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Speaker 1: Stein chronicles today March the fourth day of the Glaine

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Maxwell trial, and we saw three witnesses take the stand today.

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None of those witnesses were accusers, so it wasn't as

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emotionally charged, but there was a significant portion of today's

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proceedings that were spent on one of the witnesses, and

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that witness is Juana Lessi. Now, wan A Lessie was

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Jeffrey Epstein's butler, slash housekeeper and somebody who was pretty

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much always around, and in his testimony today he goes

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into some of the duties that he was responsible for

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while working for Epstein and Maxwell. You see Glenn Maxwell's defense,

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they want to set it up like Elaine Maxwell wasn't

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in a position of power, like Olaine max Well, wasn't

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somebody who was calling the shots in a leadership position.

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But what this testimony shows, and what I believe we'll

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see coming in the future is going to show, is

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that is a fantasy. Glenn Maxwell was calling the shots.

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She was the lady of the house and her word

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was you know, the final say. She spoke and the

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employees had to listen. And that's what Juana Lessie gets

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at today with some of his testimony. Now, my question

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is obviously with Wuana Lessi, he says he knows that

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he saw some of these girls and they were underage,

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and all this other stuff going on at this house.

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Why not come forward previously? Why do you have to

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wait so long? And I wonder if he was offered

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some sort of deal by the federal government to give

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this testimony or if this is just something he is

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doing his free will. So that's definitely something interesting as

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far as what has brought him forward as of now

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and not in the past. Right all of a sudden,

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he's willing to testify. You were in Epstein's employee for

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a long, long time, buddy. You saw a lot of

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very dirty, devious things, and you were there right at

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the heart of the operation while all of this was

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going on. So I'd like to get an answer for

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why it's taken so long for you to come and

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put these people on blast. And you could definitely set

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it up and frame it that Alessi took part as

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an enabler and somebody who helped facilitate this trafficking ring. Right,

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Obviously his defense would be, well, I didn't know, but

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how far does that go with the law oh, I

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don't know. Tell that to the judge and see how

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it works out. So that's why I'm one wondering if

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maybe he was cut some sort of deal for his testimony.

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You know, the government loves to do that. They'll give

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deals to anybody if it is going to move the

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goalposts for them and they're going to be able to

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get their conviction. They gave Sammy the Bull Gravano a deal.

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An old boy admitted to killing like eighteen people, probably

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had about fifty or sixty, but you know, admitted to

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the eighteen and the government was more than happy to

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give him a deal as long as they could get Gotti.

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So I don't have any evidence of that one way

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or the other. And I haven't seen any of that

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or any conversation talking about that in any of the

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articles I've been reading. So I'm gonna keep looking to

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see how this all came about with his testimony. But

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I would guess, and again this is a guess here,

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that the government leaned on him in one way or

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the other, maybe threatened conviction or something like that. But

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it's very questionable to me that all of a sudden

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now he wants to talk when Jeffrey Epstein got that

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cush ass deal. He should have come forward then and said, hey,

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look he shouldn't get this deal. This dude's a predator.

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This dude is bring him little girls to the house

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at a insane clip. But he didn't do that, and

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neither did any of the other co conspirators. And that's

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where the big problem comes in, where when you try

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and set them up as victims, you can't set up

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Sarah Kellen Vickers as Sarah Kelln Vickers as a victim.

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She had every chance in the world to turn on Epstein,

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to go to the authorities. She didn't do any of that.

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In fact, she stayed in touch with them, kept in contact,

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kept you know, being his pal, and the whole nine.

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You talk about Leslie Groff, same thing. All of these people,

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all of these co conspirators, every last one of them

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that has something to do with Epstein's enterprise has to

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do with the facilitation of the trafficking. Because it's obvious

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to anybody who's paying attention at this point, and obviously

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that's a lot of you right now, that this wasn't

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just you know, a guy and a girl who decided

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to come up with this plot and put it into

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motion all on their own. There are a lot of

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moving parts here, and again, as we get deeper into

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this trial, hopefully some of that stuff will come to light.

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But I'll be posting context episodes as this whole entire

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thing continues to highlight some of that stuff, because it's

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very important to understand the scope of everything that went

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on here and to understand that it wasn't just Epstein

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and Maxwell Well doing all of this on their own.

