Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
back in to that Tova Noel deposition given to the
OIG inspectors. Question, have you ever witnessed any other staff
member fall asleep at mcc Noel, No, because you're in
a unit by yourself. Question you're in what the housing
units are the shoe? Noel? Yeah, like when I'm in
the housing unit. Remember, I don't work the shoe all
the time, so I wouldn't know if people are sleeping
at that time in the housing unit, you're by yourself,
so I can't witness nobody. Question okay, and you have
your own little office there, Noel. Yeah. Question when you're
in the housing unit and that's where you might be
able to doze off? Noel. Yeah. Question And as far
as the shoe, did you ever experience anyone else sleeping
aside from Thomas Noel redacted the day before question okay,
and I do apologize, it's just been so long. Now.
How long did he sleep for Noel who redacted? Question? Yeah,
Noel from about after ten until it was time for
him to go. Question so ten to twelve okay. And
did you try to wake them up at all? Noel? No,
because he was on a triple question. Okay, all right,
now we're going to you said you were on the internet.
Are you authorized to use the Internet when you're in
the shoe, Noel, I don't know if I'm authorized to
use the Internet in the shoe, but I did. I
don't know if I'm authorized. Question all right? And did
you conduct Internet queries when you were assigned to the
shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel? What do you
mean like internet searches? Did you like Google things or
look things up when you were in there? Noel? Yeah. Question, well,
just tell me what did you search for? Noel? Well, yeah,
that's what I was looking at on benefit page for
something I was checking for one of my benefits. And
she gets cut off by foyn you with it. I've
just got to go. This is a jail call question. Okay,
So Attorney Foy is stepping out. However, attorney is it
saragas mister Sarraga? Yeah, question Sarraga is still present? Noel. Yes,
And when I think I looked at I think it's furniture. Question. Okay,
did you do any do you remember conducting any Internet
queries related to Epstein Noel, No, I don't remember doing that. Question,
So you don't remember actually conducting queries on Epstein at
around four or five am, Noel, hmm, question on August tenth.
No okay, does that surprise you for me to ask
you that question? Noel? If I don't remember doing that question,
I don't know. Had you queried him before? Had you
looked up Epstein previously? Noel, I don't recall looking them up?
Question no Noel, No, because when you open the computer
and when you click on it, like he's there in
the Google search, like he's there question Epstein is Noel,
like when you click on the browser, you know, like
if you open it Emerson or Google, like how it
has all the little news pieces like one time he
was there? Question? And was that on August tenth? Noel, No,
I don't recall that being on August tenth. I don't remember,
but I don't recall it being on August tenth. Question
So as in like maybe somebody else was looking them
up and it just populated when you turned on the computer. Noel.
I don't think it does that, like on the searches,
like the current news will be there. So he's in
the current news, so he'll be there. Question. Oh all right, Noel,
it won't look like the load page like when you
click on like the Internet Explorer or you click on
like Firefox or whatever. When the page loads, the news
is there whether question? Okay, So if you prepopulated something
and then you searched on that day Epstein at the MCC,
that possibly could have been something that was like on
a newsfeed, Noel. When you say prepopulated like that as
soon as you click it, like it was there, not
like you said a search. Question, So you weren't yeah,
like a search like you were actually looking at it,
or if like it was a newsfeed, well yeah, like
I'm looking at it because it's there, but not like
typing it in question. So you're not like actually going
to Google or Yahoo or some kind of search engine
and saying Epstein Noel, no question. All right. So do
you remember reviewing news articles on Epstein Noel? Yeah. Question
on August tenth. Noel on August tenth. I don't recall
if it was August tenth, but I remember when I
saw it, I like scrolled and read it question. Okay,
And what was the purpose of that, Noel, What was
the purpose of that question? Yeah, Noel, because he's in there.
I just scrolled and she gets cut off. Question. Sure,
so you're just trying to learn about the inmate. He
gets cut off by Noel. And I read it because
remember I was asked like do I know who that was?
And I was like no, and there was like he's
always in the news. So when I saw it, I
just briefly skimmed to see like if he was in
the news. Four she gets cut off? Okay, And you
don't recall at five forty two to five fifty two
on August tenth, twenty nineteen, looking at articles related to
Jeffrey Epstein. Noel, no question. You do not recall that, Noel,
no question. Do you remember searching for him? Noel, no
question or having anything to do with when you're on
the internet, Noel, no question with Epstein indiscernible, Noel, no
question at five point fifty two, Noel, no question. No.
Does it surprise you to hear that, you know, internet
searches would show that that's what you were doing. From
five forty two to five fifty two am on August
tenth twenty nineteen. Noel, Yeah, question that does surprise you. Noel,
uh huh question. So you don't think that would be
accurate then, Noel, Yes question. You think it would be
accurate or not accurate? Noel, Oh, No, it wouldn't be accurate. Question,
it wouldn't be accurate. You do not believe that you
actually conducted those searches, Noel, No question. Okay, And since
you had the keys, no one else could have visited
the shoe without you knowing? Correct? Noel, correct. And the
individual on ten South redacted or anyone else? Are they
able to access the shoe without someone in the shoe
allowing them in? Can they get out of ten South
and enter the shoe by themselves or does someone from
the shoe like you and Thomas need to authorize them entry? Noel,
he needs to call like I have to call control
to pop that door? Question? So he has to call control, Noel,
because there's a door that lets you into ten you
have to call control. Question? And then is it like
the entrance? Is there like a second door that you
have to use a key for Noel? Yeah. Question, So
there's also two into ten South? Noel, Yes, question? And
that second door. Is that the one that he gets
cut off by Noel, don't have the key for question?
