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Speaker 4: That's the name of the show. My name is Nick Coffee,
Speaker 4: hence the name. And we've got Austin Montgomery alongside today,
Speaker 4: just like we do really every day now and we're
Speaker 4: with you until six o'clock and obviously a lot to discuss.
Speaker 4: I am, believe it or not, in a pretty good
Speaker 4: mood today. I've got some I've got some good energy.
Speaker 4: The energy levels are where I feel like they need
Speaker 4: to be for me to, you know, host a three
Speaker 4: hour radio show. But obviously the result from last night's
Speaker 4: game not not great, and we'll certainly talk a lot
Speaker 4: about that. And if you guys want to be a
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Speaker 4: got a plan today as far as how I'm going
Speaker 4: to balance things out, because I don't want to just
Speaker 4: spend three hours talking about how rough it was to
Speaker 4: see that gameplay out the way that it did last night.
Speaker 4: And I totally understand if you're a fan of Louisville
Speaker 4: basketball and you kind of have really started to doubt
Speaker 4: if this team is good enough to, you know, compete
Speaker 4: for a spot in the NCAA tournament. I will tell
Speaker 4: you that last night was was a tough. Look. I
Speaker 4: still think that this thing can be can be salvage
Speaker 4: to a point where you know, you might find yourself
Speaker 4: a potential tournament team, but I also can't ignore what
Speaker 4: what happened last night. I also think there's some factors
Speaker 4: that we'll certainly discuss that that I would hope in
Speaker 4: a week, maybe hopefully by Sunday, you know, it's not
Speaker 4: as big of an issue, but obviously it kind of
Speaker 4: seemed like everything just kind of came to a head
Speaker 4: last night with Louisville dealing with a lot of injuries.
Speaker 4: I think these guys just kind of visibly you could
Speaker 4: tell that they they know, they know what it's they
Speaker 4: know what they're missing when they don't have Caseon Bryor
Speaker 4: out there, a leader for this team, one of their
Speaker 4: best players. Clearly, Koran Johnson hasn't played in a long time,
Speaker 4: but now they know he's done for the year, and
Speaker 4: that's not really an excuse. Pat Kelsey really emphasized that
Speaker 4: last night and his postgame press conference. As far as
Speaker 4: you know that next man up, you can't use that
Speaker 4: as an excuse, and you can't approach it that way.
Speaker 4: You can't be a victim. And I don't think these
Speaker 4: guys did that last night. And I think the guy
Speaker 4: leading this program is somebody that will make it clear that, yeah,
Speaker 4: they know what's going on, but there's there's gonna be
Speaker 4: no feeling sorry for yourself. There's gonna be no victims.
Speaker 4: You're just gonna have to keep fighting and try to
Speaker 4: figure it out. Now, will that result in them being
Speaker 4: able to become a good team despite how shorthanded they are.
Speaker 4: Only time will tell, But I don't have much doubt
Speaker 4: that the guy that's in charge is going to do
Speaker 4: everything he can to try to figure it out instead of,
Speaker 4: you know, feeling sorry for themselves. Now, speaking of that,
Speaker 4: the last guy here that was coaching, he felt like
Speaker 4: a victim the second he walked on campus, the second
Speaker 4: he got here. He never really felt like there was
Speaker 4: any scenario where louisvill would be good and it was
Speaker 4: all everybody else was falled and we should just be
Speaker 4: thankful that he's here. And that man is Kenny Payne.
Speaker 4: So I bring that up a couple of minutes into
Speaker 4: the show because at three poin thirty we're gonna be
Speaker 4: joined by Jay Williams of ESPN. And I don't remember
Speaker 4: if I ever talked about this on the show or not,
Speaker 4: because obviously if you follow me on social media, then
Speaker 4: then you probably saw the back and forth between myself
Speaker 4: and Jay Williams, and I think I might have brought
Speaker 4: it up like when we did that brief show after
Speaker 4: the Indiana game, meaning like we were on the air
Speaker 4: as soon as the game or from three o'clock to
Speaker 4: I guess about five, And I don't Austin, you may remember,
Speaker 4: you may not if you don't know, biggie. Did I
Speaker 4: talk about it on the show as far as like
Speaker 4: Jay Williams saying he wanted to come on at some point.
Speaker 5: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: Do you even have a clue what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: I don't, And if you don't, it's okay because I
Speaker 4: never brought it up. It was something that I just
Speaker 4: didn't really know if it was going to happen or not.
Speaker 6: But I think you may have mentioned because Jay Williams
Speaker 6: was given Louisville some praise, yes for finally being back.
Speaker 6: So I don't remember any back and forth.
Speaker 4: Well, so here's what happened. He at halftime, when Indiana
Speaker 4: was getting their ass kicked by Louisville, they went to
Speaker 4: the studio set and he was a part of the
Speaker 4: of the of the studio set, the halftime crew, and
Speaker 4: he was being being very complimentary of Pat Kelcey and
Speaker 4: saying it was nice to have Louisville back, and then
Speaker 4: he mentioned props to Pat Kelsey, you know, especially with
Speaker 4: what he inherited, and I tweeted out that that's crazy,
Speaker 4: given the fact that you know, Pat Kelcey actually did
Speaker 4: inherit an awful situation didn't play fait. And I'll go
Speaker 4: back and pull up the tweet word for word just
Speaker 4: so we have some proper context. But you know, Jay
Speaker 4: Williams was one of the guys initially that I think
Speaker 4: was a part of the and I don't want to
Speaker 4: see him specifically, and I'll ask him directly because he's
Speaker 4: going to join us on the show A three thirty,
Speaker 4: but I just want to set it up as to
Speaker 4: how we got here. So he was one of many
Speaker 4: ESPN or really just national college basketball guys that occasionally
Speaker 4: would gaslight Louisville fans as if we need to chill
Speaker 4: out and not be mean to Kenny Payne because it's
Speaker 4: none of it's his fault and people don't realize what
Speaker 4: he's dealing with and what he inherited in the mess
Speaker 4: and it's broke and all that stuff. That's just triggering
Speaker 4: PTSD for me as we speak, because it's all nonsense.
Speaker 4: And really it was disrespectful to Chris Mack who did
Speaker 4: walk away, but he's the one who actually went through
Speaker 4: the worst of like scandal stuff. I mean, he actually
Speaker 4: didn't have nil and the portal because that hadn't existed yet.
Speaker 4: And he didn't leave a bad culture of players. Those
Speaker 4: guys who were on the team when Kenny got here
Speaker 4: that stayed were good young men that did not have
Speaker 4: a bad like he didn't inherit a bunch of bad dudes,
Speaker 4: and some people bought that after year one, oh, he's
Speaker 4: going to go get new players because he took over
Speaker 4: a locker room that has a bunch of bad apples.
Speaker 4: And that was never the case at all. And it
Speaker 4: played out the next year where they were slightly better
Speaker 4: with slightly better talent, but still the problem was the
Speaker 4: guy leading, who was not a leader by the way.
Speaker 4: So I didn't I mean, I didn't call him a name.
Speaker 4: I just said, it's crazy that Jay Williams is. Did
Speaker 4: you really just say props to Pat Kelsey for what
Speaker 4: he inherited whenever he you know, like Pat Kelsey actually
Speaker 4: did inherit a mess, but he didn't play victim. Again,
Speaker 4: he's got If Louivill didn't have injuries, I think we'd
Speaker 4: be in a little bit of a different situation, especially
Speaker 4: with our mindset right now when it comes to love
Speaker 4: of basketball. So he responded by just saying, you know,
Speaker 4: why don't you tag me Nick or something like that.
Speaker 4: Very playful. He wasn't like we were screaming at each other,
Speaker 4: but you know, he said, why don't you have me
Speaker 4: on your show? So I said, come on any time.
Speaker 4: I just assumed it would be done then. Well, then
Speaker 4: on Thanksgiving morning he DMed me and said Happy Thanksgiving
Speaker 4: and said when are we doing this? And we actually
Speaker 4: throughout Monday initially to start the show with it, and
Speaker 4: he had some stuff going on, and we then bumped
Speaker 4: it back to today at at three thirty. So he's
Speaker 4: actually on the call tonight in one of the acc
Speaker 4: SEC Challenge games, but he's going to join us at
Speaker 4: three thirty, and I mean, I'm going to ask him
Speaker 4: about you know. You know, I'll save it because I
Speaker 4: I know there was at least one instance where he
Speaker 4: was sort of telling Louisville fans to kind of calm
Speaker 4: down and give Kenny Payne some time. And I don't
Speaker 4: remember if he was one. And it's probably not fair.
Speaker 4: In fact, it isn't fair, but it's just how it's
Speaker 4: just how it is. You know, when you've got ESPN's
Speaker 4: crew of college basketball guys, rather it be somebody that
Speaker 4: is an analyst, somebody that's a played by play guy
Speaker 4: or just somebody who covers the sport like Seth Greenberg.
