Speaker 1: Oh well, thats a hello and welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan,
Speaker 1: I'm Jacob and today we have a very special guest.
Speaker 1: It is Nicks from Stygian Charters. Did I get it? Stigian?
Speaker 2: How did I mess that up again?
Speaker 1: What is wrong with me? Anyway? Stiggyan Stigy Stidgeon? Why
Speaker 1: is that so difficult? I'm so sorry about that, Stygian.
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, stingy, like stingy?
Speaker 2: Do you want to redo that part?
Speaker 1: Just no, Let's just keep it going. I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: people were people, But if you would, can you describe
Speaker 1: why you came to that name? How you came to
Speaker 1: that Yeah.
Speaker 3: So when I was working on coming up with a
Speaker 3: name for my podcast, I was trying to come up
Speaker 3: with a concept of taking people or listeners through a
Speaker 3: dark voyage through dark waters, and I was thinking of
Speaker 3: the mythology of the River Styx and Karen, which many
Speaker 3: people think it's pronounced Charn but pronounced Karen c h
Speaker 3: r Own, who is the ferryman of the river Sticks.
Speaker 3: And I just couldn't find a way to make that
Speaker 3: work for a show. So side note, I'm a fan
Speaker 3: of owls before I knew about Bohemian Grove and everything
Speaker 3: like that. But I've always liked owls. And I was
Speaker 3: going through Instagram and it wasn't I'm not subscribed to
Speaker 3: anything owl related. And this sponsored ad came up about
Speaker 3: the Stygian owl. And this is an owl like in
Speaker 3: South America and Central America, and it's an owl. When
Speaker 3: artificial light hits its eyes, it turns red. The eyes
Speaker 3: turned red, so it was called a Stygian owl. And
Speaker 3: the I'm like, well, what does Stigian mean? And I
Speaker 3: looked it up and it meant dark or pertaining to
Speaker 3: the river stycks. Wow, that's how Stygean Charters was born.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Well I like a little backstory like that.
Speaker 1: I love the symbolism personally, Like I'm huge on symbolism,
Speaker 1: and so I appreciate somebody who actually, you know, follows
Speaker 1: through with that and actually names themselves off of something
Speaker 1: like that. That is really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, it's crazy though, naming the owl.
Speaker 4: I think about the guy who had originally discovered the
Speaker 4: owl and like wrote it in the book Red Eyes.
Speaker 4: Clearly the rigid the river sticks is a stitchy now,
Speaker 4: just because that's wild yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's actually funny too, because you know, uh, well,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm about to move back to Louisiana. Jacob already
Speaker 1: lives there, red stick mat and rouge, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same and we go, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: But I thought that that would get like a bigger
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I'm just kidding. But anyway, look, speaking
Speaker 1: of a red stick, let's talk about that guy with
Speaker 1: the red stick. Are we going to be getting into
Speaker 1: a little bit of Satanism? Uh? Maybe the devil. I
Speaker 1: have a feeling you have a quite controversial opinion or
Speaker 1: maybe have you on the year.
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm sure some of the Satanists out there wouldn't
Speaker 3: like to hear me speak about some of these things.
Speaker 3: But you know, I grew up in the eighties and
Speaker 3: nineties during the height of the Satanic panic, and you know,
Speaker 3: I remember living through it and everything and then you know,
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, oh it's a hoax. It was fake.
Speaker 3: It was you know, just moral panic, people overreacting. I
Speaker 3: mean when we had people like we had police officers
Speaker 3: coming into school, you know, talking to kids about that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff and to be careful, and cops today
Speaker 3: still maintain that there was weird shit going on. And
Speaker 3: even my dad he used to off road in his
Speaker 3: gep he came across a site where they clearly were
Speaker 3: sacrificing some type of animals. So, you know, so it
Speaker 3: aggravates me when people say, oh, well, Satanists are just atheists.
Speaker 3: There's not just one type of Satanists, just like there's
Speaker 3: not you know, like there's theistic and non theistic, which
Speaker 3: we'll get into, but everybody just automatically associates Satanism with
Speaker 3: either the Church's Satan or the Satanic Temple, and both
Speaker 3: of them are kind of controversial to begin with because
Speaker 3: they say certain things but do differ different things that
Speaker 3: make you question what their real motive is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we actually about this go ahead, No, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say. We actually just did our episode six sixty
Speaker 1: six and and it was we covered Satanism in the
Speaker 1: Church of Satan and all that stuff. You get into
Speaker 1: the Leaveyian type of Satanism, which they're weird eleven earthly
Speaker 1: rules or whatever it was. It was like destroy them
Speaker 1: if they're annoying, and it's like, what that's that's strange.
Speaker 4: But mostly it's just new age well, I say New
Speaker 4: Age loosely, uh, humanism, it's worship of oneself because everybody's
Speaker 4: a god and bump up up, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 4: so you're just calling it satanism to be edgy, which like, okay, cool.
Speaker 2: As a metal head, I get it, you're doing it
Speaker 2: for the optics.
Speaker 4: But like, there's also those that are worshiping the actual
Speaker 4: dark Lord and are doing this with the intention of
Speaker 4: calling upon the evil One and things like that, and
Speaker 4: then there's all kinds of shades of gray and nuances
Speaker 4: and chapters and offshoots and.
Speaker 2: Subs, you know how humans be, you know.
Speaker 1: But I actually have We've had a guy on here before,
Speaker 1: and I've had him on Meta Mystery several times my
Speaker 1: other podcast. His name is Lord Byron Jester, and he
Speaker 1: likes to use the He does like a lot of
Speaker 1: spell work. He's kind of like a wizard, but he
Speaker 1: does a lot of spell work, and he includes the
Speaker 1: demons of the Goetia a lot, like he works with
Speaker 1: them a lot. And but I don't think that he
Speaker 1: describes himself as a Satanist. It's just more of like magic.
Speaker 2: Didn't he also say he was calling upon the metaphorical demons.
Speaker 1: I don't think he said metaphorical. I think it's more
Speaker 1: of the theymbolic. It's it's like the egregorical versions of
Speaker 1: these demons, right, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think you would necessarily call oh, God,
Speaker 3: what is his name? Edward Kelly and John?
Speaker 2: I would say John D. Damn it, John D.
Speaker 3: Yes, there it is, Okay, Okay, So I wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 3: call them Satanists. But I mean you could say they're
Speaker 3: messing with dark entities, so it I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: so it could be a fine line to walk and everything.
Speaker 3: But I wouldn't necessarily call someone a Satanist because they're
Speaker 3: like channeling entities that might not necessarily be good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's kind of how he looks at it.
Speaker 1: He says that he works with demons and angels within
Speaker 1: his magic, and he says, really he likes to work
Speaker 1: with demons because they get the job done quicker, whereas
Speaker 1: angels they take a little bit longer. If they do
Speaker 1: help where demons and it's see this is different, you
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 3: Then you gotta think, Okay, well, what are these demons
Speaker 3: gonna want in exchange? After doing this?
Speaker 1: Well and this is his his talking point. As with
Speaker 1: most people within you know, the magic world and magic
Speaker 1: and spell work and witchcraft and all that kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: most people will look at it as like they're not
Speaker 1: looking at it for like the demons that are working
Speaker 1: for Satan. It's more so kind of like what it's
Speaker 1: more like the Gin, Like there's not all cases, not
Speaker 1: all cases of the Gin are all bad, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right? Yeah, I have a friend she would be
Speaker 3: great to have on your show. She goes by seven
Speaker 3: degrees of wisdom even on your other show, Jonathan. She's
Speaker 3: a practicing ceremonial magic occultist, and she's very very intelligent,
Speaker 3: and she has her own show and I've been on
Speaker 3: her show a couple times and everything's just going to
Speaker 3: come on mind. So she's definitely given me additional knowledge
Speaker 3: and education about the cult.
Speaker 1: Now, can I ask you, like, what perspective are you
Speaker 1: coming at this from. I'd just like to kind of
Speaker 1: set the table here. Not nothing against if you were
Speaker 1: an atheist, a Christian, a spiritual person, or any other
Speaker 1: kind of religion, just I like to understand the perspective
Speaker 1: in which you're looking at it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually a Christian, but a non denominational.
Speaker 2: Same here.
Speaker 3: I really organized religion, I don't like you know, at
Speaker 3: the end of the day of leave, you know Jesus
Speaker 3: Christ dying the cross for our sins, and if you
Speaker 3: accept the most Christ your savior, you know you'll be
Speaker 3: in heaven with him. So at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: that's the most important thing. And I just I think
Speaker 3: organized religion has become too political nowadays.
Speaker 2: I can agree more.
Speaker 4: But with that being said, how did you get into
Speaker 4: the realm of digging into occult practices and cult practices
Speaker 4: and demonology and these types of things, Because I remember
Speaker 4: the Satanic scare, right. I was born in nineties and
Speaker 4: my mom was a very new convert to Christianity. So
Speaker 4: when she jumped in, she jumped in both the first okay,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent Harry Potter.
Speaker 2: We reading that film.
Speaker 4: Up in this house, Like I was a part of
Speaker 4: that generation where two grades above me they read Harry
Speaker 4: Potter and the mom's like, damn are threatened to torch
Speaker 4: the school almost and then they took it away.
Speaker 2: So I remember this vibe. So, how and why and
Speaker 2: when did you get into this type of study?
Speaker 3: So when I was younger, I was scared of the dark.
Speaker 3: I you know, the things that I was scared of
Speaker 3: when I was younger. I started like more chasing as
Speaker 3: an adult because I wanted to know the like house
Speaker 3: and the whys. But I remember there was these books
Speaker 3: in the eighties, and my mom got suckered into buying
Speaker 3: some of them. But I remember looking at them when
Speaker 3: I was a kid. I think it was Time Life
Speaker 3: and there was volumes and it was all about like
Speaker 3: weird and strange phenomenon and everything, and I remember as
Speaker 3: a kid, I would start looking in there, and then
Speaker 3: my curiosity grew. So I started like looking into all
Speaker 3: these topics, and I think it started with like the
Speaker 3: paranormal and everything, especially when I found out, like before
Speaker 3: I was born, when my dad was still a kid,
Speaker 3: his house him and his parents lived in was very haunted.
Speaker 3: Someone had committed suicide there. So my curiosity grew, and
Speaker 3: it first was the paranormal, and then it was like UFOs,
Speaker 3: and then it was serial killers and crime. I was
Speaker 3: a criminal justice major. I did police academy. I didn't
Speaker 3: pursue that route necessarily. I mean I kind of did
Speaker 3: a little bit, but not as a law enforcement officer.
Speaker 3: So and then After that, like you know, I started
Speaker 3: listening to podcasts and everything, and I started hearing you know,
Speaker 3: talk about the cult and everything, and like I said,
Speaker 3: I grew up, you know, during the Satanic Panic, and
Speaker 3: so I was like, I wanted to dig in more.
Speaker 3: And you do see in today's world accult symbolism all
Speaker 3: over and especially you know, in entertainment or elites and stuff,
Speaker 3: and so I wanted to start digging into it and see,
Speaker 3: you know, what this was all about or what was
Speaker 3: going on. I had already been through all the other
Speaker 3: topics and they all still fascinate me, but I like
Speaker 3: to be well rounded, and so that's how I started
Speaker 3: investigating and researching the occult.
Speaker 1: Absolutely interesting. See I'm I'm also very interested in researching
Speaker 1: the occult as well. That's honestly the reason why I
Speaker 1: created my other podcast, Meta Mysteries, because I kept on
Speaker 1: wanting to talk about all the different spiritual aspects and
Speaker 1: the occult aspects and magic and witchcraft and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: just because I not necessarily because like I'm you know,
Speaker 1: drawn to the darkness or anything like that.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, exactly, No.
Speaker 1: It's more so, it's more so just out of curiosity.
Speaker 1: I just want to know, like, all right, is their
Speaker 1: magic and does it work? Well? I feel like I've
Speaker 1: pretty much like cemented my opinion on that that absolutely
Speaker 1: yes it does. And the same thing with witchcraft and
Speaker 1: candle magic and all these different forms of magic.
Speaker 3: Right, intent is a big thing and people don't realize that.
Speaker 3: And if you have the right intentions and you know
Speaker 3: what you're doing, you know you can do things. I mean,
Speaker 3: this isn't a child's play. So, but have you seen
Speaker 3: the movie Dark Song?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, I think it's on TV or Plex, but you
Speaker 3: guys should definitely watch it. It's supposedly the most accurate
Speaker 3: portrayal of the Abermelon ritual. So, which is the sun
Speaker 3: in your Guardian Angel? For a wish?
Speaker 1: I actually have that.
Speaker 2: I've heard the name. I don't know why I know
Speaker 2: the name.
Speaker 1: I have that book Abramelon the Mage. I think it's
Speaker 1: called Yes, Yes, Yes.
Speaker 3: It's like an eight month ritual Crawley try to do it.
Speaker 2: But is that the one that he quit halfway and
Speaker 2: just left the portal open?
Speaker 3: Probably fair enough.
Speaker 4: I couldn't remember what it was I heard. I mean,
Speaker 4: it depends on the soul something from what I was
Speaker 4: told there was one ritual he tried doing that was
Speaker 4: like a three day long ritual of like NonStop seventy
Speaker 4: two hours of chance and incantations and stuff, and he
Speaker 4: quit it like two days in and basically just threw
Speaker 4: up middle fingers.
Speaker 2: And that's not a good thing to do.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard of the eight Months story yet, although
Speaker 4: that also sounds like something that he would try. He
Speaker 4: was very eager go it and thought he was hot
Speaker 4: shit and then got roundhouse at the Battle of Life Grow,
Speaker 4: which was awesome.
Speaker 2: But whatever.
Speaker 1: There's so many magical there's so many like magical and
Speaker 1: spiritual books that I bought. I have just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get to them. It's just that I got a
Speaker 1: whole bookshelf of these books that I've just been collecting
Speaker 1: over the past year. And but there are some really
Speaker 1: good ones out there. Like you know, I always talk
Speaker 1: about my favorite book as dealing like into magic. There
Speaker 1: was a book that was written I think it was
Speaker 1: back in the seventies or eighties, I want to say,
Speaker 1: that was called them Agickian and this guy he's like,
Speaker 1: look like.
Speaker 3: Forget pretty talk about it before?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean the way I the way he
Speaker 1: breaks down magic. It's it is more of like intent driven,
Speaker 1: like so much so that whenever you do your magic
Speaker 1: or your spell work or anything like that. What he
Speaker 1: says is that if you do a magic spell for
Speaker 1: a ferrari and you're like yo, at the end of this,
Speaker 1: there will be a ferrari that shows up in my house,
Speaker 1: it will be mine one way or another. I will
Speaker 1: not accept or I will not like, uh not accept
Speaker 1: and by whatever means it gets to me, right, And
Speaker 1: he says, if you if if you don't get that
Speaker 1: ferrari to you within however long like a short amount
Speaker 1: of time, he goes, you just didn't do the spell, right, Like,
Speaker 1: that's how hard they believe in that. And I mean,
Speaker 1: I think you have to have that mentality though within
Speaker 1: magic like or else. Oh yeah, yeah, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like the mamba mentality almost, you know, right.
Speaker 3: I think intent is probably the most important link. If
Speaker 3: you don't have it, it's not going to be successful.
Speaker 2: Well, intent and then that's the only thing.
Speaker 4: Because I've also heard people say that if you set
Speaker 4: out like a and this is not to shit on
Speaker 4: anybody who is practicing magic, I'm speaking on behalf of
Speaker 4: ignorance here that as long as you say that you
Speaker 4: don't allow negative things to speak to you, you don't
Speaker 4: allow this to happen. Then like all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: the spirit realm like listens because evil forces, you know,
Speaker 4: will obey rules, because you know how evil forces listen
Speaker 4: to rules so often and so well and shit.
Speaker 2: But like, I don't know, But is intent really that important?
Speaker 2: Oh if I fire a gun at somebody, but I
Speaker 2: don't intend to kill them, but I do, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what my intention.
Speaker 1: You're talking about the physical world. That's the physical world
Speaker 1: and the spiritual world too, way different places, Like the
Speaker 1: rules are way different.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me know one. Then let's say that I
Speaker 2: comment on someone's hair. I did not mean it to
Speaker 2: be insulting, but this person feels so bad about whatever
Speaker 2: the hell I said. It sends them into a spiral.
Speaker 2: That wasn't my intention, But it doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 1: Well, then what would need to happen is it's it's
Speaker 1: not about what your intention was, it's about how it
Speaker 1: affected that person. And now it's up to you. The
Speaker 1: ball is totally in your court. Are you going to
Speaker 1: go and apologize because you know they took it the
Speaker 1: wrong way or you said it the wrong way. That
Speaker 1: that's dude. The magical world is a fucking wild place,
Speaker 1: and it's really all about, like you, it's about the
Speaker 1: ca of your character, what's pure in your heart kind of,
Speaker 1: but it's also about the intention, and it's also about
Speaker 1: the faith that you believe that whatever magic spell you're doing,
Speaker 1: it will work as long as you've gone through every
Speaker 1: single step individually. There's no there cannot be a question.
Speaker 1: And so it's it's it's weird to say it, but
Speaker 1: it is very faith based.
Speaker 3: It. You know, it always intreased me because you know,
Speaker 3: Satan Lucifer masqueraded as an angel of light. So you know,
Speaker 3: I often think about and you know, like I said,
Speaker 3: I have a very good friend that practices cerial ammonial magic.
Speaker 3: I just wonder what could be being communicated with and
Speaker 3: you know how even the most advanced practitioner might not
Speaker 3: be able to tell. I don't know, but yeah, so
Speaker 3: I guess with one thing I always wonder is you know,
Speaker 3: how do you you know what you may or may
Speaker 3: not be communicating with? Is it masquerading of you know,
Speaker 3: an entity of light or darkness?
Speaker 4: We see the Ouiji board as a pretty decent example
Speaker 4: of that as well. Right now, people of the Christian
Speaker 4: faith will immediately say, Wigi boards are evil, don't mess
Speaker 4: with them. I am of that belief, but there are
Speaker 4: others that see it as a means to communicate with
Speaker 4: the other side.
Speaker 2: And I'm in the same boat as you.
Speaker 4: Let's take off the stigma and the filters of whatever
Speaker 4: your bias may be. How do you actually know what's
Speaker 4: answering you? Because because you said that only good can answer,
Speaker 4: you get that evil doesn't care about that.
Speaker 3: Though, right, And it's not even so much I mean
Speaker 3: from a Christian standpoint, I'm coming on this necessarily. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, you don't want to fuck around and find.
Speaker 1: Out exactly Yes, agreed, I actually look at it from
Speaker 1: a much I look at it from a very different
Speaker 1: standpoint though, And I can't I'm not going to sit
Speaker 1: here and speak on behalf of all. You know, people
Speaker 1: are practicing magic or witchcraft or anything like that. This
Speaker 1: is my level of understanding that the demons don't exist
Speaker 1: outside of you, that the only place that they do
Speaker 1: exist is within you. And it's almost like, I mean, uh,
Speaker 1: it's like Freddy Krueger right, Like, you kind of got
Speaker 1: to believe in him and or at least hear of
Speaker 1: him initially right in order for him to start messing
Speaker 1: with you. But if you never heard that name, he's
Speaker 1: never going to attach himself to you.
Speaker 2: My demon was not within me when I was five. Brother,
Speaker 2: It's just me.
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't I don't have the answers for everything.
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about, like my understanding of how it
Speaker 1: is that I think that you're I think it this
Speaker 1: is gonna sound woo woo or whatever. This is just
Speaker 1: the way I look at it.
Speaker 4: Of the two of us, you are the resident woo
Speaker 4: woo correspondent. I'm the resident sticking the mud correspondent. We
Speaker 4: have our roles.
Speaker 1: Brother, I think that it has something to do that
Speaker 1: it plays off of your emotions. And I think that
Speaker 1: if you're in a negative headspace, I think if you're
Speaker 1: in a fearful headspace, I think that if maybe you
Speaker 1: just got done having an argument.
Speaker 3: It's like a polargeist in a way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. And and conversely, I think that if
Speaker 1: you're doing magic or playing on the Wigi board, even
Speaker 1: for that example, I think that if long as long
Speaker 1: as you've cleared your mind and you said, look, this
Speaker 1: is just a board and I need to let go
Speaker 1: of whatever stigma that is attached to it. I see
Speaker 1: it for what it is. It is a piece of
Speaker 1: cardboard and some stickers that are on top of it,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to use it to connect with spirits
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to reach out to. Now. I haven't
Speaker 1: played with a Wigi board yet. I haven't found anybody
Speaker 1: that wants to play with me.
Speaker 2: But but I feel like you would have a pretty
Speaker 2: easy time if you.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I just look at it
Speaker 1: a little bit differently. But that is that from what
Speaker 1: I understand. That is the common understanding amongst the people
Speaker 1: that I've talked to within magic that it's not necessarily
Speaker 1: that these demons are outside of you. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: because people that are kind of of this, you know,
Speaker 1: uh state of mind, they believe that these are not
Speaker 1: actual beings, that it's more of like Eggregor's and Tulpa's
Speaker 1: and whatever you believe them to be in that way,
Speaker 1: answer so other.
Speaker 3: Another movie insertion here? Have you seen the Empty Man?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Not like Talpa's and Ingurgo wres. It was Okay, but
Speaker 3: if you want to see a movie about Talpa and
Speaker 3: edgarg Or is the Empty Man is one? And I
Speaker 3: believe it's on some of the two B andplex free
Speaker 3: streaming services.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, while we're on this very thought process, right,
Speaker 2: me and you were on one side of the fence.
Speaker 4: Jonathan's staying is more of an egger Gore type of situation.
Speaker 4: So what you have found as far as the cult
Speaker 4: and the O cult and all things in between, is
Speaker 4: there kind of a mixture of ideas here? Do they
Speaker 4: believe one or versus the other?
Speaker 2: What have you found? Nixt?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so let me bring that up here. So what
Speaker 3: I'll do you briefly first is kind of define what
Speaker 3: the occult is versus the Call, and then I can
Speaker 3: explain how they can kind of merge together. So when
Speaker 3: you think of the Call, you can think of New
Speaker 3: Age and Satanism and everything like that. But although the
Speaker 3: exact definition of the cult in what constituted as a
Speaker 3: cult practices vary, it typically encompasses esoteric, supernatural, mystical or
Speaker 3: magical belief practices are phenomenon. So I think a lot
Speaker 3: of us know that in Latin it translates to what
Speaker 3: is hidden and Ethenic occult topics have traditionally been kept
Speaker 3: secretive and only available to a select few, so think
Speaker 3: secret societies. The idea of keeping knowledge of secret was
Speaker 3: done because they held the belief that it was too
Speaker 3: dangerous and powerful in the hands of the uninitiated or unworthy,
Speaker 3: and in modern popular usage, the term generally applies to
Speaker 3: subjects such as satanism, dark magic, and demonic summoning, as
Speaker 3: where from an academic viewpoint, it often applies to subjects
Speaker 3: such as astrology, alchemy, kabbala, divination, scrying, contacting in summing
Speaker 3: angels and demons, ritual magic, certain historical secret societies or
Speaker 3: mystery cults, hermeticism, ruined talisman, some forms of mississisi, and
Speaker 3: esoteric religious practices. So you can see that covers a
Speaker 3: lot of areas. The cult it's a practice, whereas when
Speaker 3: we talk about the cal a cult, so a cult
Speaker 3: is a group or movement held together by a commitment
Speaker 3: to a chrismatic leader or ideology. They're often associated with
Speaker 3: religious practices, but the cult is just a practice. In
Speaker 3: a cult, there can be a cult practices. However, not
Speaker 3: all cults practice the occult, so like the.
