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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time.

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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, TJ. Leaves. Yes, indeed,

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we get ready for a massive and it's appropriate to

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say massive championship pay per view from Saudi Arabia. We've

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been waiting for this for a little while now. The

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Ring four Night of champions disowned pay per view card

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coming Saturday afternoons, Saturday night, all day, all night in

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the US, middle of the night in Saudi Arabia, headlined

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by David Benavidez and Anthony Yard for Benavitez's WBC oh

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and Rayfhael put it on the sheet WBA Regular Light

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Heavyweight Championship that headlines four different championship fights on the

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main card. We're ready to talk all about it. I

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am merely the somewhat capable host. TJ. Reeves, Hello, Big

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Dan Raphael. Ready to preview and ready to go over

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all of this. How are things as we head to weekend?

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped up for this card. I think for me,

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this is the card I've looked forward to probably the

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most this year. Frankly, as far as on the schedule,

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it may not have the biggest of the superstar names

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but I believe every single one of the four fights

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we're going to talk about is competitive, is going to

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be fun, you know, or some combination thereof. And I

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think it's a dynamite show.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, certainly for the back half of the year. This

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is the most loaded championship fight card, and you got

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all kinds of subplots and storylines. We're ready to go

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over it. We've got some fight news and much more.

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Thank you for finding us on the podfeed. I'm gonna

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do a lot of promoting here real quick. Thank you

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for finding us on the pod feed. We preview going

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into the weekend, we recap coming off the weekend. By

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the way, on the pod feed, you can go back

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immediately before us and hear from David Benavitez as we're

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about to talk about his title fight with Anthony Yard.

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Hear him in his own words with Dan. Also find

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our YouTube page. You can see that interview on YouTube.

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Will push you to that. And by the way, when

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the fight card is o're with on Saturday night, We're

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gonna do it live Dan Rayfield. We're gonna come on

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and recap whatever happens live exclusively on the Big Fight

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social media, et cetera. But I'm saying to you, the

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pod audience here, be ready to be with us Saturday night.

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Dan's gonna explain the start time in a couple of moments,

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but Saturday night, late night US time, be ready to

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go on YouTube, will recap the fights. In the midst

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of all of this, Big Dan, I gotta fly to

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Los Angeles with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I don't know

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how far is La from Saudi Arabia. It's one thing

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you and Virginia, me and Florida. But now I'm gonna

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time and where it is in La, but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: You'll be uh, you'll be eleven hours behind.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that is a difference.

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Speaker 1: It's eight it's eight hours difference. They're they're eight hours

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Speaker 2: Interesting, all right, So again find the YouTube page for that.

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And I'm not done promoting. Guess what.

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Speaker 1: By the way, that just reminded me so for all

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those years I used to do my chats at ESPN.

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we'd always have issues with time zone yes to the conversions,

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and twenty five years later, I'm still trying to.

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thing that it is what time does it say on

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your watch where you are? And I love that's the

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Speaking of the watch, be ready at one Eastern time.

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I handicapping this a massive Sauty pay per view four

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championship fight card. Now there is a caveat Big Dan.

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It's a new platform. A lot of people have found it.

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from night, watch it Saturday morning. We will handicap the

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a half to rewatch the show on Twitter. I don't

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other than to say go find us there. You're not

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going to find us on YouTube. Don't be sending ray

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Speaker 2: Correct, it's a one off for this one. Shall we

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let the audience in on this. We may do something

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around Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua. They're interested in that.

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get to it, bro, Let's get to the fights. Here

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we are fight week. You and I have been watching

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the press conferences on Thursday, as they had all the

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there in Saudi Arabia. You talk to Benavitez. Here's the

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matchup with the Englishman Yard that headlines the show. Let's

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begin right there with your thoughts on Benavidez back in

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in a big moment for him, because Dimitri Beevil is

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hanging out there in a possible undisputed shot maybe down

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a good matchup and as much

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as I like the styles of Denavide's and Yard in

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terms of entertainment value. You know, I don't think it's

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the best fight on the show, even though it's the

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main event. But that doesn't mean it's not interesting to watch. Now. Yard,

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you know, we know what he's about. He is a

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big puncher. He makes fun fights. He comes forward, and

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when he has stopped up to the highest level in

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previous world title fights, he has been knocked out. So

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you know he has to get over the hap. Now.

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best guys ut at that time. So if you take

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a look at the record that he has, he did

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and he got stopped late. But Yard was in the fight.

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dealt out some punishment, He had some good moments and

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his Yard has made the point he only had like

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eighteen fights when that happened. And in Anthony Yard did

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even start boxing until he was eighteen years old, did

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just before he turned twenty years old, so he's a

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late bloomer. So for him to have eighteen pro fights

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and not having really fought anybody, hung in there very

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well against Sergey Kovalv in a world title fight, and

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by the way, that fight took place in Sergey Kovalev's

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hometown where he was born in Russia, so he went

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on the road for that. You know, yeah, he lost,

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mandatory once again. This is in twenty twenty three. He

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was a home in his hometown of London, and Arthur

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better Biev in his you know, absolute best went there

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as a three belt unified and lineal champion. They put

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on a tremendous lug fest and again Yard got stopped,

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this time in round number eight. But the thing he

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can take away from both those experiences that he was

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in both fights. You know, he was probably beating Kovlev

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up until the point of the knockout, and you know,

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he was maybe a whisker away from winning either one

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of those fights with a big shot. So since then

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he has won four fights in a row, including the

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rubber match. Because he was one and one against his

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countrymen Lyndon Arthur. He had lost a split decision against

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him in the first fight, had knocked him out in

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the fourth round in the second fight. They fought this

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fight on one of the big card. This was when

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but he's the optional defense for David Benavitez defending the

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WBC title and as in your favorite belt, the WBA

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regular title. But the big thing for me in this matchup,

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I know you love that is that Avidias we know

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is maybe entering his prime and has looked so good

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and done a lot of good things this year. Has

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a very impressed victory against David Morrell that took place

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back in February. But if there's any questions, we know

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what he's done at super midaway, two time champion of

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the WBC, lots of knockouts, lots of exciting fights since

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he's come up to light heavyweight. In the two fights

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he's had against the former champion, Alexander Fodzik. He won

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the fight. No one's debating that that was a decision

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back when he was an intern. I was an interim

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title fight. And then he had the big impressive victory

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against David Morrell, who, like David, was a super midaweight

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who had come up both of them, you know, being

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unable to get a fight with Canelo Alvarez in the

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super midweight division. But the thing is as a light heavyweight,

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he's now gone the distance in both of those fights.

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the way classes entire career, and so it is not

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unreasonable to discuss with, you know, whether or not David

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a lot of quality guys that's supermantle eight. And even

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though Yard has been knocked out, it's been knocked out

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by devastating punchers. I mean, Sergey Kovlev at his best

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was a fucking knockout machine. Arthur better Biev at that

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time was like eighteen and oho with eighteen knockouts, and

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you know, the only time he's ever gone the route

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has been in the fights against Amtribble. So to me,

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that's one of the interesting factors of this fight. Does

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as a light heavyweight, and now the David is in

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with a outstanding puncher in the light heavyweight division, because

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David Morrell as a light heavyweight probably not that kind

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of a puncher Vodzick, but not a big puncher in

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that weight class. Yard probably a little better puncher. So

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to me, that's the that's the interesting part of this

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this matchup in and listen, if Benavitez wins, it sets

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them up for a whole bunch of possibilities. And certainly

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if Yard wins, you know, it's a it's another monstrous

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win for British poxle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big upset if he wins. And Benavitez

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again has been a guy kind of ducked. I'm saying

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that in the past Beebel didn't want to fight him

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right away. Main event moment though for him, Let's see it,

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Let's see if he takes advantage of that. And again

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Speaker 1: I think, Yeah, I would saying I think and I'm not.

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but no one's paying me to promote the fight. I

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feel like there's no doubt that any of these four fights,

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given today's boxing landscape, absolutely would be main event on

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a show, but like a pay per view. But just

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as if you were doing an event, if you're a

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Matt Room or Golden Boys. Yeah, Top Rank or Queensberry

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whoever PB Senior doing a big event any of these fights,

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like give like Abdulla Mason and we're gonna talk about it.

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He's fighting Sam Oaks for a lightweight title. You don't

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think if Top Rank was still on ESPN, that would

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have headline one of their shows first?

