WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.640 The following program is produced by the tech Talk Radio Network. Everybody, 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:06.200 I'm John Saint John, the voice of Duke Kukam and 3 00:00:06.200 --> 00:00:08.279 Big the Cat and a whole bunch of other crazy 4 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:09.880 characters from video games. 5 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:11.519 And you're listening to tech Talk Radio. 6 00:00:12.439 --> 00:00:13.039 I know I do. 7 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:18.160 Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. I'm Ady Taylor, I'm. 8 00:00:18.000 --> 00:00:20.160 Seanda Weird, I'm Matt Jones. 9 00:00:19.960 --> 00:00:22.120 And I'm Justin Lemey. Welcome once again. 10 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:25.160 Man, I have been looking so forward to this show 11 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:29.160 because I'm a big I like documentaries, and I have 12 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:32.560 been waiting for two documentaries, one of them Getting Lost, 13 00:00:32.840 --> 00:00:35.200 the story about the making of Lost, which I know 14 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:38.920 Matt you got into earlier this year. We talked about 15 00:00:38.920 --> 00:00:41.240 that on last week's show. And then the other one, 16 00:00:41.240 --> 00:00:45.719 of course, is Going Postal, The Legacy four told. It's 17 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:49.200 the story of the controversy video game Postal and the 18 00:00:49.280 --> 00:00:52.920 legacy left behind. And it's so cool because it is 19 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:56.759 now available on Amazon rental or you can own it. 20 00:00:56.759 --> 00:00:59.399 It's available on Blu Ray. And we have the two 21 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:04.879 filmmakers that put this all together, Ted Salise and Jason Sikorski. Guys, 22 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:05.959 thanks for coming on the show. 23 00:01:06.040 --> 00:01:08.000 Thank you for having us. It's awesome to be here. 24 00:01:08.079 --> 00:01:09.959 Yeah, thank you guys. It's a pleasure. A big fan 25 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.680 of the show. It's cool come in full circle here. 26 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:15.599 We had heard about you guys talking about the documentary 27 00:01:15.719 --> 00:01:18.640 a couple of months back. Yep, we were We had 28 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:20.319 both internally sent it to each other and we were like, 29 00:01:20.359 --> 00:01:22.319 oh my gosh, this is exciting. People are excited about 30 00:01:22.319 --> 00:01:24.519 the film. So really cool that we can bring a 31 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:25.120 full circle here. 32 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:27.319 You guys, well, it's it's really kind of neat because 33 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.560 the game and this this documentary now it's such a 34 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:34.400 Tucson kind of bred thing. You guys both went to 35 00:01:34.480 --> 00:01:37.439 the University of Arizona. The roots of the company Running 36 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:40.120 with Scissors were into some What made you guys decide 37 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:43.000 or get involved in this documentary. 38 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:43.599 Jason, I let you take that one. 39 00:01:43.840 --> 00:01:47.319 Yeah, yeah, I mean me and Tad had met on 40 00:01:47.719 --> 00:01:50.040 the campus at U of A doing some kind of 41 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:53.840 random type of event giving away clinique bottles to sorority girls. 42 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.719 Had nothing to do with film school or anything that 43 00:01:56.840 --> 00:01:59.040 you know, we were seeking to do in our in 44 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:00.159 our young career. 45 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:01.560 I know what to do. 46 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:04.519 Yeah, yeah, it gave us an inn. It was a 47 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:05.640 nice it didn't work out. 48 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:06.599 It didn't work out. 49 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:10.599 But the icebreaker though, was to Tad I guess because 50 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:11.599 we became best. 51 00:02:11.360 --> 00:02:12.240 Friends after that. 52 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:14.879 We were burning in the hot sun giving out clinic bottles, 53 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:16.759 ended up just hitting it off. We both went to 54 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:19.479 film school around the same time and never met each other. 55 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:21.960 Fast forward a couple of years, we ended up living together. 56 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:26.479 We're talking about putting together a YouTube series and I had, 57 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:29.639 you know, sidebarred with a friend of mine. This someone 58 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.599 I was seeing at the time, and she had mentioned 59 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.800 that she knew someone that developed video games. 