WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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So 21 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:05.319 what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork 22 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:06.560 dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.359 enough out here. Look, I'm new to one going now 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:05.040 and I don't need anything. I don't want to go outside. 35 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:12.199 Just fit Hello, hit the fuddy out here? What quent 36 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.039 on out there? I thought of a bit of about 37 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.159 text foot nine. I don't know. Easy ann ount there. Yeah, 38 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:19.280 I'm working right, heady, all. 39 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:20.879 Right, folks, Someone will welcome my guest to the show. 40 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:24.080 It is justin from Texas. Welcome to the show man. 41 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:26.879 Hey, thank you, Brian. I appreciate it's an honor of 42 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:28.280 privilege to be here. Thank you. 43 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:31.000 I have been looking forward to this conversation. I love 44 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:33.639 fellow authors who write books on this subject. I've got 45 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.319 two books out on the subject myself. We'll certainly get 46 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.960 into your book here in a little bit, but let's 47 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:41.719 start with where I start with most people. What got 48 00:02:41.759 --> 00:02:44.240 you interested in the subject of bankfoot to begin with? 49 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:48.960 Okay, so I'm a skeptic by nature. I'm also an 50 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:53.360 author and researcher. I've written twelve books too that reused 51 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.039 at the collegiate levels. First and foremost, I'll tell everyone 52 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:59.240 I'm not necessarily a bigfoot guide. I'm not that bigfoot 53 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:03.360 guy that goes to conferences and shows off my footcast 54 00:03:03.439 --> 00:03:05.719 and all that stuff. I got into it because I 55 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.120 had an experience when I was haul hunting in Arkansas 56 00:03:08.199 --> 00:03:10.840 in two thousand and one. I'm a highly skeptical person. 57 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.680 Born in the show Me State, Missouri. My family's all 58 00:03:14.759 --> 00:03:18.000 law enforcement and military. I was always in survival, always 59 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:21.919 into hunting fishing when I was young, just because we 60 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:25.080 were four, we used it to supplement our table. But 61 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:27.159 in two thousand and one, I was doing a solo 62 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.639 boar hunt. I was deep in the Arkansas Wash Guitaals. 63 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:35.120 I was off grid, I was off trail and off 64 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.280 the map. I had set up my lean too because 65 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.479 I love to go primitive camping. I have a YouTube 66 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:44.280 channel where we do survival stuff. I have my lean 67 00:03:44.360 --> 00:03:47.639 too with cordage, pine and a tar. Really just enough 68 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:50.280 to keep the do off of me, bugs out of 69 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:53.840 my face. It's what I like to do. So no ten, 70 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:58.000 no backup, just me and whatever else was in the 71 00:03:58.039 --> 00:04:00.680 wood fits me. I'm gonna get a little bit of 72 00:04:00.680 --> 00:04:03.159 background because I think it ties into the story. So 73 00:04:04.039 --> 00:04:06.800 I was hog hunting. I had a six hour P 74 00:04:06.919 --> 00:04:09.400 two two nine that was one of my favorite pistols 75 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:13.000 at the time. It was forty Smith and Wesson, and 76 00:04:13.039 --> 00:04:16.279 I had some solid copper lee high defense rounds in it. 77 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.839 You may or may not know what. Bores can get 78 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:21.920 very aggressive if you shoot them they're close by, they 79 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:25.879 can charge, they can gore you with their tusks. I 80 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:29.439 had the solid copper rounds because let's design to penetrate deeply. 81 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:32.160 I had thirteen rounds in it, twelve and the MAGA 82 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:34.639 one of the pipe, and then in my shelter. My 83 00:04:34.759 --> 00:04:38.279 primary hunting rifle was a PTR ninety one, which it's 84 00:04:38.319 --> 00:04:41.240 an HKG three clone in three oh eight or seven 85 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.759 point sixty two by fifty one. That was what I 86 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:48.040 was hunting hogs with over the particular weekend. It holds 87 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:53.680 twenty rounds. Some laying there the fires died down. I'm 88 00:04:53.920 --> 00:04:57.639 half asleep, and I remember it was one forty seven am. 89 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:01.639 I distinctly remember that because I checked my watch at 90 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.399 the time. The night was real quiet. Then I heard 91 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.600 a wet, low huff just beyond the tree line. It 92 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:14.240 was loud enough that it startled me awake. Again. I've 93 00:05:14.319 --> 00:05:18.199 been in the woods and in jungles in Asia my 94 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:24.120 whole life. I've heard deer bucks will snort, had possums 95 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.480 that hiss at me, coyotes that walk under me. So 96 00:05:27.560 --> 00:05:32.959 I'm very familiar, especially in the lower part of America. 