1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on. Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,719 my daily show prep with all of the links, become 6 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:22,359 a patron, go to vpeteclendershow dot com. Make sure you 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,960 hit the subscribe button, get every episode for free, write 8 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:27,320 to your smartphone or tablet, and again, thank you so 9 00:00:27,399 --> 00:00:28,440 much for your support. 10 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:35,679 Speaker 2: All righty, so there is a link a connection between the. 11 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: Minnesota shooting and what occurred on the light rail line 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,679 in South End on Friday night, where a mentally deranged 13 00:00:47,719 --> 00:00:50,600 homeless man stabbed and killed a twenty three year old 14 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:58,119 Ukrainian refugee. Miranda Divine writes about not the second story 15 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:03,640 from Charlotte, but about the Minnesota sh shooting and Minnesota 16 00:01:03,759 --> 00:01:10,359 or Minneapolis specifically, and how it's ground zero for social disorder. Obviously, 17 00:01:10,439 --> 00:01:15,280 the George Floyd defund the police movement right now. 18 00:01:15,159 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: The deadly mass shooting. 19 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: But at least now we do have an FBI that's 20 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:26,560 going to tell the truth about the motivating hatreds so 21 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,879 that we could try to understand the pathology to stop 22 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:35,879 its spread, She says. The leadership Tim Walls, Jacob Fry, 23 00:01:36,519 --> 00:01:42,200 Keith Ellison, these are the top leaders in Minnesota. They 24 00:01:42,239 --> 00:01:45,719 played a central role in the calamity that struck a 25 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,000 pandemic crazed country in the summer of twenty twenty, the 26 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:53,239 deadly blm Antifa riots that raged after the death of Floyd. 27 00:01:54,359 --> 00:01:57,920 Instead of behaving responsibly after the tragedy, these Democrat leaders 28 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,840 poured gasoline on the fire and seemed to revel in 29 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:05,200 the mayhem. Walls delayed calling out the National Guard for 30 00:02:05,319 --> 00:02:09,520 almost a full day. His wife, Gwen, you'll recall, weirdly, 31 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,360 spoke of keeping the windows to the house open as 32 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,159 long as she could so she could smell the fumes 33 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:20,120 of the burning tires, because she said, quote, I felt 34 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:22,800 like that was such a touchstone of what was happening. 35 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,639 Fry ordered the Third Precinct to surrender its police station 36 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,520 to the mob as a sort of ritual sacrifice. Keith 37 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,080 Ellison railroaded Derek Chauvin and three other cops for George 38 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,159 Floyd's death and lied that President Trump's supporters were to 39 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:41,599 blame for the riots. These are the people who find 40 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:45,639 political profit and chaos and disorder. It is incredible that 41 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,840 they paid no price for the death and destruction they unleashed, 42 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,719 which continues to this day in the form of undermanned 43 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:58,439 and demoralized police forces, not just in Minneapolis, but across America. 44 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,960 The Minneapolis police force has been so beaten down that 45 00:03:03,039 --> 00:03:06,319 it now has just three hundred fifty street cops. Three 46 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,280 hundred and fifty. You know how many they had before 47 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:14,639 the summer of mostly peaceful, sometimes fiery protests, They had 48 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:20,639 nine hundred. They now have three fifty. If Democrats wonder 49 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,759 why their political stock is spiraling into the death zone, 50 00:03:23,879 --> 00:03:25,879 they need to look no further than their own willful 51 00:03:25,879 --> 00:03:30,960 failures on urban crime and border protection. Biden, who once 52 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,080 posed as a tough on crime moderate, he came into 53 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,439 the White House and immediately dismantled all the Trump era 54 00:03:38,759 --> 00:03:44,080 border protections. He allowed millions of illegal aliens, including rapists, 55 00:03:44,159 --> 00:03:48,560 child molesters, murderers, sordid gangbangers, to come in and roam 56 00:03:48,599 --> 00:03:52,560 free along with our own homegrown criminals. He turned a 57 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,439 blind eye to urban crime while prioritizing the fake crisis 58 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:03,159 of global era climate change and equity as well. She concludes, 59 00:04:03,199 --> 00:04:05,319 it's a very lengthy piece here at the New York Post. 60 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:10,680 She concludes, instead of admitting fault and embracing common sense 61 00:04:10,719 --> 00:04:14,719 policies like more cops on the beat, Democrats are siding 62 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:17,480 with the criminals. New York is about to sign our 63 00:04:17,519 --> 00:04:21,439 own death warrant if zoron no misdemeanor's Mamdani gets his 64 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,680 way and wins the mayor's race. But Trump's successful DC 65 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:31,600 crime crackdown lays bear the lie that law and order 66 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,040 is too complex to solve with policing. 