60 00:02:34.840 --> 00:02:36.680 And I was saying, oh, yeah, we want to make this. 61 00:02:37.360 --> 00:02:41.039 YouTube series or some sort of mini documentary about video 62 00:02:41.120 --> 00:02:41.840 game development. 63 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:43.360 And she's like, oh, yeah, I know this guy named 64 00:02:43.360 --> 00:02:45.759 Mike Jay with Running with Scissors. I was like, Oh, 65 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.280 that's cool. Look what games did they do. It's like, oh, 66 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:52.479 Postal Postal. I saw that movie as a kid. I 67 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:55.159 remember that movie and I remember that game. And I 68 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:57.280 was like, there's no way these guys live in Tucson. 69 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.560 And she's like no, I'm like really good friends with 70 00:02:59.639 --> 00:03:02.560 him and you should meet him. And sure enough, we're 71 00:03:02.680 --> 00:03:04.599 sitting in front of Mike Jay with a bull of 72 00:03:04.680 --> 00:03:08.080 Ramen and talking about the history of postal and about 73 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:10.639 an hour in we're just like, man, you know, I 74 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.520 remember thinking to myself, this needs to be a feature documentary, 75 00:03:13.560 --> 00:03:16.840 and you know, I know, tad after we had met 76 00:03:16.840 --> 00:03:19.120 with Mike Ja, we kind of just decided to pick 77 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:21.840 up cameras and just basically follow them for the next 78 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:22.639 five years. 79 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:25.479 Well, doing a documentary that's got to be a lot 80 00:03:25.479 --> 00:03:27.639 of fun, but it's got to be a lot of work, 81 00:03:27.680 --> 00:03:31.319 because in your head, are you editing it while you're 82 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:33.599 shooting this stuff, going okay, this will be here, this 83 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:35.479 will be there. I mean, how do you put this 84 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.000 all together? Do you edit at the end of the day? 85 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:39.120 When do you do this? 86 00:03:39.439 --> 00:03:41.960 Yeah, that's a great question. No, we didn't edit in 87 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:44.919 our head. We were thinking, hey, let's gather as much 88 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:47.080 content as we can over the course of five years, 89 00:03:47.560 --> 00:03:49.520 and then about three years in we're like, okay, we 90 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:52.840 should probably start the process. And that's when we realized, okay, 91 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.680 we didn't do enough pre production here to really plan 92 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:58.080 out how we're going to edit this, and that in 93 00:03:58.120 --> 00:04:01.439 turn had us really kind of of reconcile with like, Okay, 94 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.120 we need to go back, we need to do more interviews. 95 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.840 We need to do some additional parts of the film. 96 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.000 This is missing. So it was really a growing process 97 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:09.719 over the course of five years, but it was a 98 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:11.599 lot of fun. I mean, we made best friends with 99 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:14.599 Mike and Vince, who are the craziest game developers you'll 100 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:16.839 ever meet. That makes a really great documentary just because 101 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.199 there are these two underdogs in the industry that have 102 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:22.360 had a lot of trials and tribulations over the course 103 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.399 of twenty five years. And we had just started when 104 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.279 Postal four was really being developed, So we were kind 105 00:04:27.279 --> 00:04:28.920 of planning like, oh, Postal four is going to come out, 106 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:30.800 it's going to be this grand success, and we're going 107 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.079 to have like a full circle moment where Postal four 108 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:37.879 is finally like their triumph, right, And then twenty twenty 109 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:39.879 two comes out and it's the worst game of twenty 110 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:42.040 twenty two by Metacritic. But it actually ended up working 111 00:04:42.079 --> 00:04:44.519 out because it's really this two story of these two 112 00:04:44.560 --> 00:04:47.279 underdogs that really tell the tale. It's not just a 113 00:04:47.319 --> 00:04:49.839 story of Postal but a story of these two guys 114 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:53.000 who overcome a lot of odds, which they probably shouldn't. 115 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:55.839 I just appreciate that you're touching on that point right there, 116 00:04:55.839 --> 00:04:58.879 because I mean, there are a lot of documentaries about 117 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.279 video games and and what makes Postal and Running with 118 00:05:02.319 --> 00:05:05.959 Scissors special is all of the controversy that they went through. 