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<v Speaker 1>Adventist Radio London inspiration for the song anybody want to

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<v Speaker 1>make the Lord smile for your life? Everybody to rise.

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<v Speaker 2>It's nice, good evening, Good evening, and welcome to Talking Point.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Adventist Radio London and as always, we

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<v Speaker 2>are happy to have you on board and we're having

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<v Speaker 2>another meaningful and deep conversation raising awareness, this time on

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<v Speaker 2>breast cancer. It is Breast Cancer Awareness Month and the

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<v Speaker 2>theme for this month is no one should face cancer

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<v Speaker 2>alone and we're going to have a deep conversation. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got two guests who will share their experience there their

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<v Speaker 2>knowledge on the topic and hopefully we know that you

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<v Speaker 2>will be blessed for this conversation and encouraged. Always I

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<v Speaker 2>have with me my co hosts, Angela Petro. How are

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<v Speaker 2>we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Say, good evening, Good evening everyone, and welcome to Talking Points. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not too bad. Another week has flown past, I

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<v Speaker 3>think now I say that every week, but it's just

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<v Speaker 3>scary how the year has flown past and we're yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Almost in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's been a bit of a stressful week.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still getting over the loss of a friend and

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<v Speaker 3>remember at our church Angela. So it's been a bit

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<v Speaker 3>up and down, but hey, we're at another sabbath. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>blessed for that. Had a full day as usual. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>all good, all.

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<v Speaker 5>Good, good after everybody, Glad you got join us. Welcome

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about this is Pedro. My week has been fine,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, same old, same old. Use that word in

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<v Speaker 5>a while in a while, yeah, I figured I would

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<v Speaker 5>throw it out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But no.

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<v Speaker 5>Work has been good, driving a lot as usual. Both

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<v Speaker 5>my cars broke down at the same time, which is

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<v Speaker 5>unusual and for the same thing. But God blessed me

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<v Speaker 5>so I was able to get them back up and

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<v Speaker 5>running and at least one of them and pretty much.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, children, my daughter has surgier on her finger.

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<v Speaker 5>She had a very rare case on her finger. She

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<v Speaker 5>they thought it was like a cist but it was bone.

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<v Speaker 5>It was growing in her finger like going out, so

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<v Speaker 5>it's like to make it a very hard lump. So

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<v Speaker 5>she had that. So she's recuperating from that. So that's

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<v Speaker 5>about it. I mean, you know that the doctor couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>even be explained it because they've never seen it before.

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<v Speaker 5>They was kind of like it was kind of confused

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<v Speaker 5>themselves like what it was. So we're hoping that they

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<v Speaker 5>got it out and then it won't go back, because

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<v Speaker 5>that could be the fair that could go back. So

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<v Speaker 5>we'll see over time. But yeah, I know that, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody's in good health and we're good, you know, just maintaining,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, doing the same. I don't want to see

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<v Speaker 5>it again. Actually, like you said, Angela, it's like, uh,

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<v Speaker 5>just thinking about how close we are to Christmas, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's like time is really flying. To me, the weeks

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<v Speaker 5>go slow, it's the weekends that go fast. Weeks. The

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<v Speaker 5>weeks go fast, but the weekends really go fast. It's

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<v Speaker 5>like you blink and it's like it's Friday night. You're

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<v Speaker 5>blinking and it's Monday morning. Yeah, that's how it feels

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<v Speaker 5>to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah, the year is nearly done, would you

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<v Speaker 2>believe it? And I say it all the time. It

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<v Speaker 2>comes from doing weekly shows. In my case, I do

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<v Speaker 2>monthly programs, and I think as soon as you've wrapped

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<v Speaker 2>up one, here comes another. And I feel that helps

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of speed the week so long it feels

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<v Speaker 2>like you're constantly working on these projects.

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<v Speaker 5>And yeah, time working into projects because I do give

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<v Speaker 5>my marriage. Yes, between that and this and then the

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<v Speaker 5>kids and the wife and working, it's like like what

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<v Speaker 5>do you what? My goodness like, where's the time going?

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<v Speaker 2>Where does the time go?

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<v Speaker 5>We can arrest you know, I feel I mean I

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<v Speaker 5>feel you like you know how you feel?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, let me say this. We've got two guests

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<v Speaker 2>on on and I'm going to let them introduce themselves shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>A reminder maybe for people to get in touch. Perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>you have a story, perhaps.

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<v Speaker 5>You have.

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<v Speaker 2>A breast cancer journey that you'd like to share, or

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<v Speaker 2>to say how things are similar for you, what you've

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<v Speaker 2>been through, what resonates with you. We really really would

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<v Speaker 2>love to hear from you. Please do get in touch.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Studio Adventist Radio dot London, or it's eight

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<v Speaker 2>four to eight nine eight. Let's pray and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get started. Dear Henley, Fatherie, thank you for another opportunity,

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<v Speaker 2>another opportunity to have a meaningful conversation this evening about

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<v Speaker 2>breast cancer. Lord. This is a very serious topic and

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<v Speaker 2>so many struggle with cancer in general have suffered from

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<v Speaker 2>I've suffered with cancer, and Lord, I pray that this

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<v Speaker 2>conversation will be a source of inspiration and blessing and

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<v Speaker 2>encouragement to them, to us and to those who are

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<v Speaker 2>taking part. Bless the technology in Jesus name. I pray,

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<v Speaker 2>Amen and Amen, Amen wonderful. I wonder our guest there,

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<v Speaker 2>vetter Nicole. Yes, hello there, fantastic, fantastic Nicol. Why don't

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<v Speaker 2>I start with you? You were with us before, so

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<v Speaker 2>not a stranger to Talking Point, not a stranger to Arl.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a breast cancer conversation. I want to say,

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<v Speaker 2>who should idea say? I think it was April or

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<v Speaker 2>they're about twenty twenty if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>sounds so long ago. It was just under COVID, kicking

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<v Speaker 2>off of COVID, and we spoke very candidly about breast cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>We had some guests on who had experienced it intimately,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it was a very meaningful conversation. Not

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was a very meaningful conversation. So many

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<v Speaker 2>people were blessed for it. But you're back, and we

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk to you about what's been happening since

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<v Speaker 2>we want to maybe get people caught up in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what they may have missed. What are you doing now?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you do? I say, your health advocate, health

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<v Speaker 2>and well being advocate? What would you say? Nicole introduced

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to our listeners.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, thank you first of all for having me back.

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<v Speaker 6>And it has been quite a time since we spoke.

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<v Speaker 6>There many beautiful things have happened. And I say beautiful

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<v Speaker 6>because of course it's inside of the empowerment space. So yes,

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<v Speaker 6>I am a woman's health advocate, educator and I am

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<v Speaker 6>that a breast care specialist. I've been doing this for

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<v Speaker 6>twenty two years, Caribbean based, but working globally and especially

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<v Speaker 6>with our education. One of the things that has really

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<v Speaker 6>been very much a catalyst to the work that I'm

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<v Speaker 6>doing is focusing on education.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because a.

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<v Speaker 6>Woman who is diagnosed literally sometimes it's just caught up

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<v Speaker 6>in so much that is going on in that minute

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<v Speaker 6>that she has been diagnosed. She has to immediately spring

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<v Speaker 6>into action and start looking at her care, treatment, recovery

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<v Speaker 6>and rehabilitation. But the first thing she really has to

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<v Speaker 6>do is look at addressing the situation. So that is

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<v Speaker 6>one of the most traumatic times in the world for

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<v Speaker 6>any person, and it's not just the person who is

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<v Speaker 6>being diagnosed. It's their entire social support system. It's the family.

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<v Speaker 6>It's the partner, a spouse, if they're married or if

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<v Speaker 6>they in relationship.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the children.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, children might be in such school age and

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<v Speaker 6>suddenly mummy is no longer available to take it to

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<v Speaker 6>school or to help you with the homework, and suddenly

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<v Speaker 6>everything goes into upheaval inside the workplace. That woman is

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<v Speaker 6>no longer able to participate in active work in the workforce,

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<v Speaker 6>so that either reduces the income or the productivity both

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<v Speaker 6>most instances. And then of course you start to feel

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<v Speaker 6>like you are a burden to your family, your loved ones,

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<v Speaker 6>to the workforce, to everything.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's so many.

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<v Speaker 6>Psychosocial facets that that play inside of this. So you know,

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<v Speaker 6>every time a woman is diagnosed, I always said, the

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<v Speaker 6>village is actually in trouble because it's not just a

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<v Speaker 6>woman who is having a traumatic time.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 6>If she was the newspaper vendor, or the or the

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<v Speaker 6>supply of coconut water. I was using most basic examples, right,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, you know you now no longer have access

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<v Speaker 6>to your nourishment, your liquid nourishment, if you were buying

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<v Speaker 6>coconut water from her every day on the way to work,

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<v Speaker 6>if you were buying a newspaper, and no buying newspaper

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<v Speaker 6>is now something that we don't even realize that newspapers,

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<v Speaker 6>physical newspapers, anything start falling by the way, you know.

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<v Speaker 6>And of course that is just the social part of it.

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<v Speaker 6>We haven't started to talk about the clinical part. We

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<v Speaker 6>haven't started to talk about the psychological part. We haven't

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<v Speaker 6>started to talk about the financial facets, you know, in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of how is she going to pay for all

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<v Speaker 6>of this, And we have not started to talk about

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<v Speaker 6>the post surgical journey.

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<v Speaker 1>Way after a year later, two.

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<v Speaker 6>Years later, a decade later, we haven't started.

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<v Speaker 1>To deal with anything like that.

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<v Speaker 6>So my real passion and mission is around education. And

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<v Speaker 6>it was really exciting that over the last weekend I

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<v Speaker 6>was able to spend some valuable time with some of

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<v Speaker 6>my global payers inside of the industry that I'm in,

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<v Speaker 6>specifically around post operative care, and we were, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>just sharing ideas, sharing best practices, sharing issues that we

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<v Speaker 6>are dealing with and ways we have had to be

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<v Speaker 6>creative to make sure that that woman feels empowered and

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't feel like she's alone, you know, And that theme

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<v Speaker 6>for this is so apt because many times isolation and

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<v Speaker 6>loneliness sets in. So that's that's a nutshell of what

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<v Speaker 6>what I what, I will, how I will introduce myself,

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<v Speaker 6>and I could go on and on, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to start by really punctuating this conversation with a picture,

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<v Speaker 6>a picture of what happens when a woman is diagnosed,

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<v Speaker 6>and how I play a role in that journey, and

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<v Speaker 6>how I then allow her to feel empowered not just

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<v Speaker 6>on her own, but but with with people along the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. There is such thank you, Nicole, There is

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<v Speaker 2>there is, I mean, there is so much to the

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<v Speaker 2>breast cancer story, so much to to what you discuss,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think we want to unpack it, perhaps provide

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<v Speaker 2>some statistics and figures as we go along. But if

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<v Speaker 2>I can pull you back to the very beginning, what

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<v Speaker 2>was it that prompted you to get into this space?

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<v Speaker 6>So I had had many many I wouldn't I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>use the word reasons or rationales, many encounters and experiences

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<v Speaker 6>with the breast story.

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<v Speaker 1>I will call it the breast story.

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<v Speaker 7>I had my.

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<v Speaker 6>Personal challenge as an adolescent girl at nine, starting to

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<v Speaker 6>develop breasts very early, and knowing that I had a

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<v Speaker 6>pair of breasts brought with it so many other fears

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<v Speaker 6>and challenges. Also in high school at age sixteen and seventeen,

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<v Speaker 6>when we were preparing to exit the secondary school and

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<v Speaker 6>to emerge into the workforces, you know, adding our future,

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<v Speaker 6>one of my classmates was in fact diagnosed with breast cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we had encountered cancer.

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<v Speaker 6>In the village, in the community, in so many spheres

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<v Speaker 6>as I had been emerging as a woman in society

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<v Speaker 6>I had what they call cistic breast tissue. So my

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<v Speaker 6>might call, if in Layman's terms, lumpy breasts, and those

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<v Speaker 6>that we don't understand our bodies. And so I had

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<v Speaker 6>many many challenges, and that brought me to a dialogue

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<v Speaker 6>around breast health and breast care, and it brought me

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<v Speaker 6>into a space of understanding that I could either stand

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<v Speaker 6>on the sideline and watch on and be afraid, or

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<v Speaker 6>I could address this and change the lives of many,

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<v Speaker 6>and so I opted to do that. So in two

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<v Speaker 6>thousand and two I started the Social Enterprise, and in

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<v Speaker 6>But I wanted to wanted to emerge in a space

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<v Speaker 6>where I could make so much good use of changing

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<v Speaker 6>and narrative, you know, And so for me, it was

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<v Speaker 6>really about the social impact and about the work I

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<v Speaker 6>has been, and trust me, is very challenging. But it's

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<v Speaker 6>also very fulfilling to see women feel empowered and to

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<v Speaker 6>see family glow on their faces because I have done

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<v Speaker 6>something that really started where I decided that I needed

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<v Speaker 6>to create impact and to add value in a community,

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<v Speaker 6>in a space and a society, and of course, in

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<v Speaker 6>that process provide women with dignity.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so wonderful. But I don't know if Pedro Angie

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<v Speaker 2>want to jump in here, but I just I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>your story is similar to so many who have stepped

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<v Speaker 2>back from, like you said, corporate books, corporate jobs, corporate privileges,

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<v Speaker 2>high paying high flying roles to kind of give back

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<v Speaker 2>or to follow their passions, and generally passion is birth

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<v Speaker 2>from pain. It's from those messes, from those mistakes that

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<v Speaker 2>you get you understand what your purpose is. And that's

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what you've been saying. So it's really good to

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<v Speaker 2>hear it, and we're looking forward to hearing more of

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<v Speaker 2>what you've been doing in this in this health space. Angie,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Pedro, do you want to add anything here?

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<v Speaker 2>And do we want to then talk about breast cancer,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where we want to focus tonight's conversation. I

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<v Speaker 2>remember reading that one in ten women are diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 2>breast cancer every hour in the UK. I may have

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<v Speaker 2>that wrong, but but breast cancer is prevalent in the UK,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm sure Nicole will add to that that it's

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry, Okay, sorry, I was just going to say, Nicole,

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<v Speaker 3>you've mentioned obviously about wanting to change the narrative. What

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<v Speaker 3>was the narrative? And you mentioned also about education. Was

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<v Speaker 3>that something that was spoken about quite openly and quite

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<v Speaker 3>frankly always there's still a lot of sort of misconceptions

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<v Speaker 3>that I just wasn't spoken about. What was the narrative

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<v Speaker 3>that you were definitely wanted to change and to educate

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<v Speaker 3>people on.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was duality in the narrative.

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<v Speaker 6>So the first narrative was one of fear, so fear

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<v Speaker 6>because we don't know what we don't know. So there's

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<v Speaker 6>that duality of the fear of I don't want to

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<v Speaker 6>go for a mammogram, I don't want to go for screening.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm afraid to do my self examination. I am afraid

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<v Speaker 6>to go for a breast ultrasound. So its that that

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<v Speaker 6>first part of the narrative, right, the fair narrative, because

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<v Speaker 6>when a woman thinks about being diagnosed with breast cancer,

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<v Speaker 6>the first thing she thinks about is immortality. The second

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<v Speaker 6>dualism factor inside of the duality conversation or narrative is

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<v Speaker 6>that of the social pressure social pressures of taboo, also

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<v Speaker 6>the socio economic pressure of suppose I can't afford to

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<v Speaker 6>take care of myself following a diagnosis. So there were

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<v Speaker 6>these two things that to me were really pressing and

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<v Speaker 6>they're still are and in fact I had I did

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<v Speaker 6>a presentation on that in twenty nineteen, twenty eighteen for

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<v Speaker 6>the UNDP in Saint Lucia, and we started to catalyze

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<v Speaker 6>around the empowering women, and we started, you know, that

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<v Speaker 6>conversation to make sure that there was again ease of

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<v Speaker 6>talking about it. Particularly in some social settings, you'll find

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<v Speaker 6>taboo outweighs the personal fear. But again, you know, one

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<v Speaker 6>of the things that is very critical is empowering women

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<v Speaker 6>so that they understand that early detection. If I do

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<v Speaker 6>this early enough, if I have this conversation early enough,

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<v Speaker 6>if I have this conversation with people who are not

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<v Speaker 6>going to instill fear in me, or if I have

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<v Speaker 6>second or third conversation with a multiplicity of people, this

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<v Speaker 6>does not feel like I am alone, and it also

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<v Speaker 6>doesn't feel like it's a taboo anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was really the narrative.

