WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.560 They is a word, so like I don't need to 2 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:05.160 always say they, like it's just a weird It's like 3 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:07.799 this is one of these psychology tactics who are like 4 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:08.800 who is they? Who is they? 5 00:00:08.839 --> 00:00:11.039 And it's like that sounds like you're saying Jews. 6 00:00:12.199 --> 00:00:15.599 Does the word they mean Jews when you're talking about Jews. 7 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.079 Yes, but if I'm not talking about Jews, then they 8 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:21.600 doesn't mean Jews. When I say they want us to 9 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.000 believe this or they want us to do that, and 10 00:00:23.039 --> 00:00:25.559 you hear Jews, that's your own derangement. 11 00:00:25.839 --> 00:00:26.039 Right. 12 00:00:26.239 --> 00:00:28.600 If I want to say something about Jews, I'll say it. 13 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.039 If I want to say something about Israel, I will 14 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:32.799 say it. If I want to just like when I 15 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:34.679 want to say something about black people, I'll say it. 16 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:35.520 When I was. 17 00:00:35.479 --> 00:00:39.200 Saying during BLM, they want us to believe, nobody said 18 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:42.439 do you mean Jews? And so again it's one of 19 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:46.119 these trash tactics to make people fearful to speak. When 20 00:00:46.159 --> 00:00:49.960 I say Zionists run the media, I mean Zionists run 21 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.759 the media. People that support the political ideology of Israel 22 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:58.880 run the media. Any other things that I can help clarify. 23 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:02.079 But are you familiar with this like very long standing trop. 24 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:04.000 Who did give me about a trope. 25 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:06.400 That's a pretty bold claim by Candice Owns. I mean 26 00:01:06.920 --> 00:01:08.640 zionis running the media. 27 00:01:08.719 --> 00:01:10.280 I don't know. I don't know if I believe it. 28 00:01:10.799 --> 00:01:13.359 Let's uh, let's get into some clips see if we 29 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:17.680 can confirm or deny her allegation the trope that she's 30 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:18.840 pushing there. Uh. 31 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.239 Anyways, welcome to Liberty Lockdown. This is that Clint Russell guy. 32 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.799 That's right, it's me that guy, Clint Russell. Hi, Nick 33 00:01:26.840 --> 00:01:30.040 fuint does I forced my way onto your radar. Sorry 34 00:01:30.079 --> 00:01:33.920 about that. Just to clarify a point. You know, Nick 35 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:36.840 Is was responding to something that I don't I don't 36 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:41.079 remember Dave saying. It seemed to me he was taking 37 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.400 it as like Dave was telling him he should apologize 38 00:01:43.439 --> 00:01:44.519 for things he said in the past. 39 00:01:44.719 --> 00:01:47.959 A lot of people like Dave Smith in particular, Dave 40 00:01:47.959 --> 00:01:50.439 Smith has been going around and I like Dave. I'm 41 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.599 not trying to start drama with him again. But I 42 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.879 saw Dave Smith did a show with that Clint Russell 43 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.560 guy this week, and he said, why does Nick flent 44 00:02:00.719 --> 00:02:05.040 Is take back all the horrible things he said, like 45 00:02:05.079 --> 00:02:08.599 about Hitler and first of all, I don't think it's 46 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:11.560 that horrible. Actually, I don't know why you're all offended. 47 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:13.759 I thought you're a comedian. I don't think it's that bad. 48 00:02:13.840 --> 00:02:20.800 That's number one, Number two, This is why why will 49 00:02:20.840 --> 00:02:26.879 I never apologize? Why will I never do that? They're 50 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:34.599 never operating in good faith? Know that, understand that, bank 51 00:02:34.680 --> 00:02:39.400 that when you're dealing with Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin, Josh Hammer, 52 00:02:39.639 --> 00:02:45.159 these guys are gangsters. They're crooks, these guys are liars, 53 00:02:46.159 --> 00:02:50.039 and they are never operating in good faith. You think 54 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.759 the Anti Defamation League and the SPLC, you think these 55 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.840 people operate in good faith. You think they're honest. You 56 00:02:57.879 --> 00:02:59.960 think they're looking for a sincere apology. 57 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:00.879 They're not. 58 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.240 They are looking for submission, They are looking for humiliation. 