119 00:05:05.959 --> 00:05:09.399 We're not talking about just local or even semi regional. 120 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:13.160 They went all the way to the US Congress. I mean, 121 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.519 this was a game that was looked at by senators 122 00:05:17.720 --> 00:05:20.360 and House of Representatives and even the President of the 123 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:24.959 United States saying this should not be allowed, and you know, 124 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:27.600 going back on the freedom of speech, you know, into 125 00:05:27.639 --> 00:05:30.680 that aspect of this. So there are a lot of 126 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:32.680 people out there that say they look at this game 127 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:35.519 and say, why would you ever want to play this? 128 00:05:35.680 --> 00:05:37.079 Or why would you ever want to even be a 129 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.920 part of this? And it's not necessarily about the content 130 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:41.800 of the game, But like you said, it's about these 131 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:45.759 two guys who just wanted to do something different. And 132 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.399 that's what I appreciate about them and I appreciate about 133 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:48.839 you guys. 134 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:50.240 Yeah, most certainly. 135 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:52.959 And that was half the fun creating this documentary, was 136 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.519 just kind of uncovering all these details and putting it 137 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:58.240 together in a narrative. We were just mind blown from 138 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.600 everything that Vince and Mike j told it felt like 139 00:06:00.600 --> 00:06:03.319 a fairy tale. And then we get the archival footage 140 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:07.279 and you know, the old magazines and the old photos, 141 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:09.759 and it starts coming to life right before you as 142 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.279 you're editing, and you're like, wow, this is this is real, 143 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:14.600 and we want to tell this story to people and 144 00:06:14.600 --> 00:06:16.639 hopefully they get the reaction that we did when Mike 145 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:19.120 j first told us the story and saying, wow, this 146 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:20.079 is crazy. 147 00:06:19.879 --> 00:06:22.800 When you talk about the story, because I remember when 148 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:25.120 I was younger and this was going through and it 149 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.000 was you know, national news, but you only got the 150 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.680 story through the headlines or the clips from the c 151 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:34.800 SPAN recordings. You only got like these little bits and 152 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:35.399 pieces of. 153 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:36.000 What's going on. 154 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.480 So to get an actual, like full accounting of everything 155 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.360 that went on, all the background information, all the trials, tribulations, 156 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:47.680 the hills they had to climb with that that's really 157 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.720 something special because this was this was a part of 158 00:06:51.319 --> 00:06:55.519 the pop culture like phenomenon of video games. It is 159 00:06:56.000 --> 00:06:59.720 if you watch documentaries, not specifically about Postal, but like 160 00:06:59.720 --> 00:07:03.439 about the evolution of video games, almost inevitably Postal is 161 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:05.480 going to have its own little part and get mentioned 162 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.600 where they're like and then there was a little game 163 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.439 called postal and then it'll cut to something like a 164 00:07:11.519 --> 00:07:16.319 congressional hearing. But giving it its own time is like that, 165 00:07:16.319 --> 00:07:17.879 that honestly is something really special. 