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<v Speaker 6>Two basic narratives I needed to assist with changing. I

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<v Speaker 6>won't say I've changed them totally, but I can contribute

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<v Speaker 6>to changing those, and I think I've gotten far enough

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<v Speaker 6>with that, so those, Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>What I got from it more than anything was being

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<v Speaker 5>a father of two young girls. Is telling my wife

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<v Speaker 5>to go check them. I mean, that's be honest, just

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<v Speaker 5>because you don't realize sometimes you think it's cancer is

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<v Speaker 5>just affecting adults, but you forget that it can affect

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<v Speaker 5>your children too. And like she said, like my daughter's

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<v Speaker 5>nine or she's ten now, but she's spent developing since

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<v Speaker 5>she was nine, and she's developing at a very experiential

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<v Speaker 5>rate that I think is not natural. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>I've been told that that can happen sometimes, so you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like just you know, talking to my wife and just

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<v Speaker 5>you know, suggesting that maybe she you know, teaches her

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<v Speaker 5>or her now so she could start learning from now,

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<v Speaker 5>and you know, and my wife can also check, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>and just checking on her, just making sure because you

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<v Speaker 5>got to be self aware and like you said, nothing's taboo,

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<v Speaker 5>nothing is out of the rum. You gotta talk about

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<v Speaker 5>things that you could be prepared in case. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>you need to be prepared. So that's what I got

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<v Speaker 5>from her conversation. When anything is just soon as she

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<v Speaker 5>said that she was nine, it just took me right

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<v Speaker 5>to my kids. I was like, wow, I never even

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<v Speaker 5>thought about that. Even though you see TV and stuff

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<v Speaker 5>and children with cancer, you still don't think about it

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<v Speaker 5>like happening to you. So it's good to check in.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, that's right to clarifye, nothing happened to me

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<v Speaker 6>at nine.

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<v Speaker 5>No, no, no, I didn't say no, no, I didn't say

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<v Speaker 5>nothing happened to you. What I mean what I mean

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<v Speaker 5>in the sense of just I'm just saying like, because

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<v Speaker 5>we like you were saying, having a mamogram at a

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<v Speaker 5>you know, yet older, we have a managram. But I

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<v Speaker 5>would say more in the sense of like because like

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<v Speaker 5>I think, because let me put it this way, girls

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<v Speaker 5>developed so much faster now that I think anybody that

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<v Speaker 5>has a young girl should probably be more just to

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<v Speaker 5>make just to check and make sure, because sometimes we

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<v Speaker 5>just assume, you know, like like what if my daughter

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<v Speaker 5>is not telling us that she has lumps in her

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<v Speaker 5>breast and then then she gets sick. Like that's what

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, like being pro being proactive in in the

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<v Speaker 5>early stages, just to make sure that you know that

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<v Speaker 5>everything's okay. That's what I mean in that sense. You

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<v Speaker 5>understand what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry I said, we just don't want to scare the audience,

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<v Speaker 1>you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I no, no, no, I'm not trying to scare the audience.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm just saying, though, but we still have to

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<v Speaker 5>be we have to be parade. I think I think

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<v Speaker 5>we as people. Sometimes we get complacent and just going

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<v Speaker 5>with the flow, just going with things, and I think

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<v Speaker 5>sometimes we need to be not I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 5>scare nobody because I'm talking about for myself. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 5>about just you know, just porodically checking because you don't,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, you want to make sure. You got to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure, because you said like one in one in

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<v Speaker 5>five are diagnosed in an hour or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I got my statistics wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, well you know that well, but I mean

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<v Speaker 5>I'm pretty sure that is a high rate. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 5>the world, with the world of everything that's going on

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<v Speaker 5>in the world, there's you know, all this electrical stuff

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<v Speaker 5>and and the wires and food and the environment. It's

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<v Speaker 5>just it's and then genetics, you know, so it's just natural.

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<v Speaker 5>So that I was just more saying in the sense

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<v Speaker 5>of just it just made me more aware to be

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<v Speaker 5>more mindful because it's like something that you don't think about.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm not trying to make people get all anxiety

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<v Speaker 5>and think about it, but we have to think about

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<v Speaker 5>things like this because we have to you know, be

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<v Speaker 5>might be mindful. That's it. That's all I'm really saying.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope I'm not scaring anybody. I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 5>scare people. Not really just.

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<v Speaker 6>Wanted to no, I just wanted us to stick up

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<v Speaker 6>in there. And Pedro, it's you're correct that proactive. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>a way of being proactive is critical. So thank you

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<v Speaker 6>for saying that. And the other thing I want to

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<v Speaker 6>say to you as well, Petrol, is that men are

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<v Speaker 6>also diagnosed with cancer and.

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<v Speaker 2>The chest region.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, they are plug here at this moment, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>as we have a minute and before we forget to

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<v Speaker 6>encourage men as well to also understand that if you

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<v Speaker 6>feel anything unusual, abnormal, you see anything that doesn't feel

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<v Speaker 6>like it was there before you a week ago, a

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<v Speaker 6>month ago, a year ago, please take action as well.

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<v Speaker 6>So again, inside of that idea of being proactive, Pedro,

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<v Speaker 6>that you spoke about the men, you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 6>great to have the men inside of the conversation as

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<v Speaker 6>well as fathers, as husbands, and particularly as men who

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<v Speaker 6>want to be responsible for their health and their well being.

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<v Speaker 5>Can I answer a question on that subject in your experience?

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<v Speaker 5>In your experience, are men are men more likely to

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<v Speaker 5>go longer without Because my father, my father died of

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<v Speaker 5>cancer and he had it, but he didn't go to

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<v Speaker 5>the doctor. Yeah, he felt sick, but he didn't go

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<v Speaker 5>to the doctor because men have a stigma about going

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<v Speaker 5>to the doctor. So do you find it it's harder

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<v Speaker 5>with men to get them to understand what I mean, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So I'll teck this.

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<v Speaker 6>Over the years, we have seen and this is I'm

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<v Speaker 6>speaking now in my environment in the Caribbean particularly, we

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<v Speaker 6>have seen where a lot more public outreach is encouraging men.

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<v Speaker 1>To come forward.

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<v Speaker 6>So like health fears maybe available, and one of the

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<v Speaker 6>things that might be on the cards or that health

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<v Speaker 6>fare is free prostate screening or a voucher to go

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<v Speaker 6>get free screening for the men. And you see men coming,

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<v Speaker 6>You see men showing up, you know, especially in rural areas,

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<v Speaker 6>and you're hearing men saying, now you know, I'm going

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<v Speaker 6>to get checked. And that in itself is giving the

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<v Speaker 6>man more longevity and also helping that other third narrative

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<v Speaker 6>around the taboo of men not wanting to take charge

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<v Speaker 6>of their well being. You're seeing that being reduced. Remember,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm going to bring my dad into this. He's now deceased,

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<v Speaker 6>but I remember when he was diagnosed with prostate cancer

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<v Speaker 6>and his urologist, who I respect and regard so highly.

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<v Speaker 6>He said to my dad, he said, you're not going

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<v Speaker 6>to die of cancer, because we've sorted you out and

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<v Speaker 6>you're all clear. Now you're not going to die of

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<v Speaker 6>prostate cancer. And ten years later, my father died of

424
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<v Speaker 6>her massive heart attack where because you know, he had

425
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<v Speaker 6>literally been clear of cancer. And funny enough, my father

426
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<v Speaker 6>had seen his doctor because he was going for his

427
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<v Speaker 6>frequent checkups. Even after that diagnosis, he'll go for his

428
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<v Speaker 6>annual checkups.

429
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<v Speaker 1>And Edie would still.

430
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<v Speaker 6>Go for his routine checkups, you know, And he had

431
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<v Speaker 6>gone for a routine checkup, like just two weeks before

432
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<v Speaker 6>he passed away. And I remember when I went to

433
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<v Speaker 6>his general surgeon, his general practitioners gp to tell her,

434
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<v Speaker 6>you know, he had passed away and whatever. That woman

435
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:55.920
<v Speaker 6>almost collapsed because she was like, but I just saw

436
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:57.720
<v Speaker 6>your father and gave him a clean bill of health.

437
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<v Speaker 6>So again, you know, taking charge is one thing. And

438
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<v Speaker 6>again I don't want to put fair in anybody's souls

439
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:06.680
<v Speaker 6>at this point, but we see a lot of men

440
00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.319
<v Speaker 6>taking action, We see them being proactive, and we just

441
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.839
<v Speaker 6>want to encourage them, you know, to go for your checkups.

442
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<v Speaker 6>Frequently to extend your life and to also extend your

443
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<v Speaker 6>quality of life.

444
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<v Speaker 1>So to answer your question, Pedro.

445
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<v Speaker 6>I have seen from where I sit a lot more

446
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<v Speaker 6>men feeling comfortable to have the conversation, because it is

447
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<v Speaker 6>a very uncomfortable conversation to have, especially if you're talking

448
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<v Speaker 6>about a digital prostate examination. You know, men feel it's

449
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<v Speaker 6>a humiliating experience and all of these things. But the

450
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<v Speaker 6>other great thing is that so many new technologies are

451
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<v Speaker 6>now in place. In some ways, artificial intelligence is also

452
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<v Speaker 6>helping in the process when it's used for good.

453
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<v Speaker 1>So we're seeing.

454
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<v Speaker 6>Trends where we can get more men to be more

455
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<v Speaker 6>proactive and of course extend their life span and your

456
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<v Speaker 6>quality of life.

457
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<v Speaker 5>When you say digital, do you mean with a finger

458
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<v Speaker 5>or you mean digital like like electronically.

459
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Digitald with a finger.

460
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<v Speaker 6>That is the tradition, that was the traditional way.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we don't use you.

462
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<v Speaker 5>Don't use the word digital. That's why I was I

463
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<v Speaker 5>want to clarify. I'm sorry, that's good. Actually, I was

464
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<v Speaker 5>want to clarify because like for me, I'm like, if

465
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<v Speaker 5>you talking about medical finger because I'm like, you're putting

466
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<v Speaker 5>that finger, You're not putting that finger nowhere near me

467
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 5>like you know, or try to get the doctor, got

468
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<v Speaker 5>small hands or something. You know, but you know, that's

469
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<v Speaker 5>just me, and that's.

470
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<v Speaker 6>One that's what brought about the table a lot specifically

471
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<v Speaker 6>around the matches more culture in the Caribbean where that

472
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<v Speaker 6>would be like exactly what you just said, you're not putting.

473
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<v Speaker 1>A finger anywhere. I am not going for as.

474
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<v Speaker 6>But again, technology and so many other things have taken

475
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<v Speaker 6>you know, precedents now to help. I also choose the

476
00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:56.680
<v Speaker 6>mortality read. You know, we have to remember something, right,

477
00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 6>there's long, there's longevity.

478
00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>And then there's quality of life. If you live in long.

479
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.680
<v Speaker 6>And miserable and unhealthy and unwell, that is not quality

480
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 6>of life. But if we are taking early action and

481
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:15.279
<v Speaker 6>addressing our situations and getting people involved with us and

482
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:17.599
<v Speaker 6>be again back to the theme, no one should be alone.

483
00:28:18.119 --> 00:28:22.039
<v Speaker 6>If we're taking folks along with us, it feels better.

484
00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.839
<v Speaker 6>Like last week, I made an appointment for not just

485
00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:29.119
<v Speaker 6>me to go for my checkups, but for a few

486
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:31.599
<v Speaker 6>of the women entrepreneurs that I know, a few other

487
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:34.440
<v Speaker 6>women in my sphere. I said, okay, I've made a

488
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.799
<v Speaker 6>point once for us to go for our mammograms. And

489
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:40.559
<v Speaker 6>if you don't want a mammogram for your breast ultrasound

490
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.799
<v Speaker 6>or your exam, your hand examination, your your breast self

491
00:28:44.839 --> 00:28:47.759
<v Speaker 6>examination being done by a nurse practition or a nurse.

492
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<v Speaker 6>I said, so we go in right, and I called

493
00:28:50.160 --> 00:28:54.480
<v Speaker 6>the clinic, I made the reservation and we went together.

494
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<v Speaker 6>Because sometimes as well, you may want to do it,

495
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.039
<v Speaker 6>but you may want some company.

496
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:02.400
<v Speaker 1>The nice thing is.

497
00:29:02.319 --> 00:29:04.759
<v Speaker 6>That we've all been getting our results back and like

498
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.519
<v Speaker 6>big kids, now we're sending each other what'sapp screenshots of

499
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 6>our results. Thankfully, we've gotten good results, good outcomes. But

500
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.839
<v Speaker 6>the other thing is, you know, sometimes that's where the

501
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.759
<v Speaker 6>game changes for a lot of women. But again, if

502
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:24.440
<v Speaker 6>you're not alone, there's no way you will go through

503
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:29.160
<v Speaker 6>this on your own or feeling like there's no where

504
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.680
<v Speaker 6>to turn or that there's no one to support your journey.

505
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:36.400
<v Speaker 6>And again, let's do it early. Let's always do it

506
00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 6>proactively and early.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, perfect, Pedro. I just I'm going to come back

508
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:48.440
<v Speaker 2>to you very quickly before we move on, because you

509
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<v Speaker 2>speak about about the fear and not going to the

510
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:56.799
<v Speaker 2>doctor for whatever reason. Tell us, I mean you're a man.

511
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<v Speaker 2>What are some of the hindrance for men going and

512
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<v Speaker 2>checking whether it's cancel or any other thing. Because our

513
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 2>men are notorious like that. What are some of the

514
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:12.559
<v Speaker 2>thoughts or the hingances in your opinion that prevents our

515
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:17.119
<v Speaker 2>men from from doing these necessary health checks. Just to

516
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.000
<v Speaker 2>put you on the strength as our man on the team.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh no, I don't mind being on the spot. I

518
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.720
<v Speaker 5>think honest truth hones. Truth is that a lot of

519
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.079
<v Speaker 5>times the minute of the you know, the worker brings

520
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 5>home them, you know, the money, you know, it works out.

521
00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:30.480
<v Speaker 5>But they feel like if they they can't get sick,

522
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.839
<v Speaker 5>so they get sick. But then they just hide it.

523
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.240
<v Speaker 5>They act like they're not sick, and they just keep

524
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.359
<v Speaker 5>pushing through, powering through because they're like, we need money,

525
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.559
<v Speaker 5>we need to pay the bills. If I get sick,

526
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.240
<v Speaker 5>who's going to pay the bills, Who's going to do this,

527
00:30:43.279 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 5>Who's going to do that? That's part of the mindset

528
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:48.960
<v Speaker 5>of a man of a man thinking today. Another thing

529
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 5>is they just don't like doctors. We just don't like doctors.

530
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<v Speaker 5>Sometimes we just don't want to go to the dentist.

531
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<v Speaker 5>We don't want to go get a eyes checked, We

532
00:30:56.240 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 5>don't want to go, you know, get a jilly check up,

533
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<v Speaker 5>like they say you get the car checked every year,

534
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 5>you should get your body check. It's just I think

535
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:09.640
<v Speaker 5>it's such a generational circle that it's been happening for

536
00:31:09.680 --> 00:31:12.559
<v Speaker 5>so long. It's just a really hard thing to break.

537
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.720
<v Speaker 5>Men just men just have that that that stigma in

538
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.200
<v Speaker 5>their head that they're not supposed to get sick. So

539
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.119
<v Speaker 5>when they do actually get sick, they just think, I'll

540
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:24.599
<v Speaker 5>just take the rubbertesting, I'll just take you know, some

541
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.960
<v Speaker 5>natural remedies. I'll just take some pills and I'll be okay.

542
00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:30.440
<v Speaker 5>And then next thing they know, it's too late. They

543
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:33.880
<v Speaker 5>have full blown cancer, they have full blown any disease

544
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:39.039
<v Speaker 5>they may have. And then now they're almost incapacitated because

545
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:41.720
<v Speaker 5>they did not, you know, as soon as they felt

546
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:45.000
<v Speaker 5>something go get checked. Yeah, And that's I mean that

547
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.160
<v Speaker 5>to me as a male, that would be my Every

548
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 5>mail may have a different reason, but for me, that's

549
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:53.119
<v Speaker 5>what I feel as a male. That's what we do.

550
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:55.960
<v Speaker 5>I work in healthcare and I still don't like going

551
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.359
<v Speaker 5>to the doctor. I hate going to the hospital. I mean,

552
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.960
<v Speaker 5>I I book, I had an accident and I smashed.

553
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:08.319
<v Speaker 5>I smashed. I got a booken pelvic bone, wrist and

554
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.400
<v Speaker 5>three ribs and I only stayed in the hospital a

555
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:14.359
<v Speaker 5>week because I hated it so much. But in hindsight,

556
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 5>I should have stayed longer and actually healed, but I

557
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:19.880
<v Speaker 5>didn't give my self a chance to heal. So then

558
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:23.119
<v Speaker 5>further down the road, I'm, you know, having some hip problems.