Speaker 4: I mean, he he's he's he was the worst as
Speaker 4: far as my in my opinion, when it comes to
Speaker 4: just refusing to acknowledge that like he was dead wrong
Speaker 4: about Kenny Payne. Like he's the one who said that
Speaker 4: Louisville should have like should have high fared him mid
Speaker 4: season whenever Mack left, and look, a lot of people
Speaker 4: said Kenny Payne should be hired, Like it's okay to
Speaker 4: be wrong, but like he just acted like he didn't
Speaker 4: guess like Louisville fans for being unreasonable because they should
Speaker 4: just understand that they should be thankful Kenny's here. So
Speaker 4: I know, Jay didn't say those were the worst people
Speaker 4: are the worst of the national folks that tried to
Speaker 4: tell Louisville fans that we need to be nice to
Speaker 4: Kenny Payne because we should be thanking him essentially because
Speaker 4: he came here to take over this mess of a situation.
Speaker 4: Seth Greenberg is up there. Corey Alexander is actually the worst.
Speaker 4: I don't know how that guy can look himself in
Speaker 4: the mirror with some of the nonsense that he said.
Speaker 4: As far as blaming Louisville fans for the lack of
Speaker 4: getting recruits when Kenny wasn't even active recruiting anybody. And
Speaker 4: the I mean it was the last game of the season,
Speaker 4: when they were losing in the NCAA or they were
Speaker 4: losing in the ACEC tournament. Everybody knew it was gonna
Speaker 4: be over. And he's like doing this. It's gonna be
Speaker 4: a real shame of this, acting like Kenny was a
Speaker 4: good coach when in fact he quite literally not exaggeration,
Speaker 4: is the worst college basketball high of ball time, like
Speaker 4: he just is. So you know, I don't want to
Speaker 4: revisit that previous era, but we'll get Jay's thoughts on it,
Speaker 4: cause I'm just gonna essentially ask him, like when it
Speaker 4: comes to the information you guys were getting, because I
Speaker 4: believe trust me, I know how this works. I know
Speaker 4: that the guys who cover the games, the guys who
Speaker 4: are able to get access because they work for ESPN
Speaker 4: and they're going to be part of the broadcast in
Speaker 4: some form or fashion, they're going to get access to
Speaker 4: the player, to coaches, and I know those coaches were
Speaker 4: probably feeding them nonsense and if they ran with it,
Speaker 4: that's really just you know that's there. I mean, they're
Speaker 4: they're sharing what they heard directly from somebody, but clearly
Speaker 4: if if it was all being stated that they're trying.
Speaker 4: But man, you just don't know what we've we've what
Speaker 4: we've dealt with, you don't know what we inherited. Then
Speaker 4: you know that that was just a lie. So this
Speaker 4: isn't going to be like a yelling, screaming thing. I'm
Speaker 4: I'm very happy that he decided that he would come
Speaker 4: on the show, and I look forward to talking to him.
Speaker 4: You know, I want to get his thoughts also on Kentucky,
Speaker 4: because Kentucky obviously beat Duke, and he really made Yucky
Speaker 4: fans angry after he did a video shortly after the
Speaker 4: game and basically telling Kentucky fans to chill out. They
Speaker 4: need to understand that despite the loss, Cooper Flag is
Speaker 4: still going to be somebody that is going to be
Speaker 4: all over ESPN because he's a big time star and
Speaker 4: he's going to bring more eyeballs to college basketball. So
Speaker 4: looking forward to talking to him. He's expected to call
Speaker 4: in at three point thirty today and you know, we'll
Speaker 4: see what happens. So just wanted to give you a
Speaker 4: heads up that is coming at three thirty, and also,
Speaker 4: you know, just explain the situation because it is kind
Speaker 4: of random that this that this is, this is all come.
Speaker 4: He's not somebody's ever been on the show before. I
Speaker 4: would never go about, you know, trying to to to
Speaker 4: ask him if he wants to come on, just because
Speaker 4: I wouldn't think that he would. He would, he would
Speaker 4: do it, but who knows, maybe it turns into something
Speaker 4: to where we end up, you know, we end up
Speaker 4: making him a you know, not a regular, but somebody
Speaker 4: who comes on from time to time to talk some
Speaker 4: college oops.
Speaker 5: Yeah, little Jay William's friend of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I like how that's friend of the program. I love
Speaker 4: that look. So again, before we dive in and talk
Speaker 4: about you know, last night and how sad it was,
Speaker 4: I mean I wasn't really angry. I was just you know, like,
Speaker 4: may be sad is an exaggeration. But we are going
Speaker 4: to talk about Kentucky taking their first loss, because, believe
Speaker 4: it or not, one thing I said as soon as
Speaker 4: these guys got hired, Pat Kelce and Mark Pope, they
Speaker 4: they they're very similar as far as how they want
Speaker 4: to play. They're very analytically driven and the same way
Speaker 4: that teams are gonna successfully so far. I mean, the
Speaker 4: teams that have tried to slow Louisville down have done
Speaker 4: a good job of doing it. Last night, I mean
Speaker 4: Chris Beard, I think he joined Rick Barnes as far
Speaker 4: as the two coaches that really put on a really
Speaker 4: good performance, as far as showing how you take Louisville
Speaker 4: out of what they want to do and you really
Speaker 4: dare them to shoot threes because you know that the
Speaker 4: numbers tell you that they're not good shooters. So you
Speaker 4: know that happened a little bit to Kentucky last night,
Speaker 4: right the game was slowed down, there weren't as many
Speaker 4: many possessions as as Kentucky wanted. And Clemson, you know,
Speaker 4: they were tough physically and they beat up on them
Speaker 4: and they were able to pull out a win. We
Speaker 4: also got to talk about the college football playoff rankings
Speaker 4: because why do they even I mean, I hate to
Speaker 4: give you the same recycled take that I've had on
Speaker 4: this for the last month or so, but don't put
Speaker 4: somebody in front of a camera after you make these
Speaker 4: decisions whenever you know you can't you can't give any
Speaker 4: data or facts that back up where you have certain
Speaker 4: teams ranked. And I really think that a formula, maybe
Speaker 4: not the BCS formula of old, but maybe something like
Speaker 4: that would in fact be a better scenario than this committee,
Speaker 4: because there's just there's there's plenty of teams ranked at
Speaker 4: a certain spot that have no there's no shot that
Speaker 4: mean it's over. I mean, the majority of college football
Speaker 4: teams aren't playing in their championship games, so like they
Speaker 4: can't move, they're done. But like there's examples of like
Speaker 4: how would how do you justify this? So even though
Speaker 4: there's teams ranked egregiously that aren't in contingent for the playoff,
Speaker 4: it just gives people another example of like what are
Speaker 4: you all doing? Like what's going on here? So Ward Manual,
Speaker 4: the Michigan Athletic Director, who is essentially the spokesman for
Speaker 4: the committee, who comes on live television right after they
Speaker 4: give us the rankings. You know, I mean give him credit.
Speaker 4: He's out there doing and he's trying his best to
Speaker 4: to you know, not make it look as bad as
Speaker 4: it looks. But there's just certain things that just you
Speaker 4: can't make any sense of. So we'll get into that
Speaker 4: and again, we'll taken you up until till six o'clock,
Speaker 4: all right, So just my thoughts on last on last night,
Speaker 4: this is something that we still don't like to say,
Speaker 4: but it needs to be said. You lost to a
Speaker 4: better team Ole Miss. I know they were underdogs, and
Speaker 4: I don't you know, I get why Louisville was favored
Speaker 4: slightly at home because they were coming off of a
Speaker 4: good performance in the Bahamas. Ole Miss doesn't have a
Speaker 4: win that really, I mean, Louisville has a better win.
Speaker 4: In fact, Louville may have two better wins on the
Speaker 4: resume than what Miss that Ole Miss had and they
Speaker 4: lost a close game to Purdue what they lost. So
Speaker 4: like Louisville being favored and crazy, but like ole Miss
Speaker 4: was better and ole Miss was probably a better team.
Speaker 4: Even if Louisville had prior doesn't mean louivill wouldn't have won.
Speaker 4: But like, Ole Miss is a good team, and I
Speaker 4: don't know if they're going to end up making a
Speaker 4: deep run in the tournament. We know the coach that
Speaker 4: they have as a really really good coach and he
Speaker 4: showed that last night. So again, you don't want to
Speaker 4: be here as far as just you knowing that Old
Speaker 4: Miss is better than you, but they are they are
Speaker 4: now knowing that a team that's better than you beat
Speaker 4: you is tough enough, but it's even more tough to
Speaker 4: know that, you know, they beat you eighty six to
Speaker 4: sixty three. And it kind of felt like at times
Speaker 4: it might it might get even worse than that, And
Speaker 4: in fact, I think it did get a little bit
Speaker 4: worse than that at times. So look, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of layers to just the the strategy, the style of
Speaker 4: play for Louisville that I'm going to try my best
Speaker 4: to balance it and not turn into just a big
Speaker 4: dork talking talking ball. I mean, I am a ball knower,
Speaker 4: at least I tell myself that I am. Yeah, you are,
Speaker 4: but I know that like that, that's not where That's
Speaker 4: not what this is for. That's not what this show is.