67 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:35,480 Speaker 2: Right. 68 00:04:35,519 --> 00:04:40,399 Speaker 1: They Democrats have been telling us for generations that they're 69 00:04:40,439 --> 00:04:42,439 trying to get to the root causes of all of 70 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,680 the crime issue. Then they're so close to cracking the code, 71 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,120 and they got all these different ideas, these innovations, and 72 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,600 then all these things are going to work. And it's 73 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:54,160 not just cops. More cops don't reduce crime. We can't 74 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:57,839 arrest our way out of this and all that. And 75 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:01,920 then Trump pours a bunch of agents and officials and 76 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:03,480 law enforcement. 77 00:05:03,079 --> 00:05:04,199 Speaker 2: Into d C. 78 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: And lo and behold, what have we seen? A reduction 79 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,759 in crime so profound that even the Democrat mayor of 80 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:17,480 DC has acknowledged that it worked. He saved the lives 81 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,399 of at least half a dozen people. Trump did by 82 00:05:22,439 --> 00:05:26,040 doing this because they see a murder in DC every 83 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:31,040 other day, and so for twelve days there wasn't a 84 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,959 single murder, and by the record, by the book, by 85 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:38,240 the data, that would be on average six people dead 86 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,680 that are not that. By the way, the twelve day 87 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:49,600 homicide free streak ended early on Wednesday, but there's no 88 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,720 doubt that the streets are safer, and the most affected 89 00:05:52,759 --> 00:05:56,759 residents are grateful, since most, if not all, of the 90 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,839 lives saved are the young black men who usually film 91 00:05:59,879 --> 00:06:03,519 more virtuary slabs. It's a rich irony that the loudest 92 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,720 critics of Trump's law and order push are the same 93 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,319 Democrats who weaponized Black Lives Matter into an insane movement 94 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:15,399 to defund the police. In Chicago, where Trump is now 95 00:06:15,439 --> 00:06:19,720 threatening to send the National Guard next, six people were 96 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:27,279 killed last weekend alone, including a five year old boy. Again, 97 00:06:27,759 --> 00:06:32,720 I say this is a choice. Voters keep choosing to 98 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,240 put these people in power, and these people in power 99 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:43,360 keep choosing policies that allow for more chaos. That's the problem. 100 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:48,879 It is a social disorder. It is chaos rather than order. 101 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,720 And by the way, there is Potentially a reason for 102 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,959 this is that the more chaos you have, then the 103 00:06:57,959 --> 00:07:02,839 more people clamor for order, and they are willing to 104 00:07:02,959 --> 00:07:08,399 sacrifice more of their liberties in order to obtain greater security. 105 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,680 It's almost as if the people that are cooking up 106 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,000 the virus are also cooking up the antidote. You know, 107 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,839 same lab, same people, which brings us back to South 108 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,399 End Charlotte. A Charlotte Mecklemburg police affid David filed in 109 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,519 court yesterday provided new details of that fatal stabbing on 110 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,120 the light rail train in South End on Friday night 111 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,920 a week ago. Today to Carlos Brown, who we heard 112 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:39,000 in the newscast there at the top of the hour 113 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:45,199 that he was denied bond. Finally, he is charged with 114 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:49,959 stabbing and murdering Irina Zarutzka, who was a twenty three 115 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:53,240 year old refugee who came to Charlotte with her family 116 00:07:53,839 --> 00:07:58,399 from Ukraine. At about nine to fifty five pm, police 117 00:07:58,399 --> 00:08:00,800 got a call for service reporting that a man had 118 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:02,839 just stabbed a woman in the throat on the. 119 00:08:02,839 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: Lynx Blue Line. 120 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,639 Speaker 1: It said that when the police arrived, witnesses pointed them 121 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:12,160 to the suspects standing on the outbound light rail platform. 