559
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.720
<v Speaker 5>My hips kind of swelled every now, and you know,

560
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:26.960
<v Speaker 5>I should have stayed in and healed myself a little

561
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.000
<v Speaker 5>bit better than that. So it's just we just have

562
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 5>the stigma like I don't want to be here is

563
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, I just don't, you know, So we just don't.

564
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:35.519
<v Speaker 5>We tried not to be in situations we don't want

565
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 5>to be in, even though sometimes it's best to just

566
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.640
<v Speaker 5>take a minute and rest. And I thought the same

567
00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 5>thing with it was the same thing my job. I

568
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:44.319
<v Speaker 5>got to get back to work. I got to provide

569
00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.319
<v Speaker 5>for the family. If I don't work, I don't get paid.

570
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:48.759
<v Speaker 5>You know. It was all those things, like he was

571
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.079
<v Speaker 5>only give me non vacation days, so I was like,

572
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:52.519
<v Speaker 5>that's all I got, and I got to get back

573
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 5>to work, like you know. So it's it's so many

574
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:59.359
<v Speaker 5>different it's so many different factors, but more likely it's

575
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:00.640
<v Speaker 5>most likely be that factor.

576
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<v Speaker 2>I just I mean Nicole, you mentioned it, and it's

577
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<v Speaker 2>so important, so critical our support system, because we've got

578
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:09.920
<v Speaker 2>to look out for each other in terms of the women,

579
00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 2>encouraging our men in our circles to get checked, to

580
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:16.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, go to the hospital if they're sick, to

581
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.799
<v Speaker 2>find out things early enough that it can make a difference.

582
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:25.200
<v Speaker 2>And similarly, you mentioned Pedro about your girls. It's being

583
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>attentive understanding that you have a role to play as

584
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<v Speaker 2>well in terms of encouraging the women in your circle,

585
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 2>the women in our lives, to get checked, to be

586
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>familiar with their body, to be comfortable with their body

587
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:41.440
<v Speaker 2>so that they can pick up and recognize any changes

588
00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>that might need urgent attention or looking into investigating. So

589
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:49.519
<v Speaker 2>we really have to look out for each other. It's

590
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.519
<v Speaker 2>not for any one person. I mean telling my husband,

591
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<v Speaker 2>you know what, it's okay, we'll manage, we'll get through,

592
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.480
<v Speaker 2>We'll get through financial and otherwise. But I need you

593
00:33:58.559 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 2>to take care of you. These are important conversations that

594
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:06.440
<v Speaker 2>we need to keep having, need to keep having. I'm

595
00:34:06.480 --> 00:34:09.519
<v Speaker 2>going to take a little break and then we're going

596
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<v Speaker 2>to come back to have a conversation with Lovetta, who's

597
00:34:12.800 --> 00:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>been so patient and waiting in the wings we were

598
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about, and I thought, Petrol, that was an excellent

599
00:34:19.079 --> 00:34:22.760
<v Speaker 2>point to bring Levetta in. You're talking about our girls, Nicole,

600
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 2>you mentioned noticing differences in your breast test. You're at nine.

601
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Lovetta is a young person and maybe immediately you would

602
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:38.840
<v Speaker 2>not think she should have to deal with breast cancer.

603
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:41.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if we've gone away from thinking it's

604
00:34:41.760 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 2>age related or only the old suffer from breath breast

605
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:48.679
<v Speaker 2>cancer or need to be aware of their bodies. But

606
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.719
<v Speaker 2>case in point with Levetta, and I'm looking forward to

607
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.960
<v Speaker 2>hearing her story. But she's young and may not have

608
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<v Speaker 2>been paying that attention or thought she needed to pay

609
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.280
<v Speaker 2>that kind of attention. Let's hear from her what her

610
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.800
<v Speaker 2>journey has been like. And Nicole, then you can obviously

611
00:35:03.800 --> 00:35:06.360
<v Speaker 2>piggyback on what she said, and she has some insight

612
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<v Speaker 2>from your perspective. Let's take a break and then we'll

613
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<v Speaker 2>come back and speak to Love Better.

614
00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:11.239
<v Speaker 4>Bring us back.

615
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<v Speaker 2>Right, So we've come back from the break and we're

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<v Speaker 2>talking breast cancer. We've got Nicole, Joseph Chin on the

617
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<v Speaker 2>line with us, and also Love Better, so young cancer

618
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<v Speaker 2>by all accounts, breast cancer survivor. Angela. You mentioned in

619
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<v Speaker 2>the break that you've got some steps that sort of

620
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<v Speaker 2>highlight the fact that breast cancer happens at every age.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and also I mean breast cancer, interestingly enough, is

622
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<v Speaker 3>the most common cancer in the UK. And as you

623
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<v Speaker 3>took put your stats before, this is according to breast

624
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<v Speaker 3>Cancer Now the ORG, women's diagnosed every ten minutes and

625
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<v Speaker 3>around fifty five thousand women and four hundred men are

626
00:35:55.840 --> 00:36:00.320
<v Speaker 3>diagnosed with breast cancer every year in the UK. Similar

627
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 3>thing it figures globally as well, the second most common

628
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<v Speaker 3>cancer in the US.

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<v Speaker 4>And again you know, it's the higher prevalence.

630
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<v Speaker 3>And it is common more commonly sort of diagnosed in

631
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<v Speaker 3>older women. Eighty percent of breast cancers occurring women over

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<v Speaker 3>the age of fifty, and most men who get breast

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<v Speaker 3>cancer will be over the age of sixty.

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<v Speaker 4>The higher prevalence in women, and.

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<v Speaker 3>There's quite a lot of and maybe Nicole can maybe

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<v Speaker 3>speak to this later in terms of the ethnic disparities,

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<v Speaker 3>of disparities between ethnic groups as well. You know, some

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<v Speaker 3>groups have got a higher prevalence, survival rates and what

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<v Speaker 3>have you as well, and the fact that possibly you

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<v Speaker 3>can't necessarily change and you could increase your risk is

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<v Speaker 3>maybe having a family history of breast cancer as well.

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<v Speaker 3>But the age, the age concept, and again we often

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<v Speaker 3>think of in many of these illnesses and cancers as

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<v Speaker 3>something that as you get, as you get older, it

645
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<v Speaker 3>should often be a challenge because the agent wish that

646
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<v Speaker 3>you actually get sent, you know, to have your mammograms

647
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<v Speaker 3>in your checks is usually much older. And sometimes when

648
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<v Speaker 3>you might think, oh, something doesn't feel quite right, you

649
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<v Speaker 3>may go to your doctors and they kind of potentially

650
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<v Speaker 3>sometimes could brush brush was sure have you because you

651
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<v Speaker 3>know old enough and what have you? So, which is

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<v Speaker 3>quite interesting. But that'll obviously said, was bring us nicely

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<v Speaker 3>in to introduce Levettter to share her story as to

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<v Speaker 3>you know, how things transpired for her and her Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and I like the idea of the breast journey as

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<v Speaker 3>it were, as Nicolas talked about that. So Levetta, thank

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<v Speaker 3>you for joining us. Tell us a little bit about

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<v Speaker 3>yourself and yeah and what you do, and tell us

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<v Speaker 3>a little bit about your story.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, good evening, good night, as the same lenains Lovettter,

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<v Speaker 7>I just to correct then you're just a little bit

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<v Speaker 7>I am a self survivor. I'm not quite quite.

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<v Speaker 8>The clear I am.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I just turned forty actually in August, which

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<v Speaker 7>was a good, great milestone.

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<v Speaker 4>And.

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<v Speaker 7>I am taking it one day at a time.

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<v Speaker 2>M hm.

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<v Speaker 7>As they say, but in my with regards to my story.

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<v Speaker 8>M hm.

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<v Speaker 7>I actually most of the time, my friends and my family,

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<v Speaker 7>they know that I've been sick for a while. Excluding

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<v Speaker 7>the breast cancer I've been, I've been sick for a while.

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<v Speaker 7>I've had psychodosis. Well. I've also had two ship of placements,

675
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<v Speaker 7>both hips. I am on the as the spectrum. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I have a whole list of medical conditions. But it

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't until uh, probably the year after COVID twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 7>when my dad was was ill, he had been hospitalized,

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<v Speaker 7>that you know, I started to feel we went back.

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<v Speaker 7>I went back to checking actually, you know, my breasts.

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<v Speaker 7>And I was saying, because as an Angela and Nicole

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<v Speaker 7>and pedis, it's good to check. It's always good to check,

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<v Speaker 7>especially for a woman when you start, when you start

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<v Speaker 7>getting into the probably a late teens. I would say,

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<v Speaker 7>you checked chart checking more.

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<v Speaker 2>And you used to sorry to cut you, Sorry to

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<v Speaker 2>cut you? Is that you're are you saying that's your experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that you that you were checking all along.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I was checking all along, and then you know

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<v Speaker 7>it's so, you know, so you sort of life get

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<v Speaker 7>in the way and you kind of, you know, all

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<v Speaker 7>that goes to the back of your mind as you know,

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<v Speaker 7>you're either going to school or your work. You start working,

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<v Speaker 7>so you know it doesn't come back to you. But

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<v Speaker 7>then with the COVID stuff, I just thought, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>start checking again, and I didn't. There was nothing for

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<v Speaker 7>the year or so, and then my dad died and

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<v Speaker 7>about I think about three months after m HM because

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<v Speaker 7>I had been feeling a lump you know during that time,

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<v Speaker 7>but I was it kept I said, I go to

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<v Speaker 7>the GP, and I kept for getting another like, no,

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<v Speaker 7>this time, I have to go. And I went to

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<v Speaker 7>the GP and they put me to a nurse and

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<v Speaker 7>the nurse said, well, you know, I wouldn't say is

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<v Speaker 7>breast cancer, but to be on the safe side, she

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<v Speaker 7>booked me a appointment at the hospital in the breast

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<v Speaker 7>breast apartment. And I was like, yeah, went for all

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00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:28.599
<v Speaker 7>those tests and yeah, breast cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you alone and you went or what did you

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<v Speaker 2>have someone go with you?

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<v Speaker 7>When I was the GP, I went alone. M. And

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<v Speaker 7>then when she said, you know, just to be on

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<v Speaker 7>the safe side, I was like, mom, I have some

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<v Speaker 7>news to tell you. So she went with me. We

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<v Speaker 7>prayed before, prayed before that, and we went and while

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<v Speaker 7>we were waiting, you know, we were to have a

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00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.199
<v Speaker 7>little prayer, and we went into the doctor and she

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00:41:58.320 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 7>was like, back, it's cancer. And lucky for me, it was.

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<v Speaker 4>The like third.

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<v Speaker 7>Third stage. It wasn't too it wasn't too far gone,

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<v Speaker 7>but it wasn't too early either.

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<v Speaker 5>M And.

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<v Speaker 1>She looked so.

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<v Speaker 7>Sympathetic. I guess, you know, is one of her when

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<v Speaker 7>part of a job is telling you know, ladies young

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<v Speaker 7>and old, you know they've got this thing and accustomed

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<v Speaker 7>to them, you know, probably breaking down, I guess. But

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<v Speaker 7>because of the some education, I wasn't in hysterics, as

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<v Speaker 7>you would say, and I kind of made peace with

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<v Speaker 7>the thought of, you know, there is there is the

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<v Speaker 7>chance is a possibility of me having this.

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<v Speaker 2>When you say, just just to clarify, when you say education,

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<v Speaker 2>are you saying that you've you did a bit of

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<v Speaker 2>research yourself, and you did a bit of of reading,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera, just to kind of find out what what

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<v Speaker 2>this might mean for you.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and you know, I researched it and read it,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, the possible possible things that could happen, possible

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<v Speaker 7>treatments that you know, I could be recommended or on

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<v Speaker 7>the take. And also with my my mom was the

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<v Speaker 7>big part of me not being as freaked out as

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<v Speaker 7>you know somebody would be mhmm. And there was no tears,

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<v Speaker 7>no crying. The only time I did cry was asked, Mama, glad.

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<v Speaker 7>That was painful. That was very painful, and I was

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<v Speaker 7>I was telling my mom, I don't want to be here,

746
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<v Speaker 7>I don't like this place, but that would the odd

747
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<v Speaker 7>I think that that was also a release as well,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, trying to get me my body saying we

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<v Speaker 7>know that you you're nice and calm, but sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 7>good to just release any you know, earth emotions. So

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<v Speaker 7>I am. And then in twenty twenty two, my treatment started.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and what what was your treatment?

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<v Speaker 5>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Chemo?

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<v Speaker 5>Was it?

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<v Speaker 7>I had two months of chemo, which wasn't too bad,

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00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:55.960
<v Speaker 7>and then I'm months into my chemo. I started a

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<v Speaker 7>Fresco regime which I'm still on now, which is more

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<v Speaker 7>of a management management treatment which I have every see weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Nicole. Can I just ask you here, is there

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<v Speaker 2>a change in the landscape for breast cancer? Have you

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<v Speaker 2>noticed a change in the landscape for breast cancer over

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<v Speaker 2>the years. Are you seeing a difference in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>more younger persons being diagnosed? Are you seeing anti touched

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<v Speaker 2>on that? Is there a difference in demographic and ethnicities?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you seeing any changes in that respect?

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<v Speaker 6>So, yes, the demographic has been constantly changing globally, globally

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<v Speaker 6>and particularly heightened in certain socio ecn strata, specifically because

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<v Speaker 6>of things like dietary and environmental issues. Of course, genetics

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<v Speaker 6>play is a very key role, and in a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of instances ethnicity too, particularly brown or mixed races, and

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<v Speaker 6>particularly with strains of you know, different variations. So in

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<v Speaker 6>terms of the demographic age particularly, you see younger women

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<v Speaker 6>being diagnosed beauty about and I use the word beauty,

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<v Speaker 6>but I don't take it lightly when I use it.

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<v Speaker 6>But the good thing about it is that once detected

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<v Speaker 6>early and once a category that can be treated and

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<v Speaker 6>most can, we find that longevity starts to be.

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<v Speaker 1>The real reality for that woman.

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<v Speaker 6>Again, that's why it's important to do routine checks and

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<v Speaker 6>to be self aware and to be very familiar with

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00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:12.039
<v Speaker 6>our bodies and to understand if something is feeling uncomfortable,

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<v Speaker 6>we don't wait, you know, Love Thatta, I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 6>that you took the opportunity to make sure that you

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<v Speaker 6>were going to get screening because of a suspicion.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know that is actually.

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<v Speaker 6>What gives women the chance to address their health care,

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<v Speaker 6>to walk through a manageable health care program or regime,

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<v Speaker 6>and then to come out triumphantly, even if it means that, Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>I now have to adjust my life, adjust my lifestyle,

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<v Speaker 6>make some radical changes, reduce my stress levels. You know,

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<v Speaker 6>stress has come up as one of the catalysts in

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<v Speaker 6>most instances, in many instances, high stressed environments, high stress relationships,

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<v Speaker 6>high stress in terms of workforce, workplace. So there's so

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<v Speaker 6>many social, environmental, and then of course clinical facets that

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<v Speaker 6>are all responsible collectively or all contributed. But yes, to

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<v Speaker 6>answer your question, there have been there has been earlier diagnoses,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, throughout many, many women who are diagnosed, and

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<v Speaker 6>the great thing, the really really good thing is that

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<v Speaker 6>they can be treated once detected early.

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<v Speaker 2>And you spoke earlier about your passion for education and love.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, for sharing, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>dial with a little bit more. I'm sure Anti and

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<v Speaker 2>Petro has questions, but you spoke about that you said

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<v Speaker 2>about being educated and how that helped you to prepare

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<v Speaker 2>for the moment. I mean, you were hopeful that it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 2>but you are also realistic that it could have been,

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<v Speaker 2>and you did the research, you understood what this might

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<v Speaker 2>mean for you, and therefore you were less overwhelmed, less hysterical,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously, obviously we're going to touch on that you're

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<v Speaker 2>a woman of faith. Your mom is such such a

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<v Speaker 2>prayer warrior, and I'm certain that had a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>do with them and how you have journeyed through this process. Angie,

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<v Speaker 2>sorry losing my voice, Angie Pedro, do you have any

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<v Speaker 2>questions for at this point?

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<v Speaker 3>Solah, thank you so much for sharing your story and

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<v Speaker 3>your experience in this. Just to go back to when

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<v Speaker 3>you first as you mentioned, when you first received your diagnosis,

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00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:46.599
<v Speaker 3>you know you weren't necessarily hysterics, But going forward, what

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<v Speaker 3>has been that sort of suppose for you, what has

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<v Speaker 3>been the hardest part of this journey, maybe in those

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<v Speaker 3>kind of initial periods of diagnosis and starting treatment, what's

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<v Speaker 3>been the hardest thing for you so far, would you say.