97 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.959 I haven't been to last yet, but I'm very familiar 98 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:38.839 with the animal noises. It was a different animal noise, 99 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:42.040 so it caught my attention, and I knew it wasn't 100 00:05:42.120 --> 00:05:45.560 grumble of a bear either. It was more like deliberate 101 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:48.399 and I set up. I put my boots on, I 102 00:05:48.439 --> 00:05:53.079 grabbed my flashlight, and of course I touched my side 103 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.879 and make sure my pistol is still there. And I 104 00:05:56.040 --> 00:06:01.199 stepped outside, and again it was really quiet that night. 105 00:06:01.240 --> 00:06:06.360 I remember really not much wind, no bugs, no sound. 106 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:09.319 You know how you can feel when something's staring at you. 107 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:12.839 You ever get that feeling where something is like really 108 00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:15.319 looking at you hard, You feel a little uneasiness, You 109 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:16.800 feel that the hair is on the back of your neck. 110 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:21.319 Stand up. I felt that, and I'm looking around. Then 111 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:25.920 the brush literally the term I used for it is exploded. 112 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:29.079 So this thing didn't ease its way out. It just 113 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.720 tore out of the forest like it had been waiting 114 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:37.480 for me to move. Branches were cracking, the undergrowth was flattened, 115 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:40.240 and now I recognize that I think it was basically 116 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:44.839 a bluff charge. It was tall, it was eight feet probably, 117 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.519 I would say at least and why shoulders like oiled 118 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:53.839 drones and arm that hung almost to its knees. The 119 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:57.759 hair wasn't really smooth like the deer's. It was matted 120 00:06:57.800 --> 00:07:02.439 and thick, wet, and faces clumped with dirt. God knows 121 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.920 what else. Its face wasn't really a face of an ape, 122 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:08.959 wasn't a face of a man. To me, it looked 123 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:14.000 like something in between, something primate that maybe was mixed 124 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:19.920 with Neanderthal. Had a flat, broad nose, heavy brow. I 125 00:07:19.959 --> 00:07:23.319 saw it. I frunz for just a split second, and 126 00:07:23.360 --> 00:07:27.720 then my body reacted. I dove into the brush by 127 00:07:27.800 --> 00:07:34.040 my little camp there, scrambling my elbows belly into the brush. 128 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:36.800 I remember the worms were ripping my arms. I didn't 129 00:07:36.839 --> 00:07:41.639 really care. I was scared from this thing, obviously. I 130 00:07:41.759 --> 00:07:44.879 just laid there and watched. And then it stepped into 131 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.800 the camp, closer to the fire bed. I remember it 132 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.000 was breathing like a boy. It was breathing heavy. I 133 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.839 could see its chest moving. Then it snipped the air, 134 00:07:55.040 --> 00:07:59.720 tilted its head back. I've told other interviewers it looked 135 00:07:59.720 --> 00:08:03.439 like it could separate every molecule from the air. It 136 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:07.639 was searching, sensing, and then it turned its head towards me. 137 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:10.800 Of course, it didn't have really much of the neck. 138 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:14.439 It turned its upper body with it, and I saw 139 00:08:14.480 --> 00:08:18.199 its eyes, and that was when I recognize. And I 140 00:08:18.240 --> 00:08:20.560 know a lot of people that see these creatures say 141 00:08:20.560 --> 00:08:22.959 that their eyes were glowing. I did not notice that. 142 00:08:23.920 --> 00:08:26.319 I just noticed that its eyes didn't look like a 143 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.680 typical animal's eyes. They looked cold and focused and intelligent, 144 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.799 something that's more aware, something thinking. When it saw me, 145 00:08:36.480 --> 00:08:40.600 that's when Iran, I'm a big guy, I'm six feet tall, 146 00:08:40.639 --> 00:08:44.840 two hundred and seventy five pounds. It screamed, and the 147 00:08:44.919 --> 00:08:48.639 stream was like something I haven't ever heard before. Wasn't 148 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:53.759 anything I've ever heard in the woods before. It was low, troaty, 149 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.120 and violent. I could feel it in my chest, vibrating 150 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:03.559 my body. I learned like about infrasound. Maybe it was 151 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:06.480 that I had just never experienced it before. I know 152 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:09.799 tigers do it and elephants can do it. I believe 153 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:13.840 that this thing can do it too. When it it streamed, 154 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:18.159 my blood rain and cold, it felt like terror erupted 155 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:21.639 from me. I had cold water splash through me, and 156 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.120 I just kept running, tearing through the brush like a 157 00:09:25.120 --> 00:09:30.240 wild day, bleeding and tripping, not caring, just moving, just fleet. 