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The evidence points to something completely different. And when you're

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running a criminal conspiracy like this, a criminal enterprise, you

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have to have many different people under your umbrella that

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are going to make it work. You have to have accountants, lawyers,

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lieutenants such as the core for Maxwell, Leslie Groth, Adriana Ross,

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and all of these things have to work in cohesion

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for this to be able to happen the way it did.

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So all of these other people that helped make this happen,

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there's no way that they shouldn't be culpable for what occurred.

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And I think one of the biggest travesties about the

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whole entire thing here is that point that there were

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a lot of other people involved and I'm not talking

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about people on the outer edges either. I'm talking about

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people who were integral to the operation of this criminal enterprise.

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these people who were involved, lieutenants and street captains, if

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it was say a mafia enterprise, they'd all get snagged

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up too. Right. They don't just go after the person

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who was in charge, the person in a leadership role.

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bottom up. So I'm wondering if they offered any other

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immunity deals, if they offered any deals at all to

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get testimony. So that's one thing I took away from

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the testimony of Alessi today and just interesting all around

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that now it's time for him to talk. So with

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that said, let's take a look at some of the

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back and forth today in the courtroom, and we'll go

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over the the bit of transcripts that are available to

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us or court notes I should say, that are available

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to us, and try and build a better picture of

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what went on in that courtroom today. Now, remember these

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aren't the full This isn't the full manty, right, this

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isn't the full back and forth This just is a

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basic idea of what went on in the courtroom and

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what was said and the gist of the conversation between

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the prosecution and the defense without us having a call

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in line here, which is ridiculous, like nobody's business. Considering

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we've had a call in line pretty much for all

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of the proceedings leading up to this. We have to

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rely on those kinds of notes. So it does at

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least build more of a picture of what's going on

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and give us a better idea of what's going on

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inside of the courtroom. It's still not the complete full

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manti right, So anyway, let's take a look at the

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proceedings and a look at some of the back and

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forth between the witnesses and the lawyers. So the first

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person who was called to the stand today was a

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gentleman named Paul Kane of New York City's Professional Children's School.

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And when they had him on the stand, they were

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asking him about an exhibit, and that exhibit was exhibit

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SEVN twenty one, and they asked him, do you recognize it?

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This is the prosecutors asking the questions right now. By

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the way, Kane says, it's an enrollment application for a

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student Maureen Comy, the prosecutor says, don't say the name

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is an accurate copy. To that, Kane replies, yes, it is,

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is an objection from Maxwell's lawyer, Pagliuccia, and he says

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it's hearsay. So to counter that, the prosecution responds and

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says that it is a business record and that it's

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something that should be put into the docket. Judge Nathan

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agrees with the prosecution and she overrules their objection. So

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it goes on and Maxwell's lawyer asks if she can

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question the witness Nathan. Judge Nathan gives gives her permission,

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and the lawyer goes on to ask the professional Children's

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does it? Cane responds, I think they do. Maxwell's lawyer

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says all of it. Kane says that I don't know

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Maxwell's lawyer so the info and as she's asking the question,

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she's cut off by Maureen Comy, who says, your honor

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may I And they go on through their whole entire thing,

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and the prosecutor asks what happens to the info coming in,

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Cane responds, contact the family by phone, then invite them

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to toward the school and have a conversation. Comey goes

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on to ask does the school rely on the form,

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which Kane responds yes. So what they're trying to do

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here is established that whoever Jane is went to this

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school or applied to this school, and that the benefactor,

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who we see right here coming up is Jeffrey Epstein.

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So the prosecutor asks what grade was the person applying

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for and Kane says the twelfth grade and it said

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do to move to New York. So the prosecution asked

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who is listed as the person of financial responsibility and

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that's when Kine says, Jeffrey Epstein. So what they're trying

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to establish here is that Jeffrey Epstein was acting as

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a benefactor to Jane and that he was offering her

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obviously financial rewards to stay in his sphere or to

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think that the behavior that he was engaging in was normal.

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paper that Epstein was involved in all of these girls' lives.