122 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,519 He had a cut on the outside of his right hand, 123 00:08:15,519 --> 00:08:19,439 and he matched caller's description. Detectives also got the video 124 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:23,279 from inside the train, which reportedly shows her entering and 125 00:08:23,319 --> 00:08:26,560 sitting in front of Brown for about four and a 126 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:30,639 half minutes. The ride continues as normal. He then pulls 127 00:08:30,639 --> 00:08:35,519 out a knife. He unfolds the knife, he pauses, he 128 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,240 stands up and just stabs her three times and walks away, 129 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:42,639 and then she becomes unresponsive. 130 00:08:43,519 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: There was no interaction between the two of them. She 131 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:53,360 was ambushed, So there is a video. 132 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,279 Speaker 1: Charlotte Area Transit said to the Charlotte Observer that it 133 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,639 has Contractedcurity Company that is working to fill thirty five vacancies. 134 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,720 I'll give you more details on this Professional Security Services PSS. 135 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:15,320 It's a Charlotte based company and the guy who founded it, 136 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,120 his name rang a bell with me. 137 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: So we'll get to that in a moment. 138 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,919 Speaker 1: All right, So you've heard me talk about creative video 139 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,240 for almost a year. But did you know they also 140 00:09:24,399 --> 00:09:27,559 offer a game changing app for businesses that reward their 141 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,000 teams with incentive trips. Well, they do. 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All right, So, according to this piece of 162 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,799 the Charlotte Observer by Ryan Orley, the Charlotte Area Transit 163 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:42,399 system has its contracted security company called Professional Security Services. 164 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:46,720 It's run by former CMPD officers has one hundred eighty 165 00:10:46,759 --> 00:10:50,840 four security personnel, but there are two hundred nineteen total positions. 166 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,480 Kat said, Now, I'm unclear as to that whether that's 167 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:58,120 two nineteen for all of KATS or whether that's two 168 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:05,200 nineteen for the entire staff of PSS, the Professional Security Services. 169 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,600 The two nineteen is the total employment number, and that 170 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:15,320 they are dispersed through various other contracts, so I'm not 171 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,919 sure if that's just a cat's specific number. Asked by 172 00:11:18,919 --> 00:11:21,080 the observer, what the agency is doing in response to 173 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,120 the killing, CATS said that it has been working to 174 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,200 reimagine its approach to safety and security over the past 175 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:35,399 eight months. Okay, well, stop reimagining whatever you've been doing, 176 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:40,159 because obviously it doesn't look like that's working. This has 177 00:11:40,159 --> 00:11:43,519 included working with the security company. CATS is also deploying 178 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,919 security officers across the system during all hours of operations, 179 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:47,799 seven days a week. 180 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: Now. 181 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: The problem is, of course, that you know, it's difficult 182 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,159 to staff like every single bus. Okay, and I understand 183 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:04,559 this argument. In fact, ws so see TVs. Hunter Sayings 184 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:09,320 sat down with Brent Kagel, the interim CEO for CATS. 185 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,720 Eric Ostness, the chief Safety and security officer for CATS 186 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:19,840 and Lee Ratliffe Assistant chief for Professional Security Services PSS. 187 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,840 And if the name Lee Ratliffe rings a bell for you, 188 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,480 it also rang a bell for me. I knew Lee 189 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:30,919 Ratliffe when he was the spokesperson for CMPD, so I 190 00:12:30,919 --> 00:12:32,320 would have to deal with him. Not have to, but 191 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,240 I would deal with him. When you go out to 192 00:12:35,279 --> 00:12:40,799 the scene of a crime and the most famous or 193 00:12:40,919 --> 00:12:46,200 maybe infamous I'm not sure scene of the crime that 194 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,159 he appeared at, and it would turn out to be 195 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:50,399 I believe one of his last, if not his last, 196 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:58,039 was when Carr driving on two seventy seven through on 197 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:03,159 the south side of Uptown, like from College Street, coming 198 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:11,399 you know, going towards Midtown, and a guy jumps out 199 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,360 of the back of the trunk of a car driving 200 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:18,320 down the road. He rolls out, I should say, because 201 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:23,120 he is his hands are tied, he's got tape over 202 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,879 his mouth, his feet are bound, and he hops across 203 