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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Deplorable Cult Nation.

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<v Speaker 2>On Cult of Conspiracy, where halos and shadows collide in.

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<v Speaker 3>Symphony, Angels who whisper their wings brush the void, Faithful

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<v Speaker 3>and fraction truth destroy, Religion's thread waves through the devil,

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<v Speaker 3>and madness dances on the border.

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<v Speaker 2>Lo is it prophecy, a psychosis unseen, a sacred dream

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<v Speaker 2>or reminds machine so jocat. Welcome to Deplorable Cult Nation.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Deplorable Nation.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm your host, Deplorable Danna, and today my lovely, beautiful bestie,

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<v Speaker 4>Miss Heidi is back and we are going to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about the anointed ones and what could that mean.

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<v Speaker 5>Probably you know, lots of things.

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<v Speaker 1>How are you, darling, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm excited for this one because you know, I knew

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<v Speaker 5>a guy once that was anointed, well, not in person

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<v Speaker 5>or anything, but you know, it started all religiod.

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<v Speaker 1>True words, true words.

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<v Speaker 4>So we kind of figured that this was fitting because

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<v Speaker 4>it goes along with the you know, the aspect of

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<v Speaker 4>spirituality and the corruption that we see and alternamental states

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<v Speaker 4>and manipulation.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know.

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<v Speaker 4>How bit's used by governments or colts or religions or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>To get people to build into their will and their way,

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<v Speaker 4>so kind of keeping with the theme of things that

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<v Speaker 4>we've been discussing for a while now.

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<v Speaker 5>And angels and it's Christmas, so Merry Christmas exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So for people that don't know, like, anointing oil goes

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<v Speaker 4>back really long ways. Even in the Bible. It talks

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<v Speaker 4>about it in Exodus thirty twenty two through twenty five,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was, you know, God's telling Moses to prepare

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<v Speaker 4>anointing oil. And so they've used it in you know,

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<v Speaker 4>ancient Egyptian times and things like that, because they do

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<v Speaker 4>it to like consecrate keith, kings or priests or you know,

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<v Speaker 4>certain objects or whatever. It's used in healing rituals by

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<v Speaker 4>all different kinds of you know people, Middle Eastern people

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<v Speaker 4>and all that kind of stuff, supposedly providing symbolic protection

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<v Speaker 4>or divine appointment kind of like you were referring to.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, yes, the Mormons definitely consecrate my oil. So I'm

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<v Speaker 5>going to share my little screen while we're chatting here,

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<v Speaker 5>and I did some pictures. Some are funny, just to

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<v Speaker 5>make it, you know, a little little that's my flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not stupid, I think it's funny.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Thank you. I I definitely wanted to add

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<v Speaker 5>something to the show. And like you're saying, with the

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<v Speaker 5>consecration oils, we definitely get down with that business and Mormonism,

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<v Speaker 5>so this isn't Mormonism, but nevertheless, we've got some anointings

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<v Speaker 5>going on here.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, it's kind of funny because talking about

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<v Speaker 4>anointing oil. Catholics are really big into you know, blessing

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<v Speaker 4>with the oil and you know, the forehead and the

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<v Speaker 4>whole nine yards, and so lots of different religions use

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<v Speaker 4>some kind of anointing oil like that or whatever, and so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's been around for uber long time.

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<v Speaker 4>But just like anything else, it's very very manipulated nowadays

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<v Speaker 4>to suit people's desires.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess well.

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<v Speaker 5>And it depends on what they're anointing with. Look, I

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<v Speaker 5>believe in anointing oil for prayer. But here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 5>When it's got a little something in.

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<v Speaker 4>It, a little something something, a little something mixed up.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, no, then we got problems. Then we got maybe

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<v Speaker 5>diddy up in the house.

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<v Speaker 4>So you well, maybe because baby oil was anointed.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't worry, I got you. It'll be coming up. I

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<v Speaker 5>got you.

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<v Speaker 4>So traditionally, like before people started messing with it and

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<v Speaker 4>manipulating it with drugs and stuff. It wasn't just anointing

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<v Speaker 4>oils that they would use. They would use ungeons, which

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<v Speaker 4>are like bombs and stuff, and different salves and things

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<v Speaker 4>like that. Because the skin is the largest organ on

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<v Speaker 4>the body, and so when you manipulate it with anything,

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<v Speaker 4>whether it be drugs or even essential oils, and people

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<v Speaker 4>cut them with carrier oils and stuff like that, which

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<v Speaker 4>you gotta be real careful because that can be toxic

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<v Speaker 4>as well. But when they did start manipulating these things,

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<v Speaker 4>they used hallucinogenics, sedatives, paralyzing agents, aphrodisiacs, which that could

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<v Speaker 4>be a that could be a no no, don't touch

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<v Speaker 4>me there, that's my no no square because you'd be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you'd be like, please touch me.

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<v Speaker 4>And even toxins, so, uh, paralysis oil.

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<v Speaker 5>That's paralysis oil. This is like for massage oil. I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's not really paralyzing maybe your muscle, but I

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<v Speaker 5>thought it fit the theme.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, I'm like what and then we're what does that

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<v Speaker 4>say on the bile bottle says get your life back

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<v Speaker 4>or something?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it does get your life I haven't tried it,

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<v Speaker 5>but man, i'd be down like fast recovery, paralysis, oil,

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<v Speaker 5>get your life back. I guess these people owe us

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<v Speaker 5>some money today. Yipes, pay up y'all.

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<v Speaker 4>So, uh interesting that that that's one of the pictures.

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<v Speaker 4>What about that oil aphrodisiac. You can eat oysters and

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<v Speaker 4>it's supposed to do the same thing, or smell pheromones,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, yummy.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know about the oisters though.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of the you said.

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<v Speaker 5>Moist, Yes, we're gonna be a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>We are going to be a guy.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh boy.

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<v Speaker 4>So some of the reasons why people started doing this

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<v Speaker 4>that during the Middle Ages, they called them witchcraft and

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<v Speaker 4>flying ointments, which I thought was interesting. So they had

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<v Speaker 4>things in him like atropine, belladonna, hinbane, and night shade,

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<v Speaker 4>which they're all kind of in the same family. But

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<v Speaker 4>they used it to again and induce hallucinations, have people

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<v Speaker 4>get out of body experiences. Uh, produced paralysis or even amnesia.

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<v Speaker 5>So this is my out of body experience.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And so that's kind of creepy that that was

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<v Speaker 4>the thing. I mean, why why would they do that

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<v Speaker 4>back in the Middle Ages? What was the what was

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<v Speaker 4>the point other than of course I could understand the

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the amnesia, like they don't want somebody to

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<v Speaker 4>remember something, so telling telling, yeah, paralysis.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if you've ever gave a B and

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<v Speaker 5>O suppository? Have you ever given that? M oh lord?

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<v Speaker 5>You ever want to see some people highest shit? Let

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<v Speaker 5>me tell you the belladonna and opium suppository. They don't

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<v Speaker 5>give it very often. This is an old nurse thing,

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<v Speaker 5>but I will tell you if you have prostate cancer

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<v Speaker 5>and you get the rods and you'll know what that is.

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<v Speaker 5>If that happens to you, ask for those because they

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<v Speaker 5>really will help with the pain there. And these people

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<v Speaker 5>are hysterical.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I can imagine.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's so good because they're like so that's like

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<v Speaker 4>so so so strong.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, couldn't you like.

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<v Speaker 4>With the night shade plants like the belladonna and stuff

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<v Speaker 4>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't you die from those?

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<v Speaker 5>You can? These are straight from the pharmacy, so they're

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<v Speaker 5>probably a synthetic control, but you know they I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if you've ever seen the rods. So they're they're

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<v Speaker 5>about like pins, like a normal pen size. It's about

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<v Speaker 5>twenty of them, all shoved in the taint and they

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<v Speaker 5>have to stay there for a certain amount of time

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<v Speaker 5>because they got to redo it again. I hope this

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<v Speaker 5>has gotten better over the years. I do not do

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<v Speaker 5>this surgery stuff anymore, but back in the day when

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<v Speaker 5>I did, I would see that and I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>I hope this makes you high shit like I don't

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<v Speaker 5>even know, but I hope this will make that stop,

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<v Speaker 5>because it is hysterically horrible and I feel bad Like.

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<v Speaker 1>That made me think about our foreign object show.

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<v Speaker 5>All right, I've been shot.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, a bunch of rods up your.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh it's well, it didn't make it in and it's

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<v Speaker 5>in the in between, which is even worse. Oh, whole

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<v Speaker 5>bunch of beetles stuck in there and you can't move them.

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<v Speaker 5>You have to be super careful and help them, and

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<v Speaker 5>they can't get up clearly. But eh, it's a situation.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a cure.

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<v Speaker 4>But ouch, that would be that would be an awful

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<v Speaker 4>situation to have to go through. I'm just sitting there

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<v Speaker 4>thinking about how tender that area is in the first place,

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<v Speaker 4>and how awful that would be.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so any of you survive that, pats.

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<v Speaker 1>Off like, that's kudos to you.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope you got the b and ol.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, so outside of medicinal uses during the witch trials,

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<v Speaker 4>they also did things like this for poisoning. And so

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<v Speaker 4>again because oil helps the skin absorb things a whole

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<v Speaker 4>lot faster, it makes a good thing to use, especially

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<v Speaker 4>with the anointing oil because as you know, it mask

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<v Speaker 4>any kind of taste or smell or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 4>and it bypasses your digestive system. So that's why they

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<v Speaker 4>use it a lot. And so they were using things

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<v Speaker 4>like aconite, hemlock, man drake data, and opium extracts to

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<v Speaker 4>poison people.

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<v Speaker 5>I like the mandrake because.

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<v Speaker 1>And if if you've ever seen if you ever watch.

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<v Speaker 4>Like if people don't know what man drakes are, if

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<v Speaker 4>you ever watch like Naked and Afraid or whatever, And

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<v Speaker 4>they drop them off in the jungle.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of times they enter through water, and so

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<v Speaker 1>there's always like man drakes before they get like on

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<v Speaker 1>shore to get where they're going to.

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<v Speaker 5>But yeah, they really do look like this is a

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<v Speaker 5>joke one from like a Harry Potter sketch, but they

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<v Speaker 5>really do look like little people kind of they're kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Of yeah, yeah they do.

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<v Speaker 5>So, uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Also these were used in scandals and ancient cult type

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<v Speaker 4>rituals and so they were either using the anointing oils

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<v Speaker 4>or incense to put people in trances to make them

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<v Speaker 4>have higher levels of success, suggest ability to have spiritual

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<v Speaker 4>visions or have euphoric experiences. And they said that the

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<v Speaker 4>Eleusinian mysteries and certain Egyptian rights are suspected of using

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<v Speaker 4>these psychoactive substances.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, baby, you know they do. Hey, we got

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<v Speaker 5>we got people nowadays still using that same old stuff

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<v Speaker 5>for the same thing, for the old Silian They they lie,

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<v Speaker 5>they say they don't, but they do.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of like how mk Alter was supposedly stopped and

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<v Speaker 4>went away, but you know.

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<v Speaker 1>They still do.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, exactly, nothing ever really goes away.

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<v Speaker 5>The mystery schools are still alive and.

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<v Speaker 4>Well one hundred percent. So modern possibilities of why anointing

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<v Speaker 4>oils are used for drugs or poisoning.

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<v Speaker 1>And things that they add to them, so.