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And if anyone knows anything about Epstein, they know he

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wasn't some just give her to give? When he gave money,

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it was because he expected something in return, one way

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or the other. Now, Maxwell's lawyers asked him, do you

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have any idea? He says, excuse me, you have no

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idea of mister Epstein actually paid, and Kin says, I

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do not. So Maxwell's lawyer goes on to ask for

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the mother, does it say unemployed? And again another shot

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at the mom, right, trying to establish that this is

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about money. This is a money grab, that's all it is.

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it's really always the two different tactics. Right, you don't

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know what you're talking about, you've misremembered, or b you're

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trying to get some money. You're trying to make a

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little bit of money out of this, and that's all

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it is. Maxwell The lawyer asks who is a listed agent?

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let the jurors look at it at that point, and

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Maxwell's lawyers tell them to look at the name in

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the corner, the name of the prior principle, you don't

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have to say them for the record. No further questions

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so again, basically what they are trying to do here

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is established that Jeffrey Epstein is, in fact or was

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a benefactor here. Now the next witness that they call up,

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because that was all there is to it for that witness.

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It was very short, very to the point, and obviously

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they were just looking to establish that Epstein on paper

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here was the benefactor and try to show the jury

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that Epstein did in fact do this kind of thing

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to try and get into the good graces of the

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family to therefore get himself access to these children on

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their own. So the next witness is doctor Lisa Rochio,

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and she has a master's and PhD from the University

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of Rhode Island, and they go into it. She's an

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expert in grooming, child grooming and all of that kind

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of thing, so she deals with all kinds of really dirty,

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disgusting stuff. They get her on the stand after all

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of her credentials are read and all of that, and

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call me asks did you interview anyone in this case,

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to which the witness responds no. Cally asked does your

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pay depend on the outcome of the trial? Rochio says no.

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Prosecution asks again, what is grooming to which Rochio responds,

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strategies to get children into sex. So she's trying to

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establish that what Epstein was up to was in fact

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grooming him and Maxwell. So Maxwell would go out, she'd

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find these girls, she'd bring them into the sphere, and

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then she'd normalize the behavior. You hear about all of

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the other girls and women that were there, topless, all

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of them that were engaging in the massaging, et cetera,

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et cetera, and it becomes a normalized process for these

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girls who were being brought into this. Rokio goes on

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to say, I've seen grooming in the boy Scouts through

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a special camping trip or jewelry, anything to make the

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children feel they are appreciated. So again trying to establish

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when you're epsoone like Epstein buying these children who are

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basically strangers all of these gifts and showering them with

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school scholarships and all this other stuff. It wasn't coming

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from the bottom of his heart. Right now. I don't

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get me wrong, there are some good people out there

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who want to help and do that kind of thing,

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But for the most part, especially when we're dealing with

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somebody like Jeffrey Epstein, and Glene Maxwell. We know what

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their motivations were. The prosecution goes on, how common is

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it for a child to be repeatedly abused by the

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same purp. Rokio responds, very common, it's by people close

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to the child. Comy then asks what is a grooming environment.

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Rokio responds, the purp develops trust with people around the child,

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for example with the parents, and again setting the stage,

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wants to show the jury that this is how the

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process works, this is how clinically it works. And when

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you bring on a specialist who deals in this specifically,

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well it goes a long way to the jury to

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show them, you know, hey, look, this is how someone

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like Maxwell engages in this sort of procedure. This is

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the surrounding environment of it, and this is how it

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all takes place. The gifts, the showering them with approval,

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making them feel wanted and loved. And that's why they

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choose girls or boys from broken homes, kids that don't

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have the loving parents or the nurturing relationship with guardians.

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And that's why these scumbag predators specifically go after children

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like this. After a long public sidebar, they come back

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and the prosecution asks, are victims of child sexual abuse

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likely report it to the police? Rokio says no. Prosecution says,

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how do they talk about it to this Maxwell's lawyer?