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Speaker 2: Sure? All right, So the next one down the order,

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speaking of Top Rank, a top ranked fighter and Brian

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Norman fight against Devin Haney here for the WBO welterweight title,

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very intriguing fight. Have they finally separated Norman Senior and

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Bill Haney because they were going at it on the dais,

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They were going at it before they walked in, and

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then allegedly I'm seeing this on social media. Apparently there

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was some more screaming after the press conference. So we

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almost had a preview with Norman Senior and Haney the

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father there with this. But in any event, very intriguing,

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very intriguing fight. I just wonder about Devin Haney as

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a welterweight moving up, jumping up here to welterweight, when

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Brian Norman's been fighting at this at this division already.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the thing about it is, as you mentioned,

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I mean, he has not been a full welterweight. I

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mean he was tremendous as a lightweight, Devin Hainey, he

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was on disputed champion. He looked awesome at one forty

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when he just ran, you know, circles around and easily

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out box and dropped Regis Progra to win the title

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of the WBC. But everything that we know about Ryan

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in recent times is that you cannot erase the image

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of him being planted on the canvas three times by

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Ryan Garcia left hooks. This is in April of twenty four,

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a fight that, yes, it doesn't count as they lost

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on his record because it was changed on no contest

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because Ryan Garcia was h you know, was tested positive

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for a ped and was suspended for you not to

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mention the fact that Ryan Garcia was literally like four

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pounds overweight gave him an unfair advantage in that fight also,

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so it became a no contest. But you don't you

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don't know. It's like if you're if you're in a

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if you're on a jury, and and and some witness

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says something and the judge strikes it from the record.

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The jurors aren't supposed to consider that. But it doesn't

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mean you still don't remember heard like we saw Ryan

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Garcia get dropped three times with those shots and by

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the way, an otherwise competitive fight other than those rounds

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in which he was on the deck seven ten and eleven.

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So that was the fight that well, he was over

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one forty. Haney was at one forty the next fight

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that when Hainey came back. This was the Times Square

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fight that was in May. He won the fight very

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handily against Jose Ramirez, who was, you know, maybe past

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his best days, also was moving up a few pounds.

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They didn't do that the full fledged welterweight. That contract was.

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I actually looked that up. It was one hundred and

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forty four pounds was what they contract that. I'm both

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guys were like one forty three or one forty three

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and change. So now he is challenging Brian Norman for

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the WBO welterweight title. It's a full fledged welterweight fight.

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So in essence, it is his true debut in the

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weight class. And what's Brian Norman's best punch, DJ.

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Speaker 2: Would be the left hook, I believe.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. So he had a lot of problems

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obviously against the Ryan Garcia left hook. I don't think

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Brian Norman has the kind of hand speed that Ryan

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Garcia has, but for pure power it may be better.

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We'll find out. And the thing is he's also I mean,

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first of all, you got to give Haney credit for

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doing the fight, because his resume is just over the

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last years, is as good as anybody's in terms of

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who he's fighting that you can ask for. I mean

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think about the run he's been on when he first

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became the lightweight title holder. This is when Lomachenko declined

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to fight him as a mandatory and went and took

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the nonsense franchise title. He beat like good names. There

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were veterans and guys like Gamboa and Lenares. He beat

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Jojo Diaz when it actually still was a decent win.

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Jojo only had one loss to that point, despite the

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fact that he had along losing streak afterwards. Twice in

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Australia against Cambosis, the first one to become undisputed. He

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had a close but I think deserved, you know, a

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very reasonable decision win against Lomachenko, big win for him.

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Ran roughshot. Like I mentioned over, Regis Progra competed with

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Garcia obviously we know what happened there, and then had

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the easy win, although a shitty fight to watch against Ramirez.

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Speaker 2: Now, I will say, can I interject a lot of

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good guys. I understand that the concern was from the

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fight back in May. Is he still gun shy? He

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was on his bicycle, the whole fight did not have

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a lot of punch output in That is still an

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unanswered question going into this fight. Pick it up on

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that point, please.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Norman is is is the complete opposite of

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like a of a Jose Ramirez who's not you know,

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near the end of his career, who is not in

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you know, uh, He's a guy that's a natural wealth way,

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whereas Jose Ramirez wasn't, nor was Devinhandy obviously, even though

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they're fighting a few pounds below the limit, and and

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Norman is just coming into his own. Norman is only

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twenty four years old. For a period of time, he

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was the youngest reigning world title holder in boxing. Supplanted

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a few months you know, whenever earlier this year by

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xandersiis when Xandersyis won the title at U Junior middle Way.

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And Brian Norman has looked tremendous. He's got an old

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school kind of attitude, you know, have gloves, will travel.

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You know. He won in a is a big upset.

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In May of last year. He went to Giovanni Santition's

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hometown of San Diego. He was not supposed to win

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that fight. He stopped him in a bloody fight. You know,

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it was really Santian that was blood not Brian Norman

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stopped him in round number ten in Santion's hometown. That

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was for the interim title. When Terrence Crawford was moving

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up in waight ultimate to challenge Israel Majimov, Brian Norman

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was elevated to the full titleder. He looked spectacular in

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knockout wins and his next two fights and defenses not

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against elite fighters. He beat Derek Wavis. That was a

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very good performance. He then traveled to Japan to fight

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Tim Sasaki, who was a pretty highly regarded Japanese contender.

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This was back in June. He knocked him out on

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five rounds, a devastating knockout. So on that evidence in

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title fights or interim title fights from the Santion, He's

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won three in a row in that sense, all by knockout,

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all dominating fashion. He is still undefeated. He's twenty eight

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to zero with twenty two knockouts. I mean, this is

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a real guy that people view as somebody that could

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maybe you know, dominate for the next few years. And

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there are some people that will tell you right now,

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in granted a lacklust or overall weight class at walter

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wait and probably the number one in the division right now,

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and Uh, you know, he's gonna be the bigger guy.

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He's got that big left hook and he's and he's

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not backing away from this. I've watched a lot of

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their interactions. I mean they've been talking shit. You talked

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about the fathers, which you're not, you know, Devin obviously

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he's trained by his father, Brian is trained by his father.

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Brian Norman Senior is a former professional fighter. This has

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all the makings of a very interesting style matchup. If

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Haney comes to fight, if Haney does the bullshit that

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he did against Ramirez, and you know doesn't I don't

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have a problem with a guy boxing or a guy

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moving and a guy using his defense. What drives me

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crazy is when it's constant for the entire fight. It's

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always on the back foot. It's always, you know, try

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to punch and hold. You can box beautifully and still

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make it, you know, pleasing for those of us who

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are watching. Yep. But it's a very interesting fight and

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there's a lot of stake because if he loses, Haney,

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a lot of people are just gonna and it's not fair.

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They'll just say he's a total fucking fraud. And uh,

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you know, if Norman.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, who with any brains would

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say that he's a fraud.

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Speaker 1: In boxing Twitter?

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Speaker 2: Boxing Twitter is full of morons than savages that don't

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know what they're talking about. We've known this for years.

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What I'm saying is the guy was undisputed at one

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thirty five. The guy won a world title at one forty.

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You're not against quality fighters. You're not a fraud if

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you do that. Maybe he's mistaken in trying to move

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up to one forty seven. And that's what we're about

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to find out. That's the intrigue on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Attitude is that you know that he thinks he'll be

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better that he has for years struggled to make thirty five.

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He was never easy for him to make one forty.

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I'm not saying it's easy, but you know, maybe at

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this point of his life and career, it's time to

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be in a bigger weight class. And Norman, by all

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accounts no issues making the weight. You know, he's right

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there where he should be. He's going to be the

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bigger man. And uh, the thing that that and we'll

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talk about the other fights I was, but overall the

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results of what happened in this fight and every every

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boxing event, the results impact you know, people's thoughts about

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where guys are, where they went up, future fights and

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all that. But because of the the level of the

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fights on this show, every single fight is going to

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have I think, like dramatic impact on the on how

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people look at certain weight classes. Keep in mind, on

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these four fights that we're talking about, these guys are

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a combined like one hundred and ninety three and three

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and the three all belong to Anthony Art.

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Speaker 2: I did not I did not realize that that's true.

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Speaker 1: On Uh, yeah, no that is. I mean you have

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one hundred ninety three wins by seven of the fighters

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and three losses by Anthony Art. Wow, so all right,

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loss are about to go all right?

