WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:47.479 Oh well, thats a hello and welcome to the show. 2 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:51.759 This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan, 3 00:00:51.880 --> 00:00:55.079 I'm Jacob and today we have a very special guest. 4 00:00:55.200 --> 00:01:01.479 It is Nicks from Stygian Charters. Did I get it? Stigian? 5 00:01:01.960 --> 00:01:03.119 How did I mess that up again? 6 00:01:03.159 --> 00:01:09.120 What is wrong with me? Anyway? Stiggyan Stigy Stidgeon? Why 7 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.680 is that so difficult? I'm so sorry about that, Stygian. 8 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:13.680 It's like, okay, stingy, like stingy? 9 00:01:13.879 --> 00:01:14.959 Do you want to redo that part? 10 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.439 Just no, Let's just keep it going. I mean, hey, 11 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:20.200 people were people, But if you would, can you describe 12 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:22.040 why you came to that name? How you came to 13 00:01:22.079 --> 00:01:22.799 that Yeah. 14 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:25.000 So when I was working on coming up with a 15 00:01:25.079 --> 00:01:28.439 name for my podcast, I was trying to come up 16 00:01:28.439 --> 00:01:32.480 with a concept of taking people or listeners through a 17 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:35.840 dark voyage through dark waters, and I was thinking of 18 00:01:35.920 --> 00:01:39.959 the mythology of the River Styx and Karen, which many 19 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:42.959 people think it's pronounced Charn but pronounced Karen c h 20 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:45.959 r Own, who is the ferryman of the river Sticks. 21 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:48.680 And I just couldn't find a way to make that 22 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:53.079 work for a show. So side note, I'm a fan 23 00:01:53.120 --> 00:01:56.879 of owls before I knew about Bohemian Grove and everything 24 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:59.519 like that. But I've always liked owls. And I was 25 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.599 going through Instagram and it wasn't I'm not subscribed to 26 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:07.200 anything owl related. And this sponsored ad came up about 27 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.280 the Stygian owl. And this is an owl like in 28 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:16.199 South America and Central America, and it's an owl. When 29 00:02:16.639 --> 00:02:19.719 artificial light hits its eyes, it turns red. The eyes 30 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:22.800 turned red, so it was called a Stygian owl. And 31 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.319 the I'm like, well, what does Stigian mean? And I 32 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:29.520 looked it up and it meant dark or pertaining to 33 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:36.319 the river stycks. Wow, that's how Stygean Charters was born. 34 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:40.120 Okay, all right, Well I like a little backstory like that. 35 00:02:40.360 --> 00:02:44.759 I love the symbolism personally, Like I'm huge on symbolism, 36 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:48.039 and so I appreciate somebody who actually, you know, follows 37 00:02:48.080 --> 00:02:50.840 through with that and actually names themselves off of something 38 00:02:50.879 --> 00:02:51.960 like that. That is really cool. 39 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.479 Yeah, bro, it's crazy though, naming the owl. 40 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:56.759 I think about the guy who had originally discovered the 41 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.360 owl and like wrote it in the book Red Eyes. 42 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.719 Clearly the rigid the river sticks is a stitchy now, 43 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:04.639 just because that's wild yep. 44 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:10.000 Yeah, Well that's actually funny too, because you know, uh, well, 45 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:13.800 I'm I'm about to move back to Louisiana. Jacob already 46 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:17.159 lives there, red stick mat and rouge, so it's kind 47 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:20.919 of the same and we go, that's right, that's right. 48 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:24.080 But I thought that that would get like a bigger 49 00:03:24.120 --> 00:03:30.039 Oh yeah, no, I'm just kidding. But anyway, look, speaking 50 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.800 of a red stick, let's talk about that guy with 51 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.199 the red stick. Are we going to be getting into 52 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:39.159 a little bit of Satanism? Uh? Maybe the devil. I 53 00:03:39.199 --> 00:03:43.919 have a feeling you have a quite controversial opinion or 54 00:03:44.439 --> 00:03:45.400 maybe have you on the year. 55 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.400 Sure, I'm sure some of the Satanists out there wouldn't 56 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:51.719 like to hear me speak about some of these things. 57 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:56.280 But you know, I grew up in the eighties and 58 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:00.120 nineties during the height of the Satanic panic, and you know, 59 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:02.919 I remember living through it and everything and then you know, 60 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.280 all of a sudden, oh it's a hoax. It was fake. 61 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.560 It was you know, just moral panic, people overreacting. I 62 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:12.800 mean when we had people like we had police officers 63 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.080 coming into school, you know, talking to kids about that 64 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:18.199 kind of stuff and to be careful, and cops today 65 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:22.800 still maintain that there was weird shit going on. And 66 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.279 even my dad he used to off road in his 67 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:28.720 gep he came across a site where they clearly were 68 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:33.800 sacrificing some type of animals. So, you know, so it 69 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:37.639 aggravates me when people say, oh, well, Satanists are just atheists. 70 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:41.360 There's not just one type of Satanists, just like there's 71 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:44.560 not you know, like there's theistic and non theistic, which 72 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:49.680 we'll get into, but everybody just automatically associates Satanism with 73 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:54.199 either the Church's Satan or the Satanic Temple, and both 74 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:58.279 of them are kind of controversial to begin with because 75 00:04:58.319 --> 00:05:01.000 they say certain things but do differ different things that 76 00:05:01.560 --> 00:05:04.360 make you question what their real motive is. 77 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.480 Yeah, we actually about this go ahead, No, I was 78 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:10.720 gonna say. We actually just did our episode six sixty 79 00:05:10.759 --> 00:05:14.759 six and and it was we covered Satanism in the 80 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:16.959 Church of Satan and all that stuff. You get into 81 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:22.519 the Leaveyian type of Satanism, which they're weird eleven earthly 82 00:05:22.680 --> 00:05:25.639 rules or whatever it was. It was like destroy them 83 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.279 if they're annoying, and it's like, what that's that's strange. 84 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.920 But mostly it's just new age well, I say New 85 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:37.040 Age loosely, uh, humanism, it's worship of oneself because everybody's 86 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:38.800 a god and bump up up, and it's like, okay, 87 00:05:38.839 --> 00:05:42.279 so you're just calling it satanism to be edgy, which like, okay, cool. 88 00:05:42.399 --> 00:05:44.720 As a metal head, I get it, you're doing it 89 00:05:44.759 --> 00:05:46.279 for the optics. 90 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:49.079 But like, there's also those that are worshiping the actual 91 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:51.959 dark Lord and are doing this with the intention of 92 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:55.079 calling upon the evil One and things like that, and 93 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:57.920 then there's all kinds of shades of gray and nuances 94 00:05:58.040 --> 00:05:59.639 and chapters and offshoots and. 95 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:02.480 Subs, you know how humans be, you know. 96 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.120 But I actually have We've had a guy on here before, 97 00:06:05.160 --> 00:06:07.120 and I've had him on Meta Mystery several times my 98 00:06:07.160 --> 00:06:11.399 other podcast. His name is Lord Byron Jester, and he 99 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:14.000 likes to use the He does like a lot of 100 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:16.759 spell work. He's kind of like a wizard, but he 101 00:06:17.079 --> 00:06:19.319 does a lot of spell work, and he includes the 102 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:22.279 demons of the Goetia a lot, like he works with 103 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.560 them a lot. And but I don't think that he 104 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:27.560 describes himself as a Satanist. It's just more of like magic. 105 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:31.560 Didn't he also say he was calling upon the metaphorical demons. 106 00:06:32.600 --> 00:06:34.920 I don't think he said metaphorical. I think it's more 107 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:39.600 of the theymbolic. It's it's like the egregorical versions of 108 00:06:39.639 --> 00:06:41.480 these demons, right, yeah. 109 00:06:41.360 --> 00:06:47.079 I mean I don't think you would necessarily call oh, God, 110 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:50.839 what is his name? Edward Kelly and John? 111 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.120 I would say John D. Damn it, John D. 112 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:57.720 Yes, there it is, Okay, Okay, So I wouldn't necessarily 113 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:01.040 call them Satanists. But I mean you could say they're 114 00:07:01.160 --> 00:07:06.079 messing with dark entities, so it I mean, you know, 115 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.959 so it could be a fine line to walk and everything. 116 00:07:08.959 --> 00:07:14.480 But I wouldn't necessarily call someone a Satanist because they're 117 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:18.959 like channeling entities that might not necessarily be good. 118 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:21.319 Yeah, that's that's kind of how he looks at it. 119 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:24.240 He says that he works with demons and angels within 120 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.839 his magic, and he says, really he likes to work 121 00:07:26.879 --> 00:07:29.639 with demons because they get the job done quicker, whereas 122 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.680 angels they take a little bit longer. If they do 123 00:07:32.759 --> 00:07:36.600 help where demons and it's see this is different, you 124 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:36.920 got it. 125 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.000 Then you gotta think, Okay, well, what are these demons 126 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.040 gonna want in exchange? After doing this? 127 00:07:42.399 --> 00:07:45.720 Well and this is his his talking point. As with 128 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.160 most people within you know, the magic world and magic 129 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:51.560 and spell work and witchcraft and all that kind of stuff, 130 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:54.759 most people will look at it as like they're not 131 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:58.120 looking at it for like the demons that are working 132 00:07:58.160 --> 00:08:02.000 for Satan. It's more so kind of like what it's 133 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:05.120 more like the Gin, Like there's not all cases, not 134 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:07.600 all cases of the Gin are all bad, right. 135 00:08:07.680 --> 00:08:11.480 Right, right? Yeah, I have a friend she would be 136 00:08:11.519 --> 00:08:14.759 great to have on your show. She goes by seven 137 00:08:14.800 --> 00:08:18.600 degrees of wisdom even on your other show, Jonathan. She's 138 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:24.240 a practicing ceremonial magic occultist, and she's very very intelligent, 139 00:08:24.519 --> 00:08:27.680 and she has her own show and I've been on 140 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:29.439 her show a couple times and everything's just going to 141 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:33.480 come on mind. So she's definitely given me additional knowledge 142 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:35.039 and education about the cult. 143 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:39.279 Now, can I ask you, like, what perspective are you 144 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:42.080 coming at this from. I'd just like to kind of 145 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:45.679 set the table here. Not nothing against if you were 146 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.480 an atheist, a Christian, a spiritual person, or any other 147 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:51.120 kind of religion, just I like to understand the perspective 148 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:52.200 in which you're looking at it. 149 00:08:52.600 --> 00:08:55.279 Yeah, I'm actually a Christian, but a non denominational. 150 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:56.600 Same here. 151 00:08:57.279 --> 00:09:02.759 I really organized religion, I don't like you know, at 152 00:09:02.759 --> 00:09:04.440 the end of the day of leave, you know Jesus 153 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:07.559 Christ dying the cross for our sins, and if you 154 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:10.559 accept the most Christ your savior, you know you'll be 155 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:12.799 in heaven with him. So at the end of the day, 156 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:16.000 that's the most important thing. And I just I think 157 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.559 organized religion has become too political nowadays. 158 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:20.559 I can agree more. 159 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:23.320 But with that being said, how did you get into 160 00:09:23.320 --> 00:09:27.200 the realm of digging into occult practices and cult practices 161 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:29.919 and demonology and these types of things, Because I remember 162 00:09:29.960 --> 00:09:33.080 the Satanic scare, right. I was born in nineties and 163 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.679 my mom was a very new convert to Christianity. So 164 00:09:36.720 --> 00:09:39.600 when she jumped in, she jumped in both the first okay, 165 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:41.159 one hundred percent Harry Potter. 166 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:43.200 We reading that film. 167 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:45.399 Up in this house, Like I was a part of 168 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:49.159 that generation where two grades above me they read Harry 169 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:52.080 Potter and the mom's like, damn are threatened to torch 170 00:09:52.120 --> 00:09:54.159 the school almost and then they took it away. 171 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:57.200 So I remember this vibe. So, how and why and 172 00:09:57.240 --> 00:09:59.360 when did you get into this type of study? 173 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.320 So when I was younger, I was scared of the dark. 174 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.399 I you know, the things that I was scared of 175 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:10.799 when I was younger. I started like more chasing as 176 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:13.360 an adult because I wanted to know the like house 177 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:17.480 and the whys. But I remember there was these books 178 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.200 in the eighties, and my mom got suckered into buying 179 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:21.759 some of them. But I remember looking at them when 180 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:23.679 I was a kid. I think it was Time Life 181 00:10:24.279 --> 00:10:26.360 and there was volumes and it was all about like 182 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.559 weird and strange phenomenon and everything, and I remember as 183 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:33.159 a kid, I would start looking in there, and then 184 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:36.240 my curiosity grew. So I started like looking into all 185 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:39.000 these topics, and I think it started with like the 186 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:42.759 paranormal and everything, especially when I found out, like before 187 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.240 I was born, when my dad was still a kid, 188 00:10:45.519 --> 00:10:49.159 his house him and his parents lived in was very haunted. 189 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:54.440 Someone had committed suicide there. So my curiosity grew, and 190 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.440 it first was the paranormal, and then it was like UFOs, 191 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:01.399 and then it was serial killers and crime. I was 192 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.240 a criminal justice major. I did police academy. I didn't 193 00:11:04.279 --> 00:11:07.039 pursue that route necessarily. I mean I kind of did 194 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.360 a little bit, but not as a law enforcement officer. 195 00:11:09.879 --> 00:11:13.120 So and then After that, like you know, I started 196 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.840 listening to podcasts and everything, and I started hearing you know, 197 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.720 talk about the cult and everything, and like I said, 198 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:21.840 I grew up, you know, during the Satanic Panic, and 199 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.559 so I was like, I wanted to dig in more. 200 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.480 And you do see in today's world accult symbolism all 201 00:11:29.519 --> 00:11:35.559 over and especially you know, in entertainment or elites and stuff, 202 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:38.960 and so I wanted to start digging into it and see, 203 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:41.080 you know, what this was all about or what was 204 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:43.200 going on. I had already been through all the other 205 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:47.720 topics and they all still fascinate me, but I like 206 00:11:47.799 --> 00:11:51.000 to be well rounded, and so that's how I started 207 00:11:51.840 --> 00:11:54.159 investigating and researching the occult. 208 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:58.840 Absolutely interesting. See I'm I'm also very interested in researching 209 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:01.480 the occult as well. That's honestly the reason why I 210 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:05.360 created my other podcast, Meta Mysteries, because I kept on 211 00:12:05.759 --> 00:12:08.320 wanting to talk about all the different spiritual aspects and 212 00:12:08.360 --> 00:12:11.440 the occult aspects and magic and witchcraft and all that stuff, 213 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:16.000 just because I not necessarily because like I'm you know, 214 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:18.360 drawn to the darkness or anything like that. 215 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.279 No, yeah, exactly, No. 216 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.440 It's more so, it's more so just out of curiosity. 217 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:25.440 I just want to know, like, all right, is their 218 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:28.360 magic and does it work? Well? I feel like I've 219 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:31.720 pretty much like cemented my opinion on that that absolutely 220 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.159 yes it does. And the same thing with witchcraft and 221 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:36.120 candle magic and all these different forms of magic. 222 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:40.559 Right, intent is a big thing and people don't realize that. 223 00:12:40.879 --> 00:12:43.320 And if you have the right intentions and you know 224 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:47.279 what you're doing, you know you can do things. I mean, 225 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:52.360 this isn't a child's play. So, but have you seen 226 00:12:52.799 --> 00:12:54.519 the movie Dark Song? 227 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:55.679 No? 228 00:12:56.320 --> 00:12:58.799 Okay, I think it's on TV or Plex, but you 229 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:03.039 guys should definitely watch it. It's supposedly the most accurate 230 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:09.519 portrayal of the Abermelon ritual. So, which is the sun 231 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:11.559 in your Guardian Angel? For a wish? 232 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:12.480 I actually have that. 233 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:14.600 I've heard the name. I don't know why I know 234 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:15.120 the name. 235 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.200 I have that book Abramelon the Mage. I think it's 236 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:19.639 called Yes, Yes, Yes. 237 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:24.799 It's like an eight month ritual Crawley try to do it. 238 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.279 But is that the one that he quit halfway and 239 00:13:28.360 --> 00:13:29.519 just left the portal open? 240 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:32.399 Probably fair enough. 241 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:35.399 I couldn't remember what it was I heard. I mean, 242 00:13:35.440 --> 00:13:40.679 it depends on the soul something from what I was 243 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:42.759 told there was one ritual he tried doing that was 244 00:13:42.799 --> 00:13:45.799 like a three day long ritual of like NonStop seventy 245 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:48.240 two hours of chance and incantations and stuff, and he 246 00:13:48.320 --> 00:13:50.960 quit it like two days in and basically just threw 247 00:13:51.039 --> 00:13:51.840 up middle fingers. 248 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:54.360 And that's not a good thing to do. 249 00:13:54.720 --> 00:13:57.279 I haven't heard of the eight Months story yet, although 250 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:59.360 that also sounds like something that he would try. He 251 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:01.279 was very eager go it and thought he was hot 252 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:04.320 shit and then got roundhouse at the Battle of Life Grow, 253 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:05.159 which was awesome. 254 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:05.559 But whatever. 255 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.159 There's so many magical there's so many like magical and 256 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.159 spiritual books that I bought. I have just I'm trying 257 00:14:12.159 --> 00:14:13.960 to get to them. It's just that I got a 258 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.720 whole bookshelf of these books that I've just been collecting 259 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:19.960 over the past year. And but there are some really 260 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:22.399 good ones out there. Like you know, I always talk 261 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:27.039 about my favorite book as dealing like into magic. There 262 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:30.240 was a book that was written I think it was 263 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.279 back in the seventies or eighties, I want to say, 264 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.919 that was called them Agickian and this guy he's like, 265 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:36.759 look like. 266 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:38.720 Forget pretty talk about it before? 267 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.840 Oh yeah, I mean the way I the way he 268 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.200 breaks down magic. It's it is more of like intent driven, 269 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.519 like so much so that whenever you do your magic 270 00:14:49.679 --> 00:14:51.960 or your spell work or anything like that. What he 271 00:14:52.120 --> 00:14:56.039 says is that if you do a magic spell for 272 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.799 a ferrari and you're like yo, at the end of this, 273 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:01.879 there will be a ferrari that shows up in my house, 274 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:03.519 it will be mine one way or another. I will 275 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:07.480 not accept or I will not like, uh not accept 276 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:10.720 and by whatever means it gets to me, right, And 277 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.440 he says, if you if if you don't get that 278 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.799 ferrari to you within however long like a short amount 279 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:19.320 of time, he goes, you just didn't do the spell, right, Like, 280 00:15:19.399 --> 00:15:23.600 that's how hard they believe in that. And I mean, 281 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:25.919 I think you have to have that mentality though within 282 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:28.519 magic like or else. Oh yeah, yeah, it's kind of 283 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:30.960 like the mamba mentality almost, you know, right. 284 00:15:31.080 --> 00:15:35.039 I think intent is probably the most important link. If 285 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.360 you don't have it, it's not going to be successful. 286 00:15:37.919 --> 00:15:40.080 Well, intent and then that's the only thing. 287 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:42.120 Because I've also heard people say that if you set 288 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.799 out like a and this is not to shit on 289 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:48.399 anybody who is practicing magic, I'm speaking on behalf of 290 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.080 ignorance here that as long as you say that you 291 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:54.679 don't allow negative things to speak to you, you don't 292 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.480 allow this to happen. Then like all of a sudden, 293 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:01.200 the spirit realm like listens because evil forces, you know, 294 00:16:01.279 --> 00:16:04.720 will obey rules, because you know how evil forces listen 295 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:06.960 to rules so often and so well and shit. 296 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:10.279 But like, I don't know, But is intent really that important? 297 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:12.080 Oh if I fire a gun at somebody, but I 298 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:14.039 don't intend to kill them, but I do, it doesn't 299 00:16:14.080 --> 00:16:14.879 matter what my intention. 300 00:16:15.159 --> 00:16:18.120 You're talking about the physical world. That's the physical world 301 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:21.000 and the spiritual world too, way different places, Like the 302 00:16:21.080 --> 00:16:22.399 rules are way different. 303 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.399 Okay, let me know one. Then let's say that I 304 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.639 comment on someone's hair. I did not mean it to 305 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:31.799 be insulting, but this person feels so bad about whatever 306 00:16:31.799 --> 00:16:33.480 the hell I said. It sends them into a spiral. 307 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:35.639 That wasn't my intention, But it doesn't fucking matter. 308 00:16:36.120 --> 00:16:39.000 Well, then what would need to happen is it's it's 309 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.200 not about what your intention was, it's about how it 310 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:43.480 affected that person. And now it's up to you. The 311 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:45.799 ball is totally in your court. Are you going to 312 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:48.960 go and apologize because you know they took it the 313 00:16:48.960 --> 00:16:52.440 wrong way or you said it the wrong way. That 314 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.039 that's dude. The magical world is a fucking wild place, 315 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:59.840 and it's really all about, like you, it's about the 316 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:02.600 ca of your character, what's pure in your heart kind of, 317 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:06.480 but it's also about the intention, and it's also about 318 00:17:06.599 --> 00:17:10.640 the faith that you believe that whatever magic spell you're doing, 319 00:17:10.759 --> 00:17:13.079 it will work as long as you've gone through every 320 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.480 single step individually. There's no there cannot be a question. 321 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.759 And so it's it's it's weird to say it, but 322 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:22.279 it is very faith based. 323 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:26.440 It. You know, it always intreased me because you know, 324 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:32.799 Satan Lucifer masqueraded as an angel of light. So you know, 325 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.039 I often think about and you know, like I said, 326 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:39.160 I have a very good friend that practices cerial ammonial magic. 327 00:17:39.960 --> 00:17:45.160 I just wonder what could be being communicated with and 328 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:51.279 you know how even the most advanced practitioner might not 329 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.319 be able to tell. I don't know, but yeah, so 330 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.720 I guess with one thing I always wonder is you know, 331 00:17:59.599 --> 00:18:01.759 how do you you know what you may or may 332 00:18:01.799 --> 00:18:06.039 not be communicating with? Is it masquerading of you know, 333 00:18:06.160 --> 00:18:08.720 an entity of light or darkness? 334 00:18:09.000 --> 00:18:11.279 We see the Ouiji board as a pretty decent example 335 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.519 of that as well. Right now, people of the Christian 336 00:18:15.559 --> 00:18:18.359 faith will immediately say, Wigi boards are evil, don't mess 337 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.359 with them. I am of that belief, but there are 338 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:22.759 others that see it as a means to communicate with 339 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:23.359 the other side. 340 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:25.519 And I'm in the same boat as you. 341 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:28.079 Let's take off the stigma and the filters of whatever 342 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.240 your bias may be. How do you actually know what's 343 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.839 answering you? Because because you said that only good can answer, 344 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:37.359 you get that evil doesn't care about that. 345 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.279 Though, right, And it's not even so much I mean 346 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.880 from a Christian standpoint, I'm coming on this necessarily. It's like, 347 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.920 you know, you don't want to fuck around and find. 348 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.359 Out exactly Yes, agreed, I actually look at it from 349 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:51.880 a much I look at it from a very different 350 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:54.039 standpoint though, And I can't I'm not going to sit 351 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:56.279 here and speak on behalf of all. You know, people 352 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:58.799 are practicing magic or witchcraft or anything like that. This 353 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:02.160 is my level of understanding that the demons don't exist 354 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:04.960 outside of you, that the only place that they do 355 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:10.880 exist is within you. And it's almost like, I mean, uh, 356 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.960 it's like Freddy Krueger right, Like, you kind of got 357 00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:16.400 to believe in him and or at least hear of 358 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.400 him initially right in order for him to start messing 359 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.480 with you. But if you never heard that name, he's 360 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:23.680 never going to attach himself to you. 361 00:19:24.440 --> 00:19:27.359 My demon was not within me when I was five. Brother, 362 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:27.920 It's just me. 363 00:19:28.559 --> 00:19:30.680 Hey, I don't I don't have the answers for everything. 364 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.720 I'm just talking about, like my understanding of how it 365 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.960 is that I think that you're I think it this 366 00:19:37.039 --> 00:19:39.160 is gonna sound woo woo or whatever. This is just 367 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:40.480 the way I look at it. 368 00:19:41.000 --> 00:19:42.920 Of the two of us, you are the resident woo 369 00:19:42.960 --> 00:19:46.160 woo correspondent. I'm the resident sticking the mud correspondent. We 370 00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:46.960 have our roles. 371 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:49.799 Brother, I think that it has something to do that 372 00:19:49.880 --> 00:19:52.319 it plays off of your emotions. And I think that 373 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:54.400 if you're in a negative headspace, I think if you're 374 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:56.839 in a fearful headspace, I think that if maybe you 375 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:58.440 just got done having an argument. 376 00:19:58.319 --> 00:20:00.960 It's like a polargeist in a way. 377 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:04.200 Yeah, I think. And and conversely, I think that if 378 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.839 you're doing magic or playing on the Wigi board, even 379 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:09.279 for that example, I think that if long as long 380 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:11.640 as you've cleared your mind and you said, look, this 381 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:14.400 is just a board and I need to let go 382 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:16.519 of whatever stigma that is attached to it. I see 383 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:18.079 it for what it is. It is a piece of 384 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.319 cardboard and some stickers that are on top of it, 385 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:24.880 and I'm going to use it to connect with spirits 386 00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:27.400 that I'm trying to reach out to. Now. I haven't 387 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:29.359 played with a Wigi board yet. I haven't found anybody 388 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:30.119 that wants to play with me. 389 00:20:30.519 --> 00:20:34.119 But but I feel like you would have a pretty 390 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:35.039 easy time if you. 391 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:37.680 I don't know. I guess I just look at it 392 00:20:37.720 --> 00:20:40.799 a little bit differently. But that is that from what 393 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.160 I understand. That is the common understanding amongst the people 394 00:20:44.160 --> 00:20:46.799 that I've talked to within magic that it's not necessarily 395 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:49.599 that these demons are outside of you. It's not necessarily 396 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.839 because people that are kind of of this, you know, 397 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:56.440 uh state of mind, they believe that these are not 398 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:00.839 actual beings, that it's more of like Eggregor's and Tulpa's 399 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.039 and whatever you believe them to be in that way, 400 00:21:04.960 --> 00:21:05.640 answer so other. 401 00:21:05.640 --> 00:21:08.359 Another movie insertion here? Have you seen the Empty Man? 402 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:09.400 No? 403 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:12.480 Not like Talpa's and Ingurgo wres. It was Okay, but 404 00:21:12.720 --> 00:21:14.599 if you want to see a movie about Talpa and 405 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.559 edgarg Or is the Empty Man is one? And I 406 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:19.319 believe it's on some of the two B andplex free 407 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:20.319 streaming services. 