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They object, they say, no foundation and that's it to

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which is it's sustained by Judge Nathan. So the question

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is reframed by prosecution and they say, they ask what

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is the long term impact? Rokio goes on to respond,

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there at higher risk for adverse outcomes. Prosecution rests and

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that they give the witness over to the defense. So

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they're asking about the long term outcome, right, what does

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this sort of thing do in the long term? And

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obviously it causes all sorts of mental issues, grief on PTSD,

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obviously anxiety, all kinds of stuff that these people carry

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with them for the rest of their lives. And it's

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not just an incident where it happens and it's over

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and you know, that's it. They move on and they

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forget about it. So what they're trying to show is

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the actual blow that it takes on these people, on

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these survivors, and the impact in a long and lasting manner,

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because this isn't something that you know, oh well, I

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broke my arm I'll be over it the next day.

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This is something that they carry with them the rest

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of their lives, and they you know, it's serious baggage.

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So they go on to ask Rochio Maxwell's lawyers now, obviously, uh,

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doctor Rochio, you have a forty five thousand dollars contract

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for this, correct? Rokio responds yes, Maxwell's lawyer, if one

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had a brain injury, it might be hard to remember,

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right to which prosecution objects, and that objection is sustained

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by Judge Nathan. So they were trying to hint that

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perhaps one of these survivors has some sort of brain

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injury and might be hard for them to remember. Like

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I said earlier, that's their line, right, that's their strategy. Oh,

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you misremembered, So we're gonna be seeing a lot of

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that throughout this whole entire thing, for sure. Maxwell's lawyers

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go on to ask about alcohol, and they say would

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that harm the recall too? And to that once again objection,

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which is sustained, and Maxwell's lawyer then asks, are you

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familiar with confabulation? To this, the prosecution objects, but they're

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overruled Maxwell lawyer. Maxwell's lawyer says, it's filling in the

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gaps to that another objection, which this time it's sustained.

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Then Maxwell's lawyer goes and this is this is one

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where I was like, are you kidding me right now?

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You're really gonna go this route? But pagly Uti it did?

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He said, my grandfather liked to take me to the

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Bronx Zoo. Was that grooming? I don't know, was it?

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What did he do to you while you're at the

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Bronx Zoo? Dude? Talk about conflating the issue and showing

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disregard and no care for her. What these girls are

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saying or what they went through an absolute joke, honestly.

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But I've come to expect that from Maxwell's team throughout

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this whole entire thing, and they're going to continue down

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that path. They're not going to take their foot off

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of the gas. They understand that it's there. They have

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no hope when it comes to the evidence here, they

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have zero hope in my opinion, So they're going to

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continue to try and demean the credibility. After that exchange,

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that was the end of that for uh, for the

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for doctor Rochio, and then they moved on to Juanna Lessi,

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who was the bulk of this day, and he was

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a butler, He was Jeffrey Epstein's housekeeper, and he was

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somebody who was always around Jeffrey Epstein during the time,

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especially when all of this is alleged to have taken place.

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So he gets up on the stand and the first

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question that they ask from Camy from the prosecution is

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where do you come from? And he answers, He's from Ecuador,

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says he moved here in nineteen eighty four and he

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worked for a wealthy family in Palm Beach. He was

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a maintenance guy, and then he worked for mister Jeffrey Epstein.

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So they go on to ask and this is a

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doozy here, folks too, for those of you who are

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locked in and you know what's going on. Prosecution asked,

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how did you meet Epstein? And Unless he responds with

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I was working on mister Wexner's mother's house. Well, isn't

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that nice? Isn't that nice? So he met Jeffrey Epstein

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in nineteen eighty four. Jeffrey Epstein unless Wexner at the

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very least been friends since nineteen eighty four, now correct.

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Now we know that there's a bunch of other timelines

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out there. I'm just going on, but by what we

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can talk about, you know, in court that's corroborated here

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in court and documents and whatnot. But it establishes right

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away the connection between Wexner and Epstein, another connection that

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nobody seems to really care about. Now I shouldn't say nobody,

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but the legacy media they really don't want anything to

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do with it. A lot of independent content creators, a

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lot of independent journalists have been shaking those bushes for

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a long time, but wexner' is one of those guys

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that people just don't want to take on. The Kolhar

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reality though, is he was a huge factor in Jeffrey

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Epstein's life, and he was a huge factor in everything

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Jeffrey Epstein, you know, was up to financially at the

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very least. And we can't forget he is incredibly accused

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by Virginia Roberts of partaking in the abuse as well.

