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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to season four,

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episode twenty of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler,

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joined by Adam Oslind and William Updyke. Thank you for

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hanging out. It's a joyous occasion. If you're watching us

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at YouTube dot comum slash at Clippers podcast, thank you.

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If you're listening to us. We also like that the

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Clippers went four and one over our let's go five

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and oh stretch. We're gonna talk about that. We're gonna

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talk about the Lakers game, and there's real trade rumors,

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and I think we have to talk about Cam Reddish

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because we've been asked about it multiple times.

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Speaker 2: Sure, legally he's a new Clipper in the D League.

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Speaker 1: He's a new Clipper. Adam, will how are you fellas

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doing after the five? The four and one over this

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winnable stretch of five games?

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Speaker 2: Great?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it wasn't that like what I mean, I

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know that's what we were talking about, being baseline, But

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the only way of like overachieving that would be to

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go five and out, which ultimately they didn't do. But

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it's understandable. The back to back throne and there a

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lot of travel.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't mad at the loss as a whole.

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Speaker 3: Last night. How many made threes by the Bulls of

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franchke five twenty five, two below the record for any

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team I believe.

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Speaker 2: No the records, I think twenty nine. Okay, so for

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Boston Milwaukee. But it was rough. However, it kind of

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was playing with house money last night, in my opinion.

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Somebody in my comment section yesterday was like, this is

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really disappointing. You know, we always lose to the bad teams.

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That's what people don't like about this loss. I'm thinking

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to myself, you guys know the Bulls were favored in

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that game, right, I don't know where you're coming from.

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Where we should beat all these teams, and the Bulls

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the guy said they were sorry ass team or something

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like that. They they might win forty games this year.

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The Bulls. They're not that bad, So I didn't take

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that as a terrible loss.

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Speaker 1: We also got the win against the Raptors, which like

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the fashion in which that win was procured.

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Speaker 3: I think I was.

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Speaker 1: Like that, I'd rather win that one than the way

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if we were gonna go four and one, I'd much

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rather win that Raptors game than that Wizard's game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Wizards game was shades of the Raptors

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game with once again James Harden coming through late and

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having the last six points where he had the last

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eight points of the fourth quarter to get into overtime

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at Toronto. There was some real character building type of

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wins on this trip without Kawhi.

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Speaker 1: And I also feel like the team like they over

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this five game stretch. They shot thirty three from three,

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which is not good, but they were like they were

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a bunch of steals. They weren't turning the ball over.

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Speaker 2: They won a game with their worst three point shooting

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night ever, like twenty six. Okay, it wasn't their first

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worst three point shooting night, but it was the worst

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they've ever shot while winning a game, and that happened

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against Washington because they beat him up and got to

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the free throw line a ton uh second chance points

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and they capitalize off of turnovers. So they're finding other

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ways to win, which is great to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the real bad news was the Kawhi knee contusion,

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which will what was your freak out level when you

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saw the Kawhi alert pop up that he was sent

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home alert.

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Speaker 3: Deaf con five. That's a low deaf con. You were chilling. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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one is bad. Yeah yeah, as it gets lower, it's bad.

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Zero is imminent nuclear war against.

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Speaker 2: The clip on his knee.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. When I saw it was sent home, I

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was kind of I freaked out a little bit because

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it was just.

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Speaker 3: Like confusion though, makes me like a little bit less nervous,

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I guess, just in terms of things, I Adam, you're

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shaking your head. Do you disagree with that?

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Speaker 2: No? I agree, that's like that's how I felt.

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Speaker 3: If it was a sprain or something like that, Like

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then we're talking about like a deaf Con three or

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something a little bit more worrisome, but something like a confusion. Yes,

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you do have to deal with the timeline and rehabit

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the correct way, but that to me is a much

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less troubling injury than something structural or ligament or something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not even his right knee, and we

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know he already played on it because it happened against

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Detroit the last road trip, that last game where they

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came back down fourteen, So I don't know. My concern

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levels pretty low. And I even said on the show

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last weekend that you know, the only way it goes

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up is if he's out for the Lakers game, right

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which my Lakers game, and I said on that show,

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like my guess is he'll be questionable. Questionable is good

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news for the Lakers game the day before. That's typically

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how it goes in the series of steps to getting back.

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Once when a guy is out usually goes from out,

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not to just available right away, it goes to questionable.

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So just reading tea leaves here, but I always guess

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he plays. We'll get but to more of that, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He is questionable for tomorrow, which is great, and now

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it's like, all right, whatever and the level again, no

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disrespect to the teams that are in the NBA for

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those games to be missed.

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Speaker 3: Collins missed.

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Speaker 1: One of the more how can you next know what

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I'm saying, a game against the team where it's a

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little more of an even competition.

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Speaker 2: He also he went and did an event in Toronto

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that weekend before he went back, and I kind of

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big brand it Galaxy branded, and was like, maybe he

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was on the trip and there was a chance he

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could play, but he also needed to be at this

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event for the Boys and Girls Club.

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Speaker 3: Was there any was there any other co sponsor that event.

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Speaker 1: Any particular Okay, just I don't know if he's still

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if that could have fulfilled something.

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Speaker 3: Harden was getting it done. Adam, you pointed out.

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Speaker 1: His drives have been up lately and he's gotten ten

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free throws a game over this last five games, which

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really helped because he was shooting twenty percent from three.

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Speaker 3: But it's nice to see the drives up.

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Speaker 2: It could just be that he's not hitting from threes

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right now. But I'm not even necessarily talking about the

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sport VU tracking stuff that does show that he's driving

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it five more times per game in January as opposed

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to December. But he just looks like he has more juice,

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like he's got more bursts going to the basket. He's

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more explosive than he's been in prior years. And the

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three pointers are only down by like half a three

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per game, so it's not like he's not still trying

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to get get them up and he needs to get

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out of the funk. So I think he just feels good,

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like his legs are feeling good out there. He did

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get blocked, probably more times than I've ever seen James

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Harden get blocked in a game many times, but he

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still got there, and he still blew by his man

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to get there. The Biggs were just waiting for him.

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I think it's really encouraging. He looks more spride than

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he did his first year with the Clippers. And I've

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been always wondering if that injury he had with the

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hammy in Brooklyn, the further he gets away from that,

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even though he's aging, he's also getting further away from

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a pretty devastating injury, is that going to help him

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where he could regain some of his athleticism and explosiveness.

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And right now looks pretty good.

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Speaker 1: But does that also play into the theory will of

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this team is old guys, so they should stay in motion.

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And maybe this All Star break could have some negative effects.

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Speaker 3: You know. I always like, I think these things can

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go either way. I feel like it comes up every

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year in the NFL. If you get the if you

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get the bye weeks, if you hit the buye week

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out of the wild card round, and I feel like,

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and this is all anecdotal, but I do feel like

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we have seen this Clipper team be a little bit

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slow to start outside of the All Star break.

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Speaker 1: Certainly this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I there can be a multitude of reasons

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for that. I guess I'm gonna generally side on the

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idea that all rest is good rest, so more rest

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equals more gooder, and that I don't think that that

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alone is going to contribute to the Clippers going on

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another bit of a skid if that does in fact

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happen after the post All Star break.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he has been having to do just again,

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we say it every single year, so much for this

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play so many minutes for this team.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine buy around the All Star break, they

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may have another player on this team to handle a

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rock a little bit more. But we can get into

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that in a bit interesting.

