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Speaker 2: All righty, so there is a link a connection between the.
Speaker 1: Minnesota shooting and what occurred on the light rail line
in South End on Friday night, where a mentally deranged
homeless man stabbed and killed a twenty three year old
Ukrainian refugee. Miranda Divine writes about not the second story
from Charlotte, but about the Minnesota sh shooting and Minnesota
or Minneapolis specifically, and how it's ground zero for social disorder. Obviously,
the George Floyd defund the police movement right now.
Speaker 2: The deadly mass shooting.
Speaker 1: But at least now we do have an FBI that's
going to tell the truth about the motivating hatreds so
that we could try to understand the pathology to stop
its spread, She says. The leadership Tim Walls, Jacob Fry,
Keith Ellison, these are the top leaders in Minnesota. They
played a central role in the calamity that struck a
pandemic crazed country in the summer of twenty twenty, the
deadly blm Antifa riots that raged after the death of Floyd.
Instead of behaving responsibly after the tragedy, these Democrat leaders
poured gasoline on the fire and seemed to revel in
the mayhem. Walls delayed calling out the National Guard for
almost a full day. His wife, Gwen, you'll recall, weirdly,
spoke of keeping the windows to the house open as
long as she could so she could smell the fumes
of the burning tires, because she said, quote, I felt
like that was such a touchstone of what was happening.
Fry ordered the Third Precinct to surrender its police station
to the mob as a sort of ritual sacrifice. Keith
Ellison railroaded Derek Chauvin and three other cops for George
Floyd's death and lied that President Trump's supporters were to
blame for the riots. These are the people who find
political profit and chaos and disorder. It is incredible that
they paid no price for the death and destruction they unleashed,
which continues to this day in the form of undermanned
and demoralized police forces, not just in Minneapolis, but across America.
The Minneapolis police force has been so beaten down that
it now has just three hundred fifty street cops. Three
hundred and fifty. You know how many they had before
the summer of mostly peaceful, sometimes fiery protests, They had
nine hundred. They now have three fifty. If Democrats wonder
why their political stock is spiraling into the death zone,
they need to look no further than their own willful
failures on urban crime and border protection. Biden, who once
posed as a tough on crime moderate, he came into
the White House and immediately dismantled all the Trump era
border protections. He allowed millions of illegal aliens, including rapists,
child molesters, murderers, sordid gangbangers, to come in and roam
free along with our own homegrown criminals. He turned a
blind eye to urban crime while prioritizing the fake crisis
of global era climate change and equity as well. She concludes,
it's a very lengthy piece here at the New York Post.
She concludes, instead of admitting fault and embracing common sense
policies like more cops on the beat, Democrats are siding
with the criminals. New York is about to sign our
own death warrant if zoron no misdemeanor's Mamdani gets his
way and wins the mayor's race. But Trump's successful DC
crime crackdown lays bear the lie that law and order
is too complex to solve with policing.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: They Democrats have been telling us for generations that they're
trying to get to the root causes of all of
the crime issue. Then they're so close to cracking the code,
and they got all these different ideas, these innovations, and
then all these things are going to work. And it's
not just cops. More cops don't reduce crime. We can't
arrest our way out of this and all that. And
then Trump pours a bunch of agents and officials and
law enforcement.
Speaker 2: Into d C.
Speaker 1: And lo and behold, what have we seen? A reduction
in crime so profound that even the Democrat mayor of
DC has acknowledged that it worked. He saved the lives
of at least half a dozen people. Trump did by
doing this because they see a murder in DC every
other day, and so for twelve days there wasn't a
single murder, and by the record, by the book, by
the data, that would be on average six people dead
that are not that. By the way, the twelve day
homicide free streak ended early on Wednesday, but there's no
doubt that the streets are safer, and the most affected
residents are grateful, since most, if not all, of the
lives saved are the young black men who usually film
more virtuary slabs. It's a rich irony that the loudest
critics of Trump's law and order push are the same
Democrats who weaponized Black Lives Matter into an insane movement
to defund the police. In Chicago, where Trump is now
threatening to send the National Guard next, six people were
killed last weekend alone, including a five year old boy. Again,
I say this is a choice. Voters keep choosing to
put these people in power, and these people in power
keep choosing policies that allow for more chaos. That's the problem.