408 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:26.319 Okay, well, while we're on this very thought process, right, 409 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:27.839 me and you were on one side of the fence. 410 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:30.440 Jonathan's staying is more of an egger Gore type of situation. 411 00:21:30.599 --> 00:21:34.000 So what you have found as far as the cult 412 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:37.079 and the O cult and all things in between, is 413 00:21:37.119 --> 00:21:39.279 there kind of a mixture of ideas here? Do they 414 00:21:39.359 --> 00:21:40.680 believe one or versus the other? 415 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:42.119 What have you found? Nixt? 416 00:21:42.200 --> 00:21:45.519 Yeah, so let me bring that up here. So what 417 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:49.119 I'll do you briefly first is kind of define what 418 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.920 the occult is versus the Call, and then I can 419 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.839 explain how they can kind of merge together. So when 420 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:58.599 you think of the Call, you can think of New 421 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:01.920 Age and Satanism and everything like that. But although the 422 00:22:01.960 --> 00:22:04.960 exact definition of the cult in what constituted as a 423 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:11.200 cult practices vary, it typically encompasses esoteric, supernatural, mystical or 424 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.240 magical belief practices are phenomenon. So I think a lot 425 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.359 of us know that in Latin it translates to what 426 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:22.359 is hidden and Ethenic occult topics have traditionally been kept 427 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:25.440 secretive and only available to a select few, so think 428 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:29.279 secret societies. The idea of keeping knowledge of secret was 429 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:31.160 done because they held the belief that it was too 430 00:22:31.279 --> 00:22:35.200 dangerous and powerful in the hands of the uninitiated or unworthy, 431 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:39.000 and in modern popular usage, the term generally applies to 432 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:44.319 subjects such as satanism, dark magic, and demonic summoning, as 433 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:47.839 where from an academic viewpoint, it often applies to subjects 434 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:53.039 such as astrology, alchemy, kabbala, divination, scrying, contacting in summing 435 00:22:53.160 --> 00:22:57.680 angels and demons, ritual magic, certain historical secret societies or 436 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:03.759 mystery cults, hermeticism, ruined talisman, some forms of mississisi, and 437 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:07.519 esoteric religious practices. So you can see that covers a 438 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:14.680 lot of areas. The cult it's a practice, whereas when 439 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.279 we talk about the cal a cult, so a cult 440 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:22.680 is a group or movement held together by a commitment 441 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:27.000 to a chrismatic leader or ideology. They're often associated with 442 00:23:27.079 --> 00:23:31.519 religious practices, but the cult is just a practice. In 443 00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:34.480 a cult, there can be a cult practices. However, not 444 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:43.519 all cults practice the occult, so like the. 445 00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:44.039 The Marine Corps is a cult, but we are not 446 00:23:44.160 --> 00:23:47.640 dabbling in the o cult, right, Or. 447 00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:49.920 You can think about like the jeep people they always 448 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.039 wave to each other, the people that drive jeeps and 449 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:57.240 everything like that. Soies, yeah, I said, the rubber duckies. Yes. Yes. 450 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:02.359 So an example of a cult that was practicing the 451 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:04.319 cult was the Solar I think it was the Solar 452 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:09.640 Temple over. I think it was in Switzerland and Canada 453 00:24:09.680 --> 00:24:12.480 where there's a mass suicide and everything like that. They 454 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.160 had some really weird to call practices and everything. So 455 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:19.480 that would be an example of a cult that practices 456 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:23.480 be a cult or cult practices. So but you can't 457 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:27.640 necessarily I mean maybe they were, but like Charles Manson 458 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.119 and stuff, you couldn't say, you know, they were practicing 459 00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:32.599 the cult. They were, well, they were in some weird 460 00:24:32.640 --> 00:24:35.279 things I guess when they left at the murder scenes 461 00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:38.640 and stuff. But at any rate, that's what it is. 462 00:24:38.680 --> 00:24:42.480 Some cults practice the cult, some don't. Some are extremist 463 00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:46.440 Christians or whatever you know, you like David Koresh and 464 00:24:47.000 --> 00:24:47.720 people like that. 465 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:51.599 So oh, I know tons of non denominational mega churches 466 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:53.599 that are cults by any other name. 467 00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:55.720 Currently operating. I'm with you one hundred percent. 468 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.480 Yeah. So, and that reminded me with you guys being 469 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:02.240 from the Siana was you know, the first season of 470 00:25:02.279 --> 00:25:05.519 True Detective. It's based on a true story the Hosanna Church, 471 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:08.960 Louisiana and stuff, and that's something you know I would 472 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:11.839 cover in a future episode when I start talking about 473 00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:16.319 crimes that have a cult or satanic ties to them. So, 474 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:19.799 but that was a really wild case. I still can't 475 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:22.519 find a show as good as that first season of 476 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:24.960 True Detective. I feel like I'm chasing a dragon on 477 00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:28.400 that one. That was just so phenomenal. That Have you 478 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:29.000 guys seen it? 479 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.359 That Hosanna Church is that from? Is that Hosanna High School? 480 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.920 Ont a band rouge? I don't even know if Hosannah. 481 00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:36.519 Not Hosannah Christian Academy. 482 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:39.440 Oh okay, no, No, that's funny though, isn't it. 483 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:44.400 Yeah, yeah, but there's a Hosannah Church. Yeah. I'm trying 484 00:25:44.400 --> 00:25:46.240 to remember what city that was in, to be honest 485 00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:46.519 with you. 486 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.359 I'm trying to think of the parish it was in, 487 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:50.119 and I feel like it might have started with the 488 00:25:50.160 --> 00:25:53.480 p RC, but I can't remember off the top of my. 489 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:56.279 It went in New Orleans. 490 00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:59.000 It was I know it was Lewis La Monica. That 491 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.440 was Junior, I think was the one that walked into 492 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:08.240 the police station and admitted to richualistically abusing children and 493 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.279 doing rituals like sacrificing cats and stuff like that. 494 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:17.200 Weird shit was in Ponchatula, yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, 495 00:26:17.200 --> 00:26:18.200 it's not too far from here. 496 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.000 As a matter of fact, man, that's where the Strawberry 497 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:21.079 festivals hail it every year. 498 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:22.720 Delicious. 499 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:25.839 I mean, it's a good time. But yeah, there's there's 500 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:27.400 psychos all over the place. 501 00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:31.279 And to your point, that True Detective season, they did 502 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.079 a they did, to my knowledge, they did that story 503 00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:35.839 Justice m hmm. 504 00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:39.039 Yeah, yeah, they'd used a lot of elements from it. 505 00:26:39.079 --> 00:26:39.559 They said. 506 00:26:39.599 --> 00:26:39.680 So. 507 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.440 But because as soon as I found that out, you know, 508 00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:45.680 of course, I'm like on the on the the interwebs, 509 00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:47.400 and I'm like, I have to know more about this, 510 00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:50.960 so and you know, and I read you can find 511 00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:55.519 the court documentation online. It's horrific. Like, I don't encourage 512 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:59.519 anybody who you know, has any past trauma who could 513 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:03.119 trigger or just can be destroyed easily or not good 514 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:04.960 that kind of stuff, because it's really. 515 00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:08.359 Really dark should definitely give a little disclaimer on that one, 516 00:27:08.440 --> 00:27:10.440 like search but at your own para. 517 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.119 Yes, yes, exactly exactly. 518 00:27:13.119 --> 00:27:18.119 I'm trying to remember what year that was. 519 00:27:16.359 --> 00:27:18.519 Early two thousands, I believe. 520 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:20.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I must say it wasn't like that 521 00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:22.119 was back in the gap either. 522 00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:25.680 It was, Yeah, it wasn't. It was the Satanic panic 523 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.480 was supposedly over by then. 524 00:27:27.680 --> 00:27:31.880 So two thousand and five, we even had a even 525 00:27:31.880 --> 00:27:34.200 by my house. We I say, by my house, like 526 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:37.400 you know, so many cities over what's that group that 527 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:38.839 the duggers are? 528 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.000 The Fundies, the fundamental Yeah. 529 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:44.519 Fundamental Mormons or Latter day Scenes Fundamentalist. 530 00:27:44.599 --> 00:27:47.559 Yeah, we had one of those cults out here, and 531 00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:50.079 they got shut down because there were too many cases 532 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:52.920 of like abuse being done from the elders, and not 533 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:55.720 just of a physical and sexual nature, but like of 534 00:27:55.759 --> 00:28:00.279 a very very like ritualistic nature as well. Yeah, they 535 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:01.880 got shut down. I want to say it was like 536 00:28:02.200 --> 00:28:03.920 around the early two thousands as well. 537 00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.640 Have you had Heidi love On from Unfiltered? 538 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:10.640 Heidi is such a homie. We love her. 539 00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:13.720 Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, she's really good with covering not 540 00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:16.200 I mean, I'm sure she knows plenty about the fundamentalist 541 00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:19.319 but just the Mormon Church in general. She's just yeah, 542 00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:20.279 she's incredible. 543 00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.480 So wild people, man, wild people. 544 00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:26.960 Yeah. So you know, there's a lot of these cases, 545 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.559 Like I said, I'll discuss about cases later, you know, 546 00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.440 involving Satanism for instance, like the Hosana church that we 547 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:39.359 just mentioned. But I think you know, the argument is, 548 00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.240 you know, whether this exists or doesn't exist. And there's 549 00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:46.319 a lot of times there's neither evidence that exists or 550 00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.480 it doesn't or there's a lack of evidence which doesn't 551 00:28:49.519 --> 00:28:53.240 prove it doesn't exist, or an individual isn't guilty, evidence 552 00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.839 may exist that hasn't been found, or any evidence may 553 00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.680 have been thoroughly cleaned up or destroyed. So I mean, 554 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:02.920 e CEO. J. Simpson wasn't convicted. Do you really believe 555 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:04.960 he was innocent though? Or was there a lack of 556 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:08.079 evidence and poor arguments made in everything? You can't you 557 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.400 can't say you know with him. 558 00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:13.599 Then goes on to write a book Certainty, then goes 559 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:15.559 on to write a book saying this is what would 560 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.000 happen if I did do it? 561 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.079 Yes, And for the record, anybody who might still be 562 00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:23.240 on the fence about oj Please understand that that entire 563 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.160 situation is used as a case study for new cops 564 00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:28.640 and new detectives and new lawyers on how not to 565 00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.519 handle evidence because of how poorly it was done, step 566 00:29:31.559 --> 00:29:35.039 by step by step. It's understood that that was completely 567 00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.720 a conspiracy. But he still got away with it because 568 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:39.920 the gavel slammed in double jeopardy means that it was 569 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.920 done after that. It's like, just in case anybody's unclear, 570 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:45.400 he absolutely murdered her, but moving on. 571 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.920 Yeah, so, but there would appear to be a general 572 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.799 consensus among legal professionals I've found within researching that one should. 573 00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:58.400 They're encouraged just to stick with the strong and important 574 00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.960 evidence in facts of a case, the ones that will 575 00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:05.559 lead to a conviction. Introducing religion with such controversial beliefs, 576 00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:07.640 along with having to delve into the topic of what 577 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.160 freedom of religion consists of, can muddy the waters and 578 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:16.279 cause moral ambiguity. Adjectivity could be lost among the jurors. 579 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.000 These kind of details are often not publicized, and if 580 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:24.039 you think about it, you think about Dave McGowan's Program 581 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:27.359 to Kill would be a good example. Like everything, there's 582 00:30:27.680 --> 00:30:29.599 things in that book that we never heard that was 583 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:33.839 publicized when these cases were happening, And I think a 584 00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:37.680 lot of the I found in research that they're often 585 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:42.720 encouraged to keep out those aspects. 586 00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:46.319 Yeah, oh yeah, is the people who don't think it's real. 587 00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.759 There are licensed therapists that have to go through special 588 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:55.000 certifications and trainings to be s r A certified Satanic 589 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:58.839 ritual abuse certified, because there's that many cases of people 590 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.720 coming out saying that they or victims of this. If 591 00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.519 there's no credibility to this, why is there actual legal 592 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.880 certifications to specifically handle that's you know. 593 00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:11.279 And for the record, just because I was stating what 594 00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.720 I believe about a lot of this stuff, I also 595 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:17.400 absolutely believe that there is satanic ritual abuse going on. 596 00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:18.519 There's no doubt about it. 597 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:19.880 Right for sure. 598 00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.119 But we're not saying that Lord Byron Jester is doing 599 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.079 these types no hell no, yes. 600 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:29.920 Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think you know, there's whether 601 00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.640 you think the call is bad or not, you know, 602 00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:36.640 that's your own opinion. But I think there's dark practices 603 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:40.720 and light practices, a white magic, black magic like, so 604 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.240 I think you kind of have to look at it 605 00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:45.000 in that regard as well. 606 00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:48.839 Oh absolutely, sin yeah, yeah, for sure. And also, like 607 00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:52.160 I'll say this, it's not always just the people that 608 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.920 are practicing the occult or witchcraft or something like that. 609 00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:58.519 It could be even a religious it could be religiously 610 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:01.400 kind of pushed in a sense, right, Like some people 611 00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.200 will say, you know, like like you've seen movies and 612 00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.079 you've seen people doing things in the name of God 613 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.559 or in the name of Jesus. Meanwhile they're like going 614 00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:12.480 and shooting somebody up. It's like, like God told me this. 615 00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.519 It's like, why hold on, No, he didn't. You got 616 00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.839 something going on in your head and there's something wrong 617 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:19.160 with you. You need to go get checked out. 618 00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:21.880 You heard a voice, but it wasn't the Almighty Homie, 619 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:23.960 I hate to tell you. 620 00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:28.119 Yeah, somebody wanted somebody pretending to be at least right. 621 00:32:28.799 --> 00:32:31.880 So, before I started talking about some of the different 622 00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:36.119 forms of Satanism, I wanted to cover like what non 623 00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.400 theistic and theistic is, because I think this is an 624 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.599 important element to understanding what type of a Satanist you're 625 00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:44.319 dealing with. So I'm just going to read a little 626 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.799 bit about the differences, just so everybody has an understanding 627 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:52.920 going in. So, non theistic is a term covering a 628 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.279 wide range of beliefs, all characterized by lacking belief in 629 00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.519 any God's, rejecting of belief in God's, or deny the 630 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:03.640 existence of any gods. A non theist is a non believer. 631 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:06.759 The definition of non theist is effectively the same as 632 00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:11.039 the definition of atheist. The prefixes A and non mean 633 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:15.279 exactly the same thing. A negative theism means belief in God. 634 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.920 Put them together in both words stand for not believing 635 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.160 in existence of a God or God's. 636 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.960 Soists that are edgy, yeah, like. 637 00:33:25.200 --> 00:33:29.440 More more of a symbol, you know, using the symbology 638 00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:34.240 of satan. So yeah. The Oxford Dictionary defines non theist 639 00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:36.960 as a person who is not a theist. This is 640 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.559 the same as a broad general definition of atheists. Two 641 00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:45.680 labels can be used interchangeably, so we will see both 642 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.079 types in Satanism. And first I'm gonna I like to 643 00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:52.480 call this one. Well, first, I would like to say 644 00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:55.599 the article I got this from I found several years ago. 645 00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:58.799 Her name is Catherine Byer, and it's title from exploring 646 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:02.400 the different branches of Satanism. But the first one is 647 00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:04.920 react to Satanism. And I like to call this like 648 00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:10.800 the teenage angst satanism, so it's also known as adolescent Satanism, 649 00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.519 and it refers to groups of individuals who adopt the 650 00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:18.119 stories of mainstream religion but invert its values. Thus, satan 651 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:21.320 is still evil as defined by Christianity, but one to 652 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.480 be worshiped rather than shund or feared. I think nineteen 653 00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:29.400 eighties adolescens inverting Christianity with gnostic elements inspired by black 654 00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.639 mental Christian scare, property and a role playing games in 655 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.360 horror imagery and engaging in petty crimes. So a lot 656 00:34:36.400 --> 00:34:39.480 of you know, kids back then, you know, dressing in black, 657 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:44.480 you know, wearing like, you know, satanic looking apparel, music, 658 00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:47.199 you know, And it was kind of funny you look 659 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:48.960 back at a lot of the music back then, like 660 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.480 it's not as blatantly satanic as it is today the 661 00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.320 stuff you're seeing today, Like it depended. 662 00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:56.679 On where you're at. 663 00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.639 If you listen to like Slayer, well yeah, their lyrics, 664 00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:02.280 it's they're saying exactly what they mean to say. But 665 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.039 then there were others like, you know, uh, Judas Priest 666 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:13.199 another example of like okay, the name alone, ah, Judas Priest, WHOA. 667 00:35:13.280 --> 00:35:15.400 But then it's like okay, look at what he's talking. 668 00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:16.239 About breaking the law. 669 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.880 Yeah, yes, right, So I like how you're giving that 670 00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.480 distinction between the two. And then the whole metal look 671 00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.920 the emo look, if you will come to find out, 672 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.840 that's Christian based, that's all based in Catholicism. 673 00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.639 Momenta mori, which is the moment of death and the 674 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.199 beauty in death, that whole thing is Catholic. All these 675 00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:38.840 metal vibes. It's crazy, but I see what you're saying here. 676 00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:40.639 It's like that adolescent. 677 00:35:40.400 --> 00:35:43.159 Right and right. And then you have the role playing 678 00:35:43.199 --> 00:35:46.440 games like Dungeon and Dragons like got a huge bad 679 00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:48.800 name like with you know, and it was just a 680 00:35:48.880 --> 00:35:51.480 role playing game, but people took it too seriously and 681 00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.159 you know, stories were coming out, like you know, that 682 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:56.239 was like satanic and stuff. 683 00:35:56.280 --> 00:35:59.320 So yeah, these kids rolled that twenty sided die. Next thing, 684 00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.199 you know, the book showed up like bro, no, he 685 00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:03.239 didn't stop it. 686 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.480 Yeah. There was a movie. I guess it was a 687 00:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.440 TV movie. It was in the eighties. I haven't seen it, 688 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:10.159 but Tom Hanks was in it, and it was called 689 00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:14.760 Monsters in Mazes and it was based off kind of 690 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:16.920 the start of how Dungeon and Dragons was getting a 691 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:19.679 bad name. I guess, I can't remember what college it was. 692 00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:21.400 But these kids would go down in the tunnels and 693 00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:24.320 play like a role playing game. They'd larp and stuff, 694 00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.480 and the story got twisted. But this one kid was 695 00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.880 suicidal and they thought he was down in the tunnels, 696 00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.239 couldn't find him. They found him, like, I think, at 697 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.320 another family member's house or something, or our friends, and 698 00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.079 he did try to commit suicide. He failed it, but 699 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:45.159 later on he was successful. But I can't remember the 700 00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.800 exact details, but that seemed to be the turning point 701 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.000 where Dungeon and dragons started to get a bad name. 702 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.440 And then it kind of just, you know, snowballs from there. 703 00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:57.440 So the culture has shifted, I see what you mean. 704 00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.760 Yeah, yeah, So okay, So the next one we're going 705 00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:04.079 to talk about encompasses the Church of Satan and the 706 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.960 Satanic Satanic Temple. So this would be your non theistic 707 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:11.800 but it's also called rationalistic Satanism, and it's the highly 708 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:15.920 secularized and atheistic type of Satanism. Founded in the nineteen 709 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:19.920 sixties by American author and occultist Anton sand Or Lebay. 710 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.360 He created the Satanic Bible and formed the Church of Satan. 711 00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:29.679 The most well known Satanic organization, Lavaine Satanism is atheistic. 712 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.320 According to Levey, neither God nor Satan are actual beings. 713 00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:37.079 The only God in Lavine Satanism is a Satanists themselves, 714 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:40.119 so again, you know, elevating yourself to the status of 715 00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:44.719 a god instead. Satan is a symbol representing qualities embraced 716 00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.800 by the Satanist. Satanism, defined by Lebay, is a celebration 717 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.360 of the self. It encourages people to seek their own truths, 718 00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:57.000 indulge in desires without fear of social taboos, and perfect 719 00:37:57.159 --> 00:38:01.800 the self. So and the Satanic temple kind of is, 720 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.559 you know, along the same lines. They both claim they're 721 00:38:04.599 --> 00:38:14.039 non theistic, but I have questions naturally, So for instance, well, 722 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:20.639 first of all, much of LaVey's Satanism is plagiarized. That's 723 00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.880 come out that Anson LaVey plagiarized a lot of the 724 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.880 Satanic Bible and his writings. And his daughter, I think 725 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:32.519 it was Zena. She left went to the Temple of Set, 726 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.159 and then she left the Temple of Set started her 727 00:38:35.199 --> 00:38:39.719 own set. So and she, you know, completely said her 728 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.639 father was full shit. 729 00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:44.519 So business though she. 730 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.519 Right right, So and then so with the Satanic Temple 731 00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:57.280 and Lucian Greaves. They have a website called the Gray 732 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:02.639 Faction and they all mental professional, mental health professionals on 733 00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:08.920 blasts that work with SRA victims. If you don't believe 734 00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.599 in Satan, why do you kick. 735 00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:15.000 Right and why would you put on blasts people that 736 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:18.159 are helping trauma victims. Wouldn't that be good even by 737 00:39:18.199 --> 00:39:21.880 your own bullshit brand of humanism Satanism of improving yourself 738 00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:22.840 and perfecting yourself. 739 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:27.760 And but hey, yeah, I mean I had on a 740 00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:33.000 month or so ago, doctor Colin Ross, and he works 741 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:36.920 with trauma victims, the i D victims, this Associated Identity 742 00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:43.000 disorder and SRA victims, and he's had encounters with Lucian Greaves. 743 00:39:43.320 --> 00:39:45.800 So like you know, being an ass. 744 00:39:45.480 --> 00:39:49.079 So wow, this is this is interesting. This this is 745 00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:52.639 that website. But it says Gray Faction is an educational 746 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:56.480 and advocacy organization whose mission is to protect mental health 747 00:39:56.480 --> 00:40:00.800 patients and their families from dangerous pseudoscience and discredit therapies, 748 00:40:01.079 --> 00:40:05.679 particularly in the area of so called repressed memories. And 749 00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.599 then it goes on to say, look at this shit, dude. 750 00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:13.440 It says Gray Faction researches and exposes conspiracy therapists, licensed 751 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:19.360 mental health professionals who propagate, debunk Satanic ritual abuse, hysteria, 752 00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.280 and related conspiracy theories. Gray Faction aims to improve the 753 00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:28.400 mental health field by assisting in eliminating pseudoscience and unfounded conspiracism. 754 00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:34.400 Conspiracism accomplished by appealing to institutions such as professional licensing 755 00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:38.440 boards and the American Psychological Association. Conspiracy theories through the 756 00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.280 nineteen eighties and nineties led to irrational fears of the 757 00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:46.760 existence of Satanic cults that perpetrated horrific crimes. Some licensed 758 00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:51.639 therapists capitalized on these narratives and exploited their patients by 759 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:57.000 pressuring them to confabulate false memories under hypnosis. This era 760 00:40:57.159 --> 00:41:01.480 of profuse conspiracy, known as the Satanic has left harmful 761 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.599 roots in our society which still persist today. Damn, they 762 00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:05.480 don't believe in none of that. 763 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.800 And we have so many cases of like where it 764 00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:11.119 actually was come to light, cops had to be involved, 765 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.559 and like all of this happened where no, no, it 766 00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.440 was in fact Satanic ritual abuse being done. This isn't 767 00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.239 a question, this is an hypothetical caught in the act 768 00:41:20.320 --> 00:41:24.320 in certain cases. But sure, sure, great faction. Y'all are just. 769 00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.679 Calling out happened all over the world, not just like 770 00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.599 the United States. And there's another you know, like the 771 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.440 UK's had like convictions and stuff. And the thing is, 772 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:34.800 I'm like, looking at this, I'm like, who the fucks 773 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.039 said you were mental health professionals? How are you to 774 00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.599 determine whether these people are, you know, doing their job 775 00:41:40.760 --> 00:41:43.880 or what their their practice is, is you know, genuine 776 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:44.840 and effective? 777 00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:45.440 Good point. 