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<v Speaker 7>So, it's mostly the increase in appointments, scans. I have

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<v Speaker 7>to have scans in my eyes, blood tests and echo

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<v Speaker 7>every three months to make sure that my heart is

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<v Speaker 7>up to the job of all the treatments that I'm getting,

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<v Speaker 7>so is yeah, and then you know, if it's not,

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<v Speaker 7>then what happens? Then do I have to stop the treatments?

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<v Speaker 7>And something happened, else happened. So it was you know,

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<v Speaker 7>it's stress with a little bit in that regard, and

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<v Speaker 7>then telling telling the rest of my family because at

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<v Speaker 7>the moment only because during my dad died before my diagnosis, Yes,

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<v Speaker 7>he died in the year of my diagnosis, right, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>it was it was a bit you know, you know

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<v Speaker 7>here and there, and also yeah, most of my family

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<v Speaker 7>either at the Caribbean nor America, so tell them as well.

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<v Speaker 7>And then getting my you know, telling my mom on

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<v Speaker 7>top of you know, her lids and her husband.

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<v Speaker 5>It was.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a bit of overwhelming in that respect. And

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<v Speaker 7>then my sister, my younger sister is also she's studying,

843
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.519
<v Speaker 7>but she's not studying in the UK. She's studying in

844
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:43.559
<v Speaker 7>South Korea, so she couldn't even be there in some

845
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 7>place I was, you know, comforting her because she could

846
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 7>be there.

847
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:48.800
<v Speaker 4>For me, right right.

848
00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so important that the support network that we have.

849
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>And I think it was Nicole who mentioned it earlier

850
00:52:00.239 --> 00:52:03.800
<v Speaker 2>that sometimes with a diagnosis you feel more like a burden.

851
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.119
<v Speaker 2>You feel like you're the one, you know now depending

852
00:52:08.119 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 2>so much on your family and I'm needing so much

853
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that you become a burden and that that is a

854
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:20.760
<v Speaker 2>difficult process or a difficult feeling. So yeah, mentioning that

855
00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:24.639
<v Speaker 2>and recognizing that, I'm certain must be must have been

856
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:27.960
<v Speaker 2>have been hard on top of whatever else you were

857
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.119
<v Speaker 2>going through, in particular loss of your dad.

858
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:38.559
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, sorry, you know the automatic response

859
00:52:38.599 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 7>if somebody asks you, oh, are you play some fine?

860
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:47.320
<v Speaker 7>Oh I'm good, And because I've been sick so much,

861
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:51.880
<v Speaker 7>that was my response, you know, I if I'm feeling

862
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 7>okay on that day, I'm like, of course, you know,

863
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:56.679
<v Speaker 7>I'm fine, I'm good. But my family has been so

864
00:52:56.840 --> 00:53:01.519
<v Speaker 7>tuned to me and so supportive that they know any nuance,

865
00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:05.320
<v Speaker 7>they know the nuances of the arm fines, so they

866
00:53:05.360 --> 00:53:09.679
<v Speaker 7>will delve into if they if they find a particular nuance,

867
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.239
<v Speaker 7>I don't know I don't know it myself, but they

868
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.639
<v Speaker 7>seem to to have caught on to something. They will do,

869
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:20.280
<v Speaker 7>they will dig in a little bit more. They you know,

870
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:25.360
<v Speaker 7>are you in pain or is there is there something?

871
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.519
<v Speaker 7>Are you feeling naughtseo or are you you're feeling a

872
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:33.760
<v Speaker 7>bit sick dizzy? So, you know, having being close to

873
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:38.000
<v Speaker 7>family is also one of the big things I would say,

874
00:53:38.079 --> 00:53:41.840
<v Speaker 7>is you know, it's one thing that you want to have,

875
00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 7>especially when you're going through something like this.

876
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 2>M hmm.

877
00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.639
<v Speaker 3>It's interesting to say that because my next question was

878
00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:50.559
<v Speaker 3>kind of going to be, you know, my theme for

879
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 3>this month, know one she'd face breast cancer alone. I

880
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.159
<v Speaker 3>was going to ask you what does that theme mean

881
00:53:56.199 --> 00:53:59.840
<v Speaker 3>to you personally and how does that how would that

882
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:03.079
<v Speaker 3>innate with you? And you've kind of mentioned that obviously,

883
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:07.199
<v Speaker 3>you know, having family and a strong support system around you,

884
00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 3>But is there anything else that you would add when

885
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:10.679
<v Speaker 3>you sort of think about that theme.

886
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:18.880
<v Speaker 7>It's having the peace of mind to know, you know,

887
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.400
<v Speaker 7>stuff is going to happen in life mm hmm. And

888
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.519
<v Speaker 7>it's either you wail up wail about it, or you

889
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 7>take refuge in you know what God has promised that

890
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:36.480
<v Speaker 7>you'll never be alone. Even if you don't have family

891
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.719
<v Speaker 7>at this time or friends around you at this time,

892
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:39.880
<v Speaker 7>you won't be alone.

893
00:54:40.519 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Right.

894
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:43.840
<v Speaker 7>So yeah, a lot of people ask me, how are

895
00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:48.400
<v Speaker 7>you so calm? Like why would I not be? And

896
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 7>what would be the point of me stressing out anyway?

897
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Right?

898
00:54:54.960 --> 00:54:59.239
<v Speaker 7>So that's that's my little.

899
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:02.000
<v Speaker 5>Thing I learned. I learned a long time ago that

900
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:05.400
<v Speaker 5>stress will actually cost more harm than good. Yeah, you know,

901
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:09.079
<v Speaker 5>it's hard to not stress, but with what you're going through,

902
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:13.760
<v Speaker 5>if you stress, you'll just get sicker. It's like it's

903
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.960
<v Speaker 5>years ago. I read this book and the first line

904
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:19.559
<v Speaker 5>in the book was that stress kills you more. Stress

905
00:55:19.599 --> 00:55:21.639
<v Speaker 5>is a number one killer, more than heart attack, more

906
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 5>than drugs, more than anything in this world. Stress is

907
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.960
<v Speaker 5>the writing factor that can cause you to lose your life,

908
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:33.440
<v Speaker 5>you know, to make the whatever you're having progress faster.

909
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:36.840
<v Speaker 5>Angela kind of still like done that because I was

910
00:55:36.840 --> 00:55:39.920
<v Speaker 5>going to ask you that question, what would you say

911
00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:44.000
<v Speaker 5>as a person that has is going through this? So

912
00:55:44.039 --> 00:55:46.519
<v Speaker 5>I guess I rephrase it like this, what would you say?

913
00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:49.320
<v Speaker 5>What would you say to a person that has been

914
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:54.239
<v Speaker 5>diagnosed recently that may be feeling like they said, like,

915
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:56.920
<v Speaker 5>you know, they're more of a burden than a than

916
00:55:56.960 --> 00:56:02.440
<v Speaker 5>anything else. What would be your advice to them, and

917
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:05.199
<v Speaker 5>the importance of what you kind of touched on it

918
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:10.880
<v Speaker 5>with your family being there for you, the importance of

919
00:56:10.920 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 5>the family helping you to understand. But yet is it harder?

920
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.519
<v Speaker 5>Is it harder for you to accept the help because

921
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 5>you know, sometimes people don't accept help. Is it harder

922
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.880
<v Speaker 5>for you to accept the help or me?

923
00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:31.840
<v Speaker 7>Pers me personally? I accept all help if I can.

924
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:38.400
<v Speaker 7>It's just like most people, they don't. I would prefer

925
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:41.519
<v Speaker 7>to be asked most sometimes, especially if it's like a

926
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 7>simple thing, you know, ask, you know, ask, because some

927
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:48.400
<v Speaker 7>people just assume that maybe you know, you want this

928
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.760
<v Speaker 7>help or you need this help when you know you're

929
00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.960
<v Speaker 7>okay doing it on your own. But you may say, okay,

930
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:56.920
<v Speaker 7>you know such a you know social and such, can

931
00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:01.159
<v Speaker 7>you just help me with this? Some people, yeah, when

932
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.119
<v Speaker 7>they think that they are bred it is because some

933
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:09.239
<v Speaker 7>people just rush to help them without asking, or they think,

934
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:13.440
<v Speaker 7>you know, I don't don't want to ask because then

935
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 7>I feel guilty that they have to come, as you know,

936
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Speaker 7>take time out of their time and help me. Whereas

937
00:57:22.320 --> 00:57:26.840
<v Speaker 7>if you the person who's feeling a burden doesn't understand

938
00:57:26.920 --> 00:57:33.880
<v Speaker 7>that who is helping them, especially their family would feel

939
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 7>even more burden or more guilty not helping, because then

940
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.719
<v Speaker 7>you're like, oh, you know, if something happens, especially when

941
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:46.400
<v Speaker 7>they're sick, and they don't tell their family or their friends,

942
00:57:47.039 --> 00:57:50.320
<v Speaker 7>and then either they pass away or they get sicker

943
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:53.639
<v Speaker 7>or you know, in the hospitalized, then their friends and something,

944
00:57:53.639 --> 00:57:56.239
<v Speaker 7>they're like, how can I not know? How did I

945
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:58.800
<v Speaker 7>not know? And I see them every day? How did

946
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:04.239
<v Speaker 7>I not know? So it's best, I would say, it's

947
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:08.840
<v Speaker 7>best to tell them and then maybe you can go through. Okay,

948
00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:11.519
<v Speaker 7>this is what help I would need, or this is

949
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:15.360
<v Speaker 7>what help I would prefer, instead of you not just

950
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:19.559
<v Speaker 7>saying I don't want to. I don't want to say

951
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:24.679
<v Speaker 7>anything because I don't want to. No, inconvenience them in a.

952
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:28.480
<v Speaker 5>Way, right, so that the person should actually should ask

953
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.400
<v Speaker 5>the person what they need instead of assuming you know

954
00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:32.159
<v Speaker 5>what you're saying.

955
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah about having conversations is what I'm getting. Just having

956
00:58:37.280 --> 00:58:42.119
<v Speaker 2>conversations establish what, what's what's good, what's not, what I

957
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:44.679
<v Speaker 2>would like, what I won't like, what would work for me.

958
00:58:45.840 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 2>We don't often have those conversations that we shy away

959
00:58:48.679 --> 00:58:50.079
<v Speaker 2>from them.

960
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:51.679
<v Speaker 5>It's kind of like what we learned when we did

961
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:58.360
<v Speaker 5>the program on grief. That's why they're just not saying

962
00:58:58.400 --> 00:58:59.920
<v Speaker 5>the the first thing that comes out your mouth, but

963
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:03.280
<v Speaker 5>actually like ask a question and I actually listen to

964
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:06.639
<v Speaker 5>the person to what they're saying, yeah, yeah, and then

965
00:59:06.800 --> 00:59:09.599
<v Speaker 5>acting on what they ask for, even if you don't

966
00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 5>agree with it, because I think sometimes too people think, oh,

967
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:14.840
<v Speaker 5>that's not what she wants, she wants this, so they

968
00:59:15.199 --> 00:59:17.719
<v Speaker 5>do what they think you want. It's not what you want,

969
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:19.760
<v Speaker 5>and then you're like, I didn't ask for that. Then

970
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:21.719
<v Speaker 5>they get irritated be like, but that's not what I

971
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.719
<v Speaker 5>ask for. So it's kind of like that same concept

972
00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:25.320
<v Speaker 5>in that sense.

973
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:30.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And also then you know, sometimes when you ask

974
00:59:30.519 --> 00:59:33.639
<v Speaker 7>how are you, you know, how are you you okay? Some

975
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.920
<v Speaker 7>people they just say how are you okay? And they

976
00:59:35.920 --> 00:59:39.159
<v Speaker 7>don't even wait for the answer. So I've had that

977
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:42.400
<v Speaker 7>issu experience, like I've wanted to say something, you know,

978
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 7>like oh I'm not feeling that good, or to just

979
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:46.760
<v Speaker 7>have a little talk with somebody. I mean, ask how

980
00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:48.679
<v Speaker 7>are you okay? You know, how are you? And I'm like,

981
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.000
<v Speaker 7>and they didn't even wait for me to to take

982
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.800
<v Speaker 7>a breath. To report your client they've gone at the door,

983
00:59:54.840 --> 01:00:00.119
<v Speaker 7>and I'm like, oh, okay, I'll just you know, to

984
01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:03.960
<v Speaker 7>take it that. It's always if you ask somebody if

985
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:07.159
<v Speaker 7>they're okay, especially if you know that they're sick or

986
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:10.679
<v Speaker 7>you just recently land that they're ill. You know, even

987
01:00:10.679 --> 01:00:13.599
<v Speaker 7>if you're in a rush, just wait for that little

988
01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 7>poor let's have a little pause. You know, they might say,

989
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:20.440
<v Speaker 7>you know, or today it wasn't too good. And then

990
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:25.000
<v Speaker 7>you know, maybe even if it's just five minutes, say okay, oh,

991
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:30.159
<v Speaker 7>you know, give me a call or I'll call you.

992
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.039
<v Speaker 7>And then so when when you have more time later,

993
01:00:34.280 --> 01:00:36.880
<v Speaker 7>then you can actually have that response. You just say

994
01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.760
<v Speaker 7>then to not let them even take a breath before

995
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:43.440
<v Speaker 7>they respond. So that was one that was one of

996
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:46.960
<v Speaker 7>the I think that was one of the the things

997
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 7>that got me a little bit down when when you know,

998
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.840
<v Speaker 7>especially when I got diagnosed with breast cancer.

999
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:01.480
<v Speaker 2>M because can I can I ask you to jump

1000
01:01:01.480 --> 01:01:04.559
<v Speaker 2>in here and kind of talk from your own experience

1001
01:01:04.760 --> 01:01:08.679
<v Speaker 2>and the work that you do. What are some of

1002
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:13.280
<v Speaker 2>the issues that you see our women who are suffering

1003
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.840
<v Speaker 2>with breast cancer present in terms of their support network.

1004
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:19.800
<v Speaker 2>What are some of the things they're saying, are they

1005
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:22.800
<v Speaker 2>getting support? Is it difficult to get support? How would

1006
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:27.320
<v Speaker 2>you advise persons like theveter or persons who are supporting

1007
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:31.719
<v Speaker 2>people with breast cancer. How do you navigate that space?

1008
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:36.039
<v Speaker 6>So, first of all, there are a few layers of

1009
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:40.239
<v Speaker 6>support that we must look at. So I remember when

1010
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:43.880
<v Speaker 6>I started doing my work many years ago. One of

1011
01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:46.679
<v Speaker 6>the things that I found in my consultancy, because we

1012
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:50.960
<v Speaker 6>do a consult a consultation and most times when a

1013
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:54.760
<v Speaker 6>woman came into a consulting space, when we asked a

1014
01:01:54.760 --> 01:01:59.000
<v Speaker 6>certain question, she did not have the answers, and that

1015
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.360
<v Speaker 6>brought me to a point of feeling very, very sad

1016
01:02:02.400 --> 01:02:06.119
<v Speaker 6>about where this was going to end up, not so

1017
01:02:06.320 --> 01:02:12.119
<v Speaker 6>much for her treatment, but for her rehabilitative journey. And

1018
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:15.800
<v Speaker 6>so some of those questions are really not questions that

1019
01:02:16.599 --> 01:02:18.679
<v Speaker 6>I asked in a day.

1020
01:02:18.599 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 5>You know.

1021
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.199
<v Speaker 6>So I had to come up with a way to

1022
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.800
<v Speaker 6>make sure that whilst I was asking those questions, I

1023
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:30.280
<v Speaker 6>wasn't imposing some additional level of discomfort to most women.

1024
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.440
<v Speaker 6>And when that happened, I recognized I had some extra

1025
01:02:34.480 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 6>work to do. And one of the things that I

1026
01:02:36.599 --> 01:02:39.559
<v Speaker 6>do very well is I look for gaps and in

1027
01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:45.559
<v Speaker 6>finding those gaps, especially in mainstream post surgical care and

1028
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:48.199
<v Speaker 6>that kind of thing. When I find the gaps, what

1029
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.760
<v Speaker 6>I do is I fill it with a solution. I'm

1030
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.000
<v Speaker 6>not going to be dredged, you know, dwelling on the problem.

1031
01:02:53.480 --> 01:02:56.440
<v Speaker 6>I find a way to create a solution. So funny enough,

1032
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:01.880
<v Speaker 6>yesterday was the the twentieth of this This month was

1033
01:03:02.000 --> 01:03:06.320
<v Speaker 6>actually the fourteenth anniversary of a book that I created

1034
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.719
<v Speaker 6>called The Treatment Companion. And what that did was it

1035
01:03:10.760 --> 01:03:18.719
<v Speaker 6>added an additional layer of care, documentation, self awareness that

1036
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:23.840
<v Speaker 6>could be expressed inside of a journal, so to speak.

