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Speaker 4: Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Deplorable Nation.
Speaker 4: I'm your host, Deplorable Danna, and today my lovely, beautiful bestie,
Speaker 4: Miss Heidi is back and we are going to talk
Speaker 4: about the anointed ones and what could that mean.
Speaker 5: Probably you know, lots of things.
Speaker 1: How are you, darling, I'm good.
Speaker 5: I'm excited for this one because you know, I knew
Speaker 5: a guy once that was anointed, well, not in person
Speaker 5: or anything, but you know, it started all religiod.
Speaker 1: True words, true words.
Speaker 4: So we kind of figured that this was fitting because
Speaker 4: it goes along with the you know, the aspect of
Speaker 4: spirituality and the corruption that we see and alternamental states
Speaker 4: and manipulation.
Speaker 1: And you know.
Speaker 4: How bit's used by governments or colts or religions or whatever.
Speaker 4: To get people to build into their will and their way,
Speaker 4: so kind of keeping with the theme of things that
Speaker 4: we've been discussing for a while now.
Speaker 5: And angels and it's Christmas, so Merry Christmas exactly.
Speaker 4: So for people that don't know, like, anointing oil goes
Speaker 4: back really long ways. Even in the Bible. It talks
Speaker 4: about it in Exodus thirty twenty two through twenty five,
Speaker 4: and it was, you know, God's telling Moses to prepare
Speaker 4: anointing oil. And so they've used it in you know,
Speaker 4: ancient Egyptian times and things like that, because they do
Speaker 4: it to like consecrate keith, kings or priests or you know,
Speaker 4: certain objects or whatever. It's used in healing rituals by
Speaker 4: all different kinds of you know people, Middle Eastern people
Speaker 4: and all that kind of stuff, supposedly providing symbolic protection
Speaker 4: or divine appointment kind of like you were referring to.
Speaker 5: Oh, yes, the Mormons definitely consecrate my oil. So I'm
Speaker 5: going to share my little screen while we're chatting here,
Speaker 5: and I did some pictures. Some are funny, just to
Speaker 5: make it, you know, a little little that's my flavor.
Speaker 1: It's not stupid, I think it's funny.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you. I I definitely wanted to add
Speaker 5: something to the show. And like you're saying, with the
Speaker 5: consecration oils, we definitely get down with that business and Mormonism,
Speaker 5: so this isn't Mormonism, but nevertheless, we've got some anointings
Speaker 5: going on here.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's kind of funny because talking about
Speaker 4: anointing oil. Catholics are really big into you know, blessing
Speaker 4: with the oil and you know, the forehead and the
Speaker 4: whole nine yards, and so lots of different religions use
Speaker 4: some kind of anointing oil like that or whatever, and so.
Speaker 1: It's been around for uber long time.
Speaker 4: But just like anything else, it's very very manipulated nowadays
Speaker 4: to suit people's desires.
Speaker 1: I guess well.
Speaker 5: And it depends on what they're anointing with. Look, I
Speaker 5: believe in anointing oil for prayer. But here's the thing.
Speaker 5: When it's got a little something in.
Speaker 4: It, a little something something, a little something mixed up.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, then we got problems. Then we got maybe
Speaker 5: diddy up in the house.
Speaker 4: So you well, maybe because baby oil was anointed.
Speaker 5: Don't worry, I got you. It'll be coming up. I
Speaker 5: got you.
Speaker 4: So traditionally, like before people started messing with it and
Speaker 4: manipulating it with drugs and stuff. It wasn't just anointing
Speaker 4: oils that they would use. They would use ungeons, which
Speaker 4: are like bombs and stuff, and different salves and things
Speaker 4: like that. Because the skin is the largest organ on
Speaker 4: the body, and so when you manipulate it with anything,
Speaker 4: whether it be drugs or even essential oils, and people
Speaker 4: cut them with carrier oils and stuff like that, which
Speaker 4: you gotta be real careful because that can be toxic
Speaker 4: as well. But when they did start manipulating these things,
Speaker 4: they used hallucinogenics, sedatives, paralyzing agents, aphrodisiacs, which that could
Speaker 4: be a that could be a no no, don't touch
Speaker 4: me there, that's my no no square because you'd be happy.
Speaker 1: Right, you'd be like, please touch me.
Speaker 4: And even toxins, so, uh, paralysis oil.
Speaker 5: That's paralysis oil. This is like for massage oil. I
Speaker 5: think it's not really paralyzing maybe your muscle, but I
Speaker 5: thought it fit the theme.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm like what and then we're what does that
Speaker 4: say on the bile bottle says get your life back
Speaker 4: or something?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does get your life I haven't tried it,
Speaker 5: but man, i'd be down like fast recovery, paralysis, oil,
Speaker 5: get your life back. I guess these people owe us
Speaker 5: some money today. Yipes, pay up y'all.
Speaker 4: So, uh interesting that that that's one of the pictures.
Speaker 4: What about that oil aphrodisiac. You can eat oysters and
Speaker 4: it's supposed to do the same thing, or smell pheromones,
Speaker 4: you know, yummy.
Speaker 5: I don't know about the oisters though.
Speaker 1: So some of the you said.
Speaker 5: Moist, Yes, we're gonna be a problem.
Speaker 1: We are going to be a guy.
Speaker 5: Oh boy.
Speaker 4: So some of the reasons why people started doing this
Speaker 4: that during the Middle Ages, they called them witchcraft and
Speaker 4: flying ointments, which I thought was interesting. So they had
Speaker 4: things in him like atropine, belladonna, hinbane, and night shade,
Speaker 4: which they're all kind of in the same family. But
Speaker 4: they used it to again and induce hallucinations, have people
Speaker 4: get out of body experiences. Uh, produced paralysis or even amnesia.
Speaker 5: So this is my out of body experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And so that's kind of creepy that that was
Speaker 4: the thing. I mean, why why would they do that
Speaker 4: back in the Middle Ages? What was the what was
Speaker 4: the point other than of course I could understand the
Speaker 4: you know, the amnesia, like they don't want somebody to
Speaker 4: remember something, so telling telling, yeah, paralysis.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you've ever gave a B and
Speaker 5: O suppository? Have you ever given that? M oh lord?
Speaker 5: You ever want to see some people highest shit? Let
Speaker 5: me tell you the belladonna and opium suppository. They don't
Speaker 5: give it very often. This is an old nurse thing,
Speaker 5: but I will tell you if you have prostate cancer
Speaker 5: and you get the rods and you'll know what that is.
Speaker 5: If that happens to you, ask for those because they
Speaker 5: really will help with the pain there. And these people
Speaker 5: are hysterical.
Speaker 1: Well I can imagine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so good because they're like so that's like
Speaker 4: so so so strong.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, couldn't you like.
Speaker 4: With the night shade plants like the belladonna and stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Can't you die from those?
Speaker 5: You can? These are straight from the pharmacy, so they're
Speaker 5: probably a synthetic control, but you know they I don't
Speaker 5: know if you've ever seen the rods. So they're they're
Speaker 5: about like pins, like a normal pen size. It's about
Speaker 5: twenty of them, all shoved in the taint and they
Speaker 5: have to stay there for a certain amount of time
Speaker 5: because they got to redo it again. I hope this
Speaker 5: has gotten better over the years. I do not do
Speaker 5: this surgery stuff anymore, but back in the day when
Speaker 5: I did, I would see that and I was like,
Speaker 5: I hope this makes you high shit like I don't
Speaker 5: even know, but I hope this will make that stop,
Speaker 5: because it is hysterically horrible and I feel bad Like.
Speaker 1: That made me think about our foreign object show.
Speaker 5: All right, I've been shot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, a bunch of rods up your.
Speaker 5: Oh it's well, it didn't make it in and it's
Speaker 5: in the in between, which is even worse. Oh, whole
Speaker 5: bunch of beetles stuck in there and you can't move them.
Speaker 5: You have to be super careful and help them, and
Speaker 5: they can't get up clearly. But eh, it's a situation.
Speaker 5: It is a cure.
Speaker 4: But ouch, that would be that would be an awful
Speaker 4: situation to have to go through. I'm just sitting there
Speaker 4: thinking about how tender that area is in the first place,
Speaker 4: and how awful that would be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so any of you survive that, pats.
Speaker 1: Off like, that's kudos to you.
