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Speaker 1: It is the Big twelve sec breakdown time of Joelsea

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with your appreciate your judgments as we have a comprehensive

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this week. And there's several things I want to get

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to on the breakdown of where we want to go

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this week, And we always start with our hot takes,

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and I gotta tell you where I want to go

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with my hot take this week. There's plenty of things

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I could I could choose from, but I want to

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be at the defense of the Big Twelve for a

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moment here, Okay, And if you look at the Ape Pole,

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I believe there's four Big twelve teams that are ranked

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TCU's twenty fourth, Iowa States thirteenth, by u's twenty fifth,

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and then Texas Tech is twelve. And my hot take

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this week, I'm gonna say the Big Twelve conference is

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better than advertised. You got seven undefeated teams to start

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the year, all right, They got the second most head

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to head power four wins of any conference in the country.

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All Right, let's let's chill for a moment on all

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the Big twelve. Hey, it is easy to do in

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this day and age when the SEC the Big ten

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take all the attention and have all of these powerhouse

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programs and everything.

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Speaker 2: But let's not dismiss the Big twelve.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Texas Tech dominates Utah last week and Barren

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Morten was out in the second half and they didn't

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didn't miss a beat. Okay, And I look at this league,

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Texas Tech looks like the team to beat. Iowa State

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looks pretty solid. But don't sleep on TCU. You b

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Yu was still hanging around there. I think my Kansas

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Jayhawks are a good football team, even though they lost

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some maazoo at home on the road a couple of

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weeks ago. Don't sell this league short. I think that

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would be a major mistake to sell this conference short,

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to say that they can't be a good conference, that

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this isn't a league that can compete with the big dogs.

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Speaker 2: And you look at that team.

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Speaker 1: I think Texas Tech, in particular, what I saw on

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Saturday on the road at Utah in a hostile environment

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on big Noon Saturday, that team showed, Hey, we came

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to play. And I've had my doubts about Joey maguire,

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but the roster is no joke. They spent a lot

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of money on that roster for a reason, folks.

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Speaker 3: And with that.

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Speaker 1: Said, watch Out, watch Out Texas Tech might be the

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team that we're not talking about enough. It's ready to

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make their case and go forward from here. All right,

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let's talk about my Gundy now and his dismissal is

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the Olahoba State head coach, and we'll have more on

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this with Caden winning chuns is coming up in just

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a bit. But first of all, I am surprised that

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it happened when it did, not surprised that it happened.

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Speaker 2: And let me tell you what I mean by that, folks.

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Speaker 1: So if you watch the game on Friday night against Tulsa,

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that was one of the most obvious dead men walking

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things we've ever seen. I mean, even the DJ at

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Boone Picktt Stadium knew what was up in the final

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minutes of that game, playing the seth Rilands song from

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the Wwe Burn It All Down. I don't know if

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that DJ is still employed today or if he got

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a raise, but he knew what was going on that

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it was the end for Mike Gundy. And you know,

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with that said, it was one of those things where

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it had to happen where Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 2: Needed to make a change.

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Speaker 1: It was not I would say, the most graceful way

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of going out, but it was something that needed to

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be done. And we've heard conflicting reports. Robert Allen has

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said that he was offered the chance to stay and

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announce his retirement, but he wasn't for that. Chad Wiberg

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the AD has refuted those reports. But nonetheless, they go

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ahead and make this move now on a Tuesday, after

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they had been prepping for the Baylor game since Saturday.

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So all of that was strange, but you get the idea.

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They go ahead and go through with this, and you

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know it's not I deal the way it was done,

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This is, as Chad Weiberg said multiple times his news

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conference on Tuesday, a Pivol time twenty thirty is fastly

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approaching with the new TV contracts, and that is when

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realignment discussions are going to pop up again, and there's

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talks of the Super League and all these things. And

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if you're Oklahoma State, you don't have time to waste.

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school that just a few years ago, was looked at

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just behind Oklahoma and Texas in the Big Twelve that

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most people thought that when Oklahoma and Texas left the

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league that they were going to take the battle. They

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were in the Big Twelve title game in Texas is

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last year in this league, and look at where they

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are now compared to the we're a couple of years ago.

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getting to where they want to go. And here's the

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thing I'll say this, Okay, Well, Oklahoma State made the

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right decision to move on from Mike Gundy. They got

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their work cut out for them, because here's the deal, folks.

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They fired their coach on a Tuesday after giving Mike

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Gundhy two press conferences when he said he had no

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plans to leave the ad had no contract in place.

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we don't know that officially just yet. And they owe

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Mike Gandhy fifteen million dollars. While everybody's talked about that

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they have struggled within IL Mike Gundy said that they've

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had what seven million dollars to spend over the last

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three years. Here clearly Oklahoma State has no direction here

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that they have a tall hill to climb, a tall

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mountain to get this program back on track. And I'm

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not saying that they can't and that Oklahoma State won't

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improve from here. The example I've used in the past

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on from a legend and Gary Patterson, who had just

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as impressive, if not even more of an impressive resume

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than Mike Gundhy did. Okay, it can be done, but

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it is a messy situation and I don't know how

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attractive that job is right now. If I'm a head

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coach looking at this, I'm saying, show me the money

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are you gonna invest? Cause things have not been the

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same since the great Tea Boone Pickings passed away. And

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but I'll give it to you anyway. And what I

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and finding the next guy, don't be locked in on

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somebody with ties with this universe yad Know all the

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talk has been about Zach Robinson, but I'll tell you this,

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I like Zach. Zach's been on this show. He's a

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good dude. There's nothing personal. It's just business here. But

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that Falcons offense wasn't anything to ride home about last year,

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and they sure as hell didn't look anything good, anything

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worth the damn this past week against Carolina Panthers when

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they were shutouts, And not all of that's on Zach Robinson.

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he's a young quarterback. You know that those things are

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gonna happen, so you take that all into account. But

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I don't even know if Zach wants to take that job,

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because even if he gets fired as the Falcons offensive coordinator,

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he'll land on his feet somewhere and he'll still be

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on track to be an NFL head coach at some

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point in time. Every coordinator, if they do a decent job,

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gets that head coaching opportunity at some point. Ask Kevin

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Moore got fired from the Cowboys and the Chargers goes

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to the Eagles, they win the Super Bowl. All of

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a sudden, he finds himself the New Orleans Saints head coach. So, well, Zach,

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do you want to give up on the NFL dream.

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It's a lot better to be an NFL head coach

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than it is head coach at Oklahoma State. So not

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to mention Zach's never coach college ball either, But whether

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it's swinging swinging Big Dick to go after John Gruden

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or at Orgeron, potentially, you know, maybe you go with

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like Will Stint at Oregon. I've heard Ben R. Buckle's

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name come up, the coordinator of Oklahoma. With that said,

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thing you possibly can. Maybe it's Colin Klein potentially at

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Texas A and m whatever it may be. Cast a

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wide net. Don't zero in your focus on Zack or

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somebody with ties to Oklahoma State. You don't have to

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ask somebody that has Oklahoma State ties to be successful

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with that program. What's next for Mike could be TV.

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I think he'd be fantastic at that. You know, I

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doubt he is going to get another power for coaching job. Again,

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I think it would be a group of six job.

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the UFL joined Bob Stooks and still do the TV thing. Potentially,

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if Mike if Kale wants to join him to do

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the coaching thing, there's still a job out there for him,

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but it's probably not as good as the job he

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had at Oklahoma State. And that's the reality of it.

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So we'll see where things go from here. Oklahoma State's

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a bit messy. I have even mentioned that the university

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had a bit of a scandal a few months ago

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where forty million dollars was unaccounted for and the university

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president got kicked to the curb as a result of it.

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over there in still Water. But that doesn't mean that

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they can't overcome these things and be successful. But it's

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gonna be a long path, and I don't know if

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Chad Wiberg is the right man to lead the charge

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as their athletic director either. I'm kind of surprised that

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all signs point two he's coming back and he's staying

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there at Oklahoma State. Meanwhile, John Mattier had surgery on

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his thumb. Doctor Shine, thank you for your service For

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taking care of John Matteer. How about John Mattier, folks,

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was playing through a thumb injury that he hurt in

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the first quarter against Auburn and still played pretty well

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and put together the game winning drive in the fourth

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quarter with that injury.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's got some dog in him. Folks. That's

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not easy to be done. Credit with credits, dude.

