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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome back to the show. This is the
Speaker 3: third installment of Into the culti Verse, featuring Me and
Speaker 3: coldby Colby.
Speaker 1: How are you spectacular? Feeling extra culty?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you were saying, as I was watching Ghostbusters
Speaker 3: for as an Empire, but you feel like you have
Speaker 3: the inck on you?
Speaker 1: Yeah. My choice this week is a little on the
Speaker 1: darker side. It's full of all sorts of fucked up shit.
Speaker 1: So I think you're going first this week, because if
Speaker 1: you're gonna stop listening, it's going to be after Julia's
Speaker 1: eleven word long. Cold.
Speaker 3: Well, you know you compared it to when I was
Speaker 3: researching of stuff for the Pedaphocracy, like McMartin preschool and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, Like it does after a while you
Speaker 3: start kind of feeling black pilled a little bit. And
Speaker 3: maybe that's just my opinion, but it almost made me
Speaker 3: feel like when I was researching that stuff, like what
Speaker 3: is the point of life exactly? I mean, the bad
Speaker 3: guy literally wins.
Speaker 1: In the end. Sometimes sometimes that must mean the good
Speaker 1: guy sometimes wins.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, It's like I got
Speaker 3: to the point where I was like, there's no stopping this.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, God did put us on this planet
Speaker 1: to suffer? If you ask some people, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I mean I get what you mean. I just got
Speaker 1: kind of depressed almost when I was researching that stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: it also makes me feel like my life is pretty
Speaker 1: fucking good when I'm researching how bad some people have it.
Speaker 3: Does it involve kids very much? So? Yeah? See that's
Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, maybe our life is better than most,
Speaker 3: but how many kids are out there right now as
Speaker 3: we're recording this just getting molested as fuck?
Speaker 1: Six? Probably more in this on this block.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll give you that on this block.
Speaker 1: It's pretty molesty block.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got molested last week? You want to tell
Speaker 3: the listeners about it?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear So why don't you tell them.
Speaker 3: I'm molested you all the time?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Actually I'm molested you this week, didn't I daily? That's
Speaker 3: what I thought. Maybe I'll molest you later. I feel lucky.
Speaker 3: So I gave a teaser to the last in the
Speaker 3: last episode that my cult was eleven letters long or yes, sorry,
Speaker 3: eleven words long. No peaking at my notes. I'm going first,
Speaker 3: and so do you want me to jump right in
Speaker 3: or you want to wrap up anything from the last show?
Speaker 3: Did you find anything else out?
Speaker 1: No? I didn't really feel compelled to watch any of
Speaker 1: the anime from the No Science coat.
Speaker 3: What did I cover again? Oh? The Thuggie cult. Well,
Speaker 3: I have been talking a little bit with like JJ
Speaker 3: Vance from the Occult Rejects, and he's been looking into
Speaker 3: a lot of other cults who worship Cali and so
Speaker 3: I guess I mean the Thuggie wouldn't be alone in
Speaker 3: that aspect. There's been a lot of like Cali colts,
Speaker 3: but I think the Thuggi it were the most murderous
Speaker 3: out of all of them. So I don't know. I
Speaker 3: thought that was kind of interesting. But uh Mi cult
Speaker 3: was formed in Uganda and it was called the Movement
Speaker 3: for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. Try
Speaker 3: fitting that on a crop top.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they probably didn't sell many bumper stickers.
Speaker 3: No, That's why I was saying, if you have this
Speaker 3: many words in your title, it's like you should just
Speaker 3: give up before you even get started. Nobody's gonna remember
Speaker 3: that shit, the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten
Speaker 3: Commandments of God. Don't you think they could have just
Speaker 3: called it the Ten Commandments Cult?
Speaker 1: So did some guy think of this when he was
Speaker 1: trying to take a shit and he was reading the Bible?
Speaker 3: No? But you remember you said, oh, it must be
Speaker 3: an English speaking cult, or it must be no, I asked, yeah, Well,
Speaker 3: I didn't want to give too much away. But a
Speaker 3: lot of people in Uganda actually speaks.
Speaker 1: English, so and English English colonized right right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they also speak whatever their
Speaker 3: native language is too. But most of the members of yeah,
Speaker 3: what is it Swahili or something? I don't know what
Speaker 3: it's called.
Speaker 1: Why don't you look it up?
Speaker 3: I don't feel like it. That's the point, though, is
Speaker 3: a lot of the people who were in the Movement
Speaker 3: for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of God spoke English.
Speaker 3: They gave interviews later, the surviving members. I hope I
Speaker 3: didn't give too much away just then, but at least
Speaker 3: one member does their leader. I mean, it's almost too much,
Speaker 3: but I'm glad I'm going first because I feel like
Speaker 3: yours is gonna be even worse. But their leader his
Speaker 3: name was Joseph Kibuwa Terry.
Speaker 1: So maybe he really named the cult such a long
Speaker 1: convoluted title because his name's kind of a mouthful.
Speaker 3: Joseph with Terry Gibua Terry.
Speaker 1: So did you check on pronunciation on that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? And you guess what else? You're never gonna believe it.
Speaker 3: He was featured on an episode.
Speaker 1: Don't say Ghost Adventures.
Speaker 3: Of Ancient Aliens.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a little better.
Speaker 3: They did a cults episode and some of these were mentioned,
Speaker 3: not all of the ones that I picked, but some
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 1: Well, so far two out of three.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the same reason that the uh.
Speaker 1: Is that where you got the idea to cover those.
Speaker 3: Two from Ancia Aliens Buggies and these guys, I mean,
Speaker 3: I remembered them being in an episode, But you know how,
Speaker 3: I never agree with what the final conclusion is. Just
Speaker 3: like I said, the Cali worshiping thing was weird to me,
Speaker 3: and I didn't think that that could be all there
Speaker 3: was to it. They said that this guy was contacting
Speaker 3: an extraterresque and so I don't think that at all, obviously,
Speaker 3: But Joseph Kibbuwiri claimed to be in direct communication with
Speaker 3: the Virgin Mary through electronic devices in his home, like
Speaker 3: fucking Heather o'uroric in Poltergeist type shit, Like all of
Speaker 3: his electronic devices were possessed by the Virgin Mary.
Speaker 1: So what about year is this?
Speaker 3: So it comes to ahead.
Speaker 1: Around like when he's first talking to his toaster in.
Speaker 3: The eighties, but it comes to a head in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety nine. So it was a pretty decently long run
Speaker 3: if you ask me for a cult like this, you know.
Speaker 3: But so Joseph Kibbuwi claimed he was getting static electricity
Speaker 3: phone calls from the Virgin Mary and she was telling
Speaker 3: him things about the future, and he started becoming prophetic
Speaker 3: and having visions, and he predicted the world would end
Speaker 3: on twelve thirty one, nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: That's not an original thought, by the way, wasn't.
Speaker 3: It something like that in you remember Ghostbusters two when
Speaker 3: he's interviewing the psychic and he says that the world's
Speaker 3: going to end in what nineteen.
Speaker 1: Ninety Yeah, Valentine's Day?
Speaker 3: That was, Oh yeah, Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: He's like, why don't you push it out a few years?
Speaker 1: Help out your book sales a little bit. You're not
Speaker 1: even going to make it to paperback.
Speaker 3: Right, So he predicted the world would end December thirty first,
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine, But when the date passed without incident,
Speaker 3: he decided to take matters into his own hands. But
Speaker 3: before we go into that, I want to give you
Speaker 3: a little backstory. The goals of the movement for the
Speaker 3: restoration of the Tin Commandments of God were to, of course,
Speaker 3: first off, obey the ten Commandments and to preach the
Speaker 3: word of Jesus Christ. They thought that to avoid damnation
Speaker 3: in the apocalypse, one had to strictly follow the ten Commandments.
Speaker 1: Once again, nothing original here.
Speaker 3: So the emphasis on the commandments was so strong that
Speaker 3: the group was discouraged from talking for fear of breaking
Speaker 3: the ninth commandment, thou shalt not bear false witness against
Speaker 3: thy neighbor. And on some days communication was only conducted
Speaker 3: in sign language. And mind you, this went on for
Speaker 3: at least what the eighties to the nineties, so ten
Speaker 3: years of sign language.
Speaker 1: So why does talking with your hands stop you from lying?
Speaker 3: Why does he think the world's gonna end on December
Speaker 3: thirty first, nineteen ninety ninety And he's getting static electricity
Speaker 3: phone call from the Virgin Mary's bee hole. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's just like these are the This is why I
Speaker 3: say I brought it up in the last episode. But
Speaker 3: you almost have to wonder if there aren't levels of
Speaker 3: psychopathy to all these cult leaders. It's like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna start this cult and you can't even talk. You can't.
Speaker 3: You gotta use sign language, you gotta do It's like,
Speaker 3: come on now, it's just all control and fear. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, we are covering colts. It is the tactics used
Speaker 1: throughout most but.
Speaker 3: So fasting was conducted regularly and only one meal was
Speaker 3: eaten on Fridays and Mondays. So again it's like this
Speaker 3: control aspect. They don't talk to each other, they're not
Speaker 3: eating except for one meal on Fridays and Mondays, and
Speaker 3: sex was forbidden and soap was forbidden.
Speaker 1: Put me out of business.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm walking away after you know I'm opinionated.
Speaker 3: You take away my speech, I'm out, you take away
Speaker 3: my soap, I'm definitely out. But the worst offense you
Speaker 3: could commit against me is taking my sex away. But
Speaker 3: you might know this, you've committed this offense and paid
Speaker 3: for it. This group also believed aids to be a
Speaker 3: punishment from God due to a breach of the sixth
Speaker 3: commandment to not commit adultery. So that's when they ruled
Speaker 3: sex out completely. And according to Joseph Kibawitteri, God got
Speaker 3: so mad he gave every everybody aids.
Speaker 1: God got so mad he created doctor Fauci.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if they know about Fauci, probably not.
Speaker 3: Back then, maybe Fauci was calling emstatic electricity through the
Speaker 3: TV set.
Speaker 1: You want to wash your hands at least twelve times
Speaker 1: a day. It's going to be hard with that soap.
Speaker 3: So with the new year looming, activity by cult members
Speaker 3: became frenzied. The leaders, so it was Joseph Kibbawati and
Speaker 3: then a couple other guys I'll talk about in a minute,
Speaker 3: urged the members to confess their sins in preparation for
Speaker 3: the end of time, and they so sold all of
Speaker 3: their clothes, they sold all their cattle. People who used
Speaker 3: to be members of the movement got re recruited, and
Speaker 3: everyone who was working in the fields totally quit and
Speaker 3: they just walked away from all everything. But as we
Speaker 3: all know, January first, two thousand passed without advent of
Speaker 3: the apocalypse, and the movement began to unravel any questions
Speaker 3: so far.
Speaker 1: So, how many people are in this thing?
Speaker 3: Well, I can't give it away yet because well I'm
Speaker 3: about to, but quite a few. So the new year
Speaker 3: rolls around, are they localized in Yeah, under the solar temple.
Speaker 3: All these assholes are in one place. You know, they
Speaker 3: had this whole Switzerland, France, Canada thing going on. All
Speaker 3: these people are in Uganda. But so, like I said
Speaker 3: to January first rolls around, nobody's no apocalypto. Nothing happened,
Speaker 3: and people start questioning them and they're like, fuck you, motherfucker.
Speaker 3: We sold all of our clothes, we sold all of
Speaker 3: our cattles. We haven't fucked our wife in ten years,
Speaker 3: we've been speaking in sign language, and we haven't soaked
Speaker 3: our bee hole. They're upset. They've only been eaten on
Speaker 3: Mondays and Fridays. I mean, you can see how.
Speaker 1: I also wonder why he put the days so close
Speaker 1: together that Monday to Friday stretch would be rough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Friday to Monday.
Speaker 3: I could do Friday to Monday, but then you gotta
Speaker 3: go the rest of the week till the next.
Speaker 1: Friday, Friday, and Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Because he's an asshole. He told everybody that the world
Speaker 3: was going to end, and they sold everything that they had.
Speaker 3: I mean, then he said, you can't have sex with
Speaker 3: your wife or soap your beeple.
Speaker 1: And I'm guessing the money went into the colt oh
Speaker 1: one hundred always the case, right, Yeah, But.
Speaker 3: In order to save his ass from making all these
Speaker 3: predictions said the world was going to end, he had
Speaker 3: to take things into his own hands, as I kind
Speaker 3: of said earlier. So what he did was he poisoned
Speaker 3: the shit out of his followers, and he threw some
Speaker 3: of their bodies down wells, and some of them were
Speaker 3: buried in huge dugout pits. And last but certainly not
Speaker 3: least five hundred of them he locked into a wood
Speaker 3: church building and he said it a blaze, a fucking blaze.
Speaker 3: And so in the end, seven hundred and fifty bodies
Speaker 3: were uncovered. But that number actually changes the further we
Speaker 3: go along in the story. So any questions about seven
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty being a member of this cult, no,
Speaker 3: doesn't that seem cray cry to you? Seven hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty people were willing to give up eating soap on
Speaker 3: their bee holes, sex with their wives, and communication.
Speaker 1: Nothing surprises me with masses of people anymore. We lived
Speaker 1: through COVID. But so you believe in somebody enough, he'll
Speaker 1: fucking do anything, even though it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 3: But babe, wouldn't you be the type of person that
Speaker 3: would be like, let me let me see you talking
Speaker 3: to the Virgin Mary through your TV set, Like let's
Speaker 3: see some miracles and some proof of this shit. Like
Speaker 3: I'd be like, call her up right now and let
Speaker 3: me talk to her.