778 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.320 Learn that about Satanists too. They think they are smart 779 00:41:48.360 --> 00:41:53.199 as shit. They think that they know just what's going on. 780 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:57.119 It's like, bro, okay, first of all, take yourself down 781 00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.880 to Pegger two. Okay, I get it. 782 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:02.599 I just pushing Greaves just like the way he is. 783 00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.480 He gets under my skin and it's like he got 784 00:42:04.519 --> 00:42:07.119 he's got that like weird looking eye and stuff. And 785 00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.400 I read something. I forget what happened to the eye, 786 00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:12.000 but I read at first he didn't like talking about it. 787 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.320 I'm like, dude, you lost the fucking contact. Just get 788 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:15.719 a new pair, Like, come. 789 00:42:15.639 --> 00:42:20.880 On, I don't want to talk about the eye. Conscious eyes. 790 00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:23.920 So and the other problem I have and I am 791 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:27.400 not taking this from a political angle, but they are 792 00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:32.599 trying to pass laws for abortion to be a legalized 793 00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:35.480 ritual for them, and they said, it's an empowerment ritual. 794 00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:39.280 You know, most women that have to have an abortion, 795 00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:43.239 they don't go into it thinking, oh, I'm going to 796 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:44.559 have an empowerment ritual. 797 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.920 You know, nobody that parenthood definitely looks at it that way. 798 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:54.079 So, I mean, it's it's whether woman is for or 799 00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:57.519 against abortion. If she has to have an abortion, it's traumatizing. 800 00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.760 So like, I don't I think I can think of 801 00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:04.199 plenty of other ways that you can empower yourself. Then 802 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:06.519 being like, you know what I'm gonna do make myself 803 00:43:06.559 --> 00:43:08.639 feel empowered today, I'm gonna go get an abortion. 804 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.719 See that this, John, I know that's gonna that's that's 805 00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:14.920 raising a massive red flag for you too. I know 806 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.239 because we have had multiple guests come on the show 807 00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.159 talking about how these types of Satanic groups will actually 808 00:43:21.239 --> 00:43:24.400 perform abortions as a part as excuse me, as a 809 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.440 part of a ritual. Now, we have had a. 810 00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:29.920 Guest come on saying that at one point in time 811 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:33.639 he helped perform somewhere around four hundred abortions. 812 00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:36.360 For this, I don't know if this is true. And verified. 813 00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.880 We who knows, But my point is that we know 814 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:41.719 for sure that groups are doing this for that purpose. 815 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.559 This Gray Faction is trying to push to make that 816 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.280 legally a. 817 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.440 Ritual murdering and unborn for that. Like, yeah, I don't 818 00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:53.079 know that it's still a game to some people. It's 819 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.039 still a metaphor to some people. I don't. 820 00:43:55.079 --> 00:43:57.519 I think it's the Gray Faction, but it's still the 821 00:43:57.559 --> 00:44:00.960 Satanic Temple. So but yes, so they're trying to have 822 00:44:01.079 --> 00:44:04.840 you seen the movie Nefarious, Uh, the one where. 823 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:08.159 He's in jail. I saw snippets. I haven't sat and 824 00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:08.920 watched the whole show. 825 00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:09.880 Oh you got to see that. 826 00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:11.000 I've heard. It's amazing. 827 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:15.159 It is amazing, and it does abortion in Moloch does 828 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:18.760 come up, which is super interesting and stuff. So yes, 829 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:22.280 excellent movie. Definitely recommended if you guys haven't seen it. 830 00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.679 You know, for the last episode we did, for the 831 00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:27.360 six six sixth one we saw there was a video 832 00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:29.480 back in the eighties where this woman went on to 833 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.400 Oprah and she was sharing her say, her sra like 834 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:36.639 experience and she was saying like, look my family, I 835 00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:41.599 mean her family was Jewish, but they were parading themselves 836 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.920 as you know, just very good people, very good Jewish 837 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:46.960 people that wouldn't hurt a fly and all that kind 838 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:49.719 of stuff. Meanwhile, what's going on inside the house is 839 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.199 that they're raping their their daughters and the mother and 840 00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:55.280 everybody else that they can really get their hands on. 841 00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.679 They're raping them. Not so much because they're just perverts. 842 00:44:58.719 --> 00:45:01.679 It's more so they I want to impregnate these people. 843 00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:05.239 That way they can sacrifice the babies and possibly harvest 844 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.719 the organs. But this woman was talking about she goes, yeah, 845 00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:10.440 I've been raped so many times. I've you know, I've 846 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:13.239 I've had to I've had to even eat parts of 847 00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.000 my baby. And you hear that, like that's that's sick, 848 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.079 and it's discussing. But it's more than just one case, Like. 849 00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:22.039 It's it's crazy as a real thing, dude, absolutely, for 850 00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:26.480 they're breeding farms for this purpose, right, It's. 851 00:45:26.159 --> 00:45:29.400 It's discusseding island. Was probably she was Jewish. There's going 852 00:45:29.440 --> 00:45:31.159 to be people that throw it out. Oh well, you know, 853 00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:33.679 it's like, yo, would you listen to what she's saying, 854 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:34.000 you know. 855 00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:34.480 What I mean? 856 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.039 I would venture to say it was probably. 857 00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.159 It's the same thing they were hiding behind Christianity, like 858 00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.519 you know, I mean the perfect place for like people 859 00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:49.639 to be hiding behind would be Judaism or Islam or something, 860 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:53.719 because you know, those are very very very protected nowadays, 861 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:56.079 more so than some other religions. And I'm not going 862 00:45:56.159 --> 00:45:58.360 to get into a political debate about that, but I 863 00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.519 feel like there's some that are much more off limits 864 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:05.559 than others, like for people to attack or to criticize. 865 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:07.760 Oh, if you even say anything about the Jews, you're 866 00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:11.400 an anti semi. That's how protected they are. It is crazy, 867 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:14.159 the level of like protection it is. And it's not 868 00:46:14.239 --> 00:46:17.239 even just in this country or in Israel, it's literally worldwide. 869 00:46:17.440 --> 00:46:20.239 They're talking about up in Where was that that we 870 00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:22.639 just read that Either they're about to pass a bill 871 00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:26.519 or they already did to where if you say anything 872 00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.760 anti Semitic, they can just send you to jail. And 873 00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.360 so that that's the level of protection that there is. 874 00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:37.000 New York, California, some bullshit like that. Maybe Oregon, Washington. 875 00:46:37.119 --> 00:46:38.760 I think it might be Cali. Actually, how did you 876 00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:39.119 say that? 877 00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.159 Oh, Jonathan, Yeah, I forgot to tell you. On short 878 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:47.639 tangent here, my great grandparents were occultist. They were Theosophists. 879 00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:54.119 And if you know anything about theosophy, Polina Blovotski, yes Leblaski. 880 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.280 So that was pre World War two and they started 881 00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:03.159 using the swastika in theosophy. Now this was before the 882 00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.159 Nazi's got a hold of it or anything. So my grandpa, 883 00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.360 he was orphaned at the age I think it was 884 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.320 thirteen or fifteen. And I do have this on my 885 00:47:11.400 --> 00:47:15.599 Instagram and my extra Twitter page, a video of it. 886 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:19.079 When they died, his family came and cleared out the house. 887 00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:22.480 They wanted nothing to do with him, and he became 888 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:25.400 a ward of the state. He found a black book 889 00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:28.400 underneath their bed, his parents' bed, that his family took 890 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:30.119 away from him. They said it was like the Devil's 891 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.079 book or something, but he did find I think my 892 00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:34.800 mom said it was found on a floorboard. It was 893 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:39.039 a locket and it had his mother's maiden name initial, 894 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:42.719 so it was before she was married to his father. 895 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:46.320 And my grandpa was born in nineteen twenty seven. He 896 00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:48.679 fought in World War two, so this shows you it's 897 00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:50.559 before World War two. So on the inside of the 898 00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.360 locket there was the picture of the great grandma, great grandpa, 899 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:57.280 and on the back it's a swasika and black stones. 900 00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.400 But that's a Hindu in Eastern symbol of all of 901 00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:03.480 the good and virtue things. 902 00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:06.599 Right right, so and it also you also know that 903 00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.559 it wasn't if you know what you're talking about. When 904 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:12.800 it comes to the swastika and stuff, the Nazis they 905 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:19.440 tilted it counterclockwise. This is sitting flush. So but yeah, 906 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:22.800 like it was weird. My family went, we knew it 907 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:26.320 was a Hindu symbol, but had I not started researching 908 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.280 into the cult, we would have never known that they 909 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:30.559 were Theosophists. 910 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:34.519 I mean, look, there's there's power in all symbols, and 911 00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.159 it's the way I look at symbols. I'mna be real 912 00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:39.559 with you. I think that, and you can see it 913 00:48:39.599 --> 00:48:44.599 all throughout Christianity and Satanism. That symbolism is. It's powerful. 914 00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:47.400 And I honestly see all symbols as the force. I 915 00:48:47.440 --> 00:48:49.480 know that sounds corny or whatever, like from Star Wars. 916 00:48:49.559 --> 00:48:52.199 I think that it is the force. It's a force, 917 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:54.480 like you know you can a force. 918 00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:55.320 I like that you can. 919 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.800 Take charging a sigil almost exactly. 920 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.280 So, like you already know that the cross has a 921 00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.360 lot of power. There's a lot of people that that 922 00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:04.519 that you know, believe in that, that have died for that, 923 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:07.440 for their beliefs and everything, so you'd already know that 924 00:49:07.440 --> 00:49:10.119 that thing is powered up. So if you wanted to 925 00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:13.480 take that and give it the old reciprocal and turn 926 00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:16.679 that bad boy upside down like, there's still gonna be 927 00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:18.559 power in it. Which is why I believe that the 928 00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.000 if there is a devil, if there is Satan, it 929 00:49:21.039 --> 00:49:23.599 would be using an upside down cross. That that checks 930 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:24.960 out to me, you know. 931 00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:27.599 But what's funny about the upside down cross, and I 932 00:49:27.639 --> 00:49:31.039 think this is the joke on Satanist. The upside down 933 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:33.880 cross was the cross of Peter. 934 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:34.199 Peter. 935 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.079 Yeah, he asked to be crucified upside down because he 936 00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.760 didn't think he was worthy enough to be crucified right 937 00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:42.320 side up like Jesus Christ. 938 00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:46.960 So technically his bones that they now built the Vatican 939 00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:51.360 because they found his allegedly found the skeleton underneath Nero 940 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:55.000 Circus which is now the Vatican, and he had cut 941 00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:56.480 the feet cut off because they had to hurry up 942 00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:58.119 and cut him off the cross before his body was 943 00:49:58.199 --> 00:49:59.400 drugg through the streets. It's the whole thing. 944 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.559 Yeah, So it's almost like they're using a symbol that's 945 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.159 saying I'm not worthy like Jesus Christ, so chokes on them. 946 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:11.559 And speaking of the Vatican, I have a lot of 947 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:15.280 research on the Vatican, and I know a lot of 948 00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:18.719 I have many Catholic friends and family, and I love 949 00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:23.280 them dearly. But going down these rabbit holes, there's a 950 00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.199 lot of religious syncretism and you see a lot of 951 00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:30.159 paganism that was you know, adopted into the Catholic Church. 952 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:34.199 So that's another interesting topic for another day though. 953 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.320 One hundred percent. I mean even just going back to 954 00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.559 you know, the the fifteen, the sixteen, seventeen hundreds, it 955 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.320 was trying to get everybody to convert to Christianity, so 956 00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:48.119 you would you would like take certain modalities of paganism 957 00:50:48.159 --> 00:50:50.159 and you'd be like, look, we got that too. You 958 00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.559 can still celebrate on December twenty fifth. We'll just say 959 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.599 that it was Jesus' birthday. You know, you you celebrate 960 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:56.559 from whatever you want. 961 00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.719 It was Saturnalia and Sol Invictus and stuff like that. 962 00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:03.880 Jesus was supposedly probably born around like September because the 963 00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.880 shepherds wouldn't have been in the fields with their flocks 964 00:51:07.440 --> 00:51:07.920 at night. 965 00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:12.239 Yeah, we've heard September eleventh. Some people suggest that it 966 00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.840 was possibly September eleventh, and other people will actually say 967 00:51:16.159 --> 00:51:19.480 that it was April Fool's Day and like April first, 968 00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:23.000 and that's why they're leave it to America to take 969 00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:27.280 Jesus' birthday and say you're a fool on this day, right, right, right, right? 970 00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:30.519 Could be I don't know, we know for sure, somewhere 971 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.320 between spring and fall, but we'd certainly know it was 972 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:36.000 not winter, that's yeah. 973 00:51:36.199 --> 00:51:40.400 So I mean we know that Antonommbay was very much 974 00:51:40.480 --> 00:51:44.039 a showman and everything very theatrical. I think he even 975 00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:47.239 like worked in the circus before he got to where 976 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:50.360 he was at. But I heard something that was interesting 977 00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:52.760 and I didn't know and I'm not gonna I don't 978 00:51:52.760 --> 00:51:55.360 know why opening my windows on my computer starts slowing 979 00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:59.320 everything else down. But there's something. Do you guys know 980 00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:03.920 what Mando films are. They're like, you know, many Faces 981 00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:09.119 of Death and all like they kind of exploit humanity 982 00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:14.840 in certain ways and stuff like that. So there cinitly 983 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:21.400 with the Long Island serial killer Rex Humorman. He was 984 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.400 into some really weird sick shit and so is his daughter, 985 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:27.960 and they were talking about how like she like all 986 00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.719 the art she was posting and stuff like of cannibalism 987 00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:35.360 and everything. I didn't even know. There is a pornography 988 00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:41.719 called hardbore, which is cannibal like cannibalism pornography. I know. Yeah, yeah, 989 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:42.800 it's called hard. 990 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:45.440 Wore b o r e ye hard bore. And then 991 00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.360 there's another one for but we're not gonna go there. 992 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:51.039 Let's just say this. 993 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.280 The dark Web is real, and if you can imagine it, 994 00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:56.599 there's a porn about it. And that's as deep and 995 00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.079 as dark as your imagination is willing to let you go. 996 00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:01.280 And I promise you it's even deeper than that. 997 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:03.039 Dude, you want to you want me to fuck you 998 00:53:03.119 --> 00:53:04.599 up here for I'm sorry, not fuck you up, but 999 00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:06.920 fuck Jacob. I'll just I'd just like to give you 1000 00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.239 this information, but I'm married. I can't do that. I'm 1001 00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:16.960 just but there was all right, cool, cool, Uh there's this. 1002 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:20.119 I just learned about this today and it was you 1003 00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:22.480 know how little kids they'll get on you know, the 1004 00:53:22.519 --> 00:53:24.639 tablet or their parents' phones or whatever, and they'll just 1005 00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.719 start kind of like doom scrolling across reels, whether it's 1006 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.559 Facebook or or YouTube or TikTok or whatever, right, Well, 1007 00:53:32.639 --> 00:53:36.639 and what they did was supposedly there is this group 1008 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:40.079 of people that found all of these horrific things that 1009 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:43.840 were being done on the dark web, right, like ritualistic 1010 00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.679 killings and murder, like satanic shit, right, And what they 1011 00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:52.480 did was is that they like pumped that video information 1012 00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:56.719 into an AI, and that AI created that same exact 1013 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.880 scene with minions, and it's like the little kids are 1014 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:03.480 watching it on minuons and it's just like these minions 1015 00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:05.920 are just like fucking each other and they're killing each 1016 00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:08.000 other and they're chopping body parts off and all this 1017 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.920 crazy stuff. But it's showing up on the kid's algorithm. 1018 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:13.679 So that was actually a show that I thought about doing, 1019 00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:15.599 like as a side hustle, or not a side hustle, 1020 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.400 but like a side show, like a little tangent that 1021 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.559 we would do. But I don't know. I just wanted 1022 00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.440 to mention that because I feel like that kind of 1023 00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:24.599 pertains what we're talking about. 1024 00:54:23.519 --> 00:54:27.079 Dude, AI is absolutely in that same ballpark, because now 1025 00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.519 it's gonna be like, Oh, don't worry, that's that's not 1026 00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.800 a child porn, that's just an AI image. It's not real. 1027 00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:36.280 It's a computer image. You see what I'm saying. It's like, oh, oh, 1028 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:38.480 so where do we let that line blur? Oh, it's 1029 00:54:38.480 --> 00:54:41.639 not a snuff film. That's not an actual snuff film. 1030 00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:46.280 It's minions gutting each other. Like, no, no, where where 1031 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:47.719 do we draw that line? 1032 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:51.360 Dude? It is sick, like the things that people get 1033 00:54:51.400 --> 00:54:54.400 off to, like and especially giving those videos to kids. 1034 00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:55.840 It's like like. 1035 00:54:56.119 --> 00:54:59.360 I just look at the stuff that's you know, been 1036 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.599 you know, thrown at us that's considered art, like Marina 1037 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:06.920 Abramovich stuff like yeah, and I found even some more 1038 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.320 like horrific art like that makes her looks tame. But 1039 00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:12.360 people get away with it because. 1040 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:16.480 It's art exactly, because who can tell what the limits 1041 00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:20.679 of artistic expression are. And it's like no, no, yeah, 1042 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:21.480 I'll be that asshole. 1043 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:24.440 That's the We've talked about it before, Like the art 1044 00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:28.960 that's in John Podesta's house, right, like the weird shit 1045 00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:33.840 that's being re enacted. The scorpion. It was a Dahmer thing, 1046 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:34.360 wasn't it. 1047 00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:34.679 Yeah? 1048 00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:39.599 Yeah, the arch the back, Yeah, it's a capitated head. 1049 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:41.920 I mean that's something I would love to have in 1050 00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:44.079 my house, hanging above you know, my stairs. 1051 00:55:44.199 --> 00:55:45.320 Why wouldn't you know. 1052 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.519 Didn't Michael Jackson have a Hitler statue or something like 1053 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:50.920 that too, I'm not sure. 1054 00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.079 Oh there was like a shrine to Hitler, I thought, 1055 00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:54.639 or something crazy, right. 1056 00:55:55.199 --> 00:55:57.559 Yeah, because again, that's that's what we need in our homes. 1057 00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.000 Well, Dahmer was building a Satanic altered like well, he 1058 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:04.519 had like layouts or blueprints and stuff like that. He 1059 00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.400 was going to make, you know, out of bones. But 1060 00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.519 that doesn't get publicized very often. But that was a real. 1061 00:56:09.320 --> 00:56:12.880 Thing because that leads more credence to the whole Satanism thing, 1062 00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:16.039 which like, oh, well he's not really Yeah. 1063 00:56:15.559 --> 00:56:20.760 And he was obsessed with The Exorcist three so and. 1064 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.840 I haven't seen it. Was there something specific about that 1065 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:25.199 that's dom or esque. 1066 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:30.719 I don't know that he If you watched the Netflix series, 1067 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:34.760 it showed he would watch it like, you know, consistently 1068 00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.760 and obsessively, and you know, his victims saw he'd sit 1069 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:42.000 and rock back and forth and watch it like real weird, 1070 00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:44.719 real weird shit. Jesus. 1071 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:47.599 Yeah. Yeah. 1072 00:56:47.639 --> 00:56:50.920 So to the point we're making earlier, the the internet 1073 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.079 is a horrible place if you allow it to be. 1074 00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:58.079 AI is absolutely fire that people don't necessarily always know 1075 00:56:58.159 --> 00:57:00.800 what they're playing with as far as that goes, Yeah, 1076 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:02.280 and uh yeah, the. 1077 00:57:02.199 --> 00:57:07.519 SRA things are real and they are really out there. 1078 00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:13.880 So why bring this up with Rex Humor's daughter and him? 1079 00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.800 They found in the house a book it was called 1080 00:57:18.440 --> 00:57:23.840 it's called Death Scenes, a homicide detective scrapbook by Jack Huddleston, 1081 00:57:24.719 --> 00:57:27.920 and I think it came out like in the forties 1082 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.440 and it's all these pictures this detective like compiled together 1083 00:57:31.480 --> 00:57:36.519 of like these perfic mutilated like homicide, you know, victims 1084 00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:41.280 of homicide, body or whatever. So and the attorney that 1085 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.920 was talking about it that's representing the victims said, this 1086 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.920 is a book that's kind of big within like the 1087 00:57:47.920 --> 00:57:53.079 Satanic community, and I'm like, that's weird, like okay. So 1088 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:58.360 and then I found out that there was a Mondo 1089 00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:02.880 film created about it and Anson Levey actually narrated it, 1090 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.320 which would make sense why the book became a big thing. 1091 00:58:05.760 --> 00:58:06.000 Wow. 1092 00:58:06.480 --> 00:58:10.679 But the film was Death Scenes by a film by 1093 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:16.719 Nick Bogas bou Gas and Levey narrated it. So that 1094 00:58:16.840 --> 00:58:20.960 again that just shows like a really dark nature that's 1095 00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:27.159 underlying all of this. So wow. Yeah, whether it's you know, 1096 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.840 surface level or when you get higher up, who knows. 1097 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:35.239 I mean, but it does seem like there's things, even 1098 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:39.599 with these non theistic or rationalistic Satanists that don't quite 1099 00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:42.320 add up right right. 1100 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:45.960 And for anybody that's wondering, you know what all encompasses 1101 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:47.639 a mondo film, I'm just going to read it off 1102 00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:50.320 a Wikipedia how they describe it, because I actually never 1103 00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:52.599 heard of that term before you here, did I? Yeah, 1104 00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:57.039 but it says Mondo film is a subgenre of exploitive 1105 00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:00.639 documentary films. Many Mondo films are made in a way 1106 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:05.719 to resemble a pseudo documentary, and usually depicting sensational topics, senses, 1107 00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:10.400 or situations. Common traits of mondo films include portrayals of 1108 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:15.400 foreign cultures which have drawn accusations to ethnocentrism or racism, 1109 00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.679 an emphasis on taboo subjects such as death and sex, 1110 00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:24.880 and stage sequences presented as genuine documentary footage. Over time, 1111 00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:28.280 the films have placed increasing emphasis on footage of the 1112 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.199 dead and dying, both real and fake. The term mondo 1113 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:37.119 is Italian for world, and the term shockumentary is also 1114 00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:39.880 used to describe the genre shockumentary. 1115 00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.639 Wow, okay, yeah, it was something I had never heard 1116 00:59:43.679 --> 00:59:45.480 of either. I was like, man, I can learn it. 1117 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:49.320 There's like pornography called Harbore about cannibalism, and there's these 1118 00:59:49.400 --> 00:59:50.679 mondo films and stuff. 1119 00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:53.679 I'm like, Jesus, people are just fucked up, man. 1120 00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:56.599 I mean, you gotta and I need to be that 1121 00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:58.679 guy to bring up something horrible. But like again, the 1122 00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:01.679 duggers brought them up earlier. You could look at the 1123 01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:02.440 oldest brother. 1124 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:06.400 The type of horrible material that he was looking up 1125 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:10.079 was the mutilation of six months and younger infants. That's 1126 01:00:10.119 --> 01:00:11.159 what he was getting off to. 1127 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:14.480 And I don't Yeah, and again your imagination can go 1128 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.760 into what you want as far as what mutilation means, 1129 01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.599 but like, yeah, it's it is horrible, and there's some 1130 01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:22.400 there's some sick fuck out there that's trying to say 1131 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:26.000 that was an artistic expression. And at that point, I 1132 01:00:26.159 --> 01:00:29.280 call that person unhuman and should be skull dragged. 1133 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:29.719 That's just me. 1134 01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:33.599 Yep, No, one hundred percent agree, one hundred percent agree. 1135 01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.840 So yeah, it's just things don't add up when they 1136 01:00:37.840 --> 01:00:42.239 claim they're non theistic with some of the behavior and 1137 01:00:42.679 --> 01:00:45.760 beliefs they have that say differently. 1138 01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:49.599 So and also like the term non theistic, but calling 1139 01:00:49.639 --> 01:00:52.760 yourself a god, can you even be atheistic if you're 1140 01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:53.760 calling yourself a god. 1141 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.400 Yeah, that's a good point. That's another good point, you know, 1142 01:00:56.679 --> 01:00:59.760 Like it's just like things just aren't adding up. 1143 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:04.360 That Satanists are so silly mm hmm and retarded. 1144 01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.079 They don't make sense. They're retarded. They're not silly, Like 1145 01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:07.920 that's just dumb. 1146 01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:12.760 So I'm gonna see if I can open this real 1147 01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.440 quick without like my internet going crazy. I don't know. 1148 01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:20.679 But again, that's like the non Theis Satanists right now. 1149 01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:23.519 I personally may have my own opinions about. 1150 01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:25.760 The worshippers of the dark Lord type of Satanists, but like, 1151 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.480 at least the pieces can put I could put them 1152 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.519 together in my head, I at least can see why 1153 01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:33.559 one plus one would equal to I might question why 1154 01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:35.679 they started doing that math in the first place, and 1155 01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.760 like that is a conversation I want to have, right, 1156 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.800 But at least I get what their goal is and 1157 01:01:40.840 --> 01:01:44.639 I understand who and what they're talking to, and I 1158 01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:49.079 get it. The non Theis Satanist types, I've never understood it. 1159 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:51.920 Just call yourself a humanist, just. 1160 01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:55.840 Calling you know, I don't know, edgy angsty little humanist. 