Speaker 4: The Marine Corps is a cult, but we are not
Speaker 4: dabbling in the o cult, right, Or.
Speaker 3: You can think about like the jeep people they always
Speaker 3: wave to each other, the people that drive jeeps and
Speaker 3: everything like that. Soies, yeah, I said, the rubber duckies. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 3: So an example of a cult that was practicing the
Speaker 3: cult was the Solar I think it was the Solar
Speaker 3: Temple over. I think it was in Switzerland and Canada
Speaker 3: where there's a mass suicide and everything like that. They
Speaker 3: had some really weird to call practices and everything. So
Speaker 3: that would be an example of a cult that practices
Speaker 3: be a cult or cult practices. So but you can't
Speaker 3: necessarily I mean maybe they were, but like Charles Manson
Speaker 3: and stuff, you couldn't say, you know, they were practicing
Speaker 3: the cult. They were, well, they were in some weird
Speaker 3: things I guess when they left at the murder scenes
Speaker 3: and stuff. But at any rate, that's what it is.
Speaker 3: Some cults practice the cult, some don't. Some are extremist
Speaker 3: Christians or whatever you know, you like David Koresh and
Speaker 3: people like that.
Speaker 4: So oh, I know tons of non denominational mega churches
Speaker 4: that are cults by any other name.
Speaker 2: Currently operating. I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, and that reminded me with you guys being
Speaker 3: from the Siana was you know, the first season of
Speaker 3: True Detective. It's based on a true story the Hosanna Church,
Speaker 3: Louisiana and stuff, and that's something you know I would
Speaker 3: cover in a future episode when I start talking about
Speaker 3: crimes that have a cult or satanic ties to them. So,
Speaker 3: but that was a really wild case. I still can't
Speaker 3: find a show as good as that first season of
Speaker 3: True Detective. I feel like I'm chasing a dragon on
Speaker 3: that one. That was just so phenomenal. That Have you
Speaker 3: guys seen it?
Speaker 1: That Hosanna Church is that from? Is that Hosanna High School?
Speaker 1: Ont a band rouge? I don't even know if Hosannah.
Speaker 2: Not Hosannah Christian Academy.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, no, No, that's funny though, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but there's a Hosannah Church. Yeah. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to remember what city that was in, to be honest
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of the parish it was in,
Speaker 3: and I feel like it might have started with the
Speaker 3: p RC, but I can't remember off the top of my.
Speaker 2: It went in New Orleans.
Speaker 3: It was I know it was Lewis La Monica. That
Speaker 3: was Junior, I think was the one that walked into
Speaker 3: the police station and admitted to richualistically abusing children and
Speaker 3: doing rituals like sacrificing cats and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Weird shit was in Ponchatula, yes, oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not too far from here.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, man, that's where the Strawberry
Speaker 2: festivals hail it every year.
Speaker 1: Delicious.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a good time. But yeah, there's there's
Speaker 2: psychos all over the place.
Speaker 4: And to your point, that True Detective season, they did
Speaker 4: a they did, to my knowledge, they did that story
Speaker 4: Justice m hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they'd used a lot of elements from it.
Speaker 3: They said.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 3: But because as soon as I found that out, you know,
Speaker 3: of course, I'm like on the on the the interwebs,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I have to know more about this,
Speaker 3: so and you know, and I read you can find
Speaker 3: the court documentation online. It's horrific. Like, I don't encourage
Speaker 3: anybody who you know, has any past trauma who could
Speaker 3: trigger or just can be destroyed easily or not good
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, because it's really.
Speaker 4: Really dark should definitely give a little disclaimer on that one,
Speaker 4: like search but at your own para.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to remember what year that was.
Speaker 3: Early two thousands, I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I must say it wasn't like that
Speaker 2: was back in the gap either.
Speaker 3: It was, Yeah, it wasn't. It was the Satanic panic
Speaker 3: was supposedly over by then.
Speaker 4: So two thousand and five, we even had a even
Speaker 4: by my house. We I say, by my house, like
Speaker 4: you know, so many cities over what's that group that
Speaker 4: the duggers are?
Speaker 2: The Fundies, the fundamental Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fundamental Mormons or Latter day Scenes Fundamentalist.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had one of those cults out here, and
Speaker 4: they got shut down because there were too many cases
Speaker 4: of like abuse being done from the elders, and not
Speaker 4: just of a physical and sexual nature, but like of
Speaker 4: a very very like ritualistic nature as well. Yeah, they
Speaker 4: got shut down. I want to say it was like
Speaker 4: around the early two thousands as well.
Speaker 3: Have you had Heidi love On from Unfiltered?
Speaker 2: Heidi is such a homie. We love her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's awesome. Yeah, she's really good with covering not
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure she knows plenty about the fundamentalist
Speaker 3: but just the Mormon Church in general. She's just yeah,
Speaker 3: she's incredible.
Speaker 2: So wild people, man, wild people.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So you know, there's a lot of these cases,
Speaker 3: Like I said, I'll discuss about cases later, you know,
Speaker 3: involving Satanism for instance, like the Hosana church that we
Speaker 3: just mentioned. But I think you know, the argument is,
Speaker 3: you know, whether this exists or doesn't exist. And there's
Speaker 3: a lot of times there's neither evidence that exists or
Speaker 3: it doesn't or there's a lack of evidence which doesn't
Speaker 3: prove it doesn't exist, or an individual isn't guilty, evidence
Speaker 3: may exist that hasn't been found, or any evidence may
Speaker 3: have been thoroughly cleaned up or destroyed. So I mean,
Speaker 3: e CEO. J. Simpson wasn't convicted. Do you really believe
Speaker 3: he was innocent though? Or was there a lack of
Speaker 3: evidence and poor arguments made in everything? You can't you
Speaker 3: can't say you know with him.
Speaker 1: Then goes on to write a book Certainty, then goes
Speaker 1: on to write a book saying this is what would
Speaker 1: happen if I did do it?
Speaker 4: Yes, And for the record, anybody who might still be
Speaker 4: on the fence about oj Please understand that that entire
Speaker 4: situation is used as a case study for new cops
Speaker 4: and new detectives and new lawyers on how not to
Speaker 4: handle evidence because of how poorly it was done, step
Speaker 4: by step by step. It's understood that that was completely
Speaker 4: a conspiracy. But he still got away with it because
Speaker 4: the gavel slammed in double jeopardy means that it was
Speaker 4: done after that. It's like, just in case anybody's unclear,
Speaker 4: he absolutely murdered her, but moving on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, but there would appear to be a general
Speaker 3: consensus among legal professionals I've found within researching that one should.
Speaker 3: They're encouraged just to stick with the strong and important
Speaker 3: evidence in facts of a case, the ones that will
Speaker 3: lead to a conviction. Introducing religion with such controversial beliefs,
Speaker 3: along with having to delve into the topic of what
Speaker 3: freedom of religion consists of, can muddy the waters and
Speaker 3: cause moral ambiguity. Adjectivity could be lost among the jurors.
Speaker 3: These kind of details are often not publicized, and if
Speaker 3: you think about it, you think about Dave McGowan's Program
Speaker 3: to Kill would be a good example. Like everything, there's
Speaker 3: things in that book that we never heard that was
Speaker 3: publicized when these cases were happening, And I think a
Speaker 3: lot of the I found in research that they're often
Speaker 3: encouraged to keep out those aspects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, is the people who don't think it's real.
Speaker 4: There are licensed therapists that have to go through special
Speaker 4: certifications and trainings to be s r A certified Satanic
Speaker 4: ritual abuse certified, because there's that many cases of people
Speaker 4: coming out saying that they or victims of this. If
Speaker 4: there's no credibility to this, why is there actual legal
Speaker 4: certifications to specifically handle that's you know.
Speaker 1: And for the record, just because I was stating what
Speaker 1: I believe about a lot of this stuff, I also
Speaker 1: absolutely believe that there is satanic ritual abuse going on.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it.
Speaker 2: Right for sure.
Speaker 4: But we're not saying that Lord Byron Jester is doing
Speaker 4: these types no hell no, yes.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think you know, there's whether
Speaker 3: you think the call is bad or not, you know,
Speaker 3: that's your own opinion. But I think there's dark practices
Speaker 3: and light practices, a white magic, black magic like, so
Speaker 3: I think you kind of have to look at it
Speaker 3: in that regard as well.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, sin yeah, yeah, for sure. And also, like
Speaker 1: I'll say this, it's not always just the people that
Speaker 1: are practicing the occult or witchcraft or something like that.
Speaker 1: It could be even a religious it could be religiously
Speaker 1: kind of pushed in a sense, right, Like some people
Speaker 1: will say, you know, like like you've seen movies and
Speaker 1: you've seen people doing things in the name of God
Speaker 1: or in the name of Jesus. Meanwhile they're like going
Speaker 1: and shooting somebody up. It's like, like God told me this.
Speaker 1: It's like, why hold on, No, he didn't. You got
Speaker 1: something going on in your head and there's something wrong
Speaker 1: with you. You need to go get checked out.
Speaker 2: You heard a voice, but it wasn't the Almighty Homie,
Speaker 2: I hate to tell you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody wanted somebody pretending to be at least right.
Speaker 3: So, before I started talking about some of the different
Speaker 3: forms of Satanism, I wanted to cover like what non
Speaker 3: theistic and theistic is, because I think this is an
Speaker 3: important element to understanding what type of a Satanist you're
Speaker 3: dealing with. So I'm just going to read a little
Speaker 3: bit about the differences, just so everybody has an understanding
Speaker 3: going in. So, non theistic is a term covering a
Speaker 3: wide range of beliefs, all characterized by lacking belief in
Speaker 3: any God's, rejecting of belief in God's, or deny the
Speaker 3: existence of any gods. A non theist is a non believer.
Speaker 3: The definition of non theist is effectively the same as
Speaker 3: the definition of atheist. The prefixes A and non mean
Speaker 3: exactly the same thing. A negative theism means belief in God.
Speaker 3: Put them together in both words stand for not believing
Speaker 3: in existence of a God or God's.
Speaker 2: Soists that are edgy, yeah, like.
Speaker 3: More more of a symbol, you know, using the symbology
Speaker 3: of satan. So yeah. The Oxford Dictionary defines non theist
Speaker 3: as a person who is not a theist. This is
Speaker 3: the same as a broad general definition of atheists. Two
Speaker 3: labels can be used interchangeably, so we will see both
Speaker 3: types in Satanism. And first I'm gonna I like to
Speaker 3: call this one. Well, first, I would like to say
Speaker 3: the article I got this from I found several years ago.
Speaker 3: Her name is Catherine Byer, and it's title from exploring
Speaker 3: the different branches of Satanism. But the first one is
Speaker 3: react to Satanism. And I like to call this like
Speaker 3: the teenage angst satanism, so it's also known as adolescent Satanism,
Speaker 3: and it refers to groups of individuals who adopt the
Speaker 3: stories of mainstream religion but invert its values. Thus, satan
Speaker 3: is still evil as defined by Christianity, but one to
Speaker 3: be worshiped rather than shund or feared. I think nineteen
Speaker 3: eighties adolescens inverting Christianity with gnostic elements inspired by black
Speaker 3: mental Christian scare, property and a role playing games in
Speaker 3: horror imagery and engaging in petty crimes. So a lot
Speaker 3: of you know, kids back then, you know, dressing in black,
Speaker 3: you know, wearing like, you know, satanic looking apparel, music,
Speaker 3: you know, And it was kind of funny you look
Speaker 3: back at a lot of the music back then, like
Speaker 3: it's not as blatantly satanic as it is today the
Speaker 3: stuff you're seeing today, Like it depended.
Speaker 2: On where you're at.
Speaker 4: If you listen to like Slayer, well yeah, their lyrics,
Speaker 4: it's they're saying exactly what they mean to say. But
Speaker 4: then there were others like, you know, uh, Judas Priest
Speaker 4: another example of like okay, the name alone, ah, Judas Priest, WHOA.
Speaker 4: But then it's like okay, look at what he's talking.
Speaker 2: About breaking the law.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, right, So I like how you're giving that
Speaker 4: distinction between the two. And then the whole metal look
Speaker 4: the emo look, if you will come to find out,
Speaker 4: that's Christian based, that's all based in Catholicism.
Speaker 2: Momenta mori, which is the moment of death and the
Speaker 2: beauty in death, that whole thing is Catholic. All these
Speaker 2: metal vibes. It's crazy, but I see what you're saying here.
Speaker 2: It's like that adolescent.
Speaker 3: Right and right. And then you have the role playing
Speaker 3: games like Dungeon and Dragons like got a huge bad
Speaker 3: name like with you know, and it was just a
Speaker 3: role playing game, but people took it too seriously and
Speaker 3: you know, stories were coming out, like you know, that
Speaker 3: was like satanic and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, these kids rolled that twenty sided die. Next thing,
Speaker 2: you know, the book showed up like bro, no, he
Speaker 2: didn't stop it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. There was a movie. I guess it was a
Speaker 3: TV movie. It was in the eighties. I haven't seen it,
Speaker 3: but Tom Hanks was in it, and it was called
Speaker 3: Monsters in Mazes and it was based off kind of
Speaker 3: the start of how Dungeon and Dragons was getting a
Speaker 3: bad name. I guess, I can't remember what college it was.
Speaker 3: But these kids would go down in the tunnels and
Speaker 3: play like a role playing game. They'd larp and stuff,
Speaker 3: and the story got twisted. But this one kid was
Speaker 3: suicidal and they thought he was down in the tunnels,
Speaker 3: couldn't find him. They found him, like, I think, at
Speaker 3: another family member's house or something, or our friends, and
Speaker 3: he did try to commit suicide. He failed it, but
Speaker 3: later on he was successful. But I can't remember the
Speaker 3: exact details, but that seemed to be the turning point
Speaker 3: where Dungeon and dragons started to get a bad name.
Speaker 3: And then it kind of just, you know, snowballs from there.
Speaker 2: So the culture has shifted, I see what you mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, So okay, So the next one we're going
Speaker 3: to talk about encompasses the Church of Satan and the
Speaker 3: Satanic Satanic Temple. So this would be your non theistic
Speaker 3: but it's also called rationalistic Satanism, and it's the highly
Speaker 3: secularized and atheistic type of Satanism. Founded in the nineteen
Speaker 3: sixties by American author and occultist Anton sand Or Lebay.
Speaker 3: He created the Satanic Bible and formed the Church of Satan.
Speaker 3: The most well known Satanic organization, Lavaine Satanism is atheistic.
Speaker 3: According to Levey, neither God nor Satan are actual beings.
Speaker 3: The only God in Lavine Satanism is a Satanists themselves,
Speaker 3: so again, you know, elevating yourself to the status of
Speaker 3: a god instead. Satan is a symbol representing qualities embraced
Speaker 3: by the Satanist. Satanism, defined by Lebay, is a celebration
Speaker 3: of the self. It encourages people to seek their own truths,
Speaker 3: indulge in desires without fear of social taboos, and perfect
Speaker 3: the self. So and the Satanic temple kind of is,
Speaker 3: you know, along the same lines. They both claim they're
Speaker 3: non theistic, but I have questions naturally, So for instance, well,
Speaker 3: first of all, much of LaVey's Satanism is plagiarized. That's
Speaker 3: come out that Anson LaVey plagiarized a lot of the
Speaker 3: Satanic Bible and his writings. And his daughter, I think
Speaker 3: it was Zena. She left went to the Temple of Set,
Speaker 3: and then she left the Temple of Set started her
Speaker 3: own set. So and she, you know, completely said her
Speaker 3: father was full shit.
Speaker 2: So business though she.
Speaker 3: Right right, So and then so with the Satanic Temple
Speaker 3: and Lucian Greaves. They have a website called the Gray
Speaker 3: Faction and they all mental professional, mental health professionals on
Speaker 3: blasts that work with SRA victims. If you don't believe
Speaker 3: in Satan, why do you kick.
Speaker 4: Right and why would you put on blasts people that
Speaker 4: are helping trauma victims. Wouldn't that be good even by
Speaker 4: your own bullshit brand of humanism Satanism of improving yourself
Speaker 4: and perfecting yourself.
Speaker 3: And but hey, yeah, I mean I had on a
Speaker 3: month or so ago, doctor Colin Ross, and he works
Speaker 3: with trauma victims, the i D victims, this Associated Identity
Speaker 3: disorder and SRA victims, and he's had encounters with Lucian Greaves.
Speaker 3: So like you know, being an ass.
Speaker 1: So wow, this is this is interesting. This this is
Speaker 1: that website. But it says Gray Faction is an educational
Speaker 1: and advocacy organization whose mission is to protect mental health
Speaker 1: patients and their families from dangerous pseudoscience and discredit therapies,
Speaker 1: particularly in the area of so called repressed memories. And
Speaker 1: then it goes on to say, look at this shit, dude.
Speaker 1: It says Gray Faction researches and exposes conspiracy therapists, licensed
Speaker 1: mental health professionals who propagate, debunk Satanic ritual abuse, hysteria,
Speaker 1: and related conspiracy theories. Gray Faction aims to improve the
Speaker 1: mental health field by assisting in eliminating pseudoscience and unfounded conspiracism.
Speaker 1: Conspiracism accomplished by appealing to institutions such as professional licensing
Speaker 1: boards and the American Psychological Association. Conspiracy theories through the
Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and nineties led to irrational fears of the
Speaker 1: existence of Satanic cults that perpetrated horrific crimes. Some licensed
Speaker 1: therapists capitalized on these narratives and exploited their patients by
Speaker 1: pressuring them to confabulate false memories under hypnosis. This era
Speaker 1: of profuse conspiracy, known as the Satanic has left harmful
Speaker 1: roots in our society which still persist today. Damn, they
Speaker 1: don't believe in none of that.
Speaker 2: And we have so many cases of like where it
Speaker 2: actually was come to light, cops had to be involved,
Speaker 2: and like all of this happened where no, no, it
Speaker 2: was in fact Satanic ritual abuse being done. This isn't
Speaker 2: a question, this is an hypothetical caught in the act
Speaker 2: in certain cases. But sure, sure, great faction. Y'all are just.
Speaker 3: Calling out happened all over the world, not just like
Speaker 3: the United States. And there's another you know, like the
Speaker 3: UK's had like convictions and stuff. And the thing is,
Speaker 3: I'm like, looking at this, I'm like, who the fucks
Speaker 3: said you were mental health professionals? How are you to
Speaker 3: determine whether these people are, you know, doing their job
Speaker 3: or what their their practice is, is you know, genuine
Speaker 3: and effective?
Speaker 1: Good point.
Speaker 4: Learn that about Satanists too. They think they are smart
Speaker 4: as shit. They think that they know just what's going on.
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, okay, first of all, take yourself down
Speaker 2: to Pegger two. Okay, I get it.
Speaker 3: I just pushing Greaves just like the way he is.
Speaker 3: He gets under my skin and it's like he got
Speaker 3: he's got that like weird looking eye and stuff. And
Speaker 3: I read something. I forget what happened to the eye,
Speaker 3: but I read at first he didn't like talking about it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, dude, you lost the fucking contact. Just get
Speaker 3: a new pair, Like, come.
Speaker 2: On, I don't want to talk about the eye. Conscious eyes.
Speaker 3: So and the other problem I have and I am
Speaker 3: not taking this from a political angle, but they are
Speaker 3: trying to pass laws for abortion to be a legalized
Speaker 3: ritual for them, and they said, it's an empowerment ritual.
Speaker 3: You know, most women that have to have an abortion,
Speaker 3: they don't go into it thinking, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 3: have an empowerment ritual.
Speaker 1: You know, nobody that parenthood definitely looks at it that way.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's it's whether woman is for or
Speaker 3: against abortion. If she has to have an abortion, it's traumatizing.
Speaker 3: So like, I don't I think I can think of
Speaker 3: plenty of other ways that you can empower yourself. Then
Speaker 3: being like, you know what I'm gonna do make myself
Speaker 3: feel empowered today, I'm gonna go get an abortion.
Speaker 2: See that this, John, I know that's gonna that's that's
Speaker 2: raising a massive red flag for you too. I know
Speaker 2: because we have had multiple guests come on the show
Speaker 2: talking about how these types of Satanic groups will actually
Speaker 2: perform abortions as a part as excuse me, as a
Speaker 2: part of a ritual. Now, we have had a.
Speaker 4: Guest come on saying that at one point in time
Speaker 4: he helped perform somewhere around four hundred abortions.
Speaker 2: For this, I don't know if this is true. And verified.
Speaker 4: We who knows, But my point is that we know
Speaker 4: for sure that groups are doing this for that purpose.
Speaker 4: This Gray Faction is trying to push to make that
Speaker 4: legally a.
Speaker 2: Ritual murdering and unborn for that. Like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: know that it's still a game to some people. It's
Speaker 2: still a metaphor to some people. I don't.
Speaker 3: I think it's the Gray Faction, but it's still the
Speaker 3: Satanic Temple. So but yes, so they're trying to have
Speaker 3: you seen the movie Nefarious, Uh, the one where.
Speaker 2: He's in jail. I saw snippets. I haven't sat and
Speaker 2: watched the whole show.
Speaker 3: Oh you got to see that.
Speaker 2: I've heard. It's amazing.
Speaker 3: It is amazing, and it does abortion in Moloch does
Speaker 3: come up, which is super interesting and stuff. So yes,
Speaker 3: excellent movie. Definitely recommended if you guys haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: You know, for the last episode we did, for the
Speaker 1: six six sixth one we saw there was a video
Speaker 1: back in the eighties where this woman went on to
Speaker 1: Oprah and she was sharing her say, her sra like
Speaker 1: experience and she was saying like, look my family, I
Speaker 1: mean her family was Jewish, but they were parading themselves
Speaker 1: as you know, just very good people, very good Jewish
Speaker 1: people that wouldn't hurt a fly and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. Meanwhile, what's going on inside the house is
Speaker 1: that they're raping their their daughters and the mother and
Speaker 1: everybody else that they can really get their hands on.
Speaker 1: They're raping them. Not so much because they're just perverts.
Speaker 1: It's more so they I want to impregnate these people.