So he would also have keys or is it just redacted? Noel, No,
I don't have the key for upstairs? Question all right,
So he needs to open his own Noel, right, question
and then Control pops it. Noel, pops it question to
then allow him into the shoe. Noel, Yeah, question, so
he could theoretically get into the shoe without your knowledge, Noel,
No I have to call Control to pop me into
the shoe. Question Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying redacted's ability to
get into the shoe where you and Thomas were. Noel,
he can't do that because he can't leave him less
because remember, Thomas has to go up to relieve him.
So Thomas is getting the door popped, but he can't
just come out and get the door popped because he
would have to leave the unit with nobody up there.
Question right. What I'm saying is like, could he does
he have the ability to? Not policy dictates that he
can't do it. I'm saying, would he be able to
if he wanted to take Policy out of the way, Noel,
call for them to pop the door? Question right? So
like point being could have the access to the shoe
theoretically without you and Thomas knowledge. Noel, Yeah, because he
could go and pop that door. Question right, but he
would have had to call control in order to do so. Noel, yes.
Question all right? And does anything allow control to know
if that door was never locked or closed or anything
behind him? Noel, I don't know. Question you're not sure
would an alarm sound if the door wasn't closed or anything? Noel,
I don't know. Question, you're not sure. Who was the
last person to see Epstein alive prior to August tenth,
twenty nineteen, at six thirty three am. Noel, the last
person to see him alive? I would guess me because
I got she gets cut off? You were, Noel, because
I counted at ten or after ten? Question? And on
that occasion you didn't actually enter his cell? You said? Well,
no question. Who was the last person that physical contact
with Epstein? Noel, Thomas. Question Thomas would have and when
would that have been? Noel? When he was feeding? Question?
No No, Noel, you mean like a time question? Thomas
had physical contact with Epstein during his shift on August tenth,
prior to six thirty PM or six thirty am. Noel, No,
not prior to six thirty am. I'm talking about at
the six thirty question. Right, so you're the last person
to see him, Noel. Yeah. Question. Who was the last
person to physical contact with him? Noel? Oh? Whoever put
him in the cell when I went to the bathroom? Question? Okay,
so you're not sure, Noel, No question? All right, when
you saw him, please explain in detail like or I
guess you already did. You said, when you saw him,
he just put his hands up Noel. Yeah. Question and
then you said he also asked for Noel his seapat
machine to be plugged in question. And that is something
that he has every night, Noel, yes, question yep Did
he seem did anything seem unusual with him? Noel? Know,
See there's exceptions being made for Epstein. Because it's Epstein.
You're not supposed to have a seapat machine. It has
a long cord, so other inmates don't have a seapat
machine in the shoe like you're not supposed to have that.
Who authorized it, who gave it to him? I don't know? Question? Okay,
And that's kind of what I was asking earlier. And
this is much earlier about like where did Epstein? Why
was he treated differently than the others, Noel? I mean
she gets cut off? Were there are other instances that
you can think of, like people said, pay him special
attention because he's different from the other inmates, Noel. Know,
just a seapat machine. And one time he wanted to mattresses.
Question he wanted to mattresses? Noel, yes. Question was he
provided to mattresses? Noel? No question? So he just had
the one mattress Noel, uh huh. Question. So the only
thing you can think of is that, Noel, is that question?
Is that the CPAP? Noel? That's the CEPAP question? Okay?
Is that the one with like the mask that's attached
to your face? Noel. Yeah. Question. And there's actually like
a cord that goes with that, Noel. Yeah, the cord
has to be plugged in. Question. Now do you consider
that like a safety issue or anything like that? Noel.
But see that's the thing. I don't authorize those things. Question, sure, Noel.
That's why I said when a person you see how
the question was asked, when somebody comes back from suicide watch, like,
is there like something like special being said like, no,
because he's cleared, because if there was, like he would
be allowed to have that in his room. So once
he's cleared, you come back, you're okay. Question okay? Were
there were there any other issues with any inmates on
August tenth from twelve am to six thirty three am, Noel,
no question. No, So there was no disturbances, Noel, no question.
Were there any in mates complaining about the lights being
left on or anything like that? Do you recall, Noell,
not that I know of. Question? No. And do you
recall if any other inmates were on or came from
suicide watch? Noell, no question. So you don't remember any
other inmates being handled differently than others Noel, no question. No,
or like special instructions with regard to this inmate or
that inmate? Noel, No, I don't know. Question. And you
don't remember inmates complaining about the lights? You said? Noel,
no question. How do the lights work? Do they stay
on on the range at all times? Twenty four to
seven in each tier? Noel, I don't know. But the
light is in the hallway for the room. Question. So
for an interior room, what about the down the hallway
to each of the tier. Noel, Oh, yeah, it stays on.
Question were they on twenty four to seven? Noel? Yeah,
question do they ever turn those lights off? Noel? No.
All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and
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