1037
01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:27.599
<v Speaker 6>And what that does and what that has done over

1038
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:31.400
<v Speaker 6>the years, is it gives the woman a companion that

1039
01:03:31.440 --> 01:03:35.519
<v Speaker 6>she can literally have immediately at hand. It is easy

1040
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:38.679
<v Speaker 6>to use. It could fit in a pocket book. It's

1041
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, pocket size for ease of use. When I

1042
01:03:41.039 --> 01:03:44.159
<v Speaker 6>said pocket like a handbag size. And the other thing

1043
01:03:44.199 --> 01:03:48.480
<v Speaker 6>it does is it also helps the entire social and

1044
01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 6>clinical support community because she can then I mean, one

1045
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:56.199
<v Speaker 6>of the things that we know happens is brain fog

1046
01:03:56.599 --> 01:04:01.119
<v Speaker 6>and overwhelm, and so in that sphere of Wellman brain fog,

1047
01:04:01.599 --> 01:04:04.880
<v Speaker 6>a woman can now use this tool. And I love

1048
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:08.039
<v Speaker 6>creating tools and we've created a lot she can use

1049
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 6>this tool to now navigate her journey of treatment, recovery,

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<v Speaker 6>and rehabilitation. And so when she uses this, even if

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01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:23.519
<v Speaker 6>she has to refer to something that was totally in

1052
01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:26.039
<v Speaker 6>her mind at the tirement is not totally out because

1053
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:29.719
<v Speaker 6>oh my gosh, I forgot. This tool has been able

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01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.440
<v Speaker 6>to help become a reference tool where I can go

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01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:35.960
<v Speaker 6>back to my doctor and if my doctor asks, okay,

1056
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:39.119
<v Speaker 6>so what was that feeling like, I have a documentation

1057
01:04:39.199 --> 01:04:41.960
<v Speaker 6>of what that feeling was like last Tuesday or ten

1058
01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:45.280
<v Speaker 6>tuesdays ago, because of course this is part of my

1059
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:50.320
<v Speaker 6>recovery journey and my treatment. So again, if my family

1060
01:04:50.480 --> 01:04:53.760
<v Speaker 6>or family member wants to reference something and I am

1061
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:57.199
<v Speaker 6>not able to recall or to go back to it, now,

1062
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:01.199
<v Speaker 6>my family can use this tool, my caregivers can use

1063
01:05:01.239 --> 01:05:03.840
<v Speaker 6>this tool, my clinicians can use this tool, and I

1064
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:04.719
<v Speaker 6>can use this tool.

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01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:07.079
<v Speaker 1>So that was one of the things I did.

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01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 6>Because what we find as well is that there are

1067
01:05:10.920 --> 01:05:15.559
<v Speaker 6>support communities. There could be like physical support communities, like

1068
01:05:15.679 --> 01:05:19.920
<v Speaker 6>let's say a support group, there's always that family support

1069
01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:21.800
<v Speaker 6>and many times, you know, when we have a kind

1070
01:05:21.840 --> 01:05:25.119
<v Speaker 6>I'm speaking from my perspective now, when we have a consultation,

1071
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.480
<v Speaker 6>sometimes the family, the entire family comes. I would give

1072
01:05:28.480 --> 01:05:31.320
<v Speaker 6>you a beautiful story. I like to give beautiful stories.

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01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:34.840
<v Speaker 6>Last year, a mother in law called me. She said,

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01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:37.760
<v Speaker 6>my daughter in law was diagnosed breast cancer. So they

1075
01:05:37.840 --> 01:05:41.840
<v Speaker 6>made the appointment to come. When they came, the mother

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01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:46.920
<v Speaker 6>in law came, the husband came, her sister came, her

1077
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:50.719
<v Speaker 6>mother came, She came, and their nine year old son came.

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01:05:52.199 --> 01:05:54.519
<v Speaker 6>And we had been taking care of them with all

1079
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:58.000
<v Speaker 6>the post surgical apparatus that they need, everything that they require.

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01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.920
<v Speaker 6>And one of the things I like to do as

1081
01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:04.719
<v Speaker 6>well is when when I am in the area, if

1082
01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:06.800
<v Speaker 6>I am closed by your house, I'm going to come

1083
01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:07.440
<v Speaker 6>and visit you.

1084
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:11.159
<v Speaker 1>Of course I will call first. So she told me

1085
01:06:11.280 --> 01:06:11.840
<v Speaker 1>about you.

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01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.320
<v Speaker 6>So I'd seen her for like about a year already

1087
01:06:14.320 --> 01:06:16.880
<v Speaker 6>by that time, and one day she called me and

1088
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:18.400
<v Speaker 6>she said, I have some news for you, you know,

1089
01:06:18.480 --> 01:06:20.159
<v Speaker 6>but I want to see you and what I want

1090
01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:22.239
<v Speaker 6>to tell you, and you know, in in your presence.

1091
01:06:22.280 --> 01:06:23.599
<v Speaker 1>I want to be physically present.

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01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:26.679
<v Speaker 6>So I had a meeting down it isn't she was

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01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:28.639
<v Speaker 6>in the south of vieland I had a meeting down south,

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01:06:28.679 --> 01:06:29.639
<v Speaker 6>and I decided.

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01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:29.760
<v Speaker 7>Let me go.

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01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.239
<v Speaker 6>And when I passed by to see her, she said

1097
01:06:34.280 --> 01:06:37.800
<v Speaker 6>to me, and this was after chemo, after radiation, after

1098
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:41.239
<v Speaker 6>a mastectomy, of course, she said to me, I am pregnant.

1099
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:45.559
<v Speaker 6>I am expecting our second child. So you know, I

1100
01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:49.199
<v Speaker 6>was literally I was excited, I was ecstatic, I was prayerful,

1101
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:50.079
<v Speaker 6>I was thankful.

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01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:51.159
<v Speaker 1>We were all grateful.

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01:06:51.639 --> 01:06:55.199
<v Speaker 6>But again, that support system she brought literally when she

1104
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:59.199
<v Speaker 6>came for her consultation, she brought her entire support system.

1105
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:02.239
<v Speaker 6>But besides her bringing them, theyre brought her because they

1106
01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:06.079
<v Speaker 6>were literally carrying her through this journey. And you see

1107
01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:07.800
<v Speaker 6>that a lot. You see that a lot, you mean.

1108
01:07:07.880 --> 01:07:11.119
<v Speaker 6>Levetta talked about her mom being there with her. She

1109
01:07:11.159 --> 01:07:14.199
<v Speaker 6>also talked about her faith inside of the journey, and

1110
01:07:14.239 --> 01:07:17.440
<v Speaker 6>we cannot negate faith inside of this as well, we

1111
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:22.559
<v Speaker 6>have to make sure that we also recognize the value

1112
01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:25.679
<v Speaker 6>that faith plays in this. So the support is, again,

1113
01:07:25.719 --> 01:07:28.360
<v Speaker 6>as I said earlier, at many layers. So it's your faith,

1114
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:31.480
<v Speaker 6>it's your family, it's your friendships, because some people, their

1115
01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:35.280
<v Speaker 6>friends are really that community. It might be your co workers,

1116
01:07:35.360 --> 01:07:38.119
<v Speaker 6>it might be your village, and then it might be

1117
01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:42.920
<v Speaker 6>that co heart of people who have a like minded

1118
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:48.280
<v Speaker 6>experience or similar lived experience. It might be survivors like yourself.

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01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:53.159
<v Speaker 6>So support is critical, it is important.

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01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:55.880
<v Speaker 1>It takes on many features. Some people will tell you.

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01:07:56.159 --> 01:07:57.639
<v Speaker 6>I know a man who said, I don't want to

1122
01:07:57.639 --> 01:07:59.360
<v Speaker 6>be in a support group because everyone might talk to

1123
01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:01.920
<v Speaker 6>women and a group that get me depressed, They get

1124
01:08:01.960 --> 01:08:04.559
<v Speaker 6>me upset, they get me angry. So I don't want

1125
01:08:04.559 --> 01:08:06.199
<v Speaker 6>to be in a support group. But guess what, I

1126
01:08:06.280 --> 01:08:09.400
<v Speaker 6>have lovely books, I can read, I have my prayers,

1127
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:12.400
<v Speaker 6>I have my faith community. Some of them would say,

1128
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:16.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, I go to the beach. So again, that support,

1129
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:21.279
<v Speaker 6>besides human beings and besides being in you know, palpable

1130
01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:26.000
<v Speaker 6>ways that we can acknowledge and recognize, it might also

1131
01:08:26.159 --> 01:08:30.920
<v Speaker 6>be some people's inward strength. It might be some people's

1132
01:08:30.960 --> 01:08:34.520
<v Speaker 6>will power. And I am going to tell you about

1133
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:39.239
<v Speaker 6>two women. I'm going to share this about two survivors

1134
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:41.600
<v Speaker 6>that I have. Three actually, let me bring three of

1135
01:08:41.640 --> 01:08:44.920
<v Speaker 6>them into this conversation. One of them is two of

1136
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:47.239
<v Speaker 6>them are named Cheryl, and I actually call a detail

1137
01:08:47.279 --> 01:08:51.720
<v Speaker 6>of two Cheryls. One Cheryl she had been diagnosed and

1138
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:56.079
<v Speaker 6>she always talks about her three breast cancer adventures because

1139
01:08:56.079 --> 01:08:59.600
<v Speaker 6>she was diagnosed and then she was diagnosed a few

1140
01:08:59.640 --> 01:09:02.319
<v Speaker 6>years later later, so she's had over the years of

1141
01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:06.640
<v Speaker 6>double or bilateral masterectomy, but not immediately and with previous

1142
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.159
<v Speaker 6>you know, with with with a gap between her diagnoses.

1143
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.720
<v Speaker 6>But Cheryl, I remember one time came to me with

1144
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:17.159
<v Speaker 6>her doctor's order, her doctor's prescription, and this was to

1145
01:09:17.239 --> 01:09:20.720
<v Speaker 6>get her medical things because right after her surgery, my

1146
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:23.840
<v Speaker 6>lady decided she wanted to travel and she wanted to

1147
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:27.399
<v Speaker 6>go abroad to do some training in her field of work.

1148
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.039
<v Speaker 6>And she asked her doctor, her surgeon, you know, and

1149
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:32.079
<v Speaker 6>he gave for the okay. Of course, he gave for

1150
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:33.840
<v Speaker 6>the okay with a look. And then he said, well,

1151
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:35.439
<v Speaker 6>I have to go by miss Profit because she has

1152
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:37.399
<v Speaker 6>to take of you before you travel. So that's the

1153
01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:41.640
<v Speaker 6>first Cheryl. She is now a survivor for more than

1154
01:09:41.680 --> 01:09:44.840
<v Speaker 6>a decade. I would say it's probably about eighteen years.

1155
01:09:44.840 --> 01:09:48.239
<v Speaker 6>We've been taking care of Cheryl, and interestingly enough, we've

1156
01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:51.680
<v Speaker 6>actually seen multiple generations of her family, not due to

1157
01:09:51.760 --> 01:09:55.600
<v Speaker 6>breast cancer, but due to our bra fitting work. And

1158
01:09:55.640 --> 01:09:59.359
<v Speaker 6>then there's the other Cheryl who actually this year, just

1159
01:09:59.359 --> 01:10:04.079
<v Speaker 6>about two months ago, was representing Trinidad and Tobago, her

1160
01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:09.760
<v Speaker 6>country of birth at the Master's Olympics. And again that's

1161
01:10:09.840 --> 01:10:14.479
<v Speaker 6>because she is a champion in her fear of athletics,

1162
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:19.760
<v Speaker 6>and she is sixty eight. But she is also again

1163
01:10:19.880 --> 01:10:22.920
<v Speaker 6>because of one her support network, her faith and her

1164
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:27.000
<v Speaker 6>family and community and her mind, you know, being very

1165
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:31.960
<v Speaker 6>very challenged by doing things such as athletics and keeping active.

1166
01:10:32.560 --> 01:10:37.039
<v Speaker 1>She was in was it Sweden? Throw and shot put on?

1167
01:10:37.159 --> 01:10:43.000
<v Speaker 6>Discuss fordad and Tobago, right, And the other woman is Barbara,

1168
01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:45.800
<v Speaker 6>and Barbara is a is a top of strength. When

1169
01:10:45.840 --> 01:10:49.000
<v Speaker 6>I talked to Barbara, Barbara gives me all the courage

1170
01:10:49.039 --> 01:10:53.359
<v Speaker 6>because again she has been I remember when she was

1171
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:55.439
<v Speaker 6>diagnosed and she was going for chemo. She had long

1172
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:59.239
<v Speaker 6>dread locks down to her hips. And she is a judge,

1173
01:10:59.279 --> 01:11:01.920
<v Speaker 6>you know, she's actually in the judiciary, but she would

1174
01:11:02.000 --> 01:11:03.000
<v Speaker 6>go to Keemoon.

1175
01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:07.800
<v Speaker 1>And go to court and I'm like, what of where

1176
01:11:07.920 --> 01:11:09.920
<v Speaker 1>power and stamina do you have?

1177
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:13.640
<v Speaker 6>But again it was inside and then it was around,

1178
01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:17.199
<v Speaker 6>you know, So it's a combination. And I'm never going

1179
01:11:17.239 --> 01:11:19.720
<v Speaker 6>to challenge a woman who says she can't do it,

1180
01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:21.800
<v Speaker 6>or she doesn't have the strength, or she doesn't have

1181
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:24.680
<v Speaker 6>the courage, or she doesn't have the support because it's real,

1182
01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:29.880
<v Speaker 6>but there are layers, and there are layers that make

1183
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:36.479
<v Speaker 6>us feel that women really are, in fact superheroes. That's it, superheroes.

1184
01:11:38.520 --> 01:11:43.000
<v Speaker 2>I want to say, I agree, Yes, I love that

1185
01:11:43.439 --> 01:11:47.479
<v Speaker 2>we are in arguing here we are, we are, we

1186
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.840
<v Speaker 2>are so much so that probably we don't get the

1187
01:11:50.920 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 2>gear and we don't seek the help that we need.

1188
01:11:54.039 --> 01:11:58.640
<v Speaker 2>And that's maybe the flip side to it. But absolutely

1189
01:11:58.680 --> 01:12:04.439
<v Speaker 2>I give every woman they came absolutely. Thank you very much, Nicole.

1190
01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:06.760
<v Speaker 2>I think what we'll do now is just flip into

1191
01:12:06.800 --> 01:12:11.239
<v Speaker 2>some of the myths I'm surrounding breast cancer, and I

1192
01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:13.880
<v Speaker 2>want to start by asking, Love. I know I've been

1193
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:15.880
<v Speaker 2>bringing you in a lot of the conversation, so thank

1194
01:12:15.920 --> 01:12:20.560
<v Speaker 2>you for staying with us. What what surprised you most?

1195
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:24.520
<v Speaker 2>You said you educated yourself, you prepared yourself, or or

1196
01:12:24.560 --> 01:12:28.520
<v Speaker 2>what you thought would be this breast cancer journey. Has

1197
01:12:28.560 --> 01:12:31.359
<v Speaker 2>there been any surprise? Is anything that you thought you'd

1198
01:12:31.439 --> 01:12:34.319
<v Speaker 2>noticed but it didn't happen as you thought it would.

1199
01:12:34.479 --> 01:12:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know when we talked cancer, we talked

1200
01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:40.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, hear loss, so we talk about being weak

1201
01:12:40.840 --> 01:12:43.800
<v Speaker 2>and and warn and not being able to eat and

1202
01:12:43.840 --> 01:12:47.479
<v Speaker 2>all that kind of stuff. Did you see that. Did

1203
01:12:47.520 --> 01:12:50.119
<v Speaker 2>you not? Did that surprise you? What?

1204
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:50.159
<v Speaker 7>What?

1205
01:12:50.560 --> 01:12:50.920
<v Speaker 2>What?

1206
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:51.479
<v Speaker 4>What?

1207
01:12:51.479 --> 01:12:53.520
<v Speaker 2>What are some of the things that you didn't expect

1208
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to see that you saw or vice versa.

1209
01:12:59.319 --> 01:13:00.760
<v Speaker 7>Well, I didn't spread.

1210
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell it. Can I just say before you

1211
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.079
<v Speaker 2>continue love that, I just want to let our listeners

1212
01:13:08.119 --> 01:13:12.079
<v Speaker 2>know that you very much accepted the invitation last minute

1213
01:13:12.079 --> 01:13:14.039
<v Speaker 2>to come on here, and I thought that's so grave.

1214
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.319
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, very very very much. I know we we

1215
01:13:17.359 --> 01:13:20.279
<v Speaker 2>didn't have any pre conversations. You didn't have any pre

1216
01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, any warning or anything like that. So you've

1217
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:25.239
<v Speaker 2>come on and you've just decided, you know what you're

1218
01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:28.239
<v Speaker 2>You're willing to talk about this and hopefully encourage someone.