1161 01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:56.280 I don't know. 1162 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:59.800 Oh, dude. And going back to Dahmer, because I feel 1163 01:01:59.840 --> 01:02:02.239 like I had heard that he was into that Exorcist, 1164 01:02:02.320 --> 01:02:03.880 like in the the I didn't know it was the 1165 01:02:03.880 --> 01:02:08.119 third one, but it says that he watched it two 1166 01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:12.800 to three times a week for six straight months. And 1167 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.320 and the person that got away the member, because there 1168 01:02:15.360 --> 01:02:17.519 was one person in the series anyway that got away. 1169 01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.400 It says the man Dahmer tried to kill, who ended 1170 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:23.920 up escaping and persuading skeptical police to go to Dahmer's 1171 01:02:24.000 --> 01:02:28.000 terrible smelling apartment, testified at Dahmer's trial in nineteen ninety 1172 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.480 two that Dahmer did indeed force him to watch The 1173 01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:36.920 Exorcist three. So wow, like getting ready to prime your 1174 01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.320 meat and you want that meat to Oh, that's fucked up. 1175 01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.480 I haven't seen The Exorcist three myself, but I know 1176 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:47.480 the demon in it is called Gemini, so I do know. 1177 01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:51.960 A little two face Yeah, so interesting, weird shit. 1178 01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:55.920 I mean, I've never seen those because I I love 1179 01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.039 horror movies, but I love the slasher films, you know 1180 01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.840 what I mean, the the stuff that is based in 1181 01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:05.119 actual Satanism or based on true stories thereof. And Da 1182 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:08.239 da da and I can't fuck with it because I 1183 01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:11.119 believe that that shit actually does carry a spirit of 1184 01:03:11.159 --> 01:03:14.719 that type of stuff with it, and with my past 1185 01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:15.239 and everything. 1186 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.159 It's like, you know, I acknowledge it's real. 1187 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:20.039 I don't need to watch it for some sort of weird, 1188 01:03:20.079 --> 01:03:24.440 twisted entertainment. I'd rather watch Jason next. Just slice motherfucker. 1189 01:03:24.599 --> 01:03:25.320 That's good shit. 1190 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:26.599 You know, you know what. 1191 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:32.079 Creeped me out? And I saw it after I'd listened 1192 01:03:32.079 --> 01:03:35.159 to podcasts, you know, do you cult it was Eyes 1193 01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:39.320 Wide Shut? Oh yeah, creeps me out, knowing what I 1194 01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:44.280 know now, and the fact that they insinuated child trafficking 1195 01:03:44.440 --> 01:03:48.920 in it makes me wonder if the cut footage actually 1196 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.760 you know, went more into in depth into that. 1197 01:03:53.239 --> 01:03:56.920 There's people that came out and the diddy shit came 1198 01:03:56.960 --> 01:03:59.400 out that Eyes Wide Shut movies got a little different 1199 01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:01.039 taste in a lot of people's mouths these days. 1200 01:04:01.039 --> 01:04:03.280 Well, there's people that say that that was Kubrick's way 1201 01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:07.320 of whistleblowing and because he ended up dying right after that, and. 1202 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:10.840 They cut out twenty seven minutes of the movie, the 1203 01:04:10.960 --> 01:04:13.519 final cut as missing damn near was I was either 1204 01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:15.519 seventeen or twenty seven something like that. But a huge 1205 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:18.880 chunk and it's gone. No one knows about what was 1206 01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:19.280 in it. 1207 01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:22.280 The actors that acted in it apparently will never speak 1208 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:23.440 on it or they keep playing this. 1209 01:04:23.480 --> 01:04:25.679 Oh, I mean, who can tell, you know, it's a movie. 1210 01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:27.519 Who knows which one you're talking about. 1211 01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:31.679 But there's a lot of open minded, third eye, all 1212 01:04:31.679 --> 01:04:34.039 the way open people that would say that that might 1213 01:04:34.039 --> 01:04:37.199 have been a very critical seventeen to twenty seven minutes. 1214 01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:41.599 Yeah, and Leu leive Sovietski's character in it, like you 1215 01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:43.440 don't you don't hear her say, but if you have 1216 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:46.320 close caption on, she tells Tom Cruise in the costume 1217 01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:50.320 shop he needs an ermine cloak, insinuating she's been there. 1218 01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:53.400 And then she had those customers that she was entertaining 1219 01:04:53.440 --> 01:04:55.960 behind her dad's back, which he got mad about, probably 1220 01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:59.639 because he wanted to profit, not her. And then at 1221 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:04.639 the end and you have their daughter being going off 1222 01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:06.559 with the two men at the beginning of the movie 1223 01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:11.280 that we're at the Christmas party. So you know, for me, 1224 01:05:11.719 --> 01:05:16.679 that seems like they were insinuating. And I really do 1225 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:20.400 feel like some of that missing footage probably you know, 1226 01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:24.199 you know, gave further credence. 1227 01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:27.519 To that or show what might have gone happened next. 1228 01:05:27.400 --> 01:05:31.960 In that run exactly. And when I have doctor Colin 1229 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:34.920 ross on he was on Sam's show, and I know 1230 01:05:35.039 --> 01:05:39.559 Sam wanted like a like a concrete answer about like 1231 01:05:39.840 --> 01:05:43.480 satanic Ritchell Brusin He's like, you know, you know, we 1232 01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:45.639 can't say it does or it doesn't because we haven't 1233 01:05:45.880 --> 01:05:48.559 had a strong enough evidence or whatever to say. But 1234 01:05:48.639 --> 01:05:52.159 he's like, I have I treat victims. I work with victims, 1235 01:05:52.559 --> 01:05:58.679 you know, And he said he definitely think Epstein was 1236 01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:02.719 involved in a cult between that temple and like that 1237 01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:09.280 kind of like labyrinth looking in his New Mexico Zora 1238 01:06:09.400 --> 01:06:10.400 ranch yep. 1239 01:06:10.760 --> 01:06:13.159 Yeah. Well, and and also you know, not a lot 1240 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:15.280 of people talk about it, but there was tunnels underneath 1241 01:06:15.280 --> 01:06:18.119 Epscene island, like under his house. There were tunnels down there. 1242 01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:21.599 I've heard right, right, And so who knows what he was. 1243 01:06:22.039 --> 01:06:25.320 Looking tennis court like that that was really suspicious. And 1244 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:27.519 then how it looked on I was looking at it 1245 01:06:27.599 --> 01:06:30.440 like before and after, and it like had like these 1246 01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:33.599 high mound walls around it, and then like it looked 1247 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.400 worked on Google Earth like something like seemed to be 1248 01:06:36.480 --> 01:06:39.719 like covered up there or something like don't don't know. 1249 01:06:39.920 --> 01:06:42.440 I don't I'll never understand how they can just get 1250 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:45.119 away with blurring shit out on Google Earth, you know, 1251 01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.400 like I mean, yeah, it's Google, but who is paying Google? 1252 01:06:49.559 --> 01:06:51.800 Is Google doing it on their own terms? You know, 1253 01:06:52.039 --> 01:06:54.199 like that stuff that gets like blurred out, It's like 1254 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:56.400 it's just so sketchy, dude. 1255 01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:02.119 And you were talking about us earlier and everything. When 1256 01:07:02.199 --> 01:07:05.679 I was I was probably six or seven, like, we 1257 01:07:05.679 --> 01:07:08.440 would go visit my grandparents every summer in Tennessee and 1258 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:12.280 they lived they lived on the border of like Western 1259 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:17.639 Tennessee and North Carolina. And we went to Vanderbilt Biltmore 1260 01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:24.880 Estate in was it ash ash ash, North Carolina. Yeah, so, 1261 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:27.880 and I remember in there and we went down into 1262 01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:30.119 the pool area and I was only, like I said, 1263 01:07:30.119 --> 01:07:31.880 six or seven. It creeped me out. I'm like, this 1264 01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:33.880 is weird. And then the fire alarm went off and 1265 01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:35.639 it like really freaked me out. And I always thought 1266 01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:38.239 that pool was weird. And then you know they've made 1267 01:07:38.320 --> 01:07:41.519 taught like you know the connection that that one art 1268 01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:47.400 depiction looks like Anderson Cooper in the pool at the 1269 01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:51.760 Biltmore estate and it's weird because like the pool is 1270 01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:55.920 in a basement and they like had to, like, you know, 1271 01:07:56.280 --> 01:07:58.440 bring water, and how do you drain it? Though I couldn't. 1272 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:00.679 There's no drain to list day, and I'm still trying 1273 01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:02.440 to find like how it drains. 1274 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:04.239 Do you have to pump it out? Like you have 1275 01:08:04.239 --> 01:08:05.960 to have a pump at ground level and pump it 1276 01:08:06.000 --> 01:08:06.880 out to like the sewer. 1277 01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:09.800 Oh, that's okay, it's weird. And who puts a pool 1278 01:08:09.800 --> 01:08:10.480 in a basement? 1279 01:08:11.599 --> 01:08:13.760 I mean, I'm trying to think because I've seen movies 1280 01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:16.760 where they have like, oh, the old pool in the basement, 1281 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:18.760 and that seems to be a thing. But like, unless 1282 01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:21.359 you're built on a hill or like in a mountain, 1283 01:08:21.399 --> 01:08:23.520 maybe I could I could see that maybe they had 1284 01:08:23.520 --> 01:08:24.159 to drain out. 1285 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:26.760 But like even still, I kind of always thought that 1286 01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:30.000 was just like a movie trope. I never, uh, what 1287 01:08:30.199 --> 01:08:30.720 was that one? 1288 01:08:31.239 --> 01:08:34.359 All right, y'all ever seen It's a Wonderful Life? Yes, 1289 01:08:35.039 --> 01:08:37.399 all right, it's the Christmas Time movie and if you know, 1290 01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:40.199 Mary belated Christmas to everybody. But there's a scene where 1291 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.720 they're dancing in the school gym and the gym floor 1292 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:44.119 opens up and there's a. 1293 01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:48.880 Pool undernea the war and all the stuff. They're very 1294 01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.479 young and whatever. But I'm thinking, like, first of all, 1295 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:55.000 this is based in the thirties or the twenties, and 1296 01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:58.880 I'm like, what high school gymnasium had a basketball court 1297 01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:02.159 that floor could move out to an Olympic sized swimming pool? 1298 01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:04.800 Was that just a thing the high school's had back then? 1299 01:09:04.920 --> 01:09:09.840 And it's like, I'm not sure if that's right, but 1300 01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:11.960 that's what I'm saying. I don't know how much of that. 1301 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:14.239 The pool in the basement is like a movie thing 1302 01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.079 versus a real thing. So I'm with you on this, right. 1303 01:09:16.960 --> 01:09:22.920 Right, right. So the next I'm going to talk about 1304 01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:26.600 is theistic or esoteric Satanism, and we're going to talk 1305 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:28.720 about the Temple of Set because they kind of fall 1306 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:31.880 on this. And I'm going to read two things about 1307 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:35.479 the Temple set to give people a general understanding, because 1308 01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:39.600 i think both descriptions help give you the idea of 1309 01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:43.279 what the Temple set was about, which is Michael Achino. 1310 01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:46.880 Me y'all know about Michael Aquino and his you know, 1311 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:52.119 high ranking in the army and the psychological warfare and 1312 01:09:52.159 --> 01:10:00.119 then the presidio and the child abuse allegation, which one 1313 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.159 of those things like you know, he might not have 1314 01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:07.279 been convicted, but that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty, so right, 1315 01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:11.119 So in nineteen seventy four, Michael Aquino, a member of 1316 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.199 the hierarchy of the Church of Satan, and Lilith Sinclair, 1317 01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:17.520 a group leader or a grot up master, broke away 1318 01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:21.359 from the Church of Satanon on philosophical grounds and formed 1319 01:10:21.359 --> 01:10:24.560 the splinter group Temple Set. So I do know that 1320 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:28.880 Aquino left the Church of Satan because he kind of 1321 01:10:28.920 --> 01:10:32.119 started seeing it like as a running joke and Tom 1322 01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:34.479 mvay was a showman. He was interested in making money. 1323 01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:38.920 People could then buy their you know, to level up 1324 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:43.399 in the Church of Satan, and he wasn't cool with that. 1325 01:10:43.560 --> 01:10:46.640 So he's like, I'm out this. This is more you know, 1326 01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:53.960 theatrical and paying for your level isn't cool. So he 1327 01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:58.479 moved on and formed the Temple of Set and the 1328 01:10:58.520 --> 01:11:02.279 resulting theistic Satanism practitioners recognized the existence of one or 1329 01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:05.479 more supernatural beings. The major god, viewed as a father 1330 01:11:05.680 --> 01:11:08.680 or older brother, is often called Satan, but some groups 1331 01:11:08.720 --> 01:11:11.520 identify the leader as a version of the ancient Egyptian 1332 01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:14.760 god Set. Set is a spiritual entity based on the 1333 01:11:14.800 --> 01:11:20.079 ancient Egyptian notion of expert translated as self improvement or 1334 01:11:20.119 --> 01:11:24.000 self creation. Regardless of the being or beings in charge, 1335 01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:27.119 none of them resemble the Christian Satan. Instead, they are 1336 01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:33.600 beings which have the same general qualities as the symbolic Satan, sexuality, pleasure, strength, 1337 01:11:33.760 --> 01:11:39.399 and rebellion against Western moors. So that's the first one, 1338 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:40.840 and then the second one I want to touch on 1339 01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:43.279 briefly because I feel like this really does tie it 1340 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:46.520 all together, is that the attemple Set was established in 1341 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.119 the United States in nineteen seventy five by A Quino 1342 01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:52.840 and he was an American political scientist, military officer, and 1343 01:11:52.840 --> 01:11:56.319 a high ranking member of Antline Leavey's Churches Satan, which 1344 01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:59.920 we just covered. Dissatisfied with the direction in which Leavey 1345 01:12:00.000 --> 01:12:02.520 he was taking the church, Aquino design and, according his 1346 01:12:02.640 --> 01:12:06.239 own claim, embarked on a ritual to invoke Satan, who 1347 01:12:06.279 --> 01:12:08.880 revealed to him a sacred text called the Book of 1348 01:12:09.000 --> 01:12:12.840 Coming forth by Night. According to Aquino, in this work, 1349 01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:16.199 Satan revealed his true name to that of Set, which 1350 01:12:16.239 --> 01:12:19.159 had been the name used by his followers in ancient Egypt. 1351 01:12:19.720 --> 01:12:22.920 Aquino is joined in establishing the temple by a number 1352 01:12:23.000 --> 01:12:27.399 of other dissatisfied members of Avey's Church, and seeing various 1353 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:32.039 Stepthian groups were established across the United States. Settin's believed 1354 01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:34.680 that set is the one real God and that he 1355 01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:39.239 has aided humanity by giving them a questioning intellect the 1356 01:12:39.640 --> 01:12:45.840 quote black flame unquote, which distinguishes them from other animal species. 1357 01:12:46.319 --> 01:12:48.800 Seta is held in high esteem as a teacher whose 1358 01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:51.760 example is to be emulated, but he is not worshiped 1359 01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:56.520 as a deity. Highly individualistic in basis, the temple promotes 1360 01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:00.479 the idea that practitioners should seek self deification, seeing this 1361 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:04.439 three occurring theme of you know, become a god, yourself 1362 01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:09.079 and self de vacation and thus attain an immortality of consciousness. 1363 01:13:09.279 --> 01:13:12.119 Setings believe in the existence of magic as a force 1364 01:13:12.159 --> 01:13:15.479 which can be manipulated through ritual However, the nature of 1365 01:13:15.479 --> 01:13:18.920 these rituals is not prescribed by the Temple. Specifically, a 1366 01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:23.720 quinot describes Setin practices as black magic, a term which 1367 01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:31.560 he defines idiosyncretistically. So again it seems like whoa, he's 1368 01:13:31.600 --> 01:13:35.000 not Satan, but he kind of is, And we don't 1369 01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.680 really worship him, but we kind of do, and we're 1370 01:13:37.720 --> 01:13:42.479 into like making ourselves gods and everything. But at the 1371 01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:45.760 same time, I mean he went and summoned Satan, he said, 1372 01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:51.359 and he said, Set is Satan. So it's it's all condoluted. 1373 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:53.199 As normal, very much. 1374 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:58.720 The Egyptian pantheon of gods is very interesting, uh set 1375 01:13:59.039 --> 01:14:01.920 If for those of y'all who don't know, he and 1376 01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.920 his uncle Horace got into it one day and long 1377 01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:09.000 story short, he ejaculated on some cabbage. His uncle ate it, 1378 01:14:09.039 --> 01:14:13.640 which gave him power over him, and from that spawned 1379 01:14:13.640 --> 01:14:18.720 a crown which Tooth wears on his head. Egyptian theology 1380 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:22.199 is a very wild wild ride if you ever actually 1381 01:14:22.199 --> 01:14:24.479 look into the stories of the gods. 1382 01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:27.159 Right, you know. And what I found interesting that Henche 1383 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:32.479 was Are you familiar with Himmler's castle Woolfsburg, where Himmler 1384 01:14:33.319 --> 01:14:38.000 andar Kimmler was super into the occult. There is a 1385 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:41.840 ceremonial crypt ritual room in the bottom of it. 1386 01:14:42.359 --> 01:14:42.720 Yeah. 1387 01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.720 Well they allowed a kino to do a ritual down. 1388 01:14:45.560 --> 01:14:48.479 There, really in the room with the black sun on 1389 01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:50.520 the floor. Yes, wow, So. 1390 01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.920 To me that speaks you know, he obviously had high 1391 01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:58.239 regard for the Nazis, so that would be. 1392 01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:00.800 The Nazis had very high regard for or the occult. 1393 01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.079 So I think that's that's the door that swings both ways, 1394 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:03.359 you know. 1395 01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:08.279 Rice exactly. But I also wondering, you know, was he 1396 01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:12.359 you know, into the whole Aryan race ideology with that. 1397 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:17.399 It could be because I'm they also, and I don't believe. 1398 01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:20.039 I know, there's certain people when I say the word Pleadian, 1399 01:15:20.359 --> 01:15:22.359 They're gonna get offended when I say this. I don't 1400 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:26.279 I'm not talking about those Fleadians. But the Nazis did 1401 01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:29.359 believe in the Aryan race coming from the Pleiades, and 1402 01:15:29.399 --> 01:15:30.439 that was a whole thing. 1403 01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:31.680 And that's this. 1404 01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:34.880 Rhetoric of the Pleiadian aliens that the Nazis were talking 1405 01:15:34.880 --> 01:15:38.279 to and the occult. Between all of that and the 1406 01:15:38.279 --> 01:15:41.000 there's so many connections that were being made. The early 1407 01:15:41.079 --> 01:15:46.600 nineteen hundreds are kind of wild as far as the theoretical, theological. 1408 01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.760 And occult conversations go. I mean, in the same fifty 1409 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:51.079 year span we had Crowley Blovatsky. 1410 01:15:51.680 --> 01:15:53.720 What's that dude from Ireland that wrote all that shit. 1411 01:15:56.000 --> 01:15:57.840 He was big with the Oteo and the Hermetic Order 1412 01:15:57.840 --> 01:15:59.439 of the Golden Down. I'm drawing a blank at the moment, 1413 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:02.119 but all that happened at the same time when. 1414 01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:04.399 That specialist movement, the big big. 1415 01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:06.800 Spiritualist movements were going on, some of them on the 1416 01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:10.239 positive side, some of them to the mass genocide sign but. 1417 01:16:10.239 --> 01:16:15.399 Yes, yes, exactly so. But and then you know, as 1418 01:16:15.439 --> 01:16:18.159 I said, you know a Qino was tied to Presidio, 1419 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.000 and then he has also been tied to the Franklin 1420 01:16:21.159 --> 01:16:22.239 cover up and scandal. 1421 01:16:22.760 --> 01:16:25.479 So go a little bit more on that. One expound 1422 01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:25.920 upon this. 1423 01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:30.199 So somehow, and I can't I can't name the exact details, 1424 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:33.920 but he supposedly was involved in Iran Contra and Iran 1425 01:16:34.039 --> 01:16:39.159 Contra had some ties with the Franklin scandal. But Paul Bonacci, 1426 01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:43.239 a victim of the Franklin scandal, said he had seen 1427 01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:48.720 a Kino and that a Quino. Yeah, so there's been 1428 01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:53.960 ties there. And what's crazy is this goes so deep. 1429 01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:59.359 I so I started investigating researching pink ballets, which do 1430 01:16:59.399 --> 01:17:02.960 you guys know pink ballets are like they were pretty 1431 01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:10.079 much child abuse sex parties over in Europe and stuff. Yeah, 1432 01:17:10.239 --> 01:17:13.920 I did an episode covering the first one I had 1433 01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:15.800 come across, which happened in France. 1434 01:17:16.199 --> 01:17:19.439 Are you talking about the where they had the portrait 1435 01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:21.319 where they have all the little kids in the pink 1436 01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:23.479 ballet slippers on the checkerboard floors. 1437 01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:27.119 So they got the name because they were girls sent 1438 01:17:27.199 --> 01:17:30.600 into entertain in a lot of times like miners. They 1439 01:17:30.600 --> 01:17:34.239 would entertain with dancing and stuff. But that all you know, 1440 01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:39.680 finished in you know, them being abused. So they were 1441 01:17:39.720 --> 01:17:41.760 it was kind of like a pink Ballet's was a 1442 01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:45.399 code name. So but Mark Dutrow do you know who 1443 01:17:45.399 --> 01:17:46.319 Mark Dutrou is? 1444 01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:48.680 The ring the book? 1445 01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:52.840 Okay, in Belgium, he was the monster of Belgium. He 1446 01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:56.640 adopted girls and he tried to tell on like he 1447 01:17:56.800 --> 01:17:59.880 was supplying the girls to like these elites and stuff, 1448 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:04.119 these parties and even like the entire country of Belgium 1449 01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:07.520 came out in the White March to protest. The streets 1450 01:18:07.520 --> 01:18:10.439 were filled because there was so much corruption already happening 1451 01:18:10.439 --> 01:18:13.800 in the case and stuff and it's it's a whole 1452 01:18:13.920 --> 01:18:18.960 whole story or whatever. And there were ties to the 1453 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:24.680 what was called the Braxis cult, you know, and a 1454 01:18:24.760 --> 01:18:31.439 braxis yeah. So in this call that they supposedly were 1455 01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:34.560 rated by police and it's some articles say stuff was 1456 01:18:34.600 --> 01:18:39.359 found and other articles say stuff wasn't found. But before dude, trow, 1457 01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:42.640 this goes so much further back, and it's with these 1458 01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:44.079 pink ballets and everything. 1459 01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:46.399 But when I trow, do you know about what your 1460 01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:47.479 frame we're talking about? 1461 01:18:47.600 --> 01:18:52.479 Tree was nineteen ninety six, ninety seven. Yeah, that happened. 1462 01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:56.319 So but what's interesting is when I was researching it 1463 01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:59.399 and stuff, I saw i Ran Contra come up, and 1464 01:18:59.439 --> 01:19:02.159 I'm like, well, isn't that funny? Because Iran Contra goes 1465 01:19:02.199 --> 01:19:04.399 back to a Keino and goes back to Franklin scandal. 1466 01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:06.880 So it's it's weird. 1467 01:19:07.199 --> 01:19:10.239 And I just that Reagan would make his way into 1468 01:19:10.239 --> 01:19:11.680 the conversation, you know what I mean? 1469 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:15.399 Yeah, So I mean it just and then I'm trying 1470 01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:20.239 to think, hey, I guess let's see. Have you heard 1471 01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:23.479 of that Ronald have you Ronald Bernard, the Dutch banker. 1472 01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:26.079 Have you seen him talk about how he made it 1473 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:28.279 so high up and everything and he got invited to 1474 01:19:28.359 --> 01:19:30.800 these like you know, eyes wide chet parties and then 1475 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:36.079 children got involved, and he he broke and he left, 1476 01:19:36.399 --> 01:19:38.239 you know, his high paying job and everything. 1477 01:19:38.840 --> 01:19:43.880 Robert Bruce, you said, Robert Bernard Bernard, No, I haven't 1478 01:19:43.920 --> 01:19:47.119 seen this. There's videos of him speaking on this, Yes, yes. 1479 01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:51.479 Is it Robertard? Yeah, I think it's Bernard. I'll have 1480 01:19:51.520 --> 01:19:53.359 to double check on that. I think for some right 1481 01:19:53.399 --> 01:19:58.199 now I'm drawing a blank. But many people get confused 1482 01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:00.199 and they look him up because they see some one 1483 01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:04.000 who died like in Florida, and they think it's him. 1484 01:20:04.039 --> 01:20:06.920 As it's not him. It's a different Ronald Bernard. That's 1485 01:20:06.960 --> 01:20:08.880 what it is. I'm just like, Robert doesn't sound right. 1486 01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:14.199 Yeah, So, I mean, and he he looks either he's 1487 01:20:14.239 --> 01:20:18.640 a really great actor or I mean you can see 1488 01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:19.479 genuine emotion. 1489 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:22.479 He starts crying and stuff. So, but he talks about 1490 01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:24.920 how these parties and stuff like. 1491 01:20:25.960 --> 01:20:28.239 So the thing I always have with these people that 1492 01:20:28.319 --> 01:20:30.880 come forward and talk about these things, and people will say. 1493 01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:33.439 Oh, well they're fake, they're they're actor whatever. Okay, fine, 1494 01:20:33.479 --> 01:20:36.880 some of them, maybe I'll give you that. But especially 1495 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:38.680 when you're talking about somebody who was at like the 1496 01:20:38.720 --> 01:20:41.159 top of their game, right, somebody who was a big 1497 01:20:41.399 --> 01:20:45.640 big time banker, big time, a professional musician, big time 1498 01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:48.560 like something, where like they were already doing well and 1499 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:53.399 then coming forward actually hurts their career. They're not gaining 1500 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:55.399 That's what I'm saying, Like, do you think they're being 1501 01:20:55.439 --> 01:20:57.920 paid off to take the hit, right, and like that's 1502 01:20:58.119 --> 01:21:00.840 they made the money so good that like his grandchildren 1503 01:21:00.840 --> 01:21:02.960 will be ashamed of this, but the money was good enough. 1504 01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:05.600 Like I just I have a hard time believing. 1505 01:21:05.199 --> 01:21:07.479 That, you know, yeah, yeah, I don't think he can 1506 01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:11.039 like discredit everybody, just like with the you know quote 1507 01:21:11.079 --> 01:21:14.600 satanic panic. You know, I'm sure there was hoaxes in that. 1508 01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:17.600 I'm sure there was, but I'm also sure that there were, 1509 01:21:18.279 --> 01:21:21.199 like you know, it's like to truth and a lie, 1510 01:21:21.319 --> 01:21:23.720 you know, like and if you have you know one 1511 01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:26.880 in there, like that's a lie or you know was 1512 01:21:26.920 --> 01:21:29.199 wrong or is a hoax, then everybody throw the baby 1513 01:21:29.199 --> 01:21:30.039 out with the bathwater. 1514 01:21:30.479 --> 01:21:34.079 To that point, I quick quick side tangent. 1515 01:21:34.279 --> 01:21:38.840 I just recently, as of two days ago, discovered a 1516 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:42.039 hoax of a satanic thing that took place in Baton Rouge. 1517 01:21:42.159 --> 01:21:44.479 So I'm not going to drop names of who the 1518 01:21:44.520 --> 01:21:49.560 guilty parties were because that's not good. But basically, two 1519 01:21:49.600 --> 01:21:53.000 people decided that they wanted to have a barbecue, and 1520 01:21:53.319 --> 01:21:57.399 they were being really dumb and decided to go cattle 1521 01:21:57.439 --> 01:22:01.560 rustling and just to a random cat field and just 1522 01:22:01.640 --> 01:22:04.600 stole a cow that they could fit and carry, because 1523 01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:05.960 that's a really smart thing to do. 1524 01:22:06.079 --> 01:22:08.319 Keep in mind, in Louisiana, you could. 1525 01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:10.880 Still be hung for cattle rustling, like there's no law 1526 01:22:11.239 --> 01:22:16.600 protecting you. They go to Highland Road Park in Baton Rouge. 1527 01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:20.159 They hang up this small cow like they're hanging up 1528 01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:22.239 a deer, and they skin it and they cleaned, and 1529 01:22:22.239 --> 01:22:24.079 they had a barbecue the next day and they left 1530 01:22:24.439 --> 01:22:27.439 the skin, the guts of head, all of this. And 1531 01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:29.960 it was in the mid to you know, late eighties, 1532 01:22:30.000 --> 01:22:32.039 so or actually not, I think about it be the 1533 01:22:32.119 --> 01:22:35.399 early to mid eighties, so Satanic panic was a thing. 1534 01:22:35.520 --> 01:22:38.119 And you know, there may or may not have been 1535 01:22:38.600 --> 01:22:42.760 a story ran in a paper about some possible Satanists 1536 01:22:42.800 --> 01:22:46.800 slaughtering cows and sacrifice in Baton Rouge that actually was 1537 01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:48.720 just two drunk, broke idiots that. 1538 01:22:48.760 --> 01:22:51.880 Just stole a cow. I don't know, y'all, But there 1539 01:22:51.920 --> 01:22:54.199 are some hoaxes in the mix. But that doesn't, like 1540 01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:57.560 you said, that doesn't take away from the guaranteed, confirmed 1541 01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:01.439 stories and these victims and these advocates that come out 1542 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.279 later and say, no, this happened. Here's my scars, here's 1543 01:23:04.279 --> 01:23:07.119 my credentials, here's my story. Here's the names and the 1544 01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:09.560 people and the places and the money, and then for 1545 01:23:09.600 --> 01:23:12.279 some reason all that gets blasted and shut down. 1546 01:23:12.760 --> 01:23:15.399 M M yep, and it's like you have one false 1547 01:23:15.439 --> 01:23:21.439 story or narrative then everything's just completely debunked and everything. 1548 01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:24.720 So yeah, that's the unfortunate thing about it is you know, 1549 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:28.720 everybody else gets discredited when you know there's obviously people 1550 01:23:28.720 --> 01:23:32.880 out there likely telling the truth. So for sure. 1551 01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:36.359 Oh and the same goes for like magic and witchcraft 1552 01:23:36.359 --> 01:23:38.600 and all that stuff in general, even like psychics and 1553 01:23:38.640 --> 01:23:41.199 stuff like that. There are one hundred percent real psychics 1554 01:23:41.239 --> 01:23:43.319 out there, like there's no doubt about that. But you 1555 01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:46.199 got there's always gonna be scammers, Like I'm sorry, if 1556 01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:48.600 you go down to Bourbon Street and somebody offers you 1557 01:23:48.640 --> 01:23:51.319 a terror reading, you probably shouldn't take it because they're 1558 01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:52.680 just gonna take your money. 1559 01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:56.600 And if you're watching a medium on television, I hate 1560 01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:59.520 to break it to you, they're probably not actually a psychic. 1561 01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:02.880 Just like if you see a magician on TV, I 1562 01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:05.680 hate to break it to you, that is not real magic. 1563 01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:08.800 It's an illusion. It is entertainment, and it's wonderful for 1564 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:11.279 that purpose. But that's TV for you. 1565 01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.000 Yeah, David Blaine's great, but that's not magic with a K. 1566 01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:18.399 And that's long Nyland medium is a charming woman. I 1567 01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:20.479 don't believe she's communicating with your dead grandma. 1568 01:24:20.520 --> 01:24:20.960 I'm sorry. 1569 01:24:21.600 --> 01:24:23.399 Have you seen The Dead Files? What do you guys 1570 01:24:23.439 --> 01:24:25.880 think about that? Like where the detective and the medium 1571 01:24:26.359 --> 01:24:27.560 like Investigator House. 