Speaker 4: We're trying to have fun, try to be entertaining. But
Speaker 4: you know, there are some things that I think would
Speaker 4: make sense to people, even if you are somebody that
Speaker 4: you know doesn't follow basketball that closely, or maybe you
Speaker 4: know more about basketball than I do. I don't know,
Speaker 4: but I'm just saying this team being a shooting team,
Speaker 4: a lot of people are basing that off of the
Speaker 4: percentage that these guys shot at their previous school. Because
Speaker 4: right now, I mean, let me pull it up Lois,
Speaker 4: by the way, last night they shot from three? Was
Speaker 4: it thirteen percent something like that? Last night Louisa shot
Speaker 4: seventeen percent from three? They made let's see five of
Speaker 4: thirty from three. I mean, that's just that's that's not
Speaker 4: gonna do it. Can't buy a bucket, and we all
Speaker 4: know that. So when it comes to this team, there's
Speaker 4: guys that can make shots. Like if you shot a
Speaker 4: certain amount of attempts and your percentage was in the
Speaker 4: thirty mid thirties to forty, you're a shooter. But it's
Speaker 4: that doesn't it's not just all based off your percentage.
Speaker 4: Like for example, Noah Waterman, who, by the way, did
Speaker 4: play in a fast system last year at BYU, And
Speaker 4: maybe he's not the best example. Let me give you
Speaker 4: a different example here, because and you know, he's somebody
Speaker 4: that is not making shots at the same rate he
Speaker 4: did last year, and some of his misses are just
Speaker 4: him missing open looks and he'll eventually get those to fall.
Speaker 4: But like him, you know making it, you know, cutting
Speaker 4: from the from from the block up to the to
Speaker 4: the wing and just catching it and firing it like
Speaker 4: that's that's not a I don't think like the percentage
Speaker 4: is that you saw from his time at BYU and
Speaker 4: wherever else Noah played, that wasn't what he was doing.
Speaker 4: So like Terrence Edwards Junior, he's a guy that last
Speaker 4: year shot the ball pretty well from three, and we
Speaker 4: at times have seen him make some threes here, but
Speaker 4: he's playing in a completely different system that he did
Speaker 4: at James Madison. So like, I just think the numbers
Speaker 4: as far as what they did previously, it's irrelevant. And look,
Speaker 4: they're a better shooting team than what they showed last night.
Speaker 4: I think they're a better shooting team than what their
Speaker 4: percentage shows right now. But they haven't you know, that's
Speaker 4: that's just a guess for me. I don't really have
Speaker 4: anything to back that up on. And some people would say, well,
Speaker 4: look at their numbers from last year. I'm not doing that.
Speaker 4: I just know that you can't mean they're missing because
Speaker 4: it you start to press, it becomes a mental thing
Speaker 4: whenever you know you're missing open shots. And here's a
Speaker 4: big factor. At the other schools, these guys were at
Speaker 4: the Open. Three was just one of many components as
Speaker 4: far as what you do in your system at Louisville
Speaker 4: with Pat Kelsey. And this is not a criticism of
Speaker 4: his style and his system because I think it can work.
Speaker 4: I just think you've got some guys that maybe aren't
Speaker 4: as good a shooters as you thought they were. And
Speaker 4: also you're clearly injured. You got guys that aren't playing
Speaker 4: that you need. They could have helped you. Not only
Speaker 4: because those guys, I mean, Cason's not a three point
Speaker 4: shooter despite percentages, but Corin is neither is Treori, to
Speaker 4: be honest with you, But whenever you've got those guys
Speaker 4: to play, everybody else is more fresh. Therefore they're probably
Speaker 4: going to have a better likelihood of making shots. These
Speaker 4: guys are winded, they're playing more minutes now than they
Speaker 4: typically did, so, you know, disclaimer, it's not like I'm
Speaker 4: telling you that Pat Kelsey's system is just, you know, terrible,
Speaker 4: it'll never work. But I think Terrence Edwards Junior is
Speaker 4: somebody that last year shot the ball from three, let's see,
Speaker 4: thirty five percent roughly. That's that's not elite, but that's
Speaker 4: not bad. And some would say that's pretty good, and
Speaker 4: I would I would agree with you, but I would
Speaker 4: be willing to bet that the three point shots that
Speaker 4: he got at JMU aren't a lot of the shots
Speaker 4: that he's taken now because it's just a different system.
Speaker 4: Like you're being asked to really do a different job.
Speaker 4: So like you're bringing your weapon to a fight, but
Speaker 4: you're having to use it differently and it may not
Speaker 4: be as effective. I think that is the best analogy
Speaker 4: I can give you. I mean, if you're if you're running,
Speaker 4: because again, Louisville's system under Pat Kelsey, I mean, you
Speaker 4: got to make shots and score the basketball, no matter
Speaker 4: what you're doing, no matter what your style, what's your
Speaker 4: philosophy is. We all know that. But it's really like,
Speaker 4: if Louisville's not making shots and they're shooting that many
Speaker 4: of them, I don't know how you're going to beat
Speaker 4: many teams. You can do it if you force a bunch,
Speaker 4: if you force a bunch of turnovers and you score
Speaker 4: points off those turnovers and you get to the free
Speaker 4: throw line. But good teams are not gonna let you
Speaker 4: do that. Good teams are gonna sit back on defense,
Speaker 4: and dare you to beat them, and what is Louisville doing.
Speaker 4: They're chucking it up the first guy that gets a
Speaker 4: decent look, And it's all selective as far as like
Speaker 4: or it's all relative as far as what's a good
Speaker 4: look and what's not right like, So that's really just
Speaker 4: an opinion thing. Sometimes I see a guy take a
Speaker 4: shot and I'm like, yeah, he had some daylight and
Speaker 4: he fired it up there. But I wouldn't call that
Speaker 4: a good shot, but maybe Pat Kelsey does. So there's
Speaker 4: a lot of factors as to why this thing win
Speaker 4: as bad as it did last night, and we'll get into,
Speaker 4: you know, some of those things throughout the show today. However, Look,
Speaker 4: you can't expect to beat really anybody if you're shooting
Speaker 4: thirty three pointers and making and making five of them.
Speaker 4: So you know, whenever, if you're if you are somebody like,
Speaker 4: see who else I can pull up here? Just actually,
Speaker 4: let me give you a good example, Rain Smith. Rain
Speaker 4: Smith is your best shooter. He didn't have a good
Speaker 4: night last night. I actually think he was just off.
Speaker 4: In fact, I don't mean, what what did he shootlast time?
Speaker 4: Let me pull it up here. So Rain Smith last
Speaker 4: night from three point range, he was two of eight,
Speaker 4: so that's an off night for him. But on the season,
Speaker 4: even after going two for eight last night, he's still
Speaker 4: shooting thirty eight percent from three. That's a really good
Speaker 4: three point shooter. In fact, I'm sorry, he's shooting thirty
Speaker 4: nine percent from three, so he can go two freight
Speaker 4: last night. His percentage are still really good. You know
Speaker 4: what system rain Smith played in last year, Pat Kelsey's
Speaker 4: system at Charleston. He's played in that. This is his
Speaker 4: fifth year doing that right now. So he is playing
Speaker 4: this style, this frantic pace, similar minutes, and he's comfortable
Speaker 4: because that's what he does. The percentage is that these
Speaker 4: other guys at the others, it's just it's irrelevant. They're
Speaker 4: able to knock down a shot if they're you know,
Speaker 4: if they're just in rhythm and it's within the flow
Speaker 4: of the game and the opponent's daring him to shoot it.
Speaker 4: But whenever it is, there's such an emphasis on, hey,
Speaker 4: we are doing everything out here to get good looks
Speaker 4: from three. I don't know if these guys are as
Speaker 4: are as good of a fit to do that. I
Speaker 4: don't think it's a coincidence that rain Smith is the
Speaker 4: one that it's the most comfortable to where he can
Speaker 4: keep firing it up and he's fine. The other guys,
Speaker 4: like I think they know, like, hey, I can make shots.
Speaker 4: But man, if if that's what I'm really out here
Speaker 4: to do, probably not gonna work out as well because
Speaker 4: that's you know, look, sometimes guys are gonna get hot,
Speaker 4: Like Noah Waterman can get hot. We saw Terrence Edwards
Speaker 4: Junior get hot. But I think what happens now is
Speaker 4: that teams that are of a higher caliber like Ole
Speaker 4: Miss and the teams and the Bahamas and whatnot, they're
Speaker 4: you know, they're quicker, they're they're clearly more talented than
Speaker 4: the teams you play like Bellerman and Winthrop and whatnot.
Speaker 4: So it just takes him too long to get ready
Speaker 4: to shoot, like and at that point, like it's it's
Speaker 4: it's not in rhythm. So again, I don't have a
Speaker 4: problem with what Pat Kelsey wants to do as far
Speaker 4: as style of play. I just I think now we
Speaker 4: need to wait and see. And I kind of got
Speaker 4: a little bit of an indication last night with something
Speaker 4: he said in his postgame press conference that you know,
Speaker 4: he is going to have to reassess what he has
Speaker 4: to work with moving forward and figure out what makes
Speaker 4: the most sense, because it it really you know, good
Speaker 4: teams or any team. Teams that aren't good are gonna
Speaker 4: try to make sure you don't get this game sped up.