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Speaker 2: So again that's the co feature fight then, but wait,

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there's more. We waved down. We moved down from that,

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and this may be the most underrated, least talked about

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fight of this card, I think. And that's Jesse Bam

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Rodriguez and Fernando Puma Martinez for the three Junior banhamweight

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world titles WBCWBO, w B. Yeah, you'll straighten me out

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on who has which ones. BAM's got two of them.

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So again, I am maybe as intrigue, if not the

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most intrigued by this fight, the third fight on the

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down on the list here that we're previewing.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, listen. It's a tremendous battle and it would

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headline anybody else's show, no doubt about it. But Turkey

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is spending the money and they're putting it on this show.

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I kind of wish it was its own fight, on

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its own car, because it would have got a lot

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more attention. You know, some of these guys haven't been

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the easiest to get a hold of in terms of

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do interviews with It's been difficult. Bam is even there

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even this week. Understandably hasn't been as available for folks

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that are in Saudi Arabia as he would have been.

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As they made the point when they were doing the

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grand they were doing the open workout, what that was,

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I guess like Wednesday, Yes, Bam is in Saudi Arabia.

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His wife is in labor. He was watching on FaceTime

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she was giving birth to their child.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I know, I knew she had had the baby,

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but I thought it was before he had left realize

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that it was. It was in the last day or two.

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Speaker 1: It was it was literally yesterday that she came at

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I guess. So, you know, he did what he had

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to do. I mean, you never want to miss the

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birth of your kid, but obviously for their their future

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life to go and have this very significant fight and

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earn you know, probably multimillions of dollars to do, so

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you got to do what you got to do. Keep

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in mind, by the way, he was also in training

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camp in the latter stages of her pregnancy, so they

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were not you know, he was not necessarily around on

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a moment by moment basis while she was going through

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the pregnancy. So you know, that's a sacrifice, but obviously

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for reasons that are important to make sure you have

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your family financially set up. Not to mention what he

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can achieve if he wins the fight to become now

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a three bell champion. If you go back to earlier

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this year, you know, he had a tremendous performance against

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Fumalaylei Cafu, who he defeated by a tenth round knockout.

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That was back in July to unify two with the belts.

471
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:58,200
That was a WBC and a WBO unification fight. Now

472
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,079
he takes on the very difficult, very able, very solid

473
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:07,119
legit Fernando Martinez, who had two big wins against Ioka.

474
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,000
The first one was a unification fight, but then because

475
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:13,079
of mandatory reasons, he ended up giving up one of

476
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,960
the belts and only fought for the WBA and the

477
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:21,839
other one. But I dare say, if Jesse Bam Rodriguez

478
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,319
wins this fight and his schedule for twenty twenty five

479
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,039
means he won by knockout against Cafua unified two titles,

480
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:31,759
and if he were to beat Fernando Martinez, however, he

481
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:34,240
beats him and he unifies three titles. Presuming there's not

482
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,440
a huge controversy. I think you're looking at a guy

483
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:39,319
that's going to be in the top tier of candidates

484
00:23:39,319 --> 00:23:41,000
for the Fighter of the Year, because if you look

485
00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:44,279
down the list of other fighters, there's not a lot

486
00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:46,519
of the elites that fought more than once unfortunately, like

487
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:50,839
USIG time against Jujua. For example, Terence Crawford will get

488
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:52,960
a lot of attention even though he only had the

489
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,920
one fight, but it was a huge, huge victory against

490
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,880
Canelo Alvarez. But if you go down the list of

491
00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:01,480
other can the dates. Let's say there's not a lot.

492
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,680
This is one of the weakest years of to me

493
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,319
anyway to pick from, so he's got a chance to

494
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:07,920
do that. Also, I'm not I don't think he's thinking

495
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,559
about that. He wants to win the fight and obviously

496
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,799
get the other belt, but it's a tremendous matchup. I mean,

497
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,960
Bam Rodriguez is a is a pound for pound caliber guy.

498
00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:18,200
Obviously he's been talking about he wants this fight. He

499
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,880
wants if he wins, to unify and become undisputed in

500
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,960
his next fight, and then he's going to move up

501
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,759
to junior Banham weight, which obviously I mean to junior

502
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:27,920
federally rather which puts him in the same weight class

503
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,960
within a way, and with the fight I would love

504
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:31,480
to see more than anything in life as him and

505
00:24:31,519 --> 00:24:32,599
Na Katani.

506
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,279
Speaker 2: Right right, You've been talking about that is can't the

507
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,400
argument be made Bam Rodriguez is the best American smaller

508
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,480
weight fighter the last two or three years of the sport.

509
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,359
I don't know who else it would be if it's

510
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,319
not him, with all the accomplishments I'm talking about, like

511
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:48,039
twenty twenty two, twenty three, twenty four to twenty five.

512
00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:50,000
This is the guy. This is the guy here.

513
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not even sure who the other Who are

514
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:52,400
the other candidates?

515
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that there is one.

516
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 1: So you stay smaller, you mean like featherweight and below.

517
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,079
Speaker 2: Yes, the smaller weight fighters. He would be the guy

518
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,599
right now fighting around the range of one fifteen one,

519
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,000
eighteen one, twenty two whatever. And you know he's talented

520
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,000
and he can paunch.

521
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 1: I would tell you that dam Radriez to me anyway.

522
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:11,920
And again it's not you know, his career is not over,

523
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,160
so you can't really know for sure just yet. But

524
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,640
he's on what I think is fair to say is

525
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,119
a Hall of fame trajectory. The guy has already won

526
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,200
titles in multiple weight classes. He's you know, he's already

527
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,160
unified in this weight class. He is, uh, you know,

528
00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:29,200
there's nothing to not like. He's got lots of nice

529
00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:31,640
wins in terms of names on his record. He you know,

530
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,839
granted they were slightly older, but he's beaten guys like

531
00:25:34,079 --> 00:25:38,519
Sir Rungby Si and Carlos Quadras, very respected former champions. Uh.

532
00:25:38,599 --> 00:25:41,599
He had he took the undefeated a record away in

533
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,519
devastating fashion. Uh, in a unification fight at flyweight against

534
00:25:45,559 --> 00:25:49,000
Sonny Edwards. He then has a knockout victory in a

535
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,400
in an excellent battle against a future Hall of Famer

536
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,839
in one Francisco Estrada. That was a huge win that

537
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,799
took place last year. I mean, you know, spectacle and

538
00:25:56,799 --> 00:25:59,079
even though like let's say he fights Pedro Guivara, who

539
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,240
was a mandatory because it was he had the interim

540
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:03,680
title on Bam had a full title. Okay, maybe not

541
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,279
a huge name, but a spectacular knockout and even Kafu undefeated,

542
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:10,640
a guy who had gone overseas and won his title,

543
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,119
had the bravery and the stones to come and fight

544
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,160
Bam in Texas where Bam is from, and put up

545
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:19,920
a good fight and got knocked out. Like Bam is

546
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,000
fashioning a superior resume, uh and doing in a variety

547
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,599
of weight classes, and he's not done yet. I mean,

548
00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:29,000
this is not a guy who's close to the end

549
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,119
of his career, does tej. He is twenty five years old,

550
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,799
you know, and I granted the younger i mean smaller

551
00:26:34,799 --> 00:26:38,319
weight fighters maybe age more quickly because of the strain

552
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,200
of making weight and that sort of thing, but he

553
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:43,640
should have He hasn't taken a ton of punishment. If

554
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,839
he's got the hunger and the desire, he should have

555
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,680
still at least another several you know, five years. You know,

556
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,920
in this time, yes, the top I would think yes.

557
00:26:53,559 --> 00:26:56,400
So that's a this is a big moment and a

558
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,799
great opportunity. Now Martinez is undefeated. Also, he's eighteen and

559
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:02,319
zero with nine knockouts. He's coming off the back to

560
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,279
back victories against Kazuto Ioka. Their July twenty twenty four

561
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,319
fight was a legit fight of the year candidate was spectacular.

562
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,839
That was a unification fight. He won, and then, of course,

563
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,039
you know, we told him that what happened with having

564
00:27:16,039 --> 00:27:17,319
to give up one of those titles because of the

565
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:20,079
mandatory situation, he opted to do a much more lucrative

566
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:22,920
rematch against Ioka and defend the WBA belt that he

567
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,880
had won, rather than, you know, take on a mandatory

568
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,319
that was going to be for a fraction of the money.

569
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,279
But he went out there and even though it wasn't

570
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:31,079
maybe as good of a fight, he still won the fight.

