WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.640 --> 00:00:06.200 It's night Side with Dan Ray Unowny Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06.799 --> 00:00:08.679 By the way, before we get to my next guest 3 00:00:08.720 --> 00:00:11.320 here on the eleven o'clock hour, I would like to 4 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:16.239 emphasize that we've had some really interesting guests this week. 5 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:19.239 We're about to have another one, but I would suggest 6 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:22.199 that any of you who have missed any Nightside hours 7 00:00:22.199 --> 00:00:25.920 this week can go to Nightside undemand dot com. That 8 00:00:26.079 --> 00:00:29.519 is our our one of our websites for what's our 9 00:00:29.519 --> 00:00:33.560 website for our podcast. So the conversation we've had with 10 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:39.560 Professor John Ebel of Boston College the Weston Observatory on 11 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.560 earthquakes on Wednesday night at nine o'clock. We did a 12 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:48.479 couple of hours last night on the RFK cabinet hearings 13 00:00:48.560 --> 00:00:52.640 as well as as well as some talk last night 14 00:00:52.640 --> 00:00:55.840 of the DC plane crash. Tonight, of course, we talked 15 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:58.200 about the DC plane crash for two hours, and I 16 00:00:58.200 --> 00:01:01.079 think we had some excellent callers between in both nine 17 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:04.480 in the ten o'clock hours and then earlier this week 18 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:12.519 on Tuesday night, we talked about the executive orders filed 19 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.879 by President Trump. And I know some of them are controversial, 20 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:19.959 but the executive order ordering that all the files, all 21 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:24.680 the nation's files on the assassinations of President Kennedy, Senator 22 00:01:24.760 --> 00:01:30.400 Robert Kennedy's Robert F. Kennedy, and doctor Reverend Martin Luther 23 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.239 King be open to the public. That was both ten 24 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:37.640 and eleven on Tuesday night. Those were some great hours. 25 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:41.280 So if you need some on the way to work 26 00:01:41.319 --> 00:01:44.920 tomorrow or during the day tomorrow, just check it out 27 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:49.879 Nightside on demand dot com. You will be thoroughly entertained 28 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.760 and perhaps even informed. I know you got This is 29 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:55.439 going to be a great hour because we had this 30 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:59.959 gentleman with us earlier this month. He's a mental health expert, 31 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:05.760 doctor Don Grant, and we're talking about people who are 32 00:02:05.879 --> 00:02:13.919 literally addicted to the Internet, to all the various and 33 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:19.039 sundry arms of the Internet. Doctor Grant, welcome back to 34 00:02:19.120 --> 00:02:19.599 night Side. 35 00:02:20.879 --> 00:02:24.360 Thanks Dan, thanks for having me back. I really appreciate it. 36 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:27.840 Now give us a little bit of your We had 37 00:02:27.879 --> 00:02:31.759 a brief conversation earlier this month. I think it was 38 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:35.000 the first week or the second week of January, and 39 00:02:35.080 --> 00:02:37.719 I wanted to bring you back so that people could 40 00:02:37.800 --> 00:02:40.439 ask your questions. In the eight o'clock hour. It's just 41 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:44.879 me talking with four guests, and I thought that, well, 42 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.400 I just was convinced that I wanted to talk to 43 00:02:47.439 --> 00:02:51.319 you longer. What is your academic background? Give us just 44 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.719 that it's a pretty impressive background, but I want you 45 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.919 to share it with my audience so they get a 46 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.159 sense of who you are, and then we'll get into 47 00:02:58.199 --> 00:02:59.560 the issue that we're going to discuss. 48 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:02.680 Sure, and I'll try to do this quickly, but I'll 49 00:03:02.719 --> 00:03:05.520 say that, you know, my mother passed away a long 50 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:08.560 time ago. But whenever I'm asked this because I try, 51 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:11.199 you know, I get a little humble. I just always think, gosh, 52 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.360 I wish my mom could. 53 00:03:12.840 --> 00:03:17.360 She used to tell me self, praise is no praise. This, 54 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:19.400 this is just a fact right ahead. 55 00:03:20.039 --> 00:03:22.639 She would do a much better job. She She spend 56 00:03:22.639 --> 00:03:25.120 a whole hour telling you about me, and I don't 57 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:26.960 know how much of it would be true. But so, 58 00:03:27.080 --> 00:03:30.800 my name is doctor Don Grant. I'm a media psychologist. 