158 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:33.720 I had a pistol on my side, but the thing 159 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.960 was so big. I thought, Man, if I shoot that 160 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:40.960 thing with my pistol, am I gonna stop at her? 161 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:43.879 Is It's still gonna have the energy and strength to 162 00:09:44.039 --> 00:09:47.200 kill me. That wasn't an option. It wasn't an option 163 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.519 for me to try to run or move past it, 164 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.639 to get to my lean, to get my rifle. I 165 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.240 didn't think about any of that, really, I just thought 166 00:09:55.240 --> 00:09:59.639 about escaping so I'm running. I didn't really think it 167 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:02.679 was me because I couldn't hear it chasing me, but 168 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:04.399 I knew it could have chased me and caught me. 169 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:08.120 So by dawn I collapsed and I was sitting in 170 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.679 a dry creek bed. I gotten against the wall of 171 00:10:11.759 --> 00:10:15.039 the creek bed, basically trying to hide there and catch 172 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:17.279 my breath and everything. Then when the sun came up, 173 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:22.639 I went back in cautiously slowly, and I grabbed my 174 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:26.039 rifle and packed up everything else that I could, and 175 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.039 I loved. I remember going back into that camp. There 176 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:34.480 was a horrible smell there rot, wet fur, old blood. 177 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:38.440 It smelled like dirty and mixed with garbage. I've seen 178 00:10:38.840 --> 00:10:41.840 dead bodies before. It was worse than the smell of 179 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.240 a dead body, at least for me. The smell was 180 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:49.480 in that area, hanging in the air, stuck on my gear, 181 00:10:49.639 --> 00:10:53.639 my backpack and everything. That was my last time that 182 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:58.399 I went into the washitalls. I never went back hunting, 183 00:10:58.480 --> 00:11:01.840 bore or anything again. In that air, I knew it 184 00:11:01.919 --> 00:11:05.519 saw me, I knew it smelled me, and I knew 185 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:09.519 it let me go again. I'm pretty skeptical in general, 186 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:15.120 but I saw something that night, and it hasn't left me. 187 00:11:16.200 --> 00:11:21.200 Since some people laugh about Bigfoot. They treated like a 188 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:23.480 meme where they make a joke about it. There's a 189 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:26.360 lot of funny, silly movies out about it here in 190 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:30.240 Henderson's or whatever. But what I saw that night wasn't 191 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.679 a joke. It was something that I know could have 192 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:36.120 ribbed me apart if it wanted to. 193 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:38.840 Is that the only experience you've had with them? 194 00:11:38.919 --> 00:11:42.960 No, I've done excursions in lots of different places Missouri, 195 00:11:43.080 --> 00:11:47.440 Mark Twain National Forest to Shawnee National Forest in Illinois, 196 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:51.720 because I traveled for my work. I've been in Washington. 197 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:55.000 I've been several places, and I've done gifting rocks, and 198 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:58.840 I've left jars up in trees where you would need 199 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:01.840 to unscrew the jar. I've left food and peanut butter 200 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:05.000 in those, and I've seen the pinking type of thing. 201 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:08.159 But the only time that I was ever really a 202 00:12:08.279 --> 00:12:12.440 direct kind of confrontation was this time. That was enough 203 00:12:12.720 --> 00:12:17.159 for me to realize, Hey, this isn't phony belonging. There's 204 00:12:17.200 --> 00:12:19.799 something out there for sure. I know we can talk 205 00:12:19.799 --> 00:12:22.440 about the book later, but I've gotten a bad review 206 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:27.360 because all of my skepticism cynicism, all of that stuff 207 00:12:27.399 --> 00:12:29.879 I tried to put into the book. I think this 208 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:33.320 particular gentleman had read the first chapter and decided to 209 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.039 leave me a one star review, and then he said, 210 00:12:35.039 --> 00:12:37.440 I can't read anymore because the first chapter I say 211 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:40.679 something like people that believe in big Twitter idiots, because 212 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:43.279 that was my opinion on it before all this, before 213 00:12:43.320 --> 00:12:45.919 I started researching it. So that's what I do if 214 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:49.399 I get passionate about a topic, because I enjoy writing, 215 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:52.519 number research, or I even research for big Fortune one 216 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.480 hundred companies. When I start to get passionate about something, 217 00:12:56.559 --> 00:12:58.639 that's what I do. I have been to it. So 218 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.679 since two thousand and one dove into the subject of 219 00:13:03.080 --> 00:13:06.039 big Foot in Sasquatch, let's talk a little. 