Speaker 1: That way they can sacrifice the babies and possibly harvest
Speaker 1: the organs. But this woman was talking about she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been raped so many times. I've you know, I've
Speaker 1: I've had to I've had to even eat parts of
Speaker 1: my baby. And you hear that, like that's that's sick,
Speaker 1: and it's discussing. But it's more than just one case, Like.
Speaker 4: It's it's crazy as a real thing, dude, absolutely, for
Speaker 4: they're breeding farms for this purpose, right, It's.
Speaker 2: It's discusseding island. Was probably she was Jewish. There's going
Speaker 2: to be people that throw it out. Oh well, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like, yo, would you listen to what she's saying,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean?
Speaker 1: I would venture to say it was probably.
Speaker 3: It's the same thing they were hiding behind Christianity, like
Speaker 3: you know, I mean the perfect place for like people
Speaker 3: to be hiding behind would be Judaism or Islam or something,
Speaker 3: because you know, those are very very very protected nowadays,
Speaker 3: more so than some other religions. And I'm not going
Speaker 3: to get into a political debate about that, but I
Speaker 3: feel like there's some that are much more off limits
Speaker 3: than others, like for people to attack or to criticize.
Speaker 1: Oh, if you even say anything about the Jews, you're
Speaker 1: an anti semi. That's how protected they are. It is crazy,
Speaker 1: the level of like protection it is. And it's not
Speaker 1: even just in this country or in Israel, it's literally worldwide.
Speaker 1: They're talking about up in Where was that that we
Speaker 1: just read that Either they're about to pass a bill
Speaker 1: or they already did to where if you say anything
Speaker 1: anti Semitic, they can just send you to jail. And
Speaker 1: so that that's the level of protection that there is.
Speaker 1: New York, California, some bullshit like that. Maybe Oregon, Washington.
Speaker 2: I think it might be Cali. Actually, how did you
Speaker 2: say that?
Speaker 3: Oh, Jonathan, Yeah, I forgot to tell you. On short
Speaker 3: tangent here, my great grandparents were occultist. They were Theosophists.
Speaker 3: And if you know anything about theosophy, Polina Blovotski, yes Leblaski.
Speaker 3: So that was pre World War two and they started
Speaker 3: using the swastika in theosophy. Now this was before the
Speaker 3: Nazi's got a hold of it or anything. So my grandpa,
Speaker 3: he was orphaned at the age I think it was
Speaker 3: thirteen or fifteen. And I do have this on my
Speaker 3: Instagram and my extra Twitter page, a video of it.
Speaker 3: When they died, his family came and cleared out the house.
Speaker 3: They wanted nothing to do with him, and he became
Speaker 3: a ward of the state. He found a black book
Speaker 3: underneath their bed, his parents' bed, that his family took
Speaker 3: away from him. They said it was like the Devil's
Speaker 3: book or something, but he did find I think my
Speaker 3: mom said it was found on a floorboard. It was
Speaker 3: a locket and it had his mother's maiden name initial,
Speaker 3: so it was before she was married to his father.
Speaker 3: And my grandpa was born in nineteen twenty seven. He
Speaker 3: fought in World War two, so this shows you it's
Speaker 3: before World War two. So on the inside of the
Speaker 3: locket there was the picture of the great grandma, great grandpa,
Speaker 3: and on the back it's a swasika and black stones.
Speaker 4: But that's a Hindu in Eastern symbol of all of
Speaker 4: the good and virtue things.
Speaker 3: Right right, so and it also you also know that
Speaker 3: it wasn't if you know what you're talking about. When
Speaker 3: it comes to the swastika and stuff, the Nazis they
Speaker 3: tilted it counterclockwise. This is sitting flush. So but yeah,
Speaker 3: like it was weird. My family went, we knew it
Speaker 3: was a Hindu symbol, but had I not started researching
Speaker 3: into the cult, we would have never known that they
Speaker 3: were Theosophists.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, there's there's power in all symbols, and
Speaker 1: it's the way I look at symbols. I'mna be real
Speaker 1: with you. I think that, and you can see it
Speaker 1: all throughout Christianity and Satanism. That symbolism is. It's powerful.
Speaker 1: And I honestly see all symbols as the force. I
Speaker 1: know that sounds corny or whatever, like from Star Wars.
Speaker 1: I think that it is the force. It's a force,
Speaker 1: like you know you can a force.
Speaker 2: I like that you can.
Speaker 3: Take charging a sigil almost exactly.
Speaker 1: So, like you already know that the cross has a
Speaker 1: lot of power. There's a lot of people that that
Speaker 1: that you know, believe in that, that have died for that,
Speaker 1: for their beliefs and everything, so you'd already know that
Speaker 1: that thing is powered up. So if you wanted to
Speaker 1: take that and give it the old reciprocal and turn
Speaker 1: that bad boy upside down like, there's still gonna be
Speaker 1: power in it. Which is why I believe that the
Speaker 1: if there is a devil, if there is Satan, it
Speaker 1: would be using an upside down cross. That that checks
Speaker 1: out to me, you know.
Speaker 3: But what's funny about the upside down cross, and I
Speaker 3: think this is the joke on Satanist. The upside down
Speaker 3: cross was the cross of Peter.
Speaker 2: Peter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he asked to be crucified upside down because he
Speaker 3: didn't think he was worthy enough to be crucified right
Speaker 3: side up like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: So technically his bones that they now built the Vatican
Speaker 2: because they found his allegedly found the skeleton underneath Nero
Speaker 2: Circus which is now the Vatican, and he had cut
Speaker 2: the feet cut off because they had to hurry up
Speaker 2: and cut him off the cross before his body was
Speaker 2: drugg through the streets. It's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's almost like they're using a symbol that's
Speaker 3: saying I'm not worthy like Jesus Christ, so chokes on them.
Speaker 3: And speaking of the Vatican, I have a lot of
Speaker 3: research on the Vatican, and I know a lot of
Speaker 3: I have many Catholic friends and family, and I love
Speaker 3: them dearly. But going down these rabbit holes, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of religious syncretism and you see a lot of
Speaker 3: paganism that was you know, adopted into the Catholic Church.
Speaker 3: So that's another interesting topic for another day though.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I mean even just going back to
Speaker 1: you know, the the fifteen, the sixteen, seventeen hundreds, it
Speaker 1: was trying to get everybody to convert to Christianity, so
Speaker 1: you would you would like take certain modalities of paganism
Speaker 1: and you'd be like, look, we got that too. You
Speaker 1: can still celebrate on December twenty fifth. We'll just say
Speaker 1: that it was Jesus' birthday. You know, you you celebrate
Speaker 1: from whatever you want.
Speaker 3: It was Saturnalia and Sol Invictus and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Jesus was supposedly probably born around like September because the
Speaker 3: shepherds wouldn't have been in the fields with their flocks
Speaker 3: at night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've heard September eleventh. Some people suggest that it
Speaker 1: was possibly September eleventh, and other people will actually say
Speaker 1: that it was April Fool's Day and like April first,
Speaker 1: and that's why they're leave it to America to take
Speaker 1: Jesus' birthday and say you're a fool on this day, right, right, right, right?
Speaker 2: Could be I don't know, we know for sure, somewhere
Speaker 2: between spring and fall, but we'd certainly know it was
Speaker 2: not winter, that's yeah.
Speaker 3: So I mean we know that Antonommbay was very much
Speaker 3: a showman and everything very theatrical. I think he even
Speaker 3: like worked in the circus before he got to where
Speaker 3: he was at. But I heard something that was interesting
Speaker 3: and I didn't know and I'm not gonna I don't
Speaker 3: know why opening my windows on my computer starts slowing
Speaker 3: everything else down. But there's something. Do you guys know
Speaker 3: what Mando films are. They're like, you know, many Faces
Speaker 3: of Death and all like they kind of exploit humanity
Speaker 3: in certain ways and stuff like that. So there cinitly
Speaker 3: with the Long Island serial killer Rex Humorman. He was
Speaker 3: into some really weird sick shit and so is his daughter,
Speaker 3: and they were talking about how like she like all
Speaker 3: the art she was posting and stuff like of cannibalism
Speaker 3: and everything. I didn't even know. There is a pornography
Speaker 3: called hardbore, which is cannibal like cannibalism pornography. I know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's called hard.
Speaker 2: Wore b o r e ye hard bore. And then
Speaker 2: there's another one for but we're not gonna go there.
Speaker 2: Let's just say this.
Speaker 4: The dark Web is real, and if you can imagine it,
Speaker 4: there's a porn about it. And that's as deep and
Speaker 4: as dark as your imagination is willing to let you go.
Speaker 2: And I promise you it's even deeper than that.
Speaker 1: Dude, you want to you want me to fuck you
Speaker 1: up here for I'm sorry, not fuck you up, but
Speaker 1: fuck Jacob. I'll just I'd just like to give you
Speaker 1: this information, but I'm married. I can't do that. I'm
Speaker 1: just but there was all right, cool, cool, Uh there's this.
Speaker 1: I just learned about this today and it was you
Speaker 1: know how little kids they'll get on you know, the
Speaker 1: tablet or their parents' phones or whatever, and they'll just
Speaker 1: start kind of like doom scrolling across reels, whether it's
Speaker 1: Facebook or or YouTube or TikTok or whatever, right, Well,
Speaker 1: and what they did was supposedly there is this group
Speaker 1: of people that found all of these horrific things that
Speaker 1: were being done on the dark web, right, like ritualistic
Speaker 1: killings and murder, like satanic shit, right, And what they
Speaker 1: did was is that they like pumped that video information
Speaker 1: into an AI, and that AI created that same exact
Speaker 1: scene with minions, and it's like the little kids are
Speaker 1: watching it on minuons and it's just like these minions
Speaker 1: are just like fucking each other and they're killing each
Speaker 1: other and they're chopping body parts off and all this
Speaker 1: crazy stuff. But it's showing up on the kid's algorithm.
Speaker 1: So that was actually a show that I thought about doing,
Speaker 1: like as a side hustle, or not a side hustle,
Speaker 1: but like a side show, like a little tangent that
Speaker 1: we would do. But I don't know. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to mention that because I feel like that kind of
Speaker 1: pertains what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Dude, AI is absolutely in that same ballpark, because now
Speaker 4: it's gonna be like, Oh, don't worry, that's that's not
Speaker 4: a child porn, that's just an AI image. It's not real.
Speaker 4: It's a computer image. You see what I'm saying. It's like, oh, oh,
Speaker 4: so where do we let that line blur? Oh, it's
Speaker 4: not a snuff film. That's not an actual snuff film.
Speaker 4: It's minions gutting each other. Like, no, no, where where
Speaker 4: do we draw that line?
Speaker 1: Dude? It is sick, like the things that people get
Speaker 1: off to, like and especially giving those videos to kids.
Speaker 1: It's like like.
Speaker 3: I just look at the stuff that's you know, been
Speaker 3: you know, thrown at us that's considered art, like Marina
Speaker 3: Abramovich stuff like yeah, and I found even some more
Speaker 3: like horrific art like that makes her looks tame. But
Speaker 3: people get away with it because.
Speaker 2: It's art exactly, because who can tell what the limits
Speaker 2: of artistic expression are. And it's like no, no, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll be that asshole.
Speaker 1: That's the We've talked about it before, Like the art
Speaker 1: that's in John Podesta's house, right, like the weird shit
Speaker 1: that's being re enacted. The scorpion. It was a Dahmer thing,
Speaker 1: wasn't it.
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, the arch the back, Yeah, it's a capitated head.
Speaker 3: I mean that's something I would love to have in
Speaker 3: my house, hanging above you know, my stairs.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you know.
Speaker 2: Didn't Michael Jackson have a Hitler statue or something like
Speaker 2: that too, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Oh there was like a shrine to Hitler, I thought,
Speaker 1: or something crazy, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again, that's that's what we need in our homes.
Speaker 3: Well, Dahmer was building a Satanic altered like well, he
Speaker 3: had like layouts or blueprints and stuff like that. He
Speaker 3: was going to make, you know, out of bones. But
Speaker 3: that doesn't get publicized very often. But that was a real.
Speaker 2: Thing because that leads more credence to the whole Satanism thing,
Speaker 2: which like, oh, well he's not really Yeah.
Speaker 3: And he was obsessed with The Exorcist three so and.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. Was there something specific about that
Speaker 2: that's dom or esque.
Speaker 3: I don't know that he If you watched the Netflix series,
Speaker 3: it showed he would watch it like, you know, consistently
Speaker 3: and obsessively, and you know, his victims saw he'd sit
Speaker 3: and rock back and forth and watch it like real weird,
Speaker 3: real weird shit. Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: So to the point we're making earlier, the the internet
Speaker 4: is a horrible place if you allow it to be.
Speaker 4: AI is absolutely fire that people don't necessarily always know
Speaker 4: what they're playing with as far as that goes, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and uh yeah, the.
Speaker 2: SRA things are real and they are really out there.
Speaker 3: So why bring this up with Rex Humor's daughter and him?
Speaker 3: They found in the house a book it was called
Speaker 3: it's called Death Scenes, a homicide detective scrapbook by Jack Huddleston,
Speaker 3: and I think it came out like in the forties
Speaker 3: and it's all these pictures this detective like compiled together
Speaker 3: of like these perfic mutilated like homicide, you know, victims
Speaker 3: of homicide, body or whatever. So and the attorney that
Speaker 3: was talking about it that's representing the victims said, this
Speaker 3: is a book that's kind of big within like the
Speaker 3: Satanic community, and I'm like, that's weird, like okay. So
Speaker 3: and then I found out that there was a Mondo
Speaker 3: film created about it and Anson Levey actually narrated it,
Speaker 3: which would make sense why the book became a big thing.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: But the film was Death Scenes by a film by
Speaker 3: Nick Bogas bou Gas and Levey narrated it. So that
Speaker 3: again that just shows like a really dark nature that's
Speaker 3: underlying all of this. So wow. Yeah, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: surface level or when you get higher up, who knows.
Speaker 3: I mean, but it does seem like there's things, even
Speaker 3: with these non theistic or rationalistic Satanists that don't quite
Speaker 3: add up right right.
Speaker 1: And for anybody that's wondering, you know what all encompasses
Speaker 1: a mondo film, I'm just going to read it off
Speaker 1: a Wikipedia how they describe it, because I actually never
Speaker 1: heard of that term before you here, did I? Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it says Mondo film is a subgenre of exploitive
Speaker 1: documentary films. Many Mondo films are made in a way
Speaker 1: to resemble a pseudo documentary, and usually depicting sensational topics, senses,
Speaker 1: or situations. Common traits of mondo films include portrayals of
Speaker 1: foreign cultures which have drawn accusations to ethnocentrism or racism,
Speaker 1: an emphasis on taboo subjects such as death and sex,
Speaker 1: and stage sequences presented as genuine documentary footage. Over time,
Speaker 1: the films have placed increasing emphasis on footage of the
Speaker 1: dead and dying, both real and fake. The term mondo
Speaker 1: is Italian for world, and the term shockumentary is also
Speaker 1: used to describe the genre shockumentary.
Speaker 3: Wow, okay, yeah, it was something I had never heard
Speaker 3: of either. I was like, man, I can learn it.
Speaker 3: There's like pornography called Harbore about cannibalism, and there's these
Speaker 3: mondo films and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Jesus, people are just fucked up, man.
Speaker 4: I mean, you gotta and I need to be that
Speaker 4: guy to bring up something horrible. But like again, the
Speaker 4: duggers brought them up earlier. You could look at the
Speaker 4: oldest brother.
Speaker 2: The type of horrible material that he was looking up
Speaker 2: was the mutilation of six months and younger infants. That's
Speaker 2: what he was getting off to.
Speaker 4: And I don't Yeah, and again your imagination can go
Speaker 4: into what you want as far as what mutilation means,
Speaker 4: but like, yeah, it's it is horrible, and there's some
Speaker 4: there's some sick fuck out there that's trying to say
Speaker 4: that was an artistic expression. And at that point, I
Speaker 4: call that person unhuman and should be skull dragged.
Speaker 2: That's just me.
Speaker 3: Yep, No, one hundred percent agree, one hundred percent agree.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just things don't add up when they
Speaker 3: claim they're non theistic with some of the behavior and
Speaker 3: beliefs they have that say differently.
Speaker 1: So and also like the term non theistic, but calling
Speaker 1: yourself a god, can you even be atheistic if you're
Speaker 1: calling yourself a god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point. That's another good point, you know,
Speaker 3: Like it's just like things just aren't adding up.
Speaker 1: That Satanists are so silly mm hmm and retarded.
Speaker 2: They don't make sense. They're retarded. They're not silly, Like
Speaker 2: that's just dumb.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna see if I can open this real
Speaker 3: quick without like my internet going crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But again, that's like the non Theis Satanists right now.
Speaker 2: I personally may have my own opinions about.
Speaker 4: The worshippers of the dark Lord type of Satanists, but like,
Speaker 4: at least the pieces can put I could put them
Speaker 4: together in my head, I at least can see why
Speaker 4: one plus one would equal to I might question why
Speaker 4: they started doing that math in the first place, and
Speaker 4: like that is a conversation I want to have, right,
Speaker 4: But at least I get what their goal is and
Speaker 4: I understand who and what they're talking to, and I
Speaker 4: get it. The non Theis Satanist types, I've never understood it.
Speaker 4: Just call yourself a humanist, just.
Speaker 2: Calling you know, I don't know, edgy angsty little humanist.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, dude. And going back to Dahmer, because I feel
Speaker 1: like I had heard that he was into that Exorcist,
Speaker 1: like in the the I didn't know it was the
Speaker 1: third one, but it says that he watched it two
Speaker 1: to three times a week for six straight months. And
Speaker 1: and the person that got away the member, because there
Speaker 1: was one person in the series anyway that got away.
Speaker 1: It says the man Dahmer tried to kill, who ended
Speaker 1: up escaping and persuading skeptical police to go to Dahmer's
Speaker 1: terrible smelling apartment, testified at Dahmer's trial in nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: two that Dahmer did indeed force him to watch The
Speaker 1: Exorcist three. So wow, like getting ready to prime your
Speaker 1: meat and you want that meat to Oh, that's fucked up.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen The Exorcist three myself, but I know
Speaker 3: the demon in it is called Gemini, so I do know.
Speaker 1: A little two face Yeah, so interesting, weird shit.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've never seen those because I I love
Speaker 4: horror movies, but I love the slasher films, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, the the stuff that is based in
Speaker 4: actual Satanism or based on true stories thereof. And Da
Speaker 4: da da and I can't fuck with it because I
Speaker 4: believe that that shit actually does carry a spirit of
Speaker 4: that type of stuff with it, and with my past
Speaker 4: and everything.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I acknowledge it's real.
Speaker 4: I don't need to watch it for some sort of weird,
Speaker 4: twisted entertainment. I'd rather watch Jason next. Just slice motherfucker.
Speaker 4: That's good shit.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what.
Speaker 3: Creeped me out? And I saw it after I'd listened
Speaker 3: to podcasts, you know, do you cult it was Eyes
Speaker 3: Wide Shut? Oh yeah, creeps me out, knowing what I
Speaker 3: know now, and the fact that they insinuated child trafficking
Speaker 3: in it makes me wonder if the cut footage actually
Speaker 3: you know, went more into in depth into that.
Speaker 2: There's people that came out and the diddy shit came
Speaker 2: out that Eyes Wide Shut movies got a little different
Speaker 2: taste in a lot of people's mouths these days.
Speaker 1: Well, there's people that say that that was Kubrick's way
Speaker 1: of whistleblowing and because he ended up dying right after that, and.
Speaker 2: They cut out twenty seven minutes of the movie, the
Speaker 2: final cut as missing damn near was I was either
Speaker 2: seventeen or twenty seven something like that. But a huge
Speaker 2: chunk and it's gone. No one knows about what was
Speaker 2: in it.
Speaker 4: The actors that acted in it apparently will never speak
Speaker 4: on it or they keep playing this.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, who can tell, you know, it's a movie.
Speaker 2: Who knows which one you're talking about.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of open minded, third eye, all
Speaker 4: the way open people that would say that that might
Speaker 4: have been a very critical seventeen to twenty seven minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Leu leive Sovietski's character in it, like you
Speaker 3: don't you don't hear her say, but if you have
Speaker 3: close caption on, she tells Tom Cruise in the costume
Speaker 3: shop he needs an ermine cloak, insinuating she's been there.
Speaker 3: And then she had those customers that she was entertaining
Speaker 3: behind her dad's back, which he got mad about, probably
Speaker 3: because he wanted to profit, not her. And then at
Speaker 3: the end and you have their daughter being going off
Speaker 3: with the two men at the beginning of the movie
Speaker 3: that we're at the Christmas party. So you know, for me,
Speaker 3: that seems like they were insinuating. And I really do
Speaker 3: feel like some of that missing footage probably you know,
Speaker 3: you know, gave further credence.
Speaker 2: To that or show what might have gone happened next.
Speaker 3: In that run exactly. And when I have doctor Colin
Speaker 3: ross on he was on Sam's show, and I know
Speaker 3: Sam wanted like a like a concrete answer about like
Speaker 3: satanic Ritchell Brusin He's like, you know, you know, we
Speaker 3: can't say it does or it doesn't because we haven't
Speaker 3: had a strong enough evidence or whatever to say. But
Speaker 3: he's like, I have I treat victims. I work with victims,
Speaker 3: you know, And he said he definitely think Epstein was
Speaker 3: involved in a cult between that temple and like that
Speaker 3: kind of like labyrinth looking in his New Mexico Zora
Speaker 3: ranch yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and and also you know, not a lot
Speaker 1: of people talk about it, but there was tunnels underneath
Speaker 1: Epscene island, like under his house. There were tunnels down there.
Speaker 1: I've heard right, right, And so who knows what he was.
Speaker 3: Looking tennis court like that that was really suspicious. And
Speaker 3: then how it looked on I was looking at it
Speaker 3: like before and after, and it like had like these
Speaker 3: high mound walls around it, and then like it looked
Speaker 3: worked on Google Earth like something like seemed to be
Speaker 3: like covered up there or something like don't don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't I'll never understand how they can just get
Speaker 1: away with blurring shit out on Google Earth, you know,
Speaker 1: like I mean, yeah, it's Google, but who is paying Google?
Speaker 1: Is Google doing it on their own terms? You know,
Speaker 1: like that stuff that gets like blurred out, It's like
Speaker 1: it's just so sketchy, dude.
Speaker 3: And you were talking about us earlier and everything. When
Speaker 3: I was I was probably six or seven, like, we
Speaker 3: would go visit my grandparents every summer in Tennessee and
Speaker 3: they lived they lived on the border of like Western
Speaker 3: Tennessee and North Carolina. And we went to Vanderbilt Biltmore
Speaker 3: Estate in was it ash ash ash, North Carolina. Yeah, so,
Speaker 3: and I remember in there and we went down into
Speaker 3: the pool area and I was only, like I said,
Speaker 3: six or seven. It creeped me out. I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is weird. And then the fire alarm went off and
Speaker 3: it like really freaked me out. And I always thought
Speaker 3: that pool was weird. And then you know they've made
Speaker 3: taught like you know the connection that that one art
Speaker 3: depiction looks like Anderson Cooper in the pool at the
Speaker 3: Biltmore estate and it's weird because like the pool is
Speaker 3: in a basement and they like had to, like, you know,
Speaker 3: bring water, and how do you drain it? Though I couldn't.