59 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.680 I'm also a doctoral addictions counselor. So you know, I 60 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.520 have a doctorate. I actually have an Master's of Arts. 61 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:40.879 I have a Master of Fine Arts. I have degrees 62 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:43.960 an addiction and all of that. I'm also I'm a 63 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:49.719 Fellow of the American Psychological Association. I am the National 64 00:03:49.759 --> 00:03:54.800 Advisor of Healthy Device Management for Newport Healthcare. I do research, 65 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:58.719 I write, I have trendous opportunities like this one that 66 00:03:58.840 --> 00:04:01.599 I get to speak with you and your listeners today. 67 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:04.680 But I just want to make it clear right from 68 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.879 the top, which I always do whenever I speak or present. 69 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.520 I am not into technology. I am not anti devices, 70 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:16.000 I am not anti internet. I'm not anti social media, 71 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:20.879 anti gaming. Sometimes, because my reputation often precedes me, the 72 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:22.800 person that I am going to be introduced to says, 73 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:24.680 oh no, not that guy, he's going to take away 74 00:04:24.720 --> 00:04:28.600 my PlayStation. I'm like, not necessarily calm down. So what 75 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:33.120 I teach and promote is healthy device management and the 76 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:37.240 practice of good digital citizenship. So it's about balance and 77 00:04:37.399 --> 00:04:41.600 making sure that you know these devices and the services 78 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:45.319 and platforms and things they deliver are not something that 79 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:49.199 is detrimental or unhealthy or causing us to be unwell. 80 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:51.720 You know, there's a thing that I always say, and 81 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:55.759 it's the first slide of almost every presentation I do, 82 00:04:56.279 --> 00:04:59.279 and it's from Henry David Thieaux, who in eighteen fifty 83 00:04:59.319 --> 00:05:03.279 four wrote in the book Walden men have become the 84 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:08.639 tools of their tools. Now before I don't think the 85 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:12.879 Mistress the Roau had any idea about what we are 86 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.639 talking and devices of the topic and focus of our conversation. 87 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:19.680 But I just saw that a long time ago and 88 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:23.639 I thought, Wow, I feel that can be so applicable today. 89 00:05:23.720 --> 00:05:26.319 Men have become the tools of their tools because all 90 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.079 of these things that we're going to talk about, and 91 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:31.079 hopefully your listeners will call in and ask questions about Dan, 92 00:05:31.920 --> 00:05:35.199 these were, and I believe should be tools. But what 93 00:05:35.319 --> 00:05:38.720 you were saying about how we've become so dependent upon them. 94 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:40.439 A lot of the work that I do, a lot 95 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:42.519 of the clients that I work with, whether it's the 96 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.959 Newport or my private practice, or with schools or communities, 97 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:48.680 it's the people will tell me, no, I feel like 98 00:05:48.759 --> 00:05:51.240 this thing owns me. So I just wanted to put 99 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:53.879 that over an overview of whatever we end up talking 100 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:54.399 about today. 101 00:05:54.839 --> 00:05:57.399 Makes a little bit great. Bag Boy Coast. You're on 102 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.800 the left coast, you guys are based, and where is it, 103 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:01.480 Santa Monics. 104 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:04.240 I'm in Los Angeles, Yeah, in Los Angeles. 105 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:08.079 Okay. I hope that you have avoided the fires out there, 106 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.439 needless needless to say, and you're with this this it's 107 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:14.480 called Newport Healthcare. 108 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:17.959 Correct, Yes, So what like I said, I'm the National 109 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:22.240 Advisor of Healthy Device Management for Newport Healthcare. And so 110 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.519 you know, that's that's what my uh A lot of 111 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:28.759 my work gets to get to do through Newport and 112 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:31.560 basically Newport Healthcare. I can just just let me get 113 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:34.399 this done. So we have it. So Newport Healthcare, others 114 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:37.759 read you what they are. Newport Healthcare is the nation's 115 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:42.199 leading provider of evidence based behavioral health treatment for youth, 116 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:47.480 young adults, and families. Are we We're comprised of Newport Academy, 117 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:51.399 