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Speaker 1: One player per clutch Points. There was a Clutch Points

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article we're gonna talk about today that does not appear

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to be moved is John Coffins, which I am a

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static about. Get Collins on the team next year and

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for many years after that. He's been playing so well.

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I know the three point percentage is going to come down, obviously,

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but he's what I like about how obviously I like

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that he's playing well. I like that he figured out

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how to play well. He didn't, you know, what I mean.

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It's not like the Clippers changed his role that dynamically

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from what they wanted him to do in the beginning.

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He's just more comfortable in the system. So he's showing

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adaptability for a team that really needs it given the

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injury situation.

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Speaker 2: And wild enough, even with a Visa Zoo boss back

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and all that spacing taking away that was given to

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John Collins from Brook Lopez. It's weird. John Collins is

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still shooting the hell out of the ball even with

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Big Zoo out there in the starting lad next it's

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all's like that spacing thing was a myth.

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Speaker 1: I wonder what his contract looks like next year. He's

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at what twenty five or whatever right now?

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Speaker 2: A year yeah, uh, twenty five to twenty six. I

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still don't think it's totally off the table that he's

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going to be a Clipper next year. They're not going

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to trade him if the right trade package came along,

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because he is an unrestricted free agent. It's not like

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they have a restricted free agent here that they just

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have to pay and they can match with anyone. You

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can't afford to lose this guy for nothing. Damn.

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Speaker 3: That is true.

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Speaker 2: Forgot he was unrestricted, but I think it's more likely

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and now they keep him.

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Speaker 1: Right, the trade would have to that would be an

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interesting trade for College.

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Speaker 2: The fact that they entertained it before this thirteen of

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sixteen eighteen and three over the last sixteen game streak.

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If those reports are true about Demarto rows and stuff.

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The fact that they entertained and they shouldn't entertain anything.

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In my opinion, there's still nineteen twenty four, but that's

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not nothing, and I'm sure they would listen to any trade.

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Doesn't mean they're gonna do it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what. I'm really happy they didn't need

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the durosm trade. That would not have been.

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Speaker 3: Fun.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'd love to see John Collins continue

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to stay with this team because it was the type

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of a prototype of player they were looking for for

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a while. They got him. It started off slow, took

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him a little bit to click in and get the

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chemistry built up and know his role, but once it did,

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he has absolutely taken off. And yes, the three point

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shooting is gonna come back to earth, but there's a

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real good chance he's gonna at least shoot like thirty

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seven percent or better from three this season.

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Speaker 1: Well, Will and I were talking about this too when

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Derek Jones Junior got hurt the first time, Like what

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happens when he comes back with the starting lineup, Like

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it's kind of an interesting Well, I think we landed

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on Collins probably stays for this season in the starting

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lineup once Derek Jones comes.

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Speaker 3: Back, I think, given his impact in the way he

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has turned things around, you know, because I do think

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that that was a part of this learning segment, is

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that he did have to shift his role a little bit. Yes,

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but yeah, you know, in the absence of here's the

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other thing. Last time Derek Jones Junior was back, it

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was not for an extended stay unfortunately, So I think like,

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not only would he have to come off the bench,

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I think you'd have to have reasonable, like a reasonable

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assurance that he wasn't gonna have another injury. I'll be

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at the one in Boston was sort of a freak

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thing how it went down, So of course there's nothing

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like guaranteed, but you would want to have him have

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an extended run to even think about like changing up

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that starting lineup, Like everything is going so well, I

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just don't I don't see any point into shaking in,

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shaking it up really well?

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Speaker 1: How long long is it has he been out there

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between the two injuries or no, just since since the

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second weeks A couple of weeks, damn.

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Speaker 2: Because Boston was one of they won six in a row,

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then they got blown out by Boston. Jalen Brown comes

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back and he gets hurt. In that game, Jalen Brown

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has fifty and they they hit twenty four threes. Yeah,

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I don't think. I think it's pretty solidified that DJ

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is gonna be coming off the bench, especially because they

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have Chris Dunn in the starting lineup. They have a

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point of attack defender in there, and Colin's playing this

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good solidifies his role there. I think it's safe.

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Speaker 1: We have to give another shout out to Jordan Miller,

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who over the five game streak has fourteen points per

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game on fifooting and four boards. I'm surprised to how

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good he's been, and I mean that bullain. I Yeah,

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now that he's proven it in this role, been like awesome,

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Like this is great. We've seen him way more confident.

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The reason that we get to see his bag and

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all of these moves is because he's so confident, right,

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now because he's playing within the system, he's playing well,

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and he's getting to his spots like it's it's pretty

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rad to see the the Miller renaissance. Miller Miller.

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Speaker 3: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty impressive that he's adjusted back. They adjusted and

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he found a counter and he can still go left

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now that his handle looks tighter and he's got a

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multitude of moves in his bag.

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Speaker 3: Where did it come from?

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Speaker 2: The guy put in the work, And I do think

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it's a confidence thing. It's funny. Over the six game

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winning streak, Jordan Miller had I think, by far the

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best plus minus on the team and then got she

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lacked with a minus thirty three yesterday in that game,

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and that's just I don't It kind of tells you

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a little bit of trying to rely on that stat

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and how fluky it can be in a smaller sample size.

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Speaker 1: Was that the worst on the team yesterday?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, thirty three is that's rough, But I and again,

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I don't think he was that bad or that matches

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the eye test of how he was. He happened to

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be on the court when they were making those runs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think the best plus on the team over the six games.

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That also means he was the best player on the

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team every game. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's averaging more points per ZUE over the last

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five games by like zero point three points.

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Speaker 3: But still interesting.

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Speaker 2: He's gotta play better, zoo.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. Shout out to Kobe Sanders.

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And came Christy, who's also having kind of another like.

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Speaker 3: Christie. So he's been better. Yeah, there we goized, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Her Frozens Visa you're back. Oh we thought, now you're back.

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Now we got that. And there you.

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Speaker 3: Charles keeps popping in and out if you're listening to

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this after the fact.

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Speaker 4: So well you want to talk about he's just so

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flustered about a Visa Zobos recent performance despite the Clippers uptick, Adam,

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what's what's going on there?

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Speaker 3: I thought he was really good against the potential trade.

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Speaker 2: His game against Toronto was strong, his first game back

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after he missed another game with the ankle issue that

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had him miss a couple of weeks. And he was

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good and a big part of why they came back

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in that game. He played heavy minutes. I thought he

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was very so the last two games of the road trip,

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though he just he wasn't moving the same. He didn't

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have the pop or the energy out there, especially yesterday,

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second night of a back to back. Of course, you

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throw that caveat in there, but even with that, I

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still expect more from a beatsuzubas he just has to

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play with more force out there. There was a point

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where he missed multiple tipp ins on a just a

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bunny shot, just an easy bucket there, just to lay

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up a gimme, And then the next time down Harden

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finds him in the pocket, roll into the basket and

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he just throws it down and it was like he

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understood that, Oh, yes, this is what I was supposed

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to be doing the last possession, and I should have

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just dumped it instead of trying to tip it in

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like this. So I just think he's been up and down,

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and the injuries don't help being in and out of

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the lineup, But he needs to be more steady and

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more consistent, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and he's always kind of not always because

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I hate to say that, but at times it seemed

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like his conditioning has been has had its struggles, has

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gone up and down. We see him, you can tell

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when the visa Zubots is physically tired on the floor

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like it's it's you know, it's not a big secret.