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So Les Wexner is certainly somebody who deserves a little

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bit more conversation, you would think, right, somebody who deserves

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a little bit more of a chit chat perhaps, But

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we do, you know, we don't, We don't have that

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like we should. There's not as big of an investigation

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as there should be, but it's it's interesting to see

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that that that's established here by a Lessi who is

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in this photo. They obviously show him a photo and

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he says, mister Jeffrey Epstein. When when mister Epstein was

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in Palm Beach, where did you sleep? Alessi says, I

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had a room there. Prosecution asks who else worked there? Alessi?

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He says, I brought my wife to help me, and

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other girls. So obviously he's talking about, you know, the

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Core four and the other girls that were working on

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the property. Sarah Kellen Vickers especially, how did things change

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after miss Maxwell got involved? Unless he responds, things were

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less cordial, less conversation. I was not allowed to see

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mister Epstein anymore unless he asked me questions. Miss Maxwell said,

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don't look at his eyes, look at another part of him.

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So Maxwell comes in and she takes the reins right.

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Does that sound like somebody who is being a victim

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to you? Does that sound like somebody who is out

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of control, meaning somebody who doesn't have their finger on

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the button of control. Course not. She is running the

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whole house. She's running everything. She's making sure that everything

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everything is moving in the proper manner. And not only that,

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according to the survivors, there was times that she took part.

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So we know that Maxwell was very rude and looked

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down on other people, according to reports from people who

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knew her, and listening to Alessie's testimony here, it's rather

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obvious how she looked at the help. So they go

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to lunch after that, but come back right into the

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questioning and prosecution tells the ask to pull up Exhibit

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two ninety seven. They asked, mister Alessie what it is,

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and it's a blueprint, Uh, you know, a picture of

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the bedroom, et cetera, et cetera. And it's the second floor.

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There was a huge bathroom up there as well, he says.

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And what's the other bathroom, asked prosecution. Alessie responds, that's

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miss Maxwell's bathroom. Prosecution says, but they both came off

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the master bedroom. Unlessie says, yes, where did miss Maxwell

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sleep in the Palm Beach house. Maxwell's lawyer objection overruled

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and Alessie says she slept in mister Epstein's bedroom, which

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is relatively interesting, But when you're engaging in all of

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this kind of behavior. You know, I wouldn't be shocked. Now.

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You'll never get me to believe that Jeffrey Epstein and

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Glene Maxwell were ever in love or anything like that.

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I've been pretty clear about how I feel about that.

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This was a business relationship. They were you know, maybe

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they were canoodling because you know, whatever reason, but there

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was certainly no feelings of love there. They were playing

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a part, in my opinion, and all players have to

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play their part on the stage, right, And if that

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was going to give them more of an inn to

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polite society of them being presented as a couple, then

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that's what they were going to do. So I don't

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buy for a minute that they were ever in love

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or anything like that. The prosecution goes on to ask

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how many times did you see females by mister Epstein's

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pool Unless he responds hundreds. Prosecution then says how often

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were they topless? Unless he says seventy five percent of

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the time, And that corresponds with a lot of what

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we've heard in the past about what Epstein was up

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to with the at the pools and stuff, having naked

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girls there, girls with their tops off and the behavior

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being normalized. Remember that's all part of this. He wanted

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to normalize all of this behavior so the new girls

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that were brought in they would just seamlessly transition into

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this and not ask any questions. And none of that

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would have been possible, none of it, in my opinion,

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without Glenn Maxwell and her facilitation of all of this.

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Prosecution then goes on to ask about Little Saint James Island,

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and Alessie says, I was on a cruise with my

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wife to Saint Thomas and they picked us up and

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showed us Little Saint James. It was huge. Prosecution asks

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did you visit any of miss Maxwell's properties, and Unlessie

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responds her town home in London. She invited us. It

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had a red front door. So this is the muse

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house in London that Maxwell just recently sold. And this

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is also allegedly the place where Prince Andrew aka the

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Joe Exotic of the Windsor family had relations with Virginia

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and sexually abused her while she was being trafficked by

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Jeffrey Epstein and Glenne Maxwell. So that's a pretty significant mention,

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although it doesn't really hold any water here or have

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any kind of you know, impact one way or the other.