Speaker 4: And at that point, you know, maybe Chuck, you'll be
Speaker 4: able to take guys off the dribble and you'll get
Speaker 4: some things going and you're gonna shoot it better than
Speaker 4: you did last night. But you also have to have
Speaker 4: something else, something secondary, that you can get into that
Speaker 4: can generate, you know, something with a higher probability of
Speaker 4: working than just everybody firing it up. All right, quick break,
Speaker 4: Jay Williams ESPN College Basketball Hall of famer're going to
Speaker 4: join us, coming up here on the other side. We'll
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Speaker 4: it felt like last night the Lower Bowl. I mean
Speaker 4: it looked pretty good on TV. I mean I could
Speaker 4: see some seats that weren't that weren't occupied, but I
Speaker 4: felt like the crowd was just waiting for something to
Speaker 4: really go crazy about, and man, it never happened. Credit
Speaker 4: to Old miss for playing a big role in that.
Speaker 4: But also, I mean, louisll just couldn't get shots to fall.
Speaker 4: And I do think some you know, shooting thirties three's
Speaker 4: a game when you've played this many games and your
Speaker 4: percentage is what it is. I mean, I don't think
Speaker 4: they should be shooting as many, but there's no scenario
Speaker 4: where Louisville ends up being a remotely decent team where
Speaker 4: the three point shot is not a factor in that.
Speaker 4: So I think it's finding a balance as to what
Speaker 4: makes the most sense. And Pat Kelsey will let you guys,
Speaker 4: hear some sound from his press conference last night, and
Speaker 4: actually this might have been something that he This might
Speaker 4: have been a quote I saw in his radio interview, which,
Speaker 4: of course, if that's the case, then we can't play that.
Speaker 4: But he said something along the lines of they're going
Speaker 4: to have to figure out like where they are and
Speaker 4: moving forward because they now know they don't have case
Speaker 4: and they know they don't have Korin and that changes things.
Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it. And I think they missed
Speaker 4: prior more than I anticipated. And it wasn't necessarily because
Speaker 4: of production. It's just because of length and rent, protection
Speaker 4: and energy. I mean, he's a high energy guy. You know,
Speaker 4: there's a reason that you know he's the guy. And
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say this because I don't know what people
Speaker 4: individually think of him. I know you've heard others mention, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the guy that if he's on your team, you
Speaker 4: really love him. But man, you get it, and you
Speaker 4: would probably hate him too. If he's on the other team,
Speaker 4: that's just kind of, you know, kind of how it works.
Speaker 4: So they missed him in a major way. But if
Speaker 4: I was Pat Kelsey, and again, he knows a lot
Speaker 4: more about basketball than I ever will, and it's his job.
Speaker 4: He's going to do what he wants to do, and
Speaker 4: I would do the same thing. Right, don't put don't
Speaker 4: put your fate, don't put your you know your job,
Speaker 4: you know, don't don't try something just because you want
Speaker 4: to appease somebody else. So I think you just got
Speaker 4: to figure out what you have offensively, right, look at
Speaker 4: each individual player and figure out what can they do
Speaker 4: that would potentially put the opposing team on their heels.
Speaker 4: What do they have in their bag, what do they
Speaker 4: have you know that could cause some problems. Not only
Speaker 4: just you know, to score, because I think all these
Speaker 4: guys have the ability to knock down some shots here
Speaker 4: and there. There's skilled players, But what can you cook
Speaker 4: up with the personnel you have that is healthy and available,
Speaker 4: that that could generate decent looks to where you can
Speaker 4: you can score more points than what you did last night.
Speaker 4: You can get better looks, you know. I think Terrence
Speaker 4: Edwards Junior. There's something there, meaning he was the Sun
Speaker 4: Belt Player of the Year for good reason. He beat
Speaker 4: Michigan State by putting James Madison on his back last
Speaker 4: year at Michigan State. I just don't think he's a
Speaker 4: great fit as far as the style, and that's nobody's fault.
Speaker 4: Like ka Kelsey went out and built a brand new roster,
Speaker 4: and you know he prioritized shooting, and you know, I
Speaker 4: still have no problem with what he did as far
Speaker 4: as how he put the roster together. It's just one
Speaker 4: you're dealing with injuries and that impacts you in a
Speaker 4: major way. Not only because you've lost one guy that
Speaker 4: we know can shoot it and that's Coren Johnson, but
Speaker 4: now you're playing guys more minutes to where you can't
Speaker 4: rely on your depth. And if you're not able to
Speaker 4: rely on your depth, you've got guys that are playing
Speaker 4: more minutes than you anticipated and that's going to lead
Speaker 4: over to them not being as effective, not having the
Speaker 4: legs to knock down three point shots. So I don't
Speaker 4: think you need to reinvent yourself totally, but I think
Speaker 4: trying to do what you intend to do all year,
Speaker 4: meaning like with a team that you had that was healthy,
Speaker 4: that didn't have these these awful bad luck with injuries.
Speaker 4: You know, that just doesn't make any sense at this point.
Speaker 4: But again I'm not saying just completely start over, but
Speaker 4: retool it right, find some variation from the philosophy and
Speaker 4: the system and see what works. And look, it may
Speaker 4: be some trial and error and that that that's understandable,
Speaker 4: but it's also not ideal. You don't want to be
Speaker 4: trying out some things against Duke when they come to
Speaker 4: town on Sunday. But you know, here we are, all right,
Speaker 4: So we are expecting a call from Jay Williams at
Speaker 4: let's see at I sent him the number to call
Speaker 4: in yesterday last night at nine thirty when we were
Speaker 4: going back and forth, and he liked, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean when you like a message like you you know,
Speaker 4: the little thumbs he gave me the thumbs up on
Speaker 4: I said, perfect, the call in number is this because
Speaker 4: I gave him the hotline, not our ore call in line,
Speaker 4: and he earlier today actually was this morning. I was
Speaker 4: I noticed I got a notification when I was walking
Speaker 4: my daughter into uh to her grandma's house where she's
Speaker 4: at today, and he liked it, which I thought was
Speaker 4: like a confirmation. But he is yet to call. Maybe
Speaker 4: he thinks we're Central time. I don't know. But what
Speaker 4: should we do here? Should I like DM him and say,
Speaker 4: hey you good? Like we're a lot producing here on
Speaker 4: the air, like I don't, I don't really know, you know,
Speaker 4: And to be fair, I don't think for a second
Speaker 4: that that like he's dodging us. I mean, he hasn't called,
Speaker 4: so I guess technically he is, but like he's not like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna call because they're gonna like they're gonna
Speaker 4: roast me or something like he's not worried at all.
Speaker 4: In fact, he's really good at a at a back
Speaker 4: and forth and I look forward to having the conversation.
Speaker 4: But now, you know, now I don't know if it's
Speaker 4: gonna happen or not. So I'm just gonna write here,
Speaker 4: are you still? Are you good? All right? What else
Speaker 4: should I'll say?
Speaker 6: If this is like Texas, this is like going back
Speaker 6: and forth with your friend that's trying to yeah, text
Speaker 6: that girl, what should we write here?
Speaker 4: Yeah? So I'm gonna say are you good? If the
Speaker 4: hot line number? And I think you guys can actually
Speaker 4: hear me typing, So this is really happening. I'm writing
Speaker 4: right here. If the hot line number isn't working, which
Speaker 4: we did test it during the break to make sure
Speaker 4: it's working, because it's there's not many people who we
Speaker 4: give this number two. It's people who we want to
Speaker 4: bring in and you know, we have to. We don't
Speaker 4: want them to have to worry about loaded phone lines
Speaker 4: or whatnot. So I'm saying, are you good? If the
Speaker 4: hot line number isn't working, you can call five h
Speaker 4: two five seven to one seventy nine hundred. That's professional,
Speaker 4: right like that. That's like, that's not like, hey, you
Speaker 4: know you're late. Where are you? It's just like, are
Speaker 4: you still good? Yeah? If the hot line numbers are working,
Speaker 4: you can call this number. And then I'm also gonna
Speaker 4: say if something came up and you want to come
Speaker 4: on later in the show, oh that.
Speaker 5: Works too, yeah, leaves the door open.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then you're not coming. And by the way,
Speaker 4: and this is this is like, this is me directly
Speaker 4: reaching him. At what point do I like tweet out?
Speaker 4: Because like there are people who who probably aren't listening
Speaker 4: live that are going to listen to it on the
Speaker 4: podcast and at that point, they're gonna end up hearing
Speaker 4: you know, they're gonna end up hearing that we ended
Speaker 4: up here at three thirty and he hasn't called yet.
Speaker 4: And look, sometimes I would ask like, hey, what number
Speaker 4: can we reach you at. I just gave him our
Speaker 4: hotline number because I wouldn't think that he would want
Speaker 4: to give me his number. But I don't know, so
Speaker 4: I said, yeah, if you want to come on later
Speaker 4: in the show, that works to just let me know.
Speaker 4: And here's the thing I mentioned a moment ago, like
Speaker 4: he's not worried at all, like about like him not calling,
Speaker 4: maybe because he just big time to be in forgot
Speaker 4: about me, which will be totally understandable. But this I
Speaker 4: forgot that he tweeted this out last night, which again,
Speaker 4: you know, it's not a situation where like he doesn't
Speaker 4: want to come on because he's worried we're going to
Speaker 4: be mean to him or something, which we wouldn't be.
