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:21.480
<v Speaker 2>and that night he saw one.

712
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:26.199
<v Speaker 1>Really the idea a strange smell.

713
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you know, anything changes in their territory, they

714
00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:31.840
<v Speaker 2>got to figure out what's going on. Their life might

715
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 2>depend on it.

716
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a very good idea that hadn't occurred to me.

717
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

718
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:38.920
<v Speaker 2>I think we're always going for the foods. I mean,

719
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 2>I think food may or may not work. I mean,

720
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I've never had to work, but other people like you

721
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.159
<v Speaker 2>have and Tom Shaye and other people. But I think

722
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 2>it's just a matter of interest. It's like those those

723
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.679
<v Speaker 2>pheromone chips, you remember, playing with those things like that

724
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.119
<v Speaker 2>doesn't smell sexy, like what in the world is going on?

725
00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 2>But it sure might know? But it might it might

726
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.760
<v Speaker 2>entice them. That might entice their their curiosity enough to think, like,

727
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:00.880
<v Speaker 2>what the heck is that?

728
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, now we're talking about sort of tracking them on

729
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.239
<v Speaker 1>a sexual level.

730
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, yeah, Bubba could put his wig on.

731
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:13.239
<v Speaker 1>But I have and I've forgotten about this, but you

732
00:42:13.519 --> 00:42:17.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, this business about when they'll trade. I've put

733
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:22.480
<v Speaker 1>out on that on that stump. I don't even remember

734
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 1>what it was a little rubber ducky or some three

735
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>pennies or something. I don't even remember what it was,

736
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.880
<v Speaker 1>but a little something on the stump. And the next

737
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:39.760
<v Speaker 1>morning that was gone, and there were three pebbles sitting

738
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 1>on the stump. So it was there was an exchange there,

739
00:42:44.559 --> 00:42:47.280
<v Speaker 1>which I've heard of. I've heard of other people talking

740
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:52.840
<v Speaker 1>about that. As a matter of fact, I've noticed now

741
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 1>to my horror, around the U are, which is a

742
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.360
<v Speaker 1>big there's a bit's a big area. You go into

743
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:04.280
<v Speaker 1>different remote camp sites and where there will be a stump,

744
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:10.119
<v Speaker 1>you will sometimes see a little toy or three. In

745
00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:14.360
<v Speaker 1>one place there was three pennies and it circled with

746
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:18.239
<v Speaker 1>magic marker, and somebody had written on the stump, please

747
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:23.400
<v Speaker 1>don't move these that sort of thing. So there's somebody

748
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:27.480
<v Speaker 1>out there that's doing this little bait business. It's not me.

749
00:43:28.280 --> 00:43:31.519
<v Speaker 2>So, Mike, I met you at in British Columbia. I

750
00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:33.599
<v Speaker 2>think the first time I ever met you were up

751
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:36.119
<v Speaker 2>on the island there, Vancouver Island. But I mean we've

752
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:38.559
<v Speaker 2>been to Olympic Peninsula together. I mean I think I

753
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>might have been in Florida together or something at one point,

754
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. All over the place really I mean.

755
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>We've bumped heads at a lot of different places. You

756
00:43:47.400 --> 00:43:50.719
<v Speaker 1>and I spent the night together up on the hillside

757
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>and Dan, Vancouver Island.

758
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:55.519
<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's right. Yeah, Yeah, it was a great night.

759
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're taking any bigfoot stuff happened, but

760
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 2>it was great hanging out with you. Just made a

761
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:03.360
<v Speaker 2>new friend. You know, where have you not gone that

762
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:04.800
<v Speaker 2>you would still want to go?

763
00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Nowhere? I know, I can't think of anywhere that i'd

764
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 1>want to go.

765
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you did it, You just up and did it.

766
00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.119
<v Speaker 1>I well, I you know, I just like you guys.

767
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 1>You've sort of been everywhere now And the reason I

768
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:26.360
<v Speaker 1>I had such good luck in the Yuwari and it's

769
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:30.480
<v Speaker 1>only thirty miles away, it would be a waste. I mean,

770
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:31.719
<v Speaker 1>I love the Northwest.