Newport Institute, the Center for Families, and Prairie Care. We 118 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.839 have a full content continuum of care. It includes residential services, 119 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:00.600 partial hospitalization services, intentsive outpatient services for mental health and 120 00:07:00.639 --> 00:07:05.439 substance use disorders, as well as psychiatric inpatient services. Newport 121 00:07:05.519 --> 00:07:09.160 is family centered, integrated and our approach FOSTER is sustainable 122 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:13.319 healing from a foundation of compassionate care, clinical expertise, and 123 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.920 unconditional love, with a primary mission to empower lives and 124 00:07:16.959 --> 00:07:19.920 restore families. So that's what we are, and that's just 125 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.839 that's I just have it out there it. 126 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.519 Is, okay, so we've we've got all the information, all 127 00:07:25.519 --> 00:07:30.079 the discussion, to the to the conversation, and that is 128 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:37.720 there's a lot of people who have changed their lives, 129 00:07:38.040 --> 00:07:44.720 changed their relationships during COVID and after COVID, and a 130 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:49.800 lot of people, UH have now become much more reliable 131 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:57.800 on social media interactions oftentimes interactions which are simply observational. 132 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:02.759 They're not even interactions, they're observing of other people again, 133 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:10.240 whether it's Facebook or Twitter, Instagram or TikTok. And it 134 00:08:11.000 --> 00:08:16.639 seems to me that if you become too dependent on that, 135 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:21.000 you lose your ability to interact with real people and 136 00:08:21.120 --> 00:08:26.399 it almost becomes a sultifying relationship that you have chosen 137 00:08:26.439 --> 00:08:31.199 to engage in. How far off reality am I when 138 00:08:31.199 --> 00:08:34.399 I present that to you in that way, doctor. 139 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:38.039 Well, you are spot on. And that's a lot of 140 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.080 what I do. And that's why when I say that 141 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:43.600 I teach healthy device management, I mean, look, we all 142 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:46.600 know this. We live in this world. Everything, I mean 143 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:51.799 increasingly more everything has some sort of digital attachment. I mean, 144 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:55.480 if it doesn't, it probably will soon. It's what you said, 145 00:08:55.519 --> 00:08:58.480 our reliance and you bring up so many great points 146 00:08:58.960 --> 00:09:02.679 because I think that anyone who lives in the world 147 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.200 now and lives in has devices, which we all do. 148 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:08.919 They can just think for themselves. I mean, how do 149 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:11.200 they feel about it? How often do you reach for 150 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:15.279 that device when you're sitting anywhere, standing anywhere, even crossing 151 00:09:15.279 --> 00:09:18.360 the street that is so dangerous in your car? How 152 00:09:18.399 --> 00:09:23.120 often we find ourselves just uncontrollably reaching for that device. Now, 153 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:25.879 there's a lot of reasons, and we already know that 154 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:30.200 the developers and creators of these things, that's what they want, 155 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:33.919 that's how they were designed. They use psychological tricks and 156 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.039 leveraging our Olympic system and all kinds of things to 157 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:40.960 get us onto those devices and keep us there, because 158 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:47.159 attention economy is now one of the most valuable assets 159 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:50.519 if everyone wants our attention and to keep it, and 160 00:09:50.600 --> 00:09:53.720 so getting us in there and keeping us in is 161 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:56.519 the whole goal. And I tell people, Dan, you just 162 00:09:56.559 --> 00:09:58.840 had to remember, especially when you're talking about social media, 163 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:05.000 it's free. You're the product. These creators are not these 164 00:10:05.039 --> 00:10:08.639 social medias that are not public services that they're offering. 165 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:12.639 Yeah, well, it's almost it should almost be characterized as 166 00:10:12.759 --> 00:10:16.559 anti social media because the more that you spend in 167 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:22.559 that relationship with the screen. I think about, you know, 168 00:10:23.480 --> 00:10:28.000 social as being interacting with other human beings or maybe 169 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:32.279 interacting with your pass even, but not with an inanimate 170 00:10:32.399 --> 00:10:35.799 object like the screen. So look, let's take a break. 171 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:38.639 When I come back, I want I want to push 172 00:10:38.759 --> 00:10:42.200 you a little bit in terms of how can people 173 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:49.039 maintain a healthy relationship with social media and how can 174 00:10:49.120 --> 00:10:53.039 they know when that relationship is going in a bad direction. 