1572 01:24:28.600 --> 01:24:32.600 I think that that is an interesting TV show. Like 1573 01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:35.960 the show psych actually did that exact same thing, except 1574 01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:38.239 he was very open well, I mean in the show 1575 01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:42.680 about him being a fake. I think that's you know, 1576 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:48.000 if one out of one hundred cases, this psychic actually 1577 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:49.359 had something that led to the. 1578 01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:50.680 Yeah, okay, fine, sure. 1579 01:24:51.359 --> 01:24:54.800 I personally, if I had a family member die and 1580 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:57.039 a psychic showed up to the house to try to 1581 01:24:57.079 --> 01:24:59.640 help me find out who did it, I would be 1582 01:24:59.680 --> 01:25:02.319 pretty fucking pissed off that my tax dollars are being 1583 01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:04.600 used in such ways. But you know that my tax 1584 01:25:04.640 --> 01:25:06.760 dollars are being used in really stupid fucking ways anyway. 1585 01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:09.079 So I mean, who am I to really start shitty 1586 01:25:09.159 --> 01:25:09.439 on you? 1587 01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:10.039 You know whatever? 1588 01:25:11.279 --> 01:25:13.640 Yeah, I mean, and I agree with that. I think 1589 01:25:13.680 --> 01:25:16.439 there's some authentic and there's some non authentic. Like when 1590 01:25:16.479 --> 01:25:19.520 I talked about my dad when he was a kid 1591 01:25:19.520 --> 01:25:23.800 in their house being haunted. They didn't know because at 1592 01:25:23.840 --> 01:25:26.079 the time and some states don't have laws that were 1593 01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:30.960 required to disclose someone died in the home. So he 1594 01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:33.520 a woman. My grandma had a bridge club and a 1595 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:35.960 woman came in and she said, you have a presence here, 1596 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:39.039 and my grandma grandma didn't tell her, but she cleaned 1597 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.279 the house like it was Poldergeist or something like, you know, 1598 01:25:41.399 --> 01:25:42.319 the little lady from. 1599 01:25:42.159 --> 01:25:47.119 Pouldergeist clubs and bikino clubs. You gotta watch some old 1600 01:25:47.199 --> 01:25:47.800 ladies due. 1601 01:25:49.279 --> 01:25:51.920 Yeah. But another example of that would be, like I 1602 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:55.239 am not psychic or anything like that, but I have 1603 01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:59.520 had dreams or premonitions before. They don't happen often, but 1604 01:25:59.600 --> 01:26:02.319 I can't explain it. So if I'm like having these once, 1605 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:05.960 it's in every great while, Like I can't just credit 1606 01:26:06.039 --> 01:26:09.720 like people actually like having these things readily, right, So 1607 01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:13.199 you know, it's just like anything today, you just got 1608 01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.520 to watch out like for what's you know, genuine and 1609 01:26:16.600 --> 01:26:19.960 authentic and what's not. Just like where you get your news. 1610 01:26:21.600 --> 01:26:24.279 Yeah, yeah, that's a big one. You know, you can't 1611 01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:28.079 be just trusting old Fox or CNN. You know, it's 1612 01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.319 that mainstream media is dying, and anybody that's still watching it, 1613 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:34.920 what are you doing? Like, what are you doing? 1614 01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:38.520 It's in the shitter, bro CNN twenty years ago was 1615 01:26:38.560 --> 01:26:41.239 seen as like the source it. 1616 01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:45.680 Joe Rogan has more activity on a random throwaway on 1617 01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:48.640 a guess that you've never heard of before than CNN 1618 01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:51.560 has during like a presidential debate. I'm just saying, like, 1619 01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:55.159 that's it's time to pack it in legacy media, it's over. 1620 01:26:55.359 --> 01:26:56.720 It's cool. You had a good run. 1621 01:26:57.359 --> 01:27:02.159 Yeah, yeah. And it's independent research, you know, like podcasters 1622 01:27:02.760 --> 01:27:05.800 who who are you know, getting down to the nitty 1623 01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:08.880 gritty details like that are being omitted from the new 1624 01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:13.720 the news or you know, narratives changed or facts you know, excluded. 1625 01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:17.880 Like it's crazy, like I you can't trust mainstream media 1626 01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:22.039 and like what is it? Six corporations owns all all 1627 01:27:22.079 --> 01:27:22.880 media outlets. 1628 01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:25.840 Oh, some people watch the news and they literally see 1629 01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:28.239 it as gospel. It's like, oh, well this happened, you 1630 01:27:28.239 --> 01:27:31.359 know Bob Anderson Cooper told me, or you know, any 1631 01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:34.920 of the crazies on there, whoever. I mean, even look, 1632 01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:37.760 I'm not even gonna listen to There's not one singular 1633 01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:40.079 person that I'm gonna watch on any news channel and 1634 01:27:40.119 --> 01:27:43.119 be like news might be fake, but this guy he's 1635 01:27:43.159 --> 01:27:45.880 on it. No, Like, get that out of your mind too, 1636 01:27:46.000 --> 01:27:48.920 Like there is no one good source. 1637 01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:53.079 Mm hm, yep, exactly, and stop stop acting like the 1638 01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.479 politicians are your fucking savior. 1639 01:27:55.640 --> 01:27:56.079 Thank you. 1640 01:27:56.399 --> 01:27:59.039 There's no good guys here. There's none to be found, 1641 01:27:59.079 --> 01:27:59.640 you know what I mean. 1642 01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:02.760 No, I mean, at the end of the day, I 1643 01:28:02.800 --> 01:28:05.279 think they're all being you know, puppeteered by people we 1644 01:28:05.319 --> 01:28:05.920 don't even know. 1645 01:28:07.199 --> 01:28:10.479 I'm hopeful for the future. I'm hopeful for this newer, 1646 01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:15.039 younger generation of possible political people. I don't even call 1647 01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:17.399 them politicians just yet because they're only like one or 1648 01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:19.560 two terms in and they still got that like that 1649 01:28:19.680 --> 01:28:23.279 ambition in them haven't been bought out yet. I'm hopeful 1650 01:28:23.439 --> 01:28:25.439 that this younger group can stay the course. 1651 01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:27.800 But you know what I mean, it's way too early 1652 01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:33.000 to tell. And money really does talk history history on 1653 01:28:33.039 --> 01:28:33.479 their side. 1654 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.960 It's expensive, like to run for office, Like, no one 1655 01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:39.039 can just run for office. You have to have money 1656 01:28:39.079 --> 01:28:39.520 backing you. 1657 01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:44.319 I just a guy I watch just ran for congressman 1658 01:28:44.359 --> 01:28:48.159 in his district in Texas. He spent not personally donations 1659 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:52.119 and things ten million dollars for a three month run 1660 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:55.920 and his opponents outspent him by like another ten million. 1661 01:28:56.039 --> 01:28:59.520 And shit, politics is expensive, but that also means that 1662 01:28:59.560 --> 01:29:01.680 politics makes money. 1663 01:29:01.840 --> 01:29:06.640 Yes, hundred percent. Yeah, And I truly think we're not 1664 01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:09.920 even a democracy. I think we're a oligarchy now, Like 1665 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:10.920 I just. 1666 01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:15.279 I don't know where we're drifting ever closer to it. 1667 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:21.079 I want to believe that at least we're not. You can't. Yes, 1668 01:29:21.239 --> 01:29:24.600 you can buy your political position, but it's not in 1669 01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:27.399 so facto like direct link. There's like other ways you're 1670 01:29:27.439 --> 01:29:29.479 going about it, but it is the same. You see 1671 01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:30.920 what I'm saying, We're getting closer. 1672 01:29:31.079 --> 01:29:33.880 We need terms on office on all other. 1673 01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:35.840 Offices, all offices. 1674 01:29:36.159 --> 01:29:37.880 Like I don't understand why that's not. 1675 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:42.399 A thing Supreme Court justices, for instance. Am I the 1676 01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:44.319 bad guy for thinking term limits on that. 1677 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:44.880 Is a good thing? 1678 01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:49.279 If the law is supposed to be never changing and 1679 01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:51.079 all these things, and they are supposed to be the 1680 01:29:51.159 --> 01:29:55.600 unequivocable the word of the law of the land. So 1681 01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:58.279 what you're saying is that a judge by any other 1682 01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:02.520 name should have is because you know, justice is blind, 1683 01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:05.159 shouldn't matter the day and age, so if we did 1684 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:08.960 put term limits on Supreme Court justices, the intent should be. 1685 01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.880 Done, But somehow that doesn't happen. I don't get it. 1686 01:30:12.119 --> 01:30:14.880 That's all a club to me too, like that, like 1687 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:17.159 the way that they study law. We've talked about it, 1688 01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:20.920 Black Slow Dictionary. There's a certain level of mind that 1689 01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:23.760 these people have and the certain level of understanding that 1690 01:30:23.800 --> 01:30:26.279 they have that you know, a young up and comer, 1691 01:30:26.760 --> 01:30:29.079 not very well versed in that hasn't had a lot 1692 01:30:29.079 --> 01:30:31.520 of experience to be able to deal with certain cases 1693 01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:34.279 and stuff like that. So I mean not to say 1694 01:30:34.279 --> 01:30:36.439 that it's right not to say that, you know, people 1695 01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:39.359 within the Supreme Court should just live there until they die, 1696 01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:42.279 which I think is kind of absurd personally, But like 1697 01:30:42.800 --> 01:30:46.239 you know, I get it. If you're trying to control 1698 01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:49.640 and fool the rest of the masses, that's what you 1699 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:52.399 would do, right, Like you would keep those same people 1700 01:30:52.439 --> 01:30:54.600 in power. You wouldn't want them to come out out 1701 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:58.119 of power, like, especially if they're upholding these you know, 1702 01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:01.720 just sketchy law. And I don't know, there's a lot 1703 01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:03.760 of things that go on within the justice system that 1704 01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:07.760 really isn't fair. There is not a whole lot of 1705 01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:11.520 actual justice going on, and it just seems like people 1706 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:13.640 have found ways to gain the system anyway. 1707 01:31:14.279 --> 01:31:14.560 Yep. 1708 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:20.079 So, anyway, so I don't know why we went off 1709 01:31:20.079 --> 01:31:20.600 on that tangent. 1710 01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:25.239 I call them side quests. I tend to go on 1711 01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:28.039 side quest and down rabbit holes and then like how 1712 01:31:28.079 --> 01:31:28.720 did I get here? 1713 01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:32.039 Like it, we are talking about the contras, you're talking 1714 01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:33.399 about Regoo. 1715 01:31:35.319 --> 01:31:35.960 Yeah. 1716 01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:39.000 So yeah, so the Marketer trouth thing like it, you know, 1717 01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:42.000 just is you know, these tentacles that seem to go 1718 01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:45.079 all throughout the world and it's all connected. I've actually 1719 01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:47.560 wanted to kind of like try to do a spreadsheet 1720 01:31:47.640 --> 01:31:51.640 of all these names and all these you know, uh, 1721 01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:57.520 human child trafficking organizations and stuff, and seeing to where 1722 01:31:57.560 --> 01:32:00.720 like names connect and stuff throughout throughout. 1723 01:32:00.399 --> 01:32:03.920 The world, especially with the rituals. Like look, okay, Epstein 1724 01:32:04.079 --> 01:32:07.520 Island itself. We know foreshore, what was going on on 1725 01:32:07.560 --> 01:32:10.399 the island, We know what the principle of it was. 1726 01:32:10.640 --> 01:32:14.439 Gotcha the fact that there was a temple on the island, 1727 01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.960 Like what so the pedophile doesn't miss a Sunday mass. No, 1728 01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:19.239 that wasn't a church. 1729 01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.319 That was a temple, a pagan temple at that which 1730 01:32:22.520 --> 01:32:26.880 and maybe a Satanic temple I don't know, but the 1731 01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:29.399 fact that there was a temple on the Pedophile Island, 1732 01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:32.439 it really doesn't take much to Aukham's razor that to 1733 01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:34.359 see what was going down, you know what I mean. 1734 01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:36.920 No, And they tried to pass it off as like 1735 01:32:37.039 --> 01:32:41.560 a music studio or something like that, piano or something 1736 01:32:41.720 --> 01:32:44.479 like but there was no like piano, Like I don't 1737 01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:45.920 even know if there's a penu in there. I know 1738 01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:47.760 they were talking about like there was cots in there 1739 01:32:47.760 --> 01:32:48.640 and stuff like that. 1740 01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:53.199 Yeah, I bet there was, I bet there was. 1741 01:32:53.359 --> 01:32:58.439 But anyway, Yeah, So the next next I'm want to 1742 01:32:58.439 --> 01:33:02.880 cover Luciferians. So, and Luciferians see themselves as a separate 1743 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:07.560 branch of Satanism, which combines elements of rational and theistic forms. 1744 01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:10.399 It is largely a theistic branch, although there are some 1745 01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:14.479 who see Satan known as Lucifer as symbolic rather than 1746 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:19.279 an actual being. Luciferians used term lucifer in its literal sense. 1747 01:33:19.760 --> 01:33:23.880 The name means light bringer or bearer in Latin. Rather 1748 01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:27.600 than being a figure of challenge, rebellion, and sensuality, Lucifer 1749 01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:29.880 is seen as a creature of enlightenment. The one who 1750 01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:34.159 brings light out of the darkness. Practitioners embrace the seeking 1751 01:33:34.199 --> 01:33:37.239 of knowledge, delving into the darkness of mystery and coming 1752 01:33:37.239 --> 01:33:40.880 out better for it. Think Adam and Eve or Prometheus. 1753 01:33:41.520 --> 01:33:44.439 They stress the balance of light and dark and that 1754 01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:48.439 each depends upon the other. While Satanism revels in physical 1755 01:33:48.960 --> 01:33:53.680 existence and Christianity focuses more on spirituality, Luciferians see their 1756 01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:56.640 religion as one that seeks the balance of both, that 1757 01:33:56.720 --> 01:34:00.359 human existence is an intersection of the two. 1758 01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:04.399 So it's more like your Freemasons that when they get 1759 01:34:04.439 --> 01:34:06.359 to the top, they're seeking the light, and then they 1760 01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:08.359 when they go to the thirty third, they have to 1761 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:11.640 acknowledge that they are serving lucifer They're not serving Satan, 1762 01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:13.920 They're not serving the devil. They have to use that 1763 01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:17.399 word beaming light bearer. So this is more of a 1764 01:34:17.439 --> 01:34:19.960 Luciferian cult, yes, so. 1765 01:34:20.159 --> 01:34:24.079 And Luciferians they look at the serpent in the garden feeding, 1766 01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:28.560 which I think translates to the cash as being a 1767 01:34:28.640 --> 01:34:33.439 liberator giving knowledge to human beings. And the God was 1768 01:34:33.479 --> 01:34:39.359 an oppressor and so we were liberated through him. And 1769 01:34:39.479 --> 01:34:43.119 so it's very it coincides with the Prometheus story where 1770 01:34:43.199 --> 01:34:50.439 Prometheus gave mankind fire against the pantheon God's wishes. So 1771 01:34:50.760 --> 01:34:54.199 and I think for a lot of people, I'm surprised 1772 01:34:55.159 --> 01:35:00.199 Luciferianism isn't more popular because it seems almost like this 1773 01:35:00.359 --> 01:35:05.560 romantic twist on it, especially if individuals who have had 1774 01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:08.920 bad experiences with religion. Like I know a lot of 1775 01:35:08.920 --> 01:35:11.279 people who are like raised in the Catholic churches and 1776 01:35:11.279 --> 01:35:15.199 now they're atheists. But I could see someone that maybe 1777 01:35:15.279 --> 01:35:19.239 had you know, a bad run with a Abrahamic faith 1778 01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:25.239 finding something attractive about the Luciferian you know, religion or 1779 01:35:25.760 --> 01:35:26.680 type of Satanism. 1780 01:35:27.880 --> 01:35:32.319 I think they may dissuade them because it's called Luciferianism, 1781 01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:34.600 and like like you said, when you break it down, 1782 01:35:34.640 --> 01:35:37.119 it's more like the quest of knowledge, you know what 1783 01:35:37.159 --> 01:35:39.720 I mean. And they see Lucifer as the knowledge bearer 1784 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.600 of the knowledge Bringer, the giver Name your thing, right, 1785 01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:45.840 and so right off the bat, there's multiple gods of 1786 01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:51.960 multiple pantheons that did similar things for the humans, right, Toth, Hermes, Mercury, 1787 01:35:52.079 --> 01:35:53.920 and on and on and on. 1788 01:35:54.039 --> 01:35:55.359 Name your flavor right. 1789 01:35:55.680 --> 01:35:59.479 So that being said, it's like, okay, the knowledge Bringer 1790 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:04.359 and these people that left traditional Judeo Christian faiths and 1791 01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:07.039 are more in the realm of seeking the forbidden knowledge, 1792 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:09.399 forbidden truths and stuff. I feel like if they were 1793 01:36:09.439 --> 01:36:12.359 to call themselves Luciferian, then they would be acknowledging what 1794 01:36:12.479 --> 01:36:14.800 they left because of the name brand. 1795 01:36:15.039 --> 01:36:16.439 It's like a bad branding thing, you know. 1796 01:36:16.680 --> 01:36:18.720 Sure, And I feel like there's a lot of people 1797 01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:21.880 This is just my own personal opinion on it, but 1798 01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:26.479 I think that you know, people back in the sixties, seventies, eighties, 1799 01:36:26.479 --> 01:36:29.479 probably even into the nineties, you know, there there wasn't 1800 01:36:29.520 --> 01:36:32.840 really a whole lot of knowledge on you know, like 1801 01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:37.439 religions outside of Christianity, especially within the United States, And 1802 01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:40.319 so if you were to turn your back on Christianity, 1803 01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:43.439 you would turn to something like that, even if you 1804 01:36:43.479 --> 01:36:47.439 were just being you know, like I don't even know 1805 01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:49.159 what the term would be for that, but you know 1806 01:36:49.199 --> 01:36:51.439 what I mean, but you would just would you would 1807 01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.039 be the counterpart to it. And because you know, the 1808 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.680 Christianity wronged you, and you know, they don't accept gays 1809 01:36:57.840 --> 01:37:00.159 or whatever the case may be, right, it was always 1810 01:37:00.199 --> 01:37:04.199 like a contrarian kind of point or stance rather and 1811 01:37:04.239 --> 01:37:06.640 I think that most people nowadays, and I could be wrong. 1812 01:37:07.119 --> 01:37:11.640 I have never knowingly met a Luciferian. I've never knowingly 1813 01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:16.000 a meta Satanist, because I think that nobody's really going 1814 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:19.359 towards the contrarian point of view whenever it comes to, 1815 01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:22.319 you know, anything spiritual, Like if you grew up in 1816 01:37:22.319 --> 01:37:24.319 the Catholic Church. How many people have we talked to 1817 01:37:24.439 --> 01:37:26.760 here that we've talked to, talk to them that they 1818 01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:29.359 grew up in the Catholic Church or in this church 1819 01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:32.159 or that church, and they've you know, something bad happened 1820 01:37:32.199 --> 01:37:34.359 to them. There was one instance, there was one thing 1821 01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:36.399 that they got wronged or whatever, and so now they're 1822 01:37:36.399 --> 01:37:38.720 turning their back on it. You're not seeing those people 1823 01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:42.680 convert to Luciferianism. They're more so probably just converting to 1824 01:37:43.520 --> 01:37:47.760 the overall like term of like spirituality. In my opinion, 1825 01:37:47.800 --> 01:37:48.840 that's what I've seen anyway. 1826 01:37:49.600 --> 01:37:51.760 So you're saying, like back in the day, it was 1827 01:37:51.840 --> 01:37:55.920 more of a lack of other options, and I'm oversimplifying it, 1828 01:37:55.960 --> 01:37:57.640 but more or less it was like, well, if it's 1829 01:37:57.680 --> 01:38:00.279 not this, then it might be this. But I could 1830 01:38:00.319 --> 01:38:02.119 see that to a degree, And it's not like every 1831 01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:04.880 single person walking and talking new the ins and outs 1832 01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:07.880 of Hinduism in America in the eighties and ninety witch. 1833 01:38:07.720 --> 01:38:10.399 And you're also talking to creep your knowledge. Yeah you're 1834 01:38:10.439 --> 01:38:12.359 talking pre internet though, But. 1835 01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:15.720 You know, even the libraries, I don't know, like unless 1836 01:38:15.760 --> 01:38:18.399 you went to like a huge like maybe university library 1837 01:38:18.439 --> 01:38:21.319 or something like, I don't know what type of how 1838 01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:26.560 vast or you know, books on ac cult practices would be. 1839 01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:29.520 It's almost I think you would have to go to 1840 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:33.239 like a New Age store, which back then you only 1841 01:38:33.239 --> 01:38:34.840 would find in like the big cities. 1842 01:38:35.399 --> 01:38:39.279 True, yeah, well yeah, and I think that ultimately it's 1843 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:42.199 kind of the same on the other side as well, 1844 01:38:42.560 --> 01:38:45.960 Whereas you know, the people who are diehard Christians, and 1845 01:38:46.079 --> 01:38:48.960 I'm not saying now, but definitely back then, they would 1846 01:38:49.000 --> 01:38:52.399 see anything that was counter to whatever they believed. It 1847 01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:56.199 was Satanism, it was Luciferian. You know, if you were 1848 01:38:56.239 --> 01:38:58.319 playing with tarot cars, you may as well be having 1849 01:38:58.319 --> 01:39:01.720 a full on breakfast in bed with satan you know 1850 01:39:01.760 --> 01:39:05.279 what I mean, right right? And it was it was 1851 01:39:05.359 --> 01:39:08.640 always anything that was counter to what you believed. That's 1852 01:39:08.680 --> 01:39:10.880 what That's what I grew up around. Now, I didn't 1853 01:39:10.920 --> 01:39:13.520 grow up in a religious household or anything like that, 1854 01:39:13.560 --> 01:39:15.439 but I had a lot of friends that did, and 1855 01:39:15.760 --> 01:39:18.560 that's that that was their experience. Like and the same 1856 01:39:18.600 --> 01:39:21.720 thing with the whole the Harry Potter situation. Like I 1857 01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:25.279 remember thinking how ridiculous this is whenever I was in school, 1858 01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:28.199 because I think the first Harry Potter movie came out 1859 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:30.000 whenever I was in sixth grade, and we read the 1860 01:39:30.039 --> 01:39:31.720 book and we went to go watch the movie and 1861 01:39:31.760 --> 01:39:34.039 it was awesome. But I remember there were certain kids 1862 01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:35.640 in my class that weren't allowed to go see it, 1863 01:39:35.640 --> 01:39:38.319 and I was like, it's Harry Potter, what what's But 1864 01:39:38.399 --> 01:39:40.520 I didn't grow up in that religious households. I didn't 1865 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:43.039 really have any contacts with it, right, But there were 1866 01:39:43.119 --> 01:39:46.119 people who were like totally against Harry Potter because it 1867 01:39:46.159 --> 01:39:48.439 was witchcraft, and it was it was this, it was 1868 01:39:48.560 --> 01:39:49.119 you know what I mean. 1869 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:52.439 Yeah, come to find out, she got the spells from 1870 01:39:52.520 --> 01:39:55.079 the Grim Wars, So the words these kids are using 1871 01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:59.239 to make magic happen are actual spells based in Satanism 1872 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:00.960 in the dark load or so she has she had 1873 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:03.079 the Bible belt, moms had had a point where. 1874 01:40:02.960 --> 01:40:06.520 She has on her arms so of Coagula, which is 1875 01:40:06.560 --> 01:40:11.520 on Baphomet, which is the you know breakdown and build 1876 01:40:11.640 --> 01:40:15.199 up like kind of concept. And they also talk about 1877 01:40:15.199 --> 01:40:18.359 the hand of Glory in Harry Potter, which is very 1878 01:40:18.399 --> 01:40:21.840 much in a cult a cult item and spell. So 1879 01:40:22.520 --> 01:40:25.199 now would I go if if I had my own children, 1880 01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:26.800 when I go as far to say, like, you can't 1881 01:40:26.800 --> 01:40:31.880 watch that, no, but clearly there is some authentic occult 1882 01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:35.640 items and practices in Harry Potter, So. 1883 01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:38.680 Oh yeah, trust me, I don't. I don't blame Christians, 1884 01:40:38.720 --> 01:40:41.399 like if that is your belief that, like, if you're 1885 01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:43.399 if you're going to sit there and believe the Bible 1886 01:40:43.439 --> 01:40:45.960 and believe God for his word and Jesus as the 1887 01:40:45.960 --> 01:40:49.399 Savior and everything, of course, I don't think that you 1888 01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:52.000 should be like, oh, well, that's kind of a gray area. No, 1889 01:40:52.119 --> 01:40:55.199 it's either black or it's white in that kind of scenario, right, Like, 1890 01:40:55.560 --> 01:40:57.760 because you never know, dude, how many people that are 1891 01:40:57.800 --> 01:41:02.520 practicing magic and witchcraft. Maybe maybe Harry Potter was a gateway, 1892 01:41:02.880 --> 01:41:05.039 like think about that, you know, like in a weird way. 1893 01:41:05.199 --> 01:41:05.560 True. 1894 01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:08.840 Yeah, I think Donnie Darko probably did more as far 1895 01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:11.000 as a gateway to people digging into the occult in 1896 01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:13.279 the dark magic, But I don't know, I could be 1897 01:41:13.319 --> 01:41:17.039 wrong to your point, Yeah, there was probably some kids 1898 01:41:17.039 --> 01:41:19.439 that were like, wait a minute, spells and potions and 1899 01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:21.960 this and this is the stuff we could learn there may. 1900 01:41:22.000 --> 01:41:23.840 Very focus Pocus is another one. 1901 01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:26.359 Yeah, very true, very true. 1902 01:41:26.479 --> 01:41:28.560 Jacob didn't like the second one. I loved it. 1903 01:41:29.079 --> 01:41:29.399 I know. 1904 01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:31.399 The story of the second one was great. 1905 01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:35.039 There was no need for the forced LGBTQ element op 1906 01:41:35.279 --> 01:41:39.279 QRSTUV group in the movie. There was no need for it. 1907 01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:43.199 It didn't add to the movie. It was an unneeded distraction. 1908 01:41:43.640 --> 01:41:45.640 And then you could see it the twenty five year 1909 01:41:46.079 --> 01:41:48.840 reunion bash that they did for hocus Pocus, the entire 1910 01:41:48.880 --> 01:41:51.319 thing was just a big gay pride thing. So it's like, oh, 1911 01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:54.640 so you did that on purpose, Thank you for ruining 1912 01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:55.560 a portion of my child. 1913 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:58.560 I think I know why, though. It's I think that 1914 01:41:58.600 --> 01:42:01.640 it's more of that contrarian kind of mentality the people 1915 01:42:01.720 --> 01:42:05.159 that you know, wanted to neglect Christianity or they're just 1916 01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:07.800 the church or religion or whatever in general that they 1917 01:42:08.039 --> 01:42:11.000 they found themselves, especially the lgbt Not to say that, 1918 01:42:11.279 --> 01:42:15.439 I mean, we watched that video of the transgender pastor 1919 01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:17.920 or whatever the fuck he was the other day, but 1920 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:22.800 like you could see how people like of that ideology 1921 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.840 would try and stick themselves to witchcraft and magic because hey, 1922 01:42:27.039 --> 01:42:29.119 there's no rules over here saying that you can't be 1923 01:42:29.199 --> 01:42:31.680 gay or you can't be a transgender or whatever. 1924 01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:35.359 Right, But hocus Pocus was because that was that fat, 1925 01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:38.039 ugly bitch that runs Disney and makes everything fake gay, 1926 01:42:38.079 --> 01:42:40.319 and Lane and Cartman did a whole thing South Park 1927 01:42:40.359 --> 01:42:42.600 did it bring me check in and make it gay? 1928 01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:45.560 And Lane remember that it was that chick whoever was 1929 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:48.920 running Disney up until recently, was trying to just everything 1930 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:51.840 had to suck, Everything had to be really bad made 1931 01:42:52.279 --> 01:42:54.520 and had to have gay references top to bottom. Look 1932 01:42:54.560 --> 01:42:57.800 the new Star Wars and it's a fucking mess. Anyway. 1933 01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:01.640 Well, I think it's interesting with Hogus Park. You know, 1934 01:43:01.680 --> 01:43:05.920 they kind of had the adreno chrome concept. And then 1935 01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:08.720 also I haven't seen it. It's on my list to watch, 1936 01:43:08.880 --> 01:43:12.760 but I think it's what is it Doctor Sleep? Stephen 1937 01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:20.840 King's Doctor Sleep, which is like the uh sequel to 1938 01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:29.239 The Shining. Oh oh yeah, it's about Oh what's the 1939 01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:31.359 kid's name in The Shining? I can't remember his name? 1940 01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:37.119 He's an adult, yeah, this movie, and he is helping 1941 01:43:37.159 --> 01:43:41.600 a girl who has abilities and this group of Uh, 1942 01:43:42.239 --> 01:43:45.640 I don't know what they are go out to suck 1943 01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:49.680 the life force out of these special children who have abilities. 1944 01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:53.520 Wow, I didn't know there was a sequel to The 1945 01:43:53.520 --> 01:43:54.239 Shining This is new? 1946 01:43:54.560 --> 01:43:57.680 Are you talking about Danny Torrance in the movie. His 1947 01:43:57.760 --> 01:44:01.640 name is Danny Lloyd in real life. Okay, so he's 1948 01:44:01.720 --> 01:44:04.880 in that new one. Then, yeah, it's. 1949 01:44:04.640 --> 01:44:07.520 Not it's not new, but it came out later. I 1950 01:44:07.520 --> 01:44:10.000 think I think it came out in the two thousand sometimes, 1951 01:44:10.000 --> 01:44:12.560 but I don't know when. But it's been on my 1952 01:44:14.359 --> 01:44:16.079 you know, watch list. 1953 01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:19.239 Oh okay, yeah, you know, I really don't watch a 1954 01:44:19.279 --> 01:44:21.720 lot of that like creepy kind of shit like that. 1955 01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:24.399 I don't know, it's just not my taste personally, not 1956 01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:27.079 that anything, I have anything against it. And by the way, Jacob, 1957 01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:29.359 I used to think that you were like kind of 1958 01:44:29.800 --> 01:44:33.960 m crazy, a little crazy, maybe a little weird. I mean, 1959 01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:38.239 I still believe I'm a weird fucking guy. But no, like, 1960 01:44:38.279 --> 01:44:41.119 because you've referenced about how you like you won't watch 1961 01:44:41.159 --> 01:44:44.800 any of those kind of like Exorcist kind of movies 1962 01:44:44.840 --> 01:44:47.880 because you think that it invites into your house. I 1963 01:44:48.199 --> 01:44:50.560 think you're actually on some ship there, and. 1964 01:44:50.560 --> 01:44:51.159 I know I don't. 1965 01:44:51.439 --> 01:44:54.439 I don't want to experiences was after I watch one 1966 01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:57.239 of these movies. I know for me personally, it invites 1967 01:44:57.239 --> 01:45:01.800 it in I can't speak on behalf of everybody. 1968 01:45:00.199 --> 01:45:02.640 With books, like I won't let you know because I 1969 01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:05.640 do investigate a call. There's certain books that will never 1970 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.640 be in my house. So with books and like that, 1971 01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:13.000 like you know, God love people like William Ramsay who 1972 01:45:13.119 --> 01:45:16.920 like investigates like Alistair Crole and stuff like that, because 1973 01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:19.119 one of those books is not coming in my house. 1974 01:45:20.079 --> 01:45:22.880 Right, Yeah, And that's the thing. I don't judge people 1975 01:45:22.880 --> 01:45:25.840 who do watch that type of material. That's fine. People 1976 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:29.640 find whatever they find entertainment wise. But me personally though, bro. 1977 01:45:29.800 --> 01:45:33.520 Yeah, because they take it apart. And that's the thing. 1978 01:45:33.560 --> 01:45:35.880 There has to be people to do that, right, there's 1979 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:39.359 people that are that don't have the same experiences that 1980 01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:41.720 I have, that are able to watch it for that purpose. 1981 01:45:42.199 --> 01:45:44.680 I know that I have eyes to see that shit, 1982 01:45:45.079 --> 01:45:47.279 and I know that I have seen it and experienced 1983 01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:51.760 it before, So actively opening the door does in fact 1984 01:45:51.800 --> 01:45:52.520 open the doors. 1985 01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:55.800 And if it's something really like creeping scary, I'm like, 1986 01:45:55.880 --> 01:45:58.439 make my friends or my neighbors watch it with me. 1987 01:45:59.159 --> 01:46:01.399 I like it. There's a point like where it gets 1988 01:46:01.439 --> 01:46:04.239 too dark. I'm like, no, not watching this by myself. 1989 01:46:04.399 --> 01:46:06.800 No, can I ask you, Jacob me say that? 1990 01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:07.079 Though? 1991 01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:10.000 Well, why do I believe that? 1992 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:10.319 Now? 1993 01:46:11.079 --> 01:46:12.239 What made you shift? 