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It's just an interesting tidbit considering the parallel lawsuit that

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we see that Virginia has right now going against Prince Andrew.

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Now they're talking about a booklet. So the prosecution asked

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to show them government Exhibits six h six and what

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it was was a checklist, right, and it was fifty

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eight pages long. So the prosecution says to him, what

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is it and unless you responded that it's a list

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of what we're supposed to do to maintain the house.

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So he had like a whole a fifty eight page

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punch list to maintain the house. Imagine that here's your

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fifty eight page book and this is what I want

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you to make sure the house looks like. So they

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were very particular about the house. They wanted it to

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look like a five star resort. They wanted to make

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sure that it was always, you know, in that sort

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of state. But instead of hiring a whole team of

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people Epstein's cheap ass and Maxwell's cheap ass, they had

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one guy do it all. So it was probably not

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the funnest time in the world, right if you're the

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hired help working for Jepstein, Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell,

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And as part of his duties with that checklist was

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to hear nothing, say nothing, and speak nothing. So everything

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was very clandestine with them, and he had that whole

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entire book that he had to adhere to. So after

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the prosecution was done with Alessi, after they asked the

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question about the fifty eight page book, it was time

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for Maxwell's lawyers to dive in, and Maxwell's lawyers started out,

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when you left, you didn't have this in your possession,

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did you talking about the book? UNLESSI responded no, I

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did not. Then Maxwell's lawyer said, but this book was

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created after you left, at least by the date on it.

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So what they're trying to do is establish that a

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lessie is misremembering as well here that a lessie also

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doesn't know what he's talking about. That's what they're that's

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what they're looking at here. That's what they're trying to

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establish here, and it is rather funny that they're trying

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00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:25,480
that same tactic with a lessie as well. After a

474
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:30,319
long sidebar, Maxwell's lawyers go on to say, as you

475
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,559
sit here today, nineteen years later, you have no idea

476
00:32:33,599 --> 00:32:38,279
where Exhibit fifty two has been, and they're again trying

477
00:32:38,319 --> 00:32:42,400
to establish chain of custody if it was tampered with,

478
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,359
et cetera, et cetera. Maxwell's lawyer goes on to say,

479
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,799
you said the book was two inches thick, but exhibit

480
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:52,440
fifty two is a quarter inch thick? Correct Alessi says yes,

481
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,319
Maxwell's lawyer, A book you were talking about was from

482
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,559
New York, right, unless he goes on to say yes,

483
00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,599
And then they go on to ask about post it

484
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:10,000
the post it notes and the post it notes weren't there,

485
00:33:10,119 --> 00:33:15,039
right unless he says right. Then prosecution says could jumps

486
00:33:15,039 --> 00:33:18,440
in and asks did you take messages for mister Epstein?

487
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,680
How if he didn't want to talk or call or

488
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:26,119
wasn't there? So he was taking messages for Epstein when

489
00:33:26,359 --> 00:33:29,119
people would call or whatever, and he'd put it down

490
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:34,400
in the book. Maxwell's lawyers now again ask there are

491
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,960
a number of pages without dates next to the names.

492
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,319
Do you know that? Unless he responds, I guess so.

493
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:47,160
Now prosecution admits some sealed exhibits they're not to be

494
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,839
put on the screens or anything like that. Prosecution goes

495
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:53,839
on to ask what supplies did you buy for the massages,

496
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:59,559
unless he responds, no, oils. I was Maxwell's lawyers. They

497
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,759
object to this, no doubt about it. The last thing

498
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:05,440
they want to do is have this line of question

499
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:10,599
and continue on. Prosecution goes on to ask, did miss

500
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,639
Maxwell give you supplies? Unless he responds exotic oils for

501
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:21,239
other countries. Prosecution was mister Epstein's door opened during the massages?