59 00:03:06.639 --> 00:03:09.080 I think it was more of like, you might want 60 00:03:09.080 --> 00:03:11.439 to move on from some of the shit posting because 61 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:14.319 you're in a position of power now and you have 62 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:16.199 a responsibility, and if you want to create a better 63 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:19.280 world and better country, which I believe you do, that 64 00:03:19.400 --> 00:03:21.479 it may be best to leave some of the more 65 00:03:21.639 --> 00:03:24.039 aggressive shit posting in your past. I think that was 66 00:03:24.080 --> 00:03:25.879 the point he was making. I certainly didn't take it 67 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:29.639 as him saying you should apologize to Ben Shapiro or 68 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.840 Mark Levan or any of these people. So that's just 69 00:03:31.879 --> 00:03:34.479 my two cents. People can go back and watch it. 70 00:03:34.520 --> 00:03:36.280 I haven't gone back and watched it because I was 71 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.240 in it, But if you guys want to go back 72 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.479 and watch it and tell me what part Nick is 73 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:43.039 actually responding to here, I would love to know if 74 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.159 there is a point at which Dave said that Nick 75 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:47.840 should apologize. I don't remember that happening. If it did happen, 76 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:51.560 I stand corrected, but I don't think so, and I 77 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:54.599 don't I just can't envision Dave saying that, because Dave 78 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:56.639 is not the type they would apologize for any of 79 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.360 the jokes he's made, so I don't think he's going 80 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.360 to begin to these clips. I just want to give 81 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.439 a quick kudos to Candice Owans, which, by the way, 82 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.319 Dave Smith had Candae Sollans on yesterday. They had a 83 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.960 great discussion as usual, and I got a name dropped again. 84 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:11.719 Last night. 85 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.879 I was on my buddy Clint Russell's podcast at Liberty 86 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:15.240 Locked Out. 87 00:04:15.280 --> 00:04:17.120 Clint Russell, by the way, criminally underrated. 88 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.160 He's great, So it was meet him and Ian Carroll 89 00:04:19.759 --> 00:04:23.040 and we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well it was a 90 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.079 great show. I think I bowled over everyone. I talked 91 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:28.199 too much on the show. I apologized for it afterward, 92 00:04:28.240 --> 00:04:29.399 and I was like, I bet I'm gonna get shit 93 00:04:29.439 --> 00:04:31.120 in the comments for this, and I did today, So 94 00:04:31.160 --> 00:04:32.000 sorry about that, guys. 95 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:33.639 It was late. I'd had a couple of whiskeys. I 96 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:34.399 was ramped in a bet. 97 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:37.079 My life is very, very surreal, and I'm pretty sure 98 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.319 we're living in the simulation at this point. That's the 99 00:04:39.360 --> 00:04:42.319 only assumption I can come to. I have no idea otherwise. 100 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:45.800 While of this is happening, this is simulation theory confirmed, 101 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:50.000 Elon Musk. I am your perfect case study. It's a simulation. 102 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:50.519 You were right. 103 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:53.040 I just want to point out this is the whole 104 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:56.519 game here, folks. This is the whole reason that our 105 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:02.079 little sphere here is dominating the commentating circle right now. 106 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.319 Is like everybody wants to hear people telling their honest 107 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:10.480 to god truth. They're actually more concerned about you being 108 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:13.800 honest than they are about you being right. That's how, 109 00:05:14.040 --> 00:05:17.720 that's how just awash in lies. We have been our 110 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:20.600 entire lives, really, but very starkly so. Over the past 111 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:23.399 five years, that people are just like I want someone 112 00:05:23.399 --> 00:05:25.800 who tells it like they see it, not even like 113 00:05:25.839 --> 00:05:28.040 it is, but just like they see it. Kennis Owns 114 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.199 is a perfect example of that. And she sits down 115 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:33.040 with that CNN reporter and she's like, do you understand. 116 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.639 Why people don't like it when you say they though? 117 00:05:35.120 --> 00:05:37.920 Can you understand given the age old trope? 