Speaker 1: If this is I still wouldn't fucking joy And even
Speaker 1: if he should talk to her in front.
Speaker 3: Of me, because I don't know if you listen to
Speaker 3: this episode, but somebody I covered in the past that
Speaker 3: Dolfo Constanzo. He claimed that he could make people invisible
Speaker 3: and bullet per and all of these drug lords were
Speaker 3: recruiting him to make their men invisible and bulletproof because
Speaker 3: he was supposed to be some kind of a wizard.
Speaker 3: And it's like, all right, let's try it out. Let's
Speaker 3: like literally get one of your guys, say all right,
Speaker 3: make him invisible and bulletproof, shoot him in the head.
Speaker 1: And see if he dies invisible or invincible, like you.
Speaker 3: Can't visible to the enemy and bulletproof.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think you'd want to demonstrate it. You're right.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, is like, how come nobody ever
Speaker 3: ask for proof of this stuff? No proof?
Speaker 1: That's what I always ask religious people. But I mean
Speaker 1: faith is a concept that comes up in numerous areas
Speaker 1: in life. So I wouldn't say this is any dumber
Speaker 1: than a lot of stuff people believe. Seven hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty is a pretty small group of people.
Speaker 3: I think it's a big group of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, relatively when you look at some of these other cults.
Speaker 1: The company died in San Diego with Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 3: Not seven hundred and fifty. No, maybe fifty, maybe twenty.
Speaker 3: But I actually have it in my notes that it's
Speaker 3: interesting that all three Heaven's Gate, Solar Temple, and Kibblewood
Speaker 3: Terry's cult where were happening around the same time. So
Speaker 3: they and they all were like channeling beings and stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, Heaven's Gate, Solar Temple, and Kibba with Terry.
Speaker 3: They were all getting messages that the world was gonna end,
Speaker 3: that the apocalypse was near. They were all functioning independently
Speaker 3: of each other in the same era. Do you think
Speaker 3: that there's stuff like that going on right now? We
Speaker 3: just won't know about it until there's a bunch of
Speaker 3: bodies that turn up.
Speaker 1: Well, apparently Jared Leto's got some weird shit going on,
Speaker 1: but if you ask Joe Rogan, he's not doing anything wrong.
Speaker 3: Jared Leto started a cult. What is it? A vampire cult?
Speaker 3: What is what's the cult?
Speaker 1: I don't know. But he's operating out a fucking lookout mountain.
Speaker 3: So is it just for the rich and famous or
Speaker 3: anybody can join?
Speaker 1: I think you have to be hot, with nice titties,
Speaker 1: so or a shiny sch long.
Speaker 3: I could potentially join in the future.
Speaker 1: You probably should.
Speaker 3: I feel like I just want to see what it's
Speaker 3: all about.
Speaker 1: Well, it's funny it did come up. I don't even
Speaker 1: remember who. Joe Rogan was talking to Tim Dillon, I think,
Speaker 1: and Tim Dillon was bringing it up, saying it was
Speaker 1: weird that Jared Letto thinks he's Jesus now and has
Speaker 1: a cult.
Speaker 3: Well, he thinks he's Jesus.
Speaker 1: I mean, have you seen some of the fucking videos
Speaker 1: he's made where he's talking and he's like wearing a
Speaker 1: Jesus type robe and he's got his long hair. But
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan just immediately started defending him, which shouldn't surprise
Speaker 1: any of us. But Jamie pulled up some stuff that
Speaker 1: debunked it being a cult. It's just a bunch of
Speaker 1: people having good time listening to thirty seconds from Mars
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, it's just like Eslin, nothing to
Speaker 1: worry about.
Speaker 3: Is he really thinking he's Jesus.
Speaker 1: I think Jared Leto is Jesus myself.
Speaker 3: Really wow. So I mean, if I could get into
Speaker 3: the cold, I flashed my tits or whatever just to
Speaker 3: get it in.
Speaker 1: Do you think Jared Leto's hot?
Speaker 3: It's not that he's hot. I just want to know
Speaker 3: what goes on up there. Look out Mountain Laboratory. That's like,
Speaker 3: that's like exclusive unless you have to like blood in
Speaker 3: or something. I'm not doing that shit. But if it's
Speaker 3: just hot tits, it's just.
Speaker 1: A bunch of fucking people get in listening to music.
Speaker 1: Nothing to worry about.
Speaker 3: Nothing at all. Right, Oh wow.
Speaker 1: It's just like Eslin. It's all good.
Speaker 3: So I want to actually take a closer look at
Speaker 3: the day in question that all of this went down
Speaker 3: with the poisoning and the burying and the burning of
Speaker 3: the seven to fifty body.
Speaker 1: So did he do this January first of two thousand.
Speaker 3: Well, see the problem with it is that investigators say,
Speaker 3: there's no fucking way he could have because of the
Speaker 3: hundreds that were found buried in graves and strown about.
Speaker 3: And so it was like investigators questioned what really happened
Speaker 3: that day. But this is the story they say on Doomsday,
Speaker 3: as they call it. The locals said that the movement
Speaker 3: held a massive party in some city where they roasted
Speaker 3: three bulls and they drank seventy crates of coca cola specifically,
Speaker 3: And at some point during this party, nearby villagers heard
Speaker 3: an explosion, and they looked and found that the building
Speaker 3: in which the party was taking place was engulfed in
Speaker 3: an intense fire that ended up killing five hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty people that were in attendance. The windows and doors
Speaker 3: of the building had been boarded up to prevent people
Speaker 3: from leaving, And then of course they found some poisoned
Speaker 3: outside of the building, and then they found some buried
Speaker 3: outside of the building, and a neighbor who lived near
Speaker 3: the colt later said that the fire caused everything to
Speaker 3: be covered and smoked soot in the stench of burnt flesh,
Speaker 3: and that many could not eat meat for several months
Speaker 3: after the fire because it was so intense especial. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's pretty Craig Craig, right. So the fire alerted the
Speaker 3: Ugandan authorities as to what had been a occurring in
Speaker 3: the movement. But so several days before they hosted this party.
Speaker 3: One of the leaders, because Joseph was kind of like
Speaker 3: in over his head at one point, and recruited some
Speaker 3: other dudes to like beat upper echelon with him, and
Speaker 3: they were like co captains, if you will. One of
Speaker 3: them's name was Dominic and he had been seen buying
Speaker 3: fifty leaders of sulfuric acid, which they presume is what
Speaker 3: started the fire. But the whereabouts of the five principal
Speaker 3: cult leaders Joseph Kibbawati, another guy named Joseph Cassawapari, John Kamagara,
Speaker 3: Dominic Carabaro, and Fredonia Merwidi are unknown to this day.
Speaker 1: Maybe they hopped on the hell Bop comment with Marshall Applewaite, Well.
Speaker 3: When you know something like this has happened, and all
Speaker 3: five of these fucks are unknown whereabouts, missing up until today.
Speaker 3: Don't you start feeling like there's something.
Speaker 1: Afoot, like intelligence tires. Yeah, that's usually my go to.
Speaker 3: They just up and disappeared in Uganda. Nobody can find them.
Speaker 3: I just I don't know.
Speaker 1: To me, that just seems so give you a terry also, huh,
Speaker 1: give you a terry also.
Speaker 3: And I never heard from me, never heard from it again.
Speaker 3: And he had a wife, not that I'm aware of.
Speaker 3: So four days after the church fire, police investigated the
Speaker 3: movement's properties and discovered hundreds of bodies at sites all
Speaker 3: across southern Uganda. Six bodies were discovered sealed in the
Speaker 3: latrine of one of the compounds, as well as one
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty three bodies at a compound in another city,
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty five bodies at Dominick's house where
Speaker 3: they had been poisoned and stabbed to death, and another
Speaker 3: eighty one bodies were at the other Joseph's house. So
Speaker 3: there was Joseph Kibbuwitari and then Joseph what I'm not
Speaker 3: even going to try to pronounce it, this douchebag's last name.
Speaker 1: But so.
Speaker 3: One hundred and fifty five bodies found at Dominick's house,
Speaker 3: eighty one bodies found at the Other Joseph's house, and
Speaker 3: the police stated that they had been murdered about three
Speaker 3: weeks before the church inferno, which seems odd since the
Speaker 3: whole let's burn everybody up in the fire thing was
Speaker 3: because the apocalypse didn't happen.
Speaker 1: So none of these people killed themselves willanly.
Speaker 3: No, And in recent news a twenty twenty BBC report
Speaker 3: suggested that the bodies had actually accumulated over several years
Speaker 3: and the cult may have actually just been a bunch
Speaker 3: of homicidal maniacs on a killing spree, but.
Speaker 1: In the end were killing each other.
Speaker 3: No, the five were homicidal maniacs on a killing spree because,
Speaker 3: like I.
Speaker 1: Said, if the world doesn't end, but then we're just
Speaker 1: gonna have to kill all these five.
Speaker 3: No, they said that the body that were found at
Speaker 3: the Other Joseph's house, in Dominic's house eighty one plus
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty five, they had been murdered three
Speaker 3: weeks before January first. So what sense does that make?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It feels like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: information where not privy.
Speaker 3: Too, but in this twenty twenty report. It says it's
Speaker 3: more likely that the body's accumulated over several years because
Speaker 3: of the amount. How are you gonna how do you
Speaker 3: murder one hundred and fifty five people in one day?
Speaker 3: If you're not They were all stabbed.
Speaker 1: One hundred and fifty five, five guys.
Speaker 3: Eighty one at the other guy's house.
Speaker 1: So that's like thirty six thirty six what a piece?
Speaker 3: Thirty six apiece, one hundred and fifty five.
Speaker 1: It's all stabbed, but then there's the eighty one, so
Speaker 1: that'd be yeah, it'd be like up in the forties apiece.
Speaker 3: Do you think that's possible in one day? In one day?
Speaker 1: Possible?
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I mean you'd have to stop every once in a
Speaker 1: while a while to eat a granola bar, keep on
Speaker 1: stabbing well.
Speaker 3: In the end, medical examiners determined that the majority of
Speaker 3: the three hundred and ninety five individuals who did not
Speaker 3: die in the fire had been poisoned or stabbed, and
Speaker 3: early reports suggested that they had been strangled based on
Speaker 3: the presence of twisted banana fibers around their necks.
Speaker 1: Banana fibers, what's.
Speaker 3: That they take something off a banana tree or something
Speaker 3: and twist it up and check a motherfucker. Never heard
Speaker 3: I write the article, babe. I'm just telling you what found.
Speaker 3: They found twisted banana fibers around.
Speaker 1: Their necks, so they strangled them with bananas.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you could strangle a
Speaker 3: person with a banana, I mean a banana pill.
Speaker 1: Maybe, I don't know.
Speaker 3: You'd have to tie them all together, make some kind
Speaker 3: of cystem, have some kind of contraption.
Speaker 1: A banana rope.
Speaker 3: So, after searching all the sites, the police announced that
Speaker 3: the final death toll was settled at nine hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty four total, so almost a thousand people, which is
Speaker 3: six more than the People's Temple in nineteen seventy eight.
Speaker 3: And all this was supposed to have went down in
Speaker 3: one day.
Speaker 1: It's weird. This one's not well known.
Speaker 3: Isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1: Did they talk about all this shit on ancient aliens?
Speaker 3: No, they just mentioned that Joseph Kibbawitteri had a cult
Speaker 3: and that he was channeling an extraterrestrial who identified herself
Speaker 3: as the Virgin Mary, and that he ended up setting
Speaker 3: some people on fire in the end. They didn't go
Speaker 3: into all these specific details like this, and they were
Speaker 3: collecting bodies over years and burying them all over their
Speaker 3: properties and stuff, because then it would make less sense
Speaker 3: that he was communicating with an extraterrestrial in my opinion,
Speaker 3: if he was just a homicidal weirdo. Right. So, scholars
Speaker 3: have compared the movement for the Restoration of the Ten
Speaker 3: Commandments of God to other similar movements in terms of
Speaker 3: the scale of the deaths, and it's been compared to
Speaker 3: people's temple deaths at Jonestown, it's been compared to the
Speaker 3: Solar Temple, and it's also been compared to the Doomsday
Speaker 3: could run by What's hiss fuck that we talked about
Speaker 3: in the last episode the Tuggies. No, the half blind guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always forget the name of the cult.
Speaker 3: Well, it was called the Doomsday Colt or some call
Speaker 3: it the um Shrinko shrink Shrioko.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm shrik I forget.
Speaker 3: Yes, So that it's been compared to all three of
Speaker 3: those cults, I.
Speaker 1: Don't really see the parallels with Doomsday Oh well, fuck,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them have that you can
Speaker 1: compare them to Heaven's Gate.
Speaker 3: I would compare them more to Heaven's Gate and Solar
Speaker 3: Temple with the fiery explosions and the you know, bodies
Speaker 3: keep pupping, bodies keep popping up. But so the Vice
Speaker 3: President of Uganda said these were callously well orchestrated mass murders,
Speaker 3: perpetrated by a network of diabolic, benevolent criminals masquerading as
Speaker 3: religious people. So he also did not think that they
Speaker 3: were sincere or genuine in their motivation. I guess you
Speaker 3: could say behind the cult.
Speaker 1: They rarely are.
Speaker 3: And so this is part of the interesting shit about
Speaker 3: this cult that I just I mean, it might be
Speaker 3: a stretch or it could be dead on and I
Speaker 3: just don't really understand what the connection is. But somehow
Speaker 3: AIDS gets connected to this, and.