220 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:10.159 Bit about prior to your experience two thousand and one. 221 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:13.919 We're talking twenty four years ago at this point, where 222 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:17.279 were you on the subject before you had this experience 223 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:20.120 where you saw this creature? Was it even on your radar? 224 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:22.639 Was it something that you scoffed at? Had you seen 225 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.080 the Patterson Gimlin film. 226 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.919 Yes, I had seen all of that. I love all 227 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.279 those crazy duck and dramas and series I loved watching 228 00:13:31.320 --> 00:13:33.759 all that stuff. But I was a strong skeptic. I 229 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:39.000 had uncles that would tell me things. One uncle in particular, 230 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:44.200 the wild Guy. He was a gold prospector. He was 231 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.039 a ranger, and he would come around maybe once every 232 00:13:47.080 --> 00:13:49.840 six months and tell us all crazy stories. He was 233 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:53.120 definitely a believer. I think my dad was a believer, 234 00:13:53.240 --> 00:13:56.480 but I was a diehard skeptic. I scoffed and laughed 235 00:13:56.600 --> 00:13:59.399 at people met your mind, playing tricks on you. You're 236 00:13:59.480 --> 00:14:01.480 just not come for boy in the woods. The woods 237 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:05.360 can be spooky, it's foreign for modern Humlans. I was 238 00:14:05.440 --> 00:14:09.039 more along those lines, I think, than a believer. 239 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:13.399 It's interesting when you were telling your encounter story before 240 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.279 you saw this thing. I had something very similar happened 241 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:18.960 to me when I was twelve in the North Georgia Mountains. 242 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:23.440 Sounded very much like a huffing, growling sound moving around 243 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:26.120 in the underbrush, and then what sounded like a bluff charge. 244 00:14:26.120 --> 00:14:28.600 But I never got to see this thing. It never 245 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:31.480 would step out where I could see it, probably fortunately 246 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:33.279 for me, because I don't know that I could have 247 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.840 handled that. I didn't have the intestinal fortitude at twelve 248 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:38.120 years old. I don't think to handle that it would 249 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:39.960 have been tough for me. It scarred me for a 250 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:41.799 long time. It kept me out of the woods for 251 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:44.440 probably a year or more. When I was a kid 252 00:14:44.519 --> 00:14:47.080 and I loved the woods. It was my escape. So 253 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:48.639 it kept me out of the woods and I didn't 254 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:50.879 even see it. So that tends to do one of 255 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:52.960 two things for people. When you have an encounter where 256 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:56.000 you see these things, particularly as close as you were 257 00:14:57.039 --> 00:14:59.399 in that kind of situation, it either sends you down 258 00:14:59.440 --> 00:15:01.960 the road of oh shit, I'm done with that. I 259 00:15:01.960 --> 00:15:03.559 don't want to have anything to do with that, or 260 00:15:03.559 --> 00:15:06.320 you're going to start looking into it and researching it. 261 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:09.360 What did that look like for you after your encounter 262 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:12.240 with this thing? Did that start for you immediately? Did 263 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:14.720 you go down the rabbit hole and start looking into stories? 264 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.360 How did you approach the research? And we can move 265 00:15:17.399 --> 00:15:20.480 on into obviously you went on to write the book. Sure, 266 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:24.360 what was that process like for you? And stay tuned 267 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:26.559 for more Sasquatch out to see We'll be right back. 268 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:28.320 After these messages. 269 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:36.000 I think I was in a state of somewhat disbelief. 270 00:15:36.159 --> 00:15:41.000 My raps frum mind was trying to rationalize every which 271 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:43.519 way that I could, and I haven't shared these stories 272 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:48.080 really before with anyone to tell this book. I was 273 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:53.360 just looking into everything and looking into windygos and Native 274 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:57.919 American of folklore legends and reading books and watching every 275 00:15:58.240 --> 00:16:02.039 movie and show that I could about. This just came 276 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:06.080 to the realization obviously it was real. That was really 277 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:09.679 it for me. At the time, You're thinking, did I 278 00:16:09.799 --> 00:16:12.919 really see that? Did that really happen? Could that have 279 00:16:12.960 --> 00:16:16.679 been a bear? Was it someone playing a prank on me? Again? 