118 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:39.920 And Kennis is like, I don't give a shit about 119 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:43.240 a trope. Don't care. If I want to talk about that, 120 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:45.279 I'll talk about that. If I meant that, then I 121 00:05:45.360 --> 00:05:47.480 say that. If I didn't say that, I didn't mean that. 122 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:52.319 Moving on, It's like, babam, that's exactly what people want. 123 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.519 You can hate Candace. You can say she's got X 124 00:05:55.600 --> 00:05:58.519 y z R. It doesn't matter, doesn't matter the audience, 125 00:05:58.680 --> 00:05:59.720 the audience, don't lie. 126 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:01.720 You're not doing millions of views per show. 127 00:06:01.720 --> 00:06:04.279 You're not the number one political podcast on the planet 128 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:08.360 Earth because you're not delivering something that the people want. 129 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:09.600 She's delivering it. 130 00:06:10.240 --> 00:06:14.360 And guess what, So is Nick Flentes, So is Tucker Carlson, 131 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:16.759 So is Dave Smith. These are all the people that 132 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:19.480 are telling how they see it, and as a consequence, 133 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.360 they are getting enormous audiences. Ian Carroll a perfect example. 134 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.839 So you're just not gonna stop this title? Waif you're 135 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:29.160 not gonna stop it, and let me tell you, someone 136 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:34.879 like Ben Shapiro, who's star rose like the phoenix and 137 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:38.279 has now collapsed down to earth, is not gonna save you. 138 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:38.639 Guys. 139 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:42.199 For those that don't know, the big pushback over the 140 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.759 past couple of days has been Ben Shapiro back hot 141 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.879 on the circuit, trying to undermine and replace Tucker Carlson 142 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:52.759 as the leader of the conservative commentating marketplace. 143 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:54.480 Not gonna happen, Ben. 144 00:06:54.600 --> 00:06:56.959 I guess the stop that he makes to make this 145 00:06:57.160 --> 00:07:01.079 sales pitch to America CNN where all the Trump supporters 146 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.759 are watching, right. I mean, this guy is such a 147 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:08.399 clear crystal case of an operative. I don't know why 148 00:07:08.519 --> 00:07:12.319 anyone takes him seriously anymore, and let's be honest, very 149 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:15.800 few people do. I was looking at his viewership recently 150 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.519 and I'm like, there's a distinct possibility that my show, 151 00:07:19.879 --> 00:07:22.839 this little show, no marketing budget, no nothing, just pure 152 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.079 networking and word of mouth and friends in this world 153 00:07:27.079 --> 00:07:29.959 that have helped me out, by the way, not via compensation, 154 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:32.879 just because they like what I do. I'm like, there's 155 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:35.920 a non zero chance that Liberty Lockdown will be more 156 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:38.800 influential than Ben Shapiro by next year. Like, it's a 157 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:42.680 distinct possibility. Think about how fucking crazy that is. Ben Shapiro, 158 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.879 who was the darling of the YouTube algorithm for the 159 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:49.920 past fifteen years, or at least for about a decade there. 160 00:07:49.959 --> 00:07:51.600 The past couple of years he kind of fellen off. 161 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.879 But for about a decade it was like you go 162 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.839 onto YouTube, I don't care what the fuck you're looking for. 163 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:00.839 It was like Lex Friedman, Ben Shapiro and just boom 164 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:02.759 right in your lap, whether you like it or not. 165 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.279 What is Shapiro's actual role? What is his actual job? 166 00:08:07.639 --> 00:08:10.759 Because he would have you believe that his job is 167 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.959 to commentate on the news, commentate on politics in America, 168 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:18.360 But what is his real job? When do you see 169 00:08:18.360 --> 00:08:22.800 his most passionate retorts come out. It's not really against 170 00:08:22.800 --> 00:08:25.240 the lefties, it's not against the Wolk College students. He's 171 00:08:25.319 --> 00:08:28.000 kind of jovial during most of that. No no, no, 172 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:33.000 no no. Ben Shapiro gets most activated most clearly when 173 00:08:33.000 --> 00:08:39.000 you critique literally anything about Israel. His number one passion 174 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.720 in life is the defense of the nation of Israel. 