Speaker 4: I mean again, I mean just kind of a conversation
Speaker 4: with him, and I actually think he could end up mean.
Speaker 4: I think Jay Williams is really really good at basketball analysis,
Speaker 4: and I think there's a reason he's been at ESPN
Speaker 4: as long as he has doing a variety of different things.
Speaker 4: So I was just looking forward to to not only
Speaker 4: you know, having in mind to talk about U of
Speaker 4: L and the program and his thoughts on Pat Kelsey
Speaker 4: and what kind of nonsense was being spread from the
Speaker 4: previous staff about what was going on. But doesn't look
Speaker 4: like we're we're gonna have that happen, at least not
Speaker 4: right now here it is. I'm trying to find the
Speaker 4: tweety sent Yeah, he said, because I tweeted yesterday once
Speaker 4: we got it confirmed, because I did. I didn't bring
Speaker 4: this up after last Wednesday because I didn't want to promote.
Speaker 4: I didn't I didn't want this to happen. I didn't
Speaker 4: want to say, hey, we're doing this, He's coming on
Speaker 4: the show, and then like this happened. So unfortunately, that's
Speaker 4: that's what's happened right now. So yesterday and I wanted
Speaker 4: to probably give it a little bit more notice than
Speaker 4: we did, but I just I didn't want to put
Speaker 4: it out there that he's coming on until I felt
Speaker 4: for sure comfortable that it was going to happen. Right
Speaker 4: and you know, here we are and I promoted it
Speaker 4: and he's not here, so he said yesterday, see you tomorrow,
Speaker 4: because I put out Jay Will's said to join me
Speaker 4: on the show tomorrow afternoon. I put that out there
Speaker 4: yesterday after the show. We didn't have a time locked
Speaker 4: down yet. We then later agreed to three thirty, but
Speaker 4: he said he responded see you tomorrow. Plus I love
Speaker 4: the comments, tell them to call in if they got
Speaker 4: it in them. So like he's not, he's not worried
Speaker 4: about and we don't do that anyway. I wouldn't be like, hey,
Speaker 4: we got Jay Williams on the line, why don't you
Speaker 4: call in at five h two Bob seven one seventy
Speaker 4: nine hundred and tell him how you think he sucks.
Speaker 4: Like we wouldn't mean that's not what this is. And
Speaker 4: that wasn't what I was going to do. And I
Speaker 4: did have a back and forth with him initially last
Speaker 4: week on Thanksgiving and just said, look looking forward to
Speaker 4: having you on. Both fan basis around here are very
Speaker 4: energized when it comes to the new coaches that are
Speaker 4: you know, that are running the show. So I mean, again,
Speaker 4: I'm not saying he did it because he's he's worried
Speaker 4: about us being mean or that he's scared, but he
Speaker 4: did no show. I mean, that's technically what has happened here,
Speaker 4: and uh, maybe we'll find out why. Maybe he'll come
Speaker 4: on later, or maybe he just wanted to, you know,
Speaker 4: have me promote his appearance and then him big time
Speaker 4: me and make me look foolish. But I tried my
Speaker 4: best to protect myself from this happening. And you know,
Speaker 4: here we are.
Speaker 6: That happens on my podcast sometimes too, when I get
Speaker 6: some wrestlers on that and it and it's hard for
Speaker 6: me to try to promote it because as much as
Speaker 6: I really want to and want to put that graphic together,
Speaker 6: you just never know sometimes. And I'm these people have
Speaker 6: every single right to be busy and have more important
Speaker 6: things than to come on my show.
Speaker 5: But it happens.
Speaker 4: Yep, it happens. Uh, And you know he's probably got
Speaker 4: he Look, he's maybe he's traveling today again he's calling.
Speaker 4: Let me read you what he what he wrote me,
Speaker 4: uh yesterday he said, yeah, he's he's calling the Bama
Speaker 4: UNC game tonight in the a C C SEC Challenge.
Speaker 4: So looks like we've got somebody calling Austin. Can you
Speaker 4: tell him before you answer it? You listen to me,
Speaker 4: you good tell me, tell him before you answer it,
Speaker 4: ask him if he can hold through this break because
Speaker 4: we got to take a break, and or see if
Speaker 4: he can call back in five minutes.
Speaker 5: Okay, that cool, gotcha.
Speaker 4: I answer it, see if he can call back, and
Speaker 4: then we'll we'll get an answer from him and then
Speaker 4: go right to break and h and then you know,
Speaker 4: we'll have a conversation. I'm assuming the number he's calling,
Speaker 4: I'm assuming that person in the hotline is him. But
Speaker 4: you know, I guess we'll find out. Not a good
Speaker 4: look for me obviously, to you know, have somebody not
Speaker 4: come on, but hey, it happens. It's it's part of it.
Speaker 4: And I assume he was busy and it's no big deal.
Speaker 4: And now I just awkwardly wait to hear what he's
Speaker 4: telling Austin, because if I bring him on now, then
Speaker 4: it would be an extremely short conversation, and uh, I
Speaker 4: don't want to do that. I want to try to
Speaker 4: get the most out of this as best we can.
Speaker 4: So we shall see. What's what's the word?
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said, Well, he was very nice and very apologetic.
Speaker 6: He said he got a little sidetracked with some stuff.
Speaker 6: But he said, yeah, he'll be able to call back
Speaker 6: here in about five minutes.
Speaker 4: Perfect. Let's go to break right now, like, send it
Speaker 4: right there, and we'll come back and talk to Jay
Speaker 4: Williams right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.
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Speaker 4: welcome in a college Basketball Hall of Famer ESPN analyst,
Speaker 4: mister Jay Williams. Jay, thanks for making some time for us,
Speaker 4: and how you doing this afternoon? My man? Uh oh,
Speaker 4: it shows he's there, but I don't hear anything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I got him on too. I don't know what's up.
Speaker 5: We're on a and everything.
Speaker 4: Did he put us on hold or something? Is this
Speaker 4: some kind of a prank? Is he trying to get us?
Speaker 4: Are you sure you were talking to the real Jay Williams.
Speaker 5: We're getting got by Jay Williams. He might call, he
Speaker 5: might call back.
Speaker 4: Well you saw he was on the air.
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, and again we're here with you, buddy.
Speaker 4: All right, you got it? Here we go? Jay? Can
Speaker 4: you hear me?
Speaker 2: I can hear you? Now?
Speaker 4: What's up? Man, Sorry, I don't. I don't. I'm not
Speaker 4: sure what what led to that, but let's uh, let's
Speaker 4: get the conversation started again. ESPN analyst College Basketball Hall
Speaker 4: of Famer Jay Williams. I'll just start by backing up
Speaker 4: to last last Wednesday, obviously Louisville.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, hold on, Nick, how are you? How are
Speaker 2: This is a first encounter. I'm doing a very good
Speaker 2: encounter for you and I, well, very good encounter for.
Speaker 4: You and I I asked the same question, how are you?
Speaker 4: And I guess you didn't hear me. I was very
Speaker 4: I mean I was I was friendly. I was just
Speaker 4: wanting to see how you were doing before we dive in.
Speaker 4: But and I thought, maybe there's some kind of a prank.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's not really Jay Williams. But I can tell
Speaker 4: that I was around with a.
Speaker 2: Week week, like what's going on?
Speaker 4: We like to, you know, to mess around, and there's
Speaker 4: a lot of nonsense that goes on within this show,
Speaker 4: but none of that right now. But I'll just back
Speaker 4: up to Wednesday when it comes to the you know,
Speaker 4: for me being triggered by you saying that that Pat
Speaker 4: Kelcey was doing a good job. It's nice that Louisville
Speaker 4: is back, and you referenced what but Pat Kelsey inherited,
Speaker 4: which of course was a was a Louisville basketball program
Speaker 4: that was at a low that I didn't know possible.
Speaker 4: A lot of people would probably say the same thing.
Speaker 4: And there are many of folks that that cover college basketball,
Speaker 4: a lot of them, of course, within your family of
Speaker 4: ESPN folks that at times, I in my opinion, my
Speaker 4: opinion only I don't not the only one, but it's
Speaker 4: my opinion they would gaslight Louisville fans initially that they
Speaker 4: didn't have a right to be critical and be upset
Speaker 4: and really just think this is going to go really bad,
Speaker 4: meaning the Kenny Payne era. And I know the second
Speaker 4: year of that Kenny Payinn experience, your tone was a
Speaker 4: little bit different than it was the first time around,
Speaker 4: and you were nowhere near I mean, I mean, I'll
Speaker 4: just tell you who it is. I think Corey Alexander
Speaker 4: and Seth Greenberg, and I'm sure they know Kenny personally,
Speaker 4: and you know that's a fact that that matters, that
Speaker 4: that makes an impact as far as how you address
Speaker 4: certain things. But I'm of the belief and I'll ask
Speaker 4: you this directly. Whenever Kenny Payne first got to Louisville
Speaker 4: and things were not going great, he didn't inherit a
Speaker 4: great situation. But were you all when you talk to
Speaker 4: the staff, when you talk to people, when you come
Speaker 4: here to do a game and you get access and
Speaker 4: you're embedded within the program for that day or two
Speaker 4: that you're here, was it expressed that like there's really
Speaker 4: nothing that can be done. This is just the situation
Speaker 4: because of a mess that was inherited. Because I think
Speaker 4: that was initially what a lot of people thought, and
Speaker 4: then you know it didn't really play out that way.