1994 01:46:12.239 --> 01:46:14.359 I'm not like trying to have be smug about it, 1995 01:46:14.359 --> 01:46:16.560 but I'm genuinely curious what made you? 1996 01:46:16.680 --> 01:46:17.439 What brought this on? 1997 01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:21.359 You know, I think that and y'an know me, dude, 1998 01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:24.079 I'm just a little weird over here, but I think 1999 01:46:24.159 --> 01:46:29.439 that to quote who was it that said this, I 2000 01:46:29.479 --> 01:46:31.640 think it was Philip Cooper, the guy that wrote The 2001 01:46:31.640 --> 01:46:35.439 Magician where he says that basically the universe is mental, 2002 01:46:35.880 --> 01:46:39.960 Like I think that literally everything has uh it feeds 2003 01:46:39.960 --> 01:46:42.439 off of our mind in a say, because I think 2004 01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:46.199 that the universe itself is one giant mind. And so 2005 01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:48.840 I think that if you're I don't want to go 2006 01:46:48.880 --> 01:46:51.159 into like you're inviting it into your home or an. 2007 01:46:51.319 --> 01:46:54.279 I think that you're inviting that information into your mind 2008 01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:58.159 and then it is now like playing because you think 2009 01:46:58.159 --> 01:46:59.960 about your subconscious mind. It's one of the most power 2010 01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:02.760 full fucking things that is out there. Dude. Like it 2011 01:47:02.960 --> 01:47:05.720 the way that it filters information and helps you retain 2012 01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:08.960 certain things and helps you erase certain things. And if 2013 01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:12.199 you if if if these movies have some kind of 2014 01:47:12.279 --> 01:47:16.479 like uh mental effect on you, like if they really 2015 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:20.199 scarred you. I think that that that that information will 2016 01:47:20.600 --> 01:47:24.119 kind of lie dormant within your subconscious and anytime you 2017 01:47:24.439 --> 01:47:27.840 have anytime you're scared, or you're fearful, or maybe you 2018 01:47:27.920 --> 01:47:30.720 have a sleep paralysis or something like that and you 2019 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.840 elicit that kind of fear, it's going to go right 2020 01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:37.199 into the chamber where you have that fear like treasure 2021 01:47:37.560 --> 01:47:40.039 bucket or basket or whatever in the back of your mind. 2022 01:47:40.880 --> 01:47:43.159 And I think that it unlocks it because it associates 2023 01:47:43.199 --> 01:47:46.119 the two as the same. And so like whenever you 2024 01:47:46.319 --> 01:47:49.840 whenever you are fearful, well, it's gonna trigger what what 2025 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:52.239 is it that made me fearful? Because of subconscious mind 2026 01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:54.840 it doesn't know. It's just helping you remember, right, And 2027 01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:57.319 so I think that that's how it works personally. I 2028 01:47:57.319 --> 01:47:59.800 don't think that it's opening up some kind of satanic realm. 2029 01:47:59.880 --> 01:48:00.600 I think that. 2030 01:48:02.239 --> 01:48:04.800 Some the trauma responds to Yeah. 2031 01:48:04.720 --> 01:48:06.760 Yeah, that's what I think. I think. So, and so 2032 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.359 I I do like hypnosis and past life aggressions and 2033 01:48:10.359 --> 01:48:12.640 all that stuff. So I'm fascinated with how the mind 2034 01:48:12.720 --> 01:48:15.600 works and and the subconscious mind and all that. And 2035 01:48:15.640 --> 01:48:17.600 that's my way of breaking that down anyway, how I 2036 01:48:17.680 --> 01:48:18.279 understand it. 2037 01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:20.319 I'll put it like this, dude, I'll tell you the 2038 01:48:20.319 --> 01:48:22.920 movie that did it. And I know that it is 2039 01:48:23.119 --> 01:48:23.520 just a. 2040 01:48:23.479 --> 01:48:26.119 Movie because I recognize one of the actresses in it, 2041 01:48:26.159 --> 01:48:27.840 and I know she's an actress, and like, I know 2042 01:48:27.920 --> 01:48:28.640 this is not real. 2043 01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:32.680 Any of that Paranormal Activity too, that was the movie. 2044 01:48:33.640 --> 01:48:35.000 Read from it. 2045 01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:38.279 I recognize her from Sons of Anarchy, Like, I know, 2046 01:48:38.439 --> 01:48:40.199 there's no it's it's not real. 2047 01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:40.720 It's not real. 2048 01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:43.239 Like I'm aware, I'm a grown man. Okay, when that 2049 01:48:43.279 --> 01:48:44.119 movie came, Wait. 2050 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:48.520 Which person from Sons of Anarchy? 2051 01:48:46.000 --> 01:48:51.960 Opie's wife? She was the mom in the Paranormal Activity. 2052 01:48:52.199 --> 01:48:54.359 Oh, that's right, I remember that now. 2053 01:48:54.520 --> 01:48:56.800 Okay, she got killed off of Son's of Anarchy. And 2054 01:48:56.800 --> 01:48:58.680 then I think, and I don't know the actress's name. 2055 01:48:58.760 --> 01:49:01.640 She's a phenomenal actress, but she got picked up for 2056 01:49:01.680 --> 01:49:04.399 that role pretty soon after that, as a matter of fact, 2057 01:49:04.399 --> 01:49:05.680 when she got killed off of SOA. 2058 01:49:06.159 --> 01:49:08.680 But uh, I couldn't wait. That's my point. I knew 2059 01:49:08.720 --> 01:49:10.640 it was. I knew it was fake, and I knew 2060 01:49:10.640 --> 01:49:13.600 it was just yeah, it's recovered footage. It's like Cloverfield. 2061 01:49:13.600 --> 01:49:16.560 It's not really, it's like in Night Shyamalan shit. But 2062 01:49:17.760 --> 01:49:18.680 that opened the door. 2063 01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:22.319 Yeah, you know what, dude, I could never forgive Tig 2064 01:49:22.359 --> 01:49:24.640 after that. Ever since that happened, I was like, fuck 2065 01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:26.640 Tig forever from Sons of Anarchy. 2066 01:49:27.359 --> 01:49:30.199 I kind of had a soft spot for him after 2067 01:49:30.239 --> 01:49:31.840 he washed his daughter get burned alive. 2068 01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:33.279 Yeah, and that brought it back. 2069 01:49:34.039 --> 01:49:36.159 Yea, he has done some horrible shit. 2070 01:49:37.239 --> 01:49:41.159 That's retribution for whatever horrible shit was about to be said. 2071 01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:44.560 I'm you know, as a man, as a father, Tig's 2072 01:49:44.560 --> 01:49:46.359 never gonna be the same sense. Then he ends up 2073 01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:48.840 with a tranny, which, like you know, at this point, 2074 01:49:49.159 --> 01:49:51.479 Tig's just doing what he can to stay up right. 2075 01:49:51.600 --> 01:49:53.840 Okay, let the man do what he's got to do 2076 01:49:54.079 --> 01:49:55.199 to get off right. 2077 01:49:55.239 --> 01:49:58.039 But but getting back to your movie, So that was 2078 01:49:58.079 --> 01:50:01.079 something that it had an effec on your mind, right, 2079 01:50:01.239 --> 01:50:03.039 Like it scared the shit out of you whenever you 2080 01:50:03.119 --> 01:50:06.039 watched it, Like in the time, do you remember when 2081 01:50:06.079 --> 01:50:07.640 you were watching it and you were like, oh fuck. 2082 01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:10.159 It was there like an oh fuck moment in that 2083 01:50:10.279 --> 01:50:10.800 movie for. 2084 01:50:10.760 --> 01:50:15.720 You, No, it was. The movie was fine. I watched it. 2085 01:50:15.760 --> 01:50:18.600 I enjoyed it. Actually, I thought it was uh you know. 2086 01:50:18.640 --> 01:50:21.359 They had the jump scare moments, did their job and 2087 01:50:21.399 --> 01:50:24.880 the whole and this creepiness factor and the whole nine. 2088 01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:27.239 I thought it was a great movie. 2089 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:29.640 And then I got home and then I went to bed, 2090 01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:35.079 and then I had an experience and I have never 2091 01:50:35.760 --> 01:50:38.600 in my life, Jonathan, you know, I don't dream. 2092 01:50:38.880 --> 01:50:41.960 This is not a new thing. I've never woke up 2093 01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:44.359 screaming before in my life. 2094 01:50:45.840 --> 01:50:47.840 So, I mean this movie had to have come out 2095 01:50:47.880 --> 01:50:49.560 when you were like in your twenties. 2096 01:50:50.000 --> 01:50:51.239 I was in the Marine Corps. 2097 01:50:51.479 --> 01:50:55.600 Yes, okay, so once again, I'm not like fearful of 2098 01:50:55.680 --> 01:50:57.560 the big bad man in my closet. 2099 01:50:57.279 --> 01:50:58.720 Like no, no, no, this is not who I was 2100 01:50:58.720 --> 01:51:00.560 at this time. I was a fucking grunt, okay. 2101 01:51:00.960 --> 01:51:03.640 And I was watching a paranormal activity with an actor 2102 01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:06.199 like I know where I'm at and what's going on. 2103 01:51:07.119 --> 01:51:11.279 That opened the door, right, those kickstarted the next four 2104 01:51:11.399 --> 01:51:12.920 years of that interaction. 2105 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:15.319 Dude, Those movies can absolutely be a trigger. And that's 2106 01:51:15.359 --> 01:51:19.279 actually something that they say is that you're dude, all right, 2107 01:51:19.560 --> 01:51:23.079 So whenever you're watching TV, and this is really the 2108 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:26.960 trick behind TV in the first place. There is never 2109 01:51:27.039 --> 01:51:29.239 going to be a moment that if you're watching TV 2110 01:51:29.319 --> 01:51:31.800 for sixty seconds or longer, you're going to fall into 2111 01:51:31.840 --> 01:51:34.880 a light trance known as the alpha state. That's just 2112 01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:37.560 like the brain wave state that's going on within your mind. 2113 01:51:37.680 --> 01:51:42.800 So and whenever it comes to movies, your subconscious mind 2114 01:51:43.000 --> 01:51:46.760 does not know the difference between a movie and reality. 2115 01:51:46.840 --> 01:51:49.800 So whenever you're dialed in and you have those jump scares, well, 2116 01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:51.520 I thought that you were just watching a TV. You're 2117 01:51:51.520 --> 01:51:53.600 clearly sitting on your couch. You're not really in danger. 2118 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:56.800 Why are you jumping, right, Because that's your subconscious like 2119 01:51:57.199 --> 01:52:00.600 trigger right there. That's like trying to keep you like 2120 01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:03.720 it's like a it's like an animalistic like instinct within 2121 01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:07.640 you that you know, like it's you think about the 2122 01:52:07.680 --> 01:52:11.279 evolution of humanity. Like all throughout time, there hasn't been 2123 01:52:11.359 --> 01:52:13.560 movies up until like the last one hundred years, one 2124 01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:15.840 hundred and fifty years, whatever it is, right, And so 2125 01:52:16.800 --> 01:52:19.199 you would never have you would never come across a 2126 01:52:19.399 --> 01:52:23.600 situation where you were watching something so realistic that literally 2127 01:52:23.680 --> 01:52:29.000 your mind would kind of like just be hypnotized by 2128 01:52:29.039 --> 01:52:34.399 it and it would simulate an actual reality in your mind, right, Yeah, 2129 01:52:34.439 --> 01:52:37.399 And so it makes sense that like that movie would 2130 01:52:37.399 --> 01:52:38.600 trigger you though on some shit. 2131 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:40.319 And that was right around the time that me and 2132 01:52:40.359 --> 01:52:43.319 my ex wife miscarried, which is around the time when 2133 01:52:43.359 --> 01:52:46.039 I lost my faith and whenever I really started seeing 2134 01:52:46.079 --> 01:52:49.520 the demon everywhere I looked. And you know, it was 2135 01:52:49.560 --> 01:52:51.920 it was not a very positive time in my life. 2136 01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:53.880 I'm gonna be very honest with you. But again, I 2137 01:52:53.920 --> 01:52:56.920 look back on it, and that's mostly because of my 2138 01:52:56.960 --> 01:53:00.000 own decisions and because of the choices that I made 2139 01:53:00.119 --> 01:53:02.680 and the words that I said, and the all of 2140 01:53:02.720 --> 01:53:06.319 the feelings that I had within that I was projecting outwards. 2141 01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:08.840 And I was basically a homing beacon for that motherfucker. 2142 01:53:09.079 --> 01:53:11.159 And I mean he was feeding off of me, because 2143 01:53:11.800 --> 01:53:13.520 that's what they do. They feed off of fear, but 2144 01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:16.520 they also feed off depression, they feed off of angst, 2145 01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:18.680 they feed off of anger. 2146 01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:25.039 Like, Oh, that's real, that's real stuff, dude. Like it. 2147 01:53:25.039 --> 01:53:28.239 It manifests itself one way or another. If you don't 2148 01:53:28.279 --> 01:53:29.760 deal with it, it's going to find a way to 2149 01:53:29.800 --> 01:53:33.479 be dealt with, you know. Yep, that's anyway I didn't 2150 01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:37.439 I didn't mean that to like get all inner personal side. 2151 01:53:37.319 --> 01:53:40.399 Quests are great, Like I love it, so I do 2152 01:53:40.479 --> 01:53:43.800 it myself quite often awesome. And now I have my 2153 01:53:43.960 --> 01:53:45.960 dad saying it stuff. He's like, what do you call 2154 01:53:46.000 --> 01:53:47.840 these again? I'm like, side quests? 2155 01:53:49.000 --> 01:53:51.560 Look, because we're eighty d kids, let's be honest. 2156 01:53:52.479 --> 01:53:56.239 Yes, now one, So the next one I'm going to 2157 01:53:56.279 --> 01:53:59.239 talk about. You guys are probably familiar with. It's the 2158 01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:05.000 process to the Final Judgment. Gets familiar with that one, like. 2159 01:54:04.960 --> 01:54:07.520 I've heard of it, but also with what we do. 2160 01:54:07.560 --> 01:54:09.119 We hear so many alongside. 2161 01:54:08.920 --> 01:54:14.840 Yes, so Sun Sam David Berkowitz supposedly in on to 2162 01:54:14.920 --> 01:54:19.760 meyr Park, you know, they were killing shepherd dogs and 2163 01:54:20.239 --> 01:54:24.720 German Shepherd's particular particularly, and Berkowitz was in this cult 2164 01:54:25.720 --> 01:54:28.720 that supposedly was an offshoot of the Process Church or 2165 01:54:28.760 --> 01:54:33.840 the Final Judgment. So but so they're also known just 2166 01:54:33.880 --> 01:54:37.199 as the Processed Church and their religious group established in 2167 01:54:37.239 --> 01:54:41.079 London of nineteen sixties by two people who were ejected 2168 01:54:41.199 --> 01:54:44.680 from the Church of Scientology. How do you get ejected 2169 01:54:44.720 --> 01:54:46.760 from the Church of Scientology? 2170 01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:48.319 You don't pay time hide. 2171 01:54:48.079 --> 01:54:50.680 From the seventies show was convicted and din't even get 2172 01:54:50.720 --> 01:54:53.079 disowned from Scientology. 2173 01:54:53.520 --> 01:54:54.560 That's called that point. 2174 01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:57.159 But he paid his dues to Tom Cruise and that's 2175 01:54:57.199 --> 01:54:58.239 all that really matters. 2176 01:54:58.399 --> 01:55:00.840 Oh wait, the hide God kicked out Scientology. 2177 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:05.560 No, I got convicted of being a pedophile and he's 2178 01:55:05.600 --> 01:55:07.560 still a member of the church. 2179 01:55:08.159 --> 01:55:10.079 Oh shit, I didn't know. I didn't even know he 2180 01:55:10.119 --> 01:55:10.680 was a part of that. 2181 01:55:11.760 --> 01:55:11.960 Maeah. 2182 01:55:12.319 --> 01:55:14.119 A lot of Hollywood people are, whether they want to 2183 01:55:14.119 --> 01:55:17.199 say it out loud or not, it's pretty wild, right. 2184 01:55:17.920 --> 01:55:22.239 So together, Mary Ann McLean and Robert D. Kernston developed 2185 01:55:22.239 --> 01:55:25.600 their own practices based on a pantheon of four gods 2186 01:55:25.640 --> 01:55:28.640 known as the Great Gods of the Universe. The four 2187 01:55:28.800 --> 01:55:33.039 are Jehovah, Lucifer, Satan, and Christ, and none are evil. Instead, 2188 01:55:33.079 --> 01:55:37.880 each exemplifies different patterns of human existence. Each member selects 2189 01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:40.600 one or two of the four that is closest to 2190 01:55:40.640 --> 01:55:42.760 their own personality. 2191 01:55:43.159 --> 01:55:46.880 So so Jesus and Christ are separate entity or excuse me, 2192 01:55:46.960 --> 01:55:49.399 Jehovah and Christ are separate into okay, I'm with you, 2193 01:55:49.439 --> 01:55:52.479 with you, and then we have Satan and Lucifer separate 2194 01:55:52.600 --> 01:55:54.560 entities okay, which. 2195 01:55:54.399 --> 01:55:57.199 Kind of like takes like the whole concept of you know, 2196 01:55:57.479 --> 01:56:00.960 when you look at the yeah, that's like the like 2197 01:56:01.680 --> 01:56:05.600 with Satanism, like you know, yeah, kind of like you 2198 01:56:05.640 --> 01:56:09.039 know both, it's weird. 2199 01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:14.960 This is Ying Yang with more steps, Okay, So okay, next, 2200 01:56:15.079 --> 01:56:17.520 I mean I don't dislike that as a theory though, 2201 01:56:17.640 --> 01:56:21.079 like a more intricate Yang yang balance of harmony, Like 2202 01:56:21.159 --> 01:56:23.640 I can at least see the where they're coming from here, 2203 01:56:23.680 --> 01:56:26.000 assume these they're trying to put together, right. 2204 01:56:26.199 --> 01:56:29.079 Right, it's a it's almost like you're looking at the 2205 01:56:29.199 --> 01:56:35.319 duality concepts again, which is very prevalent in the culture 2206 01:56:35.720 --> 01:56:40.880 and in many of the Satanic sects out there. So 2207 01:56:40.880 --> 01:56:42.560 so the next thing I want to talk about is 2208 01:56:42.720 --> 01:56:46.239 it's called anti cosmic Satanism, and it's also known as 2209 01:56:46.359 --> 01:56:50.840 chaos narcissism, or the misanthropic luciferine order and Temple of 2210 01:56:50.880 --> 01:56:54.800 the Black Light. Anti cosmic Satanists believe that the cosmic 2211 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:57.840 order that was created by God is a fabrication and 2212 01:56:58.079 --> 01:57:02.039 behind that reality is an endless and formless chaos. Some 2213 01:57:02.199 --> 01:57:06.000 of its practitioners, such as Veccio or twenty one B 2214 01:57:06.319 --> 01:57:10.640 and John Novatt of the Black Metal ban Dissection, are 2215 01:57:10.760 --> 01:57:14.119 nihilists who preferred that the world to return to its 2216 01:57:14.159 --> 01:57:18.960 normal state of chaos. So like saying black metal Norwegian bands. 2217 01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:22.880 I know one of the guys, one guy, they both 2218 01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:25.880 were convicted of killing somebody. I believe in the one 2219 01:57:26.199 --> 01:57:29.479 committed suicide when he got out of prison. I believe 2220 01:57:29.479 --> 01:57:31.800 these are probably kind of like the same groups that 2221 01:57:31.840 --> 01:57:35.840 were like burning down the churches over there and everything 2222 01:57:35.920 --> 01:57:38.520 like that. So but very nihilistic. 2223 01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:42.119 You know, nihilism doesn't make sense to me either, Like 2224 01:57:42.159 --> 01:57:44.199 if you're going to be a satanist and a nihilist, 2225 01:57:44.239 --> 01:57:47.479 then like what why do either If you're a nihilist, 2226 01:57:47.479 --> 01:57:49.079 why give a fuck at all? I don't get it. 2227 01:57:49.199 --> 01:57:51.279 Those roads lead to the same place. 2228 01:57:52.560 --> 01:57:57.560 Right, it doesn't. One plus one still equals two to me. 2229 01:57:57.640 --> 01:57:58.159 I don't get it. 2230 01:57:58.439 --> 01:58:01.520 Well, I just feel like if you're an atheist, like 2231 01:58:01.760 --> 01:58:05.079 that is kind of opening up the gateway to like 2232 01:58:05.199 --> 01:58:08.960 to nihilism, right, because why wouldn't it, Like if you 2233 01:58:09.039 --> 01:58:11.560 think that there is nothing, there's no reason for this 2234 01:58:11.640 --> 01:58:13.920 to happen, that there is no order, there is no 2235 01:58:14.039 --> 01:58:17.960 magic here or any of that, like you're going to 2236 01:58:18.520 --> 01:58:20.479 it's going to lead you to nihilism eventually. 2237 01:58:20.880 --> 01:58:29.119 Right, Yes, people are wild, dude, Yes that's an understatement. 2238 01:58:30.039 --> 01:58:32.800 So these are these black metal groups, and like you said, 2239 01:58:32.840 --> 01:58:35.239 I remember hearing about or reading about, I should say, 2240 01:58:35.279 --> 01:58:37.760 these churches that were being burned down in Europe, not 2241 01:58:37.800 --> 01:58:39.079 just norm but all over Europe. 2242 01:58:39.239 --> 01:58:40.279 Yeah, yeah, and. 2243 01:58:42.439 --> 01:58:44.640 Yes, because it wasn't They weren't even trying to turn 2244 01:58:44.680 --> 01:58:46.720 back to their pagan roots. It was being done by 2245 01:58:46.720 --> 01:58:50.399 Satanists and nihilism things, or at least that the narrative. Now, 2246 01:58:50.479 --> 01:58:52.800 I don't know, it's what nuance of Satanism they were 2247 01:58:52.880 --> 01:58:54.000 these are you said, this. 2248 01:58:54.119 --> 01:58:56.960 Was the anti cosmic. 2249 01:58:57.000 --> 01:59:02.560 Anti cosmic Satanists, right, and they're burning church's cosmic Satanism. 2250 01:59:02.840 --> 01:59:03.960 Yeah? Wowd shit. 2251 01:59:04.279 --> 01:59:06.520 So this was something that was in the seventies. I'm 2252 01:59:06.560 --> 01:59:13.720 guessing nineties. No, oh, interesting in the nineties, okay, yeah. 2253 01:59:13.359 --> 01:59:15.680 When you're looking at like death metal and black metal 2254 01:59:15.720 --> 01:59:18.399 bands that are going a little little extra. You got 2255 01:59:18.439 --> 01:59:20.560 Ozzie that was biting the head off of bats, right, 2256 01:59:20.640 --> 01:59:23.520 ooh ah, they were gummy bears. Then all of a sudden, 2257 01:59:23.560 --> 01:59:26.560 these youngsters started taking it a little too far and 2258 01:59:26.600 --> 01:59:29.159 thinking that everything was real, Like, no, dude, there's a song, 2259 01:59:29.239 --> 01:59:31.720 we don't act on this shit, and they're going to 2260 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:36.039 burning cathedrals cause you don't know Ooh, we're so metal like. Yeah. 2261 01:59:36.640 --> 01:59:43.239 Off, So the next one I have is demonolatry, and 2262 01:59:43.319 --> 01:59:46.359 it's basically the worship of demons, but some sex see 2263 01:59:46.359 --> 01:59:49.520 each demon as a separate force or energy that can 2264 01:59:49.560 --> 01:59:52.600 be used to aid in the practitioners rituals or magic. 2265 01:59:53.279 --> 01:59:56.960 The book entitled Modern Demon Altrey by S. Conley lists 2266 01:59:57.000 --> 01:59:59.960 well over two hundred demons, which I thought was interesting 2267 02:00:00.000 --> 02:00:03.319 because that's the same number as the Fallen Watcher angels. 2268 02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:09.439 Yep, so I'm picking up what you're putting down and yep. 2269 02:00:09.479 --> 02:00:09.880 Moving on. 2270 02:00:10.359 --> 02:00:13.439 Yeah, so, well over two hundred demons from a multitude 2271 02:00:13.479 --> 02:00:17.600 of different religions. Ancient and modern adherents choose the worship 2272 02:00:17.640 --> 02:00:20.960 demons that mirror their own attributes are ones whom they 2273 02:00:21.000 --> 02:00:25.119 share connection. And when I first read about this, it 2274 02:00:25.199 --> 02:00:27.840 made me think of the Lesser Key of Solomon in 2275 02:00:27.920 --> 02:00:32.159 the Goatia the mid seventeenth century, which was based off 2276 02:00:32.399 --> 02:00:37.800 the pseudographical text Testament of Solomon, which then brought to 2277 02:00:37.880 --> 02:00:40.520 mind how I was. I was looking for something on 2278 02:00:40.680 --> 02:00:43.840 Amazon Nephilum related, I don't remember what it was, and 2279 02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:49.159 I inadvertently came across this book called Leber Nephlum. Yeah, 2280 02:00:49.239 --> 02:00:51.279 so I don't know, I don't remember what it was 2281 02:00:51.319 --> 02:00:54.359 I was doing doing, but I was looking for something, 2282 02:00:54.760 --> 02:00:57.520 and I'm across this book and it was called Leber Nephlam, 2283 02:00:57.560 --> 02:01:01.840 a grimwire of fallen angels by freighter, which, by the way, Barrabas, 2284 02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:04.319 according to the New Testament, was a prisoner. He was 2285 02:01:04.399 --> 02:01:06.840 chosen over Jesus by the crowd in Jerusalem to be 2286 02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:10.119 pardoned and released by Ponscious Pilot as this was a 2287 02:01:10.119 --> 02:01:14.319 prevailing passover custom at that time. So it's almost kind 2288 02:01:14.319 --> 02:01:16.840 of like a cheeky name he's using for himself, but 2289 02:01:17.000 --> 02:01:18.840 it is a grimwire to summon Nephaloon. 2290 02:01:20.520 --> 02:01:25.840 Yeah, oh, to summon Nephalum, Yes, I don't. I wonder 2291 02:01:25.880 --> 02:01:28.159 why you would want to summon Nephelum anyway, Aren't they 2292 02:01:28.279 --> 02:01:29.239 like demigods? 2293 02:01:29.960 --> 02:01:32.760 Why would you want to summon demons? Certain people do 2294 02:01:32.840 --> 02:01:33.680 certain things. 2295 02:01:33.399 --> 02:01:35.920 Man, I mean, and you're gonna play pretty much are demons. 2296 02:01:36.199 --> 02:01:37.600 Yeah, I know. But if you're gonna play on the 2297 02:01:37.680 --> 02:01:39.840 dark side, you may as well go all the way dark, 2298 02:01:39.880 --> 02:01:41.000 not just halfway darn. 2299 02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:44.680 Yeah, well, I guess it depends on what you're trying 2300 02:01:44.720 --> 02:01:48.159 to get, right, Certain Nephalom might be a half demon, 2301 02:01:48.239 --> 02:01:53.399 half uh storm deity might be a half demon, half 2302 02:01:53.840 --> 02:01:58.000 animal deity, might might be a half water who knows 2303 02:01:58.199 --> 02:01:59.479 to what level and degrees? 2304 02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:03.119 But I I'm agreeing with you. Why would you people 2305 02:02:03.159 --> 02:02:03.680 be doing it? 2306 02:02:04.239 --> 02:02:07.680 I would imagine, like you know, just like each one 2307 02:02:07.720 --> 02:02:12.680 of them brought mankind certain knowledge or certain technology that 2308 02:02:12.720 --> 02:02:15.039 would kind of, you know, translate into this. 2309 02:02:15.840 --> 02:02:18.760 I could see that very closely, being like, you're worshiping 2310 02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:23.079 this just for that. I'm oversimplifying contrived example, I understand, 2311 02:02:23.119 --> 02:02:26.760 but bear with me. Greek pantheon pick a god doesn't matter, yes, 2312 02:02:26.800 --> 02:02:31.319 and you are doing an awe st or right right, 2313 02:02:31.880 --> 02:02:34.960 But you're doing it offering to that god to bless 2314 02:02:35.000 --> 02:02:36.960 your crops. But you would do a offering to this 2315 02:02:37.159 --> 02:02:41.000 god for a bountiful fishing this morning. And like you 2316 02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:43.000 see what I'm saying, maybe you would call upon one 2317 02:02:43.079 --> 02:02:45.079 for another reason versus another. 2318 02:02:45.159 --> 02:02:45.920 Who knows. 2319 02:02:46.479 --> 02:02:48.880 I was getting ready to go from what is that 2320 02:02:49.000 --> 02:02:50.760 nutty professor Hercules? 2321 02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:54.039 Hercules the best part of the movie. 2322 02:02:54.199 --> 02:02:57.239 Yees, yes, indeed, oh man, Eddie Murphy's just a goat, 2323 02:02:57.359 --> 02:02:58.600 isn't he? Yeah? He is? 2324 02:02:58.680 --> 02:03:01.680 Dude anyway, probably literally. 2325 02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:06.359 No, I don't do that. Let me. Damn it, let 2326 02:03:06.359 --> 02:03:08.840 me have Eddie Murphy. Don't find don't tell me you 2327 02:03:08.880 --> 02:03:10.720 found out he's a part of some list somewhere. 2328 02:03:10.880 --> 02:03:14.239 Bro, Look how high up in Hollywood he is. Are 2329 02:03:14.239 --> 02:03:16.800 you still literally believing that these people are good? 2330 02:03:17.479 --> 02:03:19.520 No? No, no, But Eddie Murphy earned his way up. 2331 02:03:19.520 --> 02:03:21.279 You can see where he started in his young stand 2332 02:03:21.399 --> 02:03:23.600 up days to where he grew as an actor. Now, 2333 02:03:24.000 --> 02:03:27.119 if he has been said to be on a list somewhere, 2334 02:03:27.119 --> 02:03:29.039 I will have to change my tone about him. But 2335 02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:32.319 as of now, Eddie Murphy is still a great guy. 2336 02:03:32.479 --> 02:03:33.720 Please don't take this from me. 2337 02:03:33.840 --> 02:03:36.680 Look, if I gotta lose Adam Sandler, you losing Eddie Murphy. 2338 02:03:36.720 --> 02:03:37.119 All right? 2339 02:03:37.239 --> 02:03:38.600 I lost Tom Hanks. 2340 02:03:39.520 --> 02:03:40.760 We all lost Tom Hanks. 2341 02:03:41.079 --> 02:03:43.399 I don't want to lose Samuel L. Jackson. He's the 2342 02:03:43.520 --> 02:03:44.680 narrator of my life. 2343 02:03:44.920 --> 02:03:49.279 Same same and Morgan Freeman. Let us keep the pure, Okay. 2344 02:03:49.520 --> 02:03:52.279 We need one guy out there, motherfucking everybody. Yes, and 2345 02:03:52.279 --> 02:03:55.039 when he won, guy out there just narrating the life. 2346 02:03:55.079 --> 02:03:57.960 Oh you mean the same Samuel L. Jackson that's covering 2347 02:03:58.039 --> 02:04:00.680 up one eye all throughout every Marvel movie. 2348 02:04:01.039 --> 02:04:01.640 God damn it. 2349 02:04:02.079 --> 02:04:02.520 Oh shit. 2350 02:04:02.800 --> 02:04:07.319 Oh he's wearing an eyepatch. I'm just saying there's symbolism everywhere. 2351 02:04:07.920 --> 02:04:08.760 Ah damn it. 2352 02:04:09.119 --> 02:04:11.960 All right, all right, didn't mean to burst the bubble. 2353 02:04:11.960 --> 02:04:13.880 You can go go back to Blue Pillon Jacob. 2354 02:04:16.880 --> 02:04:20.159 Okay, So I have three more to cover, and the 2355 02:04:20.199 --> 02:04:23.479 next one I want to cover is transcendental Satanism. And 2356 02:04:23.600 --> 02:04:29.039 this one's really kind of out there. So Transcendental Satanism 2357 02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:33.359 is secreated by Matt quote the Lord unquote Zay, an 2358 02:04:33.399 --> 02:04:37.000 adult video director who's brand of Satanism Kingdom in a 2359 02:04:37.079 --> 02:04:42.000 dream after taking the drug LSD. Transcendental Satanists seek a 2360 02:04:42.000 --> 02:04:44.600 form of spiritual evolution, with the end goal of each 2361 02:04:44.680 --> 02:04:48.560 individual a reunification with his or her inner Satanic aspect. 2362 02:04:49.159 --> 02:04:52.640 Followers feel that the Satanic aspect in life is a 2363 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:55.600 hidden part of the self that is separate from consciousness, 2364 02:04:55.920 --> 02:04:58.039 and believers can find their way to that self by 2365 02:04:58.039 --> 02:05:03.720 falling an individually determined, bat determined path uh, presumably fueled 2366 02:05:03.720 --> 02:05:06.479 by sex and drugs. I'm assuming I. 2367 02:05:06.439 --> 02:05:08.920 Was gonna say so a male porn star took LSD 2368 02:05:09.079 --> 02:05:11.920 and then found this brand of Satanism, or did I 2369 02:05:11.960 --> 02:05:13.199 miss something That sounds all right? 2370 02:05:13.239 --> 02:05:16.079 That's pretty much Yeah, that's pretty much what it says. 2371 02:05:16.359 --> 02:05:18.600 For the record, I'm not trying to judge the man 2372 02:05:18.640 --> 02:05:21.000 based off of this past. Everybody's got one, but like, okay, 2373 02:05:21.039 --> 02:05:22.920 he found some sort of enlightenment and ran with it. 2374 02:05:22.960 --> 02:05:27.880 But uh so go on this little bit more so 2375 02:05:28.319 --> 02:05:29.279 was it that they believe? 2376 02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:32.960 It's interesting how this guy goes on a fucking acid 2377 02:05:33.000 --> 02:05:37.720 trip and all of a sudden he's like Satanism. That's 2378 02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:43.000 the way, dude, It's clearly obviously the way, right right, right, right. 2379 02:05:43.359 --> 02:05:45.920 Well, it's interesting how he ties that to enlightenment. But 2380 02:05:46.039 --> 02:05:49.079 I mean, I guess you could kind of tie that 2381 02:05:49.159 --> 02:05:52.479 into enlightenment if you look at it from the Luciferian aspect. 2382 02:05:54.119 --> 02:05:57.359 But what I found interesting about this is like with 2383 02:05:57.439 --> 02:06:00.760 the drugs, if they do you stressed, I feel, and 2384 02:06:01.000 --> 02:06:04.000 I talked I was on the Flump Death Squad talking 2385 02:06:04.000 --> 02:06:08.319 about this. I too, I do believe some I do 2386 02:06:09.520 --> 02:06:13.439 feel that when you do certain substances like DNT, highluasca 2387 02:06:13.479 --> 02:06:19.880 and stuff, you are lifting the veil. Essentially, Yes, you're 2388 02:06:20.079 --> 02:06:24.960 the parallel universes are intersecting. So because it's too much 2389 02:06:25.000 --> 02:06:27.800 of a coincidence for everybody to be seeing machine elves 2390 02:06:27.840 --> 02:06:30.079 when they do DNT. 2391 02:06:29.560 --> 02:06:31.920 Right, I'm actually a little jealous. I did DMT. I 2392 02:06:31.960 --> 02:06:33.000 didn't see no damn else. 2393 02:06:35.000 --> 02:06:38.119 I'm curious about that. There's so many stories and everybody 2394 02:06:38.159 --> 02:06:39.560 says you will see the elves. 2395 02:06:39.920 --> 02:06:42.159 You did it twice. I did not see the elves. 2396 02:06:42.159 --> 02:06:43.720 And then everybody else in the room that did it, 2397 02:06:43.760 --> 02:06:45.000 None of y'all saw elves. No. 2398 02:06:45.920 --> 02:06:47.399 I just want to see the Keebler elves. 2399 02:06:48.119 --> 02:06:51.319 I know, make me some cookies, baby, that would be dope. 2400 02:06:51.399 --> 02:06:53.399 Hold on that telling me if I was the trip 2401 02:06:53.439 --> 02:06:55.680 Balls and I'm just chilling in a tree eating cookies 2402 02:06:55.720 --> 02:06:58.359 until I wake up. Look, man, that sounds awesome. 2403 02:06:58.479 --> 02:07:00.760 That's the dream. 2404 02:07:00.800 --> 02:07:03.600 Which is interesting that because we we recently did a 2405 02:07:03.680 --> 02:07:07.039 Christmas episode about you know, like the kind of like 2406 02:07:07.079 --> 02:07:11.880 the foundation of where a lot of the Christmas like 2407 02:07:12.439 --> 02:07:17.439 heritage that we come to make a tradition or whatever. Right, 2408 02:07:17.560 --> 02:07:20.239 and we've talked about the elves and we brought up 2409 02:07:20.279 --> 02:07:22.800 the machine elves and all that kind of stuff, and 2410 02:07:22.800 --> 02:07:27.159 and like how the emininamscaria mushrooms people were taking that 2411 02:07:27.279 --> 02:07:29.479 to trip Balls, and so maybe you would see the 2412 02:07:29.520 --> 02:07:33.560 machine elves there and then like and then Keebler goes 2413 02:07:33.560 --> 02:07:36.000 and makes like, oh, you know what, we're gonna we're 2414 02:07:36.000 --> 02:07:39.199 gonna make elves like our our fucking mascot over here, 2415 02:07:39.199 --> 02:07:41.680 and they're gonna make cookies the same cookies. Maybe the 2416 02:07:41.720 --> 02:07:43.560 Santa Claus is eating on the way out of the door. 2417 02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:44.079 I don't know. 2418 02:07:46.720 --> 02:07:51.039 Yeah, that's pretty fun episode too. We call it we 2419 02:07:51.239 --> 02:07:53.920 barely talked about Crampus because so many people talk about him, 2420 02:07:53.960 --> 02:07:55.359 and we've talked about him in the past. 2421 02:07:55.760 --> 02:07:57.439 This time we kind of did a little extra on 2422 02:07:57.479 --> 02:08:01.279 the mule Lads, which that was cool, And I didn't 2423 02:08:01.279 --> 02:08:04.279 know all their names, like the Sausage Snatcher and the 2424 02:08:04.960 --> 02:08:09.199 Bowlt Liquor and the you know, it's crazy Grilla, the 2425 02:08:09.279 --> 02:08:12.680 Witch and her her son's it's a wild shit in Germany. 2426 02:08:12.720 --> 02:08:15.239 They'll steal your pots and pans and everything. It's weird. 2427 02:08:16.520 --> 02:08:18.600 Yeah, I told my parents. I'm like, wow, if you 2428 02:08:18.640 --> 02:08:20.520 really wanted to get my ass in line when I 2429 02:08:20.560 --> 02:08:21.920 was a kid, like, you should have told me about 2430 02:08:21.960 --> 02:08:26.199 cramp It's not Santa Claus giving me col yeah no, no, yeah, 2431 02:08:26.239 --> 02:08:27.319 but the nightmares? 2432 02:08:27.840 --> 02:08:28.319 Oh cool? 2433 02:08:28.359 --> 02:08:30.199 Real, sure, our kids what Crampis was. 2434 02:08:30.239 --> 02:08:33.359 We just watched that new Christmas movie Red One, and 2435 02:08:33.439 --> 02:08:35.359 Crampis has a role in it, and my kids are 2436 02:08:35.359 --> 02:08:38.319 both because he looks like what the caricature of Satan 2437 02:08:38.479 --> 02:08:40.720 is or a demon, And they're like, Dad, do people 2438 02:08:40.760 --> 02:08:43.479 really believe in that? And I'm like, okay, oh boy, 2439 02:08:44.720 --> 02:08:47.039 let me find a YouTube video. Hold on, and I 2440 02:08:47.079 --> 02:08:50.039 showed them the parade of Crampus this year, and they're like, wait, 2441 02:08:50.079 --> 02:08:52.479 so what is this. I'm like, think about Mardi Girl, 2442 02:08:52.560 --> 02:08:57.479 think about Halloween. But it's super German, super old traditional 2443 02:08:57.560 --> 02:09:00.439 thing and it's not right right. And I had explained 2444 02:09:00.439 --> 02:09:02.319 to them the folklore of it all and stuff, But 2445 02:09:02.920 --> 02:09:05.920 I was actually happy that my children weren't like terrified 2446 02:09:06.000 --> 02:09:08.439 by the look of Corompus when they saw them on screen. 2447 02:09:08.479 --> 02:09:10.800 Their first thought was, oh, it's like Beauty and the Beast. 2448 02:09:10.840 --> 02:09:15.680 I'm like, huh, okay, kids, okay. But then I thought 2449 02:09:15.680 --> 02:09:18.359 about it deeper, and I was like, fuck you, Disney 2450 02:09:18.520 --> 02:09:21.319 yea again for real? 2451 02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:28.720 Anything sacred, not one anyway anyway, So I got Tumor. 2452 02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:33.760 The next one's the Satanic reds and their view. They 2453 02:09:33.840 --> 02:09:36.199 view Satan as a dark force that has existed since 2454 02:09:36.199 --> 02:09:40.359 the beginning of time. It's major proponent, Tanny Jansing. I'm 2455 02:09:40.359 --> 02:09:44.520 probably pronouncing that wrong, claims the pre Sanskirt history of 2456 02:09:44.560 --> 02:09:47.399 the Call and believes that individuals must follow their own 2457 02:09:47.600 --> 02:09:52.000 chakras to find their inner force. That interforce exists in everyone, 2458 02:09:52.159 --> 02:09:55.520 and it is trying to evolve according to each individual's environment. 2459 02:09:55.920 --> 02:09:59.920 The reds is an explicit reference to socialism. Many Satanic 2460 02:10:00.079 --> 02:10:03.960 reds espouse the right of workers to throw off the chains. 2461 02:10:04.600 --> 02:10:10.960 So, yeah, that made me think commis but I didn't know, 2462 02:10:11.640 --> 02:10:15.680 but so real quick, So the whole commy and socialist 2463 02:10:15.720 --> 02:10:18.560 and Marxist thing means religion is bad and we need 2464 02:10:18.600 --> 02:10:19.159 to throw it out. 2465 02:10:19.279 --> 02:10:22.720 But this is a okay yep, And it's. 2466 02:10:22.600 --> 02:10:25.399 Kind of it's kind of like a little New Age 2467 02:10:26.359 --> 02:10:30.319 tied into I look here, because it. 2468 02:10:30.319 --> 02:10:35.119 Didn't sound very dark panic. It sounded more yeah mm hmm. 2469 02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:37.760 Yeah, it seems like more like a little bit of 2470 02:10:38.239 --> 02:10:41.319 New Age. I don't really know how they put the 2471 02:10:41.319 --> 02:10:45.399 Satanism in there, a little bit of Luciferianism like the 2472 02:10:45.680 --> 02:10:48.920 workers' rights to throw off the chains. So and then 2473 02:10:48.960 --> 02:10:55.359 their little socialism counterpart in there. So very fascinating that 2474 02:10:55.439 --> 02:10:58.439 they Yeah, I mean, And the thing is this is 2475 02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:02.039 there's probably so many other types out there that you know, 2476 02:11:02.359 --> 02:11:05.840 aren't even covered in this article. But I think these 2477 02:11:05.880 --> 02:11:08.640 are some of the more prevalent ones, which even some 2478 02:11:08.680 --> 02:11:11.520 of the like I've never heard of them before or whatever. 