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<v Speaker 4>THC and we again did a whole show on THHC

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<v Speaker 4>and how potent strains of cannabis and THC and mushrooms

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<v Speaker 4>and all of that stuff are now And so they

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<v Speaker 4>also add fentanyl probably not a great thing. Sedatives like

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<v Speaker 4>benzodiazepine or derivatives of essential oils again, they can be toxic,

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<v Speaker 4>and so if you use essential oils, you absolutely do

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<v Speaker 4>not need to use a carrier oil with essential oils

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<v Speaker 4>that is blowney. They tell you that because they can

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<v Speaker 4>sell you the carrier oil to go along with it.

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<v Speaker 4>If you have uber sensitive skin, just dilute it a

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<v Speaker 4>little bit with water. You don't need to use an oil.

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<v Speaker 4>Ear issue stuff like that. But uh, scopolamine can also

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<v Speaker 1>Her quickly, Yeah, And we give it all the time.

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<v Speaker 4>and things like that. And so, especially during the COVID lockdown,

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<v Speaker 4>were putting it out there as. But I would strongly

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<v Speaker 5>You know, people are willing to do all anything, all

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<v Speaker 4>And to do some research. Don't be like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 5>And do a test dose. Don't just lather up in

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<v Speaker 4>You mean, they shouldn't slather themselves in it like a mummy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And anything that you're putting on your body, make

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<v Speaker 1>Don't do that.

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<v Speaker 4>So realistic modern dangers again with the essential oils and

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<v Speaker 4>things that can be very toxic in that aspect. Our camphor,

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<v Speaker 4>or scrape or whatever, that was always a thing. Eucalyptus

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<v Speaker 4>very mindful of that. Winter green is the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And clove oil can also be very dangerous for people

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<v Speaker 4>in very high doses. There are good uses for all

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<v Speaker 4>of these, but I would not suggest slugging down a

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<v Speaker 1>Not a good idea. Lucky So.

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<v Speaker 4>Also it can be contaminated with industrial solvents. Some anointing

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<v Speaker 4>Then synthetics or industrial chemicals might have gotten from the

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<v Speaker 4>vaccine manufactures, commit detergents things like that. And drug alteration

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<v Speaker 4>for malicious use is always something that we should be

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<v Speaker 4>looking at because what do we normally do with anointing

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<v Speaker 4>oil the forehead, the hands, or the chest, and so

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<v Speaker 4>those are highly sensitive areas. The chest because it's right

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<v Speaker 4>over the heart area close to the lungs as well,

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<v Speaker 4>and so yeah, hands absorbed really fast. So so abuse

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<v Speaker 4>within religious or cult settings, and it's very, very difficult

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<v Speaker 4>to get super good data on this stuff because a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of times either it's underreported, misreported, or they can't

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<v Speaker 4>do autopsies on people that died or they didn't do

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<v Speaker 4>lab test on people that are still alive. So when

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<v Speaker 4>you go to check for drugs, you really need to

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<v Speaker 4>know what you're checking for, because you can do just

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<v Speaker 4>a basic drug panel, but if it's something specific that

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<v Speaker 4>they put in there, they would never know that, they

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't know what to look for, and so that's a

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<v Speaker 4>huge problem. And that's not just with this kind of business,

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<v Speaker 4>but if there's like suspected metal toxicities or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 4>It's the same thing, like they don't know what to

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<v Speaker 4>look for. Even poisons are like that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you got it from Mexico, but the drugs are

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<v Speaker 5>If you went to the pharmacy, that's all right, But

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<v Speaker 5>if you're getting it from the all natural store, I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know, man, you never know what.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing that they said in cult type settings, and

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<v Speaker 4>we kind of touched on this and our Cult Killing series,

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<v Speaker 4>sedatives or psychoactive agents added to communion drinks, so the

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<v Speaker 4>the like we talked about before, like don't drink the

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<v Speaker 4>kool aid. They can also spike the wine, which has

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<v Speaker 4>been I was going to say, which has been suggested highly.

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<v Speaker 4>They can also use drug incense or smoke, and so

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<v Speaker 4>depending on what kind of happy things they're using, and

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<v Speaker 4>psychoactive detera again and French spiritual movements and so they

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<v Speaker 4>can use these things to create euphoria, dizziness or compliance.

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<v Speaker 1>So kind of like in that anything that they want.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, be aware of you, guys.

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<v Speaker 4>So because it is used in a lot of church settings,

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<v Speaker 4>cult settings, whatever, whatever. So they're trying to get you

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<v Speaker 4>to believe that the hallucinations or euphoria that you feel

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<v Speaker 4>or whatever. They're trying to tie that to your quote faith, right,

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<v Speaker 4>and it actually just becomes a vehicle for them to

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<v Speaker 5>And we're not saying it's in all. These are just

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<v Speaker 5>normal pictures, but you get the idea. You're not saying

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<v Speaker 5>if he did anything, I don't know him.

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<v Speaker 4>And so the spiritual versus the psychological side of this

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<v Speaker 4>is because they're having you know, they have faith and

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<v Speaker 4>somebody's manipulating or twisting it, these people actually go through

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<v Speaker 4>double trauma because they're going through a spiritual trauma when

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<v Speaker 4>they come out the other side of it. But also

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<v Speaker 4>the manipulation side of things, right, messes with you, and

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<v Speaker 4>so they get physically manipulated, spiritually manipulated, and betrayed. And

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<v Speaker 4>these things cause things like cognitive dissonance, sounds familiar spiritual crisis.

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<v Speaker 4>So when something like that happens, or anytime you have

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<v Speaker 4>a bad experience at a church or a cult, if

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<v Speaker 4>you've been in a cult before, when you come out

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<v Speaker 4>the other side, you doubt your belief. You don't think

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<v Speaker 4>there's a God, because why would God let that happen

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<v Speaker 4>to you. So that's common for people to go through

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<v Speaker 4>and things like that. I'm sure sometimes people get psychosis

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<v Speaker 4>like symptoms because these things fracture your psyche and if

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<v Speaker 4>you've already been traumatized and then you are traumatized in

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<v Speaker 4>their spiritual path and whatever, I can understand that. And

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<v Speaker 4>so trauma bonding is a common thing because a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of times people will trauma bond to their abusers.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not happening so much mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 4>And so there's also distrust in in spiritual authority or

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes I would say the flip side of that, where

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<v Speaker 4>your leader can do no wrong and they are, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>especially if you're under their spell per se that you

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<v Speaker 4>literally you think the sun rises and sets with them

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<v Speaker 4>and they could never harm you or do anything bad.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a very creepy picture.

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<v Speaker 5>I have liked this one because it shows like the

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<v Speaker 5>how you're bonded together but i'nhealthy, right, Like it's it's

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<v Speaker 5>supposed to be two people, but they're not. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>Weirdly connected.

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<v Speaker 4>So what we're looking at as a as a black

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<v Speaker 4>it says dependent personality disorder.

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<v Speaker 5>This one was like a cool, Yeah, somebody did a

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<v Speaker 5>good job here.

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<v Speaker 4>And so these things beg the question of not only

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<v Speaker 4>like spiritual abuse or manipulation or whatever, but uh, could

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<v Speaker 4>it also be medical overreach, especially if you're using drugs

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<v Speaker 4>to manipulate people. Because this doesn't happen just in church

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<v Speaker 4>settings or cults. This has happened in government settings, psychology

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<v Speaker 4>test you know, or like.

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<v Speaker 1>This, didies all cute?

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<v Speaker 4>Diddy's baby oil a thousand times slicker than ever freakoff dish?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, you better believe I told you I had.

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<v Speaker 1>You directions for use. What does it say?

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<v Speaker 5>Let's see stud maybe heated and reapplied every five minutes,

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<v Speaker 5>so we'll be listening under the light by the diddler.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh so if you want to get super shiny during

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<v Speaker 4>your freakoff edition.

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<v Speaker 5>Clinically freak approved it.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do you know if you're oil?

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<v Speaker 4>If the anointing oil was altered into ditty oil other

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<v Speaker 4>than someone touching you, you know you're going to feel

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<v Speaker 4>a certain type of way. So you may have depending

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<v Speaker 4>on what they spiked it with. Unexpected tingling numbness, burning

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<v Speaker 4>tangles above for tingles below. Probably all it depends on

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<v Speaker 4>again on what they spiked it with. And if you're

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<v Speaker 4>burning mm that did Ditty's baby oil Puffi's protection a

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<v Speaker 4>thousand bottles.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, we had to do it. We we should start

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<v Speaker 5>making shirts for these us.

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<v Speaker 1>We should.

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<v Speaker 4>So you might also get dizzy or have confusion or

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<v Speaker 4>have a u for it feeling, especially if they spiked

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<v Speaker 4>it with some kind of opiate. Always a thing time distortion,

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<v Speaker 4>and so if you've got maps, lapses in your memory

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<v Speaker 4>or perception of time, anything like that, that's highly concerning.

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<v Speaker 4>So if you start feeling these things, these are not

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<v Speaker 4>intervention from the Holy Spirit. This is something else at work.

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<v Speaker 5>It's diddy.

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<v Speaker 4>It could be diddy again. Outs so skin irritation, a

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<v Speaker 4>strong chemical smell, or excessive sedation or sleepiness. So they

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<v Speaker 4>could do lab test, but like I said, you have

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<v Speaker 4>to know what to look for, and so they could

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<v Speaker 4>look for plant alkaloids, synthetic psychoactive drugs, heavy metals, solvents, opiates, cannabinoids,

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<v Speaker 4>but you have to have an idea of what it

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<v Speaker 4>is or they can't order the test, or if they do,

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<v Speaker 4>it's going to be uber expensive to litter early test

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<v Speaker 4>for everything under the sun, and then are they going

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<v Speaker 4>to find it? Because how fast does some of those

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<v Speaker 4>metabolize out of your body?

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<v Speaker 5>Fast? Fast? So, especially if we've got GHB or something

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<v Speaker 5>involved with like, it's just not good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yep.

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<v Speaker 4>So the anointed one or a ka the Messiah. So

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<v Speaker 4>in Hebrew mashiak it means the anointed one. In Greek

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<v Speaker 4>Christos means the same thing. And so historically speaking and

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<v Speaker 4>biblically speaking, anointing oil was used for define appointment, special

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<v Speaker 4>spiritual authority, prophetic calling, or kingsmanship. And so it was

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<v Speaker 4>a very simball, like you know, beloved thing that they

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<v Speaker 4>is kind of a ritual.

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<v Speaker 1>And so.

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<v Speaker 4>The the thing is that using this biblical perspective and

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<v Speaker 4>them coming in and manipulating to today's thing is to

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<v Speaker 4>apart or whatever, like it was a divine selection from something,

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00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.799
<v Speaker 4>but it certainly probably was not from God or the

425
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:40.599
<v Speaker 4>Holy Spirit.

426
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:43.640
<v Speaker 1>So you may.

427
00:32:46.160 --> 00:32:50.640
<v Speaker 4>Joseph Smith, the psychedelic Smith kind of looks like the

428
00:32:52.480 --> 00:32:55.519
<v Speaker 4>kind of looks like the artwork that I did for

429
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:59.480
<v Speaker 4>our drug episode.

430
00:32:58.640 --> 00:33:03.559
<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, they say he had some knowledge of alchemy,

431
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:07.599
<v Speaker 5>so maybe he was the early form of the Oh,

432
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:08.240
<v Speaker 5>we're not.

433
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Saying that it's possible. You never know.

434
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 5>I'm seazing.

435
00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:18.839
<v Speaker 4>So some of these people that that go through these

436
00:33:18.880 --> 00:33:22.200
<v Speaker 4>things and you know, whether it's divine selection or they

437
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:28.079
<v Speaker 4>feel like they were giving given a special message right

438
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:34.279
<v Speaker 4>or special mission to carry out or whatever, or that

439
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 4>they're a profit or a chosen vessel or or something.