166 00:07:17.959 --> 00:07:18.560 Yeah, thank you. 167 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:18.879 Yeah. 168 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:20.800 And we really wanted to give Mike Convince you know, 169 00:07:20.879 --> 00:07:23.399 their voice in the film too, because so much of 170 00:07:23.399 --> 00:07:24.879 what they said in the news back then in the 171 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.199 nineties and the late nineties and the early two thousands 172 00:07:27.279 --> 00:07:30.839 was they owned that controversy, and they owned it because 173 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.399 it helped them to get more popular. But it also 174 00:07:33.480 --> 00:07:35.560 kind of backfired because, you know, Grand the Thatto came 175 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:38.360 out at the same time, and they really didn't publicly 176 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.600 start talking about all that controversy. They didn't really approve 177 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:43.759 of it. You know, Vince is saying, if you don't 178 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:46.680 like my game, don't play it. Grand the Thatto really 179 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:49.399 not doing that. So Grand the thoughto went up to 180 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.199 become the trajectory where it is today. Postals still around, 181 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.439 but it's it's nowhere, you're near that. So we felt 182 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:56.000 like it was important for them to have a voice 183 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:58.800 and to have people make their own opinions when they 184 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:00.800 when they see the film and hear from them. 185 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.639 You put this together, I have to ask the technical 186 00:08:03.680 --> 00:08:05.639 side and I know Sean has been chopping into the 187 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:07.560 bit of this one too, like, what did you guys 188 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:09.439 shoot it on? I mean, we we like that kind 189 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:14.279 of stuff too, steal my questions, Andy, I knew. 190 00:08:14.040 --> 00:08:17.000 It, Jason, is it okay? If I if I take 191 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:17.319 that one? 192 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:18.399 Oh yeah, go for it. 193 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.879 Early on, we started shooting this on smaller cinema cameras, 194 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:24.720 like the Canon C one hundred, and we were using 195 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:28.319 for like b camera step like early mirrorless cameras, Sony 196 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:32.240 A seven three, the Canon five D Mark three, Canon 197 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:35.600 five D Mark four. So that's where we originally started. 198 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:37.919 And you'll notice as you progress throughout the film that 199 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:39.720 the quality starts to kind of get better and better 200 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:41.759 because we were really learning and we were getting more 201 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:44.759 investments into the film as we went along, and we 202 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:46.919 ended up shooting on red. We ended up shooting on 203 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.960 better cinema cameras, the C two hundred, C three hundred 204 00:08:50.000 --> 00:08:54.200 mark two. But in twenty twenty, COVID happened and we 205 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:56.080 were like, we can't travel to the rest of the 206 00:08:56.080 --> 00:08:58.159 world to do all these interviews. You know, we interview 207 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:01.399 Uber Bowl, we interview Fredrick, We interviewed a ton of 208 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.600 people throughout the world in the industry. That really deterred 209 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.399 us from traveling, and so we had to figure out 210 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:09.720 how to hire out all these camera operators throughout the world. 211 00:09:10.000 --> 00:09:11.480 Kind of opened my eyes to a new way of 212 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:14.080 filmmaking that you don't have to be on site as 213 00:09:14.080 --> 00:09:16.360 long as you have reliable people that are working with you. 214 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:20.919 So coming up with, you know, the logistics of you know, 215 00:09:20.960 --> 00:09:24.159 different frame rates in different countries, how do we coordinate 216 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:27.320 that based on time zone, It was a challenge, but 217 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.080 making sure everything was at least cohesive enough we were 218 00:09:30.080 --> 00:09:32.159 really still trying to figure out as we went along too, 219 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:36.320 So big props to our colorist Nick Nasseif, who really 220 00:09:36.559 --> 00:09:40.720 helped us to make everything look like it was cohesive 221 00:09:40.879 --> 00:09:42.480 throughout the film because we did shoot on a bunch 222 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.919 of different cameras, Black Magics, Aris, Canon Cinema line, so 223 00:09:47.679 --> 00:09:49.960 kind of the full gamut. And that's one thing that 224 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:51.480 I think the next project we're going to go into 225 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.600 is we really want to start to just really have 226 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.720 a solid idea at least camera wise. But really we 227 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.519 were trying to adhere to the challenges of COVID and 228 00:10:02.559 --> 00:10:04.720 trying to do our best as filmmakers because we had 229 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:07.960 donors that donated to the