Speaker 5: I hope you got the b and ol.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, so outside of medicinal uses during the witch trials,
Speaker 4: they also did things like this for poisoning. And so
Speaker 4: again because oil helps the skin absorb things a whole
Speaker 4: lot faster, it makes a good thing to use, especially
Speaker 4: with the anointing oil because as you know, it mask
Speaker 4: any kind of taste or smell or anything like that,
Speaker 4: and it bypasses your digestive system. So that's why they
Speaker 4: use it a lot. And so they were using things
Speaker 4: like aconite, hemlock, man drake data, and opium extracts to
Speaker 4: poison people.
Speaker 5: I like the mandrake because.
Speaker 1: And if if you've ever seen if you ever watch.
Speaker 4: Like if people don't know what man drakes are, if
Speaker 4: you ever watch like Naked and Afraid or whatever, And
Speaker 4: they drop them off in the jungle.
Speaker 1: A lot of times they enter through water, and so
Speaker 1: there's always like man drakes before they get like on
Speaker 1: shore to get where they're going to.
Speaker 5: But yeah, they really do look like this is a
Speaker 5: joke one from like a Harry Potter sketch, but they
Speaker 5: really do look like little people kind of they're kind.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, yeah they do.
Speaker 5: So, uh.
Speaker 4: Also these were used in scandals and ancient cult type
Speaker 4: rituals and so they were either using the anointing oils
Speaker 4: or incense to put people in trances to make them
Speaker 4: have higher levels of success, suggest ability to have spiritual
Speaker 4: visions or have euphoric experiences. And they said that the
Speaker 4: Eleusinian mysteries and certain Egyptian rights are suspected of using
Speaker 4: these psychoactive substances.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, baby, you know they do. Hey, we got
Speaker 5: we got people nowadays still using that same old stuff
Speaker 5: for the same thing, for the old Silian They they lie,
Speaker 5: they say they don't, but they do.
Speaker 4: Kind of like how mk Alter was supposedly stopped and
Speaker 4: went away, but you know.
Speaker 1: They still do.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, nothing ever really goes away.
Speaker 5: The mystery schools are still alive and.
Speaker 4: Well one hundred percent. So modern possibilities of why anointing
Speaker 4: oils are used for drugs or poisoning.
Speaker 1: And things that they add to them, so.
Speaker 4: THC and we again did a whole show on THHC
Speaker 4: and how potent strains of cannabis and THC and mushrooms
Speaker 4: and all of that stuff are now And so they
Speaker 4: also add fentanyl probably not a great thing. Sedatives like
Speaker 4: benzodiazepine or derivatives of essential oils again, they can be toxic,
Speaker 4: and so if you use essential oils, you absolutely do
Speaker 4: not need to use a carrier oil with essential oils
Speaker 4: that is blowney. They tell you that because they can
Speaker 4: sell you the carrier oil to go along with it.
Speaker 4: If you have uber sensitive skin, just dilute it a
Speaker 4: little bit with water. You don't need to use an oil.
Speaker 4: With an oil, you're getting double duty. And scopolamine which
Speaker 4: is also called devil's breath, which scapolamine is a drug
Speaker 4: that they give you if you're going on a cruise
Speaker 4: prevent sea sickness. They give it to people that have
Speaker 4: like Maneir's disease where they're dizzy all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm from an inner.
Speaker 4: Ear issue stuff like that. But uh, scopolamine can also
Speaker 4: be uh snorted, which is I've never heard of this, Yeah,
Speaker 4: which is just absolutely crazy. And people can actually drop
Speaker 4: dead from scopolamine poisoning.
Speaker 5: Like that's actually scary.
Speaker 1: Her quickly, Yeah, And we give it all the time.
Speaker 5: Watch yourself, don't begin high on.
Speaker 4: The common thing to give people synthetic cannabinoids or different
Speaker 4: research chemicals and d MSO mixtures, and I'm sure a
Speaker 4: lot of people have heard of that it's diamethyl soafox
Speaker 4: side and it's been marketed and targeted to cure not
Speaker 4: only chronic pain syndromes, but has also been like a
Speaker 4: big thing for arthritis some people say cures like cataracts
Speaker 4: and things like that. And so, especially during the COVID lockdown,
Speaker 4: DMSO was talked about literally all over the place and
Speaker 4: people should take that to treat COVID, that's what they
Speaker 4: were putting it out there as. But I would strongly
Speaker 4: suggest not.
Speaker 5: You know, people are willing to do all anything, all
Speaker 5: the time, anything and everything. Best watch yourselves. People are
Speaker 5: dropping dead from certain things. So make sure you know
Speaker 5: what you're getting, where you get it from.
Speaker 4: And to do some research. Don't be like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: I heard it on such and such show or somebody
Speaker 4: advertisement on their podcast or whatever, and you take it
Speaker 4: with the out doing any research because some of the
Speaker 4: stuff that they push is crazy.
Speaker 5: And do a test dose. Don't just lather up in
Speaker 5: it every all over. You gotta hurt hole back. Don't
Speaker 5: do that. Try it out a little tiny bit on
Speaker 5: your elbow or something first, see if you're gonna be okay.
Speaker 4: You mean, they shouldn't slather themselves in it like a mummy.
Speaker 5: Well, if they've done it before, I mean, knock yourself out.
Speaker 5: But if you've got an allergic reaction or something you
Speaker 5: don't want to have it be all over might that day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And anything that you're putting on your body, make
Speaker 4: sure you do not touch your eyeballs, especially if you
Speaker 4: are using oil.
Speaker 1: Don't do that.
Speaker 4: So realistic modern dangers again with the essential oils and
Speaker 4: things that can be very toxic in that aspect. Our camphor,
Speaker 4: which we used to use camphor tincture all the time
Speaker 4: when we were little. Anytime you got like a cut
Speaker 4: or scrape or whatever, that was always a thing. Eucalyptus
Speaker 4: oil can be very dangerous and high concentrations. Same thing
Speaker 4: with shower inhalers and stuff that are eucalyptus, be very
Speaker 4: very mindful of that. Winter green is the same thing.
Speaker 4: And clove oil can also be very dangerous for people
Speaker 4: in very high doses. There are good uses for all
Speaker 4: of these, but I would not suggest slugging down a
Speaker 4: big thing of clove oil.
Speaker 1: Not a good idea. Lucky So.
Speaker 4: Also it can be contaminated with industrial solvents. Some anointing
Speaker 4: oils that are sold online are cut with cheap base oils.
Speaker 4: Then synthetics or industrial chemicals might have gotten from the
Speaker 4: vaccine manufactures, commit detergents things like that. And drug alteration
Speaker 4: for malicious use is always something that we should be
Speaker 4: looking at because what do we normally do with anointing
Speaker 4: oil the forehead, the hands, or the chest, and so
Speaker 4: those are highly sensitive areas. The chest because it's right
Speaker 4: over the heart area close to the lungs as well,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, hands absorbed really fast. So so abuse
Speaker 4: within religious or cult settings, and it's very, very difficult
Speaker 4: to get super good data on this stuff because a
Speaker 4: lot of times either it's underreported, misreported, or they can't
Speaker 4: find enough evidence to back it up because they didn't
Speaker 4: do autopsies on people that died or they didn't do
Speaker 4: lab test on people that are still alive. So when
Speaker 4: you go to check for drugs, you really need to
Speaker 4: know what you're checking for, because you can do just
Speaker 4: a basic drug panel, but if it's something specific that
Speaker 4: they put in there, they would never know that, they
Speaker 4: wouldn't know what to look for, and so that's a
Speaker 4: huge problem. And that's not just with this kind of business,
Speaker 4: but if there's like suspected metal toxicities or anything like that.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing, like they don't know what to
Speaker 4: look for. Even poisons are like that.
Speaker 1: If you got it from Mexico, but the drugs are
Speaker 1: cheaper there.
Speaker 5: If you went to the pharmacy, that's all right, But
Speaker 5: if you're getting it from the all natural store, I
Speaker 5: don't know, man, you never know what.
Speaker 4: One thing that they said in cult type settings, and
Speaker 4: we kind of touched on this and our Cult Killing series,
Speaker 4: sedatives or psychoactive agents added to communion drinks, so the
Speaker 4: the like we talked about before, like don't drink the
Speaker 4: kool aid. They can also spike the wine, which has
Speaker 4: been I was going to say, which has been suggested highly.
Speaker 4: They can also use drug incense or smoke, and so
Speaker 4: depending on what kind of happy things they're using, and
Speaker 4: psychoactive detera again and French spiritual movements and so they
Speaker 4: can use these things to create euphoria, dizziness or compliance.
Speaker 1: So kind of like in that anything that they want.
Speaker 5: Yeah, be aware of you, guys.