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Speaker 1: John Matteer to be showing up and showed out the

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way that he did to play through that. And now

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we wait on the recovery process. And I've heard a

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couple of different things that Matthew Stafford did something similar

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and he was back within twelve days. Some people are

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saying John Matteer could be out a month. We did

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hear the surgery was successful. So all of that is

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good for John Matteer. That points in the right direction,

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but we ultimately don't know. What we do know is

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that Michael Hawkins will take over for the time being.

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although OU fans, of course would love to have Michael

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Hawkins out of there and John Matteer back for the

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Texas game, but they do have the bye week this week,

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so that will certainly help the Sooners in that regard.

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got to get the run game going, whether it's when

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John Matteer's healthy or whether it's Michael Hawkins out there.

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Jay not and why he's not getting more playing time,

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but whatever it may be, they need to run the football.

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job Intier, they need to run the football. The defense

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is there, the passing game is solid, but they struggle

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to run the football. You even look at their blocking

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assignments and that offensive line was cheeks last year. Okay,

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they can pass block well, but they can't run block

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worth a dam. And if you're gonna compete in the

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SEC and go up against the competition they're about to face,

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they have to be able to run the football. So

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to me, that's I think the objective here over these

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next few weeks, with the uncertainty at the quarterback position,

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get that.

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Speaker 2: Run game going. That's got to be the goal.

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Speaker 1: A few of the Oklahoma Soenters is get the run

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game going and then figure things else out from there,

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because it's about to be a gauntlet coming up ahead,

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and that's gonna be the key if Oklahoma is gonna

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be a college football playoff threat, if they're gonna win

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the SEC of the National Championship, the run game has

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to be there, and that's the number one thing they

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can do to help out John Mattier right now.

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Speaker 2: We'll see where things go. Michael Hawkins has experience.

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Speaker 1: We've seen him play decent at times, we've seen him

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play not so great at times. But be that game

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manager like we talked about with Daniel Jones. Run the football,

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play good defense, and that'll be the best thing they

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can do to help out Michael Hawkins as far as

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that goes. But we'll see where the Sooners end up

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going from here. The SEC announced their locked rivalries as

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they go to a nine game schedule, and I gotta

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tell you, I'm okay with what the SEC has done

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with these locked rivalries.

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Speaker 2: It seems pretty balanced.

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Speaker 1: The toughest is for Texas, A and M and Arkansas

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of what they have to go through getting Miszoo, LSU

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and Texas.

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Speaker 2: For those three schools.

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Speaker 1: That isn't ideal, but everybody else I think got it

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pretty good on that front of you know, what they

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were handed, what they had to dealt with with these

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these permanent rivals.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a good system in place.

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Speaker 1: You know, you do miss out on some unprotected rivalries. Uh,

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you know we're not gonna have Alabama LSU anymore. That's

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a shame, but you know, it kind of is what

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it is. You know, you look at some of these

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across the board. Uh, Oklahoma, there's been a lot made

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about their schedule of how they got the short end

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the stick with this tough schedule the first two years

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in their league. Ole Miss, Texas in Missou that's manageable.

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I know Ole Miss and MISSOUO are top two twenty

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five programs right now, but that's not gonna be that

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way forever. Okay, Texas is always going to be a

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tough game. You can you can manage that year in

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and year out. Arkansas getting Lsumazoo in Texas A and

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m also getting LSU Mizoo in Texas.

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Speaker 2: That's that's gonna be a gauntlet year in, year out.

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Speaker 1: I'm much rather be facing Old Miss than I would

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be LSU, and I think that's what Oklahoma's saying to

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themselves Lane Kiffin when he comes out and says, you know, hey,

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why are we playing Oklahoma. We don't have history with them,

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our fan bases have nothing in common. That's not a

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knock in Oklahoma. That's just reality that it's true and

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not everything's gonna be perfect because certain teams want to

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play certain teams. I think it's a better system than

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what the Big Twelve is doing of only having four

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protected rivalries period with the Holy War, the Territorial Cup,

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the Sunflower Showdown, and TCU Baylor. You know we're not

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gonna get Farmageddon every year anymore. That's a shame. This

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is still a better system. You know, Auburn is gonna

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get Alabama and Georgia and Vandy every year. Vandy is improved,

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but you know, we'll see how long that lasts. You know,

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Mississippi State's gonna get Bama and Old Miss every year

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along with Vandy. You know, Old Miss gets their rival

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in Mississippi State. LSU at Oklahoma, I mean, I think

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they the hand they were dealt, they did what they

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could to work with the situation. You protected some of

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the best rivalries with Oklahoma, Texas with uh you know,

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the Iron Bowl with Alabama and Auburn, with Florida Georgia.

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Speaker 2: You protected those things.

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Speaker 1: And I think that for the most part, not everybody's

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gonna be happy, but you did what you could with

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the situation. As far as that goes, it could have

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been a lot worse.

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with.

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Speaker 1: What they did with these protected rivalries. Let's go through

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the slate of games this week and the Big Twelve

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and the SEC will fly through these real quick. Starting tonight,

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TCU and Arizona State TCUs three to zero. Arizona State's

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three and one. Arizona State last week with a game

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winning field goal at Baylor, and it was Heyesius Gomez

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that saved the day. Jesus saved the day for the

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Devils last week TCU, I like what I've seen from Hoover.

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You're going on the road here. I know Arizona State's favored,

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but something tells me about TCU. I like what Hoover

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and TCU were doing. I leaned towards TCU. There, Houston

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takes on Oregon State. Oregon State, it's a bad football team.

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Willie Fritz doing a really good job. They could be

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the Arizona State of this year the Big twelve. I've

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been very impressed with what they're doing and going with

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that program from there. KU takes on Cincinnati on Saturday.

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It's in eleven am kickoff, gonna be a sellout crowd.

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The Jayhawks looked really good last week against West Virginia.

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I expect more of the same from KU. I don't

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think Cincinnati's that great. At two and one, I think

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jayaln Daniels is playing fantastic. I like what they have

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with their their defense. That was the best they've looked

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all year last week against West Virginia. Watch out for

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KU case State taking on UCF. How about Scott Fross's

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team dominating win last week against Bill Belichick in UNC

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at home? Now you travel to Manhattan here. This season

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has gone off the rails for k State at one

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in three. Something still tells me ky State here is

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the team to pick. They're at home. They're still waiting

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for the real KSE State to show up. I like

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KSE State in a close game, Baylor taking out Oklahoma State.

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Baylor's twenty and a half point favorites. Doug Meacham is

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the interim head coach for the Oklahoma State Cowboys. I

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don't think Doug Meacham is a very good coach at all.

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I don't even think he's a very good coordinator. He

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was awful at Kansas a decade ago, and they still

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made him the OC and the interim head coach at

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Oklahoma State.

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Speaker 2: They got a lot of problems Baylor. Their two and two.

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Speaker 1: Their season's not going the way that they had hoped,

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losing games to Auburn and to Arizona State. But I

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don't think they're gonna have any problems with Oklahoma State.

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Utah taking out of West Virginia. West Virginia, you had

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a good showing against Pitt and then you got shellacked

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by Kansas. I mean West Virginia. They're gonna probably find

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their way to five and seven or six and six

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Utah look and get back on track. I think they'll

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get that win on the road, Arizona taking on Iowa State.

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Arizona's sitting there undefeated. I have criticized Brent Brennan a

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lot on this program.

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Speaker 2: That year. Last year, they were one of the.

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Speaker 1: Most disappointing teams in the Big Twelve with Noah Fafida

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and Tedoro McMillan.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot to like about Arizona and they

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did not show up last year. Was staked.

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Speaker 1: That's a good football team, Rocko beck in company. They

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got a lot of talent there. But they're playing everybody close.

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I have every reason to think this would be a

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close game, but I.

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Speaker 2: Was States at home. I lean towards the Cyclones.

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Speaker 1: BYU taking on Colorado, I don't know who the hell

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is playing quarterback for Colorado. Deon can't seem to figure

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that out. BYU Sataki's doing a good job. They're sitting

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at three to zero. I like BYU to get things

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done there with a win on the road in Boulder. Meanwhile,

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in the SEC this week, Notre Dames taking on Arkansas.

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Speaker 2: Could this be curtains for Sam Pittman. I think Notre Dame.

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I know they're one and two, but they don't have

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a bad loss.

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Speaker 1: They lost close games to Miami and in Texas A

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and m carr is getting better at that quarterback position.

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Speaker 2: He's a young guy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think this game is going to be close.