Speaker 1: AIDS is going to come up in my cult too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're trying to say they started this cult
Speaker 3: because of AIDS and the connection is that the AIDS
Speaker 3: epidemic in Uganda had has been viewed by scholars as
Speaker 3: particularly influential in the cult's development because at the time,
Speaker 3: Uganda had one of the highest rates of HIV and
Speaker 3: AIDS infection in the world. And one of the former
Speaker 3: members of the cult that survived his name was Paul
Speaker 3: is a Kaare, and he said his motivation to join
Speaker 3: the Movement for the Restoration of the Ten Commandments of
Speaker 3: God is as follows quote. I joined the movement as
Speaker 3: a protest against the Catholic Church. We had good intentions.
Speaker 3: The church was backsliding, the priests were covered in scandals,
Speaker 3: and the AIDS scourge was taking its toll on the faithful.
Speaker 3: The world seemed poised to end end quote. So they're
Speaker 3: blaming scandals in the Catholic Church and the AIDS epidemic
Speaker 3: on how Joseph Kibbawa Terry was able to pull this
Speaker 3: off for nearly ten years, murdering hundreds of people along
Speaker 3: the way. Okay, do you see how AIDS fits into it?
Speaker 1: Well, it was a scary time. There was this these
Speaker 1: weird deaths popping up, and you know the way that
Speaker 1: the media covered it, and then he threw AZT in
Speaker 1: the mix, and motherfuckers just started dropping dead. I could
Speaker 1: see it causing an uprising of fear.
Speaker 3: But if since we know what we know about Fauci
Speaker 3: basically and AIDS in general, and AIDS in general, like
Speaker 3: Fauci basically was the engineer of AIDS, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the speculation if you follow the trail.
Speaker 1: But he at least capitalized on it and killed a
Speaker 1: lot of people with EZT.
Speaker 3: So they were so scared of AIDS and in the
Speaker 3: movement for the Restoration of the Law, they said that
Speaker 3: AIDS was a punishment for not following the Ten Commandments.
Speaker 3: So you could see how like a pandemic like that
Speaker 3: kind of like COVID. What COVID did to people's minds.
Speaker 3: It could scare you into thinking like the world really
Speaker 3: was coming to an end, Like look at the QAnon stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean nobody you know, a thousand people didn't die
Speaker 3: being a part of QAnon, but thousands of people died
Speaker 3: due to COVID stuff, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: See the first part again.
Speaker 3: That pandemics can cause.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but with the QAnon.
Speaker 3: Because of COVID, people started like believing that q and
Speaker 3: on stuff was real and like we were gonna have
Speaker 3: a mask. Do you remember when masks shut down of
Speaker 3: electricity and stuff.
Speaker 1: In days of darkness?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you remember that? Do you see how I'm saying,
Speaker 3: like pandemics can cause people to start searching for into
Speaker 3: the world type things. So if you were in the
Speaker 3: middle of AIDS and you felt like it was a
Speaker 3: judgment on you from God. How you could see how
Speaker 3: people would be like, yeah, the end of the world
Speaker 3: is coming. Maybe just if Kibbawittaria is right.
Speaker 1: I mean, fear mixed people do all sorts of irrational shit.
Speaker 1: It makes you believe if you walk into a restaurant
Speaker 1: you need to wear your mask until you sit down
Speaker 1: at your table because you know you're told to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all I'm saying is I guess I see how
Speaker 3: they're saying. AIDS could have played a part in the
Speaker 3: formation of this group.
Speaker 1: And this was in an area of the world where
Speaker 1: it was really out of control.
Speaker 3: But the reason I bring up COVID is because if
Speaker 3: COVID caused mass hysteria like this, it was also perpetrated
Speaker 3: by Anthony Fauci and so is An AIDS and AIDS
Speaker 3: actually started a cult that's killed almost a thousand people
Speaker 3: in Uganda.
Speaker 1: So you're coming around to understanding the AIDS thing, because
Speaker 1: at first you were like saying you didn't I.
Speaker 3: Didn't get it at first, but now I'm starting to
Speaker 3: get it. But my thing is, if we're going to
Speaker 3: take this story about the Uganda cult in a thousand
Speaker 3: dead because of AIDS, and then all the people who
Speaker 3: died of AIDS, including Freddy Mercury rip. And then we're
Speaker 3: going to take Eddy Mercury probably died from AZT he
Speaker 3: probably well, he died of faucida and then he all
Speaker 3: if we take all the people who died from COVID,
Speaker 3: and we could say that Actually, uh, Anthony Fauci rivals
Speaker 3: Barram from the Thuggie cult as being one of the
Speaker 3: most prolific mass murderers of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's just a henchman.
Speaker 3: But so wasn't Baram? Right, So the Guinness Book of
Speaker 3: World Record says Burram is the most prolific serial killer
Speaker 3: who's ever lived. I would say Bill Gates and Fauci
Speaker 3: could probably top him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they'll both go down in the history books as.
Speaker 3: Heroes, philanthropists and such great scientists and saviors.
Speaker 1: Uh not scientists. I am the science.
Speaker 3: He is the science. Right. Anyways, that's the movement for
Speaker 3: the restoration of the Ten Commandments of God. What did
Speaker 3: you think I.
Speaker 1: Need to make a movement myself?
Speaker 3: You got a poop?
Speaker 1: That was the joke. No, it was good. I'm curious
Speaker 1: to learn more about it because it seems like yeah,
Speaker 1: five guys.
Speaker 3: A thousand people, let's just round up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, those the math doesn't add up.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why the BBC report said, logically they probably
Speaker 3: collected those body over the course of several years.
Speaker 1: There was no sign of any suicide.
Speaker 3: No, they were either strangled or poisoned, or stabbed or
Speaker 3: burnt to a crisp.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe if you only speak in sign language
Speaker 1: and refuse to.
Speaker 3: Have sex or soap your bee hole.
Speaker 1: This is a blessing in disguise.
Speaker 3: Would you give it one out of ten talking televisions?
Speaker 1: Four? Four?
Speaker 3: You need to justify your answer because I'm almost offended
Speaker 3: on behalf of the movement of the restoration of the
Speaker 3: tink Commandments of God. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's just that I don't know enough. It just
Speaker 1: seems like a.
Speaker 3: Am I not good at presenting this stuff. I'm starting
Speaker 3: to think I'm not a good presenter of cults.
Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with.
Speaker 3: You, because I feel like you said that about the
Speaker 3: Solar Temple.
Speaker 1: Are you reading these as well? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I would give the movement of the restoration of the
Speaker 3: Ten Commandments of God at least eight out of ten
Speaker 3: talking televisions?
Speaker 1: All right, I think that you haven't been though what
Speaker 1: rating them? You've just been asking me to rate them.
Speaker 3: So I rate your cult The Stone. Maybe I can't
Speaker 3: even remember and it's my own show.
Speaker 1: You said you liked Happy Science better than Synanon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm giving sin and On a like a two
Speaker 3: out of ten Cynanons that.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, I feel like I'm not a good presenter.
Speaker 3: No, because you always say you need more information. Maybe
Speaker 3: I'm not digging far enough in is that it?
Speaker 1: No, I don't feel like the information's out there with
Speaker 1: some of the stuff you've reported, like this, this one right.
Speaker 3: Here, I gave you all I could find.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I'm not critiquing. I'm not giving Julia
Speaker 1: four out of ten researcher points. You asked what I
Speaker 1: thought of the story of the cult. But know what
Speaker 1: makes me sad? What?
Speaker 3: This has been my favorite cult I've covered so far.
Speaker 1: We do not have to think alike.
Speaker 3: I think it's just so interesting that he piled these
Speaker 3: bodies up for several years, and like he almost killed
Speaker 3: a thousand people because of AIDS since he was heather
Speaker 3: or roarking and talking to the Virgin Mary through his TV.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's that's pretty cool. That's dope
Speaker 3: as fuck as far as deadly colts go that are unknown.
Speaker 3: You'd never heard about it. And his last name is
Speaker 3: Kibble with Terry, all right, ten out of ten Kibble
Speaker 3: with Terries, all of it.
Speaker 1: I'm switching my answer.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't switch it now, you already gave it. I
Speaker 3: don't want your sympathy. Kibble with Terries.
Speaker 1: Well, like I said, I wasn't given you the eating.
Speaker 3: So anyways, any closing thoughts on Kibble Terry.
Speaker 1: Don't get AIDS. Yeah, I guess practice safe but sex
Speaker 1: m h.
Speaker 3: Europ smalls.
Speaker 1: This week, I'm presenting to all of you find cult
Speaker 1: members out there, the Children of God, known today as
Speaker 1: the Family International. Now, Julia, when you hear children of God,
Speaker 1: what comes to mind, religion wise? Just those words? Or
Speaker 1: children of God cult?
Speaker 3: Oh, well, that makes me think of something totally different
Speaker 3: than Children of God. Children of God cult. I don't know, uh,
Speaker 3: some type of Christian cult.
Speaker 1: Well. I did give a hint at the end of
Speaker 1: last episode about with Phoenix rising from the ashes only
Speaker 1: to be eaten by the viper?
Speaker 3: Do you remember very cryptic clue?
Speaker 1: I didn't explain it to you afterward.
Speaker 3: You did, but yeah, I'm not gonna say what it is.
Speaker 1: Well, I was alluding to River Phoenix because his family
Speaker 1: was part of this, and I think that Joaquin was
Speaker 1: a little kid. But we know about Rose McGowan and
Speaker 1: Joaquin and River Phoenix being brought up in this cult.
Speaker 1: I think Joaquin was pretty young when they got out
Speaker 1: of it. But that's how I had heard of this
Speaker 1: when it first came onto my radar. I'd heard about
Speaker 1: how there was this weird Christian cult in California. It
Speaker 1: turns out it was kind of all over the place,
Speaker 1: but the story does originate in California. As the leader
Speaker 1: one David Berg. He was born in Oakland, California, in
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen. And I'll just talk about kind of his
Speaker 1: story end upbringing and real quick.
Speaker 3: Rose McGowan is the blonde chick from Scream that dies
Speaker 3: in the Dog Door.
Speaker 1: Correct, continue And she was also, you know, quite vocal
Speaker 1: during the Me Too movement with the Harvey Winds.
Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't know about that, but I just wanted
Speaker 3: to make sure it was the same one that died
Speaker 3: in the dog Door.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rose McGowan, she'd been in a few movies in
Speaker 1: the nineties, Weinstein. She got Weinstein.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: She was in the movie Jawbreakers.
Speaker 3: She was cute. It was Have you seen her recently?
Speaker 1: She looks the same to me. She just sent you
Speaker 1: for her. You haven't seen her. I've seen her, and
Speaker 1: you don't think she's still cute.
Speaker 3: I think she was cuter in the nineties before she
Speaker 3: got Weinstein took some of her joy away.
Speaker 1: You know, Well, she was the one who's clapping back
Speaker 1: against a lot of these fakers.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I thought you were going to say
Speaker 3: something totally different what I thought you were going to say. Well,
Speaker 3: she was the one clapping ass for Weinstein.
Speaker 1: Clapping ass, yeah.
Speaker 3: Clapping her ass cheeks, tworking on his dick, popping that puss,
Speaker 3: bouncing on the d.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, all right. David Berg was the leader of
Speaker 1: this thing. And to understand the fucked upidness of the
Speaker 1: children of God, you gotta peek into his past a
Speaker 1: little bit. Like I said, he was born in nineteen nineteen. Well,
Speaker 1: he came from a long line of Christians, almost evangelical
Speaker 1: or what do you call the group that your family
Speaker 1: was a part of, Pentecostal.
Speaker 3: Pinecostal Pentecostal, Pentecostal Pentecostal.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, and so his grandpa what was his name,
Speaker 1: John Lincoln, and this guy was the real deal. In fact,
Speaker 1: there's still churches. Let's see if I could see this
Speaker 1: that he started that are still active today, like you
Speaker 1: know you see your.
Speaker 3: Like regular Pentecostal churches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the Disciples of Christ. And if it's
Speaker 1: the Church of Christ, do you ever see the Church
Speaker 1: of Christ that's from him?
Speaker 3: I didn't know the Church of Christ was Pentecostal though.
Speaker 1: Well he may not have been as much. But his daughter,
Speaker 1: Virginia Lee Brandt, her story kind of spills over into
Speaker 1: like how David became what he became. So she was
Speaker 1: the daughter of this evangelical guy and she wasn't having
Speaker 1: any of it, and when she got older, she kind
Speaker 1: of broke off and did her own thing. The story
Speaker 1: goes she was in an accident where she was thrown
Speaker 1: from a horse buggy and she broke her back and
Speaker 1: she couldn't walk, and then miraculously, by the hand of God,
Speaker 1: she was healed and so she became a believer again.
Speaker 1: But it turns out all that was bullshit. She went
Speaker 1: cut herself off from her family.
Speaker 3: And was she wasn't thrown off a horse.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So when I first started looking into this and
Speaker 1: I read into that story, a lot of sources just
Speaker 1: said said it like it was so, And then you
Speaker 1: start getting into it. It turns out the years that
Speaker 1: she said she was bedridden and immobile, she was actually
Speaker 1: rebellion and she was going to a college and she
Speaker 1: was an atheist. But then she met Hejalmer Emmanuel Berg,
Speaker 1: and that is David's dad, and he came from a
Speaker 1: long line of Christians that also were kind of evangelical.
Speaker 1: They had like a circus trooper, a theatrical stage show
Speaker 1: that they would travel with a circus act. Well that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying it was, but it was like theater,
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, he did do some circus shit
Speaker 1: if I remember.
Speaker 3: Right in the name of God or separate.