Speaker 4: So because it is used in a lot of church settings,
Speaker 4: cult settings, whatever, whatever. So they're trying to get you
Speaker 4: to believe that the hallucinations or euphoria that you feel
Speaker 4: or whatever. They're trying to tie that to your quote faith, right,
Speaker 4: and it actually just becomes a vehicle for them to
Speaker 4: control you and to manipulate you.
Speaker 5: And we're not saying it's in all. These are just
Speaker 5: normal pictures, but you get the idea. You're not saying
Speaker 5: if he did anything, I don't know him.
Speaker 4: And so the spiritual versus the psychological side of this
Speaker 4: is because they're having you know, they have faith and
Speaker 4: somebody's manipulating or twisting it, these people actually go through
Speaker 4: double trauma because they're going through a spiritual trauma when
Speaker 4: they come out the other side of it. But also
Speaker 4: the manipulation side of things, right, messes with you, and
Speaker 4: so they get physically manipulated, spiritually manipulated, and betrayed. And
Speaker 4: these things cause things like cognitive dissonance, sounds familiar spiritual crisis.
Speaker 4: So when something like that happens, or anytime you have
Speaker 4: a bad experience at a church or a cult, if
Speaker 4: you've been in a cult before, when you come out
Speaker 4: the other side, you doubt your belief. You don't think
Speaker 4: there's a God, because why would God let that happen
Speaker 4: to you. So that's common for people to go through
Speaker 4: and things like that. I'm sure sometimes people get psychosis
Speaker 4: like symptoms because these things fracture your psyche and if
Speaker 4: you've already been traumatized and then you are traumatized in
Speaker 4: their spiritual path and whatever, I can understand that. And
Speaker 4: so trauma bonding is a common thing because a lot
Speaker 4: of times people will trauma bond to their abusers.
Speaker 1: So that's not happening so much mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And so there's also distrust in in spiritual authority or
Speaker 4: sometimes I would say the flip side of that, where
Speaker 4: your leader can do no wrong and they are, you know,
Speaker 4: especially if you're under their spell per se that you
Speaker 4: literally you think the sun rises and sets with them
Speaker 4: and they could never harm you or do anything bad.
Speaker 1: That's a very creepy picture.
Speaker 5: I have liked this one because it shows like the
Speaker 5: how you're bonded together but i'nhealthy, right, Like it's it's
Speaker 5: supposed to be two people, but they're not. They're like,
Speaker 5: you're weirdly yeah.
Speaker 1: Weirdly connected.
Speaker 4: So what we're looking at as a as a black
Speaker 4: and white rendering where it looks like a female is
Speaker 4: coming out of the males like shoulders or whatever, and
Speaker 4: it says dependent personality disorder.
Speaker 5: This one was like a cool, Yeah, somebody did a
Speaker 5: good job here.
Speaker 4: And so these things beg the question of not only
Speaker 4: like spiritual abuse or manipulation or whatever, but uh, could
Speaker 4: it also be medical overreach, especially if you're using drugs
Speaker 4: to manipulate people. Because this doesn't happen just in church
Speaker 4: settings or cults. This has happened in government settings, psychology
Speaker 4: test you know, or like.
Speaker 1: This, didies all cute?
Speaker 4: Diddy's baby oil a thousand times slicker than ever freakoff dish?
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you better believe I told you I had.
Speaker 1: You directions for use. What does it say?
Speaker 5: Let's see stud maybe heated and reapplied every five minutes,
Speaker 5: so we'll be listening under the light by the diddler.
Speaker 4: Oh so if you want to get super shiny during
Speaker 4: your freakoff edition.
Speaker 5: Clinically freak approved it.
Speaker 1: So how do you know if you're oil?
Speaker 4: If the anointing oil was altered into ditty oil other
Speaker 4: than someone touching you, you know you're going to feel
Speaker 4: a certain type of way. So you may have depending
Speaker 4: on what they spiked it with. Unexpected tingling numbness, burning
Speaker 4: tangles above for tingles below. Probably all it depends on
Speaker 4: again on what they spiked it with. And if you're
Speaker 4: burning mm that did Ditty's baby oil Puffi's protection a
Speaker 4: thousand bottles.
Speaker 5: Yes, we had to do it. We we should start
Speaker 5: making shirts for these us.
Speaker 1: We should.
Speaker 4: So you might also get dizzy or have confusion or
Speaker 4: have a u for it feeling, especially if they spiked
Speaker 4: it with some kind of opiate. Always a thing time distortion,
Speaker 4: and so if you've got maps, lapses in your memory
Speaker 4: or perception of time, anything like that, that's highly concerning.
Speaker 4: So if you start feeling these things, these are not
Speaker 4: intervention from the Holy Spirit. This is something else at work.
Speaker 5: It's diddy.
Speaker 4: It could be diddy again. Outs so skin irritation, a
Speaker 4: strong chemical smell, or excessive sedation or sleepiness. So they
Speaker 4: could do lab test, but like I said, you have
Speaker 4: to know what to look for, and so they could
Speaker 4: look for plant alkaloids, synthetic psychoactive drugs, heavy metals, solvents, opiates, cannabinoids,
Speaker 4: but you have to have an idea of what it
Speaker 4: is or they can't order the test, or if they do,
Speaker 4: it's going to be uber expensive to litter early test
Speaker 4: for everything under the sun, and then are they going
Speaker 4: to find it? Because how fast does some of those
Speaker 4: metabolize out of your body?
Speaker 5: Fast? Fast? So, especially if we've got GHB or something
Speaker 5: involved with like, it's just not good.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep.
Speaker 4: So the anointed one or a ka the Messiah. So
Speaker 4: in Hebrew mashiak it means the anointed one. In Greek
Speaker 4: Christos means the same thing. And so historically speaking and
Speaker 4: biblically speaking, anointing oil was used for define appointment, special
Speaker 4: spiritual authority, prophetic calling, or kingsmanship. And so it was
Speaker 4: a very simball, like you know, beloved thing that they
Speaker 4: would do. I hate to say ritual, but it really
Speaker 4: is kind of a ritual.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 4: The the thing is that using this biblical perspective and
Speaker 4: them coming in and manipulating to today's thing is to
Speaker 4: make people feel special, like they were selected or set
Speaker 4: apart or whatever, like it was a divine selection from something,
Speaker 4: but it certainly probably was not from God or the
Speaker 4: Holy Spirit.
Speaker 1: So you may.
Speaker 4: Joseph Smith, the psychedelic Smith kind of looks like the
Speaker 4: kind of looks like the artwork that I did for
Speaker 4: our drug episode.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, they say he had some knowledge of alchemy,
Speaker 5: so maybe he was the early form of the Oh,
Speaker 5: we're not.
Speaker 1: Saying that it's possible. You never know.
Speaker 5: I'm seazing.
Speaker 4: So some of these people that that go through these
Speaker 4: things and you know, whether it's divine selection or they
Speaker 4: feel like they were giving given a special message right
Speaker 4: or special mission to carry out or whatever, or that
Speaker 4: they're a profit or a chosen vessel or or something.
Speaker 5: And we're not saying there's not those We're just saying
Speaker 5: there are people that do bad things every day and
Speaker 5: then you're drinking kool aid in the middle of some
Speaker 5: field and it's a bad day. So just be aware.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So.
Speaker 4: People that go through these kind of things where it's
Speaker 4: more on the psychosis side of stuff than an actual
Speaker 4: spiritual awakening, like we talked about on the last show,
Speaker 4: people who have been through extreme stress trauma, even people
Speaker 4: that have been fasting for long periods of time, which
Speaker 4: fasting for long periods of time is not super healthy
Speaker 4: for us because our body breaks down and it starts
Speaker 4: to break down muscle and brain tissue and all of
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff, and we get a little crazy.
Speaker 4: People that are socially isolated, people that never sleep, people
Speaker 4: that use a lot of psychoactive plants hence cannabinoids, mushrooms,
Speaker 4: stuff like that, have neurological conditions or spiritual practices or
Speaker 4: experiences where they're like chanting and trance like or laying
Speaker 4: on a pans or things.
Speaker 5: Like whirling twirlers. And I'm not saying, look, some of
Speaker 5: this stuff isn't terrible, but like every people, if it's
Speaker 5: an aspirin, people do one as good, ten as better.
Speaker 5: So that's all we're saying here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, watch what you're doing and pay attention to
Speaker 4: stuff like that. And especially since everything is so much
Speaker 4: stronger now and altered bioengineer, genetically altered, you don't know
Speaker 4: what's in it, what it's grown in. Like we talked
Speaker 4: about before, there's no regulation on it. So anyways, people
Speaker 4: that go through these traumas and things like that tend
Speaker 4: to be a little bit more succept two stuff like
Speaker 4: that because they're already in a weakened state.