It is a social disorder. It is chaos rather than order.
And by the way, there is Potentially a reason for
this is that the more chaos you have, then the
more people clamor for order, and they are willing to
sacrifice more of their liberties in order to obtain greater security.
It's almost as if the people that are cooking up
the virus are also cooking up the antidote. You know,
same lab, same people, which brings us back to South
End Charlotte. A Charlotte Mecklemburg police affid David filed in
court yesterday provided new details of that fatal stabbing on
the light rail train in South End on Friday night
a week ago. Today to Carlos Brown, who we heard
in the newscast there at the top of the hour
that he was denied bond. Finally, he is charged with
stabbing and murdering Irina Zarutzka, who was a twenty three
year old refugee who came to Charlotte with her family
from Ukraine. At about nine to fifty five pm, police
got a call for service reporting that a man had
just stabbed a woman in the throat on the.
Speaker 2: Lynx Blue Line.
Speaker 1: It said that when the police arrived, witnesses pointed them
to the suspects standing on the outbound light rail platform.
He had a cut on the outside of his right hand,
and he matched caller's description. Detectives also got the video
from inside the train, which reportedly shows her entering and
sitting in front of Brown for about four and a
half minutes. The ride continues as normal. He then pulls
out a knife. He unfolds the knife, he pauses, he
stands up and just stabs her three times and walks away,
and then she becomes unresponsive.
Speaker 2: There was no interaction between the two of them. She
was ambushed, So there is a video.
Speaker 1: Charlotte Area Transit said to the Charlotte Observer that it
has Contractedcurity Company that is working to fill thirty five vacancies.
I'll give you more details on this Professional Security Services PSS.
It's a Charlotte based company and the guy who founded it,
his name rang a bell with me.
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the details. All right, So, according to this piece of
the Charlotte Observer by Ryan Orley, the Charlotte Area Transit
system has its contracted security company called Professional Security Services.
It's run by former CMPD officers has one hundred eighty
four security personnel, but there are two hundred nineteen total positions.
Kat said, Now, I'm unclear as to that whether that's
two nineteen for all of KATS or whether that's two
nineteen for the entire staff of PSS, the Professional Security Services.
The two nineteen is the total employment number, and that
they are dispersed through various other contracts, so I'm not
sure if that's just a cat's specific number. Asked by
the observer, what the agency is doing in response to
the killing, CATS said that it has been working to
reimagine its approach to safety and security over the past
eight months. Okay, well, stop reimagining whatever you've been doing,
because obviously it doesn't look like that's working. This has
included working with the security company. CATS is also deploying
security officers across the system during all hours of operations,
seven days a week.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: The problem is, of course, that you know, it's difficult
to staff like every single bus. Okay, and I understand
this argument. In fact, ws so see TVs. Hunter Sayings
sat down with Brent Kagel, the interim CEO for CATS.
Eric Ostness, the chief Safety and security officer for CATS
and Lee Ratliffe Assistant chief for Professional Security Services PSS.
And if the name Lee Ratliffe rings a bell for you,
it also rang a bell for me. I knew Lee
Ratliffe when he was the spokesperson for CMPD, so I
would have to deal with him. Not have to, but
I would deal with him. When you go out to
the scene of a crime and the most famous or
maybe infamous I'm not sure scene of the crime that
he appeared at, and it would turn out to be
I believe one of his last, if not his last,
was when Carr driving on two seventy seven through on
the south side of Uptown, like from College Street, coming
you know, going towards Midtown, and a guy jumps out
of the back of the trunk of a car driving
down the road. He rolls out, I should say, because
he is his hands are tied, he's got tape over
his mouth, his feet are bound, and he hops across
two lanes of traffic to get to the side of
the road. And I believe it was a duke. Power
lineman in one of the trucks sees this. He pulls
over at that ramp going up to College Street, I
believe it was, and he pulls over to help the
guy and the car that you know, had the guy
in the trunk. He the car turned around and a
guy got out, walked up and shot and killed the
guy that was in the trunk, right in front of
the Duke Lineman, and then got in the car and
drove away. So we all descend. It's right down the
street from the WBT studio. So I was one of
the first people there. We get there, Lee Ratliffe is there,
but I'm not sure why, but he was. Lee was
dressed with like a big fedora hat, a white blazer.