Speaker 1: He's from Smaland whatever the fuck that is.
Speaker 3: I don't even think that's a real place. She that
Speaker 3: sounds made.
Speaker 1: A Calmer castle near or near Kamal. So it's in Sweden, Okay, Swedish.
Speaker 3: He's Swedish. Yeah, and he has a circus act for
Speaker 3: the Lord. What a what a guy?
Speaker 1: So, Dad, there's no picture. David comes into the world,
Speaker 1: and he's got these two evangelical parents, and he was
Speaker 1: a horn dog from the beginning, chronic MASTURBATORO no. And
Speaker 1: he was caught by his mother yanking at one time
Speaker 1: when he was really young, and she brought in a
Speaker 1: bowl and a knife and told him that if he
Speaker 1: didn't start playing with his wienie, she was going to
Speaker 1: chop it off.
Speaker 3: She made him masturbate.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, that's you're getting ahead of me. But she
Speaker 1: told him if she if he didn't stop playing with it, oh.
Speaker 3: If he didn't stop, she was going to cut it off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like she was trying to get him to quit masturbating.
Speaker 3: Like circumcision, but the actual hole tip of the dick,
Speaker 3: just off.
Speaker 1: The whole tip is circumcision. The whole dick would be
Speaker 1: what she was threatening. But anyway, years later, when he
Speaker 1: was in his early teens, she walked him on him
Speaker 1: doing it again. This time she went and got all
Speaker 1: of his family, brought them down there and made him finish.
Speaker 1: And that that's like when you get caught smoking, you
Speaker 1: can gonna smoke the whole pack.
Speaker 3: Now, oh my god, So.
Speaker 1: To me, this this incident really plays out and it
Speaker 1: plays a huge role in what this guy is going
Speaker 1: to become.
Speaker 3: And how do you even keep your chub going in
Speaker 3: front of your family enough to finish I don't know.
Speaker 3: Could you look into the eyes of your mother and
Speaker 3: keep your chub on?
Speaker 1: Well, it even gets weirder because she had a tour
Speaker 1: she was on and he was with her. This is
Speaker 1: when he was nineteen and one night they were in
Speaker 1: a hotel room and they shared a bed and it
Speaker 1: was really cold, and his mom embraced him, and he
Speaker 1: describes this in a letter he wrote later, and we'll
Speaker 1: get into these letters, but he basically said that he'd
Speaker 1: never been so aroused and that if his mom would
Speaker 1: have been into it, he definitely would have fucked her.
Speaker 1: I mean, he describes this in great detail. So once
Speaker 1: he gets his movement going, he writes a whole series
Speaker 1: of letters and that was one of them.
Speaker 3: So he's just perverted.
Speaker 1: Oh just wait, it's the perversion is only starting here.
Speaker 1: After moving around with his family in nineteen forty nine,
Speaker 1: David gains his first pastorate in Arizona. Shortly after, in
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty, he has a falling out and gets kicked
Speaker 1: out of the church, and this initiates a huge distaste
Speaker 1: for organized religion. So he starts kind of figuring out,
Speaker 1: how am I going to do this differently? And he's
Speaker 1: still hanging out with his mom quite a bit, and
Speaker 1: he notices where they were. This was probably somewhere in California.
Speaker 1: She was starting to feed people and she would make
Speaker 1: peanut butter sandwiches and all these hippies would start coming in,
Speaker 1: and she told David that these people needed to be
Speaker 1: saved and that they were hungry for Jesus and peanut
Speaker 1: butter apparently, so that kind of plants the seed in
Speaker 1: his head. He ends up getting married, having four kids
Speaker 1: with a woman named Jane. In nineteen sixty sixty eight.
Speaker 1: The family ends up in Huntington Beach and at this
Speaker 1: point his kids, well, I'm not saying his kids started
Speaker 1: the band, but they were in a band called the
Speaker 1: Berg Family Singers and they sang Christian music. Eventually they
Speaker 1: became teens for Christ. But in Huntingdon Beach, they would
Speaker 1: post up outside of a coffee shop and they would
Speaker 1: play pop music and then people would kind of gather
Speaker 1: around to watch the kids perform, and then they would
Speaker 1: lure them into the coffee shop and start the recruitment program.
Speaker 1: So initially this thing was a lot like all these
Speaker 1: cults in California at this time period. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of disillusioned hippies. You know, they'd been burned by
Speaker 1: the free love thing and they were looking for answers elsewhere.
Speaker 1: And so this was kind of one of the cults
Speaker 1: that it took, you know, the Manson model, but they
Speaker 1: did something quite different with it. A few dozen young
Speaker 1: hippies join and it really starts to snowball at this point.
Speaker 1: By nineteen sixty nine, they have around two hundred members
Speaker 1: and they establish a colony outside the ghost town of Thurber, Texas,
Speaker 1: on a four hundred and twenty five acre ranch belonging
Speaker 1: to sul.
Speaker 3: They get from California to.
Speaker 1: Texas well, they moved around, and I think at this
Speaker 1: point they had already tried to like establish themselves in
Speaker 1: Arizona and that was short lived, and then they end
Speaker 1: up in Texas and the guy that so this was
Speaker 1: a place called Soul Clinic, and it was a non
Speaker 1: denominal organization ran by an evangelist, a television evangelist that
Speaker 1: Berg knew from his past, and they set up there
Speaker 1: and so his followers went by biblical names, and he
Speaker 1: broke them up into twelve groups that were supposed to
Speaker 1: represent the twelve tribes of Israel. And they were, you know,
Speaker 1: to earn their keep at the soul clinic on this
Speaker 1: ranch outside of this ghost town. They did work and
Speaker 1: it was real meager in the beginning. They didn't eat
Speaker 1: a lot. What they did eat, it was not very
Speaker 1: high quality. And they really want to start growing this
Speaker 1: thing and expanding it.
Speaker 3: Was it just stuff they could grow or yeah?
Speaker 1: They I mean they were on a ranch and they
Speaker 1: would get food, but they also part of the work
Speaker 1: detail was to go out into neighboring towns and find food.
Speaker 1: And so, like I said, at this time, there's only
Speaker 1: a couple of avenge Yeah, I mean, were they were.
Speaker 3: Desperate like dumpster diving?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's testimony of people saying and they're
Speaker 1: eating like rotten food. Absolutely not some of the some
Speaker 1: of the people that were on the compound got so
Speaker 1: hungry that they're eating, you know, food that was supposed
Speaker 1: to be for the livestock.
Speaker 3: Okay, can we not have a relationship with God without
Speaker 3: all of this? This is just a regular Christian based well.
Speaker 1: In the beginning, he told the followers that he was
Speaker 1: first starting to amass, that you guys have tried rebellying
Speaker 1: against the system, and he called he coined the system
Speaker 1: as something that was the law, organized religion, your family,
Speaker 1: and he wanted you to break away from all of it.
Speaker 1: And he said, and this is this kind of reminds
Speaker 1: me of the shit I would see in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Was these guys who were all buttoned down and they
Speaker 1: want to They're talking like the kids, and they're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, knew who was really radical, Jesus, And if
Speaker 1: you want to rebel against the system, you do it
Speaker 1: through Jesus. And so that was the whole mentality. And
Speaker 1: so these people, like a lot of these guys said
Speaker 1: that being on this in this colony in Texas, that
Speaker 1: they had like drug addiction problems and their lives were
Speaker 1: fucked up. But they actually got clean and sober and
Speaker 1: found Jesus through this, So it wasn't all negative.
Speaker 3: I just I guess as a sane person, I just
Speaker 3: don't know why you'd need any of that to have
Speaker 3: your own relationship with the Lord.
Speaker 1: They wanted to be spending time with the Lord.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to eat rotten food out of a Dempster.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's another thing, is like, uh, his grandpa,
Speaker 1: so his mom's dad. He really preached minimalism, you know.
Speaker 3: Okay, but why couldn't one of them at least have
Speaker 3: a job working a fruit stand or something to generate
Speaker 3: a little cash flow.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure there was stuff like that going on.
Speaker 3: So that they could at least eat normal foods.
Speaker 1: Well at one point, and this kind of reminds me
Speaker 1: of the dude from Synanon. Once things start to get
Speaker 1: a little bit better, you know, he benefits from that
Speaker 1: and he gets his own little place, and the others
Speaker 1: still have to live this very meager existence unless you're
Speaker 1: in his inner circle. But they start growing quite a bit.
Speaker 1: They travel around and they recruit other lost souls, a
Speaker 1: lot of them, you know.
Speaker 3: People hungry for dumpster garland.
Speaker 1: I mean, think about the hippie lifestyle at the time.
Speaker 1: A lot of these people were used to that shit.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, hippies were eating out of the dumpster too,
Speaker 3: for sure. Can no one afford a cheeseburger.
Speaker 1: This was the sixties, Well, this was the late sixties.
Speaker 1: He started this thing. The first official year of Children
Speaker 1: of God was nineteen sixty eight.
Speaker 3: Do you know how much a cheeseburger costed in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty eight. You're saying not one of them could afford
Speaker 3: to eat.
Speaker 1: Real well, And when you joined this thing, you you
Speaker 1: parted ways with your finances, with your familial ties. I
Speaker 1: mean this was cult one oh one. So yeah, these
Speaker 1: people were sacrificing for a better cause in their minds.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say anything else about the diet teing situation,
Speaker 3: but I'm disturbed and I don't like it.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we're gonna start getting into the weird stuff
Speaker 1: here in a second.
Speaker 3: The dumpster diving isn't part of the weird stuff.
Speaker 1: That's gonna look like nothing when we're done with all this.
Speaker 3: Sure, but you know how I am about food. I
Speaker 3: just couldn't imagine.
Speaker 1: So like before, he ends up having a falling out
Speaker 1: with the guy who ran the soul clinic in Texas
Speaker 1: and they gotta go. Something I did fail to mention.
Speaker 1: Before they moved out here in California, he had said
Speaker 1: that there was a major earthquake coming, and I think
Speaker 1: he said in forty days, And of course it didn't happen,
Speaker 1: And people still were on board with this at one point,
Speaker 1: and I think this might have been a little bit
Speaker 1: later down the road. He mentioned that there was going
Speaker 1: to be a common impact with Earth and that didn't happen.
Speaker 1: And he also once the seventies are all around, he
Speaker 1: says that America is going to fall and they should
Speaker 1: get out. I mean, he had a thing where he
Speaker 1: would let other people kind of do the preaching, and
Speaker 1: somebody prophesied that the king would return and it was
Speaker 1: going to be David. But he was talking about David
Speaker 1: of the Bible. Yeah, King David, and a lot of people. Yeah.
Speaker 1: In fact, when you start getting into this, King David
Speaker 1: was one of the pseudonyms that Berg went by. But
Speaker 1: he saw the positive response to this, and he told
Speaker 1: all his followers that that sermon was based on him
Speaker 1: and that he was He also claimed to be Moses.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at his picture here, this
Speaker 1: is what this guy looked like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like a Charlottean, don't they all. But
Speaker 3: in Christianity, we don't believe in reincarnation. So what was
Speaker 3: this stuff about.
Speaker 1: I didn't start the fucking thing, so wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, It's like I can't even I can't
Speaker 3: even talk because I'm so pissed.
Speaker 1: We'll just wait.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, if it were you, and let's
Speaker 3: just say, in some stretch of the imagination, you were
Speaker 3: interested in Christianity.
Speaker 1: I was at one point in my life.
Speaker 3: Hey, the guy you're eating out of a fucking sonic
Speaker 3: dumpster and his none of his predictions are coming true
Speaker 3: and you're still and then he's claiming reincarnation and stuff.
Speaker 3: It's like, if you were Moses or King David, wouldn't
Speaker 3: you have at least got the fucking earthquake right? He's
Speaker 3: getting nothing right and I'm eating a fucking dumpster dog.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like the lifestyle if you're mad now.
Speaker 3: But wouldn't that be a red flag to you?
Speaker 1: No? I would follow this guy to the end, obviously.
Speaker 3: It's just I this is the country we live in
Speaker 3: where people do stuff like this.
Speaker 1: Well, you just talked about a cult that was in Uganda.
Speaker 1: Can we not just say it's part of the human
Speaker 1: condition that people are looking for answers and when they
Speaker 1: see them somewhere, they tie themselves to it entirely.
Speaker 3: This just makes me want to become a hermit somewhere
Speaker 3: and never introduce myself to any new people.
Speaker 1: Ever, again, that sounds like a good answer. So at
Speaker 1: this point, you know, he'd been kicked out of the
Speaker 1: ranch in Texas. He's been telling his followers that he
Speaker 1: is Moses King, David, father, David. I mean, he had
Speaker 1: a lot of nicknames, Chairman, Moe, David, Fontaine, Dad, Grandpa.
Speaker 1: And he did start going by mo sh short for Moses.
Speaker 1: And you know when I mentioned that he had talked
Speaker 1: about that experience with his mom in the hotel, that
Speaker 1: was part of a series of these things he would do,
Speaker 1: and they ended up calling them the Mo letters. I mean,
Speaker 1: you can go back in the way back machine and
Speaker 1: read all of these and I mean there.
Speaker 3: Is that he got a stiff one for his mom,
Speaker 3: there's hunt.
Speaker 1: Oh, there's stuff that he talks about in here. We'll
Speaker 1: start to get into that. So he visits Europe, Israel,
Speaker 1: and Cyprus in the early seventies and he ends up
Speaker 1: getting kicked out of Israel the Holy Land. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: at that point he kind of starts to take on
Speaker 1: an anti Semitic angle, much like what we're seeing today.