571
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,599
It wasn't it wasn't there was it was competitive, but

572
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:35,759
he won. And Ioka has been a hell of a

573
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:37,920
fighter for a long long time. He's a borderline in

574
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,160
my mind, a borderline Hall of Fame candidate. And now

575
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,440
he was going in to fight by Rodriguez. So and

576
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,799
by the way, before he fought Ioka, he had had

577
00:27:44,799 --> 00:27:48,880
two victories, good victories against jerwy Akas in title fights,

578
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,359
though those were at least one of them was on showtime.

579
00:27:51,759 --> 00:27:55,079
So this is a legit fight. This is like the sleeper.

580
00:27:55,519 --> 00:27:58,119
I think this could be action packed. I think this

581
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,440
could be terrific. Like I'll make sure. I mean, I'm

582
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,440
gonna watch the whole card obviously, but I'm definitely focusing

583
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,880
it on that one. Like, I think this has a

584
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,279
chance to steal the show.

585
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 2: Again, you haven't heard a lot of buzz about it. Again,

586
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,920
it's over in Saudi Arabia, etc. But I'm with you,

587
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,559
this may be the best fight on the card, and

588
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:14,279
they're not paying us to say that. This one could

589
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,000
be it Bam Rodriguez and Fernando Puma Martinez from Argentina.

590
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:20,640
Let's see what happens on that one and one more

591
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,599
four world title fights. You did talk recently to Abdullah

592
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,720
Mason again. The interview is on this podcast feed. The

593
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:29,599
video of the interview is also on the Big Fight

594
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:33,359
Weekend YouTube page. Huge moment for the Cleveland, Ohio native,

595
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,599
as he will now fight England Sam Noakes, who's also

596
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,039
undefeated and on the rise. This is an intriguing fight

597
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,279
that gets the four fights of this card really underway.

598
00:28:44,359 --> 00:28:47,079
Four title fights of this card underway. Let's have some

599
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:47,599
more on that.

600
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,279
Speaker 1: Another good matchup. Now. It's unfortunate that it's happening, and

601
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:56,759
I don't mean because of anything negative about either Sam

602
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:59,119
Noakes or Abdulla Mason, but the reality is it's happening

603
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:04,319
because Keishaan Davis, who was the WBO lightweight champion, came

604
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,359
to a hometown fight against Edwin de los Santos and

605
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,119
as my good friend TJ. Reeves said, he missed weight

606
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:11,960
by like four exits on the highway.

607
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:12,599
Speaker 2: Yes he did.

608
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: I mean he was like over four pounds overweight, and

609
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,400
the fight got canceled. He got shoot to the title.

610
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,240
It was a hold, and then there was all the

611
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:23,400
mess that happened afterwards, as far as like fighting in

612
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,119
the bowels of the arena, getting kicked out of the

613
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,279
arena and his hometown a very embarrassing situation. Really has

614
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,720
had his career in a complete shambles at the moment.

615
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,799
Because of that, that night, Abdullah Mason was the co feature,

616
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,640
he got bumped up to the main event. He won

617
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,759
his fight, he was already one of the top ranked

618
00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,920
WBO contender. Sam Noaks was the same, and so when

619
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,359
the title became vacant, this was the master was ordered

620
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,440
and now it's happening for that vacant title. So Abdulla

621
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,839
Mason is nineteen and ohero with seventeen knockouts. A lot

622
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,160
of people have had him over the last couple of

623
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,759
years prospect of the year. He's only twenty one years old,

624
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,240
and if you listen to the interview or watch the

625
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,599
interview on our YouTube channel that I conducted with him,

626
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,839
you wouldn't think he's twenty one years old. He comes

627
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,680
across as a much much more or young man than that,

628
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:10,079
very poised, very well thoughtful with his responses, and and

629
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,680
he's got a really good, tight knit team around him

630
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,920
with his father and his brothers. There's not a lot

631
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,000
of entourage, like he's really focused on his career and

632
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:21,160
he doesn't have a lot of outside distractions, it doesn't

633
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,759
seem and so this is a big moment for him

634
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,880
in terms of Sam Oaks, who's a lot older at

635
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,839
age twenty eight, but started, you know, a little bit

636
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,440
later than than Abdulla Mason did seventeen and oher with

637
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,240
fifteen knockouts. And if you take a look at their records,

638
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,680
Abdulla Mason has beaten the types of guys that he

639
00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,519
had to beat in terms of fighting here in America,

640
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,759
and if you look at the Sam Noaks resume, he's

641
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:46,079
kind of fought similar type of guys but in the UK.

642
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,519
So they're both going into this fight still kind of

643
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:53,480
not not finished. Products don't have a big win so

644
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,559
to speak, to hang their hat on, but on paper,

645
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,759
matches up like a good, good matchup. We shall see.

646
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:06,119
I feel like that for one punch that they both

647
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,000
carry power, but the speed advantage one hundred percent is

648
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,319
going to be in favor and obviously the youth advantage

649
00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:14,920
in terms of seven year age difference for Abdullah Mason.

650
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:19,480
One tidbit is if Abdullah Mason wins this fight, he

651
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,359
will supplant Brian Norman at age twenty four. And because

652
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,160
Abdulla is or rather i'm sorry, Xander's Ace who was

653
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,680
twenty three, he was twenty two when he won the title,

654
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,279
but Mason would become the youngest reigning male world champion

655
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:37,039
in boxing today. That is, you know, pool to a plish,

656
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,119
and he has high hopes for that. This should be

657
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,039
another good fight. I mean, the matchups are good. I

658
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:43,759
can tell you one thing. There are definitely people that

659
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,039
I know who are on team Mason that were a

660
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,160
little they are a little nervous about this.

661
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,799
Speaker 2: Fight interesting and they should be because again there's some

662
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,519
unknown variables for both guys here on what happens when

663
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:57,160
you get in this level of competition. Who handles the

664
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,799
whole thing with this week, with the time difference and

665
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:01,960
the travel, etc.

666
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: Let's talk about that for a minute.

667
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it is definitely for the American fighters for sure,

668
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:07,759
trying to get acclimateed. Go ahead.

669
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: So okay, so this is at the Zone pay per

670
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:12,519
view and the pay per view and then I want

671
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:13,759
everybody to listen to this, and I'm gonna get a

672
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:16,240
thousands of fucking questions I'm sure on social media over

673
00:32:16,279 --> 00:32:19,640
the next couple of days about it. There there are

674
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,759
more fights on the show than just these four title fights.

675
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:23,960
There's like Vito mil Nikki is in a ten rounder,

676
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,119
and there's some other prospect the types in Muhammad Ala Khalal,

677
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,559
the Saudi Arabian fighter that's a favorite of Turkey Al

678
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:33,559
Sheikh's and so they have a bunch of fights on

679
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:35,640
the show. They're all on the pay per view. It

680
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,119
starts at three pm Eastern Time. Three pm Eastern time,

681
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:42,720
obviously it is much later in the evening comes Saudi

682
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,519
Arabia time, which is eight hours ahead of the East Coast,

683
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,200
as we already discussed in your travel plans, So the

684
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,000
main event of the show, Benavide's against Yard, is not

685
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,119
scheduled to start in Saudi Arabia. It'll be about five

686
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,720
o'clock in the morning, so and if you back it out,

687
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:00,720
the co feature will be around four o'clock in the morning,

688
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,599
and so on and so forth. So these guys who

689
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,359
are all American based other than Yard are going to

690
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,440
be fighting. And Puma is from UH Sergeant America but

691
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,079
similar at the time zones is what would be here

692
00:33:12,079 --> 00:33:15,279
in America UH and Noaks of course being from the UK.

693
00:33:15,359 --> 00:33:17,839
But they're all on wacky times that they're going to

694
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,039
be fighting at. So that's a big adjustment. So these guys,

695
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:22,920
like Benavidez told me an hour interview. You can see

696
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,880
it on the YouTube pages. As we discussed talking about

697
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,920
getting there. He trained for the last three weeks of

698
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:30,640
the camp, or to let you three of the last

699
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,079
three weeks at the camp in Dubai before he went

700
00:33:33,119 --> 00:33:35,440
to Riad, which is roughly the same time zone, I think.

701
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:37,960
And so he's been adjusting all along and trying to,

702
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,279
you know, do his workouts and crazy times at night

703
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,640
just to keep his body, you know, on the same

704
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,200
time clock where he's going to be fighting for the

705
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,000
real fight. Why would you want to train at three

706
00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:49,799
o'clock in the afternoon for weeks leading up to a fight,

707
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,960
just on fight night to fight at five o'clock exactly.

