1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:03,319 Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the 2 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:06,559 Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right 3 00:00:06,599 --> 00:00:10,519 back in to that Tova Noel deposition given to the 4 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:15,880 OIG inspectors. Question, have you ever witnessed any other staff 5 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:20,160 member fall asleep at mcc Noel, No, because you're in 6 00:00:20,199 --> 00:00:24,079 a unit by yourself. Question you're in what the housing 7 00:00:24,199 --> 00:00:26,960 units are the shoe? Noel? Yeah, like when I'm in 8 00:00:27,039 --> 00:00:29,640 the housing unit. Remember, I don't work the shoe all 9 00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:32,039 the time, so I wouldn't know if people are sleeping 10 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:35,280 at that time in the housing unit, you're by yourself, 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,280 so I can't witness nobody. Question okay, and you have 12 00:00:39,439 --> 00:00:43,399 your own little office there, Noel. Yeah. Question when you're 13 00:00:43,399 --> 00:00:45,479 in the housing unit and that's where you might be 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,159 able to doze off? Noel. Yeah. Question And as far 15 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,960 as the shoe, did you ever experience anyone else sleeping 16 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:57,119 aside from Thomas Noel redacted the day before question okay, 17 00:00:57,479 --> 00:01:00,759 and I do apologize, it's just been so long. Now. 18 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,239 How long did he sleep for Noel who redacted? Question? Yeah, 19 00:01:05,519 --> 00:01:10,200 Noel from about after ten until it was time for 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,760 him to go. Question so ten to twelve okay. And 21 00:01:13,799 --> 00:01:16,079 did you try to wake them up at all? Noel? No, 22 00:01:16,239 --> 00:01:19,079 because he was on a triple question. Okay, all right, 23 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:22,239 now we're going to you said you were on the internet. 24 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:24,640 Are you authorized to use the Internet when you're in 25 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,760 the shoe, Noel, I don't know if I'm authorized to 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:29,920 use the Internet in the shoe, but I did. I 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,560 don't know if I'm authorized. Question all right? And did 28 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:36,599 you conduct Internet queries when you were assigned to the 29 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,400 shoe on August tenth, twenty nineteen, Noel? What do you 30 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:44,239 mean like internet searches? Did you like Google things or 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,959 look things up when you were in there? Noel? Yeah. Question, well, 32 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,280 just tell me what did you search for? Noel? Well, yeah, 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,000 that's what I was looking at on benefit page for 34 00:01:54,079 --> 00:01:57,680 something I was checking for one of my benefits. And 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,079 she gets cut off by foyn you with it. I've 36 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:04,239 just got to go. This is a jail call question. Okay, 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,000 So Attorney Foy is stepping out. However, attorney is it 38 00:02:08,199 --> 00:02:14,039 saragas mister Sarraga? Yeah, question Sarraga is still present? Noel. Yes, 39 00:02:14,479 --> 00:02:18,599 And when I think I looked at I think it's furniture. Question. Okay, 40 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:21,960 did you do any do you remember conducting any Internet 41 00:02:22,039 --> 00:02:26,599 queries related to Epstein Noel, No, I don't remember doing that. Question, 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,120 So you don't remember actually conducting queries on Epstein at 43 00:02:30,159 --> 00:02:34,719 around four or five am, Noel, hmm, question on August tenth. 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,599 No okay, does that surprise you for me to ask 45 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:41,520 you that question? Noel? If I don't remember doing that question, 46 00:02:41,599 --> 00:02:44,159 I don't know. Had you queried him before? Had you 47 00:02:44,159 --> 00:02:48,080 looked up Epstein previously? Noel, I don't recall looking them up? 48 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,599 Question no Noel, No, because when you open the computer 49 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,719 and when you click on it, like he's there in 50 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:00,879 the Google search, like he's there question Epstein is Noel, 51 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,240 like when you click on the browser, you know, like 52 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,080 if you open it Emerson or Google, like how it 53 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,800 has all the little news pieces like one time he 54 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:12,479 was there? Question? And was that on August tenth? Noel, No, 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,319 I don't recall that being on August tenth. I don't remember, 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,479 but I don't recall it being on August tenth. Question 57 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,680 So as in like maybe somebody else was looking them 58 00:03:21,759 --> 00:03:26,159 up and it just populated when you turned on the computer. Noel. 59 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,479 I don't think