Speaker 3: How do you get kicked out of the Holy Land?
Speaker 1: Something to do with paperwork, But he took it as
Speaker 1: being really it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Like being on Jesus's tomb or anything.
Speaker 1: Is Jesus' tomb in Israel?
Speaker 3: Isn't that part of the Holy Land.
Speaker 1: St I have no idea about the tomb.
Speaker 3: I don't know either, honestly.
Speaker 1: So this thing does start to rapidly grow. I think
Speaker 1: they ended up getting by the early seventies, they had
Speaker 1: like twelve thousand devout followers of this thing. And everywhere
Speaker 1: he goes the religion they call it a religion, it
Speaker 1: breaks off and there's these tiny compounds and they correspond
Speaker 1: with the leader through these letters that he writes. And
Speaker 1: you know, of course this was before the Internet. So anyway,
Speaker 1: when he is in London, they figure out a way.
Speaker 1: Oh he also for I got to include this part.
Speaker 1: He got a message from God saying that, you know,
Speaker 1: polyamory was okay, and in fact, if you look at
Speaker 1: the Bible, it was quite common. So he starts doing
Speaker 1: some of the Mormon shit and he announces to his
Speaker 1: followers that he's going to take a second wife. And
Speaker 1: it's crazy because Jane, his first wife, had recruited this
Speaker 1: young woman named Karen Zerby, and she was pretty young
Speaker 1: at the time. I think David was twenty eight years
Speaker 1: older than her, but Jane went to the house where
Speaker 1: her parents were and distracted them and they kidnapped her essentially.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she was of age. But they
Speaker 1: left and David really saw something in her and this.
Speaker 3: Yeah hot young tits and ask yeah, but she wasn't
Speaker 3: even that hot. Maybe to him she was, well he.
Speaker 1: Saw something in her or otherwise and this young puss.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is what inspired his revelation to.
Speaker 3: Where, you know, I'm sure it had something to do
Speaker 3: with it.
Speaker 1: Polyamory slash polygamy. I think it would be more polyamory, but.
Speaker 3: Polyamory wasn't in the Bible. Polygamy was polygamy was not
Speaker 3: fuck whoever.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, and when you take on multiple
Speaker 1: wives in this country, it's it's not legal marriage. So
Speaker 1: if you take on a second wife, third wife, of course,
Speaker 1: it's just between y'all. It has nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the state. So he's still technically married to Jane. But
Speaker 1: he also takes on Karen and in one of his
Speaker 1: mo letters he's describing like how they were interacting with
Speaker 1: each other and talks about how she was a virgin
Speaker 1: and it was just necking it first. It took me
Speaker 1: a long time to open her up. Open her up, well,
Speaker 1: I think those were the very words he used. But anyway,
Speaker 1: he takes her as his second wife. They end up
Speaker 1: going over to London in nineteen seventy two.
Speaker 3: Ge wife over there.
Speaker 1: No, he starts to incorporate this practice called flirty fishing.
Speaker 1: And other cults have done this, but he's the one
Speaker 1: that gave it a name. And so you would entice
Speaker 1: others to join by sending out the women to sleep
Speaker 1: with people, and then when once that happened, you would
Speaker 1: try to recruit them.
Speaker 3: Do you zan women?
Speaker 1: I think it was mainly men, and they were going after,
Speaker 1: you know, people with money because because.
Speaker 3: They were tired of eating dumpster dogs.
Speaker 1: Well at this point I think they had kind of
Speaker 1: moved past that. But they ended up in this resort
Speaker 1: in the Canary Islands where Karen who I think she
Speaker 1: went by Mama Maria or mother Maria Mama, and she
Speaker 1: was said to have like at this one hotel, I
Speaker 1: think she slept with God, it was a handful of dudes.
Speaker 1: And when you did this filthy flirting or filthy flirting,
Speaker 1: this flirty fishing, you had to like document all of it,
Speaker 1: and the people who were doing this they had to
Speaker 1: report once a month to David and say this is
Speaker 1: how many suck this is this is what we did.
Speaker 1: And this person has joined now and YadA, YadA, YadA.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so they're keeping score.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she at one point at this hotel, she had
Speaker 1: been with god I think it was like fifty something
Speaker 1: guys what And she ended up getting pregnant. And it
Speaker 1: was a guy named Carlos Rodriguez. He was a maintenance
Speaker 1: guy at this hotel, and they ended up having this
Speaker 1: kid named They called him David Ito David Itto like
Speaker 1: little Little David.
Speaker 3: His leaders he was part of the cult too, Carlos.
Speaker 1: Carlos ended up not being part of the cult because
Speaker 1: around the time that this is happening, the mo letters
Speaker 1: that he's sending out are just getting really weird. He
Speaker 1: starts telling everybody that the law of man and the
Speaker 1: law of God and I'm paraphrasing here, aren't the same thing.
Speaker 1: And he starts talking about sex being positive no matter
Speaker 1: who it's with, no matter what their age is, and
Speaker 1: he starts kind of encouraging the members to engage in
Speaker 1: sexual activity even with their own family, and it turns
Speaker 1: out that he had been doing this within his own family.
Speaker 3: So he having sex with his kids.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he talked about how when you when your kids
Speaker 1: can't go to sleep, you suck them off. Well he
Speaker 1: called give it give him a front rub. He talked
Speaker 1: about how when when his daughter reached the age of
Speaker 1: nine and she had trouble sleeping, and like I said,
Speaker 1: this is gonna get fucking disturbing, and this is the
Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg. So he starts incorporated reading this
Speaker 1: into his teachings. And when these mo letters started, they
Speaker 1: were mainly like his interpretation of Bible verses. But then
Speaker 1: he starts going, I mean it was slow dripped, like
Speaker 1: he would use sexual innuendo when he was talking about
Speaker 1: like basic stuff that wasn't sexual. And then you know,
Speaker 1: after a few years go by, he just everything is
Speaker 1: sex with him.
Speaker 3: Well, this is what happened when the chronic masturbate and
Speaker 3: pervert with a stiff one for his mom starts a
Speaker 3: cult behind the lord's name.
Speaker 1: Well, when he was a little boy, he claimed that
Speaker 1: he had a caretaker who would suck him off when
Speaker 1: he couldn't go to sleep at night. Conveniently, what no
Speaker 1: this is this is real.
Speaker 3: You don't think he just put that part in there
Speaker 3: to make it seem less weird what he was doing.
Speaker 1: No, I think that this was absolutely real.
Speaker 3: I think that I think he's a modern day Joseph Smith.
Speaker 1: Well he is that. But I do think there was
Speaker 1: sexual abuse with him as a kid, and I think
Speaker 1: that it tracks where you know.
Speaker 3: That's why he became people masturbator.
Speaker 1: No, not necessarily, but I think that him incorporating this
Speaker 1: into the upbringing of kids had to do with his
Speaker 1: own upbringing. He was reportedly molested by at least two
Speaker 1: people when he was a little kid, and he liked it,
Speaker 1: and his own mom thought that the a teenager masturbating,
Speaker 1: Like you walk in on your teenager masturbating, you just
Speaker 1: walk away. You don't sham him, you don't make him
Speaker 1: finish in front of his entire family.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he spoke fondly of the molestation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he acted like it was a positive thing and
Speaker 1: told his followers that they needed to do the same thing.
Speaker 1: And so a lot of people were turned off by this, obviously,
Speaker 1: but not everybody was. River Phoenix claimed that he was
Speaker 1: molested from age four to ten, and he started talking no.
Speaker 1: So one of the things that David said was you
Speaker 1: need to encourage kids to experiment sexually with each other,
Speaker 1: and you need to, you know, help him out. So
Speaker 1: the only thing that he really forbid was man on
Speaker 1: man and I would say homosexuality, But he encouraged lesbian activities.
Speaker 1: So if he was into it, it was fair game.
Speaker 3: And he was into lesbo stuff, but not how much.
Speaker 1: So with a lot of this abuse that you see
Speaker 1: when you know the whistle blowing starts is mainly older
Speaker 1: women molesting boys and older men molesting little girls.
Speaker 3: Believe old women wanted sucking fuck on young boys.
Speaker 1: Rose McGowan claims that her dad absolutely put his foot
Speaker 1: down when this shit started happening and he got her
Speaker 1: out of there. She says she was not molested in there.
Speaker 1: Woquing Phoenix. Like I said, he doesn't really talk about this,
Speaker 1: like the River was really talking about this right before
Speaker 1: he died, and.
Speaker 3: He's also talking about vaccines and stuff right before he died.
Speaker 3: He was just getting all sorts of out of hand.
Speaker 3: That's why they had to kill him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's possible. It also could be that he was
Speaker 1: fucked up from this and a lot of these kids.
Speaker 1: Once they got out of this, some of them committed suicide,
Speaker 1: a lot of them became drug addicts.
Speaker 3: But River was cleaned for months before that happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could do a River Phoenix episode.
Speaker 3: Did he say who molested on him?
Speaker 1: I don't know if he ever said. I haven't looked
Speaker 1: into his testimony.
Speaker 3: They molested on each other or they or their parents
Speaker 3: did it.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think his parents did it. In fact,
Speaker 1: Woking Phoenix is on record saying his parents left the
Speaker 1: organization over the flirty fishing. But to me, that doesn't
Speaker 1: really track because River Phoenix, I don't know what year
Speaker 1: he was born, but when this stuff was being I mean,
Speaker 1: David had been practicing this within his own family even
Speaker 1: before he became open with it. But let's look it
Speaker 1: up real quick.
Speaker 3: I'm saying the years he said he was molested don't
Speaker 3: line up with the years that his parents left.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying that Joaquin Phoenix saying that his parents
Speaker 1: left the cult over the flirty fishing policy, where it
Speaker 1: was basically just prostitution except for no money was changing hands. However,
Speaker 1: they did end up in Hong Kong at one point,
Speaker 1: and they linked up with an escort service, and they
Speaker 1: did get attention of the law after this, Like with
Speaker 1: all of this abuse and all of this stuff going on,
Speaker 1: that's really the only thing in the seventies that the
Speaker 1: authorities went for was they saw that they tried to
Speaker 1: link this prostitution, but since they were only doing it
Speaker 1: to get people to join with money, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, your basic honey traffic. Karen Zerbi, she Mama Maria.
Speaker 1: She had slept with like an ambassador from France and
Speaker 1: some other pretty high up they're powerful dudes in Japan
Speaker 1: and other parts of age.
Speaker 3: Said she wasn't hot.
Speaker 1: So yeah River or yeah River was born in nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy in Oregon. So he says he was molested from
Speaker 1: age four to ten. So in nineteen seventy four he
Speaker 1: would have been four and this would have gone on
Speaker 1: until he in nineteen eighty. So his parents leaving the
Speaker 1: colt over the filthy fish. You're filthy, I keep saying filthy,
Speaker 1: Freudian slips, the flirty fishing doesn't track.
Speaker 3: That's what I said. The year, the years stone out
Speaker 3: of us.
Speaker 1: That's what I said.
Speaker 3: No, I asked you if that's what you meant, and
Speaker 3: you I don't know if you said yes or no. No.
Speaker 1: I said, Joaquin had said that they left over that practice.
Speaker 3: Joaquin said A River.
Speaker 1: Said, Joaquin, he doesn't talk about it much.
Speaker 3: He doesn't says he was molested.
Speaker 1: Though Joaquin said he wasn't. He but River was. So
Speaker 1: Joaquin was born in seventy four, so he's claiming that
Speaker 1: they left.
Speaker 3: Oh that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because in the timeline, if you look at like
Speaker 1: when the flirty fishing started being a huge tactic they
Speaker 1: were using to get more members, and David said that
Speaker 1: they had over half a million people that they tried
Speaker 1: to recruit this way, and overall, he said they gained
Speaker 1: about twenty thousand new members through that tactic.
Speaker 3: Hope it was worth it.
Speaker 1: So this thing's worldwide once you get into like the
Speaker 1: mid to late seventies.
Speaker 3: So maybe River was just trying to protect his parents.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because the way this thing worked, it
Speaker 1: could have been anybody. And I don't know if River
Speaker 1: ever blamed it.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm saying he's trying to protect his parents by
Speaker 3: saying they left when the weird stuff started.
Speaker 1: Oh you mean Joaquin's said that? I Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 1: I mean he got out of it when he was young.
Speaker 1: He's got a couple sisters. I think one of them
Speaker 1: is in acting. But I always thought that they like
Speaker 1: grew up in this thing. And it sounds like river
Speaker 1: you know kind of day.
Speaker 3: It sounds like, yeah they did.
Speaker 1: I didn't even look at him. They look at him.
Speaker 1: The guy is.
Speaker 3: Torture to be famous, you know. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 3: that's just you know, they love to get the little
Speaker 3: Hollywood boys.
Speaker 1: Well, so in nineteen seventy three, David's son, I think
Speaker 1: his name was Arthur, if I remember right, he killed himself.
Speaker 3: And probably from all the second in fact, well.
Speaker 1: Guess get this something that happened before he moved to Europe.
Speaker 1: They had a you know, a meeting, just a regular
Speaker 1: church thing, and three of his kids were there and
Speaker 1: they all were married. And after the meeting, he got
Speaker 1: naked and said that it was sharing time and he
Speaker 1: made them swap and he made him fuck and.
Speaker 3: He just watched the dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there was reports that he had slept with
Speaker 1: his son's wife. Anyway, people speculate that that contributed to
Speaker 1: the suicide.
Speaker 3: Wouldn't it you you have to fuck your brother.
Speaker 1: No, that's not what was going on. They were fucking
Speaker 1: each other's wives.