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I think Notre Dame goes in there and inserts their

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will and they have a statement win of sorts. Even

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if Arkansas is not that great, this could be it

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for Sam Pittman and this could be the end of

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the road. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

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And Taylor Green is a good quarterback, That's what's hard

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to figure out about Arkansas. You have the quarterback, but

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you don't really have much beyond that. Vandy four and

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oh Pavia's playing really good. We got to start paying

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attention to Vandy. If we aren't already eighteenth in the country.

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This is the best Fandy team maybe of our lifetimes here, folks,

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they should handle business against Utah State, LSU and Old Miss.

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Wrong team favored here? What have we seen from Ole

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Miss that validates them being thirteenth in the country in

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a one and a half point favorite LSU, they have

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not played to their standard if what we expected coming

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into twenty twenty five. But you still have the best

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player in all of college football at Harold Perkins. Garrett Nussmeyer.

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I'm still waiting to see more from him. I think

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this is the day that LSU has their coming out

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party of sorts. I like them to win this convincingly.

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Texas A and M taking on Auburn. Hugh Free already

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saying that A and M is a better team than Oklahoma.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I like A and M debat Auburn here. I think

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this is a close game, though Jackson Arnold got to

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learn to throw the football. I don't think this is

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the week that happens. I like what Colin Klein is

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doing with that offense with Marcel Reid. I like A

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and M at home, Tennessee taking on Mississippi State. Jeff

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Levy quietly doing a good job there with the Mississippi State.

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They're sitting at four and oh and got a nice

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win against Arizona State. They should be ranked right now.

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I don't know why they're not. Tennessee at three and one.

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If Aguilar can avoid turning the football over, then Tennessee

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can can do something here this season. They can potentially

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make the playoffs. I like Tennessee on the road, Georgia

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taking out Alabama. Bama's looked better since that loss to

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Florida State Week one. Ty Simpson's played very well, but

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George's offense showed me enough in that win against Tennessee.

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And with what they've done with that offense, with how

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they can score. I would be surprised if they lost

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at home to Alabama here. I know Kirby's not that

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good historically, speaking against the Crimson Tide and all that,

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but they are the better team, They're the better coach team.

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Speaker 2: They should win.

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Speaker 1: Missoos should take care of UMass. South Carolina badly needs

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a win against Kentucky. Sellers doesn't look right. I know

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he got banged up a bit Kentucky two and one.

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We'll see, but I think South Carolina's gonna be okay.

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There's your look at the games in the Big twelve

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in the SEC this week.

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Speaker 2: More to come. Kate McFarland Joints is next.

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Speaker 1: He's still working for you even at two News Oklahoma

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and also the Sports Animal. It is our good friend,

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the one and only Oklahoma sportscaster of the year. Cad

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McFarlane is back on the program. What's the again, Cayden.

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We've got a few things to talk about today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's been a bit busy around here. Absolutely

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good to be on with you, Tyler.

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Speaker 1: Always Yes, Cayden, Let's start with the Mike Gundhy News.

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I was visiting family in Tulsa this past week. On

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my way to lunch with my mother and I get

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the notification that Mike Gundy had been fired. In the

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very first thing I did was turned on ninety seven

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to one in the Sports Animal to listen to you

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and coach Pat Jones while I was in my car,

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and I could not believe it. Because Cayden, I think

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that most of us are not surprised that Gundy got fired.

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But it's the timing of this that this all unraveled

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on Tuesday, when they had played on a Friday night

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and had Saturday, Sunday Monday to make this move.

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Speaker 2: Nothing happens Monday.

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Speaker 1: You sit here and assume, Oh, okay, I guess Gundy

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lives to see it another day.

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Speaker 2: In the words of a leak, corso not so fast.

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Speaker 4: My friend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I thought it makes it look like that athletic department

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has no idea what it's doing. I do not believe

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Chad Weiberg's explanation that you know, there's a whole bunch

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of paperwork or you know, ducks to put in a

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row before you actually make this move. I just don't

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believe it. To me, they should have made the move

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on Saturday. If this is what they were thinking. And

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it tells me that Mike probably said something in that

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press conference on Monday that upset the powers that be,

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And what he said in that press conference on Monday

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that's surprised I think a lot of us is. He

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spoke openly and frankly about wanting to be Oklahoma States

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head coach basically for.

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Speaker 3: The duration of his contract.

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Speaker 4: He wanted every dime of that money, if you will,

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And I think that that bothered some people who I'm

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just assuming thought that they had made it clear to

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him that this would be his final season and he

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would maybe have a little bit of leeway to determine

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what that would look like. And his press conference on

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Monday obviously think, oh, I don't want to say gave

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the I was going to say the middle gave him

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the middle finger. That's probably a little crude, but you know,

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basically said nope, we are not on the same page here.

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Speaker 3: Now. I know that there are people, you know, Chad Weiberg.

474
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:17,839
Speaker 4: And his press conference basically denied that Mike was you know,

475
00:27:18,039 --> 00:27:20,079
sort of a not really a report, but just the

476
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,039
conjecture out there that Mike was given the opportunity to

477
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,440
see this season to its conclusion and then would step

478
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,079
aside said that was not an option for Mike. But

479
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,119
that could all be semantics if you just connect the

480
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,640
dots or read the tea leaves. To me, he said

481
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,519
something in that Monday press conference that ended up in

482
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,279
this being a move that was made on Tuesday. Now,

483
00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,359
I will say this, Tyler, and I've said this several

484
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:48,319
times on radio sins. I'm relieved, and I hope that

485
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,599
Mike Gundy's relieved the thought of this legend having to

486
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,960
coach this particular Oklahoma State squad by far the worst

487
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,880
he's ever had for nine more games and maybe not

488
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:03,200
straight losses, which would bring his big twelve losing streak

489
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,440
at what would have been the end of his tenure

490
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:09,000
to eighteen games. I just I couldn't stomach the thought

491
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:12,319
of it. I'm relieved it happened. I think it is

492
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,759
probably the right move, and there's never a good time

493
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,680
for it. It's a painful thing, but in very short

494
00:28:19,839 --> 00:28:23,200
order he'll have a statue up there as long as

495
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,640
he's okay with it. As soon as Mike is ready

496
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,359
to be embraced by this fan base, this fan base

497
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,680
will embrace him because the work he does has done

498
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,279
is exceptional. I've said for years and years, Other than

499
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,880
maybe Nick Saban or Urban Meyer, I don't think anybody

500
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,640
in the country could have done better work in Stillwater,

501
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,920
Oklahoma than what he's done. So he is a legend,

502
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,640
he is a college Football Hall of Famer.

503
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,279
Speaker 3: There's nothing to be ashamed of.

504
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:49,839
Speaker 2: I'd had Bill Snyder, sure.

505
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, sure yeah.

506
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,559
Speaker 4: Bill Snyder in his prime probably could have done something comparable.

507
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:57,640
But you know what I'm saying, there are very few

508
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,920
guys who could have done the job he did over

509
00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:03,920
two decades in Stillwater that should be celebrated. It got

510
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,160
away from him. The reboot was no good at all.

511
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,039
I'm glad I don't have to watch my Gundy coach

512
00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:11,279
this team nine more times.

513
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,759
Speaker 1: The common theme, you know, never a good time. And

514
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,680
you know, Caden, college football's changed so much. There was

515
00:29:20,839 --> 00:29:24,960
this mindset for many years of that, you know, hey,

516
00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:28,480
for your legends, there's a way to do this when

517
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,160
it comes to either letting the season play out or

518
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,599
go out in their own terms and all that. But

519
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,799
I think we're where Chad Weiberg has something right here,

520
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:40,960
is that there is a lot at stake right now.

521
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,240
Twenty thirty is around the corner when these TV contracts

522
00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:47,480
and granted rights are up, and we don't know what

523
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,319
the direction of the sport is going to be. We

524
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:51,920
don't even know what it's going to look like tomorrow,

525
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,880
let alone in twenty thirty. And when you talk about

526
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,680
these conferences and you know this idea of the Super

527
00:29:57,799 --> 00:30:01,720
League and whatever it may be, Oklahoma State cannot be

528
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,279
waiting around. They have to put themselves in their best

529
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:11,279
position to succeed. And if Mike wasn't going to be

530
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:15,079
their answer for the future going forward, just go ahead

531
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:18,400
and rip that band aid off now and get this

532
00:30:18,559 --> 00:30:21,160
thing going. When it comes to this coaching search, and

533
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,759
then when the recruiting process and the transfer portal and

534
00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:28,880
all that, I don't even think Kayden, that they're necessarily

535
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,079
even getting a head start compared to their competition when

536
00:30:32,119 --> 00:30:34,279
it comes to this coaching search. I think this is

537
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:36,920
more about Oklahoma State getting their ducks in a row

538
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:38,519
compared to everybody else here.