502
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:26,760
Unless he never afterward I went in with gloves. Prosecution,

503
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:34,039
why Alessi to clean up? Uh? What again? If you're

504
00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:37,440
looking at this in a vacuum, you're saying to yourself, well,

505
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,760
it was just a massage, what's the big deal? But

506
00:34:40,039 --> 00:34:44,079
that's not the case. Jeffrey Epstein in his world, in

507
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:49,519
his realm, massage was short for sexual dalliances, for sexual assaults,

508
00:34:49,519 --> 00:34:56,280
basically of these girls being trafficked, and it was a

509
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,559
very unhidden secret that that's what it meant. So Alessi

510
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,280
was charged with, you know, buying some supplies for these massages,

511
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,800
and then afterwards he was in there to clean up.

512
00:35:11,519 --> 00:35:16,519
Prosecution goes on, what did you see after the massages towels?

513
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Unless he responds, yes, but not all of the massages.

514
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,440
Prosecution do any incident stand out in your mind, ALESSI,

515
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,559
I found a large dildo. Prosecution, what did you do

516
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:35,519
with it? ALESSI? I washed it up? So again, he

517
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,639
wasn't going It wasn't a regular massage. When's the last

518
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,920
time you went to a massage and there's a dildo

519
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,719
in there that has to be cleaned up by some

520
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,719
guy with gloves on. It's absurd that they would think

521
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:54,880
anyone's buying the nonsense that they're spinning. Oh, it was

522
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,559
just a dildo that was in there for no specific purposes.

523
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,719
Just happened to be a coincidence that it's in the

524
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,039
same massage room that Jeffrey Epstein's in with these miners,

525
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:08,079
that Glenn Maxwell brought these miners too. Just a coincidence.

526
00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:15,239
They go on to ask him where did you put

527
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,480
the dildo? Unless he responded he put it in Maxwell's

528
00:36:18,519 --> 00:36:22,280
bathroom in a basket, they said, They asked him, how

529
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,599
did you know where to put it? Unless he says,

530
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:28,400
I knew everything going on in the house. Prosecution, what

531
00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:33,280
else was in the basket unless he I saw pornographic tapes?

532
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,840
Well what? And there should have been some more questions

533
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,719
in my opinion here, who was on these pornographic tapes.

534
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,000
What do you mean pornographic tapes? What kind of pornographic tapes?

535
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,280
And then him saying, well, I knew everything that was

536
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,800
going on in the house. Again, it leads me to

537
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,639
believe that how could he not be looked at as

538
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,920
a co conspirator right at the very least, maybe the

539
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,360
FEDS leaned on him to get this testimony, because I

540
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,519
don't see what he gains from giving this testimony all

541
00:37:05,559 --> 00:37:07,599
of these years later if he wasn't at the very

542
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:16,599
least threatened with some kind of indictment. How often did

543
00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,280
you see the dildo? Prosecution asks? He says at least

544
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,159
five times. Prosecution goes on to say, and the other one,

545
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,960
the massager, did the ball at the end vibrate? ALESSI

546
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,079
said yes, I would put it at the top of

547
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:34,440
mister Epstein's dresser. Again, what they're doing is they're showing you.

548
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,320
They're laying it out the whole scenario, how the room

549
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,920
was set up, how everything was ready to go for

550
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Jeffrey Epstein and his disgusting Dracconian gross ass proclivities, and

551
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,360
how Maxwell facilitated all of this by giving the directions

552
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:56,440
to a LESSI on what supplies to buy, then cleaning

553
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,239
it up, making letting him know where everything goes. So

554
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,239
you see how it was a well oiled machine and

555
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,119
what I mean by how it couldn't happen with just

556
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:12,039
one person trying to do this. They go on after

557
00:38:13,159 --> 00:38:19,679
that questioning, and there was some stuff about Virginia Roberts

558
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:24,159
as well that I wanted to touch on. Uh let's

559
00:38:24,199 --> 00:38:26,599
see here, let me grab my notes and find where

560
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:32,599
I put it. It was uh pretty uh crazy, because

561
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:38,039
here it is. Alessie says that, uh, Virginia Roberts, she

562
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:40,199
looks so young, she had blonde hair, and she had

563
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:45,000
a long white uniform like the nurses. Alessie says that he,

564
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:49,239
uh he saw Virginia Roberts at mar A Lago Trump's club,

565
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:53,159
and that's where Glen Maxwell hopped out of the car

566
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,639
with the little pup named Max to try and, uh,

567
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,000
you know, talk to Virginia. And this is all from

568
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:03,199
Alessie's uh test today. Now, remember Virginia is not part

569
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:09,800
of this prosecution, but I don't know how that's possible. Honestly,

570
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,039
her allegations are so heinous that I guess we could

571
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:19,280
make a whole other episode about that gripe unless he

572
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,559
was also asked about Epstein and Jane going to the movies,

573
00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,000
and unless he replied, yes, they went to the movies.