771
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:33.800
<v Speaker 2>One of the things that you got to do that

772
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I know another guy who's done it as well. But

773
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.880
<v Speaker 2>you took You're you're an accomplished you know, like sailor

774
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:42.079
<v Speaker 2>basically you're you're you have your you have nautical a

775
00:44:42.159 --> 00:44:46.239
<v Speaker 2>nautical background. Didn't you take a boat up to British

776
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Columbia and like sail the islands?

777
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And uh, well, actually I did it wasn't British Columbia.

778
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:56.719
<v Speaker 1>It was Quebec. You can see if you if you

779
00:44:56.840 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 1>look on the map of Quebec up towards Labrador, you'll

780
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 1>see and you can see this on any map. You

781
00:45:04.639 --> 00:45:08.320
<v Speaker 1>can see it from outer space. It's a sixty mile

782
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:16.239
<v Speaker 1>wide ring with a forty mile wide island in the

783
00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:19.480
<v Speaker 1>middle of it. It looks like a great, big wedding ring,

784
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:24.559
<v Speaker 1>and there's a there's a river that runs from it

785
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.000
<v Speaker 1>down about thirty miles to where they built an enormous

786
00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:33.239
<v Speaker 1>hydro electric dam. And this is about one hundred and

787
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:37.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty miles from the Saint Lawrence. So you drive up

788
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.320
<v Speaker 1>along the Saint Lawrence and you take a hard left

789
00:45:40.320 --> 00:45:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and you go up this dirt road for one hundred

790
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.360
<v Speaker 1>and twenty miles and you come to this hydro electric

791
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:48.800
<v Speaker 1>dam end of the road, and you can drive around

792
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to the top of it, and there's like a place

793
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:54.840
<v Speaker 1>where people put boats in. There's nobody around except the

794
00:45:54.840 --> 00:46:00.119
<v Speaker 1>people who run the dam. And we went up up

795
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:05.480
<v Speaker 1>there three times before we were trying to circumnavigate the island,

796
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.679
<v Speaker 1>and the first time we had an open sixteen foot

797
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 1>sailboat with a little motor and the second day in

798
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 1>it got all foggy and rainy and you couldn't see anything.

799
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 1>So well, all we could do was just set up

800
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.880
<v Speaker 1>our tent and sitting in the tent for like three days.

801
00:46:25.960 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 1>It went on and on and on, and anyway, we

802
00:46:29.079 --> 00:46:31.440
<v Speaker 1>ran out of time, so we had to do We

803
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:33.199
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have had time to go around, so we turned

804
00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:35.840
<v Speaker 1>around and came back. Next year, we went back with

805
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:39.480
<v Speaker 1>a motor boat, and I had calculated how much gas

806
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:42.199
<v Speaker 1>I was going to need by driving up and down

807
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:48.760
<v Speaker 1>the Delaware River, and I really screwed it up. I

808
00:46:48.800 --> 00:46:50.840
<v Speaker 1>brought what I was going to be more than enough

809
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.719
<v Speaker 1>to get around this forty mile island and back down

810
00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.760
<v Speaker 1>to the dam. And it was rapidly apparent at the

811
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:03.320
<v Speaker 1>end of the first day that my gas consumption estimates

812
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.800
<v Speaker 1>were way off, so we had to turn around and

813
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:09.960
<v Speaker 1>bring that back. Then next year we went up with

814
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.960
<v Speaker 1>a seventeen foot little sailboat that had a little tiny

815
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.519
<v Speaker 1>cabin on it so you could sleep in it, which

816
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:20.079
<v Speaker 1>was a big help, and that we sailed. We did

817
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:22.800
<v Speaker 1>sail it around. It took us twelve days. We went

818
00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:28.440
<v Speaker 1>around it. It was beautiful, beautiful, nobody nobody around it

819
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 1>just wonderful country, nice weather. It it's called the Mannicuigon Reservoir.

820
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:41.519
<v Speaker 1>And if you look on a map of Quebec up

821
00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:46.079
<v Speaker 1>towards Labrador, you'll see a big city. You can't miss it.

822
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:50.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a big, sixty mile wide circle and it stands

823
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.920
<v Speaker 1>out like a like I don't know what the moon

824
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 1>or something, but it was a neat place anyway. I thought, boy,

825
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 1>that'd be a good place for a squatch.

826
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's an ecological reserve. I have it on the

827
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.039
<v Speaker 2>map here and it's called the Louis Babel or Lewis

828
00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Babel Ecological Preserve. Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond

829
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.519
<v Speaker 2>with Cliff and Bogo will be right back after these messages.