175 00:10:53.519 --> 00:10:55.759 So you're asking all the right questions, I can't wait. 176 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.440 Okay, well we'll get to those right after the break. 177 00:10:58.519 --> 00:11:03.399 My guest is doctor Don Grant, prominent mental health expert 178 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:08.440 media psychologist. He will take your questions if you have 179 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:13.960 some concerns about the amount of time you're spending away 180 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:18.279 from human beings and with your devices, and you want 181 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:20.600 to ask a question, or if you just want to 182 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:23.799 ask a question about where are we headed as a society. 183 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:27.679 I got questions, but I will prefer to hear your 184 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:31.360 questions right here in North America's back porch. It's a 185 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:34.360 cold and it's going to be a rainy thank god, 186 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:37.320 not a snowy Friday here in New England. We'll get 187 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:39.519 you started. Stick with us. My name is Dan Ray, 188 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:41.360 We're here until midnight. We'll take you all the way 189 00:11:41.399 --> 00:11:45.080 until the final day of January. We're almost through January, folks. 190 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.720 Spring is on the way. Baseball starts next month with 191 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:52.240 spring training. All's good with the world except social media. 192 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.840 Back on night Side six one, seven, two, five, four, 193 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.360 ten thirty, six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty 194 00:11:58.399 --> 00:12:01.080 and triple eight nine to nine, ten thirty. Back on 195 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:01.960 night Side after this. 196 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:05.919 Now back to Dan Ray Live from the Window World 197 00:12:06.039 --> 00:12:09.799 Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio. 198 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.799 My guest is doctor Don Grant. He is a prominent 199 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:18.759 mental health expert with the Newport Healthcare Institute. We are 200 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:25.039 talking about your relationship with your devices, your social media devices. 201 00:12:25.080 --> 00:12:27.399 My producer Rob just said to me he likes to read, 202 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:32.360 and what's the difference between reading and being involved in 203 00:12:32.399 --> 00:12:35.240 social media. I think that in order to read, you 204 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:38.240 have to think. I don't think you have to think 205 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:44.799 when you're sitting looking at TikTok videos or reels on Facebook. 206 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.360 So how do you know When we talk about addiction, 207 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:51.440 Normally we think about drugs, we think about alcohol, and 208 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.159 it's very difficult to know when you have reached that 209 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:57.840 point of addiction in anything that you become dependent on 210 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.200 you know, we have you know, supposedly you know alcoholics 211 00:13:02.200 --> 00:13:05.480 who are functioning alcoholics. They may be they may drink 212 00:13:05.519 --> 00:13:07.919 all weekend, but Monday morning, when the bell rings, they're 213 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:11.679 ready at work. Theoretically, how do you know when maybe 214 00:13:11.720 --> 00:13:15.639 your reliance on social media is becoming a little more 215 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:17.320 than it should be, Doctor Grant. 216 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.840 That's a great question, and in someone who you know. Also, 217 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:23.720 one of my wheelhouses is addiction, and I have no 218 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:27.200 problem and it's I'm not that difficult to find online, 219 00:13:27.240 --> 00:13:29.840 so it's pretty easily discovered. I've been in recovery for 220 00:13:29.879 --> 00:13:33.120 a very long time myself. But you take up all 221 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.039 the point you're saying, I mean, they're they're fantastic, Dan, 222 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.840 So let's talk about the addiction or dependency kind of 223 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:42.679 where do we cross the inflection point. One of the 224 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:46.480 things that you brought up things like substance based addictions. 225 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:50.759 These are one kind of addiction, and very often they're 226 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.679 more overt. The signs and symptoms, the outcomes and consequences 227 00:13:55.159 --> 00:13:57.960 they tend to at a certain point if someone kind 228 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:01.399 of crosses the event horizon, they become more obvious. Then 229 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:05.240 there's things called process addictions. These are things like gambling. 