2479 02:11:11.640 --> 02:11:16.560 So but so you don't and then you know, later 2480 02:11:16.640 --> 02:11:20.079 on in my presentation stuff I as to talk about 2481 02:11:20.119 --> 02:11:27.359 like ritualistic homicide and talking about like the difference between 2482 02:11:27.479 --> 02:11:31.119 true practitioners and dabblers, because you know, like we talked 2483 02:11:31.159 --> 02:11:35.600 about the teenage angst Satanism, like there's a lot of 2484 02:11:35.600 --> 02:11:40.760 people that are dabblers, and they seemed to get discredited. 2485 02:11:40.840 --> 02:11:44.880 Just because someone's dabbling doesn't mean you know, their intent 2486 02:11:45.119 --> 02:11:50.600 isn't there, you know, so and again you know, it's 2487 02:11:50.640 --> 02:11:51.600 what they believe. 2488 02:11:53.439 --> 02:11:55.439 Yeah, I mean, I think that you can dabble in 2489 02:11:55.479 --> 02:11:58.680 pretty much anything. But it's all about like, in my opinion, 2490 02:11:58.800 --> 02:12:01.479 I think that it's about how much are you actually 2491 02:12:01.520 --> 02:12:04.399 believing this? You know, like is it a game? Is 2492 02:12:04.439 --> 02:12:07.199 it a niche kind of thing that maybe one of 2493 02:12:07.239 --> 02:12:10.520 your edgy friends taught you about or something like that. 2494 02:12:11.000 --> 02:12:14.680 You know, it's kind of like you know, they say whenever, 2495 02:12:14.960 --> 02:12:16.720 like whenever you go to pray at night, like you 2496 02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:20.800 have to imagine this. I don't know if this is 2497 02:12:20.840 --> 02:12:22.760 true or not. I heard this. This is what I 2498 02:12:22.840 --> 02:12:24.920 understood from it anyway. But whenever you go and pray 2499 02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:28.920 at night, you're supposed to imagine, imagine whatever you're praying 2500 02:12:29.039 --> 02:12:32.560 as if it has already happened, and you're thanking God 2501 02:12:33.039 --> 02:12:35.920 for it happening. And supposedly there's some literature within the 2502 02:12:35.920 --> 02:12:38.000 Bible that can back that up. I'm not one hundred 2503 02:12:38.000 --> 02:12:38.640 percent on that. 2504 02:12:39.439 --> 02:12:42.760 You're not off base. You're not supposed to imagine. You 2505 02:12:42.840 --> 02:12:46.319 are supposed to believe in faith and you are. Yes, 2506 02:12:46.399 --> 02:12:48.640 you could say thanking Him in advance, so to speak, 2507 02:12:48.640 --> 02:12:50.439 but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen for you. It 2508 02:12:50.680 --> 02:12:53.439 happen according to His will, and you also have to 2509 02:12:53.479 --> 02:12:54.680 include that in your prayer. 2510 02:12:55.319 --> 02:12:58.199 And we have that right. 2511 02:12:58.279 --> 02:13:00.640 We have to make sure that God's will is at 2512 02:13:00.640 --> 02:13:02.319 the forefront above our own. 2513 02:13:02.399 --> 02:13:03.640 But that's so your point. 2514 02:13:03.720 --> 02:13:06.680 Yes, when you pray, and you're praying, I guess for 2515 02:13:06.760 --> 02:13:09.039 a specific purpose and intention, like healing. 2516 02:13:09.239 --> 02:13:12.079 For instance, Let's say you're praying for your mother to 2517 02:13:12.079 --> 02:13:15.520 be healed of heart cancer. You're not praying for the 2518 02:13:15.600 --> 02:13:16.520 cancer to go away. 2519 02:13:16.560 --> 02:13:19.960 You're thanking God for his healing powers and that He 2520 02:13:20.119 --> 02:13:22.119 is working in your mother at this time. 2521 02:13:22.199 --> 02:13:24.359 You see what I'm saying, Yes, great or. 2522 02:13:24.239 --> 02:13:27.319 In the in the other side of it too, is like, Okay, 2523 02:13:27.439 --> 02:13:30.199 it might not happen my the way I want my 2524 02:13:30.319 --> 02:13:32.720 prayer not the answer, but God will get me through it. 2525 02:13:33.359 --> 02:13:37.720 Yeah, yeah, right right, I mean it's yeah, I guess so, yeah, 2526 02:13:37.720 --> 02:13:38.199 that makes sense. 2527 02:13:38.319 --> 02:13:40.720 You're not you weren't off base here, but yeah, we're 2528 02:13:40.720 --> 02:13:41.840 in the same ballpark for sure. 2529 02:13:42.840 --> 02:13:43.520 Yeah. 2530 02:13:43.119 --> 02:13:46.520 But I think Jonathan, again, that's like kind of intentions, 2531 02:13:46.560 --> 02:13:50.439 like intention. You know, you have to really have faith, 2532 02:13:51.760 --> 02:13:57.319 you know, when you whatever religion is you're practicing. And 2533 02:13:57.439 --> 02:14:00.399 I think from faith stems intention too. 2534 02:14:01.199 --> 02:14:05.159 Sure. Sure, And I think that that faith is such 2535 02:14:05.319 --> 02:14:08.039 a it's kind of a rabbit hole of a word. 2536 02:14:08.399 --> 02:14:10.439 I think, to be honest with you, because I don't 2537 02:14:10.439 --> 02:14:12.720 know if a lot of people understand just how deep 2538 02:14:13.279 --> 02:14:16.800 what having faith actually does, Like it is crazy the 2539 02:14:16.840 --> 02:14:20.399 amount of things that can happen. Judge the kind of 2540 02:14:20.439 --> 02:14:23.439 like based upon the level of faith that you have. 2541 02:14:23.560 --> 02:14:26.319 Like if you think that God and Jesus are are 2542 02:14:26.439 --> 02:14:30.000 like all holy powers that can literally make anything happen 2543 02:14:30.079 --> 02:14:32.920 within this matrix, then you would be saying, all right, well, 2544 02:14:32.960 --> 02:14:34.800 I have faith that you'll be able to do this 2545 02:14:35.000 --> 02:14:36.760 or do that or whatever, and maybe it. Maybe it 2546 02:14:36.840 --> 02:14:39.880 happens because of your level of faith. I don't know. 2547 02:14:40.000 --> 02:14:41.640 That's my own interpretation of it. 2548 02:14:42.079 --> 02:14:44.560 But faith also is kind of convoluted in that sense 2549 02:14:44.560 --> 02:14:47.359 of like, Okay, when I get on an airplane, I don't 2550 02:14:47.640 --> 02:14:50.920 believe we're gonna land safely. I have faith that we're 2551 02:14:50.920 --> 02:14:53.159 gonna land safely. Like, I'm not worried about it. I'm 2552 02:14:53.199 --> 02:14:53.800 not concerned. 2553 02:14:54.359 --> 02:14:57.399 I'm going about my day with the faith of this. 2554 02:14:57.520 --> 02:14:59.800 Now do I have knowledge of this? Do I know 2555 02:14:59.880 --> 02:15:01.159 that for one hundred percent fact? 2556 02:15:01.159 --> 02:15:02.640 Now? No, I do not, No one can. 2557 02:15:03.359 --> 02:15:05.920 But I have enough faith in the pilot and in 2558 02:15:06.000 --> 02:15:07.960 the airplane and in the systems that we have in 2559 02:15:08.000 --> 02:15:10.079 place that everything's gonna work out fine. 2560 02:15:10.119 --> 02:15:12.079 So I'm not worried about it. You see what I mean? 2561 02:15:12.640 --> 02:15:16.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Anyway, Sorry, let's uh, let's 2562 02:15:16.640 --> 02:15:17.279 continue here. 2563 02:15:17.720 --> 02:15:23.680 Ye, last one, and this one I find really interesting. 2564 02:15:24.560 --> 02:15:27.199 It's the call of Cutulhu, and it's face. 2565 02:15:29.119 --> 02:15:30.920 That's listed as Satanism. 2566 02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:34.159 It yeah, it is, but I. 2567 02:15:34.039 --> 02:15:37.840 Have no idea. Oh my god, yes, please go on this. 2568 02:15:39.239 --> 02:15:43.800 So, based on HP lovecraft novels, the cults of Cutulhu 2569 02:15:43.880 --> 02:15:46.399 are small groups which have arisen with the same name 2570 02:15:46.479 --> 02:15:49.720 but have radically different goals. Some believe that the fictional 2571 02:15:49.840 --> 02:15:52.720 creature was real will eventually usher in an era of 2572 02:15:52.800 --> 02:15:56.680 chaos and uninhibited violence, wiping out humanity in the process. 2573 02:15:57.359 --> 02:16:01.079 Others simply subscribe to the philosophy of ctulu, a philosophy 2574 02:16:01.159 --> 02:16:04.319 of cosmic indifference, that the universe is a meaningless and 2575 02:16:04.359 --> 02:16:08.199 mechanical system that is indifferent to the existence of human beings. 2576 02:16:08.720 --> 02:16:11.159 Other members of the Cull are not Satanists at all, 2577 02:16:11.319 --> 02:16:17.119 but used to call to celebrate Lovecraft's ingenuinity. So I'm 2578 02:16:17.159 --> 02:16:22.159 a big Lovecraft fan, and I definitely think he was channeling. 2579 02:16:22.039 --> 02:16:26.720 Things, Oh my God, based on the idea that humanity 2580 02:16:26.880 --> 02:16:29.560 is insignificant in the face of the cosmos and that 2581 02:16:29.640 --> 02:16:33.559 humans are at the mercy of the universe's vastness. Oh 2582 02:16:33.680 --> 02:16:36.719 that is kind of like, that's that's kind of dark. 2583 02:16:36.799 --> 02:16:38.360 I feel like, oh, yo. 2584 02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:40.360 No, this is dark dark yo. Give me a give 2585 02:16:40.360 --> 02:16:42.120 me the ability to share this screamer real quick. I 2586 02:16:42.120 --> 02:16:45.239 got a quick, little one minute, thirty second clip. I'm 2587 02:16:45.280 --> 02:16:48.639 talking about old Katulu, you know, and let's just let's 2588 02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:52.079 just hear what they got to say about it. 2589 02:16:52.120 --> 02:16:56.280 You know, he always reverences fucking South Park for everything, 2590 02:16:56.360 --> 02:16:57.120 because it's. 2591 02:17:00.440 --> 02:17:03.799 Crudu rightw wa gall. 2592 02:17:05.639 --> 02:17:09.959 The old one has awakened. A lot of us have 2593 02:17:10.040 --> 02:17:13.079 waited a long time for this day. Well for all 2594 02:17:13.159 --> 02:17:16.399 our South Park Tulu cult members, all the new it 2595 02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:22.040 is time to party. Yeah, there must be clubs like 2596 02:17:22.040 --> 02:17:24.479 this all over the world. We know some of these people. 2597 02:17:24.719 --> 02:17:26.920 There's mister Adler from shot Class and those two giggy 2598 02:17:26.920 --> 02:17:29.680 computer guys. Oh my god, look that grow. 2599 02:17:29.920 --> 02:17:34.239 Aren't those the goth kids. I'm so freaking stokes that 2600 02:17:34.280 --> 02:17:37.680 Katula's gonna squash all the happy go looking conform us. Yeah, 2601 02:17:37.719 --> 02:17:39.280 I just hope he puts an end of the fucking 2602 02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:42.600 Disney channel. Dude, why would the GoF kids worship Cutulhu 2603 02:17:43.000 --> 02:17:45.959 make sense? Unrelenting despair in a thousand years of darkness 2604 02:17:46.000 --> 02:17:46.760 sounds pretty gough. 2605 02:17:47.559 --> 02:17:51.600 Now let us read from the necronomic con that is 2606 02:17:51.639 --> 02:17:56.159 not dead, which can eternal lie and with strange ans 2607 02:17:56.840 --> 02:17:59.040 even death may die. 2608 02:18:00.600 --> 02:18:04.120 So you know there are in fact cults practicing this, which, 2609 02:18:04.159 --> 02:18:07.440 for the record, yes that was done in satire, but uh, 2610 02:18:07.600 --> 02:18:11.840 Trey Parker and his boy definitely do this, So that's 2611 02:18:12.079 --> 02:18:13.079 that's real things. 2612 02:18:14.000 --> 02:18:16.719 Yeah. South Park always seems to be on the stuff 2613 02:18:16.879 --> 02:18:19.840 like you know, come later a later date. You're like, wait, 2614 02:18:19.879 --> 02:18:21.159 I saw this in South Park. 2615 02:18:21.600 --> 02:18:24.520 I haven't seen the miss yet, That's all I'm saying. 2616 02:18:26.479 --> 02:18:33.799 Yeah, it's like the Simpsons, you know, yeah, yep. And 2617 02:18:33.799 --> 02:18:36.000 and Black Mirror, by the way, like. 2618 02:18:36.000 --> 02:18:37.280 People still haven't seen it. 2619 02:18:37.559 --> 02:18:39.920 Oh my god, what are you waiting to reference it? 2620 02:18:40.040 --> 02:18:42.399 Bro? I need to fucking watch it, dude. 2621 02:18:42.479 --> 02:18:45.440 If you want to have literally the tits blown off 2622 02:18:45.479 --> 02:18:49.200 of your chest and stuck to a wall, watch Black Mirror. 2623 02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:52.079 And I promise you, dude, this is one of the 2624 02:18:52.120 --> 02:18:55.239 most out there awesome TV shows ever created. 2625 02:18:55.879 --> 02:18:57.280 I don't doubt you, bro, I just do. 2626 02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:01.120 It is amazing. And what's really cool about it too, 2627 02:19:01.239 --> 02:19:03.399 is that it's not the same characters for every episode. 2628 02:19:03.399 --> 02:19:07.520 Literally every episode is a short movie. And oh my god, dude, I. 2629 02:19:08.719 --> 02:19:10.719 Saw one where it was like it was a Netflix thing, 2630 02:19:10.760 --> 02:19:12.799 but it was about how she's awful and then she 2631 02:19:12.879 --> 02:19:14.719 went through and found out at the end like Michael 2632 02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:15.920 Sarah was the guy on the computer. 2633 02:19:15.959 --> 02:19:18.719 He's like, no, I'm not Michael Sarah. This is the point. Yeah, 2634 02:19:18.760 --> 02:19:21.840 I saw that one episode that this is an amazing show. 2635 02:19:21.959 --> 02:19:24.000 Yeah that was on the new season. But yeah, there's 2636 02:19:24.000 --> 02:19:25.840 a bunch of Not all of them are great. I'm 2637 02:19:25.840 --> 02:19:28.040 not gonna sit here and stick up for every single episode, 2638 02:19:28.079 --> 02:19:31.280 but most of them are really good, dude. And I 2639 02:19:31.319 --> 02:19:35.719 feel like, especially coming into this new like technocratic age 2640 02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:39.959 where literally everything is behind a green screen or everything 2641 02:19:40.159 --> 02:19:42.520 is in like a ready player one kind of glasses 2642 02:19:42.600 --> 02:19:46.479 kind of situation where you know, like weird shit that 2643 02:19:46.719 --> 02:19:49.840 isn't real, people are believing that is real and stuff 2644 02:19:49.879 --> 02:19:50.079 like that. 2645 02:19:50.200 --> 02:19:50.399 Dude. 2646 02:19:50.440 --> 02:19:54.559 It's it's wild what people will succumb to at the 2647 02:19:54.639 --> 02:19:58.360 mercy of technology, like it's it's it's insane. 2648 02:19:59.200 --> 02:20:01.239 Black Mirror is the sh show that you reference all 2649 02:20:01.280 --> 02:20:03.120 the time. I gotta sit and watch it. South Park 2650 02:20:03.200 --> 02:20:05.600 is the show that I reference quite a bit. But 2651 02:20:05.680 --> 02:20:08.760 I will say that the Cutulhu references and the imagery 2652 02:20:08.760 --> 02:20:10.760 they use of Cutulhu, and then they later on the 2653 02:20:10.760 --> 02:20:13.680 episode the the little Heroes go and grab the Goth 2654 02:20:13.760 --> 02:20:15.760 kids and they actually have them lay out like what 2655 02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:20.399 they're talking about, and it's not incorrect. They actually read 2656 02:20:20.479 --> 02:20:22.760 the book and made the show based off of it. 2657 02:20:22.920 --> 02:20:28.280 So but that's the thing. Katulhu was understood up until tonight. 2658 02:20:28.319 --> 02:20:30.120 I didn't realize this was seen as a group of 2659 02:20:30.159 --> 02:20:35.200 Satanists it's understand have you read I have not have. 2660 02:20:35.319 --> 02:20:38.399 Okay, they talk about a cult in there of like Satanic, 2661 02:20:38.520 --> 02:20:43.879 like cannibalistic group or tribe or something. They do you 2662 02:20:43.959 --> 02:20:45.600 mention that in the in the book. 2663 02:20:45.840 --> 02:20:48.399 But the monster was supposed to be just a monster 2664 02:20:48.520 --> 02:20:51.479 in a book, right, I thought anyway, But like apparently 2665 02:20:51.479 --> 02:20:52.920 people are waiting for him to rise. 2666 02:20:54.040 --> 02:20:59.200 Yeah. So in in the Cotulhu Mythos, there's the old 2667 02:20:59.280 --> 02:21:03.719 ones that they talk about, and they're like these these monsters, 2668 02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:08.000 and it seems seems to be you know, this has 2669 02:21:08.120 --> 02:21:11.239 kind of been adapted for some people, like this type 2670 02:21:11.280 --> 02:21:16.600 of satanic sect here. It almost I mean, it's like scientology. 2671 02:21:16.600 --> 02:21:18.559 It was taken from a story. I was taken from 2672 02:21:18.600 --> 02:21:22.079 a book, like just another one of those adaptations and stuff. 2673 02:21:22.120 --> 02:21:28.079 Whether people truly believe this or just Lovecraft fanatics. 2674 02:21:28.600 --> 02:21:30.600 You know what, That's a good point as I'm sitting 2675 02:21:30.600 --> 02:21:32.680 here saying Katu was just supposed to be a story. 2676 02:21:32.879 --> 02:21:37.440 Scientology was HP Lovecraft, and that was supposed to yeh, yep. 2677 02:21:37.319 --> 02:21:38.479 Ol Ron Hubbard. 2678 02:21:38.959 --> 02:21:41.559 Oh excuse me, that was Hubbard. You're right, You're right, right, 2679 02:21:41.600 --> 02:21:43.680 But yes, that was supposed to be just a story. 2680 02:21:43.719 --> 02:21:46.879 And then dianetics and then next thing, you know, Tom 2681 02:21:46.959 --> 02:21:48.600 Cruise is apparently the pope or some shit. 2682 02:21:48.719 --> 02:21:51.680 So yeah, you're right, you know, I was actually just 2683 02:21:51.719 --> 02:21:55.319 looking this up. I've always kind of had this like 2684 02:21:55.559 --> 02:22:00.639 kind of mentality that I personally believe, not being religious 2685 02:22:00.680 --> 02:22:04.360 person I kind of look at all religions as cults personally, 2686 02:22:05.159 --> 02:22:07.680 and I was, and I just typed in on Google. 2687 02:22:07.959 --> 02:22:10.280 They got the little AI thing that answers you now, 2688 02:22:11.280 --> 02:22:15.559 and I asked, why aren't religions cults? And it says 2689 02:22:15.680 --> 02:22:19.079 not all religion in this a very interesting explanation here, 2690 02:22:19.399 --> 02:22:22.479 but it says not all religions are considered cults. The 2691 02:22:22.600 --> 02:22:25.559 term cult is typically applied to a group with extreme 2692 02:22:25.799 --> 02:22:30.319 unusual beliefs and practices, and often a charismatic leader that 2693 02:22:30.479 --> 02:22:35.040 exerts significant control over members, often isolating them from the 2694 02:22:35.040 --> 02:22:39.399 wider society, it says, which is not necessarily the case 2695 02:22:39.440 --> 02:22:43.719 with mainstream religions. While some new religions might be labeled 2696 02:22:43.719 --> 02:22:47.719 as cults initially, they can eventually gain wider acceptance and 2697 02:22:47.799 --> 02:22:51.600 lose the quote unquote cult label over time if they 2698 02:22:51.719 --> 02:22:55.319 integrate into society more fully. So it's kind of like 2699 02:22:55.440 --> 02:22:57.920 if you stick around long enough you're not going to 2700 02:22:57.959 --> 02:23:00.520 be called a cult anymore. But almost every single one 2701 02:23:00.559 --> 02:23:03.319 of them starts out seems like as a cult. 2702 02:23:04.000 --> 02:23:06.879 Kind of yes, kind of no, But there's a difference. 2703 02:23:07.040 --> 02:23:09.479 Okay, So if you have a guy who's got a group, 2704 02:23:09.559 --> 02:23:12.639 he's got a following, talking about some new philosophical things, 2705 02:23:12.639 --> 02:23:15.600 and he's got a little it's growing, there's a difference 2706 02:23:15.600 --> 02:23:18.280 between that guy and the guy telling you to sell 2707 02:23:18.280 --> 02:23:21.200 your possessions and he gets to marry every woman in 2708 02:23:21.239 --> 02:23:21.680 the group. 2709 02:23:22.200 --> 02:23:26.159 And right, there's a line here. 2710 02:23:26.719 --> 02:23:29.799 I guess. So I'm just saying, like you could imagine 2711 02:23:29.959 --> 02:23:32.559 that the Jews probably looked at all the people that 2712 02:23:32.639 --> 02:23:37.280 were following Jesus as like a cult. Right initially, well 2713 02:23:38.000 --> 02:23:43.120 he was, he was Jewish, like he didn't. It's different 2714 02:23:43.639 --> 02:23:46.680 because he was claiming to be the Messiah of their religion. 2715 02:23:46.879 --> 02:23:48.319 But I see what you're saying. 2716 02:23:48.360 --> 02:23:52.159 The Romans definitely saw the New Jesus cult as a thing, 2717 02:23:52.559 --> 02:23:53.440 the Christian cult. 2718 02:23:53.520 --> 02:23:56.959 Yeah, but the Jews that didn't take would would see 2719 02:23:57.000 --> 02:23:59.520 the people initially following Jesus as like. 2720 02:24:00.239 --> 02:24:03.879 Christians were called Christians then later yeah. 2721 02:24:03.520 --> 02:24:07.000 Right right right, they saw them as apostates and heretics. 2722 02:24:07.040 --> 02:24:09.520 But not. Yeah. 2723 02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:12.200 At that time, though the word cult was being used differently, 2724 02:24:12.239 --> 02:24:16.040 there was mystery cults for every single god. It was right, 2725 02:24:16.120 --> 02:24:18.479 it wasn't seen as the same type of stigma that 2726 02:24:18.520 --> 02:24:21.840 we have on these cult leaders of these mystery cults. 2727 02:24:22.280 --> 02:24:24.399 I guess in a sense, right, we're telling people to 2728 02:24:24.440 --> 02:24:27.000 sell all their possessions and just dedicate themselves only to 2729 02:24:27.040 --> 02:24:29.040 the cult and don't go near your family anymore, and 2730 02:24:29.079 --> 02:24:31.879 don't go near these people anymore. But even the Christians 2731 02:24:31.879 --> 02:24:34.280 weren't doing that. They weren't saying to no longer talk 2732 02:24:34.319 --> 02:24:36.399 to your family. They're like, no, please bring your family, 2733 02:24:36.479 --> 02:24:39.000 bring everybody, and you don't need to sell anything. You 2734 02:24:39.000 --> 02:24:41.040 don't have to. It's the whole point. It's a here 2735 02:24:41.120 --> 02:24:43.680 for every single person. There's no secret knowledge, there's no 2736 02:24:43.879 --> 02:24:46.639 entrance fee, just come home. And so it's it could 2737 02:24:46.639 --> 02:24:49.559 have been seen initially as a new type of cults, 2738 02:24:50.120 --> 02:24:52.520 but it's not what we would consider a cult by 2739 02:24:52.520 --> 02:24:53.360 today's standards. 2740 02:24:53.399 --> 02:24:54.360 But you see what I'm saying. 2741 02:24:54.360 --> 02:24:55.959 But if you were a Jew that didn't want to 2742 02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:59.399 convert to Christianity, you weren't willing to follow Jesus like 2743 02:24:59.559 --> 02:25:03.040 the people that did, like you would be like, oh, Wait, 2744 02:25:03.280 --> 02:25:05.639 they're saying that there's no such thing as Jew or 2745 02:25:05.680 --> 02:25:09.719 Gentile anymore. I'm out, Like, that's some cult like shit, right. 2746 02:25:10.879 --> 02:25:12.920 Again, kind of yes, kind of no. Jesus told the 2747 02:25:13.000 --> 02:25:17.040 Jews to continue being Jewish, like he told the Gentiles, 2748 02:25:17.239 --> 02:25:19.680 keep doing Gentiles, shit, what about the Jews about the 2749 02:25:19.719 --> 02:25:20.440 laws of Abraham? 2750 02:25:20.520 --> 02:25:23.479 Dude, keep them, keep your Honkah, keep your passovers. These 2751 02:25:23.520 --> 02:25:25.760 are important, not honiky yet, those later. But you know 2752 02:25:25.799 --> 02:25:27.879 what I'm saying, like, keep your traditions, your feast days. 2753 02:25:28.280 --> 02:25:31.799 You're good Jewish people do that. But I'm the Messiah 2754 02:25:31.799 --> 02:25:35.000 that you've been praying for. Hey, Gentiles, Hey, you got 2755 02:25:35.000 --> 02:25:36.840 your weird cultures and customs. 2756 02:25:36.840 --> 02:25:39.280 Cool dope. Hey, this is the new way. So it 2757 02:25:39.360 --> 02:25:43.680 wasn't yes and no to your question. It's complicated. 2758 02:25:44.200 --> 02:25:46.239 I mean, I'm sure every cult would probably say it's 2759 02:25:46.280 --> 02:25:47.920 kind of complicated, right. 2760 02:25:49.239 --> 02:25:52.280 I don't believe most cult leaders have all the answers 2761 02:25:52.440 --> 02:25:54.360 and it's not complicated at all. You just have to 2762 02:25:54.360 --> 02:25:56.520 buy their new book and you have to see the 2763 02:25:56.520 --> 02:25:59.399 reason why you're asking this question is you know, you 2764 02:25:59.559 --> 02:26:03.200 just need to reindoctrinate yourself and go deeper into the 2765 02:26:03.239 --> 02:26:04.840 word of the divine leader. 2766 02:26:04.920 --> 02:26:07.479 Of said cults and just and just have faith. 2767 02:26:08.879 --> 02:26:11.360 Just dig more into the word. It's like communism. Anytime 2768 02:26:11.399 --> 02:26:13.159 you quit get to be a part of the communist 2769 02:26:13.200 --> 02:26:15.879 group cult and then you start questioning, oh wait, this 2770 02:26:15.959 --> 02:26:16.760 kind of doesn't make sense. 2771 02:26:16.760 --> 02:26:18.200 Well wha wha whah, you just need to read this 2772 02:26:18.280 --> 02:26:20.840 other book and dig deeper into communism. It's like, don't 2773 02:26:20.840 --> 02:26:23.479 think it, don't have independent thought, don't think for yourself. 2774 02:26:23.719 --> 02:26:26.680 Yeah, a lot of them are not preaching that right. 2775 02:26:26.760 --> 02:26:29.520 A lot of the new cults they're they're not as 2776 02:26:29.600 --> 02:26:34.040 well like uh good at like signing loose ends and shit, 2777 02:26:34.079 --> 02:26:34.680 yeah yeah. 2778 02:26:34.600 --> 02:26:39.559 Yeah, it's yes and no, it's per age per day. 2779 02:26:39.600 --> 02:26:40.799 We're speaking one kind of thing. 2780 02:26:41.200 --> 02:26:45.280 Sure, sure, but like if not to go any farther 2781 02:26:45.440 --> 02:26:47.760 on this, but like just my mind is coming up 2782 02:26:47.760 --> 02:26:50.760 with questions right now. But like s if you know, 2783 02:26:51.319 --> 02:26:55.040 let's say Jesus didn't come around until now, like forget 2784 02:26:55.040 --> 02:26:57.479 two thousand years ago. That time that Jesus came is 2785 02:26:57.559 --> 02:27:00.360 right now and everybody else at least, you know, that 2786 02:27:00.520 --> 02:27:02.639 was kind of on the same sector of reading the 2787 02:27:02.680 --> 02:27:05.559 Old Testament and knowing that there was gonna be a 2788 02:27:05.559 --> 02:27:08.000 savior that was gonna come right, and then Jesus came 2789 02:27:08.079 --> 02:27:13.879 right now, you would say that his followers could be 2790 02:27:13.920 --> 02:27:15.280 part of a cult initially. 2791 02:27:16.360 --> 02:27:18.639 Okay, all right, I'm gonna walk down this road with. 2792 02:27:18.600 --> 02:27:21.000 You, kind of like the way the Mormons look at uh, 2793 02:27:21.120 --> 02:27:21.559 what's his. 2794 02:27:21.559 --> 02:27:24.600 Name, yeah, boy Smith? Right, all right, all right, I'll 2795 02:27:24.639 --> 02:27:26.159 walk down this row with you. Let's do that. 2796 02:27:27.000 --> 02:27:30.680 So again, let's take away the black and whites of 2797 02:27:30.760 --> 02:27:32.520 the winds that Jesus was supposed to come, right, because 2798 02:27:32.520 --> 02:27:34.600 there wasn't supposed to be a Natan. And just for 2799 02:27:34.639 --> 02:27:37.440 the hypotheticals, let's just I'll take you out what you're 2800 02:27:37.440 --> 02:27:39.639 saying here. Let's say there's no Christians on earth because 2801 02:27:39.680 --> 02:27:43.479 he hadn't come yet. There's Jews doing Jewish things, and 2802 02:27:43.520 --> 02:27:46.479 then there's everyone else doing everyone else's things. 2803 02:27:46.479 --> 02:27:47.360 Some of that's. 2804 02:27:47.159 --> 02:27:51.239 Hindu Buddhism, different types of pagan whatever. But there's no Christians, 2805 02:27:51.239 --> 02:27:52.280 there's no New Testament. 2806 02:27:52.680 --> 02:27:55.239 Let's just call them Pagans, right, okay. 2807 02:27:56.040 --> 02:27:59.559 And there was a new guy came on the scene. 2808 02:28:00.079 --> 02:28:03.040 And are we going with the traditional story of bethle Hammer. 2809 02:28:03.159 --> 02:28:05.159 Is he in a different country? 2810 02:28:05.159 --> 02:28:07.559 No, Let's go with your understanding, okay. 2811 02:28:07.639 --> 02:28:09.879 And for the sake of argument, let's say that they're 2812 02:28:09.920 --> 02:28:12.920 not in open fucking war right now. Okay, let's just 2813 02:28:13.239 --> 02:28:16.040 let's say that this happened like maybe five years ago. Yeah, 2814 02:28:16.120 --> 02:28:16.399 you know what. 2815 02:28:16.360 --> 02:28:17.799 I'm saying, because right now, it's kind of a weird 2816 02:28:17.840 --> 02:28:20.239 one to throw that extra wrench into the gears, like, oh. 2817 02:28:20.159 --> 02:28:21.879 And at times where there's peace in the Middle East, 2818 02:28:21.920 --> 02:28:23.040 let's just even take it there. 2819 02:28:23.600 --> 02:28:25.799 Why not? Why not? Okay? 2820 02:28:25.879 --> 02:28:27.799 So if he was to come back today and he 2821 02:28:27.879 --> 02:28:34.360 started healing people and performing miracles and was being countercultural 2822 02:28:34.440 --> 02:28:37.319 in the way that he was talking about, because they 2823 02:28:37.399 --> 02:28:39.280 kept trying to ask him like, you know, should we 2824 02:28:39.319 --> 02:28:40.000 pay taxes? 2825 02:28:40.079 --> 02:28:42.360 Should we do this? Should we stone this bitch, like 2826 02:28:42.360 --> 02:28:43.120 should we whatever? 2827 02:28:43.200 --> 02:28:47.200 And he was always like yo, or or you could 2828 02:28:47.239 --> 02:28:49.159 just not be shitty, you know. And then he was 2829 02:28:49.200 --> 02:28:52.000 just healing people and he wasn't telling people to disobey 2830 02:28:52.000 --> 02:28:54.399 the laws and the rules. He was just telling him like, no, no, 2831 02:28:54.479 --> 02:28:57.239 I'm here to fulfill the laws and the rules. And 2832 02:28:57.280 --> 02:28:59.639 he gets the following, and he dies and he rises again, 2833 02:29:00.440 --> 02:29:03.559 and he walks the earth and people see this with 2834 02:29:03.639 --> 02:29:05.840 their eyes and he develops like a whole following of 2835 02:29:05.879 --> 02:29:09.200 that per the day and age of today, like that 2836 02:29:09.239 --> 02:29:11.879 would be seen and that would go viral, and like 2837 02:29:11.920 --> 02:29:14.879 there wouldn't be a way of containing that whatsoever, And 2838 02:29:14.920 --> 02:29:17.479 it wouldn't be just like some new TikTok you saw. 2839 02:29:17.639 --> 02:29:21.159 It would be so plentiful that there'd be no way 2840 02:29:21.239 --> 02:29:23.719 of denying that what was happening was happening. There would 2841 02:29:23.760 --> 02:29:25.719 be no question about AI, there would be no question 2842 02:29:25.799 --> 02:29:29.000 about any of that. It'd be you're either accepting what 2843 02:29:29.040 --> 02:29:32.120 you're seeing before your eyes or you're dismissing it, and 2844 02:29:32.159 --> 02:29:34.559 you're choosing to say that that's not real. 2845 02:29:34.799 --> 02:29:38.440 You know what spooky is. That's how the anti Christ 2846 02:29:38.479 --> 02:29:42.520 comes in the power too. Yeah, it's basically the same story, 2847 02:29:42.600 --> 02:29:43.799 but it's inverted. 2848 02:29:44.440 --> 02:29:46.840 Right. But again, this is per the example that Jesus 2849 02:29:46.840 --> 02:29:47.559 hadn't come yet. 2850 02:29:47.600 --> 02:29:50.239 So if that was to happen today, I wouldn't call 2851 02:29:50.239 --> 02:29:51.600 his followers cult members. 2852 02:29:51.600 --> 02:29:54.399 I would call them followers of this dude. 2853 02:29:55.399 --> 02:29:58.520 Which would you then thinking, which then eventually ended up 2854 02:29:58.559 --> 02:30:01.479 creating like the second half of the Bible. So you 2855 02:30:01.520 --> 02:30:03.600 got to think about that part too, you know, like 2856 02:30:03.959 --> 02:30:06.280 you're we're gonna take all of your old beliefs and 2857 02:30:06.319 --> 02:30:08.719 then we're going to add to it. I feel like 2858 02:30:09.079 --> 02:30:12.360 I don't know. That's I don't know where I'm going 2859 02:30:12.399 --> 02:30:14.040 with that. I was just trying to pick your brain 2860 02:30:14.079 --> 02:30:14.360 on it. 2861 02:30:14.959 --> 02:30:17.680 No, no, huh. I enjoyed these conversations, you know that. 2862 02:30:17.879 --> 02:30:20.920 But yeah, that would mean that the New testa movie 2863 02:30:21.000 --> 02:30:23.559 written by somebody today, which would be weird. 2864 02:30:24.239 --> 02:30:27.399 The Pharisees probably felt that way about him, I. 2865 02:30:27.319 --> 02:30:29.120 Would imagine they. 2866 02:30:29.200 --> 02:30:31.840 Yeah, they didn't like that he was calling them literally 2867 02:30:31.959 --> 02:30:36.280 hypocrites to their faces publicly and like shaming them. So 2868 02:30:36.360 --> 02:30:39.440 that would be another thing. Jesus if he was born today, 2869 02:30:39.840 --> 02:30:41.680 would be shitting on the pope. 2870 02:30:41.959 --> 02:30:43.559 He would be shitting. 2871 02:30:43.120 --> 02:30:45.520 On every high up religious figure you could think of, 2872 02:30:45.559 --> 02:30:48.040 if they have any bit of greed within them. He'd 2873 02:30:48.040 --> 02:30:52.399 be shitting on governments, not throwing middle fingers. He would 2874 02:30:52.399 --> 02:30:56.120 be very eloquently and kindly telling them how wrong they are, 2875 02:30:56.440 --> 02:30:59.639 like for sure, and that wouldn't go overwell, especially today. 2876 02:31:00.680 --> 02:31:02.639 I mean, we could sure use him to go in 2877 02:31:02.639 --> 02:31:04.760 there and slay some dens of thieves, though I could. 2878 02:31:04.879 --> 02:31:06.719 I could take that right now, get rid of to 2879 02:31:06.760 --> 02:31:07.079 tack on. 2880 02:31:08.680 --> 02:31:11.959 He flipped over tables one time when he saw there 2881 02:31:12.000 --> 02:31:14.079 was money being made. You want to talk about what 2882 02:31:14.120 --> 02:31:15.639 he would do in these mega churches. 2883 02:31:15.959 --> 02:31:20.760 Holy fuck. Oh yeah, but again that would be for 2884 02:31:20.879 --> 02:31:22.520 the example that the Vatican wouldn't be a thing because 2885 02:31:22.520 --> 02:31:23.479 there would be no Christendom. 2886 02:31:23.520 --> 02:31:26.239 So there's a lot of levels to this. But I 2887 02:31:26.280 --> 02:31:29.040 see what you're saying, Jonathan, but I don't per what 2888 02:31:29.280 --> 02:31:32.799 I know about the dude Yeshia. I don't think that 2889 02:31:32.920 --> 02:31:35.959 his leaders or his followers excuse me, would have been 2890 02:31:36.000 --> 02:31:39.319 seen as cult members by today's standards, maybe like club 2891 02:31:39.360 --> 02:31:43.000 members or new age philosophers. 2892 02:31:43.040 --> 02:31:45.719 Maybe see it going into that realm. 2893 02:31:45.440 --> 02:31:48.120 I'm talking about coming from the perspective of the people 2894 02:31:48.159 --> 02:31:51.440 that aren't in the club. You know, if you disagree 2895 02:31:51.559 --> 02:31:55.200 with that initially, those people would be calling that following 2896 02:31:55.280 --> 02:31:56.120 a cult, right. 2897 02:31:56.200 --> 02:31:58.040 I could see it. Yeah, I could see them definitely 2898 02:31:58.040 --> 02:31:59.639 throwing that out for sure, no doubt. 2899 02:32:00.440 --> 02:32:03.719 Anyway, that's another weird side tangent. Sorry about that there next. 2900 02:32:03.719 --> 02:32:06.600 You no, no, that I mean that. That wraps it 2901 02:32:06.719 --> 02:32:11.639 up for all the types of or I shouldn't say all, 2902 02:32:11.680 --> 02:32:17.639 but covers several different types of satanic sex. And if 2903 02:32:17.680 --> 02:32:21.159 you want, I can come back next time another time, 2904 02:32:21.200 --> 02:32:23.719 because I still this is so we had to get 2905 02:32:23.760 --> 02:32:25.920 through the meat and potatoes of the different types of 2906 02:32:26.799 --> 02:32:30.360 Satanism before we started to get into like occult crimes 2907 02:32:30.399 --> 02:32:34.520 and ritualists that comicide and the people that are committing 2908 02:32:34.959 --> 02:32:37.200 those crimes what their intentions are. Like I said, there's 2909 02:32:37.200 --> 02:32:41.079 true believers and there's dabblers, people that kind of mix 2910 02:32:41.159 --> 02:32:44.639 and match their own preference as to how they are 2911 02:32:44.680 --> 02:32:49.440 a Satanist. And I know you've I think it is 2912 02:32:49.479 --> 02:32:52.719 it cosmic peach has gone over like program to kill 2913 02:32:52.719 --> 02:32:53.559 with you guys and. 2914 02:32:53.440 --> 02:32:54.280 Stuff like that. 2915 02:32:54.799 --> 02:32:57.600 So, like you know, it ties into a lot of 2916 02:32:57.719 --> 02:33:02.399 those crimes and some other crimes as well that I 2917 02:33:02.440 --> 02:33:07.639 would bring up to kind of show that this does happen, 2918 02:33:07.719 --> 02:33:10.760 because I also cover how I think the Landing Report 2919 02:33:10.840 --> 02:33:15.639 needs to be revisited, the Kenneth Lanning report, who claims, 2920 02:33:15.680 --> 02:33:18.799 you know, ritualistic child abuse isn't a thing, Well, what 2921 02:33:18.920 --> 02:33:23.639 happened at Hosannah Church. This needs to be revisited. 2922 02:33:24.079 --> 02:33:26.520 I was just say the Landing Report for the for 2923 02:33:26.600 --> 02:33:29.079 those that may not know or have never really heard 2924 02:33:29.120 --> 02:33:30.520 that before, can you expound upon that. 2925 02:33:30.879 --> 02:33:33.440 Yeah, So Kenneth Lanning is an FBI agent and he 2926 02:33:33.600 --> 02:33:38.680 wrote a report that investigated ritualistic child of abuse by 2927 02:33:38.799 --> 02:33:42.840 like Satanic cults and he pretty much, you know, said 2928 02:33:43.239 --> 02:33:45.959 it's he has not found any evidence of it, doesn't 2929 02:33:46.000 --> 02:33:50.479 believe it exists, but he can't say for certain. But 2930 02:33:50.680 --> 02:33:53.959 he pretty much dismisses it, and you know, gives some 2931 02:33:54.000 --> 02:33:56.479 of his arguments and stuff, and some of it, I 2932 02:33:56.520 --> 02:33:59.120 was like, I felt like he was victim blaming a 2933 02:33:59.159 --> 02:34:03.639 little bit. But it just it's it's kind of absurd 2934 02:34:03.639 --> 02:34:06.639 because it felt like he was saying in order for 2935 02:34:06.680 --> 02:34:12.360 something to be a ritualistic abuse case or or homicide 2936 02:34:12.440 --> 02:34:14.799 or something like that, or you know, it has to 2937 02:34:14.799 --> 02:34:18.159 be by you know, these satanic cults, like and he 2938 02:34:18.200 --> 02:34:19.920 almost makes it sound like they need to be like 2939 02:34:19.959 --> 02:34:23.879 a recognized religions kind of satanic cult. But it's like 2940 02:34:23.959 --> 02:34:28.959 all these loop or not loop loop, all these necessary 2941 02:34:29.000 --> 02:34:31.440 elements have to be present in order to call that. 2942 02:34:31.520 --> 02:34:33.639 So it's like, you know, hop on your left foot 2943 02:34:33.639 --> 02:34:36.479 while holding your nose and sticking your tongue out, turning 2944 02:34:36.479 --> 02:34:40.440 in a circle. Like just just makes it like almost absurd. 2945 02:34:40.680 --> 02:34:45.959 How you know, nothing would really qualify as that because 2946 02:34:46.000 --> 02:34:51.079 again we talked about earlier intent and it's not what 2947 02:34:51.440 --> 02:34:54.360 you believe, it's what they believe. So and like he 2948 02:34:54.440 --> 02:34:57.399 also mentions it can't be a lone person, it has 2949 02:34:57.479 --> 02:35:00.399 to be a group, you know. It just just these 2950 02:35:00.520 --> 02:35:07.040 ridiculous requirements in order for it to be qualified as 2951 02:35:07.280 --> 02:35:10.319 a ritualistic crime or a cult crime. 2952 02:35:11.000 --> 02:35:13.440 Do we know what cult or group he was a 2953 02:35:13.479 --> 02:35:15.879 part of, because it sounds like he was covering for 2954 02:35:16.000 --> 02:35:16.760 his homies. 2955 02:35:16.879 --> 02:35:19.520 That's what I was gonna say too. Yeah, I feel 2956 02:35:19.559 --> 02:35:24.760 like you see that amount of evidence and you're still saying, eh, 2957 02:35:24.920 --> 02:35:30.360 gray area, we're not gonna call it that is called Yeah. Yeah, 2958 02:35:30.399 --> 02:35:31.719 we talked about the finders before. 2959 02:35:32.559 --> 02:35:36.479 Yep, absolutely, so how how are we? How are we 2960 02:35:36.639 --> 02:35:40.239 like missing this? Like I don't understand, So you know 2961 02:35:40.559 --> 02:35:43.920 that that's kind of how I ended up down this 2962 02:35:44.040 --> 02:35:46.319 rabbit hole and stuff. It was because I just couldn't 2963 02:35:46.440 --> 02:35:51.840 understand how you know, it was completely labeled satanic panic 2964 02:35:51.879 --> 02:35:54.920 and that it still happens today. None of that stuff's true. 2965 02:35:55.360 --> 02:36:01.079 Ritualistic crime's abuse doesn't happen like Satanists. They're just all eightys. Like, 2966 02:36:02.399 --> 02:36:06.520 there was so much missing and it's just this narrative 2967 02:36:06.559 --> 02:36:11.120 that's being driven that satan and Satanism doesn't exist. Well, 2968 02:36:11.360 --> 02:36:13.239 what is that quote? Do you know the quote I'm 2969 02:36:13.280 --> 02:36:17.000 going to quote? What was it? The greatest trick that 2970 02:36:17.040 --> 02:36:19.600 ever did was convinced the world he was a lie. 2971 02:36:20.079 --> 02:36:21.360 Yeah, that's right. 2972 02:36:21.719 --> 02:36:25.639 Yeah, it sounds about right, like how the you might 2973 02:36:25.639 --> 02:36:27.760 not believe in the devil, but he believes in you 2974 02:36:27.959 --> 02:36:28.440 kind of thing. 