It was just a very a unique look. But because
of the nature of this crime, this press conference on
the side of two seventy seven, it went out all
over the country and people in the city government and
CNBT were not happy with the image that was projected anyway,
So and anyway, so that's but I worked with Lee
and Lee was very nice, but apparently he's one of
the founders of this company anyway, so he's They sit
down for this interview with nine and Ratliff said, it
was a pretty horrific event. It was a random act
something that I don't feel any person from a law
enforcement security perspective, could have done anything to prevent that, Okay,
and I don't believe that's true.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that's true. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if like there was some officer on the train
but was too far away and the guy got up
and stabbed her, the cop would not have been able
to get over and stop the attack in time. So
from that perspective, and maybe that's what he's talking about. Sure, However,
the mere presence of the officer, the mere presence of
security or a police officer, acts as a deterrent, and
so the deranged maniac might not have even attempted it
because of the presence of somebody with a firearm, see
my point. So this is where and this was very
early in the interview, and I thought the reporter did
a good job with the questions that he asked because
it's a transcript almost in this piece, it's a very
lengthy piece. But this idea that like, well, we couldn't
we couldn't have done anything to prevent the attack if
the guy wanted to attack, or he would have. And again, yes,
but your presence may have actually acted as a deterrent.
So I don't think it's I don't think it's a
good argument to say that, you know, putting a cop
on the train wouldn't have stopped it, because it might have.
You don't know that to be true. In fact, studies
show increased law enforcement presence does in fact reduce crime
in the area where law enforcement is Sains asked if
this was a security failure. There was a security failure,
there was no security guard on that train, and Ratliss
said no, on this night, I think that while the
outcome is horrific, it's terrible. Oh sorry, this is now
Brent Kagel from Cats. He says, it's the outcome is horrific,
it's terrible. But the system, the processes, they all functioned
as they should have on that night. So the system
worked as intended like this.
Speaker 2: This is okay.
Speaker 1: That is definitely one way to go here, he says.
I think, knowing what we know now, there may have
been other opportunities for this, but for this person to
have got the help they needed, uh or to not
been where they weren't at night, But on this night,
I believe that processes. I believe the processes worked, Ratliff said,
I want to talk about the things that were successful
that night. The nine to one one call went in
and then the response from the call coming in six minutes.
This person was in police custody. The reporter says, you
say your systems and policies worked, but a woman died,
and Kegel said, absolutely, and I acknowledge that. See, this
is why people conceal carry is because the process worked
as intended. After she was dead, a call went in,
police arrived six minutes later, and but for the fact
that the attacker happened to remain on a platform instead
of running away, they caught him. Had he run away,
they probably would not have. So the process worked. And
that's why I concealed carry, because in the minds of professionals,
this is what passes for security. This is a process
that works. So then the reporter asks, we have heard
from law enforcement that there is power in presence that
if we may have seen, if he may have seen
a guard on board that train that night, he would
have thought twice before he did what he did. And
Ratliffe responds, I can't put a police officer or security
officer on every street in Charlotte. It's just not feasible. Well,
that's not that's not what he was asking. He's asking
about an officer present on that train. There are far
fewer train cars in Charlotte than there are streets. Nobody's
asking you to put a cop on every single street
all the time. The question is, could you put a
cop on a train that just runs like an eight
mile line, up and down, up and down.
Speaker 2: Up, and then you just put them on the train.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. Let's see WBT.
Speaker 1: This is from Kevin who says WBT reported that he
sat behind her on the light rail train. You just
read that she got on and sat in front of him. Well,
according to the Charlotte Observer, the video shows I've not
seen The video shows that he's on the train. She
The video shows her entering and then sitting in front
of Brown. I don't know, like facing each other or
if she has her back to him or what. I
don't know. They don't say that in the in the article,
but this interview that Hunter Sayings got with the three
Cats guys, Brent Kagel, the interim CEO, Eric Ostnessnessess Anyway,
the chief safety and security officer for Cats, and Lee Ratliffe,
Assistant chief for Professional Security Services.