Speaker 3: There's no drain to list day, and I'm still trying
Speaker 3: to find like how it drains.
Speaker 2: Do you have to pump it out? Like you have
Speaker 2: to have a pump at ground level and pump it
Speaker 2: out to like the sewer.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's okay, it's weird. And who puts a pool
Speaker 3: in a basement?
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm trying to think because I've seen movies
Speaker 4: where they have like, oh, the old pool in the basement,
Speaker 4: and that seems to be a thing. But like, unless
Speaker 4: you're built on a hill or like in a mountain,
Speaker 4: maybe I could I could see that maybe they had
Speaker 4: to drain out.
Speaker 2: But like even still, I kind of always thought that
Speaker 2: was just like a movie trope. I never, uh, what
Speaker 2: was that one?
Speaker 4: All right, y'all ever seen It's a Wonderful Life? Yes,
Speaker 4: all right, it's the Christmas Time movie and if you know,
Speaker 4: Mary belated Christmas to everybody. But there's a scene where
Speaker 4: they're dancing in the school gym and the gym floor
Speaker 4: opens up and there's a.
Speaker 2: Pool undernea the war and all the stuff. They're very
Speaker 2: young and whatever. But I'm thinking, like, first of all,
Speaker 2: this is based in the thirties or the twenties, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, what high school gymnasium had a basketball court
Speaker 2: that floor could move out to an Olympic sized swimming pool?
Speaker 2: Was that just a thing the high school's had back then?
Speaker 2: And it's like, I'm not sure if that's right, but
Speaker 2: that's what I'm saying. I don't know how much of that.
Speaker 2: The pool in the basement is like a movie thing
Speaker 2: versus a real thing. So I'm with you on this, right.
Speaker 3: Right, right. So the next I'm going to talk about
Speaker 3: is theistic or esoteric Satanism, and we're going to talk
Speaker 3: about the Temple of Set because they kind of fall
Speaker 3: on this. And I'm going to read two things about
Speaker 3: the Temple set to give people a general understanding, because
Speaker 3: i think both descriptions help give you the idea of
Speaker 3: what the Temple set was about, which is Michael Achino.
Speaker 3: Me y'all know about Michael Aquino and his you know,
Speaker 3: high ranking in the army and the psychological warfare and
Speaker 3: then the presidio and the child abuse allegation, which one
Speaker 3: of those things like you know, he might not have
Speaker 3: been convicted, but that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty, so right,
Speaker 3: So in nineteen seventy four, Michael Aquino, a member of
Speaker 3: the hierarchy of the Church of Satan, and Lilith Sinclair,
Speaker 3: a group leader or a grot up master, broke away
Speaker 3: from the Church of Satanon on philosophical grounds and formed
Speaker 3: the splinter group Temple Set. So I do know that
Speaker 3: Aquino left the Church of Satan because he kind of
Speaker 3: started seeing it like as a running joke and Tom
Speaker 3: mvay was a showman. He was interested in making money.
Speaker 3: People could then buy their you know, to level up
Speaker 3: in the Church of Satan, and he wasn't cool with that.
Speaker 3: So he's like, I'm out this. This is more you know,
Speaker 3: theatrical and paying for your level isn't cool. So he
Speaker 3: moved on and formed the Temple of Set and the
Speaker 3: resulting theistic Satanism practitioners recognized the existence of one or
Speaker 3: more supernatural beings. The major god, viewed as a father
Speaker 3: or older brother, is often called Satan, but some groups
Speaker 3: identify the leader as a version of the ancient Egyptian
Speaker 3: god Set. Set is a spiritual entity based on the
Speaker 3: ancient Egyptian notion of expert translated as self improvement or
Speaker 3: self creation. Regardless of the being or beings in charge,
Speaker 3: none of them resemble the Christian Satan. Instead, they are
Speaker 3: beings which have the same general qualities as the symbolic Satan, sexuality, pleasure, strength,
Speaker 3: and rebellion against Western moors. So that's the first one,
Speaker 3: and then the second one I want to touch on
Speaker 3: briefly because I feel like this really does tie it
Speaker 3: all together, is that the attemple Set was established in
Speaker 3: the United States in nineteen seventy five by A Quino
Speaker 3: and he was an American political scientist, military officer, and
Speaker 3: a high ranking member of Antline Leavey's Churches Satan, which
Speaker 3: we just covered. Dissatisfied with the direction in which Leavey
Speaker 3: he was taking the church, Aquino design and, according his
Speaker 3: own claim, embarked on a ritual to invoke Satan, who
Speaker 3: revealed to him a sacred text called the Book of
Speaker 3: Coming forth by Night. According to Aquino, in this work,
Speaker 3: Satan revealed his true name to that of Set, which
Speaker 3: had been the name used by his followers in ancient Egypt.
Speaker 3: Aquino is joined in establishing the temple by a number
Speaker 3: of other dissatisfied members of Avey's Church, and seeing various
Speaker 3: Stepthian groups were established across the United States. Settin's believed
Speaker 3: that set is the one real God and that he
Speaker 3: has aided humanity by giving them a questioning intellect the
Speaker 3: quote black flame unquote, which distinguishes them from other animal species.
Speaker 3: Seta is held in high esteem as a teacher whose
Speaker 3: example is to be emulated, but he is not worshiped
Speaker 3: as a deity. Highly individualistic in basis, the temple promotes
Speaker 3: the idea that practitioners should seek self deification, seeing this
Speaker 3: three occurring theme of you know, become a god, yourself
Speaker 3: and self de vacation and thus attain an immortality of consciousness.
Speaker 3: Setings believe in the existence of magic as a force
Speaker 3: which can be manipulated through ritual However, the nature of
Speaker 3: these rituals is not prescribed by the Temple. Specifically, a
Speaker 3: quinot describes Setin practices as black magic, a term which
Speaker 3: he defines idiosyncretistically. So again it seems like whoa, he's
Speaker 3: not Satan, but he kind of is, And we don't
Speaker 3: really worship him, but we kind of do, and we're
Speaker 3: into like making ourselves gods and everything. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, I mean he went and summoned Satan, he said,
Speaker 3: and he said, Set is Satan. So it's it's all condoluted.
Speaker 2: As normal, very much.
Speaker 4: The Egyptian pantheon of gods is very interesting, uh set
Speaker 4: If for those of y'all who don't know, he and
Speaker 4: his uncle Horace got into it one day and long
Speaker 4: story short, he ejaculated on some cabbage. His uncle ate it,
Speaker 4: which gave him power over him, and from that spawned
Speaker 4: a crown which Tooth wears on his head. Egyptian theology
Speaker 4: is a very wild wild ride if you ever actually
Speaker 4: look into the stories of the gods.
Speaker 3: Right, you know. And what I found interesting that Henche
Speaker 3: was Are you familiar with Himmler's castle Woolfsburg, where Himmler
Speaker 3: andar Kimmler was super into the occult. There is a
Speaker 3: ceremonial crypt ritual room in the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well they allowed a kino to do a ritual down.
Speaker 2: There, really in the room with the black sun on
Speaker 2: the floor. Yes, wow, So.
Speaker 3: To me that speaks you know, he obviously had high
Speaker 3: regard for the Nazis, so that would be.
Speaker 2: The Nazis had very high regard for or the occult.
Speaker 2: So I think that's that's the door that swings both ways,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Rice exactly. But I also wondering, you know, was he
Speaker 3: you know, into the whole Aryan race ideology with that.
Speaker 4: It could be because I'm they also, and I don't believe.
Speaker 4: I know, there's certain people when I say the word Pleadian,
Speaker 4: They're gonna get offended when I say this. I don't
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about those Fleadians. But the Nazis did
Speaker 4: believe in the Aryan race coming from the Pleiades, and
Speaker 4: that was a whole thing.
Speaker 2: And that's this.
Speaker 4: Rhetoric of the Pleiadian aliens that the Nazis were talking
Speaker 4: to and the occult. Between all of that and the
Speaker 4: there's so many connections that were being made. The early
Speaker 4: nineteen hundreds are kind of wild as far as the theoretical, theological.
Speaker 2: And occult conversations go. I mean, in the same fifty
Speaker 2: year span we had Crowley Blovatsky.
Speaker 4: What's that dude from Ireland that wrote all that shit.
Speaker 4: He was big with the Oteo and the Hermetic Order
Speaker 4: of the Golden Down. I'm drawing a blank at the moment,
Speaker 4: but all that happened at the same time when.
Speaker 3: That specialist movement, the big big.
Speaker 4: Spiritualist movements were going on, some of them on the
Speaker 4: positive side, some of them to the mass genocide sign but.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, exactly so. But and then you know, as
Speaker 3: I said, you know a Qino was tied to Presidio,
Speaker 3: and then he has also been tied to the Franklin
Speaker 3: cover up and scandal.
Speaker 2: So go a little bit more on that. One expound
Speaker 2: upon this.
Speaker 3: So somehow, and I can't I can't name the exact details,
Speaker 3: but he supposedly was involved in Iran Contra and Iran
Speaker 3: Contra had some ties with the Franklin scandal. But Paul Bonacci,
Speaker 3: a victim of the Franklin scandal, said he had seen
Speaker 3: a Kino and that a Quino. Yeah, so there's been
Speaker 3: ties there. And what's crazy is this goes so deep.
Speaker 3: I so I started investigating researching pink ballets, which do
Speaker 3: you guys know pink ballets are like they were pretty
Speaker 3: much child abuse sex parties over in Europe and stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I did an episode covering the first one I had
Speaker 3: come across, which happened in France.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the where they had the portrait
Speaker 1: where they have all the little kids in the pink
Speaker 1: ballet slippers on the checkerboard floors.
Speaker 3: So they got the name because they were girls sent
Speaker 3: into entertain in a lot of times like miners. They
Speaker 3: would entertain with dancing and stuff. But that all you know,
Speaker 3: finished in you know, them being abused. So they were
Speaker 3: it was kind of like a pink Ballet's was a
Speaker 3: code name. So but Mark Dutrow do you know who
Speaker 3: Mark Dutrou is?
Speaker 2: The ring the book?
Speaker 3: Okay, in Belgium, he was the monster of Belgium. He
Speaker 3: adopted girls and he tried to tell on like he
Speaker 3: was supplying the girls to like these elites and stuff,
Speaker 3: these parties and even like the entire country of Belgium
Speaker 3: came out in the White March to protest. The streets
Speaker 3: were filled because there was so much corruption already happening
Speaker 3: in the case and stuff and it's it's a whole
Speaker 3: whole story or whatever. And there were ties to the
Speaker 3: what was called the Braxis cult, you know, and a
Speaker 3: braxis yeah. So in this call that they supposedly were
Speaker 3: rated by police and it's some articles say stuff was
Speaker 3: found and other articles say stuff wasn't found. But before dude, trow,
Speaker 3: this goes so much further back, and it's with these
Speaker 3: pink ballets and everything.
Speaker 2: But when I trow, do you know about what your
Speaker 2: frame we're talking about?
Speaker 3: Tree was nineteen ninety six, ninety seven. Yeah, that happened.
Speaker 3: So but what's interesting is when I was researching it
Speaker 3: and stuff, I saw i Ran Contra come up, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, isn't that funny? Because Iran Contra goes
Speaker 3: back to a Keino and goes back to Franklin scandal.
Speaker 3: So it's it's weird.
Speaker 2: And I just that Reagan would make his way into
Speaker 2: the conversation, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean it just and then I'm trying
Speaker 3: to think, hey, I guess let's see. Have you heard
Speaker 3: of that Ronald have you Ronald Bernard, the Dutch banker.
Speaker 3: Have you seen him talk about how he made it
Speaker 3: so high up and everything and he got invited to
Speaker 3: these like you know, eyes wide chet parties and then
Speaker 3: children got involved, and he he broke and he left,
Speaker 3: you know, his high paying job and everything.
Speaker 2: Robert Bruce, you said, Robert Bernard Bernard, No, I haven't
Speaker 2: seen this. There's videos of him speaking on this, Yes, yes.
Speaker 3: Is it Robertard? Yeah, I think it's Bernard. I'll have
Speaker 3: to double check on that. I think for some right
Speaker 3: now I'm drawing a blank. But many people get confused
Speaker 3: and they look him up because they see some one
Speaker 3: who died like in Florida, and they think it's him.
Speaker 3: As it's not him. It's a different Ronald Bernard. That's
Speaker 3: what it is. I'm just like, Robert doesn't sound right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So, I mean, and he he looks either he's
Speaker 5: a really great actor or I mean you can see
Speaker 5: genuine emotion.
Speaker 3: He starts crying and stuff. So, but he talks about
Speaker 3: how these parties and stuff like.
Speaker 4: So the thing I always have with these people that
Speaker 4: come forward and talk about these things, and people will say.
Speaker 2: Oh, well they're fake, they're they're actor whatever. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: some of them, maybe I'll give you that. But especially
Speaker 2: when you're talking about somebody who was at like the
Speaker 2: top of their game, right, somebody who was a big
Speaker 2: big time banker, big time, a professional musician, big time
Speaker 2: like something, where like they were already doing well and
Speaker 2: then coming forward actually hurts their career. They're not gaining
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like, do you think they're being
Speaker 2: paid off to take the hit, right, and like that's
Speaker 2: they made the money so good that like his grandchildren
Speaker 2: will be ashamed of this, but the money was good enough.
Speaker 2: Like I just I have a hard time believing.
Speaker 3: That, you know, yeah, yeah, I don't think he can
Speaker 3: like discredit everybody, just like with the you know quote
Speaker 3: satanic panic. You know, I'm sure there was hoaxes in that.
Speaker 3: I'm sure there was, but I'm also sure that there were,
Speaker 3: like you know, it's like to truth and a lie,
Speaker 3: you know, like and if you have you know one
Speaker 3: in there, like that's a lie or you know was
Speaker 3: wrong or is a hoax, then everybody throw the baby
Speaker 3: out with the bathwater.
Speaker 2: To that point, I quick quick side tangent.
Speaker 4: I just recently, as of two days ago, discovered a
Speaker 4: hoax of a satanic thing that took place in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 4: So I'm not going to drop names of who the
Speaker 4: guilty parties were because that's not good. But basically, two
Speaker 4: people decided that they wanted to have a barbecue, and
Speaker 4: they were being really dumb and decided to go cattle
Speaker 4: rustling and just to a random cat field and just
Speaker 4: stole a cow that they could fit and carry, because
Speaker 4: that's a really smart thing to do.
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, in Louisiana, you could.
Speaker 4: Still be hung for cattle rustling, like there's no law
Speaker 4: protecting you. They go to Highland Road Park in Baton Rouge.
Speaker 4: They hang up this small cow like they're hanging up
Speaker 4: a deer, and they skin it and they cleaned, and
Speaker 4: they had a barbecue the next day and they left
Speaker 4: the skin, the guts of head, all of this. And
Speaker 4: it was in the mid to you know, late eighties,
Speaker 4: so or actually not, I think about it be the
Speaker 4: early to mid eighties, so Satanic panic was a thing.
Speaker 4: And you know, there may or may not have been
Speaker 4: a story ran in a paper about some possible Satanists
Speaker 4: slaughtering cows and sacrifice in Baton Rouge that actually was
Speaker 4: just two drunk, broke idiots that.
Speaker 2: Just stole a cow. I don't know, y'all, But there
Speaker 2: are some hoaxes in the mix. But that doesn't, like
Speaker 2: you said, that doesn't take away from the guaranteed, confirmed
Speaker 2: stories and these victims and these advocates that come out
Speaker 2: later and say, no, this happened. Here's my scars, here's
Speaker 2: my credentials, here's my story. Here's the names and the
Speaker 2: people and the places and the money, and then for
Speaker 2: some reason all that gets blasted and shut down.
Speaker 3: M M yep, and it's like you have one false
Speaker 3: story or narrative then everything's just completely debunked and everything.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's the unfortunate thing about it is you know,
Speaker 3: everybody else gets discredited when you know there's obviously people
Speaker 3: out there likely telling the truth. So for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh and the same goes for like magic and witchcraft
Speaker 1: and all that stuff in general, even like psychics and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. There are one hundred percent real psychics
Speaker 1: out there, like there's no doubt about that. But you
Speaker 1: got there's always gonna be scammers, Like I'm sorry, if
Speaker 1: you go down to Bourbon Street and somebody offers you
Speaker 1: a terror reading, you probably shouldn't take it because they're
Speaker 1: just gonna take your money.
Speaker 4: And if you're watching a medium on television, I hate
Speaker 4: to break it to you, they're probably not actually a psychic.
Speaker 4: Just like if you see a magician on TV, I
Speaker 4: hate to break it to you, that is not real magic.
Speaker 4: It's an illusion. It is entertainment, and it's wonderful for
Speaker 4: that purpose. But that's TV for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, David Blaine's great, but that's not magic with a K.
Speaker 1: And that's long Nyland medium is a charming woman. I
Speaker 1: don't believe she's communicating with your dead grandma.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: Have you seen The Dead Files? What do you guys
Speaker 3: think about that? Like where the detective and the medium
Speaker 3: like Investigator House.
Speaker 4: I think that that is an interesting TV show. Like
Speaker 4: the show psych actually did that exact same thing, except
Speaker 4: he was very open well, I mean in the show
Speaker 4: about him being a fake. I think that's you know,
Speaker 4: if one out of one hundred cases, this psychic actually
Speaker 4: had something that led to the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fine, sure.
Speaker 4: I personally, if I had a family member die and
Speaker 4: a psychic showed up to the house to try to
Speaker 4: help me find out who did it, I would be
Speaker 4: pretty fucking pissed off that my tax dollars are being
Speaker 4: used in such ways. But you know that my tax
Speaker 4: dollars are being used in really stupid fucking ways anyway.
Speaker 4: So I mean, who am I to really start shitty
Speaker 4: on you?
Speaker 2: You know whatever?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and I agree with that. I think
Speaker 3: there's some authentic and there's some non authentic. Like when
Speaker 3: I talked about my dad when he was a kid
Speaker 3: in their house being haunted. They didn't know because at
Speaker 3: the time and some states don't have laws that were
Speaker 3: required to disclose someone died in the home. So he
Speaker 3: a woman. My grandma had a bridge club and a
Speaker 3: woman came in and she said, you have a presence here,
Speaker 3: and my grandma grandma didn't tell her, but she cleaned
Speaker 3: the house like it was Poldergeist or something like, you know,
Speaker 3: the little lady from.
Speaker 2: Pouldergeist clubs and bikino clubs. You gotta watch some old
Speaker 2: ladies due.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But another example of that would be, like I
Speaker 3: am not psychic or anything like that, but I have
Speaker 3: had dreams or premonitions before. They don't happen often, but
Speaker 3: I can't explain it. So if I'm like having these once,
Speaker 3: it's in every great while, Like I can't just credit
Speaker 3: like people actually like having these things readily, right, So
Speaker 3: you know, it's just like anything today, you just got
Speaker 3: to watch out like for what's you know, genuine and
Speaker 3: authentic and what's not. Just like where you get your news.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's a big one. You know, you can't
Speaker 1: be just trusting old Fox or CNN. You know, it's
Speaker 1: that mainstream media is dying, and anybody that's still watching it,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: It's in the shitter, bro CNN twenty years ago was
Speaker 2: seen as like the source it.
Speaker 4: Joe Rogan has more activity on a random throwaway on
Speaker 4: a guess that you've never heard of before than CNN
Speaker 4: has during like a presidential debate. I'm just saying, like,
Speaker 4: that's it's time to pack it in legacy media, it's over.
Speaker 2: It's cool. You had a good run.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And it's independent research, you know, like podcasters
Speaker 3: who who are you know, getting down to the nitty
Speaker 3: gritty details like that are being omitted from the new
Speaker 3: the news or you know, narratives changed or facts you know, excluded.
Speaker 3: Like it's crazy, like I you can't trust mainstream media
Speaker 3: and like what is it? Six corporations owns all all
Speaker 3: media outlets.
Speaker 1: Oh, some people watch the news and they literally see
Speaker 1: it as gospel. It's like, oh, well this happened, you
Speaker 1: know Bob Anderson Cooper told me, or you know, any
Speaker 1: of the crazies on there, whoever. I mean, even look,
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna listen to There's not one singular
Speaker 1: person that I'm gonna watch on any news channel and
Speaker 1: be like news might be fake, but this guy he's
Speaker 1: on it. No, Like, get that out of your mind too,
Speaker 1: Like there is no one good source.
Speaker 3: Mm hm, yep, exactly, and stop stop acting like the
Speaker 3: politicians are your fucking savior.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 4: There's no good guys here. There's none to be found,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: No, I mean, at the end of the day, I
Speaker 3: think they're all being you know, puppeteered by people we
Speaker 3: don't even know.
Speaker 4: I'm hopeful for the future. I'm hopeful for this newer,
Speaker 4: younger generation of possible political people. I don't even call
Speaker 4: them politicians just yet because they're only like one or
Speaker 4: two terms in and they still got that like that
Speaker 4: ambition in them haven't been bought out yet. I'm hopeful
Speaker 4: that this younger group can stay the course.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, it's way too early
Speaker 2: to tell. And money really does talk history history on
Speaker 2: their side.
Speaker 3: It's expensive, like to run for office, Like, no one
Speaker 3: can just run for office. You have to have money
Speaker 3: backing you.
Speaker 4: I just a guy I watch just ran for congressman
Speaker 4: in his district in Texas. He spent not personally donations
Speaker 4: and things ten million dollars for a three month run
Speaker 4: and his opponents outspent him by like another ten million.
Speaker 4: And shit, politics is expensive, but that also means that
Speaker 4: politics makes money.
Speaker 3: Yes, hundred percent. Yeah, And I truly think we're not
Speaker 3: even a democracy. I think we're a oligarchy now, Like
Speaker 3: I just.
Speaker 4: I don't know where we're drifting ever closer to it.
Speaker 4: I want to believe that at least we're not. You can't. Yes,
Speaker 4: you can buy your political position, but it's not in
Speaker 4: so facto like direct link. There's like other ways you're
Speaker 4: going about it, but it is the same. You see
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, We're getting closer.
Speaker 3: We need terms on office on all other.
Speaker 2: Offices, all offices.
Speaker 3: Like I don't understand why that's not.
Speaker 4: A thing Supreme Court justices, for instance. Am I the
Speaker 4: bad guy for thinking term limits on that.
Speaker 2: Is a good thing?
Speaker 4: If the law is supposed to be never changing and
Speaker 4: all these things, and they are supposed to be the
Speaker 4: unequivocable the word of the law of the land. So
Speaker 4: what you're saying is that a judge by any other
Speaker 4: name should have is because you know, justice is blind,
Speaker 4: shouldn't matter the day and age, so if we did
Speaker 4: put term limits on Supreme Court justices, the intent should be.