539
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's unbecoming that college foot the timeline of a

540
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,839
college football season and to rebuild a program is what

541
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,880
it is. But look, college football has nobody to blame

542
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,440
but itself for this. The transfer that like next year's

543
00:30:56,519 --> 00:31:02,039
rosters will be reshaped in December. Basically by December. You've

544
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:04,680
got to be doing that recruiting now, even though it's

545
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,680
not technically supposed to be done. I think I saw

546
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:11,640
this week that the top seven teams and the portal

547
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,160
rankings from last year are off to a twenty seven

548
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,319
and zero start collectively.

549
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,319
Speaker 3: I think that's what I saw.

550
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 4: You know, Texas Tech, Florida State, those kinds of teams.

551
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,920
Oklahoma State, It's roster right now is by far the

552
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:26,440
worst I have ever seen. They have got to remake

553
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:29,880
that thing radically, and you're gonna do that in the portal.

554
00:31:30,359 --> 00:31:32,200
You need a team that's ready to do that. You

555
00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:34,319
need to do that as soon as you possibly can.

556
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,880
Will see if Oklahoma State can pull it off. But absolutely,

557
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:40,920
if Mike Gundy is not the future of this program,

558
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,119
it is better to cut the even though he's a legend,

559
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,839
even though it's been twenty one years, it's better to

560
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,640
cut him loose now and start working towards the future.

561
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,079
Speaker 3: So yeah, that is a no brainer in my mind.

562
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 4: And I know that a lot of folks, a lot

563
00:31:54,519 --> 00:31:57,319
of old school folks, see that very differently. My co

564
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,200
host Pat Jones certainly sees that very different. Seems to

565
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:05,200
think that it's it's disrespectful, it's unbecoming to treat a

566
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:09,440
legend this way. And I'd simply say, Mike, he made

567
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,839
a ton of money. I mean, he did great work.

568
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:14,920
He is the most consequential cowboy of all time. He

569
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,920
has done more for that program than anybody ever and

570
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,200
it's not even close. But he was well compensated for it.

571
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,519
You know, who knows how much money he made over

572
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:25,680
the course of his career, fifty million dollars. Probably he's

573
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,079
walking away, I think with fifteen here he was, as

574
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,240
they say in The Godfather, this is the life we

575
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:31,880
have chosen.

576
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 3: This is the life he chose.

577
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 4: And so you know, at the end of the day,

578
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,680
when you feel a team like that, it results in

579
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:40,279
being fired. In September, he still gets a ton of

580
00:32:40,359 --> 00:32:44,720
money and will be regarded as the greatest cowboy of

581
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:47,680
all time already is and will be received that way

582
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,640
as soon as he wants to be received that way.

583
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:54,400
So I just I have a hard time trying myself

584
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,240
to sleep over what was an ugly end. I mean,

585
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:00,920
it's one of the what's the quote from the movie cocktail.

586
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:05,920
You know, everything ends badly, otherwise it wouldn't end there.

587
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,599
You go, That's what it is for Oklahoma State.

588
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 3: Myke Gundy. It had to end it some time. I

589
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:11,240
got no problem with it being in September.

590
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you one hundred percent.

591
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:18,559
Speaker 1: So now to find his replacements, you know, there's a

592
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,119
couple of things that are standing in Oklahoma State's way.

593
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,039
Speaker 2: One of the obvious is funding.

594
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: And I hear Oklahoma State people quick to point to

595
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,960
Mike Gundy being the problem of why there wasn't the

596
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,400
nil money that they had hoped for, And there may

597
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,880
be some truth to that, but I don't think that tomorrow,

598
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,960
all of a sudden, we're gonna be talking about Oklahoma

599
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640
State having the money that schools like Texas Tech and

600
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:46,559
Kansas do even within their own league. So that that's

601
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,000
obviously something there. And then you're just trying to rebuild

602
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,640
a roster and you know, put together something to compete

603
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,680
on the football field. Here. Whoever this next coach is, uh,

604
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,000
it's gonna have to be somebody that's in for the

605
00:34:02,039 --> 00:34:04,519
long haul because they got their work cut out for them.

606
00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,000
Mike Gundy is certainly leaving this program a lot better

607
00:34:07,079 --> 00:34:09,920
than he found it. But there's a lot of work.

608
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,519
Speaker 3: To be done. Oh, it's an extreme makeover is needed.

609
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:13,880
You know.

610
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 4: It's interesting you mentioned Kansas, certainly with Texas Tech because

611
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,360
of Cody Campbell and the money that he's willing to commit.

612
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,360
I would certainly say those guys are out in front

613
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,119
of everybody in the Big twelve. I don't know that

614
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,719
Oklahoma State can't get into the same ballpark with you know,

615
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,239
somebody like the University of Kansas. You know what we

616
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,880
had heard in this offseason, and Chad Wiberg referenced it

617
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,840
in his press conference on Tuesday, This is not an

618
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,880
inexpensive roster, even though it has played like it through

619
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,639
three games. They're paying good money to the players this

620
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,480
year and that is a departure from what they had

621
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,280
done in recent years. Got you mentioned that it was

622
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,400
seven million dollars over the course of the last three seasons.

623
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,119
I think, but they've they've upped that a good bit.

624
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,679
And there were some boosters who were so disillusioned with

625
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,119
Mike that they were withholding money. I think that there

626
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,599
is money to tap into now that now that the

627
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:02,960
Gundhi era has come to a close. I'll be very

628
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:05,480
interested to see I don't know the answer quite frankly,

629
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,360
but I'll be very interested as interested to see where

630
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,039
a motivated Oklahoma State ends up in the Big Twelve.

631
00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 3: With regard to the kind of money they're spending.

632
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,079
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess we know they've they've said over

633
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,239
and over again they're gonna opt into the revenue sharing

634
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,400
fully at twenty and a half million dollars in fifteen

635
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:24,000
or sixteen of that'll go to football. So if that's

636
00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:26,480
good enough to be, you know, right up there with

637
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:28,599
the leaders in the Big twelve. It is.

638
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 3: Now that's just saying something.

639
00:35:30,599 --> 00:35:32,639
Speaker 4: Just because you've said it, doesn't mean it's actually happened

640
00:35:32,679 --> 00:35:34,159
and you have the dollars in your hand and you're

641
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:38,039
writing those checks yet. But I do believe Oklahoma State,

642
00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:41,480
Chad Weiberg especially, is determined to do exactly that. So

643
00:35:41,679 --> 00:35:45,679
I think Oklahoma State's gonna play in that that end

644
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,719
of the pool that you know, Texas.

645
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: Tech is out in front of everybody else.

646
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 4: But I think they're gonna get up near the top

647
00:35:50,519 --> 00:35:52,599
of the Big twelve, and they will certainly need to.

648
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,440
To your point, I mean, an extreme makeover is needed.

649
00:35:56,039 --> 00:35:59,079
You know, one thing that's that's interesting to me with

650
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,400
regard to this current moment in college football. Texas Tech

651
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:08,239
was down for about a decade post Mike Leach, you know,

652
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,679
Tommy Tubber, Bill and Cliff Kingsbury, Matt Wells. There was

653
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,199
one disappointment after another, not that it was all bad,

654
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,159
but you know, they were finishing near the bottom of the.

655
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:18,559
Speaker 3: Big twelve year after year.

656
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:23,559
Speaker 4: Oklahoma State, meanwhile, these were their glory days, right, It

657
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:27,199
was a golden age. And because college football got turned

658
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,239
upside down in the nil portal world, it's interesting to

659
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,800
me that Texas Tech was like advantaged by that. They

660
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,519
were in a moment where they were desperate already and

661
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:40,320
they saw the nil portal thing as an opportunity and

662
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,320
they acted as such.

663
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,119
Speaker 3: And Oklahoma State, I think Mike Gundhy especially saw it.

664
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 4: As an annoyance, you know what I mean. And it's

665
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:49,440
hard to blame them because, like what business in America

666
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,880
or anywhere that successful over a long period of time

667
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,719
for fifteen or twenty years is willing to say, you

668
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,000
know what, things are changing a little bit out there.

669
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: How about we just do about face and turn our

670
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:03,360
back on everything.