Speaker 1: And so if you look at it from the aspect of.
Speaker 4: With this manipulation, is it kind of like a demonic
Speaker 4: attack going on at the same time, because he loves
Speaker 4: to look for weakness or loopholes that he can use
Speaker 4: against us. And so especially if you've had any kind
Speaker 4: of trauma where you never felt accepted or wanted or
Speaker 4: needed or whatever, you would probably be more likely if
Speaker 4: you went through one of these special anointing ceremonies to
Speaker 4: feel like you were actually a chosen person.
Speaker 5: And you may be, but you gotta be careful because
Speaker 5: I mean, if you're doing it purposely with an intention, like,
Speaker 5: there's just so much that goes into this where you're
Speaker 5: pre programming, So careful, check your spirit, yeah, check it all.
Speaker 5: Make sure we're not like me and Janet are both
Speaker 5: very Christian people, but we've seen this take place, especially me,
Speaker 5: I'm sure with Janet time and time again, with people
Speaker 5: in callings. So not that they do not happen, yes.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent, and you know, not saying it doesn't happen,
Speaker 4: because people do have spiritual awakenings and they do have
Speaker 4: callings for a better purpose, a divine purpose that actually
Speaker 4: comes from God. But when you're being manipulated by someone else,
Speaker 4: a human being, that's not a calling.
Speaker 1: They're saying. There's a big difference.
Speaker 5: And so.
Speaker 4: You know, of course there's with the ancient examples like
Speaker 4: we talked about before, and they could even use lotus oil,
Speaker 4: which is also mildly psychoactive.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 4: Note for people that like specialty t's and stuff, you
Speaker 4: can actually buy lotus flowers and stuff like that to
Speaker 4: put in your tea. I would be very careful and
Speaker 4: if you have like any kind of altered state after
Speaker 4: using that, I would probably stop.
Speaker 1: Just saying.
Speaker 4: So modern fringe sects, sect.
Speaker 5: We're not talking about that.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about the three letter word.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: So modern friend sects and cults not only did they
Speaker 4: use essential oils laced with sedatives, they also used d
Speaker 4: MT okay coactive ointments inhaled oils, repetitive chanting and sensory
Speaker 4: overload because that breaks somebody's psyche as well, and fasting,
Speaker 4: plus scented oils to intensify trance like states. So you're
Speaker 4: not getting it just through anointing oils. They're using it
Speaker 4: in all kinds of ways. So imagine you're on a
Speaker 4: DMT trip. Oh yeah, kind of like that where it
Speaker 4: looks like your head is just swirly colors and circles.
Speaker 5: It's the swirling wirlies.
Speaker 1: Yes, So imagine though, being like.
Speaker 4: In a church or cult type setting or whatever, and
Speaker 4: you're on DMT, and you know, the stuff that people
Speaker 4: see whether they're on one of these trips are vivid
Speaker 4: and crazy, and they're supposed to wink wink, show you
Speaker 4: your spiritual path or spiritual journey or whatever, how you
Speaker 4: can heal yourself or.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 4: So imagine the things that would come up during one
Speaker 4: of those trips, especially if if they're in a trance
Speaker 4: type state and somebody is speaking over them or speaking
Speaker 4: to them while they're in this state. That would be crazy.
Speaker 5: Well, and you just never know. You might have had
Speaker 5: a good trip the first time, second time might not
Speaker 5: be the same.
Speaker 4: Careful, Yeah, it wouldn't be my favorite type of thing.
Speaker 4: So but you know, again, they manipulate people because they
Speaker 4: think they're part of something, They belong to some thing,
Speaker 4: they have a better sense of purpose, They believe that
Speaker 4: they have divine protection. Now, which if it didn't come
Speaker 4: from God, you don't have divine protection, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. Oh yeah, visions, voices, things like that, you know,
Speaker 4: mission driven, purpose, path, et cetera, et cetera. And so
Speaker 4: it can occur, like we said, from a spiritual awakening,
Speaker 4: but it can also happen in mysticism mystical experiences. There
Speaker 4: are all kinds of people that cast spells and do
Speaker 4: all the things right. Happens in psychosis patients as well,
Speaker 4: and so cult indoctrination is is kind of the same
Speaker 4: kind of thing. Just come on in, we accept everybody,
Speaker 4: We love you, we love you for who you are,
Speaker 4: and it makes you feel like like you belong in
Speaker 4: your one and then they've literally got you by the
Speaker 4: go dance wherever, forever, ever until.
Speaker 5: You wake up, forever, until you don't wake up. Because
Speaker 5: it's a little scarier on.
Speaker 4: So why do groups decide they're gonna drug and manipulate
Speaker 4: people control and obedience?
Speaker 1: Right, If you can.
Speaker 4: Make somebody believe that they were chosen, then they're not
Speaker 4: gonna make waves in the group. So even if you
Speaker 4: know you're approached by I don't know whatever and ac
Speaker 4: cult society, right, and they're like, oh, come join us,
Speaker 4: like you could belong here, and oh we'd love to
Speaker 4: have you. We need somebody just like you. That's how
Speaker 4: they get you, right, that's their stick. Oh yeah, So
Speaker 4: bringing everybody in and making them feel like they belong
Speaker 4: and they're needed and loved and have a mission and
Speaker 4: a purpose in this group. That creates that deep loyalty, right,
Speaker 4: and so deep devotion to the group and to the
Speaker 4: leaders and the whole nine yards, and who would stray
Speaker 4: from that? And so spiritual authority as well, and mystical
Speaker 4: bonding because shared altered states create a feeling of divine
Speaker 4: connection and so kind of like with the Jonestown and
Speaker 4: several of the other cult things that we talked about
Speaker 4: on our series, they felt like they were like the
Speaker 4: divine religion, the chosen people, you know, and they had
Speaker 4: this connection inside their group that no one else has
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 1: And a lot of religions do this.
Speaker 4: If you are part of they're inner circle, that's the
Speaker 4: only people you're supposed to speak to or be around,
Speaker 4: and everybody else is considered an outsider or an unclean.
Speaker 4: So there's lots of religions that believe that. And because
Speaker 4: they've got you on the hook for all of these things, right,
Speaker 4: it makes you more likely to also try to recruit
Speaker 4: other people into the group, especially anybody weak, vulnerable, feeling
Speaker 4: law lost, filling alone.
Speaker 1: That's what the target is. Oh yeah, So.
Speaker 4: Historical and anthropological evidence that some religious or cultured groups
Speaker 4: worldwide use psychoactive substances like mushrooms, peyote, hallucinogenics, and they
Speaker 4: used them and rituals a lot of times to do
Speaker 4: that altered state of consciousness, and so there's a lot
Speaker 4: of instances of people doing that sort of thing. In
Speaker 4: more recent decades, research into drug use and cult shows
Speaker 4: a wide variation. Some cult like or high controlled groups
Speaker 4: abstain entirely from drugs, and others use or coersa people
Speaker 4: into using these things. Like if you're going to belong,
Speaker 4: you all got to be on DMT, let's go for.
Speaker 1: It, kind of like.
Speaker 4: Charles Manson's Little Group.
Speaker 5: Definitely drugs, definitely.
Speaker 4: So there's been a lot of things like that throughout
Speaker 4: history where drugs were the main focus of groups.
Speaker 1: You know, and then you've got.
Speaker 4: Free love and all of these things, because if you
Speaker 4: can get somebody to give up all of their inhibitions,
Speaker 4: they're easier to control that way.
Speaker 5: And you feel like squiggly lines.
Speaker 4: Exactly, and you know, there may be some uber look.
Speaker 4: It kind of looks like an upside down bunny in
Speaker 4: the center of that. You know, I am not on drugs.
Speaker 5: I mean, we're just like this always.
Speaker 4: Sorry, So there are documented cases of cults or fringe
Speaker 4: groups using drugs or worse leading to math, mass death
Speaker 4: and poisoning. So another instance that we talked about on
Speaker 4: our cult series was the Order of the Solar Temple
Speaker 4: or OTS for short. They had mass murders in the
Speaker 4: nineteen nineties and two thousands involving poisoning or drugging members
Speaker 4: for a spiritual transit because they believe they were going
Speaker 4: to be taken up by a spaceship and.
Speaker 1: Go to their forever home.
Speaker 5: And this is how they ended up. We had to
Speaker 5: do a drawing because we can't, you know, can't show that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so interesting, right, But and a lot of this
Speaker 4: stuff ritual abuse, a cult abuse, or drug related ritual
Speaker 4: trauma may be alleged, but like I said earlier, they can't.