830
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:22.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's so much great habitat in Canada to

831
00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:25.760
<v Speaker 3>just to like, you know, put up a map and

832
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:28.199
<v Speaker 3>throw dolls and you can't go three out of four

833
00:48:28.280 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 3>gonna land in a good spot, you know for habitat.

834
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:33.960
<v Speaker 1>You're right, I don't think I knew about anything much

835
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 1>going on in Quebec. It always seemed to be the

836
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:41.880
<v Speaker 1>northwest part of Canada. But why not.

837
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they've got to be up in there. I've

838
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>got a couple of things from the main border area

839
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:49.800
<v Speaker 2>in Quebec but not. But I think it's just because

840
00:48:49.840 --> 00:48:53.079
<v Speaker 2>so few people are there. So many people overlook the

841
00:48:53.119 --> 00:48:55.360
<v Speaker 2>ideas like, oh, Washington have so many big foots. Yeah,

842
00:48:55.360 --> 00:48:57.400
<v Speaker 2>but Washington has a ton of people. That's why there's

843
00:48:57.400 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 2>so many in reports from California as well. They always

844
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.719
<v Speaker 2>overlook the people element in the reports. You know, where

845
00:49:02.719 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 2>there are no people, you aren't gonna have any sunsquatch reports.

846
00:49:05.920 --> 00:49:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, one last thing. You had a pretty funny story, Mike,

847
00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 3>your Bluff Creek expedition.

848
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:13.480
<v Speaker 1>No, I'll tell you briefly. I put an ad in

849
00:49:13.519 --> 00:49:15.639
<v Speaker 1>the paper. I wanted somebody to go to Bluff Creek

850
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:19.400
<v Speaker 1>squatching with me. This guy answered the paper so yeah,

851
00:49:19.440 --> 00:49:24.159
<v Speaker 1>and he had a brand new for it explorer that

852
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:28.000
<v Speaker 1>we could use. It's great. So I go, Penny, Oh, yeah,

853
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.239
<v Speaker 1>I've been camping blah blah blah. I go pick him up.

854
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:35.880
<v Speaker 1>It turns out he's a meth head bouncer at a

855
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 1>bar in wherever the hell we were, San Francisco, I guess.

856
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:47.039
<v Speaker 1>And anyway, he was a complete jerk, absolute jerk. Got

857
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:50.320
<v Speaker 1>out there and we went up to Bluff Creek and

858
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.679
<v Speaker 1>camped up. There was a there's a dirt road that

859
00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.000
<v Speaker 1>leads up past the lake, and we went up in

860
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:00.840
<v Speaker 1>there and camped, and I gave him the I gave

861
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:08.400
<v Speaker 1>him the video camera, and I had the rifle, and

862
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:14.079
<v Speaker 1>he immediately started seeing things. Oh there's one, there's one

863
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.800
<v Speaker 1>video here, video there, blah blah blah blah blah. We

864
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:23.400
<v Speaker 1>had the car parked pointing slightly downhill, and it was

865
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 1>a very shallow downhill, and he decided I was going

866
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:32.239
<v Speaker 1>to sleep in the tent. He was leary about sleeping outside,

867
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>so he slept in the car. I wake up in

868
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:40.079
<v Speaker 1>the morning. The car is now fifty yards down the road,

869
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.960
<v Speaker 1>run off the road, with its nose in the bushes.

870
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 1>He says, Oh, I woke up in the middle of

871
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:50.199
<v Speaker 1>the night and I turned on the headlights and I

872
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:55.400
<v Speaker 1>saw one and I thought I would I would creep

873
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 1>up on it or something. I don't even remember now. Anyway,

874
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.440
<v Speaker 1>so he said I didn't want to turn the end on,

875
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 1>so I coasted down there, and then I ran off

876
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the road and fell asleep. Well, and this is a

877
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 1>big RV. We couldn't get it back on the road,

878
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.679
<v Speaker 1>and even if we could, the battery was dead because

879
00:51:16.719 --> 00:51:19.760
<v Speaker 1>he'd gone to sleep and left the headlights on. I

880
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:22.239
<v Speaker 1>hiked down the fish Lake, which a couple of miles

881
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>and I ran into a couple there. They're driving along