2975 02:36:30.159 --> 02:36:32.440 And I'm telling you that guy's got to be in 2976 02:36:32.520 --> 02:36:34.319 on it or paid off by the guys at the 2977 02:36:34.319 --> 02:36:36.520 top that are I would take either or to be 2978 02:36:36.520 --> 02:36:39.799 honest with you, But there are so many cases of it. 2979 02:36:39.840 --> 02:36:44.520 And again, fine, fine, maybe the satanic panic was you know, was. 2980 02:36:44.520 --> 02:36:47.440 A part of fake and hoaxy. 2981 02:36:47.680 --> 02:36:50.000 Right, maybe there was some of that, and maybe it 2982 02:36:50.120 --> 02:36:52.959 is way more isolated than what they led us to believe. 2983 02:36:53.000 --> 02:36:55.719 That doesn't matter, the fact that we were bringing awareness 2984 02:36:55.760 --> 02:36:57.639 to it was what was important. The fact that it 2985 02:36:57.799 --> 02:37:00.799 is going on and must be stopped. But somehow that 2986 02:37:00.840 --> 02:37:04.159 got swept under the rug. Is Oh, that's just that's craziness. 2987 02:37:04.159 --> 02:37:08.319 But like you said, there's too many examples to point out, right. 2988 02:37:08.280 --> 02:37:11.079 And that and just examples we know of. I can't 2989 02:37:11.079 --> 02:37:13.959 imagine the examples we don't know of, you know, the 2990 02:37:14.559 --> 02:37:18.760 smaller cases that have gone unnoticed or you know, not 2991 02:37:18.920 --> 02:37:23.600 covered in media. You know, I've actually I was surprised 2992 02:37:23.639 --> 02:37:30.239 to see the new York Post posting articles about the 2993 02:37:30.239 --> 02:37:32.280 offshoot of the Order of Nine Angles, which I'll get 2994 02:37:32.280 --> 02:37:34.360 into the Order of Nine Angles a little bit later on. 2995 02:37:34.440 --> 02:37:36.600 But there's I think it's called the seven six four 2996 02:37:36.680 --> 02:37:40.079 and they're they're an offshoot and they are they are Satanists. 2997 02:37:40.120 --> 02:37:44.760 They say they are Satanists, but they are also pedophiles 2998 02:37:44.959 --> 02:37:49.920 and predators, and they're grooming your children through like Twitch 2999 02:37:50.399 --> 02:37:57.479 and some of those other apps and stuff to you know, uh, sextortion, 3000 02:37:58.319 --> 02:38:03.760 or talking them into injured themselves, or going into establishments. 3001 02:38:03.799 --> 02:38:05.879 And I don't want to say anything if this goes on. 3002 02:38:06.399 --> 02:38:10.079 Are you behind a paywall? You said on this our 3003 02:38:10.159 --> 02:38:12.600 video is okay, well, I'm not going to say anything 3004 02:38:12.680 --> 02:38:16.280 that's gonna but you know the trend of going into 3005 02:38:16.319 --> 02:38:20.680 buildings and taking out as many people as you can. 3006 02:38:21.159 --> 02:38:22.680 Oh no, no, you could say whatever you want to. 3007 02:38:23.040 --> 02:38:24.959 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay, all right. I 3008 02:38:25.239 --> 02:38:28.559 seem sure that that would get you straight or something 3009 02:38:28.600 --> 02:38:32.639 like that. So but so, and they were reporting on that. 3010 02:38:32.719 --> 02:38:34.520 I was glad to see they were reporting on it. 3011 02:38:34.760 --> 02:38:40.200 But you know, this is a classic example. Is they exist? 3012 02:38:41.000 --> 02:38:46.040 Yep, Yeah, they do exist, And some people are just 3013 02:38:46.440 --> 02:38:51.639 absolutely demented if you're carrying all this shit out and like, look, 3014 02:38:52.559 --> 02:38:55.520 we all have our very differing beliefs as far as 3015 02:38:55.600 --> 02:38:57.600 you know what our line of faith is. Or maybe 3016 02:38:57.600 --> 02:39:00.440 some people have no faith they're just atheists, right, But like, 3017 02:39:00.959 --> 02:39:05.360 clearly the answer is not sacrificing humans and definitely not 3018 02:39:05.479 --> 02:39:09.879 sacrificing babies, and you probably shouldn't be working with I 3019 02:39:09.920 --> 02:39:15.559 don't know, demons that have a history of like convincing 3020 02:39:15.799 --> 02:39:19.120 parents to sacrifice their kids to them, you know which, 3021 02:39:19.120 --> 02:39:23.200 by the way, with Christmas just done now, like that 3022 02:39:23.280 --> 02:39:28.760 whole idea of the whole idea of like you know, 3023 02:39:28.840 --> 02:39:32.559 the little kids going and sitting up on Santa's lap. Yeah, 3024 02:39:32.639 --> 02:39:37.399 that goes back to Moloch worship, which you know, back 3025 02:39:37.440 --> 02:39:41.239 whenever you're worshiping Moloch, you would have them, I think, 3026 02:39:41.319 --> 02:39:44.440 like sit next to like an incinerator and you would 3027 02:39:44.479 --> 02:39:46.440 literally burn your kids alive to Moloch. 3028 02:39:46.520 --> 02:39:51.799 Yeah. Yeah, I had arms. Yeah, his arms like extended out, 3029 02:39:51.959 --> 02:39:56.319 So I think he was like was at any bronze. 3030 02:39:55.920 --> 02:39:59.120 Or no or I thinking it depends on which era 3031 02:39:59.399 --> 02:40:02.000 you're talking about. There was examples of him where his 3032 02:40:02.120 --> 02:40:04.959 arms were out, but like the belly section was hollow, 3033 02:40:05.000 --> 02:40:05.959 and that was the oven. 3034 02:40:06.280 --> 02:40:08.239 There were somewhere his hands were the oven. 3035 02:40:08.360 --> 02:40:11.319 Yeah, I think you're thinking. I mean there was the 3036 02:40:11.440 --> 02:40:14.280 Moloch with with this with the arms. But there's also 3037 02:40:14.319 --> 02:40:17.799 what's called the Brazen Bull, and it was created in 3038 02:40:18.000 --> 02:40:21.040 I think somewhere rom and the guy that actually created 3039 02:40:21.079 --> 02:40:23.319 it ended up being burned. 3040 02:40:23.079 --> 02:40:25.600 In it, the only victim of it, I might. 3041 02:40:25.479 --> 02:40:30.120 Add, So they outlawed it, but it was it they 3042 02:40:30.239 --> 02:40:33.040 created in it. So when the victim burned, there's like 3043 02:40:33.120 --> 02:40:39.000 these pipes and it would make like guttural like bull noises, 3044 02:40:39.280 --> 02:40:44.520 like to emphasize the screaming. It was truly truly horrific, but. 3045 02:40:44.680 --> 02:40:47.639 So yeah, that's why the Infra actually made him do it. 3046 02:40:47.680 --> 02:40:50.040 This inventor was like super proud of it. He brings 3047 02:40:50.040 --> 02:40:52.840 it to Caesar. He's like, look, got this new torture method. 3048 02:40:53.319 --> 02:40:55.559 When you kill him, the bull roars. 3049 02:40:55.239 --> 02:40:57.000 And he's like, that's the most fucked up thing I've 3050 02:40:57.000 --> 02:40:59.360 ever heard. You're going in it. We're gonna see if 3051 02:40:59.360 --> 02:41:02.520 it works. Place what they did and it worked like 3052 02:41:02.559 --> 02:41:07.319 a charm and he's like, well, that's never getting used outlaw. Yeah, 3053 02:41:07.360 --> 02:41:07.840 it's weird. 3054 02:41:07.840 --> 02:41:10.639 Even the Roman legions, even the nastiest and the ones 3055 02:41:10.680 --> 02:41:14.159 that came up with crucifixions and the whole they even 3056 02:41:14.200 --> 02:41:15.280 had a limit, dude. 3057 02:41:15.559 --> 02:41:17.639 Yeah, wow, for. 3058 02:41:17.559 --> 02:41:20.840 Sure, the tortureists were like, yo, yeah, there's something wrong 3059 02:41:20.879 --> 02:41:24.360 with you. Like, yeah, we're into torturing people, but that's 3060 02:41:24.399 --> 02:41:25.479 a step too far. 3061 02:41:25.799 --> 02:41:28.639 Well, I lacked today because they're like cruel and unusual 3062 02:41:28.639 --> 02:41:31.239 punishment and like I should look back at medieval times. 3063 02:41:31.280 --> 02:41:33.760 That will tell you what cruel and unusual punishment is. 3064 02:41:33.840 --> 02:41:36.680 Like you're getting humane deaths now. 3065 02:41:36.959 --> 02:41:42.000 Right right, wild things so crazy that the thing is 3066 02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:44.680 the bull even more. No, no, we're not going to 3067 02:41:44.760 --> 02:41:48.120 have that conversation which torture methods more or less bad. 3068 02:41:48.159 --> 02:41:49.000 They're all shitty. 3069 02:41:49.559 --> 02:41:52.719 But yeah, So the sacrifice to Moloch though, like you're 3070 02:41:52.719 --> 02:41:54.719 talking about the the kids sitting on Santa's lap, I 3071 02:41:54.760 --> 02:41:58.079 have never heard that that was indicative of some sort 3072 02:41:58.120 --> 02:42:00.200 of Molocky or Molecheian thing. 3073 02:42:00.639 --> 02:42:04.639 Is new to me, but okay, yeah, because that's that's 3074 02:42:04.680 --> 02:42:09.239 like the people that worship Moloch, they would like they 3075 02:42:09.360 --> 02:42:15.120 worshiped him by sacrificing their kids, right, it's crazy shite. 3076 02:42:15.319 --> 02:42:19.959 I'm sure that tied into may perhaps Saturnalia too, like 3077 02:42:20.079 --> 02:42:23.799 you know, maybe they would do sacrifices during that time, okay, 3078 02:42:23.840 --> 02:42:27.959 and Saturn was the god that would eat his children. 3079 02:42:29.559 --> 02:42:31.959 Yep, I don't. 3080 02:42:32.360 --> 02:42:35.840 I remember having this conversation years ago with my dad 3081 02:42:35.959 --> 02:42:38.040 and I was in high school actually, and I was 3082 02:42:38.239 --> 02:42:41.479 just learning about real Satanism. Now, granted, not any of 3083 02:42:41.559 --> 02:42:45.319 these other subreddits are offshoots where they're humanism or any 3084 02:42:45.319 --> 02:42:48.479 of that's truly worshiping the Dark Lord. And I remember 3085 02:42:48.559 --> 02:42:53.360 telling him back then, this was early two thousands, about 3086 02:42:53.360 --> 02:42:55.920 how these people are like doing horrible shit to kids, 3087 02:42:55.959 --> 02:42:58.680 and they're murdering people for sacrifice. And my dad again 3088 02:42:58.840 --> 02:43:01.159 was very very blue at this time he has sense 3089 02:43:01.200 --> 02:43:03.280 opened that third eye, but he was like, so, you're 3090 02:43:03.280 --> 02:43:05.280 telling me that every one of these Satanic temples are 3091 02:43:05.280 --> 02:43:07.920 doing this horrible shit. I'm like, I'm not saying everyone. 3092 02:43:08.440 --> 02:43:11.159 I'm saying the ones that are truly talking to Satan 3093 02:43:11.479 --> 02:43:13.879 are yes, So you're telling them we should just go 3094 02:43:13.920 --> 02:43:15.840 burn everyone and kill him. I'm like, I mean, you 3095 02:43:15.879 --> 02:43:17.879 said it, not me, But I don't disagree, my man. 3096 02:43:19.399 --> 02:43:22.879 But I that's the thing. There's so many people that 3097 02:43:23.000 --> 02:43:26.639 claim that they're speaking to the Dark Lord who do 3098 02:43:26.760 --> 02:43:30.079 not partake of the sacrifices and the ritual rapes and 3099 02:43:30.159 --> 02:43:32.719 these types of things, and it's like, so where are 3100 02:43:32.719 --> 02:43:34.239 they drawing their power from? 3101 02:43:34.479 --> 02:43:37.280 And these people who are doing these practices, their power 3102 02:43:37.319 --> 02:43:40.239 is being drawn from like the same source, but it's stronger, 3103 02:43:40.319 --> 02:43:43.280 and it's it gets so so deep and so dark 3104 02:43:43.319 --> 02:43:44.239 the more you look at it. 3105 02:43:44.360 --> 02:43:46.040 Well, and that's why the whole what was it called 3106 02:43:46.079 --> 02:43:49.479 the gray faction that you mentioned earlier, Like those people 3107 02:43:49.600 --> 02:43:53.719 probably really believe that that's fake news, Like you know 3108 02:43:53.760 --> 02:43:56.520 what I mean, Like I would have to imagine that 3109 02:43:56.600 --> 02:43:58.799 there are some Satanists out there that they're like, yo, 3110 02:43:58.879 --> 02:44:01.360 look like, yeah, got a funny name. You know, it 3111 02:44:01.440 --> 02:44:03.719 might be contrary to what you believe, but it's really 3112 02:44:03.840 --> 02:44:07.319 just our way of being spiritual or whatever, and they 3113 02:44:07.360 --> 02:44:10.200 probably literally see it like that. You think they're in 3114 02:44:10.280 --> 02:44:10.600 on it. 3115 02:44:10.959 --> 02:44:12.479 I think they're in on it, just like your boy 3116 02:44:12.479 --> 02:44:14.360 with the report they're trying. 3117 02:44:15.360 --> 02:44:18.040 It just doesn't make sense that they'd be attacking that 3118 02:44:18.079 --> 02:44:21.159 if they don't believe, if they don't, if they're atheistic 3119 02:44:21.280 --> 02:44:25.879 or non theistic, like they don't believe in Satan, they 3120 02:44:25.879 --> 02:44:30.879 don't worship Satan. They don't it's all about self deification, 3121 02:44:31.159 --> 02:44:35.879 So why are they attacking you know, victims and mental 3122 02:44:35.959 --> 02:44:42.479 health professionals who are abused by people who are worshiping 3123 02:44:42.479 --> 02:44:45.840 Satan and are abusing them in a ritualist nick manner 3124 02:44:46.399 --> 02:44:48.680 for the worship of Satan. 3125 02:44:49.319 --> 02:44:52.239 I bet, lie, I bet one of their close friends, 3126 02:44:52.639 --> 02:44:55.040 come to find out, was a pedophile and he got 3127 02:44:55.040 --> 02:44:57.399 wrapped up. And as soon as it was discovered that 3128 02:44:57.520 --> 02:45:00.360 he was, their group of Satanists that like. 3129 02:45:00.360 --> 02:45:03.479 Understood, oh sra, here we go, They're like, whoa, whoa, No, man, 3130 02:45:03.680 --> 02:45:06.120 that's not us, even though it probably like literally fucking 3131 02:45:06.239 --> 02:45:08.680 was no way, man, not my guy. He was just 3132 02:45:08.680 --> 02:45:09.280 diddling kids. 3133 02:45:09.280 --> 02:45:12.040 He wouldn't satantically diddling kids, and so like they started 3134 02:45:12.040 --> 02:45:14.319 the fucking reverse crusade for their homie. 3135 02:45:14.360 --> 02:45:15.319 I bet that's what it is. 3136 02:45:15.639 --> 02:45:19.280 It's very possible. I actually have a very different view 3137 02:45:19.319 --> 02:45:22.000 on all this as a matter of fact, Like I 3138 02:45:22.159 --> 02:45:22.760 think that. 3139 02:45:24.479 --> 02:45:27.760 With all this evidence, you still think it's egregres and metaphors. 3140 02:45:28.000 --> 02:45:30.520 No, no, no, no, Like I'm one hundred percent believing 3141 02:45:30.520 --> 02:45:34.159 that there are people that are sacrificing in the name of. 3142 02:45:36.040 --> 02:45:36.760 Answering them. 3143 02:45:36.799 --> 02:45:38.840 Do you believe that's metaphors and edgergres or do you 3144 02:45:38.879 --> 02:45:40.600 believe that's Satan answering them. 3145 02:45:41.600 --> 02:45:44.079 No, I don't think Satan. All of this evidence and 3146 02:45:44.120 --> 02:45:47.559 all this proof, I don't think you need. I don't 3147 02:45:47.559 --> 02:45:50.559 think there has to be proof of Satan answering anybody 3148 02:45:50.600 --> 02:45:52.840 in order for somebody to carry out a sacrifice. I 3149 02:45:52.879 --> 02:45:55.959 think that people like maybe they're drawn towards wanting to 3150 02:45:56.000 --> 02:45:59.360 sacrifice for for the dark Lord, or for magic, or 3151 02:45:59.399 --> 02:46:01.719 for this or that, And I think that there is 3152 02:46:02.719 --> 02:46:05.760 magic and power to be gained from that. But I 3153 02:46:05.840 --> 02:46:10.120 do I actually believe that there is Satan that is like, yes, 3154 02:46:10.959 --> 02:46:14.280 your sacrifice for me, and I will give you all 3155 02:46:14.319 --> 02:46:16.959 your wishes. No, I don't think there's fucking genies out there. No, 3156 02:46:17.120 --> 02:46:18.000 I just don't believe that. 3157 02:46:18.520 --> 02:46:21.319 But if it didn't work exactly like they think it 3158 02:46:21.360 --> 02:46:23.879 would mathematically have done it so many times, why would 3159 02:46:23.879 --> 02:46:24.920 they continue doing it? 3160 02:46:25.840 --> 02:46:29.799 I mean, why do most people do a lot of 3161 02:46:29.840 --> 02:46:31.879 people do shit out of tradition. You got to think 3162 02:46:31.920 --> 02:46:34.879 about that too. It's not always for spiritual reasons. They 3163 02:46:34.920 --> 02:46:37.079 might do it because that's the way they were brought up. 3164 02:46:37.399 --> 02:46:39.799 Maybe they don't know any other way that that is 3165 02:46:39.879 --> 02:46:42.239 the way, because that's the way it's always been. And 3166 02:46:42.280 --> 02:46:44.600 if it doesn't work for me, well, that's just because 3167 02:46:44.600 --> 02:46:47.280 I'm not as good of a practitioner as my dad 3168 02:46:47.319 --> 02:46:50.639 who did it to carry out or whatever. Right, I 3169 02:46:50.639 --> 02:46:51.000 don't know. 3170 02:46:52.000 --> 02:46:53.479 I mean I could see where you're going with that. 3171 02:46:53.559 --> 02:46:58.079 But like in today's world, if you're sacrificing children, even 3172 02:46:58.120 --> 02:46:59.760 if you were brought up in that environment, you think 3173 02:46:59.799 --> 02:47:03.040 that's normal. Like, it won't take you very long living 3174 02:47:03.079 --> 02:47:06.360 in regular society to realize, hey, wait a minute, that's 3175 02:47:06.440 --> 02:47:07.079 not okay. 3176 02:47:08.319 --> 02:47:11.959 Oh well, I mean, yeah, no tradition. 3177 02:47:11.719 --> 02:47:14.639 Or not, you know, so what racism, that's tradition. 3178 02:47:14.719 --> 02:47:16.920 My grandfather was this, my dad was this, so on this, 3179 02:47:17.040 --> 02:47:19.479 it's like, no, in today's world, you have to be 3180 02:47:19.520 --> 02:47:20.760 an adultant thing for yourself. 3181 02:47:20.760 --> 02:47:22.159 You can't. That's that doesn't fly. 3182 02:47:22.959 --> 02:47:25.920 I forgot to mention too in regards to the Great 3183 02:47:26.000 --> 02:47:30.000 Faction and stuff when they mentioned the false memories syndrome, 3184 02:47:31.040 --> 02:47:34.920 you do you know, the dirty laundry on them some 3185 02:47:34.959 --> 02:47:39.600 of the founders or accused them of sexual abuse when 3186 02:47:39.639 --> 02:47:44.239 she was a child. Shocker, She goes out and speaks 3187 02:47:44.280 --> 02:47:47.959 she's a psychologist or psychiatrist now or something I can't remember. 3188 02:47:48.319 --> 02:47:51.239 And then a couple of years ago they went under. 3189 02:47:51.280 --> 02:47:55.600 They no longer exist they just Wow, this dissipated. But 3190 02:47:55.680 --> 02:47:59.600 what's interesting is in Galainne Maxwell's child, they were bringing 3191 02:47:59.680 --> 02:48:03.120 up memories. They're trying to use that as a defense. 3192 02:48:04.399 --> 02:48:08.799 Interesting hmm, wow, Yeah, that's. 3193 02:48:08.680 --> 02:48:09.200 What I'm saying. 3194 02:48:09.280 --> 02:48:13.440 I know, I think that there is something really going on. 3195 02:48:13.719 --> 02:48:17.120 Like I just I think that the thing that you 3196 02:48:17.239 --> 02:48:22.879 think is answering you is not actually, you know, like 3197 02:48:23.000 --> 02:48:26.440 some guy that is like, yes, please sin and I'll 3198 02:48:26.479 --> 02:48:28.239 help you. I'll give you whatever you want. 3199 02:48:28.280 --> 02:48:32.040 I don't he's not a guy. He's not like a dude. 3200 02:48:32.440 --> 02:48:37.000 He's the devil, an energy whatever. I don't know. That's 3201 02:48:37.079 --> 02:48:38.239 just my own opinion. 3202 02:48:37.920 --> 02:48:41.000 That tells you that's who's answering you, like says by name. 3203 02:48:43.360 --> 02:48:44.120 In what instance? 3204 02:48:44.280 --> 02:48:45.280 Was me here? 3205 02:48:46.600 --> 02:48:48.920 But like in what way? Like if I was to 3206 02:48:49.440 --> 02:48:49.920 if I was. 3207 02:48:49.840 --> 02:48:52.440 To do a spell and the thing answering me told 3208 02:48:52.479 --> 02:48:55.360 me straight up I am Satan or I am Lucifer, 3209 02:48:55.600 --> 02:48:57.520 And it's like, oh, okay, this is exactly who I'm 3210 02:48:57.520 --> 02:48:59.799 talking to. This happened, and like, okay, I could write 3211 02:48:59.840 --> 02:49:01.520 this down, I could talk to people about it, and 3212 02:49:01.559 --> 02:49:03.440 we have people that do in. 3213 02:49:03.399 --> 02:49:08.000 What way would that entity say its name? Like would 3214 02:49:08.040 --> 02:49:11.440 it like telekinetically would it be like in what way? 3215 02:49:12.280 --> 02:49:15.840 It could be verbal, could be audible, could be telekinetic, 3216 02:49:15.959 --> 02:49:17.520 could be written out. I don't know. 3217 02:49:18.639 --> 02:49:18.959 I mean. 3218 02:49:20.600 --> 02:49:22.559 Honestly, this is how I look at it. Like if 3219 02:49:22.719 --> 02:49:25.479 if if I was I don't know, doing some kind 3220 02:49:25.479 --> 02:49:29.920 of spell or something like that, right, and uh, I 3221 02:49:29.959 --> 02:49:32.360 don't know, maybe the cursor on the Wuiji board was 3222 02:49:32.440 --> 02:49:34.079 like I was like, who is this and it was 3223 02:49:34.120 --> 02:49:38.559 all I'm Satan. I'd be like, okay, well you're I. 3224 02:49:39.319 --> 02:49:41.799 You wouldn't take that as correct. You would think, oh, 3225 02:49:41.840 --> 02:49:43.280 it's a spirit trolling me. 3226 02:49:43.600 --> 02:49:47.360 Really if it is correct, I look at all demons 3227 02:49:47.399 --> 02:49:50.399 and Satan's and lucifers and all that shit as below 3228 02:49:50.520 --> 02:49:54.120 me though, Like that's how I view that whole thing like, 3229 02:49:54.200 --> 02:49:57.000 And so like here you are, like you don't even 3230 02:49:57.079 --> 02:49:59.840 have a physical body. You're trying to get to me 3231 02:50:00.120 --> 02:50:02.559 that has a physical body. I would just be like, 3232 02:50:02.600 --> 02:50:04.639 you're below me, like you you wish you were me, 3233 02:50:04.680 --> 02:50:06.120 and that's why you're trying to haunt me. And so 3234 02:50:06.200 --> 02:50:08.559 I would just view them as less than nothing. 3235 02:50:09.159 --> 02:50:11.280 I didn't ask you if you'd be worried or scared 3236 02:50:11.319 --> 02:50:13.600 of them, I'm asking or you acknowledging that they're real 3237 02:50:13.639 --> 02:50:15.600 and that they are who they say they are. 3238 02:50:16.760 --> 02:50:22.920 If if they made themselves know, I mean, you would 3239 02:50:22.920 --> 02:50:25.280 take that as no, it's not it's what No, you 3240 02:50:25.600 --> 02:50:28.000 would you take it as, oh, it's answering me. 3241 02:50:28.120 --> 02:50:28.680 Holy shit. 3242 02:50:29.719 --> 02:50:31.040 I guess I would have to be put in that 3243 02:50:31.120 --> 02:50:33.120 situation in order to give you a correct answer on 3244 02:50:33.200 --> 02:50:35.799 that surf. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know because 3245 02:50:35.799 --> 02:50:37.879 I don't think that would ever happen. That's that's my 3246 02:50:38.000 --> 02:50:39.479 thing is soon. 3247 02:50:39.079 --> 02:50:41.879 Doesn't communicate through Ouiji boys. That was a contrived example. 3248 02:50:41.920 --> 02:50:45.399 But so even with presented face to face with it, 3249 02:50:45.520 --> 02:50:48.079 you you would still question it like one plus one 3250 02:50:48.079 --> 02:50:50.399 equaling too. You would still look at it sideways. 3251 02:50:51.399 --> 02:50:55.959 I would really tried to get into my mind and 3252 02:50:56.040 --> 02:50:58.719 figure out why my mind is telling me that. 3253 02:50:59.520 --> 02:51:01.760 Again, you would not accept it. You would figure out 3254 02:51:01.799 --> 02:51:03.200 a way to delude yourself. 3255 02:51:03.200 --> 02:51:06.239 I don't think most of that should exist outside of 3256 02:51:06.280 --> 02:51:09.120 the person's mind. That's that's we're looking at it from 3257 02:51:09.159 --> 02:51:12.239 two very different perspectives, you know, like I think that 3258 02:51:12.280 --> 02:51:14.159 the devil can't exist without you. 3259 02:51:15.000 --> 02:51:18.680 I feel like Jacob's coming from it with an Akman's razor, 3260 02:51:18.920 --> 02:51:22.760 kind of like, you know, the easiest conclusion is the 3261 02:51:23.239 --> 02:51:28.760 correct conclusion, and you're thinking about it so much deeper, Jonathan, 3262 02:51:28.920 --> 02:51:31.159 So it's kind of interesting to see both your takes 3263 02:51:31.159 --> 02:51:32.040 on it well. 3264 02:51:32.079 --> 02:51:35.399 And to be fair, I asked Jacob a very similar 3265 02:51:36.000 --> 02:51:38.680 question not that long ago. Whenever I asked you if 3266 02:51:38.760 --> 02:51:41.479 God told you to do this, Remember it was a 3267 02:51:41.559 --> 02:51:43.680 it was a more drawn out answer that you gave me. 3268 02:51:43.760 --> 02:51:46.200 You said, why, I'd have to really, you know, sit 3269 02:51:46.239 --> 02:51:48.040 there and pray on it and test the spirit, and 3270 02:51:48.040 --> 02:51:50.399 then I'd go ask I'll go ask this person, go 3271 02:51:50.440 --> 02:51:53.520 ask that person, and so it's not not necessarily a 3272 02:51:53.639 --> 02:51:54.719 cut and dry answers. 3273 02:51:55.239 --> 02:51:58.319 The long form of that answer to that question was yes, 3274 02:51:58.360 --> 02:51:58.719 I would. 3275 02:51:59.159 --> 02:52:01.239 Yeah. But the thing is is that you say that 3276 02:52:01.319 --> 02:52:05.440 you are regularly conversing with God. You have conversations regularly 3277 02:52:05.520 --> 02:52:08.280 with God, and so my question would be why would 3278 02:52:08.319 --> 02:52:09.280 you question it? Then? 3279 02:52:11.079 --> 02:52:13.200 That's for the example you gave me. It was something 3280 02:52:13.239 --> 02:52:15.280 extreme and I forget what it was. It wouldn't like 3281 02:52:15.360 --> 02:52:18.040 kill somebody, but it was something like drastic. It's not 3282 02:52:18.079 --> 02:52:19.639 like God's telling me to go brush my teeth. It 3283 02:52:19.680 --> 02:52:22.040 was something like where I'd have to like, whoa what 3284 02:52:22.840 --> 02:52:25.920 maybe like kill somebody or I forget what the example 3285 02:52:26.120 --> 02:52:26.639 was though it. 3286 02:52:26.600 --> 02:52:29.440 Was something messed up and contrived obviously because that's what 3287 02:52:29.479 --> 02:52:32.040 we do over here. But like, you know, just the idea, 3288 02:52:32.399 --> 02:52:33.000 like I don't know. 3289 02:52:33.760 --> 02:52:35.799 That's why I would question it, because if it was 3290 02:52:36.120 --> 02:52:38.120 if God was telling me something good to do, I 3291 02:52:38.120 --> 02:52:39.799 wouldn't question that it came from God. 3292 02:52:40.440 --> 02:52:43.920 You see what I'm saying, told me to do something negative, 3293 02:52:43.959 --> 02:52:45.520 I wouldn't question where it came from. 3294 02:52:45.680 --> 02:52:46.200 Bless you? 3295 02:52:46.600 --> 02:52:49.399 Sorry about that? Well, yeah, because now you're looking at 3296 02:52:49.399 --> 02:52:51.719 it as like God is you know, he's acting out 3297 02:52:51.760 --> 02:52:54.879 of character, right, Like if he asked you to do 3298 02:52:54.959 --> 02:52:57.399 something messed up and or no, not if he asked you, 3299 02:52:57.440 --> 02:52:59.760 if he told you do something messed up, you'd be like, wait, 3300 02:52:59.799 --> 02:53:02.040 this is this who I think it is? I thought 3301 02:53:02.079 --> 02:53:03.639 that we were on good terms. Why are you tell 3302 02:53:03.639 --> 02:53:05.840 me you do all this messed up shit? But there 3303 02:53:05.840 --> 02:53:08.479 are stories in the Bible where God has asked people 3304 02:53:08.479 --> 02:53:11.040 to do messed up shit before, right, so, and I 3305 02:53:11.040 --> 02:53:13.639 don't think that they went and asked anybody for whatever 3306 02:53:13.639 --> 02:53:16.040 their opinion on it was they did. 3307 02:53:16.040 --> 02:53:19.280 Indeed, that's why we have prophets who interpret that word 3308 02:53:19.600 --> 02:53:21.680 and tell us what the real meaning is, or at 3309 02:53:21.760 --> 02:53:22.239 least used to. 3310 02:53:22.680 --> 02:53:24.840 So who was old boy that you know, God told 3311 02:53:24.920 --> 02:53:26.600 him to go go up a mountain and bring his 3312 02:53:26.680 --> 02:53:27.799 kid up and throw him. 3313 02:53:27.639 --> 02:53:29.920 Off, Abraham Isaac. 3314 02:53:30.600 --> 02:53:33.120 So he went and he went and consulted somebody about 3315 02:53:33.120 --> 02:53:34.200 that before actually doing it. 3316 02:53:35.280 --> 02:53:37.479 I'd have to reread to be honest with you, because 3317 02:53:38.120 --> 02:53:40.120 it was like a big deal that God would even 3318 02:53:40.120 --> 02:53:41.840 ask him to do that in the first place. But 3319 02:53:41.879 --> 02:53:44.600 he struggled with it. He was like he went and just. 3320 02:53:44.559 --> 02:53:47.520 Like okay, God, let's go. Like no, he he was like, wait, 3321 02:53:48.079 --> 02:53:50.959 I'm ninety. I tried for years for a kid. What 3322 02:53:51.120 --> 02:53:51.360 is this? 3323 02:53:51.399 --> 02:53:54.760 And he he tried, like wait doing this deal with God? 3324 02:53:54.920 --> 02:53:57.120 And God was like, no, do this. I need to 3325 02:53:57.120 --> 02:53:59.440 see if you'll Yeah. But that's my point. There was 3326 02:53:59.479 --> 02:54:01.440 a point to it. There was a purpose to it. 3327 02:54:01.799 --> 02:54:03.920 So if God was to tell me to do something. 3328 02:54:03.600 --> 02:54:06.719 Crazy, whatever the case may be, I would need to 3329 02:54:06.760 --> 02:54:08.959 test the spirit on it, and then if it was 3330 02:54:09.000 --> 02:54:11.280 seen that yes, this is correct, this is what I'm 3331 02:54:11.280 --> 02:54:13.079 supposed to go do, I would go do it. And 3332 02:54:13.159 --> 02:54:15.440 if it was supposed to be a test of faith, 3333 02:54:15.920 --> 02:54:18.120 something would stop me in the process and I would 3334 02:54:18.120 --> 02:54:18.879 have faith of it. 3335 02:54:18.920 --> 02:54:20.360 Like that's how this works. 3336 02:54:20.520 --> 02:54:22.520 Yeah, and I think that my answer would be kind 3337 02:54:22.520 --> 02:54:25.920 of relatively similar. Like I wouldn't just be like, oh, 3338 02:54:25.959 --> 02:54:29.440 you're Satan. I would say, okay, if we're really playing 3339 02:54:29.440 --> 02:54:32.360 that game, prove it. That's what I would say, Like 3340 02:54:32.399 --> 02:54:35.040 if you're if you are the lord of this world, 3341 02:54:35.120 --> 02:54:38.159 even the Bible says says so that basically that you're 3342 02:54:38.200 --> 02:54:40.520 the lord of this world, you can make literally anything happen. 3343 02:54:40.879 --> 02:54:47.000 All right, put a miniature elephant in my hand. I 3344 02:54:47.040 --> 02:54:49.520 would say, so, I'm so messed up, like so crazy 3345 02:54:49.559 --> 02:54:52.200 and contrived. If you can do it, like you control 3346 02:54:52.239 --> 02:54:54.040 this matrix, like you should be able to do that. 3347 02:54:54.120 --> 02:54:58.840 Right, Jonathan, I'll take this answer. You are testing the spirit, 3348 02:54:59.079 --> 02:55:02.040 and I will take that more than man. No, it's 3349 02:55:02.040 --> 02:55:03.639 not real, Like, no, no, you test it. 3350 02:55:03.719 --> 02:55:05.840 You'd see what was up if you claim to be 3351 02:55:05.879 --> 02:55:07.719 this like okay, yes, it's good. Right. 3352 02:55:07.760 --> 02:55:10.280 There's not a lot of things, especially spiritually, that I 3353 02:55:10.319 --> 02:55:12.120 take at face value, you know what I mean? 3354 02:55:12.680 --> 02:55:13.719 Yeah, that's fair. 3355 02:55:13.799 --> 02:55:16.239 So anyway, sorry, all right, Nick, we went on. 3356 02:55:18.719 --> 02:55:22.000 You're fine. No, it's it's all fascinating. I'm enjoying it. 3357 02:55:22.600 --> 02:55:25.120 Oh yeah, and that's you know, that's kind of like 3358 02:55:25.559 --> 02:55:29.360 our our stick on this show is that we kind 3359 02:55:29.360 --> 02:55:31.840 of just not necessarily I mean, we disagree on a lot, 3360 02:55:32.159 --> 02:55:37.000 but it's it's through our disagreements that we learn different perspectives. 3361 02:55:37.479 --> 02:55:39.719 And I think that that is way more powerful than 3362 02:55:39.760 --> 02:55:41.159 being in some kind of echo chamber. 3363 02:55:41.440 --> 02:55:43.559 And it creates great dialogue too. 3364 02:55:44.840 --> 02:55:47.559 Yeah, I think so some people get annoyed with it 3365 02:55:47.600 --> 02:55:49.840 because I feel like we do this on repeat but 3366 02:55:49.879 --> 02:55:52.920 with different nuances. But at the same time, yo, so 3367 02:55:53.079 --> 02:55:53.920 does everybody. 3368 02:55:54.440 --> 02:55:58.120 Everybody who's actually having these types of conversations, real deep 3369 02:55:58.200 --> 02:56:02.639 conversations about things and stuff. They are going to go 3370 02:56:02.760 --> 02:56:05.200 back and forth. You're gonna have a little tit for tag, 3371 02:56:05.239 --> 02:56:08.040 You're gonna have this kind of understanding and sometimes agree 3372 02:56:08.079 --> 02:56:11.479 to disagree, but it's like, you know, it can't. 3373 02:56:12.319 --> 02:56:14.479 The thing is to not let it devolve into bickering, 3374 02:56:14.760 --> 02:56:17.799 which so many people these days. 3375 02:56:17.479 --> 02:56:20.040 Just why I can't talk about politics anymore? 3376 02:56:20.399 --> 02:56:24.280 Oh my god. If we don't talk about politics, then 3377 02:56:24.280 --> 02:56:26.280 how are we ever going to grow as a community. 3378 02:56:26.680 --> 02:56:29.360 If we can't talk about religion, then how is anyone 3379 02:56:29.399 --> 02:56:35.520 gonna understand or think with new philosophical ideas and morality? 3380 02:56:35.600 --> 02:56:39.479 Yes, yeah, there's no doubt about that. Well, NIXX, what 3381 02:56:39.920 --> 02:56:42.360 can you tell our good cult members? First off, what 3382 02:56:42.399 --> 02:56:44.760 we can expect from you next time we have a 3383 02:56:44.799 --> 02:56:45.760 conversation with you. 3384 02:56:46.479 --> 02:56:50.959 So I will be covering ritualistic commicide and the type 3385 02:56:50.959 --> 02:56:56.440 of individuals that commit ritualist to commicide and just ritualistic 3386 02:56:56.520 --> 02:57:00.399 crimes in general, some cases that would be considered a 3387 02:57:00.520 --> 02:57:04.360 cult or satanic crimes. Touch on the Landing Report a 3388 02:57:04.399 --> 02:57:08.840 little bit, and so yeah, that is what's in the future. 3389 02:57:09.559 --> 02:57:12.239 Awesome, I love it. And can you tell our good 3390 02:57:12.239 --> 02:57:14.920 call members where they can find you and all your 3391 02:57:14.959 --> 02:57:15.799 all your sources. 3392 02:57:16.360 --> 02:57:21.319 Yeah, so you can find me my podcast, Digian Charters. 3393 02:57:21.440 --> 02:57:24.959 It's on all major podcast platforms. I only do audio currently, 3394 02:57:25.040 --> 02:57:27.239 but you can find me on Apple, Spotify and some 3395 02:57:27.360 --> 02:57:32.200 of the other smaller podcast platforms. I am also on 3396 02:57:32.360 --> 02:57:38.520 Instagram under stigyan Charters. Stigian has an underscore well between 3397 02:57:38.600 --> 02:57:41.719 Stigian Charters it has an underscore, and then on Twitter, 3398 02:57:41.799 --> 02:57:45.239 I'm just Stigyan Charters, so you guys can find me 3399 02:57:45.319 --> 02:57:49.600 there and follow. I would almost recommend Instagram more than 3400 02:57:49.799 --> 02:57:53.520 xto because extras me crazy. They limit your characters, they 3401 02:57:53.559 --> 02:57:56.680 limit your pictures, they limit your video time, and so 3402 02:57:57.520 --> 02:58:02.040 some of my better research posts are on Instagram because 3403 02:58:02.040 --> 02:58:05.719 I'm not limited to that, and i was on a 3404 02:58:05.719 --> 02:58:07.840 little bit of a hiatus kind of with the holidays 3405 02:58:07.840 --> 02:58:11.520 and everything. But I've got guests. I got a guest 3406 02:58:11.520 --> 02:58:15.000 book tomorrow and up into January, so I'm trying to 3407 02:58:15.000 --> 02:58:16.399 get back on the ball things here. 3408 02:58:17.200 --> 02:58:20.680 Awesome. Well, look, we will have your links down below. 3409 02:58:20.719 --> 02:58:22.799 Anybody wants to be able to have those hyperlinks and 3410 02:58:22.920 --> 02:58:26.479 just get right there and go check out Stidgy in 3411 02:58:26.840 --> 02:58:31.440 charter Say there we go. So yeah, definitely go ahead 3412 02:58:31.440 --> 02:58:33.399 and do that. And also anybody that wants to be 3413 02:58:33.440 --> 02:58:35.719 able to see the video content or you want to 3414 02:58:35.719 --> 02:58:38.280 be able to have the shows, you want to be 3415 02:58:38.319 --> 02:58:40.159 able to have access to the shows that come out 3416 02:58:40.200 --> 02:58:42.520 a couple of days in advance. Actually we're getting so 3417 02:58:42.600 --> 02:58:44.559 far ahead now, we're almost a week ahead. So if 3418 02:58:44.559 --> 02:58:47.079 you want to be able to hear up to date, 3419 02:58:47.520 --> 02:58:49.719 literally to the minute, like as soon as we are 3420 02:58:49.719 --> 02:58:52.200 done with these episodes, they're getting shot over to my 3421 02:58:52.280 --> 02:58:55.200 sister and she's editing them on the spot and uploading them. 3422 02:58:55.200 --> 02:58:56.719 So if you want to be able to have access 3423 02:58:57.159 --> 02:59:00.360 directly the day of if I mean it's it's gonna 3424 02:59:00.399 --> 02:59:03.559 be the next day at the at the very latest, 3425 02:59:03.559 --> 02:59:05.559 but either way, that would be the best way to 3426 02:59:05.559 --> 02:59:08.040 be able to support the show, and you will have 3427 02:59:08.159 --> 02:59:13.319 access to join us every Tuesday night. I just had 3428 02:59:13.319 --> 02:59:15.840 to think about that for a second, every Tuesday night 3429 02:59:16.360 --> 02:59:19.639 at nine pm Central Time for our Cult live shows. 3430 02:59:20.639 --> 02:59:23.399 And you can have access to that just by signing 3431 02:59:23.440 --> 02:59:24.959 up for the third Eye All the Way Open tier 3432 02:59:25.040 --> 02:59:28.840 on Patreon. That is at patreon dot com slash Cult 3433 02:59:28.840 --> 02:59:31.719 of Conspiracy podcast, and you can also check out rockfan 3434 02:59:31.760 --> 02:59:34.719 dot com slash Cult of Conspiracy. However, of our Rockfan 3435 02:59:34.760 --> 02:59:36.280 you don't get access to our live show. If you 3436 02:59:36.319 --> 02:59:38.719 want access to the live show, it's at Patreon and 3437 02:59:38.760 --> 02:59:41.159 all those links are down in the show notes below. 3438 02:59:41.799 --> 02:59:44.600 Patreon really is the best way to support us, ladies 3439 02:59:44.639 --> 02:59:50.319 and gentlemen. And we cannot stress this enough. Commercial for yo, 3440 02:59:50.479 --> 02:59:52.680 we fucking hate commercials too. We get it. 3441 02:59:52.840 --> 02:59:56.239 Okay, you come to patreon dot com slash Cult to Conspiracy, 3442 02:59:56.239 --> 02:59:58.719 there's no commercials and you get to come on with 3443 02:59:58.760 --> 03:00:00.600 the live If you go to that here, it's great. 3444 03:00:00.600 --> 03:00:02.440 It's great time come join the combo. 3445 03:00:02.760 --> 03:00:03.399 We enjoy it. 3446 03:00:04.280 --> 03:00:06.520 Yes, definitely do that. Can we get some knife fans 3447 03:00:06.600 --> 03:00:07.479 up in here and jacking. 3448 03:00:07.479 --> 03:00:10.000 We can, and this is like a special edition knife hand. 3449 03:00:10.040 --> 03:00:13.440 Because my daughter did my nails so right after Christmas, 3450 03:00:13.440 --> 03:00:15.559 she just got a little nail set. Me and her 3451 03:00:15.600 --> 03:00:18.200 had a little daddy daughter date today after birthday, and 3452 03:00:18.239 --> 03:00:20.799 so she wanted to do daddy's nails, so we did 3453 03:00:20.920 --> 03:00:23.200 so very glittery blue night. 3454 03:00:23.239 --> 03:00:26.239 Good job she did. She just turned nine. And I'm 3455 03:00:26.280 --> 03:00:29.319 telling you, man, this is real artistic work here. But 3456 03:00:29.879 --> 03:00:33.120 with all of that, if you have it already, dear 3457 03:00:33.159 --> 03:00:37.000 cult members, then please at this time hit the five stars, 3458 03:00:37.000 --> 03:00:39.120 sit the shares it like subscribes to comments, leave a post, 3459 03:00:39.159 --> 03:00:41.239 leave reviews, shares, sit the friends of family, sharffes everywhere. 3460 03:00:41.239 --> 03:00:41.639 Here's the deal. 3461 03:00:41.840 --> 03:00:44.239 The more activity our algorithm see across all of our 3462 03:00:44.280 --> 03:00:47.520 listening platforms, the more we get promoted to more potential listeners. 3463 03:00:47.200 --> 03:00:49.399 Who could then become potential call members like the rest 3464 03:00:49.440 --> 03:00:50.600 of you that have already gone and done. 3465 03:00:50.600 --> 03:00:50.680 So. 3466 03:00:50.799 --> 03:00:52.680 While you're at it, hearing the click and the click 3467 03:00:52.719 --> 03:00:54.920 mood of given the five stars and the good reviews 3468 03:00:54.959 --> 03:00:57.200 and the loves and the positivity, go check out and 3469 03:00:57.200 --> 03:00:59.440 Meta Mysteries Jonathan's other show and give them all the love, 3470 03:00:59.479 --> 03:01:02.280 the five stars and the comments. Go check out Caje 3471 03:01:02.319 --> 03:01:04.520 to Night my YouTube channel, and give me the subscribes 3472 03:01:04.559 --> 03:01:06.879 and the follows and the battle notification. And while you're 3473 03:01:06.920 --> 03:01:10.360 in this mood, please go check out Stitchyon Charters and 3474 03:01:10.639 --> 03:01:13.680 all of her listening platforms. The Spotify is the Apple Podcasts, 3475 03:01:13.920 --> 03:01:16.360 five star reviews. Everybody, give her the comments, give her 3476 03:01:16.360 --> 03:01:19.239 the booth, give her all the credibilities so we can 3477 03:01:19.319 --> 03:01:23.040 boost these algorithmic matrixes and grow and bust through these 3478 03:01:23.040 --> 03:01:25.600 glass ceilings that we have found ourselves in. We thank 3479 03:01:25.639 --> 03:01:27.040 you for everybody. He's already gone and done so. 3480 03:01:27.280 --> 03:01:30.920 And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode 3481 03:01:30.959 --> 03:01:35.159 of the Cults of Conspiracy. And my name's Jonathan, I'm Jacob, 3482 03:01:35.239 --> 03:01:37.520 and there's one very important, extremely vital piece of information 3483 03:01:37.559 --> 03:01:40.159 we need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible. 3484 03:02:15.760 --> 03:02:17.200 I'll bead off that are 3485 03:02:24.360 --> 03:02:38.360 So s