Speaker 4: There's not enough proof to back it up. Even and
Speaker 4: here's what I hate about this witness or victim shaming, right,
Speaker 4: and so they'll come forward and say, you know, they
Speaker 4: were drugging us with X, Y and Z, these are
Speaker 4: the things that happened to us whatever, and most quote
Speaker 4: unquote experts would say that these people were misremembering something.
Speaker 5: Satanic panic. It was all lie. Like I just don't
Speaker 5: buy that.
Speaker 4: But well, and there's even I think it was last year,
Speaker 4: there was an instance at a preschool where all the
Speaker 4: kids were like, no, they took us in this room
Speaker 4: and this all the stuff that happened and whatever, and
Speaker 4: they told all these kids that they were making up
Speaker 4: wild stories. But all of these kids had very vivid
Speaker 4: explanations and whatever about the things that would happen to
Speaker 4: them at this particular school and graphic detail, and they're like, Oh,
Speaker 4: they're making stuff up, they're misremembering. And that's what they
Speaker 4: do with a lot of these cult or previous church
Speaker 4: members or you know, whatever is that the victims would
Speaker 4: come forward and then a lot of times there was
Speaker 4: so much abuse that they would have to go, you know,
Speaker 4: to therapy, and then the therapists would like do their
Speaker 4: work and put them under and recall hidden memories and
Speaker 4: things like that, and then they're like, oh, that's not
Speaker 4: valid because those are false things. They're false memories. They're
Speaker 4: not really pulling up what actually happened to them. And
Speaker 4: so not only do people not report because of the
Speaker 4: victim shaming, but because they're shamed or they're so deeply
Speaker 4: traumatized that they can't report things or don't feel safe
Speaker 4: reporting things. They don't feel safe period, because what if
Speaker 4: members of the police force were also in this group.
Speaker 5: Right, Well, you'd feel pretty damn let down's for sure.
Speaker 4: So think about like all the stories about like Epstein
Speaker 4: and other deadlers, right, and then how either they get
Speaker 4: off scot free or they may serve like probation or
Speaker 4: like six months jail time and then you're free or whatever.
Speaker 4: And that kind of stuff happens all the time. So
Speaker 4: with these groups that are manipulating people and drugging people
Speaker 4: and whatever, they're kind of a protected class because nothing
Speaker 4: ever happens.
Speaker 5: It's terrifying to think that, you know, I make jokes
Speaker 5: about Mormons, but they don't go this far usually. I mean,
Speaker 5: there are some cases of SRA and stuff like that
Speaker 5: in the church, but you know, when we look at
Speaker 5: these things, definitely when it gets to a next level cult.
Speaker 5: This is a next level cult. The Order of the
Speaker 5: Solar Temple is a really big one that you can
Speaker 5: look at and I'm sorry, did we not have neighbors?
Speaker 5: I just have a question. And even if the person
Speaker 5: didn't want to do it, like at this point, if
Speaker 5: you're in and you don't have a way out, and
Speaker 5: you've disconnected from everyone, what are you going to do?
Speaker 5: You know, honestly you would say leave, But like if
Speaker 5: you're in that mindset.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's like we talked about on the Cult series,
Speaker 4: is that you know, that's what a lot of these
Speaker 4: things will do. They'll isolate you from your friends, your
Speaker 4: family or whatever, so that you don't have anyone to
Speaker 4: rely on. You don't have any way to get out,
Speaker 4: you don't have any place safe that you can go.
Speaker 4: Maybe you're completely broke and you can't leave, and that's
Speaker 4: done on purpose. And also, which I found interesting, is
Speaker 4: a lot of times when these groups get you under
Speaker 4: this spell and drug you up and whatever, it said
Speaker 4: that people are also more likely to give.
Speaker 1: Like tithing type stuff.
Speaker 4: So what they got, they're not getting you to give
Speaker 4: them their twenty percent, and so they're going to drug
Speaker 4: you so that you'll be like, oh, I'll just give
Speaker 4: you everything I own.
Speaker 5: And they do scarily. It's not in this life in
Speaker 5: another because sometimes they sign over houses to churches and
Speaker 5: all kinds of things.
Speaker 4: That's crazy to me that that that's a thing, but.
Speaker 1: Whatever, but yeah, I'm open.
Speaker 4: There's so many instances of you know, why people don't leave,
Speaker 4: why people don't report it, and why people some people
Speaker 4: are very susceptible to the manipulation in the first place,
Speaker 4: where others are not.
Speaker 5: So Yes, it can be just I just think that
Speaker 5: people need to know there is more outlets than what
Speaker 5: we realize, Like you can get help, and you should.
Speaker 5: If you want out, get out. If you think it's dangerous,
Speaker 5: don't wait till the kool aid comes. Like, let's be
Speaker 5: real here. You should be afraid, and you know we're
Speaker 5: in and we're in the forever. Let's see. Make it stop.
Speaker 5: You gotta make that forever stop. I don't know how.
Speaker 1: It's like the echo, echo echo.
Speaker 5: I'm always like, oh, let's see did it remove? No,
Speaker 5: not yet removed from stage? There we go okay, because
Speaker 5: if we don't, if you don't do anything, and you
Speaker 5: just go along and just go along and just and
Speaker 5: if you're that type of person, you you know, if
Speaker 5: you happen to be watching this show, you need a
Speaker 5: backup plan. If you have fear that that something bad
Speaker 5: is going to happen, don't wait till that bad thing happens,
Speaker 5: because then you're probably not leaving at that day. You know,
Speaker 5: these things just happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's really scary to think that there are
Speaker 4: so many people that are in that situation where they
Speaker 4: don't know who to ask for help. There is no
Speaker 4: one to ask for help, and are they going to
Speaker 4: rely on a stranger yeah, and or tell and hope
Speaker 4: for their good grace to help them.
Speaker 5: Yeah. It's sad because I don't think a lot of
Speaker 5: people would even question it. I mean, when we get
Speaker 5: into things like Heaven's Gate and they're chopping their dicks
Speaker 5: off in the shed. Look, I mean, okay, they're balls.
Speaker 5: It wasn't their dicks, but I don't think I hope
Speaker 5: it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It could have been that too, who knows.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh. But you know, if that level where
Speaker 5: you're like, yeah, seems like a good idea, yikes. If
Speaker 5: you're the guy behind him, help and hold the leather
Speaker 5: strap that he's biting, probably time to go.
Speaker 1: Well. And if you.
Speaker 4: Are the type of person that you're so in need
Speaker 4: of the community and the belonging and whatever that you're
Speaker 4: willing to self mutilate to be a part of something
Speaker 4: that's concerning, because there's something probably going on in your
Speaker 4: own psyche that needs evaluated.
Speaker 5: I mean, we all want to be in the club,
Speaker 5: but let's be honest, if you're chopping body parts off,
Speaker 5: it's a problem. Like I wouldn't stay that long. Like
Speaker 5: I don't know, but I mean I do realize some
Speaker 5: people are programmed. I mean, the mans and girls were
Speaker 5: never quite right honestly. I mean they might have acknowledged
Speaker 5: that they did it and whatever, but they're still mk ultured.
Speaker 5: So whatever happens sometimes is irreversible. So probably best to
Speaker 5: get out early.
Speaker 4: Right just before that, before that long term damage happens.
Speaker 1: That's so scary.
Speaker 5: Though, Very someths that we've done on this series have
Speaker 5: been really like whoa.
Speaker 1: You know, right, like eye opening and whatever.
Speaker 4: And it's so funny that like a lot of these
Speaker 4: things that we've been talking about, like people don't realize
Speaker 4: like how much all of this stuff ties together and
Speaker 4: the amount of manipulation in everyday life that there is,
Speaker 4: So it's crazy to me.
Speaker 5: It's concerning. Yeah, So if you're seeing angels after your
Speaker 5: communion at church and it's not just you know, divine
Speaker 5: type of situation keeps happening, you should probably be questioning that.
Speaker 4: Hopefully that's not happening, and it only happens in your church,
Speaker 4: then I would be highly suspect. Now if you had
Speaker 4: an instance, but then you have things happen to you
Speaker 4: outside of church, I would be a little more or
Speaker 4: a little a little less likely to be like the
Speaker 4: church is drugging me, you know what I mean, or
Speaker 4: the cult.
Speaker 5: That's happening mainstream anymore. But yeah, I mean anything as possible.
Speaker 5: We hear a lot of weird stuff at churches too.