it does that, like on the searches, 60 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:31,000 like the current news will be there. So he's in 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,479 the current news, so he'll be there. Question. Oh all right, Noel, 62 00:03:35,919 --> 00:03:38,280 it won't look like the load page like when you 63 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:41,319 click on like the Internet Explorer or you click on 64 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,680 like Firefox or whatever. When the page loads, the news 65 00:03:44,719 --> 00:03:48,759 is there whether question? Okay, So if you prepopulated something 66 00:03:49,159 --> 00:03:52,240 and then you searched on that day Epstein at the MCC, 67 00:03:53,159 --> 00:03:55,919 that possibly could have been something that was like on 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,400 a newsfeed, Noel. When you say prepopulated like that as 69 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,800 soon as you click it, like it was there, not 70 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:05,680 like you said a search. Question, So you weren't yeah, 71 00:04:05,719 --> 00:04:08,479 like a search like you were actually looking at it, 72 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:12,120 or if like it was a newsfeed, well yeah, like 73 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:14,560 I'm looking at it because it's there, but not like 74 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,800 typing it in question. So you're not like actually going 75 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,639 to Google or Yahoo or some kind of search engine 76 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,680 and saying Epstein Noel, no question. All right. So do 77 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:29,399 you remember reviewing news articles on Epstein Noel? Yeah. Question 78 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,079 on August tenth. Noel on August tenth. I don't recall 79 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,600 if it was August tenth, but I remember when I 80 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,000 saw it, I like scrolled and read it question. Okay, 81 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,600 And what was the purpose of that, Noel, What was 82 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,759 the purpose of that question? Yeah, Noel, because he's in there. 83 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,920 I just scrolled and she gets cut off. Question. Sure, 84 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,839 so you're just trying to learn about the inmate. He 85 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:58,160 gets cut off by Noel. And I read it because 86 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:01,199 remember I was asked like do I know who that was? 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,879 And I was like no, and there was like he's 88 00:05:03,879 --> 00:05:06,800 always in the news. So when I saw it, I 89 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:09,399 just briefly skimmed to see like if he was in 90 00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:12,360 the news. Four she gets cut off? Okay, And you 91 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:14,879 don't recall at five forty two to five fifty two 92 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,759 on August tenth, twenty nineteen, looking at articles related to 93 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:23,480 Jeffrey Epstein. Noel, no question. You do not recall that, Noel, 94 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,639 no question. Do you remember searching for him? Noel, no 95 00:05:27,399 --> 00:05:29,839 question or having anything to do with when you're on 96 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,639 the internet, Noel, no question with Epstein indiscernible, Noel, no 97 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:39,279 question at five point fifty two, Noel, no question. No. 98 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,959 Does it surprise you to hear that, you know, internet 99 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,920 searches would show that that's what you were doing. From 100 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:48,920 five forty two to five fifty two am on August 101 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,279 tenth twenty nineteen. Noel, Yeah, question that does surprise you. Noel, 102 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:57,040 uh huh question. So you don't think that would be 103 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:00,720 accurate then, Noel, Yes question. You think it would be 104 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,839 accurate or not accurate? Noel, Oh, No, it wouldn't be accurate. Question, 105 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,199 it wouldn't be accurate. You do not believe that you 106 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,240 actually conducted those searches, Noel, No question. Okay, And since 107 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,519 you had the keys, no one else could have visited 108 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:18,560 the shoe without you knowing? Correct? Noel, correct. And the 109 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,079 individual on ten South redacted or anyone else? Are they 110 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,759 able to access the shoe without someone in the shoe 111 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:28,879 allowing them in? Can they get out of ten South 112 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,000 and enter the shoe by themselves or does someone from 113 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,600 the shoe like you and Thomas need to authorize them entry? Noel, 114 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,199 he needs to call like I have to call control 115 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:43,279 to pop that door? Question? So he has to call control, Noel, 116 00:06:43,639 --> 00:06:45,959 because there's a door that lets you into ten you 117 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,240 have to call control. Question? And then is it like 118 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:51,800 the entrance? Is there like a second door that you 119 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,360 have to use a key for Noel? Yeah. Question, So 120 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,759 there's also two into ten South? Noel, Yes, question? And 121 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,240 that second door. Is that the one that he gets 122 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,240 cut off by Noel, don't have the key for question? 