574
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,159
He corroborated multiple parts of Jane's testimony on the witness stand,

575
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,800
and he seemed to be a pretty solid witness for

576
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:44,440
the UH for the for the prosecution here. So they

577
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,920
go on with the the questioning of him. But I

578
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,599
wanted to just add those other little tidbits from earlier

579
00:39:52,639 --> 00:39:55,360
on with the Virginia and some of the other things

580
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,480
that he was talking about, because I believe that it's

581
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,880
pretty impact stuff and pretty important when you're putting the

582
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:06,159
pieces together. It corroborates a lot of what Virginia has said,

583
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,599
along with all of the other evidence she has provided.

584
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,760
But again, it corroborates it, and it just adds more

585
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,639
right more to the side of truth and makes it

586
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,199
much harder for these scumbags like the Joe Exotic of

587
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:27,519
the wimsor family to defend because let's be real, they

588
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,159
have not brought anything to the table, no evidence to

589
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:36,960
defend themselves. Prosecution goes on to ask were there photographs

590
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,159
of naked women a lessie, yes, but those were kept

591
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:44,159
in miss Maxwell's desk. Prosecution, why did you leave mister

592
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:48,960
Epstein's employ I was sick and tired. Did you sign

593
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:52,840
a non disclosure agreement? Unless he says yes about both

594
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,559
of them. But one of the real reasons he left

595
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,880
mister Epstein's employ Let's remember, Alessie again, is not some

596
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,000
you know, hero of this story or anything like that.

597
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,679
He clipped sixty three hundred bucks from Epstein and that's

598
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,679
why he left Epstein's employ Prosecution asked him, were you

599
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,280
questioned by the police after you took sixty three hundred

600
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,039
dollars from mister Epstein? Unless he responded yes, prosecution, were

601
00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:25,000
you arrested? Unless he no? And at this point, the

602
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:28,599
Prosecution's done with him, and Maxwell's lawyers decide to start

603
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:33,199
the cross examination tomorrow instead because it's already four forty

604
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,480
eight at this point and they don't want to bleed

605
00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:40,639
over and go late. So that's where we're at today, folks.

606
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,559
Those are the three witnesses that took the stand. Aulessi's

607
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:50,079
testimony I thought was pretty helpful for the prosecution here,

608
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,559
and I think that it laid a lot of groundwork

609
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,159
for what's coming next. They're setting it up right you

610
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,519
have the specialists that come on to set it up,

611
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,199
and the whole entire groundwork of how grooming was employed

612
00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:07,000
here and how it was Maxwell playing a pivotal figure

613
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:11,400
of the whole entire ring that they're putting out there

614
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,920
for you, right, that's the picture that's being painted. And

615
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,400
I think they'll continue to do that in the days

616
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,199
moving forward with the other witnesses they're going to bring

617
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,400
up onto the stand. And now remember there wasn't even

618
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,760
an accuser who testified today, so we got three more

619
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,639
accusers who will be testifying, plus a ton of other witnesses.

620
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,760
So tomorrow morning we'll be right back at it, folks.

621
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,079
Same time, we'll be doing the morning update, getting us

622
00:42:42,119 --> 00:42:45,599
prepared for what comes next, and then of course the

623
00:42:45,679 --> 00:42:49,039
evening update where we take a look at what transpired

624
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:52,960
in the courtroom. I'll also have a couple of context

625
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,440
episodes uploaded. I have one about one a Lessi that

626
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,320
I'm going to upload and a couple of other ones.

627
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,159
Until tomorrow, folks, I hope you all have a great night.

628
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:03,960
Bring it