280 00:16:16.879 --> 00:16:21.080 I beer hunted, a boar, hunted, a turkey, hunted all 281 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:24.399 my life. I've been in and around the woods, just 282 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:28.159 like you. It's relaxing for me. I've slept in trees before. 283 00:16:29.039 --> 00:16:32.399 I'm very comfortable there and comfortable with what I'd run into. 284 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.480 The experience was not like that. So then I had 285 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:39.639 to come to the realization, yes it happened, it's real. 286 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:42.440 Because I have a very curious mind. And then I 287 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.919 got into what the heck was that I knew what 288 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:50.279 I thought it was based on shows and books talking 289 00:16:50.279 --> 00:16:53.519 to people. That's when I really got into the research 290 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:57.240 aspect of it to start to study it. But if 291 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:01.600 you're like me, something strange happened, you really rack your 292 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:05.799 brain to try to disprove it to yourself. No, it 293 00:17:05.920 --> 00:17:08.680 had to be something else because they don't exist. 294 00:17:09.160 --> 00:17:12.279 I am literally right there with you. Last summer out 295 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:16.039 filming a documentary out in the Pacific Northwest and Washington State. 296 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:18.440 We were in the area. I don't know if you're 297 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:23.079 familiar with the Olympic Project and the Olympic Project nest site. 298 00:17:23.119 --> 00:17:25.920 We set up in their home base as base camp 299 00:17:25.960 --> 00:17:27.599 for us while we were in this area, and we 300 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:29.519 went out and I had three sidings of these things 301 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.480 in two days. I'm still wrapping my brain around and 302 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.440 trying to rationalize what I saw. One of them was 303 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:38.279 a daylight siding one of these things peaking around a tree, 304 00:17:38.640 --> 00:17:41.039 and I was within ten feet of one of them 305 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.960 at one point during a night hike. So I'm still 306 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.519 trying to rationalize that. I think one of the things 307 00:17:46.519 --> 00:17:49.640 that's really hampered me is I've also been under an 308 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:53.599 NDA because of this project. The documentary is still not out, 309 00:17:53.599 --> 00:17:56.759 but we can at least now talk about our experiences, 310 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:58.880 and we've done that on multiple shows. On my show. 311 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:01.680 I've been guessed on another podcases and shared it. But 312 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:03.880 I'm still wrapping my brain around it. And I've done 313 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.039 the same thing that you've done is try to rationalize. 314 00:18:07.039 --> 00:18:09.480 I tried to Okham's razor my way out of having 315 00:18:09.519 --> 00:18:12.200 these three encounters that I had in two days. Maybe 316 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:14.400 it was a squirrel going around a tree that looked 317 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:17.559 like this thing peeking around from seventy yards away, and 318 00:18:17.599 --> 00:18:20.920 maybe it was something else, But there's no denying being 319 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:23.519 ten feet away from this thing. There's only one thing 320 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:25.880 it could be. So I've accepted that, but it's still 321 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.680 very difficult for me, this weird dichotomy, because I am 322 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:34.400 so skeptical of just about everything when it comes to bigfoot. 323 00:18:34.759 --> 00:18:37.880 People say, how can you have these encounters and still 324 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:41.119 be so skeptical. I don't know. That's just how I'm wired. 325 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:43.839 I think you have to be skeptical when it comes 326 00:18:43.839 --> 00:18:46.359 to this stuff, because if you don't, you buy every 327 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:49.960 piece of Paridulia, every red circle squatch, there is every 328 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:52.799 piece of audio that somebody's pulled off the Internet and 329 00:18:53.200 --> 00:18:57.799 dubbed over a video. So I'm very skeptical in that 330 00:18:58.039 --> 00:19:01.039 sense of it. I'm no longer skeptical hundred percent know 331 00:19:01.119 --> 00:19:03.599 where that these things are real, because I've seen them. 332 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:06.240 But you do beat yourself up, and I think that 333 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:09.359 goes with the territory. There's a lot of people. I'm 334 00:19:09.519 --> 00:19:13.200 six hundred plus episodes into this podcast, I've heard a 335 00:19:13.240 --> 00:19:16.839 lot of encounter stories. Are they all true? Probably not. 336 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:19.559 Let's just be honest. We got to be intellectually honest 337 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:21.839 about this. People like to make up things, they like 338 00:19:21.920 --> 00:19:25.759 to be a part of the crowd. But by and large, 339 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:28.000 the majority of these stories I think that we here 340 00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:31.079 are true, and I think these people that have