123 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:10,399 So he would also have keys or is it just redacted? Noel, No, 124 00:07:10,639 --> 00:07:13,279 I don't have the key for upstairs? Question all right, 125 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:17,000 So he needs to open his own Noel, right, question 126 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:21,279 and then Control pops it. Noel, pops it question to 127 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,639 then allow him into the shoe. Noel, Yeah, question, so 128 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,240 he could theoretically get into the shoe without your knowledge, Noel, 129 00:07:28,399 --> 00:07:31,120 No I have to call Control to pop me into 130 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,439 the shoe. Question Yeah. Yeah. I'm saying redacted's ability to 131 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,959 get into the shoe where you and Thomas were. Noel, 132 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:40,839 he can't do that because he can't leave him less 133 00:07:40,959 --> 00:07:43,360 because remember, Thomas has to go up to relieve him. 134 00:07:43,519 --> 00:07:47,040 So Thomas is getting the door popped, but he can't 135 00:07:47,079 --> 00:07:49,720 just come out and get the door popped because he 136 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:51,920 would have to leave the unit with nobody up there. 137 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,319 Question right. What I'm saying is like, could he does 138 00:07:56,319 --> 00:07:59,160 he have the ability to? Not policy dictates that he 139 00:07:59,199 --> 00:08:01,759 can't do it. I'm saying, would he be able to 140 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:06,800 if he wanted to take Policy out of the way, Noel, 141 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,519 call for them to pop the door? Question right? So 142 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,480 like point being could have the access to the shoe 143 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,920 theoretically without you and Thomas knowledge. Noel, Yeah, because he 144 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:19,639 could go and pop that door. Question right, but he 145 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:23,120 would have had to call control in order to do so. Noel, yes. 146 00:08:23,519 --> 00:08:26,600 Question all right? And does anything allow control to know 147 00:08:26,879 --> 00:08:29,480 if that door was never locked or closed or anything 148 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,360 behind him? Noel, I don't know. Question you're not sure 149 00:08:33,639 --> 00:08:37,000 would an alarm sound if the door wasn't closed or anything? Noel, 150 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,720 I don't know. Question, you're not sure. Who was the 151 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:42,679 last person to see Epstein alive prior to August tenth, 152 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:47,440 twenty nineteen, at six thirty three am. Noel, the last 153 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,200 person to see him alive? I would guess me because 154 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,919 I got she gets cut off? You were, Noel, because 155 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,960 I counted at ten or after ten? Question? And on 156 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:00,279 that occasion you didn't actually enter his cell? You said? Well, 157 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,080 no question. Who was the last person that physical contact 158 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:09,440 with Epstein? Noel, Thomas. Question Thomas would have and when 159 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,960 would that have been? Noel? When he was feeding? Question? 160 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:16,759 No No, Noel, you mean like a time question? Thomas 161 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,519 had physical contact with Epstein during his shift on August tenth, 162 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,240 prior to six thirty PM or six thirty am. Noel, No, 163 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,480 not prior to six thirty am. I'm talking about at 164 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:30,639 the six thirty question. Right, so you're the last person 165 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,159 to see him, Noel. Yeah. Question. Who was the last 166 00:09:34,159 --> 00:09:37,879 person to physical contact with him? Noel? Oh? Whoever put 167 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:41,279 him in the cell when I went to the bathroom? Question? Okay, 168 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:44,559 so you're not sure, Noel, No question? All right, when 169 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,320 you saw him, please explain in detail like or I 170 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,960 guess you already did. You said, when you saw him, 171 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:54,159 he just put his hands up Noel. Yeah. Question and 172 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,120 then you said he also asked for Noel his seapat 173 00:09:57,159 --> 00:10:00,360 machine to be plugged in question. And that is something 174 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,879 that he has every night, Noel, yes, question yep Did 175 00:10:04,879 --> 00:10:08,720 he seem did anything seem unusual with him? Noel? Know, 176 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,159 See there's exceptions being made for Epstein. Because it's Epstein. 