175 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:42.960 I'm just telling you how. 176 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:44.879 I see it. That's my job, just to tell you 177 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:45.440 how I see it. 178 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.960 And I think as a consequence of that becoming more 179 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.799 and more obvious, especially after the multi year war in Gaza, 180 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:56.480 his audience is being hemorrhaged. So what does he do 181 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.559 to reclaim his star on the Walk of Fame. Well, 182 00:08:59.600 --> 00:09:00.919 he goes to see an end and he. 183 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:04.679 Says this, if somebody glosses Nazis on the air, that 184 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:08.039 person probably should not be associated with a conservative thing tank, 185 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:10.960 and that everyone should have a duty to say that 186 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:13.200 that is a bad thing to do. The real issue 187 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:16.240 here is I think that Tucker Carlson's morphing from I 188 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:18.799 would say, a very edgy right wing political figure on 189 00:09:18.879 --> 00:09:22.480 Fox News, but certainly within the mainstream into a conspiracist, 190 00:09:22.600 --> 00:09:27.840 a person who ideologically wanders anti Semitism, who ideologically wanders 191 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.879 all sorts of anti Americanism on his show, and then 192 00:09:31.320 --> 00:09:33.519 errs it for the public to hear with interviews like 193 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:35.600 the ones he did with Nick Flents, which was essentially 194 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:37.720 a massage with Nick flinnays the truth is that most 195 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:40.399 people don't watch politics all that granularly. Even people who 196 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.799 are in politics don't spend a lot of time on 197 00:09:42.879 --> 00:09:46.320 sort of the fringe edged lord right that Flint has is, 198 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:50.080 and so the sort of mainstreaming, the popularization and normalization 199 00:09:50.120 --> 00:09:53.200 of Flentez by Carlson is significantly more important than just 200 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:56.159 Flint as his existence. Obviously, it was a seminal moment. 201 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:58.559 I think when it comes to the right's decision as 202 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.159 to whether Tucker himself is a source of truth or 203 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.519 whether he is a destructive force inside conservatism, I think 204 00:10:04.559 --> 00:10:06.919 the broader problem here is again that you have an 205 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.519 enormous number of young people who are engaging with true 206 00:10:09.559 --> 00:10:12.840 white supremacist, anti Jew content and are taken in by it, 207 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:14.639 and there do need to be more voices pushing back 208 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:14.919 on that. 209 00:10:15.240 --> 00:10:16.720 Fren Spiro, we thank you for your voice. 210 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:19.320 Thank you so much, Thanks so much, Jake Tapper of 211 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:23.039 CNN saying Ben Shapiro, we thank you for your voice. 212 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:26.080 I'm sure you do, Jake, I'm sure you do. CNN. 213 00:10:26.799 --> 00:10:29.120 It's just the rest of America that doesn't really appreciate 214 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:32.720 it anymore. But let's be honest, what he's doing there 215 00:10:33.159 --> 00:10:38.559 is gatekeeping. He is trying to topple from the highest 216 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:42.480 of heights when it comes to conservative media, one Tucker Carlson, 217 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:44.799 someone who he used to compete with head to head, 218 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:47.240 who he no longer does. And by the way, it 219 00:10:47.279 --> 00:10:50.080 should be pointed out that when Ben Shapiro talks about 220 00:10:50.279 --> 00:10:53.879 Nick Fuintes being on the fringes of the political right 221 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.440 and basically painting him as some sort of like freak 222 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.559 anomaly thing that really isn't that important, but yet it 223 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:06.639 is important enough that apparently Tucker Carlson has to be canceled, Ben, 224 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:10.279 Nick Fuentes is about, I don't know, five to ten 225 00:11:10.360 --> 00:11:15.559 times more popular than you right now, maybe more. I mean, 226 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.320 if you're going to talk about fringe, what makes it fringe, 227 00:11:20.000 --> 00:11:22.200 it's he's more mainstream than you. 228 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:23.240 Benny. 