882
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 1>and I flagged them down. They took me to the

883
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:31.320
<v Speaker 1>ranger station. I talked to the ranger and I showed

884
00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:35.000
<v Speaker 1>him my you know, investigator I d blah blah blah,

885
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.880
<v Speaker 1>and he very nicely drove me back up there and

886
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:41.960
<v Speaker 1>he said, Bobo, you know this as well as I do,

887
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:44.639
<v Speaker 1>he said, He said, be careful up here for me,

888
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 1>he said, he said, all these guys growing pot up

889
00:51:48.280 --> 00:51:53.239
<v Speaker 1>and he said, and I'm the only law round. And anyway,

890
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:59.239
<v Speaker 1>we got up there and he jumpstarted the car for me. Fine, okay,

891
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:04.079
<v Speaker 1>so the car, we got the car running, the ranger

892
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:09.800
<v Speaker 1>goes away. Then the next day we drove down to

893
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Bluff creeb We were up and we drove down to

894
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:17.920
<v Speaker 1>the creek itself and parked the car and we started

895
00:52:17.960 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>walking down along the side of the creek and he

896
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 1>said stop stop. He said, there's there's people over there

897
00:52:26.840 --> 00:52:28.639
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. And I said yeah, yeah, yeah,

898
00:52:28.719 --> 00:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>yeah yeah. He said no, no, no, no, there are there

899
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.039
<v Speaker 1>are there are. So I said, okay, we'll turn around

900
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:38.360
<v Speaker 1>and we'll walk up the creek. So we walk up

901
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the creek and we go for about half an hour,

902
00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:44.679
<v Speaker 1>and he said, there's somebody behind that tree there. He motioned,

903
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.559
<v Speaker 1>he said, the guy motioned to me to go back,

904
00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 1>and I said, yeah, right, I said, okay, Look, I said,

905
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:55.519
<v Speaker 1>we're going to go up ahead to hear up the creek,

906
00:52:55.880 --> 00:52:57.599
<v Speaker 1>and we're going to hide, and we're going to wait,

907
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:00.599
<v Speaker 1>and if he comes up here, we'll confront him. So

908
00:53:00.679 --> 00:53:04.360
<v Speaker 1>of course we went up there and hid, and nobody

909
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:07.199
<v Speaker 1>showed up. He hadn't seen anything at all. He was

910
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>the guy had now freaked himself out. That that night,

911
00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:15.639
<v Speaker 1>he said, I gotta go have a drink. I got

912
00:53:15.760 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 1>to go to town and have a drink. And I said, well,

913
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:22.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm not going. I said, just okay. Well, he took

914
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:27.320
<v Speaker 1>the car and he didn't come back until ten o'clock

915
00:53:27.400 --> 00:53:31.719
<v Speaker 1>the next morning. I mean, at this point he and

916
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:35.559
<v Speaker 1>he had done from the very beginning, everything he did

917
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 1>was stupid and wrong and really annoying and and delusional.

918
00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>So I said, that's it. We're going, packed up in

919
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:47.760
<v Speaker 1>the car, drove back. He dropped me off at the airport,

920
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:49.360
<v Speaker 1>and that was it. And I never saw him again.

921
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm really sorry you were reminded me of that. That

922
00:53:54.039 --> 00:53:58.079
<v Speaker 1>was one of the most unpleasant four or five days,

923
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 1>whatever it was. I've spent my.

924
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Life, which is I guess why you go big footing alone?

925
00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 3>Now?

926
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:06.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I do. I do. I really like it by myself.

927
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:09.719
<v Speaker 2>I do well. Mike. Thanks so much for coming on

928
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Bigfoot and Beyond today. It has been far too long

929
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:14.320
<v Speaker 2>since all three of us got to hang out and

930
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 2>just shoot the poop for a little while. Man, miss you,

931
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I miss you.

932
00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:17.519
<v Speaker 1>Man.

933
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>You're a kind of a fixture in my big footing

934
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:21.559
<v Speaker 2>life for a long time. And now we live on

935
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.119
<v Speaker 2>opposite coast and we just don't cross paths very often.

936
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:26.239
<v Speaker 2>So thanks very much for coming on and hanging out

937
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:26.719
<v Speaker 2>for a while.