440
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:42.680
<v Speaker 5>And we're not saying there's not those We're just saying

441
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 5>there are people that do bad things every day and

442
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.000
<v Speaker 5>then you're drinking kool aid in the middle of some

443
00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.640
<v Speaker 5>field and it's a bad day. So just be aware.

444
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:54.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So.

445
00:33:55.839 --> 00:34:00.359
<v Speaker 4>People that go through these kind of things where it's

446
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.839
<v Speaker 4>more on the psychosis side of stuff than an actual

447
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.839
<v Speaker 4>spiritual awakening, like we talked about on the last show,

448
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:15.079
<v Speaker 4>people who have been through extreme stress trauma, even people

449
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.760
<v Speaker 4>that have been fasting for long periods of time, which

450
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 4>fasting for long periods of time is not super healthy

451
00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:27.360
<v Speaker 4>for us because our body breaks down and it starts

452
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:31.039
<v Speaker 4>to break down muscle and brain tissue and all of

453
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:33.199
<v Speaker 4>that kind of stuff, and we get a little crazy.

454
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 4>People that are socially isolated, people that never sleep, people

455
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 4>that use a lot of psychoactive plants hence cannabinoids, mushrooms,

456
00:34:50.679 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 4>stuff like that, have neurological conditions or spiritual practices or

457
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:08.400
<v Speaker 4>experiences where they're like chanting and trance like or laying

458
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:10.360
<v Speaker 4>on a pans or things.

459
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 5>Like whirling twirlers. And I'm not saying, look, some of

460
00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 5>this stuff isn't terrible, but like every people, if it's

461
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.199
<v Speaker 5>an aspirin, people do one as good, ten as better.

462
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:23.639
<v Speaker 5>So that's all we're saying here.

463
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, watch what you're doing and pay attention to

464
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:33.519
<v Speaker 4>stuff like that. And especially since everything is so much

465
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:40.360
<v Speaker 4>stronger now and altered bioengineer, genetically altered, you don't know

466
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 4>what's in it, what it's grown in. Like we talked

467
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:53.199
<v Speaker 4>about before, there's no regulation on it. So anyways, people

468
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 4>that go through these traumas and things like that tend

469
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:02.320
<v Speaker 4>to be a little bit more succept two stuff like

470
00:36:02.400 --> 00:36:04.599
<v Speaker 4>that because they're already in a weakened state.

471
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 1>And so if you look at it from the aspect of.

472
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 4>With this manipulation, is it kind of like a demonic

473
00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:19.199
<v Speaker 4>attack going on at the same time, because he loves

474
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 4>to look for weakness or loopholes that he can use

475
00:36:23.559 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 4>against us. And so especially if you've had any kind

476
00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:33.079
<v Speaker 4>of trauma where you never felt accepted or wanted or

477
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:38.519
<v Speaker 4>needed or whatever, you would probably be more likely if

478
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:43.880
<v Speaker 4>you went through one of these special anointing ceremonies to

479
00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 4>feel like you were actually a chosen person.

480
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.840
<v Speaker 5>And you may be, but you gotta be careful because

481
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:55.639
<v Speaker 5>I mean, if you're doing it purposely with an intention, like,

482
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.400
<v Speaker 5>there's just so much that goes into this where you're

483
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:04.280
<v Speaker 5>pre programming, So careful, check your spirit, yeah, check it all.

484
00:37:04.840 --> 00:37:07.559
<v Speaker 5>Make sure we're not like me and Janet are both

485
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:12.440
<v Speaker 5>very Christian people, but we've seen this take place, especially me,

486
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure with Janet time and time again, with people

487
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.920
<v Speaker 5>in callings. So not that they do not happen, yes.

488
00:37:20.599 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 4>One hundred percent, and you know, not saying it doesn't happen,

489
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:30.679
<v Speaker 4>because people do have spiritual awakenings and they do have

490
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:36.119
<v Speaker 4>callings for a better purpose, a divine purpose that actually

491
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:41.079
<v Speaker 4>comes from God. But when you're being manipulated by someone else,

492
00:37:41.760 --> 00:37:44.039
<v Speaker 4>a human being, that's not a calling.

493
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>They're saying. There's a big difference.

494
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 5>And so.

495
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:55.079
<v Speaker 4>You know, of course there's with the ancient examples like

496
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 4>we talked about before, and they could even use lotus oil,

497
00:37:59.599 --> 00:38:04.000
<v Speaker 4>which is also mildly psychoactive.

498
00:38:04.320 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 1>And so.

499
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:12.679
<v Speaker 4>Note for people that like specialty t's and stuff, you

500
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:16.800
<v Speaker 4>can actually buy lotus flowers and stuff like that to

501
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.880
<v Speaker 4>put in your tea. I would be very careful and

502
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 4>if you have like any kind of altered state after

503
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.760
<v Speaker 4>using that, I would probably stop.

504
00:38:26.920 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Just saying.

505
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:42.239
<v Speaker 4>So modern fringe sects, sect.

506
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 5>We're not talking about that.

507
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.480
<v Speaker 1>We're not talking about the three letter word.

508
00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:42.880
<v Speaker 5>No.

509
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:50.760
<v Speaker 4>So modern friend sects and cults not only did they

510
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 4>use essential oils laced with sedatives, they also used d

511
00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:06.960
<v Speaker 4>MT okay coactive ointments inhaled oils, repetitive chanting and sensory

512
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 4>overload because that breaks somebody's psyche as well, and fasting,

513
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:19.880
<v Speaker 4>plus scented oils to intensify trance like states. So you're

514
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.880
<v Speaker 4>not getting it just through anointing oils. They're using it

515
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 4>in all kinds of ways. So imagine you're on a

516
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:38.039
<v Speaker 4>DMT trip. Oh yeah, kind of like that where it

517
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:42.159
<v Speaker 4>looks like your head is just swirly colors and circles.

518
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.079
<v Speaker 5>It's the swirling wirlies.

519
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Yes, So imagine though, being like.

520
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.039
<v Speaker 4>In a church or cult type setting or whatever, and

521
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:58.760
<v Speaker 4>you're on DMT, and you know, the stuff that people

522
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 4>see whether they're on one of these trips are vivid

523
00:40:03.440 --> 00:40:10.119
<v Speaker 4>and crazy, and they're supposed to wink wink, show you

524
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.880
<v Speaker 4>your spiritual path or spiritual journey or whatever, how you

525
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.840
<v Speaker 4>can heal yourself or.

526
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Whatever.

527
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.920
<v Speaker 4>So imagine the things that would come up during one

528
00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.079
<v Speaker 4>of those trips, especially if if they're in a trance

529
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:32.239
<v Speaker 4>type state and somebody is speaking over them or speaking

530
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.320
<v Speaker 4>to them while they're in this state. That would be crazy.

531
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:40.519
<v Speaker 5>Well, and you just never know. You might have had

532
00:40:40.559 --> 00:40:43.280
<v Speaker 5>a good trip the first time, second time might not

533
00:40:43.360 --> 00:40:43.880
<v Speaker 5>be the same.

534
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:48.800
<v Speaker 4>Careful, Yeah, it wouldn't be my favorite type of thing.

535
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 4>So but you know, again, they manipulate people because they

536
00:40:55.559 --> 00:41:00.400
<v Speaker 4>think they're part of something, They belong to some thing,

537
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.920
<v Speaker 4>they have a better sense of purpose, They believe that

538
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.679
<v Speaker 4>they have divine protection. Now, which if it didn't come

539
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 4>from God, you don't have divine protection, you know what

540
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:21.760
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying. Oh yeah, visions, voices, things like that, you know,

541
00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:28.719
<v Speaker 4>mission driven, purpose, path, et cetera, et cetera. And so

542
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:34.000
<v Speaker 4>it can occur, like we said, from a spiritual awakening,

543
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 4>but it can also happen in mysticism mystical experiences. There

544
00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Speaker 4>are all kinds of people that cast spells and do

545
00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:50.719
<v Speaker 4>all the things right. Happens in psychosis patients as well,

546
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 4>and so cult indoctrination is is kind of the same

547
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:03.440
<v Speaker 4>kind of thing. Just come on in, we accept everybody,

548
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 4>We love you, we love you for who you are,

549
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:12.159
<v Speaker 4>and it makes you feel like like you belong in

550
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 4>your one and then they've literally got you by the

551
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 4>go dance wherever, forever, ever until.

552
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.440
<v Speaker 5>You wake up, forever, until you don't wake up. Because

553
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 5>it's a little scarier on.

554
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:35.760
<v Speaker 4>So why do groups decide they're gonna drug and manipulate

555
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.719
<v Speaker 4>people control and obedience?

556
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:40.840
<v Speaker 1>Right, If you can.

557
00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:45.760
<v Speaker 4>Make somebody believe that they were chosen, then they're not

558
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:50.679
<v Speaker 4>gonna make waves in the group. So even if you

559
00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:56.519
<v Speaker 4>know you're approached by I don't know whatever and ac

560
00:42:56.639 --> 00:43:00.920
<v Speaker 4>cult society, right, and they're like, oh, come join us,

561
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:03.840
<v Speaker 4>like you could belong here, and oh we'd love to

562
00:43:03.880 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 4>have you. We need somebody just like you. That's how

563
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:12.320
<v Speaker 4>they get you, right, that's their stick. Oh yeah, So

564
00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:17.039
<v Speaker 4>bringing everybody in and making them feel like they belong

565
00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:21.079
<v Speaker 4>and they're needed and loved and have a mission and

566
00:43:21.119 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 4>a purpose in this group. That creates that deep loyalty, right,

567
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:32.679
<v Speaker 4>and so deep devotion to the group and to the

568
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 4>leaders and the whole nine yards, and who would stray

569
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:44.400
<v Speaker 4>from that? And so spiritual authority as well, and mystical

570
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:50.440
<v Speaker 4>bonding because shared altered states create a feeling of divine

571
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:56.320
<v Speaker 4>connection and so kind of like with the Jonestown and

572
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.599
<v Speaker 4>several of the other cult things that we talked about

573
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:07.119
<v Speaker 4>on our series, they felt like they were like the

574
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:12.400
<v Speaker 4>divine religion, the chosen people, you know, and they had

575
00:44:12.440 --> 00:44:16.559
<v Speaker 4>this connection inside their group that no one else has

576
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:17.000
<v Speaker 4>with them.

577
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:18.920
<v Speaker 1>And a lot of religions do this.

578
00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:24.159
<v Speaker 4>If you are part of they're inner circle, that's the

579
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:28.880
<v Speaker 4>only people you're supposed to speak to or be around,

580
00:44:29.079 --> 00:44:33.320
<v Speaker 4>and everybody else is considered an outsider or an unclean.

581
00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:42.000
<v Speaker 4>So there's lots of religions that believe that. And because

582
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.599
<v Speaker 4>they've got you on the hook for all of these things, right,

583
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:49.760
<v Speaker 4>it makes you more likely to also try to recruit

584
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 4>other people into the group, especially anybody weak, vulnerable, feeling

585
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 4>law lost, filling alone.

586
00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>That's what the target is. Oh yeah, So.