177 00:10:12,399 --> 00:10:15,039 You're not supposed to have a seapat machine. It has 178 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,559 a long cord, so other inmates don't have a seapat 179 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:20,279 machine in the shoe like you're not supposed to have that. 180 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,480 Who authorized it, who gave it to him? I don't know? Question? Okay, 181 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,960 And that's kind of what I was asking earlier. And 182 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:31,360 this is much earlier about like where did Epstein? Why 183 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,279 was he treated differently than the others, Noel? I mean 184 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,840 she gets cut off? Were there are other instances that 185 00:10:36,879 --> 00:10:39,679 you can think of, like people said, pay him special 186 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,200 attention because he's different from the other inmates, Noel. Know, 187 00:10:43,399 --> 00:10:46,279 just a seapat machine. And one time he wanted to mattresses. 188 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:51,320 Question he wanted to mattresses? Noel, yes. Question was he 189 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,720 provided to mattresses? Noel? No question? So he just had 190 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:59,440 the one mattress Noel, uh huh. Question. So the only 191 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,240 thing you can think of is that, Noel, is that question? 192 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:07,480 Is that the CPAP? Noel? That's the CEPAP question? Okay? 193 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,720 Is that the one with like the mask that's attached 194 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,440 to your face? Noel. Yeah. Question. And there's actually like 195 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,159 a cord that goes with that, Noel. Yeah, the cord 196 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,279 has to be plugged in. Question. Now do you consider 197 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,919 that like a safety issue or anything like that? Noel. 198 00:11:24,039 --> 00:11:28,519 But see that's the thing. I don't authorize those things. Question, sure, Noel. 199 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,159 That's why I said when a person you see how 200 00:11:31,159 --> 00:11:34,480 the question was asked, when somebody comes back from suicide watch, like, 201 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,759 is there like something like special being said like, no, 202 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,120 because he's cleared, because if there was, like he would 203 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,440 be allowed to have that in his room. So once 204 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,480 he's cleared, you come back, you're okay. Question okay? Were 205 00:11:47,519 --> 00:11:50,039 there were there any other issues with any inmates on 206 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,519 August tenth from twelve am to six thirty three am, Noel, 207 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,120 no question. No, So there was no disturbances, Noel, no question. 208 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,840 Were there any in mates complaining about the lights being 209 00:12:01,919 --> 00:12:04,919 left on or anything like that? Do you recall, Noell, 210 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,440 not that I know of. Question? No. And do you 211 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,000 recall if any other inmates were on or came from 212 00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:14,000 suicide watch? Noell, no question. So you don't remember any 213 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:19,120 other inmates being handled differently than others Noel, no question. No, 214 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,679 or like special instructions with regard to this inmate or 215 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:27,120 that inmate? Noel, No, I don't know. Question. And you 216 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,480 don't remember inmates complaining about the lights? You said? Noel, 217 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,720 no question. How do the lights work? Do they stay 218 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:35,600 on on the range at all times? Twenty four to 219 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,879 seven in each tier? Noel, I don't know. But the 220 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,759 light is in the hallway for the room. Question. So 221 00:12:41,919 --> 00:12:45,799 for an interior room, what about the down the hallway 222 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,120 to each of the tier. Noel, Oh, yeah, it stays on. 223 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,039 Question were they on twenty four to seven? Noel? Yeah, 224 00:12:52,279 --> 00:12:55,519 question do they ever turn those lights off? Noel? No. 225 00:12:56,919 --> 00:12:58,879 All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and 226 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,120 in the next episode with the topic, we're going to 227 00:13:01,159 --> 00:13:04,080 pick up where we left off. All the information that 228 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,919 goes with this episode can be found in the description box.