Speaker 2: Done, But somehow that doesn't happen. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: That's all a club to me too, like that, like
Speaker 1: the way that they study law. We've talked about it,
Speaker 1: Black Slow Dictionary. There's a certain level of mind that
Speaker 1: these people have and the certain level of understanding that
Speaker 1: they have that you know, a young up and comer,
Speaker 1: not very well versed in that hasn't had a lot
Speaker 1: of experience to be able to deal with certain cases
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So I mean not to say
Speaker 1: that it's right not to say that, you know, people
Speaker 1: within the Supreme Court should just live there until they die,
Speaker 1: which I think is kind of absurd personally, But like
Speaker 1: you know, I get it. If you're trying to control
Speaker 1: and fool the rest of the masses, that's what you
Speaker 1: would do, right, Like you would keep those same people
Speaker 1: in power. You wouldn't want them to come out out
Speaker 1: of power, like, especially if they're upholding these you know,
Speaker 1: just sketchy law. And I don't know, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that go on within the justice system that
Speaker 1: really isn't fair. There is not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: actual justice going on, and it just seems like people
Speaker 1: have found ways to gain the system anyway.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So, anyway, so I don't know why we went off
Speaker 1: on that tangent.
Speaker 3: I call them side quests. I tend to go on
Speaker 3: side quest and down rabbit holes and then like how
Speaker 3: did I get here?
Speaker 4: Like it, we are talking about the contras, you're talking
Speaker 4: about Regoo.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so the Marketer trouth thing like it, you know,
Speaker 3: just is you know, these tentacles that seem to go
Speaker 3: all throughout the world and it's all connected. I've actually
Speaker 3: wanted to kind of like try to do a spreadsheet
Speaker 3: of all these names and all these you know, uh,
Speaker 3: human child trafficking organizations and stuff, and seeing to where
Speaker 3: like names connect and stuff throughout throughout.
Speaker 4: The world, especially with the rituals. Like look, okay, Epstein
Speaker 4: Island itself. We know foreshore, what was going on on
Speaker 4: the island, We know what the principle of it was.
Speaker 4: Gotcha the fact that there was a temple on the island,
Speaker 4: Like what so the pedophile doesn't miss a Sunday mass. No,
Speaker 4: that wasn't a church.
Speaker 2: That was a temple, a pagan temple at that which
Speaker 2: and maybe a Satanic temple I don't know, but the
Speaker 2: fact that there was a temple on the Pedophile Island,
Speaker 2: it really doesn't take much to Aukham's razor that to
Speaker 2: see what was going down, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: No, And they tried to pass it off as like
Speaker 3: a music studio or something like that, piano or something
Speaker 3: like but there was no like piano, Like I don't
Speaker 3: even know if there's a penu in there. I know
Speaker 3: they were talking about like there was cots in there
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet there was, I bet there was.
Speaker 3: But anyway, Yeah, So the next next I'm want to
Speaker 3: cover Luciferians. So, and Luciferians see themselves as a separate
Speaker 3: branch of Satanism, which combines elements of rational and theistic forms.
Speaker 3: It is largely a theistic branch, although there are some
Speaker 3: who see Satan known as Lucifer as symbolic rather than
Speaker 3: an actual being. Luciferians used term lucifer in its literal sense.
Speaker 3: The name means light bringer or bearer in Latin. Rather
Speaker 3: than being a figure of challenge, rebellion, and sensuality, Lucifer
Speaker 3: is seen as a creature of enlightenment. The one who
Speaker 3: brings light out of the darkness. Practitioners embrace the seeking
Speaker 3: of knowledge, delving into the darkness of mystery and coming
Speaker 3: out better for it. Think Adam and Eve or Prometheus.
Speaker 3: They stress the balance of light and dark and that
Speaker 3: each depends upon the other. While Satanism revels in physical
Speaker 3: existence and Christianity focuses more on spirituality, Luciferians see their
Speaker 3: religion as one that seeks the balance of both, that
Speaker 3: human existence is an intersection of the two.
Speaker 4: So it's more like your Freemasons that when they get
Speaker 4: to the top, they're seeking the light, and then they
Speaker 4: when they go to the thirty third, they have to
Speaker 4: acknowledge that they are serving lucifer They're not serving Satan,
Speaker 4: They're not serving the devil. They have to use that
Speaker 4: word beaming light bearer. So this is more of a
Speaker 4: Luciferian cult, yes, so.
Speaker 3: And Luciferians they look at the serpent in the garden feeding,
Speaker 3: which I think translates to the cash as being a
Speaker 3: liberator giving knowledge to human beings. And the God was
Speaker 3: an oppressor and so we were liberated through him. And
Speaker 3: so it's very it coincides with the Prometheus story where
Speaker 3: Prometheus gave mankind fire against the pantheon God's wishes. So
Speaker 3: and I think for a lot of people, I'm surprised
Speaker 3: Luciferianism isn't more popular because it seems almost like this
Speaker 3: romantic twist on it, especially if individuals who have had
Speaker 3: bad experiences with religion. Like I know a lot of
Speaker 3: people who are like raised in the Catholic churches and
Speaker 3: now they're atheists. But I could see someone that maybe
Speaker 3: had you know, a bad run with a Abrahamic faith
Speaker 3: finding something attractive about the Luciferian you know, religion or
Speaker 3: type of Satanism.
Speaker 4: I think they may dissuade them because it's called Luciferianism,
Speaker 4: and like like you said, when you break it down,
Speaker 4: it's more like the quest of knowledge, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. And they see Lucifer as the knowledge bearer
Speaker 4: of the knowledge Bringer, the giver Name your thing, right,
Speaker 4: and so right off the bat, there's multiple gods of
Speaker 4: multiple pantheons that did similar things for the humans, right, Toth, Hermes, Mercury,
Speaker 4: and on and on and on.
Speaker 2: Name your flavor right.
Speaker 4: So that being said, it's like, okay, the knowledge Bringer
Speaker 4: and these people that left traditional Judeo Christian faiths and
Speaker 4: are more in the realm of seeking the forbidden knowledge,
Speaker 4: forbidden truths and stuff. I feel like if they were
Speaker 4: to call themselves Luciferian, then they would be acknowledging what
Speaker 4: they left because of the name brand.
Speaker 2: It's like a bad branding thing, you know.
Speaker 1: Sure, And I feel like there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: This is just my own personal opinion on it, but
Speaker 1: I think that you know, people back in the sixties, seventies, eighties,
Speaker 1: probably even into the nineties, you know, there there wasn't
Speaker 1: really a whole lot of knowledge on you know, like
Speaker 1: religions outside of Christianity, especially within the United States, And
Speaker 1: so if you were to turn your back on Christianity,
Speaker 1: you would turn to something like that, even if you
Speaker 1: were just being you know, like I don't even know
Speaker 1: what the term would be for that, but you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, but you would just would you would
Speaker 1: be the counterpart to it. And because you know, the
Speaker 1: Christianity wronged you, and you know, they don't accept gays
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be, right, it was always
Speaker 1: like a contrarian kind of point or stance rather and
Speaker 1: I think that most people nowadays, and I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I have never knowingly met a Luciferian. I've never knowingly
Speaker 1: a meta Satanist, because I think that nobody's really going
Speaker 1: towards the contrarian point of view whenever it comes to,
Speaker 1: you know, anything spiritual, Like if you grew up in
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church. How many people have we talked to
Speaker 1: here that we've talked to, talk to them that they
Speaker 1: grew up in the Catholic Church or in this church
Speaker 1: or that church, and they've you know, something bad happened
Speaker 1: to them. There was one instance, there was one thing
Speaker 1: that they got wronged or whatever, and so now they're
Speaker 1: turning their back on it. You're not seeing those people
Speaker 1: convert to Luciferianism. They're more so probably just converting to
Speaker 1: the overall like term of like spirituality. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: that's what I've seen anyway.
Speaker 4: So you're saying, like back in the day, it was
Speaker 4: more of a lack of other options, and I'm oversimplifying it,
Speaker 4: but more or less it was like, well, if it's
Speaker 4: not this, then it might be this. But I could
Speaker 4: see that to a degree, And it's not like every
Speaker 4: single person walking and talking new the ins and outs
Speaker 4: of Hinduism in America in the eighties and ninety witch.
Speaker 1: And you're also talking to creep your knowledge. Yeah you're
Speaker 1: talking pre internet though, But.
Speaker 3: You know, even the libraries, I don't know, like unless
Speaker 3: you went to like a huge like maybe university library
Speaker 3: or something like, I don't know what type of how
Speaker 3: vast or you know, books on ac cult practices would be.
Speaker 3: It's almost I think you would have to go to
Speaker 3: like a New Age store, which back then you only
Speaker 3: would find in like the big cities.
Speaker 1: True, yeah, well yeah, and I think that ultimately it's
Speaker 1: kind of the same on the other side as well,
Speaker 1: Whereas you know, the people who are diehard Christians, and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying now, but definitely back then, they would
Speaker 1: see anything that was counter to whatever they believed. It
Speaker 1: was Satanism, it was Luciferian. You know, if you were
Speaker 1: playing with tarot cars, you may as well be having
Speaker 1: a full on breakfast in bed with satan you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, right right? And it was it was
Speaker 1: always anything that was counter to what you believed. That's
Speaker 1: what That's what I grew up around. Now, I didn't
Speaker 1: grow up in a religious household or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I had a lot of friends that did, and
Speaker 1: that's that that was their experience. Like and the same
Speaker 1: thing with the whole the Harry Potter situation. Like I
Speaker 1: remember thinking how ridiculous this is whenever I was in school,
Speaker 1: because I think the first Harry Potter movie came out
Speaker 1: whenever I was in sixth grade, and we read the
Speaker 1: book and we went to go watch the movie and
Speaker 1: it was awesome. But I remember there were certain kids
Speaker 1: in my class that weren't allowed to go see it,
Speaker 1: and I was like, it's Harry Potter, what what's But
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up in that religious households. I didn't
Speaker 1: really have any contacts with it, right, But there were
Speaker 1: people who were like totally against Harry Potter because it
Speaker 1: was witchcraft, and it was it was this, it was
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: Yeah, come to find out, she got the spells from
Speaker 4: the Grim Wars, So the words these kids are using
Speaker 4: to make magic happen are actual spells based in Satanism
Speaker 4: in the dark load or so she has she had
Speaker 4: the Bible belt, moms had had a point where.
Speaker 3: She has on her arms so of Coagula, which is
Speaker 3: on Baphomet, which is the you know breakdown and build
Speaker 3: up like kind of concept. And they also talk about
Speaker 3: the hand of Glory in Harry Potter, which is very
Speaker 3: much in a cult a cult item and spell. So
Speaker 3: now would I go if if I had my own children,
Speaker 3: when I go as far to say, like, you can't
Speaker 3: watch that, no, but clearly there is some authentic occult
Speaker 3: items and practices in Harry Potter, So.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, trust me, I don't. I don't blame Christians,
Speaker 1: like if that is your belief that, like, if you're
Speaker 1: if you're going to sit there and believe the Bible
Speaker 1: and believe God for his word and Jesus as the
Speaker 1: Savior and everything, of course, I don't think that you
Speaker 1: should be like, oh, well, that's kind of a gray area. No,
Speaker 1: it's either black or it's white in that kind of scenario, right, Like,
Speaker 1: because you never know, dude, how many people that are
Speaker 1: practicing magic and witchcraft. Maybe maybe Harry Potter was a gateway,
Speaker 1: like think about that, you know, like in a weird way.
Speaker 3: True.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Donnie Darko probably did more as far
Speaker 4: as a gateway to people digging into the occult in
Speaker 4: the dark magic, But I don't know, I could be
Speaker 4: wrong to your point, Yeah, there was probably some kids
Speaker 4: that were like, wait a minute, spells and potions and
Speaker 4: this and this is the stuff we could learn there may.
Speaker 3: Very focus Pocus is another one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very true, very true.
Speaker 1: Jacob didn't like the second one. I loved it.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 2: The story of the second one was great.
Speaker 4: There was no need for the forced LGBTQ element op
Speaker 4: QRSTUV group in the movie. There was no need for it.
Speaker 4: It didn't add to the movie. It was an unneeded distraction.
Speaker 4: And then you could see it the twenty five year
Speaker 4: reunion bash that they did for hocus Pocus, the entire
Speaker 4: thing was just a big gay pride thing. So it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: so you did that on purpose, Thank you for ruining
Speaker 4: a portion of my child.
Speaker 1: I think I know why, though. It's I think that
Speaker 1: it's more of that contrarian kind of mentality the people
Speaker 1: that you know, wanted to neglect Christianity or they're just
Speaker 1: the church or religion or whatever in general that they
Speaker 1: they found themselves, especially the lgbt Not to say that,
Speaker 1: I mean, we watched that video of the transgender pastor
Speaker 1: or whatever the fuck he was the other day, but
Speaker 1: like you could see how people like of that ideology
Speaker 1: would try and stick themselves to witchcraft and magic because hey,
Speaker 1: there's no rules over here saying that you can't be
Speaker 1: gay or you can't be a transgender or whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, But hocus Pocus was because that was that fat,
Speaker 2: ugly bitch that runs Disney and makes everything fake gay,
Speaker 2: and Lane and Cartman did a whole thing South Park
Speaker 2: did it bring me check in and make it gay?
Speaker 2: And Lane remember that it was that chick whoever was
Speaker 2: running Disney up until recently, was trying to just everything
Speaker 2: had to suck, Everything had to be really bad made
Speaker 2: and had to have gay references top to bottom. Look
Speaker 2: the new Star Wars and it's a fucking mess. Anyway.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it's interesting with Hogus Park. You know,
Speaker 3: they kind of had the adreno chrome concept. And then
Speaker 3: also I haven't seen it. It's on my list to watch,
Speaker 3: but I think it's what is it Doctor Sleep? Stephen
Speaker 3: King's Doctor Sleep, which is like the uh sequel to
Speaker 3: The Shining. Oh oh yeah, it's about Oh what's the
Speaker 3: kid's name in The Shining? I can't remember his name?
Speaker 3: He's an adult, yeah, this movie, and he is helping
Speaker 3: a girl who has abilities and this group of Uh,
Speaker 3: I don't know what they are go out to suck
Speaker 3: the life force out of these special children who have abilities.
Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know there was a sequel to The
Speaker 2: Shining This is new?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about Danny Torrance in the movie. His
Speaker 1: name is Danny Lloyd in real life. Okay, so he's
Speaker 1: in that new one. Then, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: Not it's not new, but it came out later. I
Speaker 3: think I think it came out in the two thousand sometimes,
Speaker 3: but I don't know when. But it's been on my
Speaker 3: you know, watch list.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, you know, I really don't watch a
Speaker 1: lot of that like creepy kind of shit like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just not my taste personally, not
Speaker 1: that anything, I have anything against it. And by the way, Jacob,
Speaker 1: I used to think that you were like kind of
Speaker 1: m crazy, a little crazy, maybe a little weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: I still believe I'm a weird fucking guy. But no, like,
Speaker 1: because you've referenced about how you like you won't watch
Speaker 1: any of those kind of like Exorcist kind of movies
Speaker 1: because you think that it invites into your house. I
Speaker 1: think you're actually on some ship there, and.
Speaker 2: I know I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to experiences was after I watch one
Speaker 4: of these movies. I know for me personally, it invites
Speaker 4: it in I can't speak on behalf of everybody.
Speaker 3: With books, like I won't let you know because I
Speaker 3: do investigate a call. There's certain books that will never
Speaker 3: be in my house. So with books and like that,
Speaker 3: like you know, God love people like William Ramsay who
Speaker 3: like investigates like Alistair Crole and stuff like that, because
Speaker 3: one of those books is not coming in my house.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, And that's the thing. I don't judge people
Speaker 4: who do watch that type of material. That's fine. People
Speaker 4: find whatever they find entertainment wise. But me personally though, bro.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because they take it apart. And that's the thing.
Speaker 4: There has to be people to do that, right, there's
Speaker 4: people that are that don't have the same experiences that
Speaker 4: I have, that are able to watch it for that purpose.
Speaker 4: I know that I have eyes to see that shit,
Speaker 4: and I know that I have seen it and experienced
Speaker 4: it before, So actively opening the door does in fact
Speaker 4: open the doors.
Speaker 3: And if it's something really like creeping scary, I'm like,
Speaker 3: make my friends or my neighbors watch it with me.
Speaker 3: I like it. There's a point like where it gets
Speaker 3: too dark. I'm like, no, not watching this by myself.
Speaker 1: No, can I ask you, Jacob me say that?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 1: Well, why do I believe that?
Speaker 6: Now?
Speaker 2: What made you shift?
Speaker 4: I'm not like trying to have be smug about it,
Speaker 4: but I'm genuinely curious what made you?
Speaker 2: What brought this on?
Speaker 1: You know, I think that and y'an know me, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm just a little weird over here, but I think
Speaker 1: that to quote who was it that said this, I
Speaker 1: think it was Philip Cooper, the guy that wrote The
Speaker 1: Magician where he says that basically the universe is mental,
Speaker 1: Like I think that literally everything has uh it feeds
Speaker 1: off of our mind in a say, because I think
Speaker 1: that the universe itself is one giant mind. And so
Speaker 1: I think that if you're I don't want to go
Speaker 1: into like you're inviting it into your home or an.
Speaker 1: I think that you're inviting that information into your mind
Speaker 1: and then it is now like playing because you think
Speaker 1: about your subconscious mind. It's one of the most power
Speaker 1: full fucking things that is out there. Dude. Like it
Speaker 1: the way that it filters information and helps you retain
Speaker 1: certain things and helps you erase certain things. And if
Speaker 1: you if if if these movies have some kind of
Speaker 1: like uh mental effect on you, like if they really
Speaker 1: scarred you. I think that that that that information will
Speaker 1: kind of lie dormant within your subconscious and anytime you
Speaker 1: have anytime you're scared, or you're fearful, or maybe you
Speaker 1: have a sleep paralysis or something like that and you
Speaker 1: elicit that kind of fear, it's going to go right
Speaker 1: into the chamber where you have that fear like treasure
Speaker 1: bucket or basket or whatever in the back of your mind.
Speaker 1: And I think that it unlocks it because it associates
Speaker 1: the two as the same. And so like whenever you
Speaker 1: whenever you are fearful, well, it's gonna trigger what what
Speaker 1: is it that made me fearful? Because of subconscious mind
Speaker 1: it doesn't know. It's just helping you remember, right, And
Speaker 1: so I think that that's how it works personally. I
Speaker 1: don't think that it's opening up some kind of satanic realm.
Speaker 1: I think that.
Speaker 3: Some the trauma responds to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I think. I think. So, and so
Speaker 1: I I do like hypnosis and past life aggressions and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So I'm fascinated with how the mind
Speaker 1: works and and the subconscious mind and all that. And
Speaker 1: that's my way of breaking that down anyway, how I
Speaker 1: understand it.
Speaker 2: I'll put it like this, dude, I'll tell you the
Speaker 2: movie that did it. And I know that it is
Speaker 2: just a.
Speaker 4: Movie because I recognize one of the actresses in it,
Speaker 4: and I know she's an actress, and like, I know
Speaker 4: this is not real.
Speaker 2: Any of that Paranormal Activity too, that was the movie.
Speaker 2: Read from it.
Speaker 4: I recognize her from Sons of Anarchy, Like, I know,
Speaker 4: there's no it's it's not real.
Speaker 2: It's not real.
Speaker 4: Like I'm aware, I'm a grown man. Okay, when that
Speaker 4: movie came, Wait.
Speaker 1: Which person from Sons of Anarchy?
Speaker 4: Opie's wife? She was the mom in the Paranormal Activity.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right, I remember that now.
Speaker 2: Okay, she got killed off of Son's of Anarchy. And
Speaker 2: then I think, and I don't know the actress's name.
Speaker 4: She's a phenomenal actress, but she got picked up for
Speaker 4: that role pretty soon after that, as a matter of fact,
Speaker 4: when she got killed off of SOA.
Speaker 2: But uh, I couldn't wait. That's my point. I knew
Speaker 2: it was. I knew it was fake, and I knew
Speaker 2: it was just yeah, it's recovered footage. It's like Cloverfield.
Speaker 2: It's not really, it's like in Night Shyamalan shit. But
Speaker 2: that opened the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, dude, I could never forgive Tig
Speaker 1: after that. Ever since that happened, I was like, fuck
Speaker 1: Tig forever from Sons of Anarchy.
Speaker 2: I kind of had a soft spot for him after
Speaker 2: he washed his daughter get burned alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that brought it back.
Speaker 2: Yea, he has done some horrible shit.
Speaker 4: That's retribution for whatever horrible shit was about to be said.
Speaker 4: I'm you know, as a man, as a father, Tig's
Speaker 4: never gonna be the same sense. Then he ends up
Speaker 4: with a tranny, which, like you know, at this point,
Speaker 4: Tig's just doing what he can to stay up right.
Speaker 2: Okay, let the man do what he's got to do
Speaker 2: to get off right.
Speaker 1: But but getting back to your movie, So that was
Speaker 1: something that it had an effec on your mind, right,
Speaker 1: Like it scared the shit out of you whenever you
Speaker 1: watched it, Like in the time, do you remember when
Speaker 1: you were watching it and you were like, oh fuck.
Speaker 1: It was there like an oh fuck moment in that
Speaker 1: movie for.
Speaker 2: You, No, it was. The movie was fine. I watched it.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. Actually, I thought it was uh you know.
Speaker 2: They had the jump scare moments, did their job and
Speaker 2: the whole and this creepiness factor and the whole nine.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a great movie.
Speaker 4: And then I got home and then I went to bed,
Speaker 4: and then I had an experience and I have never
Speaker 4: in my life, Jonathan, you know, I don't dream.
Speaker 2: This is not a new thing. I've never woke up
Speaker 2: screaming before in my life.
Speaker 1: So, I mean this movie had to have come out
Speaker 1: when you were like in your twenties.
Speaker 2: I was in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 4: Yes, okay, so once again, I'm not like fearful of
Speaker 4: the big bad man in my closet.
Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, this is not who I was
Speaker 2: at this time. I was a fucking grunt, okay.
Speaker 4: And I was watching a paranormal activity with an actor
Speaker 4: like I know where I'm at and what's going on.
Speaker 4: That opened the door, right, those kickstarted the next four
Speaker 4: years of that interaction.
Speaker 1: Dude, Those movies can absolutely be a trigger. And that's
Speaker 1: actually something that they say is that you're dude, all right,
Speaker 1: So whenever you're watching TV, and this is really the
Speaker 1: trick behind TV in the first place. There is never
Speaker 1: going to be a moment that if you're watching TV
Speaker 1: for sixty seconds or longer, you're going to fall into
Speaker 1: a light trance known as the alpha state. That's just
Speaker 1: like the brain wave state that's going on within your mind.
Speaker 1: So and whenever it comes to movies, your subconscious mind
Speaker 1: does not know the difference between a movie and reality.