Speaker 2: Well, first off, just let me tell you I love
Speaker 2: the way that we exchange notes and this is what
Speaker 2: this is how stuff should be. Right, Like, you have
Speaker 2: a strong opinion. I think a lot of times when
Speaker 2: I do TV, I do so much TV, people don't
Speaker 2: hear all the verticals in which I do TV and
Speaker 2: what I say. Right, So, and I really want to
Speaker 2: dig into this with you because I think it's important.
Speaker 2: So just know, like two years ago, I was coming
Speaker 2: back from the NBA. I was calling NBA games, so
Speaker 2: I was being reintroduced back to college basketball. Right was
Speaker 2: doing a radio show where we still talked about college
Speaker 2: basketball a little bit, but our primary thing we talked
Speaker 2: about was college football and NFL and NBA, and I
Speaker 2: was doing NBA countdown. So coming back into college ball
Speaker 2: last year, I obviously had paid attention to things that
Speaker 2: were going on between Kentucky, Louisville, Duke, all these great
Speaker 2: schools that I've known for so long, right, and I
Speaker 2: had text about the struggles, but that was really my
Speaker 2: first time calling a game and in hearing a lot
Speaker 2: of the reasoning behind why things weren't going well. So,
Speaker 2: but I also seen other schools in which didn't give
Speaker 2: off those similar excuses for lack of better terms that
Speaker 2: it turned around programs really really quickly. So at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the year, I called the game and I
Speaker 2: was like, you know what, just let me try to
Speaker 2: feel this out a little bit more, and like, let's
Speaker 2: see what he does this year. Because I don't know Nick,
Speaker 2: I know you don't know me. I am not afraid
Speaker 2: to save my damn mind on TV.
Speaker 4: I don't know you. I don't know you, but I
Speaker 4: certainly believe that and I've seen that over the years,
Speaker 4: So I got you, so you.
Speaker 2: Know, I say that at the beginning of the year
Speaker 2: and then you can you can look it up. Literally
Speaker 2: during the Kentucky game during halftime, I was like, I can't,
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't, I can't, I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: do that. I can't do that. Like I went so
Speaker 2: hard that even I felt like seth. I felt my
Speaker 2: producers like wow, like you really went in. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: that's just unacceptable. But I had not been calling basketball
Speaker 2: on the college level for those two years, so you
Speaker 2: didn't hear my voice anywhere around that stuff. That was
Speaker 2: my first time seeing it in real time, and I
Speaker 2: called it out for what it really was. So you know,
Speaker 2: my thing is just knowing who Pat Kelsey is and
Speaker 2: then frankly like going down there. And also just like
Speaker 2: Nola Smith was on that staff, I know Nola Smith
Speaker 2: since his time at Duke. Like, I'm not saying things
Speaker 2: are done right or wrong, but I was given a
Speaker 2: lot of insight when I found out about things, and
Speaker 2: then I saw things pan out, I was like, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't think this is the right way to go.
Speaker 2: So I'm not lambassing anybody. Nick. I just went when
Speaker 2: I saw it, and then I watched it happen in
Speaker 2: real time. I said, Nah, unacceptable. I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: back that. So that's just contextually how that whole situation.
Speaker 4: Went down, and that makes total sense. And one of
Speaker 4: the things that you mentioned as far as all the
Speaker 4: different the ways that your employer or ESPN utilizes you,
Speaker 4: not only is it hard for people to always have
Speaker 4: full context, but there's probably things that other people say
Speaker 4: and they just lump you in with it, and I'm
Speaker 4: I think in the moment I probably did that a
Speaker 4: little bit because as soon as I did it, I
Speaker 4: was corrected by people who said, hey, actually, after at
Speaker 4: halftime of the UKU of L game last year, he
Speaker 4: was pretty direct about how this just needs to change.
Speaker 4: So you know it, it was so bad that it
Speaker 4: still doesn't even seem real as far as how bad
Speaker 4: louisvill basketball was at that time. So I'm somebody who
Speaker 4: is very fortunate to have a position where I get
Speaker 4: to cover the team, but I'm a fan myself, so again,
Speaker 4: I was a little triggered when it comes to that,
Speaker 4: because I felt like the whole time that Louisville fans
Speaker 4: were aware that, man, this wasn't expected to be great
Speaker 4: from the jump, but man, this is malpractice as far
Speaker 4: as how things are being led. And I totally believe
Speaker 4: everything as far as what you were being told by
Speaker 4: people that you know, whether it be Nolan or others.
Speaker 4: And I think there's probably some partial truth to all that.
Speaker 4: But you know you were right. You've always been very
Speaker 4: direct and not afraid to share your opinion as far
Speaker 4: as what you really think. But when it comes to
Speaker 4: how it mean, how did it go that bad in
Speaker 4: your mind? What do you think really was the ultimate
Speaker 4: root of it being just maybe one of the worst
Speaker 4: hires ever?
Speaker 2: Look man, Like, first off, I've learned how this game
Speaker 2: of like an I often joke around whether that's in
Speaker 2: business or sports, and those those two words are combined
Speaker 2: in our field, right, Like, so when you go on
Speaker 2: when you go on the road and you sit down
Speaker 2: with coaches, and I'm not saying this was done at Louisville,
Speaker 2: but you always got to kind of decipher, right, It's
Speaker 2: like playing a damn game Nick where you're like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this guy told me this, but why is he telling
Speaker 2: me that? Right? And then like you have to use
Speaker 2: other sources to be like, all right, well I was
Speaker 2: told this, did this really happen this way or is
Speaker 2: it being presented to me? So then I go on
Speaker 2: air and I say things right. So it's like you
Speaker 2: have to do a lot of due diligence through other
Speaker 2: sources and you have to watch it a lot to
Speaker 2: know whether you're kind of being bs or not to
Speaker 2: be real right. So you know, I think a lot
Speaker 2: of times at Louisville, my thing is like, look, this
Speaker 2: nil game has changed a lot, right, But like I
Speaker 2: would often say, you got to get the top players,
Speaker 2: like you got to get people. You just have to
Speaker 2: have a system that you have to sell. And I thought,
Speaker 2: not like watching it, I wasn't sure that Louisville was
Speaker 2: being marketed and framed the right way by the coaching staff.
Speaker 2: Like to me, like when I think about Louisville basketball, man,
Speaker 2: I think about some of the legendary coaches that have
Speaker 2: coached there. I think about that rivalry with Kentucky basketball,
Speaker 2: Like I think about top tier players that have played
Speaker 2: on that team. That represents something bigger, and I just
Speaker 2: never feel like Louisville had that presence. It always feel
Speaker 2: like Louisville was smaller with that staff, And to me
Speaker 2: now it feels like even though back to back losses,
Speaker 2: but like it just feels different, Like and I said
Speaker 2: that on air. Yeah, it's like the bibe around it
Speaker 2: even watching it, like it's like there's an error about it.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a cockiness, there's a swagger to it,
Speaker 2: there's a there's like I'm not afraid to challenge you back,
Speaker 2: whereas those teams that I watched seemed timid and they
Speaker 2: seemed unsure, and that's not what Louisville basketball was.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and I think you you couldn't be more
Speaker 4: accurate when it comes to how the program was being
Speaker 4: sold and framed others, because you would think that a
Speaker 4: guy that you hired, that that played here what a
Speaker 4: national championship would would be able to maybe do that
Speaker 4: better than than than anybody. But for reasons that you know,
Speaker 4: I think there's a variety of reasons, it just didn't.
Speaker 4: It didn't work out that way. And and now you've
Speaker 4: got a guy who is who's who's going to either
Speaker 4: make it work here, he's going to die trying because
Speaker 4: he realizes this is a special program for a lot
Speaker 4: of the reasons that you just mentioned, And you know
Speaker 4: that that's refreshing Louisville. Don't how goo they're going to
Speaker 4: be this year. They're dealing with a lot of injuries
Speaker 4: and you just don't know how things are going to go.
Speaker 4: But this guy is clearly, you know, making and you
Speaker 4: shouldn't need this as a fan base, but for him
Speaker 4: to continuously talk about how appreciative he is to be
Speaker 4: the coach at Louisville and how you know he's he's
Speaker 4: he's highly he's basically gassing us up. And we didn't
Speaker 4: used to need that, but we kind of do now,
Speaker 4: I guess because of what's happened in recent years. So
Speaker 4: you you talked highly of Pat Kelsey. What is your
Speaker 4: before he was the coach at Louisville. How familiar were
Speaker 4: you with him and just kind of your thoughts on
Speaker 4: his his style as a coach.