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And I wonder if just dealing with all these injuries

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has also impeded him from being to where he you know,

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wants to be from a conditioning perspective in all of this,

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because you're not just rehabbing the injury to like regain

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your you know, your regular u range of motion. You know,

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you're you're losing all this other stuff to a certain

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extent that that you work on throughout the season. I

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will say though, that he is still averaging a double

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double over the stretch, which, like I know, you know,

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we've come to expect that was like what we always

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wanted with for a visa Zoobots before his official sort

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of coming out party, Like Charles and I were always wondering,

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like when is Zoo finally going to be that guy

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that averages a double double? So he is still there.

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But this is also like a deaf con five to me.

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This is like I think, given everything, it's understandable. I

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think if you're seeing this same kind of uh, just

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loss of focus and like just just the sort of unawareness,

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some level of unawareness on the court coming out of

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the All Star break then something to be a little

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bit more worried about.

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Speaker 2: But apparently there was a big Croatian community up in Canada,

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and I was wondering if that's why you played so

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well against Toronto. That will add in motivation there.

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Speaker 3: Hey, how's it going. I'm gonna jump in.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna hurl myself off the freeway after this, So

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let's hurry this up.

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Speaker 3: Where we talking about Zoo? Sorry?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're just as play as of laid the injuries?

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How much is that a part of his up and

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down play? What do you expect from him, Chuck?

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Speaker 3: I mean said trade is imminent right now?

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Speaker 1: Do we think the rumors are getting to him? These

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are the heaviest trades. These are real trade Zoo rumors,

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not just people being upset about.

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Speaker 3: But I do want to say about the the rumors,

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is uh? Till mayor Zarly wonderful?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 3: Right? For the for the Clippers put out a report

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today breaking down on the trade deadline stuff, and he

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did talk about how there have been calls for Zoo,

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especially those intensified during the slump that the Clippers were in,

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which again makes sense an ailing team, you would think

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maybe they're ready to sell off some assets, but it

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doesn't seem like any of those offers were ever very

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seriously entertained on the Clippers side of things. So that

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to me kind of gives me pause about this idea

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of like, oh, our trade rumors like getting to him

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or something like that, because I like the report is

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like they didn't want to. From the reports that we have,

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there's just nothing to indicate that like he should have

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any reason to be like packing his bags or list

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in his house or anything like that, because it just

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doesn't seem like it's been that seriously entertained. I do

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think there have been probably the most serious offers that

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the Clippers have received on Zoo in his tenure as

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a Clipper. I just don't think. I still don't think

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it's a at the level of what the Clippers are

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looking for are expecting in a rere yeah, and and

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B that you know that they're willing to take any

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sort of step backwards on this season given the momentum

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that they currently have, if it's not going to involve

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significant future assets.

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Speaker 2: To me, look if somebody's making the Godfather off or

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like the Knicks to get Michale Bridges or what Minnesota

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did with Rudy Gobert.

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Speaker 3: But we haven't heard anything like that, right.

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Speaker 2: I think it's got to start at least two first

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round picks, and the one that was rejected was just one.

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The one they rejected it was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, from the reporting, it was not good enough swap.

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Speaker 2: Because my thing is, as much as the Superbots is

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having a down year, I think we are exaggerating it

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a little bit collectively, the fan base, the proverbial week.

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I think, uh, fifteen and eleven per game is not miserable.

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From your sen position, it's down slightly from where he

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was at last season. If you want to say it's

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more than the numbers, I'm listening to that argument. But

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if you look at his rem protection within six ft,

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it's been pretty good this season. It's just progress isn't linear,

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and Aviata Zubos is one of many guys that started

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off this season slow, and so when so many guys

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aren't playing up to their potential at once, I think

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that had an effect. Then the ankle injury, then he

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comes to your no. I think it's a lot of reasons.

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I mean, I think there's a lot of places you

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can lace to blame, but bottom line is he's got

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two more years and a very team friendly deal. Unless

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they are blowing you away with an offer, there is

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zero pressure for the Clippers to have to move a

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eat to Zubos right now. They have years after this

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one with him.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what other people are like losing in

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these trade conversations. It's like, this isn't an expiring like

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you know's really valuable. Con I think you could get

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a like I think you could get a first on

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an expiring deal for Zoo.

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Speaker 2: Like, like, twenty million year is a better deal than

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twenty million this year. It's only going to look better.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, well no, I agree, And I think that that's

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what like, that's got to be part of the calculus too.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and then yeah, it's just he's gonna be

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on the team. If you don't like that, I don't know,

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pick a new team.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: But if like people are some people are so upset

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that Zoo is still on the team, and you're like,

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just you got to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what to tell you.

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Speaker 2: It's been unhinge. The Zoo talk has been really out

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of bounds. It's been way too much, way too far.

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Somebody today said.

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Speaker 1: I'm out.

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Speaker 2: If John Collins is your starting five, get ready for

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him to put up prime a minutes if they get

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rid of Vista Zoo Boston, John calls is now you're starting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again he's because that's what it was like

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at every other stop for John Collins.

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Speaker 3: It's like, it's these guys that we have tape on too.

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It's like, dude, it's it's not like brook Lopez some

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unknown commodity in the basketball world. It's not like John

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Collins is gonna do something at this stage of his

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career that's gonna be like, oh wow, I did not

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know he had that in his bag. Like, well, it's

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not impossible. It's highly unlikely that either of these players

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are going to show you some sort of different look

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at starting at the five that's going to suddenly unlock

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this team.

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Speaker 1: And Zoo's available, which is arguably the most important thing

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to be for this Clippers.

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Speaker 3: Team, and young Gish twenty eight. Youngish, damn. We do

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have not young for the league, it's young for Clippers.

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Speaker 1: But we do have to acknowledge that Brook Lopez's rim

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protection was solid over this five game stretch.

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Speaker 3: Some good shit from Lopez. Oh yeah, Charles Au little

477
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full from meeting all that Crow Lopez Crow.

478
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Speaker 1: No, the only way I'm eating Crow is if they

479
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:19,519
trade Zoo Lopez starts and shoots forty percent from three,

480
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,279
then all the lunatics will be correct. I want Brook

481
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,359
Lopez to be good. Like we said last week, it

482
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,720
means the team is playing good.

483
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: Probably.

484
00:25:27,759 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: I think you're right though, even in the shooting, even

485
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,400
in the shooting slump that he has been in, which

486
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,680
has been pretty steep, he's thirteen for existent five. Yeah,

487
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:42,039
ever since he at nine threes up in Portland, thirteen

488
00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,720
of sixty five, that is twenty percent from the outside

489
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,559
the RUSS numbers. They're not guarding him, so like this

490
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,759
whole he creates space. If his man isn't guarding him,

491
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,160
then he's just sitting in the paint and you're playing

492
00:25:57,319 --> 00:26:00,440
four odd five at times. So that whole space thing.

493
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:04,039
Maybe people got a little bit ahead themselves, but well

494
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:04,720
everyone knows.

495
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Speaker 3: I think coaches only scout on Twitter and they exclusively

496
00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:09,799
gain plan a spreadsheet.

497
00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: That's JJ Reddick.

498
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: While he's in the car wash. Now, he has been

499
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,799
good defensively, and I think all other facets of his

500
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:22,880
game have been pretty strong during this stretch, and I

501
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,839
think he's still been solid and I think he can

502
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,759
still help his team. And I don't believe he's gonna

503
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go thirteen for his next sixty five from three. I

504
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believe in the overall body of work.