Speaker 5: I mean, let's not pretend some of the top of
Speaker 5: the top. And I'm not talking about Mormons here. You
Speaker 5: guys know who they are. You know, the ditty oil
Speaker 5: themselves like and they didn't even have to they just
Speaker 5: they just did it right.
Speaker 1: And there's so much scandal.
Speaker 4: And I think that's why a lot of people are
Speaker 4: very turned off to quote religion, because they had a
Speaker 4: horrific or terrifying experience or a bad experience in a
Speaker 4: church and they're relating belief and religion, which are are
Speaker 4: totally different things.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yep. And we're not discounting spiritual awakenings. We're
Speaker 5: just saying be aware beyond you know what, just think
Speaker 5: this is my theology. Everyone is a serial killer until
Speaker 5: you prove me otherwise. Saved my ass a lot.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, or I'm gonna say like the
Speaker 4: slipknot song, people equal shit. That is true because we
Speaker 4: all have very bad characteristics traits. We can say bad things,
Speaker 4: do bad things.
Speaker 1: You know whatever. It's not until you.
Speaker 4: Decide to change or whatever for the better that that
Speaker 4: you know you gotta be a better person.
Speaker 5: Should never be co dependent on any other existence, no
Speaker 5: matter how much you love somebody. So if that is
Speaker 5: a church member or even your spouse, like you should
Speaker 5: compliment each other, but you shouldn't be like attached like
Speaker 5: that weird picture, Like it's not like that. It shouldn't
Speaker 5: be terrifying to be without them. It shouldn't be terrifying
Speaker 5: to be by yourself sometimes it I mean, I would
Speaker 5: prefer to be with him, but if he's got to
Speaker 5: work or something like, life is life, Like you shouldn't
Speaker 5: need to feel like that.
Speaker 4: So right, like if they if they leave to go
Speaker 4: to the work or leave to go to this store,
Speaker 4: like you're gonna die if they're not there.
Speaker 5: And church and church members as well, like if that's
Speaker 5: the only church you can go to, and that guy
Speaker 5: is like the only guy, not because of love or
Speaker 5: happiness or or a good feeling. Like it's this weird bonded,
Speaker 5: strange thing. You should probably check into that because maybe
Speaker 5: they didn't do anything. Maybe that's a youth thing and
Speaker 5: you're trying, like you said, trauma bonding and all that,
Speaker 5: you can do that to yourself on accident, like people
Speaker 5: do it all the time, like oh, I want church
Speaker 5: and this guy saved me, but actually he was just
Speaker 5: being nice and reading his sermon that day, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean. I mean it sometimes people get too far.
Speaker 5: So just get comfortable with yourself in God. This is
Speaker 5: so important. Journal pray, you know, find your self in
Speaker 5: God and like your relationship with him, and then anybody
Speaker 5: else that teaches you about God or anything along the way,
Speaker 5: that's great, but you already have that. That's yours. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 5: You're never gonna drink kool aid like that, I promise.
Speaker 4: And you know something else that I thought when we
Speaker 4: are talking about trauma bonding is how a lot of
Speaker 4: patients will become dependent on their therapist and they'll actually
Speaker 4: start to develop feelings for their therapist or vice versa.
Speaker 4: The therapist trauma bond with their patient, and you know
Speaker 4: they're they're talking about all these deep, awful, dark things,
Speaker 4: and then you know it's like, oh, I can relate
Speaker 4: to that as a human being. Oh, I've had these
Speaker 4: kind of experiences too, And so they become very codependent
Speaker 4: on each other.
Speaker 5: And especially when it's clergy, because you could be doing
Speaker 5: that same thing with a clergy member, get that close,
Speaker 5: and then that it's even more offuscated because nobody's there
Speaker 5: to tell you it's not. You know, we take like
Speaker 5: for therapists and stuff. You're taking, you know, all these
Speaker 5: tests constantly all year long, saying boundaries and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: But I don't know that clergy has to do that.
Speaker 5: So be careful, be very careful.
Speaker 4: And I say, well, and could that be why there's
Speaker 4: so much abuse in the church because there is no
Speaker 4: bound and because it's like, oh, it's okay because God
Speaker 4: told me to love you like that.
Speaker 5: Yes exactly. I mean I read a story today about
Speaker 5: Joseph Smith and my great ancestor, and it wasn't for
Speaker 5: this podcast or anything I was doing studying in a
Speaker 5: history book. But and he told her if she didn't
Speaker 5: marry him, and she was sixteen or seventeen, already married
Speaker 5: and pregnant. If they didn't get married and he was
Speaker 5: married as well, then by a flaming sword, she'd die.
Speaker 5: And then this poor lady does, and then they send
Speaker 5: her husband on permanent missions forever. Xena Huntington is the
Speaker 5: name of this woman. And you know, you look at
Speaker 5: this story and eventually, like Joseph dies and that she
Speaker 5: marries Brigham Young's she was married to him too. And
Speaker 5: then at the end of it all, she writes in
Speaker 5: her journals, you know what, I realize marriage, she just
Speaker 5: can't expect anything from it. And love isn't real. I
Speaker 5: mean I was crushed for her.
Speaker 4: I was like, ugh, yeah, yeah, because the only thing
Speaker 4: that she ever got was the manipulative version and not true,
Speaker 4: actual love from somebody. But that's the thing is, you know,
Speaker 4: praying on somebody that's in a week in state again
Speaker 4: and manipulating them. And there's a lot of clergy members
Speaker 4: and stories about clergy over the years where they do
Speaker 4: things like that, and they manipulate people into doing things
Speaker 4: that they would not normally do and people trust them
Speaker 4: because they're clergy.
Speaker 5: Well, and what did they do?
Speaker 4: Yeah, look at the same thing with like politicians, mayor sheriffs,
Speaker 4: anybody of a position of power aka authority it's and
Speaker 4: people you know are like drawn to that authority figure
Speaker 4: or whatever kind of like they're putting them on a
Speaker 4: pedestal and they could not possibly hurt me.
Speaker 1: Sound familiar like our welment? Why would they ever hurt us?
Speaker 5: Exactly? And even the story why this why I wanted
Speaker 5: to do this anointed one was because there is instances
Speaker 5: of people saying that early on in the LDS Church
Speaker 5: they were using hallucinogenics, mushrooms and alchemy. He knew about alchemy.
Speaker 5: His mom was a lay midwife and she knew some stuff,
Speaker 5: and the dad was very smart as well. People can
Speaker 5: look up some stuff on this, but that this was
Speaker 5: in practice for visions and that it would be like
Speaker 5: they would get the anointing on their head with the oil,
Speaker 5: and then people were seeing consistently the same types of
Speaker 5: things around the same time, so it was like always
Speaker 5: within this timeframe. And I mean, I think that that
Speaker 5: happened back in the day way more than now. But
Speaker 5: don't forget why that priest comes down the line with
Speaker 5: the little thing full of incense. You know, this was
Speaker 5: because of all these old cults, they used to do this,
Speaker 5: and it was only during the sacrament time and the
Speaker 5: mystery religions that they did this intense and they were
Speaker 5: using like cannabinoid type substances, and they were forbidden to
Speaker 5: be used any other time, just during the ceremony. Now,
Speaker 5: if you're just high in there talking to Jesus, I
Speaker 5: mean whatever. But if they're starting to control you and
Speaker 5: not telling you and you don't know and things are
Speaker 5: without your consent, it becomes a problem. Because too many
Speaker 5: people have trauma, too many people have issues. It can
Speaker 5: send people over the edge easy. And you know, some
Speaker 5: of us were not all built the same.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. And that's why I said a lot
Speaker 4: of people are very susceptible to things like that and
Speaker 4: other people are not. Yes, So I think it depends
Speaker 4: on you know, what kind of if you've had traumas,
Speaker 4: if you've addressed your traumas, if you've healed from your traumas,
Speaker 4: you know, or you have any kind of weaknesses or whatever,
Speaker 4: as far as you know, like feeling lonely or whatever.
Speaker 4: Because manipulators can see you coming a mile away.
Speaker 5: They see it, especially if it's a recent trauma, So
Speaker 5: be careful, you know, especially in those recent traumas where
Speaker 5: you align yourself. If you met the love of your
Speaker 5: life two months after a recent trauma.
Speaker 1: Probably not probably not so much.
Speaker 5: You got to be concerned.
Speaker 4: Ye, So the the stuff on this, like I said before,
Speaker 4: like trying to get actual numbers on any of this,
Speaker 4: and how awful it is trying to get like actual
Speaker 4: real data to back things up. And even like experts
Speaker 4: agree to disagree on stuff, right, because these victims said this,
Speaker 4: Oh well, I don't think they really meant that I
Speaker 4: and the other researchers or completely off the other.