230 00:14:05.320 --> 00:14:08.840 It can be exercise, it can be eating disorders, and 231 00:14:09.240 --> 00:14:12.240 it can so these are a little more covert and 232 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.519 easier to hide for longer because they don't really have 233 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:18.720 the kind of overt consequences. They're more personal. So here's 234 00:14:18.759 --> 00:14:21.000 how you know, and this is just how I do it, 235 00:14:21.039 --> 00:14:24.159 because I'm a psychologist. I look at it of doing 236 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.879 a self assessment. And this is where anybody can do 237 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:31.039 this about anything, because it's up to you what you decide. 238 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:34.080 You don't have to tell anyone yet. So I do 239 00:14:34.159 --> 00:14:36.480 it this way. I go in disorder, we look at 240 00:14:36.519 --> 00:14:45.559 things of impact from biological, psychological, or sociological outcomes. So 241 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:48.000 what I mean by that is we start with biological 242 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.840 So is this thing that you're wondering, am I or 243 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:53.519 am I not? Is it in any way if you're 244 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:59.080 rigorously honest impacting your biological health, then you can look 245 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:03.240 at is this thing in the same way impacting or 246 00:15:03.279 --> 00:15:07.679 negatively influencing or subjugating or impeding my success or my 247 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:12.240 goals psychologically? In psychological depression. 248 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:15.840 Jerry's biological health, I would make sure I understand what 249 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:16.519 do you mean by that? 250 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.960 Okay, let's let's talk about in terms of biological health. 251 00:15:21.039 --> 00:15:24.080 That's something that let's to make it easy that you 252 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.559 would see a medical doctor for. It can be something 253 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.320 let's talk about. And I'm just going to go into 254 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.480 one deviceing I see a lot. So we're talking about 255 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:35.600 a hardcore gamer. This is a gamer who's gaming twenty 256 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:38.559 four or seventy two hours. I mean this exists. So 257 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.480 they might experience some sort of dietary issues. They might 258 00:15:42.519 --> 00:15:44.919 even have carpal tunnel in their fingers there, I might 259 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:48.080 have eyes strain, and I see this all the time 260 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:52.639 because they're just sitting and gaming. So that's biological. Would 261 00:15:52.639 --> 00:15:55.960 be for devices. We were talking back when we all 262 00:15:56.000 --> 00:15:59.480 stared down at our phones Neanderthal neck where we are 263 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.519 all airing down in our devices and our next starts 264 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.279 to really hurt in the back. So those anything that 265 00:16:05.360 --> 00:16:08.440 you would see a doctor, a medical doctor for. If 266 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:11.879 you find that this thing, whatever it is, is causing 267 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:16.960 you something that is physical, a physical you know, not great, 268 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.399 that would be biological. Does that make sense? 269 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.679 If you if you're literally are so drunk you've fallen 270 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:24.559 down a flight of stairs a couple of times a week, 271 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:25.639 that's a problem. 272 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:28.519 Uh, Well, the drunk would be the roses of the liver. 273 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:30.679 It would be all kinds of things, right. 274 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:34.039 And also if in terms of gaming, if you find 275 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:37.919 yourself betting on NFL exhibition football games in late July 276 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.039 and August, you got a problem. 277 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:43.759 You might be and that's gambling is a great example. 278 00:16:43.879 --> 00:16:47.399 That's a process addiction. People don't think that process addictions 279 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:50.240 can be as serious as ones that are substance based. 280 00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:52.000 Oh trust me, they can. 281 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:55.440 So let's go to psychological. You explained that very well. Psychological. 282 00:16:55.480 --> 00:16:57.480 Okay, what do you think? I mean, you got this? 283 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.039 What do you think a psychological symptom or response or 284 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:04.319 something that's not great from devices? 285 00:17:04.359 --> 00:17:04.400 What? 286 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:05.720 What do you think it could be? 287 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:08.200 I'm not a doctor. 