587
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:18.239
<v Speaker 4>Historical and anthropological evidence that some religious or cultured groups

588
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:29.199
<v Speaker 4>worldwide use psychoactive substances like mushrooms, peyote, hallucinogenics, and they

589
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 4>used them and rituals a lot of times to do

590
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:37.400
<v Speaker 4>that altered state of consciousness, and so there's a lot

591
00:45:37.480 --> 00:45:42.840
<v Speaker 4>of instances of people doing that sort of thing. In

592
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 4>more recent decades, research into drug use and cult shows

593
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:52.920
<v Speaker 4>a wide variation. Some cult like or high controlled groups

594
00:45:53.480 --> 00:46:00.559
<v Speaker 4>abstain entirely from drugs, and others use or coersa people

595
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:04.079
<v Speaker 4>into using these things. Like if you're going to belong,

596
00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.480
<v Speaker 4>you all got to be on DMT, let's go for.

597
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:09.239
<v Speaker 1>It, kind of like.

598
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:12.519
<v Speaker 4>Charles Manson's Little Group.

599
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.280
<v Speaker 5>Definitely drugs, definitely.

600
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 4>So there's been a lot of things like that throughout

601
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:24.719
<v Speaker 4>history where drugs were the main focus of groups.

602
00:46:25.440 --> 00:46:27.599
<v Speaker 1>You know, and then you've got.

603
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 4>Free love and all of these things, because if you

604
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 4>can get somebody to give up all of their inhibitions,

605
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.679
<v Speaker 4>they're easier to control that way.

606
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 5>And you feel like squiggly lines.

607
00:46:41.519 --> 00:46:48.239
<v Speaker 4>Exactly, and you know, there may be some uber look.

608
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:50.559
<v Speaker 4>It kind of looks like an upside down bunny in

609
00:46:50.599 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 4>the center of that. You know, I am not on drugs.

610
00:46:55.400 --> 00:46:57.199
<v Speaker 5>I mean, we're just like this always.

611
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:04.840
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, So there are documented cases of cults or fringe

612
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:10.360
<v Speaker 4>groups using drugs or worse leading to math, mass death

613
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:15.159
<v Speaker 4>and poisoning. So another instance that we talked about on

614
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.280
<v Speaker 4>our cult series was the Order of the Solar Temple

615
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.440
<v Speaker 4>or OTS for short. They had mass murders in the

616
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:31.400
<v Speaker 4>nineteen nineties and two thousands involving poisoning or drugging members

617
00:47:32.119 --> 00:47:36.480
<v Speaker 4>for a spiritual transit because they believe they were going

618
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.920
<v Speaker 4>to be taken up by a spaceship and.

619
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.039
<v Speaker 1>Go to their forever home.

620
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:45.639
<v Speaker 5>And this is how they ended up. We had to

621
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 5>do a drawing because we can't, you know, can't show that.

622
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:56.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so interesting, right, But and a lot of this

623
00:47:56.800 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 4>stuff ritual abuse, a cult abuse, or drug related ritual

624
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:07.719
<v Speaker 4>trauma may be alleged, but like I said earlier, they can't.

625
00:48:08.199 --> 00:48:12.760
<v Speaker 4>There's not enough proof to back it up. Even and

626
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:18.199
<v Speaker 4>here's what I hate about this witness or victim shaming, right,

627
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 4>and so they'll come forward and say, you know, they

628
00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:26.400
<v Speaker 4>were drugging us with X, Y and Z, these are

629
00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 4>the things that happened to us whatever, and most quote

630
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 4>unquote experts would say that these people were misremembering something.

631
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:44.519
<v Speaker 5>Satanic panic. It was all lie. Like I just don't

632
00:48:44.519 --> 00:48:44.920
<v Speaker 5>buy that.

633
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:50.039
<v Speaker 4>But well, and there's even I think it was last year,

634
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:56.119
<v Speaker 4>there was an instance at a preschool where all the

635
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:59.599
<v Speaker 4>kids were like, no, they took us in this room

636
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:03.480
<v Speaker 4>and this all the stuff that happened and whatever, and

637
00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:06.039
<v Speaker 4>they told all these kids that they were making up

638
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:11.280
<v Speaker 4>wild stories. But all of these kids had very vivid

639
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:17.119
<v Speaker 4>explanations and whatever about the things that would happen to

640
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:25.000
<v Speaker 4>them at this particular school and graphic detail, and they're like, Oh,

641
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:28.719
<v Speaker 4>they're making stuff up, they're misremembering. And that's what they

642
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:35.760
<v Speaker 4>do with a lot of these cult or previous church

643
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:40.400
<v Speaker 4>members or you know, whatever is that the victims would

644
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.559
<v Speaker 4>come forward and then a lot of times there was

645
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.360
<v Speaker 4>so much abuse that they would have to go, you know,

646
00:49:47.519 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 4>to therapy, and then the therapists would like do their

647
00:49:52.440 --> 00:49:57.480
<v Speaker 4>work and put them under and recall hidden memories and

648
00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.599
<v Speaker 4>things like that, and then they're like, oh, that's not

649
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:04.079
<v Speaker 4>valid because those are false things. They're false memories. They're

650
00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:08.119
<v Speaker 4>not really pulling up what actually happened to them. And

651
00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:13.639
<v Speaker 4>so not only do people not report because of the

652
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:18.880
<v Speaker 4>victim shaming, but because they're shamed or they're so deeply

653
00:50:18.920 --> 00:50:23.760
<v Speaker 4>traumatized that they can't report things or don't feel safe

654
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:28.360
<v Speaker 4>reporting things. They don't feel safe period, because what if

655
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.599
<v Speaker 4>members of the police force were also in this group.

656
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:38.000
<v Speaker 5>Right, Well, you'd feel pretty damn let down's for sure.

657
00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 4>So think about like all the stories about like Epstein

658
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:55.800
<v Speaker 4>and other deadlers, right, and then how either they get

659
00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:02.480
<v Speaker 4>off scot free or they may serve like probation or

660
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:07.920
<v Speaker 4>like six months jail time and then you're free or whatever.

661
00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:12.199
<v Speaker 4>And that kind of stuff happens all the time. So

662
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:18.519
<v Speaker 4>with these groups that are manipulating people and drugging people

663
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:24.119
<v Speaker 4>and whatever, they're kind of a protected class because nothing

664
00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:25.800
<v Speaker 4>ever happens.

665
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 5>It's terrifying to think that, you know, I make jokes

666
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.960
<v Speaker 5>about Mormons, but they don't go this far usually. I mean,

667
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 5>there are some cases of SRA and stuff like that

668
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.519
<v Speaker 5>in the church, but you know, when we look at

669
00:51:39.519 --> 00:51:42.320
<v Speaker 5>these things, definitely when it gets to a next level cult.

670
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:46.679
<v Speaker 5>This is a next level cult. The Order of the

671
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:48.599
<v Speaker 5>Solar Temple is a really big one that you can

672
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 5>look at and I'm sorry, did we not have neighbors?

673
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.719
<v Speaker 5>I just have a question. And even if the person

674
00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:57.760
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to do it, like at this point, if

675
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:00.079
<v Speaker 5>you're in and you don't have a way out, and

676
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:02.760
<v Speaker 5>you've disconnected from everyone, what are you going to do?

677
00:52:03.280 --> 00:52:06.000
<v Speaker 5>You know, honestly you would say leave, But like if

678
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:07.440
<v Speaker 5>you're in that mindset.

679
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:11.239
<v Speaker 4>Well, and that's like we talked about on the Cult series,

680
00:52:11.400 --> 00:52:14.280
<v Speaker 4>is that you know, that's what a lot of these

681
00:52:14.559 --> 00:52:17.760
<v Speaker 4>things will do. They'll isolate you from your friends, your

682
00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.960
<v Speaker 4>family or whatever, so that you don't have anyone to

683
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.760
<v Speaker 4>rely on. You don't have any way to get out,

684
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:28.440
<v Speaker 4>you don't have any place safe that you can go.

685
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:35.519
<v Speaker 4>Maybe you're completely broke and you can't leave, and that's

686
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:41.840
<v Speaker 4>done on purpose. And also, which I found interesting, is

687
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:45.760
<v Speaker 4>a lot of times when these groups get you under

688
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 4>this spell and drug you up and whatever, it said

689
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:55.239
<v Speaker 4>that people are also more likely to give.

690
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Like tithing type stuff.

691
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 4>So what they got, they're not getting you to give

692
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:05.079
<v Speaker 4>them their twenty percent, and so they're going to drug

693
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:08.119
<v Speaker 4>you so that you'll be like, oh, I'll just give

694
00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.880
<v Speaker 4>you everything I own.

695
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:15.880
<v Speaker 5>And they do scarily. It's not in this life in

696
00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:19.440
<v Speaker 5>another because sometimes they sign over houses to churches and

697
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:20.400
<v Speaker 5>all kinds of things.

698
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:23.880
<v Speaker 4>That's crazy to me that that that's a thing, but.

699
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:26.679
<v Speaker 1>Whatever, but yeah, I'm open.

700
00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:33.320
<v Speaker 4>There's so many instances of you know, why people don't leave,

701
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 4>why people don't report it, and why people some people

702
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:42.960
<v Speaker 4>are very susceptible to the manipulation in the first place,

703
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:44.760
<v Speaker 4>where others are not.

704
00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:53.599
<v Speaker 5>So Yes, it can be just I just think that

705
00:53:53.679 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 5>people need to know there is more outlets than what

706
00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:01.639
<v Speaker 5>we realize, Like you can get help, and you should.

707
00:54:01.920 --> 00:54:04.679
<v Speaker 5>If you want out, get out. If you think it's dangerous,

708
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:07.519
<v Speaker 5>don't wait till the kool aid comes. Like, let's be

709
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:12.559
<v Speaker 5>real here. You should be afraid, and you know we're

710
00:54:12.559 --> 00:54:15.079
<v Speaker 5>in and we're in the forever. Let's see. Make it stop.

711
00:54:16.840 --> 00:54:19.000
<v Speaker 5>You gotta make that forever stop. I don't know how.

712
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like the echo, echo echo.

713
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 5>I'm always like, oh, let's see did it remove? No,

714
00:54:25.679 --> 00:54:31.639
<v Speaker 5>not yet removed from stage? There we go okay, because

715
00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:34.559
<v Speaker 5>if we don't, if you don't do anything, and you

716
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:36.679
<v Speaker 5>just go along and just go along and just and

717
00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:40.840
<v Speaker 5>if you're that type of person, you you know, if

718
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.119
<v Speaker 5>you happen to be watching this show, you need a

719
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:47.519
<v Speaker 5>backup plan. If you have fear that that something bad

720
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.519
<v Speaker 5>is going to happen, don't wait till that bad thing happens,

721
00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.559
<v Speaker 5>because then you're probably not leaving at that day. You know,

722
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:55.880
<v Speaker 5>these things just happen.

723
00:54:56.360 --> 00:54:59.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And it's really scary to think that there are

724
00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:04.320
<v Speaker 4>so many people that are in that situation where they

725
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:07.559
<v Speaker 4>don't know who to ask for help. There is no

726
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:10.360
<v Speaker 4>one to ask for help, and are they going to

727
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:15.000
<v Speaker 4>rely on a stranger yeah, and or tell and hope

728
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 4>for their good grace to help them.

729
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.159
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. It's sad because I don't think a lot of

730
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 5>people would even question it. I mean, when we get

731
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.039
<v Speaker 5>into things like Heaven's Gate and they're chopping their dicks

732
00:55:27.079 --> 00:55:30.760
<v Speaker 5>off in the shed. Look, I mean, okay, they're balls.

733
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.599
<v Speaker 5>It wasn't their dicks, but I don't think I hope

734
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 5>it wasn't.

735
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 1>It could have been that too, who knows.