708
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 2: And Canelo talked about this openly about and he get

709
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:56,920
it in the interview with you, about how weird it

710
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,200
was and how it did bother him that he was

711
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,279
fighting that early in the morning on Sunday morning in

712
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:04,440
Saudi Arabia when you had the awful fight with Skull

713
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,960
back earlier this year. So to say to just dismiss

714
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,199
this as not being a factor, it obviously can be

715
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,519
a fact that it will be.

716
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:16,760
Speaker 1: No I think that that the fighters who handle that aspect,

717
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,039
I mean, it's hard enough to get ready for a

718
00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:19,800
fight with making weight and making sure you eat the

719
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,599
right things, and you're trained and you're mentally prepared in

720
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,239
all the different things. Now you've traveled to Saudi Arabia

721
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,840
and even that, okay, you get over the jet lag

722
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,039
and all that, and you're a much different atmosphere than

723
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,039
you're used to being in. And oh, by the way,

724
00:34:31,079 --> 00:34:32,880
you're not going to fight at like eleven o'clock at

725
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,920
night like you're used to. You're gonna fight at five

726
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,960
o'clock or four o'clock or three o'clock or two o'clock

727
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,000
in the morning. So one hundred percent that has to

728
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,360
be factored in. So the guys who handle that and

729
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,639
whose teams prepare them the best to do that, are

730
00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:48,199
are going to help themselves dramatically in my mind. So

731
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,360
you always remember that, you know, you or I are

732
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,559
here at America and I'm watching the fight at the

733
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,239
Benavidias fight supposed to be a walk into the ring

734
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:00,800
approximately nine pm Eastern time, or the Cole feature for

735
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,199
approximately eight o'clock Eastern time. Then, like we were talking

736
00:35:03,199 --> 00:35:07,679
about West Coast even earlier, keep in mind that for

737
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,320
the guys in the ring, it's fucking the middle of.

738
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,679
Speaker 2: The night when normally right almost early morning whatever.

739
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: Whether you want on the East coast or the west coast,

740
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,639
you know. So, uh, just to reiterate three o'clock for

741
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,280
the whole event it will start, and then the main

742
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,039
event approximately nine pm Eastern time, where it will be

743
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:24,760
five o'clock in the morning in Saudi Arabia.

744
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: Brought right, So we gave you a bunch obviously on that,

745
00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,920
all right, some news we left off the weekend. And

746
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,199
one of the things that I said, kind of in passing,

747
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,960
are we going to get an official announcement? Here we

748
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:40,760
go on Jake Paul and Anthony Joshua, and we did

749
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,360
get the official announcement Monday morning, bright and early. Ray

750
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,880
Fields texting me, Hey, they gave you your announcement. You

751
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,480
were asking for a yes, all right, so now they're

752
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:50,880
gonna have it.

753
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 1: You're making threats. You're making threats. I was saying, announce

754
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:55,559
the better announced it.

755
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,199
Speaker 2: I was saying, they better announced it, or it was

756
00:35:57,199 --> 00:35:59,440
saying to me they're negotiating with somebody else and trying

757
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,800
to smoke them out on the price. So apparently this

758
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,719
is legit, I say, Apparently we'll get to it in

759
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,480
a moment. What my theories are. They're having a press

760
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:10,960
conference on Friday afternoon as we released this Thursday night

761
00:36:11,039 --> 00:36:13,880
into Friday morning, Friday afternoon in Miami. Now, the one

762
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,840
thing I ask of you is do we know if

763
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,760
Anthony Joshua is in the United States? And is he

764
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,280
physically going to be there or is he virtually on

765
00:36:23,519 --> 00:36:26,199
video going to be there for this press conference in Miami.

766
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,360
I don't know that answer. Go ahead, no, I'm told

767
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,880
he's going to be there. And as a matter of fact,

768
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,079
some of the matchroom people like Eddie Hearn and Frank Smith,

769
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,800
they are there in the States. They're going to the

770
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,639
They're going to be there, one hundred percent, will be there,

771
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,400
all right. So he crazy travel snaff so he will.

772
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:45,119
And I mean we've seen some of these where they

773
00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:49,119
have the transcontinental video hookup, whether the fighters fighting in Australia.

774
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,280
And again I was there and went through the whole

775
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,440
charade with Tommy Fury, with Jake Paul Uh sitting in

776
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,079
Tampa for the fight, the rematch that they were supposed

777
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:02,760
to have and Uh, Tommy Fury was on video with

778
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,559
Tyson Fury and the video kept freezing up. So I've

779
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,760
I've been to these where it's been virtual. That's why

780
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,239
I was asking they both gonna be.

781
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,599
Speaker 1: The literal for the literal tens of millions of dollars

782
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,800
that he's gonna make in this fight. Yeah, he's gonna, Uh,

783
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:18,519
he's gonna he's gonna show up again, aguin lets. It's

784
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:20,800
going in a dramatics nephew of the travel, but but

785
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,119
putting that aside, so they'll do the press covers. It's

786
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:24,880
gonna be at the arena where the fight's taking place.

787
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,920
The fight is scheduled, uh for Uh, it's gonna well,

788
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,880
remember he was supposed to fight Tank Davis what November fourteenth,

789
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,679
we know what happened there where he Uh, Tank was

790
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,440
dropped from the fight because of yet another allegation of

791
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,280
domestic violence. So they they rescheduled uh and got a

792
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,679
new opponent for Jake Paul and uh, this is what

793
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,159
we're doing. We're doing We're doing this, We're doing this fight.

794
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,119
So it's gonna be its same location, by the way,

795
00:37:49,119 --> 00:37:51,079
where the Tank fight was supposed to be, which is

796
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,199
the uh what is it the Kessia Center in.

797
00:37:53,519 --> 00:37:56,159
Speaker 2: It's like Miami Heats Arena, the downtown arena. That's the

798
00:37:56,159 --> 00:38:00,639
new sponsor name. Well, it has had two or three

799
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,480
different names. Uh, okay. So the only thing I'm saying is.

800
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,199
Speaker 1: By the way, it's taking place on December nineteenth.

801
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: On Friday night. We still have a month to get there.

802
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,559
And forgive me if I'm not dubious that we've seen

803
00:38:14,639 --> 00:38:20,679
some of these Jake Paul things go. Well, I'm sorry,

804
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,719
I'm sorry, you're now you're now going to get the list.

805
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,559
The Tommy Fury fight never happened here.

806
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:28,079
Speaker 1: A, I don't understand what ago, but let's talk about

807
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:29,840
on schedule. No, it was.

808
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: It was injury. Yes, so it got it got screwy

809
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,199
around that the Hassim Rockmand disaster where he couldn't figure

810
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,280
out would I had to call that off? Do not

811
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:44,119
act like when I haven't lived this with you. Don't

812
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,480
don't act like that I haven't lived this.

813
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:48,639
Speaker 1: But every single fight in the history that we cover,

814
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:52,719
anything can happen. There's no reason that just to single

815
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,000
this one out because you have some hang up about

816
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:56,679
Jake Paul. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

817
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,159
Speaker 2: Okay, again, there are four different instances since the end

818
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:03,280
of twenty twenty one where he tried to make a

819
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:07,119
fight and it didn't happen, even on short notice. All

820
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,880
I am saying is, don't be surprised if something screwy

821
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,519
happens to fight. We got plenty of time to talk

822
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:17,079
about it. We got plenty of times talking you. But

823
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,360
you and I both believe the same thing. If this

824
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,440
comes off, Anthony Joshua was gonna come across the ring

825
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:25,559
and look out because Jake Paul's not been in the

826
00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,119
ring anything like that or anything that big.

827
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,079
Speaker 1: That's also clarify. It's an official, actual fight understandard normal boxing.

828
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:36,000
There's no tweaks that I'm aware of at all. This

829
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,320
is a eight round schedule fight, but three minute rounds.