Speaker 2: I think it's unsettling to me. Let me say it
that way.
Speaker 1: It's unsettling because the way they're answering these questions does
not indicate to me that they are, I don't know,
approaching this in the way that I think most people are,
or at least what I'm seeing and hearing in the
text line in the emails from the phone calls. It's
just like, Okay, so I can't put a police officer
or security officer on every street in Charlotte. It's just
not feasible. Nobody's asking for that. Why would you say that?
Ratliffe says that it's not from a budget standpoint. From
a hiring standpoint, the perception of having security and presence
is always great, and we want to increase those numbers. Right,
But at the end of the day, if someone wants
to commit a violent crime and that crime can be
done in seconds. Okay, there's nothing that a police officer
can do to stop that act from happening. We can
react to it, but to prevent it, it's not a
lot we can do. So again, that's a false choice, right,
You're setting up sort of a straw man argument here,
because the point is you're like skipping right past the
presence of the officer to as a deterrent, and you're
making this argument that you know, well, we can't have
a cop everywhere, and you know people are going to
do bad things and all that, and sure that's true,
but the presence of an officer may have convinced this
attacker not to try anything because he saw the officer.
Cagel said, this is the cat's CEO, the interim CEO.
I also know that when we think about trying to
have security personnel everywhere throughout the system, every day, all day,
it's challenging. It's not something that is feasible. The reporter
then asks, we want to be this large, big city,
a world class city. There are other transit systems in
this country that have a goal of putting two officers
on every single train from nine pm to five am.
Let's say, why can't we do that here? And Ratliffe responds, quote,
we can do anything we choose to do when we
choose to do it, all right, But the thing I
want to look at is there's budgets, there's numbers, there's
all these things that go into factor into those decisions
and how they're made, which that just seems like a dodge.
What's the cost? How many trains are there? How about
we start there. Let's go let's go down to just
basic data. Right, how many trains are there?
Speaker 3: Ten?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I mean well that aren't broken with you know, unmaintained
wheel trucks, Like how many are actually running?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 1: And like now I'm not talking cars train cars. I'm
not saying you put an officer in every car. I'm saying,
how about one officer on each train and they could
walk up and down the train. Right, So, how many trains?
Speaker 3: Ten?
Speaker 1: So we have ten officers that ride the trains. We
could do that, right, What would that cost? Let's see
some numbers running Outlet give me a proposal, show me
some figures. Cat's officials said they know their system is
not perfect, and even before the deadly attack, they said
plans were already underway to enhance safety. Oh so they
did know there are gaps. One of those plans is
to better enforce tickets on the light rail, ensuring riders
actually buy a ticket to get on. Yes, yes, that
would be a good idea. People like me have been
saying this for a very long time, that there's no
fair enforcement which allows any sort of homeless, vagrant, criminal
to board the train, victimize people get off and there's
no record or there's no way to kick them off.
And one thing that people are also doing is they
get on the train and then if somebody does eventually
come along and ask to see their ticket, they buy
the ticket right then and there no see And they
talk about this that, hey, we didn't build this system.
We didn't build our train platforms all this with any
kind of security like turnstiles, so anybody can get on
the platforms, and then anybody can jump on the train
when the door's open. A federal study, According to WSOCTV,
a federal study notes that there's an overlap between unpaid
train fares and an increase in crime on transit. He
was asked, did the attacker have a ticket to be
on the train, Did de Carlos Brown have a ticket?
And Cagle said, I do not know the answer. Ratliff said,
I don't know the answer. Austin has said it's part
of the investigation, and the reporter says, seems like a
pretty easy part of that investigation to look up. Ratliff said,
that's a really great question. But what's more important to
me is getting a conviction. No, right now, it's important
to find out did he have a ticket? And I
suspect just spitballing here making a prediction.
Speaker 2: He did not.
Speaker 1: I'm going to say he did not. He was homeless,
he was insane, so I'm assuming he just got on
the train. Thereby proving the point that the reporter Hunter
Sayings is making with this federal study that when you
have high amounts of unpaid train fares, you have more crime.