1219
01:13:28.239 --> 01:13:30.359
<v Speaker 2>So I want to make sure that the listeners understand

1220
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:32.640
<v Speaker 2>where you come from here. And I want to thank

1221
01:13:32.680 --> 01:13:34.279
<v Speaker 2>you again for willing.

1222
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:38.079
<v Speaker 7>Your phone call. I thought it was like a catch

1223
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:40.000
<v Speaker 7>up phone call, but it was an invitation phone call.

1224
01:13:40.039 --> 01:13:43.560
<v Speaker 2>It was an invitation about five minutes ago. But yes, anyway,

1225
01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:47.800
<v Speaker 2>tell me what what surprised you about the breast cancer?

1226
01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:54.520
<v Speaker 7>I did hear loss? Actually I went down to what

1227
01:13:54.560 --> 01:14:02.880
<v Speaker 7>my little brother called baby Ostrich here and yeah, he

1228
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:07.920
<v Speaker 7>actually he actually helped me. I tried to keep it

1229
01:14:07.960 --> 01:14:12.000
<v Speaker 7>as long as possible. But one day I was brushing it,

1230
01:14:12.159 --> 01:14:14.840
<v Speaker 7>not even roughly, just gently, and it was coming out

1231
01:14:14.880 --> 01:14:16.720
<v Speaker 7>in clubs. So I was like, Okay, it's time to go.

1232
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:23.960
<v Speaker 7>But yeah, my she's not. She wasn't the on collogist.

1233
01:14:25.039 --> 01:14:26.640
<v Speaker 7>She was the breath counter specialist.

1234
01:14:27.479 --> 01:14:27.920
<v Speaker 4>She was.

1235
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:30.520
<v Speaker 7>She was very much. When I went in for my consort,

1236
01:14:30.560 --> 01:14:32.359
<v Speaker 7>she will say, you know, you will you lose your

1237
01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:35.399
<v Speaker 7>hair if you do get chemo, and I was like, okay,

1238
01:14:35.439 --> 01:14:38.239
<v Speaker 7>that's fine, and she she was. I think she was

1239
01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:43.039
<v Speaker 7>surprised at the the level of the calmnces, which I accepted.

1240
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:44.840
<v Speaker 7>Here lost So I was like, because I told her, no,

1241
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.079
<v Speaker 7>I look, I look great in wigs. I have a

1242
01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:52.399
<v Speaker 7>whole week collection. Don't worry about that. So that was that.

1243
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:56.279
<v Speaker 7>But the I think one of the unexpected things was

1244
01:14:56.920 --> 01:15:02.800
<v Speaker 7>I got insomnia so I could go. It was like

1245
01:15:03.199 --> 01:15:08.319
<v Speaker 7>the whole days would I sleep maybe one or two hours? Okay,

1246
01:15:10.039 --> 01:15:16.039
<v Speaker 7>so you don't really hear that, No, you hear more. Yeah,

1247
01:15:17.319 --> 01:15:23.960
<v Speaker 7>but yeah, I got. But sometimes I'll be it'll be five,

1248
01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:30.560
<v Speaker 7>my mam or whoever will go to sleep, run about nine,

1249
01:15:30.600 --> 01:15:33.560
<v Speaker 7>but I'll be up until it's light again the next morning,

1250
01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:37.760
<v Speaker 7>so until the next morning and maybe then sleep with

1251
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:41.560
<v Speaker 7>an hour and then get up again. Were worried that

1252
01:15:41.880 --> 01:15:43.279
<v Speaker 7>was what it was.

1253
01:15:44.319 --> 01:15:49.199
<v Speaker 2>It's you do you think that's what it was?

1254
01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:49.800
<v Speaker 6>So I.

1255
01:15:52.039 --> 01:15:55.000
<v Speaker 7>Did, I did, you know. I did talk to my

1256
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.319
<v Speaker 7>ecologists about that. Who was who was a very nice man.

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<v Speaker 7>He was doctor. He was so good. He is very

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<v Speaker 7>supportive as well. And one of the first things he

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<v Speaker 7>asked when we came in me and my mom was

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<v Speaker 7>do we believe in God? So my mom was like, no,

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<v Speaker 7>this is the doctor to have. Yes, he is one

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<v Speaker 7>to have. But yeah, and so he said, as long

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<v Speaker 7>as you're you know, you don't feel any excessive tiredness

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<v Speaker 7>after that or and you're not you yourself are not

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<v Speaker 7>worried about that, and you're getting at least some sleep,

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<v Speaker 7>he said, it's it's a bit normal. So he said

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<v Speaker 7>some yes, some people do have it. Now I'm back,

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<v Speaker 7>I will sleep at night. My body is like nope,

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<v Speaker 7>Now nine o'clock comes and like time to go to bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well we'll make sure that you're you're ready for

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<v Speaker 2>bed soon. We'll keep it too much longer.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, And that thing, that's what's the only thing,

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<v Speaker 7>was yeah, insomnia, and it wasn't lack of appetite, but

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<v Speaker 7>I would eat and get tired or let me halfway

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<v Speaker 7>through a meal and my body is like, you have

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<v Speaker 7>to rest.

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<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, I've heard of that as well.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, that was surprising to me. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>sometime I take two or three spoonfuls of or something

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<v Speaker 7>and then verry, I have to wait a bit or

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<v Speaker 7>have a lit a nap before I have to eat again.

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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, that was that was the only thing that

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<v Speaker 7>was unexpected that I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, Nicole, can I bring you back in then? And

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<v Speaker 2>can otherwise?

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<v Speaker 7>That most of the things I had read about.

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<v Speaker 2>Read about okay, fair enough Nicole, And of course, of course.

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<v Speaker 5>I got the name Lovetta. You should get kids, right? No, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>said again, No, you asked the question. I did ask

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<v Speaker 5>a question, but I don't remember, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>if I should ask it. No, she doesn't have kids, Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know, I don't. I'm sorry, then the question

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<v Speaker 5>applied it. I don't know why I thought you said

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<v Speaker 5>earlier when I was listening, so I apologize. Maybe it's

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<v Speaker 5>I'm getting them confused. Hey boy, my apologies.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay. I was just asking Nicole if she you

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<v Speaker 2>know what other metal or or in educating our listeners,

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<v Speaker 2>what what should they prepare for or what might be

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<v Speaker 2>surprising to them in terms of what usually is told

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of breast cancer but may not be as

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<v Speaker 2>applicable now as it was before. Or then what's some

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<v Speaker 2>of the myths?

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<v Speaker 6>Right, So some of the therapies, truly, everybody's experience or

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<v Speaker 6>response might be different. And then with most of them,

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<v Speaker 6>there are common factors in those therapies, like most chemo

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<v Speaker 6>drugs will induce hair loss. Of course they'll be medical

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<v Speaker 6>menopause or clinical menopause due to uh some of the

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<v Speaker 6>medications and treatments, and so there are these realities. But

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<v Speaker 6>of course every woman would respond differently. I remember the

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<v Speaker 6>very Sherry, the one, the one who had her three

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<v Speaker 6>breast cancer adventures. I remember her. She went shopping for wigs,

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<v Speaker 6>and she always gives this a whig story, right, and

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01:19:46.359 --> 01:19:48.640
<v Speaker 6>her dream was always away of blond wig. She bought

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<v Speaker 6>herself this fancy, really famous blonde wig, and she used it.

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<v Speaker 6>But then suddenly when her hair grew back, of course,

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<v Speaker 6>where she had gray hair, it grew back jet black,

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01:19:59.720 --> 01:20:02.039
<v Speaker 6>you know, So she had this newy growth of hair

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<v Speaker 6>following chemo that was a little unusual and common from

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<v Speaker 6>what natural hair prediagnosis was. The other thing is, I'll

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<v Speaker 6>tell you I've had women who have had mass tectomies

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01:20:15.119 --> 01:20:18.680
<v Speaker 6>were not candidates for reconstruction. We're wearing breast prostices that

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<v Speaker 6>we fit them with and then became, you know, decided,

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<v Speaker 6>oh my gosh, I'm going to get married and I

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<v Speaker 6>need to get a strap less bran and I want

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<v Speaker 6>to become a bride that wears a traditional dress. We've

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<v Speaker 6>outfitted mass tectomy brides and that's been so exciting because

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<v Speaker 6>you don't have to believe the night that after you've

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<v Speaker 6>lost a breast or being diagnosed breast cancer, you've lost

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<v Speaker 6>your femininity and you've lost your identity. So I've it

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<v Speaker 6>worked to women who we've fitted post surgically for beautiful

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01:20:50.520 --> 01:20:55.239
<v Speaker 6>bridal gowns, maternity bras for at least breastfeeding on one

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<v Speaker 6>side because one breast has been removed. So there are

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<v Speaker 6>so many things, so I sex, sexuality, femininity, you're your

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<v Speaker 6>sense of libido, you know, your feeling of feeling like

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<v Speaker 6>a woman, and all of these other things. Going to

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<v Speaker 6>the beach, only grown up conversations are what we need

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<v Speaker 6>to have. Yes, women going to the beach especially, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>I always tell women when you're especially when you're living

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<v Speaker 6>in the Caribbean and you're living in the tropics.

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<v Speaker 1>Let yourself enjoy the beach. It's part of your healing.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 6>It's really really so therapeutic to be able to use

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<v Speaker 6>the ocean, which you're getting for free because men people

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01:21:29.960 --> 01:21:30.600
<v Speaker 6>love to buy a.

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<v Speaker 1>Ticket to go access the ocean.

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<v Speaker 6>So please enjoy nature, enjoy the outdoors, embrace your femininity.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't believe that because you've lost a breast, a man

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<v Speaker 6>is not going to be attracted to you.

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<v Speaker 1>And so many other things. You know, and I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you this laughter once you could laugh laugh.

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<v Speaker 6>Because laughter has truly proven itself to be the best medicine,

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<v Speaker 6>and there have been instances where we see it. The Cheryl,

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01:22:03.279 --> 01:22:06.800
<v Speaker 6>the one with the Three Adventures, she became a happiness

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<v Speaker 6>coach following her diagnoses because she recognized that happiness was

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01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:14.039
<v Speaker 6>actually what took her through her journey.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, so she has been.

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<v Speaker 1>Empowering people to just be happy.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know, every time we think about an event

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<v Speaker 6>or activity where we have women and having conversations around

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01:22:26.479 --> 01:22:33.800
<v Speaker 6>a diagnosis, I'm often very very enticed and excited and

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<v Speaker 6>moved to introduce every woman to my two cherls and

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<v Speaker 6>my barbera.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. I love it. In fact, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's so much now, but there

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<v Speaker 2>certainly is no need to associate breast cancer with a

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<v Speaker 2>death that with a death sentence. There is so much

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<v Speaker 2>that has been done in this fair and in this

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01:22:58.960 --> 01:23:02.880
<v Speaker 2>in this area that we can with early diagnosis. We've

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<v Speaker 2>hammered that point throughout the program. There is help, there

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<v Speaker 2>is there is healing. So we just want to encourage

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<v Speaker 2>our women and our men to do the work to

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<v Speaker 2>make sure that they check, they double check, they insist

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<v Speaker 2>so that they can have early diagnosis if anything seems amiss.

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<v Speaker 2>And absolutely, I mean one of the myths, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure if it is a myth now, but it's

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01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:29.800
<v Speaker 2>certainly comforting to know that breast cancer is not a

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<v Speaker 2>death sentence. There is so much that can be done

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<v Speaker 2>and so many people survive it. Also, Nicole, you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>it in terms of mindset. How important mindset is, how

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<v Speaker 2>important having the right attitude, laughing, praying, you know, going

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<v Speaker 2>to the beach, having fun, How important these things are.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I dare say, maybe not as much as chema,

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01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:03.760
<v Speaker 2>but certainly it plays a vital role in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>healing and restoration. Angel have anything to add to that, No,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Just kind of said that, but identally VIDEO agree, and

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<v Speaker 3>I guess this is where our faith will come into

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<v Speaker 3>will come into this.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, we know.

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<v Speaker 3>If you are people of faith, you know that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the God's word is full of promises, full of words

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<v Speaker 3>of encouragement, you know. And again where you mentioned about

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<v Speaker 3>you know, letting people know hopefully people will be praying

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<v Speaker 3>for you, you know, and you know, praying, encouraging, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>So all of those things can kind of feed into that.

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<v Speaker 3>So definitely, how.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that all of that?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it's not always easy because I think that

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<v Speaker 3>level of being intentional with the I've got to get

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<v Speaker 3>my mindset right because the real years, you may have

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<v Speaker 3>your low days, you know, when you're not feeling so

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01:25:04.159 --> 01:25:07.039
<v Speaker 3>wearly you've had treatment, and even though you know that's

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01:25:07.079 --> 01:25:11.039
<v Speaker 3>going to help you, it's not an easy ride, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think it is also you know, being able

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of manage those feelings as well and recognizing

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<v Speaker 3>that those days may come. But you know, there is

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<v Speaker 3>a bright light of the end as it were, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're going to take a break now. Thanks Angie,

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to take a break now and then love

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<v Speaker 2>if we come back with you just giving any final

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01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.359
<v Speaker 2>words or any words of encouraging to anybody who may

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<v Speaker 2>be going through what you've been through, any tips that's

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<v Speaker 2>from your perspective, any advice from your perspective. And Nicole,

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<v Speaker 2>we want to end with you in terms of what

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing now. I know you're in DC, and I

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01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:54.720
<v Speaker 2>know it's work related. Maybe just shared a little bit

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01:25:54.760 --> 01:25:59.359
<v Speaker 2>about what you've been doing since we last spoke work wise,

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01:25:59.520 --> 01:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>tell us a bit more about graphit and what's next

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01:26:03.199 --> 01:26:05.640
<v Speaker 2>for you. So we'll take a break and then we'll

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<v Speaker 2>come back and close with these few things and anything

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01:26:07.880 --> 01:26:12.479
<v Speaker 2>else that and Angela, Pejoe you might want to add,

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01:26:13.119 --> 01:26:15.359
<v Speaker 2>we'll do that, and then we'll close out our conversation

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<v Speaker 2>this evening. So let's take a break, another song and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll be back. Welcome back to Talking Point as

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<v Speaker 2>we wrap up another wonderful conversation, informative conversation, educational conversation,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're talking breast cancer awareness. Leavetta, thank you again

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<v Speaker 2>for accepting the invitation to join us and very last

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<v Speaker 2>minute as well, and for sharing your story. We wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to ask to end, what advice would you give would

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<v Speaker 2>you give someone who is going through what you've been

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01:26:52.640 --> 01:26:56.840
<v Speaker 2>through and what you are going through the journey of

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<v Speaker 2>breast cancer.

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<v Speaker 7>The only advice I would say is, especially if you're

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<v Speaker 7>a person who has strong faith, heap that m heat

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<v Speaker 7>that even when you have family around, sometimes you know

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01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:26.119
<v Speaker 7>they can be overwhelming and they don't mean to be,

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<v Speaker 7>but sometimes you just want to go off into a

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01:27:29.840 --> 01:27:33.239
<v Speaker 7>room or have some time to yourself, you know, some

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01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:37.920
<v Speaker 7>quiet time, and faith is a big part of that.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, what I have done, what I've started to

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01:27:41.600 --> 01:27:47.760
<v Speaker 7>do since years ago, was talk to God just as

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<v Speaker 7>if he was right there in the room sitting next

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01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:53.800
<v Speaker 7>to me, and you know, just you know, tell him

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01:27:53.800 --> 01:28:01.279
<v Speaker 7>about my day or even if you're complain Yeah, just

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01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:04.000
<v Speaker 7>talk as if you know you have your best friend there.

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01:28:05.239 --> 01:28:07.439
<v Speaker 7>How you would talk to your best friend and over

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01:28:07.439 --> 01:28:10.680
<v Speaker 7>the phon annoying person. That's how I started to talk

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<v Speaker 7>to God and I found that helped me so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Another thing is accept the accept help.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>You may you may think you know you don't want

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01:28:27.119 --> 01:28:30.680
<v Speaker 7>to inconvenience anybody, or you know you're a bit shy

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01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:34.640
<v Speaker 7>about it. But your friends and your family are there

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01:28:35.199 --> 01:28:38.000
<v Speaker 7>to support you and to help you out in whatever

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<v Speaker 7>way they can. And one of those is to help

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<v Speaker 7>you to accept it. You know you can, you can

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<v Speaker 7>tell them no, of course, you know, or you know

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<v Speaker 7>it's too much. But once the help is offered or

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<v Speaker 7>even given, accept it. Another thing is laugh as often

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<v Speaker 7>as you can, Like Nicole said, laugh even if you

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01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:11.000
<v Speaker 7>have to find a funny video on YouTube or wherever

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01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:15.560
<v Speaker 7>to start it, you does just laugh. This is one

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01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:19.960
<v Speaker 7>of the big things me and my family do. We

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01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:22.319
<v Speaker 7>find a funny video, we share it, we laugh, We

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01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:23.800
<v Speaker 7>laugh as much as possible.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 7>And that has, you know, you relieve stress, It relieves

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01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.600
<v Speaker 7>some of the pent up you know, anxiety you may have,

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01:29:36.039 --> 01:29:40.720
<v Speaker 7>and it helps you, you know, through your day to day.