736
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:40.880
<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh. But you know, if that level where

737
00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 5>you're like, yeah, seems like a good idea, yikes. If

738
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:48.719
<v Speaker 5>you're the guy behind him, help and hold the leather

739
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.639
<v Speaker 5>strap that he's biting, probably time to go.

740
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Well. And if you.

741
00:55:55.079 --> 00:56:01.519
<v Speaker 4>Are the type of person that you're so in need

742
00:56:01.840 --> 00:56:07.239
<v Speaker 4>of the community and the belonging and whatever that you're

743
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:13.559
<v Speaker 4>willing to self mutilate to be a part of something

744
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:19.159
<v Speaker 4>that's concerning, because there's something probably going on in your

745
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.320
<v Speaker 4>own psyche that needs evaluated.

746
00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 5>I mean, we all want to be in the club,

747
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.840
<v Speaker 5>but let's be honest, if you're chopping body parts off,

748
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:31.480
<v Speaker 5>it's a problem. Like I wouldn't stay that long. Like

749
00:56:31.559 --> 00:56:34.519
<v Speaker 5>I don't know, but I mean I do realize some

750
00:56:34.559 --> 00:56:37.519
<v Speaker 5>people are programmed. I mean, the mans and girls were

751
00:56:37.599 --> 00:56:41.639
<v Speaker 5>never quite right honestly. I mean they might have acknowledged

752
00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 5>that they did it and whatever, but they're still mk ultured.

753
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:49.159
<v Speaker 5>So whatever happens sometimes is irreversible. So probably best to

754
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:50.039
<v Speaker 5>get out early.

755
00:56:50.719 --> 00:56:56.199
<v Speaker 4>Right just before that, before that long term damage happens.

756
00:56:56.280 --> 00:56:57.719
<v Speaker 1>That's so scary.

757
00:56:57.360 --> 00:57:01.920
<v Speaker 5>Though, Very someths that we've done on this series have

758
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 5>been really like whoa.

759
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.760
<v Speaker 1>You know, right, like eye opening and whatever.

760
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:10.880
<v Speaker 4>And it's so funny that like a lot of these

761
00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:16.360
<v Speaker 4>things that we've been talking about, like people don't realize

762
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:22.519
<v Speaker 4>like how much all of this stuff ties together and

763
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:30.840
<v Speaker 4>the amount of manipulation in everyday life that there is,

764
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:34.320
<v Speaker 4>So it's crazy to me.

765
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:38.639
<v Speaker 5>It's concerning. Yeah, So if you're seeing angels after your

766
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:42.679
<v Speaker 5>communion at church and it's not just you know, divine

767
00:57:43.119 --> 00:57:47.039
<v Speaker 5>type of situation keeps happening, you should probably be questioning that.

768
00:57:48.039 --> 00:57:51.880
<v Speaker 4>Hopefully that's not happening, and it only happens in your church,

769
00:57:53.159 --> 00:57:57.760
<v Speaker 4>then I would be highly suspect. Now if you had

770
00:57:57.760 --> 00:58:01.480
<v Speaker 4>an instance, but then you have things happen to you

771
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:08.280
<v Speaker 4>outside of church, I would be a little more or

772
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:11.599
<v Speaker 4>a little a little less likely to be like the

773
00:58:11.719 --> 00:58:14.920
<v Speaker 4>church is drugging me, you know what I mean, or

774
00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:15.639
<v Speaker 4>the cult.

775
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 5>That's happening mainstream anymore. But yeah, I mean anything as possible.

776
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 5>We hear a lot of weird stuff at churches too.

777
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 5>I mean, let's not pretend some of the top of

778
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:28.519
<v Speaker 5>the top. And I'm not talking about Mormons here. You

779
00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:32.039
<v Speaker 5>guys know who they are. You know, the ditty oil

780
00:58:32.119 --> 00:58:35.000
<v Speaker 5>themselves like and they didn't even have to they just

781
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:37.400
<v Speaker 5>they just did it right.

782
00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.199
<v Speaker 1>And there's so much scandal.

783
00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:42.719
<v Speaker 4>And I think that's why a lot of people are

784
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:49.079
<v Speaker 4>very turned off to quote religion, because they had a

785
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:54.920
<v Speaker 4>horrific or terrifying experience or a bad experience in a

786
00:58:55.039 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 4>church and they're relating belief and religion, which are are

787
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:03.960
<v Speaker 4>totally different things.

788
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.880
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, yep. And we're not discounting spiritual awakenings. We're

789
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:12.480
<v Speaker 5>just saying be aware beyond you know what, just think

790
00:59:12.679 --> 00:59:16.320
<v Speaker 5>this is my theology. Everyone is a serial killer until

791
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:19.840
<v Speaker 5>you prove me otherwise. Saved my ass a lot.

792
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 4>I'll tell you what, or I'm gonna say like the

793
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:31.760
<v Speaker 4>slipknot song, people equal shit. That is true because we

794
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:38.679
<v Speaker 4>all have very bad characteristics traits. We can say bad things,

795
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:40.559
<v Speaker 4>do bad things.

796
00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.760
<v Speaker 1>You know whatever. It's not until you.

797
00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:48.639
<v Speaker 4>Decide to change or whatever for the better that that

798
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:52.000
<v Speaker 4>you know you gotta be a better person.

799
00:59:52.599 --> 00:59:55.519
<v Speaker 5>Should never be co dependent on any other existence, no

800
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:58.639
<v Speaker 5>matter how much you love somebody. So if that is

801
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.880
<v Speaker 5>a church member or even your spouse, like you should

802
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:05.000
<v Speaker 5>compliment each other, but you shouldn't be like attached like

803
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:08.119
<v Speaker 5>that weird picture, Like it's not like that. It shouldn't

804
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:12.159
<v Speaker 5>be terrifying to be without them. It shouldn't be terrifying

805
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.159
<v Speaker 5>to be by yourself sometimes it I mean, I would

806
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 5>prefer to be with him, but if he's got to

807
01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:21.280
<v Speaker 5>work or something like, life is life, Like you shouldn't

808
01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 5>need to feel like that.

809
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:27.199
<v Speaker 4>So right, like if they if they leave to go

810
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 4>to the work or leave to go to this store,

811
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:31.159
<v Speaker 4>like you're gonna die if they're not there.

812
01:00:33.039 --> 01:00:36.039
<v Speaker 5>And church and church members as well, like if that's

813
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:38.159
<v Speaker 5>the only church you can go to, and that guy

814
01:00:38.280 --> 01:00:40.719
<v Speaker 5>is like the only guy, not because of love or

815
01:00:41.239 --> 01:00:44.519
<v Speaker 5>happiness or or a good feeling. Like it's this weird bonded,

816
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.679
<v Speaker 5>strange thing. You should probably check into that because maybe

817
01:00:47.679 --> 01:00:50.679
<v Speaker 5>they didn't do anything. Maybe that's a youth thing and

818
01:00:50.719 --> 01:00:52.920
<v Speaker 5>you're trying, like you said, trauma bonding and all that,

819
01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:56.320
<v Speaker 5>you can do that to yourself on accident, like people

820
01:00:56.320 --> 01:00:58.719
<v Speaker 5>do it all the time, like oh, I want church

821
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:01.239
<v Speaker 5>and this guy saved me, but actually he was just

822
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:03.239
<v Speaker 5>being nice and reading his sermon that day, you know

823
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:06.400
<v Speaker 5>what I mean. I mean it sometimes people get too far.

824
01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:11.239
<v Speaker 5>So just get comfortable with yourself in God. This is

825
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:17.559
<v Speaker 5>so important. Journal pray, you know, find your self in

826
01:01:17.599 --> 01:01:22.480
<v Speaker 5>God and like your relationship with him, and then anybody

827
01:01:22.480 --> 01:01:25.039
<v Speaker 5>else that teaches you about God or anything along the way,

828
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:30.440
<v Speaker 5>that's great, but you already have that. That's yours. Right. Yeah,

829
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.559
<v Speaker 5>You're never gonna drink kool aid like that, I promise.

830
01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:37.960
<v Speaker 4>And you know something else that I thought when we

831
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:42.239
<v Speaker 4>are talking about trauma bonding is how a lot of

832
01:01:42.360 --> 01:01:50.800
<v Speaker 4>patients will become dependent on their therapist and they'll actually

833
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:57.199
<v Speaker 4>start to develop feelings for their therapist or vice versa.

834
01:01:57.320 --> 01:02:02.039
<v Speaker 4>The therapist trauma bond with their patient, and you know

835
01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 4>they're they're talking about all these deep, awful, dark things,

836
01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:09.519
<v Speaker 4>and then you know it's like, oh, I can relate

837
01:02:09.599 --> 01:02:12.559
<v Speaker 4>to that as a human being. Oh, I've had these

838
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:18.159
<v Speaker 4>kind of experiences too, And so they become very codependent

839
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:19.079
<v Speaker 4>on each other.

840
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.400
<v Speaker 5>And especially when it's clergy, because you could be doing

841
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:26.840
<v Speaker 5>that same thing with a clergy member, get that close,

842
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.199
<v Speaker 5>and then that it's even more offuscated because nobody's there

843
01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:33.719
<v Speaker 5>to tell you it's not. You know, we take like

844
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:36.920
<v Speaker 5>for therapists and stuff. You're taking, you know, all these

845
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:41.199
<v Speaker 5>tests constantly all year long, saying boundaries and all this stuff.

846
01:02:41.239 --> 01:02:43.159
<v Speaker 5>But I don't know that clergy has to do that.

847
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:45.880
<v Speaker 5>So be careful, be very careful.

848
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:50.719
<v Speaker 4>And I say, well, and could that be why there's

849
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:59.679
<v Speaker 4>so much abuse in the church because there is no

850
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:04.559
<v Speaker 4>bound and because it's like, oh, it's okay because God

851
01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:06.199
<v Speaker 4>told me to love you like that.

852
01:03:06.840 --> 01:03:10.760
<v Speaker 5>Yes exactly. I mean I read a story today about

853
01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:14.639
<v Speaker 5>Joseph Smith and my great ancestor, and it wasn't for

854
01:03:14.719 --> 01:03:16.840
<v Speaker 5>this podcast or anything I was doing studying in a

855
01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:22.199
<v Speaker 5>history book. But and he told her if she didn't

856
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:26.119
<v Speaker 5>marry him, and she was sixteen or seventeen, already married

857
01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:31.000
<v Speaker 5>and pregnant. If they didn't get married and he was

858
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:35.079
<v Speaker 5>married as well, then by a flaming sword, she'd die.

859
01:03:36.559 --> 01:03:38.480
<v Speaker 5>And then this poor lady does, and then they send

860
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:42.280
<v Speaker 5>her husband on permanent missions forever. Xena Huntington is the

861
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.360
<v Speaker 5>name of this woman. And you know, you look at

862
01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:48.840
<v Speaker 5>this story and eventually, like Joseph dies and that she

863
01:03:48.880 --> 01:03:51.039
<v Speaker 5>marries Brigham Young's she was married to him too. And

864
01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:53.199
<v Speaker 5>then at the end of it all, she writes in

865
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:56.320
<v Speaker 5>her journals, you know what, I realize marriage, she just

866
01:03:56.360 --> 01:03:59.000
<v Speaker 5>can't expect anything from it. And love isn't real. I

867
01:03:59.039 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 5>mean I was crushed for her.