288 00:17:08.279 --> 00:17:09.480 No will I play on the day. 289 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:10.880 I'll take a shot at it. 290 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:12.240 I'll take a shot at shot. 291 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:15.440 If you walk by your computer and you can't ignore 292 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:17.799 the computer and you got to sit down and check 293 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:21.000 something out every day, every day, every day. I'm on 294 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:24.400 the a lot more than I want to be because 295 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.839 it's part of my job. Okay, But but if if 296 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:30.880 you're going on there to see the latest TikTok videos 297 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:33.599 because you're afraid you might miss one of the five 298 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.079 million TikTok videos that are put up during the day. 299 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:39.599 I think you got a psychological issue with TikTok. 300 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:42.440 Well, I'm gonna take it a little further. If you 301 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.599 say I'm just gonna watch one TikTok video, like the 302 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.240 alcoholic who says I'm just gonna have one drink, and 303 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.880 twelve hours later you're late for work. You've watched twelve 304 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:55.680 hours at TikTok and can't remember one video. But I'm 305 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:58.839 gonna talk more, really psychologically, So we're talking more about 306 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:02.319 things like, know, you you go on your doom scrolling, 307 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:04.839 or you go and you go on to anything on 308 00:18:04.920 --> 00:18:07.839 social media, our platform, or even like you said, you know, 309 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:11.039 gambling can online. Gambling can have some other issues. But 310 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:18.680 we're really talking psychologically about things like depression, anxiety, trauma, triggering, things, 311 00:18:18.680 --> 00:18:21.680 things like that, things that cause you to be mentally 312 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.240 or psychologically just regulated. We're talking a lot recently. This 313 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:28.480 is a big issue right now. I've been doing a 314 00:18:28.519 --> 00:18:31.319 lot of having a lot of conversations about what I 315 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:35.279 call media saturation overloads syndrome. And I was talking to 316 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.559 a journalist the other day and we're just kind of 317 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.960 tongue in cheeks saying, oh, now everything is breaking news. 318 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:43.559 So I just want to say, for one second, when 319 00:18:43.599 --> 00:18:48.480 I was younger, breaking news meant to zombie apocalypse, everything stops. 320 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.079 Yeah, or the breaking the news, or the president had 321 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:55.440 been assassinated. That's right, that's real break or whatever. Yeah, 322 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:59.279 you know, you're right, you're oh, yeah, I watched sometimes break. 323 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:02.000 I've worked as a TV reporter for thirty one years 324 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:05.519 before I started this gig, and we didn't have break. 325 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:07.599 I mean we had breaking news. We used to joke 326 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:09.799 about it. We used to say in our newsroom back 327 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:13.319 in the day, where news breaks, we'll fix it, or 328 00:19:13.400 --> 00:19:16.240 if it happened today, it's news to us. We were 329 00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:18.960 making fun of the people who were coming in with 330 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:21.799 all this stick. It was like, just let us be 331 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.799 journalists and cover real stories that we would say that 332 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:28.480 seriously happened, you know, because you got the broadcast force 333 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:30.680 that it happened today. It's news to us. 334 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:34.880 Well, breaking news what we were talking about. And I 335 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.279 think we can all agree now that's what breaking news 336 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:42.440 is a big deal. Now we're experiencing and I let 337 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:45.799 me just this is how it also applies to psychological 338 00:19:45.839 --> 00:19:49.119 and could be argued biological. So now breaking news. Breaking 339 00:19:49.160 --> 00:19:53.240 news now is stating there in the morning is obsolete 340 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:55.559 in two hours. So what we're seeing is breaking news. 341 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.160 Someone in the administration broke an ail two hours later, 342 00:19:59.240 --> 00:20:01.920 breaking news. We were wrong. It's not a broken nail. But 343 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:06.480 what happens when we hear, as humans breaking news. I'm 344 00:20:06.519 --> 00:20:09.160 just going to share with you that our lizard brain 345 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:12.240 can kick in, which is our survival brain, because we 346 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:14.640 hear breaking news and it seems like we've got to 347 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:17.640 be on guard that something is very serious. 