Speaker 1: Side of the mountain on things.
Speaker 4: But because a lot of these members that reported stuff
Speaker 4: would report different instances of things, they're like, oh, well
Speaker 4: the stories don't match, so yeah, it couldn't possibly have happened.
Speaker 4: And like I said before, with the drugs, like knowing
Speaker 4: what to look for, knowing what to test for, did
Speaker 4: they test for anything at all? Or they just dismissive
Speaker 4: of people, And so not a lot of research on it,
Speaker 4: not a lot of really great uh like case studies
Speaker 4: or anything other than.
Speaker 5: Some crazy people in the corner. Yeah, like it's I mean,
Speaker 5: and then of course you're always going to have everybody saying, oh,
Speaker 5: that never happened, Oh we didn't do that. And if
Speaker 5: it is a big church, you bet you're asked. That's
Speaker 5: never coming out.
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. Kind of like the Catholic Church are
Speaker 4: in picking on a Catholic Church.
Speaker 5: But it's labor today.
Speaker 4: It's a thing, right because they are so plagued with
Speaker 4: oh my god, so much scandal and whatever over the years,
Speaker 4: and how much cover up that they do to CYA
Speaker 4: and it's it's really not any different than a giant
Speaker 4: massage organization, right. The good old boys cover for the
Speaker 4: good old boys.
Speaker 1: And so you could do whatever you want and get
Speaker 1: away with it.
Speaker 5: And we kind of know about that. Oh no we
Speaker 5: don't JK.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we do.
Speaker 5: Just what I mean, you know, uh, they've always been there.
Speaker 5: And so the biggest thing you can do, especial if
Speaker 5: you're a woman, is protect yourself. Like Janet said, if
Speaker 5: if you're having a real spiritual awakening, it's not just
Speaker 5: going to happen at the same time every time you
Speaker 5: take the sacrament on this date, like it's just not
Speaker 5: going to be like right.
Speaker 4: And if that is the case, and you only get
Speaker 4: it when you're going for a communion or whatever.
Speaker 1: You might want to reevaluate where you're going to church.
Speaker 5: Yes, be scared.
Speaker 4: Like you're if you're in a group and they encourage
Speaker 4: every member to use drugs or you know, encourage these
Speaker 4: ritualistic ceremonies or whatever, and you start feeling real weird,
Speaker 4: having the chinglis and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: Old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, run run.
Speaker 5: Thousands of bottles of baby oil. I mean, it made
Speaker 5: so much sense when they when they busted that out,
Speaker 5: I was like, there, it is. There, it is because
Speaker 5: you're right like your skin is, and especially, like Janet said,
Speaker 5: not only your heart but your head. The reason why
Speaker 5: they put it on your head is right by your brain.
Speaker 5: Brain very vascular, you know, one.
Speaker 4: Hundred percent, and you know what a better way to
Speaker 4: go directly into your nervous system and make you sleepy
Speaker 4: or feel like you're paralyzed or you know whatever. And
Speaker 4: so it leans to the question of how many more times.
Speaker 5: You have.
Speaker 4: Things like baby oil or whatever been used because it's
Speaker 4: carrier oil and it.
Speaker 5: Gets your hair with my special gel.
Speaker 1: There's something about mary.
Speaker 5: Oh so scary. Yeah, no, it really Honestly, people like it.
Speaker 5: It seems so far fetched. People have done worse, oh.
Speaker 4: One hundred thousand percent, which you know, and especially like
Speaker 4: you pointed out with the with the ditty stuff coming
Speaker 4: out with the baby oil, and then we're talking about
Speaker 4: you know, spiking oil with stuff and why that's a
Speaker 4: big issue because a lot of people are like, oh,
Speaker 4: so he used baby oil.
Speaker 1: Whatever, you gotta.
Speaker 5: Give it a little greasy when he touched my arm,
Speaker 5: can you imagine just that quickly, like, oh, he brushed
Speaker 5: up against me, Like it doesn't have to be like
Speaker 5: you're naked getting a massage. That's not what we're talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, And that's why, like today's topic brings new
Speaker 4: light to what the point was behind the baby oil.
Speaker 4: And think of it too, Like there's always warnings about
Speaker 4: like if you see money laying next to your car,
Speaker 4: like don't bend down and pick it up, or if
Speaker 4: there's like a rag on your door handle or the spot,
Speaker 4: I have to tell like don't touch it. And why
Speaker 4: is that? Because it's transdermal. It goes right through your skin,
Speaker 4: because your skin is the largest organ, so they can
Speaker 4: literally drug you when when you touch these things.
Speaker 5: And of the guys in the JFK story that they
Speaker 5: were calling to one of the committees. You know, nobody
Speaker 5: made it to them committees. Anyway, he said, he went
Speaker 5: to his car to your point, and he went to
Speaker 5: open his car handle back then you know, they were
Speaker 5: like the big pull out metal ones, and he said
Speaker 5: he felt something greasy on his hand. He died of
Speaker 5: a heart attack. It was probably nitro past one and
Speaker 5: ten percent. You get the scene that saved your life.
Speaker 5: You're having a heart attack. It's paste like a lotion.
Speaker 5: It's just this little lotion. It can kill you.
Speaker 4: Like that's just like the scopolamine, you know, And like
Speaker 4: I said, they prescribed that. They've even prescribed that for
Speaker 4: like kids that are going on cruises with their parents
Speaker 4: or whatever.
Speaker 5: And asked the people they get the gopalamine lotion. You
Speaker 5: have no idea what people have access to and ury.
Speaker 4: So you know, not trying to invoke fear or panic
Speaker 4: or anything like that, because that's not.
Speaker 1: The way we live.
Speaker 4: But that's why I said, like, your your skin is
Speaker 4: a good carrier to absorb things like uber uber fast
Speaker 4: and it can go wherever it's meant to go. Whatever
Speaker 4: drug they give you can go immediately through your skin.
Speaker 4: So because oils are a really good carrier for things
Speaker 4: like fat soluble toxins. Psychoactive plant extracts sedatives, analgesics because hello,
Speaker 4: pain control for your back or for your knee or whatever,
Speaker 4: THHC or synthetic cannabinoids. The scopolamine patches the dms O
Speaker 4: because it absorbs your skin, absorbs chemicals very very quickly,
Speaker 4: and and disguises smell penetrate really quickly and can be
Speaker 4: applied without detection. And so be careful what you're picking up,
Speaker 4: Be careful what people putting on you. Be careful when
Speaker 4: someone touches you, especially, I mean somebody you don't know, Like,
Speaker 4: don't be.
Speaker 5: Afraid consistently weird, like think of like a weird like
Speaker 5: this always happens at this time and then eye trip
Speaker 5: out or whatever. It's not just going to be I mean,
Speaker 5: hopefully one random time. I mean it was for the
Speaker 5: day of Kike.
Speaker 4: I But well that's what I say, because like if
Speaker 4: somebody that you don't know comes up to you, like
Speaker 4: while you're out shopping or something like that, and they're
Speaker 4: trying to touch on you, like not in a sexual way,
Speaker 4: but it's just trying to touch you, Like I yeah,
Speaker 4: like find somebody you know.
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 1: Creepy, creepy stuff.
Speaker 4: So anyways, I don't know about you, but this whole
Speaker 4: thing makes me like uber uncomfortable thinking about like my
Speaker 4: childhood growing up, because they did the oil on the
Speaker 4: forehead all of the time, and sometimes it was like
Speaker 4: washing your hands and weird, like they put oil on
Speaker 4: your hand or something, and I'm like, wonder, you know,
Speaker 4: if if there's any repress things that I don't remember
Speaker 4: that are going on back then it just weirds me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, there's definitely times, especially with certain blessings,
Speaker 5: especially with my patriotical blessing, And I don't know if
Speaker 5: it's because they would move like a certain movement they
Speaker 5: would always lay hands and do oil. I don't know
Speaker 5: if it was that or if it was like I
Speaker 5: don't know, I don't know if it was just that
Speaker 5: movement whatever, But where you felt e ThEC you know,
Speaker 5: very high kind of and so it makes you wonder
Speaker 5: sometimes because that's a super special blessing, that one's different
Speaker 5: than most in the church. You know, your patriotical blessing
Speaker 5: is pretty special, as is the anointings and washings in
Speaker 5: the temple. And you know, I had a really bad
Speaker 5: experience and tripped out really bad in there, and it
Speaker 5: does make me kind of wonder, like h and maybe
Speaker 5: it's not even like anything nefarious. Maybe it's like what
Speaker 5: you said, like cinnamon. I don't know, you know, maybe
Speaker 5: it was just some weird thing that I had a
Speaker 5: reaction to. But it makes one wonder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if it made you feel loopy, that would
Speaker 4: be highly concerning.