legitimate 341 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:34.480 encounters beat themselves up over it and try to rationalize 342 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:37.240 it away, and it just doesn't work. It drives a 343 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:40.279 lot of people crazy in a lot of ways. Anybody 344 00:19:40.319 --> 00:19:43.039 who's had an encounter that's face to face with one 345 00:19:43.079 --> 00:19:46.960 of these things handles it differently. You chose to go 346 00:19:47.079 --> 00:19:49.880 into and write a book, which I eventually did a 347 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:52.160 couple of years ago myself. I published my first book 348 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:54.759 two years ago and the latest one came out just 349 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:58.599 this year. The first one was a fact based book. 350 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:01.319 It was nonfiction. It was a out my story as 351 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:03.440 a kid. It goes into a lot of the science 352 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.000 and the history of these things. Then the other one 353 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:08.839 was a fictional life story that I did last year. 354 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:13.400 What was the process like for you writing the book, 355 00:20:13.799 --> 00:20:16.039 How did you want to approach it? Did it change 356 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.359 when you got into the process. Let's talk about some 357 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:20.200 of the things that you cover in the book and 358 00:20:20.240 --> 00:20:23.720 how that skepticism marries in with the fact that you've 359 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:25.559 had an encounter with these things and you know that 360 00:20:25.599 --> 00:20:26.519 they exist. 361 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.319 So in the book, I don't try to lead anyone 362 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:34.400 to any specific conclusions. The book isn't to make people 363 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:37.920 think like I do or believe in what I believe. 364 00:20:38.319 --> 00:20:42.880 It's more of this is a scientific research method. We 365 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:48.240 should approach everything with a curious and scientific, fact based approach. 366 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:51.480 I have a lot of folklore in there. I've met 367 00:20:51.559 --> 00:20:55.839 with different people, including some tribal elders. I've gotten their 368 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.720 input on that, a lot of eyewitness interviews and testimonies. 369 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:04.880 I also then share the skeptical point of view for 370 00:21:05.039 --> 00:21:09.319 those interviews. So my goal with the book was to 371 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:13.279 finally tell this story and tell about everything that I've 372 00:21:13.359 --> 00:21:16.720 researched about this topic, and also to make people think 373 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:21.640 and to start the discussion. Because we can't continue to 374 00:21:21.799 --> 00:21:24.920 just turn a blind eye to these things. I think 375 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:28.039 we need to find out more about them. There's a 376 00:21:28.039 --> 00:21:30.480 lot of things in our world I believe that we 377 00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:33.680 don't know about, we still don't know about when even 378 00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.400 hard science has issues go back one hundred years. The 379 00:21:37.519 --> 00:21:39.759 science that we knew of back then, some of that 380 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:46.240 has been disproven today. So even science doesn't maintain truths 381 00:21:46.640 --> 00:21:50.839 throughout its entire existence. That's why I called the book 382 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:54.640 Everything is a Lie and Everything is True the Bigfoot paradox, 383 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:58.160 because depending on your perspective, that's certainly true. But I 384 00:21:58.200 --> 00:22:02.640 think when you have folklore, meth spoken word traditions, and 385 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:08.039 cave paintings that is multi generational, right hundreds and arguably 386 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:13.279 thousands of years, that continues to survive and continues to 387 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:16.680 pop its head up, I don't think you can ignore that. 388 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:23.640 You can't ignore that that survives across tribal civilizations, across governments, 389 00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:27.799 across countries and continents. There's also a story of a 390 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:31.319 hunt I did in the book in the Philippines for 391 00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:36.079 the Omenango, which is their version of Bigfoot. I was 392 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.559 going to the Philippines anyway, so I wanted to look 393 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:40.440 for it there as well. I can tell you more 394 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:43.119 about that if you had won. That wasn't the Olmanogo. 395 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:48.079 I had a violent encounter with another supposedly mythical being 396 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:51.640 in the Philippines. I was going to the Philippines to 397 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.839 meet a girlfriend that I had met online. I had 398 00:22:54.839 --> 00:22:56.279 talked to her for a while. I was going to 399 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:58.279 spend some time with her. I was going to spend 400 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:01.160 about six weeks there. So while I was there, I 401 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:05.759