Speaker 3: Oh you think watching you.
Speaker 1: I think the power dynamic of it really got to him.
Speaker 1: But he had a daughter, and she'll come into this,
Speaker 1: the son that killed himself. She basically went into the
Speaker 1: care of David and Karen.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 1: David did molest her and he said she was special.
Speaker 1: And Karen was jealous of this little kid. Now she
Speaker 1: abused and tortured her and said she was possessed by
Speaker 1: demons and had exorcisms performed on her. But David wasn't
Speaker 1: the father, as we established of David Tito. And we'll
Speaker 1: just call him Ricky Rodriguez because that is his name.
Speaker 1: That's what he went by. But he was made to
Speaker 1: do stuff too. I mean it wasn't really a blood relative,
Speaker 1: not that it makes it any better, but this was common,
Speaker 1: like you would make kids do stuff with each other
Speaker 1: in this group. And he from a young age, I mean,
Speaker 1: he just seemed Ricky David Eito. He just seemed very
Speaker 1: empathetic and knew this was fucked and he was all
Speaker 1: So if you were conceived out of this flirty fishing,
Speaker 1: you were called a Jesus a Jesus baby. But David
Speaker 1: itough was said to be the end all be all.
Speaker 1: He was like the next the second Coming, as far
Speaker 1: as David was concerned. And his story is rather sad.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it near the end of this thing.
Speaker 1: But they did start to get the attention of law
Speaker 1: and he kind of went into hiding. And the only
Speaker 1: way he ever communicated with his followers for years was
Speaker 1: through these mo letters. And these things had like illustrations,
Speaker 1: and he was drawn as a lion, like a man's
Speaker 1: body with a lion's head. Well, there was like sex
Speaker 1: manuals that came out in these letters, one of them.
Speaker 1: As David starts to get up there in age, his
Speaker 1: health declines and Karen picks over the mo letters.
Speaker 3: And what happened to his first wife.
Speaker 1: She's still the wife. Well, he called Jane the old wine,
Speaker 1: and Karen or mother Marie was the new wine. And
Speaker 1: that I mean, I guess Karen may have been scared
Speaker 1: that she was going to become the old wine once
Speaker 1: this granddaughter came into the picture. But anyway, she took over.
Speaker 1: And there was this one series of letters she wrote
Speaker 1: where she was talking about when you have sex all
Speaker 1: the time, anytime you engage in sex, you were supposed
Speaker 1: to picture Jesus. And if you're a woman, easy enough.
Speaker 1: But if you're a man, you were supposed to picture
Speaker 1: yourself as a woman being penetrated by Jesus. And she
Speaker 1: had these lists of things you could say, and they're ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I won't get into them. If anyone's interested in these
Speaker 1: mo letters, Like I said, they are on the way
Speaker 1: back machine and you can read all sorts of fucked
Speaker 1: up shit. Not telling you to do it, but it
Speaker 1: is part of the research here. And anyway, that was
Speaker 1: just a fun aside about how Karen took this. But
Speaker 1: as David Diito Ricky Rodriguez starts to get a little
Speaker 1: bit older, I mean, I do want to say this too,
Speaker 1: Like I listened to the testimony of a lot of
Speaker 1: these women who got out of this thing. One of
Speaker 1: them was a third generation member and she said that
Speaker 1: her mom married David when she was three what And
Speaker 1: this was facilitated by her own mother, Like she handed
Speaker 1: him over to David. So it was like a ceremony.
Speaker 1: He married like three people that day, and one of
Speaker 1: them was a three year old. So I mean, I assume,
Speaker 1: but so I mean, there's a lot of stuff in here.
Speaker 1: I could do hours and hours of this and the
Speaker 1: stuff I've been learning, but we'll just jump ahead, because
Speaker 1: this went on and on, and this is this cult
Speaker 1: is still going on today. They well, in the eighties
Speaker 1: he told everybody to tone down on the free sex
Speaker 1: shit because there started to be major std outbreaks within
Speaker 1: the community AIDS, I mean AIDS, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: think AIDS is, but they were getting sick. And he
Speaker 1: assured his followers that as long as you maintain your
Speaker 1: faith that you would be okay. But he did say
Speaker 1: time to tone it down. But now this is going
Speaker 1: on at the same time as these inner poll was
Speaker 1: looking into them and for human trafficking and for prostitution.
Speaker 1: But he kind of just takes a back seat. And
Speaker 1: really I think he died in nineteen ninety four. Ooh,
Speaker 1: and I was born his wife. Maybe you're the reincarnation
Speaker 1: hell his wife, his treasured wife, the one that you know,
Speaker 1: Karen Zurbi. She is still alive to this day and
Speaker 1: still leading this. Well, we'll get into Ricky because that's
Speaker 1: kind of in my mind, it's the sad ending of
Speaker 1: this thing. When he was in his teens, he really
Speaker 1: started acting out and his mom, Karen, she sent him
Speaker 1: away to these places where you know, she didn't really
Speaker 1: have to deal with him. But in his later years,
Speaker 1: he started communicating with this girl who was I think
Speaker 1: she was seventeen at the time. But they started planning
Speaker 1: like an escape and what was her name, Alixia was
Speaker 1: what she went by, and they were corresponding and they
Speaker 1: were kind of striking up like a long distance romance,
Speaker 1: and they ended up planning to get away and it worked.
Speaker 1: They ended up getting out of the thing. And this
Speaker 1: is just really sad to me because this kid, he
Speaker 1: was damaged as fuck. He like his dad or his
Speaker 1: you know, claimed dad. Oh, that's the thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to circle back to this. So when Carlos found out
Speaker 1: that he was this kid's dad, they brought him over
Speaker 1: and Karen opened the door and said, you want to
Speaker 1: see the new miracle and she told him it was
Speaker 1: his kid, and David was there, and David tried to
Speaker 1: get him to molest the kid. Oh, and told him
Speaker 1: how you had to raise a kid in.
Speaker 3: This, you know, And he left him there.
Speaker 1: He might not even believed it was his kid, but yeah,
Speaker 1: he got the.
Speaker 3: Fuck out and left his kid there. Yeah, get molested
Speaker 3: by David.
Speaker 1: He was a maintenance guy. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 1: men didn't molest little boys. But they he had two
Speaker 1: caretakers and I think they're both Their names were Sarah,
Speaker 1: but Ricky aka David Ito. He talked about how he
Speaker 1: was molested by these two women and one of them
Speaker 1: was like his nanny and the other one was some
Speaker 1: like business related partner with his mom. And he ended
Speaker 1: up getting away and he traveled through Europe. But when
Speaker 1: he ends up meeting with Alyxia, they end up moving
Speaker 1: back to the States. They go to Tacoma, Washington, and
Speaker 1: they get an apartment. And I mean, these you know
Speaker 1: how it is when you're like a teenage kid that
Speaker 1: was brought up in a cult like this. They just
Speaker 1: had no idea how to function in the real world,
Speaker 1: the real world. They ended up getting an apartment and
Speaker 1: they expected to just walk into it and it would
Speaker 1: all be furnished, and I mean, they just had no
Speaker 1: idea how shit worked. And it seems like Alixia really
Speaker 1: assimilated a lot better than he did. He was tormented,
Speaker 1: I mean everything he went through, and I mean Alixia
Speaker 1: also went.
Speaker 3: Through this, but in the hand of God, cult.
Speaker 1: Children of God. Yeah, she was a member. Oh she
Speaker 1: was somebody who was born and do it as well.
Speaker 3: So they just happened to meet each other late.
Speaker 1: I mean, they ended up meeting each other, but corresponding
Speaker 1: through letters and stuff. This is the one he had
Speaker 1: planned the escape with.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I thought you said she sent him somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was when he was like in his early teens.
Speaker 3: And then he went back to the cult and met Alexia.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well she I mean, he was always in the cult.
Speaker 1: She just sent him to like work.
Speaker 3: But he went back after that, Yeah, and met Alexia.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was networked through all these places.
Speaker 3: He went all, okay, anyways, I get it. Now they're
Speaker 3: in the apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he's trying to lead a normal life. He
Speaker 1: ends up actually meeting somebody who was willing to take
Speaker 1: him on as an electrician apprentice. And he was seeming
Speaker 1: to be okay for a while. He had four years
Speaker 1: where you know, he thought he could get through this,
Speaker 1: but he ended up getting in a minor car accident.
Speaker 1: I don't even think he was injured, but for some reason,
Speaker 1: and that sent him on this spiral, and he starts
Speaker 1: saying to himself that something must be done about this,
Speaker 1: and he plans basically in a nutshell, he decides that
Speaker 1: he needs to kill his mom because she's running this
Speaker 1: thing now and if he cuts the head off the beast,
Speaker 1: the whole thing will crumble. And I mean, man, a
Speaker 1: lot of these testimonies and all these articles in the
Speaker 1: podcast I've been listening to. Everybody's like, Okay, but you
Speaker 1: don't got to kill somebody?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't how else.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm a psychopath, but I mean, how else are
Speaker 3: you gonna she won't stop?
Speaker 1: Well, just most people, decent people aren't capable of murder.
Speaker 3: Uh you ever been molested by your mom for years?
Speaker 1: Well, you'd want to murder her. And he did want
Speaker 1: to murder her, so well, he sets his plan into action,
Speaker 1: and he ends up going incognito, and I mean he
Speaker 1: just goes, you know, off grid. He's constantly in communication
Speaker 1: with Alixia. I mean they're like boyfriend girlfriend at this point.
Speaker 1: And he finds some people somewhere in California who were
Speaker 1: ex Children of God members, but they put him into
Speaker 1: contact with the caretaker that molested him. And this is
Speaker 1: somewhere in Arizona, and he gets into contact with her
Speaker 1: acts like, you know, everything's cool. He just wants to
Speaker 1: talk and he gets her to meet up with them,
Speaker 1: and before he does this, he sits down. And this
Speaker 1: is the year two thousand, so this is before internet
Speaker 1: was like what it is today. But he ended up
Speaker 1: recording this hour long video and it was like a
Speaker 1: message to all the other survivors, all the kids that
Speaker 1: got out, explaining what he was doing, why he was
Speaker 1: doing it, what he was going through mentally, and he
Speaker 1: just lays out the whole plan and he meets up
Speaker 1: with her, and she just doesn't understand why he thinks
Speaker 1: anything was wrong about what happened to him, and he
Speaker 1: knows that she's in contact with his mom. That's why
Speaker 1: he ended up meeting up with her, and his plan
Speaker 1: was to climb all the way to the top and
Speaker 1: get to his mom. But he just snaps and ends
Speaker 1: up stabbing her like five times and then slits her
Speaker 1: throat and he flees in a panic, and he leaves
Speaker 1: a few voice smells to Alexia and tells her that
Speaker 1: you know it's done. I did it. It's a lot
Speaker 1: harder killing somebody than I ever imagined it would be.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do and he checks
Speaker 1: into a holiday in and he must have uploaded this
Speaker 1: video at some point, you know, probably would have taken
Speaker 1: like twenty four hours back then, and you can watch
Speaker 1: it on YouTube.
Speaker 3: It's rough of him killing his mom.
Speaker 1: No, of him talking about what he's going to do.
Speaker 1: But he never killed his mom. He ended up just
Speaker 1: snapping and killing this lady who was his caretaker. And
Speaker 1: he ends up leaving the holiday in and he goes
Speaker 1: and he shoots himself. So he's dead.
Speaker 3: So he didn't even get to his mom.
Speaker 1: No, she's still alive today and she started a website
Speaker 1: in memoriam of him. And this is the thing that
Speaker 1: I think is the most fucked up out of this
Speaker 1: is the research that I've done in the last week.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's pretty cut and dry to me that
Speaker 1: this kid wasn't in the wrong, but the media made
Speaker 1: it look like he was a fucking psychopath. Of course
Speaker 1: they did, and that he was in.
Speaker 3: Their the molesters. So that's what they do.
Speaker 1: This is now the Family International, it's still running strong today.
Speaker 3: What are they doing to make sure that children are
Speaker 3: not getting hurt?
Speaker 1: Nothing? The kids they were taken out of the equation
Speaker 1: on the surface level. As far as we know, this
Speaker 1: is still going on the surface level. Like they understood,
Speaker 1: this is fucked up. And I mean the mo letters
Speaker 1: he talked about how this is how you raise kids.
Speaker 3: How do we know that they took kids out of
Speaker 3: the equation.
Speaker 1: Because that's what they presented, that this is no longer
Speaker 1: what we need to do. Because the heat was on them.
Speaker 3: I don't think they stopped.
Speaker 1: Well. I mean, like I said, this thing is now
Speaker 1: the Family International. It's still operating today.
Speaker 3: Out of California everywhere. I just think that they could
Speaker 3: say whatever. They could say, oh yeah, we took kids
Speaker 3: out of the equation.
Speaker 1: But well, I mean, if you ask me, even if
Speaker 1: they did, the damage is done and this thing is
Speaker 1: still like foundationally solid. She didn't see any justice for this.
Speaker 1: David died in ninety four, never paid in any way
Speaker 1: for his crimes. And there's you know, hundreds, maybe thousands
Speaker 1: of kids that are just fucking walking around who grew
Speaker 1: up in this thing and had god knows what done
Speaker 1: to them. And it just goes to show you, like,
Speaker 1: what are there no one knows about? You know, your
Speaker 1: average person doesn't even know about the Franklin cover up.