671
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: That made us successful for the last decade plus and

672
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,519
do things really differently. It's interesting to me that the

673
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:14,519
programs that struggled were motivated enough that it was it

674
00:37:14,679 --> 00:37:17,800
was better that they struggled than it was for you know,

675
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,800
other programs that had had success. In this very unique moment,

676
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,159
Oklahoma State now is in the position Texas Tech was

677
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,760
in before. Like, if you look yourself in the mirror,

678
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,360
you know, we got to change what we're doing. They did,

679
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:32,559
you know, getting rid of Mike Gundy, which was a

680
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,199
hard thing to do. I'm not so sure that the

681
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,639
Cowboys don't have the donors to turn this thing around

682
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,320
in relatively short order, because we have seen that happen

683
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,360
in college football in the portal era.

684
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,119
Speaker 3: So we'll see. I don't think it'll be easy, but

685
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:51,199
I think it can be done. Yeah.

686
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: With that said, who are some of the candidates that

687
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:56,559
come to mind for you that you think would be

688
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:58,320
a potential good fit for the Cowboys.

689
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, all the name teams that are out there and

690
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,039
have been out there for a while are probably worth listening.

691
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:05,639
Speaker 3: At this point.

692
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:09,079
Speaker 4: I do think that there are Oklahoma State people who

693
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,519
really want Zach Robinson. There's no doubt that there are

694
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:14,119
some really important players in this decision makers who have

695
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,440
Zach Robinson at the very top of their list, I

696
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,800
don't necessarily agree. I would rather have somebody who's been

697
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,039
in the college football game for the last several years,

698
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,400
because it's changed so much since Zach played college ball.

699
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: But I get it, man, he's one of yours.

700
00:38:29,639 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: You just had incredible success with the former Cowboy quarterback

701
00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:37,000
who was sharp. Zach is that he's done so well

702
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,039
for himself in the NFL at this young age, should

703
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:41,079
be an offensive coordinator if you.

704
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: Could get him. I think there is a lot to like.

705
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 4: I kind of like somebody who's been in the college

706
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,000
game here more recently throughout the name Ben Arbuckle before

707
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:49,480
he ever.

708
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,159
Speaker 3: Coached a game for the Sooners. You just see it.

709
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,639
I know. He's really really young.

710
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 4: He's not quite at the level I think Lincoln Riley

711
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,480
was when the Sooners promoted him to head coach, but

712
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:02,280
just feels like a really good fit for Stillwater, Texas

713
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:07,119
native gets the region, probably understands that job. The offense,

714
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,719
the quarterbacks. I mean, guy who's coach cam Ward and

715
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:12,199
John Mattier. You feel really good about the most important

716
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:13,360
position on the field.

717
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 3: GJ.

718
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:17,519
Speaker 4: Kenney is maybe an even better candidate that than that,

719
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,440
because of what he's been able to do as a

720
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,039
head coach of both Incarnate Word and Texas State. You know,

721
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:25,880
another Texas native, his dad was a coach down there.

722
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,480
I think that's probably the most important thing those deep

723
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:32,079
Texas recruiting ties. But then also, you know played up

724
00:39:32,079 --> 00:39:35,760
here in the state of Oklahoma at TU SO A

725
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,960
lot of the same names that you've heard bandied about

726
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:40,840
I think are all good. I think there's no shortage

727
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,880
of really interesting names. Alex Golashit at USF, who's done

728
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,559
some good work already this season, was a GA at

729
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:49,320
Oklahoma State years ago. Some of the other guys who

730
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,000
would otherwise be really interesting names like Todd Monkin or

731
00:39:53,039 --> 00:39:54,960
Jim Knowles, and I think both of those guys.

732
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: Could be very interested in the job.

733
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,119
Speaker 4: I think probably just too old for this moment in

734
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,079
college football, and I hate saying that it's unfortunate, but

735
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,840
it feels to me like a prerequisite for this job

736
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,519
needs to be young and energetic. I'm not sure either

737
00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:11,719
one of those guys are a perfect fit at this

738
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,719
moment in college football history. So I like just about

739
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,280
every name I've mentioned for different reasons. If you're asking

740
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,079
me who I like the very most you know at

741
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:24,280
this moment, to me, the betting favorite GJ.

742
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,079
Speaker 3: Kenny, if you could get him and knowing.

743
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: Him a little bit, I think that checks just about

744
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,719
every box. But I think there are other guys who

745
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,360
come close too, So I think I think the Oklahoma

746
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,719
State job is desirable for a lot of reasons. They've

747
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,719
paid Mike really well. I think they'll pay the next

748
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,760
coach well. I do think there are enough donors who

749
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,480
are motivated that you'll have a fighting chance. If you

750
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:48,199
know what you're doing in the portal, you can turn

751
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,400
this thing around in relatively short order. But Gjkenny probably

752
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:53,840
sits in number one for me right now.

753
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: What about what's next for Mike? I know that the

754
00:40:57,559 --> 00:41:01,039
media opportunities are going to be endless withther it's ESPN

755
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:05,039
or Fox or who you name it. He's gonna have

756
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:09,840
plenty of chances there. I know he's been outspoken politically,

757
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,320
and there is a governor election in Oklahoma coming up soon. There's,

758
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,559
of course the chance to get back into coaching, and

759
00:41:17,639 --> 00:41:19,960
I know you've talked to Cale about that. What do

760
00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:23,280
you see what's next for Mike Gundy potentially.

761
00:41:23,679 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's always a little bit of double speak when

762
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,800
it comes to Mike. On media day in Stillwater earlier

763
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,639
this year, right before they started preseason practice, he told

764
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,000
us that after his time at Oklahoma State was done,

765
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,519
he thought he would get into TV, And so I've

766
00:41:37,559 --> 00:41:39,079
had that in the back of my mind for weeks

767
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,800
and then out of nowhere, on the day he's fired,

768
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:45,280
Kal Gundhy tells Brett McMurphy he wants to coach again.

769
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,000
And I heard this from a couple other people in

770
00:41:47,039 --> 00:41:48,559
Stillwater as well when I was down there for the

771
00:41:48,599 --> 00:41:51,280
Whiteberg press conference. He wants to coach again, and I'm

772
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,679
coming with him, is what Cale said. So I don't

773
00:41:53,679 --> 00:41:56,719
know what to make of that. If Gundy decides to

774
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,360
coach again. It's interesting to try and wrap your mind around, Okay,

775
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,880
where Yeah, I mean, typically in coaching, you want to

776
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,880
get the very best job you can, and when you're

777
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,280
a maid man like Gundhy, who probably should be a

778
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,079
college Football Hall of Famer, you would think he'd be

779
00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:15,480
angling for something really high up in the power for

780
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,400
maybe even like a University of Arkansas. Looks like that's

781
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:21,280
probably gonna come open. But I just can't imagine at

782
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,840
age fifty eight. I mean, we saw it at Oklahoma

783
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,440
State that this guy is properly motivated to do it

784
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:31,559
at you know, and let's say the most competitive conference

785
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,519
in the country, like the SEC, you know, the recruiting game,

786
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,519
I just don't see it. There's something to be said

787
00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:39,639
for a fresh start, and I would never bet against

788
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,440
the guy because he is just he is such a

789
00:42:42,559 --> 00:42:45,559
fine coach in so many ways. But like I just

790
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:48,119
said about Todd Monkin and Jim Knowles, I just it's

791
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:49,360
a little too old, you know.

792
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 3: And Tyler.

793
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 4: Actually Jerry Ostrosky, who joins us on The Sports Animal,

794
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:54,599
brought this up just today.

795
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:56,639
Speaker 3: He said, Okay, Mike's gone.

796
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 4: Look at college football right now, the Power four jobs.

797
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: Who's the next guy.

798
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 4: Who's a little bit old school, who's going to be

799
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,400
run off because of the changes in the landscape. And

800
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,199
obviously Dabo Swinney comes to mind, maybe even Kirk Farrence.

801
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,760
But here's here's the takeaway from me, Tyler's I tried

802
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,519
to answer that question and went through the Power for programs.

803
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:20,320
There's almost nobody left and this has happened in almost

804
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,159
no time, you know, Nick Saban resigned just a little

805
00:43:23,199 --> 00:43:27,239
over a year and a half ago. There's almost nobody almost.

806
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,079
If you go through almost every powerful job, the coach

807
00:43:30,119 --> 00:43:34,199
who's there is either pretty young or seems like the

808
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,440
kind of guy who's willing to roll with the nil

809
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,039
transfer portal punches. There's been a purge, you know, in

810
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:42,519
the old school guys, and Mike Gundhy was kind of

811
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,440
a last of the Mohicans, so I almost think he

812
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,559
would settle in kind of like Frank Solich did post

813
00:43:48,679 --> 00:43:51,320
Nebraska and he took the Ohio job and did good

814
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:51,840
work in the.