868
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:05.199
<v Speaker 4>I was like, ugh, yeah, yeah, because the only thing

869
01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:10.400
<v Speaker 4>that she ever got was the manipulative version and not true,

870
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:15.559
<v Speaker 4>actual love from somebody. But that's the thing is, you know,

871
01:04:16.119 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 4>praying on somebody that's in a week in state again

872
01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:25.400
<v Speaker 4>and manipulating them. And there's a lot of clergy members

873
01:04:25.480 --> 01:04:29.480
<v Speaker 4>and stories about clergy over the years where they do

874
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:38.079
<v Speaker 4>things like that, and they manipulate people into doing things

875
01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:41.639
<v Speaker 4>that they would not normally do and people trust them

876
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:43.199
<v Speaker 4>because they're clergy.

877
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:46.079
<v Speaker 5>Well, and what did they do?

878
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:53.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look at the same thing with like politicians, mayor sheriffs,

879
01:04:54.039 --> 01:05:02.000
<v Speaker 4>anybody of a position of power aka authority it's and

880
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:08.239
<v Speaker 4>people you know are like drawn to that authority figure

881
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.159
<v Speaker 4>or whatever kind of like they're putting them on a

882
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:13.360
<v Speaker 4>pedestal and they could not possibly hurt me.

883
01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:18.239
<v Speaker 1>Sound familiar like our welment? Why would they ever hurt us?

884
01:05:19.480 --> 01:05:22.960
<v Speaker 5>Exactly? And even the story why this why I wanted

885
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:27.559
<v Speaker 5>to do this anointed one was because there is instances

886
01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.800
<v Speaker 5>of people saying that early on in the LDS Church

887
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:36.599
<v Speaker 5>they were using hallucinogenics, mushrooms and alchemy. He knew about alchemy.

888
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:40.360
<v Speaker 5>His mom was a lay midwife and she knew some stuff,

889
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.280
<v Speaker 5>and the dad was very smart as well. People can

890
01:05:43.280 --> 01:05:45.639
<v Speaker 5>look up some stuff on this, but that this was

891
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:49.440
<v Speaker 5>in practice for visions and that it would be like

892
01:05:49.480 --> 01:05:51.800
<v Speaker 5>they would get the anointing on their head with the oil,

893
01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:54.840
<v Speaker 5>and then people were seeing consistently the same types of

894
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.159
<v Speaker 5>things around the same time, so it was like always

895
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:01.719
<v Speaker 5>within this timeframe. And I mean, I think that that

896
01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:05.079
<v Speaker 5>happened back in the day way more than now. But

897
01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:08.920
<v Speaker 5>don't forget why that priest comes down the line with

898
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:12.960
<v Speaker 5>the little thing full of incense. You know, this was

899
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.920
<v Speaker 5>because of all these old cults, they used to do this,

900
01:06:16.119 --> 01:06:19.000
<v Speaker 5>and it was only during the sacrament time and the

901
01:06:19.039 --> 01:06:22.480
<v Speaker 5>mystery religions that they did this intense and they were

902
01:06:22.599 --> 01:06:28.039
<v Speaker 5>using like cannabinoid type substances, and they were forbidden to

903
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:31.639
<v Speaker 5>be used any other time, just during the ceremony. Now,

904
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.079
<v Speaker 5>if you're just high in there talking to Jesus, I

905
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:38.159
<v Speaker 5>mean whatever. But if they're starting to control you and

906
01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:40.320
<v Speaker 5>not telling you and you don't know and things are

907
01:06:40.360 --> 01:06:44.119
<v Speaker 5>without your consent, it becomes a problem. Because too many

908
01:06:44.159 --> 01:06:48.559
<v Speaker 5>people have trauma, too many people have issues. It can

909
01:06:48.639 --> 01:06:52.159
<v Speaker 5>send people over the edge easy. And you know, some

910
01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:54.119
<v Speaker 5>of us were not all built the same.

911
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.960
<v Speaker 4>One hundred percent. And that's why I said a lot

912
01:06:58.039 --> 01:07:02.320
<v Speaker 4>of people are very susceptible to things like that and

913
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:07.079
<v Speaker 4>other people are not. Yes, So I think it depends

914
01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:11.039
<v Speaker 4>on you know, what kind of if you've had traumas,

915
01:07:11.199 --> 01:07:15.079
<v Speaker 4>if you've addressed your traumas, if you've healed from your traumas,

916
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:20.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, or you have any kind of weaknesses or whatever,

917
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:24.760
<v Speaker 4>as far as you know, like feeling lonely or whatever.

918
01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:29.000
<v Speaker 4>Because manipulators can see you coming a mile away.

919
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:36.000
<v Speaker 5>They see it, especially if it's a recent trauma, So

920
01:07:36.719 --> 01:07:40.000
<v Speaker 5>be careful, you know, especially in those recent traumas where

921
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.320
<v Speaker 5>you align yourself. If you met the love of your

922
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:44.559
<v Speaker 5>life two months after a recent trauma.

923
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Probably not probably not so much.

924
01:07:51.760 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 5>You got to be concerned.

925
01:07:53.320 --> 01:08:00.880
<v Speaker 4>Ye, So the the stuff on this, like I said before,

926
01:08:01.079 --> 01:08:07.320
<v Speaker 4>like trying to get actual numbers on any of this,

927
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:13.559
<v Speaker 4>and how awful it is trying to get like actual

928
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:19.239
<v Speaker 4>real data to back things up. And even like experts

929
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:26.680
<v Speaker 4>agree to disagree on stuff, right, because these victims said this,

930
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:29.840
<v Speaker 4>Oh well, I don't think they really meant that I

931
01:08:29.920 --> 01:08:36.560
<v Speaker 4>and the other researchers or completely off the other.

932
01:08:35.600 --> 01:08:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Side of the mountain on things.

933
01:08:37.800 --> 01:08:43.079
<v Speaker 4>But because a lot of these members that reported stuff

934
01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:48.920
<v Speaker 4>would report different instances of things, they're like, oh, well

935
01:08:48.960 --> 01:08:53.479
<v Speaker 4>the stories don't match, so yeah, it couldn't possibly have happened.

936
01:08:53.479 --> 01:08:56.520
<v Speaker 4>And like I said before, with the drugs, like knowing

937
01:08:56.560 --> 01:09:00.159
<v Speaker 4>what to look for, knowing what to test for, did

938
01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:04.199
<v Speaker 4>they test for anything at all? Or they just dismissive

939
01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:08.119
<v Speaker 4>of people, And so not a lot of research on it,

940
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:12.760
<v Speaker 4>not a lot of really great uh like case studies

941
01:09:13.039 --> 01:09:14.560
<v Speaker 4>or anything other than.

942
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:21.039
<v Speaker 5>Some crazy people in the corner. Yeah, like it's I mean,

943
01:09:21.119 --> 01:09:24.159
<v Speaker 5>and then of course you're always going to have everybody saying, oh,

944
01:09:24.199 --> 01:09:26.960
<v Speaker 5>that never happened, Oh we didn't do that. And if

945
01:09:26.960 --> 01:09:29.960
<v Speaker 5>it is a big church, you bet you're asked. That's

946
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:31.000
<v Speaker 5>never coming out.

947
01:09:31.399 --> 01:09:34.479
<v Speaker 4>One hundred percent. Kind of like the Catholic Church are

948
01:09:34.479 --> 01:09:36.199
<v Speaker 4>in picking on a Catholic Church.

949
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.760
<v Speaker 5>But it's labor today.

950
01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:45.199
<v Speaker 4>It's a thing, right because they are so plagued with

951
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.760
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, so much scandal and whatever over the years,

952
01:09:50.399 --> 01:09:55.239
<v Speaker 4>and how much cover up that they do to CYA

953
01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:59.640
<v Speaker 4>and it's it's really not any different than a giant

954
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:05.359
<v Speaker 4>massage organization, right. The good old boys cover for the

955
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:06.600
<v Speaker 4>good old boys.

956
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:11.159
<v Speaker 1>And so you could do whatever you want and get

957
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:11.840
<v Speaker 1>away with it.

958
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.800
<v Speaker 5>And we kind of know about that. Oh no we

959
01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:16.479
<v Speaker 5>don't JK.

960
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we do.

961
01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:27.079
<v Speaker 5>Just what I mean, you know, uh, they've always been there.

962
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:29.279
<v Speaker 5>And so the biggest thing you can do, especial if

963
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:33.000
<v Speaker 5>you're a woman, is protect yourself. Like Janet said, if

964
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:36.399
<v Speaker 5>if you're having a real spiritual awakening, it's not just

965
01:10:36.399 --> 01:10:38.399
<v Speaker 5>going to happen at the same time every time you

966
01:10:38.439 --> 01:10:40.600
<v Speaker 5>take the sacrament on this date, like it's just not

967
01:10:40.680 --> 01:10:41.640
<v Speaker 5>going to be like right.

968
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:44.560
<v Speaker 4>And if that is the case, and you only get

969
01:10:44.600 --> 01:10:47.079
<v Speaker 4>it when you're going for a communion or whatever.

970
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:52.000
<v Speaker 1>You might want to reevaluate where you're going to church.

971
01:10:53.159 --> 01:10:54.920
<v Speaker 5>Yes, be scared.

972
01:10:57.199 --> 01:11:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Like you're if you're in a group and they encourage

973
01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:07.079
<v Speaker 4>every member to use drugs or you know, encourage these

974
01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:11.239
<v Speaker 4>ritualistic ceremonies or whatever, and you start feeling real weird,

975
01:11:12.840 --> 01:11:14.840
<v Speaker 4>having the chinglis and all this stuff.

976
01:11:15.000 --> 01:11:16.199
<v Speaker 5>Old.

977
01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, run run.

978
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:23.159
<v Speaker 5>Thousands of bottles of baby oil. I mean, it made

979
01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:25.880
<v Speaker 5>so much sense when they when they busted that out,

980
01:11:26.039 --> 01:11:29.600
<v Speaker 5>I was like, there, it is. There, it is because

981
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:34.159
<v Speaker 5>you're right like your skin is, and especially, like Janet said,

982
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:36.880
<v Speaker 5>not only your heart but your head. The reason why

983
01:11:36.880 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 5>they put it on your head is right by your brain.

984
01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:42.760
<v Speaker 5>Brain very vascular, you know, one.

985
01:11:42.640 --> 01:11:47.840
<v Speaker 4>Hundred percent, and you know what a better way to

986
01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:53.600
<v Speaker 4>go directly into your nervous system and make you sleepy

987
01:11:53.960 --> 01:11:58.199
<v Speaker 4>or feel like you're paralyzed or you know whatever. And

988
01:11:58.279 --> 01:12:05.359
<v Speaker 4>so it leans to the question of how many more times.

989
01:12:06.560 --> 01:12:07.000
<v Speaker 5>You have.

990
01:12:08.600 --> 01:12:13.199
<v Speaker 4>Things like baby oil or whatever been used because it's

991
01:12:13.319 --> 01:12:15.399
<v Speaker 4>carrier oil and it.

992
01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:17.159
<v Speaker 5>Gets your hair with my special gel.

993
01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:22.359
<v Speaker 1>There's something about mary.

994
01:12:22.760 --> 01:12:28.159
<v Speaker 5>Oh so scary. Yeah, no, it really Honestly, people like it.

995
01:12:27.840 --> 01:12:32.880
<v Speaker 5>It seems so far fetched. People have done worse, oh.

996
01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:37.640
<v Speaker 4>One hundred thousand percent, which you know, and especially like

997
01:12:37.720 --> 01:12:40.560
<v Speaker 4>you pointed out with the with the ditty stuff coming

998
01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:43.880
<v Speaker 4>out with the baby oil, and then we're talking about

999
01:12:44.640 --> 01:12:49.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, spiking oil with stuff and why that's a

1000
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:53.640
<v Speaker 4>big issue because a lot of people are like, oh,

1001
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 4>so he used baby oil.