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,919 two lanes of traffic to get to the side of 204 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:35,159 the road. And I believe it was a duke. Power 205 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:39,440 lineman in one of the trucks sees this. He pulls 206 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,039 over at that ramp going up to College Street, I 207 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:46,120 believe it was, and he pulls over to help the 208 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:50,440 guy and the car that you know, had the guy 209 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,559 in the trunk. He the car turned around and a 210 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:59,240 guy got out, walked up and shot and killed the 211 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,399 guy that was in the trunk, right in front of 212 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,080 the Duke Lineman, and then got in the car and 213 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:06,720 drove away. So we all descend. It's right down the 214 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,399 street from the WBT studio. So I was one of 215 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:13,320 the first people there. We get there, Lee Ratliffe is there, 216 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:17,080 but I'm not sure why, but he was. Lee was 217 00:14:17,159 --> 00:14:21,159 dressed with like a big fedora hat, a white blazer. 218 00:14:21,919 --> 00:14:29,879 It was just a very a unique look. But because 219 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:34,240 of the nature of this crime, this press conference on 220 00:14:34,279 --> 00:14:37,159 the side of two seventy seven, it went out all 221 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:43,039 over the country and people in the city government and 222 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,919 CNBT were not happy with the image that was projected anyway, 223 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,879 So and anyway, so that's but I worked with Lee 224 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,240 and Lee was very nice, but apparently he's one of 225 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,879 the founders of this company anyway, so he's They sit 226 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:03,600 down for this interview with nine and Ratliff said, it 227 00:15:03,639 --> 00:15:06,279 was a pretty horrific event. It was a random act 228 00:15:06,559 --> 00:15:08,679 something that I don't feel any person from a law 229 00:15:08,759 --> 00:15:13,480 enforcement security perspective, could have done anything to prevent that, Okay, 230 00:15:14,039 --> 00:15:16,799 and I don't believe that's true. 231 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,039 Speaker 2: I don't believe that's true. Now. 232 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:25,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, if like there was some officer on the train 233 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,600 but was too far away and the guy got up 234 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:30,399 and stabbed her, the cop would not have been able 235 00:15:30,399 --> 00:15:34,200 to get over and stop the attack in time. So 236 00:15:34,279 --> 00:15:38,919 from that perspective, and maybe that's what he's talking about. Sure, However, 237 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,559 the mere presence of the officer, the mere presence of 238 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:47,759 security or a police officer, acts as a deterrent, and 239 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:53,120 so the deranged maniac might not have even attempted it 240 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:57,960 because of the presence of somebody with a firearm, see 241 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,360 my point. So this is where and this was very 242 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,519 early in the interview, and I thought the reporter did 243 00:16:03,559 --> 00:16:06,600 a good job with the questions that he asked because 244 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:09,200 it's a transcript almost in this piece, it's a very 245 00:16:09,279 --> 00:16:14,240 lengthy piece. But this idea that like, well, we couldn't 246 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,039 we couldn't have done anything to prevent the attack if 247 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:21,000 the guy wanted to attack, or he would have. And again, yes, 248 00:16:21,519 --> 00:16:24,200 but your presence may have actually acted as a deterrent. 249 00:16:24,279 --> 00:16:26,240 So I don't think it's I don't think it's a 250 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,679 good argument to say that, you know, putting a cop 251 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,440 on the train wouldn't have stopped it, because it might have. 252 00:16:31,799 --> 00:16:34,840 You don't know that to be true. In fact, studies 253 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,960 show increased law enforcement presence does in fact reduce crime 254 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:46,879 in the area where law enforcement is Sains asked if 255 00:16:46,919 --> 00:16:49,679 this was a security failure. There was a security failure, 256 00:16:49,679 --> 00:16:52,639 there was no security guard on that train, and Ratliss 257 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,360 said no, on this night, I think that while the 258 00:16:56,399 --> 00:16:58,960 outcome is horrific, it's terrible. Oh sorry, this is now 259 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,879 Brent Kagel from Cats. He says, it's the outcome is horrific, 260 00:17:02,879 --> 00:17:06,799 it's terrible. But the system, the processes, they all functioned 261 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,799 as they should have on that night. So the system 262 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:16,440 worked as intended like this. 263 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:16,599 Speaker 2: This is okay. 264 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:20,079 Speaker 1: That is definitely one way to go here, he says. 265 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,880 I think, knowing what we know now, there may have 266 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,240 been other opportunities for this, but for this person to 267 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:27,319 have got the help they needed, uh or to not 268 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,079 been where they weren't at night, But on this night, 269 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:35,319 I believe that processes. I believe the processes worked, Ratliff said, 270 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,359 I want to talk about the things that were successful 271 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,279 that night. The nine to one one call went in 272 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,200 and then the response from the call coming in six minutes. 