938
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:30.039
<v Speaker 1>You are very welcome. It's been great talking to you all,

939
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:33.079
<v Speaker 1>and I wish you all the best. And I've got

940
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 1>a son living in Santa Cruz now, So the next

941
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:40.079
<v Speaker 1>time I'm out that way, I'll co look you guys up.

942
00:54:40.599 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I give us a holer. Maybe I'll drive. We

943
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:44.719
<v Speaker 2>can all rally and Bluff Creek and have a good

944
00:54:44.760 --> 00:54:46.519
<v Speaker 2>trip out there without all the weirdness.

945
00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll leave the guns at home. Too your choice.

946
00:54:52.440 --> 00:54:54.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, well, thanks very much for having me on.

947
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:59.280
<v Speaker 1>It's been great talking to you, and I hope we

948
00:54:59.320 --> 00:55:01.519
<v Speaker 1>can do this again and soon. Take care.

949
00:55:02.159 --> 00:55:05.800
<v Speaker 3>Why uh, well, I knew you'd have an entertaining show.

950
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:06.360
<v Speaker 3>It's Cliff.

951
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I love Mike, man. It's been far too long since

952
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:10.079
<v Speaker 2>we got to hang out with that guy.

953
00:55:10.679 --> 00:55:13.119
<v Speaker 3>He's got a he's got a ton of stories. He's yeah,

954
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.840
<v Speaker 3>he's put in the time and he's been rewarded first time.

955
00:55:16.159 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 3>I mean he's frustrated he hasn't got more of it,

956
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:21.880
<v Speaker 3>but he got that great thermal footage. I mean, I

957
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:24.840
<v Speaker 3>mean Stacy's is great because it's so big and you know,

958
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 3>it's dwarfs me. It's you can see it head to

959
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:28.519
<v Speaker 3>toe in one frame.

960
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the Stacy Brown video, the thermal video of the

961
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:32.400
<v Speaker 2>sasquatch from Florida.

962
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:32.800
<v Speaker 4>Right, Yeah.

963
00:55:32.840 --> 00:55:36.159
<v Speaker 3>And then Mike's is you know, it's a it's it's

964
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:38.639
<v Speaker 3>it's great because it shows more behavior. But when we

965
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:41.360
<v Speaker 3>did the recreation was it wasn't really much bigger than me, not,

966
00:55:41.599 --> 00:55:43.760
<v Speaker 3>you know, not terribly bigger.

967
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:45.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, they're not all eight, eight or nine footers. Man,

968
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>there's a whole lot of six and a half and

969
00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:48.639
<v Speaker 2>seven's out there, I think.

970
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:50.639
<v Speaker 3>Right, you know, less I forgot was that was the

971
00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 3>one I got poison. I got poison. Ivy doing that

972
00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.599
<v Speaker 3>recreation crawling up for the stump. All right, Cliff, well shoots,

973
00:55:57.639 --> 00:55:59.000
<v Speaker 3>that was a good one, and we got more good

974
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:02.119
<v Speaker 3>ones coming up. So uh, I'm excited. These have been

975
00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 3>really good episodes.

976
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:05.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got a couple of wonderful guests trying to

977
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:07.800
<v Speaker 2>schedule them at this point. And you know, there's so

978
00:56:07.800 --> 00:56:10.960
<v Speaker 2>many jobs happening on speaking engagements and stuff right now,

979
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 2>so I know that you and I are very very busy,

980
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:14.599
<v Speaker 2>So we'll work our butts off, get some of these

981
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:18.239
<v Speaker 2>things scheduled and kind of share our conversations with our listeners,

982
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:20.559
<v Speaker 2>who we really appreciate. By the way, thank you very much.

983
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks a lot, you guys. And keep on sharing

984
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 3>and liking those buttons.

985
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love those buttons. You're like frog and toad.

986
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Well this is not my button.

987
00:56:30.239 --> 00:56:32.280
<v Speaker 3>Thanks so much for listening. We appreciate the support. We

988
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:34.440
<v Speaker 3>appreciate you guys sharing it and liking it, you know,

989
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:38.239
<v Speaker 3>hitting the buttons that give us the clicks so we

990
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:41.360
<v Speaker 3>can do more of these. So until next time, keep

991
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 3>it Squatchy.

992
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:50.559
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993
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.199
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994
00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.599
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995
00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.800
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996
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997
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998
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999
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