1002
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:57.119
<v Speaker 1>Whatever, you gotta.

1003
01:12:57.479 --> 01:12:59.880
<v Speaker 5>Give it a little greasy when he touched my arm,

1004
01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:03.560
<v Speaker 5>can you imagine just that quickly, like, oh, he brushed

1005
01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:06.079
<v Speaker 5>up against me, Like it doesn't have to be like

1006
01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:09.319
<v Speaker 5>you're naked getting a massage. That's not what we're talking about.

1007
01:13:09.520 --> 01:13:15.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, no, And that's why, like today's topic brings new

1008
01:13:15.119 --> 01:13:18.640
<v Speaker 4>light to what the point was behind the baby oil.

1009
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:23.319
<v Speaker 4>And think of it too, Like there's always warnings about

1010
01:13:24.920 --> 01:13:28.880
<v Speaker 4>like if you see money laying next to your car,

1011
01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:32.439
<v Speaker 4>like don't bend down and pick it up, or if

1012
01:13:32.479 --> 01:13:37.640
<v Speaker 4>there's like a rag on your door handle or the spot,

1013
01:13:37.720 --> 01:13:41.079
<v Speaker 4>I have to tell like don't touch it. And why

1014
01:13:41.239 --> 01:13:44.840
<v Speaker 4>is that? Because it's transdermal. It goes right through your skin,

1015
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.560
<v Speaker 4>because your skin is the largest organ, so they can

1016
01:13:48.800 --> 01:13:52.640
<v Speaker 4>literally drug you when when you touch these things.

1017
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:57.680
<v Speaker 5>And of the guys in the JFK story that they

1018
01:13:57.720 --> 01:14:00.720
<v Speaker 5>were calling to one of the committees. You know, nobody

1019
01:14:00.760 --> 01:14:03.760
<v Speaker 5>made it to them committees. Anyway, he said, he went

1020
01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:07.000
<v Speaker 5>to his car to your point, and he went to

1021
01:14:07.079 --> 01:14:09.600
<v Speaker 5>open his car handle back then you know, they were

1022
01:14:09.640 --> 01:14:12.479
<v Speaker 5>like the big pull out metal ones, and he said

1023
01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:16.039
<v Speaker 5>he felt something greasy on his hand. He died of

1024
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:18.399
<v Speaker 5>a heart attack. It was probably nitro past one and

1025
01:14:18.439 --> 01:14:22.079
<v Speaker 5>ten percent. You get the scene that saved your life.

1026
01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:25.720
<v Speaker 5>You're having a heart attack. It's paste like a lotion.

1027
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:29.359
<v Speaker 5>It's just this little lotion. It can kill you.

1028
01:14:29.840 --> 01:14:34.880
<v Speaker 4>Like that's just like the scopolamine, you know, And like

1029
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:38.199
<v Speaker 4>I said, they prescribed that. They've even prescribed that for

1030
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.960
<v Speaker 4>like kids that are going on cruises with their parents

1031
01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:42.840
<v Speaker 4>or whatever.

1032
01:14:43.319 --> 01:14:47.640
<v Speaker 5>And asked the people they get the gopalamine lotion. You

1033
01:14:47.760 --> 01:14:54.199
<v Speaker 5>have no idea what people have access to and ury.

1034
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:58.680
<v Speaker 4>So you know, not trying to invoke fear or panic

1035
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:00.760
<v Speaker 4>or anything like that, because that's not.

1036
01:15:00.800 --> 01:15:01.439
<v Speaker 1>The way we live.

1037
01:15:01.640 --> 01:15:07.520
<v Speaker 4>But that's why I said, like, your your skin is

1038
01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:11.439
<v Speaker 4>a good carrier to absorb things like uber uber fast

1039
01:15:12.119 --> 01:15:17.079
<v Speaker 4>and it can go wherever it's meant to go. Whatever

1040
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:20.600
<v Speaker 4>drug they give you can go immediately through your skin.

1041
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:27.399
<v Speaker 4>So because oils are a really good carrier for things

1042
01:15:27.439 --> 01:15:38.319
<v Speaker 4>like fat soluble toxins. Psychoactive plant extracts sedatives, analgesics because hello,

1043
01:15:38.840 --> 01:15:42.439
<v Speaker 4>pain control for your back or for your knee or whatever,

1044
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:50.600
<v Speaker 4>THHC or synthetic cannabinoids. The scopolamine patches the dms O

1045
01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:57.920
<v Speaker 4>because it absorbs your skin, absorbs chemicals very very quickly,

1046
01:15:59.239 --> 01:16:08.000
<v Speaker 4>and and disguises smell penetrate really quickly and can be

1047
01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:12.920
<v Speaker 4>applied without detection. And so be careful what you're picking up,

1048
01:16:13.600 --> 01:16:17.359
<v Speaker 4>Be careful what people putting on you. Be careful when

1049
01:16:17.399 --> 01:16:22.800
<v Speaker 4>someone touches you, especially, I mean somebody you don't know, Like,

1050
01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:23.560
<v Speaker 4>don't be.

1051
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:28.239
<v Speaker 5>Afraid consistently weird, like think of like a weird like

1052
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:30.720
<v Speaker 5>this always happens at this time and then eye trip

1053
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:33.760
<v Speaker 5>out or whatever. It's not just going to be I mean,

1054
01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:36.319
<v Speaker 5>hopefully one random time. I mean it was for the

1055
01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:36.960
<v Speaker 5>day of Kike.

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<v Speaker 4>I But well that's what I say, because like if

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<v Speaker 4>somebody that you don't know comes up to you, like

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01:16:45.039 --> 01:16:48.520
<v Speaker 4>while you're out shopping or something like that, and they're

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01:16:48.560 --> 01:16:54.000
<v Speaker 4>trying to touch on you, like not in a sexual way,

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01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.760
<v Speaker 4>but it's just trying to touch you, Like I yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>like find somebody you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean.

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01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Creepy, creepy stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyways, I don't know about you, but this whole

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01:17:13.039 --> 01:17:18.399
<v Speaker 4>thing makes me like uber uncomfortable thinking about like my

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01:17:18.560 --> 01:17:22.960
<v Speaker 4>childhood growing up, because they did the oil on the

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01:17:23.000 --> 01:17:28.039
<v Speaker 4>forehead all of the time, and sometimes it was like

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01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:34.399
<v Speaker 4>washing your hands and weird, like they put oil on

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01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:40.039
<v Speaker 4>your hand or something, and I'm like, wonder, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if if there's any repress things that I don't remember

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01:17:44.199 --> 01:17:48.079
<v Speaker 4>that are going on back then it just weirds me.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you know, there's definitely times, especially with certain blessings,

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<v Speaker 5>especially with my patriotical blessing, And I don't know if

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<v Speaker 5>it's because they would move like a certain movement they

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01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:06.520
<v Speaker 5>would always lay hands and do oil. I don't know

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01:18:06.520 --> 01:18:10.399
<v Speaker 5>if it was that or if it was like I

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01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:12.279
<v Speaker 5>don't know, I don't know if it was just that

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01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:16.920
<v Speaker 5>movement whatever, But where you felt e ThEC you know,

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01:18:17.199 --> 01:18:21.159
<v Speaker 5>very high kind of and so it makes you wonder

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01:18:21.199 --> 01:18:24.840
<v Speaker 5>sometimes because that's a super special blessing, that one's different

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01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:28.279
<v Speaker 5>than most in the church. You know, your patriotical blessing

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01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:32.520
<v Speaker 5>is pretty special, as is the anointings and washings in

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01:18:32.560 --> 01:18:35.960
<v Speaker 5>the temple. And you know, I had a really bad

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01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:39.199
<v Speaker 5>experience and tripped out really bad in there, and it

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01:18:39.239 --> 01:18:42.560
<v Speaker 5>does make me kind of wonder, like h and maybe

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01:18:42.560 --> 01:18:45.560
<v Speaker 5>it's not even like anything nefarious. Maybe it's like what

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01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:47.920
<v Speaker 5>you said, like cinnamon. I don't know, you know, maybe

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01:18:47.920 --> 01:18:49.479
<v Speaker 5>it was just some weird thing that I had a

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<v Speaker 5>reaction to. But it makes one wonder.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but if it made you feel loopy, that would

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01:18:55.760 --> 01:18:56.920
<v Speaker 4>be highly concerning.

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<v Speaker 5>For me, it was a little weird. Yeah, maybe panic.

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01:19:00.279 --> 01:19:02.039
<v Speaker 5>I know that, And the only things that make me

1094
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:05.800
<v Speaker 5>do that are things like THC and stuff like that

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01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:08.880
<v Speaker 5>immediately panic. And so I don't know if it was

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01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:11.479
<v Speaker 5>trauma based, could have been you know, could have just

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01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:16.640
<v Speaker 5>been tripping out, but like my own self, but who knows.

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<v Speaker 5>Definitely concerning though, definitely something you don't want to if

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<v Speaker 5>it's repeating, you want to be thinking about that, like

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01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:27.000
<v Speaker 5>Janet said, think about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So how about the flip side of it? Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of churches and cults and stuff like that

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01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:40.960
<v Speaker 4>use this to like get members to fall in line

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<v Speaker 4>and whatever.

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01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:46.760
<v Speaker 1>But what if there were certain.

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01:19:48.319 --> 01:19:54.239
<v Speaker 4>Sects or communities or whatever that did it because they

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01:19:54.239 --> 01:20:01.520
<v Speaker 4>were trying to gaslight or discredit you, so like it

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01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:07.279
<v Speaker 4>makes you look crazy, right, Uh, you're you're possessed. Uh,

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01:20:07.319 --> 01:20:11.800
<v Speaker 4>and so you weren't experiencing anything from God, you must

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01:20:11.840 --> 01:20:18.560
<v Speaker 4>be Yeah, the devil is in you now. So uh,

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01:20:18.880 --> 01:20:24.600
<v Speaker 4>like you're always under attack or you're unstable, nobody should

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01:20:24.640 --> 01:20:30.000
<v Speaker 4>believe you, or you're in need of deliverance. So how

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01:20:30.039 --> 01:20:34.520
<v Speaker 4>many times have we heard about things like that where

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01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:37.920
<v Speaker 4>you know they're they've gotta they've got to do these

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01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:42.800
<v Speaker 4>things to deliver you from from evil because evil like

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01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:46.399
<v Speaker 4>has infiltrated you and filled you and whatever. And so

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01:20:46.960 --> 01:20:52.039
<v Speaker 4>how many stories of like serious peddlers and all that, right.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think on some of them. I mean, I

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01:20:55.079 --> 01:20:58.199
<v Speaker 5>will say, for me, Richard Ramirez was possessed by the touble.

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<v Speaker 5>I am telling people right now, like I you could

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01:21:02.000 --> 01:21:06.079
<v Speaker 5>tell me that doesn't happen. I'm telling you he was.

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<v Speaker 4>But look at like the witch trials and stuff like that, right,

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01:21:13.600 --> 01:21:18.520
<v Speaker 4>and and they had that r gut poisoning. But but

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<v Speaker 4>they were like, oh, we gotta burn them at the

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<v Speaker 4>steak because we gotta deliver them.

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<v Speaker 1>They're evil, they're bad.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, Janet whatever, Yeah, Mandela bad you guys. They apparently

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01:21:32.279 --> 01:21:33.840
<v Speaker 5>hung all the witches, they didn't burn them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's not true. Whatever, whatever they're making chills world.