Speaker 5: For me, it was a little weird. Yeah, maybe panic.
Speaker 5: I know that, And the only things that make me
Speaker 5: do that are things like THC and stuff like that
Speaker 5: immediately panic. And so I don't know if it was
Speaker 5: trauma based, could have been you know, could have just
Speaker 5: been tripping out, but like my own self, but who knows.
Speaker 5: Definitely concerning though, definitely something you don't want to if
Speaker 5: it's repeating, you want to be thinking about that, like
Speaker 5: Janet said, think about it.
Speaker 1: So how about the flip side of it? Okay, So.
Speaker 4: A lot of churches and cults and stuff like that
Speaker 4: use this to like get members to fall in line
Speaker 4: and whatever.
Speaker 1: But what if there were certain.
Speaker 4: Sects or communities or whatever that did it because they
Speaker 4: were trying to gaslight or discredit you, so like it
Speaker 4: makes you look crazy, right, Uh, you're you're possessed. Uh,
Speaker 4: and so you weren't experiencing anything from God, you must
Speaker 4: be Yeah, the devil is in you now. So uh,
Speaker 4: like you're always under attack or you're unstable, nobody should
Speaker 4: believe you, or you're in need of deliverance. So how
Speaker 4: many times have we heard about things like that where
Speaker 4: you know they're they've gotta they've got to do these
Speaker 4: things to deliver you from from evil because evil like
Speaker 4: has infiltrated you and filled you and whatever. And so
Speaker 4: how many stories of like serious peddlers and all that, right.
Speaker 5: And I think on some of them. I mean, I
Speaker 5: will say, for me, Richard Ramirez was possessed by the touble.
Speaker 5: I am telling people right now, like I you could
Speaker 5: tell me that doesn't happen. I'm telling you he was.
Speaker 4: But look at like the witch trials and stuff like that, right,
Speaker 4: and and they had that r gut poisoning. But but
Speaker 4: they were like, oh, we gotta burn them at the
Speaker 4: steak because we gotta deliver them.
Speaker 1: They're evil, they're bad.
Speaker 5: Now, Janet whatever, Yeah, Mandela bad you guys. They apparently
Speaker 5: hung all the witches, they didn't burn them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not true. Whatever, whatever they're making chills world.
Speaker 5: So if you remember, look, if you remember them being hung,
Speaker 5: I want you to comment. I want you to comment below,
Speaker 5: just because I want to see if anybody remembers it differently,
Speaker 5: not to like make fun or anything. I'll read it
Speaker 5: and respond. I'm serious, I will respond. I will respond
Speaker 5: on the colt and on our page together, or I'm
Speaker 5: just super curious.
Speaker 4: I right, well, and that's what they have to constantly
Speaker 4: change and rewrite stuff and gaslight us. Right, how again
Speaker 4: with the gas lighting that we're misremembering things.
Speaker 5: And if they can do that to us with this
Speaker 5: stupid little thing, what are they doing to people that
Speaker 5: really got screwed up? Like this is just some little
Speaker 5: dumb excerpt out of history that I'm arguing about. Right,
Speaker 5: this is silly, but if they can do but it's
Speaker 5: not right.
Speaker 4: But it's not because the gas lighting and the manipulation
Speaker 4: is real, right and there and again it's like you misremembered,
Speaker 4: you don't know what you're talking about. You're crazy. It
Speaker 4: never happened. It was never like that, and so crazy.
Speaker 4: How many times have they used the Mandela effect with
Speaker 4: stuff and change things and told us that it never exists?
Speaker 4: Did the way we remember, remembered, not remembered. Uh supposedly
Speaker 4: that was a Southern thing coming out of me just then.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's true, like cern every time. I'm serious,
Speaker 5: Like I know, but I'm a conspiracy theorist or whatever.
Speaker 5: You guys can think whatever you want, but I'm telling you,
Speaker 5: I remember a lot of different realities, so like not
Speaker 5: different lifetimes and me like different weird things that they
Speaker 5: say about history because I love history that I'm like, no,
Speaker 5: so I don't know.
Speaker 4: A little bit of mind control manipulation that they're trying
Speaker 4: to pull on people because you know, again we're so
Speaker 4: dumb we misremember or or pull up things that are
Speaker 4: not true or that never happened.
Speaker 1: We made them up.
Speaker 5: So yep, that's why they hate books.
Speaker 1: So there is a specific.
Speaker 4: Religion that does this a lot where they discredit people,
Speaker 4: especially people that even talk about wanting to leave, uh.
Speaker 1: And then they destroy them. They destroy their lives.
Speaker 4: You know, they put up signs in their neighborhoods and
Speaker 4: literally all kinds of crazy stuff.
Speaker 1: So imagine like on that level, like why.
Speaker 4: A church would want to do that or a group
Speaker 4: would want to do that to somebody? Right, is it
Speaker 4: because they feel threatened by that person. Yeah, did they
Speaker 4: ask questions They shouldn't have asked. You know, they didn't
Speaker 4: go with the flu.
Speaker 5: And it's very concerning that. I guess their oil didn't work.
Speaker 5: I would I.
Speaker 4: Would make a very bad cult member because I would
Speaker 4: I have questions, you know what I'm saying, and I
Speaker 4: don't have a filter, and I can't be quiet, and
Speaker 4: that would.
Speaker 5: Be seems ease problem.
Speaker 1: So, along with.
Speaker 4: Crazy things like the Order of the Solar Temple, allegations
Speaker 4: of ritual abuse and satanic panic. From the nineteen seventies
Speaker 4: to the nineteen nineties in America and Europe, a lot
Speaker 4: of people claimed abuse, including drugging, sexual abuse, and ritualistic
Speaker 4: poisonings by cults or groups, and some reports the victims
Speaker 4: even mentioned being given oil's ointments or drinks. However, guess what,
Speaker 4: they can't prove it. Nobody wrote things down. They really
Speaker 4: didn't pay attention to the victims. It probably didn't happen.
Speaker 4: You didn't remember that either. I was alive during that
Speaker 4: whole time, and I'm telling you it was some crazy shit.
Speaker 5: Just seeing yep, yep, scary and and the daycare stuff
Speaker 5: like that. One for sure was scary.
Speaker 4: So yeah, and it's you know, and honest to God,
Speaker 4: like things like that are becoming more and more common
Speaker 4: where there's the story in the news, like it seems
Speaker 4: like every week every other week now about abusees, abuse
Speaker 4: and stuff like that, and the schools are covering up
Speaker 4: for it. And you know, it's happened repeatedly in several schools,
Speaker 4: or they're filming kids in the locker rooms or you know,
Speaker 4: the whole nine yards, and then they're selling the videos
Speaker 4: to people. So that kind of stuff happens all the time.
Speaker 4: And have any of those people been held a cannibal?
Speaker 5: No, probably not. No, you know, it's like.
Speaker 4: None of these school boards have resigned, none of the
Speaker 4: principles have resigned, They've not fired anyone. And then what
Speaker 4: do these families do and so kind of like all
Speaker 4: these people that have family members that are in these
Speaker 4: kind of religious situations or whatever, like what kind of
Speaker 4: recourse do you have as a family member or do
Speaker 4: you have any.
Speaker 1: Because they're just going to say we don't believe you.
Speaker 5: Well, there was sure a lot of evidence on Diddy,
Speaker 5: and he's not in jail anymore.
Speaker 4: So of course because he's protected. It's that it's that
Speaker 4: good old boys club.
Speaker 5: Yep, yep. So yeah, watch your kids. Look if I
Speaker 5: could give any good advice on this kind of thing,
Speaker 5: take care of your elders, stop putting him in homes,
Speaker 5: take care of your kids, Watch where they go, watch
Speaker 5: who they're with. You know, you've got to be vigilant.
Speaker 5: And I know we want to all believe like, oh,
Speaker 5: we can just drop our kids off at this activity
Speaker 5: or that activity, like you should be kind of concerned,
Speaker 5: you know. I don't know that I would just do
Speaker 5: that anymore, even though I remember doing that as a kid.
Speaker 1: Right, times have changed, it's very different activities.
Speaker 5: Yeah, whatever, but it's just too scary now. Things are
Speaker 5: really weird percent.
Speaker 4: So, my beautiful darling, thanks for joining me for another
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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Miss Janet. Always a pleasure, and
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