Speaker 1: So whenever you're dialed in and you have those jump scares, well,
Speaker 1: I thought that you were just watching a TV. You're
Speaker 1: clearly sitting on your couch. You're not really in danger.
Speaker 1: Why are you jumping, right, Because that's your subconscious like
Speaker 1: trigger right there. That's like trying to keep you like
Speaker 1: it's like a it's like an animalistic like instinct within
Speaker 1: you that you know, like it's you think about the
Speaker 1: evolution of humanity. Like all throughout time, there hasn't been
Speaker 1: movies up until like the last one hundred years, one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years, whatever it is, right, And so
Speaker 1: you would never have you would never come across a
Speaker 1: situation where you were watching something so realistic that literally
Speaker 1: your mind would kind of like just be hypnotized by
Speaker 1: it and it would simulate an actual reality in your mind, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so it makes sense that like that movie would
Speaker 1: trigger you though on some shit.
Speaker 4: And that was right around the time that me and
Speaker 4: my ex wife miscarried, which is around the time when
Speaker 4: I lost my faith and whenever I really started seeing
Speaker 4: the demon everywhere I looked. And you know, it was
Speaker 4: it was not a very positive time in my life.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be very honest with you. But again, I
Speaker 2: look back on it, and that's mostly because of my
Speaker 2: own decisions and because of the choices that I made
Speaker 2: and the words that I said, and the all of
Speaker 2: the feelings that I had within that I was projecting outwards.
Speaker 2: And I was basically a homing beacon for that motherfucker.
Speaker 2: And I mean he was feeding off of me, because
Speaker 2: that's what they do. They feed off of fear, but
Speaker 2: they also feed off depression, they feed off of angst,
Speaker 2: they feed off of anger.
Speaker 1: Like, Oh, that's real, that's real stuff, dude. Like it.
Speaker 1: It manifests itself one way or another. If you don't
Speaker 1: deal with it, it's going to find a way to
Speaker 1: be dealt with, you know. Yep, that's anyway I didn't
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that to like get all inner personal side.
Speaker 3: Quests are great, Like I love it, so I do
Speaker 3: it myself quite often awesome. And now I have my
Speaker 3: dad saying it stuff. He's like, what do you call
Speaker 3: these again? I'm like, side quests?
Speaker 2: Look, because we're eighty d kids, let's be honest.
Speaker 3: Yes, now one, So the next one I'm going to
Speaker 3: talk about. You guys are probably familiar with. It's the
Speaker 3: process to the Final Judgment. Gets familiar with that one, like.
Speaker 4: I've heard of it, but also with what we do.
Speaker 4: We hear so many alongside.
Speaker 3: Yes, so Sun Sam David Berkowitz supposedly in on to
Speaker 3: meyr Park, you know, they were killing shepherd dogs and
Speaker 3: German Shepherd's particular particularly, and Berkowitz was in this cult
Speaker 3: that supposedly was an offshoot of the Process Church or
Speaker 3: the Final Judgment. So but so they're also known just
Speaker 3: as the Processed Church and their religious group established in
Speaker 3: London of nineteen sixties by two people who were ejected
Speaker 3: from the Church of Scientology. How do you get ejected
Speaker 3: from the Church of Scientology?
Speaker 2: You don't pay time hide.
Speaker 3: From the seventies show was convicted and din't even get
Speaker 3: disowned from Scientology.
Speaker 2: That's called that point.
Speaker 4: But he paid his dues to Tom Cruise and that's
Speaker 4: all that really matters.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, the hide God kicked out Scientology.
Speaker 2: No, I got convicted of being a pedophile and he's
Speaker 2: still a member of the church.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, I didn't know. I didn't even know he
Speaker 1: was a part of that.
Speaker 3: Maeah.
Speaker 2: A lot of Hollywood people are, whether they want to
Speaker 2: say it out loud or not, it's pretty wild, right.
Speaker 3: So together, Mary Ann McLean and Robert D. Kernston developed
Speaker 3: their own practices based on a pantheon of four gods
Speaker 3: known as the Great Gods of the Universe. The four
Speaker 3: are Jehovah, Lucifer, Satan, and Christ, and none are evil. Instead,
Speaker 3: each exemplifies different patterns of human existence. Each member selects
Speaker 3: one or two of the four that is closest to
Speaker 3: their own personality.
Speaker 4: So so Jesus and Christ are separate entity or excuse me,
Speaker 4: Jehovah and Christ are separate into okay, I'm with you,
Speaker 4: with you, and then we have Satan and Lucifer separate
Speaker 4: entities okay, which.
Speaker 3: Kind of like takes like the whole concept of you know,
Speaker 3: when you look at the yeah, that's like the like
Speaker 3: with Satanism, like you know, yeah, kind of like you
Speaker 3: know both, it's weird.
Speaker 4: This is Ying Yang with more steps, Okay, So okay, next,
Speaker 4: I mean I don't dislike that as a theory though,
Speaker 4: like a more intricate Yang yang balance of harmony, Like
Speaker 4: I can at least see the where they're coming from here,
Speaker 4: assume these they're trying to put together, right.
Speaker 3: Right, it's a it's almost like you're looking at the
Speaker 3: duality concepts again, which is very prevalent in the culture
Speaker 3: and in many of the Satanic sects out there. So
Speaker 3: so the next thing I want to talk about is
Speaker 3: it's called anti cosmic Satanism, and it's also known as
Speaker 3: chaos narcissism, or the misanthropic luciferine order and Temple of
Speaker 3: the Black Light. Anti cosmic Satanists believe that the cosmic
Speaker 3: order that was created by God is a fabrication and
Speaker 3: behind that reality is an endless and formless chaos. Some
Speaker 3: of its practitioners, such as Veccio or twenty one B
Speaker 3: and John Novatt of the Black Metal ban Dissection, are
Speaker 3: nihilists who preferred that the world to return to its
Speaker 3: normal state of chaos. So like saying black metal Norwegian bands.
Speaker 3: I know one of the guys, one guy, they both
Speaker 3: were convicted of killing somebody. I believe in the one
Speaker 3: committed suicide when he got out of prison. I believe
Speaker 3: these are probably kind of like the same groups that
Speaker 3: were like burning down the churches over there and everything
Speaker 3: like that. So but very nihilistic.
Speaker 2: You know, nihilism doesn't make sense to me either, Like
Speaker 2: if you're going to be a satanist and a nihilist,
Speaker 2: then like what why do either If you're a nihilist,
Speaker 2: why give a fuck at all? I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Those roads lead to the same place.
Speaker 2: Right, it doesn't. One plus one still equals two to me.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Well, I just feel like if you're an atheist, like
Speaker 1: that is kind of opening up the gateway to like
Speaker 1: to nihilism, right, because why wouldn't it, Like if you
Speaker 1: think that there is nothing, there's no reason for this
Speaker 1: to happen, that there is no order, there is no
Speaker 1: magic here or any of that, like you're going to
Speaker 1: it's going to lead you to nihilism eventually.
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, people are wild, dude, Yes that's an understatement.
Speaker 4: So these are these black metal groups, and like you said,
Speaker 4: I remember hearing about or reading about, I should say,
Speaker 4: these churches that were being burned down in Europe, not
Speaker 4: just norm but all over Europe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 4: Yes, because it wasn't They weren't even trying to turn
Speaker 4: back to their pagan roots. It was being done by
Speaker 4: Satanists and nihilism things, or at least that the narrative. Now,
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's what nuance of Satanism they were
Speaker 4: these are you said, this.
Speaker 3: Was the anti cosmic.
Speaker 4: Anti cosmic Satanists, right, and they're burning church's cosmic Satanism.
Speaker 2: Yeah? Wowd shit.
Speaker 1: So this was something that was in the seventies. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing nineties. No, oh, interesting in the nineties, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: When you're looking at like death metal and black metal
Speaker 2: bands that are going a little little extra. You got
Speaker 2: Ozzie that was biting the head off of bats, right,
Speaker 2: ooh ah, they were gummy bears. Then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: these youngsters started taking it a little too far and
Speaker 2: thinking that everything was real, Like, no, dude, there's a song,
Speaker 2: we don't act on this shit, and they're going to
Speaker 2: burning cathedrals cause you don't know Ooh, we're so metal like. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Off, So the next one I have is demonolatry, and
Speaker 3: it's basically the worship of demons, but some sex see
Speaker 3: each demon as a separate force or energy that can
Speaker 3: be used to aid in the practitioners rituals or magic.
Speaker 3: The book entitled Modern Demon Altrey by S. Conley lists
Speaker 3: well over two hundred demons, which I thought was interesting
Speaker 3: because that's the same number as the Fallen Watcher angels.
Speaker 2: Yep, so I'm picking up what you're putting down and yep.
Speaker 2: Moving on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, well over two hundred demons from a multitude
Speaker 3: of different religions. Ancient and modern adherents choose the worship
Speaker 3: demons that mirror their own attributes are ones whom they
Speaker 3: share connection. And when I first read about this, it
Speaker 3: made me think of the Lesser Key of Solomon in
Speaker 3: the Goatia the mid seventeenth century, which was based off
Speaker 3: the pseudographical text Testament of Solomon, which then brought to
Speaker 3: mind how I was. I was looking for something on
Speaker 3: Amazon Nephilum related, I don't remember what it was, and
Speaker 3: I inadvertently came across this book called Leber Nephlum. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I don't know, I don't remember what it was
Speaker 3: I was doing doing, but I was looking for something,
Speaker 3: and I'm across this book and it was called Leber Nephlam,
Speaker 3: a grimwire of fallen angels by freighter, which, by the way, Barrabas,
Speaker 3: according to the New Testament, was a prisoner. He was
Speaker 3: chosen over Jesus by the crowd in Jerusalem to be
Speaker 3: pardoned and released by Ponscious Pilot as this was a
Speaker 3: prevailing passover custom at that time. So it's almost kind
Speaker 3: of like a cheeky name he's using for himself, but
Speaker 3: it is a grimwire to summon Nephaloon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, to summon Nephalum, Yes, I don't. I wonder
Speaker 1: why you would want to summon Nephelum anyway, Aren't they
Speaker 1: like demigods?
Speaker 2: Why would you want to summon demons? Certain people do
Speaker 2: certain things.
Speaker 3: Man, I mean, and you're gonna play pretty much are demons.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But if you're gonna play on the
Speaker 1: dark side, you may as well go all the way dark,
Speaker 1: not just halfway darn.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I guess it depends on what you're trying
Speaker 4: to get, right, Certain Nephalom might be a half demon,
Speaker 4: half uh storm deity might be a half demon, half
Speaker 4: animal deity, might might be a half water who knows
Speaker 4: to what level and degrees?
Speaker 2: But I I'm agreeing with you. Why would you people
Speaker 2: be doing it?
Speaker 3: I would imagine, like you know, just like each one
Speaker 3: of them brought mankind certain knowledge or certain technology that
Speaker 3: would kind of, you know, translate into this.
Speaker 4: I could see that very closely, being like, you're worshiping
Speaker 4: this just for that. I'm oversimplifying contrived example, I understand,
Speaker 4: but bear with me. Greek pantheon pick a god doesn't matter, yes,
Speaker 4: and you are doing an awe st or right right,
Speaker 4: But you're doing it offering to that god to bless
Speaker 4: your crops. But you would do a offering to this
Speaker 4: god for a bountiful fishing this morning. And like you
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying, maybe you would call upon one
Speaker 4: for another reason versus another.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to go from what is that
Speaker 1: nutty professor Hercules?
Speaker 3: Hercules the best part of the movie.
Speaker 2: Yees, yes, indeed, oh man, Eddie Murphy's just a goat,
Speaker 2: isn't he? Yeah? He is?
Speaker 1: Dude anyway, probably literally.
Speaker 2: No, I don't do that. Let me. Damn it, let
Speaker 2: me have Eddie Murphy. Don't find don't tell me you
Speaker 2: found out he's a part of some list somewhere.
Speaker 1: Bro, Look how high up in Hollywood he is. Are
Speaker 1: you still literally believing that these people are good?
Speaker 2: No? No, no, But Eddie Murphy earned his way up.
Speaker 4: You can see where he started in his young stand
Speaker 4: up days to where he grew as an actor. Now,
Speaker 4: if he has been said to be on a list somewhere,
Speaker 4: I will have to change my tone about him. But
Speaker 4: as of now, Eddie Murphy is still a great guy.
Speaker 2: Please don't take this from me.
Speaker 1: Look, if I gotta lose Adam Sandler, you losing Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: I lost Tom Hanks.
Speaker 1: We all lost Tom Hanks.
Speaker 3: I don't want to lose Samuel L. Jackson. He's the
Speaker 3: narrator of my life.
Speaker 4: Same same and Morgan Freeman. Let us keep the pure, Okay.
Speaker 4: We need one guy out there, motherfucking everybody. Yes, and
Speaker 4: when he won, guy out there just narrating the life.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean the same Samuel L. Jackson that's covering
Speaker 1: up one eye all throughout every Marvel movie.
Speaker 2: God damn it.
Speaker 3: Oh shit.
Speaker 1: Oh he's wearing an eyepatch. I'm just saying there's symbolism everywhere.
Speaker 2: Ah damn it.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, didn't mean to burst the bubble.
Speaker 1: You can go go back to Blue Pillon Jacob.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I have three more to cover, and the
Speaker 3: next one I want to cover is transcendental Satanism. And
Speaker 3: this one's really kind of out there. So Transcendental Satanism
Speaker 3: is secreated by Matt quote the Lord unquote Zay, an
Speaker 3: adult video director who's brand of Satanism Kingdom in a
Speaker 3: dream after taking the drug LSD. Transcendental Satanists seek a
Speaker 3: form of spiritual evolution, with the end goal of each
Speaker 3: individual a reunification with his or her inner Satanic aspect.
Speaker 3: Followers feel that the Satanic aspect in life is a
Speaker 3: hidden part of the self that is separate from consciousness,
Speaker 3: and believers can find their way to that self by
Speaker 3: falling an individually determined, bat determined path uh, presumably fueled
Speaker 3: by sex and drugs. I'm assuming I.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say so a male porn star took LSD
Speaker 2: and then found this brand of Satanism, or did I
Speaker 2: miss something That sounds all right?
Speaker 3: That's pretty much Yeah, that's pretty much what it says.
Speaker 2: For the record, I'm not trying to judge the man
Speaker 2: based off of this past. Everybody's got one, but like, okay,
Speaker 2: he found some sort of enlightenment and ran with it.
Speaker 2: But uh so go on this little bit more so
Speaker 2: was it that they believe?
Speaker 1: It's interesting how this guy goes on a fucking acid
Speaker 1: trip and all of a sudden he's like Satanism. That's
Speaker 1: the way, dude, It's clearly obviously the way, right right, right, right.
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting how he ties that to enlightenment. But
Speaker 3: I mean, I guess you could kind of tie that
Speaker 3: into enlightenment if you look at it from the Luciferian aspect.
Speaker 3: But what I found interesting about this is like with
Speaker 3: the drugs, if they do you stressed, I feel, and
Speaker 3: I talked I was on the Flump Death Squad talking
Speaker 3: about this. I too, I do believe some I do
Speaker 3: feel that when you do certain substances like DNT, highluasca
Speaker 3: and stuff, you are lifting the veil. Essentially, Yes, you're
Speaker 3: the parallel universes are intersecting. So because it's too much
Speaker 3: of a coincidence for everybody to be seeing machine elves
Speaker 3: when they do DNT.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm actually a little jealous. I did DMT. I
Speaker 1: didn't see no damn else.
Speaker 4: I'm curious about that. There's so many stories and everybody
Speaker 4: says you will see the elves.
Speaker 2: You did it twice. I did not see the elves.
Speaker 2: And then everybody else in the room that did it,
Speaker 2: None of y'all saw elves. No.
Speaker 3: I just want to see the Keebler elves.
Speaker 1: I know, make me some cookies, baby, that would be dope.
Speaker 2: Hold on that telling me if I was the trip
Speaker 2: Balls and I'm just chilling in a tree eating cookies
Speaker 2: until I wake up. Look, man, that sounds awesome.
Speaker 3: That's the dream.
Speaker 1: Which is interesting that because we we recently did a
Speaker 1: Christmas episode about you know, like the kind of like
Speaker 1: the foundation of where a lot of the Christmas like
Speaker 1: heritage that we come to make a tradition or whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about the elves and we brought up
Speaker 1: the machine elves and all that kind of stuff, and
Speaker 1: and like how the emininamscaria mushrooms people were taking that
Speaker 1: to trip Balls, and so maybe you would see the
Speaker 1: machine elves there and then like and then Keebler goes
Speaker 1: and makes like, oh, you know what, we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna make elves like our our fucking mascot over here,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna make cookies the same cookies. Maybe the
Speaker 1: Santa Claus is eating on the way out of the door.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's pretty fun episode too. We call it we
Speaker 2: barely talked about Crampus because so many people talk about him,
Speaker 2: and we've talked about him in the past.
Speaker 4: This time we kind of did a little extra on
Speaker 4: the mule Lads, which that was cool, And I didn't
Speaker 4: know all their names, like the Sausage Snatcher and the
Speaker 4: Bowlt Liquor and the you know, it's crazy Grilla, the
Speaker 4: Witch and her her son's it's a wild shit in Germany.
Speaker 1: They'll steal your pots and pans and everything. It's weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I told my parents. I'm like, wow, if you
Speaker 3: really wanted to get my ass in line when I
Speaker 3: was a kid, like, you should have told me about
Speaker 3: cramp It's not Santa Claus giving me col yeah no, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: but the nightmares?
Speaker 1: Oh cool?
Speaker 2: Real, sure, our kids what Crampis was.
Speaker 4: We just watched that new Christmas movie Red One, and
Speaker 4: Crampis has a role in it, and my kids are
Speaker 4: both because he looks like what the caricature of Satan
Speaker 4: is or a demon, And they're like, Dad, do people
Speaker 4: really believe in that? And I'm like, okay, oh boy,
Speaker 4: let me find a YouTube video. Hold on, and I
Speaker 4: showed them the parade of Crampus this year, and they're like, wait,
Speaker 4: so what is this. I'm like, think about Mardi Girl,
Speaker 4: think about Halloween. But it's super German, super old traditional
Speaker 4: thing and it's not right right. And I had explained
Speaker 4: to them the folklore of it all and stuff, But
Speaker 4: I was actually happy that my children weren't like terrified
Speaker 4: by the look of Corompus when they saw them on screen.
Speaker 2: Their first thought was, oh, it's like Beauty and the Beast.
Speaker 2: I'm like, huh, okay, kids, okay. But then I thought
Speaker 2: about it deeper, and I was like, fuck you, Disney
Speaker 2: yea again for real?
Speaker 3: Anything sacred, not one anyway anyway, So I got Tumor.
Speaker 3: The next one's the Satanic reds and their view. They
Speaker 3: view Satan as a dark force that has existed since
Speaker 3: the beginning of time. It's major proponent, Tanny Jansing. I'm
Speaker 3: probably pronouncing that wrong, claims the pre Sanskirt history of
Speaker 3: the Call and believes that individuals must follow their own
Speaker 3: chakras to find their inner force. That interforce exists in everyone,
Speaker 3: and it is trying to evolve according to each individual's environment.
Speaker 3: The reds is an explicit reference to socialism. Many Satanic
Speaker 3: reds espouse the right of workers to throw off the chains.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, that made me think commis but I didn't know,
Speaker 4: but so real quick, So the whole commy and socialist
Speaker 4: and Marxist thing means religion is bad and we need
Speaker 4: to throw it out.
Speaker 2: But this is a okay yep, And it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of it's kind of like a little New Age
Speaker 3: tied into I look here, because it.
Speaker 2: Didn't sound very dark panic. It sounded more yeah mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like more like a little bit of
Speaker 3: New Age. I don't really know how they put the
Speaker 3: Satanism in there, a little bit of Luciferianism like the
Speaker 3: workers' rights to throw off the chains. So and then
Speaker 3: their little socialism counterpart in there. So very fascinating that
Speaker 3: they Yeah, I mean, And the thing is this is
Speaker 3: there's probably so many other types out there that you know,
Speaker 3: aren't even covered in this article. But I think these
Speaker 3: are some of the more prevalent ones, which even some
Speaker 3: of the like I've never heard of them before or whatever.
Speaker 3: So but so you don't and then you know, later
Speaker 3: on in my presentation stuff I as to talk about
Speaker 3: like ritualistic homicide and talking about like the difference between
Speaker 3: true practitioners and dabblers, because you know, like we talked
Speaker 3: about the teenage angst Satanism, like there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people that are dabblers, and they seemed to get discredited.
Speaker 3: Just because someone's dabbling doesn't mean you know, their intent
Speaker 3: isn't there, you know, so and again you know, it's
Speaker 3: what they believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that you can dabble in
Speaker 1: pretty much anything. But it's all about like, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think that it's about how much are you actually
Speaker 1: believing this? You know, like is it a game? Is
Speaker 1: it a niche kind of thing that maybe one of
Speaker 1: your edgy friends taught you about or something like that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of like you know, they say whenever,
Speaker 1: like whenever you go to pray at night, like you
Speaker 1: have to imagine this. I don't know if this is
Speaker 1: true or not. I heard this. This is what I
Speaker 1: understood from it anyway. But whenever you go and pray
Speaker 1: at night, you're supposed to imagine, imagine whatever you're praying
Speaker 1: as if it has already happened, and you're thanking God
Speaker 1: for it happening. And supposedly there's some literature within the
Speaker 1: Bible that can back that up. I'm not one hundred
Speaker 1: percent on that.
Speaker 4: You're not off base. You're not supposed to imagine. You
Speaker 4: are supposed to believe in faith and you are. Yes,
Speaker 4: you could say thanking Him in advance, so to speak,
Speaker 4: but that doesn't mean it's gonna happen for you. It
Speaker 4: happen according to His will, and you also have to
Speaker 4: include that in your prayer.
Speaker 2: And we have that right.
Speaker 4: We have to make sure that God's will is at
Speaker 4: the forefront above our own.
Speaker 2: But that's so your point.
Speaker 4: Yes, when you pray, and you're praying, I guess for
Speaker 4: a specific purpose and intention, like healing.
Speaker 2: For instance, Let's say you're praying for your mother to
Speaker 2: be healed of heart cancer. You're not praying for the
Speaker 2: cancer to go away.
Speaker 4: You're thanking God for his healing powers and that He
Speaker 4: is working in your mother at this time.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, Yes, great or.
Speaker 3: In the in the other side of it too, is like, Okay,
Speaker 3: it might not happen my the way I want my
Speaker 3: prayer not the answer, but God will get me through it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right right, I mean it's yeah, I guess so, yeah,
Speaker 1: that makes sense.
Speaker 2: You're not you weren't off base here, but yeah, we're
Speaker 2: in the same ballpark for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I think Jonathan, again, that's like kind of intentions,
Speaker 3: like intention. You know, you have to really have faith,
Speaker 3: you know, when you whatever religion is you're practicing. And
Speaker 3: I think from faith stems intention too.