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<v Speaker 5>So if you remember, look, if you remember them being hung,

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<v Speaker 5>I want you to comment. I want you to comment below,

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<v Speaker 5>just because I want to see if anybody remembers it differently,

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01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:53.960
<v Speaker 5>not to like make fun or anything. I'll read it

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01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:57.520
<v Speaker 5>and respond. I'm serious, I will respond. I will respond

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01:21:57.640 --> 01:22:01.439
<v Speaker 5>on the colt and on our page together, or I'm

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<v Speaker 5>just super curious.

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<v Speaker 4>I right, well, and that's what they have to constantly

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01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:13.560
<v Speaker 4>change and rewrite stuff and gaslight us. Right, how again

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01:22:13.760 --> 01:22:17.840
<v Speaker 4>with the gas lighting that we're misremembering things.

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01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:20.920
<v Speaker 5>And if they can do that to us with this

1141
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:23.399
<v Speaker 5>stupid little thing, what are they doing to people that

1142
01:22:23.560 --> 01:22:27.039
<v Speaker 5>really got screwed up? Like this is just some little

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01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:29.640
<v Speaker 5>dumb excerpt out of history that I'm arguing about. Right,

1144
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.119
<v Speaker 5>this is silly, but if they can do but it's

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<v Speaker 5>not right.

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01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.920
<v Speaker 4>But it's not because the gas lighting and the manipulation

1147
01:22:37.439 --> 01:22:43.079
<v Speaker 4>is real, right and there and again it's like you misremembered,

1148
01:22:43.239 --> 01:22:46.439
<v Speaker 4>you don't know what you're talking about. You're crazy. It

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01:22:46.640 --> 01:22:51.000
<v Speaker 4>never happened. It was never like that, and so crazy.

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01:22:51.560 --> 01:22:55.239
<v Speaker 4>How many times have they used the Mandela effect with

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01:22:55.359 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 4>stuff and change things and told us that it never exists?

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01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:07.359
<v Speaker 4>Did the way we remember, remembered, not remembered. Uh supposedly

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01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:11.560
<v Speaker 4>that was a Southern thing coming out of me just then.

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01:23:13.960 --> 01:23:16.800
<v Speaker 5>But yeah, it's true, like cern every time. I'm serious,

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01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:19.479
<v Speaker 5>Like I know, but I'm a conspiracy theorist or whatever.

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01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:21.640
<v Speaker 5>You guys can think whatever you want, but I'm telling you,

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01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:25.920
<v Speaker 5>I remember a lot of different realities, so like not

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01:23:26.319 --> 01:23:29.640
<v Speaker 5>different lifetimes and me like different weird things that they

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01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:33.079
<v Speaker 5>say about history because I love history that I'm like, no,

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01:23:36.039 --> 01:23:37.119
<v Speaker 5>so I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>A little bit of mind control manipulation that they're trying

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01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:46.239
<v Speaker 4>to pull on people because you know, again we're so

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01:23:46.479 --> 01:23:51.279
<v Speaker 4>dumb we misremember or or pull up things that are

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01:23:51.399 --> 01:23:53.039
<v Speaker 4>not true or that never happened.

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01:23:53.079 --> 01:23:53.760
<v Speaker 1>We made them up.

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01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:57.880
<v Speaker 5>So yep, that's why they hate books.

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01:23:58.199 --> 01:24:04.439
<v Speaker 1>So there is a specific.

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01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:12.119
<v Speaker 4>Religion that does this a lot where they discredit people,

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01:24:13.520 --> 01:24:18.319
<v Speaker 4>especially people that even talk about wanting to leave, uh.

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01:24:18.600 --> 01:24:21.439
<v Speaker 1>And then they destroy them. They destroy their lives.

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01:24:22.239 --> 01:24:25.239
<v Speaker 4>You know, they put up signs in their neighborhoods and

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01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:27.720
<v Speaker 4>literally all kinds of crazy stuff.

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01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:34.800
<v Speaker 1>So imagine like on that level, like why.

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01:24:36.399 --> 01:24:38.439
<v Speaker 4>A church would want to do that or a group

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01:24:38.479 --> 01:24:41.479
<v Speaker 4>would want to do that to somebody? Right, is it

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01:24:41.600 --> 01:24:46.560
<v Speaker 4>because they feel threatened by that person. Yeah, did they

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01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:51.800
<v Speaker 4>ask questions They shouldn't have asked. You know, they didn't

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01:24:51.840 --> 01:24:52.600
<v Speaker 4>go with the flu.

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01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:57.520
<v Speaker 5>And it's very concerning that. I guess their oil didn't work.

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01:24:58.279 --> 01:24:59.000
<v Speaker 5>I would I.

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01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:03.359
<v Speaker 4>Would make a very bad cult member because I would

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01:25:04.840 --> 01:25:07.760
<v Speaker 4>I have questions, you know what I'm saying, and I

1183
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:10.960
<v Speaker 4>don't have a filter, and I can't be quiet, and

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01:25:12.199 --> 01:25:12.800
<v Speaker 4>that would.

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<v Speaker 5>Be seems ease problem.

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01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:18.960
<v Speaker 1>So, along with.

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<v Speaker 4>Crazy things like the Order of the Solar Temple, allegations

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01:25:26.319 --> 01:25:31.239
<v Speaker 4>of ritual abuse and satanic panic. From the nineteen seventies

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01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:39.079
<v Speaker 4>to the nineteen nineties in America and Europe, a lot

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01:25:39.119 --> 01:25:45.079
<v Speaker 4>of people claimed abuse, including drugging, sexual abuse, and ritualistic

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01:25:45.239 --> 01:25:52.279
<v Speaker 4>poisonings by cults or groups, and some reports the victims

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01:25:52.319 --> 01:26:00.159
<v Speaker 4>even mentioned being given oil's ointments or drinks. However, guess what,

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01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:05.199
<v Speaker 4>they can't prove it. Nobody wrote things down. They really

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01:26:05.279 --> 01:26:10.239
<v Speaker 4>didn't pay attention to the victims. It probably didn't happen.

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01:26:10.680 --> 01:26:14.399
<v Speaker 4>You didn't remember that either. I was alive during that

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01:26:14.520 --> 01:26:17.640
<v Speaker 4>whole time, and I'm telling you it was some crazy shit.

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01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:25.600
<v Speaker 5>Just seeing yep, yep, scary and and the daycare stuff

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01:26:25.880 --> 01:26:27.680
<v Speaker 5>like that. One for sure was scary.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, and it's you know, and honest to God,

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01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:35.840
<v Speaker 4>like things like that are becoming more and more common

1201
01:26:36.000 --> 01:26:39.479
<v Speaker 4>where there's the story in the news, like it seems

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01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:47.079
<v Speaker 4>like every week every other week now about abusees, abuse

1203
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:51.239
<v Speaker 4>and stuff like that, and the schools are covering up

1204
01:26:51.520 --> 01:26:57.800
<v Speaker 4>for it. And you know, it's happened repeatedly in several schools,

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01:26:58.039 --> 01:27:03.640
<v Speaker 4>or they're filming kids in the locker rooms or you know,

1206
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:08.199
<v Speaker 4>the whole nine yards, and then they're selling the videos

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01:27:08.319 --> 01:27:11.600
<v Speaker 4>to people. So that kind of stuff happens all the time.

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01:27:11.880 --> 01:27:14.680
<v Speaker 4>And have any of those people been held a cannibal?

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01:27:16.520 --> 01:27:19.960
<v Speaker 5>No, probably not. No, you know, it's like.

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01:27:21.600 --> 01:27:24.720
<v Speaker 4>None of these school boards have resigned, none of the

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01:27:24.880 --> 01:27:32.199
<v Speaker 4>principles have resigned, They've not fired anyone. And then what

1212
01:27:32.399 --> 01:27:36.439
<v Speaker 4>do these families do and so kind of like all

1213
01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:41.319
<v Speaker 4>these people that have family members that are in these

1214
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:45.600
<v Speaker 4>kind of religious situations or whatever, like what kind of

1215
01:27:45.720 --> 01:27:48.079
<v Speaker 4>recourse do you have as a family member or do

1216
01:27:48.199 --> 01:27:48.920
<v Speaker 4>you have any.

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01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Because they're just going to say we don't believe you.

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01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:56.199
<v Speaker 5>Well, there was sure a lot of evidence on Diddy,

1219
01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:59.319
<v Speaker 5>and he's not in jail anymore.

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01:27:59.159 --> 01:28:03.520
<v Speaker 4>So of course because he's protected. It's that it's that

1221
01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:04.880
<v Speaker 4>good old boys club.

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01:28:05.920 --> 01:28:09.880
<v Speaker 5>Yep, yep. So yeah, watch your kids. Look if I

1223
01:28:09.960 --> 01:28:12.399
<v Speaker 5>could give any good advice on this kind of thing,

1224
01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:15.920
<v Speaker 5>take care of your elders, stop putting him in homes,

1225
01:28:16.079 --> 01:28:18.520
<v Speaker 5>take care of your kids, Watch where they go, watch

1226
01:28:18.560 --> 01:28:21.800
<v Speaker 5>who they're with. You know, you've got to be vigilant.

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01:28:21.840 --> 01:28:24.119
<v Speaker 5>And I know we want to all believe like, oh,

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01:28:24.199 --> 01:28:26.600
<v Speaker 5>we can just drop our kids off at this activity

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01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:29.840
<v Speaker 5>or that activity, like you should be kind of concerned,

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01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:32.800
<v Speaker 5>you know. I don't know that I would just do

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01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:35.880
<v Speaker 5>that anymore, even though I remember doing that as a kid.

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01:28:36.399 --> 01:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, times have changed, it's very different activities.

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01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:44.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, whatever, but it's just too scary now. Things are

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01:28:44.399 --> 01:28:47.119
<v Speaker 5>really weird percent.

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<v Speaker 4>So, my beautiful darling, thanks for joining me for another

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01:28:53.520 --> 01:28:58.119
<v Speaker 4>episode and where can peoples find you at?

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you so much, Miss Janet. Always a pleasure, and

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<v Speaker 5>I am Heidi love of the Unfiltered Rise. I'm everywhere

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01:29:04.840 --> 01:29:07.520
<v Speaker 5>podcasts are served. If you're watching this, you're probably on

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01:29:07.600 --> 01:29:10.840
<v Speaker 5>my Patreon and hopefully you are and we'll stay there

1241
01:29:11.000 --> 01:29:13.760
<v Speaker 5>or if you see it on the cults, hello from

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01:29:13.800 --> 01:29:17.640
<v Speaker 5>there as well. It's always a pleasure, and Unfiltered Rise

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<v Speaker 5>podcast dot com as well, miss Janet, where can my

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01:29:20.920 --> 01:29:21.760
<v Speaker 5>audience find you?

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01:29:22.479 --> 01:29:26.800
<v Speaker 4>You can find Deplorable Nation podcast on every podcast platform.

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01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.159
<v Speaker 4>If you want to watch, you can go to Spotify

1247
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:33.000
<v Speaker 4>or you can check it out on Rumble. If you

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01:29:33.039 --> 01:29:35.279
<v Speaker 4>want to hit me up for a chit chat, you

1249
01:29:35.359 --> 01:29:41.199
<v Speaker 4>have questions, you have comments, suggestions for a show. Deplorable

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<v Speaker 4>Janet on Instagram and no Janet kate in Ow on Twitter. So,

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<v Speaker 4>my beautiful darlings, thanks for tuning in for another episode

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<v Speaker 4>and for me and for my lovely bestie, Miss Heidi.

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<v Speaker 4>We will check you next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a good one.