273 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,039 This person was in police custody. The reporter says, you 274 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:49,640 say your systems and policies worked, but a woman died, 275 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,400 and Kegel said, absolutely, and I acknowledge that. See, this 276 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,720 is why people conceal carry is because the process worked 277 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:04,720 as intended. After she was dead, a call went in, 278 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,839 police arrived six minutes later, and but for the fact 279 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,440 that the attacker happened to remain on a platform instead 280 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,359 of running away, they caught him. Had he run away, 281 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,240 they probably would not have. So the process worked. And 282 00:18:21,279 --> 00:18:25,400 that's why I concealed carry, because in the minds of professionals, 283 00:18:25,799 --> 00:18:29,559 this is what passes for security. This is a process 284 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:34,599 that works. So then the reporter asks, we have heard 285 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,720 from law enforcement that there is power in presence that 286 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:40,039 if we may have seen, if he may have seen 287 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:42,759 a guard on board that train that night, he would 288 00:18:42,759 --> 00:18:45,480 have thought twice before he did what he did. And 289 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,480 Ratliffe responds, I can't put a police officer or security 290 00:18:49,519 --> 00:18:54,640 officer on every street in Charlotte. It's just not feasible. Well, 291 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,720 that's not that's not what he was asking. He's asking 292 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:03,240 about an officer present on that train. There are far 293 00:19:03,279 --> 00:19:07,960 fewer train cars in Charlotte than there are streets. Nobody's 294 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,160 asking you to put a cop on every single street 295 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:13,480 all the time. The question is, could you put a 296 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:16,680 cop on a train that just runs like an eight 297 00:19:16,759 --> 00:19:18,599 mile line, up and down, up and down. 298 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:19,759 Speaker 2: Up, and then you just put them on the train. 299 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:23,000 He just sits on the train all day? 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Well, 327 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,319 according to the Charlotte Observer, the video shows I've not 328 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:58,559 seen The video shows that he's on the train. She 329 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,359 The video shows her entering and then sitting in front 330 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,359 of Brown. I don't know, like facing each other or 331 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,599 if she has her back to him or what. I 332 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,160 don't know. They don't say that in the in the article, 333 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,759 but this interview that Hunter Sayings got with the three 334 00:21:21,839 --> 00:21:29,279 Cats guys, Brent Kagel, the interim CEO, Eric Ostnessnessess Anyway, 335 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:32,720 the chief safety and security officer for Cats, and Lee Ratliffe, 336 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:35,319 Assistant chief for Professional Security Services. 337 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 2: I think it's unsettling to me. Let me say it 338 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:39,559 that way. 339 00:21:39,839 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: It's unsettling because the way they're answering these questions does 340 00:21:45,279 --> 00:21:52,000 not indicate to me that they are, I don't know, 341 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:56,640 approaching this in the way that I think most people are, 342 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,680 or at least what I'm seeing and hearing in the 343 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:05,599 text line in the emails from the phone calls. It's 344 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,160 just like, Okay, so I can't put a police officer 345 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:12,039 or security officer on every street in Charlotte. It's just 346 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:16,759 not feasible. Nobody's asking for that. Why would you say that? 347 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,039 Ratliffe says that it's not from a budget standpoint. From 348 00:22:22,039 --> 00:22:26,079 a hiring standpoint, the perception of having security and presence 349 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,680 is always great, and we want to increase those numbers. Right, 350 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,960 