film, and we originally wanted 230 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.679 to hit a twenty twenty two release. That got delayed 231 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:14.279 quite a few times. But here we are today and 232 00:10:14.360 --> 00:10:17.480 thankfully we've had great, great response from the audiences who've 233 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:18.960 seen the film that they really enjoy it. 234 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:21.480 The end of the credits, at the end, there is 235 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.840 a large thank you screen. Was it crowdfunded as well? 236 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:25.200 Yeah? 237 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:29.879 Yeah, early on we had crowdfunded through Indiegogo, so it 238 00:10:29.960 --> 00:10:33.600 was a successful campaign. A lot of Postal fans jumped 239 00:10:33.639 --> 00:10:35.399 on it. Thank you to all the Postal fans. Are 240 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:38.399 so patient obviously starting out and when did we put 241 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.120 up the campaign twenty twenty. 242 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:42.519 Twenty one for a twenty twenty two release. 243 00:10:42.840 --> 00:10:45.919 There we go, and you know, fast forward four years later, 244 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:48.840 here we are. But yeah, we're trying to release it 245 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:51.519 like right around the corner from when we raise those funds. 246 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:53.000 So ambitious. 247 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:56.120 Has Vince been i mean, he's featured in it. You 248 00:10:56.679 --> 00:10:59.120 definitely talked to him. Has he been promoting it as well? 249 00:10:59.200 --> 00:11:00.440 Yeah, I mean he's he's been. 250 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:03.240 Uh, he's been great, just getting the word out, asking 251 00:11:03.240 --> 00:11:06.559 people to buy it, rent it, helping on the back ends. 252 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:09.960 He helped with a lot of conversations and introducing us 253 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:12.320 to the right people that can help us get you know, 254 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:14.559 get the word out I mean, Running with Scissors as 255 00:11:14.600 --> 00:11:17.360 a whole have been very supportive of the film. They've 256 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:21.360 been very very supportive, uh in just seeing the you know, 257 00:11:21.919 --> 00:11:24.080 this movie getting out to the fans as much as 258 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.360 possible and trying to see to the success of it. 259 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:29.000 So that's that's been nice. I mean, vin Vincent, Mike, Jay, 260 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:30.919 We we you know, a lot to them. 261 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.480 During during the time that you were guys were filming 262 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:36.480 all of this, and what was the funniest thing that 263 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.080 you that you came across, that you learned during this 264 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:41.320 and what was the one thing that you were just like, wow, 265 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:44.120 I had I had no idea like that that this 266 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:46.360 occurred or that this could happen. 267 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:48.720 Vince has some crazy stories throughout the years that we 268 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:51.279 had to we had to cut out throughout the filming. 269 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:53.679 One thing that Mike, Mike and Vince said was just 270 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.240 don't edit what we say. So we just had to 271 00:11:56.279 --> 00:11:58.120 cut it out because like a lot of it is 272 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.240 very raunchy, very r rated, and a lot of it 273 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:03.240 we just couldn't figure out how to make it into 274 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:04.720 the film. You know, when you're left with twenty five 275 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:06.320 years of history and you try to condense it to 276 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:08.960 twenty two hours, there's a lot that we had to cut. 277 00:12:09.200 --> 00:12:11.320 The rough cut was actually three hours long when we 278 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:14.120 did the rough cut screening, and we just walked away 279 00:12:14.120 --> 00:12:15.639 from that being like, oh my gosh, we have to 280 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.879 cut a ton of stuff. So in those moments, there's 281 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.080 a lot of really crude, really outlandish things that we 282 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:23.919 just couldn't include into the film. But it's not because 283 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:26.159 they're trying to be crude. That's just how these guys 284 00:12:26.240 --> 00:12:29.159 are naturally. I mean, they're very honest and outspoken, and 285 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.039 that's what makes them stand