Speaker 1: McMartin Presidio. But people know about this, and I mean
Speaker 1: maybe we wouldn't know about it if some of the
Speaker 1: kids happened to become celebrities. That is I think why
Speaker 1: I knew about it. And other than that, though, this
Speaker 1: is just another one of those things that it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: a bunch of kids got systematically fucked up and this
Speaker 1: thing is still allowed to run amock.
Speaker 3: So what are what what? What are there like tenants
Speaker 3: for getting involved in this now? Like what is their message?
Speaker 3: What is their it's the hook? What's the catch?
Speaker 1: I don't know what their recruiting tactics are today. They've
Speaker 1: softened it up quite a bit, so maybe they aren't
Speaker 1: even recruiting actively anymore. Maybe this thing will just die
Speaker 1: out as people age and die.
Speaker 3: I just don't know, like what the allure would be
Speaker 3: to like join the Family International, Like what is their message?
Speaker 1: We don't molest kids anymore.
Speaker 3: They're just following regular Christianity, except you can have multiple wives.
Speaker 3: That's just polygamy.
Speaker 1: I mean that's right or right? I mean, like I.
Speaker 3: Said, that's their deal.
Speaker 1: That's this is the weird thing to me is when
Speaker 1: people defect from this thing they're willing to talk all
Speaker 1: the ship in the world about it. But I've heard
Speaker 1: a few people like one thing David would do was
Speaker 1: he would have little girls send him these videos where
Speaker 1: they're dancing, and he would instruct them, don't be naked
Speaker 1: at first, be wearing something, but then, as you know,
Speaker 1: do a series of three songs and by the time
Speaker 1: you're at the end of the song, take your clothes off.
Speaker 1: And the parents of these kids were like helping the
Speaker 1: kids make these videos. I just don't so there was
Speaker 1: pornography of David Etho that circulated. I mean, this stuff
Speaker 1: kind of reminds me of that shit that went down
Speaker 1: the Wonderland raids and all the stuff they found. Like,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if these
Speaker 1: movements were kind of at least tangentially connected, if not
Speaker 1: like fully.
Speaker 3: But so I don't think that what was his real name.
Speaker 1: Richard Ricky Rodriguez Ricky.
Speaker 3: I have seen so many times where abused children grow
Speaker 3: up and want to murder their parents. I don't think
Speaker 3: he's wrong for that. I don't think that he should.
Speaker 3: I don't think it even should be looked down on.
Speaker 3: I mean, they stole his life away.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and that's the thing. As part of the
Speaker 1: research I was doing, I did listen to a few
Speaker 1: podcasts and a lot of these people like draw a
Speaker 1: line in the sand, like, oh awesome that somebody at
Speaker 1: least went down, But we can't condone vigilante justice. And
Speaker 1: it's like, really, because that shit circles.
Speaker 3: But I just I feel like you reap what you saw.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And he even said in one of his voicemails
Speaker 1: that as she was dying, she was still confused about
Speaker 1: why he was so upset. She was sitting there bleeding out,
Speaker 1: and it hit him that she's just as fucking damaged
Speaker 1: as I am. Like, I haven't really solved anything here
Speaker 1: by killing her. I've just fucked up myself now.
Speaker 3: And he can because if he wasn't already and.
Speaker 1: He couldn't live with what he did. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't think that him being arrested was ever a part
Speaker 1: of his plan. I think even if he ever did
Speaker 1: reach his mom and did get her, that maybe taking
Speaker 1: himself out was always the part, you know, the end
Speaker 1: of it. And that I mean, that's satisfying to me
Speaker 1: that I look at all of this and history in
Speaker 1: particular is well known because of what he did. But
Speaker 1: there's so many of these kids out there.
Speaker 3: I think there will be more that comes out later.
Speaker 3: If it's still going on. I'm sorry. I just don't
Speaker 3: believe that this cured them of anything, especially if the
Speaker 3: one chick is still running it and she never saw
Speaker 3: anything wrong with it. Well.
Speaker 1: I listen to one woman who she was the third
Speaker 1: I wish I could remember her name. We could put
Speaker 1: in the show notes, maybe because she she's done a
Speaker 1: Ted talk on this and I agreed with everything she said,
Speaker 1: but she still has some major disconnect because she said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: David's second wife who's running it to this day, she's
Speaker 1: turned it into something a lot better. And I haven't
Speaker 1: seen any evidence of that. I would like to see it,
Speaker 1: other than the fact that their fucked up practices were
Speaker 1: probably driven underground because of all themes.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. You just you don't stop doing
Speaker 3: that stuff. You just bury it, right because of what
Speaker 3: happened to David. Eto you don't stop doing those things
Speaker 3: if you don't think they're wrong. You know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just if you reaprogram to kill, you'll know that
Speaker 3: they don't stop they just get more clever about how
Speaker 3: they hide it. I mean, maybe they stopped being so openly,
Speaker 3: like in your face about it. But why would they
Speaker 3: if she was laying there bleeding out and she didn't
Speaker 3: understand why she was getting murdered, Why would they stop
Speaker 3: doing something that they absolutely do not think is wrong.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't argue with that. I'm not saying they've
Speaker 1: cleaned up their act. I'm saying that's the perception.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I'm just saying I don't believe that
Speaker 3: for a second.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean it'd be interesting to like do
Speaker 1: a deep dive on current family international practices and to
Speaker 1: see what they're all about these days. But yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not going to be so blat with all this pedophilia shit.
Speaker 3: So it was it was a pedophilic victim, right because
Speaker 3: he said he was molested who grew up and he
Speaker 3: was a pervert, grew up and.
Speaker 1: He knew how to sway people with Jesus like these
Speaker 1: lost souls, the remnants of the you know, hippie movement.
Speaker 3: I mean, I just see it as a way that
Speaker 3: he grew up and he found an avenue to channel
Speaker 3: all of his weird pedophile pervert ideals through. He started
Speaker 3: it off with like the basis of Christianity and like
Speaker 3: we're gonna make our own thing and be our own people.
Speaker 3: And then he just turned it into an avenue of
Speaker 3: expressing his own pedophilic and perverted ideas, because you see
Speaker 3: how he crap it in there. First it was like polygamy.
Speaker 3: Then it was like let your wives fuck whoever. Then
Speaker 3: it was like just fuck whoever. Then it was like
Speaker 3: fuck your kids. I mean that escalated quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of these kids when they get out,
Speaker 1: they claimed that they didn't think anything was wrong until
Speaker 1: they were told that that's wrong. I just pulled up
Speaker 1: the Wikipedia page and we've gone down. Family International. They
Speaker 1: became that in two thousand and four. So recent teaching.
Speaker 1: Family International's recent teachings are based on beliefs which they
Speaker 1: term the New Spiritual Weapons. TFI members believe they are
Speaker 1: soldiers in the spiritual war of good versus Evil, and
Speaker 1: it talks about spiritual helpers, other religious and mythical figures,
Speaker 1: and departed humans, including celebrities, Aphrodite, the SPS, Elvis, Marilyn Monroe,
Speaker 1: Aubrey Hepper. So this just reminds me of happy science
Speaker 1: guy channeling all these people King and the Keys of
Speaker 1: the Kingdom. Family International believes that the biblical passage I
Speaker 1: will give you the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven,
Speaker 1: and whatsoever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven,
Speaker 1: and whatsoever you lose on earth will be losed in
Speaker 1: heaven Matthew sixteen nineteen refuse excuse me refers to an
Speaker 1: increasing amount of spiritual authority that was given to Peter
Speaker 1: in the Early Disciples. So they're just going back to
Speaker 1: biblical shit. Loving Jesus is a term Family International uses
Speaker 1: to describe their intimate sexual relationship with Jesus. So they're
Speaker 1: still on that.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Family International describes it's Loving Jesus teaching as a radical
Speaker 1: form of bridal theology. They believe the Church of Followers
Speaker 1: is Christ's bride, called to love and serve him with
Speaker 1: wifely fervor. However, this bridal theology is taken further, encouraging
Speaker 1: members to imagine Jesus. Oh, so they're still doing that,
Speaker 1: joining them during sexual intercourse and masturbation. So she's still
Speaker 1: going on about that.
Speaker 3: Well, why would she stop any of the other business
Speaker 3: if they're still going on with that.
Speaker 1: Some family. International literature is not brought into conservative countries
Speaker 1: for fear it may be classified at customs as pornography.
Speaker 1: The literature outlining the view of Jesus and his desire
Speaker 1: for a sexual relationship with believers was edited for younger
Speaker 1: teens and further edited for children. And it's funny because this,
Speaker 1: look at this, look at the length of this. This
Speaker 1: is the Wikipedia on them. You don't really get into
Speaker 1: all the pedophilia shit intil the criticism, and it's like
Speaker 1: a few.
Speaker 3: Paragraphs that's it. That's all they give it.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of this guy named Ted Patrick. No,
Speaker 1: he's a deprogrammer. He like kidnaps at the behest of
Speaker 1: the parents of cult members. He's like the dog, the
Speaker 1: bounty hunter for colts and he ends up like kidnapping them. Anyway,
Speaker 1: He's interesting. I kind of want to look into him more.
Speaker 1: But apparently there's some documentaries about him. But he got
Speaker 1: involved in it in the seventies and it sounds like
Speaker 1: he fucked up these people as much as the cult did.
Speaker 1: But he was a martial artist and he would have
Speaker 1: like a dude hiding in the trunk and they would
Speaker 1: ambush these cult members and kidnap them and try to
Speaker 1: deprogram them. Anyway. That's just a side note, you know.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I feel like that's some shit I would do,
Speaker 3: Like get so upset by what they were doing that
Speaker 3: I would throw him in a trunk and try to
Speaker 3: program him somewhere. Especially if they're hurting kids. I might
Speaker 3: just leave them in the trunk.
Speaker 1: No, but he was. It wasn't the kids. It was
Speaker 1: like older members said.
Speaker 3: Especially if they were hurting kids like those.
Speaker 1: I mean, back when this was going on, it was
Speaker 1: called free Cog Free the children of God, and some
Speaker 1: of the more wealthy parents hired this guy to go
Speaker 1: get their kids out of it. And then when I
Speaker 1: say their kids, it's like adult children. But anyway, that's
Speaker 1: the presentation. I don't know if you have any thing
Speaker 1: to say about that before you go take a shower.
Speaker 3: Wow, So aren't you gonna ask me what? I write?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How many?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 1: What? What what are we using? What's the units of measurement?
Speaker 1: Out of ten kid diddlers?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 1: That was? Gonna come up with something a little.
Speaker 3: More classy, but oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1: How many out of ten Jesus brides?
Speaker 3: Ah, ten Jesus brides?
Speaker 1: Oh, you're gonna rate this one low.
Speaker 3: Now. That was so cray Cray.
Speaker 1: And I mean this one, like we said, a lot
Speaker 1: of these are going to be stuff people haven't heard of.
Speaker 1: This one is on the periphery of mainstream for obvious reasons.
Speaker 1: But I had never.
Speaker 3: Never heard no shit about them touching kids.
Speaker 1: I mean, I knew that the Phoenix family was in there,
Speaker 1: and they changed their name to Phoenix when they joined
Speaker 1: this cult, and I mean.
Speaker 3: It was obviously not as school as Feen.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what their original names were, but they
Speaker 1: you know, Phoenix Rising. They they did use that terminology
Speaker 1: to name themselves and then.
Speaker 3: For ever, you know, I mean, as far as researching goes. Actually,
Speaker 3: this is something my dad used to say about me
Speaker 3: when I was a kid. He used to say, you're
Speaker 3: horrible at telling jokes because you just want to skip
Speaker 3: the storyline of the joke and get straight to the
Speaker 3: punch line. And I feel like that's how I do
Speaker 3: my research. No, it isn't like I always just like
Speaker 3: skip a bunch of details and I just get straight
Speaker 3: to the punchline.
Speaker 1: Dude, anybody who's listened to your previous series on here
Speaker 1: knows that's not true.
Speaker 3: But I mean, like as far as like, because I
Speaker 3: feel you go into further detail with your cults than
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 1: Maybe, well, I think you pick these real obscure ones
Speaker 1: where there's not a lot out there. I mean, like
Speaker 1: I said, really, isn't I feel like after a week
Speaker 1: of doing this, like you could do a whole fucking podcast,
Speaker 1: not just like a series. Yeah, it could, and people
Speaker 1: have And there's a number of documentaries. In fact, I
Speaker 1: kind of want to watch one of them that's on HBO.
Speaker 1: It's about the kids that they've got.
Speaker 3: Now are they going to give all the gory deats
Speaker 3: or is.
Speaker 1: It gonna be I mean, we know the filter of HBO,
Speaker 1: Max and Netflix documentaries. I'd like to at least think
Speaker 1: that they give these kids there fair shape.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we'll see. I'd watch it with you for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just want to wash myself of this
Speaker 1: for at least a little while. Like I was telling
Speaker 1: you before we started recording it, when Jeremiah and I
Speaker 1: on Conspiracy Playtime did the Franklin cover up, it was
Speaker 1: man that fucked with me.
Speaker 3: Well, how do you think I felt when I did
Speaker 3: all that pedaphocracy stuff?
Speaker 1: I know, just listening to it. I felt man nasty. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I can't imagine having laid out that presentation and
Speaker 1: all the work you put into it. But it is
Speaker 1: some of the darker shit. And I've been talking to
Speaker 1: somebody who looks into this stuff too, and she was
Speaker 1: talking about how like why do why do we do it?
Speaker 1: Like why do we look into it? And isn't this
Speaker 1: just like further trauma? But I mean she's like us,
Speaker 1: it needs to be known. In my opinion, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you after we've done recording.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess not. I guess I want to be
Speaker 3: confident in answering that question of why do we even
Speaker 3: look into it? Because I feel like it gives a
Speaker 3: voice to all those kids who will never be recognized
Speaker 3: and mean the atrocities that have happened to them.