But at the end of the day, if someone wants 351 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,920 to commit a violent crime and that crime can be 352 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,839 done in seconds. Okay, there's nothing that a police officer 353 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,319 can do to stop that act from happening. We can 354 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,119 react to it, but to prevent it, it's not a 355 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:47,799 lot we can do. So again, that's a false choice, right, 356 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,079 You're setting up sort of a straw man argument here, 357 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,559 because the point is you're like skipping right past the 358 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:01,960 presence of the officer to as a deterrent, and you're 359 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,039 making this argument that you know, well, we can't have 360 00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:06,519 a cop everywhere, and you know people are going to 361 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:08,640 do bad things and all that, and sure that's true, 362 00:23:09,039 --> 00:23:14,000 but the presence of an officer may have convinced this 363 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,079 attacker not to try anything because he saw the officer. 364 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,039 Cagel said, this is the cat's CEO, the interim CEO. 365 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,160 I also know that when we think about trying to 366 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,279 have security personnel everywhere throughout the system, every day, all day, 367 00:23:32,519 --> 00:23:36,839 it's challenging. It's not something that is feasible. The reporter 368 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,960 then asks, we want to be this large, big city, 369 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,680 a world class city. There are other transit systems in 370 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,559 this country that have a goal of putting two officers 371 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:50,759 on every single train from nine pm to five am. 372 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:56,519 Let's say, why can't we do that here? And Ratliffe responds, quote, 373 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,519 we can do anything we choose to do when we 374 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,559 choose to do it, all right, But the thing I 375 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:06,400 want to look at is there's budgets, there's numbers, there's 376 00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,519 all these things that go into factor into those decisions 377 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,400 and how they're made, which that just seems like a dodge. 378 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,440 What's the cost? How many trains are there? How about 379 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,799 we start there. Let's go let's go down to just 380 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:22,799 basic data. Right, how many trains are there? 381 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:25,039 Speaker 3: Ten? 382 00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: Right? 383 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,799 Speaker 1: I mean well that aren't broken with you know, unmaintained 384 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,720 wheel trucks, Like how many are actually running? 385 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:34,799 Speaker 2: Okay? 386 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: And like now I'm not talking cars train cars. I'm 387 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,599 not saying you put an officer in every car. I'm saying, 388 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:44,440 how about one officer on each train and they could 389 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:49,319 walk up and down the train. Right, So, how many trains? 390 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 3: Ten? 391 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:54,599 Speaker 1: So we have ten officers that ride the trains. We 392 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:56,839 could do that, right, What would that cost? Let's see 393 00:24:56,839 --> 00:25:01,039 some numbers running Outlet give me a proposal, show me 394 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,000 some figures. Cat's officials said they know their system is 395 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,559 not perfect, and even before the deadly attack, they said 396 00:25:07,559 --> 00:25:10,880 plans were already underway to enhance safety. Oh so they 397 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,559 did know there are gaps. One of those plans is 398 00:25:14,599 --> 00:25:17,599 to better enforce tickets on the light rail, ensuring riders 399 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:22,839 actually buy a ticket to get on. Yes, yes, that 400 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,960 would be a good idea. People like me have been 401 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,319 saying this for a very long time, that there's no 402 00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:35,559 fair enforcement which allows any sort of homeless, vagrant, criminal 403 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,759 to board the train, victimize people get off and there's 404 00:25:39,839 --> 00:25:42,480 no record or there's no way to kick them off. 405 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,799 And one thing that people are also doing is they 406 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:47,640 get on the train and then if somebody does eventually 407 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,799 come along and ask to see their ticket, they buy 408 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:54,240 the ticket right then and there no see And they 409 00:25:54,279 --> 00:25:58,079 talk about this that, hey, we didn't build this system. 