830
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,880
It's going to be normal heavyweight ten ounce gloves, not

831
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,440
like in the Tyson fight where they used larger gloves

832
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,679
and a shorter you know, rounds were two minutes and

833
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,039
not three. It's not an exhibition. Anthony Joshua, you know,

834
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,079
was training for a fight and the thing that was

835
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,360
important and people should understand this. It's not like Anthony

836
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,920
just took this on a month's notice. He's been in

837
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,639
the gym after the elbow surgery, been rehabb't been getting

838
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:03,719
ready for a fight. That him and his team and

839
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,239
Eddie Hearn specifically have talked about ad nauseum that he

840
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,280
would probably fight before the end of this year. It's

841
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,639
just a matter of which card he was going to

842
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,159
fight it now. My reporting was that he before this

843
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,159
fight between he and Jake was finalized, they were preparing

844
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,760
to slide him in on the Quiet to fight on

845
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,639
the card in Saudi Arabia on Saturday against the journeyman

846
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,039
ish heavyweight cash Is Cheney from Connecticut. That was done

847
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,639
and he was going to appear on that show just

848
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,920
to get in the couple of rounds or whatever, shake

849
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:34,079
off the rust and see how the elbow was before

850
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,320
what Turkey went on his own during an interview on

851
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,159
a recent show and talked about this was during the

852
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,840
Connor ben U Bank event, and he has, as Turkey said,

853
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,639
we have big plans for Joshua a fight in my country,

854
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:48,800
meeting Saudi Arabia in February, followed by a big fight,

855
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,079
as he said, the biggest fight in boxing or the

856
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:55,159
biggest fight in boxing history or some you know declaration,

857
00:40:56,360 --> 00:41:00,719
clearly talking about in September, but clearly talked about making

858
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:04,519
Joshua against Tyson Fury and so instead of doing a

859
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,079
a nothing fight against Kasha Cheney for obviously what would

860
00:41:08,199 --> 00:41:10,719
be a much smaller amount of money, not the main event,

861
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:12,679
just kind of slide him on the show, kind of

862
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,559
like they we're gonna stack Arthur better be I'm gonna

863
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,960
stay busy fight on this card. Before that fell apart,

864
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,480
but he got, I guess, a manimal offer and able

865
00:41:20,519 --> 00:41:22,039
to work things out for the Jake Paul to get

866
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,360
that done. So you know what, if you're Anthony Joshua,

867
00:41:24,679 --> 00:41:28,280
I'd rather fight Jake Paul in a easy ish type

868
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,920
win obviously then fight cash As Cheney and by the way,

869
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:35,280
make literally tens of millions of dollars more to fight

870
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:36,000
Jake Paul.

871
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 2: And the man fold less at least.

872
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think I don't know the exact numbers,

873
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,719
but I dare say Joshua's probably gonna pocket around at

874
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,079
least thirty million dollars for this endeavor. So why wouldn't

875
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:47,920
you do that? And by the way, he is a

876
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,800
two hundred and fifty pound man. There's been rumors I

877
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,480
have not heard specifically that this is true, but there

878
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,119
are a lot of quote unquote reporting that that he

879
00:41:57,199 --> 00:41:59,480
can't weigh more than two forty five. But that's like

880
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:03,280
given to an Eskimo. I mean his entire career, he's

881
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,199
only been above two forty five a few times.

882
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been two fifty or more of the last

883
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,280
three fights, but he was like two fifty one when

884
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,519
he got knocked out by Dubois. So they'll clarify the

885
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,960
weight thing at the press conference when they're talking about it, I'm.

886
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 1: Sure, necessarily. But the point is, even if it is

887
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,079
a two forty five weight, as somebody said to me,

888
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:21,000
so Anthony Joshua will be in a little better shape.

889
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,280
Five hardyweight that generally fights at two fifty is not

890
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,800
a big deal, So that would be the only thing

891
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,519
that'll be different. And then you know, Anthony Joshua by

892
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:32,199
all rights should get him out of there if he

893
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,760
presses on it. You're talking one or two rounds.

894
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,199
Speaker 2: To be honest, we got plenty of time to go

895
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,559
over the fight. But again, catch the press conference. What's

896
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:42,960
interesting in our timeline, you and I will be doing

897
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:47,239
the live bet Us TV boxing show while that press

898
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,519
conference is taking place if it comes off on time

899
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,039
at one Eastern time, so I will have to monitor

900
00:42:52,119 --> 00:42:54,559
both just in case somebody does a Jerry Springer show

901
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:57,719
and picks up a chair or does whatever which you've

902
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,639
been going before too. Stay tuned, stay tuned for that.

903
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,480
All right, a couple of other news items because we've

904
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,400
been here for a few moments. All Right, Ryan Garcia,

905
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:10,000
you've told us previously that the talks and negotiations are

906
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,719
going on. Is he gonna fight Mario Barrios for the

907
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,639
WBC Welterweight Championship. Well, Garcia has spoken up. What is

908
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:18,159
the latest?

909
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,039
Speaker 1: So he went on his social media and he posted

910
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:24,079
a video of him signing a contract. You know, he

911
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:27,159
didn't show us what the contract exactly was, but he signed.

912
00:43:27,199 --> 00:43:29,320
Apparently he signed about agreement or done what he's got

913
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,599
to do. But so okay, so yes, the Barrios fight

914
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:36,000
has been in the process of being made. He was

915
00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:38,960
one of the fighters that was contacted by Jake Paul's

916
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
team about the prospect of taking this fight in December. Obviously,

917
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,880
they were far down the road on the Barrios fight.

918
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,840
So as people in Vassy, it's going to happen, but

919
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,800
it's not done yet because even though even though Ryan

920
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,280
may have signed something, there's still lots of other things

921
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,760
that need to get done before it's official official. So

922
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,800
number one, it's supposed to be February twenty first of

923
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,320
it happens, it'll take place in Las Vegas. Where specifically

924
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:07,800
in Vegas apparently not determined. And PBC and them Barrios people,

925
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,679
I am told they're all good to go, they're ready

926
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,800
to do it. They can't wait for this fight. Their

927
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,840
stuff is done. But you've got still issues between Golden

928
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,800
Boy and Ryan, which there's always issues between Golden Boy

929
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,559
and Ryan. Golden Boy contends that they still have multiple

930
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,960
fights remaining on their contract with Ryan. Ryan and his

931
00:44:25,079 --> 00:44:27,320
team say no, this is our last fight, so they're

932
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:31,400
trying to memorialize specifically what we have left and getting

933
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,079
that all done. And they still have to do the

934
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:38,159
provision of services agreement and finalize that between Golden Boy

935
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:43,039
and Ryan Garcia because of you. Because Golden Boy, I

936
00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,559
guess will be the so called lead promoter of the event,

937
00:44:46,679 --> 00:44:48,159
and I guess it will be available though on pay

938
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:51,760
per view via de Zone and or Prime Video. But

939
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,800
the point I'm making is there's still things that have

940
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,880
to be not necessarily negotiated, at least in terms of

941
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719
not the stuff related to Golden Boy and Ryan, but

942
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,000
between PBC.

943
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:05,159
Speaker 2: We need some clarity and there's not usually a lot

944
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,320
of clarity around Ryan Garcia, so we got to get

945
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,559
somebody else to help clarify it.

946
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Point is, as I say all the time boxing events,

947
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,400
you've got to sign. You got to make your deal

948
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,480
with your promoter, and the two promoters got to get

949
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,159
their deal. There's got to be the broadcast deals got

950
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,760
to get work that there's varying stages before it fight's done.

951
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,760
So here's the bottom line. If you saw Ryan Garcia's

952
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,880
video and you say, oh, the fight's done, No, not quite.

953
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,199
There's still lots of other people.

954
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: I like how you put it. He signs something we

955
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,280
don't know what and it doesn't mean that.

956
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: But that point is the fight is likely going to

957
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,880
take place. He will challenge Barrios for the WBC welterweight title.

958
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,000
And by the way, a critical factor in that was

959
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:43,400
what we discussed recently, that the WBC lifted the band

960
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,159
that they had of having Ryan in their ratings and

961
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,719
being eligible for their fights. That dated back from when

962
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,760
he went on that ridiculous hate filled speech on one

963
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,719
of his social media things, ranting against the black people

964
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:56,920
and against Muslims and saying a lot of terrible things

965
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,480
frankly that should not be forgotten by.

966
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 2: Too heavy items. Okay, since you and I were here last,

967
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,239
Alexander Usik did vacate the WBO portion of the heavyweight championship,

968
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,559
and the WBO immediately elevated Fabio Wardley, who pulled the

969
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,119
upset of the interim champ Joseph Parker back a couple

970
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:18,400
of weeks ago. Now what four weeks ago? Now? All right,

971
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:21,800
so give me you've done some reporting on this as

972
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:25,519
well as the week has gone on. Does this necessarily

973
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,519
mean that Usik and Wardley aren't gonna fight next anyway?