815
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 3: MAC for a long time.

816
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 4: If Mike really really wants to coach, I almost wondering

817
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,440
if he wouldn't settle in eventually at like a Tulsa something,

818
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:01,320
you know, at that level place regionally where he was

819
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,440
comfortable and in a program where it's not the insane

820
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,480
competitive recruiting landscape that you have in the SEC or

821
00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:12,760
Big ten at one of those really big jobs. Now

822
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:16,840
tu is tough too, because anytime you recruit, you find

823
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,880
and recruit a good player, somebody's gonna steal him from you.

824
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,559
I mean, that's just that's what that is now. So

825
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:28,800
I hope he goes to TV is ultimately the what

826
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,440
I'm coming to with this answer. I think he's a

827
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:34,320
great fit for it. I don't know how or where

828
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,280
ESPN would use him immediately, but I think he would

829
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,159
be good immediately, and I think he would be so

830
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,159
good that he would have the potential. I know that

831
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,679
Nick Saban's sort of in that role now. He would

832
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:47,519
have the potential to kind of be their next league.

833
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,199
Corso I see the personality. I see, you know, just

834
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,599
he's that smart, he's that witty, he's that he's willing

835
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,480
to be silly. I would love to see Mike go

836
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,400
into TV in a big spot and kind of be

837
00:45:00,519 --> 00:45:03,119
groomed for that sort of thing, because I think he

838
00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:05,599
could have a fifteen or twenty year run, make a

839
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,079
ton of money, raise his profile even more, live a

840
00:45:10,159 --> 00:45:13,000
life that's a little more stress free, have some fun

841
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:15,280
with it. I think he'd be great in TV if

842
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,119
he wants to coach, by all means, go at it,

843
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:21,320
do the best he can wherever. I wouldn't bet against him,

844
00:45:21,639 --> 00:45:23,320
but I'm hoping for TV personally.

845
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, TV would be fun.

846
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: And you have to wonder as well, if he gets

847
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,800
back into coaching, what does that mean, for his buyout situation,

848
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,519
would he would that take away his pay? Would he

849
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,679
essentially be working for free somewhere? And you know, one

850
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,119
thing that I thought of was if he doesn't want

851
00:45:41,159 --> 00:45:43,199
to deal with Nil and all that, look at a

852
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,000
guy that was in his own leg for a long time,

853
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:47,679
Bopol and he had a decent run at Youngstown State

854
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:48,360
there for a bit.

855
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:50,639
Speaker 2: Yeah like that.

856
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 1: You know, if you put him at a you know,

857
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,679
like a Lamar or something, you know, something in this area,

858
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,320
you know, I mean, he could do very well there,

859
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,920
make a name for himself, compete with the likes of

860
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:03,920
the North Dakota States of the world or something like

861
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,199
that potentially, So who knows.

862
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I as much as Lamar and.

863
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: Mike Gundy is jarring to here, I actually think there's

864
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,280
a better chance of that than I do. Mike Gundy

865
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,440
takes some big job in the SEC and tries to

866
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,039
go toe to toe with these guys in this landscape.

867
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:20,920
I mean, yeah, I just don't see it.

868
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: There's a world too.

869
00:46:23,039 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 1: I was thinking of game where he follows Bob stoops

870
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,440
and does the TV thing and then coaches in the UFL.

871
00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:30,559
Speaker 2: And in the springtime.

872
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: That pretty good thoughts all the.

873
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 2: Juice they can. Let's bring back bettal on that.

874
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 3: Way pretty good thought.

875
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,559
Speaker 4: Had not considered that, but and I have no idea

876
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:41,400
what Spring league will still be alive come next spring.

877
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 3: But that's that's not a bad thought.

878
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 4: You kind of wait and for Bob stoops, it appears

879
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:49,920
to be a nice way to to scratch that itch competitively.

880
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:53,519
And I'm telling you, if this guy threw himself into TV,

881
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,599
I just don't see how he would be a home run.

882
00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: Higher for ESPN. I think he'd be awesome.

883
00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:04,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's shift gears head to Norman. Now, did doctor

884
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,079
shen fully save John Mittier?

885
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 3: Here?

886
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 4: You know what's so great? I have caught wind of

887
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,840
at least some of that. I get one day off

888
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:15,199
a week.

889
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: This was that day.

890
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 4: I've tried to stay off social media a little more

891
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:23,719
than I typically do, but my goodness, some of that

892
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,039
stuff is funny and it is It's a great reminder

893
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,599
that the University of Oklahoma fan base was more sec

894
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,639
ready than probably most of those folks down in the

895
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:38,800
Southeast thought. And last year's six and seven season kind

896
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,599
of took away their stinger for a little bit, and

897
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:43,119
so they weren't able to showcase it. But this is

898
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:46,199
a big time fan base that loves its team, loves

899
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,239
to have some fun online. Lincoln Riley and the Lincoln

900
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,519
Riley era were a big part of that. What great fun.

901
00:47:55,079 --> 00:47:57,079
There were obviously a lot of really good ones. You know,

902
00:47:57,199 --> 00:47:59,559
Shinn touching the play like a champion today signed, Yes,

903
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,800
probably my favorite just because it's Switzer. Was you know,

904
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,360
Switzer being carried off after the eighty five Orange Bowl

905
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,039
where they won a national championship, and you have Shin's

906
00:48:08,079 --> 00:48:09,320
face in place of Switzers.

907
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,760
Speaker 3: Some good stuff there. Yeah.

908
00:48:12,119 --> 00:48:15,679
Speaker 4: I don't know that I can ever remember a sports

909
00:48:16,119 --> 00:48:20,800
team sending out a press release about an unsuccessful surgery,

910
00:48:21,039 --> 00:48:23,679
so of course you knew it was coming at some point.

911
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,960
Successful surgery for John Mattier there in California. I don't

912
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,440
know if he'll be back for the Texas game. I

913
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,559
think he's gonna make every effort. I wouldn't bet against

914
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:35,159
him even if he misses the Texas game.

915
00:48:35,199 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 3: One. That defense is good enough that with Michael Hawkins junior.

916
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 4: They can beat Texas. And to Tyler and I think

917
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:47,840
you'll agree with this, they are going. It will be

918
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,559
one of those things that's added on to the end

919
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,559
of every argument people make for OU as a playoff

920
00:48:53,559 --> 00:48:55,760
contender if they happen to go let's say nine to

921
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,039
three at the end of the year with the loss

922
00:48:58,079 --> 00:48:58,639
to Texas.

923
00:48:59,079 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, they.

924
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,159
Speaker 4: Bustin Texas, but it was without John Mattier. I mean,

925
00:49:03,199 --> 00:49:05,000
it will be a loss, it will go on the record,

926
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,559
but it won't be like a full loss. It'll be

927
00:49:07,639 --> 00:49:10,480
more like half a loss. That's not the worst thing

928
00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:12,960
in the world to have that card to play at

929
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:14,079
the end of the year. And as you look at

930
00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,920
their schedule now, they're not going to be an underdog

931
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,239
in nearly as many games as we thought preseason. And hey,

932
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,360
they they might find a way to go ten and two,

933
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,800
eleven and one something like that. Anyway, and all of

934
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,719
this will be moot. But I think that this team,

935
00:49:32,119 --> 00:49:37,199
even without John Mattier, is capable of winning in any

936
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,199
one game situation, any game on that.

937
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: Schedule going forward. The defense has been that good.

938
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that defense has been phenomenal.

939
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: I was at the Auburn game this past weekend, Cayden,

940
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:52,079
and you know, looking at that offense, John Mattier is

941
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:55,159
so good, but with a lack of run game there

942
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,119
I wonder, you know, what does that kind of limit

943
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,199
things for Oklahoma when you see their upcoming schedule, how

944
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,239
hard it's about to get. Materier's gonna get back at

945
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,719
some point. Sure, But to me, like I see a

946
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,840
team that looks like they compete, they can compete, but

947
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,199
I wonder how much how far they can go if

948
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:15,639
they don't get this run game figured out.

949
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, the offense has got to get better. There's no

950
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:18,519
question about that.

951
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 4: They're not winning a national championship playing the way they've

952
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:25,800
had to play against Michigan and Auburn. The offensive line

953
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,000
has been banged up, so I think that that offensive

954
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:29,320
line will naturally get better.