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<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, love it.

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<v Speaker 3>And never said do you have a I love I

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01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:48.359
<v Speaker 3>love what you're saying in terms of speaking to God

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01:29:48.399 --> 01:29:49.439
<v Speaker 3>as if he's sitting.

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01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:50.159
<v Speaker 4>Right next to you.

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01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:52.920
<v Speaker 3>And I know I mentioned before that there are many,

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01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:56.399
<v Speaker 3>you know, texts in God's where that are there for encouragement.

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01:29:56.439 --> 01:30:00.159
<v Speaker 3>Do you have a particular favorite Bible text, or you

1479
01:30:00.159 --> 01:30:02.199
<v Speaker 3>have a song or anything that you kind of have

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01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:05.319
<v Speaker 3>found that you kind of go to, is your go to.

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01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:08.439
<v Speaker 4>Form of support or anything.

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01:30:10.960 --> 01:30:11.439
<v Speaker 6>I have.

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<v Speaker 7>I have many, but one of my one of my

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01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:20.600
<v Speaker 7>ones is trust in the Lord with all your heart

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01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:24.079
<v Speaker 7>and lean not on your own understanding and in all

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01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:27.000
<v Speaker 7>your ways acknowledge Him and he will direct your path.

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<v Speaker 7>A love that, Yeah, and that has got me through

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01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:37.159
<v Speaker 7>because I may not understand why. I was, you know,

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01:30:37.279 --> 01:30:39.880
<v Speaker 7>suddenly I have all of this because I was like,

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01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:44.680
<v Speaker 7>I have all of these problems already and now this

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01:30:44.800 --> 01:30:51.560
<v Speaker 7>additional thing, so you know, and I was like, as

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01:30:51.560 --> 01:30:56.000
<v Speaker 7>they say, in case the raster, whatever will be will be,

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01:30:56.800 --> 01:31:00.439
<v Speaker 7>the future is not mine to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you've got such a positive attitude. It's it's amazing

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01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to see and to hear and to I mean, as

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01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.359
<v Speaker 2>you said, it's what's it is what has gotten you

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01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:18.479
<v Speaker 2>through this and it's just something to admire. It really is,

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01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:23.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's an inspiration to us all. Like you said,

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01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:27.399
<v Speaker 2>we may not know why, and our struggles will differ.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not cancer for us all. It's not you know,

1501
01:31:30.279 --> 01:31:34.319
<v Speaker 2>a lot of job or a health situation even but

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01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:37.479
<v Speaker 2>we all have our struggles and to approach them with

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01:31:37.560 --> 01:31:41.439
<v Speaker 2>that attitude I think will do us all good. Yeah,

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01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:46.560
<v Speaker 2>and just to piggyback on that, what what what support

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01:31:46.560 --> 01:31:48.479
<v Speaker 2>have you had from your church family? I have to

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01:31:48.520 --> 01:31:56.600
<v Speaker 2>shout out if Ilford Central Yes, very yeah, they have

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01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:01.520
<v Speaker 2>been amazing icy C. You know every type well every

1508
01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:06.760
<v Speaker 2>time they see me, you know, especially like the older folk,

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01:32:07.079 --> 01:32:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the older ladies, you know, oh you know you like,

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01:32:10.840 --> 01:32:11.840
<v Speaker 2>are you okay today?

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01:32:11.960 --> 01:32:16.439
<v Speaker 7>You know this week? How was your week? Or they like,

1512
01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:20.760
<v Speaker 7>you know, they see me or they'll ask me, are

1513
01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:25.640
<v Speaker 7>you feeling okay? Because if I look like I'm tired?

1514
01:32:26.399 --> 01:32:28.720
<v Speaker 7>Some people tell me them do you need some tea?

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01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:35.159
<v Speaker 7>You see? Teas a bit thing everybody because mostly Caribbean,

1516
01:32:35.279 --> 01:32:40.720
<v Speaker 7>everybody like some tea color I have this, Some somebody

1517
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:48.520
<v Speaker 7>has some kind of tea in their purse. So yeah,

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01:32:49.199 --> 01:32:53.840
<v Speaker 7>they they have been great. I don't think everybody knows

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01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:57.760
<v Speaker 7>about my dad noticed, but those who do or are

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01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:03.319
<v Speaker 7>where that I've been ill from before, you know, they

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01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:06.560
<v Speaker 7>they're all every every time they see me or even

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01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:09.880
<v Speaker 7>if they have to send me a WhatsApp message ask me,

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01:33:09.920 --> 01:33:11.319
<v Speaker 7>you know you okay, You're doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>M hm, yes, love it. That's what we need to hear.

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01:33:17.239 --> 01:33:20.119
<v Speaker 2>That's what we like to hear, and our community is

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01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:23.760
<v Speaker 2>being there for us and being supportive in the ways

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01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:28.920
<v Speaker 2>that they they need to and not everybody, Not everybody

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01:33:29.000 --> 01:33:32.960
<v Speaker 2>has that, and not everybody gets support from a church community.

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01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, Angela, you're going to share with us

1530
01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>some of the other networks and support groups out there

1531
01:33:39.159 --> 01:33:42.960
<v Speaker 2>for people who may not have the church family but

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01:33:44.800 --> 01:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>can find support. There's loads in the UK certainly, and

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01:33:48.560 --> 01:33:51.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure if you did a good Google search wherever

1534
01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>you are listening, you'd be able to tap into two

1535
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:59.680
<v Speaker 2>resources in your local area. But before we get there, Nicole,

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01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>thank you, and our time is fast spent. But let

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01:34:03.960 --> 01:34:05.840
<v Speaker 2>us know what you're doing now. I know you're in DC,

1538
01:34:06.640 --> 01:34:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and I know it's a work venture and you're doing

1539
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:13.199
<v Speaker 2>loans in this space. Tell us a little bit more

1540
01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:16.199
<v Speaker 2>about what you are doing currently, what's next for you,

1541
01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:19.600
<v Speaker 2>and how people can leverage your resources. You spoke about

1542
01:34:19.600 --> 01:34:23.479
<v Speaker 2>a workbook earlier that certain people may want to get

1543
01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:26.560
<v Speaker 2>their hands on. How do people connect with you?

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01:34:29.399 --> 01:34:32.399
<v Speaker 6>So how do people connect with us? We have a

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01:34:32.439 --> 01:34:37.800
<v Speaker 6>website and it's misprofit dot com, so it's msbr fit

1546
01:34:38.039 --> 01:34:42.520
<v Speaker 6>dot com worldwide. We can also be reached via WhatsApp

1547
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:47.560
<v Speaker 6>because we also do virtual consultations, so we can be

1548
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:51.600
<v Speaker 6>reached on WhatsApp and that is plus one eight six

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01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:56.199
<v Speaker 6>eight seven five five one four ninety six. We're also

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01:34:56.239 --> 01:34:58.720
<v Speaker 6>on all social media and if you Google us, you

1551
01:34:58.760 --> 01:35:01.920
<v Speaker 6>would find us, so it's easy for us to be

1552
01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:05.119
<v Speaker 6>found globally and online virtually.

1553
01:35:06.279 --> 01:35:07.159
<v Speaker 1>What are we doing.

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01:35:07.239 --> 01:35:14.000
<v Speaker 6>We are reimagining breast care, and it's because there have

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01:35:14.199 --> 01:35:16.720
<v Speaker 6>been so many strides that we have made over the

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01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:23.960
<v Speaker 6>years in creating and curating breast health and breast care solutions,

1557
01:35:24.479 --> 01:35:29.079
<v Speaker 6>particularly that empower women and girls. So some of the

1558
01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:31.560
<v Speaker 6>things we've done over the last few years since we spoke,

1559
01:35:32.279 --> 01:35:37.159
<v Speaker 6>we have created quite a few solutions that are more

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01:35:37.319 --> 01:35:42.920
<v Speaker 6>intervention based in terms of engaging conversations and again of

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01:35:42.960 --> 01:35:48.359
<v Speaker 6>course removing some of the taboos our education programs. We've

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01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:52.359
<v Speaker 6>always been taking them into like corporate spaces and into

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01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:55.319
<v Speaker 6>grassroots community, so that hasn't stopped.

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01:35:56.239 --> 01:35:58.760
<v Speaker 1>One of the things we just did.

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<v Speaker 6>Over the last few days over the weekend naturally, so

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01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:06.479
<v Speaker 6>like two days ago, was begin that reimagining of post

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01:36:06.600 --> 01:36:12.119
<v Speaker 6>surgical care for women, post mastectomy care, and we are

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01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:16.680
<v Speaker 6>going to be launching some new initiatives and new products

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01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:20.520
<v Speaker 6>that women can use. Most women that come to us

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01:36:20.640 --> 01:36:22.560
<v Speaker 6>might come for a bra or might come for a

1571
01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:28.199
<v Speaker 6>breast prost thesis. We do have lots of other solutions

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01:36:28.239 --> 01:36:31.319
<v Speaker 6>and interventions that we have over the years once we

1573
01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:35.520
<v Speaker 6>found a gap created for them, so we are about

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01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:38.439
<v Speaker 6>to launch some of them. We are about to introduce

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01:36:39.000 --> 01:36:44.119
<v Speaker 6>a little bit of skin care into that domain, because

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01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:48.079
<v Speaker 6>sometimes women come to us after a referral from a

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01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:52.600
<v Speaker 6>dermatologist and it might have been because of another skin

1578
01:36:52.920 --> 01:36:58.279
<v Speaker 6>issue that may have presented itself. Our skin products are

1579
01:36:58.359 --> 01:37:01.720
<v Speaker 6>not going to be medically base, but they're going to

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01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:06.760
<v Speaker 6>be more in the area of aromatherapy and aromatic and

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01:37:07.079 --> 01:37:11.520
<v Speaker 6>natural products, so that it's not going to in any

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01:37:11.560 --> 01:37:15.399
<v Speaker 6>way cause any additional you know, skin trauma or anything

1583
01:37:15.479 --> 01:37:17.840
<v Speaker 6>like that. But we found it was a necessity and

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01:37:17.880 --> 01:37:20.520
<v Speaker 6>we've been working on that since during the pandemic, during

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01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:25.720
<v Speaker 6>like twenty seventeen and then right throughout the entire lockdown,

1586
01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:29.520
<v Speaker 6>we were testing and trying out stuff. So we feel

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01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:31.319
<v Speaker 6>like that's the next thing that's going to happen. So

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01:37:31.399 --> 01:37:34.319
<v Speaker 6>you're not hearing it first, you're actually.

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01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:38.119
<v Speaker 1>Hearing it first. This is an exclusion, but we are

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01:37:38.199 --> 01:37:41.000
<v Speaker 1>really reimagining.

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<v Speaker 6>The entire experience of the breast, from the first layer

1592
01:37:46.399 --> 01:37:50.840
<v Speaker 6>of clothing right through to the conversation about it, because

1593
01:37:50.880 --> 01:37:55.840
<v Speaker 6>we recognize that if we do not have those conversations

1594
01:37:56.199 --> 01:37:59.840
<v Speaker 6>with those who really have are having the first hand experience,

1595
01:38:00.760 --> 01:38:04.319
<v Speaker 6>the conversation is going to get lost in translation because

1596
01:38:04.960 --> 01:38:09.039
<v Speaker 6>those without the first hand experience are going to be

1597
01:38:09.159 --> 01:38:17.920
<v Speaker 6>giving secondhand information and diluting what that outcome is, and

1598
01:38:18.000 --> 01:38:20.399
<v Speaker 6>people will still be living in the fair we talked

1599
01:38:20.439 --> 01:38:23.880
<v Speaker 6>about earlier, and in the lack of awareness that we

1600
01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:27.359
<v Speaker 6>spoke about earlier. And if I'm to leave this earth

1601
01:38:27.520 --> 01:38:30.800
<v Speaker 6>and leave a legacy, that legacy is going to be

1602
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:34.000
<v Speaker 6>dignity with the first lay of clothing. And we have

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01:38:34.079 --> 01:38:36.640
<v Speaker 6>to remember something about breasts and the value that they play.

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01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:41.279
<v Speaker 6>It's literally in numerous places in the Bible, so we're

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01:38:41.319 --> 01:38:45.520
<v Speaker 6>not talking about something here that's arbitrarily being discussed. Breasts

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01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.640
<v Speaker 6>are literally everywhere in the Bible. They've been mentioned more

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01:38:49.640 --> 01:38:54.880
<v Speaker 6>than ten times, and more than that, it's the food

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01:38:55.000 --> 01:38:58.399
<v Speaker 6>of the first form of food for the newborn child.

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01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:02.399
<v Speaker 6>So if we are to think of those two very

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01:39:02.439 --> 01:39:07.640
<v Speaker 6>important dialogues about breasts, we know that it is urgent.

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01:39:08.640 --> 01:39:13.479
<v Speaker 6>It is important. We cannot rely only on the health

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01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:16.000
<v Speaker 6>care provider. And I want to just shout out health

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01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:19.520
<v Speaker 6>care providers, doctors and surgeons, because I.

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01:39:19.880 --> 01:39:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Compliment the work that they do.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm the next step after their move, removal, or any

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01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:29.720
<v Speaker 6>kind of surgical action. And so I am really really

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01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:32.960
<v Speaker 6>grateful because I see the immense work that they do.

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01:39:33.479 --> 01:39:38.079
<v Speaker 6>I see the successful surgeries. I see the happy families

1619
01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:42.479
<v Speaker 6>because they've had a good doctor. So I shout out,

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01:39:42.520 --> 01:39:47.439
<v Speaker 6>you know, we need to really give accolades to those

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01:39:47.520 --> 01:39:50.560
<v Speaker 6>who are in the care field, the clinical the clinical field,

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01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:55.079
<v Speaker 6>the clinicians, the surgeons, the nursing care staff, all of

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01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:59.159
<v Speaker 6>those people that make up that battery of care givers

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01:39:59.239 --> 01:40:04.039
<v Speaker 6>of which I am one of them. And so in reimagining,

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01:40:04.119 --> 01:40:07.199
<v Speaker 6>we're also going to make their work easier or lighter,

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01:40:07.840 --> 01:40:12.439
<v Speaker 6>because remember, I see the patient after they have done

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01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:15.199
<v Speaker 6>the work. But what I want to do is when

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01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:19.840
<v Speaker 6>they go back for a review, I want them to

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01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:26.000
<v Speaker 6>feel that this patient has literally been now at a

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01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:30.159
<v Speaker 6>place of total recovery or total rehabilitation. And I'll give

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01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:32.840
<v Speaker 6>you a joke. The very Sheryl who was going on

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01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:35.439
<v Speaker 6>her who was who has had the three adventures. When

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01:40:35.520 --> 01:40:38.560
<v Speaker 6>she was going on her trip after her first masstectomy,

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01:40:40.159 --> 01:40:44.640
<v Speaker 6>her doctor said, her surgeon said, I can't remember which

1635
01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:47.319
<v Speaker 6>breast I removed, And that was because and I'm not

1636
01:40:47.399 --> 01:40:50.279
<v Speaker 6>blowing my trumpet here, but that was because when we

1637
01:40:50.359 --> 01:40:53.439
<v Speaker 6>fit a woman for a breast prost thesis, we put

1638
01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:56.760
<v Speaker 6>her in the right item. Not only should it show

1639
01:40:57.079 --> 01:41:01.239
<v Speaker 6>breasts that are symmetrical and even, but they should also

1640
01:41:01.239 --> 01:41:04.479
<v Speaker 6>give the woman that sense of comfort, ease, confidence, care,

1641
01:41:05.039 --> 01:41:08.479
<v Speaker 6>and it must not be too heavy, too light, too

1642
01:41:08.520 --> 01:41:12.319
<v Speaker 6>imposing on her posture because it is a medical item.

1643
01:41:13.039 --> 01:41:15.920
<v Speaker 6>So at the end of the day, what we want

1644
01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:18.319
<v Speaker 6>to do is by using the work that we do

1645
01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:21.640
<v Speaker 6>and the blessings that we have been given by God

1646
01:41:21.680 --> 01:41:25.079
<v Speaker 6>to make women feel great. We want to advance that,

1647
01:41:25.600 --> 01:41:30.199
<v Speaker 6>elevate that, and make women understand, Okay, I'm doing a

1648
01:41:30.279 --> 01:41:33.840
<v Speaker 6>virtual consultation with you, but that does not mean that

1649
01:41:33.920 --> 01:41:36.720
<v Speaker 6>when I get my items, I'm not going to feel empowered.