974
00:46:29,039 --> 00:46:31,000
Or what does it mean? What are you finding out?

975
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: No, they're definitely not fighting next. If he wanted to

976
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,519
fin next, he would have vacated the title. So this

977
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:38,599
is now the second time that Usik has been an

978
00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:41,760
undisputed heavyweight champion and given up that status. But the

979
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,719
difference between the first time and the second time is

980
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,440
it remember before the when he did it the first time,

981
00:46:47,159 --> 00:46:49,639
it was because he was signed an obligated to do

982
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,159
the contractual rematch for wild amounts of money against Tyson Fury,

983
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,920
So of course he went through with that rather than

984
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,719
go and fight I believe it was Philip Ergovich at

985
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,159
that time, so they allowed Dubois and Argovich of for

986
00:47:00,199 --> 00:47:02,320
the interim title, So he gave up the IDF title

987
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,159
and he lost that status as on disputed. We all

988
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,199
know he's the real champ, we all know he's the

989
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,400
lineal champ. But if you're into the undisputed aspect with

990
00:47:09,559 --> 00:47:12,199
the belts, it is just a fact. Now in this

991
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,159
particular instance, he is not encumbered by any rematch clauses

992
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,079
or anything other than a mandatory to the WBO, which

993
00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:21,800
is next up in the rotation system. And to my

994
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,480
way of thinking, as it turned out, the Worldly fight

995
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:26,079
seemed to be a good fight because I feel like

996
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:27,719
he could make a lot of money in that fight.

997
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,559
It'd be a big event. Worthley's a fresh face, a

998
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,039
good name on the scene, with a good record and

999
00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:37,199
a growing fan base, and a fight where he'd still

1000
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:38,880
probably favorite Lusk to win the fight, and if he

1001
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,880
wants to continue to be undisputed, that would be the fight.

1002
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,360
And on top of that, there wasn't like some other

1003
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,840
fight in the division that I looked at and said, well,

1004
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,320
that's a much bigger fight. That's the fight that the

1005
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:51,400
fans are demanding that type of thing, Like, who are

1006
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,719
they demanding Lusik to fight? He already beat Theory twice.

1007
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,119
He already beat Joshua twice. He already beat Dubai twice

1008
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,960
by knockout. You know. And if you go down the line,

1009
00:48:00,199 --> 00:48:02,239
like I mean, is it Deontay Wilder fight a big

1010
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,079
fight comparatively?

1011
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 2: No?

1012
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,679
Speaker 1: You know, he's basically near the end. If you go,

1013
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:09,679
you know, is he if he were to fight a G. Cabiel,

1014
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:11,719
is that a bigger fight? Absolutely not, even though he's

1015
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,519
a worthy contender. My point is of what's there? It

1016
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,159
felt like this was the fight that could happen, but

1017
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:19,599
he obviously thought otherwise. His team says, we have a plan,

1018
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:23,199
and they gave up the title. So Wardley gets elevated,

1019
00:48:23,679 --> 00:48:25,519
and so now it's a matter of, Okay, who does

1020
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:29,239
Wordley fight next? If you look in the rankings, Moses

1021
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:33,440
Tama is the number one contender that would be next up.

1022
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,400
I don't think that fight will happen. They're both with

1023
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,760
Frank Warren. Obviously, Frank is looking to keep as much

1024
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:44,440
of the heavyweight title picture under Queensberry control, you know,

1025
00:48:44,599 --> 00:48:46,719
and he's got his tentacles and all the different organization

1026
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:49,079
with his contenders, because Frank does have the best group

1027
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:51,400
of heavyweights out there other than he doesn't have Usik.

1028
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:55,880
But the problem with making a Toma against Wardley is

1029
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,079
they're both trained by Ben Davis. He talked about that

1030
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:00,360
would be a pretty signific think this.

1031
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,599
Speaker 2: Let's just say this, and Toma is not ready for

1032
00:49:02,679 --> 00:49:06,239
Alexander Usik. A Toama needs another fight or two to

1033
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:07,719
show something he's not ready to be in.

1034
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,599
Speaker 1: Would be ready for Fabio Wardley.

1035
00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:12,199
Speaker 2: Yes, but as you just said, there's a roadblock there.

1036
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,559
They're trained by the same guy who knows who knows? Uh.

1037
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:19,079
Speaker 1: THEO good thing is Usik says he's continuing to fight,

1038
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:21,119
as he made that statement a few weeks ago. I'm gonna.

1039
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,320
I'm definitely fighting next year. I'm fighting till I'm forty

1040
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,320
one years old. I mean, we'll see you. I don't

1041
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,000
think things have changed in the last a month or so, so, uh,

1042
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,599
we shall see. It's I'm a little disappointed. I thought

1043
00:49:30,599 --> 00:49:32,880
he was sick. Would honor the mandatory and uh and

1044
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,400
make a big event with Wardley. It would be a

1045
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:34,760
good fight.

1046
00:49:35,519 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 2: Not gonna happen. Stick with the heavyweights. I know you've

1047
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,519
been busy Thursday afternoon before you and I started recording,

1048
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,079
because the Daniel Dubois Frank Sanchez purse bid was supposed

1049
00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:48,559
to happen. And is Frank Sanchez gonna maybe be a

1050
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:51,440
name come on for for Usik? Probably not, but the

1051
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,960
Dublis Sanchez fight is now not happening.

1052
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: Explain more so, that was ordered to be the eliminator

1053
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:01,880
for the IBF to become the Inventory Challenger. And it's

1054
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,400
not the first time people say, well, how can do

1055
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,159
bab be in that position? You just got knocked out

1056
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,960
by Joshua I mean, not by Joshua, by Whosick. You're

1057
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,840
right about that, But the way that that works, do

1058
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,920
you go down the ratings? I mean just because he

1059
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:14,639
got stopped in that fight didn't mean he was going

1060
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:16,920
to drop out of the ratings. He was dropped down

1061
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,639
to like number five. Maybe that wasn't low enough, but

1062
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,159
the point was, as the IBF went through the ratings,

1063
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,960
guys were turning down. So Tosa, we've discussed. He's sitting

1064
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:28,400
there right now as the mandatory, but that's going to

1065
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,159
expire and he's probably not going to get the fight

1066
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,039
Frank Sanchez is number three, so they ordered Sanchez to

1067
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:37,280
fight the guys that were behind him. They had ordered

1068
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,440
him to fight different guys who pulled out. Frank Sanchez

1069
00:50:41,519 --> 00:50:43,760
was ordered to fight Fa Jagua. That didn't happen. They

1070
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,199
actually went to a pers bit and the Jagua didn't

1071
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:47,840
like the results, so he was out. So he's been

1072
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,079
dropped out of the ratings for six months. Richard Torres

1073
00:50:51,199 --> 00:50:54,440
Junior turned down the fight you had Danie Dubad. They

1074
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,039
accepted the position, and so now it was a matter

1075
00:50:57,119 --> 00:50:59,119
we negotiate, then we if we can't make a deal

1076
00:50:59,159 --> 00:51:01,880
with they'd order purspit. Perspit was supposed to take place

1077
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,760
Thursday afternoon, and literally, as I was told, about an

1078
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,320
hour before the purspit is supposed to happen, Queensberry informs

1079
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,760
the IBF that they're withdrawing from their position. So that

1080
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,599
now leaves once again Frank Sanchez, who is being treated

1081
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:20,280
like he's a fucking Muhammad Ali reincarnated. Then nobody will

1082
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,119
fight the guy in this fight, so now they'll go

1083
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:24,400
down the ratings again. So if you're curious, I went

1084
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,440
and looked at the ratings of the IBF then and

1085
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:28,519
I actually think this fight might have a chance to

1086
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,800
happen because the guy I'm about to mention has got

1087
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,880
nothing really to lose and he's not really going anywhere.

1088
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,159
This is a big opportunity if you were to get it.

1089
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:39,159
Number six in the IBF rankings at heavyweight is Jared Anderson,

1090
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:42,480
who's been kind of out of the picture for a

1091
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,239
little while, but this would be one way to get

1092
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,920
right back in the thick of things with one fight.