505
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Speaker 1: He found out a way to also get other buckets,

506
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,880
which we saw him match his season dunk total over

507
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,160
this trip. Like that's good to see, you know what

508
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,920
I mean, Like he's it's good, it's great.

509
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Speaker 3: Oh, we haven't even talked about this.

510
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Speaker 1: We also saw Zoo and Lopez minutes over this stretch.

511
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Speaker 2: There are some people that are gonna be in the

512
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:55,319
comments killing us for saying they were right about this

513
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,480
in the offseason. Yeah.

514
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Speaker 3: Sven suggested that Zoo plays in a big, big lineup

515
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,119
with every backup center that has ever been on the

516
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,960
Clippers roster in his tenure in There has never been

517
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,119
a year, there has never been imagination where people are like,

518
00:27:13,319 --> 00:27:15,559
why don't we do this with two dude.

519
00:27:15,599 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: We even saw some Tres Zoom minutes and those were abysmal,

520
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,559
Like those were the funniest. They just ran into each

521
00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:26,279
other trying to grab every rebapd It was very funny.

522
00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:31,799
Speaker 2: So in that Friday night big comeback against Toronto, they

523
00:27:31,839 --> 00:27:35,640
did go plus six Zoo and Brook Lopez, Brook Lopez

524
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,319
and Yonick went minus eleven. That did not work very well.

525
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,519
Speaker 3: But it's also like big lineups sound like they're minus five.

526
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,279
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna put everything into one game or say

527
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:50,960
they can't do whatever again. And I think when they

528
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,640
went back to it against the Wizards, Zoo and Lopez

529
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,440
played like three minutes and they went minus three or

530
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:00,200
something like. That's not that's nothing definitive where I'm gonna say, oh,

531
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,480
this is crazy or this can't work or whatever.

532
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 3: So what did you throw Kobe Brown in the man?

533
00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: I think so.

534
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: I don't think the offensive rating can go that high

535
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or the defensive rating.

536
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Speaker 2: But they did work pretty well together, like they were

537
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:22,200
switching really well. And because Lopez can shoot it from

538
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,079
the outside and is just in a slump, the spacing

539
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,039
isn't miserable with them two out there there. There could

540
00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:29,559
be more use for it down the line.

541
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,759
Speaker 1: But Collins at the point plus three, No, Collins is

542
00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:38,279
at the fives, at the four, Brooks at the three, okay,

543
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,839
and then Nico's at the two and Kawhi runs point

544
00:28:45,279 --> 00:28:48,079
with this group the death lineup. This is our death

545
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:50,000
line that's for who.

546
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Speaker 3: Yeah uh quick.

547
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: Uh quick standings. We are officially at a playing spot

548
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:05,440
at number ten. We have one more win and one

549
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,000
more loss than the Grizzlies. We are one and a

550
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,640
half games up on the MAVs, which we'll see how

551
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,759
they start playing once the All Star break hits and

552
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,799
they make some insane trade they have. Clippers are two

553
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:20,039
and a half games back on the Blazers and five

554
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,519
games back on the eight seed Warriors, who are dealing

555
00:29:25,559 --> 00:29:30,599
with Jimmy Butler being out, and the Kuminga situation continues

556
00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:33,400
to get weirder. Dun't Levey's definitely not on Kominga Island,

557
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,759
and apparently no one else is either because there's no demand.

558
00:29:38,079 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the ovation. I don't buy it,

559
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,279
don't leave it. He's trying to just throw chum in

560
00:29:43,319 --> 00:29:44,720
the waters, like make me an offer.

561
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: Guys, It's so weird just the way he's handling it is,

562
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,279
Like what are you doing, dude?

563
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: What did Kaminga have twenty one and twenty minutes after

564
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,759
not playing for a month, Like, yeah, he can be good.

565
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,640
Someone is going to trade for him?

566
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:04,079
Speaker 3: Will it be the Clippers? Probably not?

567
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:12,119
Speaker 2: If I'm the GM let me tell you if I

568
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,400
got a trade for I don't know. If he has

569
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,599
a brother to bring in Kaminga too, I'm doing whatever

570
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:16,119
it takes.

571
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: Hey, now you're getting into aspiration territory.

572
00:30:18,759 --> 00:30:20,359
Speaker 2: Where does he have a sanasis?

573
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Is there a fanasis Kamingam?

574
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: I don't I like the chances of maybe catch the Warriors.

575
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: Though I like them a lot, I think that's really

576
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,960
in play and it's unfortunate. I like Jimmy Butler. Yeah,

577
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,039
but nobody feels bad for the Clippers when they got

578
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:39,480
guys out. You gotta take advantage of an opportunity in

579
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:43,200
front of you. They don't. Nobody cares.

580
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: I agree. All right, Well here's the grabbing the eighth

581
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:53,799
seed coming up. Clippers are playing the Lakers tomorrow night,

582
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,279
so we're gonna preview that and then talk some trade talk.

583
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If you're listening to us, gonna be a quick ad break.

584
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If you're watching us, we will you'll be here. Clippers

585
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,200
like Rebe coming up in three two one.

586
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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back into Clips and Dip. We just

587
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:12,400
talked the road trip that nearly exceeded expectations a mere

588
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,160
one loss away. But the Clippers are back home, so

589
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,400
give them a big mass welcome back, and then taking

590
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:27,599
on the Lakers in everyone's favorite matchup. This is th

591
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,680
sort of like, you know, the Clippers appear to have

592
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,440
turned things around since what December twentieth or whatever? Is this?

593
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,640
You know? Is this an iron sharp AND's iron situation?

594
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:42,319
Is this the Is this where you're judging where the

595
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:47,000
Clippers are actually at? Depending on how how this game

596
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:51,759
looks win or loss, I suppose I think a little bit.

597
00:31:52,079 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for this matchup because of how the

598
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,200
Clippers have been playing, and I think I will probably

599
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,920
put some more stock into like how I know, obviously

600
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,559
we need every single one we get. I'm not taking

601
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,839
any win for granted here, but it's like, yeah, how

602
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:08,920
can that good run of form? They only have a

603
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,880
day arrest, which sucks after the trip, but like, how can.

604
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:14,839
Speaker 3: This run a form trip that's your arrest for quiet?

605
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:15,920
Very true?

606
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna put more stock into this game probably

607
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:23,839
than I should, because it's it's it's it's exciting to

608
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,160
see how they play against this Lakers team, who is

609
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240
our excuse me capable of playing very.

610
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:33,279
Speaker 3: Well, Adam is this is this the biggest test for

611
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,839
the Clippers, and in this renewed look.

612
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: It's interesting because first of all, obviously it's you know,

613
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,559
it's imperative that if if Qui doesn't play, I don't

614
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,960
know how much we can put into this. As long

615
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,279
as the Clippers, you know, they still win, then we're

616
00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:55,319
putting everything into it. We got all excuses because Lebron

617
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,799
and Luca are playing, Austin Reeves is still out. But

618
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,240
this game was actually a big part of the turning

619
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,559
point for Kawhi and the Clippers. If you look at

620
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,279
the last time they played each other, when the Clippers

621
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:08,920
beat him it into its own one to three to

622
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,119
eighty eight four weeks ago. These two teams kind of

623
00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,960
went in opposite directions after that, the Clippers started rolling

624
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,759
and the Lakers went through a lot of different issues

625
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:21,720
out there. And Kawhi put up twenty four shots in

626
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:24,240
that game, and it was one of the first games

627
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,319
I think when he got off the minister restriction, he

628
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:29,640
played forty two minutes where he really started being aggressive,

629
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:32,000
started more off the bounced threes. He went four to

630
00:33:32,079 --> 00:33:35,599
twelve from the outside. This was a FOURK in the

631
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,880
road type of game for the Clippers, and I wonder

632
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,319
what this next one could produce out of it. Two

633
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,279
teams went in opposite directions after this last game between them.