410 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,839 We didn't build our train platforms all this with any 411 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,720 kind of security like turnstiles, so anybody can get on 412 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,759 the platforms, and then anybody can jump on the train 413 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:12,079 when the door's open. A federal study, According to WSOCTV, 414 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,839 a federal study notes that there's an overlap between unpaid 415 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:24,359 train fares and an increase in crime on transit. He 416 00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:28,720 was asked, did the attacker have a ticket to be 417 00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:32,079 on the train, Did de Carlos Brown have a ticket? 418 00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,480 And Cagle said, I do not know the answer. Ratliff said, 419 00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:38,160 I don't know the answer. Austin has said it's part 420 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,160 of the investigation, and the reporter says, seems like a 421 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,759 pretty easy part of that investigation to look up. Ratliff said, 422 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:46,839 that's a really great question. But what's more important to 423 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:52,119 me is getting a conviction. No, right now, it's important 424 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,359 to find out did he have a ticket? And I 425 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,160 suspect just spitballing here making a prediction. 426 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: He did not. 427 00:26:57,839 --> 00:27:00,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to say he did not. He was homeless, 428 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,079 he was insane, so I'm assuming he just got on 429 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:09,000 the train. Thereby proving the point that the reporter Hunter 430 00:27:09,079 --> 00:27:13,519 Sayings is making with this federal study that when you 431 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,799 have high amounts of unpaid train fares, you have more crime. 432 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:29,000 So maybe we focus on enforcing fares. Maybe you harden 433 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:36,160 with exterior security, the train stations put turnstiles in. 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Oh? 456 00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: Pregaming with Brett Winterble. You can hear his whole program 457 00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:49,000 right here on WBT from three until six pm weekdays. 458 00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:50,119 Speaker 2: Brett how Art thou. 459 00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:52,279 Speaker 3: Ah, I'm doing well, Thank you very much. Good. 460 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,759 Speaker 2: Did you get the memo that we are pouncing and seizing. 461 00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:01,799 Speaker 4: So to which directive are we pouncing in season? Oh, 462 00:29:01,839 --> 00:29:03,240 that's a good question because there's a. 463 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 3: Lot of options. 464 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 1: So what did you get a memo about the pouncing 465 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,799 and the seizing for a particular option? Like, are which 466 00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,880 option are you pouncing and seizing upon? Because we may 467 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,200 have gotten different memos or something. 468 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 4: I would say Kamala Harris getting getting a stripped of 469 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,160 her of her secret service. 470 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: So you're pouncing on that, not you're not pouncing. 471 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,079 Speaker 3: I'm encouraging people not to pounce on. 472 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: You're encouraging no pouncing. 473 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 3: Correct. Okay, So I was what are you pouncing? 474 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: And apparently I've been pouncing and seizing on the murder 475 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:41,200 of the Ukrainian refugee on our light rail. 476 00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 3: How can that be? 477 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,319 Speaker 1: Well, according to the let me see here the title here, 478 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,759 the deputy opinion editor of The Charlotte Observer, Paige Maston. 479 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,960 You know who she knows? She makes frequent appearances on 480 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,359 the show. I mean not her but her writings. Yes, 481 00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:06,079 I gain headline Republicans are pouncing on Charlotte's light rail stabbing. 482 00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 3: Wow, because you talked about. 483 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: It, right, Because like we see it as a symbol 484 00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:19,799 of the latest piece of evidence in a general trend. 485 00:30:20,839 --> 00:30:25,599 Speaker 4: So did she post that today? Yes, that is a 486 00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:28,640 very What is her name? I want to page Maston, 487 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,880 Page Maston. I'm not trying to pounce or do any 488 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,039 of that sketchy stuff, but that is not the way 489 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:43,839 you commemorate the passing the murdering of a person not 490 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:45,480 one week ago. 491 00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, it hasn't even been a full week. 492 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,759 Speaker 4: It hasn't been a full week, and for goodness sakes, 493 00:30:50,079 --> 00:30:53,400 I think you need to take the weekend and really 494 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,839 change your approach. 