229 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:25.919 Hate to break it to you, Bud, You're no longer 230 00:11:25.960 --> 00:11:29.000 the guy that you once were, at least that you 231 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.759 thought you were, And I, for one, celebrate that fact. 232 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:36.799 I think that's a great thing, because I would actually 233 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:39.879 like the right wing in this country to be dedicated 234 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:44.720 to this country, I know, very radical thought, and you 235 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:47.519 are not. So now to just push back briefly on 236 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:51.159 the entire basic criticism that he's making of Tucker Carls, 237 00:11:51.159 --> 00:11:52.720 and I kind of did that on the episode a 238 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:55.399 week ago, so I'll keep it very brief, but he's 239 00:11:55.440 --> 00:11:58.320 saying that he's an idea launderer. He's a launderer of 240 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:02.159 bad ideas. It's like, if you watch that interview, Carlson 241 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:05.120 makes it very clear the areas of disagreement that he 242 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:09.240 has with Nick Fuentes. He said his piece, he said 243 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.000 what he wanted to express, and ultimately it is his 244 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.960 platform and he gets to say what he wants. You know, 245 00:12:15.159 --> 00:12:17.279 an arena in which you could actually contend with Nick 246 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:21.759 Fuente's dangerous, bad, fringe radical ideas well, that would be 247 00:12:21.759 --> 00:12:25.039 your own or literally anywhere on planet Earth. As Nick 248 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:28.039 Fuintes has had an open invite to you, Ben Shapiro 249 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.399 for years now, an invite for which you have ran consistently, 250 00:12:33.759 --> 00:12:34.759 you fucking coward. 251 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:37.600 So how about. 252 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:42.720 Instead of canceling Tucker Carlson, we cancel Ben Shapiro, seeing 253 00:12:42.720 --> 00:12:47.159 as he has an opportunity to defeat with better ideas 254 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:52.200 the bad, dangerous, radical fringe ideas of one Nick Fontes, 255 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:54.919 and he's not willing. So why should you be the 256 00:12:54.960 --> 00:12:57.039 leader of the right wing if you can't even contend 257 00:12:57.159 --> 00:13:02.960 with free speech and debate against these very obviously bad ideas. 258 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.279 Ben Yeah, I'd. 259 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.000 Say that's a much bigger problem than him not pushing 260 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:13.799 back when Nick said that he idolizes Stalin, which by 261 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:15.919 the way, I have watched the clips that go into 262 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:19.480 detail explaining Nick's perspective on that, and he goes on 263 00:13:19.600 --> 00:13:21.840 to say that he thinks that Stalin's an evil guy, 264 00:13:22.360 --> 00:13:26.120 but he's it's just like he's an impressive historical figure 265 00:13:26.159 --> 00:13:29.159 coming from poverty and being this basically the most powerful 266 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:32.679 man on earth. And Nick obviously has some affinity for 267 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:37.080 strong men. So that's not my cup of tea. As liberty, 268 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:40.600 I despise those types of figures, but I do understand 269 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.279 his perspective, and it's not it's kind of how I 270 00:13:43.320 --> 00:13:46.799 feel about the Zionus, Like I don't really respect what 271 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:51.039 they've done, but I totally can like go like, wow, 272 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:55.039 that's impressive. It's an impressive amount of evil that's been committed. 273 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:56.960 So I get the point he was making. I just 274 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:58.600 wanted to correct the record on that because I did 275 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.960 bring that up last week and I hadn't done the 276 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:03.879 deep dive to watch the ten minute, you know, exposition 277 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:06.120 as to why he felt that way, and in case 278 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:09.320 you're still not convinced that Ben Shapiro's primary role in 279 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:14.000 American political commentating is gatekeeping. Here's what PbD had to say. 280 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:18.399 So when we had BB, I would say death threats 281 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:21.759 at an all time high, no question. When BB came up, 282 00:14:22.919 --> 00:14:26.120 then they agree, all right, Ben wants to come on 283 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:30.000 the podcast. Then when I said, you know, I want 284 00:14:30.000 --> 00:14:32.799 to have Nick on, I looked at the booking team 285 00:14:33.799 --> 00:14:39.919 after Ben was confirmed, I said, if they cancel, it's because. 