634
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luca got hurt in that game, right, I was

635
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,799
looking at the stats the only way nineteen minutes, so

636
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:51,880
I remember him.

637
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 2: He got hurt. The Clippers were off though ten early.

638
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,599
This was the game Zoo got hurt too with the ankle.

639
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:02,599
Speaker 1: Injury was out. It was a weird one. They scored

640
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,240
eighty eight points, which was.

641
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: I like that part. Yeah, no Austin Reeves. I was looking.

642
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: Someone posted some just lineup stats between Luca Lebron and

643
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,760
No Reeves. Luca Lebron without Reeves on the court are

644
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:24,280
minus two point sixty six NAR rating, which is interesting.

645
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:28,119
So and both guys are basically one point better when

646
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:30,960
they're just by themselves and four other guys between Luca

647
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,760
and Lebron, so like, you kind of.

648
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 2: Don't know what they've never fully meshed.

649
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's which is odd though too because over the

650
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,880
last five games they have a top four offense, so

651
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:45,360
it's kind of weird.

652
00:34:47,079 --> 00:34:50,159
Speaker 2: Luca has been playing better in January. His shots falling

653
00:34:50,199 --> 00:34:52,519
from the outside. Now he's been shooting about thirty eight

654
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,960
percent from three, but he and reeves the two man

655
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:01,159
lineup there has been very good. But uh, you know,

656
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,159
independent of Luca has been better. Luca, independent of Lebron

657
00:35:04,159 --> 00:35:05,719
has been better out there on the court. Even I

658
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,480
think going back to last year, the numbers bear that out. Uh,

659
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:12,199
they're still dangerous Luca against the Clippers. What are we

660
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,280
talking about here? Uh, this is this is scary. He's

661
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,920
gonna try to get is and try to hit a

662
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,960
bunch of step back threes. We know, we know the

663
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,599
formula and what they try to do.

664
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Dunn played three minutes of matchup time on Luca

665
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,119
back in December. Luca shot six or him, which is

666
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,239
awesome to see. Well, how we kind of talked about

667
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,199
this game as a whole in putting stock into it.

668
00:35:40,559 --> 00:35:42,920
This is a game I feel like it's huge for

669
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,519
Zoo abounds back. A good Zoo performance goes a long

670
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way against the slay.

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Speaker 3: Christy Oh Yeah, no, agreed completely, especially with eight and

672
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:58,199
coming like with eight and in this one, it's a

673
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:01,119
better matchup for Zoo And I don't know, it's interesting

674
00:36:01,199 --> 00:36:03,719
looking at both these teams, because you know, as Adam said,

675
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,480
like the Lakers really fell. I mean I think they

676
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,960
were high as what third in the conference before this

677
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,360
Clipper before this last Clippers matchup, they're now like tied

678
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,400
basically for five and six with the Suns. And well,

679
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,800
their offense has been elite top five in the NBA,

680
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,639
their defenses just outside of the bottom five, whereas the

681
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:26,440
Clippers are kind of hovering around the middle over this

682
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:29,679
like last little stretch. And so what it kind of

683
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:31,760
says to me is like two teams who have been

684
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:37,000
overall kind of average with very different results, and that

685
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,920
can come at you know, different points of the season

686
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,440
or whatever. But I like, if this doesn't light a

687
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,719
fire for Zoo, then maybe you start to worry. You

688
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,599
start to up that death Con level a little bit,

689
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:49,920
because I put this when you were off I put

690
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,480
this also out of deaf Con five. But I said,

691
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:57,079
if Zoo came back from the All Star break looking

692
00:36:57,079 --> 00:36:58,719
the same way, like a little unsure on the court

693
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,400
or something like that, that's when it's little bit more

694
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,199
time to worry, because then I'm starting to worry about

695
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,119
his overall like long term conditioning and sort of those

696
00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,719
cumulative knocks that he's taken throughout the season, but this game, uh,

697
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:13,280
you know, ahead of that is a very is a

698
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:20,000
very good zyndicator, zy indicator of where he's at and

699
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:25,280
you know diometer. This is a matchup like him vers

700
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,000
eight and is one that I'll always remember because one

701
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:34,679
of his his first performances as a Clipper, he fearlessly

702
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,119
contested contested eight not a dunk and got his absolute

703
00:37:38,199 --> 00:37:40,840
head dunked off. But uh, it was like it was

704
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,199
just one of those things, like, man that I love

705
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,599
this guy already, like that, you know, this guy's gonna

706
00:37:45,639 --> 00:37:47,639
go for it. This guy is getting up for this

707
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,320
matchup and he's only had this uniform on for you know,

708
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:53,960
thirty minutes, fifteen minutes.

709
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: And I don't think they like each other very much

710
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,440
because you have the value op yeah, and then you

711
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:02,079
have that like there I which I like. I think

712
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:02,840
when Zu gets.

713
00:38:02,679 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 3: Pissed offal your offense.

714
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:07,519
Speaker 1: No, I hate that. I hate the suns the buns,

715
00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:10,039
which is genuinely one of the funniest things. Dime Dropper

716
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:16,000
calls them the buns and it makes me laugh every time. Uh,

717
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,599
but I don't think Zu likes them, which is cool

718
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:22,280
and I like that, so I'm excited to see hopefully

719
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:23,039
Zoo bounce back.

720
00:38:24,039 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 3: If you're not getting up for divisional play, buddy, Helma,

721
00:38:28,119 --> 00:38:29,639
come on check your pulse.

722
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: I think the eight and matchup as a factor. Going

723
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,920
up against your former employer and the Lakers is always

724
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,639
a factor for bets a Zoo Botch over the years,

725
00:38:38,639 --> 00:38:41,639
he's been very good against them. Yes, and I was

726
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,760
just pulling up the numbers. So Clippers obviously thirteen to

727
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,800
three their last sixteen games. Now after yesterday's loss. Over

728
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,559
that stretch, they got a top five net rating their

729
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:56,000
fifth the Lakers, they're twenty third in net rating. Even

730
00:38:56,039 --> 00:39:00,639
their offensive ratings bad. So the Clippers have been much

731
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:03,639
better over the last month, month and a half than

732
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:07,159
the Lakers by pretty wide margin. Now there's reasons for that.

733
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:08,920
The Lakers have been missing Austin Reeves for a while,

734
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:12,480
Luca was out for some time. But also the Lakers

735
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:17,239
issues on that we knew we're there with just the

736
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,440
imbalanced roster and having too many one one way players

737
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:22,239
get on one at the court bat on the other.

738
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:24,840
The Lakers have real issues. They're going to make some

739
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,320
type of move here soon. So Clippers take advantage of

740
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:29,360
them before that happens.

741
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: Please, Former almost Clipper Lebron James per per ESPN. Yeah,

742
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,559
and I mean we obviously, I we're all kind of

743
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:45,039
leaning towards Kawhi playing given the questionable tag.

744
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 3: So as eight pm on January twenty first, yes, time saving.

745
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:57,519
Speaker 1: And Harden's drives a look a lot more affected. With

746
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,599
Kawhi out there putting those threes up constantly, he'll probably

747
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:02,719
take eight this game.

748
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:05,159
Speaker 2: And with the Lakers defense out there.