Speaker 1: Sure. Sure, And I think that that faith is such
Speaker 1: a it's kind of a rabbit hole of a word.
Speaker 1: I think, to be honest with you, because I don't
Speaker 1: know if a lot of people understand just how deep
Speaker 1: what having faith actually does, Like it is crazy the
Speaker 1: amount of things that can happen. Judge the kind of
Speaker 1: like based upon the level of faith that you have.
Speaker 1: Like if you think that God and Jesus are are
Speaker 1: like all holy powers that can literally make anything happen
Speaker 1: within this matrix, then you would be saying, all right, well,
Speaker 1: I have faith that you'll be able to do this
Speaker 1: or do that or whatever, and maybe it. Maybe it
Speaker 1: happens because of your level of faith. I don't know.
Speaker 1: That's my own interpretation of it.
Speaker 2: But faith also is kind of convoluted in that sense
Speaker 2: of like, Okay, when I get on an airplane, I don't
Speaker 2: believe we're gonna land safely. I have faith that we're
Speaker 2: gonna land safely. Like, I'm not worried about it. I'm
Speaker 2: not concerned.
Speaker 4: I'm going about my day with the faith of this.
Speaker 4: Now do I have knowledge of this? Do I know
Speaker 4: that for one hundred percent fact?
Speaker 2: Now? No, I do not, No one can.
Speaker 4: But I have enough faith in the pilot and in
Speaker 4: the airplane and in the systems that we have in
Speaker 4: place that everything's gonna work out fine.
Speaker 2: So I'm not worried about it. You see what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Anyway, Sorry, let's uh, let's
Speaker 1: continue here.
Speaker 3: Ye, last one, and this one I find really interesting.
Speaker 3: It's the call of Cutulhu, and it's face.
Speaker 2: That's listed as Satanism.
Speaker 3: It yeah, it is, but I.
Speaker 2: Have no idea. Oh my god, yes, please go on this.
Speaker 3: So, based on HP lovecraft novels, the cults of Cutulhu
Speaker 3: are small groups which have arisen with the same name
Speaker 3: but have radically different goals. Some believe that the fictional
Speaker 3: creature was real will eventually usher in an era of
Speaker 3: chaos and uninhibited violence, wiping out humanity in the process.
Speaker 3: Others simply subscribe to the philosophy of ctulu, a philosophy
Speaker 3: of cosmic indifference, that the universe is a meaningless and
Speaker 3: mechanical system that is indifferent to the existence of human beings.
Speaker 3: Other members of the Cull are not Satanists at all,
Speaker 3: but used to call to celebrate Lovecraft's ingenuinity. So I'm
Speaker 3: a big Lovecraft fan, and I definitely think he was channeling.
Speaker 1: Things, Oh my God, based on the idea that humanity
Speaker 1: is insignificant in the face of the cosmos and that
Speaker 1: humans are at the mercy of the universe's vastness. Oh
Speaker 1: that is kind of like, that's that's kind of dark.
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, yo.
Speaker 4: No, this is dark dark yo. Give me a give
Speaker 4: me the ability to share this screamer real quick. I
Speaker 4: got a quick, little one minute, thirty second clip. I'm
Speaker 4: talking about old Katulu, you know, and let's just let's
Speaker 4: just hear what they got to say about it.
Speaker 1: You know, he always reverences fucking South Park for everything,
Speaker 1: because it's.
Speaker 2: Crudu rightw wa gall.
Speaker 1: The old one has awakened. A lot of us have
Speaker 1: waited a long time for this day. Well for all
Speaker 1: our South Park Tulu cult members, all the new it
Speaker 1: is time to party. Yeah, there must be clubs like
Speaker 1: this all over the world. We know some of these people.
Speaker 2: There's mister Adler from shot Class and those two giggy
Speaker 2: computer guys. Oh my god, look that grow.
Speaker 1: Aren't those the goth kids. I'm so freaking stokes that
Speaker 1: Katula's gonna squash all the happy go looking conform us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just hope he puts an end of the fucking
Speaker 1: Disney channel. Dude, why would the GoF kids worship Cutulhu
Speaker 1: make sense? Unrelenting despair in a thousand years of darkness
Speaker 1: sounds pretty gough.
Speaker 6: Now let us read from the necronomic con that is
Speaker 6: not dead, which can eternal lie and with strange ans
Speaker 6: even death may die.
Speaker 4: So you know there are in fact cults practicing this, which,
Speaker 4: for the record, yes that was done in satire, but uh,
Speaker 4: Trey Parker and his boy definitely do this, So that's
Speaker 4: that's real things.
Speaker 3: Yeah. South Park always seems to be on the stuff
Speaker 3: like you know, come later a later date. You're like, wait,
Speaker 3: I saw this in South Park.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the miss yet, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the Simpsons, you know, yeah, yep. And
Speaker 1: and Black Mirror, by the way, like.
Speaker 2: People still haven't seen it.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what are you waiting to reference it?
Speaker 2: Bro? I need to fucking watch it, dude.
Speaker 1: If you want to have literally the tits blown off
Speaker 1: of your chest and stuck to a wall, watch Black Mirror.
Speaker 1: And I promise you, dude, this is one of the
Speaker 1: most out there awesome TV shows ever created.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt you, bro, I just do.
Speaker 1: It is amazing. And what's really cool about it too,
Speaker 1: is that it's not the same characters for every episode.
Speaker 1: Literally every episode is a short movie. And oh my god, dude, I.
Speaker 4: Saw one where it was like it was a Netflix thing,
Speaker 4: but it was about how she's awful and then she
Speaker 4: went through and found out at the end like Michael
Speaker 4: Sarah was the guy on the computer.
Speaker 2: He's like, no, I'm not Michael Sarah. This is the point. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I saw that one episode that this is an amazing show.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was on the new season. But yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of Not all of them are great. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and stick up for every single episode,
Speaker 1: but most of them are really good, dude. And I
Speaker 1: feel like, especially coming into this new like technocratic age
Speaker 1: where literally everything is behind a green screen or everything
Speaker 1: is in like a ready player one kind of glasses
Speaker 1: kind of situation where you know, like weird shit that
Speaker 1: isn't real, people are believing that is real and stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 1: It's it's wild what people will succumb to at the
Speaker 1: mercy of technology, like it's it's it's insane.
Speaker 4: Black Mirror is the sh show that you reference all
Speaker 4: the time. I gotta sit and watch it. South Park
Speaker 4: is the show that I reference quite a bit. But
Speaker 4: I will say that the Cutulhu references and the imagery
Speaker 4: they use of Cutulhu, and then they later on the
Speaker 4: episode the the little Heroes go and grab the Goth
Speaker 4: kids and they actually have them lay out like what
Speaker 4: they're talking about, and it's not incorrect. They actually read
Speaker 4: the book and made the show based off of it.
Speaker 2: So but that's the thing. Katulhu was understood up until tonight.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize this was seen as a group of
Speaker 2: Satanists it's understand have you read I have not have.
Speaker 3: Okay, they talk about a cult in there of like Satanic,
Speaker 3: like cannibalistic group or tribe or something. They do you
Speaker 3: mention that in the in the book.
Speaker 4: But the monster was supposed to be just a monster
Speaker 4: in a book, right, I thought anyway, But like apparently
Speaker 4: people are waiting for him to rise.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So in in the Cotulhu Mythos, there's the old
Speaker 3: ones that they talk about, and they're like these these monsters,
Speaker 3: and it seems seems to be you know, this has
Speaker 3: kind of been adapted for some people, like this type
Speaker 3: of satanic sect here. It almost I mean, it's like scientology.
Speaker 3: It was taken from a story. I was taken from
Speaker 3: a book, like just another one of those adaptations and stuff.
Speaker 3: Whether people truly believe this or just Lovecraft fanatics.
Speaker 4: You know what, That's a good point as I'm sitting
Speaker 4: here saying Katu was just supposed to be a story.
Speaker 4: Scientology was HP Lovecraft, and that was supposed to yeh, yep.
Speaker 3: Ol Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 2: Oh excuse me, that was Hubbard. You're right, You're right, right,
Speaker 2: But yes, that was supposed to be just a story.
Speaker 2: And then dianetics and then next thing, you know, Tom
Speaker 2: Cruise is apparently the pope or some shit.
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, you know, I was actually just
Speaker 1: looking this up. I've always kind of had this like
Speaker 1: kind of mentality that I personally believe, not being religious
Speaker 1: person I kind of look at all religions as cults personally,
Speaker 1: and I was, and I just typed in on Google.
Speaker 1: They got the little AI thing that answers you now,
Speaker 1: and I asked, why aren't religions cults? And it says
Speaker 1: not all religion in this a very interesting explanation here,
Speaker 1: but it says not all religions are considered cults. The
Speaker 1: term cult is typically applied to a group with extreme
Speaker 1: unusual beliefs and practices, and often a charismatic leader that
Speaker 1: exerts significant control over members, often isolating them from the
Speaker 1: wider society, it says, which is not necessarily the case
Speaker 1: with mainstream religions. While some new religions might be labeled
Speaker 1: as cults initially, they can eventually gain wider acceptance and
Speaker 1: lose the quote unquote cult label over time if they
Speaker 1: integrate into society more fully. So it's kind of like
Speaker 1: if you stick around long enough you're not going to
Speaker 1: be called a cult anymore. But almost every single one
Speaker 1: of them starts out seems like as a cult.
Speaker 2: Kind of yes, kind of no, But there's a difference.
Speaker 4: Okay, So if you have a guy who's got a group,
Speaker 4: he's got a following, talking about some new philosophical things,
Speaker 4: and he's got a little it's growing, there's a difference
Speaker 4: between that guy and the guy telling you to sell
Speaker 4: your possessions and he gets to marry every woman in
Speaker 4: the group.
Speaker 2: And right, there's a line here.
Speaker 1: I guess. So I'm just saying, like you could imagine
Speaker 1: that the Jews probably looked at all the people that
Speaker 1: were following Jesus as like a cult. Right initially, well
Speaker 1: he was, he was Jewish, like he didn't. It's different
Speaker 1: because he was claiming to be the Messiah of their religion.
Speaker 2: But I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4: The Romans definitely saw the New Jesus cult as a thing,
Speaker 4: the Christian cult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Jews that didn't take would would see
Speaker 1: the people initially following Jesus as like.
Speaker 3: Christians were called Christians then later yeah.
Speaker 4: Right right right, they saw them as apostates and heretics.
Speaker 2: But not. Yeah.
Speaker 4: At that time, though the word cult was being used differently,
Speaker 4: there was mystery cults for every single god. It was right,
Speaker 4: it wasn't seen as the same type of stigma that
Speaker 4: we have on these cult leaders of these mystery cults.
Speaker 4: I guess in a sense, right, we're telling people to
Speaker 4: sell all their possessions and just dedicate themselves only to
Speaker 4: the cult and don't go near your family anymore, and
Speaker 4: don't go near these people anymore. But even the Christians
Speaker 4: weren't doing that. They weren't saying to no longer talk
Speaker 4: to your family. They're like, no, please bring your family,
Speaker 4: bring everybody, and you don't need to sell anything. You
Speaker 4: don't have to. It's the whole point. It's a here
Speaker 4: for every single person. There's no secret knowledge, there's no
Speaker 4: entrance fee, just come home. And so it's it could
Speaker 4: have been seen initially as a new type of cults,
Speaker 4: but it's not what we would consider a cult by
Speaker 4: today's standards.
Speaker 2: But you see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But if you were a Jew that didn't want to
Speaker 1: convert to Christianity, you weren't willing to follow Jesus like
Speaker 1: the people that did, like you would be like, oh, Wait,
Speaker 1: they're saying that there's no such thing as Jew or
Speaker 1: Gentile anymore. I'm out, Like, that's some cult like shit, right.
Speaker 2: Again, kind of yes, kind of no. Jesus told the
Speaker 2: Jews to continue being Jewish, like he told the Gentiles,
Speaker 2: keep doing Gentiles, shit, what about the Jews about the
Speaker 2: laws of Abraham?
Speaker 4: Dude, keep them, keep your Honkah, keep your passovers. These
Speaker 4: are important, not honiky yet, those later. But you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, like, keep your traditions, your feast days.
Speaker 4: You're good Jewish people do that. But I'm the Messiah
Speaker 4: that you've been praying for. Hey, Gentiles, Hey, you got
Speaker 4: your weird cultures and customs.
Speaker 2: Cool dope. Hey, this is the new way. So it
Speaker 2: wasn't yes and no to your question. It's complicated.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure every cult would probably say it's
Speaker 1: kind of complicated, right.
Speaker 2: I don't believe most cult leaders have all the answers
Speaker 2: and it's not complicated at all. You just have to
Speaker 2: buy their new book and you have to see the
Speaker 2: reason why you're asking this question is you know, you
Speaker 2: just need to reindoctrinate yourself and go deeper into the
Speaker 2: word of the divine leader.
Speaker 1: Of said cults and just and just have faith.
Speaker 2: Just dig more into the word. It's like communism. Anytime
Speaker 2: you quit get to be a part of the communist
Speaker 2: group cult and then you start questioning, oh wait, this
Speaker 2: kind of doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: Well wha wha whah, you just need to read this
Speaker 4: other book and dig deeper into communism. It's like, don't
Speaker 4: think it, don't have independent thought, don't think for yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of them are not preaching that right.
Speaker 1: A lot of the new cults they're they're not as
Speaker 1: well like uh good at like signing loose ends and shit,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yes and no, it's per age per day.
Speaker 2: We're speaking one kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, but like if not to go any farther
Speaker 1: on this, but like just my mind is coming up
Speaker 1: with questions right now. But like s if you know,
Speaker 1: let's say Jesus didn't come around until now, like forget
Speaker 1: two thousand years ago. That time that Jesus came is
Speaker 1: right now and everybody else at least, you know, that
Speaker 1: was kind of on the same sector of reading the
Speaker 1: Old Testament and knowing that there was gonna be a
Speaker 1: savior that was gonna come right, and then Jesus came
Speaker 1: right now, you would say that his followers could be
Speaker 1: part of a cult initially.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm gonna walk down this road with.
Speaker 1: You, kind of like the way the Mormons look at uh,
Speaker 1: what's his.
Speaker 2: Name, yeah, boy Smith? Right, all right, all right, I'll
Speaker 2: walk down this row with you. Let's do that.
Speaker 4: So again, let's take away the black and whites of
Speaker 4: the winds that Jesus was supposed to come, right, because
Speaker 4: there wasn't supposed to be a Natan. And just for
Speaker 4: the hypotheticals, let's just I'll take you out what you're
Speaker 4: saying here. Let's say there's no Christians on earth because
Speaker 4: he hadn't come yet. There's Jews doing Jewish things, and
Speaker 4: then there's everyone else doing everyone else's things.
Speaker 2: Some of that's.
Speaker 4: Hindu Buddhism, different types of pagan whatever. But there's no Christians,
Speaker 4: there's no New Testament.
Speaker 1: Let's just call them Pagans, right, okay.
Speaker 4: And there was a new guy came on the scene.
Speaker 4: And are we going with the traditional story of bethle Hammer.
Speaker 4: Is he in a different country?
Speaker 1: No, Let's go with your understanding, okay.
Speaker 2: And for the sake of argument, let's say that they're
Speaker 2: not in open fucking war right now. Okay, let's just
Speaker 2: let's say that this happened like maybe five years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because right now, it's kind of a weird
Speaker 4: one to throw that extra wrench into the gears, like, oh.
Speaker 1: And at times where there's peace in the Middle East,
Speaker 1: let's just even take it there.
Speaker 2: Why not? Why not? Okay?
Speaker 4: So if he was to come back today and he
Speaker 4: started healing people and performing miracles and was being countercultural
Speaker 4: in the way that he was talking about, because they
Speaker 4: kept trying to ask him like, you know, should we
Speaker 4: pay taxes?
Speaker 2: Should we do this? Should we stone this bitch, like
Speaker 2: should we whatever?
Speaker 4: And he was always like yo, or or you could
Speaker 4: just not be shitty, you know. And then he was
Speaker 4: just healing people and he wasn't telling people to disobey
Speaker 4: the laws and the rules. He was just telling him like, no, no,
Speaker 4: I'm here to fulfill the laws and the rules. And
Speaker 4: he gets the following, and he dies and he rises again,
Speaker 4: and he walks the earth and people see this with
Speaker 4: their eyes and he develops like a whole following of
Speaker 4: that per the day and age of today, like that
Speaker 4: would be seen and that would go viral, and like
Speaker 4: there wouldn't be a way of containing that whatsoever, And
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be just like some new TikTok you saw.
Speaker 4: It would be so plentiful that there'd be no way
Speaker 4: of denying that what was happening was happening. There would
Speaker 4: be no question about AI, there would be no question
Speaker 4: about any of that. It'd be you're either accepting what
Speaker 4: you're seeing before your eyes or you're dismissing it, and
Speaker 4: you're choosing to say that that's not real.
Speaker 3: You know what spooky is. That's how the anti Christ
Speaker 3: comes in the power too. Yeah, it's basically the same story,
Speaker 3: but it's inverted.
Speaker 2: Right. But again, this is per the example that Jesus
Speaker 2: hadn't come yet.
Speaker 4: So if that was to happen today, I wouldn't call
Speaker 4: his followers cult members.
Speaker 2: I would call them followers of this dude.
Speaker 1: Which would you then thinking, which then eventually ended up
Speaker 1: creating like the second half of the Bible. So you
Speaker 1: got to think about that part too, you know, like
Speaker 1: you're we're gonna take all of your old beliefs and
Speaker 1: then we're going to add to it. I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's I don't know where I'm going
Speaker 1: with that. I was just trying to pick your brain
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: No, no, huh. I enjoyed these conversations, you know that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that would mean that the New testa movie
Speaker 2: written by somebody today, which would be weird.
Speaker 3: The Pharisees probably felt that way about him, I.
Speaker 2: Would imagine they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they didn't like that he was calling them literally
Speaker 4: hypocrites to their faces publicly and like shaming them. So
Speaker 4: that would be another thing. Jesus if he was born today,
Speaker 4: would be shitting on the pope.
Speaker 2: He would be shitting.
Speaker 4: On every high up religious figure you could think of,
Speaker 4: if they have any bit of greed within them. He'd
Speaker 4: be shitting on governments, not throwing middle fingers. He would
Speaker 4: be very eloquently and kindly telling them how wrong they are,
Speaker 4: like for sure, and that wouldn't go overwell, especially today.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could sure use him to go in
Speaker 1: there and slay some dens of thieves, though I could.
Speaker 1: I could take that right now, get rid of to
Speaker 1: tack on.
Speaker 4: He flipped over tables one time when he saw there
Speaker 4: was money being made. You want to talk about what
Speaker 4: he would do in these mega churches.
Speaker 2: Holy fuck. Oh yeah, but again that would be for
Speaker 2: the example that the Vatican wouldn't be a thing because
Speaker 2: there would be no Christendom.
Speaker 4: So there's a lot of levels to this. But I
Speaker 4: see what you're saying, Jonathan, but I don't per what
Speaker 4: I know about the dude Yeshia. I don't think that
Speaker 4: his leaders or his followers excuse me, would have been
Speaker 4: seen as cult members by today's standards, maybe like club
Speaker 4: members or new age philosophers.
Speaker 2: Maybe see it going into that realm.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about coming from the perspective of the people
Speaker 1: that aren't in the club. You know, if you disagree
Speaker 1: with that initially, those people would be calling that following
Speaker 1: a cult, right.
Speaker 2: I could see it. Yeah, I could see them definitely
Speaker 2: throwing that out for sure, no doubt.
Speaker 1: Anyway, that's another weird side tangent. Sorry about that there next.
Speaker 3: You no, no, that I mean that. That wraps it
Speaker 3: up for all the types of or I shouldn't say all,
Speaker 3: but covers several different types of satanic sex. And if
Speaker 3: you want, I can come back next time another time,
Speaker 3: because I still this is so we had to get
Speaker 3: through the meat and potatoes of the different types of
Speaker 3: Satanism before we started to get into like occult crimes
Speaker 3: and ritualists that comicide and the people that are committing
Speaker 3: those crimes what their intentions are. Like I said, there's
Speaker 3: true believers and there's dabblers, people that kind of mix
Speaker 3: and match their own preference as to how they are
Speaker 3: a Satanist. And I know you've I think it is
Speaker 3: it cosmic peach has gone over like program to kill
Speaker 3: with you guys and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So, like you know, it ties into a lot of
Speaker 3: those crimes and some other crimes as well that I
Speaker 3: would bring up to kind of show that this does happen,
Speaker 3: because I also cover how I think the Landing Report
Speaker 3: needs to be revisited, the Kenneth Lanning report, who claims,
Speaker 3: you know, ritualistic child abuse isn't a thing, Well, what
Speaker 3: happened at Hosannah Church. This needs to be revisited.
Speaker 2: I was just say the Landing Report for the for
Speaker 2: those that may not know or have never really heard
Speaker 2: that before, can you expound upon that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Kenneth Lanning is an FBI agent and he
Speaker 3: wrote a report that investigated ritualistic child of abuse by
Speaker 3: like Satanic cults and he pretty much, you know, said
Speaker 3: it's he has not found any evidence of it, doesn't
Speaker 3: believe it exists, but he can't say for certain. But
Speaker 3: he pretty much dismisses it, and you know, gives some
Speaker 3: of his arguments and stuff, and some of it, I
Speaker 3: was like, I felt like he was victim blaming a
Speaker 3: little bit. But it just it's it's kind of absurd
Speaker 3: because it felt like he was saying in order for
Speaker 3: something to be a ritualistic abuse case or or homicide
Speaker 3: or something like that, or you know, it has to
Speaker 3: be by you know, these satanic cults, like and he
Speaker 3: almost makes it sound like they need to be like
Speaker 3: a recognized religions kind of satanic cult. But it's like
Speaker 3: all these loop or not loop loop, all these necessary
Speaker 3: elements have to be present in order to call that.
Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, hop on your left foot
Speaker 3: while holding your nose and sticking your tongue out, turning
Speaker 3: in a circle. Like just just makes it like almost absurd.
Speaker 3: How you know, nothing would really qualify as that because
Speaker 3: again we talked about earlier intent and it's not what
Speaker 3: you believe, it's what they believe. So and like he
Speaker 3: also mentions it can't be a lone person, it has
Speaker 3: to be a group, you know. It just just these
Speaker 3: ridiculous requirements in order for it to be qualified as
Speaker 3: a ritualistic crime or a cult crime.
Speaker 4: Do we know what cult or group he was a
Speaker 4: part of, because it sounds like he was covering for
Speaker 4: his homies.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say too. Yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like you see that amount of evidence and you're still saying, eh,
Speaker 1: gray area, we're not gonna call it that is called Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about the finders before.