Speaker 1: Not that is important, And not to mention the fact
Speaker 1: that the reason it continues today is because people want
Speaker 1: to look the other.
Speaker 3: Way, because that if.
Speaker 1: You know about it, and you know where it's happening
Speaker 1: and how to look for it, I'd like to think
Speaker 1: that maybe you won't send your kid to a military daycare.
Speaker 3: Well that's just the thing is, I feel like it
Speaker 3: gives a voice to the victims that have been traumatized
Speaker 3: for years, And I feel like it takes a strong
Speaker 3: heart to research it and talk about it at length
Speaker 3: and give details. And it's like I want to shock
Speaker 3: people into reality that the bad guy is winning in
Speaker 3: the end, and these kids, unless somebody talks about it,
Speaker 3: they're just nameless, faceless little kids who've got their lives
Speaker 3: taken away from them. And it's like, the least I
Speaker 3: can do is try to make people aware of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean to me, I do get a
Speaker 1: little disheartened because I see positively on that end of things,
Speaker 1: there are so many people who are aware of this
Speaker 1: and talking about it and trying to wake people up
Speaker 1: to it. But on the other end of it, to
Speaker 1: get more negative, like still people aren't listening. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's going to take this happening to
Speaker 1: your kid before you'll fucking start paying attention to it.
Speaker 1: But something has to give because this isn't localized to
Speaker 1: our era. This has been going on as long as
Speaker 1: you can look back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Joe.
Speaker 1: The people who have formed our institutions through secret societies
Speaker 1: are college is, our politicians. They're all wrapped up in
Speaker 1: it and it's as old as time. And I'd like
Speaker 1: to think that even if we do scream from the
Speaker 1: rooftops and nobody listens, at least we're trying. And I
Speaker 1: do see a lot of people getting jaded and backing
Speaker 1: away from it, and you know, you get people it is.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's the pedophiles again. That's the thing,
Speaker 1: is like, why was QAnon so effective in making people
Speaker 1: laugh at this shit? It's because oh, everybody's a pedophile,
Speaker 1: all all all our movie stars, all our politicians. They're
Speaker 1: gonna put Oprah and fucking Ellen and jail because QAnon
Speaker 1: said so. Like, yeah, it's so effective the way that
Speaker 1: I mean, look at pizzagate. Pizzagate is laughed at. Like
Speaker 1: even some of these podcast episodes I've listened to about
Speaker 1: this topic, The Children of God, they'll sit there and
Speaker 1: like cover this and then be like, yeah, but it's
Speaker 1: fucking Tony Pedesta and Tom Hanks, Like, aren't you guys
Speaker 1: missing the point here?
Speaker 3: I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Blind spots are fucking massive for a lot of people
Speaker 1: that are willing to like look under the rug for it,
Speaker 1: but they don't see it when it's right in front
Speaker 1: of their face.
Speaker 2: But and you know.
Speaker 3: My thing too, is like I just did an episode
Speaker 3: I'm not sure when it's going to release with Sean
Speaker 3: mccannon about circumcision. That's ritual abuse. That's a regular, normal
Speaker 3: practice that people should be shouting from the rooftops about,
Speaker 3: but they're not.
Speaker 1: It makes it easier to clean.
Speaker 3: But my thing is I told him this and maybe
Speaker 3: you will agree. But like when I decided to end
Speaker 3: my previous marriage, I knew going into our relationship that
Speaker 3: there were certain core values that I have because of
Speaker 3: the type of information that we cover and the type
Speaker 3: of stuff that we research. And it's like, would you
Speaker 3: circumcise your son, no check? Would you vaccinate your child?
Speaker 3: No check? Do you believe that the world is run
Speaker 3: by satanic pedophiles? Yes? Check?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you like ghost adventures? No?
Speaker 3: That's not part of my checklist. But I'm just saying
Speaker 3: it's like I've changed as a person since I started
Speaker 3: looking into this stuff. I value different things since I
Speaker 3: started looking into this stuff. The things that I want
Speaker 3: in a partner have changed since I started looking into
Speaker 3: this stuff. I mean, how do you explain to a
Speaker 3: normy person that you don't you want an uncircumcised unvaccinated
Speaker 3: kid to be homeschooled because the world is ran by
Speaker 3: satanic pedophiles. On a first date, you just.
Speaker 1: Say it, and I think that it's better to get
Speaker 1: it out of the way in the beginning.
Speaker 3: But you know how hard it is to meet people
Speaker 3: who are on the same track as us.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't feel like it's hard. I just
Speaker 1: feel like, do.
Speaker 3: You think if you went out in Ashland tomorrow and
Speaker 3: started looking for a chick that Matt met this criteria?
Speaker 3: It would just be diame a dozen. Oh, not necessarily,
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about for the people who listen to
Speaker 3: our shows who aren't interacting in the podcast world and
Speaker 3: they work nine to five jobs. Do you think the
Speaker 3: Sarah Ann that works at the fucking secretary desk that
Speaker 3: you think is hot is just going to have these
Speaker 3: ideas because you like her. No, Like, it's hard to
Speaker 3: actually find people A you're attracted to B that have
Speaker 3: the same values as you and then see would even
Speaker 3: if they didn't, would be open to hearing about them.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about pedophiles on a first date.
Speaker 1: Hey, it does work, though.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying it's not.
Speaker 1: Yes, you think I didn't say it was easy. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying it doesn't need to be like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: if you have to, like, for anybody out there trying
Speaker 1: to find a mate, don't wait around to make sure
Speaker 1: you see eye to eye on the important things, because
Speaker 1: that's just going to be like you might have sex
Speaker 1: with somebody and fall in love with them and then
Speaker 1: have these conversations and that's just gonna make us so
Speaker 1: much harder. But I mean, everybody jokes around in this
Speaker 1: community about there needs to be a dating app for
Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists on disinformation. We had the commercial for it.
Speaker 1: It's real, like that stuff is happening now and I
Speaker 1: just think that a lot more people are awake to
Speaker 1: this stuff right now than they ever have been in
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 3: And well, thank god, I think it's because we're talking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 1: It depends on where you are too, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a whole other conversation we could have for hours.
Speaker 3: But it also like if you were thinking about a
Speaker 3: dating profile, it would make it easier to be like
Speaker 3: are you vaccinated? Is that something that you partook in?
Speaker 3: Because I don't want to have your vaccinated ferm inside.
Speaker 1: Sure go with that route too, with the dating apps
Speaker 1: but meet people in real life and have organic conversations
Speaker 1: before you even decide if you want to pursue it
Speaker 1: that way, because who gives a fuck about the algorithms,
Speaker 1: and you know, you're all the data that's going into
Speaker 1: is this person going to be a match? You find
Speaker 1: out what is important to you, and especially if you're
Speaker 1: gonna have kids with somebody.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. That's what drove me away from
Speaker 3: my last relationship is I met him before I became
Speaker 3: the cosmic peach. I met him before I knew what
Speaker 3: my true value system was. And that stuff will drive
Speaker 3: you apart. Even if you want to love that person
Speaker 3: and you feel like there's a level of possible compatibility
Speaker 3: with them and you want to make it work, those
Speaker 3: things will drive you apart in the end, especially like
Speaker 3: when you're begging them please don't get vaccinated, and then
Speaker 3: it's like you're married, so you're just stuck with them,
Speaker 3: and you know that goes against everything that you believe in.
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you do? It's hard. It's a
Speaker 3: weird world right now. Half the people make fun of
Speaker 3: people who talk about pedophiles, and they think the earth
Speaker 3: is flat, and that's the main concern at the moment,
Speaker 3: and I just think that it's not. I'll just say
Speaker 3: that I don't think that's the main concern at the moment.
Speaker 3: And then you know, you have all these little like
Speaker 3: subset groups of people who think different things are the
Speaker 3: most important.
Speaker 1: Well, and they're all watching people like Ian Carol too,
Speaker 1: even people who are awake. They see like these people
Speaker 1: who will talk about certain points but only to a limit.
Speaker 1: Because hey, Robert fucking Kennedy Junior bent over backwards for
Speaker 1: the vaccination shit, but he just got red Dye removed
Speaker 1: from the foods. Will excuse me, I can fucking make
Speaker 1: that choice when I go to the grocery store for myself.
Speaker 1: I don't need the government to take red Die out
Speaker 1: of foods. I'm not saying I don't think it's cool
Speaker 1: that that's happening. But he's totally been over backwards on
Speaker 1: the stuff that matters more to me. Like he agrees
Speaker 1: with the vaccine schedule where you get three fucking COVID
Speaker 1: jabs by the time you're six months old, that's all
Speaker 1: fine to him, even though he made his fucking fortune
Speaker 1: by going up against that stuff. But you know what,
Speaker 1: he got Red die out of food.
Speaker 3: So I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Me and Carol will still make video sucking Robert Kennedy's
Speaker 1: junior's dig because you know, I'll look the other way
Speaker 1: when he writes a fucking editorial article for Fox News
Speaker 1: that we need to up m envirnment vaccines so that
Speaker 1: the measles outbreak doesn't happen. But he does he does
Speaker 1: push ups. Yeah, that's actually how.
Speaker 3: Oh and it's like it's like he's cool with three
Speaker 3: COVID jabs before you're six months old, and everybody needs
Speaker 3: to get the measles and mumps rubella vaccines. That's all great, but.
Speaker 1: Even though he said it causes autism.
Speaker 3: But no, he got Steak and Shake to use fake
Speaker 3: tallow in their fries. Let's all give him a pat
Speaker 3: on the fucking.
Speaker 1: Back tallow in the fries. They were already cooked in
Speaker 1: vegetable oil before they were even dipped in the fucking
Speaker 1: beef tallow. So good job, buddy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, though, is like this guy, this
Speaker 3: guy is and he.
Speaker 1: Also did some shit with that I thought was very
Speaker 1: like Summer of Love George Floydish when everybody bent over
Speaker 1: backwards on their previous stance on gathering in public when
Speaker 1: rioting is actually more important. Even the fucking health authorities
Speaker 1: are saying rioting for George Floyd is more important than
Speaker 1: not getting COVID. But you weren't allowed to go to church,
Speaker 1: you weren't allowed to go to the bar. But if
Speaker 1: you're gonna riot, it's okay now. Robert F. Kennedy Junior
Speaker 1: just did a thing where he says, you know, there's
Speaker 1: some things that are more important than the health stuff,
Speaker 1: like standing with Israel.
Speaker 3: So what an interesting statement.
Speaker 1: I thought so.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, though, it's just a
Speaker 3: weird world where it's like a bunch of subjects of
Speaker 3: things that people are holding more valuable than other things,
Speaker 3: and it's just it's hard to find compatibility. I guess, well,
Speaker 3: we don't.
Speaker 1: Need to complain about that. No, even though I don't
Speaker 1: like oost.
Speaker 3: Adventures, not everyone has been so fortunate. I think it's
Speaker 3: it's just a strange world that we're living in right now.
Speaker 3: Especially those who were making fun of like kids getting raped.
Speaker 1: Well, they think that we're obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: I'm not obsessed with kids getting raped.
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the fact that it happens on a
Speaker 1: normal basis.
Speaker 3: Me too, me too, And that it's gone on for
Speaker 3: so long and so far back into time and it's
Speaker 3: still just a funny joke.
Speaker 1: Well that's fine with me, but it can stop. How
Speaker 1: about that. Like, I don't give a shit what was
Speaker 1: going on in Rome a thousand years ago, but I
Speaker 1: do care now.
Speaker 3: But I think that the stuff that was going on
Speaker 3: in Rome a thousand years ago is I mean.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's the reason it's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying it's never changed.
Speaker 1: No, I mean that's why I.
Speaker 3: Don't think the Family International has changed.
Speaker 1: But they still don't need to picture JC when you're
Speaker 1: fucking flicking your bean or getting realed.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the cult that you're covering next week?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I might change it.
Speaker 3: Oh, so I guess you can't give us.
Speaker 1: A tease then I'm thinking about changing it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we're not going to lead a hint this week for me.
Speaker 1: What about you?
Speaker 3: Oh I think I remember, Yeah, I think I remember.
Speaker 3: It's something that I've talked about briefly in the past.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna hit it a little bit harder next
Speaker 3: week and get into all of the details. Hopefully maybe
Speaker 3: I'll put some more backstory and stuff. I'll try not
Speaker 3: to get to the punchline so quick next week.
Speaker 1: It's okay, I wasn't bashing your presentation, No, I.
Speaker 3: Mean I do like to just focus on the gory bits.
Speaker 1: I guess well I had no shortage of that with
Speaker 1: Mike Cold so right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, I think both of us had a
Speaker 3: couple of real blood baths.
Speaker 1: I mean I think that this fucking Children of God.
Speaker 1: Just researching it on the internet you could get some
Speaker 1: red flags raised down you, but the people doing it
Speaker 1: it didn't.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, No, yeah it was hunky dory.
Speaker 1: So that's your hint. It's something you've talked about before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have no bigger hints.
Speaker 3: No, because it'll give it away.
Speaker 1: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: If you don't have anything else to add.
Speaker 1: Nope, picture Jesus tonight, everybody, wink wink?
Speaker 3: Are we doing that?
Speaker 1: I always do?
Speaker 3: With that being said, thanks for listening. We'll see you
Speaker 3: again next week four into the Cultiverse, part forward, and
Speaker 3: there is one very important vital piece of information I
Speaker 3: need you to learn just as soon as humanly possible.
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