955
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 3: How much better can they get? Is, you know an

956
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:32,239
interesting question.

957
00:50:32,679 --> 00:50:35,760
Speaker 4: Their offensive line and its ceiling does not look like

958
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,960
the kind of ceiling that you expect from a national

959
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,519
championship contender. Just when I look around the country at

960
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:42,559
the teams I think are the best, doesn't seem like

961
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:46,239
they quite match up there. Obviously, it appears that they're

962
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,679
not elite at the running back position. If we ever

963
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,440
do see j not you know, healthy both mentally and physically,

964
00:50:53,559 --> 00:50:56,440
version maybe we change out our minds.

965
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: So far, they've been far from elite at the running.

966
00:50:59,559 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 4: Back position and not great at receiver either, But Javanni

967
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,199
Gibson is back in practicing and expected to play against

968
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:08,480
Ken States, So I think that at every single position

969
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,360
they can make some pretty steady improvement offensively, and I

970
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:14,400
don't think they have to come very far.

971
00:51:15,079 --> 00:51:17,519
Speaker 3: If this defense stays healthy and continues to play at.

972
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 4: The level it is, it looks to me like a

973
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,079
top five, maybe even top three defense. And when you've

974
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:26,440
got that going for you, plus John Mattier, at the

975
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:30,239
very least, you're in I'd say just about every game.

976
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:33,480
You know, unless you just lay lay in a you

977
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:36,039
are in every single game. Doesn't guarantee you're gonna win.

978
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,320
It doesn't mean that you're the best team in the country.

979
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,079
But they are in that mix among seven eight to

980
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,480
nine teams at the top because of what that defensive

981
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:47,400
line can do, which is absolutely dominate, and because of

982
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,559
what John Mattier can do, which is mostly not only

983
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:55,079
run Ben Arbuckles offense pretty deftly, but also take plays

984
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,840
that for almost any other quarterback would.

985
00:51:57,719 --> 00:51:58,679
Speaker 3: End up being a negative.

986
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,760
Speaker 4: And now we have to pun and flip that and

987
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,599
make a play out of it, you know, and just

988
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,199
what we saw in the Auburn game where you know,

989
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,280
when the Chips were down and they went down in

990
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:13,239
the fourth quarter, he had the goods. I think he's

991
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,880
that guy. I'm not I'm not gonna sit here and

992
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:16,679
say he's the best quarterback in the country like so

993
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,840
many people. I'm not sure I see him as a

994
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:20,519
Heisman favorite like others have.

995
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:23,199
Speaker 3: But he's really really good.

996
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 4: And when you put him alongside that defense, they are

997
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,079
going to be tough for anybody to beat.

998
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:32,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no question about it.

999
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 1: I love what that defense has done. Our Mason Thomas

1000
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:36,920
looks like a first round pick. To me, I've been

1001
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,280
very impressed with him. I mean, with all that said,

1002
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,119
you know, there was there was a lot of pressure

1003
00:52:42,199 --> 00:52:46,400
on print Vitible's entering twenty twenty five and they've gotten

1004
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:49,599
off to this undefeated start, and we mentioned the schedules

1005
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:51,880
gonna get tougher here. What's kind of your thoughts what

1006
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,719
we've seen from Brent. I would be surprised, Kde at

1007
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,039
this point if this goes off the rails. I think

1008
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:03,440
that we're looking at Brent Vinibles doing at least enough

1009
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:05,920
anyway to be back in twenty twenty six.

1010
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 3: What's say you, Yeah, I'm really happy for him, almost

1011
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:10,199
without question.

1012
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,840
Speaker 4: He's back in twenty six, probably twenty seven. He's given

1013
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,519
himself a new lease on life here. You know, his

1014
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:19,840
most important coaching still lies ahead. Michigan and Auburn are

1015
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,880
good teams, they are not great teams. And both of

1016
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,119
those games were at home, and if those games had

1017
00:53:26,159 --> 00:53:28,320
been played on the road, you know, I'm not so

1018
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,000
sure that they win either one of them. Texas is

1019
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:33,000
going to be a huge game, as it always is.

1020
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:39,039
So we should not be putting together hard, fast opinions.

1021
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:42,000
We should not be writing anything in ink with regard

1022
00:53:42,079 --> 00:53:44,599
to what we think of Brent Vnable's four games into

1023
00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:48,920
this season. But you are beginning to see it, right,

1024
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,800
You're beginning to see it. This defense, and he's done

1025
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,280
this everywhere. I mean, he gets the ultimate benefit of

1026
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,840
the doubt when it comes to defense, going back to

1027
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,000
when he was co defensive coordinator at ou and then

1028
00:53:59,039 --> 00:54:01,119
became the defensive or, and then the work he did

1029
00:54:01,159 --> 00:54:04,079
at Clemson for a decade, this is what this guy does.

1030
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,480
Nobody can match his resume over the last twenty five

1031
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:10,719
years in college football as a defensive coach and he's

1032
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:13,239
doing it again, and this one has the look of,

1033
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:17,280
you know, it's comparable I think some of the National

1034
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,079
championship units he had at Clemson, and they are that

1035
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:25,559
good upfront, and when you've got that box checked, you

1036
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,320
don't need much more than a good quarterback on the

1037
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,079
other side.

1038
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 3: And so you can see the path. Now.

1039
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 4: There are still some questions about in game management and

1040
00:54:35,199 --> 00:54:38,599
you know, the ability to let's say, play with consistency,

1041
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,760
but they've certainly done a better job of that here.

1042
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,599
In twenty twenty five, we'll see what they do against

1043
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:46,599
maybe the toughest back end of the schedule in the

1044
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:50,679
entire country coming down the stretch. But there's no reason

1045
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,800
to knock printvtables at this moment in time. I don't

1046
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,360
know that you need to say he's going to be

1047
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,159
the guy for the next ten or twelve years. He's

1048
00:54:58,159 --> 00:55:00,320
about to go on an unbelievable run. I still have

1049
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,639
to see a little bit more, But mostly I just

1050
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,519
feel really good for him because I think he's a

1051
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:06,760
guy who's about the right things, does it in.

1052
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,639
Speaker 3: The right way. Took his lumps with the two seven lost.

1053
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 4: Seasons in his first three years, and credit to Joe

1054
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,079
Costiglione for sticking with him, for the University of Oklahoma

1055
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,400
for sticking with him and supporting him, you know, coming alongside.

1056
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 3: Even you know, the hiring of Jim Naggy.

1057
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,519
Speaker 4: I'd love to give Brent Bvinnables truth serum and know

1058
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:26,119
exactly what he thought of that.

1059
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:27,320
Speaker 3: And by the way, I think it.

1060
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 4: Is interesting, you know, Brent Bevinnables brought in Ben Rbuckle

1061
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,679
and John Matteer, Jim Naggy brought in Jade Knot and

1062
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,519
not getting on the field early in this season and

1063
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:40,039
them jumping into the top ten with good wins over

1064
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:42,920
Michigan and Auburn. Almost wonder if Brent doesn't take a

1065
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,960
little satisfaction in being able to, you know, sit back

1066
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000
and say to himself, he can't give Jim Naggy much

1067
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,840
credit for this, right, I mean, this is my doing.

1068
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,320
This team that's out on the field that looks like

1069
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,719
a legit playoff or national championship contender.

1070
00:55:57,400 --> 00:55:59,079
Speaker 3: I did this, you know.

1071
00:55:59,159 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: I was able to weather the storm, you know of

1072
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,960
last year's seven lost season. So I feel really good

1073
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,480
for Brent Vnables. I think this season will end up

1074
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:10,920
in the playoffs and ultimately be successful. I don't think

1075
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,840
they're probably good enough to win a national championship. But

1076
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,920
this is one of the rare years in my lifetime

1077
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,800
watching college football, certainly in the last fifteen twenty years,

1078
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,000
where it's more wide open and it will be about

1079
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,199
just which team gets hot in December and January. And

1080
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,880
if this team is healthy and hole on the defensive side,

1081
00:56:31,639 --> 00:56:34,719
they're going to be tough to beat by anybody anywhere.

1082
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:40,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Jayden Odd situation that you brought up, Cayden,

1083
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,639
what's going on there? What have you heard of.

1084
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:48,679
Speaker 1: Why we're not seeing him on the football field hardly

1085
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,920
at all? With all that money he was being paid

1086
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,920
and with his track record at Cal, have you heard

1087
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,960
the intel of what the situation is?

1088
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, solar jury in camp and I'm not

1089
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:00,679
sure what else he might have been nursing.