1093
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,440
And if you go beyond Jared Anderson, the next guy

1094
00:51:49,559 --> 00:51:51,760
is Michael Hunter, who has been dropped from the WBA

1095
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,039
regular mandatory position. He's looking for something that would be

1096
00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:57,559
an opportunity. And beyond that, you've got the Olympic super

1097
00:51:57,599 --> 00:52:00,519
heavyweight gold medalist back a Deer Jolla Love who just

1098
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:03,039
want to fight, and it was Bekistan this past weekend.

1099
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,360
So those are the guys that are going to get ordered.

1100
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 2: But does Baby still care about fighting? We don't know

1101
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,639
that answer, and we haven't seen him since Whin he

1102
00:52:10,679 --> 00:52:13,360
fought earlier this year. That's the one fight since Martin

1103
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:16,079
Boccoli destroyed him in August of twenty twenty four.

1104
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:19,199
Speaker 1: So, and by the way, mosesy Toma was another guy

1105
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,519
who had then ordered to fight to bought in the

1106
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,760
eliminary he withdrew from the position. Also, they're both with Queensbury.

1107
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,000
Obviously they got other plans from Moses. But the fact

1108
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:31,159
is you got one heavyweight after another and then and

1109
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:35,199
every time this happens, it pushes back Frank Sanchez because

1110
00:52:35,239 --> 00:52:36,880
they got to go through the process again. So now

1111
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,880
it's next order X number of weeks to negotiate, then

1112
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,280
a purse bid, you know, and and maybe there's an

1113
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:44,599
extension and anyway, it just it's like a never ending thing.

1114
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,960
I'm getting tired of right about how many people turned

1115
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,519
down Frank Sanchez one minute.

1116
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 2: All right, quickly and then we're gone. Tim Zo, you

1117
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,519
talk to us previously on the pod is going to

1118
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:57,599
be back, and now we know when he's going to

1119
00:52:57,639 --> 00:52:59,400
be back and where go ahead.

1120
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: Well, after he got destroyed in the rematch against the

1121
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,079
Bashi in Frondora back in July, that was on the

1122
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,840
undercard when Manny Packet, when Mario Barrios had their fight

1123
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,559
in Las Vegas. You know, he lost again. You know,

1124
00:53:13,679 --> 00:53:15,760
he was on a it's a rough spot for him.

1125
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,199
I mean, at one point most people were looking at

1126
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,400
him he's like, he's the number one guy in the

1127
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,880
way class at one fifty four. And then suddenly he

1128
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,960
takes that memorable bloody decision loss to Fandora. Uh he loses, uh,

1129
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:28,960
you know. And then and after that he loses to Mortaza,

1130
00:53:29,119 --> 00:53:30,480
he gets a shot at the IDEF title. He just

1131
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,679
losed that fight. And at least in the Fandora fight,

1132
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,039
it was a split decision, and there was obvious circumstances

1133
00:53:35,079 --> 00:53:37,440
because of the crazy gash that he had. You can

1134
00:53:37,559 --> 00:53:41,280
understand that where taz Lee though absolutely annihilated him four knockdowns.

1135
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: I was there, I keep saying that I was there

1136
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,880
in Orlando, Florida. I saw that firsthand.

1137
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: So and then he got to get well fight in Newcastle,

1138
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,519
Australia against the man of the moment, Joey Spencer, who

1139
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:54,599
he blew out in four rounds. That was to be expected.

1140
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:58,000
And then he went and he got punished and retired

1141
00:53:58,039 --> 00:54:01,280
on the stool against Fondora after the seventh round in July.

1142
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,880
And so now there's like a lot of questions like

1143
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,880
what the Heck's cup with Tim Zoo's career and talk

1144
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:10,039
about a fall from grace very precipitously I guess he

1145
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:12,280
announced that he was going to return. He was not

1146
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:14,719
retiring like a lot of folks maybe had suggested he do.

1147
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,800
He announced that he was changing trainers. He had went

1148
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,519
to work with Pedro Diaz, the well respected Cuban trainer

1149
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,039
with him in Miami, and then just a couple of

1150
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,079
days ago, No Limit Boxing, his promoter in Australia, announced

1151
00:54:27,079 --> 00:54:29,559
that he would have a ten round middleweight fight. It

1152
00:54:29,599 --> 00:54:32,400
will take place on December seventeenth. He'll be fighting back

1153
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,679
in his hometown of Sydney, where he hasn't fought for

1154
00:54:34,679 --> 00:54:36,960
the last few years. He'll take on the American Anthony

1155
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:41,679
Velasquez eighteen oh to one with fifteen knockouts out of Springfield, Massachusetts.

1156
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,519
Certainly not a well known guy. He's really the way

1157
00:54:44,599 --> 00:54:46,519
that you could best describe him as a guy that

1158
00:54:46,639 --> 00:54:50,840
has fought most of her on the New England club circuit.

1159
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,280
But he's got a huge opportunity to go to Australia

1160
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,639
with a great record to see if he can finish

1161
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,400
off what's left of Tim Zoo. We'll find out. He's

1162
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:00,880
gonna be fighting off see a little bit heavier than

1163
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,840
he has been for his career, and if there's a

1164
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,760
chance for tim Zu to rebound and get him stuff

1165
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,440
together and maybe make another run at the title. It's

1166
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,280
gonna start with this fight. I mean, I don't And

1167
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,280
again on the day, it's not like it's like the

1168
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,039
Spencer fight, like it's a guy he should win, but

1169
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:17,360
you just don't go after the losses he's taken.

1170
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,599
Speaker 2: And on the date that's a mid week fight as

1171
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they do this a lot of the time in Australia.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a normal thing in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, a mid week December seventeenth battle for tim Zu's

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return and then coming in January, Golden boy Is announced

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they will start their schedule up. Tell us about the

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main event, the fighters and where.

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Speaker 1: Well they're gonna do. We discussed the fact that they

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were trying to get the rematch done between the Welterway contenders,

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Alexis Rocha and ral Kurrio, the Mexican Olympian. They had

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a tremendous battle in their first fight last December. They

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fought to a draw and so they're doing the rematch now.

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Roach has not fought since then, but Kuriell has had

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one fight since He fought on the undercard when Jake

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Paul fought Chabas junior that took in June in Los Angeles.

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But they're doing the rematch, and I can't imagine this

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is going to be anything other than another slam bang

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kind of fight. So it will kick off Golden Boys

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twenty twenty sixth calendar. They'll do this fight on January

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sixteenth and will take place at the Afrashure Arena in

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Palm Desert, California. And the interesting they have the co

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feature is another rematch, So you got the top fighter

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rematch between Roacha and Kyria, and the co feature is

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also going to be a rematch and that's a ten

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rounder at junior featherweight between the What was a draw

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that took place this past July majority draw. He had

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Gucci Manny Flores, who was a popular fighter from Coachala, California,

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draws in a good crowd when he spot his fights

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at the Fantasy Springs in Indio. He's taken on the

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undefeated Jorge chab Is from Mexico. Their first fight was

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a pretty good fight. Flores was a big favorite in

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that fight, so it was kind of a big surprise

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that they got that Flores got the draw so they're

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doing it again. So that's your top two fights. I

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mean that Chob has got the draw rather, so you

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got two rematches to kick off Bulden. What was her?

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Speaker 2: All right? We have given you a ton Let me

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roll through this again. That we will be doing the

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bet us TV Live Boxing show. Find us on social

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Facebook page, the Twitter handles, follow Dan social media and mine.

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You'll see it live at one Eastern time. You can

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watch it after the fact on kick dot com slash

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bet USTv. So we will be there handicapping these four

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fights the Ring four Night of champions card in Saudi

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Arabia on Friday afternoon, and then I will make my

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way to Los Angeles with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for

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the Los Angeles Rams Sunday night football game. But before

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we get to Sunday Saturday night, when the fights are over,

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find our Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. You and I

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will go live there after the Benavita's Yard main event

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in the pay per view concludes. Obviously, we will go

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live with a full recap of the entire show, So

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find us exclusively on the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page.

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That's the place to see it coming on Saturday night,

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and in the meantime, the David Benavitas and Abdulah Mason

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interviews are also on the YouTube page watch Dan with

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both of them. Other than that, I think we've covered

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everything else. They need to read your substack for the

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very latest. You and I are going to be live again,

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as a lot of people. Hear this on Friday morning

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coming up at one Eastern time, so stay with us

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by that big Dan Rayfield. Thank you. I am merely TJ. Reeves,

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and we get ready for all that's going to happen

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this weekend with all the action in Saudi Arabia, and

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you've been listening to it on the Big Fight Weekend

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