749
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: I'm excited. I want col Yeah, I'm I'm hype for

750
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,760
this matchup. The Clippers need to shoot better from three.

751
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,760
We can't be we can't be thirty three percent from

752
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,320
a lot from beyond the arc in this one.

753
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,679
Speaker 2: Honestly, this is my biggest concern because as much as

754
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,159
it was great seeing the thirteen to two run, you

755
00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:28,519
look at the numbers and the Clippers during that time

756
00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:31,320
are shooting thirty nine percent and everyone against them shot

757
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,719
thirty one percent, the worst percentage in the league during

758
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,559
that time. Totally unsustainable. And then you see what happens

759
00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:40,320
against Chicago and you're wondering, is this the correction coming?

760
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,800
It's this the law of averages going back the other

761
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,400
way against the Clippers. I don't know, it might be.

762
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: I know one thing, the Wall is going to be

763
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,320
insane because the Clippers are actually playing better, you know

764
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,480
what I mean, And it's gonna be shout out the Wall.

765
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:56,159
I'm excited to see what they have in store for

766
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:03,119
Luka Dungcicic. All right, now, the most important part player

767
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:03,519
of the game.

768
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 3: Picks.

769
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: We cannot pick. If you're new to the show, we cannot.

770
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:13,239
We are legally not allowed to choose Kawhi Leonard to

771
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,639
eat the Zobots or James Hard. We obviously want them

772
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,440
to play well. We assume they will play well. What

773
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:21,599
about Susan is slump though, all right, we can put

774
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:24,639
you on the table, but Kawhi, James Harden obviously they

775
00:41:24,639 --> 00:41:27,400
need to play well. Everyone else is on the table.

776
00:41:28,639 --> 00:41:30,239
William Updack your pick for players.

777
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:32,519
Speaker 3: I'm going Zoo for the reasons previously mentioned in this

778
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:34,800
up and in this segment.

779
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Good choice, surprising bit of a curve ball. Yeah, Adam,

780
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:49,199
your choice has already been picked.

781
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: You know what, I guess I'll go to the guy

782
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,880
playing next to him in the front court and John Collins.

783
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say, Brook club. I was like, yeah,

784
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:06,039
let's keep this going. Uh No, that's a great choice.

785
00:42:06,039 --> 00:42:10,559
Speaker 2: Why John Collins, Well, I think he's shooting fifty eight percent.

786
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,119
Maybe it's forty eight percent from three his last twenty

787
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,480
three games I think, and sixty percent from two during

788
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,800
that time or from the field. His shooting streak is

789
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,079
not slowed down. And he just looks confident. He just

790
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,760
looks like he's he's prepared for whatever they're thrown at

791
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,480
him every night right now, and where he needs to

792
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:29,639
be on the court and the Clippers offense and his

793
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,159
defense has been so much better since his offense got

794
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:36,199
hundred away. His attention to detail and just the back

795
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,840
line defense and the shot blocking and we're talking about

796
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,800
embatic shot blocks out there from John Collins. So I

797
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,039
love his energy right now.

798
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,159
Speaker 3: All right, John Collins, we got zoo. Damn. That's two starters.

799
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,679
You should probably go with someone off the bench. Again,

800
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:57,320
these are your own limitation. I know, I understand that.

801
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,559
Speaker 1: I want to say Chris Dunne, because it's done. Having

802
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:03,239
a hot three point shooting night would go a long way.

803
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: He goes three for five, it's a big night. They

804
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:07,800
have to do another bubblehead.

805
00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:12,800
Speaker 1: They would have to do another bubblehead. So I think

806
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,320
I'm gonna go. Yeah, I'm gonna go Chris Done. He's

807
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,079
gotta be the whirling dervish that he usually is on

808
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:24,519
the perimeter with his defense, which will be fun. I

809
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,639
think he hates the Lakers too. I have no reference

810
00:43:27,679 --> 00:43:30,960
for that like I did for Zoo, but something tells

811
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,679
me he's not a Lakers.

812
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,199
Speaker 3: He seemed like a man who cares about divisional play.

813
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,679
Speaker 1: Yes, I could not have said it better myself. All right,

814
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,519
coming up, let us know your picks for the game

815
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:47,599
against the Lakers. Coming up, We're gonna talk cam Reddish

816
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,000
he's back, and then the clutch points trade rumors.

817
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: Against the Lakers. There we go, game man.

818
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: That would that would have to be a pretty big

819
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,400
revenge game.

820
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: That changed by to watch.

821
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 1: Ad break and then trade stuff coming up in three two.

822
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,559
Speaker 2: Welcome back in it is Clips and Dip Episode four

823
00:44:09,679 --> 00:44:13,440
twenty okay, Season four, episode twenty. Here I'm at Amslin.

824
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,480
We got Jeff Mockler and Will Updyke, and we got

825
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:21,320
some trade possibilities, some rumors, swirlings. Guttle Butt is on

826
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,159
the horizon and the fact was brought to us by

827
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,360
till Marrizzarli a little bit earlier today from Clutch Points,

828
00:44:27,639 --> 00:44:29,760
we throughout some of the usual names that we've been

829
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,400
talking about, but there's a little more weight to it

830
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,400
when he and Brett Siegel talk about these guys from

831
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,360
clutch Points, Jack, who do you want to start with here?

832
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: I was interested that they're not actively shopping Bogie. That

833
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:50,920
was explicitly stated, and I was a little surprised because

834
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:52,320
the man is not available.

835
00:44:53,679 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 2: That sounds like we're not giving them away for free.

836
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:00,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it is part of that just because it's

837
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,199
an easy way to create sixteen mili in cap space.

838
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,440
I mean, like you're you're essentially handing somebody sixteen mili

839
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,079
in cap space because.

840
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: Basically that could we get, yeah, or like, how does

841
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,880
it work that we could replace him with someone who

842
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,840
can play basketball, who is healthy.

843
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 3: Not to derail this, but I did think another another

844
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:27,320
interesting part of this is, you know, sort of I

845
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:28,840
don't even know if it's an elephant in the room,

846
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,719
but like the Clippers need to clear up two roster

847
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:38,559
spots to convert Miller and Sanders, and like that has

848
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:41,280
to factor into any deal. Like they're obviously they're gonna

849
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,039
have to be sending out more than they're taking back in,

850
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:49,280
because that seems if nothing else happens, that has to happen.

851
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:54,039
So there has to be some sort of consolidation move

852
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:55,719
just to make way for that.

853
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,079
Speaker 2: Who's taking Kobe Brown a CP three is based to

854
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:03,280
do with The article said, that's five million right there combined.

855
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 3: But I'm taking you look at this turnaround for the Clippers.

856
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:14,199
You wonder if you know it happens sooner, maybe they're

857
00:46:14,199 --> 00:46:14,800
not sitting there.

858
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: In five they mentioned that there didn't seem to be

859
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:24,159
a lot of interest in Chris Paul shocking, but yeah.

860
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: He's been on the block for two months, right.

861
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,159
Speaker 1: He was a legend.

862
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 3: He was one of the greatest Clippers ever. But this, yeah,

863
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,079
not even from like the Timberwolves or something. I just

864
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,760
don't think he has the juke, Like no, yeah, no,

865
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,239
you're right.