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01:41:37.119 --> 01:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>And I'll give you one more story.

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01:41:39.079 --> 01:41:43.800
<v Speaker 6>During the lockdown, a referral came all the way from

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01:41:43.880 --> 01:41:48.439
<v Speaker 6>LinkedIn from a woman who had a recommendation based on

1653
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.680
<v Speaker 6>someone she knew, so it wasn't even a first hand recommendation.

1654
01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:56.640
<v Speaker 6>And inside of that recommendation, what happened was when I

1655
01:41:56.680 --> 01:42:00.239
<v Speaker 6>did the virtual consultation and ship the items over to

1656
01:41:59.840 --> 01:42:04.640
<v Speaker 6>the country where the person was and and I did

1657
01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:07.520
<v Speaker 6>the virtual refitting now to make sure that it fitted

1658
01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:10.359
<v Speaker 6>well on everything. The next thing, she calls me and

1659
01:42:10.399 --> 01:42:12.039
<v Speaker 6>she says, you know, you have to come to our

1660
01:42:12.079 --> 01:42:15.319
<v Speaker 6>country because now as soon as the lockdown and over,

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01:42:15.439 --> 01:42:16.800
<v Speaker 6>we have to find a way to get you here,

1662
01:42:17.439 --> 01:42:19.279
<v Speaker 6>she said. But before that, I want to let you

1663
01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:22.319
<v Speaker 6>know that my aunt, who had a mastectomy twenty years ago,

1664
01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:25.119
<v Speaker 6>has been stuffing her bra with all kinds of things,

1665
01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:28.439
<v Speaker 6>and we also want a prosthesis for her. So again,

1666
01:42:28.640 --> 01:42:32.119
<v Speaker 6>because of that confidence that I'd given to that one

1667
01:42:32.199 --> 01:42:35.199
<v Speaker 6>woman via a referral that came almost i will say

1668
01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:40.880
<v Speaker 6>randomly via LinkedIn, I was able to help another woman

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<v Speaker 6>and by extension or community, by extension or family. So

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<v Speaker 6>in reimagining the work that we're about to do, it's

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<v Speaker 6>going to again advance the faith. It's going to advance

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01:42:54.279 --> 01:42:57.800
<v Speaker 6>the faith of a woman who believes in God already,

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01:42:58.000 --> 01:43:01.119
<v Speaker 6>believes in her surgeon's already, but Noel needs to believe

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<v Speaker 6>in herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you, thank you, Nicole, Thank you for taking

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01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:11.039
<v Speaker 2>the time out. I know you've got a really busy schedule,

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01:43:11.279 --> 01:43:13.800
<v Speaker 2>but you've made the time and I can hear the

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01:43:13.840 --> 01:43:17.359
<v Speaker 2>passion in your voice for what you were doing, and

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish God's blessing on you may enlarge your territory.

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<v Speaker 2>And Jela, you said you've got some details for folks

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01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:28.800
<v Speaker 2>who may be in need of support here in the UK.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I mean there are lots of There are lots

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01:43:31.279 --> 01:43:37.359
<v Speaker 3>of organizations. There are general sort of cancer support agencies,

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01:43:37.399 --> 01:43:42.000
<v Speaker 3>so Cancer Research UK, but specific ones for breast cancer.

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01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:46.600
<v Speaker 3>It's against Breast Cancer Care, It's Breast Cancer.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, which is a big one. Again.

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<v Speaker 3>You can contact them by phone or find their website.

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01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:56.960
<v Speaker 3>There's also one called Copper Feel, which is an interesting one.

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01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:01.399
<v Speaker 3>It's a UK charity that provides information, advice and it

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01:44:01.439 --> 01:44:05.279
<v Speaker 3>provides awareness, especially amongst younger people again, and they have

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01:44:05.359 --> 01:44:08.760
<v Speaker 3>resources for teachers and educators as well, and they've got

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01:44:08.800 --> 01:44:11.079
<v Speaker 3>sort of a very good website there as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So definitely do have a look.

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01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:16.560
<v Speaker 3>And also this is obviously you know, any kind of

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01:44:16.600 --> 01:44:18.960
<v Speaker 3>diagnosis of any illness is going to be stressful and

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01:44:18.960 --> 01:44:21.319
<v Speaker 3>maybe have an impact on your mental health. So if

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01:44:21.359 --> 01:44:23.680
<v Speaker 3>you do feel that you do need to support their

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01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:28.680
<v Speaker 3>therapeutics access therapeutics support as well. So while we have

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01:44:28.840 --> 01:44:34.399
<v Speaker 3>our own counseling service CCS Cornstone Counseling Service, you can

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01:44:34.439 --> 01:44:36.520
<v Speaker 3>give them a call or contact them or look at

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01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:40.119
<v Speaker 3>their website too. You can connect with them on zero

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<v Speaker 3>to zero seven seven two three eight zero five zero

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<v Speaker 3>or you can find their website CCS Counseling dot org

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<v Speaker 3>dot UK. So there are there are lots of organizations

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01:44:54.399 --> 01:44:58.399
<v Speaker 3>out there, so you know if you do have obviously

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01:44:58.439 --> 01:45:02.479
<v Speaker 3>you're working with your doctors and your GP. They can

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01:45:02.640 --> 01:45:04.960
<v Speaker 3>recommence certain ones, but you know, don't be afraid to

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01:45:05.000 --> 01:45:07.479
<v Speaker 3>reach out for help. It can be a really scary time,

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01:45:07.880 --> 01:45:09.760
<v Speaker 3>sential a lonely time if you don't have the support

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01:45:09.800 --> 01:45:12.199
<v Speaker 3>around you. But there is support out there, so we

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01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:15.439
<v Speaker 3>do encourage you to access and ultimately, you know, we're

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01:45:15.439 --> 01:45:18.600
<v Speaker 3>putting our trust in God. And I want to sort

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01:45:18.600 --> 01:45:20.680
<v Speaker 3>of leave you with a couple of texts that I

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01:45:20.720 --> 01:45:23.840
<v Speaker 3>found that are always inspirational for me anyway, but definitely

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01:45:23.880 --> 01:45:26.760
<v Speaker 3>can offer some encouragement for anybody going through his journey.

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01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:30.720
<v Speaker 3>Is I forteen verse thirty one as a promise of

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01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:33.359
<v Speaker 3>renewal those that way to them the Lord will renew

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01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:35.720
<v Speaker 3>their strength. They should mount up with wings like eagles.

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01:45:35.720 --> 01:45:38.359
<v Speaker 3>They should run and not be weary. They should walk

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01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:43.479
<v Speaker 3>and not faint. And similarly a promise of strength in

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01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:47.119
<v Speaker 3>Psalms eighteen, verse thirty nine, which says, well you equiptomy

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01:45:47.119 --> 01:45:50.199
<v Speaker 3>with strength for battle. You made those who rise against

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01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:52.760
<v Speaker 3>me sin unto me. So again it's a promise of

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01:45:52.800 --> 01:45:57.640
<v Speaker 3>strength and enabling you to kind of move forward, but.

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<v Speaker 4>Ultimately as well.

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<v Speaker 3>And this maybe is a little bit follow on from

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<v Speaker 3>Levetta's text, but a promise of peace if you're feeling

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01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:09.880
<v Speaker 3>anxious about this journey. Philippines four, verse six or seven says,

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01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:13.319
<v Speaker 3>do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation,

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01:46:13.680 --> 01:46:17.920
<v Speaker 3>by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your request to God.

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01:46:18.359 --> 01:46:21.840
<v Speaker 3>And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will

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01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:25.720
<v Speaker 3>guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. As

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01:46:25.760 --> 01:46:28.159
<v Speaker 3>your worries begin to pile up, you know, greet them,

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01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:30.520
<v Speaker 3>but hand them over to God. They're not going to

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01:46:30.560 --> 01:46:34.239
<v Speaker 3>be your problem anymore. God's got you in his everlasting arms.

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<v Speaker 3>So I want to leave that word of encouragement for

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<v Speaker 3>you there.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you so much, Anji, and just remember to have

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01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:47.359
<v Speaker 2>regular screenings and stay informed and be proactive about your

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01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>health and encourage others to do so, be practical as well.

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01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:56.680
<v Speaker 2>That's so important. That's so important, he jo. You want

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01:46:56.680 --> 01:47:02.880
<v Speaker 2>to close with any final words and a prayer for us, please, a.

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<v Speaker 5>Lot of unpack a lot of information, good information, as

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01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:13.920
<v Speaker 5>I do like what Laura Leavetta said about giving information

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01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:16.680
<v Speaker 5>on how people can handle when one of their family

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01:47:16.680 --> 01:47:20.119
<v Speaker 5>members are diagnosed and how they can help them, because

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01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:22.479
<v Speaker 5>I think that's the very I think the importance of

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01:47:22.520 --> 01:47:25.760
<v Speaker 5>having that help, that support and that family you know,

1749
01:47:25.840 --> 01:47:32.039
<v Speaker 5>that help is very is very It's good for the

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01:47:32.079 --> 01:47:35.800
<v Speaker 5>person that's going through the through the situation. And then

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<v Speaker 5>with miss Nicole, you know, like I think one of

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01:47:39.680 --> 01:47:42.159
<v Speaker 5>you said it, you can just hear in her voice

1753
01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:44.520
<v Speaker 5>when she talks, like it's just oozing out of her

1754
01:47:44.640 --> 01:47:46.119
<v Speaker 5>pores and out of her skin and out of her

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01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:49.720
<v Speaker 5>whole body, how much it just how much it means

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01:47:49.720 --> 01:47:51.159
<v Speaker 5>to her. You could just hear it how much it

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01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:54.199
<v Speaker 5>means to her. So I can appreciate the transparency and

1758
01:47:54.279 --> 01:48:00.880
<v Speaker 5>the authicity that she that she's coming off with. So yeah,

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01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:03.800
<v Speaker 5>and well, one last thing, because we've been talking about

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01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:05.840
<v Speaker 5>the women, I'm gonna end it with the men. And

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01:48:05.880 --> 01:48:08.600
<v Speaker 5>that's just any man listening or any woman that has

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01:48:08.640 --> 01:48:11.239
<v Speaker 5>a man that they may you know, want to go

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01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:14.680
<v Speaker 5>check you know, check your men too. And it's the

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01:48:14.720 --> 01:48:16.800
<v Speaker 5>same toke. It just applies to the men too that

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01:48:16.840 --> 01:48:19.600
<v Speaker 5>they will go and make sure because as Nicole said,

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01:48:19.640 --> 01:48:22.840
<v Speaker 5>that is definitely something that we don't talk about. So

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01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:26.680
<v Speaker 5>you know, we need to the men need to get checked,

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01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.920
<v Speaker 5>make sure everything's okay, because I'm sure a lot of men.

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<v Speaker 5>I know myself, I want to be there for my

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01:48:31.840 --> 01:48:35.159
<v Speaker 5>kids for a long time. That's why I stopped having

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01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:37.159
<v Speaker 5>kids at a certain time, so that I could at

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01:48:37.239 --> 01:48:40.279
<v Speaker 5>least see them grow up, you know, at a certain age.

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<v Speaker 5>I just felt like if I went too long having

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01:48:43.720 --> 01:48:46.199
<v Speaker 5>kids at fifty and then having a kid, I want

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01:48:46.239 --> 01:48:49.039
<v Speaker 5>to see the kid grow up, you know. I mean,

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01:48:49.119 --> 01:48:50.680
<v Speaker 5>you don't know when it's going to happen, but just

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01:48:50.800 --> 01:48:54.199
<v Speaker 5>it just made sense to me. But you know, you

1778
01:48:54.239 --> 01:48:55.520
<v Speaker 5>want to be there for your family. So if you

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01:48:55.560 --> 01:48:56.720
<v Speaker 5>want to be there for your family, got to be

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01:48:56.760 --> 01:48:59.640
<v Speaker 5>there for yourself. Nobody's going to take care of your

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01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:02.279
<v Speaker 5>health like you can if you're not, if nobody else

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01:49:02.279 --> 01:49:03.560
<v Speaker 5>cares about your health, you should be the one that

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01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:07.920
<v Speaker 5>cares about your health because you know, unfortunately, you know,

1784
01:49:08.000 --> 01:49:11.279
<v Speaker 5>it's just the way it is. So if you're a

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01:49:11.319 --> 01:49:14.520
<v Speaker 5>mail and you feel something or you feel like something

1786
01:49:14.560 --> 01:49:17.600
<v Speaker 5>don't feel right, please go get checked and use some

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01:49:17.680 --> 01:49:20.119
<v Speaker 5>of the resources and don't be ashamed because it happens

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01:49:20.119 --> 01:49:23.399
<v Speaker 5>to us too. That'd be the main. Don't let your

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01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:25.159
<v Speaker 5>probably get and get in fun of you where you

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01:49:25.199 --> 01:49:30.439
<v Speaker 5>don't go get checked. So that would be my message

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01:49:30.479 --> 01:49:35.079
<v Speaker 5>to the men. I said, so, yeah, so, and that

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<v Speaker 5>we break all right. Oh, by the way, thank you

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01:49:40.439 --> 01:49:44.600
<v Speaker 5>miss Levetta, and thank you miss Nicole for coming on today.

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01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:47.600
<v Speaker 5>Have any fun out will thank you for bringing us

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01:49:47.600 --> 01:49:49.640
<v Speaker 5>to another talking point the end of a talking point.

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<v Speaker 5>We thank you Lord for the information that has been

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01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:55.199
<v Speaker 5>given to us and the acknowledgment and the understanding that

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01:49:55.319 --> 01:49:58.560
<v Speaker 5>we now have and that will allow us to go

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01:49:58.600 --> 01:50:01.960
<v Speaker 5>and investigate more and ask more questions and ask more

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01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:05.560
<v Speaker 5>ideas of what can be done to help support or

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01:50:05.560 --> 01:50:11.880
<v Speaker 5>help each other through this time and through the time

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01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:16.239
<v Speaker 5>that people are going through with this disease. We thank

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01:50:16.279 --> 01:50:18.800
<v Speaker 5>you Lord for the love that you've given us. And

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01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:22.720
<v Speaker 5>we say so say Lord that in the end we

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01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:26.359
<v Speaker 5>know that when you come back there will be no

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01:50:26.439 --> 01:50:28.279
<v Speaker 5>more cancer, there will be no more sickness, There'll be

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01:50:28.279 --> 01:50:30.880
<v Speaker 5>no more disease. So we look forward to that day.

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<v Speaker 5>Have any Father, We ask that you will continue to

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01:50:34.359 --> 01:50:36.319
<v Speaker 5>just bless us, be with us, each and every one

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01:50:36.359 --> 01:50:38.720
<v Speaker 5>of us, and allow us to give us the strength

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01:50:38.720 --> 01:50:41.000
<v Speaker 5>that we need to make it through the day. We

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<v Speaker 5>love you, Lord. Let me thank you again for your

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01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:44.720
<v Speaker 5>love and your mercy. We also ask a Lord of

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01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:47.680
<v Speaker 5>the family members will have the knowledge and the strength

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01:50:47.720 --> 01:50:50.239
<v Speaker 5>to help those that are in need, or even just

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01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:54.640
<v Speaker 5>the healthcare workers and the doctors and the nurses and

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01:50:54.680 --> 01:50:58.760
<v Speaker 5>whoever is dealing with this terrible disease, give them the

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01:50:58.880 --> 01:51:02.640
<v Speaker 5>understanding and the compasion and understanding to help and to

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01:51:02.760 --> 01:51:06.560
<v Speaker 5>heal and to help people to navigate through this time.

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<v Speaker 5>We thank you Lord again for your loving and mercy,

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<v Speaker 5>for the uppering your holy name.

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<v Speaker 2>Amen, Amen, Amen, thank you again. The butler, I'll let

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<v Speaker 2>you go off and get to bed now, thank you

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01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:20.760
<v Speaker 2>so much. And Nicole, thank you as well. And if

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01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:24.079
<v Speaker 2>anybody needs additional information, please contact the station. I will

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<v Speaker 2>be sure to share that with you. Until next time,

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<v Speaker 2>It's goodbye from me. Senya.

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<v Speaker 5>I went for the click. I'm doing it with a click.

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01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:42.079
<v Speaker 5>You can see already. I went for the click, and

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01:51:42.119 --> 01:51:43.199
<v Speaker 5>it's goodbye for Piedro.

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<v Speaker 2>God bless the Next Time.

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<v Speaker 3>Adventist Radio, London inspiration for the song