Speaker 2: Well, I've known Pat for a while. One of the
Speaker 2: things I will say about Pat, just from a personal
Speaker 2: perspective and watching him over the years, is that like
Speaker 2: he is one of like, Look, I don't I don't
Speaker 2: want to use cliches, right because a lot of well
Speaker 2: these guys are competitive and their dogs. You gotta you
Speaker 2: have to understand how to be around the block. Do
Speaker 2: you get what I'm saying, Nick on that ye, Like.
Speaker 4: Like.
Speaker 2: I think that Kenney knew how to be arom the block,
Speaker 2: but he never knew how to be around the block
Speaker 2: as a head coach. You moving, you moving seats, you
Speaker 2: moving a seat down or two seats. It's a completely
Speaker 2: different experience, right every day, Like and I get this
Speaker 2: sometimes being on air, and I'm not comparing to being
Speaker 2: a head coach of Louisville at all, but like there
Speaker 2: are a lot of times I'm like, Okay, I'm trending.
Speaker 2: Like if somebody tell me I need to kill myself,
Speaker 2: if somebody tell me that I'm stupid, it's somebody time
Speaker 2: I need to lose my job. Like you've got to
Speaker 2: be able to like kind of block all that craziness
Speaker 2: out Easier said than done. And also you got to
Speaker 2: know where bodies are buried, man, Like this ain't this
Speaker 2: isn't elementary school like and that that takes reps so
Speaker 2: for anybody, Like when you're trying to do that at
Speaker 2: a place where like your name was synonymous with being
Speaker 2: a champion and representing your school at a high level
Speaker 2: with not really knowing how to do that, Like Pat
Speaker 2: knows how to do that, like Pat's built programs from
Speaker 2: the beginning, like I watched it right, Like I watched
Speaker 2: it his entire time, Like when College of Charlestoner is
Speaker 2: ranked top twenty five nationally, Like I've seen him build
Speaker 2: programs over time, and how he's been able to do that.
Speaker 2: He's done that by being around the block and being
Speaker 2: experienced as a head coach and forming the right staff
Speaker 2: and making sure the right staff knows how to raise
Speaker 2: some capital, knows how to get the right people on
Speaker 2: the door. It's just a different it's a different thing
Speaker 2: when you're in that seat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're running the show. I mean you're you're
Speaker 4: you're the CEO essentially, and you got to have some
Speaker 4: presidential qualities about yourself. And there's a lot more to
Speaker 4: it that you probably don't like to do, but it's
Speaker 4: very important. And no, I think that makes that makes
Speaker 4: total sense. Ja Williams is our guest here joining us
Speaker 4: on Sports Talk seven ninety. So I do want to
Speaker 4: take the time we have had with you to also
Speaker 4: address the Kentucky fans. We we are in Louisville, Kentucky,
Speaker 4: a big market for college basketball.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're hitting on both you're hitting on both fronts
Speaker 2: right now that I like it.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just trying to catch up a little bit
Speaker 4: because I know that you mentioned something about Cooper Flag
Speaker 4: and just how he's going to continue. He's a guy
Speaker 4: that's going to bring more eyeballs to college basketball. He's
Speaker 4: probably the most hyped guy entering the college game since
Speaker 4: for a long time, maybe since Zion and that crew
Speaker 4: that came in some years ago. But give me the backstory.
Speaker 4: What what led to Kentucky fans getting so upset? Because I,
Speaker 4: I mean, I kind of caught up late, but I
Speaker 4: still didn't really understand what they were so mad about.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, so it was funny we're doing the game. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, you know, fans only hear what they
Speaker 2: want to hear, of course, so you know, you know,
Speaker 2: while we're doing halftime of the game, I had said
Speaker 2: that I thought, which is which is accurate? So let
Speaker 2: me let me break down a couple of things. Number One,
Speaker 2: I said that, and I still do believe this way.
Speaker 2: I thought this was the most talented and the most
Speaker 2: depth that Duke has had since we won a national
Speaker 2: championship back in two thousand and one. Right, and that
Speaker 2: goes over to fifteen team that won a CHIP. Now,
Speaker 2: just because you have more talent doesn't mean that the
Speaker 2: talent is used the right way all the time.
Speaker 4: Right, more than anybody?
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, exactly right. And it's the same thing with depth, right.
Speaker 2: You know you could have depth, but there are a
Speaker 2: lot of players in Duke's roster that didn't play right,
Speaker 2: So how you use depth talent doesn't always translate to
Speaker 2: a better team with better chemistry. Like all those are
Speaker 2: different arguments with that, right. So, but that comment, within itself,
Speaker 2: I think it's accurate for the talent level of this
Speaker 2: Duke team in the player that they have doesn't mean
Speaker 2: they're going to mold into a better team than Kentucky inevitably,
Speaker 2: or maybe they could, who knows. It's a long season.
Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people started kind of
Speaker 2: like coming back at me with like, oh, how is
Speaker 2: that most talented? How's that most depth team workout? Because look,
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, man, like, I'm always
Speaker 2: gonna be objective with my with my job and my team.
Speaker 2: Like I'm a fan of a lot of different schools, right,
Speaker 2: so but I would say I'm also I played basketball, dude.
Speaker 2: But I'll tell you when I think Duke sucks, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you when I think they're good. Like, I don't
Speaker 2: try to sugarcoat anything just because I played basketball there, Like,
Speaker 2: I'm real. There have been times where I haven't been
Speaker 2: allowed to go back to Cameron d Or Stadium because
Speaker 2: Gray Sollend was tripping people all the damn time. I'm like,
Speaker 2: stop tripping people. Broke Oh yeah that was That was
Speaker 2: another intense moment, right, But I get it. But I'm
Speaker 2: always gonna do my job, and I'm almost gonna tell
Speaker 2: you honestly how I felt. So I think fans are
Speaker 2: triggered by that comment. And also when that comment gets
Speaker 2: clipped and that goes on social media, like people don't
Speaker 2: have context around what it means. People act a certain way.
Speaker 2: That's one thing, right, So everybody started getting my mentions
Speaker 2: because of that. Secondly, the game is over and I'm
Speaker 2: on sports Center right after the game, nick like literally
Speaker 2: seconds after the game. Okay, So I go on Sports
Speaker 2: Center and I'm getting ready to make my comment about Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Now all my network, which I don't control, on a
Speaker 2: huge jumble screen behind me is a massive damn picture
Speaker 2: of Cooper Flag. So you can imagine in my mind
Speaker 2: just like your mom, like, ah shit, here we go.
Speaker 2: Like I know what's gonna happen. I know the first
Speaker 2: question they're gonna ask me about is Cooper Flag because
Speaker 2: I've already seen it. I've seen it last year when
Speaker 2: he was playing high school basketball. How we started to
Speaker 2: sell him like and I'm sorry for going on on,
Speaker 2: but I just want to be real about it. Okay,
Speaker 2: who was the last like incredible like player that we
Speaker 2: had to do us side of ZIGN also is like marketable,
Speaker 2: Like it's like Cooper Flag is somebody I know people
Speaker 2: are naturally going to compare to Christian Latner JJ Reddick,
Speaker 2: Like you get where I'm going here with this without
Speaker 2: saying you know what I mean, like like, oh, he's
Speaker 2: gonna be the white superstar and i'd've been living that world.
Speaker 2: I just had people come up to me and say that,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I would not even frame it that way,
Speaker 2: but okay, I see how people are doing that. What
Speaker 2: happened last year with Caitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese, like
Speaker 2: it turned into a little bit at where it's like
Speaker 2: Magic Johnson Larry Bird, like, like media can make people
Speaker 2: hate people or make people love people, but they're gonna
Speaker 2: market somebody that they think has an appeal that moves
Speaker 2: the needle. So like, come in and last year I
Speaker 2: knew that, and then USA basketball, the way he played,
Speaker 2: I knew it was gonna be that situation. So right
Speaker 2: off the top of the show, I get asked by
Speaker 2: our sports center host, So Jay, like, what does this
Speaker 2: say about Cooper Flag. I cut her off and I say,
Speaker 2: I'm not here to talk about Cooper Flag. I'm giving
Speaker 2: credit to Kentucky basketball. Kentucky basketball, right, and I go
Speaker 2: into all the reasons why I think Mark Pope has
Speaker 2: done one hell of a job at UK bringing in dogs. Now, granted,
Speaker 2: lost to Clemson in our night, but still like I
Speaker 2: I like the way this Kentucky team is constructed, right,
Speaker 2: So I give them credit for like two three minutes.
Speaker 2: And then obviously you have to go talk about Cooper
Speaker 2: Flag and about what you learned in the situation. I
Speaker 2: saw him, you know, having the ball multiple times, not
Speaker 2: in a position I felt like was to succeed for him,
Speaker 2: and how that played out. Well, come off, and I'm
Speaker 2: going back to raps and I have all these Kentucky
Speaker 2: fans coming at me like, oh, you're going after you know,
Speaker 2: you talk. Of course you're talking about Cooper Flag. Blah
Speaker 2: bah blahah, Like cause most of the people, you know,
Speaker 2: if you're at a bar or you're you know, it's
Speaker 2: white noise in your back in your house. You're not
Speaker 2: really listening to what I'm saying. You're just seeing the
Speaker 2: visual and you're hearing me talk, right, So you see
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag behind me. So like all these people started
Speaker 2: coming at me. I'm like, hold on a second. Like
Speaker 2: I gave Kentucky all the love in the world, so
Speaker 2: I like to engage people. And I also think sometimes
Speaker 2: it's like, yo, if Kentucky had a player like Cooper,
Speaker 2: we'd be all over it. Now we can still gonna
Speaker 2: promote Kentucky basketball, but like the same way tonight Duke
Speaker 2: is gonna play Auburn, Like you're gonna get a high
Speaker 2: dosage volume doses are Cooper Flag, whether you like or not.