866
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: I like Conley great, that's that thing too, of like real,

867
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:51,599
oh god, it's a real god. I just think and

868
00:46:51,639 --> 00:46:53,480
I don't think like if he comes back and you

869
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,159
want him to play any any tangible I don't even

870
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,639
want to use the word real, but like tangible minutes right,

871
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,639
Like he's gotta work his way back into shape. He's

872
00:47:02,679 --> 00:47:06,800
been playing Mookie Betts in one on one like he's

873
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,880
not with the team. It's such a and I'm not

874
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,840
like saying this to bad mouth because what else would

875
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,119
you do when you're forty, But it's just from a

876
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:18,559
trade value or from an act, not even it's not

877
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:21,159
even a trade. They're giving him to somebody from an

878
00:47:21,159 --> 00:47:23,960
acquisition standpoint. It's a hard thing to move off of.

879
00:47:24,679 --> 00:47:27,280
Another reason why you should know that the Clippers did

880
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,880
this for good reason, because what a headache from every

881
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,000
possible perspective.

882
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,039
Speaker 2: I'm guessing the reason he hasn't been moved yet is

883
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,000
because they knew towards the trade deadline. More teams are

884
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,639
gonna know what they need, and while they don't necessarily need,

885
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:47,480
he's gonna be packaged with somebody else, like maybe Kobe Brown.

886
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:50,360
Somebody just takes a flyer on him, and it's a

887
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:51,719
two for one type thing.

888
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:58,519
Speaker 1: It's kind of like negative two for one, which we

889
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:00,639
still come out on the Clippers. He'll come out on

890
00:48:00,679 --> 00:48:04,000
top with any transaction because that means, as well said,

891
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:09,960
we're converting Kobe and uh Jordan.

892
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,039
Speaker 2: And one way or another, that's happening. That's not something

893
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:16,440
you guys need to be concerned about Clipper.

894
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 1: They're going to make it seem it's a priority. Clippers

895
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,119
were linked to Kyle Kuzma. Will is this another? Is

896
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:26,519
he and the the Clippers should trade for him? Hall

897
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,079
of Fame with John Collins?

898
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:32,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the biggest thing that I saw in ward, Yeah,

899
00:48:32,679 --> 00:48:35,320
the biggest thing that I mentioned in the article, which

900
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,840
again great reporting, but it seems like there there is

901
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:43,639
uh an enthusiasm on Kuzma side to return to Los Angeles.

902
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:47,480
Great man, who wouldn't want to, Like, you know, it's

903
00:48:47,519 --> 00:48:49,639
not like it's not like he's in a position with

904
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:52,320
that franchise where he can be like where he gets

905
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,159
to dictate the terms of of where he's going. I

906
00:48:55,159 --> 00:48:59,440
mean there to l a Kyle shut up exactly exactly,

907
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,880
like you know, it is just not really panned out,

908
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,880
So I don't I would not even say that there's

909
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:10,079
smoke to this one, like I you know, there if

910
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:13,000
where there's smoke, there's fire, there's there's nothing here. They're

911
00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:17,400
they're sitting in the breeze, clear air, no smoke signals.

912
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 1: Man, they can't even there's no flint, there's no spark,

913
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,760
there's no not even oxygen, I do not.

914
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:28,159
Speaker 3: I like from a theoretical perspective, maybe, but what's Kusma

915
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:34,639
you in at this year? Isn't he thirty mili twenty?

916
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 2: So he has the rare uh de contract de escalating contract.

917
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 1: Les Bridges does too. I was looking at his contract

918
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,679
because people were asking if we would trade John Collins

919
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:47,480
for Miles Bridges.

920
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: No, but he has a de escalating contract too.

921
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,199
Speaker 2: So Kuzma was making twenty two and a half this

922
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,239
year and then twenty million next year, and then.

923
00:49:57,159 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: Okay, I thought he was like when he ate it,

924
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:04,639
so Bogie CP three and Kobe Brown gets it done.

925
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: Maybe, I mean that's the deal. There's no way it

926
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:08,760
would be.

927
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: But I would take that deal to a heartbeat.

928
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:17,119
Speaker 2: That would probably mean also that Milwaukee's already trade the Giannis.

929
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they're.

930
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: Not getting better out of that.

931
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 3: No, They're getting much worse. Yeah, that would have to

932
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:27,760
Like that would have to be the first tip to fall.

933
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,039
They would have to deal at. They would have to

934
00:50:31,079 --> 00:50:34,199
decide to deal at the trade deadline.

935
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,960
Speaker 2: Who I am kind of a Kuzma fan, not to

936
00:50:37,119 --> 00:50:39,800
Joseph I Award extent, but I have been a fan

937
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,239
of his for a while. And think there's a proper

938
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,280
motivation thing with Kyle Kuzma. And he was in a

939
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,400
really bad place in Washington for a while.

940
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's been in a really good place, really good.

941
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,119
I mean, I guess you're right.

942
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,599
Speaker 2: Has been been unstable themselves. Uh, he's always shooting thirty

943
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three percent Santo from three this season, saying that he

944
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,480
shot last year, like the three point shooting getting worse

945
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:06,920
is concerning.

946
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 3: The contract goes down for the.

947
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: Right d I'd be interested, but also where you putting

948
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,840
him if you're keeping John Collins. He's a power forward,

949
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,719
so he's coming off the bench. He plays a lot

950
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:22,119
of power forward small forward. But the contract does make songs.

951
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,360
He's Kuzma's off the books next season too.

952
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: Zoo Jannis, Zoo and Collins for Jannis and Kuzma. Plus

953
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:37,480
plus filler plus filler is my favorite part of trade

954
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,079
season because people just say it. You're like, of course,

955
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,199
of course, you just put the filler in there, Yes,

956
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:47,360
of course, grab that dirt and fill the bag. That's

957
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:47,920
the filler.

958
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,199
Speaker 2: They don't want to name names and offend anyone. They

959
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,480
just call him all filler, right, Uncle Piller.

960
00:51:54,559 --> 00:52:00,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, other players the Clippers have been linked to are.

961
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:02,400
I think we've talked about all these guys, Colin Sexton,

962
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:06,639
Anthony Simons, Kobe White. They're in need of another ball

963
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:10,239
handler and playmaker who could spell James and Kawhi. I'll

964
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,639
tell you what Colin Sexton for what I think the

965
00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:16,559
price would be. I think training for Anthony Simons is

966
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:21,679
a zoo trade. I think we could get Sexton without

967
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:22,239
giving up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what else? Like, what else do you have that

969
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:31,280
like really moves the needle for Boston, Like with is

970
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:39,519
Collins intriguing enough? Wigs like they though? Yeah? No, I

971
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:41,840
mean that's the most like that's the most appealing asset

972
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:42,840
from the Celtic.

973
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:49,119
Speaker 2: And Colin Sexton. I was hoping they were going to

974
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:51,480
get him last year, talked a lot about it. Now

975
00:52:51,519 --> 00:52:55,280
he's in a contract year. It's an expiring nineteen million

976
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:00,400
dollars that he's a restrictor free agent. They're not going

977
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,079
to be able to get a ton for him because

978
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:06,519
he's expiring in Charlotte, right, was that?

979
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,039
Speaker 1: What's their record Charlotte?

980
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: They got like nineteen wins.

981
00:53:11,079 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: So they're not in full fuck it mode.

982
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: No, I think they do want to, Like actually, Kobie Brown, yeah,

983
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,159
I I don't think it would take a ton And

984
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:30,760
then that's another guy like John Collins I'd like to retain.

985
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,400
And by the way, they played next to each other

986
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:37,320
in Utah. Yeah. Yeah, you get both of them on

987
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:40,639
short term contracts after this season when they're understracted free agent.