1090
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,039
Speaker 4: You know, last year, his draft stock really took a

1091
00:57:04,119 --> 00:57:06,440
hit because of the injury he had, I think to

1092
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,599
his ankle, but did injuries that he had, you know,

1093
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,519
last season, and that precipitated the move to OU. And

1094
00:57:13,599 --> 00:57:16,880
I think, you know, especially at the running back position,

1095
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:19,159
where you know that you only have so many carries

1096
00:57:19,199 --> 00:57:21,639
and the shelf life is shorter in the NFL than

1097
00:57:21,679 --> 00:57:24,440
it is for any other position. I think he was

1098
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:28,159
concerned and maybe just did not see his path back

1099
00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,719
onto the field and the timeline for it in quite

1100
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,320
the same way that that Ou coaches did. And you know,

1101
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:37,119
I don't know if that's all water under the bridge at.

1102
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 3: This point or not. When he has had his chances,

1103
00:57:40,599 --> 00:57:42,039
he hasn't made much of an impact.

1104
00:57:42,639 --> 00:57:45,039
Speaker 4: I'm not here to say that that's going to remain

1105
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,639
the case forever. He might end up, you know, the

1106
00:57:47,719 --> 00:57:50,119
Texas game would be a grand time to do it. Frankly,

1107
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,840
he might end up being a guy who helps this

1108
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:56,920
offense graduate to another level in short order. You saw

1109
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,440
what he did just a couple of years ago when

1110
00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:00,639
he was an All Pack twelve running back. I think

1111
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:04,159
it's all still there, and maybe ultimately it's not the

1112
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,159
worst thing in the world that you've been able to

1113
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:09,920
get you a third of the way through the season

1114
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:13,159
with very little tread on the tire from this guy

1115
00:58:13,239 --> 00:58:15,519
who is who is thought to be, I think, your

1116
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:20,239
most talented running back. So I don't know, there's a

1117
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,639
lot of conjecture there. I'm not here to say what

1118
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,360
the situation exactly is or isn't. But I'm certainly not

1119
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:29,719
out on Jade, not at this juncture either. But here's

1120
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:31,559
the thing. Look, if there is reason to be out

1121
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:34,760
on him, either his body is not allowing him to

1122
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,199
do it or his mind just isn't where it needs

1123
00:58:38,239 --> 00:58:40,559
to be to do it. Even if that's the case,

1124
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:45,440
I think that Tory Blaylock probably has enough game. Savior Robinson,

1125
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:49,079
when fully healthy, probably has enough game for this offense

1126
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:50,840
to play better in this running game, to.

1127
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: Be better than what we've seen through four games. Now.

1128
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:55,000
I'm not saying they can be one of the best

1129
00:58:55,079 --> 00:58:57,400
in the country. That's not what I have in mind.

1130
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: But with the running quarterback in John Mattia and in

1131
00:59:00,559 --> 00:59:04,400
an air raid offense, I don't know that they need

1132
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,599
to be that much better than what they've been to

1133
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:11,320
still be a handful for teams. So I think they're

1134
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,920
capable of getting where they need to get to to

1135
00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:17,480
win games in the SEC, you know, and win enough

1136
00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:18,559
games to make the playoffs.

1137
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be a lot of fun to see how

1138
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,000
that plays out with this Oklahoma team. And seems like

1139
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,639
there's some real energy and real juice in this program too.

1140
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,920
That game I was at Saturday was allowed. Us have

1141
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,480
been at Memortgage Stadium in a long time. With how

1142
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:37,719
that all played out, Kin, we mentioned everything going on

1143
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,960
with OU and OSU, This is got to be an

1144
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,519
exciting time for you. Imagine the Thunder getting ready to

1145
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:46,559
start their title defense. You got two top fifty teams

1146
00:59:47,079 --> 00:59:49,920
in the state of Oklahoma in Green Country on the

1147
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,400
high school football side of things.

1148
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 2: So much going on here.

1149
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:56,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, we got Jenks and Bixby going at it in

1150
00:59:56,679 --> 01:00:01,400
the district opener on Friday, which isnumber one versus number two,

1151
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,079
both undefeated teams. I assume they're the two in the

1152
01:00:04,119 --> 01:00:06,199
top fifty national rankings you're talking about.

1153
01:00:06,239 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: We have Thunder Media Day coming on Monday, so that's here.

1154
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,480
NBC is back in the NBA business, and we've got

1155
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:15,480
a handful of Thunder games. You know that we'll be

1156
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:17,599
going to and doing pregame.

1157
01:00:17,239 --> 01:00:20,559
Speaker 4: Shows four So, I honestly, I don't know if there's

1158
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:22,800
a time to compare it to. I mean the Thunder

1159
01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:26,519
NBA champions which in and of itself puts the state

1160
01:00:26,519 --> 01:00:30,599
of Oklahoma athletics scene in a place that it's just

1161
01:00:30,719 --> 01:00:35,320
simply never been. Oklahoma football is suddenly back surging and

1162
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:39,440
back you know, Gundhy being fired as a bummer, but

1163
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:42,800
it's at least interesting and something to talk about. And

1164
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,800
Tulsa beating OSU in Stillwater for the first time since

1165
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,039
nineteen fifty one is interesting.

1166
01:00:48,239 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 3: And Trey Lamb is a guy that you know, makes

1167
01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,320
tu more of a talking point than it's been here

1168
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:56,320
in recent seasons.

1169
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 4: So it's a heck of a fall man, I'm staying.

1170
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,559
I know that may be busier than I want to

1171
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,880
be in a lot of ways, but it's good work.

1172
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 3: It's fun, no question.

1173
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:10,039
Speaker 1: So kayden, I got a free Friday night here, So

1174
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:12,480
you're telling me I need to make my way over

1175
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:14,360
this this Bigsby Jicks game, then.

1176
01:01:14,599 --> 01:01:19,119
Speaker 3: No question, no question. And here's the thing I'm not.

1177
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 4: I'm not going to be that guy who comes up

1178
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:26,239
with Vegas lines for a high school game. But let's

1179
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just say I think most people who watch it would

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have Bixby instilled as a double digit favorite against anybody

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in the state home or away. Yeah, but Jinks has

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an opportunity to surprise some of us, and in different spots.

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Jinks is the team that has been able to rise

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up and play these guys closer than others, even when

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they appear outmanned, they don't appear greatly outmanned. This Jinks

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team has looked good and the running game is really good.

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Riley Kester offensive lineman who's on his way to TU

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Kadie Jones who just decommitted from OSU keewan Son. They

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are feeding him, getting the ball to him more often

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and in more creative ways than they had in the

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previous two seasons. He's a handful, but he's going up

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against a defense that I think is the most star

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studded that Bixby has had, and probably overall this team

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is the best that Lauren Montgomery has had. So Jenks

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even keeping this thing close enough that we can all,

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you know, dream about the possibility of them meeting again

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in the state championship game and it being a really

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close game.

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Speaker 3: That would be fun. James pulling the upset is a

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very different thing.

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Speaker 4: So yes, yeah, you need to get to Jenks and

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look Bixby's entire back seven. It seems like it's going

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to play Big twelve football.

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Speaker 3: Cor Nolan's going.

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Speaker 4: To Texas Tech, McLoughlin was committed to OSU. You've got

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a kid going to West Virginia Presley. Braden Presley was

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committed to OSU maybe still is. They are spectacular on

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the back end, and you know what Bixby is upfront,

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you know, offensive and defensive lines.

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Speaker 3: But James is really good too.

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Speaker 4: You know, and that obviously starts with Katie Jones. And

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they've had good quarterback play as well from Landing Kazars.

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So you know, new head coach and Adam Gaylor, who's

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a defensive guy, and on the other side, Laura Montgomery,

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who's an offensive guy. It's a fun matchup, no question.

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If you're in town, come on down and say hello

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to me.

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Speaker 1: Okay, continuing to work for you and giving us everything

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we need to know. Ked McFarland here on the program

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this week. Kid. Always a pleasure, my friend, when we

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get the chance to catch up plug away where people

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can see everything going on with you on social media

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and Channel two and all that stuff before we go.

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Speaker 4: Then AJH dot com the YouTube page, just search kjrh

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at Kate and MC on Twitter or x. I don't

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do the Instagram thing like I should not yet anyway,

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I'll get there, but all over Twitter active on Twitter

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at Kate and MC give me a follow, and Tyler

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always enjoyed chatting with you.

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Speaker 3: Man appreciate it.