348 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:22.640 And so we have this Russians may have launched that's right. 349 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.319 Well, we don't know, but we hear just the words 350 00:20:25.319 --> 00:20:29.079 breaking news, and that kind of the jarring stop breaking 351 00:20:29.160 --> 00:20:32.279 news will send without us even know. I'm sorry, it 352 00:20:34.200 --> 00:20:37.599 is Pavlovian. And what will happen is that in our brains, 353 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:40.720 which we don't know, is that it will be released 354 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:45.319 cortisol and adrenaline, and that will flood our brains when 355 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:48.039 we hear breaking news because we're sure that the Martians 356 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:51.680 have landed. And then so we have to realize that 357 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:54.720 when those things are released in our brain, it attacks 358 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:56.839 us and affects us and puts us on guard, and 359 00:20:56.880 --> 00:20:59.640 then it takes time for those to go away in 360 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:02.480 our brain. So there's even just this breaking news thing 361 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.680 that's every two minutes. Now, we don't even realize what's 362 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:07.720 happening in our brains. So a lot of things that 363 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:12.400 social media or news or headlines, and these salacious headlines 364 00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.960 and these catastrophic headlines and these images that now are 365 00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:19.079 so available to us are having an impact that we 366 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:23.079 don't even realize is happening because of the neurology of 367 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:23.640 our brains. 368 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:26.640 And the other thing is, I'm surprised you're telling me 369 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:28.960 the Martians haven't landed. I was pretty sure. 370 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:30.880 I've heard that we're going to find out, because I 371 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.839 also heard that you were talking about that some files 372 00:21:33.839 --> 00:21:35.920 are going to be released. I heard a rumor could 373 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:38.359 be hashtag fake news. We're also going to find out 374 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:42.039 and get some reports released about UFOs and aliens. I 375 00:21:42.079 --> 00:21:44.079 heard that may be coming our way too. I'm very 376 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:44.880 interested in that. 377 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.480 Well. You know, there was the congressman from New Jersey 378 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:50.319 last month when they had all of the. 379 00:21:50.599 --> 00:21:52.519 Drones over the drones. 380 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:56.359 Which I think it would be a lovely summer song, 381 00:21:56.519 --> 00:21:58.519 you know, drones over New Jersey. 382 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:00.480 You said it was romantic. 383 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:03.720 This one Congressman said that they were being launched from 384 00:22:03.759 --> 00:22:09.720 an Iranian ship off the coast of New Jersey. I mean, 385 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.559 and that was great the news in a while. Okay, 386 00:22:12.680 --> 00:22:14.519 we got to pause here for the news of the 387 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:16.599 bottom there. I know, there's a third element we're going 388 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:18.119 to talk about, and then we're going to go to 389 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:21.319 a phone call six one seven, four ten thirty. That's 390 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.319 the best part of the show, always phone calls six seven, 391 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:29.440 nine three one ten thirty nineteen thirty. The aliens are here, 392 00:22:29.480 --> 00:22:31.440 by the way, there are people who I hope one 393 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:34.240 of them call. Well. Let mean, I have had some 394 00:22:34.319 --> 00:22:40.759 of them called trust me in eighteen years. The odds 395 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.799 are Hey, there's certain people out there. I mean, you know, 396 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.039 I don't want to get political or something like this, 397 00:22:46.119 --> 00:22:48.960 but but you've seen people on television, and I've seen 398 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:51.759 people on television. Do you know the political guy James Carville, 399 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.839 the guy who's yeah, that dude's an alien. It just 400 00:22:56.880 --> 00:22:59.759 look at them, look carefully, Okay. And I can find 401 00:22:59.759 --> 00:23:02.640