988
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,000
That's that's not a bad deal.

989
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 3: How bad.

990
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: Numbers you got. They gotta figure the filler out and

991
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,920
then I think they'll make the call. And then the

992
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,199
biggest signing, the only one of these people who actually

993
00:53:56,280 --> 00:54:00,000
is an official LA Clipper. A lot of Cam Reddish

994
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:05,360
fans out there after the news today, which, Hey, happy

995
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,480
to have you join the Clippers bandwagon. We need as

996
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:11,159
many fans as we can get. Well, Scan, what's your

997
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:13,480
defcon level for the rest of the league now that

998
00:54:13,559 --> 00:54:16,480
Cam Reddish is in the Clippers system?

999
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:24,199
Speaker 3: Here league, fuck it's over. Also, the San Diego Clippers,

1000
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:27,000
I've given up how many first round picks now, I

1001
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:33,079
don't know a lot. I don't know. Hey, they're trying

1002
00:54:33,079 --> 00:54:35,400
to be like the big guys. They're trying to do

1003
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,400
Clippers moves. I've learned it from watching you.

1004
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,599
Speaker 1: Cam Reddish is bad at shooting the basketball, and I

1005
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,000
do not think he will play any meaningful minutes for

1006
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:48,000
the LA Clippers.

1007
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, Hackle on that unless Adam you kind of posed,

1008
00:54:55,679 --> 00:54:56,320
what do you got?

1009
00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 2: What do you this is the This is a low

1010
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:04,760
percentage chance. But if there was some selloff, then all

1011
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,719
of a sudden he'd be playing. Yes, I don't anticipated,

1012
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:10,920
I'm just saying it would. It's not the worst thing

1013
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,119
in the world to have him waiting in the G League.

1014
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,159
Speaker 1: I think that is that is factually correct. It is

1015
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,079
not the worst thing in the world that he is one.

1016
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 2: Here's what's crazy about camp. He's played in two hundred

1017
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,280
and fifty NBA games. He has started one hundred and sixteen.

1018
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:38,440
He has real and experience, given he was the top

1019
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,320
guy coming out of college. Unfortunately, the three point shooting

1020
00:55:42,639 --> 00:55:45,400
has never been there close to consistent. He's thirty two

1021
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,719
percent three point shooter. His defense is good, he's a

1022
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,119
good athlete. He's still only twenty six. But the three

1023
00:55:52,119 --> 00:55:55,239
point shooting, it's just it's been a real issue. The

1024
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,039
Lakers gave him a ton of opportunities try to make

1025
00:55:58,079 --> 00:56:00,400
something out of him with the Darbenham I mean he

1026
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:05,559
started a lot, so it didn't work out.

1027
00:56:06,639 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, just not his stats are Lithuania aren't even that good.

1028
00:56:09,519 --> 00:56:10,760
We were looking those up.

1029
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,039
Speaker 2: I think how many games he started in the NBA

1030
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:17,679
is what has people like, WHOA, this is a good get,

1031
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,400
Like I saw him a ton for the Lakers. It's like, yeah,

1032
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,400
but they were really.

1033
00:56:24,039 --> 00:56:28,639
Speaker 1: In those brilliant the brilliant ham era of the Los

1034
00:56:28,679 --> 00:56:30,960
Angeles Lakers ham kits.

1035
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: Sometimes I think it's like almost like a Gene Parmesan

1036
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:38,239
effect where people who like don't follow the league super

1037
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,360
closely are just like, oh, I've heard that name before.

1038
00:56:42,599 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I want him to be good, right

1039
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:45,000
if he's.

1040
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 3: Like sure, but what are we talking about? Man?

1041
00:56:48,119 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: Yeh?

1042
00:56:49,559 --> 00:56:54,199
Speaker 3: Get like we're done. That actually is a great spot

1043
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:54,480
to end.

1044
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a happy hour hang on Friday at

1045
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,280
five thirty pm. Adam will have you covered for pre

1046
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,559
and post game for the Lakers game. They have a

1047
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:06,320
game against the Nets this weekend that we're going to

1048
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,880
talk about during that. I'm gonna do a full ep

1049
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,880
on Monday, Will Where can these people tell us that

1050
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,639
all our takes are wrong about it eats the sabots?

1051
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:19,199
Speaker 3: Where have people been doing that? Yeah, if you want

1052
00:57:19,239 --> 00:57:20,960
to tell us all it takes are wrong. You can

1053
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:25,519
yell at the wall. If you have something constructive to contribute,

1054
00:57:25,679 --> 00:57:28,800
you can do that over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

1055
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,360
You can, of course comment on every single video that's

1056
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:35,519
over at YouTube dot com at Clippers podcast. That's the

1057
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:38,079
best way to watch this show. Subscribe over there, hit

1058
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:39,960
the little bell for notifications so you know when we're

1059
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,719
doing stuff like the aforementioned lives. But however you listen,

1060
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:45,559
whoever you watch, you know we appreciate you.

1061
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,239
Speaker 1: We very much do. Shout out to everyone who watches

1062
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,360
this on a TV. I think that's I appreciate.

1063
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: That a lot. Extra points if you have like the

1064
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:57,719
nineties drug dealer, super thick TV with the speaker and

1065
00:57:57,800 --> 00:57:59,960
the base and perhaps a fish tank on top.

1066
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:01,519
Speaker 1: And let me know how much you're willing to let

1067
00:58:01,519 --> 00:58:02,280
that bad way.

1068
00:58:02,159 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 2: Go for They have played duck hunt again.

1069
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, gosh, holdly my terms, Adam. One positive thing heading

1070
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:15,440
into the Lakers game. We need it, man, We've been

1071
00:58:15,559 --> 00:58:17,000
so negative this spisode.

1072
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: As I mentioned earlier, to the people who were freaking

1073
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,760
out about them losing in Chicago, Remember they had a

1074
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:30,000
blip against Boston. They responded afterwards. They won the next

1075
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,559
game against the Golden State Warriors without James Harden. They

1076
00:58:33,719 --> 00:58:37,000
lost a game to New York in New York, a

1077
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:40,159
tough game. They responded one sixth straight. This team has

1078
00:58:40,159 --> 00:58:43,320
had losses along the way during this thirteen to three

1079
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,079
stretch where they have jumped right back into the win

1080
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,880
win win calm. So, I know, people are you know,

1081
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,920
they've been winning so much, they've they've become a victim

1082
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,199
up their own success. Yeah, so they lose any game

1083
00:58:57,239 --> 00:58:59,199
and people start to freak out. Oh no, here we go,

1084
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,559
They're gonna get back to the six and twenty one team. No,

1085
00:59:01,679 --> 00:59:04,280
They've already had some losses here and there, and they

1086
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,559
responded immediately afterwards. So I'm hoping for the same thing

1087
00:59:07,559 --> 00:59:09,920
against the Lakers, who have not been playing great basketball.

1088
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:12,840
So the Clippers, you know, as well as they have

1089
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,039
Kawhi Leonard, hopefully they should be in good shape.

1090
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 3: There we go.

1091
00:59:16,039 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: And I like what Will said too about how like

1092
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,039
the defense has been so low for the Lakers, but

1093
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:23,000
the offense has been so high over the last five games,

1094
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,880
whereas the Clippers are kind of like they're both in

1095
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:29,719
the middle play wise. So yeah, here's the Quhi playing.

1096
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Thank you for hanging out hope everyone has a great

1097
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:36,119
middle of their week and as always, let's go clips.