286 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:42.039 Of me agreeing to have Nick on. 287 00:14:43.399 --> 00:14:48.559 Great, we have Nick on, I show the clips, we 288 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:53.679 have the conversations, everything takes place, fair interview. You sound 289 00:14:53.720 --> 00:14:56.240 like a racist year you sound like this here? Why 290 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:57.879 are you dropping this word? So he's kind of like, 291 00:14:57.919 --> 00:15:01.600 you know, even manningut. Two weeks later, Ben Shapiro cancels. 292 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:03.559 Why why do you cancel? 293 00:15:04.600 --> 00:15:04.679 So? 294 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:09.480 What is the brand? Why not have conversations? We're not 295 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:15.360 a fire brand, We're not well, let's see maybe next year. No, 296 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:20.679 I'm not interested. Don't big shot yourself. It's unattractive. 297 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:22.559 So I'm sure most of you have already figured this out, 298 00:15:22.559 --> 00:15:25.039 but let me make it explicit. What Ben Shapiro is 299 00:15:25.080 --> 00:15:28.759 doing right now is because Nick Fointes is so goddamn 300 00:15:28.840 --> 00:15:31.440 charismatic and has a lot of things right. It makes 301 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.159 a really compelling argument that's really hard to refute. You 302 00:15:34.240 --> 00:15:37.559 now have an operation to try and because he has 303 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.039 now gone from you know, blacklisted, third Rail can't talk 304 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:44.360 about him basically Voldemort and he's now getting on bigger 305 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:46.879 and bigger shows. Did candas did Tucker did Date Like 306 00:15:47.240 --> 00:15:51.480 he's doing the big shows now. Problem, he's been on PbD. Problem. 307 00:15:51.919 --> 00:15:54.679 So what is Shapiro doing Well, he's now withholding his 308 00:15:54.799 --> 00:15:56.960 services his guest appearance is as if he's such a 309 00:15:57.000 --> 00:16:01.320 fucking draw right from going on because he had funt 310 00:16:01.360 --> 00:16:03.879 des on. You see the game and what they're what 311 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:05.960 they're attempting to do is they're attempting to make it 312 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:09.000 so that anybody that host Nick Funtes can no longer 313 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.279 be in the good graces of conn Inc. 314 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:12.440 Maggot Inc. 315 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:14.840 If you will, the Benny Johnson's of the world, the 316 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:17.440 Pasobics of the world, you can't be in those good 317 00:16:17.440 --> 00:16:21.360 graces if you gain it necessary to have a conversation 318 00:16:21.399 --> 00:16:22.879 with Nick funt Is. And if you do have a 319 00:16:22.879 --> 00:16:26.320 conversation with Nick funt does it better be you calling 320 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.960 him a racist, anti Semite for an hour straight and 321 00:16:29.000 --> 00:16:31.279 if it's not, well, then we're going to fucking destroy 322 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:34.639 your life. That's what they're doing. It's super clear that's 323 00:16:34.639 --> 00:16:37.639 what he's doing. And it's not just him, it's Levin 324 00:16:37.639 --> 00:16:39.799 as well. But there's a lot of people that are 325 00:16:39.799 --> 00:16:42.440 pushing this. A lot Denish Jesus has been doing it, 326 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:44.919 who I've done a show with, and I liked Densh 327 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:48.360 But this is like, fucking so obvious and crazy. But 328 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:50.879 there's other figures that are doing the same thing. And 329 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:54.440 that's the game. This is the gate keeping game. This 330 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:58.200 is not this is not reflective of the right wing 331 00:16:58.320 --> 00:16:59.320 movement that I like. 332 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.840 That says fuck your feelings, right. 333 00:17:02.840 --> 00:17:07.039 Remember Shapiro used to basically say that, no, no, no, this 334 00:17:07.200 --> 00:17:12.160 is like feelings are paramount. Actually they're arguably more important 335 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:14.400 than principles. In fact, they are more important than principles 336 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:18.799 because one of my highest principles is free speech, letting 337 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.759 better ideas win an open debate. I think that's a 338 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:24.920 great way for us to move forward as a country, 339 00:17:24.960 --> 00:17:27.640 to settle our differences peacefully so that it doesn't get 340 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:31.400 violent and crazy. That's actually what our founders believed in 341 00:17:31.519 --> 00:17:33.359 that's what I believe in. That's what I thought all 342 00:17:33.400 --> 00:17:37.839 Americans believed in, until someone like Nick funt does pops 343 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:41.039 his head up and suddenly everybody forgets about the First Amendment. Well, 344 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.200 my sincere apologies, I haven't forgotten about it. Still love it, 345 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.839 still uphold it, still willing to die for it. Actually, 346 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.319 and so is Tucker Carlson, So is Dave Smith, So's 347 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:55.720 Cannie Owns, so is MTG. And I think Nick funt 348 00:17:55.839 --> 00:18:00.160 Is is right there with that mentality. So those are my people. Well, 349 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:03.039 right now, we don't have to agree on everything. In fact, 350 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:07.319 we don't, but we have to have shared cultural values, 351 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.519 shared principles, a shared ethos by which we formulate civilization. 