out in the industry. Specific stories, 286 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:33.519 you know, I'll have to come back, but you know, 287 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.039 I know Gary Coleman specifically, you know when they picked 288 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:38.000 him up. They've had some They had some crazy, wild 289 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.759 stories with Gary Coleman, like partying when we traveled the 290 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:44.120 Packs East with Mike Convince. We had a great time, 291 00:12:44.399 --> 00:12:48.759 you know, off camera, we partied hard with them. And 292 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:50.799 Brock Wilber, who's in the film, who's kind of one 293 00:12:50.840 --> 00:12:53.639 of the journalists. He's had some crazy stories about Mike 294 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.120 Convinced too. Just you know the party side of them, 295 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.320 and it's all good. You know, they like to have 296 00:12:58.360 --> 00:12:59.799 fun because they work hard. 297 00:13:00.360 --> 00:13:02.200 I mean, if it wasn't for those guys, we would 298 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:03.000 never have this game. 299 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:05.879 So let me ask you guys this, if you got 300 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:11.159 to pick the next game or series for your next documentary, 301 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.639 just absolutely green lit, didn't have to fight anyone for it. 302 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:16.960 What would it be? Oh good question. 303 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.360 Our goal, our idea dream here is Duke nukeam and 304 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:27.279 that Yeah, so fingers crossed. There's a lot happening in 305 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:29.360 the Duke Nukeomb universe. Me and Jason were actually just 306 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:32.440 chatting about this like an hour ago. A lot happening. 307 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.639 They just got green lit for a Netflix series. I 308 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:37.440 know that they're making a feature film, but I think 309 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:40.679 it's been in some development hell for a couple of 310 00:13:40.720 --> 00:13:43.080 years with John Cena attached. So I don't know if 311 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.360 either of those are still happening, but it gives us 312 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:48.360 faith that people have an interest in it. We have 313 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:51.840 a good relationship with John Saint John. We're actually gonna 314 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:55.639 approach him pretty soon. So John, if you're seeing this, hey, 315 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:57.519 we'd like to do the Duke nukemb documentary with you. 316 00:13:57.639 --> 00:13:59.759 If you don't hear from us in the next couple 317 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:00.000 of days. 318 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:01.840 John was great. Do we we had him on the 319 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.840 show when he started doing the cruise. He was doing 320 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.080 these cruises, which was was great. I think it was 321 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:10.080 before had to be before the pandemic and it was 322 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:12.960 like phenomenal. People would take the cruise just to be 323 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:14.879 able to meet him. I mean, that's how big his 324 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:17.399 following is. You know, it's cool because we know some 325 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.039 of the voice people that are behind this. Rick Hunter, 326 00:14:20.440 --> 00:14:22.919 who is you know, works over at Iheart's a great guy, 327 00:14:23.000 --> 00:14:26.639 Corey Kruz. I worked with him here in Tucson when 328 00:14:26.679 --> 00:14:29.360 I was at Lotus, and of course you know, you 329 00:14:29.399 --> 00:14:32.240 know John, but you were able to get them involved 330 00:14:32.240 --> 00:14:34.159 in it. And I asked Rick about him and I 331 00:14:34.200 --> 00:14:35.960 mentioned this last week if he's in the dock and 332 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:38.399 he said yeah, and he had an eighteen hundreds mustache 333 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:38.879 and he thought. 334 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:39.840 He looked like an idiot. 335 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:43.200 But it had to be cool to talk because these 336 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.639 are the people that give the character in the game 337 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:49.720 the life. I mean, yeah, he's moving around, but that 338 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.600 voice is what a lot of people just hang on to. 339 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:54.480 And you had a chance to pick the voices and 340 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:55.600 postal four. 341 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:56.279 Yeah, no, I mean it. 342 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:00.600 It was awesome hunting down the voice actors and and 343 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:02.840 interviewing them and speaking with him. And when I say 344 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:05.840 hunt down, we literally had to find Rick Hunter. 