Speaker 2: So I just went on my social media and say, hey, look,
Speaker 2: I gave Kentucky love, but like here's marketing, here's how
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen. You may like it, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 2: like this is the reality. So like you could shut
Speaker 2: it up, shut people up like win, go win at
Speaker 2: championship please, But like this is how media works unfortunately,
Speaker 2: and it's gonna be too exhaustion for people. Kentucky fans
Speaker 2: are gonna hate it because they're gonna find a way
Speaker 2: to talk about Cooper Flag regardless of whether Duke wins
Speaker 2: or loses a game, because it moves the needle. I
Speaker 2: don't know why I'm not involved in data and analytics,
Speaker 2: but it's just what it is. I saw the same
Speaker 2: thing with Zion and I dealt with the hate. So
Speaker 2: I guess that just ruffled a lot of feathers in
Speaker 2: a long winded context way.
Speaker 4: No, And I mean he's somebody that clearly, I mean,
Speaker 4: your employer, ESPN was well aware that this guy is
Speaker 4: gonna bring more eyeballs to college basketball, which of course
Speaker 4: will market him even more so when he gets to
Speaker 4: the NBA, which of course ESPN and NBA have a
Speaker 4: great relationship together. So I mean, look what you said
Speaker 4: before that, just what you prefaced with was the truth
Speaker 4: is that fans here what they want to hear. You
Speaker 4: could have you could have done thirty five minutes just
Speaker 4: talking about Mark Pope and his offensive structure and how
Speaker 4: how great he is. But maybe one comment about Cooper
Speaker 4: flag and that's what would have probably triggered some people.
Speaker 4: So I know how it works. But Jay, real quick,
Speaker 4: I want to do a little bit of a rapid
Speaker 4: fire with you here because I know you've been very
Speaker 4: gracious with your time. You got a game to call
Speaker 4: the night. But I'm going to give you a few
Speaker 4: questions here. You just give me the first answer that
Speaker 4: comes to your mind. You're ready, all right. Best player
Speaker 4: you played against in college that didn't end up becoming
Speaker 4: like a big time name, didn't have a long NBA career,
Speaker 4: But somebody that you went up against, that you competed with,
Speaker 4: is you had a lot of respect for that. Maybe
Speaker 4: a lot of people don't remember or don't you know,
Speaker 4: don't don't know a lot.
Speaker 2: About Wan Dixon played for Maryland. They win a championship.
Speaker 2: Like Steve Blake went to the league. I guess say
Speaker 2: Steve Blake too, but he played in the league for
Speaker 2: a long time. But like Wan was almost like a
Speaker 2: college version of Rip Hamilton.
Speaker 4: That's a great question, And I got to ask you
Speaker 4: this real quick. This has nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: You could settle this po tell me I look like
Speaker 4: Steve Blake. You've never seen me. I've got to pick.
Speaker 4: I've got my picture on Twitter. You have to look
Speaker 4: right now. But like you would be one. You're the
Speaker 4: one person who I know that that has actually that
Speaker 4: probably knows Steve Blake, that's competed against him. So like
Speaker 4: i've you could be called worse than Steve Blake, but
Speaker 4: I've been in denial. But lately, as I got older,
Speaker 4: I kind of feel like, you know, maybe that is
Speaker 4: somebody that I do kind of kind of look like,
Speaker 4: oh my.
Speaker 2: God, nick, I am on social media, but you do
Speaker 2: look like Steve Blake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought I thought so. Yeah, I thought so.
Speaker 4: I once I hit like thirty five, like it became
Speaker 4: like okay, now I kind of ceased, like I'll see
Speaker 4: a Stevey.
Speaker 2: When did you let the hair go? When did you
Speaker 2: let it go?
Speaker 4: Oh? I shaved it off. I shaved my head off
Speaker 4: whenever I was probably like twenty and then I just
Speaker 4: have kept it really short ever since. I got a
Speaker 4: decent hairline and I'm not balding. But I'm the guy
Speaker 4: that like may one day I'll try to like prove
Speaker 4: to people I don't have the short hair because I
Speaker 4: needed to and then I won't be able to grow
Speaker 4: it back. But yeah, I'll see those clips that people
Speaker 4: share of Steve Blake, like fighting people in practice or
Speaker 4: just like the highlight mixes from him in the NBA
Speaker 4: with the Lakers and Kobe, And I'm like, you know what,
Speaker 4: I kind of get why why people say that?
Speaker 2: All right? I don't know if you if you, if
Speaker 2: you made money like him and you're doing well.
Speaker 4: Like I trust me, I've made no money like him,
Speaker 4: but maybe maybe one day. All right, So you mentioned
Speaker 4: Louis of Basketball as far as all of the great
Speaker 4: coaches that have been here in the success. When you
Speaker 4: when you think of louisvill basketball, rather it be from
Speaker 4: when you were growing up, when they were having a
Speaker 4: great run in the eighties, maybe when you were a player.
Speaker 4: Maybe since you've been an analyst, who's the first player
Speaker 4: that comes to mind for you when you think of
Speaker 4: Louis of Basketball?
Speaker 2: I mean, well, coach it always I mean obviously Benny Crumb,
Speaker 2: but obviously Rick Patino, and then player I always like
Speaker 2: I go to like when I was one, Like you know,
Speaker 2: one of the best parts about my job is I
Speaker 2: formed relationships with so many guys and one of the
Speaker 2: guys that was going through it during his time there
Speaker 2: was Donovan Mitchell. So what I'm thinking, like, I'm not
Speaker 2: talking about like longevity or like hey back in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Like obviously there are a ton of great players that
Speaker 2: played at Louisville, But for me, I always go back
Speaker 2: to d Mitch because I watched him when he was
Speaker 2: like a slasher in when his confidence was down, and
Speaker 2: to see what he's turned into now, like in the
Speaker 2: type of player he is, like being like one of
Speaker 2: the best players in the league. It also made me
Speaker 2: appreciate Rick even more because like, you know, last thing,
Speaker 2: I'll say, Nick, and I gotta get out of here,
Speaker 2: and I guess it. The go break is like look, man,
Speaker 2: like the way like media confram people as like cheaters
Speaker 2: and all the it's kind of like bullshit. I'm not
Speaker 2: even sure if I'm a lot of the cursing your show,
Speaker 2: but I'm doing it.
Speaker 4: You did, and we've been able to use this magic
Speaker 4: button that that that that makes it to where yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't happen, and so you're good, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I won't do it anymore. But like, like, let's not
Speaker 2: act like crazy. Things don't go on in collegiate sports.
Speaker 2: Like people are mad now because they feel like collegiate
Speaker 2: sports are getting professionalized. These things have gone on at
Speaker 2: a lot of places now. Whether they have you know,
Speaker 2: come to life or not is a different story. And
Speaker 2: I'm not saying everything happens everywhere, okay, But like I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I have not had one player or
Speaker 2: come up to me and ever say one negative thing
Speaker 2: about Rick Patino. So like I'm not coming on your
Speaker 2: show backing anybody. I'm just telling you what I've heard
Speaker 2: from players over the years. So for me, like watching
Speaker 2: Rick build in my relationship with him, and then also
Speaker 2: like Rick and I have been through it too, right
Speaker 2: with things I've said on TV, and we've had to
Speaker 2: work through those things. But like watching with Donovan, to
Speaker 2: me that that one always stands out because I don't
Speaker 2: I thought Donovan had talent. I didn't know he had
Speaker 2: that type of talent.
Speaker 4: Oh he's away better NBA player than he was in college.
Speaker 2: I mean, I agree, I mean I but Rick always
Speaker 2: thought he had talent though, like next level talent, and
Speaker 2: I was always like, uh, I don't know, man, Rio's
Speaker 2: like I'm trying to tell you, Jay, I think there's
Speaker 2: something different, and I was like, okay, like I hear you,
Speaker 2: but and I watch it now I'm like, damn.
Speaker 4: He's special's special.
Speaker 2: Notice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jay, you are the man. I really appreciate you
Speaker 4: making talent for us and having a lengthy conversation, good
Speaker 4: back and forth. Hopefully we can maybe do it again
Speaker 4: some other time. Keep up the great work, and again
Speaker 4: appreciate you joining us.
Speaker 2: Same to you, brotherin. We'll talk to rom there.
Speaker 4: Take care. It's Jay Williams.
Speaker 2: All right, Steve or Steve Blake. Thanks man.
Speaker 4: Well, hey, I can't I can't run from that. I
Speaker 4: can't run from that good stuff. All right, quick break,
Speaker 4: we'll come back. Keep this thing rolling along. It's coffee
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