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, so how how are we? How are we
Speaker 3: like missing this? Like I don't understand, So you know
Speaker 3: that that's kind of how I ended up down this
Speaker 3: rabbit hole and stuff. It was because I just couldn't
Speaker 3: understand how you know, it was completely labeled satanic panic
Speaker 3: and that it still happens today. None of that stuff's true.
Speaker 3: Ritualistic crime's abuse doesn't happen like Satanists. They're just all eightys. Like,
Speaker 3: there was so much missing and it's just this narrative
Speaker 3: that's being driven that satan and Satanism doesn't exist. Well,
Speaker 3: what is that quote? Do you know the quote I'm
Speaker 3: going to quote? What was it? The greatest trick that
Speaker 3: ever did was convinced the world he was a lie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds about right, like how the you might
Speaker 1: not believe in the devil, but he believes in you
Speaker 1: kind of thing.
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you that guy's got to be in
Speaker 4: on it or paid off by the guys at the
Speaker 4: top that are I would take either or to be
Speaker 4: honest with you, But there are so many cases of it.
Speaker 4: And again, fine, fine, maybe the satanic panic was you know, was.
Speaker 2: A part of fake and hoaxy.
Speaker 4: Right, maybe there was some of that, and maybe it
Speaker 4: is way more isolated than what they led us to believe.
Speaker 4: That doesn't matter, the fact that we were bringing awareness
Speaker 4: to it was what was important. The fact that it
Speaker 4: is going on and must be stopped. But somehow that
Speaker 4: got swept under the rug. Is Oh, that's just that's craziness.
Speaker 4: But like you said, there's too many examples to point out, right.
Speaker 3: And that and just examples we know of. I can't
Speaker 3: imagine the examples we don't know of, you know, the
Speaker 3: smaller cases that have gone unnoticed or you know, not
Speaker 3: covered in media. You know, I've actually I was surprised
Speaker 3: to see the new York Post posting articles about the
Speaker 3: offshoot of the Order of Nine Angles, which I'll get
Speaker 3: into the Order of Nine Angles a little bit later on.
Speaker 3: But there's I think it's called the seven six four
Speaker 3: and they're they're an offshoot and they are they are Satanists.
Speaker 3: They say they are Satanists, but they are also pedophiles
Speaker 3: and predators, and they're grooming your children through like Twitch
Speaker 3: and some of those other apps and stuff to you know, uh, sextortion,
Speaker 3: or talking them into injured themselves, or going into establishments.
Speaker 3: And I don't want to say anything if this goes on.
Speaker 3: Are you behind a paywall? You said on this our
Speaker 3: video is okay, well, I'm not going to say anything
Speaker 3: that's gonna but you know the trend of going into
Speaker 3: buildings and taking out as many people as you can.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, you could say whatever you want to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's okay, all right. I
Speaker 3: seem sure that that would get you straight or something
Speaker 3: like that. So but so, and they were reporting on that.
Speaker 3: I was glad to see they were reporting on it.
Speaker 3: But you know, this is a classic example. Is they exist?
Speaker 1: Yep, Yeah, they do exist, And some people are just
Speaker 1: absolutely demented if you're carrying all this shit out and like, look,
Speaker 1: we all have our very differing beliefs as far as
Speaker 1: you know what our line of faith is. Or maybe
Speaker 1: some people have no faith they're just atheists, right, But like,
Speaker 1: clearly the answer is not sacrificing humans and definitely not
Speaker 1: sacrificing babies, and you probably shouldn't be working with I
Speaker 1: don't know, demons that have a history of like convincing
Speaker 1: parents to sacrifice their kids to them, you know which,
Speaker 1: by the way, with Christmas just done now, like that
Speaker 1: whole idea of the whole idea of like you know,
Speaker 1: the little kids going and sitting up on Santa's lap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that goes back to Moloch worship, which you know, back
Speaker 1: whenever you're worshiping Moloch, you would have them, I think,
Speaker 1: like sit next to like an incinerator and you would
Speaker 1: literally burn your kids alive to Moloch.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I had arms. Yeah, his arms like extended out,
Speaker 3: So I think he was like was at any bronze.
Speaker 4: Or no or I thinking it depends on which era
Speaker 4: you're talking about. There was examples of him where his
Speaker 4: arms were out, but like the belly section was hollow,
Speaker 4: and that was the oven.
Speaker 2: There were somewhere his hands were the oven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're thinking. I mean there was the
Speaker 3: Moloch with with this with the arms. But there's also
Speaker 3: what's called the Brazen Bull, and it was created in
Speaker 3: I think somewhere rom and the guy that actually created
Speaker 3: it ended up being burned.
Speaker 2: In it, the only victim of it, I might.
Speaker 3: Add, So they outlawed it, but it was it they
Speaker 3: created in it. So when the victim burned, there's like
Speaker 3: these pipes and it would make like guttural like bull noises,
Speaker 3: like to emphasize the screaming. It was truly truly horrific, but.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's why the Infra actually made him do it.
Speaker 4: This inventor was like super proud of it. He brings
Speaker 4: it to Caesar. He's like, look, got this new torture method.
Speaker 4: When you kill him, the bull roars.
Speaker 2: And he's like, that's the most fucked up thing I've
Speaker 2: ever heard. You're going in it. We're gonna see if
Speaker 2: it works. Place what they did and it worked like
Speaker 2: a charm and he's like, well, that's never getting used outlaw. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's weird.
Speaker 4: Even the Roman legions, even the nastiest and the ones
Speaker 4: that came up with crucifixions and the whole they even
Speaker 4: had a limit, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, for.
Speaker 1: Sure, the tortureists were like, yo, yeah, there's something wrong
Speaker 1: with you. Like, yeah, we're into torturing people, but that's
Speaker 1: a step too far.
Speaker 3: Well, I lacked today because they're like cruel and unusual
Speaker 3: punishment and like I should look back at medieval times.
Speaker 3: That will tell you what cruel and unusual punishment is.
Speaker 3: Like you're getting humane deaths now.
Speaker 2: Right right, wild things so crazy that the thing is
Speaker 2: the bull even more. No, no, we're not going to
Speaker 2: have that conversation which torture methods more or less bad.
Speaker 2: They're all shitty.
Speaker 4: But yeah, So the sacrifice to Moloch though, like you're
Speaker 4: talking about the the kids sitting on Santa's lap, I
Speaker 4: have never heard that that was indicative of some sort
Speaker 4: of Molocky or Molecheian thing.
Speaker 1: Is new to me, but okay, yeah, because that's that's
Speaker 1: like the people that worship Moloch, they would like they
Speaker 1: worshiped him by sacrificing their kids, right, it's crazy shite.
Speaker 3: I'm sure that tied into may perhaps Saturnalia too, like
Speaker 3: you know, maybe they would do sacrifices during that time, okay,
Speaker 3: and Saturn was the god that would eat his children.
Speaker 2: Yep, I don't.
Speaker 4: I remember having this conversation years ago with my dad
Speaker 4: and I was in high school actually, and I was
Speaker 4: just learning about real Satanism. Now, granted, not any of
Speaker 4: these other subreddits are offshoots where they're humanism or any
Speaker 4: of that's truly worshiping the Dark Lord. And I remember
Speaker 4: telling him back then, this was early two thousands, about
Speaker 4: how these people are like doing horrible shit to kids,
Speaker 4: and they're murdering people for sacrifice. And my dad again
Speaker 4: was very very blue at this time he has sense
Speaker 4: opened that third eye, but he was like, so, you're
Speaker 4: telling me that every one of these Satanic temples are
Speaker 4: doing this horrible shit. I'm like, I'm not saying everyone.
Speaker 4: I'm saying the ones that are truly talking to Satan
Speaker 4: are yes, So you're telling them we should just go
Speaker 4: burn everyone and kill him. I'm like, I mean, you
Speaker 4: said it, not me, But I don't disagree, my man.
Speaker 2: But I that's the thing. There's so many people that
Speaker 2: claim that they're speaking to the Dark Lord who do
Speaker 2: not partake of the sacrifices and the ritual rapes and
Speaker 2: these types of things, and it's like, so where are
Speaker 2: they drawing their power from?
Speaker 4: And these people who are doing these practices, their power
Speaker 4: is being drawn from like the same source, but it's stronger,
Speaker 4: and it's it gets so so deep and so dark
Speaker 4: the more you look at it.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's why the whole what was it called
Speaker 1: the gray faction that you mentioned earlier, Like those people
Speaker 1: probably really believe that that's fake news, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like I would have to imagine that
Speaker 1: there are some Satanists out there that they're like, yo,
Speaker 1: look like, yeah, got a funny name. You know, it
Speaker 1: might be contrary to what you believe, but it's really
Speaker 1: just our way of being spiritual or whatever, and they
Speaker 1: probably literally see it like that. You think they're in
Speaker 1: on it.
Speaker 2: I think they're in on it, just like your boy
Speaker 2: with the report they're trying.
Speaker 3: It just doesn't make sense that they'd be attacking that
Speaker 3: if they don't believe, if they don't, if they're atheistic
Speaker 3: or non theistic, like they don't believe in Satan, they
Speaker 3: don't worship Satan. They don't it's all about self deification,
Speaker 3: So why are they attacking you know, victims and mental
Speaker 3: health professionals who are abused by people who are worshiping
Speaker 3: Satan and are abusing them in a ritualist nick manner
Speaker 3: for the worship of Satan.
Speaker 4: I bet, lie, I bet one of their close friends,
Speaker 4: come to find out, was a pedophile and he got
Speaker 4: wrapped up. And as soon as it was discovered that
Speaker 4: he was, their group of Satanists that like.
Speaker 2: Understood, oh sra, here we go, They're like, whoa, whoa, No, man,
Speaker 2: that's not us, even though it probably like literally fucking
Speaker 2: was no way, man, not my guy. He was just
Speaker 2: diddling kids.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't satantically diddling kids, and so like they started
Speaker 4: the fucking reverse crusade for their homie.
Speaker 2: I bet that's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's very possible. I actually have a very different view
Speaker 1: on all this as a matter of fact, Like I
Speaker 1: think that.
Speaker 2: With all this evidence, you still think it's egregres and metaphors.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, Like I'm one hundred percent believing
Speaker 1: that there are people that are sacrificing in the name of.
Speaker 2: Answering them.
Speaker 4: Do you believe that's metaphors and edgergres or do you
Speaker 4: believe that's Satan answering them.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think Satan. All of this evidence and
Speaker 1: all this proof, I don't think you need. I don't
Speaker 1: think there has to be proof of Satan answering anybody
Speaker 1: in order for somebody to carry out a sacrifice. I
Speaker 1: think that people like maybe they're drawn towards wanting to
Speaker 1: sacrifice for for the dark Lord, or for magic, or
Speaker 1: for this or that, And I think that there is
Speaker 1: magic and power to be gained from that. But I
Speaker 1: do I actually believe that there is Satan that is like, yes,
Speaker 1: your sacrifice for me, and I will give you all
Speaker 1: your wishes. No, I don't think there's fucking genies out there. No,
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that.
Speaker 2: But if it didn't work exactly like they think it
Speaker 2: would mathematically have done it so many times, why would
Speaker 2: they continue doing it?
Speaker 1: I mean, why do most people do a lot of
Speaker 1: people do shit out of tradition. You got to think
Speaker 1: about that too. It's not always for spiritual reasons. They
Speaker 1: might do it because that's the way they were brought up.
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't know any other way that that is
Speaker 1: the way, because that's the way it's always been. And
Speaker 1: if it doesn't work for me, well, that's just because
Speaker 1: I'm not as good of a practitioner as my dad
Speaker 1: who did it to carry out or whatever. Right, I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean I could see where you're going with that.
Speaker 4: But like in today's world, if you're sacrificing children, even
Speaker 4: if you were brought up in that environment, you think
Speaker 4: that's normal. Like, it won't take you very long living
Speaker 4: in regular society to realize, hey, wait a minute, that's
Speaker 4: not okay.
Speaker 1: Oh well, I mean, yeah, no tradition.
Speaker 2: Or not, you know, so what racism, that's tradition.
Speaker 4: My grandfather was this, my dad was this, so on this,
Speaker 4: it's like, no, in today's world, you have to be
Speaker 4: an adultant thing for yourself.
Speaker 2: You can't. That's that doesn't fly.
Speaker 3: I forgot to mention too in regards to the Great
Speaker 3: Faction and stuff when they mentioned the false memories syndrome,
Speaker 3: you do you know, the dirty laundry on them some
Speaker 3: of the founders or accused them of sexual abuse when
Speaker 3: she was a child. Shocker, She goes out and speaks
Speaker 3: she's a psychologist or psychiatrist now or something I can't remember.
Speaker 3: And then a couple of years ago they went under.
Speaker 3: They no longer exist they just Wow, this dissipated. But
Speaker 3: what's interesting is in Galainne Maxwell's child, they were bringing
Speaker 3: up memories. They're trying to use that as a defense.
Speaker 1: Interesting hmm, wow, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know, I think that there is something really going on.
Speaker 1: Like I just I think that the thing that you
Speaker 1: think is answering you is not actually, you know, like
Speaker 1: some guy that is like, yes, please sin and I'll
Speaker 1: help you. I'll give you whatever you want.
Speaker 2: I don't he's not a guy. He's not like a dude.
Speaker 1: He's the devil, an energy whatever. I don't know. That's
Speaker 1: just my own opinion.
Speaker 2: That tells you that's who's answering you, like says by name.
Speaker 1: In what instance?
Speaker 2: Was me here?
Speaker 1: But like in what way? Like if I was to
Speaker 1: if I was.
Speaker 4: To do a spell and the thing answering me told
Speaker 4: me straight up I am Satan or I am Lucifer,
Speaker 4: And it's like, oh, okay, this is exactly who I'm
Speaker 4: talking to. This happened, and like, okay, I could write
Speaker 4: this down, I could talk to people about it, and
Speaker 4: we have people that do in.
Speaker 1: What way would that entity say its name? Like would
Speaker 1: it like telekinetically would it be like in what way?
Speaker 2: It could be verbal, could be audible, could be telekinetic,
Speaker 2: could be written out. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Honestly, this is how I look at it. Like if
Speaker 1: if if I was I don't know, doing some kind
Speaker 1: of spell or something like that, right, and uh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe the cursor on the Wuiji board was
Speaker 1: like I was like, who is this and it was
Speaker 1: all I'm Satan. I'd be like, okay, well you're I.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't take that as correct. You would think, oh,
Speaker 4: it's a spirit trolling me.
Speaker 1: Really if it is correct, I look at all demons
Speaker 1: and Satan's and lucifers and all that shit as below
Speaker 1: me though, Like that's how I view that whole thing like,
Speaker 1: And so like here you are, like you don't even
Speaker 1: have a physical body. You're trying to get to me
Speaker 1: that has a physical body. I would just be like,
Speaker 1: you're below me, like you you wish you were me,
Speaker 1: and that's why you're trying to haunt me. And so
Speaker 1: I would just view them as less than nothing.
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you if you'd be worried or scared
Speaker 2: of them, I'm asking or you acknowledging that they're real
Speaker 2: and that they are who they say they are.
Speaker 7: If if they made themselves know, I mean, you would
Speaker 7: take that as no, it's not it's what No, you
Speaker 7: would you take it as, oh, it's answering me.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 1: I guess I would have to be put in that
Speaker 1: situation in order to give you a correct answer on
Speaker 1: that surf. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know because
Speaker 1: I don't think that would ever happen. That's that's my
Speaker 1: thing is soon.
Speaker 2: Doesn't communicate through Ouiji boys. That was a contrived example.
Speaker 2: But so even with presented face to face with it,
Speaker 2: you you would still question it like one plus one
Speaker 2: equaling too. You would still look at it sideways.
Speaker 1: I would really tried to get into my mind and
Speaker 1: figure out why my mind is telling me that.
Speaker 4: Again, you would not accept it. You would figure out
Speaker 4: a way to delude yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't think most of that should exist outside of
Speaker 1: the person's mind. That's that's we're looking at it from
Speaker 1: two very different perspectives, you know, like I think that
Speaker 1: the devil can't exist without you.
Speaker 3: I feel like Jacob's coming from it with an Akman's razor,
Speaker 3: kind of like, you know, the easiest conclusion is the
Speaker 3: correct conclusion, and you're thinking about it so much deeper, Jonathan,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of interesting to see both your takes
Speaker 3: on it well.
Speaker 1: And to be fair, I asked Jacob a very similar
Speaker 1: question not that long ago. Whenever I asked you if
Speaker 1: God told you to do this, Remember it was a
Speaker 1: it was a more drawn out answer that you gave me.
Speaker 1: You said, why, I'd have to really, you know, sit
Speaker 1: there and pray on it and test the spirit, and
Speaker 1: then I'd go ask I'll go ask this person, go
Speaker 1: ask that person, and so it's not not necessarily a
Speaker 1: cut and dry answers.
Speaker 2: The long form of that answer to that question was yes,
Speaker 2: I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But the thing is is that you say that
Speaker 1: you are regularly conversing with God. You have conversations regularly
Speaker 1: with God, and so my question would be why would
Speaker 1: you question it? Then?
Speaker 4: That's for the example you gave me. It was something
Speaker 4: extreme and I forget what it was. It wouldn't like
Speaker 4: kill somebody, but it was something like drastic. It's not
Speaker 4: like God's telling me to go brush my teeth. It
Speaker 4: was something like where I'd have to like, whoa what
Speaker 4: maybe like kill somebody or I forget what the example
Speaker 4: was though it.
Speaker 1: Was something messed up and contrived obviously because that's what
Speaker 1: we do over here. But like, you know, just the idea,
Speaker 1: like I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's why I would question it, because if it was
Speaker 2: if God was telling me something good to do, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't question that it came from God.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying, told me to do something negative,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't question where it came from.
Speaker 2: Bless you?
Speaker 1: Sorry about that? Well, yeah, because now you're looking at
Speaker 1: it as like God is you know, he's acting out
Speaker 1: of character, right, Like if he asked you to do
Speaker 1: something messed up and or no, not if he asked you,
Speaker 1: if he told you do something messed up, you'd be like, wait,
Speaker 1: this is this who I think it is? I thought
Speaker 1: that we were on good terms. Why are you tell
Speaker 1: me you do all this messed up shit? But there
Speaker 1: are stories in the Bible where God has asked people
Speaker 1: to do messed up shit before, right, so, and I
Speaker 1: don't think that they went and asked anybody for whatever
Speaker 1: their opinion on it was they did.
Speaker 4: Indeed, that's why we have prophets who interpret that word
Speaker 4: and tell us what the real meaning is, or at
Speaker 4: least used to.
Speaker 1: So who was old boy that you know, God told
Speaker 1: him to go go up a mountain and bring his
Speaker 1: kid up and throw him.
Speaker 3: Off, Abraham Isaac.
Speaker 1: So he went and he went and consulted somebody about
Speaker 1: that before actually doing it.
Speaker 4: I'd have to reread to be honest with you, because
Speaker 4: it was like a big deal that God would even
Speaker 4: ask him to do that in the first place. But
Speaker 4: he struggled with it. He was like he went and just.
Speaker 2: Like okay, God, let's go. Like no, he he was like, wait,
Speaker 2: I'm ninety. I tried for years for a kid. What
Speaker 2: is this?
Speaker 4: And he he tried, like wait doing this deal with God?
Speaker 4: And God was like, no, do this. I need to
Speaker 4: see if you'll Yeah. But that's my point. There was
Speaker 4: a point to it. There was a purpose to it.
Speaker 2: So if God was to tell me to do something.
Speaker 4: Crazy, whatever the case may be, I would need to
Speaker 4: test the spirit on it, and then if it was
Speaker 4: seen that yes, this is correct, this is what I'm
Speaker 4: supposed to go do, I would go do it. And
Speaker 4: if it was supposed to be a test of faith,
Speaker 4: something would stop me in the process and I would
Speaker 4: have faith of it.
Speaker 2: Like that's how this works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that my answer would be kind
Speaker 1: of relatively similar. Like I wouldn't just be like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're Satan. I would say, okay, if we're really playing
Speaker 1: that game, prove it. That's what I would say, Like
Speaker 1: if you're if you are the lord of this world,
Speaker 1: even the Bible says says so that basically that you're
Speaker 1: the lord of this world, you can make literally anything happen.
Speaker 1: All right, put a miniature elephant in my hand. I
Speaker 1: would say, so, I'm so messed up, like so crazy
Speaker 1: and contrived. If you can do it, like you control
Speaker 1: this matrix, like you should be able to do that.
Speaker 4: Right, Jonathan, I'll take this answer. You are testing the spirit,
Speaker 4: and I will take that more than man. No, it's
Speaker 4: not real, Like, no, no, you test it.
Speaker 2: You'd see what was up if you claim to be
Speaker 2: this like okay, yes, it's good. Right.
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of things, especially spiritually, that I
Speaker 1: take at face value, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: So anyway, sorry, all right, Nick, we went on.
Speaker 3: You're fine. No, it's it's all fascinating. I'm enjoying it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and that's you know, that's kind of like
Speaker 1: our our stick on this show is that we kind
Speaker 1: of just not necessarily I mean, we disagree on a lot,
Speaker 1: but it's it's through our disagreements that we learn different perspectives.
Speaker 1: And I think that that is way more powerful than
Speaker 1: being in some kind of echo chamber.
Speaker 3: And it creates great dialogue too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so some people get annoyed with it
Speaker 2: because I feel like we do this on repeat but
Speaker 2: with different nuances. But at the same time, yo, so
Speaker 2: does everybody.
Speaker 4: Everybody who's actually having these types of conversations, real deep
Speaker 4: conversations about things and stuff. They are going to go
Speaker 4: back and forth. You're gonna have a little tit for tag,
Speaker 4: You're gonna have this kind of understanding and sometimes agree
Speaker 4: to disagree, but it's like, you know, it can't.
Speaker 2: The thing is to not let it devolve into bickering,
Speaker 2: which so many people these days.
Speaker 3: Just why I can't talk about politics anymore?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. If we don't talk about politics, then
Speaker 2: how are we ever going to grow as a community.
Speaker 2: If we can't talk about religion, then how is anyone
Speaker 2: gonna understand or think with new philosophical ideas and morality?
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there's no doubt about that. Well, NIXX, what
Speaker 1: can you tell our good cult members? First off, what
Speaker 1: we can expect from you next time we have a
Speaker 1: conversation with you.
Speaker 3: So I will be covering ritualistic commicide and the type
Speaker 3: of individuals that commit ritualist to commicide and just ritualistic
Speaker 3: crimes in general, some cases that would be considered a
Speaker 3: cult or satanic crimes. Touch on the Landing Report a
Speaker 3: little bit, and so yeah, that is what's in the future.
Speaker 1: Awesome, I love it. And can you tell our good
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can find me my podcast, Digian Charters.
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Speaker 3: xto because extras me crazy. They limit your characters, they
Speaker 3: limit your pictures, they limit your video time, and so
Speaker 3: some of my better research posts are on Instagram because
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Speaker 3: and everything. But I've got guests. I got a guest
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