495 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,599 Speaker 2: She says. 496 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,279 Speaker 1: It's the kind of incident that merits a strong response 497 00:30:59,319 --> 00:31:01,920 from Charlotte Lee leaders, especially at a time when fears 498 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,400 about safety are already heightened. Adding to the urgency is 499 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,359 the fact that tragedies like this also present a perception 500 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,279 dilemma that extends beyond the city's borders. For one, Republicans 501 00:31:13,279 --> 00:31:16,359 at the state and national level are eager to characterize 502 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,319 Charlotte as a lawless, crime infested city, touting it as 503 00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:23,960 further quote unquote proof that Democrats are soft on crime. 504 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 3: Well, let me just say something, because I have the clip. 505 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,440 I have the clip. 506 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 4: I went and I harvested the clip and I gotta 507 00:31:31,759 --> 00:31:34,680 tell you the last The first time I came to 508 00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,240 Charlotte in twenty twelve, I watched you guys. 509 00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 3: Boo God, I saw it. I was in the room. Yeah, 510 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,079 I mean, what are we doing? Page? You gotta get 511 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:45,000 your mind right, Paige. 512 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,839 Speaker 1: The North Carolina Republican Party was quick to levy those 513 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,200 accusations on social media, writing quote, Democrats have shown over 514 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,759 the past two weeks they don't take violent crime seriously. 515 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:56,359 It cost this young woman her life in our state's 516 00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:57,720 largest city. It's unacceptedable. 517 00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 4: Wait wait, wait she so she said it was an 518 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,839 insect in the first In the first cause it was 519 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,039 the it was an incident, and then what was the 520 00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:04,359 other one? 521 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 3: It was something else. 522 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,079 Speaker 1: That was very She does call it a tragedy, tragedy, 523 00:32:08,079 --> 00:32:11,799 He says, it's using tragedies to further a partisan political narrative. 524 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 4: Wait, what, what's the tragedy? So she needs to explain 525 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,799 what the tragedy is. Is the tragedy the crazy guy 526 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,359 or is the tragedy the fact that he murdered a 527 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,359 perfectly nice person. 528 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. 529 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: I think it's I think she's talking about the murder. 530 00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:32,160 And then she also criticizes the response from the mayor 531 00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:38,519 and from the police, and uh, she says, the fop 532 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,200 they're raising concerns. Stuff it And basically the whole rest 533 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,799 of the piece sounds a lot like what I've been 534 00:32:43,839 --> 00:32:46,359 saying and you've been saying, sure, yeah, which is odd 535 00:32:46,359 --> 00:32:47,680 because I guess she's not pouncing. 536 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,359 Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing, and let's be honest here and 537 00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:53,039 I'll take I'll take the heat. They can they can 538 00:32:53,079 --> 00:32:54,839 deliver the heat and pounce on me and all that. 539 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,720 Let me just say this really quick. This was somebody 540 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,200 who was from another country. So I guess American life 541 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,480 is more valuable than people who have emigrated for safety. 542 00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:11,720 Speaker 3: Is she an on person? 543 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 4: Now? 544 00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:12,519 Speaker 3: What is this? 545 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 2: Maybe Brett will answer that on his show. 546 00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,039 Speaker 1: All right, that'll do it for this episode. 547 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for listening. 548 00:33:19,559 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: I could not do the show without your support and 549 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,440 the support of the businesses that advertise on the podcast, 550 00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,880 so if you'd like, please support them too and tell 551 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,640 them you heard it here. You can also become a 552 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:33,319 patron at my Patreon page or go to vpetecleanershow dot com. 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