345 00:15:06.240 --> 00:15:08.799 He was very elusive and he wanted nothing to do 346 00:15:08.879 --> 00:15:09.320 with us. 347 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.080 And you know, thanks to a gentleman by the name 348 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.720 of Jake Parr, he was able to put us in 349 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:18.039 touch with Rick Hunter, which is hilarious because we were 350 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.879 living in Tucson at the time and this gentleman from 351 00:15:21.879 --> 00:15:24.440 the UK had to put us in touch with Rick, 352 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:25.559 who literally, at that. 353 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:27.600 Point, I think was like two miles down the street 354 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:27.960 from us. 355 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.960 We finally drove over after convincing him that we were 356 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:34.919 the real deal and we're trying to put something real together, 357 00:15:34.960 --> 00:15:37.039 and he was great after that. 358 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.399 But it took like a few months to get him involved. 359 00:15:40.480 --> 00:15:42.519 Did you see the movie would have came out of him? 360 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:44.720 You got this game that Postal one Postal two that 361 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.879 created this big legacy and then they do this movie, 362 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:50.799 Uie Bowl does this and you had a pretty good cast. 363 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:51.519 Did you see it? 364 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:52.879 I saw in middle school. 365 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:55.559 I think Tad saw it growing up as well, but 366 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:58.320 I was a huge I guess uva Bowl fan slash 367 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.519 hater growing up as a kid, you know, you're in 368 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:02.960 fifth grade, sixth grade, and you know, you think you 369 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.480 know everything about cinema and you watch his films and 370 00:16:05.519 --> 00:16:07.600 you're like, oh, I can do better than that. I 371 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:10.200 used to go on the IMDb board chats and just 372 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:12.799 like talk smack all day and be one of those kids. 373 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:15.960 But it was fun. I mean I to this day though, 374 00:16:16.000 --> 00:16:18.440 I look back and those are fond memories. When you 375 00:16:18.519 --> 00:16:22.120 kind of like hate watch something, it was an enjoyable experience. 376 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:25.519 The new generation does not understand how they're living in, 377 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:30.279 like the golden age of video game inspired movies. Like 378 00:16:30.360 --> 00:16:33.440 they they do not know like the o A bull 379 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.360 sagas that we had to get through of like I'm 380 00:16:36.360 --> 00:16:38.879 gonna make a far Cry movie and we're like, oh, 381 00:16:39.200 --> 00:16:42.559 how about you, don't let's do anything but that. And 382 00:16:42.559 --> 00:16:45.600 not only did was one Blood Rain movie made, which 383 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:46.519 was one too many. 384 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:47.200 Based on that. 385 00:16:47.200 --> 00:16:50.639 One, there were two more, there were three of them, 386 00:16:50.720 --> 00:16:54.039 and they were Oh, there's there's movies you can hate watch, 387 00:16:54.440 --> 00:16:56.399 and then there's ones where you just finished and you're like, 388 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:59.240 that's time in my life. I'm never getting back that 389 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.200 on forever. Yeah, So these new kids like they don't 390 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:05.720 understand that we had to go through movies like like this, 391 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:07.559 like to get where we are now. 392 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.319 Arguably, Postal was the best movie in his catalog. 393 00:17:10.839 --> 00:17:13.400 Of his catalog it it is the best one. I 394 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:16.319 will not disagree with that. That is also not the 395 00:17:16.359 --> 00:17:22.240 most sterling. 396 00:17:19.480 --> 00:17:22.880 At it now, Tad, you know you have a you've 397 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:26.039 started a company that is kind of really it's got 398 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:28.680 a good focus on the video games as well. Tell 399 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.119 us about this this production company that you've created. 400 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:35.799 Yeah, Playtest Network is uh kind of minded Jason's birth 401 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:40.119