352 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.279 And people like Ben Shapiro don't have it. Okay, this 353 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.920 is the exact same thing. This is the fun house 354 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:23.519 mirror of the twenty ten through twenty eighteen period, twenty 355 00:18:23.680 --> 00:18:26.960 twenty one period, really just the entire woke apocalypse that 356 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:30.000 we went through. It's the same fucking thing. We all 357 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:33.640 see it, right, there's a particular category of human beings 358 00:18:33.920 --> 00:18:37.680 that can't be criticized. Does that ring a bell for anybody? 359 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:40.799 It rings a bell for me. We just went through it. 360 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:44.400 That's what BLM was. This is what Candice Owens fought 361 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:46.640 back against. This is the reason that she was so 362 00:18:46.839 --> 00:18:51.279 activated when this same phenomenon came on again, and once 363 00:18:51.319 --> 00:18:53.319 again she found herself on the other side of it, 364 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:57.200 and God bless her, she didn't change her principles. She 365 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:01.359 actually continued to push the same talking points. No, I'm 366 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:03.839 going to say what I have to say about this 367 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.640 group of people. Nobody's special. Everybody is open for criticism. 368 00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:13.400 That is actual Americanism, that is actual freedom. But Ben 369 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.480 Shapiro doesn't want that. Mick Levin doesn't want that. And 370 00:19:16.519 --> 00:19:19.119 it's not just Ben Shapiro that's unwilling to debate these issues, 371 00:19:19.200 --> 00:19:21.440 especially with Nick fluent Is. They're trying to do the 372 00:19:21.440 --> 00:19:25.079 same fucking thing to Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson, who does 373 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:27.279 not have the same worldview at least certainly not the 374 00:19:27.319 --> 00:19:29.559 exact same worldview of Nick fuint is far from it. 375 00:19:29.880 --> 00:19:34.599 But Levin gets an opportunity and offer directly from Tucker 376 00:19:34.640 --> 00:19:38.160 Carlson to debate their differences. And here's what Levin has 377 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:38.519 to say. 378 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:41.359 I got a very strange text this morning from Tucker 379 00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:43.640 Carlson ten and sixteen am. I'll read it to you 380 00:19:43.720 --> 00:19:45.640 for probade them. Good morning, he writes it to me. 381 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:49.559 The leadership at Turning Point has asked me to debate 382 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:53.079 you at their event in Scottsdale in December. I'm happy 383 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:54.920 to do it, and I hope you'll agree as well. 384 00:19:55.799 --> 00:19:58.240 Beyond the personal insults, which I'll try to keep to 385 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:02.519 a minimum, there are real important ideological differences between us, 386 00:20:02.839 --> 00:20:05.759 and I think the country would benefit from an extended 387 00:20:05.799 --> 00:20:09.240 conversation about them. So again, I hope you'll accept. Let 388 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:13.039 me know thanks. The guy is desperate. He's taking a 389 00:20:13.119 --> 00:20:16.079 hit on his podcast. He's fighting like hell for his career, 390 00:20:16.119 --> 00:20:18.880 he's fighting like hell for his reputation. People are awakening 391 00:20:18.920 --> 00:20:22.759 to what scum he actually is, and he thinks I'm 392 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:24.759 going to platform him. He thinks I'm going to help 393 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.519 him kick up his podcast ratings. What would Charlie say? 394 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:30.160 What would Rush say? What would any rational response? 395 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:30.440 Here? 396 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:30.839 It is? 397 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:33.640 I wrote him the following, My family and I want 398 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.440 nothing to do with you. Well, you've become your vile 399 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:40.759 libels against my faith, millions of Christians, and in my view, 400 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:43.720 what you seek to do to our country. There's nothing 401 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:47.400