So maybe we focus on enforcing fares. Maybe you harden
with exterior security, the train stations put turnstiles in. All right,
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Speaker 2: What do we call it? Oh?
Speaker 1: Pregaming with Brett Winterble. You can hear his whole program
right here on WBT from three until six pm weekdays.
Speaker 2: Brett how Art thou.
Speaker 3: Ah, I'm doing well, Thank you very much. Good.
Speaker 2: Did you get the memo that we are pouncing and seizing.
Speaker 4: So to which directive are we pouncing in season? Oh,
that's a good question because there's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of options.
Speaker 1: So what did you get a memo about the pouncing
and the seizing for a particular option? Like, are which
option are you pouncing and seizing upon? Because we may
have gotten different memos or something.
Speaker 4: I would say Kamala Harris getting getting a stripped of
her of her secret service.
Speaker 2: So you're pouncing on that, not you're not pouncing.
Speaker 3: I'm encouraging people not to pounce on.
Speaker 2: You're encouraging no pouncing.
Speaker 3: Correct. Okay, So I was what are you pouncing?
Speaker 1: And apparently I've been pouncing and seizing on the murder
of the Ukrainian refugee on our light rail.
Speaker 3: How can that be?
Speaker 1: Well, according to the let me see here the title here,
the deputy opinion editor of The Charlotte Observer, Paige Maston.
You know who she knows? She makes frequent appearances on
the show. I mean not her but her writings. Yes,
I gain headline Republicans are pouncing on Charlotte's light rail stabbing.
Speaker 3: Wow, because you talked about.
Speaker 1: It, right, Because like we see it as a symbol
of the latest piece of evidence in a general trend.
Speaker 4: So did she post that today? Yes, that is a
very What is her name? I want to page Maston,
Page Maston. I'm not trying to pounce or do any
of that sketchy stuff, but that is not the way
you commemorate the passing the murdering of a person not
one week ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it hasn't even been a full week.
Speaker 4: It hasn't been a full week, and for goodness sakes,
I think you need to take the weekend and really
change your approach.
Speaker 2: She says.
Speaker 1: It's the kind of incident that merits a strong response
from Charlotte Lee leaders, especially at a time when fears
about safety are already heightened. Adding to the urgency is
the fact that tragedies like this also present a perception
dilemma that extends beyond the city's borders. For one, Republicans
at the state and national level are eager to characterize
Charlotte as a lawless, crime infested city, touting it as
further quote unquote proof that Democrats are soft on crime.
Speaker 3: Well, let me just say something, because I have the clip.
I have the clip.
Speaker 4: I went and I harvested the clip and I gotta
tell you the last The first time I came to
Charlotte in twenty twelve, I watched you guys.
Speaker 3: Boo God, I saw it. I was in the room. Yeah,
I mean, what are we doing? Page? You gotta get
your mind right, Paige.
Speaker 1: The North Carolina Republican Party was quick to levy those
accusations on social media, writing quote, Democrats have shown over
the past two weeks they don't take violent crime seriously.
It cost this young woman her life in our state's
largest city. It's unacceptedable.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait she so she said it was an
insect in the first In the first cause it was
the it was an incident, and then what was the
other one?
Speaker 3: It was something else.
Speaker 1: That was very She does call it a tragedy, tragedy,
He says, it's using tragedies to further a partisan political narrative.
Speaker 4: Wait, what, what's the tragedy? So she needs to explain
what the tragedy is. Is the tragedy the crazy guy
or is the tragedy the fact that he murdered a
perfectly nice person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's I think she's talking about the murder.
And then she also criticizes the response from the mayor
and from the police, and uh, she says, the fop
they're raising concerns. Stuff it And basically the whole rest
of the piece sounds a lot like what I've been
saying and you've been saying, sure, yeah, which is odd
because I guess she's not pouncing.
Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, and let's be honest here and
I'll take I'll take the heat. They can they can
deliver the heat and pounce on me and all that.
Let me just say this really quick. This was somebody
who was from another country. So I guess American life
is more valuable than people who have emigrated for safety.
Speaker 3: Is she an on person?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: What is this?
Speaker 2: Maybe Brett will answer that on his show.
Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode.
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